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Speaker 1: Bro. Wow, yeah, so I got I'm sure that was
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Speaker 2: was that particular guideline that I broke, YouTube was straight
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Speaker 2: that's awesome, dude.
Speaker 1: They're still putting commercials in your stuff.
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Speaker 2: Yea, Bro, that's how it is. Ran do as I say,
Speaker 2: not as I do. But Yo, before we get into it,
Speaker 2: plug your stuff. Where can people find you? All Right?
Speaker 2: Nick from the Occult Rejects, Welcome to the show for
Speaker 2: the first time I think officially.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, yeah, the Occult Rejects. That's on bit shoot,
Speaker 1: Rumble and YouTube. Just talking about YouTube and all major podcasts.
Speaker 1: And we do have the Occult Research Institute dot org.
Speaker 1: It's a website, Thank you very much, sir.
Speaker 2: I'll put the links in the description. But dude, yea,
Speaker 2: why the Cult Rejects what happened. Tell us a little
Speaker 2: bit about your story, x OTO, what got you into
Speaker 2: all that?
Speaker 1: Originally? I guess the other whole rejects and even the
Speaker 1: pearole thing is probably because like originally when we started
Speaker 1: the show, I was Exoto and my co host was
Speaker 1: supposedly ex Golden Dorn or maybe aymore, but you know
Speaker 1: he was he was into the stuff. So I guess
Speaker 1: we started to call like we were playing around, being like, oh,
Speaker 1: we got to come up with a name for the show,
Speaker 1: you know, like I had it hit him on my
Speaker 1: show a few times. We started talking about doing our
Speaker 1: own show, and I think it was mostly because for
Speaker 1: me it was more of like we didn't I felt
Speaker 1: I didn't fit in in the OTO. I felt like
Speaker 1: a reject there, you know, I didn't belong And I
Speaker 1: also awmed that kind of really down with. I guess
Speaker 1: that the places ran so I thought when toly arnesw
Speaker 1: and Lux came up with the name, I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's perfect. So I mean, I guess kind of like
Speaker 1: being reject like he he didn't fit in, or he
Speaker 1: didn't think he belonged, he wasn't down with kind of
Speaker 1: the idea of how mad is normally used nowadays. So
Speaker 1: I guess, you know, we're considered rejects. We're not down,
Speaker 1: I guess with the club, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's a little different. And plus, like I
Speaker 1: do think one of the major things is not saying
Speaker 1: that others are wrong. I do believe you might even
Speaker 1: say this yourself. One symbolism could have like seven different meanings,
Speaker 1: who knows. But I do think that we try to
Speaker 1: look at it a little bit differently than other people
Speaker 1: do as well, So I even think that makes any sense,
Speaker 1: like a little bit, not a reject, but just different.
Speaker 2: More like a retard. Right, Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna that's gonna be my next podet the cult Retards.
Speaker 2: We should do a show like that and just think
Speaker 2: about it. But did he go back? Did you're old?
Speaker 2: Did he go back into the organization or you just
Speaker 2: fizzled out or what real life happened?
Speaker 1: Uh no, it's just it's a long old story.
Speaker 2: Oh you don't have to tell me.
Speaker 1: I just yeah, no, no, it just didn't work out anymore.
Speaker 1: But yeah, he eventually left, and then I just pulled
Speaker 1: some magic out of my ass. I guess and still
Speaker 1: it happened and eventually built it up to what it
Speaker 1: is now.
Speaker 2: So what got you to join the OTO? Because, right,
Speaker 2: this is something that I have a lot of people
Speaker 2: who hit me up who are always asking me about
Speaker 2: the occult and at the esoteric and stuff like that,
Speaker 2: and a lot of people I never made the jump,
Speaker 2: but a lot of people make the jump and they
Speaker 2: joined the Resocrusions or the OTO or you know, more
Speaker 2: commonly the Freemasons. Right, that's a common one, easy because
Speaker 2: they feel like they're going to get access to some
Speaker 2: sort of knowledge or their promise something. But what got
Speaker 2: you to join the OTO?
Speaker 1: I was I got into conspiracies like around twenty ten,
Speaker 1: and I heavily gravitated towards like Jordan Maxwell, David Ike,
Speaker 1: Michael Tassarian, Mark Passio, a lot of people who were
Speaker 1: mainly a cult as well or into I guess talking
Speaker 1: about the occult and studying and you know whatever teaching
Speaker 1: people about it. So I was like heavily into that
Speaker 1: and did believe that there's something behind and eventually just
Speaker 1: this is just for me. Like eventually I was like
Speaker 1: I'm learning world, these orders are what country they started in?
Speaker 1: Who supposedly started it, and then you're gonna mind fuck
Speaker 1: all that as well. And then I'm like, I still
Speaker 1: don't know what the fuck magic is? What the I
Speaker 1: haven't gotten anyway except for just following dates, names and lodges.
Speaker 1: What the fuck is magic? So I was like, let
Speaker 1: me see if I can find one of these places,
Speaker 1: maybe they're buying me. I am in New York at
Speaker 1: the time, and I was in Queens, so I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's probably some weird shit out here. So
Speaker 1: I started looking for the Golden Dawn because believe in it,
Speaker 1: and I would have been a little bit more interested
Speaker 1: in that. I will say I think Crowley is in
Speaker 1: a cult genius, but I also think he was a degenerate,
Speaker 1: So I really wasn't looking to join the OTO at first.
Speaker 1: There was no Golden Down near me. Uh. I wasn't
Speaker 1: gonna go for like Temple a Set or the Church
Speaker 1: of Satan. I was looking for more of something that
Speaker 1: was more like ceremonial magic and kind of a little
Speaker 1: bit more strict, which is why I wanted to pick
Speaker 1: the Golden Down. So I was like, well, let me
Speaker 1: see if there's an notes there was one twenty five
Speaker 1: minutes away from my house. I was like, all right,
Speaker 1: I guess I guess that's what it is, because like
Speaker 1: even with the Freemasons, I knew Freemasons, and they're like,
Speaker 1: this is just their experience. They said, if you want
Speaker 1: to get into like actual, like that type of stuff,
Speaker 1: you're going to have to stay around for a long time.
Speaker 1: Before they even talk about that, They're like Golden Dorn
Speaker 1: or Oto, you're obviously going in because you want to
Speaker 1: practice ceremonial magic. I mean, it's so blatant, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, that's what they talk about. So I
Speaker 1: was like, all right, the Mason's obviously probably isn't going
Speaker 1: to work for me. So I looked up, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: found the Oto, and you know, these places they're really
Speaker 1: not that secret. They have websites that will like advertise
Speaker 1: where the lodges are, and they all have social media.
Speaker 1: I think, like I found to Hoodi Lodge, which is
Speaker 1: the lodge I used to go to. I think I
Speaker 1: found it on Facebook. I think I had a link
Speaker 1: for it on the website, and then they had like
Speaker 1: a calendar of like events and an email and I
Speaker 1: checked it out and I was like, oh, the Gnostic
Speaker 1: Man I'll try that, and I went and uh, six
Speaker 1: years later finally left. But yeah, it was more of
Speaker 1: because I actually wanted to know, like what's really going
Speaker 1: on in these things, like what kind of stuff do
Speaker 1: they practice? Did they study? You know, prior to that,
Speaker 1: already started getting into kind of like Thelemic style stuff,
Speaker 1: or at least the heck you know, the hexagram ritol
Speaker 1: and the pentagram ritol, which was used by the Oto
Speaker 1: and Golden Dorn and a lot of secret societies, but
Speaker 1: you know, suggested by the Oto. So I had already
Speaker 1: had experience with like some of the things that they
Speaker 1: would use. So then eventually I was like, I think
Speaker 1: it's time to actually go to a place and see
Speaker 1: what's really going on.
Speaker 2: So I'm stuck in this place recently where it's like, right, conspiracies,
Speaker 2: the cult, it's kind of the same thing, Right, can
Speaker 2: we control entities? Are their entities? Religion itself is a conspiracy.
Speaker 2: I mean there's people still debating the legitimacy of quite
Speaker 2: literally everything is magic real, Nick. I know you've talked
Speaker 2: about like the whole neodethic space sperience and you know,
Speaker 2: crossing the abyss and things of that nature. But is
Speaker 2: it a real thing? Is it putting yourself in a
Speaker 2: state of mind to believe what's the what's the kicker man?
Speaker 2: What have you figured it out so far in this journey?
Speaker 1: Throughout throughout That's a good way to put it. Throughout
Speaker 1: my journey. My idea of magic has changed, and I
Speaker 1: do think there's probably ways that you can look at
Speaker 1: magic in different ways. And I think the first two
Speaker 1: is probably more of what the public seems to think
Speaker 1: it is. There's that magic where it's kind of like
Speaker 1: that book The Secret or I'm just gonna tell myself
Speaker 1: this is what's gonna happen. I'm gonna keep thinking about it.
Speaker 1: You know, you almost pre program yourself to kind of
Speaker 1: put yourself to get where you want to go, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Where people will like almost like
Speaker 1: kind of like reevalue. They constantly tell them like I'm
Speaker 1: gonna get that car. I'm gonna get that car, you know,
Speaker 1: like stupid shit like that, like self helpation. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: stuff like that. I do believe there is something to that.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's just a very basic, low level type
Speaker 1: stuff that these these people are just started practicing yoga
Speaker 1: on Instagram, going about for hours. You know, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. But sit I'm sure there is some
Speaker 1: legitimacy to that. Then, like when I started really getting
Speaker 1: into magic, it's more of I do think, and this
Speaker 1: is my opinion. If you want to, I do think
Speaker 1: you can actually control to an extent the world around you.
Speaker 1: And I think that's a lot of what people seem
Speaker 1: to think is magic. I'm gonna do something that's going
Speaker 1: to create a change in the environment around me, that
Speaker 1: is true. But I do think that that is solely
Speaker 1: just black magic. Unfortunately. That's just my opinion, because you're
Speaker 1: gonna have to change the will of something around in
Speaker 1: this world, probably you have to bend something to your will,
Speaker 1: that's my opinion, and I do think that seems to
Speaker 1: be even when it comes to conspiracies. People just seem
Speaker 1: to think that that's kind of in my opinion, maybe
Speaker 1: I'm wrong, people seem to think that that is like
Speaker 1: really the only kind of like magic, Like I'm going
Speaker 1: to evoke something that's going to come in and it's
Speaker 1: going to change or give me whatever I want. I
Speaker 1: really don't have. I have had experiences in the past
Speaker 1: or maybe for work I wanted to make a talisman.
Speaker 1: So my job went better, but like really trite, and
Speaker 1: it was always to change me. Actually, will I be
Speaker 1: able to speak better to my customers to get what
Speaker 1: I want? Will I be able to manipulate them with
Speaker 1: my speech to get what I want? It was, you know,
Speaker 1: but still again I'm affecting them, but I'm really focusing.
Speaker 2: More on you.
Speaker 1: But it's a fucking loop.
Speaker 2: It's a bullshit.
Speaker 1: You're bullshitting yourself. You know what I'm saying. You're gonna
Speaker 1: bullshit yourself about how to make sense of this. Eventually
Speaker 1: I stopped fucking with that and started getting into the
Speaker 1: whole thing of actually literally just changing me because I'm
Speaker 1: tired of who I am, and I actually just literally
Speaker 1: started doing rituals and prayers to God. I want to
Speaker 1: know the answers, no matter what I have to do,
Speaker 1: I want to know the answers. Who are you? What's God?
Speaker 1: What's the after life? What's out there? I was totally
Speaker 1: ready to be given some sort of answer for that,
Speaker 1: But eventually it started to become a lot more where
Speaker 1: I was focusing on me and only me again, Like
Speaker 1: I would do certain rituals to hope to maybe invoke
Speaker 1: a different energy like again, I'm an aries and you
Speaker 1: know a little bit about me. I could be very
Speaker 1: hot headed or just you know what, I'm whatever from.
Speaker 2: New York, you know, yeah, hey, what's the matter.
Speaker 1: You know obviously I need sometimes I might need some balance,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And I know that, so
Speaker 1: I would try to work. You know, I would work
Speaker 1: maybe with like a a venus, you know, or something
Speaker 1: like that. You love beauty, patience maybe you know, stuff
Speaker 1: like that. I would try to change myself. But it
Speaker 1: was my opinion, real real magic and just dragging this
Speaker 1: all out for my opinion is is you know what
Speaker 1: I've said to you before is to separate I think,
Speaker 1: your soul from your body and have an experience with God.
Speaker 1: And you know that's really kind of what I think
Speaker 1: magic is.
Speaker 2: Getting there is the is the kicker right as to
Speaker 2: write deep meditation, substances, whatever it may be for think.
Speaker 1: You just want to add, whenever I did have magical
Speaker 1: experiences was before I started smoking weed again, so I
Speaker 1: was sober. So I just want to say there was
Speaker 1: no drugs when I've had these experiences used that will.
Speaker 2: Well, fasting is powerful too, right like oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I have I have done.
Speaker 1: Basically, I have done some forms of fasting. I have
Speaker 1: done that. But I'm just saying drug wise. I've never
Speaker 1: taken drugs for originally, but I've had these experiences drug use.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, But the being sober and the fast thing
Speaker 2: I've heard, you know, brings forth these changes, these experiences. Right,
Speaker 2: if you're gonna contact God or be in the presence
Speaker 2: of God, need to be purified to a certain extent. Now,
Speaker 2: how many people can do that, That's true, not many people.
Speaker 2: So there you eliminate fifty percent of the people who
Speaker 2: can't fast right or whatever it is for whatever reason,
Speaker 2: and then the discipline on top of that eliminate half
Speaker 2: of those people that you can't even do that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: But for example, like the whole conspiracy crowd, which I'm
Speaker 2: sure you see it. I think we've talked about it before,
Speaker 2: where when something happens in the super Bowl or something
Speaker 2: somewhere with Trump or anywhere, it's it's a rich wal
Speaker 2: look at that thirty three blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: I didn't even get down with that stuff anyways.
Speaker 2: But do you think that there is something to that?
Speaker 2: Because sometimes it's weird, Like for example, yesterday I did
Speaker 2: an episode in the Info Wars egals thirty three and
Speaker 2: Brian White or whatever the dude's name was equals thirty
Speaker 2: three and that was the dell was just murdered from
Speaker 2: Info Wars.
Speaker 1: I yes, you stuff like that, for sure, but it's
Speaker 1: just just certain things that like is retarded. How could
Speaker 1: I put it this way? If unless you're a freemason
Speaker 1: and you've done the third degree initiation, how are you
Speaker 1: gonna go on and tell people something you just watched
Speaker 1: on TV it was a third degree initiation? You don't
Speaker 1: fucking know. Yeah, people going on saying the Mike Tyson
Speaker 1: if I was a third degree initiation? Are you a
Speaker 1: fucking Mason? And dumbe the fuck are you telling people?
Speaker 1: You have no idea?
Speaker 2: I didn't see that one.
Speaker 1: I've heard I've heard people say that, and it's like,
Speaker 1: unless you're actually a freemason and gone through the third degree,
Speaker 1: how are you telling thousands of people that's what that is?
Speaker 1: It's a joke. You have a lot of that going on.
Speaker 1: People who have never stopped into a temple or stepped
Speaker 1: into a ring or telling people what the fuck's going
Speaker 1: on in those things and they have zero clue.
Speaker 2: But people love it though Mick and people believe it
Speaker 2: one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: Silly and people actually try to like tell you science
Speaker 1: and real shit get blown off. It was like that's boring. Sorry,
Speaker 1: I guess I had to make up like sci fi
Speaker 1: stories to keep it interesting.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean that's that's the society that we live in.
Speaker 2: Like it's all about I'm serious, though, bro, Like that's
Speaker 2: what people want nowadays, Like I'll just talk about aliens. Well,
Speaker 2: the homuncious is another one. I can't prove to you
Speaker 2: that I was real. No, I can't prove to you
Speaker 2: that it's not real. Right, So, like we're.
Speaker 1: Still I think you're onto something. There is something with it.
Speaker 2: There's plenty of stories you can read about it, right, So,
Speaker 2: but the are is the magic is the colt or
Speaker 2: you know these aspects you're you're talking about like shaping
Speaker 2: yourself and going through this experience, is it all part
Speaker 2: of your brain? Like is this different facets of your psyche?
Speaker 2: Like is it different aspects of yourself? Because like that's
Speaker 2: you know, the self help stuff in my opinion works
Speaker 2: and this sounds really stupid, but the whole being in
Speaker 2: the right mindset, I've had that work for me, and
Speaker 2: I have a video of me manifesting that fish that's
Speaker 2: right there on my wall with that picture there. The
Speaker 2: biggest fish I've ever caught to this day, right, And
Speaker 2: it was weird because the the day before, me and
Speaker 2: my boy always go to this lake.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: It's one of the biggest lakes in Central Florida, Lake Tohoe,
Speaker 2: and it's a hard lake. It's they do a lot
Speaker 2: of a lot of tournaments out there, like all the
Speaker 2: pros fish it and it's a it's a it's a
Speaker 2: hard lake, right, It's you know, however, many hundred acres
Speaker 2: and a lot of times they would go we'd not
Speaker 2: have like good luck, right, he would be out there
Speaker 2: for brough. Fun fact, I started doing fishing videos before
Speaker 2: I started podcasting. But you would go out for twelve
Speaker 2: hours a day to try and catch a fish, and
Speaker 2: when you wouldn't catch anything for twelve hours, you're like,
Speaker 2: what the hell am I gonna put out? So the
Speaker 2: day before and I caught all this on camera, Bro
Speaker 2: was the craziest shit ever. It's on my YouTube channel somewhere.
Speaker 2: And the day before I was, you know, telling myself,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna kill it tomorrow.
Speaker 1: We're gonna kill it. We're gonna have the.
Speaker 2: Greatest time, the greatest fishing day ever. And when we
Speaker 2: got there, bro slaying it, dog like boom and this
Speaker 2: is all on camera, all in the video, slaying it,
Speaker 2: slaying it. And then the last catch of the day.
Speaker 2: I'm telling my boy, I go, Bro, there's a giant
Speaker 2: out here. Somewhere, there's a giant. He's like, yeah, Bro,
Speaker 2: this is this is how you're gonna You're gonna catch
Speaker 2: the biggest one of your life.
Speaker 1: On the video.
Speaker 2: Bro, this is all on video. Like, I'm not making
Speaker 2: any of this ship up. I'll send you the video.
Speaker 2: And he's like, you're gonna catch the biggest one of
Speaker 2: your life. And I'm like, yeah, bro, like, this is
Speaker 2: gonna be crazy. And my speed worm it broke the
Speaker 2: tail right, and I'm like, oh I and I go, hey,
Speaker 2: I broke the tail off this bitch. I remember the
Speaker 2: words bro like and everything. I broke the tail off
Speaker 2: this bitch. That's how you know it's the juice. And
Speaker 2: my bow goes, yeah, that's the juice, right, and I
Speaker 2: cast and I'm just slowly relating it in.
Speaker 1: Bro broken and it worked and it caught the biggest one.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it was like it was one of the
Speaker 2: things that we did after a while that the tail
Speaker 2: comes off and I'm like just reeling it in and
Speaker 2: it feels like my lure is stuck, right because we're
Speaker 2: fishing off shore and hook sets are free, right, So
Speaker 2: I reel in a little bit and I set the
Speaker 2: dog shit out the hook. Bro, I'm just like, boom,
Speaker 2: it was something on the other end, right, And I
Speaker 2: knew it was big because you hear in the video
Speaker 2: my my my reel goes like it's like from how
Speaker 2: much pressure's on it, and I'm like, I tell my Bum,
Speaker 2: I'm like, bro, oh, this is a giant because I
Speaker 2: felt like, you know when you got a big fish. Right,
Speaker 2: He goes, what are you talking about, bro? So again
Speaker 2: all on video, I'm reeling it in and fighting this fish,
Speaker 2: the biggest fish I've ever caught to this day, nine
Speaker 2: points something pound almost ten pound bass. Right, It's a
Speaker 2: huge bass, and my boy's helping me out. I'm trying
Speaker 2: not to get it, you know, caught in the trolling
Speaker 2: moat and everything, and it jumps out of the water
Speaker 2: and we see it for the first time, bro, Like
Speaker 2: I could fit my whole hand into its mouth. Okay,
Speaker 2: my whole arm and hand into its mouth. So we
Speaker 2: see this giant mind you, there's like seven boats around us.
Speaker 2: They're all watching us because we were killing it that
Speaker 2: day just like boom boom boom, and my boy starts.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to stay calm and my boy is trying
Speaker 2: to calm me down. He's like, bro, bring it over
Speaker 2: here with the net and everything, bro, and you'll see.
Speaker 2: I'll send you the video.
Speaker 1: Bro.
Speaker 2: The it was almost or gasmic right, like it's like
Speaker 2: like you have like this feeling you see, bro, you
Speaker 2: see my emotion everything in that video because but it
Speaker 2: all started the day before. I was like I'm gonna
Speaker 2: you know, I'm a good boy. I'm gonna do good
Speaker 2: and I'm gonna kill it tomorrow, right And it worked, bro,
Speaker 2: you know, and I don't know if I've done it again,
Speaker 2: ship Like that is real. It is so I feel
Speaker 2: like I affected my reality in a way. And this
Speaker 2: is I'm talking about this particular thing because I can
Speaker 2: prove it, like I have a video, Like I have
Speaker 2: a video the whole thing, and I call you know
Speaker 2: the time I manifested the biggest fish I've ever caught,
Speaker 2: and I kind of did, because, bro, what are the
Speaker 2: chances that right when I'm like, I got the juice,
Speaker 2: broke the tail off this bitch and I cast it? Yeah, bro,
Speaker 2: and I'm really it in And then that was the
Speaker 2: That was the cast. My boy had the affirmations and
Speaker 2: everything ready. He's like, yeah, bro, we're gonna do it.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be the biggest one. I go, yeah, and
Speaker 2: that that, Bro, that was the cast. That's crazy, it's crazy,
Speaker 2: it sounds dumb, but again that it works, right.
Speaker 1: That's crazy. That's like a cool experience to have. Good
Speaker 1: for you, man.
Speaker 2: So yeah, that that was the the last fish of
Speaker 2: the day that we had. Con Then I took pictures
Speaker 2: with it, I took measurements, and I went home, bro,
Speaker 2: because what are you gonna do? Then?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, like, nothing to do now?
Speaker 2: You got that high, right, So if you're catch anything else,
Speaker 2: it's not going to even be uh remotely even close to.
Speaker 1: Hole after that one.
Speaker 2: So again, what I was saying, telling yourself, is it
Speaker 2: part of your your psyche? Is it part of your mind?
Speaker 2: Are these things that you're tapping into because you were
Speaker 2: talking about shifting between different energies and different facets of
Speaker 2: like hey, this day I'm gonna invoke Venus or this
Speaker 2: day I'm gonna invoke Saturn. What if that's just like,
Speaker 2: you know, a Youngian approach of these are different parts
Speaker 2: of our own selves.
Speaker 1: That's yeah, I do believe that. Actually I do believe that.
Speaker 1: I mean I even when I would work on certain
Speaker 1: things like that, I would look at like what am
Speaker 1: I doing and what do I want to stop doing?
Speaker 1: You know, I would acknowledge that maybe certain aspects of
Speaker 1: my personality believe it or not, as cheesy as it sounds,
Speaker 1: And I have said this to people and on the show,
Speaker 1: and I mean I because of being you know, whatever mandated.
Speaker 1: I have done some like I've been to AA and
Speaker 1: rehebs before in the past, but it's almost like doing
Speaker 1: like a fourth step from AA. I would say, like
Speaker 1: if you actually wrote, well, if you filled that out
Speaker 1: and did that and kind of like did it to
Speaker 1: yourself and really looked at yourself like that, that is
Speaker 1: a lot like shadow work and kind of what magicians
Speaker 1: are doing. Believe it or not. You look at that
Speaker 1: shit and you're gonna want to change it about yourself
Speaker 1: and you're going start trying to figure out ways to
Speaker 1: do it.
Speaker 2: Isn't that what the TikTok uh psychic say?
Speaker 1: I hate that phrase right because right away, and I'm like, oh.
Speaker 2: Because the it was Crawley right that said that the
Speaker 2: goatia is a part of yourself. I don't know exactly where.
Speaker 1: Originally he thought it was part of the aspects of
Speaker 1: the brain, which I do. I do believe it is,
Speaker 1: and then I think I don't. It wasn't like they
Speaker 1: put out a new book, or maybe they did, maybe
Speaker 1: they edited it, or he said it in another book
Speaker 1: that one of his other released that thinks it's both
Speaker 1: that they could be, which I find interesting because that's
Speaker 1: actually what I think sometimes pulled the guy saw. I
Speaker 1: do think it's something you're creating, but then it ends
Speaker 1: up creating the world around you. So I could see
Speaker 1: the goystias still being that it's in your head, but
Speaker 1: maybe it does actually manifest in reality. There's a way,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying within the cult is you
Speaker 1: never understand what the fuck they're really saying. Let's they
Speaker 1: get specific. That's why.
Speaker 2: And unless you're you're you're initiated, right, I mean, that's
Speaker 2: the whole aspect, but he does he thinks it could
Speaker 2: be both all aspects of the mind, or they could
Speaker 2: be real. But he also did write that some people's
Speaker 2: will is to have their will bent to your own will.
Speaker 2: So sometimes no means yes. Right, So he was weird.
Speaker 2: I mean, he was into some some stuff, but he
Speaker 2: did expose expose a lot of things, right, And I think.
Speaker 1: That's what I think is weird that it to tell you, like,
Speaker 1: even his story is kind of like weird if you
Speaker 1: think about it, Like he originally came out kind of
Speaker 1: like exposing magic. I mean, that's why he put out
Speaker 1: all that Golden Dawn stuff. He was pretty much saying, like,
Speaker 1: this is what it's about, and I think everybody should
Speaker 1: be privy to it. That's actually how he first started,
Speaker 1: and everyone was like, oh my god, he's releasing all
Speaker 1: these rituals. Yeah, technically he was releasing shit he wasn't
Speaker 1: supposed to technically.
Speaker 2: But wasn't it Regardi that put put out the OTO stuff.
Speaker 1: No, all those libras were his, I mean Regard he
Speaker 1: might have put out some, but certain libs though those
Speaker 1: are all Crawley, a lot of them.
Speaker 2: But because the way I've understood. Is I think it
Speaker 2: was Royce or somebody went to him and told him
Speaker 2: that he had he had unintentionally revealed. Do we know
Speaker 2: what that was?
Speaker 1: No? No, actually, but it's something in the Book of.
Speaker 2: The Law, something in the Book of the Law.
Speaker 1: I actually think the Book of the Laws is my opinion,
Speaker 1: is all focusing on the eyeball in.
Speaker 2: The brain perception.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, actually how it works and everything too. Really yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean you even think you believe in that had
Speaker 1: is a playoff for Dha, which is something inside your eyeball,
Speaker 1: as well as fish.
Speaker 2: And God, isn't it?
Speaker 1: Oh, God would be the god. Yeah. Yeah. Even even
Speaker 1: the stella of revelation, in my opinion, looks like an eyeball,
Speaker 1: and it looks like the cones and the rods that
Speaker 1: are in there and all that shit. So what say
Speaker 1: that again, the stella of revelation. Yeah, there's even stuff
Speaker 1: in his rituals that he does that, in my opinion,
Speaker 1: is pointing to the pineal glen. Like. I hate to
Speaker 1: say it, but I do think the guy understood the eyeball.
Speaker 2: Stella of on and.
Speaker 1: F and cons of coffin consu or the stellia of revelation,
Speaker 1: you know, either one of those cough Conso, yeah, he
Speaker 1: thought he was that too, was cons he thought he
Speaker 1: was Edward Kelly.
Speaker 2: Hey, yeah, yeah, yeah, this thing here, yes, so what
Speaker 2: are we looking at? You said that it's like the eyeball.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do think that's part of it. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's be hard to get into, but those are like
Speaker 1: the same things on the bottom. You see that that
Speaker 1: thing that's spinning kind of that. You got a lot
Speaker 1: of the cones and the rods in your eyeball of
Speaker 1: the same color. I do you think that might be
Speaker 1: like the back of the eyeball.
Speaker 2: So this is interesting because John Dee was into optics
Speaker 2: as well, and he was he was into a lot
Speaker 2: of things, but he had this thing called katroptics, which
Speaker 2: was pretty much being able to turn your soul into
Speaker 2: a mirror of sorts, right, I mean, and that's interesting
Speaker 2: because it's got to do with the stella raised and
Speaker 2: things of that nature where they say everything is emitting light, right,
Speaker 2: We're all light beings or light is coming out from
Speaker 2: us and the way that our light interact that's an
Speaker 2: aw chemical reaction. And you're also able to snuff out
Speaker 2: the light of something else and use that light for
Speaker 2: you know, use the energy of that light for purposes, right,
Speaker 2: and sacrifice, et cetera, things of this nature. And I
Speaker 2: forgot where it was that I saw something about like
Speaker 2: an upside down eye. Stuff. I'd have to find I
Speaker 2: probably did an episode on a long time ago, but
Speaker 2: I've seen this before. Where But here's my problem, because
Speaker 2: when I think of the occult, a lot of the times,
Speaker 2: a lot of these guys that were exposing it, right,
Speaker 2: So you're saying he almost had like a sort.
Speaker 1: Of it's kind of like, I'm not saying like he
Speaker 1: was a good guy. I'm just saying that's kind of
Speaker 1: how his story is, which I find weird. I just
Speaker 1: find that even weird to begin with.
Speaker 2: Maybe he was exposing it but got wrapped up in
Speaker 2: it at the same time, right, like, because his whole
Speaker 2: thing was against the being against the church, right, he
Speaker 2: hated the church because allegedly what they had done to
Speaker 2: his father and stuff. So he had like this deeply.
Speaker 1: He even had like a magical experience and then stops
Speaker 1: fucking with magic for a few years and then came back.
Speaker 2: And he even did that when he was younger.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I mean there was even that too, which
Speaker 1: I find interesting. Where'd you go?
Speaker 2: Because a lot of the guys that write about the occult,
Speaker 2: and this is where I'm struggling, because, for example, the Gatia, right,
Speaker 2: you have John Veayer who wrote the pseudo Monarchiam Demonum,
Speaker 2: where it was supposed to be satire, supposed to be,
Speaker 2: uh you know, a work of fiction. It was supposed
Speaker 2: to be making fun of people. Or is the satire
Speaker 2: part of the occult, But sometimes I think the occult
Speaker 2: is occulting the fact that it's gay, fake and gay,
Speaker 2: you know, and that it's not not really.
Speaker 1: Secrets right there?
Speaker 2: You get what I'm saying though, Bro, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, So yeah, I think I think there's
Speaker 1: plenty of rabbit holes that a toist out there too
Speaker 1: by magicians. Yeah take this, it's faking gay, but you'll, you'll,
Speaker 1: he'll entertain you for you.
Speaker 2: One hundred percent. And like, what was it that I
Speaker 2: was listening to something today where they were talking about
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, I was listening to uh something on
Speaker 2: the homunculous. I was listening to Mine Unveiled's documentary which
Speaker 2: I helped him out, the ten hour documentary on homunculus.
Speaker 1: Oh, damn nice.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't say we, but he worked on that think
Speaker 2: for at least six months.
Speaker 1: Bro.
Speaker 2: It was crazy, and I like I helped him out right,
Speaker 2: like we we give him a lot of information and
Speaker 2: stuff like that. And in it he talks about how
Speaker 2: the homunculous has multiple meanings, like it's it's a multifaceted concept,
Speaker 2: and that's how I look at the occult or the occult.
Speaker 2: Sometimes you might have your grasp on it of like
Speaker 2: what it could be, and it changes real time. Bro.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you've ever had that happening where
Speaker 2: you're like, oh, I kind of understand this concept and
Speaker 2: then Mandela effect, it's something completely different.
Speaker 1: That's actually uh. When I was working on the Eyeballs series,
Speaker 1: I think it's like one part to the next. Actually
Speaker 1: corrected myself and changed like the way I was looking
Speaker 1: at something because I was like, I think I'm completely off.
Speaker 1: I mean I was kind of close, but I just think,
Speaker 1: you know, so like even for me, there's times where
Speaker 1: even I'm like, ah wait, I was like I was
Speaker 1: sold on it before. Then you learn something new and
Speaker 1: you're like, all right, it doesn't make sense now.
Speaker 2: It's almost like the information is alive in a sort
Speaker 2: of like you get what I'm saying, Like it's always there,
Speaker 2: it's always changing. And it was a book on Fulconelly.
Speaker 2: I think you it wasn't Eugene Consali. It was somebody
Speaker 2: else that wrote this book on Fulconelly, right, I mean,
Speaker 2: out of all people, this enigmatic guy Fulconelli that we're
Speaker 2: still we still don't know who he was. But in
Speaker 2: that book he talks about when you study and how
Speaker 2: you're saying, you drive yourself crazy looking at it.
Speaker 1: It's gonna change every time you look at it.
Speaker 2: You ever had a dream where you go and read
Speaker 2: something and it changes in front of you.
Speaker 1: I don't know. It may have, I don't remember.
Speaker 2: Try and read in your next dream er. I don't
Speaker 2: know if you if you dream, because you probably small
Speaker 2: a lot of weed.
Speaker 1: But does that stup you from dream?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Oh all right, could be the ansome. Yeah, I only
Speaker 1: have dreams that much anymore.
Speaker 2: That's why, bro, it does something to your brain where
Speaker 2: you can't dream.
Speaker 1: So I did it all throughout the day with my
Speaker 1: eyes open exactly now, yeah, pretty much? So.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they say messages with something in your brain where
Speaker 2: you're you're unable to dream. But I think dreams are
Speaker 2: interesting because I have sometimes I had some. I actually
Speaker 2: woke up from a dream this past week where I
Speaker 2: had a conversation with somebody in the dream. And sometimes
Speaker 2: I wonder if the person that I see in the
Speaker 2: dream is also dreaming about me talking to me their dream.
Speaker 2: I felt that before, yeah, bro, because like I even
Speaker 2: looked stuff up after the dream to see if it
Speaker 2: came up, but nothing came up. Like like they told me,
Speaker 2: they told me a certain phrase and it was the
Speaker 2: we were talking about someone and they were like, yeah, no,
Speaker 2: they were a debo or a devo or something, and
Speaker 2: it was like it they told me it was like
Speaker 2: the Indian Indian word Indian word for idiot. But I
Speaker 2: don't know what the hell they were trying to tell me.
Speaker 2: So I looked up every which way, bro, devo, deebo,
Speaker 2: d like all these things, trying to find what the
Speaker 2: hell that doesn't exist? Like did I make all that up?
Speaker 2: Or was like there's some secret hidden meaning.
Speaker 1: A secret password. Right, It's like the word you get
Speaker 1: into like an initiation.
Speaker 2: Oh really, Oh well they do that. Initiations give you
Speaker 2: a word like you gotta say that, gotta say hokey pokey. Well,
Speaker 2: when you look up the word idiot in Indian, I
Speaker 2: mean there's really no other way around that. You just
Speaker 2: look up the word idiot in Indian and it should
Speaker 2: give you the definition. Right, So it's a beav a coof,
Speaker 2: that's what. That's a Hindi beav a coof. But didn't
Speaker 2: I didn't see uh, beef coof beef coof, that's but
Speaker 2: I didn't see anything else. So I don't know if
Speaker 2: it was something that my mind was making up because
Speaker 2: how much of reality. There's that guy an L. Seth
Speaker 2: I think is his name, that talks about hallucination and.
Speaker 1: Oh yes, yes, what is he so familiar though?
Speaker 2: I think he's been.
Speaker 1: That's right? Actually, oh has he all of them? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I've actually tried to get on my show that that's
Speaker 1: why he does.
Speaker 2: Maybe I don't know if he has been.
Speaker 1: Yeah he's uh yeah, I tried to get him on.
Speaker 1: He fucks with anesthesia, does he really? Yeah? Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: I've watched some of his stuff and like, in my opinion,
Speaker 1: this is just my opinion. I I think people can
Speaker 1: be occultists and not be like practicing magic like people
Speaker 1: normally would. I'll just put it that way. I think
Speaker 1: he has an understanding and I think he realizes what's
Speaker 1: going on with anesthesia because he does focus on that
Speaker 1: and kind of like what the fuck's really going on
Speaker 1: and how is that possible? And when you start looking
Speaker 1: at debates that him and like a few other people,
Speaker 1: uh Shell Drake and uh god, I fucking forgot the
Speaker 1: other guy's name. I even have a book on name.
Speaker 1: You listen to them three talk and it's like, Yo,
Speaker 1: you're literally talking about like magic in the abyss, trying
Speaker 1: to figure out like how the fuck it makes sense.
Speaker 2: He says, we're all hallucinating all the time. When we
Speaker 2: agree about our hallucinations, we call it reality. So he
Speaker 2: said that this dude messes with anesthesia, Well I think.
Speaker 1: He might have been actually involved like with that, like
Speaker 1: done something with that, or at least studies with it. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: because like he was going on on, Uh, I'm talking
Speaker 1: about like the effects of anesthesia, what it actually does,
Speaker 1: because if you think about it, that does put you
Speaker 1: out limbo, man, Like where are you going when that happens?
Speaker 1: Like what's actually going on? You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 1: And like I think like that was like kind of
Speaker 1: a thing that like spurred an idea for the guy
Speaker 1: and he kind of went with it.
Speaker 2: Wasn't it Paracelsis though, in that created anesthesia.
Speaker 1: Oh, I have no idea.
Speaker 2: Ye see here, so history apparently it's been around since
Speaker 2: uh for a long time. But he did, I mean,
Speaker 2: he was the father. I know he he created. I
Speaker 2: think it was. Oh yeah, he did contribute to it.
Speaker 2: So paracels and his contributions to anesthesia, he is the
Speaker 2: father of modern day toxicology essentially. So you know, the
Speaker 2: dose makes the poison. If you take too much of
Speaker 2: too much anesthesia, you die, If you take too little bit,
Speaker 2: you feel every single little thing.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: But it's interesting you bring up anesthesia because I did
Speaker 2: an episode one time on Benjamin Paul Blood where it's
Speaker 2: called The Anesthetic Revelation, and it's this book written in
Speaker 2: eighteen something, early nineteen hundreds, and it's about a dude
Speaker 2: who what you know, that they had like huffing parties
Speaker 2: back then everyone would get like high on anesthesia and
Speaker 2: everything because it was you know, it was not regulated.
Speaker 2: And so what he had figured out was that at
Speaker 2: the peak of the anesthesia of this anesthetic dream state,
Speaker 2: at the very peak of it. He understood everything in
Speaker 2: all of of psychology and all of philosophy, all of
Speaker 2: the philosophies ever, like, he understood every single thing at
Speaker 2: the very top of it, and then you come down
Speaker 2: and then he would forget. Then he would forget, so
Speaker 2: he would have like people writing to him, like, Bro,
Speaker 2: I understand what you're saying about unders standing in reality,
Speaker 2: understanding the world being connected to it as soon as
Speaker 2: you're at that very peak, and then you come back
Speaker 2: down and you don't remember. And that to me is
Speaker 2: almost like could there be a secret anaesthesia the fact
Speaker 2: that Paracelsus, you know, he was an alchemist, he was
Speaker 2: into some stuff. Maybe there's something to that right as
Speaker 2: a reason for his contribution to it, because one hundred
Speaker 2: percent who was mixing stuff up and taking it back? Then?
Speaker 1: Bro?
Speaker 2: Like that?
Speaker 1: You know, so if if if you go by what
Speaker 1: I say, and I think you have to almost like
Speaker 1: kind of bring yourself to death to have a magical experience,
Speaker 1: you could be fucking with that shit. I even think
Speaker 1: this is just my opinion, why you you get some
Speaker 1: grimoires that are like if you were to take that
Speaker 1: shit and be poison, maybe there's a reason why Yeah,
Speaker 1: because you kinda knock yourself.
Speaker 2: Full and there's something about that, right, So I.
Speaker 1: Mean shamans do it, yeah, put themselves under extremes until
Speaker 1: they think they've had a near death experience.
Speaker 2: But is it a near death experience in what sense
Speaker 2: as a biological death or like an ego death? Like
Speaker 2: what do you mean?
Speaker 1: Oh? No, I think like your body will actually think
Speaker 1: like it's yeah, it's much more beyond just like, oh
Speaker 1: I have change now, because like no, I think that
Speaker 1: your body actually goes through a fucking change, Like your
Speaker 1: body is affected by it. It's not just like you
Speaker 1: know when the people post those current the frog things
Speaker 1: dancing thinking I had leveled up. It's not one of
Speaker 1: those things.
Speaker 2: Tech the frog bro.
Speaker 1: You know what?
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I mean.
Speaker 1: I do think, you know, because I I just my opinion.
Speaker 1: I just do think. I you know, even I'm not
Speaker 1: going to say it's the typical word. I mean, do
Speaker 1: you think there's something behind it? I don't want to
Speaker 1: say it because it's but even stuff in blood. I
Speaker 1: think there is even something in blood that gets used
Speaker 1: up or changes when you fuck with magic. You know,
Speaker 1: I think your eyeballs, you know, for me, you know,
Speaker 1: every time I fucked with magic, one my eyeball will
Speaker 1: get bigger than the other one. One will get bigger,
Speaker 1: one will go pinned. And I've had blood.
Speaker 2: Issues like your ear pupils.
Speaker 1: E mean yeah, my pupil will be one pupil was
Speaker 1: full millimeters bigger than the other one and I had
Speaker 1: to get a bag of saline and a bag of blood.
Speaker 1: They said, my uh hemoglobe and levels like through the roof.
Speaker 2: Because you were doing are you were doing a ritual?
Speaker 1: No, I was actually blasting off. I did it three
Speaker 1: times in like ten days. I was a fucking mess.
Speaker 2: Bhi gone on, what nothing noice?
Speaker 1: Fucking with magic?
Speaker 2: Really? You almost died from messing with magic.
Speaker 1: Like three times in a I would consider myself pretty
Speaker 1: much dying every time I've done it. And one time
Speaker 1: I got like a little crazy with it and did
Speaker 1: it about three times in ten days and that was
Speaker 1: a fucking mental mess. The physical mess. I had to
Speaker 1: go to hospital. And shit will fuck up your head.
Speaker 2: You keep on doing it too, so it'll mess with
Speaker 2: you biologically and also psychologically.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, those down loads are real. The more
Speaker 1: you do it, the louder they're gonna get. And the
Speaker 1: more often they're gonna come and you can't shut it off,
Speaker 1: so you're gonna have to sit there and listen to it.
Speaker 2: So are people who are.
Speaker 1: People are schizophrenic? Yeah, I think they're half in there
Speaker 1: and half out. Or or some guy I've seen on YouTube.
Speaker 1: I try to get him on. His name's okay, Charlie.
Speaker 1: You go look at his stuff. This guy's going out
Speaker 1: and all over the place, caves, fucking woods here and there,
Speaker 1: and he's recording stuff and he's actually finding there is
Speaker 1: voices in the fucking ambient air. There is stuff being
Speaker 1: pumped out from somehow, So people, for all I know,
Speaker 1: people could be hearing that, or the fucking pills they're
Speaker 1: being taken and makes them hear it anyway more susceptible
Speaker 1: hearing it. But I mean, yeah, but you will hear things,
Speaker 1: in my opinion, and that it's hard to explain. It's
Speaker 1: almost like these knowings that are so loud it's as
Speaker 1: if they're being spoken to. I mean, it's hard to explain.
Speaker 2: I think that even sort of messing with this stuff
Speaker 2: as far as like I call myself an armchair coultist,
Speaker 2: where even having these books in my in my room
Speaker 2: or in my space or even talking about it. I
Speaker 2: think that even opens you up. And I've experienced things.
Speaker 2: I've experienced at least heavy synchronicities, like crazy, weird synchronicities.
Speaker 1: Where you get a lot of the same numbers.
Speaker 2: I get a lot of the same numbers, you know,
Speaker 2: repeating numbers. But I've gotten to the point where I
Speaker 2: laugh it off.
Speaker 1: Bro, that you're doing You're doing something right. I don't
Speaker 1: think it's a bad thing.
Speaker 2: That's the way I see when I you know, when
Speaker 2: I have a synchronicity, it's because I'm on the right timeline.
Speaker 1: I think you're doing your will.
Speaker 2: You're doing your will.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Or I think that could be like, you know,
Speaker 1: representative of you, kind of like you know, uh, side
Speaker 1: effects maybe if you're on the right track of doing
Speaker 1: your own will. Maybe. Yeah.
Speaker 2: My wife makes fun of me because she'll see when
Speaker 2: I have synchronicity sometimes right like.
Speaker 1: You and hurt.
Speaker 2: She's like, I'll look right and I'll and I'll laugh,
Speaker 2: you know, I'll just laugh at all. Well, another one
Speaker 2: of your angel numbers happen again, And I'm like, first
Speaker 2: of all, it's not those people give us a bad name. Man,
Speaker 2: Well that's the thing, bro, that she doesn't how you're
Speaker 2: saying about being grounded. She takes me grounded because she
Speaker 2: doesn't believe in ship. Like she's Christian, she doesn't not
Speaker 2: believe in anything. She believes in God and all that,
Speaker 2: but as far as she doesn't believe in anything, as
Speaker 2: as far as like the occult and all that stuff,
Speaker 2: and you know, the whole she knows what I talk
Speaker 2: about and she doesn't really agree with all of it.
Speaker 2: So she kind of does poke poke fun at me sometimes.
Speaker 2: But you know, sometimes I'll be watching like her, you know,
Speaker 2: one of her shows with her and dude, even on
Speaker 2: the show Love is Blind. I know you've seen on Netflix.
Speaker 2: I'm sure you've seen the memes. There's a show Love
Speaker 2: is Blind. It's like where people go into these pods
Speaker 2: and they all in love with somebody on the other
Speaker 2: side without ever seeing them, and it's this whole thing, right,
Speaker 2: And there was this one season, dude, where one of
Speaker 2: the guys was boasting about being able to orgasm without coming.
Speaker 2: He's like, I can go for a long time. He's like,
Speaker 2: I went and I studied with these Buddhists in the mountains,
Speaker 2: and bro, this is like the most regular show you
Speaker 2: will ever see, you know, Netflix, Like, you know, millions
Speaker 2: of people watch this show. But I'm like, oh shit,
Speaker 2: I was like, this guy is into some tantric stuff,
Speaker 2: Like this guy is like in the cult, but he's
Speaker 2: in the mountains.
Speaker 1: The regular person thinking, was this guy a freaking We're like,
Speaker 1: this guy is a freaking.
Speaker 2: I've seen him with Freemason rings on two on these shows, bro,
Speaker 2: Like the shows that you wouldn't even expect like that
Speaker 2: are sometimes.
Speaker 1: They those shows are literally made up just to give
Speaker 1: those motherfuckers something to do and some money. But it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: you're in the club, but we got to give you
Speaker 1: something to do right here, showers will watch it. But
Speaker 1: all right? Reality TV?
Speaker 2: Yeah reality right, the hyper reality you know John Ball's
Speaker 2: yard simula simulation.
Speaker 1: You know, who was kind of big on first starting
Speaker 1: that reality TV for us? Who Trump was one of
Speaker 1: the first out there. Russian reality Yeah, yeah, people definitely.
Speaker 2: But it's like these people are caricatures right when they're
Speaker 2: on these shows, like they're different people. Even the concept
Speaker 2: of acting itself is a sort of a cult thing,
Speaker 2: you know. I obviously I have Nick Cage behind me.
Speaker 2: He's talked about this sort of shamanism that he does.
Speaker 2: I did an episode with his son where Yeah, with
Speaker 2: Nick Cage's son where shout out to Western Cage where
Speaker 2: he told me he had to he one time he
Speaker 2: almost got possessed, essentially, like he had to bury his
Speaker 2: care character, bro to get rid of him from like
Speaker 2: being inside of him.
Speaker 1: Bro.
Speaker 2: These people are opening up themselves too, God knows what.
Speaker 1: You know what I did? You know you went to
Speaker 1: David Lynch at all the Twin Peaks and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've Oh, I think I've gotten up to season
Speaker 2: the end of season two, but I won't be honest
Speaker 2: with you, Bro, I haven't seen the whole thing. I
Speaker 2: haven't seen the movie. I'm right before going into where
Speaker 2: I can watch the first movie of the Devil Walks
Speaker 2: with Me or whatever it was Firewalking.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna be honest.
Speaker 2: With you, Nick, and shout out to Isaac Wisehaw because
Speaker 2: he goes hard in the pain. When it comes to
Speaker 2: Twin Peaks, I don't see the hype.
Speaker 1: Oh, I can understand that.
Speaker 2: I don't see the hype behind that.
Speaker 1: Second season kind of sucked too.
Speaker 2: I thought the second season, No, the first season is
Speaker 2: an initiation if you can grind through that. Yeah, you're ready.
Speaker 2: Second season, getting towards the end, getting kind of weird
Speaker 2: right towards the vase. He told me that I'm I'm
Speaker 2: right where it's like, this is Twin Peaks. I haven't
Speaker 2: finished it, but he told me that I'm there, like
Speaker 2: I'm at the end of season two. Then season three
Speaker 2: is off the wall. Yeah, craziness, like get out of here,
Speaker 2: this is this is wild, right, So but I don't
Speaker 2: understand the hype because I don't see that crazy bro like,
Speaker 2: I don't know maybe true.
Speaker 1: No, I get you on that. It's it has to
Speaker 1: be I guess for you. One thing I will say,
Speaker 1: just to give it some give the guy some slack.
Speaker 1: The last I think like three or four episodes of
Speaker 1: season two David Lynch did even direct, so you can
Speaker 1: give him slack on that one. He had already left
Speaker 1: because he was upset the project and then came back.
Speaker 1: But so something we were talking about letting things in
Speaker 1: and you were saying that Nicholas Cage's son said whatever.
Speaker 1: I was watching an interview with David Lynch and it
Speaker 1: was right after like the whole stuff. I think Weinstein,
Speaker 1: maybe Epstein came out and they had asked him, like
Speaker 1: his opinion on that. He really didn't say much about it,
Speaker 1: but he was just saying that he understands that a
Speaker 1: lot of that's going on. And he's like, you know,
Speaker 1: if how did he say it? He said something to
Speaker 1: the fact that he provides a safe place. He says,
Speaker 1: you have to understand people are coming here and allowing
Speaker 1: things to come within them. You need to provide a
Speaker 1: safe place with that. And I was like, Yo, this
Speaker 1: dude just said what this guy's admitting, Like, like, what
Speaker 1: do you what are you taking? Taking your character on
Speaker 1: and invoking it in I mean, that's.
Speaker 2: The whole that's the whole concept of Twin Peaks possession.
Speaker 1: So I thought it was interesting that he said that. Then,
Speaker 1: like what you were saying, allowing things into you? Sometimes
Speaker 1: I think these characters, you know, maybe might be something
Speaker 1: behind them. I think that, well, I just really become
Speaker 1: that character almost to an extent.
Speaker 2: I couldn't. I'm gonna be honest with you, bro, I
Speaker 2: don't think I could be friends with an actor because
Speaker 2: how would you know when they're being genuine not right?
Speaker 1: It could be just like a lion liberal, like just
Speaker 1: fucking bullshit. In your face.
Speaker 2: That's a politician, bro. I mean, politicians can tell you
Speaker 2: one thing to your face and just like scam you.
Speaker 2: So I don't think I could be friends with with
Speaker 2: Like how would you know if that's even the real person?
Speaker 2: Like almost like you know, Nick Cage talks about it
Speaker 2: preparing himself and and you know, kind of sort of
Speaker 2: method acting. And one of his latest movies that he
Speaker 2: put out, uh the uh Daddy Long Legs not Daddy
Speaker 2: Long Long Legs, was kind of sort of I don't
Speaker 2: know if you've seen that where we gotta check that
Speaker 2: movie out, but I've heard it. It was kind of
Speaker 2: crazy like that where he became. He even had like
Speaker 2: special effects, like like a mask on essentially like this
Speaker 2: he was he wasn't truly him. But I went to
Speaker 2: go see that movie in theaters, bro, and after the fact, right,
Speaker 2: I had no idea what it was about on you
Speaker 2: was a horror movie, but I took I took my
Speaker 2: wife with me.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: She was pissed because she doesn't like movies that are
Speaker 2: about like possession and like demons and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: She was pissed because it was about that. And I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I promise you I know it was gonna be like this.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have thought that that was what the movie
Speaker 1: was about, bro, because I've seen the coming attractions this
Speaker 1: movie crazy, but I didn't think that.
Speaker 2: When I was in the theater, like made my heart,
Speaker 2: like I felt weird, right, Like I felt weird. And
Speaker 2: I'm watching this movie and at the end of the
Speaker 2: movie's like heyl say and heyl say, and like this craziness, Bro,
Speaker 2: like this crazy ass shit. And then it come to
Speaker 2: find out there are sounds in the movie that you hear,
Speaker 2: right you're talking about, like hearing your name and shit.
Speaker 2: Sometimes I'll hear my sometimes I hear sometimes I hear
Speaker 2: my name, Bro. I don't know about you, but like
Speaker 2: I'll hear my name be called in the distance or something,
Speaker 2: and I'll turn around there's nobody there. I don't know
Speaker 2: if I'm if I'm skit sell yet, but I've had
Speaker 2: it happen to me, so uh, in this movie, there's sounds,
Speaker 2: like the soundtrack is crazy and there's like these weird
Speaker 2: sounds that you hear. Come to find out, after I
Speaker 2: watched them, we did some research on it turns out
Speaker 2: that the directors that directed the movie put backtracking in
Speaker 2: the movie and they put sounds like messages in the
Speaker 2: movie after Like so the sounds that we were hearing
Speaker 2: were actually work. You can take it, play it backwards
Speaker 2: and it was actually a message. Oh backward, yeah, backmasking,
Speaker 2: so which Crowley did and all that he was, you know,
Speaker 2: telling people to think backwards and listen to things backwards,
Speaker 2: the Beatles and all these crazy things. I even heard
Speaker 2: Lil Wayne sometimes that they I don't know, like the
Speaker 2: early days of YouTube, where it was like Lil Wayne,
Speaker 2: play it backwards and you can hear a message in
Speaker 2: and it was like this whole Sometimes I think that's
Speaker 2: like a paradolia type of thing, where you can hear
Speaker 2: things if you think that's what you're hearing.
Speaker 1: Right. Yeah, some of the you know, it's funny, some
Speaker 1: of the special intros that I've made for certain shows,
Speaker 1: I've actually done that to see if anybody would have
Speaker 1: to play it backwards and be like, oh, I heard
Speaker 1: that you put that in there?
Speaker 2: Is that what you sent me to You're like, this
Speaker 2: is the occult? And I was like, what the fuck
Speaker 2: is No, I don't.
Speaker 1: Know if that one had to I can't remember when
Speaker 1: I sent you, but there's a lot of the ones
Speaker 1: there is, there's stuff backwards. I'll be totally honest with you.
Speaker 1: I think any prison here.
Speaker 2: I put things in my work that I've only had
Speaker 2: one person tell me that they caught it, and they hadn't.
Speaker 2: Nobody has caught it since then, but it was only
Speaker 2: one guy. I don't know how he caught it, but
Speaker 2: he caught it. And I have other things that I
Speaker 2: haven't talked about publicly that I can show you after.
Speaker 1: That's cool.
Speaker 2: That's part of like my synchronicities of like, yo, this
Speaker 2: is bizarre, right, things that would have never happened if
Speaker 2: I didn't like put these stupid things in your work.
Speaker 2: And that's that's the kind of a I consider myself
Speaker 2: like a a medic occultist, right, like I'm a medic
Speaker 2: magician of you will where I use memes, I use art, right,
Speaker 2: and I sometimes you know, I'll put thirty three pages
Speaker 2: or eighty eight pages or thirty three.
Speaker 1: Font like stupid shit like there, yo, I was just
Speaker 1: gonna say, when it comes to new numbers, I will
Speaker 1: do that with fun spacing where I'm putting stuff on
Speaker 1: fading of transitions with video. Oh yeah, I will use
Speaker 1: the fuck out of thirty three, eighty eight, seventeen. I'll
Speaker 1: be totally honest, three.
Speaker 2: To sixteen, Like I use all bro, you can use.
Speaker 1: Those numbers off. I even set the audio to a
Speaker 1: full forty eight at eighty whatever just to keep going
Speaker 1: with the fours in the eighths.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, so I definitely do that. And again
Speaker 2: if it does something or not, don't.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know if I do do it.
Speaker 2: So there's probably some of my listeners experiencing poultry guys
Speaker 2: activity and shit, and they're just what the hell is
Speaker 2: going on. So one of the things that I've had
Speaker 2: that I haven't had happen in a little bit, but
Speaker 2: I talked about it on a podcast on Tony Merco's
Speaker 2: show Confessionals, where for a little bit I was seeing
Speaker 2: like I don't know if I would call them shadow people,
Speaker 2: but like shadows in the corner of my eyes, like
Speaker 2: the peripheral vision, but like some have that some crazy ones, bro,
Speaker 2: like where I'm like, oh, there's somebody pulling up on
Speaker 2: me right now, like let me turn nobody there.
Speaker 1: There was something like actually there.
Speaker 2: Well that's yeah, Like it was like it was coming,
Speaker 2: you know, up on me so and I felt that
Speaker 2: I've experienced that a few times. When I said that
Speaker 2: on that show, a lot of people reached down. They're like, Yo,
Speaker 2: I'm experiencing the same thing. But again, at the same time,
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's you know these I don't
Speaker 2: know if you've ever seen the human resonance posts that
Speaker 2: people are like, oh, there's a spike, and then you
Speaker 2: see all the comment Yeah, I'm feeling it in my
Speaker 2: nipples or I can feel hot crashes or feel yeah,
Speaker 2: my balls are Like everyone's like commenting that they're feeling
Speaker 2: the same thing, Like are you truly feeling something or
Speaker 2: are you just feeling something because you saw the post?
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, Like you can influence people
Speaker 2: like that. And again, dude, I have never had anything
Speaker 2: like paranormal that I know of happened to me, like substantial,
Speaker 2: like crazy, like I've seen a UFO right, Like I've
Speaker 2: seen one. And the only reason what.
Speaker 1: I thought I've actually seen I saw something in the
Speaker 1: sky moving like you shouldn't be I've seen that.
Speaker 2: The only reason I know that it was legit because
Speaker 2: mind I told I told you, my wife doesn't believe
Speaker 2: in this shit. She was she saw it.
Speaker 1: Oh that's right. Yeah, so yeah, if you're kind of religious,
Speaker 1: made even not believe in UFOs.
Speaker 2: So I wasn't even I know that. I don't know
Speaker 2: what I saw. So therefore to the UFO R it
Speaker 2: was fine and it was going across. There was you.
Speaker 2: I was notified to me. So and my son saw
Speaker 2: it too. My son was actually the one that saw
Speaker 2: it first. So he was like five at the time.
Speaker 2: So he looks up, He's like, Daddy, was that And
Speaker 2: I'm like, what the hell is that? You know, what
Speaker 2: the hell is even that? You know you've seen that?
Speaker 2: That that that meme?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 2: And I was like, what the And we looked up
Speaker 2: and it was completely silent, like this orange orb zipped
Speaker 2: across the sky bro just film. My wife was there.
Speaker 2: We were in the backyard, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So now at your own house, you didn't have to
Speaker 1: like you want to drive and nothing out to stop.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was alone, and I told you that story,
Speaker 2: you'd be like, this guy's full of shit, right, like
Speaker 2: maybe this guy you know, maybe not. But the fact
Speaker 2: that I was there and I have I have a
Speaker 2: video of my son directly after I didn't take a
Speaker 2: video of it because it was I was going by
Speaker 2: too fast. But I took a video of my son
Speaker 2: directly after and like asked him, like what did you see?
Speaker 2: But then he got crazy. He's like, oh yeah, and
Speaker 2: the little alien men came down on the ground. Like
Speaker 2: all right, bro, all right, chill, let me turn this
Speaker 2: off because you just sucked it up. He's a five
Speaker 2: year old boy, bro, So I'm like, Yo, this is
Speaker 2: gonna be crazy. It's gonna be like a microphone dude. Yeah,
Speaker 2: He's like, yeah, the aliens came down and they started
Speaker 2: walking around the yard. I'm like, what the fuck, dude,
Speaker 2: come on, man, he's definitely my son, you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying. Like, so that's the only thing I've had.
Speaker 2: And then obviously like the crazy synchronicities, you know, as
Speaker 2: far as messing with this sort of stuff. But it
Speaker 2: gets to a point where, you know, I haven't joined
Speaker 2: any lodges or anything like that. I think that's all
Speaker 2: that's super gay, right, or making the jump to actually
Speaker 2: join an organization. But for some people, they can't fight
Speaker 2: the itch, bro and they read about these sort of
Speaker 2: things and they they want to take the leap and
Speaker 2: then they're in it. And then once you join an organization,
Speaker 2: especially in this community, you're tainted. Bro, you got that's
Speaker 2: a scarlet letter for life, Like oh you were a
Speaker 2: free Nison Brown. Oh yeah, you're talking about the Yeah,
Speaker 2: I will have.
Speaker 1: To say that is something which I'm surprised. I mean
Speaker 1: there's been a few people, but yeah, maybe two or three.
Speaker 1: I've never really dealt with too much bullshit because of
Speaker 1: the OTO's truth. I don't know why I actually thought
Speaker 1: I would deal with more of that, like more backlash
Speaker 1: because you're talking Yeah, yeah, sometimes I think maybe because
Speaker 1: it's just like I don't even know what the fun
Speaker 1: he's saying, So I can't even argue the guy who
Speaker 1: says Runner's a dick.
Speaker 2: So what's the whole what's the whole point of the OTO? Like,
Speaker 2: what's there? It's the lemic right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well yeah it's too I mean the whole thing
Speaker 1: isn't you know, come to have a magical experience, know
Speaker 1: your will and to do it. The whole point of
Speaker 1: the OTO though, I mean.
Speaker 2: Like you're in there because like the occult is all
Speaker 2: about getting right, getting as close to the Godhead as possible, right.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I would say, it's very Kabbala based to
Speaker 1: the Oto. You know, my experience there they do the
Speaker 1: Gnostic Mass, that's kind of like their thing of church
Speaker 1: that's supposed to be showing like you know, again the
Speaker 1: man crossing the Abyss, so having a magical experience, you know.
Speaker 1: There they do that. They used to do classes. Sometimes
Speaker 1: they would do history classes on all occultists. They would
Speaker 1: do class this is on basic shit like you know
Speaker 1: how to make a magic candle or some shit like that,
Speaker 1: or you know talispins or sigils. But for the most part,
Speaker 1: I mean I stayed on. I don't know why I
Speaker 1: even stayed as long as I did. I think at
Speaker 1: one point I actually thought like, oh, as silly as
Speaker 1: it sounds, I guess it's like it is almost like
Speaker 1: a badge, you know what I'm saying. To an extent,
Speaker 1: I guess like you feel cool, you feel a part
Speaker 1: of something, so you're gonna keep going. Even though I
Speaker 1: diver felt like I fit in. But I guess like
Speaker 1: my overall experience, I mean, you know, I went because
Speaker 1: I wanted to learn about different ideas of magic. Meeting
Speaker 1: other people that were practicing that I could bounce ideas
Speaker 1: off of but in my opinion, eventually you know again,
Speaker 1: one of the reasons why I left is because once
Speaker 1: I started having magical experiences, my opinion of that place
Speaker 1: changed greatly. It seems I don't know if it's the organization,
Speaker 1: if it's the people. Something goes wrong somewhere and it
Speaker 1: seems like they focus more on the handcuffs. They're actually
Speaker 1: stopping you from having a magical experience then actually going
Speaker 1: in the right direction. There was things like, you know,
Speaker 1: you talk about the homoculous in there. Not saying that
Speaker 1: the book is completely right. There are some things that
Speaker 1: I know for a fact is right because I have
Speaker 1: done some of the initiations. But in the Secret Rights
Speaker 1: of the Oto and one of the rituals, they do
Speaker 1: talk about the homo oculous. In my opinion, I think
Speaker 1: that place to an extent, if you stick around long enough,
Speaker 1: I think you're possibly a guinea pig for MKOTA experiments
Speaker 1: or you'll be providing it. Well.
Speaker 2: This plays directly into my latest research a little bit
Speaker 2: where i've you know, this ancient espionage essentially and right
Speaker 2: Crawley being a secret agent allegedly being able to establish
Speaker 2: lodges in other countries is just another way of infiltrating
Speaker 2: the government without actually having to make it. No, it's like, oh,
Speaker 2: what are they doing? Freedom of religion, freedom of expression
Speaker 2: or whatever. Here's a bunch of a bunch of bros
Speaker 2: hanging out. Meanwhile they're collecting information while they're there, and
Speaker 2: it's all occulted in the occult like, oh, oh, we're
Speaker 2: just doing right.
Speaker 1: I think. I think it is definitely information gathering too.
Speaker 2: And who always who always joins these places? Like usually
Speaker 2: old rich dudes who are bored as fuck, who want
Speaker 2: to hang out? Who wanted to you know?
Speaker 1: When I started thinking something was weird after I took
Speaker 1: the second degree initiation, you're available to do certain things.
Speaker 1: And one of them was like to be like this
Speaker 1: liaison with you, and like, fuck, what the fuck is
Speaker 1: this jerk Wolston name, it's like the beta whatever some
Speaker 1: dude who's like it that the O h O like
Speaker 1: top of the ot O and uh, it's like a
Speaker 1: volunteer thing that you can do and it looks good.
Speaker 1: And I had like thought about doing it because I
Speaker 1: was like it seems like easy. I just got to
Speaker 1: go on Skype and like talk to the guy for
Speaker 1: like an hour and I thought it was once a month,
Speaker 1: but it's still weird. I still thought it was weird.
Speaker 1: The guy's gonna talk to you and ask you, like,
Speaker 1: how's the lodge doing? And then I found out it
Speaker 1: was every week, and I was like, what the fuck
Speaker 1: does this dude need to ask me shit like that
Speaker 1: for every week? I'm like, what are you looking for?
Speaker 1: My man? Honestly, what's gonna change from one week to
Speaker 1: the next. Some bitch I didn't want to see what
Speaker 1: the tits out did the Gnostic Mass. We had some wine,
Speaker 1: we ate some cake of light, and we went the
Speaker 1: fuck home. What do you need? What are you looking for?
Speaker 1: You're looking for something. Now, you're gathering information. If you
Speaker 1: need to talk to somebody from that fucking lodge every week,
Speaker 1: what's going on here? You know? And then even after
Speaker 1: the second degree initiation, after you do that, they will
Speaker 1: even go into and tell you certain things that will
Speaker 1: actually be needed to be done for you to keep
Speaker 1: going up. And at one point you're handing over your
Speaker 1: shit to them. And if you're fucking in a relationship,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be with somebody in there. It turns into
Speaker 1: a cult. Something the fuck is wrong with that? Please Wow,
Speaker 1: to either get to the seventh or eighth degree, you
Speaker 1: were handing your shit over to them. Now there's another
Speaker 1: guy that i've Paul, you know, Paul Ravelli. I think
Speaker 1: he says the ninth and tenth though, because now this
Speaker 1: gets confused.
Speaker 2: How we did the show the other day.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. He had told me that once you
Speaker 1: get up to another higher degree, then everybody at that
Speaker 1: degree actually gets to split what the wealth of the
Speaker 1: OTO is. So now I don't know what the fuck's
Speaker 1: going on. So to me, it just seems very shady,
Speaker 1: my man and I again, there's just things that I've
Speaker 1: seen people do for initiations, just at that point they
Speaker 1: got your thumb on you in order to keep going
Speaker 1: after the fifth, to go from the fifth on, they
Speaker 1: have to even ask you. I can't even petition anymore.
Speaker 2: So, because this is bro, this is some serious stuff
Speaker 2: we'll be talking about, because is the OTO concerned.
Speaker 1: When I heard that, I knew for a fact. I'm
Speaker 1: not staying. You just told me I have to give
Speaker 1: you my shit. Fuck off, I'm not staying.
Speaker 2: Are they considered a religious organization?
Speaker 1: Yep, yes they are. They have all that tax breaks, dude, really, Yes,
Speaker 1: they have all that.
Speaker 2: It sounds a lot like scientology, dude, just a different name.
Speaker 1: You fucking take a look at Lamb. You already got
Speaker 1: a fucking alien. Look at the motherfucker. Yeah, scientology and
Speaker 1: womanism in this house probably. Yeah, so yo, and Crawley
Speaker 1: was obsessed. He was very impressed by Joseph Smith.
Speaker 2: Yes, I've heard I saw that recently.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So but what you mentioned about right having to report
Speaker 2: to this guy weekly not monthly weekly.
Speaker 1: That's I was like, Yo, I don't want to talk
Speaker 1: to this dude. What's a week. It's kind of weird.
Speaker 1: But anyway, it was just like, you know, if you
Speaker 1: do this sometimes I'll get it off your case because
Speaker 1: like the longer there, the height you go up, they
Speaker 1: want you to start getting involved in more shit. And
Speaker 1: I was like, I really not. I really don't want
Speaker 1: to have to go to the lodge to do that.
Speaker 1: So I guess I could do a skype call once
Speaker 1: a month, and I was like, once a week. The fuck. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So he's definitely looking for something. And you know we
Speaker 2: mentioned earlier people with schizophrene, you know, people with these
Speaker 2: weird aspects to themselves where you know, what if they're
Speaker 2: looking for the perfect Canada. How you're saying to induce
Speaker 2: in this micultra conditioning of like, yo, this nick guy
Speaker 2: looks a little bit more susceptible than this other guy. Right,
Speaker 2: Let's try and groom him or whatever to try and
Speaker 2: get him deeper and be our you know, our watchdog there.
Speaker 2: And maybe they'll start asking you things about people who
Speaker 2: were there, like, hey, how does so and so react
Speaker 2: when these things happen?
Speaker 1: So and you know, it's funny. The two people that
Speaker 1: I personally knew that had that position, one was gay
Speaker 1: and in Antifa, and the other one was three hundred
Speaker 1: pounds and she let dudes run trains on her at
Speaker 1: the note Cons every other year at the show. Even
Speaker 1: the people that I know that had that position obviously
Speaker 1: are fucked up. And I'm even wondering if that's why. No,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, those people would be easy
Speaker 1: to fucking manipulate.
Speaker 2: I hate to say it, Yeah, yeah, no, one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: I mean being told to think certain fucking crazy things.
Speaker 2: We were talking about New York and how now there
Speaker 2: are you know the people who live there like they're zombies.
Speaker 2: They're in this sort of uh almost like a Stockholm
Speaker 2: syndrome sort of thing where like they what is so
Speaker 2: special about being in New York. It's like it's a shithole, right,
Speaker 2: Like that's all it is, but people.
Speaker 1: Want to do it.
Speaker 2: But maybe it's got something to do with the architecture.
Speaker 2: Maybe it's got something to do with the lay lines,
Speaker 2: the way the city is set up. Like I'm serious though, bro,
Speaker 2: Like think about it, Like maybe it's got something to
Speaker 2: do with that, because some people are drawn to these places.
Speaker 2: Like everyone comes to Florida to die. That's what everyone
Speaker 2: comes to Florida for. You know, when you start.
Speaker 1: Florida has the most of too, I think in the
Speaker 1: United States amount of underground water running.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, aqua first everywhere. Bro, it's a syeah.
Speaker 1: I wonder if I don't know.
Speaker 2: Well, Florida is the Garden of Eden, Bro. I mean
Speaker 2: that's a whole other thing. But the you know, it's
Speaker 2: something about being drawn to these forces. So but the
Speaker 2: fact that you're telling me this of you know, it
Speaker 2: just makes me think of like Free Masons and all
Speaker 2: these other organizations that are the Freemasons also a religious organization,
Speaker 2: Like how does that work?
Speaker 1: Fleam is actually considered religion? Wow? Yeah, dude, Yo, they
Speaker 1: understand how to make money. Man.
Speaker 2: That was the whole thing with al Ron Hubbard too, right.
Speaker 2: I mean, if you make a religion, you're you're gonna
Speaker 2: be rich or something along those lines. That's what he
Speaker 2: said something other. But again, these religions running intelligence operations,
Speaker 2: like that's one hundred percent of intelligence operation.
Speaker 1: You know what you can do? You ever hear a
Speaker 1: guide Star it's a website. No, You go on there
Speaker 1: and you type in like certain like you could type
Speaker 1: in Freemason lodgers or maybe certain areas of Orto templely
Speaker 1: Orientice and it's actually a tax site, and you'll see
Speaker 1: how much money these motherfuckers a claimant, dude, Loyal Order
Speaker 1: of the Moose people are like, who the fuck is that?
Speaker 1: Billions of dollars? My man, Loyal Order of the movie,
Speaker 1: there's millions of Yeah, when we covered them, we had
Speaker 1: already covered the Gesters, the Shriners in some other order,
Speaker 1: and like they all look broke. And when we cover
Speaker 1: the Loyal Order of the Moose, like, yo, these guys
Speaker 1: got hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: coming from where.
Speaker 2: The hell's the Loyal Order of the Moose.
Speaker 1: Staying they got a half half a billion. But the Freemasons,
Speaker 1: the gestures of the Shrine, Shriners, who was considered to
Speaker 1: be they ain't got jack ship. But all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: these guys do. There's fucking money.
Speaker 2: Being Ah, there's a bunch of them here in Florida.
Speaker 1: Bro, look at that stuff. You can see how much
Speaker 1: money they have.
Speaker 2: Man, there's three, there's three already here in Orlando, right
Speaker 2: off the bat boom, this eighteen eighty eight baby, the
Speaker 2: Moose Loyal Order of Moose fraternity. And you know it's
Speaker 2: interesting because.
Speaker 1: The Moose Heart Illinoise, they own that town. Moose Heart, Yo,
Speaker 1: it's theirs.
Speaker 2: Whoa, it's crazy, so so residential child care facility.
Speaker 1: That's so weird, Bro, I think I believe it in that.
Speaker 1: I think whatever that thing that manson was in the
Speaker 1: Boys and Girls town or whatever, I think that might
Speaker 1: be one of those there or something like that in
Speaker 1: there too.
Speaker 2: The Child's city. What that's bizarre because when you look
Speaker 2: when you look at when you look at Freemasons and
Speaker 2: like the Shriners, and like how they build children's hospitals.
Speaker 2: They're in circuses like they're, bro, that's so weird.
Speaker 1: Man. Fun fact about the Shriners. Their number one major,
Speaker 1: the number one surgery that they do, or at least
Speaker 1: there was a few years ago, is removing spina biffdia
Speaker 1: sacks so for kids backs, baby's backs, And that's the
Speaker 1: number one ingredient in estate Lord's night. Zerom is fermented
Speaker 1: spin of biffdia that comes off.
Speaker 2: Do this, look at this. In nineteen ninety four, four
Speaker 2: Moose Heart employees were convicted of sexually abusing children. Two
Speaker 2: years later, a Moose Heart employee was convicted of possession
Speaker 2: of CP.
Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, dude, they got that's all Moosladge stuff. Dude, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know they getting Mouseladge money. Bro.
Speaker 2: So so okay, all right, so we have you know,
Speaker 2: Elon Musk with the whole doge and all this other stuff, right,
Speaker 2: which which is interesting because dog is is God backwards,
Speaker 2: right doge, and he's running like this whole operation where
Speaker 2: he's kind of exposing you know, everyone getting a kickback
Speaker 2: from like these different organizations and money. And this to me, bro,
Speaker 2: all it sounds like is that is like a money
Speaker 2: laundering operation. But again, Nigga doesn't answer the question is
Speaker 2: the occult faking gay? Can I some in? Can I
Speaker 2: join the typhony no teo and summon Cuthulhu to come
Speaker 2: and aid me in my real world affairs?
Speaker 1: No? Not really. I think that aspect of it is
Speaker 1: mostly faking gay.
Speaker 2: So no, Cuthul, I can't summon him, and good luck?
Speaker 1: What do you do and let me know how you
Speaker 1: did it? Please?
Speaker 2: Yeah? But but chaos magic is sort of you can
Speaker 2: assign things for a second, right, use it for your operation,
Speaker 2: and then ditch it after a second, Like would that
Speaker 2: be possible where I can kind of assign, you know,
Speaker 2: Cuthulhu as a placeholder for let's say Venus or Saturn
Speaker 2: or something, and then invoke that and kind of, I
Speaker 2: don't know, take on that persona and then just let
Speaker 2: it go after the factor.
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's more like an eggregorous vitory
Speaker 1: you're trying to like explain maybe.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, Like you know, I've heard, I've come
Speaker 2: understand and correct me if I'm wrong. I've come to
Speaker 2: understand that chaos magic is like the only thing you
Speaker 2: need is.
Speaker 1: Just will and belief, Like, oh yeah.
Speaker 2: Fuck the rest. You don't need a ceremony, You don't
Speaker 2: need like the garb or nothing that, none of that.
Speaker 2: It's just like do it and be done with it.
Speaker 2: Do your ritual with Super Mario bros. If you want to.
Speaker 2: And then after the fact.
Speaker 1: Oh I hear, Okay, I get what you get it.
Speaker 1: It's just an association for something, yes, yeah, yes, yeah
Speaker 1: I believe that. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So again, the more I look at it, I think
Speaker 2: that the true occult knowledge, the true dangerous knowledge, is
Speaker 2: the whole blackmail operation.
Speaker 1: Bro.
Speaker 2: The fact that you're reporting to that guy once a month,
Speaker 2: once a it's a week. I was like, that's even worse.
Speaker 2: Once a week. It's trying to get dirwn people.
Speaker 1: Bro, you know what I'm saying, Like, that's what I was,
Speaker 1: just like, what the fuck that is? Weird? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I know, that's that's it. So another person to.
Speaker 1: That, I said, was even doing that sexual shit. You know,
Speaker 1: they didn't even know how to do any rich rules
Speaker 1: and they were already a third degree. I was like,
Speaker 1: how the fuck do you even get anyway when you
Speaker 1: don't even know how to do a ritual? Quite obviously,
Speaker 1: I found out a noticon she lays on her back.
Speaker 2: Well that's the thing, dude, Like even in right, my
Speaker 2: son is in karate. I know that the dojo that
Speaker 2: he goes to, some kids do get held back and
Speaker 2: then they don't pass their test day, you know. But essentially,
Speaker 2: and I'm sure it's the same in these organizations. You
Speaker 2: pay a fee and you do your initiation, right how
Speaker 2: they do it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's about fifty bucks.
Speaker 2: It's one hundred and fifty bucks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's how much. I think that was about the
Speaker 1: average from the ones that I did. Yeah, and it
Speaker 1: really I think one time I got a I got
Speaker 1: a rope in a brass coin. The second time I
Speaker 1: gotta I've got triangle patch really wasn't worth one hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty bucks. You do get to bring some things
Speaker 1: home though.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I mean definitely. But like how you're saying,
Speaker 2: maybe getting together with people who are of the same
Speaker 2: mindset and all that stuff, but then you just start
Speaker 2: to realize, like, man, these people are fucking retards, you know,
Speaker 2: and they don't really actually know anything. They're just LARPing,
Speaker 2: which is which is.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of that there. There was a lot
Speaker 1: of that. A lot of people are there basically just
Speaker 1: the worship crowle.
Speaker 2: Well, it's a certain demographic, right, I'm sure that those
Speaker 2: people who were there were cause playing at the comic
Speaker 2: con playing Dungeon the Dragons. Come on, dude, they invited
Speaker 2: to go play Dungeons and Dragons with them one night.
Speaker 1: And you're like, this is too much.
Speaker 2: I'm not into this ship. So it's that sort of demographic.
Speaker 2: But who was it that I was reading about. I
Speaker 2: was reading about somebody that, uh, Joseph Leshouski, I think
Speaker 2: is the Levuski. I don't know how to say his
Speaker 2: last name, but he was allegedly the guy he worked
Speaker 2: with Israel Gardi, and he was allegedly a guy who
Speaker 2: had he was known for allegedly right and poking a
Speaker 2: demon to like actual manifestation, like you know, like actual
Speaker 2: you know, in front of him.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: Of course, all of these guys don't take pictures of
Speaker 2: these things. He also said he created a homunculus in
Speaker 2: the eighties too, and then he said when he tried
Speaker 2: to take a picture of it, couldn't focus, so he
Speaker 2: didn't get a picture of it. But you know, he
Speaker 2: wrote all the instructions down, and you know he was
Speaker 2: talking to Regardi about it, and Freder Albertus and all
Speaker 2: these other guys you know, in the eighties out in Utah, right,
Speaker 2: which is weird, right Utah and the Mormons out there.
Speaker 2: But this guy, uh, he wrote about somebody who talked
Speaker 2: about I think somebody who wrote his his forward or
Speaker 2: something to the book that was like, man, I regret
Speaker 2: looking into the occult. I should have focused all more
Speaker 2: in my life on making money instead of looking into
Speaker 2: this shit because it leads to nothing and you're just
Speaker 2: left with nothing at the end of the day. Like
Speaker 2: how you're saying, like you can go down the rabbit
Speaker 2: hole and you just come out the other side the same.
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I do think there's a lot with that
Speaker 1: with the occult too.
Speaker 2: But it's probably done on purpose because the skills to
Speaker 2: start a lodge and just take other people's shit. It's
Speaker 2: a cult.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, look at the guy who created Wicka.
Speaker 1: He was actually a disciple, well disciple he studied underneath Croley,
Speaker 1: and Croly even gave him permission to open up an
Speaker 1: Oto lodge and he said, nah, I guess I'll go
Speaker 1: start Wicka Blake because it made more money and the
Speaker 1: lodge would have Really yeah, I think all that was
Speaker 1: just to make money. I mean even even I'll be
Speaker 1: telling you even the oto. They consider Wicka like Thelema Light,
Speaker 1: like hew Cure.
Speaker 2: The craft that was. Let's see here Wica just in
Speaker 2: twentieth century hermetic motifs for theological and virtual purposes.
Speaker 1: Right. Yeah, well General Gardner, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Gardner says here. Doreen Valentin joined Gardner in nineteen fifties. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Drug Gardner a retired British civil servant. Huh, he said.
Speaker 2: This guy worked with Crowley.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Crowley had given him permission to open up a launch.
Speaker 2: Guy looks like he had a cock ring one hundred percent, dude,
Speaker 2: like on his actual like a prince alb or whatever
Speaker 2: they call it. This guy, Bro, look at this guy's face.
Speaker 1: Yo, he's bucked out looking.
Speaker 2: Look at this guy. This guy looks like a fucking
Speaker 2: he did. This guy was part of the Royal Order
Speaker 2: of the Moose.
Speaker 1: Yeah, where'd you go?
Speaker 2: Where do you go? Where do you go?
Speaker 1: There?
Speaker 2: He is? Look at this guy?
Speaker 1: Bro? Wait, you know, and that guy I think I
Speaker 1: think he would actually like do his stuff like naked
Speaker 1: out in the woods too. Oh.
Speaker 2: Bro, there's a bunch of weirdos. Man Like, dude, I'm
Speaker 2: kind of shook with this moose Heart thing. Moose Heart
Speaker 2: Illinois and then the Home for Children. Bro, that's so weird, man,
Speaker 2: look at this. The Children's Museum Zoo Yo.
Speaker 1: He did like a three part series on them. It
Speaker 1: was fucking weird.
Speaker 2: On the moon Art, yeah, we were like, yo, what, Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's crazy bro.
Speaker 1: You know who was associated with that. That's how we
Speaker 1: even got interested in a John Wayne Gacy into Wika
Speaker 1: No Moosehart he was. He was using the Moose Lodge
Speaker 1: really yeah. Yeah, he's even He's even taking pictures in
Speaker 1: a parade with Carter's wife. He was also very political too.
Speaker 2: The serial killer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's that's what got us into even looking
Speaker 1: into moosart is because we found out he was involved
Speaker 1: in it. We're like, oh, we gotta look into.
Speaker 2: That because you know what, I think that. I think
Speaker 2: that serial killers are part of this whole thing too.
Speaker 2: Oh they're programmed and and they turned a blind eye
Speaker 2: to see how it evolves. It's it's amunculus, bro, because
Speaker 2: like you can either use the homunculus to acquire godlike
Speaker 2: powers or you can release it into the wild and
Speaker 2: let it do its thing.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: That's yes, And I think that's how Dahmer got away
Speaker 2: with so many things for so long and a lot
Speaker 2: of these guys got a lot. You're telling me he
Speaker 2: was political talking to press and ship.
Speaker 1: Yeah, h what.
Speaker 2: John Way, that's the.
Speaker 1: You know he even like he was involved with the
Speaker 1: JCS when he was in prison, and that's like some
Speaker 1: other type.
Speaker 2: Of thing as a clown.
Speaker 1: Yeah with the balloons that says thirty three flavors on it.
Speaker 1: Really yeah, yeah, yo. He he had a kid who
Speaker 1: worked for him, Robert Pasky, I think it was his name.
Speaker 1: And that guy connects to uh Norman, this guy John
Speaker 1: John Norman I think who was down in Texas that
Speaker 1: was running a child sex ring. It was it was
Speaker 1: so crazy that like he actually had like do you
Speaker 1: know those old recipe draws you know your parents or
Speaker 1: your grandmother would have with all those cards in him
Speaker 1: for the little recipes. Yeah, they actually had people and
Speaker 1: names and stuff that like were you know, there were
Speaker 1: clients and the cops when they even busted him. You
Speaker 1: can't even listen to cops say there was people's names
Speaker 1: in there that he even came out and mentioned him.
Speaker 1: People would be shocked.
Speaker 2: Bro it says here John Wayne Gacy, American serial killer
Speaker 2: and sex defender who raped tortured or murdered at least
Speaker 2: thirty three young men and boys. Yep, that thirty three again.
Speaker 1: Bro.
Speaker 2: He became known as the Killer Clown Dude to his
Speaker 2: public performances as a clown prior to the discovery of
Speaker 2: his crimes. Yeahs, dude, Eh, that's crazy man. The fact,
Speaker 2: you know, I'm sure you've seen like the NEPHLM is
Speaker 2: as Clowns, a series that that guy Paul has. But
Speaker 2: when you start looking into this again, I think that
Speaker 2: the the actual co knowledge is that blackmail, right, Like
Speaker 2: the how you're saying this guy was it from this
Speaker 2: case that they found the recipe books with people's names
Speaker 2: in it.
Speaker 1: That guy had gotten busted. I think it was just
Speaker 1: like there were two separate, you know, scenarios, and I
Speaker 1: think they ended up realizing because of drop pass game
Speaker 1: maybe a few other things, that they actually connected and
Speaker 1: they might have actually known each other. It's a believe
Speaker 1: it or not. It's something that came out a few
Speaker 1: years ago with like Peacock when they did a series
Speaker 1: on Gacy. They even get into this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's something about, right, like serial killers in
Speaker 2: society that they're like kind of infatuated with like wanting
Speaker 2: to how many Domer documentaries are there? Right, like people
Speaker 2: think he's hot and then that one, that one.
Speaker 1: That's another reason why I think we know these is
Speaker 1: because it's like, all right, they're kind of in an
Speaker 1: experiment and we're gonna make money off of selling it
Speaker 1: to to the public too. That's why I think it's
Speaker 1: even put in our faces so much. Yeah, bro, they
Speaker 1: all bullshit and they're they're just being Soltos.
Speaker 2: Oh bro, yeah, that's.
Speaker 1: There's certain things, certain sick ship that another human being
Speaker 1: will do that you won't hear jack shit about. But
Speaker 1: what's the reason this one gets picked? And when you
Speaker 1: start looking at him, they never make any sense. There's
Speaker 1: it was like weird shady shit going on.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, like the like the story of how they
Speaker 2: you know, yeah, like you know, I used Dahmer a lot,
Speaker 2: but he had that one Chinese guy who was trying
Speaker 2: to turn into a zombie h And also Dahmer was
Speaker 2: into the occult bro. He was making an altar that
Speaker 2: he never finished with their goals, Like they never talked
Speaker 2: about that where they're like, yo, so what are you
Speaker 2: doing with this? So Dahmer skull alter and he was
Speaker 2: trying to like make uh a zombie with that Chinese guy.
Speaker 2: But he drew his altar. This is what allegedly would
Speaker 2: it looked like. And he said he hadn't gone enough
Speaker 2: skulls for it. But here you go right here, Yeah,
Speaker 2: this is it. So Dahmer's Temple of skulls. Bro what
Speaker 2: no painted skeletons, black table, blue lights.
Speaker 1: That's interesting.
Speaker 2: You got like some candles and stuff here, painted scale. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so and under that's gonna be. That was gonna be real.
Speaker 2: Look at somebody that black table was up higher. It
Speaker 2: almost looks like the Stellar the revelation that we're looking
Speaker 2: at before. Oh yeah, yeah. But let's say that this
Speaker 2: was like some you know, Mike Ultra patient gone wild
Speaker 2: and they were just studying him from the shadows, because
Speaker 2: we know that the government would do something like that, right,
Speaker 2: do that with cults.
Speaker 1: I think they're involved with cults and like, oh, let's
Speaker 1: see what how much you can mindfuck these people, what
Speaker 1: you can make them do? And then they just come
Speaker 1: in and like, oh yeah, we got to stop this now.
Speaker 2: And I think that that's what the whole study Alien
Speaker 2: disclosure thing that's coming out now too, because if you
Speaker 2: look at it. A lot of these religions scientology and
Speaker 2: more are UFO cults. Yeah, Like I would even consider Thelima.
Speaker 1: A UFO cult, think about it and argue with that.
Speaker 1: I could argue with that what I'm saying, like your
Speaker 1: depiction of a gray Unfortunately, it does come from Crowley
Speaker 1: in a sense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're you're talking. You know, you were influenced. Now
Speaker 2: there's a distinction though, because Lamb was one thing and
Speaker 2: Iowas was another thing, and Iowas was the was the
Speaker 2: entity that gave him the Book of the Law, and
Speaker 2: Lamb was the thing he saw in his New York
Speaker 2: apartment that one day where he was doing the Amalantra working.
Speaker 1: And I think, like with an Nokia magic too, it
Speaker 1: could be wrong with that, Oh there you go. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it was something like he contacted with magic.
Speaker 2: Which is part of the OTO as well.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, they do, Yeah, they do kind of promote
Speaker 1: that it's kind of, you know, higher magic. I guess
Speaker 1: more advanced for sure.
Speaker 2: Because I've heard that's one of the most dangerous forms
Speaker 2: of magic and that it's Yeah, I honestly I see,
Speaker 2: like when it comes to my experiences, I think you've
Speaker 2: probably maybe heard it or maybe I've said certain things
Speaker 2: to my experience with magic, even my experiences I think
Speaker 2: are very basic.
Speaker 1: I do actually think Minocchio magic. I actually think you
Speaker 1: might be kind of sending yourself to specific places.
Speaker 2: Well, I believe it, dude. I think that kind of.
Speaker 1: Like why it's so like you know, water, water, air,
Speaker 1: water air, you know why it's so that that whole thing.
Speaker 1: I think it's very You're getting very pinpointing and specific
Speaker 1: on certain experiences.
Speaker 2: One of my dreams and anyone listening that wants to
Speaker 2: help fund the project, is to make a John Dineword
Speaker 2: Kelly movie or a series, right, I think that that
Speaker 2: would be a hit. There's nothing on that. No one's
Speaker 2: ever done it, you know. And I think that they
Speaker 2: were onto something. I think that they were even if
Speaker 2: again because I can't I can't help but think was
Speaker 2: it all bullshit? Right? Like that's the whole thing, Like,
Speaker 2: is it bullshit?
Speaker 1: Is it not? I think the new stuff? But they
Speaker 1: scammed people?
Speaker 2: You think they occulted it on liked they they left
Speaker 2: things out?
Speaker 1: You think, Yeah, I think they just told you what
Speaker 1: they wanted to know. Yeah, I do think that's a
Speaker 1: little bit of shilling going on, But I do think
Speaker 1: they are of the knowing. I do you think those
Speaker 1: guys are onto something?
Speaker 2: Because you got to remember that John dee knew about
Speaker 2: you know, Trithenius, which was the father of cryptography, which
Speaker 2: was all about hiding messages and writing. So who's to
Speaker 2: say that he did in occult it right? And I
Speaker 2: think that I think that maybe let's say that trust.
Speaker 1: Because I do think that goes on a lot too.
Speaker 1: I think things are ciphered.
Speaker 2: There you go. Let's say that it is real. Let's
Speaker 2: say that it does work. But the system that we
Speaker 2: have is flawed. And the reason that we're not initiates
Speaker 2: and we don't know the true secrets. We don't we
Speaker 2: don't know the secret word right of the temple? Whatever
Speaker 2: the hell is that the Freemasons say, right, we don't
Speaker 2: know how to build the temple because you're not initiated, right,
Speaker 2: So maybe it is a thing. And I think that
Speaker 2: part of the occult is about out transmitting information freely
Speaker 2: while encoding it. That's what alchemy is, right. You have
Speaker 2: the symbols, The symbols are there, Read them, bitch. Try
Speaker 2: You're not gonna know how because you're not initiated, right,
Speaker 2: So it's about putting it out front, but then only
Speaker 2: those right Max Heidel. I think it was that wrote
Speaker 2: to the initiate, the text means something completely different than
Speaker 2: to the non initiate.
Speaker 1: Yes, I agree with that.
Speaker 2: And they kind of see they see through it, right.
Speaker 1: I think was huge with that too, you.
Speaker 2: Think so so so have you ever seen the concept
Speaker 2: that the Book of the Law was a mathematical equation.
Speaker 1: Because of that uh, because of that thing and there
Speaker 1: where it kind of like gives that whole like this
Speaker 1: equals that and all that stuff that there is like
Speaker 1: a cipher in there. There's nothing like the psychoanine type stuff.
Speaker 2: I don't know, but there's a there's another book called
Speaker 2: the The Rights of cur Law and it was a
Speaker 2: this on the typhony and Oto in Miami because they
Speaker 2: consider Miami a power zone or something like that, some
Speaker 2: crazy shit. They He conducted a ritual with his chick
Speaker 2: and it was supposed to induce an abduction. And what
Speaker 2: he ended up doing was, I'll tell you how he
Speaker 2: did it. He did the dead man's pose right, the
Speaker 2: mummy pose essentially right, and he had the tip of
Speaker 2: his dick out on the top right of the banded
Speaker 2: bandages or whatever. He had the tip of his dick out,
Speaker 2: and he had his chick with a vibrator like edge
Speaker 2: of them. I guess right to orgasm. And then he
Speaker 2: would go into this altered recu is the sex magic
Speaker 2: go into this altered state, and he allegedly was abducted
Speaker 2: by these Cuthulhu entities craft who ran a train on him. Okay,
Speaker 2: they ran a train on him and he got impregnated. Okay,
Speaker 2: he wasn't pregnated with this sort of numerical entity parasite
Speaker 2: if you will. And then he was able to read
Speaker 2: this code. There's a whole book on it. Peter Lavenda
Speaker 2: wrote about it, bro, oh okay, where he could see
Speaker 2: this code in the Book of the Law and it
Speaker 2: was supposed to uh. I think it was linked to
Speaker 2: the number pi. And it proved, like he said, that
Speaker 2: every single different god and God has had a different
Speaker 2: numerical value. Again, I don't know the specific say. I
Speaker 2: didn't get into the mathematical part of it, but I
Speaker 2: can send you the book, bro, you can kind of
Speaker 2: sort of nobody. It was Peter Lavenda and this dude.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's really interesting. The typhony and Oto, So did
Speaker 1: you think there is possibly that book is ciphered as well?
Speaker 2: Yeah, but again we're never gonna know or was crawly
Speaker 2: full of shit and we're you know, how many times
Speaker 2: I think how many dots are connecting that aren't even there?
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, there was, uh all right, even put it
Speaker 1: this way, there was there was a book called The
Speaker 1: Vision of the Voice. You know, people might have heard
Speaker 1: of it. Lisa from The Occult Rejects when she lived
Speaker 1: in Austin, she went to the library that that book.
Speaker 1: When he was writing it, he had like a book
Speaker 1: that had you know, like before it was published, is
Speaker 1: there and that has all his notes, like he's writing
Speaker 1: stuff in there, and she went to go look at it,
Speaker 1: and like there was times when he brings up Rose
Speaker 1: a lot. People always think it's you know that girl,
Speaker 1: And inside that book you can actually see him doing
Speaker 1: the math for Jamatria for Rose, and it's obviously, in
Speaker 1: my opinion, like what I'm getting as you could see
Speaker 1: that in my opinion, he's he's using that name for
Speaker 1: something completely different than why you think. You're reading it.
Speaker 1: You're watching his notes, you're seeing like to what he's
Speaker 1: like kind of almost thinking to us, he's trying to
Speaker 1: explain somef he's telling the editor to even uh, you know,
Speaker 1: give a capital letters towards that don't get it. You know,
Speaker 1: there's reasons, there's you know, he was he was doing
Speaker 1: stuff on purpose. You know what I think is funny.
Speaker 1: Maybe be totally honest with you. You know, the type
Speaker 1: of people too that that follow him, they've you know,
Speaker 1: extremely left. If they were to go in and read
Speaker 1: that book and see what he says about black people
Speaker 1: and gay people and his little notes, I think they'd
Speaker 1: be a little surpressed. He has no problem dropping the
Speaker 1: N word or calling them fags.
Speaker 2: What up my nagas?
Speaker 1: And it's kind of funny, you know. You get all
Speaker 1: these uh, these these these bleeding liberals, yeah, put them up,
Speaker 1: but yet they don't realize what the fuck he was
Speaker 1: writing in his own handwriting and his own notes about
Speaker 1: some people.
Speaker 2: You know, I've actually i've never actually read this particular book.
Speaker 2: I've read and an excerpt of this book when he's
Speaker 2: going through the athers, right, and this is when he
Speaker 2: was doing it with with with Nierberg, right, I guess
Speaker 2: I think he was, uh, I think he was actually
Speaker 2: fucking him in the ass or Victor was fucking Crawley
Speaker 2: in the ass to do these visions. Uh, the what
Speaker 2: I've what I've dubbed sidamic or uh is it sidamic portals?
Speaker 2: But don't don't google that because uh you'll get some stuff.
Speaker 1: But the.
Speaker 2: I've actually read this, I'm gonna check this out because
Speaker 2: I've never read the actual book. I've read excerpts and
Speaker 2: it was in a book about John d Because you
Speaker 2: know this is you know the thirty and Okian Athers,
Speaker 2: which is these different dimensions essentially that they unlocked and
Speaker 2: every single one has you know, a guardian of some
Speaker 2: sorts and you know they're protecting in and all this other.
Speaker 2: So that was the whole thing behind the Enochian.
Speaker 1: So I wonder if that stuff is almost like the
Speaker 1: movie inception, you know how like you can go deeper
Speaker 1: into going to another.
Speaker 2: Dream another But think about that, bro like what if
Speaker 2: you get lost? Like that was the whole thing, right,
Speaker 2: They couldn't get lost in the dream because they wouldn't
Speaker 2: be able to come back out like in the Matrix.
Speaker 2: If you die in the Matrix, you're dead in real life.
Speaker 2: And I have no respect.
Speaker 1: Of that I have worried about that playing with magic. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. Like there's times where I said, like
Speaker 1: I've even seen like windows that for me, I just
Speaker 1: don't know why I get this feeling that you can
Speaker 1: go into it. I don't know if that's true or not,
Speaker 1: but I've I'd be afraid to. I'll just keep it real,
Speaker 1: you know what. I back out there was some movie
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's insidious or something or sinister,
Speaker 1: and maybe that it is. It was this kid who
Speaker 1: was like kind of like astral traveling and I think
Speaker 1: like went into a coma and like that kid, like
Speaker 1: you would see him like go through like a door
Speaker 1: and would go somewhere and would get lost. And I
Speaker 1: do actually like wonder is that kind of like something
Speaker 1: true to an extent?
Speaker 2: Well, you know, it's interesting that in that book that
Speaker 2: I mentioned earlier, the Anesthetic Revelation with Benjamin Paul Blood,
Speaker 2: which is you know, interesting initials, the one of the
Speaker 2: things he talked about was looking into mirrors and wondering
Speaker 2: if in the mirror was another reality. Like while he
Speaker 2: was like blasted off on this sort of stuff, he
Speaker 2: was wondering, right, it was like it's like whippets. Like
Speaker 2: that's what that's essentially what it is. No, I'm serious,
Speaker 2: but like that's part of it. Like it's like that
Speaker 2: people go people, they look crazy on it. It cooks
Speaker 2: your brain, dude, Like it cooks these people's brain. They
Speaker 2: start talking all slow and they just destroy their lives
Speaker 2: with that. Man.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: For for as, I'm very uh whenever I pick something up,
Speaker 2: I hyper focus on it, and I'm very compulsive, like
Speaker 2: when it comes to like hobbies and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: My wife makes fun of me because I'll pick up
Speaker 2: on you hyper fixation. I thank god every day that
Speaker 2: I never picked up drugs. Oh got hooked on drugs
Speaker 2: because like that's that's the kind of person that I have, Bro,
Speaker 2: where I'll get hooked on something and I'll just keep
Speaker 2: doing it. Like you know, if you get into magic,
Speaker 2: the gathering, you want the best deck, you want the
Speaker 2: best cards, you want the best everything, like you gotta
Speaker 2: do it. You know, you start podcasting, you want the
Speaker 2: best mic, the mixer, you know, like all this other stuff.
Speaker 2: That's the way I am. Bro. But thank god, knock
Speaker 2: on wood that I haven't had that happen to me.
Speaker 2: But I can't say the same for some people.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: But Nick, you want to add anything before we get
Speaker 2: the fuck out of here?
Speaker 1: Uh No, not really. I mean I had a really
Speaker 1: good time, like I expected.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: I really would love to get you back on the
Speaker 1: show one day too. But thank you for having me on. Man,
Speaker 1: I had a really good talk. And it's that, I guess, say,
Speaker 1: a breath of fresh air. But if you're a very
Speaker 1: open minded person with the occult and I appreciate that.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 2: I appreciate you, and let me know whenever you want
Speaker 2: me to go back on the show. Like I said,
Speaker 2: I'm just asking questions. Bro. I'm not here to push
Speaker 2: any narratives, right.
Speaker 1: We just want to figure out what the fuck is
Speaker 1: going on, man, Like what the fuck I tell you?
Speaker 2: Like how it is? Like, Bro, I've been thinking it's
Speaker 2: fake and it's gay, and I want to know maybe
Speaker 2: why it's not. But like there's so much of reality.
Speaker 1: Why is it?
Speaker 2: But listen, you're like it's so interesting, right, Like it's
Speaker 2: so interesting where I'm like, man, it can't just beat it.
Speaker 2: That's simple. I couldn't have just figured it out like
Speaker 2: hey guys, hey, hey, hey, it's all fake, it's all gay.
Speaker 2: Ray it can't be that simple, or can it?
Speaker 1: Right? Like I've spent so much time thinking about it.
Speaker 2: That's to the Egyptians, that's the secret to the Druids,
Speaker 2: that's the secret to the Mayans, that's the secret to
Speaker 2: the Asztext. That's the secret to all of reality this
Speaker 2: whole fucking time. Because again, how I asked you earlier,
Speaker 2: how many dots are we connecting that aren't even fucking there?
Speaker 1: You get to the end and you open up a
Speaker 1: box that plays like fucking Rick Ashley and you just got.
Speaker 2: It's like.
Speaker 1: He went through all that and it's faking gay.
Speaker 2: That's all it is. It's a little note, bro, It's
Speaker 2: a little note like, is that what the magical papyri said?
Speaker 2: You know? That's what they don't want to tell us, dude,
Speaker 2: That's what they don't want to tell us. That's what
Speaker 2: That's what the tablets that Josie, that Joseph Smith had,
Speaker 2: that's what the tablet said. And he's like, you know what,
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna roll with it. But that's what he
Speaker 2: translated that, I take this shit out of here, take
Speaker 2: it back with you.
Speaker 1: I can't go back with that. I gotta come up
Speaker 1: with some moron.
Speaker 2: I yeah, so listen bro, We'll do this again soon.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 2: Let the people know where they can find you all
Speaker 2: more time before we get out of here.
Speaker 1: Uh the cult rejects and that's on old major podcasts
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