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your support. So our sheriff. He wrote the state a letter,

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a poorly written one, but a letter was written and

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sent to the state to Deputy Secretary William L. Lassiter

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from the desk of Sheriff Gary not my fault McFadden.

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I mean, he didn't use the nickname, but we all

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know the nickname. So here's from the Charlotte Observer story.

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Meckelberg County Sheriff Gary not my fault McFadden asked the

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state's Department of Public Safety to meet with him in

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a public forum to discuss how they can quote collectively

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move towards reopening the county's former juvenile detention facility known

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as Jail North. McFadden. He sent them a letter to

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DPS Deputy Secretary William Lassiter. This was sent on Halloween. Woo.

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The Charlotte Observer had just reported that Lassiter and we

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covered this with the Charlotte Observer story. I brought that

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to you, like what two weeks ago when the Observer

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did the story that Lassiter said that he was hoping

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that Jail North would reopen one day. In mostly private conversations,

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many in the criminal justice system have been trying to

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find a way to reopen it for years. So there

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are a lot of as I call them Weasley words

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in that sentence. That's not a I'm not slag in

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the reporter Ryan Orley on this, but like this is

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the way reporters write stuff that it just it. They

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are their shorthand. For like I heard somebody say this

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thing or this is a rumor. Like in mostly private conversations,

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many in the criminal justice system like, well, how many

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a lot a critical mass? No, like is it just

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two people? Is that many? How many is many? You know,

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it's just it's it's vague, it's obtuse. So anyway, when

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I was a reporter, I just steer it away from

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that sort of thing. It's it's like some people say, well,

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who are some people, right, people that don't want to

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go on the record and just trying to, you know,

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stir the pot. So and I'm not saying that that's

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happening here. That's just always the These are always the

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questions I have because I'm always trying to discern motive

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from people why they're talking to the media about a

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particular story while refusing to give their name, right, So

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I have to know, like, what is their incentive in

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discussing this stuff. Are they motivated by just like an

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attempt to you know, blow the whistle on something, or

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are they motivated by some other thing? What's their incentive?

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Anyway back to the story. Others, including a collection of

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advocacy groups known as Children's Alliance, as well as District

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Attorney Spencer Merriweather, also believe something important was lost when

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McFadden closed the facility in twenty twenty two. So let

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me go to the letter I shall give you. Oh,

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let me see here, because I have two sound bites

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of not my fault McFadden because remember a week ago,

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four days ago, actually he appeared on Breaking with Brett

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Jensen here on WBT at six o'clock. He was in

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studio for the whole hour, and I pulled these soundbites,

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but I never got to them because I just ran

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my mouth on all sorts of other things that he

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had said, so I never got to the jail North quotes.

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So I do have two sound bites from his interview

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with Brett. You know, let me do the letter first.

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Let's do the letter, Dear Billy, William L. Lasseter. But

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he put Billy in parentheses. I don't know why you

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would do that, Like, if you're going to use the

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informal Billy, if that's what you know him as, just

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say Billy, don't put it in parentheses, and then his

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full name. But whatever, it doesn't matter. I know I

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may be a little overly critic. There will be other

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opportunities for me throughout this letter. He begins, thusly, I

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am writing to request a public forum to address the

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ongoing issues and confusion surrounding the possibility reopening of the

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Mecklenberg County Juvenile Detention Center. Okay, so you missed a word.

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There should have been the possibility of reopening. So there's

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your first problem. The recent back and forth conversations, as

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all conversations are back and forth. Otherwise it's just a monologue.

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But maybe I'm being too picky there. The recent back

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and forth conversations and conflicting media reports have created a

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misleading picture of why this facility remains closed. This has

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caused concern among community members, families, stakeholder myself. Dude, would

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you say this has caused concern among myself? Would you

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say myself? You would not. It's just me and me.

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It's caused confusion for me anyway. And also, stakeholders should

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be plural, but mainly the staff here at the Mecklenburg

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County Sheriff Office that deserve a transparent and fact based

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conversation that may result in a final decision, at least

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for the moment. It is he God one, two, three,

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four typos in one sentence. And I'm not even getting

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into the lack of commas here. Okay, it's just like

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run on sentence after run on sentence. I don't know

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who's writing this letter, but good lord, it should be

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in a final decision. At least there should be a

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t It's not at least that's like renting, you know.

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This forum should provide the public and all stakeholders with

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clarity on Colan and then he has a list of

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bullet points. The true reasons behind the facilities closure and

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the barriers we face to reopening. The staffing shortages and

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recruitment challenges currently impacting operations. The specific resource and financial

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needs necessary to reopen safely and effectively. The role of

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Mecklenberg County in potential financial or operational support. A clear

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plan and timeline to move forward. Okay, So those were

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the bullet points. There were five of them. So the

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Forum should provide the public and all stakeholders with clarity

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on those five things. It goes on to say the

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discussion would be limited to two hours to allow for

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a focused and productive conversation. You put it on a clock.

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That's how you stay focused, right, Okay. Our goal is

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simple to bring clarity. It should be simply let me

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make a note there. Our goal is simply to bring clarity, accountability,

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and shared understanding to this issue so that we can

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collectively move toward reopening the facility responsibly. My office is

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prepared to assist with coordination and logistics if all parties

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are willing to provide the funding and true resources that

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it would take to reopen this facility. I also believe

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that we need to discuss all options openly, but most

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of all, we must clarify to the public, stakeholders and critics,

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the housing of juveniles not capitalized is a DJJ state

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mandated issue and not a mandate nor statutorily mandated requirement

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for the sheriff's office. A loss should be Also, the

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ball is not in my court because the court belongs

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to DJJ, but our team willing to help bring the

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win to our juveniles should not be capitalized, and mainly

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those here in Mecklinberg County. He wants a show trial,

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That's what he wants. He wants to deflect the blame

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away from him and onto the state. Because again, his

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name not my fault. McFadden tells you all you need

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to know about this issue. This is not his fault.

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None of this is his fault. The Meckliberg County Sheriff

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is willing to he is referring to himself in the

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third person. The Mecklinberg County Sheriff is willing to assist,

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but not carry the full burden alone by recruiting, hiring,

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and training the necessary staff to reopen the juvenile detention center.

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Please let me know your availability for these proposed dates

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at your earliest convenience, and he's wanting the forum to

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take place either this week or next week, so a

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public forum. By law, according to the Charlotte Observer, juvenile

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jails are a state responsibility, but Lasseter has argued the

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Mecklinberg County benefited from Jail North. It's now been sitting

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empty basically since November twenty twenty two. He said he

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has tried to buy it, lease it, or get McFadden

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to reopen it in some capacity, but nothing has budged

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the sheriff. See the sheriff is focusing only on the

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last of those three options. McFadden keeps pointing to like, Oh,

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I you know, I'll do it, but you know I

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got to have all of the money to do it.

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You got to give me the true resources instead of

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the fake resource. I need the true resources, and I

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need all the funding, and I need all the support.

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What are you going to do for me? What are

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you going to give to me? That's all he's focused

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on in all of this because, according to Lasseter, and

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this was in the Charlotte Observer story from like two

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weeks ago, the state has offered to buy it, so

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you don't like, just just sell it. Then if you

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don't want to run it, you don't want to do it,

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just sell it to the state. You want to let

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the state operate out of it and staff up, then

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let them lease it and let them worry about staffing it.

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But he cites the staffing issues like, well, you know,

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the state's going to have a problem staffing it just

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like we do. But that's their responsibility. Then that's on them.

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as well. Let me jump over to the WBT text

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line driven by Liberty Buick GMC. This is from John. Yes,

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doesn't the property like Jail North fall under the control

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of the county not just the sheriff. I thought the

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county commissioners have final say over the use of the property. Well, yes,

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that was one of the reasons why they closed. It

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was because they had such staffing shortages and at the

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Central Jail, so they closed Jail North to move all

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those people to the Central jail during COVID. That was

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the recommendation from Dina Diorio, then county manager. So yes,

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I would think the county commissioners have a role to play.

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Maybe they're one of the stakeholders not mentioned specifically in

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the poorly written letter to the state by the sheriff.

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By the way, yeah, this is from Corey, who says

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I'm not a big I'm not big on AI writing

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reports for people, but clearly this McFadden letter is an

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example of where it would have been appropriate. Yes, I

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think so. So, like, what are the possibilities on this

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poorly written letter? He wrote it, right, that's number one.

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He could have written it. Number two, somebody else could

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have written it. But then that would mean like you

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would have you know, did he then proofread it or not?

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There's a secondary decision there, So did somebody else write it?

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If so, did he proofread this? That's almost worse than

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if he did not proofread it, although that's bad too,

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which is also bad if he wrote it, or maybe

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third option, he dictated it to somebody else, in which case,

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then did he proofread it afterwards? Did they proofread it?

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Did anybody proofread it? Or no? Either way, like none

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of these five options, well, the three options and then

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the secondary options that flow from those two, you get one, two, three, four, five, six,

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seven different options. None of them are good. I mean,

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mentioned I've been sitting on a couple of sound bites

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from Sheriff Gary not my fault McFadden. He appeared on

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Breaking with Brett Jensen on I think the seventh, the

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sixth or the seventh, so like five for four or

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five days ago, and you can go get that at

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the website, and he did. They talked a little bit

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about a lot of things, but they talked about the

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Jail North, the juvenile detention center that has been closed down.

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So here is here's the first thing that McFadden had

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to say about that.

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Speaker 2: Well, everyone, let me as they say a level set.

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That's a new word, so let me not everyone believes

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that it is the Mecklenburg County sheriff responsibility for the

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juvenile detention center to be reopened.

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Speaker 1: Okay, no, we don't actually not everybody believes that. I know,

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that's a convenient framing for you because it allows you

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to make this argument that it is not your fault. Right,

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So I know that's convenient framing. But not everybody believes

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that the state can play a role. And that's why

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the Observer did this story when the state said, hey,

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can we buy the facility from you? But McFadden is

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saying no.

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Speaker 2: Apparently, we are not statutorily mandated to run the detention center,

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which means that it is up to the Department of

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Juvenile Justice to find bed space for these jiles.

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Speaker 1: We just so happened to agree with them.

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Speaker 2: We just so happened wanted to work with them back

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in twenty nineteen, and we were happy to take on

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that responsibility. Now let me fast forward quickly. We are

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still happy to take on that responsibility. But you have

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to bring more to the table than you're bringing. And

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so why the Juvenile Detention Center is closed. Well back

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when everyone was resigning from their job with the Great Resignation?

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Speaker 1: Was that when you got elected? Is that what happened?

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It was the Great Resignation? Or was that after that

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was a response to the Black Lives Matter fiery but

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mostly peaceful riots. Is that what happened when everybody started quiting,

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was it COVID? Is that everything was COVID right again,

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all of these things not his fault. The great resignation,

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not Gary's fault. He had nothing to do with any

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of this.

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Speaker 2: The state decided to begin to target us on expections,

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not expections, inspections is what he meant to say there,

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I think.

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Speaker 1: Again, not his fault. It's the state that was targeting

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him under Roy Cooper, under a Democrat governor, Democrat Department

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of Public Safety, and the state. And he's been claiming

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this for years that he was unfairly targeted for inspections,

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not that it had anything to do with like all

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of the people that were dying in the jail, which

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he doesn't like people saying, oh, death at the jail.

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He didn't like people saying that either, because we're supposed

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to wait for the autopsy to come out before we

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can report that somebody died at the jail. According to him,

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that's what he That's what he said. That's what he

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told Brett. I played that clip the other day. The

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state wasn't targeting you for inspections because they don't like you.

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The state is required to inspect your facilities, particularly when

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somebody dies in your custody, and when there are complaints

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or reports filed about the way you are supervising.

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Speaker 2: The jail called several people in Raleigh who had no

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answer for me, and I said, it is unusual in

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the inspections that we're getting at this particular time. And

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so when they send these expections to Raleigh about Jail Central,

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let me get this straight about Jail Central or Downtown,

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they always shift that to the counter commissioners and you know,

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the public officials, and then they do a knee jerk

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reaction of sure, if you've got to do something, you've

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got to do something. And so this goes on for

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quite some time, and then it got down to you

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must do something. So the only way that we could

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increase the staffing at Jail Central Detention Center Central is

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to close the juvenile Detention Center. And when we did that,

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that's when everything started. But that's not when everything started.

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You had people dying at the Jail Central and the

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state was saying, you don't have enough personnel for adequate monitoring, right,

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and so then they're like, okay, well, we got to

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get more people in here, but nobody wanted to go

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work for not my fault, macfadden apparently, no, no, no,

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it's the great resignation. So nobody wanted to work there,

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and so the county manager recommended the closure, and he

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recommended the closure of.

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Speaker 1: The juvenile jail facility. Okay, I understand that argument. That

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does not address you turning down the state's offer to

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buy the facility, though I'd love to get an answer

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on that.

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Speaker 2: State of North Carolina, the Apartment of Juvenile Justice is

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responsible and is mandated to find bedspace throughout the state

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for the juveniles.

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Speaker 1: And this is a long conversation.

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Speaker 2: So as we know that there were many backdoor conversation,

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back room conversation and discussion, we decided to ask them

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which we're going to still find a date to have

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a public hearing, and we put everything out on the

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table so we won't look like the bad guys.

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Speaker 1: There it is, so we won't look like the bad guys.

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So he's got an excuse for everything. Well, I hope

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somebody at this forum or hearing or whatever the hell

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he wants to call it, I hope somebody asks him

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and makes him address it. Why not just sell the building.

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Then you don't even have to worry about the maintenance

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and the upkeep and all of that. No capital replacement

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costs nothing. Just sell the state the building and then

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let them run a juvenile jail facility. Why not just

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do that? Nothing is his fault. We don't want to

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be the bad guy, right, so we are not made

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out to be the bad guys. All right, if you're

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Speaker 3: Yesterday right the way.

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Speaker 1: Sheriff Gary now my fault. McFadden was on with Brett

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Jensen last week. They were talking about Jail North, the

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juvenile jail that was closed down. Here is the question

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about why not just let the state lease the facility

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or buy it? And here's why. I mean they can't

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fulfill the BDS.

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Speaker 2: I mean they can't fulfill the employment Why because Cobaris

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County Detention Center has a thirty to forty percent vacancy rate,

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So they can't even fill the vacancy rate in their

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current buildings, So why should I give them a building

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that we could We are definitely still using and we're

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definitely occupying it.

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Speaker 1: That you can't feel that is an inaccurate statement. It's

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not an inaccurate statement. It's not your problem. It's not

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your problem. If the state wants to buy it and

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they say they can try to staff it up, then

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let them do. So what's the issue here. It's like

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it's like he doesn't want to incarcerrate juveniles. That's it.

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It's almost as if, right, why not just sell the building?

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They can't.

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Speaker 2: They can say they rinted, but can they fill the

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employment No? Can they fill it with detentionis offices?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 2: If you could, why do you have thirty to forty

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percent vacancy rate at a current facility? So what I

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said about that, close that facility and allow me to

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hire everyone from that facility. We won't have to vet

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them out.

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Speaker 1: We don't have.

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Speaker 2: I mean, sure we have to look at them, but

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we will bring all of them over. So that will

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save millions.

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Speaker 1: And I've heard a lot. I've never heard a good

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thing about the situation up in Cabar's counting.

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Speaker 2: There is no good situation about Cabaras County if you

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want to be accurate about it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I've never heard a good thing about that.

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Speaker 2: So we and I want to talk about this, and

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this is why we will have public hearings forums to

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talk about it, because we're going to lay everything out

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on the table. Surely have some people who believe that

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they can fix it. Sure they can throw around some numbers.

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Sure that somebody say, well, I'm going to open it,

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but do you know what it takes to open it.

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We know what it takes to open it, we know

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what to how to run it.

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Speaker 1: There you go. He wants control. I want to control this.

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I'm trying to control all of this stuff and he

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doesn't want to give it up. I'm going to make

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the decision. I think you can't handle it. And by

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the way, this idea, close Cabaris and move everybody down.

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Cabaris is bigger. Caberis has like fifty percent more beds

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than jail North does. That's why his idea, as the

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state called it, is infeasible, or as I call it, stupid.

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That's a dumb idea. Why would you reduce the number

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of total beds. Meanwhile, he wants he wants all of

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those state employees to be transferred under his control, which

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then of course creates like more problems because of the

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way he runs his office. With a toxic work environment,

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You're going to have a bunch of people start quitting

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there too. This is just it. It boggles the mind,

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it really does. Let's see here, I thought, John said,

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why isn't the county? Why is sorry? Why isn't it

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the county manager's decision or the county commissioner's decision to

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sell the building? I've never heard of a sheriff having

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decision making powers over that kind of a disposal of county property.

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The county provides the building to the sheriff to run

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the jail as he sees fit, but it's up to

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the county to provide the building. Likewise, it seems if

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a building is sitting empty, then the county should be

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able to decide what to do with it and not

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the sheriff. That would be correct. So where's the county commissioners?

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