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Speaker 2: Fall. The women who have gone before not fine, and
they went to arm.
Speaker 3: They paid away within their tears.
Speaker 2: They are hard and laughter Di's fight their tears yet
to come full circle?
Speaker 4: Where we are?
Speaker 2: Why have we not come as far as our homes
and dreams say?
Speaker 5: We can't o?
Speaker 3: Is it our fault? Do we explain?
Speaker 4: The man read along? When our grandparents built, we choose.
Speaker 3: To live without hiding gill. We admit when we're.
Speaker 2: Wrong, choosing love instead.
Speaker 6: We solve ours over.
Speaker 5: And we don't want one a pallors that they.
Speaker 3: Could do without getting car before you and you'll before me.
Speaker 6: It's the ballot that SAIDs free god something we don't
see those raging.
Speaker 2: War on you vanity. It's not just women, it's not
just man.
Speaker 3: It's free that leads.
Speaker 7: It's where we've been.
Speaker 8: We don't solve our prob Soon.
Speaker 6: It'll get worse far for before you lives are described
by the wars.
Speaker 1: We wait windows in and can we turn the pit?
Speaker 3: We don't want what our grandparents built. We choose to
live without hiding guilt.
Speaker 2: We admit when we're wrong, choosing love instead, solve our problems.
Speaker 9: Are friend of battle We don't.
Speaker 5: Want what our parents, but they could.
Speaker 3: Do without gang hotile before you and you before me.
Speaker 6: It's the belt that sad us freely.
Speaker 2: We don't want what our grandparents built. We choose to
live without hiding guilt. We admit when we're wrong, choosing
love and staff song.
Speaker 3: Problems are and we do along water piers, not they
to do without getting car before you and you before me.
Speaker 2: It's the ballot that sadas free.
Speaker 4: That is setus free.
Speaker 10: Brand new from our friend Nancy Manette, who's been on
the show a couple of times. She's skyping in from
from Texas.
Speaker 4: Nancy, are you there?
Speaker 7: I am, good morning, you two.
Speaker 10: Good morning, It's it's only me. Jenny is at home.
She's been she's been very very busy. I don't know
if you follow her on social media, and I do.
Speaker 7: Do you've actually been chatting?
Speaker 4: Oh okay, yeah, all of her activism.
Speaker 10: She had a pretty intense, Uh, she had a pretty
intense couple of days this week. And so she's home
home getting so well earned, well deserved rest. But I'm
so very proud of her.
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, yeah, she's yes, well, she she sent me
a text and uh, the picture from her in front
of you know, down in in the downtown Manhattan, in
front of the Stock Exchange. And yes, you know, I
got teary eyed when I saw her picture because part
of the lyrics, instead of free, talks about greed. And
you know, when when our friends and our family and
our neighbors and even the strangers we've not met yet yet,
but they're they're citizens of this country, do not have
access to healthcare, but record profits are being recorded. I'm
not sure. I'm not sure we're doing it right.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I'm absolutely completely sure we're doing it wrong. I'm
absolutely I have no no doubts whatsoever.
Speaker 4: We're doing it wrong.
Speaker 7: That's right.
Speaker 4: But no, I love the song set Us Free, and
this is new right or this is relative brand new?
Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah, I actually, uh, while recording the debut album,
I was working on the next one, and so uh,
this was written.
Speaker 7: This was it's a it's a I'm I love this
song for a lot of reasons, but also like where
it came. I was sitting at Criteria down in Miami.
We wrapped early and I had time left over to
just noodle around on the piano, and I had this concept.
Actually when I flew home from London from recording at
Abbey Road. I thought, I want to write a song
about you know, women and what we've been through and
you know whose fault, you know, we we point a
lot of fingers, right.
Speaker 10: And and is it is it?
Speaker 7: You know, the man's fault? And and and I'm like,
you know, it's it's not just women, and it's not
just men, it's you know. I just started writing and
then when I got to Criteria, I sat down on
the piano and the melody came and it was slotted
for the next album. So this is the first read.
This is actually the first song on the upcoming album
release that will be later this winter, I think early spring.
Speaker 4: Outstanding. Yes, what's the album called? Do you have a title?
Speaker 1: I do?
Speaker 7: Yeah, look look for Paths P A A P A
T h S. Yeah, that'll be coming out. How many,
of course singles will come after that, but yeah, after
this one. But then the album will drop probably sometime
in April.
Speaker 4: How many do you know how many songs are going
to be on it?
Speaker 7: And that one is nine nine?
Speaker 10: Okay, so is the album? Is the album completely done?
It's it's just uh, yes, excellent.
Speaker 7: Yes, it is, in fact, we're finishing number four right
now in the studio.
Speaker 4: Okay, so yeah, wow, yeah, a little busy, Yeah, no kidding, huh.
Speaker 10: So, so since we last talked, according to Skype, it
was oh, actually, according to Skype, it was ten months ago.
But then there was also that time you were here
in studio with us. But yeah, so that was obviously
more recent, right, Yes.
Speaker 7: That was in May. It was in May at the
launch of the debut album.
Speaker 4: Okay, it all becomes I love seeing you guys in person.
Speaker 7: I wish I could be there right now.
Speaker 10: Yeah, no, it was wonderful to have you here. It
all becomes such a blur as far as time. I
also say too, I feel like the pandemic messed up
time for a lot of people because I absolutely so
many of us perceived time differently now than we did
a pre pandemic for whatever reason.
Speaker 4: But yeah, so this is so. Is there a theme
with the the new album?
Speaker 10: I mean, obviously, you know, set Us Free has a
you know, it's pretty pretty specific, and you know you
can you can get a message out of those lyrics, certainly,
But is there a theme running through the album with
with paths.
Speaker 7: I would say the word pat that's actually where the
you know we have, life takes us down different roads, right,
and you know, depending on what we choose on a
day to day and year to year, life just takes
us in different directions. And and so it's an album
that really focuses, you know, And I'm a you know,
I'm a I'm a story teller, right, I'm you know
a lot of ways. My my lyrics are folk driven,
but my style is not folk, right, So I've got
the stories that are constantly running through any of my lyrics,
and and you'll find that on this upcoming album as well.
I you know, just address different topics. I addressed topics
of pain, I address topics of you know, a woman
getting out on her own, address topics of you know,
we need each other as a community to jump off together,
so we're each other's cheerleaders and and and set us free.
You know, I'm addressing we don't want, you know, what
our parents thought they could do without getting caught. You know,
you know a lot of us have parents, And I
was speaking from myself my you know, my dad has
been gone many years, but I still have a parent
in her mid to late eighties, and and even our grandparents. Man.
You know, my my grandmother U. She was not a
not a not rest her soul, She was not a
nice human, you know. And a lot of the problems
that are still systemic today point back to this dishonesty
and this greed that we built and then said we
should be okay with. And it was my daughter who
pointed it out, you know, as as she was looking
at even my own career, and how we go out
and build, build, build, build, build and collect and you know, stuff,
and at the expense of other people. And so you know,
just what like what Gen's facing, you know, just basic
health cares and and and shots that are that are
needed for people's well being and not having access is
it's heartbreaking.
Speaker 10: Actually now when you talk, when you talk in the
song about what what they thought, you know, they could
do and and sort of get away with are you
are you speaking broadly or are you speaking about specific
things that happened to you growing up?
Speaker 7: This one is actually a much broader Yes, it could
be let me let me back up. It could be
applicable to my life for sure, right, things that happened
to me as a child, things that have happened in
my adult life that people have chosen to lie about,
right for sure. But actually the underlying tone for this
song was really based on a conversation I had with
my daughter and looking at the state of the world
in present day and how you know people can just
get away with criminal behavior. Yes, and as long as
the dollar is lining our pockets. You know, this is
a worldwide problem. You know, I could just focus it
right here in the US, but this is something that
has to be corrected across the world. And there are
some places that are doing some things very well, so
shout out to to those countries. But I it is
it's a direct you know, it's a direct response to
where we're finding ourselves as humans on this planet. And
I believe we have a responsibility to take care of
each other. Yes, it's not just what's in my retirement plan, right.
Speaker 12: Right.
Speaker 7: Yeah, But also you know, for sure, when I was
young or even present day, you know, I live under
I live under the threat of lives. And you know,
if just to share a song as simple as set
us free, yeah, do.
Speaker 10: You do you have a relationship with and obviously some
of these things we've talked about in previous conversations, but
for people who are hearing me speak with you for
the first time on the show. For newer listeners, I
can't recall exactly what you've said about this, But do
you have a relationship with anyone from your your family
growing up or is.
Speaker 2: I do not?
Speaker 4: Okay and not well?
Speaker 7: And let me back that up. I do with an
aunt who really just pioneered the way as a single woman,
was single, has been single her whole life, you know,
started as an airline attendant way back in the early sixties,
and so she has lived her whole life as a
single woman and has really paved the way for a
lot of us women. But other than my aunt, I
do not, and not without trying. And I'll tell you
I went last Christmas. I went to share a Christmas
song that I had written with my adoptive mother, and
I was greeted in the driveway by my adoptive brother
who just lit me up, just screaming, yelling, you know
you won't sing about it. I'm like sing about what.
I'm literally here to share a song about Christmas in
our hearts all year long, you know, And and I
have you know, I lean towards empathy and compassion, especially
you know, well, I just lean towards empathy and compassion
in general. But you know, we a lot of us
have parents siblings that are that are mentally ill, and
that mental illness while they don't get access, right, there
has to be boundaries they you know, they deserve compassion.
Somebody who suffers from any mental illness, it's it's torturess
for them. But the havoc they reak, you know, is real,
and boundaries have to be in place. And I tend
to lean towards the hopeful, right, Yes, that I went
and shared and the debut album was coming out, and
and it was a firestorm and threats. You talk about anything,
we'll sue you. It's like, well, Merry Christmas. I was
shocked and I thought, where on earth are they getting
this narrative about, like what they're screaming about? And then
I realized it wasn't you know, until probably days later,
because in full you know, vulnerability, Matt, I left. I
left and just burst into tears. And they live in
southern California. So I left, you know, and drove and
I was way down, you know, driving through Camp Pendleton,
heading to San Diego. And I drove until I got
to that rest stop that there's a break there on
the coast, and I just I just bawled, and I
just thought, wow, you know, I'm hopeful. I believe that
people can grow and change. And then WHOA, there, I
did it. I walked right into it. Didn't see it
coming at all, because I truly went to share a
song of hope, and part of the Christmas song I wrote,
Spirit of Christmas focuses on, you know, an older person
being alone on the holidays. Kids are grown, you know,
spouses you know are gone for whatever reason, and it
identifies with my mom. And yet that that wasn't the focus.
So I figured it out. I figured out why they
were so upset because I had a promo video that
talked about being pinned up against a piano at my cabin.
Would I'm referring to my abusive ex husband and my
brother literally thought it was him.
Speaker 4: Oh right right. I remember now when you heard the
story before it as.
Speaker 7: We had a cabin in the local Big Bear Mountains
growing up that had a piano in it, and he Matt,
he had actually done that, and I had forgotten, and
so you know, as it's all coming back, and of course,
you know now I'm calling my my counselor. And I
was like, wow, okay, you guys are threatening to assue
me if I continue to sing and share stories and
bring hope and there's forgiveness for the past. It's the past.
I can't be doing what I'm doing now. If I
can't embrace forgiveness and wholeness, I'd be writing a lot
angrier music. Trust me.
Speaker 10: You know what's kind of wild is so you have
something very much in common with another recent guest who
we had an author, Natalie Moseley Klanad, who was actually
on last week. So she's an author, and we had
her on because she had written a book about her
son has a CRPS complex Regional pain syndrome and which
is what Jenny has. So you know, that's that's how
we met Natalie. But she's written several books and one
of the books she wrote and forgive me, I can't
remember the exact title, but it has to do with
her family and the term and I had never heard
this term before narc attack because I guess I guess her.
I think it was her mother was was a narcissist,
and and and and Natalie for you know, for reasons
not unlike your reasons. Natalie has no relationship with her
family who she grew up with, and and so narc
attack refers to, you know, the narcissism that she had
to endure from her family. And I had never even
heard that term before, narc attack. I mean, I think
I think we might have called that when I was
when I was in high school. You know, if if
you know, hey, that that kid narked us out, you know,
we should give him an arc attack for doing that,
you know, But I'm kidding, uh sort of.
Speaker 7: But but I think we're in the same age. I
think it had a very different meaning.
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, well I hear the term narc I I
think of something different but abs but but but some
of the things And I remember thinking this too as
Natalie was speaking on the show about her experience. There
are similarities to to your experience with your family, and
and I think, if I remember from what she said,
she has no, no Jesus not able to have any
relationship with the family that she had growing up.
Speaker 7: So yeah, you can't because it's it's debilitating and and
for those of us who've experienced it and then uh
have grown and healed and we even offer forgiveness. It's
still extraordinarily pain and debilitating when when you have to
step back into that and you know, I would absolutely
put my adoptive brother in the narcissist category. It was
a huge eye opener for me because I really have
had no relationship with him since we left the home
and left high school and we all went out on
our own. Yea, he actually was very troubled in his
teens and he should have had narcs called on him.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he was.
Speaker 7: He was, you know, just really in the thick of
drugs and alcohol and and just really struggled for the
rest of his life. But you know, my adoptive mother
has borderline personality disorder, and so that's on the spectrum
of narcissism. And so you know, somebody's always the bad
child in that scenario. And you know, it doesn't matter
how good somebody is as a child or an adult,
if that is you know, what they're facing with parents
or siblings, you'll never There's nothing you'll ever do that's
good enough.
Speaker 4: You can't win. It's it's an absolutely.
Speaker 7: There isn't. And so you know, there's a there's a
very popular belief and it's difficult, Matt, because we want
to be close to our family, and you know that
that blood is everything and that you never and I'm like,
you know what, it's it's not. We deserve to be
treated with respect, and we deserve to be treated with
love and kindness and understanding and for how we show
up in the world. And if our families do not
give us that and we're under attack or we walk
into abusive situations even as adults, we don't have to
stay and we don't have to have relationship.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 10: It's very very and and you talked about it a
little bit, it's very difficult when you know they're mentally
ill and you so obviously it's in a sense it's well,
I shouldn't say in a sense it's not. It's not
their fault that they're you know that they're mentally ill.
But so of course you want to have love and compassion,
especially when it's a family member. But that doesn't mean
you're obligated to let them drag you down. And it
also doesn't mean that you know, I mean, you have
to you have to protect yourself ultimately, and and they
they may not understand that, especially if there's narcissism involved.
They won't understand that they're not capable of feeling that
that empathy. And again it's not their fault, it's how
their brain is wired. But ultimately, you have to do
what you have to do.
Speaker 7: You have to do.
Speaker 4: You have to protect yourself, you have to protect you know,
in your case, you have to protect your daughter. You know, yes,
so uh so, so it's very very tricky. I I
I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 10: I'm not even sure how I would handle that if
I were in that situation. I mean, unfortunately, I you know,
I I have a good relationships with my family. I
didn't I had, I did have a step parent. I'll
keep it vague in case they not that I think
they are listening or care about anything that I do.
This particular individual I'm thinking of, But I did have
a step parent growing up who exhibited a lot of
strange behavior and and in some instances I think, uh
definitely was unreasonable to deal with shall we say, but
but but but that individual also was mentally ill. They
had had a multiple nervous breakdowns and so forth. So
I try to keep that in mind when I think about,
you know, certain interactions that I had with that person
when I look back as an adult or when I
was growing up, and I would think, well, that's kind
of messed up, you know, and I don't think I
deserve it, and I don't think I deserve the way
I was just spoken to. And you know, I think
I was being the mature one in the relationship, whereas
they're the adult. But you know, but but again, I
try to look back at that with well, I don't
know what was going on in their head and exactly,
and I'll probably never understand it. And it's not like
I have any contact with that person today. I don't
and haven't for decades, not because of any sort of
intentional separation.
Speaker 4: But because just they moved away, and I don't.
Speaker 10: You know, I'm one of those people who I don't
I'm not the guy who's going to reach out and say, hey,
we haven't talked in a long time, just seeing how
you're doing. Not because I don't care, but because I
just I'm just not the person who does that, you know.
So if they reached out to me, I would talk
to them.
Speaker 4: Certainly. I don't have any anger or resentment.
Speaker 7: But but well, you know, Matt, that's I love that
you said that, because even now, if certain boundaries were respected,
I would have you know, my door is still open.
It's it's you know, my one of my one of
my counselors said to me, uh, somebody that I you know,
you know I've moved and somebody from Washington State that
I used to see. She said something about, you know,
as we were working through how to have a relationship
or what what does it look like in a relationship
with a family member that's a narcissist, a parent, you know,
for instance, or borderline personality disorder, And one of the
things she said was, you know, you have to look
at yourself like your body or who you are is
like a castle, right, and you've got this moat around you,
so this body of water that circles us, right, and
then you have a drawbridge, and the drawbridge for access
to you is are those boundaries whatever you need for
yourself to feel safe emotionally and physically, because you know,
many of us I have been the subject of not
just extreme emotional abuse, I have been the subject of
extreme physical abuse. And so now do I fear physical
abuse from my eighty five year old mother today? No,
of course, not the emotional absolutely, do I physically you know,
when I was in the presence of my adoptive brother,
did I absolutely fear for my life physically? Yes, he
was off the chart, like just crazy and angry. I
was like, wow, I felt like I was, you know,
thirteen years old again. But there's access for relation ship
if these boundaries are kept, and if you do not
keep these boundaries, the drawbridges up and you do not
have access to me. So I have lowered my drawbridge
many times and said, hey, here is how you have
access to a relationship with me. And they are constantly violated. Yeah,
and so like even this year, Matt I got a
Christmas card and I kind of joke. I'm like, gosh, Mom,
could you just leave it to Hallmark? Just leave the
sentiment to Hallmark. We do not need to add this
is the second year in a row nastiness, right, And
I keep thinking of like, but I wrote Spirit of
Christmas for you. Oh, I'm like, okay, let's move on.
And but yeah, I think that that's you know, where
I land on it. You know, I know and I
respect some of my friends who have like zero we
have no contact with Okay, you know, we all have
to do what we need to do to feel safe
for ourselves and for the loved ones around us that
you know, whether they you know, my kids are grown
and gone, but I'm still a mom. Yeah, I'm still
very protective of and they can fight their own battles.
But you know, I think all of us who have kids,
you know, it doesn't matter if they're thirty plus. Touched
my kid and you're going to see a.
Speaker 4: Whole different person, right of course. Of course?
Speaker 13: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Absolutely.
Speaker 10: Do you hear as you've released because you've released how
many albums do you have at this point? You've released
a few, right, So I have.
Speaker 7: Only released the debut, but I've got you know them
in Q.
Speaker 4: Oh okay, gotcha?
Speaker 10: Yeah, So since the debut and by the way, one
of them was considered for a Grammy nomination.
Speaker 4: Is that correct?
Speaker 7: The or a Grammy consideration. So the Nancy it's it's
self titled, so it's Nancy Manet and it's my debut album,
the one that I came in and chatted with you
about those couple of times that did receive Grammy consideration
this year and for Best Rock Album and Best Engineering
Non Classical, And I would be I would not be
honest with you, Matt if I wasn't surprised, and you know,
my producer laughs, he goes, you shouldn't be so surprised, Aunty.
It was good stuff, and I was like, yeah, but
you know, I mean, I'm in a sea of genius
and I've just and I love artists, and I'm cheerleading
all of us on, you know, in our art and
to receive that so early on in releasing what I'm writing, right,
I'm not early on in my musical performance or even career.
I've been playing for years, you know, you and I've talked.
I mean, that was part of that's part of my story.
I played, you know, under the threat of vice lens
in my home growing up, after my dad died, I
could not play piano when anyone was home. It was
never going to happen. And then I picked up a small,
little acoustic guitar from a garage sale for five bucks
with the pitch pipe and learned to play guitar at
two in the morning, you know, as a teenager having
to go to school at seven am. I think I
slept through my first three periods every day my junior
and senior year of high school because I was up
playing guitar and so I'm not new to the world
of music, but I'm new to writing and releasing my
own music, and so it was an extraordinary honor and
just to be considered with a group of amazing artists.
Speaker 4: So no, that's remarkable. Do you hear from people who
identify with the themes of your songs?
Speaker 7: Yes? In fact, I hear from women on about the
song that I wrote called Wanted and how I got
free of an abusive relationship and I really just kind
of hit it straight on. And I hear from a
lot of men about don't let her ruin you. Yeah, crying,
thank you, Oh my gosh, how did you know? You
wrote a song about our life? And that means more
to me than anything, you know, because that's what it's for.
It's to relate and hopefully other people identify and find
their own path right to what makes them whole, right
and the freedom within that. Yeah. I also heard from
actually belonged to a group called Serendipity Doudan. It's a
Mama Bears group for uh mamas that are the parents
of lgbt q i A children and even adult children,
and and they were very excited about the song My Expansion,
which was about my daughter coming out as queer and
changing me early in her in her life.
Speaker 10: So yeah, that's probably relatable for for so many people.
So that makes sense. I'm not surprised that you've heard
from people about that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was when you say that changed to you?
How did did it?
Speaker 10: Did it just kind of give you a different perspective
on uh, because you'll often hear people say, you know,
I had certain ideas about what, you know, what it
was like to be lgbt Q plus or whatever, and
then and then a family member comes out and it
and you kind of go, I think for a lot
this is my perception is I think for a lot
of people it.
Speaker 4: Kind of.
Speaker 10: I'm thinking, I mean, we don't we don't really get
into politics on this iteration of the show, but I'm
thinking of a couple of so I'll be a little
bit vague, but there are a couple of well known,
very conservative politicians who have at various points come out
as being pro marriage equality because they had children who
were gay and it so on that one issue they
departed from their conservatism because having a family member who's
gay kind of makes you go, oh, okay, so real
human beings can be this way, and I love this person.
And because I love this person and they are this way,
I guess being this way is okay, you know, for
lack of a better way of putting it. So, I mean,
I'm curious how it changed you when your daughter came out.
Speaker 7: So so I love what you just everything you just said, Matt,
even that this is not a political show, right, I'm
I'm not a for I got. I would describe myself
as I am not a political activist. I look at
myself and what I mean by that, I mean, while
I have my belief systems, and I absolutely support my
friends like Jen right absolutely stand there for your healthcare rights.
But I'm a writer and I'm a bridge builder, and
you know, we all have our places. What I stand
next to Jen for her fight, you bet you you know.
But there's a different level of I think when people
like that's their purpose in life is that they are
on the front lines in some of these fights. For me,
I'm I if anything that I write just get people
to think, being able to have conversations, whether or not
we one hundred percent agree with each other, That's not
what this is about We were never even I mean,
humans were never intended to one hundred percent agree. We
were intended to figure things out and come to solution
that work. Right. So if whatever I write can create
a people that maybe are thinking about it, but then
oh okay, well let's have a discussion about these topics
like this one. We don't have to make it extremely political,
even though it can divide us politically.
Speaker 10: Right.
Speaker 7: But I was raised very conservative, very rigid, right, wrong,
black white. I mean it was intense and very I
mean rigid, religious conservative, And so I entered the world
as an adult with this. That's all I knew was
that was the way. There's one and it's this one, right,
And then I have this beautiful baby girl who just
from the day of birth, she just wrote her own way.
I mean it was like and as she got older,
I watched other friends who were rigid and conservative and
ultra I call it like a damaging religion, religious religiosity right, uh,
where it's an US versus them and there's very little inclusivity.
And whether listeners or you know, anybody that I talked
to lean towards religion at all, I would say the
overarching message in healthy religions.
Speaker 4: Is love, right, Yeah, that's.
Speaker 7: Love one another.
Speaker 10: I think, I think, uh, I think Jesus might have
even said something about that.
Speaker 4: Possibly correct, he might have. I don't know, perhaps so.
Speaker 7: And so here is this young girl five years old,
and she's already challenging me on my belief systems. And
I'm watching friends who had the same upbringing, conservative, rigid
religious ultra, you know, the unhealthy sides of religion, and
they're losing their kids, and the kids are getting older
and kids are starting to rebel. And I thought, you know,
Hannah really challenged just from the time she was little.
Why why why? Why why do you think that way?
Because you know, and then as parents, because that's what
I was taught, therefore we teach that to you. And
I was like, yeah, I don't know if I like
that answer, right, And then we also are the famous
line of parents because I said.
Speaker 4: So, why well, well, uh?
Speaker 7: And I taught her early on, I said, look, if
you disagree with me, we have just a few ground rules,
and you can always come and talk to me about
a decision I made, or even a thought process. It's
you know, a decision based upon a thinking way of thinking.
You can come and talk to me about it. And
if you present your case respectfully, articulately, with no with
no temper tantrum, I promise you, excuse me, I promise
you I will consider and change my mind. If I
said notice something, I will I will absolutely consider and
change it to yes. However, if you come and screaming,
the answer is a hard no, and you will not
even we will not even talk.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 7: So I'm serious, Matt five years old on. I think
I raised the greatest debater of all times.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 7: And so so when she challenged, let's go bring that
back to a circle. So when she challenged me, why mom?
As she got older and she came out as queer,
I was like, oh, okay, And I had already been
evolving and changing, and I've been asking questions of like
and I'd have to be quiet if I was, you know,
in a group of people who did not accept LGBTQ
I a right. I actually had to be quiet because
if I stood up for my daughter or that community
at the time, I was subject to judgment and right.
And so that took a long time for me to
really kind of walk through. And I watched and then
had continual conversations with my daughter, and I grew I
just that's you know. So No, I didn't actually have
a really open understanding of how parents could change their
belief systems until my daughter really just kept asking why.
And then I thought, well, because that's the way it
was at my family table growing up. So let me
think about do I believe what they taught?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 7: Maybe I don't. What other belief systems are out there?
And what are other you know, sides of the political
spectrum even saying, let me listen to what they have
to say. Yeah, And all of a sudden, I entered
a very different phase of my life. And I call
it balanced, I suppose now. Of course I lean way.
Of course I lean more liberal than I ever did.
Do I have some conservative thought processes? Still? Sure, you know,
born and raised in it, you you have thoughts and ideas.
But I look at it very differently today, and and
I'm curious to see how any side of the political
spectrum is going to help solve what we're facing in
our country and as on a world stage, we have
to solve it. People are starving, people need medical care,
people need housing, three basic needs. And I don't I
don't think it's just because you know, there are varying
degrees of how people can earn and how people can
make a living. And I don't think that if you
can't make a living the way I do, you shouldn't
have a roof over your head. Do I have the answers?
I don't. But you know, bring this back full circle. This,
you know, young adult still has very challenging conversations. And
one of the conversations we had that led me into
writing Set Us Free was, Mom, we don't want what
you built. Well, I don't understand what that means. Look
at your life, mom, because I've been in business my
whole life for myself. Yeah, since you've spent your whole
life grinding, grind, grind, grind, and you've built, and you've
built and you've built. You know, we always upgrade our
homes and then we buy investment homes or we have
investment you know, retirement. Since she said, we don't want that.
We want to live in community, We want to take
care of each other. We don't want to be what
you guys have built. I don't know if you understand that.
It's like, oh, and I tell you, Matt, it actually
caused me to think about what I build and even
present day, Like as early as this setis Free song
was written last year. It's like, huh, I could go
about life that's without the grind. I don't have to grind, grind,
grind rite. Whoa. So here's this thirty two year old,
you know, beautiful human, still challenging her mom, you know.
And then and then you know, I don't know if
I told you this when I saw you last, but
I got hit really hard by Hurricane Beryl, and I
had to come home from tour and really adjust the
latter half of my last year. And I sat my
kids down and I said, how do you feel about
me downsizing and moving and making life a lot simpler?
And they're like, we're all for it.
Speaker 9: Mom.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, because because you know, I would like to
be to be on the road for months on end
and not have to worry about the thing that you know,
we all want to hang on to, and and for me,
it was just too much. And I thought, but that's
a conversation with my kid that because I'm open to
thinking about things differently, well, I agree with everything. No,
do I even understand it. She's discussed economics with me,
and it's gone over my head. In fact, i've not
because I economics go over my head.
Speaker 14: Her economics go over my head, right right, I understand
current economics macro and micro, you know, but as she
described how economics could could change, I actually did say
to her, I said, okay, you know when we had
the you know, the gay and queer conversation early on
in life, and I asked you lots of questions, I said,
now I want to even ask you more because this
is like speaking Greek to me.
Speaker 7: You can think about how we go about our economy
totally different, and people can take care of each other
in a way that's sustainable. My mind was just blown
when we initially started having those conversations. So I've made
her promise. I said, you know, as many times as
I ask you questions, please stay patient. Right. You know,
we have these roadmaps in our brain, right. I think
anybody that has done any kind of therapy we get
you know, this even is how we see the world.
We have a roadmap. And if we were raised to
see the roadmap in a certain way, you know, especially
about how economy is built or world power is built,
and it's a very difficult mindset to change. Yes, but
it's possible to rewrite those roadmaps if we slow down
and listen and are open to having these conversations and bosh,
if I can create those in the music that I
write and then also bring hope. I think most of
what I write, if not all, of what I write,
ultimately ends with some type of hope statement within it.
Speaker 10: Yes, yes, I have noticed that. Absolutely, Absolutely, Nancy, we're
gonna have to start. The time goes so quickly, we're
gonna have to start to wrap up. Unfortunately, I wish,
I wish we had more time. It's it's always such
a great conversation with you, and I think, if you
don't mind, I'm going to close the segment with because
we were talking about this song my expansion. I think
that would be I think that would be a great
way to close. And of course we opened with the
new single set us Free and absolutely, and we should
remind people too before you go where they should go
online to keep up with everything that you're doing.
Speaker 4: And of course Matt, that's very kind of course.
Speaker 7: Yes, So please find me on social media. I am
very active on Facebook. So if you find Nancy MiNet,
m a n e T. I have a verified check mark.
You'll see me sitting at a piano. Please follow, Please
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Just let me know that you you know, heard me here.
And then my website as well. We're in the process
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but in the next couple of weeks, a refreshed websitees
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things like that. So that's at Nancymanet dot com. I'm
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about it. It's because my age my age group was
heavily invested in Facebook. Yes, so I try to cross
post and do all that. And then you know, also
I'm uploading things to YouTube. You know, I'm not a
I'm not a millennial or a gen z. So we're
we're I'm figuring out that other side of communications, you know,
every day.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I just got to be as many as
many places as possible.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 10: Absolutely, I've been thinking about doing more with TikTok. No
I'm kidding, obviously, it's about it's about to go dark.
For anyone who doesn't know you want to know.
Speaker 7: It's funny, Matt is. I tried so hard to share
on the TikTok, but every single time I upload stuff
that's not your music, you can't. I'm like, I even
had to send information into their legal department all that
you're not that's not yours. I'm like, I'm the copyright owner.
Please let me, please let me upload.
Speaker 4: My music exactly I have.
Speaker 7: It's like, really, yeah, unused TikTok account. But yes, that
is actually funny, Matt. Yeah, well or not, I mean,
however we want to see it.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I know, I actually feel badly for a lot
of people, but yeah, but uh no, it'll be it'll
be interesting to see what happens next with that.
Speaker 4: But Nancy Manet, thank you so much. Always such a
pleasure to have you on.
Speaker 10: I always enjoy the discussion, and thank you absolutely and
congratulations on everything. And uh, we'll let you go, and
we'll close out, uh with this song my expansion. And
then for those of you listening live on Saturday, Quincy
Raymond is coming up next. He's going to play live
in studio for us.
Speaker 4: But we'll let you go. Nancy, thank you again so much.
Speaker 7: Yes, Thank you Matt, and much love to Jen.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, thank you you both. Okay, thank you, bye bye,
all right, the great Nancy Manet. And here it is.
This is called my expansion. This is a this is
a really good song.
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