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I got demonetized?

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Speaker 2: They got demonetized?

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Speaker 1: Bro sucks, that's the follow the other one. I didn't

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even know you made it?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it sucks.

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Speaker 1: I don't.

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Speaker 2: It's not the money that mattered. It's more of like

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it's like a shadow band. You know, once you get

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pinged discoverability, and every discoverability is already bad as is, right,

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Like it's already dog shit as is, it just gets

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even worse whenever they you have that on the channel.

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And I got hit for praising terrorist organizations.

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Speaker 1: Bro. Wow, yeah, so I got I'm sure that was

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taken out of context one hundred percent, one hundred percent

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going off.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I got hit with that. And since it

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was that particular guideline that I broke, YouTube was straight

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up like, yeah, there's permanently demon honetized. I'm like, oh,

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that's awesome, dude.

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Speaker 1: They're still putting commercials in your stuff.

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Speaker 2: One hundred percent. Bro, that fucked up, that is, yeah,

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And I don't get a cut of.

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Speaker 1: They'll tell me I have episodes ineligible for shit because

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his music is something in there and they still fucking

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put commercials in there.

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Speaker 2: Yea, Bro, that's how it is. Ran do as I say,

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not as I do. But Yo, before we get into it,

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plug your stuff. Where can people find you? All Right?

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Nick from the Occult Rejects, Welcome to the show for

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the first time I think officially.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, yeah, the Occult Rejects. That's on bit shoot,

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Rumble and YouTube. Just talking about YouTube and all major podcasts.

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And we do have the Occult Research Institute dot org.

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It's a website, Thank you very much, sir.

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Speaker 2: I'll put the links in the description. But dude, yea,

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why the Cult Rejects what happened. Tell us a little

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bit about your story, x OTO, what got you into

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all that?

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Speaker 1: Originally? I guess the other whole rejects and even the

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pearole thing is probably because like originally when we started

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the show, I was Exoto and my co host was

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supposedly ex Golden Dorn or maybe aymore, but you know

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he was he was into the stuff. So I guess

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we started to call like we were playing around, being like, oh,

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we got to come up with a name for the show,

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you know, like I had it hit him on my

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show a few times. We started talking about doing our

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own show, and I think it was mostly because for

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me it was more of like we didn't I felt

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I didn't fit in in the OTO. I felt like

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a reject there, you know, I didn't belong And I

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also awmed that kind of really down with. I guess

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that the places ran so I thought when toly arnesw

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and Lux came up with the name, I was like, oh,

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that's perfect. So I mean, I guess kind of like

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being reject like he he didn't fit in, or he

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didn't think he belonged, he wasn't down with kind of

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the idea of how mad is normally used nowadays. So

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I guess, you know, we're considered rejects. We're not down,

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So yeah, it's a little different. And plus, like I

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do think one of the major things is not saying

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that others are wrong. I do believe you might even

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say this yourself. One symbolism could have like seven different meanings,

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who knows. But I do think that we try to

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do as well, So I even think that makes any sense,

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like a little bit, not a reject, but just different.

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Speaker 2: More like a retard. Right, Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna. I'm

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gonna that's gonna be my next podet the cult Retards.

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We should do a show like that and just think

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about it. But did he go back? Did you're old?

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Did he go back into the organization or you just

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fizzled out or what real life happened?

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Speaker 2: Oh you don't have to tell me.

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Speaker 1: I just yeah, no, no, it just didn't work out anymore.

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But yeah, he eventually left, and then I just pulled

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some magic out of my ass. I guess and still

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it happened and eventually built it up to what it

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Speaker 2: So what got you to join the OTO? Because, right,

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this is something that I have a lot of people

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who hit me up who are always asking me about

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the occult and at the esoteric and stuff like that,

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and a lot of people I never made the jump,

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but a lot of people make the jump and they

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joined the Resocrusions or the OTO or you know, more

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commonly the Freemasons. Right, that's a common one, easy because

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they feel like they're going to get access to some

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sort of knowledge or their promise something. But what got

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you to join the OTO?

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Speaker 1: I was I got into conspiracies like around twenty ten,

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and I heavily gravitated towards like Jordan Maxwell, David Ike,

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Michael Tassarian, Mark Passio, a lot of people who were

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mainly a cult as well or into I guess talking

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about the occult and studying and you know whatever teaching

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people about it. So I was like heavily into that

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and did believe that there's something behind and eventually just

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this is just for me. Like eventually I was like

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I'm learning world, these orders are what country they started in?

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all that as well. And then I'm like, I still

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don't know what the fuck magic is? What the I

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haven't gotten anyway except for just following dates, names and lodges.

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What the fuck is magic? So I was like, let

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me see if I can find one of these places,

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maybe they're buying me. I am in New York at

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the time, and I was in Queens, so I was like,

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I'm sure there's probably some weird shit out here. So

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I started looking for the Golden Dawn because believe in it,

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and I would have been a little bit more interested

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in that. I will say I think Crowley is in

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a cult genius, but I also think he was a degenerate,

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So I really wasn't looking to join the OTO at first.

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There was no Golden Down near me. Uh. I wasn't

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gonna go for like Temple a Set or the Church

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of Satan. I was looking for more of something that

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was more like ceremonial magic and kind of a little

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bit more strict, which is why I wanted to pick

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the Golden Down. So I was like, well, let me

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see if there's an notes there was one twenty five

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minutes away from my house. I was like, all right,

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even with the Freemasons, I knew Freemasons, and they're like,

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this is just their experience. They said, if you want

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to get into like actual, like that type of stuff,

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you're going to have to stay around for a long time.

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or Oto, you're obviously going in because you want to

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practice ceremonial magic. I mean, it's so blatant, you know

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what I'm saying, that's what they talk about. So I

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was like, all right, the Mason's obviously probably isn't going

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to work for me. So I looked up, Yeah, I

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found the Oto, and you know, these places they're really

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not that secret. They have websites that will like advertise

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where the lodges are, and they all have social media.

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I think, like I found to Hoodi Lodge, which is

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the lodge I used to go to. I think I

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found it on Facebook. I think I had a link

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for it on the website, and then they had like

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a calendar of like events and an email and I

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checked it out and I was like, oh, the Gnostic

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Man I'll try that, and I went and uh, six

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years later finally left. But yeah, it was more of

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because I actually wanted to know, like what's really going

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on in these things, like what kind of stuff do

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they practice? Did they study? You know, prior to that,

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already started getting into kind of like Thelemic style stuff,

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or at least the heck you know, the hexagram ritol

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and the pentagram ritol, which was used by the Oto

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and Golden Dorn and a lot of secret societies, but

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you know, suggested by the Oto. So I had already

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had experience with like some of the things that they

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would use. So then eventually I was like, I think

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it's time to actually go to a place and see

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what's really going on.

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Speaker 2: So I'm stuck in this place recently where it's like, right, conspiracies,

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the cult, it's kind of the same thing, Right, can

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we control entities? Are their entities? Religion itself is a conspiracy.

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I mean there's people still debating the legitimacy of quite

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literally everything is magic real, Nick. I know you've talked

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about like the whole neodethic space sperience and you know,

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crossing the abyss and things of that nature. But is

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it a real thing? Is it putting yourself in a

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state of mind to believe what's the what's the kicker man?

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What have you figured it out so far in this journey?

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Speaker 1: Throughout throughout That's a good way to put it. Throughout

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my journey. My idea of magic has changed, and I

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do think there's probably ways that you can look at

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magic in different ways. And I think the first two

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is probably more of what the public seems to think

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it is. There's that magic where it's kind of like

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that book The Secret or I'm just gonna tell myself

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this is what's gonna happen. I'm gonna keep thinking about it.

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put yourself to get where you want to go, you

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know what I'm saying. Where people will like almost like

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kind of like reevalue. They constantly tell them like I'm

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gonna get that car. I'm gonna get that car, you know,

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like stupid shit like that, like self helpation. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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stuff like that. I do believe there is something to that.

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I mean, that's just a very basic, low level type

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stuff that these these people are just started practicing yoga

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on Instagram, going about for hours. You know, you know

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what I mean. But sit I'm sure there is some

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legitimacy to that. Then, like when I started really getting

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into magic, it's more of I do think, and this

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is my opinion. If you want to, I do think

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you can actually control to an extent the world around you.

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And I think that's a lot of what people seem

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to think is magic. I'm gonna do something that's going

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to create a change in the environment around me, that

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is true. But I do think that that is solely

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just black magic. Unfortunately. That's just my opinion, because you're

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gonna have to change the will of something around in

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this world, probably you have to bend something to your will,

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that's my opinion, and I do think that seems to

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be even when it comes to conspiracies. People just seem

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to think that that's kind of in my opinion, maybe

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I'm wrong, people seem to think that that is like

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really the only kind of like magic, Like I'm going

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to evoke something that's going to come in and it's

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going to change or give me whatever I want. I

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really don't have. I have had experiences in the past

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or maybe for work I wanted to make a talisman.

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So my job went better, but like really trite, and

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it was always to change me. Actually, will I be

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able to speak better to my customers to get what

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I want? Will I be able to manipulate them with

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my speech to get what I want? It was, you know,

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but still again I'm affecting them, but I'm really focusing.

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Speaker 2: More on you.

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Speaker 1: But it's a fucking loop.

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Speaker 2: It's a bullshit.

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Speaker 1: You're bullshitting yourself. You know what I'm saying. You're gonna

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bullshit yourself about how to make sense of this. Eventually

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I stopped fucking with that and started getting into the

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whole thing of actually literally just changing me because I'm

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tired of who I am, and I actually just literally

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started doing rituals and prayers to God. I want to

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know the answers, no matter what I have to do,

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I want to know the answers. Who are you? What's God?

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What's the after life? What's out there? I was totally

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ready to be given some sort of answer for that,

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I was focusing on me and only me again, Like

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I would do certain rituals to hope to maybe invoke

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a different energy like again, I'm an aries and you

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know a little bit about me. I could be very

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hot headed or just you know what, I'm whatever from.

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Speaker 2: New York, you know, yeah, hey, what's the matter.

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Speaker 1: You know obviously I need sometimes I might need some balance,

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you know what I'm saying. And I know that, so

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I would try to work. You know, I would work

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maybe with like a a venus, you know, or something

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like that. You love beauty, patience maybe you know, stuff

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like that. I would try to change myself. But it

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was my opinion, real real magic and just dragging this

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all out for my opinion is is you know what

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I've said to you before is to separate I think,

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your soul from your body and have an experience with God.

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magic is.

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Speaker 2: Getting there is the is the kicker right as to

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write deep meditation, substances, whatever it may be for think.

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Speaker 1: You just want to add, whenever I did have magical

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experiences was before I started smoking weed again, so I

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was sober. So I just want to say there was

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no drugs when I've had these experiences used that will.

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Speaker 2: Well, fasting is powerful too, right like oh yeah, yeah, yeah,

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I have I have done.

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done that. But I'm just saying drug wise. I've never

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taken drugs for originally, but I've had these experiences drug use.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, But the being sober and the fast thing

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I've heard, you know, brings forth these changes, these experiences. Right,

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if you're gonna contact God or be in the presence

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of God, need to be purified to a certain extent. Now,

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how many people can do that, That's true, not many people.

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So there you eliminate fifty percent of the people who

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can't fast right or whatever it is for whatever reason,

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and then the discipline on top of that eliminate half

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of those people that you can't even do that. Yeah,

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sure you see it. I think we've talked about it before,

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where when something happens in the super Bowl or something

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somewhere with Trump or anywhere, it's it's a rich wal

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look at that thirty three blah blah blah.

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Speaker 1: I didn't even get down with that stuff anyways.

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an episode in the Info Wars egals thirty three and

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Brian White or whatever the dude's name was equals thirty

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three and that was the dell was just murdered from

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Info Wars.

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Speaker 1: I yes, you stuff like that, for sure, but it's

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just just certain things that like is retarded. How could

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I put it this way? If unless you're a freemason

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and you've done the third degree initiation, how are you

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gonna go on and tell people something you just watched

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on TV it was a third degree initiation? You don't

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fucking know. Yeah, people going on saying the Mike Tyson

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if I was a third degree initiation? Are you a

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fucking Mason? And dumbe the fuck are you telling people?

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You have no idea?

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Speaker 2: I didn't see that one.

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Speaker 1: I've heard I've heard people say that, and it's like,

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unless you're actually a freemason and gone through the third degree,

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how are you telling thousands of people that's what that is?

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It's a joke. You have a lot of that going on.

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People who have never stopped into a temple or stepped

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into a ring or telling people what the fuck's going

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on in those things and they have zero clue.

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Speaker 2: But people love it though Mick and people believe it

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one hundred percent.

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Speaker 1: Silly and people actually try to like tell you science

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and real shit get blown off. It was like that's boring. Sorry,

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I guess I had to make up like sci fi

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stories to keep it interesting.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean that's that's the society that we live in.

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Like it's all about I'm serious, though, bro, Like that's

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what people want nowadays, Like I'll just talk about aliens. Well,

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the homuncious is another one. I can't prove to you

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that I was real. No, I can't prove to you

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that it's not real. Right, So, like we're.

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Speaker 1: Still I think you're onto something. There is something with it.

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Speaker 2: There's plenty of stories you can read about it, right, So,

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but the are is the magic is the colt or

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you know these aspects you're you're talking about like shaping

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yourself and going through this experience, is it all part

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of your brain? Like is this different facets of your psyche?

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Like is it different aspects of yourself? Because like that's

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you know, the self help stuff in my opinion works

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and this sounds really stupid, but the whole being in

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the right mindset, I've had that work for me, and

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I have a video of me manifesting that fish that's

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right there on my wall with that picture there. The

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biggest fish I've ever caught to this day, right, And

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it was weird because the the day before, me and

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my boy always go to this lake.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: It's one of the biggest lakes in Central Florida, Lake Tohoe,

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and it's a hard lake. It's they do a lot

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of a lot of tournaments out there, like all the

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pros fish it and it's a it's a it's a

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hard lake, right, It's you know, however, many hundred acres

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and a lot of times they would go we'd not

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have like good luck, right, he would be out there

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for brough. Fun fact, I started doing fishing videos before

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I started podcasting. But you would go out for twelve

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hours a day to try and catch a fish, and

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when you wouldn't catch anything for twelve hours, you're like,

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what the hell am I gonna put out? So the

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day before and I caught all this on camera, Bro

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was the craziest shit ever. It's on my YouTube channel somewhere.

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And the day before I was, you know, telling myself,

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I'm gonna kill it tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna kill it. We're gonna have the.

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Speaker 2: Greatest time, the greatest fishing day ever. And when we

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got there, bro slaying it, dog like boom and this

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is all on camera, all in the video, slaying it,

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slaying it. And then the last catch of the day.

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I'm telling my boy, I go, Bro, there's a giant

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out here. Somewhere, there's a giant. He's like, yeah, Bro,

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this is this is how you're gonna You're gonna catch

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the biggest one of your life.

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Speaker 1: On the video.

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Speaker 2: Bro, this is all on video. Like, I'm not making

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any of this ship up. I'll send you the video.

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And he's like, you're gonna catch the biggest one of

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your life. And I'm like, yeah, bro, like, this is

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gonna be crazy. And my speed worm it broke the

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tail right, and I'm like, oh I and I go, hey,

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I broke the tail off this bitch. I remember the

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words bro like and everything. I broke the tail off

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this bitch. That's how you know it's the juice. And

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my bow goes, yeah, that's the juice, right, and I

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cast and I'm just slowly relating it in.

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Speaker 1: Bro broken and it worked and it caught the biggest one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it was like it was one of the

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things that we did after a while that the tail

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comes off and I'm like just reeling it in and

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it feels like my lure is stuck, right because we're

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fishing off shore and hook sets are free, right, So

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I reel in a little bit and I set the

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dog shit out the hook. Bro, I'm just like, boom,

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it was something on the other end, right, And I

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knew it was big because you hear in the video

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my my my reel goes like it's like from how

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much pressure's on it, and I'm like, I tell my Bum,

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I'm like, bro, oh, this is a giant because I

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felt like, you know when you got a big fish. Right,

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He goes, what are you talking about, bro? So again

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all on video, I'm reeling it in and fighting this fish,

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the biggest fish I've ever caught to this day, nine

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points something pound almost ten pound bass. Right, It's a

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huge bass, and my boy's helping me out. I'm trying

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not to get it, you know, caught in the trolling

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moat and everything, and it jumps out of the water

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and we see it for the first time, bro, Like

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I could fit my whole hand into its mouth. Okay,

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my whole arm and hand into its mouth. So we

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see this giant mind you, there's like seven boats around us.

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They're all watching us because we were killing it that

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day just like boom boom boom, and my boy starts.

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I'm trying to stay calm and my boy is trying

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to calm me down. He's like, bro, bring it over

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here with the net and everything, bro, and you'll see.

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I'll send you the video.

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Speaker 1: Bro.

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Speaker 2: The it was almost or gasmic right, like it's like

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like you have like this feeling you see, bro, you

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see my emotion everything in that video because but it

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all started the day before. I was like I'm gonna

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you know, I'm a good boy. I'm gonna do good

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and I'm gonna kill it tomorrow, right And it worked, bro,

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you know, and I don't know if I've done it again,

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ship Like that is real. It is so I feel

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like I affected my reality in a way. And this

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is I'm talking about this particular thing because I can

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prove it, like I have a video, Like I have

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a video the whole thing, and I call you know

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the time I manifested the biggest fish I've ever caught,

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and I kind of did, because, bro, what are the

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chances that right when I'm like, I got the juice,

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broke the tail off this bitch and I cast it? Yeah, bro,

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and I'm really it in And then that was the

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That was the cast. My boy had the affirmations and

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everything ready. He's like, yeah, bro, we're gonna do it.

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It's gonna be the biggest one. I go, yeah, and

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that that, Bro, that was the cast. That's crazy, it's crazy,

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it sounds dumb, but again that it works, right.

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Speaker 1: That's crazy. That's like a cool experience to have. Good

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for you, man.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, that that was the the last fish of

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the day that we had. Con Then I took pictures

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with it, I took measurements, and I went home, bro,

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because what are you gonna do? Then?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, like, nothing to do now?

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You got that high, right, So if you're catch anything else,

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it's not going to even be uh remotely even close to.

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Speaker 1: Hole after that one.

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Speaker 2: So again, what I was saying, telling yourself, is it

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part of your your psyche? Is it part of your mind?

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Are these things that you're tapping into because you were

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talking about shifting between different energies and different facets of

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like hey, this day I'm gonna invoke Venus or this

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day I'm gonna invoke Saturn. What if that's just like,

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you know, a Youngian approach of these are different parts

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of our own selves.

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Speaker 1: That's yeah, I do believe that. Actually I do believe that.

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I mean I even when I would work on certain

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things like that, I would look at like what am

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I doing and what do I want to stop doing?

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You know, I would acknowledge that maybe certain aspects of

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my personality believe it or not, as cheesy as it sounds,

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And I have said this to people and on the show,

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and I mean I because of being you know, whatever mandated.

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I have done some like I've been to AA and

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rehebs before in the past, but it's almost like doing

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like a fourth step from AA. I would say, like

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if you actually wrote, well, if you filled that out

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and did that and kind of like did it to

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yourself and really looked at yourself like that, that is

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a lot like shadow work and kind of what magicians

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are doing. Believe it or not. You look at that

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shit and you're gonna want to change it about yourself

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and you're going start trying to figure out ways to

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do it.

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Speaker 2: Isn't that what the TikTok uh psychic say?

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Speaker 1: I hate that phrase right because right away, and I'm like, oh.

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Speaker 2: Because the it was Crawley right that said that the

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goatia is a part of yourself. I don't know exactly where.

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Speaker 1: Originally he thought it was part of the aspects of

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the brain, which I do. I do believe it is,

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and then I think I don't. It wasn't like they

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put out a new book, or maybe they did, maybe

473
00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:24,000
they edited it, or he said it in another book

474
00:23:24,039 --> 00:23:26,759
that one of his other released that thinks it's both

475
00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:29,680
that they could be, which I find interesting because that's

476
00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:32,279
actually what I think sometimes pulled the guy saw. I

477
00:23:32,279 --> 00:23:34,400
do think it's something you're creating, but then it ends

478
00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:37,680
up creating the world around you. So I could see

479
00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:40,799
the goystias still being that it's in your head, but

480
00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:45,480
maybe it does actually manifest in reality. There's a way,

481
00:23:45,799 --> 00:23:47,519
you know what I'm saying within the cult is you

482
00:23:47,599 --> 00:23:49,359
never understand what the fuck they're really saying. Let's they

483
00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:50,519
get specific. That's why.

484
00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:55,599
Speaker 2: And unless you're you're you're initiated, right, I mean, that's

485
00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:58,400
the whole aspect, but he does he thinks it could

486
00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:01,319
be both all aspects of the mind, or they could

487
00:24:01,319 --> 00:24:05,039
be real. But he also did write that some people's

488
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:08,279
will is to have their will bent to your own will.

489
00:24:09,319 --> 00:24:12,799
So sometimes no means yes. Right, So he was weird.

490
00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:15,480
I mean, he was into some some stuff, but he

491
00:24:15,519 --> 00:24:20,319
did expose expose a lot of things, right, And I think.

492
00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:23,079
Speaker 1: That's what I think is weird that it to tell you, like,

493
00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:24,880
even his story is kind of like weird if you

494
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:27,920
think about it, Like he originally came out kind of

495
00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:31,400
like exposing magic. I mean, that's why he put out

496
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:33,680
all that Golden Dawn stuff. He was pretty much saying, like,

497
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:36,279
this is what it's about, and I think everybody should

498
00:24:36,319 --> 00:24:38,880
be privy to it. That's actually how he first started,

499
00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:40,680
and everyone was like, oh my god, he's releasing all

500
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:43,960
these rituals. Yeah, technically he was releasing shit he wasn't

501
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:45,519
supposed to technically.

502
00:24:46,039 --> 00:24:49,200
Speaker 2: But wasn't it Regardi that put put out the OTO stuff.

503
00:24:50,079 --> 00:24:53,799
Speaker 1: No, all those libras were his, I mean Regard he

504
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:56,799
might have put out some, but certain libs though those

505
00:24:56,799 --> 00:24:58,440
are all Crawley, a lot of them.

506
00:24:58,799 --> 00:25:01,440
Speaker 2: But because the way I've understood. Is I think it

507
00:25:01,519 --> 00:25:03,920
was Royce or somebody went to him and told him

508
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:08,799
that he had he had unintentionally revealed. Do we know

509
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:09,440
what that was?

510
00:25:10,599 --> 00:25:13,119
Speaker 1: No? No, actually, but it's something in the Book of.

511
00:25:13,039 --> 00:25:15,799
Speaker 2: The Law, something in the Book of the Law.

512
00:25:16,279 --> 00:25:18,559
Speaker 1: I actually think the Book of the Laws is my opinion,

513
00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:20,920
is all focusing on the eyeball in.

514
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:22,720
Speaker 2: The brain perception.

515
00:25:23,519 --> 00:25:27,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, actually how it works and everything too. Really yeah,

516
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:29,200
I mean you even think you believe in that had

517
00:25:29,279 --> 00:25:31,960
is a playoff for Dha, which is something inside your eyeball,

518
00:25:32,079 --> 00:25:33,200
as well as fish.

519
00:25:34,599 --> 00:25:36,880
Speaker 2: And God, isn't it?

520
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:40,759
Speaker 1: Oh, God would be the god. Yeah. Yeah. Even even

521
00:25:40,759 --> 00:25:43,119
the stella of revelation, in my opinion, looks like an eyeball,

522
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:44,559
and it looks like the cones and the rods that

523
00:25:44,559 --> 00:25:46,200
are in there and all that shit. So what say

524
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:51,960
that again, the stella of revelation. Yeah, there's even stuff

525
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:53,880
in his rituals that he does that, in my opinion,

526
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,279
is pointing to the pineal glen. Like. I hate to

527
00:25:56,279 --> 00:25:59,119
say it, but I do think the guy understood the eyeball.

528
00:26:00,079 --> 00:26:01,319
Speaker 2: Stella of on and.

529
00:26:02,799 --> 00:26:06,519
Speaker 1: F and cons of coffin consu or the stellia of revelation,

530
00:26:06,599 --> 00:26:09,599
you know, either one of those cough Conso, yeah, he

531
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:12,480
thought he was that too, was cons he thought he

532
00:26:12,559 --> 00:26:14,359
was Edward Kelly.

533
00:26:14,559 --> 00:26:19,440
Speaker 2: Hey, yeah, yeah, yeah, this thing here, yes, so what

534
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:21,440
are we looking at? You said that it's like the eyeball.

535
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:23,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do think that's part of it. I mean,

536
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:26,559
it's be hard to get into, but those are like

537
00:26:26,599 --> 00:26:28,480
the same things on the bottom. You see that that

538
00:26:28,519 --> 00:26:31,039
thing that's spinning kind of that. You got a lot

539
00:26:31,079 --> 00:26:32,640
of the cones and the rods in your eyeball of

540
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,559
the same color. I do you think that might be

541
00:26:35,599 --> 00:26:36,640
like the back of the eyeball.

542
00:26:37,559 --> 00:26:43,799
Speaker 2: So this is interesting because John Dee was into optics

543
00:26:43,799 --> 00:26:48,000
as well, and he was he was into a lot

544
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,160
of things, but he had this thing called katroptics, which

545
00:26:50,279 --> 00:26:54,160
was pretty much being able to turn your soul into

546
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:57,759
a mirror of sorts, right, I mean, and that's interesting

547
00:26:57,839 --> 00:27:00,880
because it's got to do with the stella raised and

548
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:05,400
things of that nature where they say everything is emitting light, right,

549
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:08,160
We're all light beings or light is coming out from

550
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:10,759
us and the way that our light interact that's an

551
00:27:10,799 --> 00:27:16,319
aw chemical reaction. And you're also able to snuff out

552
00:27:16,319 --> 00:27:19,599
the light of something else and use that light for

553
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:24,319
you know, use the energy of that light for purposes, right,

554
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:29,440
and sacrifice, et cetera, things of this nature. And I

555
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:33,359
forgot where it was that I saw something about like

556
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:35,680
an upside down eye. Stuff. I'd have to find I

557
00:27:35,799 --> 00:27:37,759
probably did an episode on a long time ago, but

558
00:27:38,839 --> 00:27:42,599
I've seen this before. Where But here's my problem, because

559
00:27:43,319 --> 00:27:45,480
when I think of the occult, a lot of the times,

560
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:48,319
a lot of these guys that were exposing it, right,

561
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:50,640
So you're saying he almost had like a sort.

562
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:52,759
Speaker 1: Of it's kind of like, I'm not saying like he

563
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,000
was a good guy. I'm just saying that's kind of

564
00:27:55,039 --> 00:27:57,079
how his story is, which I find weird. I just

565
00:27:57,079 --> 00:27:58,599
find that even weird to begin with.

566
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,039
Speaker 2: Maybe he was exposing it but got wrapped up in

567
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:04,519
it at the same time, right, like, because his whole

568
00:28:04,519 --> 00:28:06,440
thing was against the being against the church, right, he

569
00:28:06,519 --> 00:28:09,319
hated the church because allegedly what they had done to

570
00:28:09,319 --> 00:28:12,319
his father and stuff. So he had like this deeply.

571
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,759
Speaker 1: He even had like a magical experience and then stops

572
00:28:15,759 --> 00:28:17,680
fucking with magic for a few years and then came back.

573
00:28:18,079 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 2: And he even did that when he was younger.

574
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:24,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I mean there was even that too, which

575
00:28:24,279 --> 00:28:25,799
I find interesting. Where'd you go?

576
00:28:27,559 --> 00:28:29,720
Speaker 2: Because a lot of the guys that write about the occult,

577
00:28:29,759 --> 00:28:32,519
and this is where I'm struggling, because, for example, the Gatia, right,

578
00:28:32,759 --> 00:28:36,559
you have John Veayer who wrote the pseudo Monarchiam Demonum,

579
00:28:36,599 --> 00:28:39,319
where it was supposed to be satire, supposed to be,

580
00:28:40,319 --> 00:28:43,680
uh you know, a work of fiction. It was supposed

581
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,680
to be making fun of people. Or is the satire

582
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:50,640
part of the occult, But sometimes I think the occult

583
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:53,000
is occulting the fact that it's gay, fake and gay,

584
00:28:53,079 --> 00:28:56,000
you know, and that it's not not really.

585
00:28:56,119 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 1: Secrets right there?

586
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:01,039
Speaker 2: You get what I'm saying though, Bro, Yeah.

587
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:04,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, So yeah, I think I think there's

588
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:06,680
plenty of rabbit holes that a toist out there too

589
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:10,200
by magicians. Yeah take this, it's faking gay, but you'll, you'll,

590
00:29:10,319 --> 00:29:11,480
he'll entertain you for you.

591
00:29:12,039 --> 00:29:14,359
Speaker 2: One hundred percent. And like, what was it that I

592
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:17,720
was listening to something today where they were talking about

593
00:29:17,799 --> 00:29:21,440
Oh yeah, yeah, I was listening to uh something on

594
00:29:21,839 --> 00:29:25,640
the homunculous. I was listening to Mine Unveiled's documentary which

595
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,279
I helped him out, the ten hour documentary on homunculus.

596
00:29:28,599 --> 00:29:29,759
Speaker 1: Oh, damn nice.

597
00:29:31,839 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 2: I wouldn't say we, but he worked on that think

598
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:35,000
for at least six months.

599
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:35,119
Speaker 1: Bro.

600
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 2: It was crazy, and I like I helped him out right,

601
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,559
like we we give him a lot of information and

602
00:29:39,559 --> 00:29:43,359
stuff like that. And in it he talks about how

603
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:49,920
the homunculous has multiple meanings, like it's it's a multifaceted concept,

604
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:52,720
and that's how I look at the occult or the occult.

605
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:56,119
Sometimes you might have your grasp on it of like

606
00:29:56,319 --> 00:29:59,000
what it could be, and it changes real time. Bro.

607
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:01,799
I don't know if you've ever had that happening where

608
00:30:01,799 --> 00:30:03,519
you're like, oh, I kind of understand this concept and

609
00:30:03,559 --> 00:30:08,160
then Mandela effect, it's something completely different.

610
00:30:09,559 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 1: That's actually uh. When I was working on the Eyeballs series,

611
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:15,400
I think it's like one part to the next. Actually

612
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:17,599
corrected myself and changed like the way I was looking

613
00:30:17,599 --> 00:30:19,960
at something because I was like, I think I'm completely off.

614
00:30:20,119 --> 00:30:21,680
I mean I was kind of close, but I just think,

615
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:23,880
you know, so like even for me, there's times where

616
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,319
even I'm like, ah wait, I was like I was

617
00:30:26,359 --> 00:30:28,680
sold on it before. Then you learn something new and

618
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:30,319
you're like, all right, it doesn't make sense now.

619
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 2: It's almost like the information is alive in a sort

620
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,640
of like you get what I'm saying, Like it's always there,

621
00:30:36,759 --> 00:30:40,839
it's always changing. And it was a book on Fulconelly.

622
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,680
I think you it wasn't Eugene Consali. It was somebody

623
00:30:43,759 --> 00:30:46,799
else that wrote this book on Fulconelly, right, I mean,

624
00:30:46,839 --> 00:30:50,880
out of all people, this enigmatic guy Fulconelli that we're

625
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:57,359
still we still don't know who he was. But in

626
00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:00,440
that book he talks about when you study and how

627
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:02,519
you're saying, you drive yourself crazy looking at it.

628
00:31:03,599 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 1: It's gonna change every time you look at it.

629
00:31:06,039 --> 00:31:08,079
Speaker 2: You ever had a dream where you go and read

630
00:31:08,119 --> 00:31:09,759
something and it changes in front of you.

631
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 1: I don't know. It may have, I don't remember.

632
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:16,839
Speaker 2: Try and read in your next dream er. I don't

633
00:31:16,839 --> 00:31:19,039
know if you if you dream, because you probably small

634
00:31:19,079 --> 00:31:19,599
a lot of weed.

635
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 1: But does that stup you from dream?

636
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 2: Yeah?

637
00:31:24,039 --> 00:31:27,359
Speaker 1: Oh all right, could be the ansome. Yeah, I only

638
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:28,559
have dreams that much anymore.

639
00:31:29,079 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 2: That's why, bro, it does something to your brain where

640
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:32,440
you can't dream.

641
00:31:32,519 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 1: So I did it all throughout the day with my

642
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:40,279
eyes open exactly now, yeah, pretty much? So.

643
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, they say messages with something in your brain where

644
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:45,759
you're you're unable to dream. But I think dreams are

645
00:31:45,759 --> 00:31:49,039
interesting because I have sometimes I had some. I actually

646
00:31:49,039 --> 00:31:52,279
woke up from a dream this past week where I

647
00:31:52,319 --> 00:31:55,799
had a conversation with somebody in the dream. And sometimes

648
00:31:55,839 --> 00:31:57,599
I wonder if the person that I see in the

649
00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:00,599
dream is also dreaming about me talking to me their dream.

650
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,559
I felt that before, yeah, bro, because like I even

651
00:32:03,599 --> 00:32:06,880
looked stuff up after the dream to see if it

652
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:10,200
came up, but nothing came up. Like like they told me,

653
00:32:10,319 --> 00:32:18,079
they told me a certain phrase and it was the

654
00:32:18,799 --> 00:32:21,920
we were talking about someone and they were like, yeah, no,

655
00:32:22,119 --> 00:32:25,680
they were a debo or a devo or something, and

656
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,720
it was like it they told me it was like

657
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:33,839
the Indian Indian word Indian word for idiot. But I

658
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,160
don't know what the hell they were trying to tell me.

659
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:40,480
So I looked up every which way, bro, devo, deebo,

660
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,279
d like all these things, trying to find what the

661
00:32:43,319 --> 00:32:46,279
hell that doesn't exist? Like did I make all that up?

662
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:48,839
Or was like there's some secret hidden meaning.

663
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 1: A secret password. Right, It's like the word you get

664
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:54,599
into like an initiation.

665
00:32:55,480 --> 00:33:00,319
Speaker 2: Oh really, Oh well they do that. Initiations give you

666
00:33:00,319 --> 00:33:08,920
a word like you gotta say that, gotta say hokey pokey. Well,

667
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:11,640
when you look up the word idiot in Indian, I

668
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:13,920
mean there's really no other way around that. You just

669
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,440
look up the word idiot in Indian and it should

670
00:33:16,519 --> 00:33:20,759
give you the definition. Right, So it's a beav a coof,

671
00:33:22,519 --> 00:33:28,160
that's what. That's a Hindi beav a coof. But didn't

672
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:33,240
I didn't see uh, beef coof beef coof, that's but

673
00:33:33,279 --> 00:33:34,839
I didn't see anything else. So I don't know if

674
00:33:34,839 --> 00:33:36,960
it was something that my mind was making up because

675
00:33:37,319 --> 00:33:40,640
how much of reality. There's that guy an L. Seth

676
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:45,480
I think is his name, that talks about hallucination and.

677
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 1: Oh yes, yes, what is he so familiar though?

678
00:33:48,559 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 2: I think he's been.

679
00:33:51,799 --> 00:33:53,839
Speaker 1: That's right? Actually, oh has he all of them? Yeah?

680
00:33:53,839 --> 00:33:55,720
I've actually tried to get on my show that that's

681
00:33:55,759 --> 00:33:56,279
why he does.

682
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 2: Maybe I don't know if he has been.

683
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,799
Speaker 1: Yeah he's uh yeah, I tried to get him on.

684
00:34:01,119 --> 00:34:05,920
He fucks with anesthesia, does he really? Yeah? Yeah, he's

685
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:09,239
I've watched some of his stuff and like, in my opinion,

686
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:13,760
this is just my opinion. I I think people can

687
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:17,760
be occultists and not be like practicing magic like people

688
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,960
normally would. I'll just put it that way. I think

689
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,440
he has an understanding and I think he realizes what's

690
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,760
going on with anesthesia because he does focus on that

691
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,440
and kind of like what the fuck's really going on

692
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,719
and how is that possible? And when you start looking

693
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:35,440
at debates that him and like a few other people,

694
00:34:35,639 --> 00:34:40,280
uh Shell Drake and uh god, I fucking forgot the

695
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:41,960
other guy's name. I even have a book on name.

696
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:43,960
You listen to them three talk and it's like, Yo,

697
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,639
you're literally talking about like magic in the abyss, trying

698
00:34:46,639 --> 00:34:48,599
to figure out like how the fuck it makes sense.

699
00:34:49,599 --> 00:34:51,840
Speaker 2: He says, we're all hallucinating all the time. When we

700
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:54,519
agree about our hallucinations, we call it reality. So he

701
00:34:54,559 --> 00:34:58,880
said that this dude messes with anesthesia, Well I think.

702
00:34:58,679 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 1: He might have been actually involved like with that, like

703
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:05,039
done something with that, or at least studies with it. Yeah, yeah,

704
00:35:05,079 --> 00:35:08,079
because like he was going on on, Uh, I'm talking

705
00:35:08,119 --> 00:35:10,280
about like the effects of anesthesia, what it actually does,

706
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:11,599
because if you think about it, that does put you

707
00:35:11,639 --> 00:35:14,599
out limbo, man, Like where are you going when that happens?

708
00:35:14,639 --> 00:35:18,599
Like what's actually going on? You know what I'm saying?

709
00:35:18,639 --> 00:35:20,159
And like I think like that was like kind of

710
00:35:20,159 --> 00:35:21,719
a thing that like spurred an idea for the guy

711
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:24,280
and he kind of went with it.

712
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:27,599
Speaker 2: Wasn't it Paracelsis though, in that created anesthesia.

713
00:35:28,599 --> 00:35:29,519
Speaker 1: Oh, I have no idea.

714
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 2: Ye see here, so history apparently it's been around since

715
00:35:38,119 --> 00:35:42,360
uh for a long time. But he did, I mean,

716
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:44,719
he was the father. I know he he created. I

717
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:47,159
think it was. Oh yeah, he did contribute to it.

718
00:35:47,199 --> 00:35:49,960
So paracels and his contributions to anesthesia, he is the

719
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:53,079
father of modern day toxicology essentially. So you know, the

720
00:35:53,119 --> 00:35:55,039
dose makes the poison. If you take too much of

721
00:35:55,519 --> 00:35:57,840
too much anesthesia, you die, If you take too little bit,

722
00:35:57,880 --> 00:35:59,159
you feel every single little thing.

723
00:35:59,239 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 1: Right.

724
00:35:59,679 --> 00:36:01,760
Speaker 2: But it's interesting you bring up anesthesia because I did

725
00:36:02,159 --> 00:36:06,920
an episode one time on Benjamin Paul Blood where it's

726
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:10,239
called The Anesthetic Revelation, and it's this book written in

727
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:14,800
eighteen something, early nineteen hundreds, and it's about a dude

728
00:36:15,559 --> 00:36:19,239
who what you know, that they had like huffing parties

729
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:22,400
back then everyone would get like high on anesthesia and

730
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:24,320
everything because it was you know, it was not regulated.

731
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:28,199
And so what he had figured out was that at

732
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:32,119
the peak of the anesthesia of this anesthetic dream state,

733
00:36:32,519 --> 00:36:37,360
at the very peak of it. He understood everything in

734
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:43,960
all of of psychology and all of philosophy, all of

735
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:48,800
the philosophies ever, like, he understood every single thing at

736
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:51,719
the very top of it, and then you come down

737
00:36:52,199 --> 00:36:55,360
and then he would forget. Then he would forget, so

738
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:57,119
he would have like people writing to him, like, Bro,

739
00:36:57,239 --> 00:37:01,039
I understand what you're saying about unders standing in reality,

740
00:37:01,119 --> 00:37:03,440
understanding the world being connected to it as soon as

741
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:05,599
you're at that very peak, and then you come back

742
00:37:05,639 --> 00:37:08,840
down and you don't remember. And that to me is

743
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:12,840
almost like could there be a secret anaesthesia the fact

744
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:16,360
that Paracelsus, you know, he was an alchemist, he was

745
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,239
into some stuff. Maybe there's something to that right as

746
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:22,519
a reason for his contribution to it, because one hundred

747
00:37:22,519 --> 00:37:24,719
percent who was mixing stuff up and taking it back? Then?

748
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 1: Bro?

749
00:37:25,079 --> 00:37:25,320
Speaker 2: Like that?

750
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:29,280
Speaker 1: You know, so if if if you go by what

751
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:30,840
I say, and I think you have to almost like

752
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:33,239
kind of bring yourself to death to have a magical experience,

753
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:36,519
you could be fucking with that shit. I even think

754
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:38,760
this is just my opinion, why you you get some

755
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:40,760
grimoires that are like if you were to take that

756
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:45,559
shit and be poison, maybe there's a reason why Yeah,

757
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:47,760
because you kinda knock yourself.

758
00:37:47,519 --> 00:37:52,679
Speaker 2: Full and there's something about that, right, So I.

759
00:37:52,679 --> 00:37:56,119
Speaker 1: Mean shamans do it, yeah, put themselves under extremes until

760
00:37:56,119 --> 00:37:57,800
they think they've had a near death experience.

761
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:04,559
Speaker 2: But is it a near death experience in what sense

762
00:38:04,679 --> 00:38:07,519
as a biological death or like an ego death? Like

763
00:38:07,559 --> 00:38:08,159
what do you mean?

764
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:10,519
Speaker 1: Oh? No, I think like your body will actually think

765
00:38:10,599 --> 00:38:13,800
like it's yeah, it's much more beyond just like, oh

766
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:16,199
I have change now, because like no, I think that

767
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:20,280
your body actually goes through a fucking change, Like your

768
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:23,719
body is affected by it. It's not just like you

769
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:25,719
know when the people post those current the frog things

770
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:28,239
dancing thinking I had leveled up. It's not one of

771
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:29,039
those things.

772
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 2: Tech the frog bro.

773
00:38:32,159 --> 00:38:32,360
Speaker 1: You know what?

774
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:36,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I mean.

775
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:40,199
Speaker 1: I do think, you know, because I I just my opinion.

776
00:38:40,639 --> 00:38:44,159
I just do think. I you know, even I'm not

777
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:47,119
going to say it's the typical word. I mean, do

778
00:38:47,119 --> 00:38:48,760
you think there's something behind it? I don't want to

779
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:51,840
say it because it's but even stuff in blood. I

780
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:53,880
think there is even something in blood that gets used

781
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:57,480
up or changes when you fuck with magic. You know,

782
00:38:57,519 --> 00:39:01,880
I think your eyeballs, you know, for me, you know,

783
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:03,840
every time I fucked with magic, one my eyeball will

784
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:05,440
get bigger than the other one. One will get bigger,

785
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:07,719
one will go pinned. And I've had blood.

786
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:08,880
Speaker 2: Issues like your ear pupils.

787
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:11,679
Speaker 1: E mean yeah, my pupil will be one pupil was

788
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:14,159
full millimeters bigger than the other one and I had

789
00:39:14,159 --> 00:39:17,159
to get a bag of saline and a bag of blood.

790
00:39:17,639 --> 00:39:21,719
They said, my uh hemoglobe and levels like through the roof.

791
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:24,119
Speaker 2: Because you were doing are you were doing a ritual?

792
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:26,760
Speaker 1: No, I was actually blasting off. I did it three

793
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,000
times in like ten days. I was a fucking mess.

794
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 2: Bhi gone on, what nothing noice?

795
00:39:33,039 --> 00:39:33,840
Speaker 1: Fucking with magic?

796
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,760
Speaker 2: Really? You almost died from messing with magic.

797
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:41,599
Speaker 1: Like three times in a I would consider myself pretty

798
00:39:41,679 --> 00:39:44,119
much dying every time I've done it. And one time

799
00:39:44,159 --> 00:39:46,039
I got like a little crazy with it and did

800
00:39:46,079 --> 00:39:47,800
it about three times in ten days and that was

801
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:50,039
a fucking mental mess. The physical mess. I had to

802
00:39:50,039 --> 00:39:52,360
go to hospital. And shit will fuck up your head.

803
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:55,679
Speaker 2: You keep on doing it too, so it'll mess with

804
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:57,760
you biologically and also psychologically.

805
00:39:58,519 --> 00:40:01,880
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, those down loads are real. The more

806
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:03,559
you do it, the louder they're gonna get. And the

807
00:40:03,599 --> 00:40:06,280
more often they're gonna come and you can't shut it off,

808
00:40:07,079 --> 00:40:08,519
so you're gonna have to sit there and listen to it.

809
00:40:09,639 --> 00:40:11,360
Speaker 2: So are people who are.

810
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:15,800
Speaker 1: People are schizophrenic? Yeah, I think they're half in there

811
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:20,599
and half out. Or or some guy I've seen on YouTube.

812
00:40:20,599 --> 00:40:22,559
I try to get him on. His name's okay, Charlie.

813
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:24,880
You go look at his stuff. This guy's going out

814
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:27,360
and all over the place, caves, fucking woods here and there,

815
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:30,119
and he's recording stuff and he's actually finding there is

816
00:40:30,199 --> 00:40:34,960
voices in the fucking ambient air. There is stuff being

817
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,559
pumped out from somehow, So people, for all I know,

818
00:40:37,599 --> 00:40:40,079
people could be hearing that, or the fucking pills they're

819
00:40:40,119 --> 00:40:42,920
being taken and makes them hear it anyway more susceptible

820
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,519
hearing it. But I mean, yeah, but you will hear things,

821
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:48,079
in my opinion, and that it's hard to explain. It's

822
00:40:48,119 --> 00:40:52,519
almost like these knowings that are so loud it's as

823
00:40:52,559 --> 00:40:56,880
if they're being spoken to. I mean, it's hard to explain.

824
00:40:57,119 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 2: I think that even sort of messing with this stuff

825
00:41:02,119 --> 00:41:05,239
as far as like I call myself an armchair coultist,

826
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:09,599
where even having these books in my in my room

827
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:13,159
or in my space or even talking about it. I

828
00:41:13,159 --> 00:41:16,880
think that even opens you up. And I've experienced things.

829
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:24,119
I've experienced at least heavy synchronicities, like crazy, weird synchronicities.

830
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:26,400
Speaker 1: Where you get a lot of the same numbers.

831
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:28,519
Speaker 2: I get a lot of the same numbers, you know,

832
00:41:28,559 --> 00:41:31,079
repeating numbers. But I've gotten to the point where I

833
00:41:31,119 --> 00:41:32,000
laugh it off.

834
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:35,719
Speaker 1: Bro, that you're doing You're doing something right. I don't

835
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:36,440
think it's a bad thing.

836
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:38,559
Speaker 2: That's the way I see when I you know, when

837
00:41:38,559 --> 00:41:41,239
I have a synchronicity, it's because I'm on the right timeline.

838
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:42,800
Speaker 1: I think you're doing your will.

839
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:44,559
Speaker 2: You're doing your will.

840
00:41:45,039 --> 00:41:46,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, Or I think that could be like, you know,

841
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:49,000
representative of you, kind of like you know, uh, side

842
00:41:49,039 --> 00:41:50,840
effects maybe if you're on the right track of doing

843
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:53,000
your own will. Maybe. Yeah.

844
00:41:53,079 --> 00:41:55,760
Speaker 2: My wife makes fun of me because she'll see when

845
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:59,440
I have synchronicity sometimes right like.

846
00:41:59,679 --> 00:42:00,599
Speaker 1: You and hurt.

847
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 2: She's like, I'll look right and I'll and I'll laugh,

848
00:42:06,679 --> 00:42:09,679
you know, I'll just laugh at all. Well, another one

849
00:42:09,679 --> 00:42:14,039
of your angel numbers happen again, And I'm like, first

850
00:42:14,039 --> 00:42:17,400
of all, it's not those people give us a bad name. Man,

851
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:22,119
Well that's the thing, bro, that she doesn't how you're

852
00:42:22,159 --> 00:42:25,400
saying about being grounded. She takes me grounded because she

853
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:29,239
doesn't believe in ship. Like she's Christian, she doesn't not

854
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:31,199
believe in anything. She believes in God and all that,

855
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:33,320
but as far as she doesn't believe in anything, as

856
00:42:33,679 --> 00:42:36,000
as far as like the occult and all that stuff,

857
00:42:36,039 --> 00:42:40,079
and you know, the whole she knows what I talk

858
00:42:40,159 --> 00:42:42,199
about and she doesn't really agree with all of it.

859
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:45,599
So she kind of does poke poke fun at me sometimes.

860
00:42:45,679 --> 00:42:49,920
But you know, sometimes I'll be watching like her, you know,

861
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:52,480
one of her shows with her and dude, even on

862
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:55,440
the show Love is Blind. I know you've seen on Netflix.

863
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:57,480
I'm sure you've seen the memes. There's a show Love

864
00:42:57,559 --> 00:42:59,519
is Blind. It's like where people go into these pods

865
00:42:59,559 --> 00:43:01,079
and they all in love with somebody on the other

866
00:43:01,079 --> 00:43:03,760
side without ever seeing them, and it's this whole thing, right,

867
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:06,800
And there was this one season, dude, where one of

868
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:12,719
the guys was boasting about being able to orgasm without coming.

869
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:16,400
He's like, I can go for a long time. He's like,

870
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:20,000
I went and I studied with these Buddhists in the mountains,

871
00:43:20,039 --> 00:43:23,840
and bro, this is like the most regular show you

872
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:27,679
will ever see, you know, Netflix, Like, you know, millions

873
00:43:27,679 --> 00:43:31,599
of people watch this show. But I'm like, oh shit,

874
00:43:31,679 --> 00:43:33,920
I was like, this guy is into some tantric stuff,

875
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:36,000
Like this guy is like in the cult, but he's

876
00:43:36,039 --> 00:43:37,320
in the mountains.

877
00:43:38,119 --> 00:43:40,599
Speaker 1: The regular person thinking, was this guy a freaking We're like,

878
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:47,079
this guy is a freaking.

879
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:49,199
Speaker 2: I've seen him with Freemason rings on two on these shows, bro,

880
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:52,079
Like the shows that you wouldn't even expect like that

881
00:43:52,119 --> 00:43:54,159
are sometimes.

882
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:56,199
Speaker 1: They those shows are literally made up just to give

883
00:43:56,239 --> 00:44:02,360
those motherfuckers something to do and some money. But it's like, oh,

884
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:03,760
you're in the club, but we got to give you

885
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:08,199
something to do right here, showers will watch it. But

886
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:10,000
all right? Reality TV?

887
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:13,679
Speaker 2: Yeah reality right, the hyper reality you know John Ball's

888
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:15,440
yard simula simulation.

889
00:44:15,679 --> 00:44:17,840
Speaker 1: You know, who was kind of big on first starting

890
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:22,159
that reality TV for us? Who Trump was one of

891
00:44:22,159 --> 00:44:27,519
the first out there. Russian reality Yeah, yeah, people definitely.

892
00:44:27,559 --> 00:44:31,199
Speaker 2: But it's like these people are caricatures right when they're

893
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:34,800
on these shows, like they're different people. Even the concept

894
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:37,559
of acting itself is a sort of a cult thing,

895
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:40,840
you know. I obviously I have Nick Cage behind me.

896
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:43,559
He's talked about this sort of shamanism that he does.

897
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:47,559
I did an episode with his son where Yeah, with

898
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:52,679
Nick Cage's son where shout out to Western Cage where

899
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:54,920
he told me he had to he one time he

900
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:59,719
almost got possessed, essentially, like he had to bury his

901
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:02,840
care character, bro to get rid of him from like

902
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:05,199
being inside of him.

903
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 1: Bro.

904
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:11,800
Speaker 2: These people are opening up themselves too, God knows what.

905
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 1: You know what I did? You know you went to

906
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:16,880
David Lynch at all the Twin Peaks and stuff like that.

907
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:20,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've Oh, I think I've gotten up to season

908
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:23,199
the end of season two, but I won't be honest

909
00:45:23,199 --> 00:45:24,800
with you, Bro, I haven't seen the whole thing. I

910
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:29,599
haven't seen the movie. I'm right before going into where

911
00:45:29,599 --> 00:45:32,719
I can watch the first movie of the Devil Walks

912
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:34,079
with Me or whatever it was Firewalking.

913
00:45:35,039 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna be honest.

914
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:39,639
Speaker 2: With you, Nick, and shout out to Isaac Wisehaw because

915
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:41,840
he goes hard in the pain. When it comes to

916
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:45,760
Twin Peaks, I don't see the hype.

917
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:50,119
Speaker 1: Oh, I can understand that.

918
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:51,880
Speaker 2: I don't see the hype behind that.

919
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:53,280
Speaker 1: Second season kind of sucked too.

920
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:56,199
Speaker 2: I thought the second season, No, the first season is

921
00:45:56,239 --> 00:46:01,760
an initiation if you can grind through that. Yeah, you're ready.

922
00:46:02,159 --> 00:46:06,519
Second season, getting towards the end, getting kind of weird

923
00:46:06,599 --> 00:46:08,679
right towards the vase. He told me that I'm I'm

924
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:11,639
right where it's like, this is Twin Peaks. I haven't

925
00:46:11,679 --> 00:46:14,119
finished it, but he told me that I'm there, like

926
00:46:14,159 --> 00:46:17,000
I'm at the end of season two. Then season three

927
00:46:17,039 --> 00:46:22,440
is off the wall. Yeah, craziness, like get out of here,

928
00:46:22,519 --> 00:46:25,559
this is this is wild, right, So but I don't

929
00:46:25,639 --> 00:46:30,119
understand the hype because I don't see that crazy bro like,

930
00:46:30,119 --> 00:46:31,320
I don't know maybe true.

931
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:35,559
Speaker 1: No, I get you on that. It's it has to

932
00:46:35,599 --> 00:46:37,639
be I guess for you. One thing I will say,

933
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:39,880
just to give it some give the guy some slack.

934
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:41,840
The last I think like three or four episodes of

935
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:44,480
season two David Lynch did even direct, so you can

936
00:46:44,519 --> 00:46:46,599
give him slack on that one. He had already left

937
00:46:46,599 --> 00:46:49,079
because he was upset the project and then came back.

938
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:52,599
But so something we were talking about letting things in

939
00:46:52,679 --> 00:46:55,360
and you were saying that Nicholas Cage's son said whatever.

940
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:58,159
I was watching an interview with David Lynch and it

941
00:46:58,199 --> 00:47:00,599
was right after like the whole stuff. I think Weinstein,

942
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:03,639
maybe Epstein came out and they had asked him, like

943
00:47:03,639 --> 00:47:05,679
his opinion on that. He really didn't say much about it,

944
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:07,719
but he was just saying that he understands that a

945
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:10,440
lot of that's going on. And he's like, you know,

946
00:47:10,639 --> 00:47:13,039
if how did he say it? He said something to

947
00:47:13,079 --> 00:47:16,480
the fact that he provides a safe place. He says,

948
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:18,679
you have to understand people are coming here and allowing

949
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:20,760
things to come within them. You need to provide a

950
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:22,519
safe place with that. And I was like, Yo, this

951
00:47:22,639 --> 00:47:27,119
dude just said what this guy's admitting, Like, like, what

952
00:47:27,159 --> 00:47:29,480
do you what are you taking? Taking your character on

953
00:47:29,559 --> 00:47:31,199
and invoking it in I mean, that's.

954
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:33,559
Speaker 2: The whole that's the whole concept of Twin Peaks possession.

955
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:37,239
Speaker 1: So I thought it was interesting that he said that. Then,

956
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:39,320
like what you were saying, allowing things into you? Sometimes

957
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:43,480
I think these characters, you know, maybe might be something

958
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:48,800
behind them. I think that, well, I just really become

959
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:50,159
that character almost to an extent.

960
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:53,199
Speaker 2: I couldn't. I'm gonna be honest with you, bro, I

961
00:47:53,199 --> 00:47:56,519
don't think I could be friends with an actor because

962
00:47:56,519 --> 00:47:59,199
how would you know when they're being genuine not right?

963
00:48:00,039 --> 00:48:01,639
Speaker 1: It could be just like a lion liberal, like just

964
00:48:01,679 --> 00:48:03,719
fucking bullshit. In your face.

965
00:48:05,159 --> 00:48:07,519
Speaker 2: That's a politician, bro. I mean, politicians can tell you

966
00:48:07,559 --> 00:48:09,679
one thing to your face and just like scam you.

967
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:11,880
So I don't think I could be friends with with

968
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:14,199
Like how would you know if that's even the real person?

969
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:17,360
Like almost like you know, Nick Cage talks about it

970
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:20,159
preparing himself and and you know, kind of sort of

971
00:48:20,159 --> 00:48:23,119
method acting. And one of his latest movies that he

972
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:29,559
put out, uh the uh Daddy Long Legs not Daddy

973
00:48:29,599 --> 00:48:33,920
Long Long Legs, was kind of sort of I don't

974
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:35,239
know if you've seen that where we gotta check that

975
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:38,519
movie out, but I've heard it. It was kind of

976
00:48:38,599 --> 00:48:41,320
crazy like that where he became. He even had like

977
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:44,719
special effects, like like a mask on essentially like this

978
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:47,760
he was he wasn't truly him. But I went to

979
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:52,480
go see that movie in theaters, bro, and after the fact, right,

980
00:48:52,599 --> 00:48:54,000
I had no idea what it was about on you

981
00:48:54,159 --> 00:48:57,920
was a horror movie, but I took I took my

982
00:48:57,960 --> 00:48:58,400
wife with me.

983
00:48:58,480 --> 00:48:58,599
Speaker 1: Right.

984
00:48:58,639 --> 00:49:00,679
Speaker 2: She was pissed because she doesn't like movies that are

985
00:49:00,679 --> 00:49:03,400
about like possession and like demons and stuff like that.

986
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:06,519
She was pissed because it was about that. And I'm like, yeah,

987
00:49:06,519 --> 00:49:09,760
I promise you I know it was gonna be like this.

988
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:12,159
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have thought that that was what the movie

989
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:15,480
was about, bro, because I've seen the coming attractions this

990
00:49:15,599 --> 00:49:17,679
movie crazy, but I didn't think that.

991
00:49:18,159 --> 00:49:21,199
Speaker 2: When I was in the theater, like made my heart,

992
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:24,679
like I felt weird, right, Like I felt weird. And

993
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:26,039
I'm watching this movie and at the end of the

994
00:49:26,079 --> 00:49:29,239
movie's like heyl say and heyl say, and like this craziness, Bro,

995
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:32,519
like this crazy ass shit. And then it come to

996
00:49:32,559 --> 00:49:36,079
find out there are sounds in the movie that you hear,

997
00:49:36,159 --> 00:49:38,559
right you're talking about, like hearing your name and shit.

998
00:49:38,639 --> 00:49:40,960
Sometimes I'll hear my sometimes I hear sometimes I hear

999
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:42,760
my name, Bro. I don't know about you, but like

1000
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:47,239
I'll hear my name be called in the distance or something,

1001
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:50,480
and I'll turn around there's nobody there. I don't know

1002
00:49:50,519 --> 00:49:53,920
if I'm if I'm skit sell yet, but I've had

1003
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:58,000
it happen to me, so uh, in this movie, there's sounds,

1004
00:49:58,199 --> 00:50:00,559
like the soundtrack is crazy and there's like these weird

1005
00:50:00,639 --> 00:50:03,599
sounds that you hear. Come to find out, after I

1006
00:50:03,599 --> 00:50:06,320
watched them, we did some research on it turns out

1007
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:11,719
that the directors that directed the movie put backtracking in

1008
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:15,840
the movie and they put sounds like messages in the

1009
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:19,719
movie after Like so the sounds that we were hearing

1010
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:22,039
were actually work. You can take it, play it backwards

1011
00:50:22,039 --> 00:50:27,079
and it was actually a message. Oh backward, yeah, backmasking,

1012
00:50:27,159 --> 00:50:29,159
so which Crowley did and all that he was, you know,

1013
00:50:29,199 --> 00:50:31,800
telling people to think backwards and listen to things backwards,

1014
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:34,880
the Beatles and all these crazy things. I even heard

1015
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:37,159
Lil Wayne sometimes that they I don't know, like the

1016
00:50:37,199 --> 00:50:39,159
early days of YouTube, where it was like Lil Wayne,

1017
00:50:39,639 --> 00:50:41,599
play it backwards and you can hear a message in

1018
00:50:41,639 --> 00:50:43,559
and it was like this whole Sometimes I think that's

1019
00:50:43,559 --> 00:50:46,719
like a paradolia type of thing, where you can hear

1020
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:50,639
things if you think that's what you're hearing.

1021
00:50:51,079 --> 00:50:53,639
Speaker 1: Right. Yeah, some of the you know, it's funny, some

1022
00:50:53,679 --> 00:50:55,639
of the special intros that I've made for certain shows,

1023
00:50:55,679 --> 00:50:57,519
I've actually done that to see if anybody would have

1024
00:50:57,519 --> 00:50:59,159
to play it backwards and be like, oh, I heard

1025
00:50:59,159 --> 00:50:59,920
that you put that in there?

1026
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:02,360
Speaker 2: Is that what you sent me to You're like, this

1027
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:03,760
is the occult? And I was like, what the fuck

1028
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:04,639
is No, I don't.

1029
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:06,239
Speaker 1: Know if that one had to I can't remember when

1030
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:08,119
I sent you, but there's a lot of the ones

1031
00:51:08,199 --> 00:51:11,559
there is, there's stuff backwards. I'll be totally honest with you.

1032
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:13,159
I think any prison here.

1033
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:18,920
Speaker 2: I put things in my work that I've only had

1034
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:25,320
one person tell me that they caught it, and they hadn't.

1035
00:51:25,559 --> 00:51:28,000
Nobody has caught it since then, but it was only

1036
00:51:28,039 --> 00:51:29,360
one guy. I don't know how he caught it, but

1037
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:32,039
he caught it. And I have other things that I

1038
00:51:32,079 --> 00:51:35,719
haven't talked about publicly that I can show you after.

1039
00:51:36,679 --> 00:51:37,119
Speaker 1: That's cool.

1040
00:51:37,199 --> 00:51:39,920
Speaker 2: That's part of like my synchronicities of like, yo, this

1041
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:42,719
is bizarre, right, things that would have never happened if

1042
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:45,480
I didn't like put these stupid things in your work.

1043
00:51:45,519 --> 00:51:48,000
And that's that's the kind of a I consider myself

1044
00:51:48,039 --> 00:51:51,199
like a a medic occultist, right, like I'm a medic

1045
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:56,159
magician of you will where I use memes, I use art, right,

1046
00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:59,639
and I sometimes you know, I'll put thirty three pages

1047
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:01,880
or eighty eight pages or thirty three.

1048
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:04,079
Speaker 1: Font like stupid shit like there, yo, I was just

1049
00:52:04,119 --> 00:52:07,039
gonna say, when it comes to new numbers, I will

1050
00:52:07,079 --> 00:52:10,440
do that with fun spacing where I'm putting stuff on

1051
00:52:11,199 --> 00:52:14,440
fading of transitions with video. Oh yeah, I will use

1052
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:17,159
the fuck out of thirty three, eighty eight, seventeen. I'll

1053
00:52:17,199 --> 00:52:18,400
be totally honest, three.

1054
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:22,199
Speaker 2: To sixteen, Like I use all bro, you can use.

1055
00:52:22,159 --> 00:52:25,679
Speaker 1: Those numbers off. I even set the audio to a

1056
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:28,119
full forty eight at eighty whatever just to keep going

1057
00:52:28,159 --> 00:52:29,000
with the fours in the eighths.

1058
00:52:29,119 --> 00:52:31,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, so I definitely do that. And again

1059
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:32,679
if it does something or not, don't.

1060
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:35,159
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know if I do do it.

1061
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:39,519
Speaker 2: So there's probably some of my listeners experiencing poultry guys

1062
00:52:39,519 --> 00:52:42,559
activity and shit, and they're just what the hell is

1063
00:52:42,599 --> 00:52:45,840
going on. So one of the things that I've had

1064
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:48,280
that I haven't had happen in a little bit, but

1065
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:52,880
I talked about it on a podcast on Tony Merco's

1066
00:52:52,920 --> 00:53:00,480
show Confessionals, where for a little bit I was seeing

1067
00:53:00,559 --> 00:53:04,199
like I don't know if I would call them shadow people,

1068
00:53:05,079 --> 00:53:07,800
but like shadows in the corner of my eyes, like

1069
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:13,000
the peripheral vision, but like some have that some crazy ones, bro,

1070
00:53:13,079 --> 00:53:15,159
like where I'm like, oh, there's somebody pulling up on

1071
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:18,159
me right now, like let me turn nobody there.

1072
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:21,719
Speaker 1: There was something like actually there.

1073
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:25,719
Speaker 2: Well that's yeah, Like it was like it was coming,

1074
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:28,119
you know, up on me so and I felt that

1075
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:30,199
I've experienced that a few times. When I said that

1076
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:34,079
on that show, a lot of people reached down. They're like, Yo,

1077
00:53:34,119 --> 00:53:36,280
I'm experiencing the same thing. But again, at the same time,

1078
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:39,239
I don't know if it's you know these I don't

1079
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:48,000
know if you've ever seen the human resonance posts that

1080
00:53:48,039 --> 00:53:49,880
people are like, oh, there's a spike, and then you

1081
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:51,280
see all the comment Yeah, I'm feeling it in my

1082
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:54,960
nipples or I can feel hot crashes or feel yeah,

1083
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:57,280
my balls are Like everyone's like commenting that they're feeling

1084
00:53:57,280 --> 00:53:59,599
the same thing, Like are you truly feeling something or

1085
00:53:59,639 --> 00:54:01,719
are you just feeling something because you saw the post?

1086
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:04,360
You know what I'm saying, Like you can influence people

1087
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:09,920
like that. And again, dude, I have never had anything

1088
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:13,760
like paranormal that I know of happened to me, like substantial,

1089
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:17,039
like crazy, like I've seen a UFO right, Like I've

1090
00:54:17,079 --> 00:54:20,840
seen one. And the only reason what.

1091
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:23,400
Speaker 1: I thought I've actually seen I saw something in the

1092
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:25,480
sky moving like you shouldn't be I've seen that.

1093
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:31,039
Speaker 2: The only reason I know that it was legit because

1094
00:54:31,039 --> 00:54:32,800
mind I told I told you, my wife doesn't believe

1095
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:35,079
in this shit. She was she saw it.

1096
00:54:36,519 --> 00:54:39,280
Speaker 1: Oh that's right. Yeah, so yeah, if you're kind of religious,

1097
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:40,679
made even not believe in UFOs.

1098
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:44,159
Speaker 2: So I wasn't even I know that. I don't know

1099
00:54:44,159 --> 00:54:46,039
what I saw. So therefore to the UFO R it

1100
00:54:46,079 --> 00:54:48,599
was fine and it was going across. There was you.

1101
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:51,440
I was notified to me. So and my son saw

1102
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:52,760
it too. My son was actually the one that saw

1103
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:56,280
it first. So he was like five at the time.

1104
00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:57,960
So he looks up, He's like, Daddy, was that And

1105
00:54:57,960 --> 00:55:00,440
I'm like, what the hell is that? You know, what

1106
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:02,280
the hell is even that? You know you've seen that?

1107
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:03,599
That that that meme?

1108
00:55:04,039 --> 00:55:04,159
Speaker 1: Uh?

1109
00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:06,280
Speaker 2: And I was like, what the And we looked up

1110
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:09,679
and it was completely silent, like this orange orb zipped

1111
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:12,880
across the sky bro just film. My wife was there.

1112
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:15,280
We were in the backyard, you know what I'm saying.

1113
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:19,039
Speaker 1: So now at your own house, you didn't have to

1114
00:55:19,079 --> 00:55:20,639
like you want to drive and nothing out to stop.

1115
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:23,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was alone, and I told you that story,

1116
00:55:23,159 --> 00:55:24,880
you'd be like, this guy's full of shit, right, like

1117
00:55:25,199 --> 00:55:28,440
maybe this guy you know, maybe not. But the fact

1118
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:29,920
that I was there and I have I have a

1119
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:32,760
video of my son directly after I didn't take a

1120
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:34,360
video of it because it was I was going by

1121
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:37,000
too fast. But I took a video of my son

1122
00:55:37,079 --> 00:55:39,840
directly after and like asked him, like what did you see?

1123
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:41,199
But then he got crazy. He's like, oh yeah, and

1124
00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:43,000
the little alien men came down on the ground. Like

1125
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:44,440
all right, bro, all right, chill, let me turn this

1126
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:49,400
off because you just sucked it up. He's a five

1127
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:51,559
year old boy, bro, So I'm like, Yo, this is

1128
00:55:51,559 --> 00:55:54,400
gonna be crazy. It's gonna be like a microphone dude. Yeah,

1129
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:56,960
He's like, yeah, the aliens came down and they started

1130
00:55:56,960 --> 00:55:58,920
walking around the yard. I'm like, what the fuck, dude,

1131
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:04,599
come on, man, he's definitely my son, you know what

1132
00:56:04,599 --> 00:56:10,199
I'm saying. Like, so that's the only thing I've had.

1133
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:13,280
And then obviously like the crazy synchronicities, you know, as

1134
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:15,239
far as messing with this sort of stuff. But it

1135
00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:18,239
gets to a point where, you know, I haven't joined

1136
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:20,360
any lodges or anything like that. I think that's all

1137
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:23,639
that's super gay, right, or making the jump to actually

1138
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:28,440
join an organization. But for some people, they can't fight

1139
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:30,719
the itch, bro and they read about these sort of

1140
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:33,360
things and they they want to take the leap and

1141
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:37,840
then they're in it. And then once you join an organization,

1142
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:41,199
especially in this community, you're tainted. Bro, you got that's

1143
00:56:41,239 --> 00:56:43,320
a scarlet letter for life, Like oh you were a

1144
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:47,760
free Nison Brown. Oh yeah, you're talking about the Yeah,

1145
00:56:48,119 --> 00:56:48,639
I will have.

1146
00:56:48,599 --> 00:56:50,400
Speaker 1: To say that is something which I'm surprised. I mean

1147
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:53,440
there's been a few people, but yeah, maybe two or three.

1148
00:56:53,679 --> 00:56:55,719
I've never really dealt with too much bullshit because of

1149
00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:59,000
the OTO's truth. I don't know why I actually thought

1150
00:56:59,039 --> 00:57:01,719
I would deal with more of that, like more backlash

1151
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:05,559
because you're talking Yeah, yeah, sometimes I think maybe because

1152
00:57:05,559 --> 00:57:06,639
it's just like I don't even know what the fun

1153
00:57:06,679 --> 00:57:08,119
he's saying, So I can't even argue the guy who

1154
00:57:08,119 --> 00:57:09,119
says Runner's a dick.

1155
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:14,000
Speaker 2: So what's the whole what's the whole point of the OTO? Like,

1156
00:57:14,039 --> 00:57:16,000
what's there? It's the lemic right.

1157
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:21,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, well yeah it's too I mean the whole thing

1158
00:57:21,079 --> 00:57:24,360
isn't you know, come to have a magical experience, know

1159
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:28,159
your will and to do it. The whole point of

1160
00:57:28,199 --> 00:57:29,559
the OTO though, I mean.

1161
00:57:30,639 --> 00:57:32,840
Speaker 2: Like you're in there because like the occult is all

1162
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:37,760
about getting right, getting as close to the Godhead as possible, right.

1163
00:57:37,639 --> 00:57:40,880
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I would say, it's very Kabbala based to

1164
00:57:41,079 --> 00:57:45,320
the Oto. You know, my experience there they do the

1165
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:47,599
Gnostic Mass, that's kind of like their thing of church

1166
00:57:47,679 --> 00:57:49,559
that's supposed to be showing like you know, again the

1167
00:57:49,599 --> 00:57:53,760
man crossing the Abyss, so having a magical experience, you know.

1168
00:57:54,159 --> 00:57:57,039
There they do that. They used to do classes. Sometimes

1169
00:57:57,079 --> 00:57:59,679
they would do history classes on all occultists. They would

1170
00:57:59,719 --> 00:58:02,199
do class this is on basic shit like you know

1171
00:58:02,719 --> 00:58:05,000
how to make a magic candle or some shit like that,

1172
00:58:05,199 --> 00:58:09,920
or you know talispins or sigils. But for the most part,

1173
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:12,840
I mean I stayed on. I don't know why I

1174
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:14,400
even stayed as long as I did. I think at

1175
00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:18,760
one point I actually thought like, oh, as silly as

1176
00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:20,719
it sounds, I guess it's like it is almost like

1177
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:22,840
a badge, you know what I'm saying. To an extent,

1178
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:24,360
I guess like you feel cool, you feel a part

1179
00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:26,199
of something, so you're gonna keep going. Even though I

1180
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:29,719
diver felt like I fit in. But I guess like

1181
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:32,199
my overall experience, I mean, you know, I went because

1182
00:58:32,199 --> 00:58:35,320
I wanted to learn about different ideas of magic. Meeting

1183
00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:38,119
other people that were practicing that I could bounce ideas

1184
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:41,639
off of but in my opinion, eventually you know again,

1185
00:58:41,679 --> 00:58:43,599
one of the reasons why I left is because once

1186
00:58:43,599 --> 00:58:48,199
I started having magical experiences, my opinion of that place

1187
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:53,639
changed greatly. It seems I don't know if it's the organization,

1188
00:58:53,719 --> 00:58:57,599
if it's the people. Something goes wrong somewhere and it

1189
00:58:57,639 --> 00:59:00,480
seems like they focus more on the handcuffs. They're actually

1190
00:59:00,519 --> 00:59:04,440
stopping you from having a magical experience then actually going

1191
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:07,880
in the right direction. There was things like, you know,

1192
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:12,719
you talk about the homoculous in there. Not saying that

1193
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:15,280
the book is completely right. There are some things that

1194
00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:17,039
I know for a fact is right because I have

1195
00:59:17,159 --> 00:59:20,079
done some of the initiations. But in the Secret Rights

1196
00:59:20,079 --> 00:59:21,760
of the Oto and one of the rituals, they do

1197
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:26,559
talk about the homo oculous. In my opinion, I think

1198
00:59:26,639 --> 00:59:30,000
that place to an extent, if you stick around long enough,

1199
00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:34,440
I think you're possibly a guinea pig for MKOTA experiments

1200
00:59:37,199 --> 00:59:40,519
or you'll be providing it. Well.

1201
00:59:40,519 --> 00:59:44,800
Speaker 2: This plays directly into my latest research a little bit

1202
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:49,960
where i've you know, this ancient espionage essentially and right

1203
00:59:50,039 --> 00:59:54,199
Crawley being a secret agent allegedly being able to establish

1204
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:56,880
lodges in other countries is just another way of infiltrating

1205
00:59:56,920 --> 01:00:00,400
the government without actually having to make it. No, it's like, oh,

1206
01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:03,599
what are they doing? Freedom of religion, freedom of expression

1207
01:00:03,679 --> 01:00:06,239
or whatever. Here's a bunch of a bunch of bros

1208
01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:10,159
hanging out. Meanwhile they're collecting information while they're there, and

1209
01:00:10,199 --> 01:00:13,119
it's all occulted in the occult like, oh, oh, we're

1210
01:00:13,159 --> 01:00:13,559
just doing right.

1211
01:00:13,679 --> 01:00:16,519
Speaker 1: I think. I think it is definitely information gathering too.

1212
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:19,840
Speaker 2: And who always who always joins these places? Like usually

1213
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:23,440
old rich dudes who are bored as fuck, who want

1214
01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:26,360
to hang out? Who wanted to you know?

1215
01:00:26,360 --> 01:00:29,400
Speaker 1: When I started thinking something was weird after I took

1216
01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:33,119
the second degree initiation, you're available to do certain things.

1217
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:35,719
And one of them was like to be like this

1218
01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:38,760
liaison with you, and like, fuck, what the fuck is

1219
01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:42,199
this jerk Wolston name, it's like the beta whatever some

1220
01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:44,920
dude who's like it that the O h O like

1221
01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:48,280
top of the ot O and uh, it's like a

1222
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:50,519
volunteer thing that you can do and it looks good.

1223
01:00:50,599 --> 01:00:52,480
And I had like thought about doing it because I

1224
01:00:52,519 --> 01:00:54,360
was like it seems like easy. I just got to

1225
01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:55,920
go on Skype and like talk to the guy for

1226
01:00:55,960 --> 01:00:58,079
like an hour and I thought it was once a month,

1227
01:00:58,159 --> 01:00:59,960
but it's still weird. I still thought it was weird.

1228
01:01:00,159 --> 01:01:02,280
The guy's gonna talk to you and ask you, like,

1229
01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:05,079
how's the lodge doing? And then I found out it

1230
01:01:05,119 --> 01:01:06,559
was every week, and I was like, what the fuck

1231
01:01:06,599 --> 01:01:08,440
does this dude need to ask me shit like that

1232
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:12,920
for every week? I'm like, what are you looking for?

1233
01:01:13,039 --> 01:01:16,320
My man? Honestly, what's gonna change from one week to

1234
01:01:16,360 --> 01:01:17,920
the next. Some bitch I didn't want to see what

1235
01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:20,800
the tits out did the Gnostic Mass. We had some wine,

1236
01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:22,440
we ate some cake of light, and we went the

1237
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:25,159
fuck home. What do you need? What are you looking for?

1238
01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:28,199
You're looking for something. Now, you're gathering information. If you

1239
01:01:28,239 --> 01:01:30,480
need to talk to somebody from that fucking lodge every week,

1240
01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:34,760
what's going on here? You know? And then even after

1241
01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:37,960
the second degree initiation, after you do that, they will

1242
01:01:38,039 --> 01:01:40,519
even go into and tell you certain things that will

1243
01:01:40,559 --> 01:01:43,960
actually be needed to be done for you to keep

1244
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:46,679
going up. And at one point you're handing over your

1245
01:01:46,719 --> 01:01:49,000
shit to them. And if you're fucking in a relationship,

1246
01:01:49,039 --> 01:01:51,320
it's gonna be with somebody in there. It turns into

1247
01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:55,920
a cult. Something the fuck is wrong with that? Please Wow,

1248
01:01:55,960 --> 01:01:58,199
to either get to the seventh or eighth degree, you

1249
01:01:58,239 --> 01:02:01,880
were handing your shit over to them. Now there's another

1250
01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:05,320
guy that i've Paul, you know, Paul Ravelli. I think

1251
01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:07,320
he says the ninth and tenth though, because now this

1252
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:08,000
gets confused.

1253
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:09,320
Speaker 2: How we did the show the other day.

1254
01:02:09,519 --> 01:02:11,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. He had told me that once you

1255
01:02:11,840 --> 01:02:14,239
get up to another higher degree, then everybody at that

1256
01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:17,280
degree actually gets to split what the wealth of the

1257
01:02:17,320 --> 01:02:19,239
OTO is. So now I don't know what the fuck's

1258
01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:24,679
going on. So to me, it just seems very shady,

1259
01:02:24,719 --> 01:02:27,400
my man and I again, there's just things that I've

1260
01:02:27,400 --> 01:02:32,480
seen people do for initiations, just at that point they

1261
01:02:32,519 --> 01:02:35,039
got your thumb on you in order to keep going

1262
01:02:35,199 --> 01:02:37,440
after the fifth, to go from the fifth on, they

1263
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:39,920
have to even ask you. I can't even petition anymore.

1264
01:02:41,360 --> 01:02:45,599
Speaker 2: So, because this is bro, this is some serious stuff

1265
01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:48,920
we'll be talking about, because is the OTO concerned.

1266
01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:51,119
Speaker 1: When I heard that, I knew for a fact. I'm

1267
01:02:51,159 --> 01:02:53,119
not staying. You just told me I have to give

1268
01:02:53,119 --> 01:02:55,480
you my shit. Fuck off, I'm not staying.

1269
01:02:55,639 --> 01:02:57,480
Speaker 2: Are they considered a religious organization?

1270
01:02:58,320 --> 01:03:03,199
Speaker 1: Yep, yes they are. They have all that tax breaks, dude, really, Yes,

1271
01:03:04,360 --> 01:03:05,079
they have all that.

1272
01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:08,840
Speaker 2: It sounds a lot like scientology, dude, just a different name.

1273
01:03:10,119 --> 01:03:11,920
Speaker 1: You fucking take a look at Lamb. You already got

1274
01:03:11,920 --> 01:03:14,840
a fucking alien. Look at the motherfucker. Yeah, scientology and

1275
01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:19,960
womanism in this house probably. Yeah, so yo, and Crawley

1276
01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:23,119
was obsessed. He was very impressed by Joseph Smith.

1277
01:03:24,719 --> 01:03:26,519
Speaker 2: Yes, I've heard I saw that recently.

1278
01:03:27,280 --> 01:03:27,559
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1279
01:03:29,039 --> 01:03:32,960
Speaker 2: So but what you mentioned about right having to report

1280
01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:35,519
to this guy weekly not monthly weekly.

1281
01:03:35,239 --> 01:03:36,679
Speaker 1: That's I was like, Yo, I don't want to talk

1282
01:03:36,719 --> 01:03:39,480
to this dude. What's a week. It's kind of weird.

1283
01:03:39,880 --> 01:03:41,440
But anyway, it was just like, you know, if you

1284
01:03:41,480 --> 01:03:43,280
do this sometimes I'll get it off your case because

1285
01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:45,360
like the longer there, the height you go up, they

1286
01:03:45,360 --> 01:03:47,960
want you to start getting involved in more shit. And

1287
01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:49,920
I was like, I really not. I really don't want

1288
01:03:49,920 --> 01:03:51,239
to have to go to the lodge to do that.

1289
01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:52,760
So I guess I could do a skype call once

1290
01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:56,320
a month, and I was like, once a week. The fuck. Yeah.

1291
01:03:56,360 --> 01:03:58,360
Speaker 2: So he's definitely looking for something. And you know we

1292
01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:01,119
mentioned earlier people with schizophrene, you know, people with these

1293
01:04:01,480 --> 01:04:05,320
weird aspects to themselves where you know, what if they're

1294
01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:08,239
looking for the perfect Canada. How you're saying to induce

1295
01:04:08,280 --> 01:04:12,320
in this micultra conditioning of like, yo, this nick guy

1296
01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:15,400
looks a little bit more susceptible than this other guy. Right,

1297
01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:17,760
Let's try and groom him or whatever to try and

1298
01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:20,800
get him deeper and be our you know, our watchdog there.

1299
01:04:20,840 --> 01:04:22,920
And maybe they'll start asking you things about people who

1300
01:04:22,920 --> 01:04:25,679
were there, like, hey, how does so and so react

1301
01:04:25,719 --> 01:04:26,960
when these things happen?

1302
01:04:27,039 --> 01:04:29,639
Speaker 1: So and you know, it's funny. The two people that

1303
01:04:29,679 --> 01:04:32,840
I personally knew that had that position, one was gay

1304
01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:35,199
and in Antifa, and the other one was three hundred

1305
01:04:35,239 --> 01:04:37,679
pounds and she let dudes run trains on her at

1306
01:04:37,719 --> 01:04:41,559
the note Cons every other year at the show. Even

1307
01:04:41,599 --> 01:04:44,760
the people that I know that had that position obviously

1308
01:04:44,760 --> 01:04:48,760
are fucked up. And I'm even wondering if that's why. No,

1309
01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:50,960
you know what I'm saying, those people would be easy

1310
01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:51,840
to fucking manipulate.

1311
01:04:51,920 --> 01:04:54,360
Speaker 2: I hate to say it, Yeah, yeah, no, one hundred percent.

1312
01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:57,800
Speaker 1: I mean being told to think certain fucking crazy things.

1313
01:04:57,960 --> 01:05:00,559
Speaker 2: We were talking about New York and how now there

1314
01:05:00,599 --> 01:05:03,320
are you know the people who live there like they're zombies.

1315
01:05:03,360 --> 01:05:07,079
They're in this sort of uh almost like a Stockholm

1316
01:05:07,119 --> 01:05:09,840
syndrome sort of thing where like they what is so

1317
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:13,159
special about being in New York. It's like it's a shithole, right,

1318
01:05:13,199 --> 01:05:14,800
Like that's all it is, but people.

1319
01:05:14,599 --> 01:05:15,159
Speaker 1: Want to do it.

1320
01:05:15,920 --> 01:05:19,320
Speaker 2: But maybe it's got something to do with the architecture.

1321
01:05:19,360 --> 01:05:21,480
Maybe it's got something to do with the lay lines,

1322
01:05:21,480 --> 01:05:24,880
the way the city is set up. Like I'm serious though, bro,

1323
01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:27,079
Like think about it, Like maybe it's got something to

1324
01:05:27,079 --> 01:05:30,119
do with that, because some people are drawn to these places.

1325
01:05:30,159 --> 01:05:33,960
Like everyone comes to Florida to die. That's what everyone

1326
01:05:33,960 --> 01:05:36,360
comes to Florida for. You know, when you start.

1327
01:05:36,760 --> 01:05:38,559
Speaker 1: Florida has the most of too, I think in the

1328
01:05:38,679 --> 01:05:41,440
United States amount of underground water running.

1329
01:05:41,920 --> 01:05:44,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, aqua first everywhere. Bro, it's a syeah.

1330
01:05:44,679 --> 01:05:46,480
Speaker 1: I wonder if I don't know.

1331
01:05:46,519 --> 01:05:48,880
Speaker 2: Well, Florida is the Garden of Eden, Bro. I mean

1332
01:05:48,920 --> 01:05:51,360
that's a whole other thing. But the you know, it's

1333
01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:56,039
something about being drawn to these forces. So but the

1334
01:05:56,360 --> 01:05:58,719
fact that you're telling me this of you know, it

1335
01:05:58,760 --> 01:06:00,840
just makes me think of like Free Masons and all

1336
01:06:00,880 --> 01:06:04,719
these other organizations that are the Freemasons also a religious organization,

1337
01:06:04,800 --> 01:06:05,639
Like how does that work?

1338
01:06:08,559 --> 01:06:14,559
Speaker 1: Fleam is actually considered religion? Wow? Yeah, dude, Yo, they

1339
01:06:14,639 --> 01:06:16,320
understand how to make money. Man.

1340
01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:18,960
Speaker 2: That was the whole thing with al Ron Hubbard too, right.

1341
01:06:19,000 --> 01:06:21,519
I mean, if you make a religion, you're you're gonna

1342
01:06:21,519 --> 01:06:23,239
be rich or something along those lines. That's what he

1343
01:06:23,320 --> 01:06:29,719
said something other. But again, these religions running intelligence operations,

1344
01:06:29,840 --> 01:06:32,320
like that's one hundred percent of intelligence operation.

1345
01:06:33,000 --> 01:06:34,320
Speaker 1: You know what you can do? You ever hear a

1346
01:06:34,360 --> 01:06:37,400
guide Star it's a website. No, You go on there

1347
01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:39,320
and you type in like certain like you could type

1348
01:06:39,320 --> 01:06:41,679
in Freemason lodgers or maybe certain areas of Orto templely

1349
01:06:41,719 --> 01:06:45,320
Orientice and it's actually a tax site, and you'll see

1350
01:06:45,320 --> 01:06:49,199
how much money these motherfuckers a claimant, dude, Loyal Order

1351
01:06:49,239 --> 01:06:52,639
of the Moose people are like, who the fuck is that?

1352
01:06:52,920 --> 01:06:58,639
Billions of dollars? My man, Loyal Order of the movie,

1353
01:06:58,800 --> 01:07:02,280
there's millions of Yeah, when we covered them, we had

1354
01:07:02,280 --> 01:07:05,039
already covered the Gesters, the Shriners in some other order,

1355
01:07:05,079 --> 01:07:07,119
and like they all look broke. And when we cover

1356
01:07:07,199 --> 01:07:09,079
the Loyal Order of the Moose, like, yo, these guys

1357
01:07:09,119 --> 01:07:13,119
got hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars. Yeah, yeah,

1358
01:07:13,800 --> 01:07:15,280
coming from where.

1359
01:07:15,159 --> 01:07:17,159
Speaker 2: The hell's the Loyal Order of the Moose.

1360
01:07:17,599 --> 01:07:21,480
Speaker 1: Staying they got a half half a billion. But the Freemasons,

1361
01:07:21,519 --> 01:07:24,440
the gestures of the Shrine, Shriners, who was considered to

1362
01:07:24,480 --> 01:07:27,119
be they ain't got jack ship. But all of a sudden,

1363
01:07:27,199 --> 01:07:28,960
these guys do. There's fucking money.

1364
01:07:28,719 --> 01:07:31,079
Speaker 2: Being Ah, there's a bunch of them here in Florida.

1365
01:07:31,159 --> 01:07:33,840
Speaker 1: Bro, look at that stuff. You can see how much

1366
01:07:33,880 --> 01:07:34,400
money they have.

1367
01:07:34,519 --> 01:07:40,119
Speaker 2: Man, there's three, there's three already here in Orlando, right

1368
01:07:40,159 --> 01:07:46,559
off the bat boom, this eighteen eighty eight baby, the

1369
01:07:46,599 --> 01:07:51,199
Moose Loyal Order of Moose fraternity. And you know it's

1370
01:07:51,280 --> 01:07:52,280
interesting because.

1371
01:07:54,519 --> 01:08:00,679
Speaker 1: The Moose Heart Illinoise, they own that town. Moose Heart, Yo,

1372
01:08:00,800 --> 01:08:03,519
it's theirs.

1373
01:08:03,559 --> 01:08:11,679
Speaker 2: Whoa, it's crazy, so so residential child care facility.

1374
01:08:11,719 --> 01:08:15,559
Speaker 1: That's so weird, Bro, I think I believe it in that.

1375
01:08:15,679 --> 01:08:19,479
I think whatever that thing that manson was in the

1376
01:08:19,479 --> 01:08:21,119
Boys and Girls town or whatever, I think that might

1377
01:08:21,119 --> 01:08:22,760
be one of those there or something like that in

1378
01:08:22,800 --> 01:08:23,239
there too.

1379
01:08:23,720 --> 01:08:29,359
Speaker 2: The Child's city. What that's bizarre because when you look

1380
01:08:30,039 --> 01:08:32,640
when you look at when you look at Freemasons and

1381
01:08:32,680 --> 01:08:35,800
like the Shriners, and like how they build children's hospitals.

1382
01:08:35,800 --> 01:08:40,279
They're in circuses like they're, bro, that's so weird.

1383
01:08:40,479 --> 01:08:44,800
Speaker 1: Man. Fun fact about the Shriners. Their number one major,

1384
01:08:44,880 --> 01:08:46,880
the number one surgery that they do, or at least

1385
01:08:46,880 --> 01:08:49,800
there was a few years ago, is removing spina biffdia

1386
01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:52,800
sacks so for kids backs, baby's backs, And that's the

1387
01:08:52,920 --> 01:08:58,000
number one ingredient in estate Lord's night. Zerom is fermented

1388
01:08:58,159 --> 01:09:01,720
spin of biffdia that comes off.

1389
01:09:02,039 --> 01:09:06,159
Speaker 2: Do this, look at this. In nineteen ninety four, four

1390
01:09:06,319 --> 01:09:11,479
Moose Heart employees were convicted of sexually abusing children. Two

1391
01:09:11,600 --> 01:09:14,760
years later, a Moose Heart employee was convicted of possession

1392
01:09:14,840 --> 01:09:15,359
of CP.

1393
01:09:16,560 --> 01:09:25,119
Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, dude, they got that's all Moosladge stuff. Dude, Yeah,

1394
01:09:25,399 --> 01:09:26,960
you know they getting Mouseladge money. Bro.

1395
01:09:27,960 --> 01:09:31,079
Speaker 2: So so okay, all right, so we have you know,

1396
01:09:31,159 --> 01:09:34,319
Elon Musk with the whole doge and all this other stuff, right,

1397
01:09:34,319 --> 01:09:37,640
which which is interesting because dog is is God backwards,

1398
01:09:37,720 --> 01:09:41,159
right doge, and he's running like this whole operation where

1399
01:09:41,159 --> 01:09:44,520
he's kind of exposing you know, everyone getting a kickback

1400
01:09:44,560 --> 01:09:47,960
from like these different organizations and money. And this to me, bro,

1401
01:09:48,159 --> 01:09:50,560
all it sounds like is that is like a money

1402
01:09:50,640 --> 01:09:56,880
laundering operation. But again, Nigga doesn't answer the question is

1403
01:09:56,960 --> 01:10:01,039
the occult faking gay? Can I some in? Can I

1404
01:10:01,159 --> 01:10:05,680
join the typhony no teo and summon Cuthulhu to come

1405
01:10:05,680 --> 01:10:11,520
and aid me in my real world affairs?

1406
01:10:13,159 --> 01:10:15,359
Speaker 1: No? Not really. I think that aspect of it is

1407
01:10:15,399 --> 01:10:16,279
mostly faking gay.

1408
01:10:18,560 --> 01:10:22,479
Speaker 2: So no, Cuthul, I can't summon him, and good luck?

1409
01:10:24,600 --> 01:10:25,720
Speaker 1: What do you do and let me know how you

1410
01:10:25,800 --> 01:10:26,680
did it? Please?

1411
01:10:26,800 --> 01:10:30,760
Speaker 2: Yeah? But but chaos magic is sort of you can

1412
01:10:30,800 --> 01:10:34,600
assign things for a second, right, use it for your operation,

1413
01:10:34,760 --> 01:10:36,760
and then ditch it after a second, Like would that

1414
01:10:36,800 --> 01:10:40,560
be possible where I can kind of assign, you know,

1415
01:10:40,640 --> 01:10:44,760
Cuthulhu as a placeholder for let's say Venus or Saturn

1416
01:10:44,880 --> 01:10:48,000
or something, and then invoke that and kind of, I

1417
01:10:48,039 --> 01:10:49,960
don't know, take on that persona and then just let

1418
01:10:50,039 --> 01:10:51,119
it go after the factor.

1419
01:10:52,680 --> 01:10:54,560
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's more like an eggregorous vitory

1420
01:10:54,600 --> 01:10:56,079
you're trying to like explain maybe.

1421
01:10:56,159 --> 01:10:59,920
Speaker 2: No, no, no, Like you know, I've heard, I've come

1422
01:11:00,119 --> 01:11:02,359
understand and correct me if I'm wrong. I've come to

1423
01:11:02,439 --> 01:11:05,000
understand that chaos magic is like the only thing you

1424
01:11:05,039 --> 01:11:05,520
need is.

1425
01:11:05,439 --> 01:11:08,359
Speaker 1: Just will and belief, Like, oh yeah.

1426
01:11:07,880 --> 01:11:10,239
Speaker 2: Fuck the rest. You don't need a ceremony, You don't

1427
01:11:10,279 --> 01:11:12,239
need like the garb or nothing that, none of that.

1428
01:11:12,319 --> 01:11:15,439
It's just like do it and be done with it.

1429
01:11:16,079 --> 01:11:19,600
Do your ritual with Super Mario bros. If you want to.

1430
01:11:19,640 --> 01:11:20,760
And then after the fact.

1431
01:11:20,600 --> 01:11:22,119
Speaker 1: Oh I hear, Okay, I get what you get it.

1432
01:11:22,119 --> 01:11:25,720
It's just an association for something, yes, yeah, yes, yeah

1433
01:11:25,720 --> 01:11:26,720
I believe that. Yeah.

1434
01:11:26,760 --> 01:11:30,359
Speaker 2: So again, the more I look at it, I think

1435
01:11:30,399 --> 01:11:34,600
that the true occult knowledge, the true dangerous knowledge, is

1436
01:11:34,640 --> 01:11:35,880
the whole blackmail operation.

1437
01:11:36,000 --> 01:11:36,159
Speaker 1: Bro.

1438
01:11:37,399 --> 01:11:40,520
Speaker 2: The fact that you're reporting to that guy once a month,

1439
01:11:42,680 --> 01:11:45,199
once a it's a week. I was like, that's even worse.

1440
01:11:45,359 --> 01:11:47,880
Once a week. It's trying to get dirwn people.

1441
01:11:47,920 --> 01:11:50,279
Speaker 1: Bro, you know what I'm saying, Like, that's what I was,

1442
01:11:50,359 --> 01:11:53,399
just like, what the fuck that is? Weird? Yeah?

1443
01:11:53,399 --> 01:11:56,720
Speaker 2: I know, that's that's it. So another person to.

1444
01:11:56,920 --> 01:11:58,680
Speaker 1: That, I said, was even doing that sexual shit. You know,

1445
01:11:58,720 --> 01:12:00,399
they didn't even know how to do any rich rules

1446
01:12:01,000 --> 01:12:02,840
and they were already a third degree. I was like,

1447
01:12:02,840 --> 01:12:04,520
how the fuck do you even get anyway when you

1448
01:12:04,560 --> 01:12:07,600
don't even know how to do a ritual? Quite obviously,

1449
01:12:07,640 --> 01:12:09,920
I found out a noticon she lays on her back.

1450
01:12:10,520 --> 01:12:15,119
Speaker 2: Well that's the thing, dude, Like even in right, my

1451
01:12:15,159 --> 01:12:18,640
son is in karate. I know that the dojo that

1452
01:12:18,680 --> 01:12:22,920
he goes to, some kids do get held back and

1453
01:12:22,960 --> 01:12:25,479
then they don't pass their test day, you know. But essentially,

1454
01:12:25,880 --> 01:12:27,880
and I'm sure it's the same in these organizations. You

1455
01:12:27,960 --> 01:12:31,960
pay a fee and you do your initiation, right how

1456
01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:32,319
they do it.

1457
01:12:32,439 --> 01:12:34,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's about fifty bucks.

1458
01:12:34,600 --> 01:12:36,199
Speaker 2: It's one hundred and fifty bucks.

1459
01:12:36,720 --> 01:12:40,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's how much. I think that was about the

1460
01:12:40,079 --> 01:12:41,840
average from the ones that I did. Yeah, and it

1461
01:12:41,960 --> 01:12:45,199
really I think one time I got a I got

1462
01:12:45,319 --> 01:12:48,319
a rope in a brass coin. The second time I

1463
01:12:48,319 --> 01:12:52,279
gotta I've got triangle patch really wasn't worth one hundred

1464
01:12:52,279 --> 01:12:55,520
and fifty bucks. You do get to bring some things

1465
01:12:55,520 --> 01:12:56,039
home though.

1466
01:12:56,640 --> 01:12:59,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I mean definitely. But like how you're saying,

1467
01:12:59,119 --> 01:13:02,439
maybe getting together with people who are of the same

1468
01:13:02,560 --> 01:13:04,680
mindset and all that stuff, but then you just start

1469
01:13:04,680 --> 01:13:08,119
to realize, like, man, these people are fucking retards, you know,

1470
01:13:08,319 --> 01:13:10,520
and they don't really actually know anything. They're just LARPing,

1471
01:13:10,560 --> 01:13:11,640
which is which is.

1472
01:13:12,079 --> 01:13:13,600
Speaker 1: There's a lot of that there. There was a lot

1473
01:13:13,640 --> 01:13:15,159
of that. A lot of people are there basically just

1474
01:13:15,159 --> 01:13:15,840
the worship crowle.

1475
01:13:16,600 --> 01:13:19,199
Speaker 2: Well, it's a certain demographic, right, I'm sure that those

1476
01:13:19,199 --> 01:13:22,000
people who were there were cause playing at the comic

1477
01:13:22,000 --> 01:13:28,720
con playing Dungeon the Dragons. Come on, dude, they invited

1478
01:13:28,800 --> 01:13:31,039
to go play Dungeons and Dragons with them one night.

1479
01:13:31,279 --> 01:13:33,199
Speaker 1: And you're like, this is too much.

1480
01:13:33,439 --> 01:13:36,520
Speaker 2: I'm not into this ship. So it's that sort of demographic.

1481
01:13:36,600 --> 01:13:39,600
But who was it that I was reading about. I

1482
01:13:39,640 --> 01:13:44,640
was reading about somebody that, uh, Joseph Leshouski, I think

1483
01:13:44,720 --> 01:13:46,840
is the Levuski. I don't know how to say his

1484
01:13:46,920 --> 01:13:50,079
last name, but he was allegedly the guy he worked

1485
01:13:50,079 --> 01:13:53,239
with Israel Gardi, and he was allegedly a guy who

1486
01:13:54,680 --> 01:14:00,560
had he was known for allegedly right and poking a

1487
01:14:00,600 --> 01:14:04,520
demon to like actual manifestation, like you know, like actual

1488
01:14:05,279 --> 01:14:06,039
you know, in front of him.

1489
01:14:06,079 --> 01:14:06,159
Speaker 1: Now.

1490
01:14:06,199 --> 01:14:07,960
Speaker 2: Of course, all of these guys don't take pictures of

1491
01:14:08,000 --> 01:14:10,199
these things. He also said he created a homunculus in

1492
01:14:10,239 --> 01:14:12,760
the eighties too, and then he said when he tried

1493
01:14:12,760 --> 01:14:14,359
to take a picture of it, couldn't focus, so he

1494
01:14:14,399 --> 01:14:17,800
didn't get a picture of it. But you know, he

1495
01:14:17,880 --> 01:14:20,479
wrote all the instructions down, and you know he was

1496
01:14:20,520 --> 01:14:23,159
talking to Regardi about it, and Freder Albertus and all

1497
01:14:23,159 --> 01:14:27,039
these other guys you know, in the eighties out in Utah, right,

1498
01:14:27,079 --> 01:14:29,439
which is weird, right Utah and the Mormons out there.

1499
01:14:30,119 --> 01:14:34,479
But this guy, uh, he wrote about somebody who talked

1500
01:14:34,520 --> 01:14:37,640
about I think somebody who wrote his his forward or

1501
01:14:37,680 --> 01:14:41,880
something to the book that was like, man, I regret

1502
01:14:42,159 --> 01:14:45,199
looking into the occult. I should have focused all more

1503
01:14:45,279 --> 01:14:48,279
in my life on making money instead of looking into

1504
01:14:48,319 --> 01:14:50,800
this shit because it leads to nothing and you're just

1505
01:14:50,920 --> 01:14:52,319
left with nothing at the end of the day. Like

1506
01:14:52,319 --> 01:14:54,560
how you're saying, like you can go down the rabbit

1507
01:14:54,560 --> 01:14:56,439
hole and you just come out the other side the same.

1508
01:14:57,399 --> 01:15:00,279
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I do think there's a lot with that

1509
01:15:00,279 --> 01:15:01,359
with the occult too.

1510
01:15:02,079 --> 01:15:05,159
Speaker 2: But it's probably done on purpose because the skills to

1511
01:15:05,199 --> 01:15:07,600
start a lodge and just take other people's shit. It's

1512
01:15:07,600 --> 01:15:08,039
a cult.

1513
01:15:09,680 --> 01:15:12,359
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, look at the guy who created Wicka.

1514
01:15:12,960 --> 01:15:17,199
He was actually a disciple, well disciple he studied underneath Croley,

1515
01:15:17,239 --> 01:15:19,119
and Croly even gave him permission to open up an

1516
01:15:19,119 --> 01:15:21,039
Oto lodge and he said, nah, I guess I'll go

1517
01:15:21,159 --> 01:15:23,560
start Wicka Blake because it made more money and the

1518
01:15:23,680 --> 01:15:27,000
lodge would have Really yeah, I think all that was

1519
01:15:27,199 --> 01:15:30,520
just to make money. I mean even even I'll be

1520
01:15:30,520 --> 01:15:33,239
telling you even the oto. They consider Wicka like Thelema Light,

1521
01:15:33,760 --> 01:15:34,760
like hew Cure.

1522
01:15:36,640 --> 01:15:41,479
Speaker 2: The craft that was. Let's see here Wica just in

1523
01:15:41,560 --> 01:15:46,319
twentieth century hermetic motifs for theological and virtual purposes.

1524
01:15:47,000 --> 01:15:50,920
Speaker 1: Right. Yeah, well General Gardner, Yeah.

1525
01:15:50,760 --> 01:15:55,119
Speaker 2: Gardner says here. Doreen Valentin joined Gardner in nineteen fifties. Yeah,

1526
01:15:55,159 --> 01:16:00,520
Drug Gardner a retired British civil servant. Huh, he said.

1527
01:16:00,520 --> 01:16:01,680
This guy worked with Crowley.

1528
01:16:02,399 --> 01:16:06,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, Crowley had given him permission to open up a launch.

1529
01:16:06,880 --> 01:16:09,439
Speaker 2: Guy looks like he had a cock ring one hundred percent, dude,

1530
01:16:10,000 --> 01:16:12,560
like on his actual like a prince alb or whatever

1531
01:16:12,560 --> 01:16:14,920
they call it. This guy, Bro, look at this guy's face.

1532
01:16:15,680 --> 01:16:16,800
Speaker 1: Yo, he's bucked out looking.

1533
01:16:16,840 --> 01:16:18,720
Speaker 2: Look at this guy. This guy looks like a fucking

1534
01:16:19,159 --> 01:16:21,399
he did. This guy was part of the Royal Order

1535
01:16:21,399 --> 01:16:21,920
of the Moose.

1536
01:16:22,920 --> 01:16:25,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, where'd you go?

1537
01:16:25,960 --> 01:16:26,920
Speaker 2: Where do you go? Where do you go?

1538
01:16:28,399 --> 01:16:28,520
Speaker 1: There?

1539
01:16:28,520 --> 01:16:30,439
Speaker 2: He is? Look at this guy?

1540
01:16:30,479 --> 01:16:32,880
Speaker 1: Bro? Wait, you know, and that guy I think I

1541
01:16:32,880 --> 01:16:34,920
think he would actually like do his stuff like naked

1542
01:16:34,920 --> 01:16:36,960
out in the woods too. Oh.

1543
01:16:37,039 --> 01:16:41,199
Speaker 2: Bro, there's a bunch of weirdos. Man Like, dude, I'm

1544
01:16:41,239 --> 01:16:44,159
kind of shook with this moose Heart thing. Moose Heart

1545
01:16:44,159 --> 01:16:49,239
Illinois and then the Home for Children. Bro, that's so weird, man,

1546
01:16:49,560 --> 01:16:54,159
look at this. The Children's Museum Zoo Yo.

1547
01:16:54,279 --> 01:16:56,079
Speaker 1: He did like a three part series on them. It

1548
01:16:56,119 --> 01:16:56,800
was fucking weird.

1549
01:16:56,880 --> 01:17:00,520
Speaker 2: On the moon Art, yeah, we were like, yo, what, Yeah,

1550
01:17:00,560 --> 01:17:02,000
that's crazy bro.

1551
01:17:02,880 --> 01:17:04,640
Speaker 1: You know who was associated with that. That's how we

1552
01:17:04,680 --> 01:17:09,520
even got interested in a John Wayne Gacy into Wika

1553
01:17:10,479 --> 01:17:12,960
No Moosehart he was. He was using the Moose Lodge

1554
01:17:13,560 --> 01:17:17,520
really yeah. Yeah, he's even He's even taking pictures in

1555
01:17:17,600 --> 01:17:20,840
a parade with Carter's wife. He was also very political too.

1556
01:17:22,119 --> 01:17:23,439
Speaker 2: The serial killer.

1557
01:17:23,800 --> 01:17:26,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's that's what got us into even looking

1558
01:17:26,199 --> 01:17:28,199
into moosart is because we found out he was involved

1559
01:17:28,199 --> 01:17:29,680
in it. We're like, oh, we gotta look into.

1560
01:17:29,600 --> 01:17:31,560
Speaker 2: That because you know what, I think that. I think

1561
01:17:31,600 --> 01:17:33,840
that serial killers are part of this whole thing too.

1562
01:17:34,479 --> 01:17:37,800
Oh they're programmed and and they turned a blind eye

1563
01:17:37,840 --> 01:17:40,640
to see how it evolves. It's it's amunculus, bro, because

1564
01:17:40,680 --> 01:17:44,000
like you can either use the homunculus to acquire godlike

1565
01:17:44,079 --> 01:17:46,640
powers or you can release it into the wild and

1566
01:17:46,800 --> 01:17:47,640
let it do its thing.

1567
01:17:48,159 --> 01:17:48,359
Speaker 1: Right.

1568
01:17:48,479 --> 01:17:51,199
Speaker 2: That's yes, And I think that's how Dahmer got away

1569
01:17:51,239 --> 01:17:53,880
with so many things for so long and a lot

1570
01:17:53,920 --> 01:17:56,800
of these guys got a lot. You're telling me he

1571
01:17:56,880 --> 01:18:00,840
was political talking to press and ship.

1572
01:18:03,359 --> 01:18:05,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, h what.

1573
01:18:06,840 --> 01:18:08,399
Speaker 2: John Way, that's the.

1574
01:18:10,279 --> 01:18:12,600
Speaker 1: You know he even like he was involved with the

1575
01:18:12,680 --> 01:18:14,680
JCS when he was in prison, and that's like some

1576
01:18:14,760 --> 01:18:15,479
other type.

1577
01:18:15,239 --> 01:18:17,760
Speaker 2: Of thing as a clown.

1578
01:18:18,680 --> 01:18:20,880
Speaker 1: Yeah with the balloons that says thirty three flavors on it.

1579
01:18:21,800 --> 01:18:28,479
Really yeah, yeah, yo. He he had a kid who

1580
01:18:28,520 --> 01:18:31,560
worked for him, Robert Pasky, I think it was his name.

1581
01:18:32,319 --> 01:18:36,079
And that guy connects to uh Norman, this guy John

1582
01:18:36,159 --> 01:18:38,960
John Norman I think who was down in Texas that

1583
01:18:39,119 --> 01:18:43,159
was running a child sex ring. It was it was

1584
01:18:43,199 --> 01:18:45,680
so crazy that like he actually had like do you

1585
01:18:45,680 --> 01:18:47,840
know those old recipe draws you know your parents or

1586
01:18:47,840 --> 01:18:49,520
your grandmother would have with all those cards in him

1587
01:18:49,520 --> 01:18:52,119
for the little recipes. Yeah, they actually had people and

1588
01:18:52,199 --> 01:18:54,760
names and stuff that like were you know, there were

1589
01:18:54,760 --> 01:18:57,039
clients and the cops when they even busted him. You

1590
01:18:57,039 --> 01:18:59,479
can't even listen to cops say there was people's names

1591
01:18:59,479 --> 01:19:01,199
in there that he even came out and mentioned him.

1592
01:19:01,319 --> 01:19:02,399
People would be shocked.

1593
01:19:03,680 --> 01:19:07,399
Speaker 2: Bro it says here John Wayne Gacy, American serial killer

1594
01:19:07,399 --> 01:19:10,199
and sex defender who raped tortured or murdered at least

1595
01:19:10,319 --> 01:19:14,760
thirty three young men and boys. Yep, that thirty three again.

1596
01:19:14,800 --> 01:19:15,000
Speaker 1: Bro.

1597
01:19:17,000 --> 01:19:19,479
Speaker 2: He became known as the Killer Clown Dude to his

1598
01:19:19,520 --> 01:19:22,000
public performances as a clown prior to the discovery of

1599
01:19:22,000 --> 01:19:30,000
his crimes. Yeahs, dude, Eh, that's crazy man. The fact,

1600
01:19:30,079 --> 01:19:33,159
you know, I'm sure you've seen like the NEPHLM is

1601
01:19:34,039 --> 01:19:38,720
as Clowns, a series that that guy Paul has. But

1602
01:19:39,319 --> 01:19:41,039
when you start looking into this again, I think that

1603
01:19:41,159 --> 01:19:43,800
the the actual co knowledge is that blackmail, right, Like

1604
01:19:43,880 --> 01:19:48,039
the how you're saying this guy was it from this

1605
01:19:48,640 --> 01:19:51,039
case that they found the recipe books with people's names

1606
01:19:51,039 --> 01:19:51,319
in it.

1607
01:19:52,880 --> 01:19:55,000
Speaker 1: That guy had gotten busted. I think it was just

1608
01:19:55,039 --> 01:19:57,800
like there were two separate, you know, scenarios, and I

1609
01:19:57,840 --> 01:20:00,640
think they ended up realizing because of drop pass game

1610
01:20:00,680 --> 01:20:02,680
maybe a few other things, that they actually connected and

1611
01:20:02,680 --> 01:20:05,279
they might have actually known each other. It's a believe

1612
01:20:05,279 --> 01:20:06,439
it or not. It's something that came out a few

1613
01:20:06,479 --> 01:20:08,479
years ago with like Peacock when they did a series

1614
01:20:08,520 --> 01:20:10,239
on Gacy. They even get into this.

1615
01:20:11,000 --> 01:20:14,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's something about, right, like serial killers in

1616
01:20:14,640 --> 01:20:18,520
society that they're like kind of infatuated with like wanting

1617
01:20:18,560 --> 01:20:23,119
to how many Domer documentaries are there? Right, like people

1618
01:20:23,159 --> 01:20:25,159
think he's hot and then that one, that one.

1619
01:20:26,399 --> 01:20:28,920
Speaker 1: That's another reason why I think we know these is

1620
01:20:28,960 --> 01:20:30,600
because it's like, all right, they're kind of in an

1621
01:20:30,600 --> 01:20:32,640
experiment and we're gonna make money off of selling it

1622
01:20:32,640 --> 01:20:34,800
to to the public too. That's why I think it's

1623
01:20:34,840 --> 01:20:40,159
even put in our faces so much. Yeah, bro, they

1624
01:20:40,199 --> 01:20:42,960
all bullshit and they're they're just being Soltos.

1625
01:20:43,760 --> 01:20:47,680
Speaker 2: Oh bro, yeah, that's.

1626
01:20:47,479 --> 01:20:51,079
Speaker 1: There's certain things, certain sick ship that another human being

1627
01:20:51,079 --> 01:20:53,239
will do that you won't hear jack shit about. But

1628
01:20:53,640 --> 01:20:56,199
what's the reason this one gets picked? And when you

1629
01:20:56,199 --> 01:20:59,880
start looking at him, they never make any sense. There's

1630
01:21:00,000 --> 01:21:01,760
it was like weird shady shit going on.

1631
01:21:01,880 --> 01:21:03,800
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, like the like the story of how they

1632
01:21:03,840 --> 01:21:07,079
you know, yeah, like you know, I used Dahmer a lot,

1633
01:21:07,119 --> 01:21:09,920
but he had that one Chinese guy who was trying

1634
01:21:09,920 --> 01:21:13,079
to turn into a zombie h And also Dahmer was

1635
01:21:13,119 --> 01:21:15,439
into the occult bro. He was making an altar that

1636
01:21:15,479 --> 01:21:19,840
he never finished with their goals, Like they never talked

1637
01:21:19,840 --> 01:21:21,760
about that where they're like, yo, so what are you

1638
01:21:21,800 --> 01:21:27,000
doing with this? So Dahmer skull alter and he was

1639
01:21:27,039 --> 01:21:32,560
trying to like make uh a zombie with that Chinese guy.

1640
01:21:32,600 --> 01:21:36,159
But he drew his altar. This is what allegedly would

1641
01:21:36,159 --> 01:21:38,520
it looked like. And he said he hadn't gone enough

1642
01:21:39,319 --> 01:21:41,960
skulls for it. But here you go right here, Yeah,

1643
01:21:42,000 --> 01:21:46,000
this is it. So Dahmer's Temple of skulls. Bro what

1644
01:21:48,199 --> 01:21:54,359
no painted skeletons, black table, blue lights.

1645
01:21:55,079 --> 01:21:55,840
Speaker 1: That's interesting.

1646
01:21:56,159 --> 01:21:58,920
Speaker 2: You got like some candles and stuff here, painted scale. Yeah,

1647
01:21:58,960 --> 01:22:04,039
so and under that's gonna be. That was gonna be real.

1648
01:22:04,840 --> 01:22:08,000
Look at somebody that black table was up higher. It

1649
01:22:08,039 --> 01:22:10,159
almost looks like the Stellar the revelation that we're looking

1650
01:22:10,159 --> 01:22:15,199
at before. Oh yeah, yeah. But let's say that this

1651
01:22:15,439 --> 01:22:18,520
was like some you know, Mike Ultra patient gone wild

1652
01:22:18,600 --> 01:22:20,640
and they were just studying him from the shadows, because

1653
01:22:20,640 --> 01:22:23,119
we know that the government would do something like that, right,

1654
01:22:23,840 --> 01:22:24,680
do that with cults.

1655
01:22:24,800 --> 01:22:26,640
Speaker 1: I think they're involved with cults and like, oh, let's

1656
01:22:26,640 --> 01:22:28,800
see what how much you can mindfuck these people, what

1657
01:22:28,880 --> 01:22:30,680
you can make them do? And then they just come

1658
01:22:30,720 --> 01:22:32,680
in and like, oh yeah, we got to stop this now.

1659
01:22:34,880 --> 01:22:37,960
Speaker 2: And I think that that's what the whole study Alien

1660
01:22:38,000 --> 01:22:41,600
disclosure thing that's coming out now too, because if you

1661
01:22:41,640 --> 01:22:44,319
look at it. A lot of these religions scientology and

1662
01:22:44,720 --> 01:22:52,159
more are UFO cults. Yeah, Like I would even consider Thelima.

1663
01:22:51,800 --> 01:22:55,520
Speaker 1: A UFO cult, think about it and argue with that.

1664
01:22:55,600 --> 01:22:57,560
I could argue with that what I'm saying, like your

1665
01:22:58,039 --> 01:23:01,039
depiction of a gray Unfortunately, it does come from Crowley

1666
01:23:01,039 --> 01:23:01,520
in a sense.

1667
01:23:01,760 --> 01:23:05,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're you're talking. You know, you were influenced. Now

1668
01:23:08,960 --> 01:23:11,600
there's a distinction though, because Lamb was one thing and

1669
01:23:11,720 --> 01:23:15,119
Iowas was another thing, and Iowas was the was the

1670
01:23:15,239 --> 01:23:18,880
entity that gave him the Book of the Law, and

1671
01:23:19,000 --> 01:23:21,119
Lamb was the thing he saw in his New York

1672
01:23:21,159 --> 01:23:24,720
apartment that one day where he was doing the Amalantra working.

1673
01:23:25,720 --> 01:23:27,600
Speaker 1: And I think, like with an Nokia magic too, it

1674
01:23:27,600 --> 01:23:31,680
could be wrong with that, Oh there you go. Yeah,

1675
01:23:31,720 --> 01:23:34,520
I think it was something like he contacted with magic.

1676
01:23:34,439 --> 01:23:36,000
Speaker 2: Which is part of the OTO as well.

1677
01:23:36,079 --> 01:23:39,880
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, they do, Yeah, they do kind of promote

1678
01:23:39,920 --> 01:23:45,279
that it's kind of, you know, higher magic. I guess

1679
01:23:45,319 --> 01:23:47,399
more advanced for sure.

1680
01:23:47,760 --> 01:23:49,960
Speaker 2: Because I've heard that's one of the most dangerous forms

1681
01:23:50,000 --> 01:23:53,720
of magic and that it's Yeah, I honestly I see,

1682
01:23:53,720 --> 01:23:57,840
like when it comes to my experiences, I think you've

1683
01:23:57,840 --> 01:24:00,199
probably maybe heard it or maybe I've said certain things

1684
01:24:00,239 --> 01:24:04,159
to my experience with magic, even my experiences I think

1685
01:24:04,199 --> 01:24:04,840
are very basic.

1686
01:24:04,920 --> 01:24:07,720
Speaker 1: I do actually think Minocchio magic. I actually think you

1687
01:24:07,840 --> 01:24:13,800
might be kind of sending yourself to specific places.

1688
01:24:14,279 --> 01:24:16,199
Speaker 2: Well, I believe it, dude. I think that kind of.

1689
01:24:16,239 --> 01:24:19,920
Speaker 1: Like why it's so like you know, water, water, air,

1690
01:24:20,000 --> 01:24:23,119
water air, you know why it's so that that whole thing.

1691
01:24:23,199 --> 01:24:26,399
I think it's very You're getting very pinpointing and specific

1692
01:24:27,159 --> 01:24:28,239
on certain experiences.

1693
01:24:28,359 --> 01:24:30,680
Speaker 2: One of my dreams and anyone listening that wants to

1694
01:24:30,680 --> 01:24:34,239
help fund the project, is to make a John Dineword

1695
01:24:34,279 --> 01:24:38,239
Kelly movie or a series, right, I think that that

1696
01:24:38,239 --> 01:24:40,479
would be a hit. There's nothing on that. No one's

1697
01:24:40,520 --> 01:24:43,319
ever done it, you know. And I think that they

1698
01:24:43,319 --> 01:24:46,520
were onto something. I think that they were even if

1699
01:24:47,119 --> 01:24:49,159
again because I can't I can't help but think was

1700
01:24:49,199 --> 01:24:50,960
it all bullshit? Right? Like that's the whole thing, Like,

1701
01:24:51,079 --> 01:24:51,680
is it bullshit?

1702
01:24:51,800 --> 01:24:53,399
Speaker 1: Is it not? I think the new stuff? But they

1703
01:24:53,399 --> 01:24:54,119
scammed people?

1704
01:24:55,000 --> 01:24:57,239
Speaker 2: You think they occulted it on liked they they left

1705
01:24:57,239 --> 01:24:57,680
things out?

1706
01:24:57,720 --> 01:25:00,199
Speaker 1: You think, Yeah, I think they just told you what

1707
01:25:00,239 --> 01:25:04,199
they wanted to know. Yeah, I do think that's a

1708
01:25:04,239 --> 01:25:05,880
little bit of shilling going on, But I do think

1709
01:25:05,920 --> 01:25:08,640
they are of the knowing. I do you think those

1710
01:25:08,640 --> 01:25:09,600
guys are onto something?

1711
01:25:09,640 --> 01:25:14,920
Speaker 2: Because you got to remember that John dee knew about

1712
01:25:15,520 --> 01:25:18,800
you know, Trithenius, which was the father of cryptography, which

1713
01:25:19,359 --> 01:25:23,920
was all about hiding messages and writing. So who's to

1714
01:25:23,960 --> 01:25:25,880
say that he did in occult it right? And I

1715
01:25:25,920 --> 01:25:30,119
think that I think that maybe let's say that trust.

1716
01:25:30,640 --> 01:25:32,319
Speaker 1: Because I do think that goes on a lot too.

1717
01:25:32,640 --> 01:25:34,119
I think things are ciphered.

1718
01:25:34,279 --> 01:25:35,920
Speaker 2: There you go. Let's say that it is real. Let's

1719
01:25:35,920 --> 01:25:38,159
say that it does work. But the system that we

1720
01:25:38,319 --> 01:25:41,960
have is flawed. And the reason that we're not initiates

1721
01:25:42,840 --> 01:25:44,960
and we don't know the true secrets. We don't we

1722
01:25:45,000 --> 01:25:47,399
don't know the secret word right of the temple? Whatever

1723
01:25:47,399 --> 01:25:49,560
the hell is that the Freemasons say, right, we don't

1724
01:25:49,560 --> 01:25:51,800
know how to build the temple because you're not initiated, right,

1725
01:25:52,359 --> 01:25:56,399
So maybe it is a thing. And I think that

1726
01:25:58,279 --> 01:26:03,119
part of the occult is about out transmitting information freely

1727
01:26:03,479 --> 01:26:06,000
while encoding it. That's what alchemy is, right. You have

1728
01:26:06,079 --> 01:26:10,520
the symbols, The symbols are there, Read them, bitch. Try

1729
01:26:10,600 --> 01:26:13,199
You're not gonna know how because you're not initiated, right,

1730
01:26:13,520 --> 01:26:17,199
So it's about putting it out front, but then only

1731
01:26:17,279 --> 01:26:20,600
those right Max Heidel. I think it was that wrote

1732
01:26:20,960 --> 01:26:24,520
to the initiate, the text means something completely different than

1733
01:26:24,560 --> 01:26:25,479
to the non initiate.

1734
01:26:26,159 --> 01:26:27,319
Speaker 1: Yes, I agree with that.

1735
01:26:27,680 --> 01:26:29,479
Speaker 2: And they kind of see they see through it, right.

1736
01:26:30,399 --> 01:26:33,119
Speaker 1: I think was huge with that too, you.

1737
01:26:33,000 --> 01:26:36,319
Speaker 2: Think so so so have you ever seen the concept

1738
01:26:36,319 --> 01:26:40,920
that the Book of the Law was a mathematical equation.

1739
01:26:42,560 --> 01:26:45,079
Speaker 1: Because of that uh, because of that thing and there

1740
01:26:45,079 --> 01:26:46,560
where it kind of like gives that whole like this

1741
01:26:46,680 --> 01:26:49,039
equals that and all that stuff that there is like

1742
01:26:49,079 --> 01:26:52,640
a cipher in there. There's nothing like the psychoanine type stuff.

1743
01:26:53,880 --> 01:26:56,079
Speaker 2: I don't know, but there's a there's another book called

1744
01:26:56,159 --> 01:26:59,560
the The Rights of cur Law and it was a

1745
01:26:59,720 --> 01:27:03,880
this on the typhony and Oto in Miami because they

1746
01:27:03,880 --> 01:27:07,239
consider Miami a power zone or something like that, some

1747
01:27:07,279 --> 01:27:13,560
crazy shit. They He conducted a ritual with his chick

1748
01:27:14,840 --> 01:27:19,920
and it was supposed to induce an abduction. And what

1749
01:27:20,000 --> 01:27:22,000
he ended up doing was, I'll tell you how he

1750
01:27:22,039 --> 01:27:24,640
did it. He did the dead man's pose right, the

1751
01:27:26,000 --> 01:27:29,079
mummy pose essentially right, and he had the tip of

1752
01:27:29,119 --> 01:27:33,039
his dick out on the top right of the banded

1753
01:27:33,239 --> 01:27:35,199
bandages or whatever. He had the tip of his dick out,

1754
01:27:35,439 --> 01:27:37,800
and he had his chick with a vibrator like edge

1755
01:27:37,840 --> 01:27:41,159
of them. I guess right to orgasm. And then he

1756
01:27:41,199 --> 01:27:43,199
would go into this altered recu is the sex magic

1757
01:27:43,439 --> 01:27:48,880
go into this altered state, and he allegedly was abducted

1758
01:27:48,960 --> 01:27:54,520
by these Cuthulhu entities craft who ran a train on him. Okay,

1759
01:27:55,199 --> 01:27:59,840
they ran a train on him and he got impregnated. Okay,

1760
01:28:00,680 --> 01:28:05,680
he wasn't pregnated with this sort of numerical entity parasite

1761
01:28:05,720 --> 01:28:08,279
if you will. And then he was able to read

1762
01:28:08,319 --> 01:28:10,159
this code. There's a whole book on it. Peter Lavenda

1763
01:28:10,399 --> 01:28:15,000
wrote about it, bro, oh okay, where he could see

1764
01:28:15,000 --> 01:28:16,880
this code in the Book of the Law and it

1765
01:28:16,960 --> 01:28:20,199
was supposed to uh. I think it was linked to

1766
01:28:20,199 --> 01:28:26,000
the number pi. And it proved, like he said, that

1767
01:28:26,119 --> 01:28:28,680
every single different god and God has had a different

1768
01:28:28,720 --> 01:28:32,119
numerical value. Again, I don't know the specific say. I

1769
01:28:32,159 --> 01:28:35,520
didn't get into the mathematical part of it, but I

1770
01:28:35,520 --> 01:28:37,079
can send you the book, bro, you can kind of

1771
01:28:37,079 --> 01:28:39,439
sort of nobody. It was Peter Lavenda and this dude.

1772
01:28:39,840 --> 01:28:43,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's really interesting. The typhony and Oto, So did

1773
01:28:43,640 --> 01:28:46,279
you think there is possibly that book is ciphered as well?

1774
01:28:46,760 --> 01:28:50,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, but again we're never gonna know or was crawly

1775
01:28:50,640 --> 01:28:52,960
full of shit and we're you know, how many times

1776
01:28:53,000 --> 01:28:56,079
I think how many dots are connecting that aren't even there?

1777
01:28:58,399 --> 01:28:59,359
You know what I'm saying?

1778
01:28:59,720 --> 01:29:03,279
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, there was, uh all right, even put it

1779
01:29:03,319 --> 01:29:06,399
this way, there was there was a book called The

1780
01:29:06,439 --> 01:29:07,960
Vision of the Voice. You know, people might have heard

1781
01:29:07,960 --> 01:29:11,000
of it. Lisa from The Occult Rejects when she lived

1782
01:29:11,000 --> 01:29:13,880
in Austin, she went to the library that that book.

1783
01:29:14,000 --> 01:29:16,520
When he was writing it, he had like a book

1784
01:29:16,560 --> 01:29:19,560
that had you know, like before it was published, is

1785
01:29:19,600 --> 01:29:23,039
there and that has all his notes, like he's writing

1786
01:29:23,079 --> 01:29:27,279
stuff in there, and she went to go look at it,

1787
01:29:27,319 --> 01:29:29,279
and like there was times when he brings up Rose

1788
01:29:29,279 --> 01:29:31,920
a lot. People always think it's you know that girl,

1789
01:29:32,800 --> 01:29:34,920
And inside that book you can actually see him doing

1790
01:29:35,000 --> 01:29:39,840
the math for Jamatria for Rose, and it's obviously, in

1791
01:29:39,880 --> 01:29:42,239
my opinion, like what I'm getting as you could see

1792
01:29:42,239 --> 01:29:45,800
that in my opinion, he's he's using that name for

1793
01:29:45,920 --> 01:29:48,159
something completely different than why you think. You're reading it.

1794
01:29:49,960 --> 01:29:52,279
You're watching his notes, you're seeing like to what he's

1795
01:29:52,319 --> 01:29:54,359
like kind of almost thinking to us, he's trying to

1796
01:29:54,399 --> 01:29:58,680
explain somef he's telling the editor to even uh, you know,

1797
01:29:58,960 --> 01:30:04,119
give a capital letters towards that don't get it. You know,

1798
01:30:04,159 --> 01:30:06,640
there's reasons, there's you know, he was he was doing

1799
01:30:06,640 --> 01:30:09,720
stuff on purpose. You know what I think is funny.

1800
01:30:09,960 --> 01:30:12,359
Maybe be totally honest with you. You know, the type

1801
01:30:12,399 --> 01:30:15,520
of people too that that follow him, they've you know,

1802
01:30:15,600 --> 01:30:18,199
extremely left. If they were to go in and read

1803
01:30:18,239 --> 01:30:20,279
that book and see what he says about black people

1804
01:30:20,279 --> 01:30:22,159
and gay people and his little notes, I think they'd

1805
01:30:22,159 --> 01:30:24,560
be a little surpressed. He has no problem dropping the

1806
01:30:24,680 --> 01:30:27,119
N word or calling them fags.

1807
01:30:27,640 --> 01:30:28,680
Speaker 2: What up my nagas?

1808
01:30:30,159 --> 01:30:32,079
Speaker 1: And it's kind of funny, you know. You get all

1809
01:30:32,079 --> 01:30:35,119
these uh, these these these bleeding liberals, yeah, put them up,

1810
01:30:35,840 --> 01:30:37,920
but yet they don't realize what the fuck he was

1811
01:30:37,960 --> 01:30:39,920
writing in his own handwriting and his own notes about

1812
01:30:39,920 --> 01:30:40,399
some people.

1813
01:30:40,560 --> 01:30:43,439
Speaker 2: You know, I've actually i've never actually read this particular book.

1814
01:30:43,479 --> 01:30:47,680
I've read and an excerpt of this book when he's

1815
01:30:47,720 --> 01:30:50,720
going through the athers, right, and this is when he

1816
01:30:50,800 --> 01:30:53,239
was doing it with with with Nierberg, right, I guess

1817
01:30:53,239 --> 01:30:55,520
I think he was, uh, I think he was actually

1818
01:30:55,560 --> 01:30:58,279
fucking him in the ass or Victor was fucking Crawley

1819
01:30:58,279 --> 01:31:02,720
in the ass to do these visions. Uh, the what

1820
01:31:02,760 --> 01:31:08,399
I've what I've dubbed sidamic or uh is it sidamic portals?

1821
01:31:08,520 --> 01:31:13,199
But don't don't google that because uh you'll get some stuff.

1822
01:31:13,279 --> 01:31:14,199
Speaker 1: But the.

1823
01:31:15,880 --> 01:31:18,479
Speaker 2: I've actually read this, I'm gonna check this out because

1824
01:31:18,520 --> 01:31:20,960
I've never read the actual book. I've read excerpts and

1825
01:31:21,000 --> 01:31:25,399
it was in a book about John d Because you

1826
01:31:25,399 --> 01:31:27,880
know this is you know the thirty and Okian Athers,

1827
01:31:27,920 --> 01:31:30,880
which is these different dimensions essentially that they unlocked and

1828
01:31:30,920 --> 01:31:33,800
every single one has you know, a guardian of some

1829
01:31:33,880 --> 01:31:36,600
sorts and you know they're protecting in and all this other.

1830
01:31:36,640 --> 01:31:38,760
So that was the whole thing behind the Enochian.

1831
01:31:39,439 --> 01:31:41,760
Speaker 1: So I wonder if that stuff is almost like the

1832
01:31:41,800 --> 01:31:46,279
movie inception, you know how like you can go deeper

1833
01:31:46,319 --> 01:31:47,479
into going to another.

1834
01:31:47,319 --> 01:31:50,479
Speaker 2: Dream another But think about that, bro like what if

1835
01:31:50,479 --> 01:31:52,079
you get lost? Like that was the whole thing, right,

1836
01:31:52,119 --> 01:31:54,199
They couldn't get lost in the dream because they wouldn't

1837
01:31:54,199 --> 01:31:55,800
be able to come back out like in the Matrix.

1838
01:31:55,840 --> 01:31:57,960
If you die in the Matrix, you're dead in real life.

1839
01:31:58,600 --> 01:32:00,079
And I have no respect.

1840
01:31:59,800 --> 01:32:02,760
Speaker 1: Of that I have worried about that playing with magic. Yeah,

1841
01:32:02,760 --> 01:32:04,159
I don't know. Like there's times where I said, like

1842
01:32:04,199 --> 01:32:06,159
I've even seen like windows that for me, I just

1843
01:32:06,239 --> 01:32:07,800
don't know why I get this feeling that you can

1844
01:32:07,840 --> 01:32:09,960
go into it. I don't know if that's true or not,

1845
01:32:11,000 --> 01:32:13,880
but I've I'd be afraid to. I'll just keep it real,

1846
01:32:14,239 --> 01:32:17,079
you know what. I back out there was some movie

1847
01:32:17,079 --> 01:32:19,239
I don't know if it's insidious or something or sinister,

1848
01:32:19,279 --> 01:32:21,319
and maybe that it is. It was this kid who

1849
01:32:21,399 --> 01:32:23,319
was like kind of like astral traveling and I think

1850
01:32:23,399 --> 01:32:25,840
like went into a coma and like that kid, like

1851
01:32:25,840 --> 01:32:27,359
you would see him like go through like a door

1852
01:32:27,399 --> 01:32:29,199
and would go somewhere and would get lost. And I

1853
01:32:29,239 --> 01:32:32,279
do actually like wonder is that kind of like something

1854
01:32:32,760 --> 01:32:33,760
true to an extent?

1855
01:32:34,039 --> 01:32:36,880
Speaker 2: Well, you know, it's interesting that in that book that

1856
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I mentioned earlier, the Anesthetic Revelation with Benjamin Paul Blood,

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which is you know, interesting initials, the one of the

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things he talked about was looking into mirrors and wondering

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if in the mirror was another reality. Like while he

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was like blasted off on this sort of stuff, he

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was wondering, right, it was like it's like whippets. Like

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that's what that's essentially what it is. No, I'm serious,

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but like that's part of it. Like it's like that

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people go people, they look crazy on it. It cooks

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your brain, dude, Like it cooks these people's brain. They

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start talking all slow and they just destroy their lives

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with that. Man.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: For for as, I'm very uh whenever I pick something up,

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I hyper focus on it, and I'm very compulsive, like

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when it comes to like hobbies and stuff like that.

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My wife makes fun of me because I'll pick up

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on you hyper fixation. I thank god every day that

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I never picked up drugs. Oh got hooked on drugs

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because like that's that's the kind of person that I have, Bro,

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where I'll get hooked on something and I'll just keep

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doing it. Like you know, if you get into magic,

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the gathering, you want the best deck, you want the

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best cards, you want the best everything, like you gotta

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do it. You know, you start podcasting, you want the

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best mic, the mixer, you know, like all this other stuff.

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That's the way I am. Bro. But thank god, knock

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on wood that I haven't had that happen to me.

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But I can't say the same for some people.

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 2: But Nick, you want to add anything before we get

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the fuck out of here?

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Speaker 1: Uh No, not really. I mean I had a really

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good time, like I expected.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 1: I really would love to get you back on the

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show one day too. But thank you for having me on. Man,

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I had a really good talk. And it's that, I guess, say,

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01:34:26,239 --> 01:34:27,600
a breath of fresh air. But if you're a very

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open minded person with the occult and I appreciate that.

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Thank you.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate you, and let me know whenever you want

1898
01:34:32,960 --> 01:34:34,279
me to go back on the show. Like I said,

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I'm just asking questions. Bro. I'm not here to push

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01:34:36,600 --> 01:34:38,159
any narratives, right.

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Speaker 1: We just want to figure out what the fuck is

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01:34:40,279 --> 01:34:42,479
going on, man, Like what the fuck I tell you?

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01:34:42,560 --> 01:34:44,920
Speaker 2: Like how it is? Like, Bro, I've been thinking it's

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01:34:44,960 --> 01:34:47,680
fake and it's gay, and I want to know maybe

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01:34:47,680 --> 01:34:51,640
why it's not. But like there's so much of reality.

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01:34:51,640 --> 01:34:53,319
Speaker 1: Why is it?

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01:34:53,399 --> 01:34:57,079
Speaker 2: But listen, you're like it's so interesting, right, Like it's

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01:34:57,119 --> 01:34:59,920
so interesting where I'm like, man, it can't just beat it.

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01:35:00,039 --> 01:35:02,119
That's simple. I couldn't have just figured it out like

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hey guys, hey, hey, hey, it's all fake, it's all gay.

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Ray it can't be that simple, or can it?

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Speaker 1: Right? Like I've spent so much time thinking about it.

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Speaker 2: That's to the Egyptians, that's the secret to the Druids,

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that's the secret to the Mayans, that's the secret to

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01:35:18,960 --> 01:35:23,119
the Asztext. That's the secret to all of reality this

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01:35:23,319 --> 01:35:27,199
whole fucking time. Because again, how I asked you earlier,

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how many dots are we connecting that aren't even fucking there?

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Speaker 1: You get to the end and you open up a

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box that plays like fucking Rick Ashley and you just got.

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Speaker 2: It's like.

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01:35:40,560 --> 01:35:42,960
Speaker 1: He went through all that and it's faking gay.

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01:35:43,039 --> 01:35:46,119
Speaker 2: That's all it is. It's a little note, bro, It's

1923
01:35:46,119 --> 01:35:52,039
a little note like, is that what the magical papyri said?

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01:35:52,199 --> 01:35:54,119
You know? That's what they don't want to tell us, dude,

1925
01:35:54,800 --> 01:35:57,359
That's what they don't want to tell us. That's what

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01:35:57,399 --> 01:36:01,560
That's what the tablets that Josie, that Joseph Smith had,

1927
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that's what the tablet said. And he's like, you know what,

1928
01:36:03,399 --> 01:36:04,880
I'm just gonna roll with it. But that's what he

1929
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translated that, I take this shit out of here, take

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it back with you.

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Speaker 1: I can't go back with that. I gotta come up

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with some moron.

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Speaker 2: I yeah, so listen bro, We'll do this again soon.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Let the people know where they can find you all

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more time before we get out of here.

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Speaker 1: Uh the cult rejects and that's on old major podcasts

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and bitchoot rumble and YouTube. Thank you very much.

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Speaker 2: Awesome and send me your links to so I can

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post some of the description truthfully. Make sure to follow

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01:36:30,840 --> 01:36:33,439
Sew on social media at the one on one podcast

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www dot tjojp dot com links down to the description.

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Go follow the backup YouTube channel Juan on Juan Media

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