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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Bedtime Astronomy. Explore the wonders of the cosmos

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<v Speaker 1>with our soothing Bedtime Astronomie podcast. Each episode offers a

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<v Speaker 1>gentle journey through the stars, planets, and beyond, perfect for

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<v Speaker 1>unwinding after a long day. Let's travel through the mysteries

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<v Speaker 1>of the universe as you drift off into a peaceful slumber.

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<v Speaker 1>Under the night sky.

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<v Speaker 2>I want you to step outside with me for a second,

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<v Speaker 2>just in your mind. Okay, there, picture the night sky.

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<v Speaker 2>It's you know, it's clear, the air is cold, it's

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<v Speaker 2>incredibly dark, right, and you are looking up at the

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<v Speaker 2>constellation of Ursa Major, which most of us know as

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<v Speaker 2>the Great Bear.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, classic, exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, if you know exactly where to look. Sitting deep

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<v Speaker 2>within that patch of sky is Messia one oh one,

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<v Speaker 2>the pinwheel galaxy.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh that is a beautiful one.

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<v Speaker 2>It really is. And when we observe it using our

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<v Speaker 2>most powerful orbital tools like Hubbles advanced camera for surveys,

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<v Speaker 2>we're doing something pretty remarkable.

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<v Speaker 3>We're literally looking back in time.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we are pulling in photons that have been traveling

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<v Speaker 2>across the vacuum of space for like twenty one million years.

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<v Speaker 3>We're just staggering to think about it is.

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<v Speaker 2>And we route that light through these highly specialized green

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<v Speaker 2>and infra red filters right hitting these incredibly sensitive charge

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<v Speaker 2>coupled device sensors, and what we capture is this breath taking,

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<v Speaker 2>hyper detailed image across a three point three by three

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<v Speaker 2>point three arc minute field of view.

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<v Speaker 3>Right you see the whole disc.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, It's a vast, swirling disc of hundreds of billions

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<v Speaker 2>of stars, glowing neon gas, dense dust lanes, And it

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<v Speaker 2>feels so complete.

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<v Speaker 3>It feels like you're seeing the whole universe right.

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<v Speaker 2>There, exactly. It feels like we are seeing everything there

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<v Speaker 2>is to see in that majestic spiral. But then you

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<v Speaker 2>have to pivot sharply and ask yourself a really unsettling question,

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<v Speaker 2>which is, what if the most important part of that

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<v Speaker 2>entire image just the stuff we absolutely cannot see?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh Man point?

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<v Speaker 2>What if the real story, like the fundamental architecture holding

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<v Speaker 2>that entire spinning pinwheel together, is hidden in the dark,

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<v Speaker 2>completely invisible, completely invisible. No matter what filters we use,

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<v Speaker 2>and no matter how long we leave the camera shutter.

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<v Speaker 3>Open, it forces a profound shift in perspective, doesn't it.

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<v Speaker 3>It really does because we are so conditioned biologically by

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<v Speaker 3>our evolutionary history and technologically by the instruments we build

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<v Speaker 3>to just focus on the light.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, we're visual creatures, exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>We design these billion dollar orbital observatories specifically to capture

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<v Speaker 3>the electromagnetic spectrum photons. But the visible universe, those swirling galaxies,

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<v Speaker 3>the brilliant stars, the eliminated nebulas, that's just the frosting.

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<v Speaker 2>The frosting on a very big invisible cake.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly. The vast majority of the universe's mass doesn't interact

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<v Speaker 3>with electromagnetism at all. It just ignores it, totally ignores it.

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<v Speaker 3>It doesn't emit light, it doesn't reflect it, and it

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't absorb it. Wow, it is completely invisible to our

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<v Speaker 3>primary way of experiencing reality.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, let's unpack this, because understanding that invisible architecture is

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<v Speaker 2>the core mission of our conversation today.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's do it.

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<v Speaker 2>We know this invisible stuff, dark matter, we know it exists,

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<v Speaker 2>we do, and we know it's incredibly abundant, outnumbering regular

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<v Speaker 2>matter by roughly five to one. Right, and we know

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<v Speaker 2>it's there because of its gravitational pull on the visible matter.

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<v Speaker 2>We just talked about.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Vera. Ruben showed us this beautifully back in the

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<v Speaker 3>nineteen seventies.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, the galactic rotation curves exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>You look at a galaxy spinning and the stars on

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<v Speaker 3>the outer edges are moving way too fast.

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<v Speaker 2>Like they should just fly off into space, right.

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<v Speaker 3>They absolutely should, based on the visible mass, those stars

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<v Speaker 3>should be flung out into deep space.

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<v Speaker 2>That they don't, right.

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<v Speaker 3>The fact that they stay locked in orbit means there's

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<v Speaker 3>an enormous amount of invisible mass holding the galaxy together.

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<v Speaker 2>It's kind of like seeing the branches of trees whipping

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<v Speaker 2>back and forth. You can't see the wind, but the

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<v Speaker 2>cane energy of the branches tells you the wind is there.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a great analogy.

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<v Speaker 2>But yet, despite decades of searching, despite building the most

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<v Speaker 2>sensitive detectors humanity has ever conceived, we have never observed

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<v Speaker 2>a dark matter particle directly.

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<v Speaker 3>Never, not once.

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<v Speaker 2>It has never given us a clear, undeniable, reproducible signal.

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<v Speaker 3>No, it's been incredibly frustrating.

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<v Speaker 2>So today we are exploring a radical new idea in

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<v Speaker 2>particle astrophysics. What if the universe's failure to give us

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<v Speaker 2>a clear, uniform signal isn't a dead end?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, I like where this is going?

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<v Speaker 2>What if the fact that the signal keeps disappearing is

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<v Speaker 2>actually the crucial clue we've been waiting for all along.

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<v Speaker 3>That is the crux of the current crisis in the

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<v Speaker 3>field right there. Yeah. Yeah. We have spent decades operating

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<v Speaker 3>under a very specific, mathematically elegant set of assumptions about

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<v Speaker 3>what dark matter should.

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<v Speaker 2>Look like, how it should behave fundamentally.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly, and when the observational data repeatedly fails to match

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<v Speaker 3>those mathematical assumptions, the initial reaction within the community is

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<v Speaker 3>understandably intense frustration.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'd be pulling my hair out.

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<v Speaker 3>Plenty of physicists are. But in physics, a null result

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<v Speaker 3>an absence of a signal in a place where your

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<v Speaker 3>best theories strongly predict there absolutely should be one that

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<v Speaker 3>is incredibly valuable data.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not a failure, it's a clue exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>It forces you to rethink the fundamental rules of the

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<v Speaker 3>standard models you've built your whole career.

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<v Speaker 2>On, right, and to understand this new set of rules.

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<v Speaker 2>We are going to explore a really fascinating mystery.

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<v Speaker 3>That's playing out right now where do we start.

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<v Speaker 2>It starts with a strange, highly energetic, totally unexplained glow

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<v Speaker 2>right at the center of our very own Milky Way galaxy,

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<v Speaker 2>the galactic center. Yes, then to figure out what that

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<v Speaker 2>glow is, will travel out to the quietest, most pristine

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<v Speaker 2>laboratories in the universe, these tiny, faint systems known as

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<v Speaker 2>dwarf spheroidal galaxies.

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<v Speaker 3>The clean rooms of the cosmos exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>And finally we'll look at a groundbreaking theory from Fermilab

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<v Speaker 2>which suggests that we've been thinking about the fundamental nature

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<v Speaker 2>of dark matter all wrong. Okay, that maybe it's not

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<v Speaker 2>just one single monolithic particle, but a complex system of two.

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<v Speaker 3>That distinction, by the way between dark matter being a

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<v Speaker 3>single uniform substance versus a dynamic system of multiple interacting

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<v Speaker 3>parts that is not just a minor tweak to the equations.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a big deal.

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<v Speaker 3>It changes absolutely everything about how we map the kinematic

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<v Speaker 3>history of the universe.

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<v Speaker 2>So let's start right at the center of the action.

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<v Speaker 2>The galactic center is glowing mystery. For decades, cosmologists have

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<v Speaker 2>proposed that dark matter isn't just some abstract mathematical modifier

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<v Speaker 2>to gravity it's made of actual physical.

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<v Speaker 3>Particles, right, tangible stuff, even if we can't see.

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<v Speaker 2>It exactly, and within the standard paradigm, there is this

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<v Speaker 2>leading hypothesis that when these dark matter particles meet under

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<v Speaker 2>the right conditions, they can annihilate each other ellilation, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>And when they do that, they produce high energy radiation,

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<v Speaker 2>specific gamma ray photons. And right now, as we speak,

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<v Speaker 2>the Fermi Gamma ray space telescope is locked onto the

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<v Speaker 2>center of our Milky Way.

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<v Speaker 3>And what is it seeing.

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<v Speaker 2>It is seeing a massive, unexplained excess of these gamma

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<v Speaker 2>ray photons. It's coming from this roughly spherical region enveloping

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<v Speaker 2>the dense inner bulge of our galaxy, right.

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<v Speaker 3>The GV excess. To really grasp what the Fermi telescope

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<v Speaker 3>is capturing, we need to dive into what annihilation actually

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<v Speaker 3>means when we talk about particle astrophysics.

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<v Speaker 2>Because it's not just things bumping together.

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<v Speaker 3>No, no, this isn't just things bumping into each other and

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<v Speaker 3>breaking apart into smaller pieces. It's a fundamental conversion of reality. WHOA, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>imagine two dark matter particles. Let's assume they're what we

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<v Speaker 3>call weakly interacting massive particles. Or whimps okay, wandering through

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<v Speaker 3>the incredibly dense gravitational environment of the galactic center. If

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<v Speaker 3>the cross sections align and they collide, they destroy each

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<v Speaker 3>other entirely, like completely gone completely. All of their mass

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<v Speaker 3>is instantaneously converted into pure kinetic energy and standard model particles.

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<v Speaker 2>Well it sounds violent.

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<v Speaker 3>It is incredibly energetic. Depending on the mass of the

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<v Speaker 3>dark matter particles. This process eventually cascades into the production

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<v Speaker 3>of gamma rays. Okay, we are talking about photons with

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<v Speaker 3>energies in the gig little electron volt or JEV range.

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<v Speaker 2>And just for scale, how energetic is that?

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<v Speaker 3>That is billions of times more energetic than the visible

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<v Speaker 3>light hitting.

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<v Speaker 2>Your eye right now, billions wow. And the Fermi telescope

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<v Speaker 2>is specifically designed to catch these incredibly energetic photons, right

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<v Speaker 2>it is. It's an amazing piece of engineering. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>it doesn't use mirrors or lenses like a regular telescope

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<v Speaker 2>because gamma rays would just blast right through a mirror.

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<v Speaker 3>They'd shatter it or just pass right through without interacting exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>So instead it uses alternating layers of tungsten foils and

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<v Speaker 2>silicon strip detectors. When a gamma ray hits the dense tungsten,

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<v Speaker 2>the photon actually undergoes pair production. It spontaneously transforms into

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<v Speaker 2>an a lee ttron and a positron from energy. Yeah. Those

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<v Speaker 2>newly created particles then streak through the silicon detectors, leaving

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<v Speaker 2>a tiny electrical wake that the computers can track backward

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<v Speaker 2>to figure out exactly where the original gamma ray came

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<v Speaker 2>from in the sky.

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<v Speaker 3>It is an absolute triumph of particle physics applied to astronomy,

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<v Speaker 3>it really is. And when we use Fermi to look

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<v Speaker 3>at the center of the Milky Way, it maps this

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<v Speaker 3>spherical excess of JEV gamma rays with astonishing precision.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 3>The data reveals a morphology, a shape, and a spatial

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<v Speaker 3>distribution that is a nearly flawless match for what we

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<v Speaker 3>call a Navaro Frank White or NFW profile.

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<v Speaker 2>And what's an NFW profile that.

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<v Speaker 3>Is the exact mathematical density profile we expect a dark

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<v Speaker 3>matter halo to have. Oh wow, Yeah, it's intensely concentrated

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<v Speaker 3>at the galactic core where gravity pulls everything together. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>and the density smoothly falls off inversely with the radius

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<v Speaker 3>as you move further out.

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<v Speaker 2>So we have this massive halo of dark matter sitting

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<v Speaker 2>around the Milky Way in the very center. It's packed

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<v Speaker 2>so densely that the particles are constantly interacting, annihilating and

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<v Speaker 2>creating this glowing sphere of givy gamma rays.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a theory.

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<v Speaker 2>It paints this incredibly vivid picture in your mind. You

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<v Speaker 2>have the flat, swirling, relatively thin disc of the Milky

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<v Speaker 2>Way filled with visible stars and gas, and then enveloping

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<v Speaker 2>the center, ballooning out above and below the galactic plane.

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<v Speaker 2>Is this glowing orb of pure high energy radiation.

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<v Speaker 3>It sounds like a smoking gun for dark matter, doesn't it?

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<v Speaker 2>It really does.

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<v Speaker 3>It certainly felt like one. When the gvxcess was first

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<v Speaker 3>isolated from the background noise, right the energy spectrum peaked

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<v Speaker 3>exactly where theories predicted it should if dark matter particles

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<v Speaker 3>weighing around thirty to fifty gv were annihilating into bottom.

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<v Speaker 2>Quarks, which then decayed into gammers exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>It was almost too perfect. But but astrophysics is rarely

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<v Speaker 3>that accommodating.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I have to push back on the smoking gun

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<v Speaker 2>idea because the center of the Milky Way is decidedly

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<v Speaker 2>not quiet controlled environment, not even a little bit. It

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<v Speaker 2>We've got Sagittarius, a star, a four million solar mass

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<v Speaker 2>We've got massive stars living fast and dying young in

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<v Speaker 3>So much background radiation exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>So, could this gamma ray glow just be regular violent

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<v Speaker 2>as impostors?

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<v Speaker 3>Ah, the impostors, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Like a dense, unresolved cluster of millisecond pulsars.

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<v Speaker 3>See. This raises an important question, and it is the

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<v Speaker 3>you are highlighting the fundamental problem with the galactic center.

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<v Speaker 3>It is incredibly messy. Let's look closely at your pulsar hypothesis. Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>A pulsars are rapidly spinning incredibly dense neutron star. It's

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<v Speaker 2>Right, and they have these terrifyingly strong magnetic fields they

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<v Speaker 2>whip around, acting like naturally occurring particle accelerator.

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<v Speaker 3>Precisely, they accelerate electrons and positrons to near the speed

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<v Speaker 3>of light along their magnetic poles.

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<v Speaker 2>So they're just shooting beams of particles out into space.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, and these relativistic electrons then smash into ambient low

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<v Speaker 3>energy photons like starlight or cosmic microwave background radiation. Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>through a process called inverse Compton scattering, the electrons transfer

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<v Speaker 3>a massive amount of their kinetic energy to the photons,

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<v Speaker 3>kicking them all the way up into the GV gamma

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<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, so they just power up the regular light exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>And here's the brutal part for dark matter. Huh.

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<v Speaker 2>What's that?

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<v Speaker 3>The combined spectrum of thousands of these unresolved millisecond pulsars

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<v Speaker 2>No way.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, they're the ultimate astrophysical imposters.

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<v Speaker 2>So we have a massive degeneracy problem, a huge one.

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<v Speaker 2>We have a glowing sphere of gamma rays, and we

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<v Speaker 2>have two completely different mechanisms that could be creating it exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>It could be the groundbreaking discovery of dark matter annihilating,

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<v Speaker 2>or it could just be a swarm of thousands of

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<v Speaker 3>And because the galactic center is so thick with dust

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<v Speaker 3>and other radiation, we can't just zoom in with an

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<v Speaker 3>optical telescope and count the pulsars to rule them out.

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<v Speaker 2>We just can't see them clearly enough.

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<v Speaker 3>We simply cannot separate the signals based on that data alone.

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<v Speaker 3>The background modeling of the galactic center is fraught with

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<v Speaker 3>systematic uncertainties. If you tweak your model of how interstellar

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<v Speaker 3>gas is distributed by just a few percent, the dark

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<v Speaker 3>matter signal can either vanish entirely or double in statistical significance.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a huge margin of error.

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<v Speaker 3>That is not a robust foundation for claiming a Nobel

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<v Speaker 3>prizeworthy discovery. No, definitely not to prove that this glow

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<v Speaker 3>is actually dark matter and not just a population of

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<v Speaker 3>exotic neutron stars, you have to find the exact same

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<v Speaker 2>Else, some more quieter.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly. If the fundamental laws of physics are universal, which

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I see where this is going. We can't definitively

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<v Speaker 2>prove what's happening in the noisy, chaotic center of the

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<v Speaker 2>Milky Way because there's simply too much background noise, far

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<v Speaker 2>too much. I like to think of it this way.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like trying to isolate and record the sound of

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<v Speaker 2>front row of a heavy metal concert. Oh I love that, right,

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<v Speaker 2>there's pyrote technic's going off. There's a wall of amplifiers blasting,

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<v Speaker 2>the crowd is screaming.

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<v Speaker 3>They're chaos.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. You might look at your audio waveform and think

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<v Speaker 2>you see the acoustic guitar's frequency, but it's completely washed

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<v Speaker 2>out by the distortion of the bass guitars and the symbols.

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<v Speaker 3>You'd never be able to trust the recording exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>You can't be sure, so you have to take the

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<v Speaker 2>a quieter laboratory to see if you can hear it clearly.

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<v Speaker 2>And for astrophysicists, that leads us directly to the clean

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<v Speaker 3>That analogy hits the nail on the head. If the

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<v Speaker 3>galactic center is our heavy metal concert, we desperately need

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<v Speaker 3>to find the cosmic equivalent of an antichoic chamber.

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<v Speaker 2>A completely sound proof room.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, and for high energy astrophysics, those sound proof chambers

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<v Speaker 3>are a specific class of satellites orbiting our galaxy called

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<v Speaker 3>dwarf spheroidal galaxies or dfs for short.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's really dive into these dwarf speroidal galaxies because they

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<v Speaker 2>are fascinating, deeply weird little objects there really are. We

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<v Speaker 2>are talking about systems like Reticulum two or Takana to

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<v Speaker 2>second or Segue one. They are very small and they

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<v Speaker 2>are incredibly faint. You cannot see them with the naked.

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<v Speaker 3>Eye, not a chance.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, many of them were only discovered recently through

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<v Speaker 2>massive automated sky surveys because they are so dim. But

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<v Speaker 2>what makes them special is that they are overwhelmingly dominated

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<v Speaker 3>Their mass to light ratios are absolutely staggering. How so, well,

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<v Speaker 3>in the Milky Way, the ratio of dark matter to

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<v Speaker 3>regular matter is roughly five to one. Okay, In some

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<v Speaker 3>of these ultra faint dwarf cerroidal galaxies the ratio can

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<v Speaker 2>To one, one thousand to one.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, they're essentially massive, dense lumps of dark matter holding

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<v Speaker 3>on to just a tiny microscopic sprinkling of ancient stars. Wow.

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<v Speaker 3>And the critical factor for our search is what they lack.

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<v Speaker 3>They have absolutely no interstellar gas and no dust.

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<v Speaker 2>And without gas and dust, you can't have stellar nurseries.

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<v Speaker 2>You can't form new star.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly the point point because they aren't forming new stars.

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<v Speaker 3>They haven't had any recent supernovae.

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<v Speaker 1>Ah.

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<v Speaker 3>Therefore, they do not possess massive populations of pulsars.

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<v Speaker 2>That's huge.

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<v Speaker 3>It is the stars that are there are billions of

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<v Speaker 3>years old, small and stable. Furthermore, we understand structurally why

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<v Speaker 3>they are so empty. Why is that as these dwarf

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<v Speaker 3>galaxies orbit the Milky Way, they pass through our galaxies

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<v Speaker 3>diffuse outer halo. The friction of that passage creates a

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<v Speaker 2>Ram pressure stripping.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, which effectively blows all the loose gas right out

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<v Speaker 3>of the dwarf.

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<v Speaker 2>Galaxy, just strips it clean.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, So you are left with a pristine, ancient environment.

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<v Speaker 3>No supermansive black holes, no active star formation, no pulsars.

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<v Speaker 2>They are practically empty of ordinary high energy astrophysical background noise.

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<v Speaker 3>The perfect clean room.

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<v Speaker 2>So, returning to our analogy, trying to find dark matter

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<v Speaker 2>in the Milky Way was the heavy metal concert. Pointing

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<v Speaker 2>the Fermi telescope at a dwarf galaxy like reticulum texts

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<v Speaker 2>is like trying to hear that acoustic guitar in a

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<v Speaker 2>perfectly soundproof empty library.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, there is zero background noise.

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<v Speaker 2>And because we know, based on their gravitational dynamics, that

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<v Speaker 2>these dwarf galaxies are absolutely packed with dark matter, the

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<v Speaker 2>math is incredibly.

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<v Speaker 3>Straightforward, very straightforward.

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<v Speaker 2>If dark matter is annihilating in the Milky Way and

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<v Speaker 2>producing that massive JEV gamma ray glow, then it must

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<v Speaker 2>be annihilating in the dwarf galaxies too, right.

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<v Speaker 3>The community formalized this expectation by calculating something called the

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<v Speaker 3>j factor for each of these dwarf galaxies.

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<v Speaker 2>The J factor.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, it's essentially a mathematical integral of the dark matter

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<v Speaker 3>density squared integrated along our line of sight.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so a measure of how dense the dark matter is.

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<v Speaker 3>Basically, it tells us exactly how bright the gamma ray

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<v Speaker 3>signal should be if annihilation is occurring. Right for dwarf

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<v Speaker 3>galaxies like Segue one are Reticulum two, the J factors

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<v Speaker 3>are incredibly high. The target is painted clearly. We know

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<v Speaker 3>where to look, We know exactly where to look, we

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<v Speaker 3>know exactly what energy spectrum to look for, and we

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<v Speaker 3>know there is no background radiation to confuse us.

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<v Speaker 2>So what did we find?

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<v Speaker 3>We point fermi at these quiet little galaxies, open the

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<v Speaker 3>digital shutter, and wait to capture the undeniable glow of

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<v Speaker 3>dark matter annihilation.

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<v Speaker 2>But here is the massive, unsettling reveal. When we point

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<v Speaker 2>our telescopes at those incredibly dense, dark matter rich dwarf

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<v Speaker 2>galaxies year after year, we don't hear the acoustic guitar. No,

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<v Speaker 2>we don't hear a whisper. We hear absolute, terrifying.

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<v Speaker 3>Silence, total silence.

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<v Speaker 2>There is a complete and total absence of a gamma

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<v Speaker 3>In an astrophysics that silence is deafening.

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<v Speaker 2>I can imagine.

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<v Speaker 3>We call it a null result, but it is a

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<v Speaker 3>null result that carries the weight of a sledgehammer. It

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<v Speaker 3>creates a massive kinematic paradox that threatens to break our

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<v Speaker 3>foundational understanding of how the universe is.

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<v Speaker 2>Constructed, because you simply cannot have it both ways.

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<v Speaker 3>You really can't.

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<v Speaker 2>If the fundamental dark matter particle is exactly the same

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<v Speaker 2>everywhere in the universe, which is the bedrock assumption of

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<v Speaker 2>the cold dark matter paradigm, right, and it is annihilating

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<v Speaker 2>to create that massive glowing sphere in the Milky Way.

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<v Speaker 2>Why is it completely utterly invisible in the dwarf galaxies?

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly? It's a glaring contradiction.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like it's like finding a species of bird that

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<v Speaker 2>sings beautifully and loudly when it's in a noisy, chaotic city,

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<v Speaker 2>but the moment you put that exact same bird in

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<v Speaker 2>a quiet, peaceful forest, it loses its voice entirely.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, that's a perfect way to put it.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't make any biological sense if it's the same

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<v Speaker 2>bird operating under the same rules.

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<v Speaker 3>No, it doesn't.

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<v Speaker 2>And in physics, This profound silence from the Dwarf galaxies

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<v Speaker 2>forces us to confront the terrifying possibility that our standard

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<v Speaker 2>theories are fundamentally broken.

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<v Speaker 3>To understand why this paradox froze the scientific community in

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<v Speaker 3>its tracks, we really need to break down the mechanics

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<v Speaker 3>of the two standard models of particle dark matter annihilation.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, let's do that.

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<v Speaker 3>For decades, physicists have relied on these two primary kinematic

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<v Speaker 3>frameworks to explain how whimps should behave the silence of

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<v Speaker 3>the Dwarf's spheroidal galaxies essentially dismantles both of them simultaneously.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, let's unpack these frameworks. Let's look at theory

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<v Speaker 2>one constant probability. Okay, in particle physics, I believe this

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<v Speaker 2>is referred to as an swave annihilation cross section.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why this is the simplest, most elegant case. It

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<v Speaker 2>assumes that the probability of two dark matter particles annihilating

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<v Speaker 2>is a universal constant.

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<v Speaker 3>It doesn't matter how fast the particles are moving relative

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<v Speaker 3>to each other.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, and it doesn't matter what the ambient temperature or

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<v Speaker 2>gravitational environment is. If they get close enough their cross

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<v Speaker 2>sections overlap, and they annihilate.

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<v Speaker 3>The swave model is highly favored because it naturally explains

434
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<v Speaker 3>the abundance of dark matter we see in the universe today.

435
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<v Speaker 3>It's a concept known as the whimpe miracle.

436
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<v Speaker 2>The wimp miracle. What is that? Exactly?

437
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<v Speaker 3>Well, in the incredibly hot, dense environment of the early universe,

438
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<v Speaker 3>dark matter particles were constantly annihilating and being created. It

439
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<v Speaker 3>was a balance, okay. As the universe expanded in the

440
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<v Speaker 3>particles spread out and the creation process stopped. The annihilation

441
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<v Speaker 3>continued until the particles were too far apart to find

442
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<v Speaker 3>each other, leaving behind the exact amount of dark matter

443
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<v Speaker 3>we currently observe.

444
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<v Speaker 2>So the math just worked out perfectly.

445
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<v Speaker 3>For this mathematical miracle to work, the annihilation cross section

446
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<v Speaker 3>needs to be a constant, specifically about three times ten

447
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<v Speaker 3>to the negative twenty six cubic centimeters per second.

448
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<v Speaker 2>Very specific. But if theory one is true, if the

449
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<v Speaker 2>annihilation rate is truly a constant, we have a fatal

450
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<v Speaker 2>flaw staring us in the face, a huge one. If

451
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<v Speaker 2>the probability doesn't change, then we should absolutely see a

452
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<v Speaker 2>bright gamma ray signal coming from the dwarf galaxies.

453
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<v Speaker 3>We should the density of dark matter in the center

454
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<v Speaker 3>of articulum two is more than high enough that these

455
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<v Speaker 3>particles would be bumping into each other and annihilating regularly.

456
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<v Speaker 3>But they're not right. The fact that Fermi has stared

457
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<v Speaker 3>at these systems for over a decade and seen absolutely

458
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<v Speaker 3>nothing means theory one, the elegant, mathematically favored swave model,

459
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<v Speaker 3>cannot possibly be the explanation for the glow at the

460
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<v Speaker 3>center of the Milky Way.

461
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<v Speaker 2>It contradicts the observational data entirely.

462
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<v Speaker 3>Exactly the problem. The Dwarf galaxy data places stripped upper

463
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<v Speaker 3>limits on the cross section, and those limits completely rule

464
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<v Speaker 3>out the constant probability model for a thirty to fifty

465
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<v Speaker 3>GV particle.

466
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<v Speaker 2>So theory one is dead pretty much.

467
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<v Speaker 3>Oh so the community pivot is predictable if the constant

468
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<v Speaker 3>model is broken. We look at the alternative theory two,

469
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<v Speaker 3>the velocity dependent probability model.

470
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<v Speaker 2>Okay, theory two.

471
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<v Speaker 3>In the nomenclature of particle physics, this is a p

472
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<v Speaker 3>wave annihilation cross section key wave. This theory posits that

473
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<v Speaker 3>the chance of two particles annihilating is not constant. It

474
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<v Speaker 3>depends heavily mathematically on how fast the particles are moving

475
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<v Speaker 3>relative to one another.

476
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<v Speaker 2>Let's translate that velocity dependence. In some theoretical models, particles

477
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<v Speaker 2>need to be moving very fast to overcome a kinetic barrier,

478
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<v Speaker 2>or conversely very slowly to interact effectively. In the standard

479
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<v Speaker 2>cold dark matter paradigm, as galaxies form and evolve, the

480
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<v Speaker 2>dark matter particles settle into these massive halos, and their

481
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<v Speaker 2>velocities are dictated by the gravitational potential of the galaxy.

482
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<v Speaker 3>This concept is known as velocity dispersion. Okay, in a

483
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<v Speaker 3>massive system like the Milky Way, the gravitational well is

484
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<v Speaker 3>very deep. The dark matter particles are zipping around at

485
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<v Speaker 3>roughly two hundred kilometers per second. That's fast it is.

486
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<v Speaker 3>But in a tiny dwarf galaxy, the gravitational well is

487
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<v Speaker 3>incredibly shallow. The particles there are moving much much slower,

488
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<v Speaker 3>perhaps only ten kilometers.

489
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<v Speaker 2>Per second, so a big difference in speed.

490
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<v Speaker 3>Huge. Now, if the annihilation probability is p wave, it

491
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<v Speaker 3>is proportional to the square of the velocity. Because the

492
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<v Speaker 3>velocity and dwarf galaxies is a factor of twenty smaller

493
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<v Speaker 3>than in the Milky Way, the annihilation rate drops by

494
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<v Speaker 3>a factor of four hundred Wow.

495
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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so if theory two is correct an annihilation probability

496
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<v Speaker 2>drops off a cliff when the particles are moving slowly,

497
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<v Speaker 2>then that perfectly explains why the dwarf galaxies are silent exactly,

498
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<v Speaker 2>just moving too slowly to trigger the annihilation.

499
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<v Speaker 3>That's the idea.

500
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<v Speaker 2>But wait, if the annihilation rate is tied to velocity

501
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<v Speaker 2>and it drops drastically, shouldn't that also affect the Milky Way?

502
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<v Speaker 3>That is the logical trap right there. If you calculate

503
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<v Speaker 3>the P wave annihilation rate using the two hundred kilometers

504
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<v Speaker 3>per second velocity of the Milky Way's dark matter halo,

505
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<v Speaker 3>the resulting gamma ray signal is still far too weak

506
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<v Speaker 3>to account for the massive glowing GV excess we actually

507
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<v Speaker 3>observe with FERMI.

508
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<v Speaker 2>It's just not fast enough.

509
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<v Speaker 3>The velocity simply isn't high enough to overcome the drop

510
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<v Speaker 3>in probability.

511
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<v Speaker 2>Which means, if theory two is true, the massive glowing

512
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<v Speaker 2>sphere of gamma rays we see at the center of

513
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<v Speaker 2>our galaxy cannot possibly be dark matter annihilation.

514
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<v Speaker 3>Nope, the physics simply won't allow it to be bright enough.

515
00:25:48.440 --> 00:25:51.079
<v Speaker 2>It has to be. The astra physical impostures it has

516
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<v Speaker 2>to be pulsar.

517
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<v Speaker 3>You're completely backed into a corner here.

518
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<v Speaker 2>It feels like a total conceptual dead end. I mean,

519
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<v Speaker 2>if the annihilation rate is constant theory one, we should

520
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<v Speaker 2>see it clearly in the dwarfs, but we don't. If

521
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<v Speaker 2>the annihilation rate depends on velocity theory too, we shouldn't

522
00:26:04.039 --> 00:26:06.079
<v Speaker 2>see a bright signal in the Milky Way, but we do.

523
00:26:06.519 --> 00:26:08.079
<v Speaker 2>The paradox is absolute.

524
00:26:08.200 --> 00:26:08.759
<v Speaker 3>It's a wall.

525
00:26:09.039 --> 00:26:11.759
<v Speaker 2>So does this mean the scientific community just gives up?

526
00:26:12.119 --> 00:26:14.559
<v Speaker 2>Do we conclude that the gamma ray excess at the

527
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<v Speaker 2>center of our galaxy is definitely just a swarm of

528
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<v Speaker 2>millisecond pulsars and we've literally been chasing ghosts this entire time.

529
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<v Speaker 3>It is a profoundly frustrating, almost existential moment for the field.

530
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<v Speaker 3>I mean, you spend twenty years building supercomputers, launching orbital observatories,

531
00:26:34.039 --> 00:26:38.279
<v Speaker 3>analyzing petabytes of data, refining your theoretical models, only to

532
00:26:38.319 --> 00:26:41.319
<v Speaker 3>find that the universe stubbornly refuses to fit neatly into

533
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<v Speaker 3>your equations.

534
00:26:42.079 --> 00:26:42.799
<v Speaker 2>It's got to hurt.

535
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<v Speaker 3>It forces a moment of reckoning. Many physicists were ready

536
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<v Speaker 3>to concede the galactic center to the pulsar hypothesis. I

537
00:26:49.240 --> 00:26:51.559
<v Speaker 3>don't blame them, but as is so often the case

538
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<v Speaker 3>in the history of science, just when a standard theory

539
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<v Speaker 3>seems dead and buried under the weight of paradoxical data,

540
00:26:57.480 --> 00:26:59.839
<v Speaker 3>someone looks at the fundamental assumptions of the problem from

541
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<v Speaker 3>a completely different, slightly subversive angle.

542
00:27:02.759 --> 00:27:06.119
<v Speaker 2>And that is exactly what happened. Just when the dark

543
00:27:06.160 --> 00:27:08.920
<v Speaker 2>matter hypothesis for the Milky Way Center felt like it

544
00:27:08.960 --> 00:27:13.400
<v Speaker 2>was on life support, a theoretical physicist named Gordon Krunjak

545
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<v Speaker 2>from Fermilab in his collaborators introduced a brilliant rule breaking alternative.

546
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<v Speaker 3>Yes they did.

547
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<v Speaker 2>They published a new study in the Journal of Cosmology

548
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<v Speaker 2>and Astraparticle Physics, and they proposed a kinematic model they

549
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<v Speaker 2>playfully called d s fobic dark matter.

550
00:27:29.799 --> 00:27:32.960
<v Speaker 3>Which dands for dwarf spheroidal phobic.

551
00:27:32.680 --> 00:27:36.559
<v Speaker 2>Dark matter that is somehow fundamentally averse to or inactive

552
00:27:36.640 --> 00:27:38.079
<v Speaker 2>in dwarf galaxies.

553
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<v Speaker 3>The terminology is definitely Italian cheek, but the physics behind

554
00:27:41.799 --> 00:27:45.920
<v Speaker 3>the ds fobic model is revolutionary. How So, Krenjac's team

555
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<v Speaker 3>looked at the paradox the screaming signal in the Milky

556
00:27:48.680 --> 00:27:51.519
<v Speaker 3>Way versus the deafening silence of the dwarfs and asked

557
00:27:51.519 --> 00:27:54.839
<v Speaker 3>a very simple, yet radically destructive question, which was, what

558
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<v Speaker 3>if the foundational assumption we've been using since the nineteen

559
00:27:57.240 --> 00:27:58.480
<v Speaker 3>seventies is completely wrong?

560
00:27:58.559 --> 00:27:59.039
<v Speaker 2>Oh wow?

561
00:27:59.480 --> 00:28:02.720
<v Speaker 3>What if we been blinded by our desire for mathematical simplicity.

562
00:28:02.920 --> 00:28:06.400
<v Speaker 3>What if dark matter is in a uniform type of particle.

563
00:28:06.680 --> 00:28:10.039
<v Speaker 2>Here's where it gets really interesting. They propose a framework

564
00:28:10.039 --> 00:28:13.480
<v Speaker 2>called inelastic dark matter. Yes, they suggest that the dark

565
00:28:13.519 --> 00:28:17.079
<v Speaker 2>sector consists of two distinct, slightly different particles. Let's call

566
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<v Speaker 2>them State A and State B. Okay, and the critical

567
00:28:19.759 --> 00:28:24.000
<v Speaker 2>rule changes this. For an annihilation event to happen and

568
00:28:24.079 --> 00:28:28.359
<v Speaker 2>produce those gamma rays, these two distinct particles must find

569
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<v Speaker 2>each other and interact.

570
00:28:29.920 --> 00:28:32.799
<v Speaker 3>It's no longer just particle A bouncing into another identical

571
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<v Speaker 3>particle A.

572
00:28:33.680 --> 00:28:38.960
<v Speaker 2>The entire process requires particle A to physically encounter particle B.

573
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<v Speaker 3>This introduces a profound concept into the dark matter paradigm,

574
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<v Speaker 3>environmental dependence.

575
00:28:45.279 --> 00:28:46.400
<v Speaker 2>Environmental dependence.

576
00:28:46.519 --> 00:28:49.720
<v Speaker 3>Suddenly, the probability of seeing a gamma ray glow isn't

577
00:28:49.720 --> 00:28:52.559
<v Speaker 3>just a universal constant, and it isn't just dependent on

578
00:28:52.599 --> 00:28:53.640
<v Speaker 3>the raw speed of the particle.

579
00:28:53.759 --> 00:28:54.519
<v Speaker 2>It's conditional.

580
00:28:54.640 --> 00:28:58.960
<v Speaker 3>It becomes entirely inextricably dependent on the local density and

581
00:28:59.039 --> 00:29:02.720
<v Speaker 3>the specific race of these two distinct particle states within

582
00:29:02.839 --> 00:29:04.319
<v Speaker 3>any given cosmic environment.

583
00:29:04.640 --> 00:29:08.000
<v Speaker 2>Let's try an analogy here to make this kinematic mechanism tangible.

584
00:29:08.319 --> 00:29:10.759
<v Speaker 2>I want to avoid anything too simplistic, because we are

585
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<v Speaker 2>talking about high level physics. Let's imagine this two state

586
00:29:14.680 --> 00:29:18.440
<v Speaker 2>dark matter like a highly specific binary star system.

587
00:29:18.640 --> 00:29:19.480
<v Speaker 3>I like the sound of that.

588
00:29:19.880 --> 00:29:23.160
<v Speaker 2>In order to create a massive stellar flare, which is

589
00:29:23.160 --> 00:29:25.640
<v Speaker 2>our equivalent of the gamma ray burst, you need a

590
00:29:25.720 --> 00:29:30.160
<v Speaker 2>massive red giant star and a tiny dense white dwarf

591
00:29:30.240 --> 00:29:34.440
<v Speaker 2>star to fall into a very specific tight orbital resonance

592
00:29:34.720 --> 00:29:38.319
<v Speaker 2>where the white dwarf siphons gas off the red giant.

593
00:29:38.079 --> 00:29:40.200
<v Speaker 3>Right, a cataclysmic variable exactly.

594
00:29:40.799 --> 00:29:43.359
<v Speaker 2>Now, if you have a galaxy filled with billions of

595
00:29:43.400 --> 00:29:45.720
<v Speaker 2>these pairs mixed together, both the red giants and the

596
00:29:45.720 --> 00:29:48.759
<v Speaker 2>white dwarfs and relatively equal numbers, you get these flares

597
00:29:48.799 --> 00:29:51.279
<v Speaker 2>popping off constantly. The whole galaxy glows.

598
00:29:51.400 --> 00:29:52.599
<v Speaker 3>That's in the milky way, right.

599
00:29:52.799 --> 00:29:56.319
<v Speaker 2>You have a well mixed, incredibly dense population of both

600
00:29:56.359 --> 00:29:59.920
<v Speaker 2>State A and State B particles. They easily find each other,

601
00:30:00.079 --> 00:30:03.680
<v Speaker 2>they interact, and they produce the massive Jevy excess at

602
00:30:03.720 --> 00:30:04.880
<v Speaker 2>the center of our galaxy.

603
00:30:05.039 --> 00:30:08.039
<v Speaker 3>That is an excellent way to conceptualize the kinematic requirement.

604
00:30:08.359 --> 00:30:11.000
<v Speaker 3>Both components are present and the density is high enough

605
00:30:11.039 --> 00:30:12.319
<v Speaker 3>that interactions are frequent.

606
00:30:12.559 --> 00:30:13.799
<v Speaker 2>But what about the dwarfs.

607
00:30:13.880 --> 00:30:16.680
<v Speaker 3>That's where the brilliance of the inelastic model becomes apparent.

608
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<v Speaker 3>How does a two state system naturally explain absolute silence? Right?

609
00:30:22.400 --> 00:30:24.960
<v Speaker 2>So, what if, due to the chaotic history of how

610
00:30:25.039 --> 00:30:27.960
<v Speaker 2>galaxies actually form, a dwarf galaxy ends up with a

611
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<v Speaker 2>completely skewed population on what if, going back to our

612
00:30:31.599 --> 00:30:35.960
<v Speaker 2>binary star analogy, a dwarf galaxy is composed almost entirely

613
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<v Speaker 2>of isolated red giant stars and practically zero white dwarfs.

614
00:30:40.839 --> 00:30:43.519
<v Speaker 2>It might have a massive amount of total stellar mass

615
00:30:43.839 --> 00:30:47.680
<v Speaker 2>a huge gravitational footprint, but without the specific partner needed

616
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<v Speaker 2>to trigger the interaction, nothing happens.

617
00:30:49.960 --> 00:30:50.759
<v Speaker 3>It just sits there.

618
00:30:50.839 --> 00:30:54.519
<v Speaker 2>It's dark, it's inert, and it's completely silent. If articulum

619
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<v Speaker 2>two is filled with ninety nine point nine percent State

620
00:30:57.359 --> 00:31:01.119
<v Speaker 2>A dark matter particles and essentially zero O state B particles,

621
00:31:01.519 --> 00:31:04.759
<v Speaker 2>then annihilation is physically impossible, regardless of how dense the

622
00:31:04.799 --> 00:31:06.119
<v Speaker 2>State A particles are packed.

623
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<v Speaker 3>What's fascinating here is how elegantly and brudally this solves

624
00:31:09.680 --> 00:31:10.759
<v Speaker 3>the entire paradox.

625
00:31:10.920 --> 00:31:11.559
<v Speaker 2>It really does.

626
00:31:11.799 --> 00:31:16.359
<v Speaker 3>It is a conceptual masterstroke. By introducing this second component,

627
00:31:16.559 --> 00:31:20.680
<v Speaker 3>the state B particle, you successfully decouple the behavior of

628
00:31:20.759 --> 00:31:23.799
<v Speaker 3>dark matter in the deep potential well of the Milky

629
00:31:23.799 --> 00:31:26.400
<v Speaker 3>Way from its behavior in the shallow wells of the

630
00:31:26.480 --> 00:31:27.359
<v Speaker 3>dwarf galaxies.

631
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<v Speaker 2>You get to have your cake and eat it too exactly.

632
00:31:29.920 --> 00:31:32.640
<v Speaker 3>You get to keep your dark matter explanation for the

633
00:31:32.680 --> 00:31:35.599
<v Speaker 3>glowing center of our galaxy because the two particles are

634
00:31:35.599 --> 00:31:39.680
<v Speaker 3>well mixed there and simultaneously, without violating any rules of physics,

635
00:31:39.920 --> 00:31:43.119
<v Speaker 3>you perfectly explain the dark silence of the dwarf galaxies

636
00:31:43.519 --> 00:31:46.319
<v Speaker 3>because the ratio there is overwhelmingly unbalanced.

637
00:31:46.400 --> 00:31:49.039
<v Speaker 2>But it begs the question, how does a galaxy get

638
00:31:49.119 --> 00:31:50.319
<v Speaker 2>unbalanced like that?

639
00:31:50.319 --> 00:31:51.200
<v Speaker 3>That's the big question.

640
00:31:51.279 --> 00:31:53.359
<v Speaker 2>Why would the Milky Way have a nice, even fifty

641
00:31:53.359 --> 00:31:56.359
<v Speaker 2>to fifty mix of state A and State B while

642
00:31:56.400 --> 00:31:58.480
<v Speaker 2>a dwarf galaxy ends up with a ninety nine to

643
00:31:58.519 --> 00:32:01.119
<v Speaker 2>one ratio. Is it just endem cosmic luck?

644
00:32:01.279 --> 00:32:03.920
<v Speaker 3>It's not luck. It's a consequence of the complex kinematics

645
00:32:03.920 --> 00:32:08.240
<v Speaker 3>of the early universe and galactic formation. Quenji's model explores

646
00:32:08.279 --> 00:32:10.839
<v Speaker 3>a few mechanisms for this, like what. One of the

647
00:32:10.880 --> 00:32:14.160
<v Speaker 3>most compelling involves a slight mass difference between the two states.

648
00:32:14.920 --> 00:32:17.680
<v Speaker 3>Imagine State B is just a tiny fraction of a

649
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<v Speaker 3>percent heavier than State A.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, slightly heavier.

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<v Speaker 3>In the incredibly dense hot early universe, they were in

652
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<v Speaker 3>thermal equilibrium. But as the universe expanded, the slightly heavier

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<v Speaker 3>State B particles could theoretically decay into the lighter State

654
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<v Speaker 3>A particles, or they could interact with standard model particles differently.

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<v Speaker 2>Making them rarer.

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<v Speaker 3>Right. Alternatively, in the shallow gravitational potential of a tiny

657
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<v Speaker 3>dwarf galaxy, if a scattering event gives a State B

658
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<v Speaker 3>particle a tiny kick of kinetic energy, it might achieve

659
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<v Speaker 3>escape velocity and just leave the dwarf galaxy entirely over

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<v Speaker 3>billions of years.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, it just flies away.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly In the Milky Way, the gravity is so immense

663
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<v Speaker 3>that even if a particle gets kicked, it can't escape.

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<v Speaker 3>It stays trapped in the halo.

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<v Speaker 2>So over cosmic time, the Milky Way retains both states,

666
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<v Speaker 2>while the shallow dwarf galaxies slowly leak or decay their

667
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<v Speaker 2>heavier state, leaving them completely depleted.

668
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<v Speaker 3>You've got it perfectly.

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<v Speaker 2>It's almost like giving the universe permission to have local

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<v Speaker 2>historical variation.

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<v Speaker 3>Which is very hard for some physicists to.

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<v Speaker 2>Accept, right because we're so used to thinking of fundamental

673
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<v Speaker 2>physics as being rigidly identical everywhere. An electron on Earth

674
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<v Speaker 2>is exactly the same as an electron in the Andromeda

675
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<v Speaker 2>galaxy a million light years away, exactly.

676
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<v Speaker 3>The same charge, exact same mass.

677
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<v Speaker 2>But this theory says, sure, the fundamental particles are the

678
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<v Speaker 2>same everywhere, but the macrostopic recipe of the dark sector

679
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<v Speaker 2>can change drastically depending on the specific gravitational and evolutionary

680
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<v Speaker 2>history of where you are looking.

681
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<v Speaker 3>The universe is suddenly allowed to be messy, varied, and

682
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<v Speaker 3>historically contingent.

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<v Speaker 2>And if we step back and look at reality objectively,

684
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<v Speaker 2>we shouldn't be surprised by that messiness at all. Think

685
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<v Speaker 2>about the ordinary matter we interact with every day, the

686
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<v Speaker 2>baryonic matter, it's incredibly messy. The visible universe isn't just

687
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<v Speaker 2>made of one type of monolithic particle. It's almost absurdly complex.

688
00:34:11.679 --> 00:34:15.719
<v Speaker 2>We have protons, neutrons, electrons, we have neutrinos oscillating between

689
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<v Speaker 2>three different flavors.

690
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<v Speaker 3>We have a whole zoo of quarks and gluons.

691
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<v Speaker 2>Yep. Yeah, these particles interact in highly specific, incredibly conditional

692
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<v Speaker 2>ways based entirely on their local environment. The ratio of

693
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<v Speaker 2>hydrogen to helium varies drastically in different generations of stars. Absolutely,

694
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<v Speaker 2>the distribution of heavy metals, carbon, and oxygen is entirely

695
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<v Speaker 2>different in a terrestrial planet like Earth compared to a

696
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<v Speaker 2>gas giant like Jupiter.

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<v Speaker 3>So why on Earth do we expect the dark sector,

698
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<v Speaker 3>which makes up roughly eighty five percent of all the

699
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<v Speaker 3>mass in the universe, to be just one boring, monolithic,

700
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<v Speaker 3>uniform particle doing the exact same simple thing everywhere from

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<v Speaker 3>the beginning of time until the heat depth the universe.

702
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<v Speaker 2>Right, It makes no sense when you put it like that.

703
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<v Speaker 3>It is an inherent cognitive bias in physics, a bias. Yeah.

704
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<v Speaker 3>We have a strong bias toward mathematical simplicity. When building

705
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<v Speaker 3>a new model, you always start with the simplest possible assumption,

706
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<v Speaker 3>a single particle a constant cross section, because it's the

707
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<v Speaker 3>easiest to calculate and test.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't want to complicate the math unless.

709
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<v Speaker 3>You have to. Exactly, you don't add complexity until the

710
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<v Speaker 3>data forces you to. But the universe is under absolutely

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<v Speaker 3>no obligation to be mathematically simple or conceptually convenient for

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<v Speaker 3>our benefit.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it's not.

714
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<v Speaker 3>This two state inelastic dark matter theory forces us to

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<v Speaker 3>treat the dark universe with the same respect for structural

716
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<v Speaker 3>complexity that we give to the visible universe.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so we have this brilliant new kinematic theory. It

718
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<v Speaker 2>solves the paradox, It respects the complexity of the universe.

719
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<v Speaker 2>It makes logical and physical sense.

720
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<v Speaker 3>It does.

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<v Speaker 2>But how do we actually prove this complex new scenario

722
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<v Speaker 2>because right now, sitting here talking about it, it sounds

723
00:35:56.840 --> 00:36:01.320
<v Speaker 2>suspiciously like a really elegant, highly tuned mathematical band aid

724
00:36:01.679 --> 00:36:04.360
<v Speaker 2>invented just to save the dark matter hypothesis from the

725
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<v Speaker 2>pulsar imposters.

726
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<v Speaker 3>That is the crucial next step, and it separates theoretical

727
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<v Speaker 3>philosophy from hard physics.

728
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<v Speaker 2>How do we move this from a neat idea on

729
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<v Speaker 2>a whiteboard at Fermi Lab to verifiable empirical science.

730
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<v Speaker 3>Well, a theory, no matter how elegant, is only as

731
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<v Speaker 3>good as its testable, falsifiable predictions. And proving this will

732
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<v Speaker 3>require the next generation of observatories to gather much more precise,

733
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<v Speaker 3>incredibly long term data on these dwarf galaxies better than Fermi.

734
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<v Speaker 3>The Fermi data we have currently is exceptional, but it

735
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<v Speaker 3>is still fundamentally limited by the sheer faintness of these

736
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<v Speaker 3>dwarf systems and the agonizing difficulty of separating true ultra

737
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<v Speaker 3>faint signals from cosmic ray background noise over ten year timeframes.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, because we're talking about staring at essentially empty, completely

739
00:36:51.480 --> 00:36:54.360
<v Speaker 2>dark patches of sky for years on end, hoping to

740
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<v Speaker 2>catch literally a handful of extrajevy photons that stand out

741
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<v Speaker 2>above the statistical.

742
00:36:59.039 --> 00:37:01.159
<v Speaker 3>Noise, like finding an in a haystack of needles.

743
00:37:01.239 --> 00:37:03.639
<v Speaker 2>So let's talk about the future of this observational hunt.

744
00:37:03.760 --> 00:37:06.119
<v Speaker 2>What happens when we get that better data from say,

745
00:37:06.239 --> 00:37:09.559
<v Speaker 2>the upcoming Cherenkov telescope array, which would be vastly more

746
00:37:09.639 --> 00:37:13.400
<v Speaker 2>sensitive than Fermi. What is the bifurcated path of discovery here?

747
00:37:13.719 --> 00:37:16.880
<v Speaker 3>The future of this hunt really splits down two very

748
00:37:16.920 --> 00:37:20.599
<v Speaker 3>distinct paths based on what those next generation telescopes see.

749
00:37:21.239 --> 00:37:25.400
<v Speaker 3>Path number one after years of deeper, much more sensitive

750
00:37:25.440 --> 00:37:29.400
<v Speaker 3>observation with the Charinkov telescope array, we eventually detect a

751
00:37:29.480 --> 00:37:34.239
<v Speaker 3>very faint, incredibly subtle, but statistically significant gamma ray signal

752
00:37:34.440 --> 00:37:37.039
<v Speaker 3>emerging from a dwarf galaxy like reticulum. Too.

753
00:37:37.320 --> 00:37:40.639
<v Speaker 2>If that happens, if we finally hear a tiny whisper

754
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<v Speaker 2>in the silent library, what does it mean? Does it

755
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<v Speaker 2>kill kranjayx to state theory?

756
00:37:46.440 --> 00:37:49.840
<v Speaker 3>Not necessarily. In fact, it could refine it beautifully. Ow

757
00:37:50.119 --> 00:37:53.199
<v Speaker 3>if we find a highly suppressed faint signal, it implies

758
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<v Speaker 3>that both of the dark matter components dd A and

759
00:37:55.519 --> 00:37:58.199
<v Speaker 3>state B are still present in the dwarf galaxies, but

760
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<v Speaker 3>just in a wildly different distribute or a highly skewed

761
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<v Speaker 3>ratio compared to the dense core of the Milky Way.

762
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<v Speaker 2>So, going back to our binary star analogy, it would

763
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<v Speaker 2>mean our dwarf galaxy isn't one hundred percent red giants,

764
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<v Speaker 2>it has a tiny microscopic scattering of white dwarf still

765
00:38:12.400 --> 00:38:13.519
<v Speaker 2>hanging around exactly.

766
00:38:13.679 --> 00:38:16.440
<v Speaker 3>It would firmly support the environmental dependence model, and it

767
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<v Speaker 3>would give theorists the exact data they need to calculate

768
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<v Speaker 3>the precise mass splitting and decay rates of the two states.

769
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<v Speaker 2>Okay, that makes sense. But what about path number two?

770
00:38:24.840 --> 00:38:25.000
<v Speaker 3>Right?

771
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<v Speaker 2>What if we get the most precise data imaginable, we

772
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<v Speaker 2>deploy the Charinkoff telescope array, we stare at these pristine

773
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<v Speaker 2>dwarf galaxies for another entire decade, and we confirm the absolute, undeniable,

774
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<v Speaker 2>mathematically perfect absence of any signal whatsoever, just.

775
00:38:42.119 --> 00:38:46.599
<v Speaker 3>A profound, unbroken cosmic void. Exactly what then, if we

776
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<v Speaker 3>confirm absolute undeniable silence at higher sensitivities, it strongly suggests

777
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<v Speaker 3>a heavily unbalanced, almost totally exclusive ratio.

778
00:38:56.000 --> 00:38:58.039
<v Speaker 2>So one particle is just gone, right.

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<v Speaker 3>It would be incredibly compelling evidence supporting the idea that

780
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<v Speaker 3>one component of the dark matter is almost entirely missing,

781
00:39:04.719 --> 00:39:08.599
<v Speaker 3>either decayed away completely or kinematically ejected from those specific

782
00:39:08.800 --> 00:39:10.239
<v Speaker 3>shallow gravitational environments.

783
00:39:10.320 --> 00:39:11.519
<v Speaker 2>So it still fits the theory.

784
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<v Speaker 3>It would strongly validate the core mechanism of Karen Jake's

785
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<v Speaker 3>d it's ahobic model.

786
00:39:15.800 --> 00:39:18.079
<v Speaker 2>But I have to play devil's advocate here, representing the

787
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<v Speaker 2>skeptics in the astrophysics community.

788
00:39:19.920 --> 00:39:20.360
<v Speaker 3>Bring it on.

789
00:39:20.519 --> 00:39:23.599
<v Speaker 2>Are we just inventing increasingly complicated math to save our

790
00:39:23.639 --> 00:39:24.400
<v Speaker 2>favorite theories?

791
00:39:24.519 --> 00:39:25.519
<v Speaker 3>I mean, it's a fair question.

792
00:39:25.760 --> 00:39:28.719
<v Speaker 2>Let's look at the history of this. The original idea

793
00:39:28.840 --> 00:39:33.599
<v Speaker 2>was beautifully simple. One dark matter particle annihilates with itself,

794
00:39:33.760 --> 00:39:37.199
<v Speaker 2>we see a glow. The dwarf galaxies didn't show a glow.

795
00:39:37.440 --> 00:39:37.800
<v Speaker 3>True.

796
00:39:37.960 --> 00:39:40.719
<v Speaker 2>So instead of practicing good science and saying, okay, our

797
00:39:40.760 --> 00:39:43.360
<v Speaker 2>simple theory is wrong, the glow in the Milky Way

798
00:39:43.440 --> 00:39:47.920
<v Speaker 2>is just the pulsars, we invented a brand new invisible particle,

799
00:39:48.440 --> 00:39:51.480
<v Speaker 2>gave it a highly specific mass splitting, and created a

800
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<v Speaker 2>complex decay history just to make the math work out.

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<v Speaker 3>It sounds like a stretch when you phrase it that way.

802
00:39:57.320 --> 00:40:00.280
<v Speaker 2>Are we over complicating the universe just because we really

803
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<v Speaker 2>don't want to admit we might be wrong about what's

804
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<v Speaker 2>glowing at the galactic center?

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00:40:03.480 --> 00:40:05.280
<v Speaker 3>If we connect this to the bigger picture of the

806
00:40:05.320 --> 00:40:11.280
<v Speaker 3>philosophy of science, it's a very valid, necessary criticism. Yeah,

807
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<v Speaker 3>it's the classic Okham's razor argument, the principle that the

808
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<v Speaker 3>simplest explanation is usually the correct one, and adding a second,

809
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<v Speaker 3>entirely invisible particle state to your model is a huge

810
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<v Speaker 3>violation of simplicity. Massive However, as I mentioned earlier, when

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<v Speaker 3>we discuss the standard model of particle physics, the visible

812
00:40:29.000 --> 00:40:34.000
<v Speaker 3>universe is overwhelmingly complex. It's messy, very the standard model

813
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<v Speaker 3>has seventeen fundamental particles. It would be almost historically arrogant

814
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<v Speaker 3>of us and scientifically naive to assume that the dark sector,

815
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<v Speaker 3>which holds five times more mass and dictates the entire

816
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<v Speaker 3>large scale structure of the cosmos, is fundamentally simpler than

817
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<v Speaker 3>the tiny fraction of baryonic matter we have to be

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<v Speaker 3>made of.

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<v Speaker 2>That is a really powerful point. We are sitting here,

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<v Speaker 2>complex biological organisms made of interacting carbon molecules, breathing a

821
00:41:00.599 --> 00:41:04.599
<v Speaker 2>complex atmospheric mixture of nitrogen and oxygen, on a geologically

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<v Speaker 2>complex planet, demanding that the remaining eighty five percent of

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<v Speaker 2>the universe just be one simple, easy to calculate thing.

824
00:41:11.360 --> 00:41:13.519
<v Speaker 3>Exactly. It's anthropocentric hubris.

825
00:41:13.639 --> 00:41:15.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we think we're the complex ones that everything else

826
00:41:16.000 --> 00:41:16.639
<v Speaker 2>must be simple.

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<v Speaker 3>And I must add a crucial note of scientific caution here,

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<v Speaker 3>because physics relies on rigor, not just elegant ideas. Of course,

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<v Speaker 3>the two state inelastic dark matter model is a brilliant interpretation,

830
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<v Speaker 3>but it is not the only one currently on the

831
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<v Speaker 3>theoretical table. Oh really, Yeah, the absence of a signal

832
00:41:34.199 --> 00:41:37.239
<v Speaker 3>in dwarf galaxies could still be related to other astrophysical

833
00:41:37.239 --> 00:41:40.480
<v Speaker 3>factors we haven't fully mapped out yet. Perhaps the dark

834
00:41:40.519 --> 00:41:44.239
<v Speaker 3>matter halos around dwarf galaxies are shaped differently than the

835
00:41:44.320 --> 00:41:46.199
<v Speaker 3>NFW profiles we assume like.

836
00:41:46.239 --> 00:41:47.000
<v Speaker 2>Maybe they're flatter.

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00:41:47.719 --> 00:41:50.440
<v Speaker 3>Perhaps they are flatter, which would alter the core density

838
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<v Speaker 3>and therefore lower the collision rates beneath our detection thresholds.

839
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<v Speaker 3>We have to ruthlessly compare this two state model with

840
00:41:58.159 --> 00:42:02.320
<v Speaker 3>a much wider range of observations, looking at galactic rotation curves,

841
00:42:02.599 --> 00:42:07.119
<v Speaker 3>cosmic microwave background data, and direct detection experiments deep underground

842
00:42:07.440 --> 00:42:08.679
<v Speaker 3>before we declare victory.

843
00:42:08.800 --> 00:42:10.360
<v Speaker 2>So we aren't popping champagne yet.

844
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<v Speaker 3>We certainly aren't popping champagne yet. The mystery is very

845
00:42:12.880 --> 00:42:13.360
<v Speaker 3>much alive.

846
00:42:13.559 --> 00:42:17.280
<v Speaker 2>No champagn yet, But it is an incredible, profound shift

847
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<v Speaker 2>in how we think about the architecture of the cosmos.

848
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<v Speaker 3>It absolutely is.

849
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<v Speaker 2>When you really step back and look at the intellectual

850
00:42:23.039 --> 00:42:25.440
<v Speaker 2>journey we've just taken over the course of this conversation,

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<v Speaker 2>starting from the glowing, incredibly chaotic core of our home

852
00:42:29.559 --> 00:42:34.239
<v Speaker 2>galaxy with its supermassive black hole, its pulsars, and its

853
00:42:34.280 --> 00:42:39.519
<v Speaker 2>swirling high energy radiation, and then traveling out to the quiet, dark,

854
00:42:39.760 --> 00:42:44.119
<v Speaker 2>pristine frontiers of the dwarf's ferroidal galaxies sitting out there

855
00:42:44.119 --> 00:42:48.880
<v Speaker 2>in the intergalactic void. It fundamentally shifts your perspective on reality.

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<v Speaker 3>It does it serves as a constant, humbling reminder that

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<v Speaker 3>we are sitting inside a vast, invisible ecosystem.

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<v Speaker 2>Invisible ecosystem, I like.

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<v Speaker 3>That the universe isn't just unamaan dgably vast in terms

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<v Speaker 3>of physical distance, It is profoundly layered in terms of

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<v Speaker 3>physical substance. We only have the sensory tools to see

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<v Speaker 3>the very top, thinnest layer of reality, and.

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<v Speaker 2>That brings us back perfectly to that image we started

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<v Speaker 2>with Messia one oh one, the pinwheel galaxy glowing against

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<v Speaker 2>the dark void.

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<v Speaker 3>Such a great image.

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<v Speaker 2>We look at that beautiful Hubble image and we inherently

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<v Speaker 2>think we see the whole picture. But this conversation leaves

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<v Speaker 2>me with a truly mind expanding idea to mull over,

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<v Speaker 2>what's that If dark matter isn't just a single inert,

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<v Speaker 2>boring particle, but multiple different particles interacting with each other

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<v Speaker 2>based on complex environmental ratios and kinetic energies, could there

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<v Speaker 2>be an entire dark chemistry.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh wow, that is the ultimate frontier pushing question in

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<v Speaker 3>astroparticle physics.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, if you have multiple particles with distinct masses

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<v Speaker 2>and interaction states, you immediately have the theoretical potential for

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<v Speaker 2>complex structural interactions. You do think about the implications of that.

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<v Speaker 2>Could there be unseen dark structures floating right through our

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<v Speaker 2>galaxy as we speak? Dark matter isn't just a static,

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<v Speaker 2>featureless fog holding the stars together? What if it has

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<v Speaker 2>its own intricate internal.

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<v Speaker 3>Dynamics Dark chemistry?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Could there be dark atoms, dark molecules? Could there

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<v Speaker 2>be dark radiation that we simply have no physics to detect,

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<v Speaker 2>operating under their own exotic rules, completely invisible to our

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<v Speaker 2>eyes and our most advanced telescopes while we go about

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<v Speaker 2>our daily lives oblivious to them.

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<v Speaker 3>Entirely possible.

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<v Speaker 2>The idea that we are swimming in an unseen ocean

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<v Speaker 2>of complex interactive matter is both deeply humbling and intensely thrilling.

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<v Speaker 2>It means the universe is infinitely more mysterious and infinitely

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<v Speaker 2>more structure than we ever imagine.

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<v Speaker 3>A very exciting time to be looking at the data,

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<v Speaker 3>that's for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you for exploring this invisible reality, for questioning the

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<v Speaker 2>standard models, and for taking this journey into the unseen

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<v Speaker 2>universe with us today. Keep looking up and remember the

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<v Speaker 2>most important structures in the cosmos are often the ones

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<v Speaker 2>you cannot see.
