Speaker 1: For those who don't know me, I'm Graham Hancock.
Speaker 2: I've been exploring the possibility of a lost civilization in
Speaker 2: prehistory for more than thirty years. Archaeology claims that if
Speaker 2: there were such a thing as a lost civilization, they
Speaker 2: would have found it already. Well, I profoundly disagree with that,
Speaker 2: and now my quest continues.
Speaker 3: In a part of the world often over. That's the
Speaker 3: new Ancient Apocalypse season two with Graham Hancock. I've been
Speaker 3: chopping at the bit to talk about that, and I
Speaker 3: was told by Graham I needed to be quiet until
Speaker 3: it's released. It's going to be on Netflix October sixteenth,
Speaker 3: and would you believe it features our own doctor Ed
Speaker 3: Barnhard as well as a list stars Keanu Reeves. Now,
Speaker 3: that is a huge actor to be speaking with Graham Hancock,
Speaker 3: but he is you'll see in the movie that he
Speaker 3: is a longtime fan. And not only have Graham Hancock's
Speaker 3: but the whole question about history, it's essence and really,
Speaker 3: you know, I mean, he comes up with a lot
Speaker 3: of issues himself about questioning history. So I've been, like
Speaker 3: I said, I've been very quiet about this and I'm
Speaker 3: very excited it's on the Americas. It's Ancient Apocalypse the Americas.
Speaker 3: And again it starts October sixteenth. Now this is a
Speaker 3: huge deal because the last time Graham was on this series,
Speaker 3: we were a part of it. I was helping out
Speaker 3: with the producer. But it actually gardnered around forty million
Speaker 3: people and upset the archaeological community, most notably the university
Speaker 3: levels to no end and they wrote skating letters and
Speaker 3: reviews and even asked the producers to remove the series
Speaker 3: from Netflix. And I mean, obviously it didn't happen, but
Speaker 3: you know, when you get a huge star, you have
Speaker 3: a good lineup, it's even gonna be seen by even
Speaker 3: more people. They're gonna be wondering why is this guy
Speaker 3: on there with Graham Hancock. So there you go, October sixteenth.
Speaker 3: We're gonna have Graham on the program in December following
Speaker 3: the release. At this point it is probably gonna be
Speaker 3: mid December. It's part of our Best of the Best
Speaker 3: that we do every December on Earth Ancients. So I'm
Speaker 3: really excited about this, and it looks like there's an
Speaker 3: opportunity to do even more programming. Netflix didn't have any
Speaker 3: idea that it would be this popular, but it just
Speaker 3: shows you how the public perceives our history and most
Speaker 3: notably how it's presented to everyone, not only in history books,
Speaker 3: but National Geo, the Smithsonian, even the History Channel is
Speaker 3: put on notice that, hey, what you're presenting is you know, hypothesis,
Speaker 3: it's guesswork, and we need to revise some of the
Speaker 3: portions of history that we're not sure of, notably ancient history.
Speaker 3: And this is where Graham and people like Randall Carlson
Speaker 3: and many of the people we have here on this program,
Speaker 3: doctor Robert Shock and others present that you know, we're guessing.
Speaker 3: We're guessing at what was happening four thousand, five thousand,
Speaker 3: and six thousand and then this global catastrophe which was
Speaker 3: nine thousand, five hundred BC when an asteroid hit and
Speaker 3: very much disrupted the planet, and the guestimate is probably
Speaker 3: around eighty percent of humanity and what they call the
Speaker 3: MegaFon of the big animals were eradicated, were killed, and
Speaker 3: what happens is that the planet had to reboot, had
Speaker 3: to restart itself. And this is where we believe places
Speaker 3: like go Beckley, Tepe, Carahan, Teppe were launched as rehabilitation
Speaker 3: centers where people would go and learn how to farm,
Speaker 3: learn how to look at the seasons through the astronomical
Speaker 3: alignments of planets, the Sun, the moon, and the other
Speaker 3: planet's animal husbandry, you know, keeping breeding animals for food
Speaker 3: and so on. And so this whole idea that we
Speaker 3: know about our ancient past, or as the academics like
Speaker 3: to say, we don't know. And so what Graham is
Speaker 3: proposing evidence of a lost civilization or perhaps many civilizations
Speaker 3: isn't valid. And this is their argument is that because
Speaker 3: and this has been going on for decades, because we
Speaker 3: can't find any potshards or evidence of this earlier civilization,
Speaker 3: be it Atlantis, Limoria, dogger Land, or so or whatever,
Speaker 3: they're not valid. They're not valid. Now. I've been talking
Speaker 3: about this for since day one, and my latest theory
Speaker 3: is that a lot of these temples, pyramids and other
Speaker 3: ructures were were used. They were there and developed and
Speaker 3: designed by this early civilization, and then they were left
Speaker 3: vacant following the cataclysm and then repurposed, reused. We talk
Speaker 3: about Egypt all the time, and like the Hathor Temple
Speaker 3: and the Great Pyramids, they were reused. You know, they
Speaker 3: didn't have the technology because the technology was lost. The
Speaker 3: people who operated these places were all killed. And you
Speaker 3: know when we go to the Serapim and Abidos and
Speaker 3: you see these massive granite boxes, how in the hell
Speaker 3: they get them underground? Who carved them? So this is
Speaker 3: all evidence and this is what we have here on Earth.
Speaker 3: Things is we have a lot of evidence of early
Speaker 3: technology without understanding how the buildings, the artifacts were created.
Speaker 3: So we're in a guestimate mode. We're slowly coming back
Speaker 3: to being able to identify some of this tech as
Speaker 3: our own science and technology evolves. But to say flat
Speaker 3: out that it doesn't exist just because we can't identify it,
Speaker 3: and this is where a lot of our academic brothers
Speaker 3: and sisters fall is kind of disingenuous and also not
Speaker 3: very smart. And these programs like our Ancient Apocalypse show
Speaker 3: that a huge population of our public are questioning history
Speaker 3: as well. And this is what gets the archaeologists so upset. Archaeologists,
Speaker 3: anthropologists and egyptologists. So there you go. Netflix. Ancient Apocalypse
Speaker 3: Season two starts October sixteenth. We'll have Grandma on the
Speaker 3: program in December, and we'll also have Ed Barnhard on
Speaker 3: the show in October. He'll be talking about one of
Speaker 3: the series, by the way, which is Easter Island Ed.
Speaker 3: Barnhart will be on the program in October to talk
Speaker 3: about and that will also be a prelude to those
Speaker 3: of you who will be joining me March fifteenth for
Speaker 3: a private tour of Easter Island. If you want more information,
Speaker 3: you can go to Earthagents dot com forward Slash Tours
Speaker 3: and get all the information and details. Hey, my guest
Speaker 3: today is Johannah James. She is a actress and comedian
Speaker 3: but also a prehistory buff. She was the Master of
Speaker 3: Ceremonies at the recent Cosmic Summit in North Carolina, and
Speaker 3: I was trying to get her in June to come on,
Speaker 3: but she was just too busy doing other projects and
Speaker 3: wasn't available. So she is our guest today, and I
Speaker 3: gotta tell you she is not only very bright, but
Speaker 3: she's got a couple of really good programs. She's got
Speaker 3: a podcast called Raiders of the Past Pod, who she
Speaker 3: co presents with Luke Caverns. We've had Luke on the
Speaker 3: program a couple or at least a couple of times.
Speaker 3: And also she's got a really nice YouTube channel called
Speaker 3: Funny Old World and Oldest spelled Old that thing has
Speaker 3: about about a quarter of a million viewers and is
Speaker 3: very very up to date and fun to watch. So
Speaker 3: today's program is Ancient Anomalies and my guest is Johannah James.
Speaker 3: Each year, Earth the Ancients supports a number of conferences.
Speaker 3: We have spring conferences. We just finished with the Cosmic
Speaker 3: Summit in North Carolina, which was very successful, and we
Speaker 3: also support conferences in the fall to SEAPAC conference which
Speaker 3: stands for Conference on Precision and Ancient Knowledge. It's produced
Speaker 3: by Walter Kronaden who is in California, and we have
Speaker 3: Walter on the program. We want to learn a little
Speaker 3: bit about this upcoming conference. So Walter, welcome to Earth
Speaker 3: the Ancients. How you doing fantastic? Thanks for having me
Speaker 3: on again. Hey, talk a little bit about this year's
Speaker 3: theme and what your idea is in terms of producing
Speaker 3: the conference for twenty twenty four.
Speaker 4: Yes, we've been holding this conference, you know, almost every
Speaker 4: year for the last twenty years or so, and it's
Speaker 4: called the Conference on Procession and Ancient Knowledge, and it
Speaker 4: looks into the idea that ancient cultures, if there really
Speaker 4: is a cycle of the ages, may have been more
Speaker 4: advanced than heretofore believed, and so we always try to
Speaker 4: have speakers that you know, are traveling around the world
Speaker 4: going to ancient sites and studying this subject that can
Speaker 4: bring new knowledge back to us and kind of give
Speaker 4: us their reports so we can understand different facets of
Speaker 4: this whole cycle of the ages and ancient cultures that
Speaker 4: may have actually had higher consciousness at one time.
Speaker 3: Right, So what's the theme for this year?
Speaker 4: The theme this year is actually a look at higher
Speaker 4: consciousness in the in the higher cultures. Yeah, so it's
Speaker 4: you know, this this belief is that there's this great year.
Speaker 4: So just as you have the cycle of day and night,
Speaker 4: you know, driven by a celestial motion, and you have
Speaker 4: this cycle of the seasons we're all familiar with, driven
Speaker 4: by the year's most celestial motion around the sun. So
Speaker 4: too do many ancient cultures believe that we have this
Speaker 4: thing called the Great that was Plato's term for it
Speaker 4: in Greece, and the Indians called it the Yuga cycle,
Speaker 4: this alternating dark and golden ages. And you know, and
Speaker 4: if it's true, which we believe it is, then there
Speaker 4: should be evidence of higher cultures in the very ancient past.
Speaker 4: And we think this explains how certain things were built
Speaker 4: and certain knowledge that was definitely lost during the Dark Ages.
Speaker 4: You know how when we look at the historical record,
Speaker 4: we find optics in ancient Greece and they go completely
Speaker 4: away until they're rediscovered or we find geared devices to
Speaker 4: get their device. It goes completely away in the Dark
Speaker 4: Ages until it's brought back in the clockmaking era or
Speaker 4: the Baghdad battery, you know, goes completely away and reinvented
Speaker 4: by Volta. And so same thing. The heliocentric system was
Speaker 4: taught in ancient Greece, it was gone, and then Copernicus
Speaker 4: brings it back. And so you know, if they did
Speaker 4: have a higher consciousness in the very distant past, what's
Speaker 4: it all about? And how do we find out about it?
Speaker 4: And one source is the ancient Greek writings and the
Speaker 4: ancient Indian writings. They talk about the higher ages. The
Speaker 4: Greeks called it the Silver and Golden Age, and Indians
Speaker 4: called it, of course, the Treaty Yugen, the Sachi Yuga.
Speaker 4: But Hesiod, the most famous Greek historian, speaks of the
Speaker 4: long lost Golden Age, even lost in his time, and
Speaker 4: you know he was a thousand BC as a time
Speaker 4: when mankind lived in perfect attuinement with nature, she gave
Speaker 4: of herself freely. You didn't even have to farm because
Speaker 4: it's you know, nature is just so proficient and man
Speaker 4: is virtuous and this sort of thing. And then and
Speaker 4: as things go downhill, we kind of get into you know,
Speaker 4: we lose telepathy and clairvoyance and writing is required once again,
Speaker 4: you know, post babbel age. So it's it's a different
Speaker 4: take on history for sure, but it's it's interesting and
Speaker 4: there's a lot of anecdotal information out there, and so yeah,
Speaker 4: we have some great speakers on it.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: Graham Hancock was our keynote speaker last year, which we
Speaker 4: had talked about, and Robert Shock is our keynote speaker
Speaker 4: this year.
Speaker 3: Fantastic. Yeah, yeah, you got Robert Shock, you got Freddie Silva.
Speaker 3: Of course, we just interviewed Joseph Selby and Ben van
Speaker 3: Kirkwick is joining you have you had been on.
Speaker 4: Before, just once before, and yeah, he's a terrific speaker,
Speaker 4: and he's always traveling all around the world.
Speaker 3: So he's in Egypt quite a bit. He's fascinated by Egypt,
Speaker 3: and we had him on recently and he was speaking
Speaker 3: about some of the antiquities related to that part of
Speaker 3: the world. Fantastic. It's going to be not in the desert.
Speaker 3: It's going to be in Nevada City, California, October eighteenth
Speaker 3: of the nineteenth and real quickly, how do people get
Speaker 3: to the Vada City. They get through there by via
Speaker 3: if they fly via Sacramento, right.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, it's about an hour and fifteen hour and
Speaker 4: twenty minutes out of Sacramento.
Speaker 3: Okay, nice drive because.
Speaker 4: You know the last half is sort of through the
Speaker 4: forest and it's pret beautiful. We're actually holding it at
Speaker 4: Ananda Village, which is this eight hundred acres of mostly
Speaker 4: yogis and meditators. They have really cool buildings and temples
Speaker 4: and meditation places, and so we're holding it in one
Speaker 4: of the temples there. We have a terrific camera audio
Speaker 4: video staff, so it'll be just as professional as we've
Speaker 4: done in any hotel. But the setting in nature, so
Speaker 4: people in the Brakes can go out and you know,
Speaker 4: really enjoy the place. We think lends itself to this
Speaker 4: theme of life in the higher ages.
Speaker 3: Perfect. Okay. So to get more information, you can go
Speaker 3: to cpack online dot com and it lays out the
Speaker 3: entire itinerary, how to register, how to you'll learn more
Speaker 3: about the facilities and the accommodations that are up there.
Speaker 3: The what's the price for a full the full program?
Speaker 4: It's four ninety nine on the website, okay, And of
Speaker 4: course they can come through you and get a discount.
Speaker 3: So they if they use when you're registering, you can
Speaker 3: use the word Earth Ancients and you get twenty percent off.
Speaker 3: And if you can't make it, but you still want
Speaker 3: to attend, you can go to the streaming the registration
Speaker 3: for the streaming program, and it's seventy five dollars for
Speaker 3: the full program. And I've just learned from Walter that
Speaker 3: that includes the saved files. And many of you ask
Speaker 3: me if they're going to save the files, and Walter
Speaker 3: is offering that. So you pay the seventy five dollars,
Speaker 3: you get the full program, the full speaker lineup, and
Speaker 3: you keep it for futures. You can't if you miss somebody,
Speaker 3: you can look at it later.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's terrific to be there in per in
Speaker 4: person because you get to meet all the speakers, get
Speaker 4: books signed, and you know, get the whole experience. But
Speaker 4: streaming you'll get the basic content, and you know there's
Speaker 4: some really cool stuff. A couple of my lesser known
Speaker 4: speakers but favorites. Charlotte Morose, she's doing her doctoral studies.
Speaker 4: She's in go Beckley Teppe right now as we speak.
Speaker 3: Is she really yes?
Speaker 4: And she's been there for a couple of months working
Speaker 4: on a project, and so she'll be coming back with
Speaker 4: firsthand information from go Beckley Teppe. Also, Boris Fritz just
Speaker 4: an amazing guy.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: He he's been teaching at Loyola I Believe in southern California,
Speaker 4: and he's he has a talk on the what life
Speaker 4: was like in the Higher Ages and he's quite a
Speaker 4: yogi himself, so you know, he's not just speaking from
Speaker 4: academic book point of view. He's kind of talking about
Speaker 4: these different states of consciousness you can go through as.
Speaker 3: You be sure to use Earth Ancients to get a
Speaker 3: twin percent discounts roughly one hundred bucks and the streaming
Speaker 3: if you can't make it up there, streaming is seventy
Speaker 3: five dollars. It'll all be available on the program. Any
Speaker 3: last thoughts, Walter, as we conclude.
Speaker 4: Last thoughts, are I'm sure glad that we're going into
Speaker 4: a higher age, because if we're going into a lower age,
Speaker 4: we'd be having a much different conversation.
Speaker 3: I'm sure. All right, Hey, much success on the conference
Speaker 3: and we are looking forward to learning more about it.
Speaker 4: Thanks Cliff.
Speaker 3: We just finished the Cosmic Summit in North Carolina and
Speaker 3: the master of ceremonies was Johanna James. I didn't get
Speaker 3: a chance to interview her because she's so busy, and
Speaker 3: I was reaching out to the producer George Howard and going, hey, George,
Speaker 3: where is this gal? I need to talk to her.
Speaker 3: And you know, in this industry, in this business, in
Speaker 3: this genre of ancient cultures ancient civilizations, to have a individual,
Speaker 3: a woman who is interested as she is is really
Speaker 3: something to consider and I was wanting to get her
Speaker 3: on the program for a while. Let me just tell
Speaker 3: you a little bit about her. She is a British actress,
Speaker 3: comedian who who began researching ancient history during the pandemic.
Speaker 3: And we gotta ask her about that simply. I mean,
Speaker 3: that's an amazing idea. She Why would you get into
Speaker 3: the ancient culture as much as she did? There's a
Speaker 3: trigger somewhere there. She's on YouTube, She's got a great
Speaker 3: YouTube channel called Funny Old World, and you got to
Speaker 3: check it out. It's very well done and she's quite
Speaker 3: a personality. In fact, she's even interviewing her father and
Speaker 3: one of these episodes, which is hilarious. And she's got
Speaker 3: a podcast with would you Believe Luke Caverns is called
Speaker 3: Raiders of the Past Pod and that's just started out too,
Speaker 3: So hey, we want to talk about what's all, what's
Speaker 3: going on with her, what she's been doing, and get
Speaker 3: a sense of why she's involved in this genre. So hey, Johanna,
Speaker 3: welcome to Earth Ancient's good to see you.
Speaker 1: Thanks so much for having me on.
Speaker 3: All right, first thing I have to ask you. All Right,
Speaker 3: we're into the we're into the pandemic, everyone's isolated. What
Speaker 3: is the trigger? What's like the passion to jump into
Speaker 3: this genre? I mean, because I've seen you on, I'm
Speaker 3: seeing that these people and you're like, you're like you're
Speaker 3: tapped in. You know what's happening?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, deep in the source it was. It was
Speaker 1: weird because obviously the pandemic was a very weird time
Speaker 1: and I had I had a lot of spare time
Speaker 1: on my hands, and I was finding it hard to
Speaker 1: focus at home on anything else really other than falling
Speaker 1: down the amazing rabbit hole that is lost ancient technology,
Speaker 1: ancient mythology. Sort of when I really started to look
Speaker 1: at when you start to look at the historical human
Speaker 1: timeline and you notice just like there are some weird anomaly,
Speaker 1: some weird gaps, like we really don't know that much
Speaker 1: about human history, like pre six thousand BC, And yeah,
Speaker 1: I just I got absolutely hooked. I saw I saw Rogan.
Speaker 1: I got into Joe Rogan as well on the pandemic
Speaker 1: and Randal Carlston and the Graham hand clock we're on there,
Speaker 1: and Jimmy from right inside who sort of was putting
Speaker 1: the spotlight on potentially Atlantis being in Mauritania. Oh, I
Speaker 1: was absolutely absolutely hooked. And I decided in twenty twenty
Speaker 1: to go to join a tour and go to Egypt.
Speaker 1: I was like, I've got to go there myself. But
Speaker 1: it's one thing to sit and watch and observe, but
Speaker 1: I was like, I've got to go there. So I
Speaker 1: did it. I booked you, went all on my own
Speaker 1: and I joined Ben from Uncharted Ex's tour and it
Speaker 1: was yeah, and made powers of Ben and It was
Speaker 1: just amazing because I went with a whole bunch of
Speaker 1: questions and then I just came back with like a
Speaker 1: hundred more, and I had so much footage from I
Speaker 1: just was recording everything that we were experiencing, and I
Speaker 1: realized I had enough footage for about eight vlogs, and
Speaker 1: I thought, Oh, I'll whack them on YouTube because I
Speaker 1: don't really nobody watches my YouTube. And I was like,
Speaker 1: it's going to be my little space for me to
Speaker 1: maybe explore and build a community about ancient history, because
Speaker 1: not my friends and family aren't really into this and
Speaker 1: I really am. So I was like, I'm sure someone
Speaker 1: out there wants to chat to me about this. It
Speaker 1: turns out there's one hundreds thousands of people who are
Speaker 1: into this, and that's how I started Funny Old World
Speaker 1: and it's now kind of a full time gig.
Speaker 3: It's excellent. And I should mention you're you're at like
Speaker 3: about a quarter of a million friends or likes on
Speaker 3: that channel, and are you doing all the editing and
Speaker 3: the design of.
Speaker 1: These Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. My dad was a video
Speaker 1: editor as his profession, and so he taught me how
Speaker 1: to edit, and yeah, so I know my way around
Speaker 1: like editing software and camera and yeah, I'm seeing the
Speaker 1: theme tune, make the theme tune, and it's all it's.
Speaker 3: All me what I mean when you're looking at these questions,
Speaker 3: because Ben van Kirkwick and that tour group, those are
Speaker 3: guys that are kind of bending our understanding in using
Speaker 3: new technology to analyze old world artifacts. Are you kind
Speaker 3: of saying national geographic and all the traditional thoughts are
Speaker 3: not valid or are you saying there's a question here
Speaker 3: that I want to answer and I'm very curious on
Speaker 3: the alternative views of these artifacts.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that. I mean, I need to preface that.
Speaker 1: I think that like archaeology and the art of it
Speaker 1: and the skill of it, and I think that there
Speaker 1: is there are so many amazing academic people, and I
Speaker 1: do I follow I follow the science. And that's where
Speaker 1: I think that even if you follow the science, there
Speaker 1: are still so many I don't know. It's from the
Speaker 1: academic community when you go, well, where did this come from?
Speaker 1: We don't know who made this? We don't know, and
Speaker 1: it's in that weird gray area of history that's my
Speaker 1: favorite era. And I think that there is space for
Speaker 1: people if academics kind of can't answer it. Then I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: let's open it up to the audience and like, let
Speaker 1: anyone can have a go, because I think that's part
Speaker 1: of the magic of it that you don't have to
Speaker 1: have a degree. Like I'm not. I have no qualifications
Speaker 1: in history. I'm literally just a fan. I'm passionate about it.
Speaker 1: I'm coming at this from a background in I've got
Speaker 1: a background in comedy acting, so I was like, this.
Speaker 3: Is just very cool, because you make a great master
Speaker 3: of ceremonies for those conferences.
Speaker 1: I'm so unqualified. But I realized where I think my
Speaker 1: place in this big puzzle is that if I can
Speaker 1: dip my toe in and try and understand these things,
Speaker 1: then anybody can. And if I can communicate somehow some
Speaker 1: very heavy science cy I've like, somehow I'm involved in
Speaker 1: some very heavy science stuff, and if I can communicate
Speaker 1: that to somebody who's like, has no idea what's going on,
Speaker 1: then maybe that's my role, just facilitating getting as many
Speaker 1: eyes on the mysteries as possible.
Speaker 3: Do you into the ancient alien genre where you're saying,
Speaker 3: we can't explain it, and this is my big problem
Speaker 3: with ancient aliens. If they can't explain it. It must
Speaker 3: be the aliens who did it.
Speaker 5: What do you say to that, I am I'm in
Speaker 5: favor of ancient humans doing a lot of the things
Speaker 5: that we find, like the artifacts that are out of place, or.
Speaker 1: If things that seem to be above the technological paygrode
Speaker 1: of the time. I would put my money on ancient
Speaker 1: humans over ancient aliens. However, I definitely don't think we
Speaker 1: should rule out I think I do not think that
Speaker 1: we are the only sentient beings that are in the universe.
Speaker 1: In fact, it highly statistically improbable that we that we are.
Speaker 1: So of course, I think that if you start looking
Speaker 1: at time, like for example, I was just gonna roll back.
Speaker 1: When you're at school, you learn history, but you learn
Speaker 1: like only the last very few thousand years of history,
Speaker 1: at least in English schools anyway. And then when you
Speaker 1: start to learn that humans have been around for literally
Speaker 1: three hundred thousand years, if not longer, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: what ask anybody at the dinner table, I mean, next time,
Speaker 1: even a dinner party, how old the human beings like
Speaker 1: anatomically correct modern parmisapiens. And most more often than not,
Speaker 1: people go oh about I don't know twenty thousand and
Speaker 1: thirty thousand years. Like, honestly, people have no idea that
Speaker 1: it's ten times longer. And when you start to go,
Speaker 1: so we've been rocking around with the same brains for
Speaker 1: three hundred thousand years. Do you think that anyone at
Speaker 1: any time has been able to achieve something sort of
Speaker 1: similar to what we've done or had any similar ideas
Speaker 1: considering that we tend to rotate, And it's amazing. My
Speaker 1: mind was blown. I think people's minds are blown. And yeah,
Speaker 1: of course aliens could come into the mix at some point.
Speaker 3: In a word, I'm trying to pin you to the wall,
Speaker 3: but I'm just curious because I haven't heard you reference
Speaker 3: aliens or say, you know, this could be ancient alien works,
Speaker 3: And I think that's an excuse, and unfortunately it gets
Speaker 3: I think it's gotten that little out of hand, where
Speaker 3: whereas they find an artifact or a building or even
Speaker 3: a pyramid somewhere that is very well made, it's highly
Speaker 3: well engineered, and it's like, because there's no reference to it,
Speaker 3: perhaps it is an alien artifact, and I think it
Speaker 3: just gets out of hand. It's it's almost like an excuse.
Speaker 1: For it but I can see why logically people would
Speaker 1: put it in that category because we have so many
Speaker 1: artifacts or structures that kind of just pop up, like
Speaker 1: the barbar caves in India, and you go, well, there's
Speaker 1: nothing pre them, and there's nothing post them. So it's
Speaker 1: almost like an alien spaceship has just come down, plumped
Speaker 1: it down and taken off. It would almost solve the
Speaker 1: mystery really easily if it was easy.
Speaker 3: To say that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I would. I think I'd always put my
Speaker 1: money on humans. I think we have completely underestimated what
Speaker 1: ancient humans were capable of, and I think we're starting
Speaker 1: to understand that we might be on just one big
Speaker 1: circle cycle of intelligent time.
Speaker 3: Exactly. It is cyclic. I wanted you to talk a
Speaker 3: little bit about this. One of the early episodes where
Speaker 3: you had your dad debate you on Atlantis. You actually
Speaker 3: did part one and part two. I thought it was great.
Speaker 3: Your dad was real positive about it, and obviously you
Speaker 3: have a great relationship I have in my family academics
Speaker 3: and my dad's a teacher. I don't think it would
Speaker 3: go as well as what you were able to do achieve.
Speaker 3: Talk a little bit about convincing your dad to do
Speaker 3: that series because he was very positive, even though he's
Speaker 3: against your thoughts.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we well, basically that that came about because obviously
Speaker 1: my dad saw me making my channel and he was
Speaker 1: challenging me on a lot of the things that I
Speaker 1: was exploring. Because my dad is a heavy, heavy skeptic
Speaker 1: on anything alternative. He's into history, but he he his
Speaker 1: favorite part of history is like theology. He knows his
Speaker 1: Bible history really well, so he's coming at it from academically.
Speaker 1: That's what he studied at university. So he's very into
Speaker 1: ancient texts, like biblical texts, and so when I was
Speaker 1: looking into things like Atlantis, he really wanted to challenge
Speaker 1: me on that, and we just I just said, right, look,
Speaker 1: let's let's do it for the camera, like if you
Speaker 1: really wanted to, let's let's do a debate.
Speaker 3: You're really brave, because you know, I was envisioned, you know,
Speaker 3: if something doesn't go right that he gets up out
Speaker 3: of his chair and walks out of the room. But
Speaker 3: he was actually good.
Speaker 1: We did part one and two. I had to split
Speaker 1: it into two parts because it was so long, and
Speaker 1: even then I think I chopped about an hour out
Speaker 1: because we kept arguing round and around and around, and yeah,
Speaker 1: I think, I think. And also we were really surprised
Speaker 1: that so many people reacted to it so positively. They
Speaker 1: were like, oh, you and your dad, I like have
Speaker 1: a great chemistry, and we were like really because we
Speaker 1: just feel like we're arguing. But yeah, so and still
Speaker 1: to this day, my dad is not convinced.
Speaker 3: He still yeah, he wasn't conced.
Speaker 1: He's kindly skeptical. I have said, I look, Dad, I
Speaker 1: think you need to come out to Cosmic Summit next year.
Speaker 1: I think you need to come and sit because I
Speaker 1: think Cosmic Summit is a great place for academic meet
Speaker 1: alternative because you have a sliding scale of everyone there.
Speaker 1: You have people, you have full on doctor academic doctors
Speaker 1: who are coming in with their peer reviewed twenty years
Speaker 1: out in the field with their ideas, and then you've
Speaker 1: got people all the way on the other end, you
Speaker 1: got like YouTubers like me who are just coming in
Speaker 1: being like what if it's it's it's really good, and
Speaker 1: the people that the environment so far has been so.
Speaker 3: Friendly Cosmic Summit. The reason we're a sponsor is the
Speaker 3: fact that there are field archaeologists and geologists and other
Speaker 3: sciences there. But the one criteria is that they are
Speaker 3: asking questions outside of the box, or they're establishing data
Speaker 3: outside of the box. That is kind of putting their
Speaker 3: field on notice that there's questions to be answered.
Speaker 1: And one thing that I've learned in the like, I've
Speaker 1: only been in this arena for like a couple of years,
Speaker 1: but one thing I know is straight away from someone
Speaker 1: who is not part of the academic peer review world
Speaker 1: to someone who's sort of landed in the middle of it,
Speaker 1: it's just noticing, just objectively from the outside, how licky
Speaker 1: and kind of I'm going to say corrupt that the
Speaker 1: system is. Because I've seen people, uh friends and new
Speaker 1: friends of mine who have released peer review papers that
Speaker 1: have been they have proof that they've been actively tanked,
Speaker 1: or they like, you know, there's ways to it's very
Speaker 1: much a ice scratch your back, you scratch mine. It's
Speaker 1: it's not a very fair system, considering that it's about science,
Speaker 1: which should be fact first and data first. And and
Speaker 1: I was like, well, I think I think the whole
Speaker 1: system needs to slightly be reviewed. And I've been told
Speaker 1: time and time again how there's very sore stories of
Speaker 1: people genuinely trying to get their work out there and
Speaker 1: seen in the in the proper academic way. And they've had,
Speaker 1: they've had, they've been burnt. And yeah, so from someone
Speaker 1: who's like I've got I've got no, I've got no
Speaker 1: cards in the game as it were, for that, I
Speaker 1: can look at it and go, yeah, this is not
Speaker 1: fair guys.
Speaker 3: That Yeah, yeah, so what if you dare do? I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't remember him describing his work.
Speaker 1: Oh so he so he was a video editor, video editor. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and now now he works for like film television, and
Speaker 1: now he works teaching like multimedia to sort of college students.
Speaker 1: So he's he's now passing on the prof gotcha.
Speaker 3: I want to talk a little bit about some of
Speaker 3: these videos you've done in Egypt, because you did a
Speaker 3: series where you're actually at the Ossyrian and you're at
Speaker 3: some of these other places with Ben and uh that
Speaker 3: open minded group. But you did one that was pretty
Speaker 3: amazing on Assyrian Osyrian. What was impressive about that place
Speaker 3: for you?
Speaker 1: Oh, it's one of them.
Speaker 3: It's pretty amazing to begin with, it's so out of
Speaker 3: talk about out of place artifact. It's really amazing. I'm curious.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's I think it's the most most unique structure
Speaker 1: in Egypt. I'm going to say it, even above the pyramids.
Speaker 1: I'm going to say it because there are many, many pyramids,
Speaker 1: and there's just one Assyrian and it's for anybody who
Speaker 1: doesn't know there are there are two temples in Arswan
Speaker 1: down in lower Egypt, and one is the Temple of Seti.
Speaker 1: The first which is like all the Temple of Osiris,
Speaker 1: which is a kind of today's ground level, and it's
Speaker 1: a beautiful i want to say Middle Kingdom temple beautiful
Speaker 1: or innately it's covered like and it's rare because it's
Speaker 1: still got a lot of color on the walls, like
Speaker 1: original color. It's from the floor to the ceiling and
Speaker 1: everywhere it's just ornately beautifully carved and colored. And then
Speaker 1: if you go to the back of the temple literally
Speaker 1: like I'm going to say, in a maybe thirty feet
Speaker 1: below today's ground level, there is there is the top
Speaker 1: of another temple that goes five stories down into the earth.
Speaker 1: It's literally plugged into the earth, and not just plugged
Speaker 1: into the earth, sorry, it's plugged in and on top
Speaker 1: of an ancient aquifer that is still pulling up water,
Speaker 1: So there is a huge like nobody can work out
Speaker 1: how the hell the ancients built it because it's it's
Speaker 1: on an aquifer that goes down nine hundred meters. They've
Speaker 1: tried to modern day, they've tried to pump out the
Speaker 1: Assyrian to see how far down it goes, or to
Speaker 1: get more of a study on it, and there is
Speaker 1: no modern machine powerful enough to pump out the water
Speaker 1: because it's an aquifer. It just keeps flowing up from
Speaker 1: the bottom. So well, like, how the hell did they
Speaker 1: and this they've built it with fifteen meters it's about
Speaker 1: five floors five stories of granite that is built. It's
Speaker 1: like plugged into the earth. It's phenomenal and it's huge
Speaker 1: megalithic granite blocks like seventy tons. It's impressive from its
Speaker 1: size and its simplicity, just completely different to the one
Speaker 1: that's above ground level. It's my favorite place. It's so amazing,
Speaker 1: and it's today still full of water. It's got its
Speaker 1: like sort of pool of water. It's very very, very very.
Speaker 3: Well what would you say, I mean when you look
Speaker 3: at it, and I've been there a few times as well,
Speaker 3: there's no other buildings like that in all of Egypt.
Speaker 3: Number one and number two is do you get a
Speaker 3: sense of its age, because we haven't age, we haven't
Speaker 3: dated it. Of course they want to say it's from
Speaker 3: city to you know, which would be on a twenty
Speaker 3: five hundred BC, like four and a half five thousand
Speaker 3: years ago. But there's something that is ancient about that place.
Speaker 3: And I'm curious about your take on it. By the way,
Speaker 3: for those of you listening from the series that she
Speaker 3: produced called Hunting Ancient Technologies, which is very very cool,
Speaker 3: so talk about that.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So I think either my money would be on
Speaker 1: two options. Either it is a Fourth Dynasty or early
Speaker 1: early couple of dynasties build because the aesthetics of the
Speaker 1: megalithic blocks matched were very similar to the temple, the
Speaker 1: Sphinx Temple and the Valley Temple, and inside there is
Speaker 1: a there is like a vaulted ceiling that has the
Speaker 1: exact same dimensions as inside the second pyramid, the Middle Pyramid,
Speaker 1: and so you can see really similar architecture and design
Speaker 1: that's shared with what we attribute to the Fourth Dynasty.
Speaker 1: So either it is a Fourth Dynasty site or it
Speaker 1: is older, a lot older. And because I'm also holding
Speaker 1: a lot of space for the idea that some of
Speaker 1: the structures that we attribute to the fourth, third, fourth,
Speaker 1: fifth dynasty. I also think alternatively, there's a possibility that
Speaker 1: the third and fourth dynasties of Egypt had a massive
Speaker 1: renovation renaissance around that time, and actually they were rebuilding
Speaker 1: and recycling and renovating these older sites that kind of
Speaker 1: go off into antiquity. There is some parts of the
Speaker 1: Giza Plateau, the huge megalithic stuff. There's out of place erosion,
Speaker 1: some of the huge limestone blocks there that are just
Speaker 1: so phenomenally huge. Maybe potentially the base of the pyramids,
Speaker 1: I think that there is there's a potential that they
Speaker 1: are older than the Fourth dynasty. There's sphinx, for example,
Speaker 1: with the we have a reference in it in the
Speaker 1: text that the sphinx was repaired in the fourth dynasty,
Speaker 1: but it was also supposed to have been made at
Speaker 1: that time. So why would you make it and then
Speaker 1: repair it like when it's made of stone like stone
Speaker 1: repairs happen, yeah, recover us then through millennia, like you
Speaker 1: don't do it at the same time. So and also
Speaker 1: the argument that there is not a single icon, a
Speaker 1: single glyph, of how of people making pyramids, which is
Speaker 1: very suspect because the Egyptians kind of encoded so much
Speaker 1: about their life. They did how to make a pot,
Speaker 1: you know, how to, how to do this, how to,
Speaker 1: how to? And I was like, yeah, you didn't mention anywhere.
Speaker 1: There's no there's nothing showing how or what you know
Speaker 1: the pyramids. So so yeah, so I have a theory
Speaker 1: that the Assyrian is either Fourth Dynasty genuinely if it,
Speaker 1: or it's it's part of the oldest older stuff that
Speaker 1: that we attribute four.
Speaker 3: I mean, you you know about Randall Carlson's belief on
Speaker 3: the destruction a asteroid here, of course, Graham Handcock basis
Speaker 3: a lot of his work on an asteroid wiping out
Speaker 3: civilization right roughly five hundred BC, which is twelve thousand
Speaker 3: years ago. I'm of the feeling that a lot of
Speaker 3: these sites were built before that period and have been
Speaker 3: reused or repurposed. And what is your feeling on the
Speaker 3: Assyrian perhaps being some kind of machine that we just
Speaker 3: don't know how it works, or perhaps there's components that
Speaker 3: have been removed.
Speaker 1: The Assyrian, Well, there's something going on with the water there.
Speaker 1: So obviously it's such a huge phenomenal effort to build
Speaker 1: a five story temple below ground, below water in a
Speaker 1: flowing active aqua for and they built it there for
Speaker 1: a reason. For the water. The water is very much
Speaker 1: part and parcel of that building and that structure, and
Speaker 1: the water is its special they've they're doing they're running
Speaker 1: tests literally last July. They're going back for another set
Speaker 1: do There's a company called the Cedar Project a Cedar
Speaker 1: project dot org you can kind of follow the updates.
Speaker 1: Some scientists are going back and doing a lot of tests.
Speaker 1: They've tested all the water in the area and they've
Speaker 1: gone this water is separate and has separate properties to
Speaker 1: the other water. It's nothing, it's not coming from the nile.
Speaker 1: It's separate. And I think that it was sacred to
Speaker 1: the ancient people because I think the properties of the
Speaker 1: water probably had some sort of function. There is I
Speaker 1: mean a lot of it is stories in hearsay, but
Speaker 1: there is the guy mister Westerman, Jim Westerman, who is
Speaker 1: since the nineties, he's been helping the project to try
Speaker 1: and research the Assyrian and trying to pump it out
Speaker 1: and excavate it. So he said that he did his
Speaker 1: own experiment, and he just once they tested the water
Speaker 1: and found that it was not contaminated, it was essentially safe.
Speaker 1: They could clean it, and then he drank a lot
Speaker 1: of it. He said, he drank gallons and gallons and gallus.
Speaker 3: Oh my gross water.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they filtered it of it because it's kind of great.
Speaker 1: At the moment it would have been pure, but because
Speaker 1: of millennia and millennia of silt built up in the
Speaker 1: So if you look at the sort of pond that's
Speaker 1: in the center of the Assyrian the canal, sorry, that
Speaker 1: sort of goes around it. If you stick a sticker
Speaker 1: a pole, it only goes down probably about twelve feet
Speaker 1: before you hit a layer of silt mud. And they
Speaker 1: can't remove the mud because it's all part and parcel
Speaker 1: of the water in the aquifer. So, yeah, the water
Speaker 1: becomes a bit more stagnant today than it would have
Speaker 1: been in the past. And it's a horrible kind of
Speaker 1: green moldi color because it hasn't got the MUDs preventing it.
Speaker 1: So they did clean it. He filtered it, and then
Speaker 1: he drank like so much of it, and he said
Speaker 1: that nothing happened. He was absolutely fine, didn't really feel
Speaker 1: any different. And then it was later that he said
Speaker 1: he's had reading glasses for decades and it was only
Speaker 1: when he went to get his eyes tested for his
Speaker 1: driving license because he needed to renew it, that his
Speaker 1: vision was perfect. He didn't he glasses and he's not
Speaker 1: needed them. So he was like, I didn't do any
Speaker 1: and I think so he goes, I'm open to the
Speaker 1: idea that the Assyrian water fixed my eyesight.
Speaker 3: Was what was the idea behind him wanting to drink
Speaker 3: the water? Was there some passages were the locals talking about.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, there's legends. Yeah, people people go, People go
Speaker 1: to dip in the water, like they've done it for millennia.
Speaker 1: They believe locally, they believe that the water is sacred
Speaker 1: and the water has healing properties or blessing properties or
Speaker 1: fertility properties. I think women go for depth, try and
Speaker 1: bless get pregnant and all of that stuff doesn't come
Speaker 1: from nothing. Some Yeah, I always feel like there's no
Speaker 1: smoke without fire. There's always a kernel of truth to
Speaker 1: something and then also from it. So whether you believe
Speaker 1: that or not totally up to you. But from a
Speaker 1: science perspective, when they were there, they there is also
Speaker 1: some thermal, thermodynamic weird stuff that's going on with the
Speaker 1: water and they can't explain it. But the water from
Speaker 1: the Assyrian appears whenever they've done repeated testing to break
Speaker 1: the rules of thermo dynamics, and they can't yet debunk
Speaker 1: why it does that. It was it was I can't
Speaker 1: remember without like referring to my notes, but it was
Speaker 1: something to do with the temperature of the water when
Speaker 1: passing through some of the pipes. It was going from
Speaker 1: like hot to cold to hot, and it was it.
Speaker 3: Was some chemical reaction or something going on.
Speaker 1: It was, I mean, to do with the temperature. I
Speaker 1: think it's that with the laws of theamodynamics, is that
Speaker 1: like he can't pass through a cold and retain its heat,
Speaker 1: but it somehow does in the So yeah, you'll have
Speaker 1: to actually if you go and look at my video,
Speaker 1: I do a video on it.
Speaker 3: No, I mean, I haven't heard anything about healing waters,
Speaker 3: but there's a lot of temples in Egypt that have
Speaker 3: historical references as healing places, not just the Assyrian. We're
Speaker 3: going to take a short commercial break to allow our
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Speaker 3: my guest today Johanna James talking about ancient anomalies. Will
Speaker 3: be right back. We're speaking to Johanna James today from London, England,
Speaker 3: who has become interested in the ancient world and has
Speaker 3: traveled to Egypt, to various parts of the UK, and
Speaker 3: recently returned from Easter Island in the Pacific Ocean. This
Speaker 3: is interesting though, it's funny because we don't understand the
Speaker 3: properties of these ancient buildings and what they were used for.
Speaker 3: There could be some effect in those gigantic stones, could
Speaker 3: be crystalline energies that are going on. There could be
Speaker 3: toleric fields that are bathing the water that's going through there.
Speaker 3: And this gentleman who you're referring to must have had
Speaker 3: an insight to try to drink the water, because that's fird.
Speaker 1: I think it was.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think he'd heard obviously, he'd heard the local legends,
Speaker 1: he'd heard the law. And also I think the way
Speaker 1: that the temple is when you go down and descend,
Speaker 1: there's a kind of middle platform which is actually the
Speaker 1: top of the five story chambers, and then down the
Speaker 1: side in the moat, the water moat that drops fifteen
Speaker 1: meters like straight down, there is steps that descend from
Speaker 1: the center sort of platform. So I think obviously if
Speaker 1: you've got steps, you're designing people to get in and out.
Speaker 1: I think it was very much a place where people
Speaker 1: would descend into the water and descend out. And obviously
Speaker 1: we have like a human tradition of baptism and making
Speaker 1: clean and I think that could have come from something
Speaker 1: super ancient, super ancient idea of healing water. We're knowing
Speaker 1: now that like water, and especially like potentially you can
Speaker 1: get element fusions of elements with cavitated water. So there's
Speaker 1: something about moving water that you can it seems from
Speaker 1: a physics point of view that is potentially starting to
Speaker 1: connect with some very very ancient sort of magic and
Speaker 1: we're able to go actually the idea of alchemy of
Speaker 1: changing elements fusion. I think it all has to do
Speaker 1: with moving water and cavitating water.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's hieroglyphics on the entrance way down to the
Speaker 3: Osarien that I don't know if anyone's transcribed or being
Speaker 3: able to break through. And I wonder if some of
Speaker 3: those figures are priests that are leading people into the
Speaker 3: Assyrian for healing. Maybe that'd be amazing if it was
Speaker 3: a healing temple if we ever figured it out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think that the uh the hieroglyphs
Speaker 1: and the and the imagery that we get on the
Speaker 1: as I think the Assyrian originally was completely uh clean.
Speaker 1: I think it was originally completely imageless. I definitely think
Speaker 1: we're looking at a half finished later dynasty attempt to
Speaker 1: sort of maybe recycle and reuse the the older Assyrian
Speaker 1: because and the reason why I think that is I
Speaker 1: think that not unlike the temple above, only one wall
Speaker 1: has it down in the Assyrian arena, only one wall
Speaker 1: has got hieroglyphs on the other the other sides are
Speaker 1: not yet done. And they're also on the far side wall.
Speaker 1: You can see that they've some one has started and
Speaker 1: they've done maybe ten percent of scooping and smoothing down
Speaker 1: the limestone side walls. And once they and once they
Speaker 1: scooped them and like polish them flat, then they're able
Speaker 1: to do the hieroglyphs on because you can't do hieroglyphs
Speaker 1: on sort of like more three D bumpy walls. So
Speaker 1: there was I think that there was a sort of
Speaker 1: some they started the project and for some reason there
Speaker 1: was tools down and we see this one wall that's
Speaker 1: literally like it's like nobody paid the builders and they
Speaker 1: just walked out one day and never came back. And
Speaker 1: so that's why I can see sort of two stages
Speaker 1: in my mind. And I think originally the Assyrian didn't
Speaker 1: have any glyphs or imagery or very very much like
Speaker 1: all the stuff that's all that Fourth dynasty stuff at Gezer.
Speaker 1: There's pyramids, no, no glyphs.
Speaker 3: I keep thinking that at some point some kid from M. I.
Speaker 3: T and another car is going to come up with
Speaker 3: some kind of scanning tool that they can scan these buildings,
Speaker 3: these stones and not only get a sense of how
Speaker 3: they are carved, because that's a really big question. You know,
Speaker 3: you know copper chisels for sure, but what what's happening
Speaker 3: with the stonework. Is there something that's being passed through them?
Speaker 3: Are they irradiating some kind of energy? Are they is
Speaker 3: it a positive energy? Are they encoded? There's a lot
Speaker 3: of Indigenous people who believe that you can encode stone
Speaker 3: with information.
Speaker 1: And well, you can you can encode crystal with information
Speaker 1: one hundred. There's papers that you can that you can
Speaker 1: we can put data into the hold, data like computer
Speaker 1: data in crystals and granite specifically, the granite that's used
Speaker 1: a lot in Egypt is over fifty percent what's crystal,
Speaker 1: so it has the potential to hold data energy, piezoelectricity.
Speaker 1: So there's there's there's some fun link science stuff that
Speaker 1: has a lot of potential to be a.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean to be huge storage centers that were
Speaker 3: just sitting there and observing and going oh, how beautiful,
Speaker 3: and they're like please, we need to be accessed.
Speaker 1: In some way and actually interesting. So there's two There
Speaker 1: is two interesting things happening at the moment that you
Speaker 1: say about maybe machines that can look at stone and
Speaker 1: see how they were built or cut. Sorry, So I
Speaker 1: when I was in Egypt one of the early times,
Speaker 1: there was a chunk of polished granite that was sort
Speaker 1: of disregarded and it was in the it was in
Speaker 1: the rubble on the Giza Plateau, and I found this
Speaker 1: little sort of maybe hand sized chunk of it and
Speaker 1: it had the perfectly polished top and the right all
Speaker 1: the other sides, and I decided that I think one day,
Speaker 1: I was like, one day, I think this would be
Speaker 1: really useful for science. So what I'm going to do.
Speaker 1: I'm going to borrow it, and I'm going to keep
Speaker 1: it until somebody from the science world can have a
Speaker 1: look at this, and then I'm going to put it back,
Speaker 1: will put it in a museum or whatever. And so
Speaker 1: I held on to my my little piece of polished granite,
Speaker 1: and and it was just on my shelf for years.
Speaker 3: Going to say, because you know, it depends you know, I.
Speaker 1: Was very big. Nobody's listening to our conversation because just
Speaker 1: between you and me, I have a piece of granite,
Speaker 1: and I passed it to a science friend of mine
Speaker 1: I've recently met through Cosmic Summit and all this wonderful networking.
Speaker 1: And he has an SEM machine, which basically can magnify, magnify, magnify,
Speaker 1: have a look and he can look and see if
Speaker 1: there's any microscopic tool marks, elements, are there, is there
Speaker 1: any chemicals on there, like what can we rule out?
Speaker 1: So I gave that to him just before Cosmic Summit,
Speaker 1: and he is going to come back to me with
Speaker 1: the results of the SEM to see whether or not
Speaker 1: was there a particular chemical compound they were using. Because
Speaker 1: it's still so that's one of the things that the
Speaker 1: academic world and the archaeologists. They still don't have an
Speaker 1: answer on how that level of Polish in the ancient
Speaker 1: world was achieved. It's still it's still in the we
Speaker 1: don't know pile, and we're not going to really pursue
Speaker 1: it pile. So so I'm waiting for the SEM results
Speaker 1: on the Polish gisogranite. And then Ben from X he's
Speaker 1: been doing his own project independently of this scanning with
Speaker 1: the SEM. The the amazing vases and vases that the
Speaker 1: pre dynastic vases that just have insane accuracy and precision
Speaker 1: and mathematics encoded into them. So they recently went under
Speaker 1: the SCM and they found that in the tool marks
Speaker 1: you know, timed times one hundred and the macro photography,
Speaker 1: they found zircon and iron I believe, and titanium so
Speaker 1: that they can't they've only had it's only been one
Speaker 1: you know, it's not like it's not for sure, but
Speaker 1: this is they're just saying that these are the elements
Speaker 1: that they have found kind of embedded into the granite.
Speaker 1: I at a microscopic level, this is the sort of
Speaker 1: the that there's compounds in there, and so they're not
Speaker 1: saying it definitely is. But it's looking a hell of
Speaker 1: a lot likely that there was metallurgy pre dynastic Okay,
Speaker 1: and if anything so so, I'm really yeah, and that'd
Speaker 1: be really interesting if that, if similar or the same
Speaker 1: compounds turn up on the polished granite, that would that
Speaker 1: would then we're starting to look at a situation where
Speaker 1: we're like, Okay, this has happened more than once. It's
Speaker 1: looking like so so yeah, but this is And it's
Speaker 1: crazy because you're like, why why now that we have
Speaker 1: the technology and the sem machines and we have the
Speaker 1: ability to look into this, like why is every ancient
Speaker 1: artifact not being because it doesn't damage them to go
Speaker 1: in the air, it's just photography. So I was like,
Speaker 1: why are we not doing this with everything? Why are
Speaker 1: we not looking microscopically? Chemical analysis? The chemical analysis of
Speaker 1: the Giza plateau coming out there is insane. There's all
Speaker 1: kinds And what's interesting is each pyramid has different chemical compounds,
Speaker 1: which nobody can really explain why that is. I mean,
Speaker 1: why should they, But there's there's distinct different chemical compounds
Speaker 1: coming up in different pyramids. Yeah, I think I'm curious
Speaker 1: going on.
Speaker 3: You were over there and you went to the ser
Speaker 3: PM and you've been to the inside of the pyramid
Speaker 3: and things like that for some reason, and I was
Speaker 3: just there a few months ago. If you talk to
Speaker 3: the field archaeologists that are in charge of these different
Speaker 3: areas and you ask them, why aren't you doing ground
Speaker 3: penetrating radar or light our scans which can discover sub
Speaker 3: surface stuff, they don't. They don't want to use it.
Speaker 1: They are not it was very expensive.
Speaker 3: Well that's very expensive, but you know they're going to
Speaker 3: uncover significant new references to this stuff if they begin
Speaker 3: to do some ground I mean, the Giza plateau is
Speaker 3: rarely scanned, you know, and there's all kinds of tunnels
Speaker 3: underneath this.
Speaker 1: Oh, there's there's so much. Actually, over the years since
Speaker 1: twenty twenties that I've been going to Egypt, we have
Speaker 1: been even from in twenty twenty we saw the kid
Speaker 1: from the Japanese team, I think the Swedish team. There
Speaker 1: was a whole there was like a whole lot of
Speaker 1: international Yeah, the pyramid. It was a lot of international
Speaker 1: teams working on that and they were scanning a whole
Speaker 1: bunch of stuff. And I think that they've found I
Speaker 1: think they've found a lot of stuff. And they've only
Speaker 1: announced the void above the Grant Gallery, and they've only
Speaker 1: they only announced that weird sort of entrance tunnel. I
Speaker 1: think I think they're spacing it out to keep the tourism.
Speaker 1: They're not going to let it go Amongo. I think
Speaker 1: they're is way more and I think we're going to
Speaker 1: see every couple of years, we're going to see, oh,
Speaker 1: they've just discovered No, that came out in twenty twenty
Speaker 1: in the scans when they were scanning it.
Speaker 3: I know, it's like four years ago. You know, it's like,
Speaker 3: and what's what about the big void above the King's
Speaker 3: chamber that everyone's curious about?
Speaker 1: You know, that is amazing. It's so huge, and it's
Speaker 1: like what and that That always makes me laugh because
Speaker 1: you know, the the like official academic reason of why
Speaker 1: there's two chambers in the Great Pyramid, because they go, well,
Speaker 1: why would you why did they bother building two chambers
Speaker 1: if there's just one pharaoh, like one dead guy? And
Speaker 1: the official reason is, oh, while they were building it,
Speaker 1: they built what they now called the Queen's Chamber, and
Speaker 1: they realized it wasn't quite right or it was too small,
Speaker 1: and they change anyway, they changed their mind and they
Speaker 1: decided to then build the next one. Okay, cool, Then
Speaker 1: why is there a massive another one? Like do you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Then it doesn't make sense because
Speaker 1: and also there is no way that that pyramid, that
Speaker 1: structure is built to within a minimeter of it. The
Speaker 1: torrents are insane. The specs of the King's Chamber, it's
Speaker 1: everything there was done to It was like the krem
Speaker 1: de la creme precision. It's showing off for how good
Speaker 1: they are. There is no way that they were just
Speaker 1: doing it ad hoc and you know, changing their mind,
Speaker 1: Like you can't just change the design. It's all interconnected.
Speaker 1: It's all for a reason. I find it. It's like
Speaker 1: really insulting to just say that they were like, ah,
Speaker 1: you know, they changed, they pivoted the idea at the
Speaker 1: last minute. I'm like, no, absolutely not.
Speaker 3: You were in the I were kind of riview a
Speaker 3: little bit. You were in the Bent pyramid in twenty
Speaker 3: twenty and you actually film yourself going down the chef,
Speaker 3: which I believe is a maintenance chef, because there's no
Speaker 3: way that a body of a dead person the Mummy,
Speaker 3: is going to be dropped in way but you're halfway
Speaker 3: down this tunnel and you're thinking and you're saying this
Speaker 3: to yourself, and this happens to me too. You're going,
Speaker 3: you know what, this is kind of irritating. I feel
Speaker 3: like I'm getting claustrophobic, and I'm having to really prepare
Speaker 3: myself and think about And you get to the very
Speaker 3: bottom and there's no They don't put any pumpany air
Speaker 3: into these pyramids, which is stupid. It's hot, much nicer,
Speaker 3: but talk about that experience. And because you're in this
Speaker 3: maintenance chat with people heavy ahead of you and behind you,
Speaker 3: and it's slowly kind of collapsing down and you can
Speaker 3: see the panic on your Yeah, I've been there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, pyramid runs are tough by That's something I never thought.
Speaker 1: So people have this idea that they can kind of
Speaker 1: just walk, I don't know, walk into some lovely steps
Speaker 1: inside the pyramid, a little look around there somehow maybe
Speaker 1: that they're like empty on the inside and they're like
Speaker 1: this massive room. No pyramid. You have to crawl down
Speaker 1: a three foot by three foot shaft that goes on
Speaker 1: for nineteen It descends for ninety meters. It is one
Speaker 1: of the longest thing and it just it goes on
Speaker 1: and on and on. It's like an infinity mirror and
Speaker 1: you're going down and that it's really disorientating. Yeah, you're hot.
Speaker 1: You can't stand up because it's three foot by three foot.
Speaker 1: You can't even fit two people go inside by side.
Speaker 1: It is a one person at a time, one way scenario.
Speaker 1: These things are, like you said, maintenance shaft or potentially
Speaker 1: water shaft or it's an access for something that is
Speaker 1: not for a human and one hundred percent not for
Speaker 1: the procession of a dead body. And I'm really annoyed
Speaker 1: that I didn't do it, But on my last trip
Speaker 1: to Egypt, I actually prepared and bought a inflatable blow
Speaker 1: up body, like a kind of I think it was
Speaker 1: like a beach toy that was like an inflatable body.
Speaker 1: And my plan was I was going to get in
Speaker 1: the pyramid, inflate it, and just demonstrate at how ridiculous
Speaker 1: and unceremonious and like hilarious it would be to try
Speaker 1: and drag a body ninety meters down this tunnel and
Speaker 1: then drag it up. It's it would have been so
Speaker 1: disrespectful the pharaoh, which is it's like comical, it's comical.
Speaker 1: But I didn't do it because I didn't want to
Speaker 1: get chucked out of Egypt. But I think I might
Speaker 1: do it on the next time because I'm kind of
Speaker 1: at the point where I'm like, well, it's going to happen.
Speaker 3: Sometimes you're brave. You just push on, you know, even
Speaker 3: though you're having claustrophobic feelings, things closing in on you.
Speaker 1: I am a chlaustrophobic. I'm the worst person to be
Speaker 1: on a mission to go and explore these places because
Speaker 1: I have I have quite bad chastrophobia.
Speaker 3: So very well, congratulations you did it. You have to
Speaker 3: push myself.
Speaker 1: Pyramids I can handle because I know that when you
Speaker 1: get to the end of the tiny three foot tunnel,
Speaker 1: it does open out a little bit. Whereas I really
Speaker 1: struggled in Darren Coo. You you know the underground city
Speaker 1: in Turkey.
Speaker 3: Oh you did, Darren Kuru, I did.
Speaker 1: I did that.
Speaker 3: I just got back from there. Yeah, I was in
Speaker 3: there and I got I went to the third level
Speaker 3: and that I had to get the hell out of there.
Speaker 1: It was just yeah, I think I went four levels
Speaker 1: down and I was on the verge of a panic attack.
Speaker 1: I I it's really my custrophoby is really bad, Like
Speaker 1: I can't my lum will stop working. I can't, I
Speaker 1: can't get any air in and my hands go like
Speaker 1: sweaty as a fish. And I was just I was
Speaker 1: asking my friends on the tour behind me. I was like,
Speaker 1: ask me anything, just trap me of anything. And I
Speaker 1: was trying to get them to keep me talking, to
Speaker 1: try and shock my brain out, because.
Speaker 3: It really is your your but your hand tell you
Speaker 3: noticed the air, because that's why I was just there.
Speaker 3: They engineered the chefs that brought in air. That's the
Speaker 3: only thing that kept me going is that they had
Speaker 3: fresh air. And oh yeah with their level that I mean,
Speaker 3: I was tough. I mean I felt panicky. I had
Speaker 3: to bite my tongue, but the air quality was enough
Speaker 3: to keep me going.
Speaker 1: It was it was the steps between the floors. They
Speaker 1: are they are so tiny. They're they're only like sort
Speaker 1: of two foot wide, and it's so much so that
Speaker 1: you cannot cross if people are coming down and you're
Speaker 1: coming up, someone has to go backwards. And it was
Speaker 1: being stuck in the small staircase. So I was okay
Speaker 1: when I got to the floor, Like you said, with
Speaker 1: the air, the fresh air that was coming out, But
Speaker 1: it was the it was the steps that was in
Speaker 1: between the floors and the amount of people that were
Speaker 1: coming up and down, and I was just nope. I
Speaker 1: was like, people are going to have to carry me
Speaker 1: out of there, so I would be going back down
Speaker 1: there once was enough for me.
Speaker 3: Can you imagine twenty thousand people being u oh department?
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know how they were, they still
Speaker 3: where they stayed.
Speaker 1: You know, it's crazy, it's insane. But yeah, that was
Speaker 1: It's tough. I feel like I realized the other day,
Speaker 1: I feel like Bilbo Baggins because I'm I'm such a hobbit.
Speaker 1: I love being at home. I love my home comforts.
Speaker 1: I just I love a slow life. I love food.
Speaker 1: And then for some I feel like I've been called
Speaker 1: and I'm not the most unqualified, not right person for
Speaker 1: the mission, but I've been called to go off and
Speaker 1: explore these ancient science and yeah, I'm claustrophobic. I'm a vegetarian,
Speaker 1: which doesn't go down well in a lot of these countries.
Speaker 1: I don't know what a vegetarian is, so I end
Speaker 1: up like not eating like for a few weeks.
Speaker 3: Oh you're flat, you know, meat whatsoever for you? Not
Speaker 3: even eggs?
Speaker 1: Are you or is it I eat eggs? I don't
Speaker 1: eat meat. But it's it's really interesting. Like in in
Speaker 1: Turkey they were like, oh.
Speaker 3: So chicken.
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, no, no meat, no, no kebabs, you
Speaker 1: no kebabs. So it's a it's a lot of a
Speaker 1: lot of bread, a couple of weeks of bread and
Speaker 1: and and they get they legit gave me a raw onion.
Speaker 3: Well you did it. And people live vicariously through your observations.
Speaker 3: You got it on there on your videos. Yeah, that's good. Hey,
Speaker 3: as we're we get to the end here, I want
Speaker 3: you to talk about this amazing sight in India, the
Speaker 3: Barra Bar Caves, because I have seen pictures of it.
Speaker 3: It looks like it's machined. It it's just too perfect.
Speaker 3: And I think in your analysis they they hypothesize that
Speaker 3: it was cut with some machinery.
Speaker 1: It would it's the specifications on the caves. They're called caves,
Speaker 1: but caves is like it's not the right word for them.
Speaker 2: They are.
Speaker 1: Intricately shaped like internal. Would they be word for them? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess in the word English, we only have caves.
Speaker 1: But that's not quite right. They are. There's seven of
Speaker 1: them in a very very remote part bar bar Is
Speaker 1: the area in India, and they are just utterly remarkable.
Speaker 1: They are made out of granite. They're cut out of
Speaker 1: a of a granite mountain and inside the rooms, these
Speaker 1: rooms that have got most amazing mathematical shapes, like perfect
Speaker 1: verical vaulted ceilings, right and and and they've been scanned
Speaker 1: by the team. A French film production company found out
Speaker 1: about them, went out and they've been they've been really
Speaker 1: pioneering a lot of scientific exploration there. And I was
Speaker 1: so honored that I got to help the project by
Speaker 1: providing the English narration for their their documentaries.
Speaker 3: While wondering how you okay?
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I got put in contact with them and
Speaker 1: I volunteered my services because I with having an actors background,
Speaker 1: I was like, if you ever need an English voice,
Speaker 1: because you're you're French. They make the films in French,
Speaker 1: but they wanted to reach like obviously the wider English audience.
Speaker 1: So I've done two and I'm about to go back
Speaker 1: and do the third one for them. But they really
Speaker 1: bought Barbara to my attention, and I couldn't believe how
Speaker 1: amazing it is that they're cut from granite. They are
Speaker 1: polished better than anything that you find in Egypt. The
Speaker 1: level of polishing. They took a roughness surface roughness tester
Speaker 1: and they found that it is the closest thing to
Speaker 1: it is modern day glass. It is a couple of
Speaker 1: microns away from modern manufactured glass. That's how they've got
Speaker 1: the granite stone. They in fact that you don't really
Speaker 1: see it on the documentary, but they told me in
Speaker 1: real life that they had a real difficulty capturing the
Speaker 1: caves on camera because there's almost like a translucent bit
Speaker 1: like an eyeball. There's like a translucent layer to the
Speaker 1: wall that's perfectly and when you put a camera on
Speaker 1: it or to try and photograph it, you're actually seeing
Speaker 1: through this clear layer and you're seeing more of the
Speaker 1: rough surface behind it. So they were like, it's really
Speaker 1: difficult to show you unless you go with your eyes
Speaker 1: to see just how amazingly smooth it is. It looks
Speaker 1: almost like metal from Afar. Look when you google it,
Speaker 1: if you google bar and Barcaves, it looks like they're
Speaker 1: these sort of metallic metal futuristic bunkers.
Speaker 3: Do they have a sense of what they could be
Speaker 3: where they apartments, where they storage units, and is there
Speaker 3: any local law or mythology that says these were cut
Speaker 3: by the gods because they're just out of place, they're
Speaker 3: very out.
Speaker 1: They're historically they're attributed to They get dated because there
Speaker 1: are a couple of inscriptions on some not all of
Speaker 1: the caves, and some of the caves have double inscriptions
Speaker 1: as well, which is always a sign of maybe, let's
Speaker 1: take a pinch of salt with the inscriptions. But the
Speaker 1: inscriptions talk about a king called a Shoka and another
Speaker 1: king who is the son of the grandson, gifting caves
Speaker 1: to the peasant population as shelter from the rain in
Speaker 1: like the monsoon season. It doesn't talk it doesn't talk
Speaker 1: about making them. It just talks about donating them. All
Speaker 1: of them. All of the inscriptions say something along the
Speaker 1: lines of donated, gifted, passed on and yeah. So their
Speaker 1: purpose technically in historical academia is that they were sheltered
Speaker 1: from the rain, which is ridiculous because if you're sheltering
Speaker 1: from the rain, you don't need there's no need to
Speaker 1: precision cut, shape and polish grantite. There's just no there's
Speaker 1: no function to that they're not. And we know that
Speaker 1: historically India, India's aesthetic is they love fantastically ornate, decorative,
Speaker 1: detailed temples and structures. So and there is not a
Speaker 1: single piece of what we would call, you know, Indian
Speaker 1: decoration inside any of the caves. And so, yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't I have a feeling that Ashoka the king had
Speaker 1: no idea what it was that he was giving.
Speaker 3: He inherited it during his reign they found these caves.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they did well.
Speaker 3: They did after my dynasty or something.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's it's it's there's there's seven of them
Speaker 1: and the team that have gone out and they've done
Speaker 1: these really really high tech three D scannings, like really
Speaker 1: accurate scannings of each the caves, and when they're analyzing it,
Speaker 1: they're realizing that the rooms have the most amazing symmetry
Speaker 1: to them. Sometimes it's plus it's seventy five percent symmetrical,
Speaker 1: which is also taking into the account the fact that
Speaker 1: the cameras from the three D scanners, the walls were
Speaker 1: so polished it was slightly throwing off like the scanning
Speaker 1: points because of the refraction of the lasers. So they
Speaker 1: had to say conservatively, these caves are like seventy five
Speaker 1: percent symmetrical, which for a human eye to achieve that
Speaker 1: we're talking you really once if you I mean, I
Speaker 1: didn't know anything about mass. This is where I've really
Speaker 1: had to sit down and put my head together. But
Speaker 1: the just how amazing and impossible it is to achieve
Speaker 1: by hand, like a moving arc of symmetry. You've got
Speaker 1: you've got curved, vaulted ceilings that just transitioned perfectly into
Speaker 1: and the walls that the parallel walls, they're not even
Speaker 1: straight vertically straight, they're all all every cave is inverted slightly,
Speaker 1: which is insane because it's one thing to polish a
Speaker 1: wall on the vertical, but another thing to keep accurately
Speaker 1: like eighty two degrees on the wonk, all by hand.
Speaker 1: So they sent out twelve stone mason experts to just
Speaker 1: give their opinion on it, and all of them said
Speaker 1: that the difficulty level out of ten would be like
Speaker 1: eleven twelve. They had no idea with the tools in
Speaker 1: the record of Indian archaeology, how they would achieve this
Speaker 1: level of maths, no idea how the architect would even
Speaker 1: design it. Because another thing is that they're all all
Speaker 1: of the like the volume. Even though each cave is
Speaker 1: unique shape and different to another one, they all have
Speaker 1: like mathematically, they all have matching volumes, and they have
Speaker 1: not sorry, not matching volumes, but they there's like a
Speaker 1: there's an interconnection between the mathematically they work together.
Speaker 3: Each room is uniquely similar.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so even though they're different shapes. Let me go,
Speaker 1: that's right, that even though they're different shapes, the way
Speaker 1: that they calculated the volume of each room, like in
Speaker 1: three D space, they could prove that it was the same.
Speaker 1: It was the same system of calculation.
Speaker 3: We're gonna take another quick break to allow our sponsors
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Speaker 3: guest today, Johanna James, discussing ancient anomalies. We'll see you
Speaker 3: in a bit. M My guest today is Johannah James.
Speaker 3: She is coming to us from London, England. She has
Speaker 3: delved into the questions of our ancient past. It has
Speaker 3: some really nice programs on YouTube. You can see her
Speaker 3: at Funny Old World, which she produces on a regular basis.
Speaker 3: This is what I want to ask you. You sent
Speaker 3: me some notes on this. You actually say that they
Speaker 3: did some harmonics testing and it says what does it
Speaker 3: say here? It says test results from sound equipment. A
Speaker 3: focus point eighty centimeters from the floor in the center
Speaker 3: of the dome exposes seventy five hurts speaker.
Speaker 1: It explodes. Yes, so.
Speaker 3: Does that mean?
Speaker 1: So it turns out that the reason why there was
Speaker 1: all these crazy maths and the reason why the war
Speaker 1: are diverted like three degrees or inverted three degrees. Sorry,
Speaker 1: it's it's because it's all part of how you are
Speaker 1: pushing and shaping sound in the room. And there is
Speaker 1: a point, especially in some of the room that have domes.
Speaker 1: They have like in the State, if you went to
Speaker 1: the very center of the dome, it's focusing the projection
Speaker 1: of the sound into that one place. And when they
Speaker 1: did the sound experience and the sound testing, they put
Speaker 1: a Bose speaker in the very center, and when they
Speaker 1: did they played all different kinds of music to test
Speaker 1: all different kinds of sounds and acoustics. And when they
Speaker 1: played seventy when they hit seventy five hurts on the speaker,
Speaker 1: the speaker exploded, and then it happened, and then it
Speaker 1: happened again. So they actually went through two both speakers.
Speaker 1: One of the most expensive experiments they've ever had to do.
Speaker 1: But yeah, they were literally the speaker just blew up.
Speaker 3: Very behind the harmonics of the cave. Does that mean
Speaker 3: that it's is that have to do with the level
Speaker 3: of perfection in the cut and it's creating this or
Speaker 3: is there something that we're not paying attention to that
Speaker 3: we don't get.
Speaker 1: Apparently that so sound that you can like manipulate sound
Speaker 1: because of the way the structure is and the way
Speaker 1: that it's polished, it's manipulating sound. They say that it's
Speaker 1: it's you can't hear anybody talk. It becomes impossible to hear,
Speaker 1: like a speech is unintelligible from about fifty centimeters away
Speaker 1: from someone, which means that they can pretty confidently rule
Speaker 1: out that they weren't made.
Speaker 4: For like.
Speaker 1: Speaking or like a lecture hall or anything like that,
Speaker 1: because it's just completely impractical. You can't hear what you
Speaker 1: can't distinguish what someone's saying. They also found that that
Speaker 1: the sound is being it's being sort of guided in
Speaker 1: the room to this center point where where speakers explode
Speaker 1: at seventy five hertz, And also it is most sort
Speaker 1: of all the sound is sort of hitting about eighty
Speaker 1: centimeters off the floor from the center of this dome space,
Speaker 1: which somebody pointed out is roughly where a human head
Speaker 1: would be if the average adult sat on the floor
Speaker 1: in the center of the dome, it's gonna the vibrations
Speaker 1: of the sound are going to hit right at where
Speaker 1: a human head would be. So that's where you can
Speaker 1: start theorizing. Okay, well, if you were use if sound
Speaker 1: and sound frequency are so important and encoded in these caves,
Speaker 1: was that their function? Was it something to do with sound?
Speaker 1: And if you sat a person in the middle, were
Speaker 1: you able to communicate, were you able to like plug
Speaker 1: into something with frequencies? It's it's like there's a it's weird.
Speaker 1: Probably four you've got four or five pieces of like
Speaker 1: a twelve piece puzzle. You're missing over half of it.
Speaker 1: But you've got sit in there going how could this work?
Speaker 1: Goodness work? So it's phenomenal, without a doubt. They are
Speaker 1: not just forgiving peasants a place to stay out of
Speaker 1: the rain. They've got. There's way too much.
Speaker 3: This French group used trying to play instruments or play
Speaker 3: music to see what the resonance was in those caves.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they got, they got. They got male and female
Speaker 1: shamans to come in and sing all different kind of
Speaker 1: notes and frequencies. They played music, every kind of frug
Speaker 1: that they played different kinds of music. I think they
Speaker 1: did do get in musical instruments. They also did sound
Speaker 1: testing where they did like balloon explosions. I think they
Speaker 1: exploded hundreds of balloons and they recorded each one and
Speaker 1: and that's how they were able to work out and
Speaker 1: map exactly where the sound is diverting and they could
Speaker 1: work out, Oh, the reason why the walls are inverted
Speaker 1: is because it's got it's got a purpose, got function.
Speaker 1: That's why they went for all that effort of there's
Speaker 1: a reason why the polish is there, because it's it's
Speaker 1: doing something to this. If it's reflect reflecting the light
Speaker 1: is doing something to the sound, it's something.
Speaker 3: Did they have a hypothesis or did they come up
Speaker 3: with the kind of the thought that this is for healing,
Speaker 3: this is for communication, this is for is there any
Speaker 3: is there any vague hypothesis of what could be?
Speaker 1: No? The fund the fun bit is that their style
Speaker 1: is they just they just present scientific fact and they're
Speaker 1: not so much about trying to impose theory at this point,
Speaker 1: they're just going, this is what we found. This is
Speaker 1: what experts say, like you are you? You can you
Speaker 1: know theorize for yourself.
Speaker 3: Talked to somebody in it. That's very odd, you know,
Speaker 3: because it's been cut such a freak such a way
Speaker 3: that your voice is muddled or it is captured and
Speaker 3: diffused in some way. Maybe you're maybe it's a place
Speaker 3: to use tele telepathy. I meant telepathy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And considering that there is there is well there's
Speaker 1: seven of them. There are five completed and two uncomplete.
Speaker 1: It wouldn't be an ancient site in the world if
Speaker 1: there wasn't an uncomplete part of something. There's Yeah, but
Speaker 1: I was wondering because there is like a mathematical connection
Speaker 1: to the way that they were designed. I think that
Speaker 1: they are probably connected in other ways. They did discover
Speaker 1: on the recent trip, which you can see way more
Speaker 1: the documentary about two hours long, the bar a bar caves,
Speaker 1: So definitely take time to go and watch that if
Speaker 1: you're if you're listening. But they did discover, and they
Speaker 1: only discovered this because they were able to use the
Speaker 1: three D scanning. But there's one there are two caves
Speaker 1: which are kind of opposite sides of the same sort
Speaker 1: of hump of mountain, so they are you can't see
Speaker 1: one from the other one like visually, it's over the
Speaker 1: other side of the mountain. However, when they looked at
Speaker 1: the scans and they could see that the entrance path
Speaker 1: to both caves are aligned and to each other, which
Speaker 1: is how you did that back in the day. They'd
Speaker 1: have to go over the mountain and somehow be able
Speaker 1: to work out exactly without being able to see. But
Speaker 1: they've aligned to each other. And not only that, but
Speaker 1: the alignment of the the alignment of the entrance ways
Speaker 1: perfectly cuts north south east west. It's like it's like
Speaker 1: and you can only again see that from like bird's
Speaker 1: eye view, and you can only we can only tell
Speaker 1: that it was even aligned to each other because of
Speaker 1: these really detailed three D scan technology. It's not something
Speaker 1: that you could work out with your with human eyes
Speaker 1: or yeah, by the eye by eyesight. So I think
Speaker 1: that we're going to find more and more evidence that
Speaker 1: each cave this connected. And I like to think personally
Speaker 1: that potentially they the caves can use sound frequency and
Speaker 1: what if you had one. I was like what if
Speaker 1: have we tried yet putting one person in every cave
Speaker 1: at the same time and everybody humming or doing music
Speaker 1: to the frequency that each of those caves is. You know,
Speaker 1: maybe they all activate together in like a symphony and
Speaker 1: maybe that unlocks something. Or maybe in the way that
Speaker 1: me and you are talking right now, like we were
Speaker 1: able to communicate from different places, is there a way
Speaker 1: that we can like lock into some sort of.
Speaker 3: Global mystical or etheric level or something.
Speaker 1: Some sort of some sort of zero point or you know,
Speaker 1: there's definitely they shut there. I think there's so much
Speaker 1: stuff to be for, like science, stuff to be discovered
Speaker 1: in ancient shamanic ways. And I think that sound frequency
Speaker 1: is one hundred percent one of them. And idea a
Speaker 1: lot of people like kind of palm off like meditation
Speaker 1: and and chanting and humming and stuff. But I think
Speaker 1: that there's something magic, but we call it magic, but
Speaker 1: I think there's something really scientific that we're probably missing
Speaker 1: out on, or we have the machine of some.
Speaker 3: Cain and there was no mythology, no lore about the
Speaker 3: caves by the local indigenous people.
Speaker 1: They do mention, they do mention in the music, in
Speaker 1: the music, and they do mention in the in the
Speaker 1: movie that there is a there is a similar cave
Speaker 1: that it's not it's not one of the established seven
Speaker 1: caves of bar Bar, but there is a there is
Speaker 1: a very small, smaller version which is still being used
Speaker 1: by a sort of religious sect in India. They can't
Speaker 1: that the group couldn't quite ascertain whether or not it
Speaker 1: was up to spec to say that it was part
Speaker 1: of the original caves. It might be a replica, or
Speaker 1: it might be something that just because still in use
Speaker 1: and it's been used, it's it's been it's maybe it's
Speaker 1: been eroded, and so that's why the specs don't match
Speaker 1: the accuracy of the other one. But the the law
Speaker 1: around that specific cave by this religious sector is that
Speaker 1: it was made by the gods.
Speaker 3: Oh there you go, right there and so old that
Speaker 3: there's no reference. So the gods made it.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so.
Speaker 3: This is we try to stay away from the ancient
Speaker 3: aliens and there we go.
Speaker 1: So that's yeah, made by the gods. But that but
Speaker 1: that one isn't sort of been one of the main
Speaker 1: severn But it's a very very similar. It could it
Speaker 1: couldn't it couldn't. It it's to be official.
Speaker 3: It sounds like it's very very old, you know when
Speaker 3: I think it's very polish in the cuts and the
Speaker 3: design and its placement. It's like, Wow, somebody with the
Speaker 3: physics and science beyond our understanding is using this and
Speaker 3: creating this for some purpose. Wow.
Speaker 1: And also just how how physically you would How did
Speaker 1: you see? Because because the accuracy is like another level,
Speaker 1: it's another level accurate, another level difficult. You've got you're
Speaker 1: doing a curved ceiling that has three different like radiuses
Speaker 1: that you have to follow to like make it that shape.
Speaker 1: It's so complex, and you're doing that inside like twenty
Speaker 1: five foot into a granite cave. What how did you see?
Speaker 1: And there's no evidence for fire? So what was and
Speaker 1: there's no sunlight because the entrances to these caves are
Speaker 1: sort of door size, like you know, human door size.
Speaker 1: So when you're when you're down twenty foot five foot
Speaker 1: down down the massive room and you're working on your
Speaker 1: bit carving out your precise inverted ceiling or whatever it
Speaker 1: is that the worker was doing, one, how did you
Speaker 1: see too? How did you not die from the dust
Speaker 1: of polishing that much? That's a lot of the things
Speaker 1: that the professional Stonemasons were really scratching their heads. They
Speaker 1: were like, we don't we don't know how, we don't
Speaker 1: know how we would do this today. I couldn't. I
Speaker 1: couldn't make this today. If you gave me a bunch
Speaker 1: of tools and fifty years, I couldn't give you this.
Speaker 1: So I guess it's we're miss we're missing, we're missing
Speaker 1: a tool, we're missing a process that's just completely lost.
Speaker 3: And money day things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, say whether that was yeah, really.
Speaker 3: Really Johannah, wonderful meeting you. I can say you're very
Speaker 3: passionate about this. I think you mentioned that this is
Speaker 3: your full time gig. Now you got your your YouTube
Speaker 3: channel and you have a podcast, so you're rocking it right.
Speaker 3: You're you're you're becoming plugged. You are plugged in, very
Speaker 3: plugged in.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, we're very convinced that I met Luke Cavin's
Speaker 1: in the well. I found him online and we just
Speaker 1: sort of became content buddies online, and then he got
Speaker 1: the opportunity to join the Cosmic Summit presenters and and
Speaker 1: so we met there a couple of years ago and
Speaker 1: just stayed in touch and we were like, hey, like,
Speaker 1: because one thing is being a content creator or a
Speaker 1: YouTuber and doing a lot of this research is hours
Speaker 1: and hours of research and just on your own, like
Speaker 1: I can get the Christmas party sucks because there's nobody
Speaker 1: there but me. It's a very lonely. So we were like, hey,
Speaker 1: why don't we do a like a kind of research
Speaker 1: podcast and we kind of invite people to join our
Speaker 1: journey and we can kind of explore some of these
Speaker 1: topics together and we'll just you know, once or twice
Speaker 1: a month, we'll do it all live. And yeah, like
Speaker 1: why not. So we're a couple of weeks. I think
Speaker 1: we're about six episodes into Raiders of the Past, and yeah,
Speaker 1: we're committed to making that. And yeah, so I'm enjoying
Speaker 1: I'm joined doing my own thing. I'm funny, ol well,
Speaker 1: but I'm really enjoying buddying up with someone.
Speaker 3: That's excellent. Yeah, because it is kind of lowly out
Speaker 3: here in the podcast land. You're sitting in your room,
Speaker 3: you're talking to people, and then when they when they
Speaker 3: go away, you're like, Okay, I guess I got to
Speaker 3: edit this thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like no, yeah, there's a lot of there's a
Speaker 1: lot going on. So so yeah, it's really fun and
Speaker 1: also the shout out to the sort of ancient history
Speaker 1: community online, like there are so many amazing people that
Speaker 1: reach out and it's so passionate.
Speaker 4: And.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's amazing, and everybody's really valuable because everyone's looking
Speaker 1: at it from a slightly different lens. I've met I've
Speaker 1: met people who are coming from academic background, or met
Speaker 1: people coming from sort of technical their technicians or stonemasons
Speaker 1: or or even artists or like everyone's got like a
Speaker 1: they can look at something and going oh that upside
Speaker 1: down or what have you thought?
Speaker 3: And it's just like, of course, so yeah, every great,
Speaker 3: but you know, it's funny because the academic world doesn't
Speaker 3: appreciate that. And if you've been following Graham Hancock on
Speaker 3: his Ancient Apocalypse, he was got a really mean letter
Speaker 3: from the Association of Archaeologists in America saying, how dare
Speaker 3: you question history and even consider an ancient unknown civilization?
Speaker 3: And by the way, Ancient Apocalypse Part two is in October,
Speaker 3: So here we go again. Yeah, October sixteenth is part one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, here we go again, actually again.
Speaker 3: So it opens a pandoric box for him.
Speaker 1: The team from Ancient Architects, they off straight after that
Speaker 1: when they did get in touch to be like, oh
Speaker 1: you've be interested in a by I think that all
Speaker 1: felt right. Actually didn't hear from them again, but initially
Speaker 1: I got very excited that I was.
Speaker 3: Gonna mister London the production company.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it it it it, Yeah it Tan. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: had a little meet with them, but I think I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean in the pipeline, that in the pipeline, that's
Speaker 1: that's the goals. I would love to I would love
Speaker 1: to get funding for a little series. Yeah, it's much
Speaker 1: of everything is like entertaining people and then exploring mysteries.
Speaker 1: That would be just.
Speaker 3: Keep at it, just keep keep you know, yeah, touring
Speaker 3: uh you know, and jumping on to different groups that
Speaker 3: are seeing some of these unusual sites. It's just it's just,
Speaker 3: you know, people are constantly growing and there's a new
Speaker 3: breed of people that are wanting more information and we
Speaker 3: just have to support each other and that's what it's
Speaker 3: all about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a really nice community. But thanks so much.
Speaker 3: Been real fun and I really got to know you
Speaker 3: as I appreciate it. Are you going to be doing
Speaker 3: Cosmic Summit next year?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it was very successful this year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so fun. It's we changed venue to expand
Speaker 1: it so we could fit more people in and have
Speaker 1: just a bigger space. And it was really the first
Speaker 1: place was amazing, but this isn't an even really really
Speaker 1: nice upgrade. And next year, yeah, George is just amazing.
Speaker 1: I remember going George, don't we maybe slow it's only
Speaker 1: the second year, and he's like, no, full guns at
Speaker 1: the head, I want this to be the most amazing
Speaker 1: history history conference. So everything. Yeah, he's so passionate and
Speaker 1: he just puts his whole heart into it. So yes,
Speaker 1: it's going to be great. It's so fun. It's fun
Speaker 1: from a conference point of view, but it's also got
Speaker 1: that kind of like party festival vibe going on as well,
Speaker 1: Like he likes.
Speaker 3: To make sure people are well fed. So he's, oh, dude,
Speaker 3: you talking about it was.
Speaker 1: The best mac and cheese I've ever had in my life.
Speaker 3: With that, are you going to say something like the
Speaker 3: best country fried chicken I've ever ate?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 1: No, the mac and cheese was elite. And I told
Speaker 1: George that. I was like, I'm that's it. I'm not
Speaker 1: getting on a plane unless you can guarantee I'm getting
Speaker 1: mac and Je's every Day.
Speaker 3: It was so good.
Speaker 1: It was so good that I've been trying to get
Speaker 1: the recipe so that I can replicate it our home
Speaker 1: because it was just beautiful, amazing.
Speaker 3: Okay, so how can people get a hold of you?
Speaker 3: Do you have a website?
Speaker 1: I actually don't have a website.
Speaker 3: Socials.
Speaker 1: I'm on the socials. So it's it's funny Old World
Speaker 1: and the Old.
Speaker 3: World, and then the podcast is Raiders of the Past
Speaker 3: part Rads of the Past. Yeah, yeah, Raiders of the
Speaker 3: Past part right, yeah, and.
Speaker 1: So yeah, funny Old World. You'll be able to find
Speaker 1: me some kind of TikTok. I do different versions for
Speaker 1: where people like to watch their stuff. So there's like
Speaker 1: shorter stuff on TikTok and the little snippets on Instagram,
Speaker 1: and then there's like the big, more long in depth
Speaker 1: stuff on YouTube.
Speaker 3: Excellent. Hey, rock on, continue with the work and my
Speaker 3: success has been fun.
Speaker 1: Thanks so much, so much too.
Speaker 3: Like about that interview. I just posted a video that
Speaker 3: she narrates, that Johanna narrates called Barabar, and you can
Speaker 3: see it on the Earth Ancients Facebook page. Go to
Speaker 3: Earth Ancients. Excuse me, go to Facebook, then go to
Speaker 3: earth ancients and you can see it on your group
Speaker 3: or international and this is these caves, these unusual caves.
Speaker 3: You can see the testing that's going on, and it's
Speaker 3: a real, real curiosity. I wish it was closer to home.
Speaker 3: And she made this comment, and I know from talking
Speaker 3: with Provin Mohan and others who actually live in India
Speaker 3: that it's very difficult to navigate, not necessarily to drive,
Speaker 3: but you know, when you have a group, you needed
Speaker 3: to be able to depend on the buses and and
Speaker 3: the trains, and they're very undependable. So I haven't got
Speaker 3: over my fear of bringing a group there and just
Speaker 3: having it become a nightmare. And I've had friends travel there.
Speaker 3: If you travel individually, it's not a problem. If you
Speaker 3: travel with a tour groups, it is a problem. And
Speaker 3: unfortunately that's just the way it is right now. So
Speaker 3: I won't be booking any tours in the near future
Speaker 3: just because of the way things are run there. But
Speaker 3: you know, it was fun to have Johanna on the program.
Speaker 3: And we will definitely be covering and sponsoring the Cosmic
Speaker 3: Summit next June June twenty twenty five, and so we'll
Speaker 3: probably have a chance to talk to her again. So
Speaker 3: I hope you enjoyed that. I want to mention also
Speaker 3: if you get a chance to attend the seapac conference
Speaker 3: it is, it's coming up soon. The conference is at
Speaker 3: about a month from now. It's October eighteenth of the nineteenth. Again,
Speaker 3: go to seapack online dot com. You can see all
Speaker 3: the details and remember if you can't get there, at
Speaker 3: least look at the streaming presentation and you can use
Speaker 3: the code Earth Anxious and get twenty percent off. It's
Speaker 3: a great deal. It's a great discount, and I appreciate
Speaker 3: Walter providing that discount to my listeners. Makes it worthwhile.
Speaker 3: So a lot of things are coming up right now.
Speaker 3: We got the Ancient Apocalypse October sixteenth through Netflix, and
Speaker 3: we're gonna have Ed Barnhart on the program. I want
Speaker 3: to have a I want to talk to him a
Speaker 3: little bit about that. You know, it's funny because I
Speaker 3: know Ed's been on Ancient Aliens something like a record
Speaker 3: of sixty times or something. He told me. I mean
Speaker 3: he goes he goes way back sixty times. That's probably
Speaker 3: like one of the early episodes. He rarely addresses Ancient
Speaker 3: Aliens in any of the interviews I do. But he's
Speaker 3: talked about it from the very first time we had
Speaker 3: him on the program a few years ago, and I've
Speaker 3: had a chance to speak with him directly about it,
Speaker 3: and he kind of laughs at it. So he's not
Speaker 3: a proponent of ancient aliens, but they use him for
Speaker 3: his scientific prowess. You know, he's he's really a true
Speaker 3: minus one of the top Mayennis out there. So hey,
Speaker 3: listen again if you're interested in the holiday tour. If
Speaker 3: you haven't had your holiday and we're coming into the fall,
Speaker 3: join us for the sacred Temples of the Maya. It's
Speaker 3: going to be November eighth through the seventeenth. This is
Speaker 3: a chance. This is a one week tour to actually
Speaker 3: see chichinitza Ushmol and many other locations up close and personal.
Speaker 3: We fill a one week tour with daily activities, including
Speaker 3: this wonderful museum that's in Marieda, Mexico. For more information,
Speaker 3: go to Earth Ancients dot com, Forward slash Tours t
Speaker 3: O U r S. Check out the itinerary and you'll
Speaker 3: see that each day we do something. Michael L. Flem's
Speaker 3: going to be there. We have a field our cheologists
Speaker 3: who's also going to join us, and my good friend
Speaker 3: and tour guide Mimo Gonzalez will be leading the tour
Speaker 3: and give us giving us the latest and the greatest,
Speaker 3: the latest excavations. We won't be taking the Maya train. Unfortunately,
Speaker 3: it's really not online yet, even though they're trying to
Speaker 3: get people to work use it. It's not doesn't really
Speaker 3: go anywhere, but we will bust to these different locations
Speaker 3: and check it out. This is also a chance to
Speaker 3: connect with these tulluric fields. A couple of places we go,
Speaker 3: you can actually fill the energy, so we'll do some
Speaker 3: meditations at the top of these pyramids again. For more
Speaker 3: information go to earth acients dot com, forward slash Tours
Speaker 3: t O U R S. All right, that's it for
Speaker 3: this program. I want to thank my guest today, Johanna James,
Speaker 3: coming to us from London. As always, the team of
Speaker 3: Gail Tour, Mark Foster and everyone who makes this thing happen.
Speaker 3: You guys rock all right, take care, be well and
Speaker 3: we will talk to you next time.