Speaker 1: Step into a journey where every step is packed with purpose, insight,
Speaker 1: and empowerment. This is Walk with Wisdom with your host,
Speaker 1: Genevieve Wisdom. Walk with Wisdom is a dynamic podcast series
Speaker 1: designed for men and women forty and over who are
Speaker 1: ready to embrace their best years. Yet life at this
Speaker 1: stage isn't about slowing down, It's about leveling up. Each
Speaker 1: episode is a walkthrough guide to mastering life's transitions, rediscovering passions,
Speaker 1: and thriving physically, mentally and emotionally. We bring you expert advice,
Speaker 1: real life stories, and actionable strategies to help you strive
Speaker 1: confidently into a future of vitality and fulfillment. So now
Speaker 1: please welcome the host of Walk with Wisdom, Genevieve Wisdom.
Speaker 2: Hi everyone, Genevieve Wisdom and welcome to Walk with Wisdom,
Speaker 2: a lifestyle show on youthful aging, which is looking great
Speaker 2: and feeling amazing as you age and doing it with
Speaker 2: perseverance and a zest and zeal for life.
Speaker 3: What any age.
Speaker 2: We just to let you know before we get started,
Speaker 2: thank you all of our viewers. We actually have viewers
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Speaker 2: what is the show about today? You may have remembered
Speaker 2: when we started this walk five weeks ago? Can you
Speaker 2: imagine time flies? I mentioned on the first show, I
Speaker 2: have the amazing Megan introducing me and it was interview
Speaker 2: the interviewer, and I mentioned that I do that every
Speaker 2: few weeks so you can get to know who I am.
Speaker 3: I'm new to most of you.
Speaker 2: I am doing an interview the interviewer section today and
Speaker 2: the amazing mister Bruce Pollock has agreed to come back.
Speaker 3: If we can bring up Bruce.
Speaker 4: Please, Hey, Genevieve, how are you doing today?
Speaker 3: I'm doing great? Thank you? How are you?
Speaker 4: I'm well. I can't wait to get.
Speaker 2: Started, fantastic. I'm just going to talk to our audience
Speaker 2: a little bit more.
Speaker 3: Bruce.
Speaker 2: We've actually had I've had some emails people really enjoying
Speaker 2: the rapport that you and I have had and everyone.
Speaker 2: Bruce has known me for some time now, Bruce, how
Speaker 2: long have we.
Speaker 3: Known each other?
Speaker 4: I was trying to figure it out about fifteen years.
Speaker 2: I think now, yeah, fifteen, We're gonna stick with fifteen.
Speaker 4: It could be more, but no, I don't want to
Speaker 4: talk about it.
Speaker 3: Exactly about fifteen years now.
Speaker 2: And so because Bruce has given us this amazing walk
Speaker 2: through menopause menopause, and if you haven't seen those shows,
Speaker 2: please go back and check them out on any of
Speaker 2: the platforms that you use. We're on all the major platforms.
Speaker 2: A lot of people have said, Bruce that a rapport
Speaker 2: is great, So thank you for coming to help with
Speaker 2: that rapport and let the audience get to know their host,
Speaker 2: Genevieve Wisdom a little bit better within the context of
Speaker 2: menopause and menopause, well menopause for me, So Bruce, take
Speaker 2: it away.
Speaker 5: Why you're saying, I've known you throughout fifteen years now, Jen,
Speaker 5: And when you see Jen on the camera, she's this vibrant, beautiful, exciting,
Speaker 5: energetic woman and this has been Genevieve through the whole
Speaker 5: time I've known her. Well, you don't see is you
Speaker 5: don't see what happens when the symptoms kick in, the
Speaker 5: symptoms menopause, And I thought really just started off with
Speaker 5: so that you understood why Genevieve is so interested in
Speaker 5: this subject and why she's so into helping people. Is
Speaker 5: I thought we could just start with the symptoms that
Speaker 5: you're feeling, because I've known Genevieve before she moved into menopause,
Speaker 5: and now that i've known her through this journey. If
Speaker 5: you would, I'd be really interested to just hear what
Speaker 5: you've been going through on a physical and emotional level.
Speaker 2: Wow, I have tears, and I didn't know I would
Speaker 2: have tears. But remember also, audience. When I first started this,
Speaker 2: I said, you're going to get to see the authentic
Speaker 2: me because we've lived in a world of we're told
Speaker 2: that things are real, and you and I both know
Speaker 2: they ain't real. So you're seeing the real me. It's
Speaker 2: your sister around the corner. It's your friend, like how
Speaker 2: Bruce and I have become friend and really more family.
Speaker 2: And that's what you're getting to see in Bruce just
Speaker 2: touched an amazing point already. So what you don't see
Speaker 2: for me is the struggle that I have had in
Speaker 2: this new and exciting phase of life. When my hormone stopped.
Speaker 2: Life stopped, and I didn't really know what.
Speaker 3: Was going on. And remember we.
Speaker 2: Also talked about my coming from a fashion background. Remember
Speaker 2: I was walking down the street five eight and ten pounds.
Speaker 3: Oh you should model.
Speaker 2: That's another story for another show, Bruce, because you know,
Speaker 2: Bruce knows a little bit about that journey because you
Speaker 2: met me when I was still in my forties and
Speaker 2: still modeling.
Speaker 3: Actually, I have a couple of pictures.
Speaker 2: Bruce thought it might be a good idea to just
Speaker 2: show those of you were getting to know Genevieve wisdom
Speaker 2: and walk with wisdom and this walk we're going on,
Speaker 2: what the omi was like, Dan, could you please put
Speaker 2: up like one of the black and whites when I
Speaker 2: was in my thirties. We're gonna pop up a picture
Speaker 2: here so you can see. So I went from that
Speaker 2: in my thirties, in my modeling days.
Speaker 3: We may perfect. Yeah, so I was thirties.
Speaker 2: This was when I was doing contacts and makeup because
Speaker 2: back in the day when I modeled, by the time
Speaker 2: you hit thirties you were pretty much washed up. So
Speaker 2: that's one of my looks. You can see, vibrant.
Speaker 3: And energetic, which I try to exude now.
Speaker 2: But a lot has changed. My body has changed, my
Speaker 2: emotions have changed.
Speaker 3: The way I relate.
Speaker 2: To absolutely every part of life has changed. And as
Speaker 2: Bruce leads me through these questions, you'll really get to
Speaker 2: go a little bit deeper about what some women go
Speaker 2: through in Menopausema, No, it's not everyone. There are different phases,
Speaker 2: And Bruce I came up with a great idea that
Speaker 2: we're going to talk about at the end of the questions,
Speaker 2: to tell men and women about what their symptoms might
Speaker 2: be doing.
Speaker 3: And I think you have.
Speaker 2: Some insights yourself, having being a coach and consultant about
Speaker 2: you know, what you've seen me go through and possibly
Speaker 2: how my other extreme it is.
Speaker 5: So can you so little detail about about the physical
Speaker 5: aspects of menopause for you and the emotional side of it?
Speaker 3: Absolutely so physical aspect.
Speaker 2: A lot of my friends who knew me, by the way,
Speaker 2: my nickname was bat Barbie. I didn't give that to myself,
Speaker 2: you know, but that was the nickname that I got.
Speaker 2: And imagine a Barbie doll. That was me my whole life,
Speaker 2: not that anymore. And let's just be very clear. I
Speaker 2: love myself and that's what I want all you, especially
Speaker 2: the girls. I can talk to you on a woman
Speaker 2: to women's sister to sister level. No matter what, love yourself.
Speaker 2: So I love myself. So it's not about body size.
Speaker 2: It's just about the drastic change that happens. And when
Speaker 2: it's not you and it's not the body that you
Speaker 2: had and the body you're in, it does some.
Speaker 3: Things to you, both on a physical.
Speaker 2: Level, which Bruce will help me talk about, but certainly
Speaker 2: an emotional levels. So body size changed drastically. And remember everyone,
Speaker 2: when we talk about youthful aging, it's beauty from the
Speaker 2: outside inn because this is how we see each other.
Speaker 3: We experience each other by what we see.
Speaker 2: First, you know, yeah, the heart, absolutely, you know, the
Speaker 2: heart is what really comes. But when we see each other,
Speaker 2: we see what we look like. And so people have
Speaker 2: looked at me and go, Genevieve, was what the fun
Speaker 2: happened to you? But have you heard about metopos.
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 2: And so and so I've changed drastic to clean body size,
Speaker 2: and that means a lot of water weight, Bruce, which
Speaker 2: is you know, some of the things that happen. And
Speaker 2: we'll talk a little bit more specific, but with that
Speaker 2: hormonal cascade that we talk about, your endogenous hormones, which
Speaker 2: means the hormones that your body makes naturally as a woman.
Speaker 2: They stop upon cessation of mensis, and then some people
Speaker 2: decide to take exogenous hormones. I'll tell you I was
Speaker 2: never going to be one of those girls, Bruce. I
Speaker 2: was never gonna take anything. I was just going to
Speaker 2: skatee through this until I couldn't sleep. The weight, the
Speaker 2: mental fatigue, all these I have experienced just about all
Speaker 2: the symptoms and at a very high level. And so
Speaker 2: I really for me see the body weight because imagine
Speaker 2: coming from modeling and then what my wardrobe looks like
Speaker 2: right now. If I couldn't lie to myself about that,
Speaker 2: it really was happening. Secondly, for me, a massive problem
Speaker 2: is really sleep. And Bruce and digestion, you know, and
Speaker 2: with digestion.
Speaker 3: Girls and guys. Bruce, we talked about gut and the myriad.
Speaker 2: Of things that happens with gut, and it's really IBS
Speaker 2: that I have experienced. And Bruce, I know you can
Speaker 2: add a little about IBIS because IBIS.
Speaker 3: Isn't just one or the other.
Speaker 2: It isn't just constipation or diarrhea, is it.
Speaker 3: It could be all kinds of different.
Speaker 5: I want to hear your yeah in fact often it's
Speaker 5: back and forth. One when one day you'll be constpaid,
Speaker 5: the next day you have diarrhea. It's also inflammation. It's
Speaker 5: mostly inflammation, but the side effect is tramping, diarrhea, constipation,
Speaker 5: one or the other or both. Because I often see it,
Speaker 5: I say it may be a conspyco sometimes but sometimes
Speaker 5: have the runs, and it's the same problem. It's just
Speaker 5: the opposite spectrum of the expression of the problem.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, And then what has happened with me more often?
Speaker 2: And Bruce, I think we talked about this and ladies.
Speaker 3: Specific of the ladies.
Speaker 2: We're talking to the ladies right now because many of
Speaker 2: you will relate to what I am going through. And
Speaker 2: we'll talk about you ladies that are prior perimenopause, because
Speaker 2: there are things that you can do a lot of
Speaker 2: what we're doing now you can do previous and that
Speaker 2: may lessen your symptoms when you get here. But with
Speaker 2: a lot of girls, Bruce, when we've talked about this
Speaker 2: is women are more constipated in general.
Speaker 3: Do you find that in your years of practice?
Speaker 5: Like me, I find that even non med apusal women.
Speaker 5: The doctors nowadays are saying, oh, bewel movement. Every three
Speaker 5: to five days is normal, and that may be normal,
Speaker 5: but it's not healthy. Excuse me, it's not healthy. You're constipated.
Speaker 5: You need to be going to watch them every day,
Speaker 5: or those talks sweep through your colon causing other problems.
Speaker 5: So yeah, generally, it's actually a very normal problem for women.
Speaker 3: Absolutely.
Speaker 2: And it's funny, ladies that Bruce said three to five days,
Speaker 2: because I remember when I was modeling that was normal
Speaker 2: for me and all the girls, three to five days.
Speaker 2: And I remember once in my twenties, doctor said to me,
Speaker 2: you know, how often do you go to bathroom? And
Speaker 2: I go, I don't know, once or twice a week.
Speaker 2: He goes, that's it. So it's funny. Back then he
Speaker 2: was really alarmed. But seemingly that has continued where now
Speaker 2: you know, we're kind of hearing that you.
Speaker 3: Know, it's normal.
Speaker 2: But again, just because something happens a lot doesn't necessarily
Speaker 2: mean it's normal.
Speaker 3: So remember when.
Speaker 2: We started, I told my audience that we were going
Speaker 2: to talk about gut and really elimination and how pulling
Speaker 2: makes you beautiful.
Speaker 3: Just thought I throw that in there.
Speaker 2: So again, going back to some of the drastic symptoms
Speaker 2: for me, the massive weight game, which is overt and
Speaker 2: obvious to everybody, and I.
Speaker 3: Know, and the lack of sleep, and then.
Speaker 2: There are other symptoms as well, Bruce, But I'm sure
Speaker 2: you have some other questions that maybe you want to
Speaker 2: lead me.
Speaker 5: Down this way just before before we leave this one totally. Yes,
Speaker 5: how do you feel once you finished? So we do
Speaker 5: an hour of this or you do an hour of
Speaker 5: this and you you're putting out all your energy, You're
Speaker 5: you're you're, you're keeping it light and energetic.
Speaker 4: How do you feel after the podcast?
Speaker 3: Wow? And there's a trigger again.
Speaker 2: And those of you who know me and have known
Speaker 2: me before this stage in life, know that you know
Speaker 2: some ladies I love my girlfriends and they'll just cry.
Speaker 3: They'll see a beautiful flower, they'll start crying. That's not me.
Speaker 2: I'd rather draw my my ship. And you guys know
Speaker 2: what that means. I'm hinting at where I'm from.
Speaker 3: But for me to be teery, that's unique.
Speaker 2: But one of the shows, when I finished everyone, I
Speaker 2: literally crawled to bed. I rolled out of the chair.
Speaker 2: I have a filming room. I try to set up
Speaker 2: a nice background to make it feel like we're going
Speaker 2: on a walk. I really tried to make it inviting
Speaker 2: for you, my guests, again, because I care about you
Speaker 2: taking your time to come and hear this important talk
Speaker 2: about life. Forty and over and then we started with menopause. Menopause,
Speaker 2: so I have a filming room. I literally Bruce rolled
Speaker 2: out of the chair and crawled to bed, and so
Speaker 2: thank you for asking. This is it for me? This
Speaker 2: is it for me sometimes for one week and the
Speaker 2: energy levels is just in the tank.
Speaker 3: That's it. That's all I've got.
Speaker 2: And so I know a lot of women in our
Speaker 2: practices have come to us about that.
Speaker 3: Bruce, after the short.
Speaker 2: Break, you and I can come back and maybe you
Speaker 2: can tell me some of the experiences you've had as well,
Speaker 2: because I love this rapport and everyone, as I talked
Speaker 2: about Walk with Wisdom, it's a journey. We go on
Speaker 2: it together. Bruce and I are going to have some
Speaker 2: great ideas at the end of the show, and we're
Speaker 2: going to take a short brink for sponsors. Hi, everyone,
Speaker 2: thank you for coming back. Genevieve Wisdom of Walk with Wisdom,
Speaker 2: and I have Bruce Pollock here. He is interviewing the
Speaker 2: interviewer today. There is Bruce's contact information if you wanted
Speaker 2: to reach him directly. Bruce Underscore Pollock at Yahoo dot
Speaker 2: ca a and of course with me. We love emails
Speaker 2: Wisdom at Walk with Wisdom dot ca and Bruce we
Speaker 2: left off on a really important question about my journey
Speaker 2: through menopause and what you and I have experienced with women,
Speaker 2: and it's the energy crisis.
Speaker 5: I really thought that was important because throughout my years
Speaker 5: of dealing with this, I've had women and they just
Speaker 5: they feel really bad because all I could do was
Speaker 5: cook dinner. I didn't have the energy to do dishes,
Speaker 5: and there's a real guilt that comes with that. And
Speaker 5: the guilt shouldn't be there. This is something that's out
Speaker 5: of your control. You don't have the energy, and I
Speaker 5: really believe that the negative emotion harms you as much
Speaker 5: as the menopause itself does. So this is what I
Speaker 5: love about Genevieve. I look beautiful, and she does. She's
Speaker 5: a beautiful woman.
Speaker 4: We all do.
Speaker 5: It doesn't matter what walk of life we're in. But
Speaker 5: as soon as we start feeling guilty negative all those
Speaker 5: things about ourselves or lack of energy or the way
Speaker 5: we feel, that affects us on a physical level, and
Speaker 5: we're already being affected on physical levels, so we don't
Speaker 5: need to add to it. So that was why I
Speaker 5: forced Genevieve into talking about her energy levels, just so
Speaker 5: that everybody realizes one, it's normal, and two is like,
Speaker 5: don't worry about it. That's just I mean, we can
Speaker 5: build health from there, but don't feel guilty about it.
Speaker 5: Accept it as just part of the journey.
Speaker 2: If you would, absolutely, absolutely thank you Bruce for having us,
Speaker 2: especially girls, talk about the energy aspect because we all
Speaker 2: do diverse jobs and when we're on able to do
Speaker 2: it and take care of the family. I know for
Speaker 2: women nurturers that can cause a guilt and ladies, no
Speaker 2: guilt here, it's normal. And Lilis and I have some ideas.
Speaker 2: When we get further in, please go ahead.
Speaker 5: Okay, so we've talked about your symptoms. Tell me where
Speaker 5: they expected. Is this what you're expecting when you're walking
Speaker 5: to metapause or did you get hit with a baseball bat?
Speaker 3: Heaven?
Speaker 2: No, I didn't expect this, and I talked to girls
Speaker 2: who are in my age group going through it, and
Speaker 2: we go.
Speaker 3: They didn't tell us. We didn't find out until we
Speaker 3: got here. But Bruce and everyone my.
Speaker 2: Audience by the way, thank you for your comments. Please
Speaker 2: go ahead and make comments. How I can relate to
Speaker 2: you more, of course, is when you send me an email,
Speaker 2: because you know we're here. We just have a certain
Speaker 2: amount of time. But I see your comments. I appreciate
Speaker 2: it talk to one another, and I can also share
Speaker 2: them with Bruce at the end of the show, and
Speaker 2: we can specifically answer some questions possible Bruce and another
Speaker 2: one of the podcasts, But certainly I didn't expect it,
Speaker 2: and my being in the nutraceutical industry, so ladies, again,
Speaker 2: my three main areas was beauty, which is why I
Speaker 2: don't throw it out, and it's foundational because we see
Speaker 2: each other. We have an experience of each other first
Speaker 2: through eyes, the wealth industry and the health industry, and
Speaker 2: wealth being I was an insurance broker, and I was
Speaker 2: in banking, and then most recently the largest area where
Speaker 2: I've learned a lot of skills and spent time helping
Speaker 2: others because Bruce and I love to help others is
Speaker 2: in the integrative health space. So it's more unwellness, but
Speaker 2: you know, we really have a lot of wisdom and
Speaker 2: knowledge on nutraceuticals, which is studied in research vitamins and
Speaker 2: minerals and things that will make a change in what
Speaker 2: we're going through with the symptoms that we're going through,
Speaker 2: and so my being in that field, Bruce, I.
Speaker 3: Thought I got this. I have done. I was cleansing.
Speaker 2: Cleansing was a thing I was vegan before vegan, the
Speaker 2: thing to cleanse.
Speaker 3: I was eating quinoa.
Speaker 2: I ate so much quinoa that I can eat quina
Speaker 2: right now because I ate so much quina for a
Speaker 2: decade that my middle name was Quenua. So I went
Speaker 2: through I thought I had such a solid base and boom,
Speaker 2: here I am.
Speaker 3: I'm going what the fun happened?
Speaker 4: Okay?
Speaker 5: My next part, I guess, is a two part question.
Speaker 5: What's been the hardest part for you number one? And
Speaker 5: what was most an unexpected part of the journey for
Speaker 5: you for number two?
Speaker 4: Two?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so the hardest part for me is not sleeping.
Speaker 3: We haven't really touched on sleep. But Bruce, I know
Speaker 3: you know, And.
Speaker 2: Ladies, because you're all going through it with me, and
Speaker 2: those of you who are going through it with me,
Speaker 2: please share that. And for right now, until we build
Speaker 2: some more groups for the Walk with Wisdom pod, as
Speaker 2: we get to know one another, send an email because
Speaker 2: we have ways to deal with this. But a massive
Speaker 2: part of this stage of life is sleeplessness, and really
Speaker 2: what happens is your cortisol. We talked about this and
Speaker 2: again if you haven't seen or two previous podcasts, Bruce
Speaker 2: and I talked about menopause. Menopause which is the male
Speaker 2: version andropause generally in general that happens about a decade
Speaker 2: after women experience menopause. For men, their hormones are going
Speaker 2: down to and they can have some drastic changes. So
Speaker 2: for me, sleep is non existence. And I have tried
Speaker 2: absolutely everything for sleep, absolutely everything, because I know what
Speaker 2: to do. I have the great Bruce Pollock in my corner,
Speaker 2: I have a team of medical experts and yeah, nothing.
Speaker 2: That was really really the most difficult part. And I
Speaker 2: guess the most unexpected part was that the two part question.
Speaker 4: Absolutely yeah, most expected.
Speaker 2: So I guess the most unexpected part for me was
Speaker 2: to realize that, Okay, I'll tell you a story. Remember
Speaker 2: when we started on this, I told you all that I.
Speaker 3: Speak in stories because it gives you a visual.
Speaker 2: So when I was much younger, toadterer and thinner, and
Speaker 2: that's my little tagline and I love it and I
Speaker 2: uphold it because I love me now. But there wasn't
Speaker 2: me then. By the way, is there another black.
Speaker 3: And white picture, please? Then that you can put up
Speaker 3: with me in my thirties.
Speaker 2: And so there's another one that we're going to pop
Speaker 2: up much younger, toadterer and thinner. I would coach women
Speaker 2: on weight loss, and I would coach women, not specifically
Speaker 2: just on fat loss. But you know, we talk about
Speaker 2: making sure that you healthy. You're gonna look for bone density.
Speaker 2: So we did dexa scans right birds to make sure
Speaker 2: that we're all the different parts of your body composition,
Speaker 2: because it's not just about body size. And again it's
Speaker 2: not about size, it's about how you're healthy in that size.
Speaker 3: And so I remember this one lady.
Speaker 2: Came in and she took one look at me up
Speaker 2: and down, and she looked at me like she knew
Speaker 2: I was a black barbie. And I'm going I didn't
Speaker 2: know what was going on. And she goes, have you
Speaker 2: ever gained weight? And I said, no, eat.
Speaker 3: Less and exercise more. He goes, it's coming for you,
Speaker 3: And it came for me.
Speaker 2: So the most unexpected part for me having I never
Speaker 2: had a weight issue. Have gained weight once, but it
Speaker 2: was something specific that happened. It was like an insult
Speaker 2: that happened in life that caused that. But apart from that,
Speaker 2: you know, tall and slim and sleek and lean and
Speaker 2: so I've never really had that boomerang. And when it's
Speaker 2: just come on like it has, it's just like, oh, Wow,
Speaker 2: need some help here, because Bruce and again about the
Speaker 2: weight and the hormonal aspect of it, that's really showing
Speaker 2: how out of balance my hormones are and we can't
Speaker 2: Nothing will change. The gut won't change, the sleep won't change,
Speaker 2: the brain health which we'll talk about later won't change,
Speaker 2: and the weight won't change if we don't get it
Speaker 2: all balanced. So it's not just about the weight. It's
Speaker 2: everything in conjunction. But for me that was really the
Speaker 2: most unexpected part because I could exercise. I can't exercise now,
Speaker 2: by the way, because everything hurts.
Speaker 3: Plus I have a lot of dizzy spells. So when
Speaker 3: people go go for.
Speaker 2: A walk around the block, I go, I can't walk, Sugar,
Speaker 2: you don't don't understand. And last thing about the most
Speaker 2: unexpected thing for me is giving up my heels. I
Speaker 2: loved a high heel. Bruce and I know a lot
Speaker 2: of you ladies. I used to hear the ladies say
Speaker 2: to me, oh, yeah, we can only wear flats, And
Speaker 2: I'm going, why why.
Speaker 3: Do you give up your heels? I will never give
Speaker 3: up my heels.
Speaker 2: Well, you don't want to see what I'm wearing on
Speaker 2: my feet, but it's flat and comfortable because estrogen and
Speaker 2: of course all the hormones working in balance. They have
Speaker 2: to be in homeostasis, which is in balance, affect different
Speaker 2: things like your ligaments, like your bones, and so a
Speaker 2: lot of drop foot happens in menopause, a lot of
Speaker 2: flat footedness, a lot of pain between the ligaments, joints, tendons,
Speaker 2: all of that because now we're not making our hormones
Speaker 2: indogenously and the body is going where is it? There's
Speaker 2: a panic, and then we have these symptoms that Bruce
Speaker 2: and I are gonna come up with some protocols later on.
Speaker 4: So I'm curious about this.
Speaker 5: I've had many ladies come at me say, you know,
Speaker 5: metoposit feels like I'm losing myself. Have you ever looked
Speaker 5: in the mirror and said, who's this person staring back
Speaker 5: at me? Because I get that a lot these poor ladies.
Speaker 5: They say, I don't even recognize the person in the
Speaker 5: mirror anymore. Can you explain that to me one hundred percent?
Speaker 3: And I'll tell you another story.
Speaker 2: I was walking down the street and you know, we
Speaker 2: walk down the street and there's a reflection in the
Speaker 2: glass at a storefront.
Speaker 3: Bruce and ladies.
Speaker 2: As walking down the street and I'm going, oh, there's
Speaker 2: another lady who looks like she's from where I'm from.
Speaker 3: So I live in a phenomenal city.
Speaker 2: Phenomenal We love one another here, and that's what I
Speaker 2: love about where I live in Vancouver. For the most part,
Speaker 2: there is this love and respect for one another, no
Speaker 2: matter color, creed, YadA, YadA, YadA. So I just want
Speaker 2: to say that I love where I am. And my
Speaker 2: mom came here in nineteen seventy four and brought us
Speaker 2: kids up, so really really love it here.
Speaker 3: So I'm walking and.
Speaker 2: I look and I thought, oh, there looks like someone
Speaker 2: from where I'm from, you know, kind of looks.
Speaker 3: Like my mom. And I realized it was me.
Speaker 2: That woman wasn't following me, that was me. And I'm going, ah,
Speaker 2: what happened? And so I know what that's like. And again, ladies,
Speaker 2: this is not about self hatred, about us gaining weight.
Speaker 3: That's not the issue.
Speaker 2: It's about now. This person that's looking back at you
Speaker 2: is simply not you. And some of us it's in wait.
Speaker 2: Some of us it's in our skin. Some of us
Speaker 2: it's the headaches and the dizziness. And you know, you
Speaker 2: get up in the morning and you're trying to brush
Speaker 2: your teeth. I've done that, and you're going I'm going
Speaker 2: to fall into the sink. And then, of course we
Speaker 2: will talk about the emotions, but a hundred percent looking
Speaker 2: at ourselves and thinking, oh wow, we're and it can
Speaker 2: happen suddenly. It actually happened quite fast for me because
Speaker 2: I didn't actually go through a perimenopause stage that was avert,
Speaker 2: and perimenopause that subvert means that you'll have women will
Speaker 2: have sporadic mencies.
Speaker 3: I didn't do that. It was done and done just.
Speaker 2: All the way through, like clockwork, and then I was done,
Speaker 2: and then everything changed in an instant, and so I
Speaker 2: now concur and I have the same thing Bruce in
Speaker 2: my private practice with women, coaching and counseling and helping
Speaker 2: them be compliant with their medical professionals if they're on
Speaker 2: hormone therapies, or if they're on nutraceutical therapies or both.
Speaker 2: You and I are very well versed in that, and
Speaker 2: a lot of ladies have told me that.
Speaker 3: And now it's me, Bruce.
Speaker 2: I'm not loving it, but you know what, I like
Speaker 2: where I am and I'm content and this is just
Speaker 2: one of those things in life.
Speaker 3: Walk with wisdom and we go through this journey.
Speaker 5: Okay, Well, let's talk about spontaneous combustion also called hot flashes.
Speaker 5: I've seen it happen where the lady in front of
Speaker 5: me just sweat starts pouring off of her and it's
Speaker 5: just totally out of control. Do you have a secret weapon?
Speaker 5: What do you do to cool yourself down when this
Speaker 5: is happening?
Speaker 3: Huh?
Speaker 4: Okay, no secret weapon. Moving along, Let's just say.
Speaker 3: The neighbors might not wanted to see what I come
Speaker 3: outside in.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'll tell you another story. So based on where
Speaker 2: I live, my amazing husband is from. He's an ice
Speaker 2: hockey boy. So this is going to give a contrast
Speaker 2: the man who's played hockey his own life, grew up
Speaker 2: loving being out on the ice and or first win
Speaker 2: together when I was going through this time. It was
Speaker 2: minus eleven outside, which is unusual for us where we are,
Speaker 2: but it was a little cold snap.
Speaker 3: He had my winter.
Speaker 2: Jacket on, and you guys can tell that I'm from
Speaker 2: a hot island, hot island girl, so I had the
Speaker 2: warmest down. He had my winter jacket on because I'm tall,
Speaker 2: so you can fit in it. So he had it
Speaker 2: all pulled up. The heats were going, and then all
Speaker 2: on a sudden, the window goes down on my side.
Speaker 2: I turn off the heat and these big blue eyes
Speaker 2: turn around and look at me and go, what are
Speaker 2: you doing? It's minus eleven degrees outside, and I go,
Speaker 2: haven't you heard of a hot flash? And then I'm going, oh,
Speaker 2: my goodness, this is what a hot flash feels like.
Speaker 2: It was horrific, and so you know that's a little
Speaker 2: bit of a jest. But I have tried to do
Speaker 2: it with nutraceutical protocols to calm the fire within, and
Speaker 2: it does calment. So I mean, because I couldn't be here, Bruce,
Speaker 2: I would have had a hot flash like every five
Speaker 2: minutes before I started on taking a certain brand of
Speaker 2: nutraceuticals and I so we can come back and talk
Speaker 2: about you know some of the things that we can do.
Speaker 2: What we're gonna do right now is have a short
Speaker 2: break so that our sponsors can tell us all the
Speaker 2: good stuff that they have for us. Thank you all
Speaker 2: for watching, keep commenting, please come back. We're gonna talk
Speaker 2: more about menopause and menopause.
Speaker 3: As every day.
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Speaker 2: Thanks hi everyone, Welcome back to Walk with Wisdom. I'm
Speaker 2: host Genevieve Wisdom, and we have Bruce Pollock with us today.
Speaker 2: We are continuing to talk about menopause. Menopause because it
Speaker 2: is something that your host is going through right now.
Speaker 3: And along the line of us being authentic so you get.
Speaker 2: To know me, Bruce has agreed to come back and
Speaker 2: interview the interviewer, and so we're talking about all the
Speaker 2: different symptomology and how I go through it as a
Speaker 2: life coach, as someone having all the nutraceutical experiences, someone
Speaker 2: having a team of doctors and naturopathic doctors and colon
Speaker 2: hydrotherapists and ivy therapists and holistic nutritionists and homeopathic doctors
Speaker 2: around me, and yet it's struggle.
Speaker 3: And so we're here today.
Speaker 2: Bruce has come to help me to say to women
Speaker 2: specifically in this that it's okay. We don't give up.
Speaker 2: There are answers, and we keep doing things to make
Speaker 2: it better. So Bruce, you know, we start I started
Speaker 2: off or I left off talking about nutraceutical protocols.
Speaker 3: They help, They.
Speaker 2: Help tremendously, and so whatever your doctor tells you to
Speaker 2: do some of you might need to have hormone replacement
Speaker 2: bioidentical hormone replacement.
Speaker 3: At a certain time, do the research.
Speaker 2: If you have any questions, we come in Bruce and
Speaker 2: I if I can talk for us as coaches, so
Speaker 2: we come in in between where your medical professional may
Speaker 2: not have the time to really listen and go through
Speaker 2: the nitty gritty as to why you're on bioidentical progesterone
Speaker 2: or or why you're on this supplement to help you
Speaker 2: to get you to sleep at night. We have the
Speaker 2: time to do that because we're a coach and a
Speaker 2: consultant and counselor and we come in the middle and
Speaker 2: we have that time and we take that time. So
Speaker 2: you can contact me Wisdom at walk with Wisdom dot Ca,
Speaker 2: or if you want to talk to Bruce specifically, Bruce
Speaker 2: Underscore Pollack at Yahoo dot ca.
Speaker 3: So, Bruce, we're going to talk further, have another.
Speaker 4: One for me. I do.
Speaker 5: So we've talked about the physical symptoms and that kind
Speaker 5: of thing, but what about the impact on relationships. Have
Speaker 5: you noticed a shift in how you connect with your friends,
Speaker 5: your family, even your even your husband. Has there been
Speaker 5: a difference as things have shifted into the metopause stage?
Speaker 2: Oh lord, I'll tell you a story I used to
Speaker 2: hear and this is very transparent. Sorry, honey, he didn't
Speaker 2: know I was going to say.
Speaker 3: This on out there.
Speaker 2: But you know, I'm doing this podcast because so many people,
Speaker 2: over all the different industries I've been in, have asked
Speaker 2: me for my wisdom. Thank you for valuing what I've
Speaker 2: studied and experienced and put it together under this umbrella
Speaker 2: of life coaching. And then Bruce has come alongside me
Speaker 2: with his incredible plethora of accolades to help. We love
Speaker 2: to help, and we love to help primarily in the
Speaker 2: nutraceutical space, the integrative health and healing and wellness space.
Speaker 2: And so I didn't know I would be at this
Speaker 2: stage when I started this podcast. I had no idea.
Speaker 3: It just happened.
Speaker 2: And what I found, Bruce and you may have as
Speaker 2: well with your clients. Is they love to know that
Speaker 2: you know, you know, you go to someone who gets you.
Speaker 2: You don't want to go to someone that's I mean, okay,
Speaker 2: we look up to people and go maybe one day
Speaker 2: we want to be like so and so. But on
Speaker 2: the real aspect, to make real change in life, we
Speaker 2: like to go to people who know.
Speaker 1: And so.
Speaker 2: One of the things that had happened, and the story
Speaker 2: tying it back to my husband is I used to
Speaker 2: have women say to me that my husband hasn't seen
Speaker 2: me naked in years.
Speaker 3: I hide.
Speaker 2: Well, today the man opened the door without knocking. I'm
Speaker 2: telling you he got a little bit of spice from me.
Speaker 4: And so.
Speaker 2: All these different things happen to us during this time.
Speaker 2: And so rus can you just repeat the question and ladies,
Speaker 2: I'll say this. One of the things that happened to
Speaker 2: why if you see me using notes in the show,
Speaker 2: is I have memory labses and so because hormones affect
Speaker 2: the brain, Bruce, how much does it affect your brain
Speaker 2: and sleep and memory?
Speaker 3: So please forgive me for that I kind of lost
Speaker 3: the question.
Speaker 4: There, Yeah, no problem.
Speaker 5: So the question was about relationships, and you know there's
Speaker 5: been a shift in your connection with other people, with
Speaker 5: your friends, your family, your husband. That's that's what we're
Speaker 5: looking for, is your relationship and your connections with other people.
Speaker 5: They change since you've been going through the hormone the
Speaker 5: metopausal change journey.
Speaker 2: Absolutely well. And the reason why I start with the
Speaker 2: husband and told that story is for a lot of
Speaker 2: us girls, and Bruce, you know that or closest relationship
Speaker 2: is our spouse. So they're gonna get the goods, bad
Speaker 2: and the good with it. And so that's why I
Speaker 2: started there because of this change. And then sometimes he
Speaker 2: can't touch me because I'm so hot and the man
Speaker 2: is tactile he and he goes, well can I touch
Speaker 2: your finger? And and go absolutely, baby, touch my finger,
Speaker 2: but nowhere else because it's hot and there's water pouring,
Speaker 2: which you've seen, you know, Bruce, And so so that
Speaker 2: has changed. The good news is if you are in
Speaker 2: a love relationship, we can love more through it.
Speaker 3: And that's what I've found.
Speaker 2: And I'm very very grateful to have such an understanding
Speaker 2: man who listens. And so with relationships, we have to
Speaker 2: communicate to all those around us, like if we're starting
Speaker 2: to freak out, just like when I lost my memory lapse.
Speaker 2: Right now, I explain to you all what was happening.
Speaker 2: If we start to freak out, we have to just
Speaker 2: try with every ounce that we have and just explain. Listen,
Speaker 2: right now, I'm going through some things. If I lash
Speaker 2: out on you and I don't normally do, or if
Speaker 2: I start crying and I don't normally do, I'm just
Speaker 2: going through some things.
Speaker 3: Just bear with me.
Speaker 2: I'm working with it, and Bruce and Jennevie has some
Speaker 2: protocols that will talk about it.
Speaker 5: Keep in mind that as important as to communicate with
Speaker 5: your husband or the partner in your life, men do
Speaker 5: think differently than women. And the way I sort of
Speaker 5: try to express this which isn't hundredercent accurate, So no
Speaker 5: bad comments is ladies, you try to express the way
Speaker 5: you feel through story or you'll use an example.
Speaker 4: You squeeze the toothpaste in the middle.
Speaker 5: It's not the toothpasting squeezed in the middle that bothers you,
Speaker 5: it's a feeling you get from that.
Speaker 4: The example I use is.
Speaker 5: If a woman says to a man, I feel like
Speaker 5: you're having an affair, it means you're not spending enough
Speaker 5: time with me. You don't care about me enough. I
Speaker 5: feel like your love is going somewhere else. Well, if
Speaker 5: a man says that to a woman, that's what he means.
Speaker 5: There is no off sense and butts about that. If
Speaker 5: he says to you, I feel you're having an affair,
Speaker 5: he believes you are. So when you're talking to a
Speaker 5: man and you're trying to get your point across, exture
Speaker 5: what you're saying can jive with a person who sees
Speaker 5: the world in black and white, because that's way men
Speaker 5: do it. We don't see it in emotion. We see
Speaker 5: it and so when you say what do we think
Speaker 5: about we say nothing. We're really not thinking about anything.
Speaker 5: We're just sitting there. So when you do go to
Speaker 5: explain what you're feeling, try to put in a way
Speaker 5: that he will understand. And if you're really in a
Speaker 5: good place with him, say can you tell me back
Speaker 5: what I just said to you? And if he can
Speaker 5: explain back to what he said to you using his words,
Speaker 5: then he understood what you're saying. But don't do it
Speaker 5: when he's watching the hockey game. He won't be listening,
Speaker 5: you know. Make sure you sit down and say, is
Speaker 5: this a good time to talk. Can we talk? Because
Speaker 5: I have some important stuff I need to say, and
Speaker 5: that's going to be the way you do it. And
Speaker 5: it's so important because I've seen many, many, many again
Speaker 5: many women come to me and say, I'm using my relationship.
Speaker 4: I don't know what to do. I can't talk to
Speaker 4: this person. Well you need to. It's very important.
Speaker 2: Sorry for the speech, No, And that's why that wait, Bruce,
Speaker 2: one moment. If I may just add to that, that's
Speaker 2: what's important. Why I said menopause. Menopause because we all
Speaker 2: experience it together, and Bruce, I don't want to run
Speaker 2: out on this show. Though we're talking specifically about my experience.
Speaker 2: Well maybe we'll talk about it on another show, because
Speaker 2: men go through changes too, hormonally, and you know, having
Speaker 2: Bruce's perspective audience is so important because I don't want
Speaker 2: to leave the men out and we have all kinds
Speaker 2: of male relationships in our lives. It could be our sons,
Speaker 2: if we're blessed to be, you know, moms in our
Speaker 2: eighties could be your brother or nephew.
Speaker 3: This show really helps across the board with us and
Speaker 3: with the men in our lives.
Speaker 2: And thank you Bruce for reminding us because girls were
Speaker 2: emotional and we add emotion to everything. Remember when you're
Speaker 2: talking to the man in your life, keep it black
Speaker 2: and white, thank you birth.
Speaker 4: Yeah, keep it simple.
Speaker 3: Yes, So.
Speaker 5: Along most journeys are it's a point where you're you
Speaker 5: just feel like you're going straight uphill and you can't
Speaker 5: take the next step. Was there a point where you
Speaker 5: just said, this is ridiculous. I'm not going to feel
Speaker 5: the pity partymore. I'm not going to feel sort for myself.
Speaker 5: I need to take charge. I need to I need
Speaker 5: to take back my power. If you would, did you
Speaker 5: do it? Was there a turning point where I was
Speaker 5: and you said, this isn't where the way I want
Speaker 5: to be experiencing this, this experience, And did you do
Speaker 5: something different?
Speaker 4: Did you make changes at a certain point?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 2: Absolutely, things just kept getting worse. I was getting fatter,
Speaker 2: I was getting hotter. I'm doing all this stuff and
Speaker 2: it's not working. And I'm going, oh, no, you don't.
Speaker 2: I don't accept it because I know there are answers.
Speaker 2: I've seen them work for many, many, many others. And
Speaker 2: so keeping in mind that, you know, my experience is
Speaker 2: really at a height level, and I think one of
Speaker 2: the reasons is because I went from a high level
Speaker 2: of hormones, which normally genetically I would have, so like
Speaker 2: from the penthouse to parking garage number twelve in an instant.
Speaker 2: There was no winding down. That just happened, and I
Speaker 2: was really going into a little bit of a whole.
Speaker 2: I can't function like I used to. I can't stand.
Speaker 3: I have this dizziness now.
Speaker 2: I don't know if one has anything to do with
Speaker 2: the other, but because of where I am, you know,
Speaker 2: it's all different things.
Speaker 3: That I'm going through.
Speaker 2: So my physicality change, how I move, how I live
Speaker 2: my day, my job, job, everything changed, and.
Speaker 3: I thought, I'm going to take my power back. And
Speaker 3: how I do that is do what I know best.
Speaker 2: And when people have asked the geneteve give us your wisdom,
Speaker 2: I started to dig in to the wisdom that I
Speaker 2: have learned from others. And that is when I decided
Speaker 2: I have I have to do this podcast. I can't
Speaker 2: hide because I was hiding. I didn't want to come
Speaker 2: out like this. I was hiding, you know because and
Speaker 2: I don't know, Dan, if you can pop up any
Speaker 2: of the pictures, whichever one work, maybe even one of
Speaker 2: the colored ones. When I was in my mid forties
Speaker 2: and still modeling.
Speaker 3: There we go. Yeah, absolutely, that's one that I did,
Speaker 3: you know, in my forties for.
Speaker 2: Skincare makeup line, and then you know, so I was
Speaker 2: hiding because that was so much a part of me.
Speaker 2: But one thing I'll say, Bruce, we can let our
Speaker 2: looks or external things be or ident because if it is,
Speaker 2: then when you come to a massive crossroads like what
Speaker 2: I'm feeling right now, you would just crawl and give up.
Speaker 2: And that's not about me. So that's why I thought,
Speaker 2: let's do the podcast.
Speaker 3: Let's be real.
Speaker 2: People are talking about menopause everywhere, menopause not so much,
Speaker 2: but Bruce and I are talking about that.
Speaker 3: So let's be real.
Speaker 2: We're ordinary, extraordinary people next door. We can talk about
Speaker 2: this and we can come up with a protocol to
Speaker 2: help one another. Bruce and I have the wisdom to
Speaker 2: do it. And so that's what really changed me is
Speaker 2: I am going to do what I can do, which
Speaker 2: I know what I know I can do with the
Speaker 2: help of my brilliant friends, starting with you, Bruce, to
Speaker 2: put together protocols.
Speaker 3: To help women go through this.
Speaker 2: And so when we come back, we're going to have
Speaker 2: a short break for sponsors. When we come back, we'll
Speaker 2: talk about some of those protocols that is coming up
Speaker 2: in future shows. Thank you everyone. Genevieve Wisdom, welcome to
Speaker 2: Walk with Wisdom. And Bruce Pollock is here with me
Speaker 2: today talking about my journey on menopause.
Speaker 3: Bruce, anything you.
Speaker 5: Wanted, absolutely, So you've been going through this for a
Speaker 5: while now, you must have come up with something to
Speaker 5: help you out. What would you say, like, let's call
Speaker 5: them wisdom hacks if you would. What ideas do you
Speaker 5: have for just dealing with on a day to day baby?
Speaker 3: Thank you, Bruce. I love that.
Speaker 2: Before we talk about the wisdom hacks, I'm going to
Speaker 2: pull up one more picture Dan if you can, yeah, perfect.
Speaker 2: So this is one of my favorite pictures again in
Speaker 2: my forties, mid forties. It's not like you know, twenty
Speaker 2: years ago to mid to late forties, and I really
Speaker 2: want to get my body back. That is one of
Speaker 2: the wisdom hacks that I want to do. And so
Speaker 2: you see all these things about weight and weight loss,
Speaker 2: and so one of the things that I'm going to do, Bruce,
Speaker 2: and I am going to get your wisdom on it
Speaker 2: because it works for men as well. Is to help
Speaker 2: us balance or hormones foundationally, so we can get our
Speaker 2: bodies back and lose that mid section. You've heard about
Speaker 2: the meno belly, and I also call it the man o'belly.
Speaker 2: It's right around there that it sits, and it really
Speaker 2: irks us. And one of the wisdom hacks that I
Speaker 2: have for that is really starting with a gut. So
Speaker 2: what I want to do, We're gonna we don't want
Speaker 2: to give too much information for a show. We don't
Speaker 2: want it to be like, you know, a university course
Speaker 2: per show. We want it to be fun and talking
Speaker 2: while giving everyone a little bit of information. So we're
Speaker 2: gonna start with a gut. Then we're gonna work on
Speaker 2: sleep because I think, Bruce, you agree that if we
Speaker 2: don't sleep, it really doesn't matter what we do as well,
Speaker 2: especially when it comes to wait. So the number one
Speaker 2: thing again is got making sure we're going to the bathroom.
Speaker 2: I'll talk about doing colonics because me again keeping in
Speaker 2: mind that I'm here, Oh, Bruce, something I thought of
Speaker 2: And ladies and gentlemen, all my viewers, you this may
Speaker 2: make sense to you.
Speaker 3: I hope it does.
Speaker 2: I'm just dropping it on Bruce, right, now, I thought
Speaker 2: what we would do is put together four levels of changing, reverting, reversing,
Speaker 2: reviving us back to what we used to do.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 2: Maybe we're not going to be exactly how we were
Speaker 2: at twenty one, but certainly we can reverse back to
Speaker 2: mid forties.
Speaker 3: I'll take it.
Speaker 2: And it's to have mild, medium, hot, and pecante settings
Speaker 2: piicante I'm extra hot.
Speaker 3: And that would mean that.
Speaker 2: If someone has something mild going on, maybe it's just
Speaker 2: a matter of fixing their gut. Get some probiotics, get
Speaker 2: the microbiome going, and some magnesium for sleep, and that
Speaker 2: will fix them. Let's say, if we're talking about gut
Speaker 2: and sleep for someone who's medium, we stack. Everyone knows
Speaker 2: I love stacking, Bruce. You get stacking. Sometimes some people
Speaker 2: need more things to do, so we'll stack it on
Speaker 2: the medium level and then we go up levels. So
Speaker 2: it's not a one size fits all. That's what makes
Speaker 2: us so unique, uniquely beautiful, uniquely amazing wherever we are.
Speaker 2: It's not a one size fits all. What do you think,
Speaker 2: Bruce and audience, I love your comments about this.
Speaker 4: I think it's fabulous idea.
Speaker 5: Just start the start of the basics and move into
Speaker 5: the as you say, the pecante, if you would know,
Speaker 5: it's a great idea. But even you know, what we
Speaker 5: refer to men is as we say, the dad bod,
Speaker 5: and the dad bod is the cortisol bod. Right, that's
Speaker 5: that that tire around the around the gut, and it's
Speaker 5: not hell. And and as much as it's normal and
Speaker 5: acceptable on all those things, it's still not really healthy.
Speaker 5: So it's let's let's start at the basics and work
Speaker 5: our way through absolutely perfect.
Speaker 3: And that's exactly it.
Speaker 2: And remember everyone, as I mentioned, it's not about body size,
Speaker 2: you know, it's not at all about that.
Speaker 3: But we do have the hip to waste ratio that
Speaker 3: all of.
Speaker 2: Us in health know about, and I'm sure now with
Speaker 2: Google everyone know what the hipto waste ratio is. That
Speaker 2: if it's really now you're straight and more you have
Speaker 2: a spare tire, it sets you up for some chronic conditions.
Speaker 2: So at more ages, especially forty and over, we're really
Speaker 2: looking to reset. Do that resetting with this menopausal and
Speaker 2: menopausal cascade so that we're healthy and we decrease our
Speaker 2: risk of these chronic conditions that can come just from
Speaker 2: us having this massive weight change and we can do it.
Speaker 6: There are things that we can do, right, Bruce, absolutely
Speaker 6: absolutely stave off the type two deep sorry, stave off
Speaker 6: the type two diabetes and that.
Speaker 4: Sort of thing.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, absolutely so, Bruce, Is there any comments that you
Speaker 2: have for me just to wrap up about getting to
Speaker 2: know me a little bit more through this journey and
Speaker 2: that you may have in general or amazing audience that's watching.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I really appreciate and thank you so much, Jenn
Speaker 5: for being so honest about this. I know we've touched
Speaker 5: on a number of personal things and including weight, emotions,
Speaker 5: and even your memory, and I think that it's really
Speaker 5: important for everybody out there to realize these aren't things
Speaker 5: to be ashamed of. These are just things the way
Speaker 5: they work. There are things you can make them better.
Speaker 5: But don't feel bad because you're feeling this way. Just
Speaker 5: accept that's where you feel, and then we can move
Speaker 5: to a better place. Remember that that journey, you hit
Speaker 5: that pinnacle where you just decide enough is enough. Now
Speaker 5: we need to change, well, change slowly. You don't have
Speaker 5: to change overnight, and nothing will change overnight. But but
Speaker 5: remember you're not alone. I guess that's I guess that's
Speaker 5: what I really want to say is you're not alone
Speaker 5: in this. Genevieve has probably, if I can be totally honest,
Speaker 5: there were symptomology I've ever seen, and yet look at her,
Speaker 5: she says, vibrant, smiling, laughing woman.
Speaker 3: Right, So don't you didn't let it outtart right out.
Speaker 4: Yeah, don't.
Speaker 5: Don't don't let it take you down the wrong trail. Remember,
Speaker 5: you can still be smiling and vibrant and not energetic necessarily,
Speaker 5: but you don't have to live a life of depression
Speaker 5: as this goes through. So again, thank you so much
Speaker 5: for your honest and your candidness in this. It's it's
Speaker 5: I've really it's opened my eyes to what's going on.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Bruce, and thank you for agreeing to interview
Speaker 2: me on such a really intimate topic to really put
Speaker 2: out there. But you know my heart of authenticity, which
Speaker 2: you have as well, and it's really to help others,
Speaker 2: and it's affecting so many women and men, and it's
Speaker 2: at such a deep level and we shouldn't have to
Speaker 2: suffer through this. We walk together, We walk with wisdom
Speaker 2: to get through it together. Thank you all again so
Speaker 2: much for joining me this week. Next week we are
Speaker 2: going to have some of those protocols we talked about,
Speaker 2: and I'm hoping, Bruce, do you think you can come
Speaker 2: back with me. I have another guest next week to
Speaker 2: talk about nutraceuticals specifically that's our you.
Speaker 3: Know, we live, breathe, and dream nutraceutical.
Speaker 2: So I'm wondering, can you come back with me, like
Speaker 2: at the end of the show and maybe help me
Speaker 2: do a little wrap up, put things in perspective, and
Speaker 2: maybe introduce some of these protocols that we talked about today.
Speaker 5: Well, you know what I say, besides myself, it's just
Speaker 5: some of my favorite subject so I would love to
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