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Want to welcome everyone back to the Peaking Yona Show

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for a year end in review. Two of my favorite people,

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Ron Doddson, how are you doing.

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Speaker 2: No, I'm doing great. Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 3: Pete Faris modd how are you.

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Speaker 4: I'm very well. Thank you so much for having me.

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Great to be with you guys again.

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Speaker 3: Awesome. All right, let's just jump into this.

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Speaker 1: I think we're all gonna have different topics we want

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to talk about. I'm gonna let Ron and go first. Ron,

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year that's important to talk about?

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Speaker 2: Well, I think I think it's tough to get you know,

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if if you don't talk about the re election of

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Trump and then how that has uh. We can set

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aside execution for a minute, but the but the UH,

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the the policy goals both domestically but even possibly more

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importantly geopolitically than he has put forward that are already

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shaping the conversation and how you know, the how, the

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the great powers or the UH or the rival powers,

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you know, the we're we're seeing a return of great

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power rivalry and and kind of chessboard uh, geopolitics. And

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I think that is absolutely driven by the reelection of Trump.

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And you know, in theory, a focus on some new

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version of a Monroe doctrine. We saw the we saw

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the strategic you know, the new strategics, the defense strategy

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come out, and uh, I thought that was very well written.

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with the re emergence or the re establishment of Donald

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I fully agree with that. I think if I

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wanted to describe it sort of the return to realism,

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as in, it's the death of two kinds of idealism,

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one domestic, one international. And on the domestic front, like

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Vivek Ramaswami's idea that anybody who sort of believes in

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meritocracy and the American dream is fun is immediately an

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American if they just spend whatever it is, five years,

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six years, ten years to get citizenship. I think that's

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completely dead. And you're seeing that, you know, there is

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no real argument against some form of ethnic identity, some

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form of ethnanationalism. And that's that kind of transcendental idealism

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that says, no, we're we're too mature to believe that

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people belong to different that's sort of dead, but so

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is the idea of a global hegemonic liberal order. That's

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really what you saw in the National Security Document, the

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New National Security Strategy, that look, there's got to be

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some kind of reconciliation with Russia. We can't take on

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Russia and China at the same time. Europe is breaking apart.

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because of the illusions around immigration. And you know that

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there was that headline from the National Geographic a few

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years ago which showed an old Syrian guy with his

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half a dozen wives and two dozen children or whatever

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conversations done here. And it's the same thing with the

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idea that the Americans can fight China and Russia and

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The Russians are necessary for Europe's energy independence and energy security. Okay,

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too bad about nord Stream, Like, you know, it would

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have been nice if that wasn't blown up. There's got

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to be thanks Mick newlan Yek. Yeah, thanks Vicky, Yeah, Yeah,

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there's got to be an reassertion of the Monroe doctrine. Well,

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you let it rocked for twenty years, or previous administrations

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pursuing the freaking Taliban and ISIS and aver that.

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the mishandling of the intelligence stuff that's actually all related

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that shifted America's focus away because that was definitely, although

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illegally uh executed, that definitely shifted the US attention away

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from the Americas. I think it was almost like a

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Sandinistas and all that, and we don't have to get

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that that scandal, which could have taken some guys and

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Speaker 4: I think it poisoned the US's ability to take the

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lead role in Latin America and particular way. Yes, yes, agree,

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I think that degree of cynicism turned interventions into Latin

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America quite toxic.

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Speaker 2: Well, and then you had the Panamanian thing, I guess

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Speaker 3: Twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 1: Un un, I mean it's absolutely incredible, It is incredible.

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Speaker 2: I mean, how old's Ollie?

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Speaker 3: Now, it's got to be let me see.

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Speaker 2: He's got to be pushing eighty right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's eighty two.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and he's getting married and he got married recently.

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Speaker 2: Non Hall, And let me tell you back in her day,

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she was, she was, she was a beautiful woman. Wow,

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all right, we've gotten uh, well, thank you. I'm glad

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you agree with me a little bit on that. I

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think there was that that that tends to go unnoticed.

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Speaker 4: I think there is more to be said there in that.

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You know, the intelligence community had all of these weird

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relationships with these drug dealers and sold drugs as an

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acceptable vice. Uh huh, and allowed they're smuggling into the

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United States, and now these groups have mutated into something

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like like we've said before, they're closer now to Hasbellah

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than they are to a drug gang than they are.

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Speaker 2: To hesbel has been training on the island just off

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the north coast of UH Venezuela. No, this is all

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in a related uh and we can hit we can

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hit Venezuela in a little bit. But but but, but

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Speaker 4: These cartels are providing services, they're providing healthcare, they're providing education,

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they're providing security, all in exchange for protection, money and

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things like that. But they're functioning as a state within

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the state. Mm hmm. And so that the original policy

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mistake wasn't you know, the Iran contra, it was tolerating drugs.

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Speaker 2: Do you think do you think that? Do you do

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you think the current the current Venezuelan operation, whatever you

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want to call it is. I think it's primarily about China,

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But do you think it's also about eroding the middle

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manager and op rational wings of the CIA's power that

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it exerts through those activities that it is traditionally had

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its fingers in.

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Speaker 4: You know, I don't know enough to say that, but

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that's an interesting hypothesis.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I've seen guys, and who knows how informed

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they are. I have a friend who uh uh who

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who suggests that's not probably the case that there's there,

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that there are operational fingers in that pie. But it's

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so many, it's it's so opaque that you know, it's

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hard to it's it's it's hard to get at.

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Speaker 4: So anyway, I I don't know enough to say, but

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the Venezuela thing is a real big problem. You're right

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that it's in part about China, but by also think

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about it as a test case for China. So if

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you can get then as well and crude to no

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longer go to China, you could conceivably do something similar

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for other Latin American minerals M and you yep. And

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you could then work on restricting the flow of trade

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between Latin America and China. And if you're in China,

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you're probably panicked about that prospect because of the extent

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of dependence on things like Brazilian soy or Chilean copper

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or what have you. Insert your favorite natural resource here.

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And so the fact that the USS sees tankers that

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are connected to the Chinese is a big problem for

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China because they don't know how to respond to that.

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They don't have the ability to project power that far

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from their shorees. Well, they also can't think that smed out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that power projection is one of the things, is

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one of the big changes that is coming very much

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into the forefront in twenty twenty five. That distance more

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than ever, well back into the you know, the fourteenth, fifteenth,

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and sixteenth centuries. Distance equals risk, yes, and so where

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the minerals. What China's doing to the especially off the

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not limited to the West coast, but primarily the west

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coast of Chile of South America with their fishing armada

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is criminal, yes, and that's going to have to be

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dealt with at some point or it'll take thirty years

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for those for those to regenerate. So I don't that's

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another big thing. But all these things are very you

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Speaker 4: I agree, I agree, And that's why the Chinese, if

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you're China, you're seeing the US trying to reconcile with

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Russia and replace you as an investor in Russia, which

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is why Larry Fink was there with Witkof and Kushner

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to negotiate. You know, with the Russians. That's a pretty

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big deal. That's American capital going to Russia. That's scary

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for the Chinese. Venezuela is a test case. But it's

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not like that the Chinese don't have options on their own.

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was wrong about was that it seems to me that

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the Chinese got the better of the Americans in the

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trade war mm hmmm, because of their ability to firstly

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develop independence when it comes to microchips, including some kind

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of ham fisted attempt at their own machine to make

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the lithography machines, and secondly in their ability to restrict

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the export of rare earth minerals and rare earth magnets. Yeah,

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that much paralyzed all of the Western economies mm hmm

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a trump card for sure.

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Speaker 3: Yes, well, let me let me, let me inst check.

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Speaker 1: This week it was announced that Russian diplomats were pulling

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out of Venezuela and the the immediate immediately you can think, okay,

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well we're getting they're getting ready to bomb Venezuela.

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Speaker 3: That's why they're leaving.

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Speaker 1: Could that point toward could that actually point toward more

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a positive and diplomatic relations between the United States and Russia.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you what the key there is. There's

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two keys to that. One I see pretty intractable, the

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other I'm interested. Well, I'm interested to hear what Farris

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says on both of them. But the two parties that

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have always been most in most vociferous objection to Russian normalization,

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or the Brits and the Israelis. Yes, and the Israelis

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tends to be less Israelian, more just generally Jewish. But

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if we normalize with if we normalize with Russia, we

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don't need Israel near as much as we have Historically.

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Israel ends up being because we needed Turkey, and we

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needed a balance to Turkey because you got to have

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the Dardenell's and the Bosporus and it's a chain.

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Speaker 1: And Russian Russian intelligence is ten times better than Israeli intelligence.

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Speaker 3: Let's let's see.

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Speaker 2: Say, I I know a fair amount about US intelligence.

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but but being opposed to Russia is what causes that

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domino of that chain of dependencies that goes all the

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way around to Egypt. So so uh. But but those

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two groups are the are are the and one is

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deeply embedded. And again I'm not much much less than

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some of my dear friends on the right. I'm much less, uh,

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you know, JQ coated and all that. Although I think

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it's a it's definitely an issue. It's just that you've

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got these ethnic animosities with the Brits and the and

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the and the Jews with with regards to Russia, and

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that that seems to be the biggest. Having Kushner be

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part of this negotiating seems to be an attempt to

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whereas that role was previously taken by Michael Antone, who's

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just you know, Catholic Clermont guy. But Kushner taking that

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role seems to be a means to hedge some of that,

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or at least stave off the reaction to that. What

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do you what do you think for US?

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Speaker 4: I agree that there is some general Jewish animist towards

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Russia that gets expressed in US foreign policy in people

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you see in Foggy Bottom just sort of getting a

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bit too obsessed with the Russia question in the cretual

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Russia and I agree that Russia would make the Middle

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least largely, you know, a lot less relevant, shall we say,

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right right, because Russia kind of brings with it Idon

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to some extent. A Russia US reconciliation can pave the

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way to an Iran US reconciliation and make a lot

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of things a lot easier, especially with the regime so

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weakened in Iran. As for the Brits, they are they

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still think that they're playing the Great Game.

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Speaker 2: Exactly, and that's just.

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Speaker 4: Mind you. They think that at a time when Russian

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Indian relations have never been better, we had put in

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visiting Modi in Deli and having a wonderful reception there

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with all kinds of agreements on military, on civilian, on agriculture,

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even on Indian labor going to Russia. So the Indian

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Russian relationship, the purpose of the Great Game that no

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longer exists. But the Brits still think that they're playing

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the Great Game against Russia and that Russia is their

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main threat, when in reality, the main problem facing Britain

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is domestic. But the entire establishment is sort of hardwired

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to think about Russia as the great threat all the time,

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and I don't see that changing under the current establishment,

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and even under a new government, you'd have to do

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some deep purging of the establishment to change their worldview,

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or at least you'd have to sort of dismantle bits

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of the Russia desk or the Russia desks that exist

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throughout and say, look, guys, this isn't a priority anymore,

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is X, Y, and Z. So there is this hardwired

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mindset that's hostile to Russia, and that's what Trump is

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going up against. And I get it from the Jewish perspective,

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because if you have the US and Russia dominating Europe,

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then you have that whole part of the world sort

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of looking at outsiders as enemies, and in their mind

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that is a prelude to white nationalism and the disasters

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that sort of befall the Jewish people and nationalism becomes

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too strong. So fair enough, it shouldn't be like that.

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People as groups shouldn't be a target. So I understand

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their way of thinking, But this is like all this stuff,

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all of the relationship between the Jewish community and pretty

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much every Western society is really getting worse. And one

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place where it really isn't that bad is in Russia.

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Like if you look at the number of say I

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think of the top fifty billionaires in Russia, I think

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maybe ten or Jewish when they're like zero point zero

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one percent of the population or zero point one percent

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of the population or something Midi school like that.

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Speaker 2: And there are some interesting mechanics that led to that,

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probably beyond the scope of our discussion.

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Speaker 4: It was the disaster of the nineteen nineties, right, that's right,

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because it was a Russia and the Ukraine. And in

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Ukraine it's a sort of similar overrepresentation. So you know,

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war is big business.

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Speaker 2: Well, and it's about hard currency. Who has access to

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hard currency in in uh you know? And it's and

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it's usually the folks who are centered around some of

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the more vicey type of industries, right. And so if

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you're in a Christian if you're in a Christian or

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Orthodox you know, uh uh environment, and you operate outside

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that vice vice industries bring in hard currency. And so

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it's this isn't you know, I'm not I'm not cracking

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some secret code here. This is throughout world history. It's

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why ports tend to be a little just traditionally a

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little more racy places. Yes, you know, you've got foreign currency,

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you got foreign people who aren't tied to your way

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of life, and all this kind of stuff.

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Speaker 4: Yep.

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Speaker 2: And uh So anyway that that that whole. And so

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if you had hard currency and you were able to

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buy up the privatization certificates, then uh you could you

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could parlay that into some magnificent wealth yep and uh

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and and Putin was the one guy could be. Being

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the administrator of Saint Petersburg of Leningrad, he knew how

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to handle that. So I mean this, this this domino

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of world events starting you know, from well you know

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that Reagan era through what we're talking about. There's reason

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for it. Yes, it's it's not just a bunch of

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random Oh isn't that weird how the dart board worked. No,

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it's it's much more like a domino. And once you

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see that and understand it, then you're the the You're

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able to have wisdom to see where are the dominoes

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in the future. And I'm saying this not for your benefit, Parahs,

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but but for the benefit of the younger guys who

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are listening to this. These are the reasons that you

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you you study this stuff, uh uh, so that you

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can just sound smart on a podcast that's Fears and Pete,

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not me, but but so that you can so that

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you can be the be the guy who's who's wise

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looking for Oh, I can see where this is going

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because I can understand the recent path in the past.

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Right anyway, I just think it's really really important. And

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the Russia thing is so important to me because they

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seem like natural allies. Maybe allies is too strong, but

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natural friends because I love Russian litercy. I mean, if

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you can if you don't see yourself at some level

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when you read Dostoyevsky and and and and some of

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the other Russian authors, the more contemporary or just they're

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just brilliant. I even am a nerd for Russian cinema.

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I just think Tartowsky and some of these other guys

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are just unbelievable. But but but and and they're and

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they tend to be deeply orthodox. Now, part of this

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is I have a Russian aunt who is I mean,

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she's kind of a hard woman, but but she loves

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my uncle and but but she's she's personally how do

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I describe this she's personally kind of skeptical, but culturally

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very orthodox, and and we as Americans kind of say, oh, well,

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that's just fake. Know what it does is it gives

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you a culture with rootedness where we're all playing, we're

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all rowing the boat the general same direction. And so

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a culture that's like that should be friends with a

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Christian United States, it should be friendly with a not

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at least nominally Christian UK. And and so I you know,

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I this is a great lament of mine, the state

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of affairs with the with Russia. I don't understand the animosity.

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I really don't.

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Speaker 4: I completely agree with you. I think the animosity isn't

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rooted in sound geopolitics or in sound national interest. I

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think a lot of it is media driven. A lot

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of it is sort of, you know, the demonization of

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the less threatening of the great powers. And it just

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isn't necessary because this isn't what the Russians themselves are after, right.

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And the bit that people refuse to understand is that

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Putin is a bit of a liberal dad is he

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really isn't that hard line, He really isn't the most

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hardcore that the Russians have to offer. And he's got

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a lot of more hardline factions that he has to

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keep in line. Now, mind you, wearing the crown does

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tend to moderate you, because it's a lot easier to

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be more extreme when you're a junior. And we saw

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that kind of thing was with Hasbela. We saw that

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kind of thing with Ira, and we saw that. We

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see the kind of thing all the time. But the

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idea that putin is this nasty imperialist monster who's a

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p you know, he's opposed, he's about to roll his

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tanks into Paris or something like planet. Are you people

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living on right? Their struggle?

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Speaker 2: Then at least great, Then then at least Paris wouldn't

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be fake and gay and gay race communists.

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Speaker 4: Well, you know there there have been worse things that

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have happened to Paris, and arguably more in the recent

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past that have passed in the distant passed.

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Speaker 1: But okay, yeah, well, you know, one thing you have

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to remember about Russia is once you start studying their

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history is being Russian and being Orthodox is basically the

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same thing historically, and that's why when that's why, when

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Bolshevism came along, they had to destroy the church, they

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had to take over, and you know, they may realize

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we can't destroy this, so we're gonna have to take

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it over. We're gonna have to have our own state

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church that runs this thing. And you know, there's a

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lot of ethnic animosity that went into the Bolshevik Bolshevik

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Revolution and the subsequent what happened subsequent, and you know

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a lot of what's happening with Russia now is still

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those same people. It's like, you know, Biden had like

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five people working and working in his administration who have

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direct ties to like that you could trace their family.

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Speaker 3: Like ten miles within Levov.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, these are these are people who

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are bred to hate Russians. And you know, when you

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when you look at someone like Putin, and I think

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it's hilarious that they use a lot of people, and

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even people on the right, but they these are people

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who are on the right who tend to be more

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pro Israel. They use this thing where it's the same

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thing that they said about Adolf Hitler that Adolf Hitler

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was an enemy to the white race because he got

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so many white people killed. It's like, well, when you

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have an existential enemy, when you have an existential threat,

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like Bolshevism, that's threatening the peninsula. Maybe thing, Maybe it's

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not as simple as that. And they say the same

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thing about Putin. Putin is responsible for the death of

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Look how many Look how many white Slavs He's killed

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and responsible for it. It's the same playbook over and

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over again. You know, I've always said about Putin is

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Putin has way more restraint than me, because if I was,

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if I was president of Russia, I would have invaded

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in twenty fourteen and I would have taken Kiev.

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Speaker 3: I would have burnt Kiev to the ground. I mean, so.

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Speaker 4: That wouldn't for Russian culture to burn to the ground.

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You know, Kiev is too important for the Russians to

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actually burn.

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Speaker 2: That's right. I know, there's a respect that they give

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to Kiev. However you say it now, I'm you know,

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I'm old h Kiev.

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Speaker 4: How we're saying I don't do that, and I don't

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do Briefly, I'm still stuck in Turkey now, and I

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think I loot to go back to Bombay. I'm not

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Mumbai and all of that stuff.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well, so Kiev, they there's this, there's this.

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I mean, if you look at the order of battle,

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how it's gone. The there there's a uh, there's this

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respect that they're clearly giving to Kiev. That uh that again,

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if if Pete Curtis le May Canonas was in charge,

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I'm kidding Pete. Uh that was a World War two joke.

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But uh anyway, the uh that that they clearly there's

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just more going on than than the average American tends

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to appreciate.

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Speaker 4: So the the other thing is that the negotiations don't

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seem to be going anywhere now, all of the proposals

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that have been made I mean the twenty eight point

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plan and now what's his name, Zelensky coming up with

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his own twenty point plan version of that. Like, they're

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not going anywhere, and it seems to me the Americans

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are stuck. They the team that is managing the negotiations

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isn't factoring in Russia's minimum requirements for this war.

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Speaker 2: And don't you have you did you see the policy

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paper that was supposed to be It was supposed to

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be published by Rand but it ended up getting I

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might have shared it with you guys, but it's been

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probably a month ago where it's all about can we

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get towards a neutral but fully armed Ukraine.

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Speaker 4: Well, it can be both of these things.

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Speaker 2: It can't, that's right. I was like, this doesn't This

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is like some middle school girl, no offense to the ladies,

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not like any of you're listening to us, But it was.

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Speaker 4: I'm open about my views that women shouldn't be involved

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in politics. That's totally fine. It was.

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Speaker 2: It was terrible, and I'm like, this doesn't. This isn't

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gonna work. You're going to have to have and a

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disarmed whatever's left of Ukraine. And personally, you know, I'd

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give Russia all to the river, let them have it,

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because that's the group that all voted to go with

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Russia anyway in ten and twelve. And then most of

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the take Osessa or east of the river, I mean

473
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and west of the river. Most of that was Poland,

474
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:51,400
Romania and Hungary anyway, right yep, back before.

475
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Speaker 4: The partition over until the Russians take Odessa. And the

476
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flip side of that is that if they don't take Odessa,

477
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they'd have lost.

478
00:34:00,279 --> 00:34:04,319
Speaker 2: The war, that's right, if they don't take If.

479
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 4: They take Odessa, they have a hand in all of

480
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the politics of Central Europe.

481
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Speaker 2: So so for those who don't who aren't in the

482
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weeds on this. What what one of the things fears

483
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:18,559
is talking about is when we uh did the Color

484
00:34:18,599 --> 00:34:26,880
Revolution in Ukraine, which the called may Dan you know. Uh.

485
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:31,440
One of the first things we did was take a

486
00:34:31,639 --> 00:34:36,960
Georgian who an Ivy League trained Georgian obviously a c

487
00:34:37,159 --> 00:34:42,440
I A you know, not an agent but but but

488
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:46,480
but under the thumb of the c I A vili Uh.

489
00:34:46,519 --> 00:34:50,119
And he became the it's not mayor, I can't remember,

490
00:34:50,119 --> 00:34:56,519
the government's not prefect. But what's the title governor? Governor? Okay?

491
00:34:56,559 --> 00:35:00,480
Is it governor? Okay? The governor of Odessa. And so

492
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:04,079
this is and it's a huge this is this is

493
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:08,199
much like for Russia. Uh, Saint Petersburg is the big

494
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:11,599
port and a lot of that. That's what Odessa functions.

495
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:15,800
Is that for Ukraine. And we put this he didn't

496
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:19,840
even speak Ukrainian, it was and so this is a

497
00:35:20,039 --> 00:35:26,000
hugely important. He did speak Russian. Uh, And so this

498
00:35:26,159 --> 00:35:29,079
is a hugely important. And he spoke English.

499
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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 2: He still does. I guess he's still alive. I said,

501
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he's still this women around.

502
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:36,920
Speaker 1: Isn't it amazing how the United States loves loves to

503
00:35:37,039 --> 00:35:38,000
back Georgians.

504
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Speaker 3: Never mind whoa.

505
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:47,519
Speaker 2: A little Stalin callback there, Yeah, Edward Schevardnadze, and it

506
00:35:47,559 --> 00:35:51,199
played a huge part in the uh in the fall

507
00:35:51,519 --> 00:35:58,320
uh another Georgian uh so uh nice nice callback, Pete.

508
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:00,960
But anyway, that's one of the reasons this is this

509
00:36:01,079 --> 00:36:05,559
is immensely important to Putin and the Russians is having

510
00:36:05,599 --> 00:36:06,920
full control of Odessa.

511
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Speaker 4: And the Russians are other process of slowly wrecking Odessa.

512
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:16,000
Like they're breaking the infrastructure. They're cutting off its plant

513
00:36:16,039 --> 00:36:19,360
connections because Adessa is separated from the front line by

514
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:24,400
three rivers, I believe, and so they're cutting off the bridges,

515
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:28,559
they're destroying the energy infrastructure, they're destroying the warehouses, they're

516
00:36:28,599 --> 00:36:33,960
destroying they're attacking shipping because they're shipping was attacked first. Yeah,

517
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,519
which in a way brings us back to the Venezuela question.

518
00:36:38,559 --> 00:36:41,679
Now we are at the stage of the weaponization of shipping.

519
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:44,920
I don't know if you guys saw this new Chinese

520
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:49,760
ship which looks like a container ship, but it's got

521
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:54,079
a bunch of radars as a radars and all kinds

522
00:36:54,079 --> 00:36:57,280
of things, and it's got a bunch of vertical launch

523
00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:04,960
tubes and it's acting as a combined missile launcher and

524
00:37:05,199 --> 00:37:08,719
arsenal ship to equip others.

525
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:13,039
Speaker 2: Completely stealth, so not radar stealth, not radar stealth, but

526
00:37:13,119 --> 00:37:16,440
commercially stuff because all this these are all pop up

527
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:21,840
features out of faux containers, exactly brilliant.

528
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:27,559
Speaker 4: Any containership now is potentially a weapon. And if you

529
00:37:27,679 --> 00:37:30,320
look at a map of shipping, like you can't track

530
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:32,760
the sheer number of container ships because there's just so

531
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:38,559
that many of them, that's right. And so if you're China,

532
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:46,639
you can build military ships quite quickly, but you can

533
00:37:46,639 --> 00:37:50,840
build container ships much faster mm hmm. And if you

534
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:55,119
automate them and treat the cruise as expendable, which China

535
00:37:55,239 --> 00:38:00,960
tends to do to soldiers, Yeah, you know, Oh, suddenly

536
00:38:01,039 --> 00:38:05,039
you have this whole new beast that you're dealing with

537
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,000
where they're just sending you container ships and using them

538
00:38:09,039 --> 00:38:10,079
to love missiles at you.

539
00:38:11,119 --> 00:38:11,599
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.

540
00:38:12,039 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 4: And because they can build these things much faster than

541
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:19,119
the like, Okay, the navy, the PLA navy is a

542
00:38:19,119 --> 00:38:21,800
bit of a prestige position and if you're in there,

543
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:24,840
you're the son of somebody important and they don't want

544
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:29,639
you to die. But if you're sending one military vessel

545
00:38:29,639 --> 00:38:31,559
and a bunch of container ships that are just there

546
00:38:31,599 --> 00:38:33,760
to love missiles at you and have a few radars,

547
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:39,400
it's a different way of fighting war and it changes

548
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:42,159
the nature of naval warfare. And the US has no

549
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:46,960
ship building capabilities like US ship building capacity is sort

550
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:51,039
of barely there, it's barely in play.

551
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 2: How far behind schedule are we on the AKUSA?

552
00:38:56,159 --> 00:38:58,039
Speaker 4: I don't know. I honestly don't know.

553
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:05,519
Speaker 2: That's the UH, that's the American United Kingdom. I probably

554
00:39:05,519 --> 00:39:09,960
did the acronym. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

555
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,719
Speaker 4: On the on the British building nuclear submarines. Did you

556
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:14,840
see that There was an article that came out recently

557
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:21,440
from somebody who was the head of He was pretty

558
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:24,320
high up in naval things in the Ministry of Defense.

559
00:39:25,639 --> 00:39:28,119
He was pretty high up in nuclear capabilities in the

560
00:39:28,119 --> 00:39:32,400
Ministry of Defense, and he was saying that Britain no

561
00:39:32,519 --> 00:39:36,760
longer has the ability to feel its nuclear submarines and

562
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:39,840
shouldn't be involved in August and should be focused instead

563
00:39:40,679 --> 00:39:44,280
on just rebuilding the basic capabilities because they've they've become

564
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:45,039
so atrophied.

565
00:39:46,559 --> 00:39:49,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I did see that. There was a because they

566
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:54,599
can't keep their their their there's two carriers, right, yeah,

567
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:56,519
I don't think, and they can't keep I think one

568
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:00,440
one was in Scotland at the big dried off for

569
00:40:00,679 --> 00:40:02,880
several years and then it went back out and now

570
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:04,360
it has had to come right back in.

571
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:06,519
Speaker 4: YEP.

572
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Speaker 2: Interestingly enough, I think the Japanese have kind of figured

573
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out the calculus on this because they they have you know, uh,

574
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they are prevented by constitution and treaty from running uh

575
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:25,880
uh from from you know, doing heavy new stuff on

576
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in weapons.

577
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Speaker 3: Right.

578
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Speaker 2: But what they've done is they've they basically built what

579
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:37,639
amounts to the tesla of submarine fleet that they can

580
00:40:37,679 --> 00:40:40,920
build quickly. And these things are dead silent. They're more

581
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silent than the new boats because when they go fully battery,

582
00:40:45,199 --> 00:40:48,239
it's only electric and something to do with them. You know,

583
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:51,039
I'm not a submarine. I know enough about submarines to

584
00:40:51,079 --> 00:40:53,320
sound like an idiot to a navy guy. But uh,

585
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:57,119
but anyway, I think I think, you know, and then

586
00:40:58,679 --> 00:41:03,239
and then the uh, the Chinese. The estimate I saw

587
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:08,400
they have between fifty and two hundred UAVs, so underwater

588
00:41:08,519 --> 00:41:12,719
autonomous vehicles in in the in the in they're near

589
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:17,880
abroad that can go ping, you know, ping circus in

590
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:22,079
the in an instant so so they have complete denied

591
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:26,679
they can deny that area. But the but the but,

592
00:41:26,679 --> 00:41:29,400
but the future is I think less. I saw that

593
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:36,320
Trump propose this Trump uh battleship deal, this massive and

594
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:39,840
God bless them. I mean, I I love the guy,

595
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:43,239
but but that's the exact opposite direction that we should

596
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:48,800
you know, smaller, more mobile, quicker, to build uh faster.

597
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:52,159
These are the things that should be should be the goals,

598
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:57,760
not you know, these these prestige standoff pieces that well

599
00:41:57,760 --> 00:41:59,920
and I mean a battleship's not a standoff weapon. I

600
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:03,679
I don't know. I'm really confused as to who who

601
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:09,320
is advising him on naval procurement and uh but did

602
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:10,000
you guys see that?

603
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:15,880
Speaker 1: Yes, let's let's uh change direction here.

604
00:42:16,039 --> 00:42:16,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, Farris.

605
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Speaker 1: Farris talked a little bit about you know, a story

606
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:24,280
you would pick and perfectly acceptable for it to be

607
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:28,760
from uh be, from Britain, from England, wherever.

608
00:42:29,159 --> 00:42:35,320
Speaker 4: Look be. It applies to England, but it applies broadly.

609
00:42:36,159 --> 00:42:38,880
And it's something that I've harped on about on your

610
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:43,239
show a bunch of times. Pete. It's the death of

611
00:42:44,679 --> 00:42:52,159
liberal delusions. I mean just two days ago or yesterday

612
00:42:52,199 --> 00:42:57,800
maybe there were protests in Birmingham, in in in in

613
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:06,039
England in support of Israel recognizing Somaliland as an independent state,

614
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:12,760
which led to and these were Somali Muslims protesting in

615
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:16,840
support of the recognition of their country by the Israelis,

616
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:21,559
and this led to counter protests by a bunch of

617
00:43:21,639 --> 00:43:27,360
Muslim activists who don't want Israel recognizing anything and view

618
00:43:27,599 --> 00:43:35,440
everything that Israel does as bad. And the obvious conclusion

619
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:39,639
is that these aren't British people. They like me, they

620
00:43:39,639 --> 00:43:45,519
have a British passport, and I'm grateful for citizenship in

621
00:43:45,559 --> 00:43:48,880
this country, but I don't think that I'm British, and

622
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:54,320
obviously these guys aren't British. And I wouldn't go protest

623
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:58,320
anywhere over something to do with Lebanon, like that's just stupid.

624
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:02,800
I've never done it. But you kind of see that

625
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:06,719
this illusion is broken down, and you can see that

626
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:11,119
people like Vivek Ramaswami are tilting against you know, they're

627
00:44:11,159 --> 00:44:16,280
attacking something that they have no chance of beating, which

628
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:20,519
is the rise of ethnanationalism. And with the rise of

629
00:44:20,519 --> 00:44:26,000
ethn nationalism, there are all kinds of secondary implications, including

630
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,360
for Jewish people who will not be seen as part

631
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:34,840
of whatever country they're in, but include the Muslim population.

632
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

633
00:44:36,119 --> 00:44:41,239
Speaker 1: Well, Bondi Beach, the shooting there, the people doing the shooting,

634
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and the people getting shot, none of them were heritage

635
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:51,920
Australians Australia. Australia imported a war from halfway around the

636
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:56,679
world into their country.

637
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:59,280
Speaker 4: Not just that the way that it played out it

638
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:05,079
triggered them a massive issue here in Britain because in

639
00:45:05,159 --> 00:45:10,480
the Nick Fuentes Pierce Morgan interview, Pierce Morgan got this

640
00:45:10,599 --> 00:45:16,440
guy called Daniel Finkelstein, who is a Conservative in the

641
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:22,320
House of Lords, to talk about his family's experience with

642
00:45:22,639 --> 00:45:28,000
Hitler and Stalin. Okay, fair enough. This guy had been

643
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:32,960
saying for months, countering everybody who was saying the opposite,

644
00:45:34,119 --> 00:45:36,320
that London is very safe and that there are no

645
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:42,880
issues because of immigration in London. After the Bondai Beach massacre,

646
00:45:44,159 --> 00:45:46,360
this guy comes out and says, I no longer feel

647
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:51,360
safe in London. Okay. So a shooting happens halfway across

648
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:57,320
the world, it targeted a RaBaD event, and Rahabad is

649
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:03,920
about as supremacist as it gets in their ideology. They

650
00:46:04,039 --> 00:46:07,800
still shot unarmed civilians. It was still a terrorist attack.

651
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It's still cowardly.

652
00:46:09,159 --> 00:46:12,320
Speaker 3: It's fucking horrible man accepting.

653
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:15,360
Speaker 4: All of that exactly. It's a crime. It should never

654
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:19,280
have happened, it shouldn't be tolerated. But the fact that

655
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:26,239
this guy changed his tune when everybody in London was saying, look,

656
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:29,440
normal people in London no longer feel safe because of migration,

657
00:46:32,199 --> 00:46:36,360
then we get the opposite signal from him. And then

658
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:40,719
to make everything worse, he goes on television and he

659
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:47,719
says to the Muslims who hate Jewish people that the

660
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:50,639
ethno nationalists are going to be coming for them as well.

661
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:57,320
So he's sort of signaling to the Muslim population that

662
00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:00,360
they should be on the same side against eth nationalism

663
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of any kind.

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Speaker 3: So now mind God. God, I'm sorry, sorry, Now mind you.

665
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Speaker 4: Any ideology that is sort of divorced from God, that

666
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:21,199
puts nationality, family raise anything above God and His justice

667
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:26,360
is by definition bad. That doesn't mean that you can't

668
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:29,199
be under God and say my people are my people,

669
00:47:29,199 --> 00:47:32,920
and I love my people more than strangers. There is

670
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this order to things.

671
00:47:35,679 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 2: To him that families. God works through families.

672
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Speaker 4: Exactly exactly, and nation that's not complicated, and a nature

673
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of the family of families that's.

674
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Speaker 5: Aristotle, yes, exactly, and so he goes against that, and

675
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:59,320
then that led to a massive backlash because there was

676
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this refusal to acknowledge that what he said was destructive.

677
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:07,360
Speaker 4: And that it goes against the interests of British people

678
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:12,719
who do deserve to awaken to their own national identity

679
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:19,800
and to place it in its proper place. And this

680
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:24,639
became a global issue in a way because of the

681
00:48:24,679 --> 00:48:29,360
fact that Pierce Morgan had used him against Fentes, and

682
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then this guy sort of shows that, look, my priorities

683
00:48:32,599 --> 00:48:37,119
are always going to be my people. In Britain, the

684
00:48:37,199 --> 00:48:43,239
Jewish minority is incredibly well integrated, and there aren't these

685
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:46,440
issues of Israel first in the same way as there

686
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:49,480
is in the United States. Like it's not to the

687
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:52,840
same extent. It is an issue in that you have

688
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:58,519
these various friends of Israel clubs within each political party,

689
00:48:58,599 --> 00:49:01,239
within the main political parties, the Conservatives and the labor

690
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:04,400
Fair enough, that plays a role up to a point,

691
00:49:05,159 --> 00:49:10,360
but it's nowhere near as visceral and vicious sometimes of

692
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:13,679
a debate as it is in the United States. This

693
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:17,239
guy goes and up ends this by taking the stupid position.

694
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:23,159
It could be because he's a silly liberal boomer. But

695
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I just don't think that that's all of it.

696
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:29,880
Speaker 1: Well, he here, let me let me frame this. So

697
00:49:30,079 --> 00:49:34,000
he he's in Britain, he is somebody who says, oh,

698
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London is perfect for me, as he is this very

699
00:49:37,039 --> 00:49:41,400
wealthy man who's who can insulate himself from from the crime,

700
00:49:41,559 --> 00:49:47,880
from the fact that London is now a majority brown city.

701
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:51,440
Something happens halfway around the world. He immediately changes his tune.

702
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:58,119
But he he doesn't demonize the people who did the

703
00:49:59,639 --> 00:50:02,000
did the crime or the people who are doing the

704
00:50:02,039 --> 00:50:07,639
crimes in in Britain. And he decided that it was

705
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:12,159
he was going to make it be all about British men,

706
00:50:12,559 --> 00:50:18,000
english Men and anyone who could embrace etho nationalism. Now,

707
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:21,719
why don't you tell everybody what is his title?

708
00:50:23,119 --> 00:50:29,079
Speaker 4: He is Lord Baron Daniel Finkelstein, who is a conservative

709
00:50:29,199 --> 00:50:34,000
peer in the House of Lords. So he's officially.

710
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:40,320
Speaker 1: Lord Daniel Finkelstein, who Lord Baron Daniel Finkelstein, who was

711
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:44,719
supposed to be who is a lord of the English people,

712
00:50:48,079 --> 00:50:49,400
hates the English people.

713
00:50:52,199 --> 00:50:55,639
Speaker 4: He is, I mean, paranoid about any kind of national

714
00:50:55,679 --> 00:51:00,880
expression that he instantly views it as he's Lord Baron

715
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:07,639
Daniel Finkelstein. How much more national can you get? And

716
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:11,679
this is I know, I know, I think accept that,

717
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:17,000
but it's he took an extreme position. He was called

718
00:51:17,039 --> 00:51:24,000
out for it, and then there was like in Britain,

719
00:51:25,039 --> 00:51:29,199
the Board of Deputies is there is something called the

720
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:34,039
broad Board of Deputies of Jewish or Board of Jewish

721
00:51:34,079 --> 00:51:37,280
Deputies or something like that, but it's the umbrella organization

722
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:44,119
of the Jewish population in England. They didn't react negatively

723
00:51:44,159 --> 00:51:48,119
to what he said, whereas the same reaction from some

724
00:51:48,199 --> 00:51:53,440
of the younger Jewish generation is look, guys, clearly, people

725
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:56,440
who want Britain to be British aren't the problem. It's

726
00:51:56,519 --> 00:52:01,000
the people who have recently become British who viscerally hate

727
00:52:01,039 --> 00:52:04,719
Jews who are the problem. And we should take a

728
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:09,920
different position. But you don't hear that from the Jewish hierarchy,

729
00:52:10,159 --> 00:52:15,840
from Jewish officialdom. And the reason I bring this up

730
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:20,440
is because it is part of this story of national

731
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:24,639
awakening and if you look anywhere in the West, this

732
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:27,039
is a point that Carl Benjamin has been making repeatedly.

733
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:35,960
The young men have been completely dispossessed, and now across

734
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:40,440
Europe they're being asked to prepare for a war against Russia.

735
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:43,960
But if you don't love your young men and give

736
00:52:44,039 --> 00:52:51,360
them something to love, they will not fight for you.

737
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:54,000
This relationship has to be reciprocal.

738
00:52:55,039 --> 00:52:59,920
Speaker 2: If they can't say this is mine because you're look,

739
00:53:00,119 --> 00:53:05,639
I'll fight for this and my my family who's down here,

740
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:11,480
and my dogs, and I'll fight for that. Why because

741
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:17,840
it's mine? And I don't mean materialist, materialistically mine this.

742
00:53:18,559 --> 00:53:23,199
You know, that's what men will fight for and what

743
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:27,079
you've done in in this, you know, to go full

744
00:53:27,079 --> 00:53:33,159
circle with how we started this. Internationalism says nothing's yours. Well,

745
00:53:33,159 --> 00:53:36,079
if nothing's mine, why would why the hell would I

746
00:53:36,119 --> 00:53:36,840
fight for it?

747
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:37,679
Speaker 4: Exactly?

748
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:42,320
Speaker 2: You know, Jesus to bring it to Christian theology, which

749
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:45,079
is the bedrock of all this, whether you you know,

750
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:51,199
we all like it, but whether you like exactly Jesus

751
00:53:51,199 --> 00:53:53,480
fought for me on the cross because I was his.

752
00:53:54,199 --> 00:53:57,519
You know, not to stand sound uber Augustinian, but we're

753
00:53:57,559 --> 00:54:00,440
all Augustinians here. Me on the Protestants side, these two

754
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:05,280
on the Catholic side, because I belong to him exactly,

755
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:08,599
you know, and that's really the basis of Jewish covenentalism.

756
00:54:08,639 --> 00:54:11,519
They've kind of left it in in in the you know,

757
00:54:11,599 --> 00:54:15,519
in modern rabbinical judaism. But but that idea that this

758
00:54:15,679 --> 00:54:18,719
is mine, these are my people, this is my stuff.

759
00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:24,159
The final commandment on the second table is do not

760
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:27,280
covet well, how can you not? How can you covet

761
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:32,480
anything unless that thing belongs to them and your stuff

762
00:54:32,519 --> 00:54:36,559
belongs to you. This idea in it and and it,

763
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:39,960
and it included my neighbor's wife. Okay, so these are

764
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:44,800
this the whole basis for all this is being broken down.

765
00:54:45,039 --> 00:54:47,519
And that's why these young men aren't willing well to

766
00:54:47,639 --> 00:54:50,880
heck with this? Why would I fight? You're saying nothing

767
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:51,440
is mine?

768
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:58,400
Speaker 4: Well then, so, okay, most you will get mercenaries give

769
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:04,159
me a check, But you won't get soldiers willing to

770
00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:10,400
engage in heroic sacrifice for the greater good. And as

771
00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:14,000
mcaveetti tells us, mercenaries are not really your best soldiers,

772
00:55:15,199 --> 00:55:19,079
and they shouldn't be what you rely on. You should

773
00:55:19,079 --> 00:55:22,280
rely on people who are doing it for love of

774
00:55:22,679 --> 00:55:23,360
what this is.

775
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:27,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, unless your name is Abraham Lincoln, then you use

776
00:55:27,639 --> 00:55:31,599
me was that out of bounds. I'm sorry, well, you.

777
00:55:31,559 --> 00:55:39,079
Speaker 6: Know you you they they expect english men, English boys

778
00:55:39,119 --> 00:55:43,639
to step up and say, oh yeah, my patriotism tells

779
00:55:43,679 --> 00:55:45,480
me I need to go fight Russia.

780
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:48,519
Speaker 1: All they need to do is go on Twitter. I

781
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:51,639
shared a video of it just on my Twitter timeline

782
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:56,119
not too long ago, of Ukrainian men who are supposed

783
00:55:56,159 --> 00:55:59,880
to believe that Russia is the enemy being kidnapped and

784
00:56:00,119 --> 00:56:01,960
taken to the front lines to be killed.

785
00:56:02,559 --> 00:56:05,519
Speaker 2: It's heartbreaking. Those videos are heart breaking.

786
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:09,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean this, and the state in Britain, how

787
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:12,639
can an kind of capacity to go around snatching people

788
00:56:12,679 --> 00:56:16,159
from the street, Like the Ukrainian state is better equipped

789
00:56:16,159 --> 00:56:20,280
to do this than the British state. They can't go

790
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:22,559
around and just sort of snatch people and sort of

791
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:27,519
force them to fight, and they won't do very much

792
00:56:27,559 --> 00:56:32,400
against much better motivated Russian soldiers who know what they're

793
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:32,880
fighting for.

794
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:36,719
Speaker 2: That's right. Do you think the average the average Russian

795
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:40,559
knows what is his I'll tell you this. The average

796
00:56:40,639 --> 00:56:46,519
Chinese soldier knows it to a lesser degree because in

797
00:56:46,559 --> 00:56:51,960
theory it's this collectivist blah blah. But they are Chinese, right,

798
00:56:52,599 --> 00:56:56,880
The average Japanese soldier knows what is his, what he

799
00:56:56,960 --> 00:57:01,320
is fighting for. It's it's Japan, it's his people, it's

800
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:05,559
his family of families. Yeah, it's his stuff. And in

801
00:57:05,599 --> 00:57:10,880
the West we are destroying that, systematically.

802
00:57:10,039 --> 00:57:16,039
Speaker 4: Destroyed, because if you can't economically form a family, if

803
00:57:16,119 --> 00:57:19,199
the relationship between men and women has been so poisoned

804
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:24,719
and so destroyed, and the economics of family formation are

805
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:30,559
so bad, and you can't afford a house, and and

806
00:57:30,679 --> 00:57:32,480
if you want to make it, you're expected to move

807
00:57:32,519 --> 00:57:35,719
to the capital and sort of abandon all of your

808
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:38,320
roots and all of your community and live as a

809
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:44,079
sort of atomized individual. And your neighbor is a foreigner

810
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:47,440
like me, who doesn't have the same connections to you,

811
00:57:48,599 --> 00:57:51,360
who doesn't feel the same affinity to your history and

812
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:57,880
to your heritage. How is this motivating? How is this

813
00:57:58,119 --> 00:58:04,159
in any way something that is worthy of you laying

814
00:58:04,199 --> 00:58:09,000
down your life for it. And you get back and

815
00:58:09,039 --> 00:58:11,199
they've been telling you that there's too many white men

816
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:15,760
and they're all in positions of power, and diversity is

817
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:18,800
the priority. And how do you measure diversity? You measured

818
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:23,000
by how thoroughly you've excluded white men, like the less

819
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:25,599
white men you have, the more successful you are because

820
00:58:25,679 --> 00:58:26,559
you are more diverse.

821
00:58:28,159 --> 00:58:30,199
Speaker 1: Well, the one thing, the one thing they don't talk

822
00:58:30,239 --> 00:58:34,239
about when when white men are being excluded is like

823
00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:38,519
my wife always talks about how her nephew, her nephews

824
00:58:38,559 --> 00:58:41,239
and nieces, how great they're doing. I mean, and they are.

825
00:58:41,679 --> 00:58:45,360
I admire these kids beyond belief. They they're not going

826
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:48,000
to college and racking up debt. They're going into the trades.

827
00:58:48,039 --> 00:58:52,559
They're doing buying houses at very young ages, starting families

828
00:58:52,559 --> 00:58:55,920
a very and it's okay, so they can do that,

829
00:58:57,760 --> 00:58:59,159
but they're not going to have power.

830
00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:04,519
Speaker 4: And where's Ramaswami into battle? I mean, who the hell

831
00:59:04,559 --> 00:59:08,360
would follow you Lamaswami into battle? Or where they followed

832
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:11,960
Britain Kemi Benino into power, the leader of the opposition,

833
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:16,840
Let alone here starmer, Who will these men actually follow

834
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:22,119
into battle? And the answer there is obvious because there

835
00:59:22,119 --> 00:59:26,079
aren't any leaders in the West right now, in Europe,

836
00:59:26,159 --> 00:59:29,239
in Britain, in America. You know, Trump is an exception.

837
00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:34,639
In Australia, there earned that many leaders whom young men

838
00:59:34,679 --> 00:59:37,119
will look up to you and say, I will follow

839
00:59:37,159 --> 00:59:42,480
this guy. I will lay down my life with this guy.

840
00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:47,519
This guy loves me, he sees me as his he's

841
00:59:47,639 --> 00:59:50,320
ordering me to go and do something. It requires heroism

842
00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:55,039
and sacrifice. I will do it right. Putin struggles to

843
00:59:55,039 --> 00:59:57,360
do this for the Russians because he's a bit of

844
00:59:57,400 --> 01:00:01,760
a liberal dad. And so they mobilized once, but they

845
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:05,039
are really very careful about mobilizing again. And if you

846
01:00:05,039 --> 01:00:08,320
look at the front line, it's very thinly manned all across.

847
01:00:10,039 --> 01:00:11,960
And this could become a problem for the Russians if

848
01:00:11,960 --> 01:00:16,119
the Ukrainians play their hand right. The Ukrainians have been

849
01:00:16,159 --> 01:00:20,320
convinced that they're fighting for something fair enough, and a

850
01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:23,599
lot of them are deserting, maybe a third have deserted,

851
01:00:24,079 --> 01:00:26,840
but a lot of them are still fighting quite bravely,

852
01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:29,920
and they're going on these assaults when they're when they're

853
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:32,599
ordered to go on assaults, and and and they're still

854
01:00:32,639 --> 01:00:36,880
in the in the battlefield. But if Keir Starmer said, guys,

855
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:40,519
we need to you know, we need to mobilize half

856
01:00:40,519 --> 01:00:43,400
a million men and they need to go and be

857
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:48,039
willing to die on the Ukrainian planes, what piss off?

858
01:00:49,199 --> 01:00:54,039
No way, no one. No one's going to listen to him,

859
01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:59,840
mm hmm. And in the Republican Party, if you're at

860
01:00:59,880 --> 01:01:04,519
a is you know somebody like Mitch McConnell or Ted Cruz.

861
01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:09,599
I'm in Congress to fight for Israel. Okay, good luck,

862
01:01:09,679 --> 01:01:17,320
But why or I vive Lamaswami? Which American boy is

863
01:01:17,360 --> 01:01:21,599
going to sort of charge for vivek It doesn't make

864
01:01:21,599 --> 01:01:26,000
any sense, right, So there is this reassertion of natural

865
01:01:26,079 --> 01:01:29,880
identity and the idea that this country belongs to its people,

866
01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:32,920
and particularly to its young men, and that a debt

867
01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:37,239
is owed to them because the future has to be

868
01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:39,760
built on their backs, because the future is always built

869
01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:44,199
on their backs. The future of India is built on

870
01:01:44,239 --> 01:01:47,159
the backs of people like the Klamaswami, but not the

871
01:01:47,159 --> 01:01:53,760
future of America. And so this issue is going to

872
01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:58,280
become more and more important. And here I was looking

873
01:01:58,280 --> 01:02:02,920
at the latest polling. Reformed, the main opposition party which

874
01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:05,880
is expected to win the next election, went up to

875
01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:08,800
the mid thirty percents. And we have a first past

876
01:02:08,840 --> 01:02:10,920
the post system, so mid thirty percent is pretty good.

877
01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:13,679
And now it's back down to twenty five percent.

878
01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:17,639
Speaker 2: Why what's driving that?

879
01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:21,000
Speaker 4: We because Nigel Firewars wants to be a sort of

880
01:02:21,159 --> 01:02:26,239
milk toast liberal. He doesn't want to address this question,

881
01:02:27,519 --> 01:02:31,599
which is who is Britain for, Who is England for?

882
01:02:31,719 --> 01:02:36,360
Who is Scotland for? Who is Wales for? And the

883
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:40,480
answer is obvious the people like these countries are named

884
01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:48,480
after people's and there's no recognition of that. You go

885
01:02:48,559 --> 01:02:52,320
to any German city and it's sort of like I

886
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:58,360
know Syrians who went to Germany as refugees fake refugees,

887
01:02:58,360 --> 01:03:03,159
mind you, at the time, and then decided to leave

888
01:03:03,239 --> 01:03:10,320
Germany because there are too many Serians. Imagine that. Mm hmmm,

889
01:03:12,639 --> 01:03:19,559
imagine that. So this and and the National Security Strategy

890
01:03:19,920 --> 01:03:26,760
pointed that out. But across the West, the older generation,

891
01:03:26,920 --> 01:03:32,679
including Trump, is still struggling with that idea. Vance maybe

892
01:03:32,840 --> 01:03:40,280
gets it, Maybe maybe we'll see I mean in in

893
01:03:40,280 --> 01:03:44,920
in in the in the America Fest or Amfest or

894
01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:48,800
whatever it was. He didn't exactly denounce Fuentis. He was

895
01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:58,639
quite careful about that. But there is this problem, which

896
01:03:58,679 --> 01:04:02,719
is that he hasn't properly orticulated who is America for.

897
01:04:04,360 --> 01:04:07,039
And the first politician to properly articulate it and to

898
01:04:07,079 --> 01:04:11,880
offer men a manly option is going to win enormously.

899
01:04:13,159 --> 01:04:16,280
The irony is that the opposition in France is led

900
01:04:16,320 --> 01:04:20,840
by a woman, and in Germany it's led by a

901
01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:24,800
lesbian woman who has partnered with the Sri Lankan woman.

902
01:04:27,159 --> 01:04:29,119
These are not people who are going to lead men

903
01:04:29,159 --> 01:04:33,360
into battles. Guys like, you know, love Madie in Lapen

904
01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:37,719
or hate Medion Lapenz. She's no Joan of Arc. She

905
01:04:37,760 --> 01:04:42,000
can't do that. She can't pull that off. So there

906
01:04:42,039 --> 01:04:45,920
is this real crisis of identity and it's going to

907
01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:50,199
keep on playing out until the obvious is said. And

908
01:04:50,239 --> 01:04:56,119
the longer this is delayed, the more severe the backlash.

909
01:04:59,360 --> 01:05:04,679
Speaker 2: Pas, speaking of the pen why didn't Zimura get more traction?

910
01:05:05,519 --> 01:05:06,880
I thought that guy was pretty good.

911
01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:14,079
Speaker 4: He got some traction, but in order the right you got,

912
01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:19,480
you got these egos that are clashing because you haven't

913
01:05:19,480 --> 01:05:22,159
seen a Franco emerge.

914
01:05:22,360 --> 01:05:24,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, and even he's Algerian and Jewish.

915
01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:25,679
Speaker 3: He's Algerian and.

916
01:05:25,719 --> 01:05:29,280
Speaker 4: Jewish exactly, And you haven't seen a Franco emerge because

917
01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:30,639
things haven't gotten that bad.

918
01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:35,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, fair enough, but they are.

919
01:05:35,440 --> 01:05:37,920
Speaker 4: Heading in that direction. Twenty twenty six could easily be

920
01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:40,599
the year in which we see a major financial crisis

921
01:05:42,599 --> 01:05:46,480
that starts in some European country. Could be France, could

922
01:05:46,480 --> 01:05:50,519
be Britain could be Spain. But then that has a

923
01:05:50,559 --> 01:05:53,960
cascading effect and pulls a lot of other dominoes down

924
01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:58,920
with it. Then things are going to get properly nasty

925
01:06:00,239 --> 01:06:04,159
because when you have to do things around cutting your debt,

926
01:06:04,199 --> 01:06:07,360
you're going to have to cut welfare. And if you

927
01:06:07,440 --> 01:06:10,039
start by cutting welfare to the natives while you're still

928
01:06:10,079 --> 01:06:13,400
having foreigners on benefits, like, that's going to be a

929
01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:16,440
disaster pretty quickly. Politically, it's going to be politically suicidal.

930
01:06:18,320 --> 01:06:20,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's go to the streets kind of stuff.

931
01:06:20,400 --> 01:06:25,519
Speaker 4: Yeah, and so we're heading to Like what happened in

932
01:06:25,559 --> 01:06:30,760
twenty twenty five was that this conversation happened, and Tucker

933
01:06:30,800 --> 01:06:36,679
Galson triggered it in a way made it mainstream. Tucker

934
01:06:36,719 --> 01:06:42,280
Gallson definitely made it mainstream by hosting Fuentis. Pierce Morgan

935
01:06:42,360 --> 01:06:49,639
went and pretty much committed sapuku on behalf of liberalism.

936
01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:50,639
Speaker 2: He kind of did.

937
01:06:51,320 --> 01:06:54,000
Speaker 4: It was the most moronic thing I've ever seen in

938
01:06:54,000 --> 01:06:56,800
my life, and the fact that he didn't know that

939
01:06:56,840 --> 01:06:59,119
he was being a moron made it funnier.

940
01:07:00,719 --> 01:07:01,000
Speaker 3: Can I.

941
01:07:04,920 --> 01:07:09,599
Speaker 1: Do you think that the whole Finkelstein debacle has I mean,

942
01:07:09,639 --> 01:07:12,760
we've had it over here. What they've called the noticing

943
01:07:12,960 --> 01:07:17,400
since October seventh, where people are talking more about Jewish

944
01:07:17,480 --> 01:07:20,760
influence and Jewish power. Do you think by him bringing

945
01:07:20,760 --> 01:07:26,559
Finkelstein on there and the subsequent just Finkelstein's meltdown in public,

946
01:07:26,960 --> 01:07:30,840
that that has the potential to cause that to happen

947
01:07:30,840 --> 01:07:31,440
there as well.

948
01:07:34,039 --> 01:07:36,800
Speaker 4: It's less fertile soil for it.

949
01:07:37,360 --> 01:07:40,000
Speaker 1: Well, because you have such a problem with Islam. I

950
01:07:40,039 --> 01:07:43,800
mean that, yeah, that that that's always been the problem.

951
01:07:44,079 --> 01:07:48,159
Speaker 4: Soil for it. It is happening up to a point

952
01:07:49,480 --> 01:07:57,000
because like you had other activists saying that oh I

953
01:07:57,159 --> 01:08:02,880
was very liberal on immigration up until Muslims started protesting

954
01:08:02,920 --> 01:08:08,119
against Israel after seven October. Well, you didn't see the

955
01:08:08,199 --> 01:08:14,039
rape gangs, you didn't see the Nogo zones. You didn't

956
01:08:14,039 --> 01:08:18,560
see the transformation of Like the cockneys are extinct in London.

957
01:08:19,720 --> 01:08:23,239
They don't exist anymore. They've all been displaced.

958
01:08:23,880 --> 01:08:25,600
Speaker 3: That's what you go to London for. That's what people

959
01:08:25,760 --> 01:08:26,560
used to go to London for.

960
01:08:27,000 --> 01:08:29,800
Speaker 4: That's why you associated with London. Right, that's why you

961
01:08:29,800 --> 01:08:31,600
associated London. They're extinct.

962
01:08:31,640 --> 01:08:35,600
Speaker 2: Give me gimme Michael Caine exactly.

963
01:08:37,039 --> 01:08:41,399
Speaker 4: And so the fact that this is happening now you're

964
01:08:41,439 --> 01:08:48,439
seeing this national awakening. You're seeing various really incompetent people

965
01:08:48,840 --> 01:08:52,239
trying to push back against it. They all seem like

966
01:08:52,279 --> 01:08:56,000
complete frauds. They all seem like complete frauds pushing back

967
01:08:56,039 --> 01:08:59,800
against it. And the momentum is clearly on the right,

968
01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:03,079
and the state across the West is at its wits

969
01:09:03,239 --> 01:09:06,479
end because it doesn't know what to do with it.

970
01:09:06,479 --> 01:09:08,560
It doesn't know what to do with this energy and

971
01:09:08,600 --> 01:09:10,760
how to channel it, and how to channel it in

972
01:09:10,760 --> 01:09:14,800
a way that isn't nihilistic and destructive, because this kind

973
01:09:14,840 --> 01:09:18,880
of energy can turn holistic and it can turn destructive.

974
01:09:19,680 --> 01:09:22,600
And I understand why Jewish people are afraid of it,

975
01:09:24,039 --> 01:09:26,439
but they just need to accept that just as they

976
01:09:26,479 --> 01:09:32,039
express their natural identity, others will too. And that's not

977
01:09:32,159 --> 01:09:36,920
happening at the Jewish establishment level anywhere in the West.

978
01:09:38,399 --> 01:09:42,279
And there are establishments there, you know, there are real

979
01:09:42,399 --> 01:09:45,640
establishments there that are quite active and quite vocal, and

980
01:09:45,760 --> 01:09:48,960
that are listened to different degrees in different countries, but

981
01:09:49,000 --> 01:09:54,640
they exist. And so I don't know how this plays out,

982
01:09:55,640 --> 01:10:01,800
but it's not like it's killing the liberal consensus. The

983
01:10:01,840 --> 01:10:05,560
liberal consensus as well is very much dead and buried

984
01:10:06,680 --> 01:10:10,199
The issue is that a lot of people express themselves

985
01:10:10,239 --> 01:10:15,039
as being postliberal. Fine, what does that actually mean in

986
01:10:15,079 --> 01:10:21,319
practical terms? What are the animating principles? Are we going

987
01:10:21,359 --> 01:10:25,079
to keep democracy? You know this about me, I'm not

988
01:10:25,119 --> 01:10:29,079
a big fan of democracy. I'd much rather have a

989
01:10:29,199 --> 01:10:34,720
genuinely proper monarchic system. I think it's actually more representative

990
01:10:34,720 --> 01:10:37,920
of the people than the alternative. I think you can

991
01:10:37,960 --> 01:10:41,359
get better representation under a monarchy than you do under democracy.

992
01:10:42,119 --> 01:10:45,199
Under democracy is just a figy for oligarchy. That's all

993
01:10:45,279 --> 01:10:48,199
that it is. And then the procedure is used to

994
01:10:48,239 --> 01:10:50,800
further the interest of the oligarchy, and that's all that happens.

995
01:10:52,920 --> 01:10:58,159
But what does postliberalism actually mean? And how will this

996
01:10:58,279 --> 01:11:03,960
system that currently exists eggs of the stage. Will it

997
01:11:04,000 --> 01:11:09,079
wait until it's destroyed everything and then from the ashes

998
01:11:09,119 --> 01:11:13,600
and the ruins something emerges. Will there be a compromise?

999
01:11:16,319 --> 01:11:19,279
What kind of compromise? What are the principles animating it?

1000
01:11:21,920 --> 01:11:24,119
What is it that can be compromised on? What is

1001
01:11:24,159 --> 01:11:28,159
it that cannot be compromised on? And my very strong

1002
01:11:28,239 --> 01:11:30,920
sense is that national identity is the one thing that

1003
01:11:31,079 --> 01:11:35,520
can't be compromised on. Mm hmm, Like no, and that

1004
01:11:35,840 --> 01:11:39,199
and that's not that's not open to negotiation.

1005
01:11:41,199 --> 01:11:45,199
Speaker 2: And that national that national, that re emergence of national

1006
01:11:45,239 --> 01:11:50,000
identity is a separate idea, is a set is a

1007
01:11:50,159 --> 01:11:57,720
related but separate idea from political nationalism. Right because nationalism, well,

1008
01:11:57,760 --> 01:12:00,680
at least at least in the last one hundred and

1009
01:12:00,760 --> 01:12:05,239
fifty years or so, has often been kind of escatological.

1010
01:12:05,680 --> 01:12:09,840
In other words, we have a unique our little group

1011
01:12:09,880 --> 01:12:14,039
of people has a unique role in bringing about the

1012
01:12:14,239 --> 01:12:19,760
eschatological blessing of the world kind of thing as opposed

1013
01:12:19,760 --> 01:12:23,479
to national identity, as hey, we're our own people. The

1014
01:12:23,560 --> 01:12:27,560
state exists for the protection and blessing of our our people,

1015
01:12:27,680 --> 01:12:31,039
our citizens, and we can kind of get along with everything.

1016
01:12:31,319 --> 01:12:36,159
So so I think it's important for because I think

1017
01:12:36,399 --> 01:12:41,119
I think those two ideas sometimes get wrongly conflated. Nationalism

1018
01:12:41,600 --> 01:12:47,359
works great often as a cleanser, as a as cancer medicine,

1019
01:12:47,840 --> 01:12:50,560
as a fact, you know, as a fast but it

1020
01:12:50,880 --> 01:12:54,199
but if it gets escatological, it can get weird.

1021
01:12:55,439 --> 01:13:00,000
Speaker 4: I agree with that. I agree without one hundred percent,

1022
01:13:02,359 --> 01:13:08,399
the like the issue of I'll put it to you

1023
01:13:08,439 --> 01:13:11,720
this way, when I see an Indian guy or a

1024
01:13:11,720 --> 01:13:16,600
Pakistani guy, m h and I ask him where are

1025
01:13:16,640 --> 01:13:25,800
you from? And he says Germany. Because I'm Lebanese, I

1026
01:13:25,840 --> 01:13:28,279
can get straight to the point and say, no, really,

1027
01:13:28,840 --> 01:13:35,600
where are you from? And between us as immigrants there

1028
01:13:35,680 --> 01:13:39,399
is a lot less room for bs. He's not gonna

1029
01:13:39,399 --> 01:13:41,920
call me racist because he knows that it's It has

1030
01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:47,239
no value as far as our communities are concerned, and

1031
01:13:47,399 --> 01:13:48,560
we can cut to the chase.

1032
01:13:49,600 --> 01:13:50,039
Speaker 7: Mm hmm.

1033
01:13:52,600 --> 01:13:55,920
Speaker 4: So as far as the entire rest of the world

1034
01:13:56,039 --> 01:14:00,520
is concerned. When you see a Chinese guy in France,

1035
01:14:01,520 --> 01:14:06,520
it doesn't matter how perfect his Perisian accent is and

1036
01:14:06,640 --> 01:14:09,800
how well he rolls his e's and pronounces his 'se.

1037
01:14:10,199 --> 01:14:15,359
It really doesn't matter because he's Chinese, right. The Indian

1038
01:14:15,359 --> 01:14:17,680
guy sees him as Chinese. The Arab guy sees him

1039
01:14:17,680 --> 01:14:19,960
as Chinese. He sees the Indians as Indians, and the

1040
01:14:19,960 --> 01:14:22,359
Arabs Arabs. And that's that.

1041
01:14:24,199 --> 01:14:24,640
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.

1042
01:14:25,479 --> 01:14:30,279
Speaker 4: Westerners, Europeans, white people, whatever you want to call them.

1043
01:14:30,920 --> 01:14:34,720
They've been forced to live in this myth and they've

1044
01:14:34,720 --> 01:14:38,520
been forced to swallow this lie that they see this

1045
01:14:38,640 --> 01:14:44,520
guy and he's obviously, you know, from Nigeria and not Ethiopia,

1046
01:14:45,479 --> 01:14:50,800
you know, but he's telling you that no, no, no, no, no,

1047
01:14:51,439 --> 01:14:59,039
I'm Italian or French or whatever. When the backlash happens,

1048
01:15:01,319 --> 01:15:05,239
because of the magnitude of the lies, their reaction is

1049
01:15:05,239 --> 01:15:12,159
going to be more severe. M M. If you're wise

1050
01:15:12,239 --> 01:15:18,479
to this, you would simply admit it and treat it

1051
01:15:18,520 --> 01:15:20,840
as a truth and say, Okay, we've ended up with

1052
01:15:20,880 --> 01:15:26,479
a bunch of Ethiopians and Nigerians and Lebanese and Chinese

1053
01:15:26,520 --> 01:15:31,399
and Indians who all carry pieces of paper that say

1054
01:15:31,439 --> 01:15:35,239
that there's something which they are not. How are we

1055
01:15:35,399 --> 01:15:42,359
going to nicely take away these pieces of paper without

1056
01:15:43,039 --> 01:15:51,239
undue bloodshed. That's the same moderate position. The other position

1057
01:15:52,199 --> 01:15:55,479
is that you keep on forcing the lie down people's

1058
01:15:55,479 --> 01:16:00,000
throats until the very last second when there has been

1059
01:16:00,079 --> 01:16:04,000
in some kind of massive debt crisis or military defeat

1060
01:16:04,319 --> 01:16:08,239
or this, that or the other, and then people take

1061
01:16:08,279 --> 01:16:13,439
the issue into their own hands. And with mob rule,

1062
01:16:13,520 --> 01:16:18,479
these things never go well because in a mob, when

1063
01:16:18,520 --> 01:16:21,880
the child says the emperor has no clothes, everybody ces

1064
01:16:21,880 --> 01:16:26,960
onto this. The issue is that we've had people saying

1065
01:16:27,279 --> 01:16:29,880
that the emperor has no clothes for a pretty long time.

1066
01:16:31,800 --> 01:16:35,880
Jarrett Taylor's career attests to this. Steve Saylor's career attests

1067
01:16:35,920 --> 01:16:41,159
to this. Now we have Niquentes who's pretty much saying

1068
01:16:41,159 --> 01:16:44,960
the same exact thing, and there's nothing wrong with it.

1069
01:16:46,119 --> 01:16:49,000
There's nothing wrong with saying that. You know, imagine if

1070
01:16:49,039 --> 01:16:53,800
America had been settled by people from the subcontinent or

1071
01:16:53,800 --> 01:16:58,680
people from China, what will be recognizable about it today? Well,

1072
01:16:58,680 --> 01:17:04,720
absolutely nothing, right, Like, they wouldn't have gotten baseball out

1073
01:17:04,720 --> 01:17:06,600
of cricket. They would have gone in some other thing

1074
01:17:08,680 --> 01:17:15,079
from some Indian sport. They wouldn't have gotten American football

1075
01:17:15,119 --> 01:17:17,039
out of rugby, they would have gotten some other thing,

1076
01:17:17,960 --> 01:17:20,640
et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. None of it would

1077
01:17:20,680 --> 01:17:26,439
be recognizable. They wouldn't have a Thanksgiving because their relationship

1078
01:17:26,520 --> 01:17:31,560
with their God would be different, and they certainly wouldn't

1079
01:17:31,600 --> 01:17:37,960
be celebrating Christmas. None of it would be recognizable. So

1080
01:17:38,039 --> 01:17:40,279
what these guys are saying is pretty consistent, and it's

1081
01:17:40,279 --> 01:17:44,840
pretty true. That's the most important part about it, that

1082
01:17:44,920 --> 01:17:50,520
it's true. But you've been forcing people to swallow alive

1083
01:17:50,600 --> 01:17:55,640
for so long, and at some point they're going to

1084
01:17:55,720 --> 01:18:00,600
get angry about this, and if you're now wise, you

1085
01:18:00,640 --> 01:18:08,520
will correct this before they get angry. But there's absolutely like,

1086
01:18:08,560 --> 01:18:12,920
we go back to the leadership question. Who's going to

1087
01:18:13,039 --> 01:18:17,520
lead them to accept the truth in a moderate way

1088
01:18:18,159 --> 01:18:24,920
without a visceral reaction. Do you see any candidates? We

1089
01:18:25,000 --> 01:18:31,399
have Rupert Lowe here in Britain, who's one MP. Exceptional man,

1090
01:18:31,880 --> 01:18:38,079
very talented, very capable, very straightforward, very manly man, but

1091
01:18:38,199 --> 01:18:45,399
he doesn't have a platform of significant size. His constituency

1092
01:18:45,479 --> 01:18:47,960
love him. But that's pretty much it. It's one constituency

1093
01:18:47,960 --> 01:18:52,319
out of six fifty. You look around Europe, you get

1094
01:18:52,399 --> 01:18:58,600
Lapen Zamour, the AfD. Maloney, come on, what a disappointment, Maloney.

1095
01:19:01,960 --> 01:19:10,000
So there isn't this outlet, and there isn't anybody who's

1096
01:19:10,039 --> 01:19:12,479
able to communicate with people and say, look, the liberal

1097
01:19:12,600 --> 01:19:16,520
establishment and the liberal ideology is dead, and we're going

1098
01:19:16,560 --> 01:19:20,000
to get out of it in a mature and peaceful way.

1099
01:19:21,079 --> 01:19:23,119
We're going to escape the sly and we're going to

1100
01:19:23,159 --> 01:19:26,600
do it in a in a Christian and honest and

1101
01:19:26,680 --> 01:19:32,760
good way and things will be better afterwards. Without that alternative,

1102
01:19:33,600 --> 01:19:36,960
it's got to be burnt to the ground. The whole

1103
01:19:37,000 --> 01:19:40,399
thing is to burn to the ground. But that's not

1104
01:19:40,479 --> 01:19:41,039
a good thing.

1105
01:19:42,239 --> 01:19:42,760
Speaker 3: Mm hmmm.

1106
01:19:44,159 --> 01:19:48,079
Speaker 4: Fire is sometimes a necessary corrective but it's not a

1107
01:19:48,119 --> 01:19:55,520
good in and of itself, that's right. So this is

1108
01:19:55,520 --> 01:19:58,279
where we are, and then we go back to the

1109
01:19:58,359 --> 01:20:02,399
questions of China and venezuel and Russia and Iran. You're

1110
01:20:02,479 --> 01:20:06,039
challenging Russian shipping everywhere, and now they're hitting your shipping back,

1111
01:20:06,279 --> 01:20:08,039
or at least they're hitting Turkish shipping in the Black

1112
01:20:08,079 --> 01:20:12,800
Sea that's going into Ukraine. And that's a double message

1113
01:20:12,920 --> 01:20:15,079
to the Turks, be careful. We can mess with you

1114
01:20:15,119 --> 01:20:17,880
if you if you don't play your hand properly. To

1115
01:20:18,000 --> 01:20:20,159
the Europeans, we don't have to limit this to the

1116
01:20:20,199 --> 01:20:23,479
Black Sea. We can hit you elsewhere, just as you're

1117
01:20:23,520 --> 01:20:28,960
hitting us elsewhere. You have Israel now taking a chunk

1118
01:20:29,079 --> 01:20:33,479
of Somalia and with the plan of building bases there

1119
01:20:33,520 --> 01:20:36,600
obviously to fight that the obviously in Yamen.

1120
01:20:37,920 --> 01:20:44,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, explain real quick, explain that whole thing for folks

1121
01:20:44,279 --> 01:20:47,920
who might not be familiar of the relationship with Somalia,

1122
01:20:48,199 --> 01:20:52,279
Somali land and what Israel is trying to do. You know,

1123
01:20:53,880 --> 01:20:57,479
net Yahoo had that big you know, announce.

1124
01:20:58,439 --> 01:21:01,359
Speaker 4: First piece of land on the Horn of Africa. As

1125
01:21:01,399 --> 01:21:05,600
you all know, it hasn't had a function in government

1126
01:21:05,600 --> 01:21:12,079
since nineteen eighty nine, and it relies on remittances and

1127
01:21:12,199 --> 01:21:18,680
fraud committed by Somali's to function, including the fraud that

1128
01:21:18,760 --> 01:21:22,960
is being exposed in Minnesota. There is seventy two percent

1129
01:21:23,079 --> 01:21:26,199
of people of Somali descent in Britain are living in

1130
01:21:26,239 --> 01:21:29,880
social housing like they don't provide for themselves.

1131
01:21:30,920 --> 01:21:34,760
Speaker 1: M h isn't thirty three, isn't thirty three percent of

1132
01:21:34,760 --> 01:21:35,960
their GDP right now.

1133
01:21:36,000 --> 01:21:39,840
Speaker 4: Remittances something between twenty five and forty five percent of

1134
01:21:39,840 --> 01:21:41,319
GDP depending on who you believe.

1135
01:21:42,199 --> 01:21:42,840
Speaker 3: Unbelievable.

1136
01:21:44,239 --> 01:21:48,119
Speaker 4: So and the rest of it is smuggling and crime

1137
01:21:48,159 --> 01:21:52,479
and all kinds of things. This is the most one

1138
01:21:52,479 --> 01:21:54,880
of the most broken places in the world. There is

1139
01:21:54,920 --> 01:21:59,479
a small strip of territory in Somalia that is right

1140
01:21:59,680 --> 01:22:03,640
at right on the Arabian Sea, so on the other

1141
01:22:03,720 --> 01:22:06,880
side of the Horn, facing the Red Sea and facing

1142
01:22:07,000 --> 01:22:16,119
Yemen that is somewhat functional, and that's called Somaliland. These

1143
01:22:16,199 --> 01:22:19,680
Raelis have been trying to get some kind of ability

1144
01:22:19,720 --> 01:22:24,039
to base stuff in the Red Sea for a long

1145
01:22:24,079 --> 01:22:29,479
time because they are very vulnerable to their shipping from

1146
01:22:29,520 --> 01:22:35,399
Asia being cut off. One of the reasons that Sudan

1147
01:22:35,600 --> 01:22:39,600
was targeted was because Iran was using Sudan as a

1148
01:22:39,640 --> 01:22:46,199
conduit to get weapons into Gaza. They've had cooperation with

1149
01:22:46,319 --> 01:22:50,640
countries like I think Ethiopia for a pretty long time

1150
01:22:51,039 --> 01:22:55,760
to have some basis there, but Ethiopia is landlocked. And

1151
01:22:55,880 --> 01:22:58,359
their partner in this has been the United Arab Emirates

1152
01:22:58,359 --> 01:23:03,560
the UAE, because they view themselves as pursuing a similar strategy,

1153
01:23:04,520 --> 01:23:08,840
which is containing the bigger powers, and they think that

1154
01:23:08,880 --> 01:23:14,079
by working together they can contain powers like Iran, Saudi Turkey,

1155
01:23:14,479 --> 01:23:17,920
who would otherwise dominate the region if these two small

1156
01:23:18,000 --> 01:23:24,159
players weren't there. And now the Israelis have recognized this

1157
01:23:24,279 --> 01:23:28,960
piece of territory and the reason that they want to

1158
01:23:29,000 --> 01:23:31,560
do this is so that they can have some basing

1159
01:23:31,640 --> 01:23:35,680
rights right across from Yemen, so that they could more

1160
01:23:35,720 --> 01:23:40,680
effectively attack the Hathi. But the Americans have all of

1161
01:23:40,720 --> 01:23:44,560
Saudi Arabia as a base essentially.

1162
01:23:44,159 --> 01:23:47,960
Speaker 2: And don't forget Djibouti. We've got our little drone base.

1163
01:23:48,079 --> 01:23:53,960
Speaker 4: And Djibouti and the UAE and Katar, and that's not

1164
01:23:54,079 --> 01:23:58,000
been enough to contain the Hathi. The issue for the

1165
01:23:58,039 --> 01:24:01,840
Israelis is that the Turks the Egyptians have been competing

1166
01:24:01,920 --> 01:24:07,640
over who gets to control Somalia. But the Turks have

1167
01:24:07,680 --> 01:24:09,640
been doing a good job. The Egyptians are sort of

1168
01:24:09,720 --> 01:24:11,960
terrible at it, like the current rulers of Egypt are

1169
01:24:12,000 --> 01:24:17,079
the worst in a very long time in Egypt's history.

1170
01:24:19,359 --> 01:24:23,479
And now the Turks are going to panic because they

1171
01:24:23,520 --> 01:24:26,199
don't want Israel to have influence over the Red Sea either,

1172
01:24:27,520 --> 01:24:32,600
and the Iranians are going to panic because they don't

1173
01:24:32,600 --> 01:24:35,199
want the Israelis to be able to attack their allies

1174
01:24:35,199 --> 01:24:42,159
in Yemen. And so the Israelis have once again pushed

1175
01:24:42,159 --> 01:24:52,039
together Turkey, Egypt, and Iran to counter them in Somalia.

1176
01:24:52,600 --> 01:24:57,239
And already Saudi and Iran are working together in Sudan

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01:24:57,359 --> 01:25:01,840
to contain the UAE against the rapid support forces against

1178
01:25:01,840 --> 01:25:06,079
this sort of genocidal lunatics who are being backed by

1179
01:25:06,079 --> 01:25:11,520
the UAE and possibly Israel. And what keeps on happening

1180
01:25:11,600 --> 01:25:14,560
is that the bigger players are getting together and saying

1181
01:25:14,640 --> 01:25:17,239
these small players are completely insane and out of control,

1182
01:25:19,000 --> 01:25:22,840
and we need to smash them. The problem is that

1183
01:25:22,880 --> 01:25:27,560
this is being fought on the Red Sea, which is

1184
01:25:27,600 --> 01:25:32,079
the you know, leading to the Suez Canal, which controls

1185
01:25:32,319 --> 01:25:37,199
twelve to seventeen percent of global shipping and if this

1186
01:25:37,359 --> 01:25:41,239
area becomes militarized, then it's a nightmare for shipping in general.

1187
01:25:43,560 --> 01:25:49,159
And it's becoming increasingly militarized, and so you're seeing the

1188
01:25:49,359 --> 01:25:56,359
death of neutral trade. Essentially, you're seeing the death of

1189
01:25:56,439 --> 01:25:59,680
the system that the Americans built after the Second World War,

1190
01:26:01,920 --> 01:26:05,520
because the Americans are no longer as capable of policing

1191
01:26:05,520 --> 01:26:11,239
the sea lanes. Remember, the USA bombed the Hothy between

1192
01:26:12,439 --> 01:26:17,199
April and May of twenty twenty five, and then the

1193
01:26:17,399 --> 01:26:21,199
US signed a separate ceasefire that excluded these Radis with

1194
01:26:21,239 --> 01:26:26,319
a Hothy and that was a huge blow to the

1195
01:26:26,359 --> 01:26:31,479
Israelis because they hadn't been informed of it. And Vance

1196
01:26:31,600 --> 01:26:36,239
was on record in the leaked signal chats saying that

1197
01:26:36,279 --> 01:26:39,880
he opposes this attack on Yemen because it looks like

1198
01:26:39,880 --> 01:26:42,680
we're just doing it for Israel and is completely pointless

1199
01:26:42,760 --> 01:26:48,760
and it's not an American national security priority. And these

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01:26:48,840 --> 01:26:50,359
Raelis have never forgiven him for that.

1201
01:26:53,760 --> 01:26:56,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why the knives have been out for Vance hard.

1202
01:26:56,560 --> 01:26:58,359
Speaker 4: And that's why the knives have been out for Vance

1203
01:26:59,199 --> 01:27:04,600
and attacking them as for hiring Tucker Carlson's son and

1204
01:27:04,680 --> 01:27:08,439
so on and so forth. So there is this question

1205
01:27:08,520 --> 01:27:16,359
about Vance. Can he express the views of those who

1206
01:27:16,399 --> 01:27:23,680
want their own country first? Because by definition Vance president

1207
01:27:23,720 --> 01:27:27,640
in eight twenty twenty nine, he's not just the president

1208
01:27:27,680 --> 01:27:33,640
of the Americans. If he's the president of the ethno nationalists,

1209
01:27:35,560 --> 01:27:39,479
he is truly the leader of the free world and

1210
01:27:39,560 --> 01:27:43,720
of the people who want to free themselves of liberal delusions.

1211
01:27:46,119 --> 01:27:51,680
So it has huge implications. But is he that guy?

1212
01:27:52,920 --> 01:27:56,920
Speaker 1: I may have some information I cannot neither confirm nor

1213
01:27:57,000 --> 01:28:03,199
deny that that Advance and his team have may have

1214
01:28:03,279 --> 01:28:07,319
been asking certain people lately to come and talk to

1215
01:28:07,439 --> 01:28:17,079
him about what the identity of an American is recently,

1216
01:28:18,000 --> 01:28:20,079
So I can either confirm nor deny this is all

1217
01:28:20,119 --> 01:28:26,279
a rumor. But it seems like from what I've heard JD.

1218
01:28:26,319 --> 01:28:30,239
Evans may be asking the question of what is the

1219
01:28:30,279 --> 01:28:32,279
American identity going forward?

1220
01:28:33,640 --> 01:28:38,840
Speaker 4: Well, it's a real issue. It's a real issue because

1221
01:28:38,880 --> 01:28:42,439
if you show up in North Carolina and you're building

1222
01:28:42,479 --> 01:28:47,840
a temple to Vishnu or to Krishna or to whatever,

1223
01:28:48,840 --> 01:28:54,239
monkey god, elephant god, whatever it is, that is by

1224
01:28:54,319 --> 01:28:55,600
definition not American.

1225
01:28:56,640 --> 01:28:57,199
Speaker 2: That's right.

1226
01:28:58,239 --> 01:29:03,199
Speaker 4: You could sort of include Jewish people, black people, even

1227
01:29:03,279 --> 01:29:10,279
Mexicans and say we're all monotheists at least. But if

1228
01:29:10,279 --> 01:29:19,079
you're literally worshiping monkey gods, like in what do you

1229
01:29:19,319 --> 01:29:20,600
what are you even talking about?

1230
01:29:21,720 --> 01:29:26,800
Speaker 2: That's right. I've heard similar stuff Pete, and he is

1231
01:29:27,039 --> 01:29:30,039
from what I understand, what I understand and I've got

1232
01:29:30,479 --> 01:29:32,720
you know, I do not know j D. I know

1233
01:29:33,199 --> 01:29:36,840
some other folks in the administration, but I do not

1234
01:29:37,000 --> 01:29:43,239
know j D. But he is personally, I think, pretty

1235
01:29:43,279 --> 01:29:48,600
inclined towards the Thomas Aquinas view of it takes three

1236
01:29:48,640 --> 01:29:55,000
generations in order to in order to truly be part

1237
01:29:55,199 --> 01:30:01,479
of a new of a people. Three maybe four, I

1238
01:30:01,479 --> 01:30:02,760
can't remember the exact.

1239
01:30:03,079 --> 01:30:09,399
Speaker 1: Uh, probably fine, it's three three generations, yeah.

1240
01:30:09,039 --> 01:30:14,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so what a tremendous step in the right

1241
01:30:14,319 --> 01:30:20,760
direction that would be for for any people. Honestly, Aquinas

1242
01:30:20,840 --> 01:30:24,960
is just speaking from wisdom of saying, why would you ever,

1243
01:30:26,039 --> 01:30:28,760
why would you ever give political power to somebody who

1244
01:30:28,880 --> 01:30:31,640
just got off the boat? I mean, he didn't express

1245
01:30:31,680 --> 01:30:37,720
it exactly, that's what he's saying, and so uh, and

1246
01:30:37,760 --> 01:30:42,319
that's not being you know, that's just that's just being wise.

1247
01:30:42,439 --> 01:30:46,000
If I moved, if I moved next door to Pharaoh's

1248
01:30:46,039 --> 01:30:51,079
outside of London, uh, next week, I would not expect

1249
01:30:51,560 --> 01:30:57,279
to hold any political power in England, you know.

1250
01:30:57,439 --> 01:31:00,439
Speaker 4: To tell you how insane it is, let me tell

1251
01:31:00,479 --> 01:31:03,000
you how I'm saying it is. By law in Britain,

1252
01:31:03,479 --> 01:31:08,800
anybody who's a Commonwealth citizen can vote in British elections.

1253
01:31:10,640 --> 01:31:14,359
So literally, any Nigerian or Indian can just sort of

1254
01:31:14,479 --> 01:31:18,079
vote immediately. And the party that is supposed to be

1255
01:31:18,119 --> 01:31:24,880
opposing this reform just chose a Bangladeshi student to run

1256
01:31:24,960 --> 01:31:29,439
for them as a candidate for local councils for local government.

1257
01:31:32,479 --> 01:31:39,560
So we are living in an age of madness. We're

1258
01:31:39,600 --> 01:31:45,680
living in an age of complete madness here. And like

1259
01:31:46,079 --> 01:31:49,039
the harder you pull in one direction, the more the

1260
01:31:49,079 --> 01:31:51,640
pendulum will swing violently in the opposite direction.

1261
01:31:51,720 --> 01:31:59,239
Speaker 1: Eventually, Well, it's a liberal it's liberalism. Right before you connected,

1262
01:31:59,319 --> 01:32:02,880
Ron and Iwertz talking and we talked about how liberalism is,

1263
01:32:02,960 --> 01:32:08,960
like it's such a perversion of Christianity and that you, yeah,

1264
01:32:10,039 --> 01:32:15,039
or anyone can become a Christian, but you're expected to change,

1265
01:32:15,079 --> 01:32:18,119
You're expected to have become a part of the confession.

1266
01:32:18,199 --> 01:32:22,359
You're you're expected You're not expected to be like ilhan

1267
01:32:22,600 --> 01:32:27,199
omar Up in Minneapolis, who is like, look, I'm a Somali.

1268
01:32:27,720 --> 01:32:31,840
I'm here to serve Somali's and that's it.

1269
01:32:32,039 --> 01:32:35,359
Speaker 2: I mean, you have to bow the knee.

1270
01:32:35,760 --> 01:32:40,479
Speaker 1: George Washington, Yeah, George Washington, I mean George Washington and

1271
01:32:41,359 --> 01:32:48,239
these gentlemen were not They were not modern day liberals

1272
01:32:48,479 --> 01:32:53,119
in the sense that they would resource to violence upon

1273
01:32:53,199 --> 01:32:58,199
hearing that. I mean, there would be these people wouldn't

1274
01:32:58,199 --> 01:33:01,000
be they'd either be on a ship going home or

1275
01:33:01,039 --> 01:33:02,199
they'd be unalived.

1276
01:33:03,000 --> 01:33:10,560
Speaker 4: Yes, mm hmmm, yes. I mean imagine telling George Washington

1277
01:33:11,119 --> 01:33:15,880
or any of the Founding Fathers that a guy called

1278
01:33:15,960 --> 01:33:22,640
Vivekraswami ran for president in the United States. His assumption

1279
01:33:22,760 --> 01:33:25,359
would have to be that the United States somehow lost

1280
01:33:25,359 --> 01:33:29,560
a war against India, like not only did the British

1281
01:33:29,560 --> 01:33:34,079
Empire disintegrate, India rose a superpower and then invaded America

1282
01:33:34,159 --> 01:33:38,279
and now they're installing their man. That's what he would assume.

1283
01:33:39,560 --> 01:33:44,159
Speaker 1: The VIK is So he's so brain diseased in liberalism.

1284
01:33:44,279 --> 01:33:46,720
Speaker 3: And I mean, we know that it all.

1285
01:33:47,319 --> 01:33:50,439
Speaker 4: He's an internationalist, but he wears liberalism as a skin

1286
01:33:50,520 --> 01:33:51,720
suit because it suits right.

1287
01:33:52,560 --> 01:33:57,119
Speaker 1: But but the way he talks about it is like anyone,

1288
01:33:58,199 --> 01:34:05,720
any group or any person in Malaysia can recite a

1289
01:34:05,760 --> 01:34:09,159
couple words and take an oath and they're automatically American.

1290
01:34:09,279 --> 01:34:10,680
Speaker 3: They don't even have to come here.

1291
01:34:11,359 --> 01:34:14,800
Speaker 1: They're just automatically American because it's all about ideas.

1292
01:34:14,399 --> 01:34:21,399
Speaker 4: Because it's this conflation of America and the Promised Land

1293
01:34:21,720 --> 01:34:26,640
or and Christianity. Mm hmmm, yes, well then get back

1294
01:34:26,920 --> 01:34:29,720
as you're a Christian. But you still have to work

1295
01:34:30,039 --> 01:34:36,039
to get to Heaven, not that issue. You still have

1296
01:34:36,119 --> 01:34:42,640
to change within properly to get to heaven. You still

1297
01:34:42,720 --> 01:34:46,760
have to do what Christianity demands of you. You still

1298
01:34:46,840 --> 01:34:50,039
have to have the faith genuinely, not just recite the words.

1299
01:34:51,560 --> 01:34:53,920
You still have to believe, you have to accept God's grace,

1300
01:34:53,960 --> 01:34:56,239
you have to let God's grace work within you for

1301
01:34:56,319 --> 01:35:00,199
you to properly convert. But they take all that away,

1302
01:35:00,760 --> 01:35:02,359
and it's just sort of, you know, it's sort of

1303
01:35:02,399 --> 01:35:06,000
like Islam actually, because in Islam you just have to

1304
01:35:06,039 --> 01:35:08,640
recite the Shahada once and that's it. You're a Muslim

1305
01:35:08,680 --> 01:35:10,840
and if you change your mind, you can be killed.

1306
01:35:13,399 --> 01:35:15,880
So it's it's it's closer to Islam in a in

1307
01:35:15,960 --> 01:35:20,840
a practical sense, even though it's predicated on ideas. Of

1308
01:35:20,920 --> 01:35:28,359
Christian conversion and it's just not tenable.

1309
01:35:31,079 --> 01:35:33,600
Speaker 2: There's a great passage and one of my favorite books

1310
01:35:33,880 --> 01:35:37,399
is by that named Peter Leithheart. It's called Against Christianity.

1311
01:35:37,439 --> 01:35:42,920
That's an ironic title, it's not, it's it's actually pro Christendom.

1312
01:35:43,119 --> 01:35:46,960
And the idea is that it makes this very point

1313
01:35:47,039 --> 01:35:52,600
that that identities are bound in covenant. So it's not

1314
01:35:53,079 --> 01:35:57,079
just a recitation of an idea. So there's this great

1315
01:35:57,119 --> 01:36:03,399
scene where he driving through Canada and stops to get gas,

1316
01:36:04,079 --> 01:36:09,279
and the and the gas station attendant says, oh, I

1317
01:36:09,319 --> 01:36:15,199
see your your plates are you're you're an American. He goes, well,

1318
01:36:15,199 --> 01:36:17,319
I'm an American too, and he goes, oh really, why

1319
01:36:17,359 --> 01:36:19,000
did you move up to Canada? Go no, no, no, no,

1320
01:36:19,039 --> 01:36:21,479
I've always lived in Canada. He goes, well, you say

1321
01:36:21,479 --> 01:36:23,760
you're American, what what do you mean? And he said, well,

1322
01:36:23,880 --> 01:36:29,159
I think the Declaration of Independence is just amazing. Well, okay,

1323
01:36:29,720 --> 01:36:35,399
and your Constitution is fantastic, that this tripartite system of

1324
01:36:35,560 --> 01:36:39,800
checks and balances. Okay, but you said you were American.

1325
01:36:40,079 --> 01:36:45,800
And I just love George Washington and what a beautiful flag. Okay,

1326
01:36:45,840 --> 01:36:49,760
and I vacation there and I just oh, it's it's beautiful.

1327
01:36:50,000 --> 01:36:53,920
But you said you were an American? When when did

1328
01:36:53,960 --> 01:36:58,159
you When were you naturalized? When did you become Well,

1329
01:36:58,800 --> 01:37:03,319
I didn't do any of that. I didn't actually I

1330
01:37:03,600 --> 01:37:06,760
And he said, and so it is with any identity,

1331
01:37:06,840 --> 01:37:13,760
and especially with Christianity. You you don't just assent to

1332
01:37:13,840 --> 01:37:17,520
a set of ideas. You bow your knee to a king.

1333
01:37:18,079 --> 01:37:22,119
Now in our situation, you you you pledge allegiance and

1334
01:37:22,239 --> 01:37:26,439
you become a citizen, and you have an actual ceremony

1335
01:37:26,479 --> 01:37:30,920
that does that, that changes reality. And part of this,

1336
01:37:31,680 --> 01:37:38,239
part of this is the American rejection, uh wrongly of

1337
01:37:38,239 --> 01:37:42,920
of of ceremony that actually does something. And we have

1338
01:37:43,000 --> 01:37:46,840
a very we have We are very evangelicals are very

1339
01:37:46,880 --> 01:37:50,439
suspicious of this. Yes I'm not, but but I always

1340
01:37:50,479 --> 01:37:53,640
tell these folks, okay, I said, you don't think ceremonies

1341
01:37:53,680 --> 01:37:57,439
actually change anything. And I bring up naturalization. I'm married

1342
01:37:57,479 --> 01:38:01,239
to a I'm married to a naturalized citizen. I went

1343
01:38:01,319 --> 01:38:07,079
to her naturalization ceremony. That ceremony actually changed reality. She

1344
01:38:07,239 --> 01:38:12,359
ceased being a Canadian and became a US citizen. When

1345
01:38:12,399 --> 01:38:17,640
we got married, we said some words before witnesses, kissed

1346
01:38:17,760 --> 01:38:21,960
before witnesses and we became and it had words pronounced

1347
01:38:21,960 --> 01:38:25,359
over us, and became a husband and wife. My two

1348
01:38:25,439 --> 01:38:30,880
children were presented before the church and had water sprinkled

1349
01:38:30,920 --> 01:38:35,079
on them, and they became covenant members in the household

1350
01:38:35,079 --> 01:38:41,439
of God. And so but but evangelicals in the United

1351
01:38:41,439 --> 01:38:47,239
States is primarily spiritually. An evangelical nation struggles with this.

1352
01:38:47,359 --> 01:38:50,560
And that's why we struggle with this idea of identity.

1353
01:38:50,600 --> 01:38:53,560
And we want to export this liberalism where you can

1354
01:38:53,640 --> 01:38:57,800
just say you can assent to a set of ideals

1355
01:38:57,920 --> 01:39:00,920
as opposed to bowing the knee. And what we need

1356
01:39:00,960 --> 01:39:07,680
to return to, both politically and spiritually and familiarly is

1357
01:39:07,760 --> 01:39:10,439
the bowing of the need. This is also tied up

1358
01:39:10,439 --> 01:39:14,960
in and I'm not some kind of weird patriarchy guy,

1359
01:39:15,000 --> 01:39:17,479
but but but you do have But this is also

1360
01:39:17,640 --> 01:39:22,279
tied into fathers who who see it as their duty

1361
01:39:22,439 --> 01:39:25,600
to protect and bless their families. And they are and

1362
01:39:25,680 --> 01:39:29,079
there's a certain amount of loyalty that and respect that

1363
01:39:29,159 --> 01:39:31,960
has showed to them. And and that's true of the

1364
01:39:32,000 --> 01:39:35,399
state where you bow your knee and okay, I and

1365
01:39:35,399 --> 01:39:38,720
and in church, I bow my need of Christ. And

1366
01:39:38,760 --> 01:39:43,640
that that three legged stool that the US constitution is

1367
01:39:43,760 --> 01:39:47,520
kind of built upon it's patterned after, but that three

1368
01:39:47,640 --> 01:39:52,359
legged stool of how, the of how God instituted first

1369
01:39:52,399 --> 01:39:55,239
the church in Eden, and then the family and Adam

1370
01:39:55,279 --> 01:39:58,119
and even and then the state when he made the

1371
01:39:58,159 --> 01:40:02,720
covenant with Noah. If if man, if man sheds blood

1372
01:40:02,720 --> 01:40:06,319
by man, shall his blood be shed in the institution

1373
01:40:06,479 --> 01:40:11,920
of the state. That's that all built upon allegiance and loyalty.

1374
01:40:12,359 --> 01:40:16,199
That's what we are all calling to return to. And

1375
01:40:16,560 --> 01:40:20,760
without it you get this, you get this liberalized soup again,

1376
01:40:20,880 --> 01:40:23,840
where well, what's mine? What do I fight for? What

1377
01:40:23,840 --> 01:40:26,399
do I am? What am I called to? Because we

1378
01:40:26,439 --> 01:40:29,000
all know it's much harder to climb a ladder than

1379
01:40:29,000 --> 01:40:32,720
it is to fall off of it. And we're seeing

1380
01:40:34,640 --> 01:40:39,399
manifest throughout the world, the liberal world, at least UH,

1381
01:40:39,640 --> 01:40:43,199
people who have fallen off ladders left and right. And

1382
01:40:43,239 --> 01:40:46,119
what we're calling, what what we are calling towards is

1383
01:40:46,159 --> 01:40:51,239
no we we are this is this, this, this uh.

1384
01:40:52,159 --> 01:40:57,159
Civilization is built upon helping men climb this ladder of

1385
01:40:57,439 --> 01:41:03,000
of of allegiance, loyalty, virtue of and only then can

1386
01:41:03,039 --> 01:41:09,439
you have within these identities, these bastions of of liberalism

1387
01:41:09,600 --> 01:41:14,640
or the of of where I can have freedom of association,

1388
01:41:14,840 --> 01:41:19,199
freedom of contract, freedom uh, to to buy a home,

1389
01:41:19,279 --> 01:41:21,880
and all these kind of things. Those are the result

1390
01:41:22,000 --> 01:41:28,239
of of these of of of these loyalty structures, of

1391
01:41:28,279 --> 01:41:32,399
these structures of allegiance. Not that's not how you get there.

1392
01:41:32,439 --> 01:41:35,159
And we have so put the cart before the horse,

1393
01:41:35,479 --> 01:41:37,520
and we wonder why it's falling apart.

1394
01:41:38,880 --> 01:41:45,920
Speaker 4: And for that to function, there's got to be trust

1395
01:41:46,239 --> 01:41:51,560
in your pledge of allegiance rather than it being the

1396
01:41:51,640 --> 01:41:58,239
result of being an anchor baby or the result of

1397
01:41:59,760 --> 01:42:04,800
somebody who will simply mouth the words for an administrative procedure.

1398
01:42:08,560 --> 01:42:11,520
So like to take an oath to join the mob,

1399
01:42:11,600 --> 01:42:13,880
you have to sort of cut your hand and bleed

1400
01:42:13,880 --> 01:42:15,920
a little bit and say that we're one blood. Now

1401
01:42:16,079 --> 01:42:20,880
there is something like that, you know, And that's the

1402
01:42:20,920 --> 01:42:24,119
intention that you're now part of a new family that

1403
01:42:24,199 --> 01:42:26,960
you shed blood for. That's the symbolic meaning of it.

1404
01:42:27,039 --> 01:42:28,960
Not that I'm encouraging people to go and join them all,

1405
01:42:30,920 --> 01:42:32,479
but no.

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Speaker 2: But people understand blood oats exactly. People understand. That's why

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people understand the blood shed by Christ is is in

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that we become a new family. That No, this is

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a truth as old as mankind. We understand that it's

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a perfect illustration for.

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Speaker 4: Us, exactly exactly. And so when you have cultures who

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will simply mouth any words you give them for the

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sake of convenience, their pledge of allegiance means nothing. It

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01:43:09,720 --> 01:43:16,000
really doesn't mean it very much at all. The Quran

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doesn't prohibit you from keeping your oaths to unbelievers, but

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01:43:23,399 --> 01:43:28,920
it doesn't consistently command you to keep your oaths to them.

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01:43:28,960 --> 01:43:32,960
And you can't be a Muslim and submit genuinely to

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01:43:33,199 --> 01:43:40,560
un Islamic rule. So you have a problem with India

1419
01:43:40,600 --> 01:43:48,439
and cultures like that China, Okay, good luck, But if

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01:43:48,479 --> 01:43:54,560
they marry other Chinese or Indians or whatever, that oath

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01:43:54,680 --> 01:43:59,840
is not as serious obviously, because what's meant to happen

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01:43:59,920 --> 01:44:03,960
is as you join a new community, if you're adopted

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01:44:04,039 --> 01:44:06,560
into a tribe, you're meant to marry into the tribe

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and melt into the tribe.

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Speaker 2: So fear is what you're saying is faith without works

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is dead.

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Speaker 4: There has to be something that demonstrates your faith. Simply

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01:44:23,560 --> 01:44:29,479
mouthing the words doesn't mean that you have faith. You

1429
01:44:29,640 --> 01:44:33,560
have to live it. And I struggle with living my faith.

1430
01:44:34,000 --> 01:44:42,760
I'm not particularly, but I do feel the pressure to

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01:44:42,920 --> 01:44:47,560
live by the faith that I profess. But that isn't

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01:44:47,600 --> 01:44:50,199
a universal truth, and it isn't true of me on

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01:44:50,279 --> 01:44:58,840
my bad days. So there's got to be this recognition that. Look,

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if you've come into the United States or into Britain

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01:45:01,960 --> 01:45:07,239
or into Germany, and you've built this separate enclave where

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01:45:07,279 --> 01:45:10,359
you eat the food that your ancestors eat, and celebrate

1437
01:45:10,439 --> 01:45:14,279
the holidays that your ancestors celebrated, and marry into your

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01:45:14,279 --> 01:45:19,800
ancestral community, and and and eventually obviously you're going to

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01:45:19,880 --> 01:45:24,439
advocate for your ancestors politics because you have it. Your

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01:45:24,479 --> 01:45:26,960
faith is dead, because faith is dead because you haven't

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01:45:27,000 --> 01:45:32,399
kept that place, you haven't melted into that tribe, you

1442
01:45:32,479 --> 01:45:40,359
haven't melted into that people three generations down. What it

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01:45:40,399 --> 01:45:43,960
should look like is that pretty much all of your

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01:45:44,000 --> 01:45:48,880
descendants have the blood of the people that you've joined.

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01:45:50,000 --> 01:45:56,079
Mm hm, not just yours, not just your own ancestors.

1446
01:45:58,520 --> 01:46:03,920
But we keep seeing the same act pattern, and we're fighting,

1447
01:46:03,920 --> 01:46:07,079
and the West is fighting wars to preserve this lunacy.

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Speaker 3: Mm hmm.

1449
01:46:10,399 --> 01:46:13,560
Speaker 4: The West is literally fighting wars to preserve this lunacy.

1450
01:46:15,239 --> 01:46:16,359
But it makes no sense.

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01:46:18,720 --> 01:46:22,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're more loyal to Starbucks and McDonald's than we are.

1452
01:46:23,880 --> 01:46:31,479
Speaker 4: To us to truths. Yeah, to to big T truths. Yeah.

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01:46:31,520 --> 01:46:35,239
Speaker 2: I think that's so, how do we get back? And guys,

1454
01:46:35,239 --> 01:46:38,359
I've got about five or ten minutes and then I'm

1455
01:46:38,439 --> 01:46:40,399
I'm gonna have to I'm gonna have to go.

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01:46:40,880 --> 01:46:45,119
Speaker 4: But like I said, there's a peaceful way, and there's

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01:46:45,159 --> 01:46:49,800
a after it's all burnt to the groundway mm hmm.

1458
01:46:50,640 --> 01:46:52,920
But the peaceful way has to admit. Look, you know

1459
01:46:54,319 --> 01:47:00,239
we are going to Little Mogadishu and everybody in that area. Uh,

1460
01:47:01,479 --> 01:47:06,399
if they don't have a pre nineteen sixty five American

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01:47:07,319 --> 01:47:15,279
ancestor is no longer eligible to remain here in Britain.

1462
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I think it's the nineteen forty eight Nationality Act, or sorry,

1463
01:47:18,640 --> 01:47:21,359
the nineteen forty eight. Yeah, I believe it's the nineteen

1464
01:47:21,439 --> 01:47:23,720
forty eight Nationality Act.

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01:47:23,560 --> 01:47:24,399
Speaker 3: Pre win Rush.

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Speaker 2: We have the Yeah, in speaking of wind Rush, have

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01:47:28,159 --> 01:47:32,720
the have the what was it half a million Jamaicans

1468
01:47:32,720 --> 01:47:33,319
that came in?

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01:47:34,199 --> 01:47:34,760
Speaker 4: Is that right?

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01:47:35,239 --> 01:47:36,000
Speaker 2: That's about the number?

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01:47:36,079 --> 01:47:38,680
Speaker 4: No. One wind Rush It's it was it was a

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01:47:38,720 --> 01:47:41,119
couple of thousand, it was a few thousand people, it

1473
01:47:41,159 --> 01:47:43,439
was it was a small boat, and then wave after

1474
01:47:43,479 --> 01:47:47,600
wave came, but then more followed from other parts of

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01:47:47,600 --> 01:47:48,000
the world.

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01:47:50,079 --> 01:47:52,760
Speaker 2: I have that, But what I was asking is did

1477
01:47:52,760 --> 01:48:01,119
that original did that original group did they alight pretty well?

1478
01:48:01,560 --> 01:48:04,479
Or have they? Did they not?

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01:48:04,479 --> 01:48:10,479
Speaker 4: Not? Really, you have that I most highly recognized members

1480
01:48:10,479 --> 01:48:16,399
of that community advocating for reparations. Really, you have a

1481
01:48:16,439 --> 01:48:21,920
big a bunch of black members of Parliament got together

1482
01:48:22,199 --> 01:48:26,560
and organized a series of conferences. It's become an annual

1483
01:48:26,600 --> 01:48:32,880
event now where they explain why they're olde reparations. If

1484
01:48:32,920 --> 01:48:36,720
you believe your olde reparations, you're saying that the white

1485
01:48:36,880 --> 01:48:40,520
natives owe you reparations, the same white natives who ended

1486
01:48:40,520 --> 01:48:44,199
the slave trade. But that's not digress. But you are

1487
01:48:44,239 --> 01:48:49,399
also asserting a separate identity. That's the more important and

1488
01:48:49,439 --> 01:48:55,560
more salient point. And so maybe we can get into

1489
01:48:55,560 --> 01:48:58,680
a compromise and say, okay, this is X amount of

1490
01:48:58,680 --> 01:49:03,960
money and then good by and good luck. Maybe the

1491
01:49:03,960 --> 01:49:06,239
British can't come up with this kind of kind of compromise.

1492
01:49:06,359 --> 01:49:09,479
Maybe the threat of that compromise will make people integrate.

1493
01:49:11,920 --> 01:49:15,800
But but it hasn't happened. It really hasn't happened.

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01:49:20,079 --> 01:49:24,079
Speaker 2: And what about the is it similar with the the

1495
01:49:24,199 --> 01:49:29,119
Nigerian immigrants into uh those are mostly in the London area.

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Speaker 4: As understand, it's like the Black community in London is

1497
01:49:35,479 --> 01:49:41,159
not particularly well integrated. I'd say, yeah, it's it's their

1498
01:49:41,199 --> 01:49:45,760
own group. They Let me put it to you this way,

1499
01:49:46,359 --> 01:49:49,119
a Black church service in London will resemble a Black

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01:49:49,239 --> 01:49:52,479
church service in America more than it will resemble a

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01:49:52,560 --> 01:49:54,760
High Anglican service.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, makes total sense.

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01:50:00,479 --> 01:50:07,640
Speaker 4: And that sort of tells you something. I guess. The

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01:50:10,680 --> 01:50:15,520
problem for I hesitate to say this, but I'm going

1505
01:50:15,560 --> 01:50:19,199
to say it anyway. Part of the problem for black

1506
01:50:19,239 --> 01:50:24,159
people I suggest, I would suggest, is that they don't

1507
01:50:24,199 --> 01:50:32,520
have much outside of the West to look for. As in,

1508
01:50:33,159 --> 01:50:36,840
if you're Pakistani, you could go to Pakistan and say

1509
01:50:37,000 --> 01:50:41,119
they humiliated India in a couple of wars recently or

1510
01:50:41,119 --> 01:50:44,119
in a couple of small skirmishes recently, and they have

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01:50:44,199 --> 01:50:47,479
a strong identity and this is something to be proud

1512
01:50:47,479 --> 01:50:51,520
of and I belong there. If you're Indian, you could

1513
01:50:51,560 --> 01:50:53,560
say that about India. If you're Chinese, you could say

1514
01:50:53,560 --> 01:50:58,640
that about China, et cetera, et cetera. If you're Ghanaian,

1515
01:51:00,079 --> 01:51:01,079
if you're a Nigerian.

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01:51:03,600 --> 01:51:06,600
Speaker 7: What is it that you're sort of holding up as

1517
01:51:06,600 --> 01:51:13,119
a model, right, These are fundamentally broken countries. Yeah, Congolese, Congolese,

1518
01:51:14,680 --> 01:51:19,680
these are fundamentally broken countries. Yeah, that will remain broken

1519
01:51:19,720 --> 01:51:20,800
for a pretty long time.

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Speaker 4: I think.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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01:51:23,079 --> 01:51:29,680
Speaker 2: Within Nigeria, it's only you know, it's as I understand it.

1523
01:51:29,800 --> 01:51:34,199
I've never been. It's still very tribal. So you have successful,

1524
01:51:34,640 --> 01:51:37,279
you know, somewhat successful tribes and then less so I

1525
01:51:37,279 --> 01:51:41,119
guess the Ebo are pretty kind of the curve breakers,

1526
01:51:41,119 --> 01:51:42,960
but everybody else it's been pretty rough.

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01:51:44,199 --> 01:51:47,800
Speaker 4: So let me speaking of Nigerian integration. The leader of

1528
01:51:47,880 --> 01:51:53,119
the official opposition, the Conservative Party, is a Nigerian lady

1529
01:51:53,479 --> 01:51:57,760
by the name of Cammy Badenaw. I don't remember her

1530
01:51:57,920 --> 01:52:01,840
her full African name, her full Namenigerian name. She is

1531
01:52:01,840 --> 01:52:05,279
on record saying that she no longer identifies as Nigerian.

1532
01:52:06,720 --> 01:52:11,760
She identifies primarily as Yoruba, and she doesn't want to

1533
01:52:11,800 --> 01:52:19,840
associate with the other tribes because these are her ethnic enemies. Okay,

1534
01:52:20,159 --> 01:52:25,319
could could you sort of imagine a Frenchman saying it,

1535
01:52:25,920 --> 01:52:29,520
I don't know, some guy from Paris saying this about

1536
01:52:29,520 --> 01:52:33,640
the burg Indians or saying it about the about the

1537
01:52:34,600 --> 01:52:37,119
Normans or about some other.

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01:52:37,039 --> 01:52:43,520
Speaker 2: Well, especially especially upon you're in a third place, right,

1539
01:52:43,800 --> 01:52:48,560
you know, it'd be like me, I don't know, you know, me,

1540
01:52:48,960 --> 01:52:52,560
I get it going to London and me going to

1541
01:52:52,640 --> 01:52:58,119
London and making a huge thing about Texan rivalry with

1542
01:52:58,960 --> 01:53:01,079
New York or something. You know, it just wouldn't be

1543
01:53:01,119 --> 01:53:02,680
appropriate exactly.

1544
01:53:04,279 --> 01:53:07,680
Speaker 1: And now you and now you understand why things like

1545
01:53:07,720 --> 01:53:11,000
by saying that, you understand why things like BONDI Beach happen.

1546
01:53:11,680 --> 01:53:21,399
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, uh, these are important conflicts. And I get

1547
01:53:21,399 --> 01:53:23,760
it to somebody from Levada, but I just don't think

1548
01:53:23,800 --> 01:53:29,119
this is good for the West, and you know, like

1549
01:53:29,439 --> 01:53:31,399
there's no hope for them, but least without a strong

1550
01:53:31,439 --> 01:53:34,279
and functioning West. Otherwise we're all going to be governed

1551
01:53:34,279 --> 01:53:36,920
by Turkey. And it looks like it's heading in that

1552
01:53:36,960 --> 01:53:44,800
direction anyway. Yes, so it's it's there is this, well,

1553
01:53:44,840 --> 01:53:45,279
you need.

1554
01:53:45,119 --> 01:53:47,279
Speaker 2: A strong we're living in you need a somewhat strong

1555
01:53:47,279 --> 01:53:50,920
Iran to offset Turkey. But no one in the West

1556
01:53:50,960 --> 01:53:52,199
seems to understand that.

1557
01:53:52,399 --> 01:53:54,319
Speaker 4: So no, no.

1558
01:53:54,159 --> 01:53:56,520
Speaker 2: I mean it's like, let's go bomb Iran. I go,

1559
01:53:57,359 --> 01:54:01,520
Who's who's going to balance out Turkey? Because is it's not.

1560
01:54:02,520 --> 01:54:06,399
It's not going to be the Sud East. Nope, Israel's tiny,

1561
01:54:06,439 --> 01:54:09,720
it's not going to be the Egyptians. So who's going

1562
01:54:09,800 --> 01:54:14,760
to do it? And they control access to a pretty

1563
01:54:14,760 --> 01:54:20,399
big body of water, so yep. Anyway, yep, all right, guys,

1564
01:54:20,399 --> 01:54:21,159
I got to wrap.

1565
01:54:21,039 --> 01:54:26,359
Speaker 3: Up alrighty do plugs real quick, Firrist go first.

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01:54:27,000 --> 01:54:30,199
Speaker 4: Yeah. Sure. You can find me on mondagiopolitics dot com

1567
01:54:30,640 --> 01:54:33,560
and I'm on Twitter as well, on X as well.

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01:54:35,600 --> 01:54:41,760
Speaker 2: Ron I write for the Claremont Institute at the American Mind,

1569
01:54:41,880 --> 01:54:44,920
where I've touched on some of these things in the

1570
01:54:44,920 --> 01:54:48,640
past few months. And then i write for American Reformer

1571
01:54:48,920 --> 01:54:52,800
more theologically based stuff. I write at my own substack

1572
01:54:53,319 --> 01:54:55,399
h R where you can find it Ron Dodson or

1573
01:54:55,399 --> 01:54:59,199
the Eye of the Eyes of Apilles, and then I'm

1574
01:54:59,199 --> 01:55:00,239
on x's off.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, gentlemen, Oh, thank you so much. It is

1576
01:55:03,720 --> 01:55:04,880
a pleasure. Thank you.