WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.800 --> 00:00:05.559 The following presentation is abol Marvis Studio's production. 2 00:00:23.000 --> 00:00:29.280 When you look me on the sky, do you feel 3 00:00:29.399 --> 00:00:29.920 the poll? 4 00:00:30.079 --> 00:00:33.119 The question why. 5 00:00:34.119 --> 00:00:41.159 The stories told and left behind in shadows where the. 6 00:00:41.159 --> 00:00:43.119 Truth we find? 7 00:00:44.920 --> 00:00:51.200 They built their tails on grafts and lies on theories. 8 00:00:51.320 --> 00:00:57.880 They stay there, designed put down here. 9 00:00:57.119 --> 00:01:07.439 On this solid graph, the answer screen. They're all around rising. 10 00:01:08.159 --> 00:01:10.959 Welcome back truth seekers from around the world. It's time 11 00:01:11.000 --> 00:01:14.359 for another edition of the Flatter Files podcast. I'm your 12 00:01:14.359 --> 00:01:18.280 host is always George Hobbs as record on this Thursday evening, 13 00:01:18.319 --> 00:01:21.599 April twenty fourth, twenty twenty five. I hope this message 14 00:01:21.599 --> 00:01:24.920 finds you all well and healthy and happy as we 15 00:01:24.959 --> 00:01:27.879 continue on through the spring. Just two quick notes before 16 00:01:27.879 --> 00:01:30.959 we bring our special guest on tonight. Number one, Please 17 00:01:31.000 --> 00:01:34.840 do check out the new website. It is truthornet dot com. 18 00:01:35.120 --> 00:01:37.239 If you put in the old web address the url 19 00:01:37.319 --> 00:01:41.519 the Flatterthfiles dot com, it'll take you straight to the 20 00:01:41.599 --> 00:01:44.920 new website. No worries, and of course a lot of 21 00:01:44.920 --> 00:01:48.239 people asking about the forum from the old website. It 22 00:01:48.280 --> 00:01:54.239 was merely a coincidence again that wis the the website 23 00:01:54.280 --> 00:01:56.599 host is getting rid of forums and turning it into 24 00:01:56.599 --> 00:02:00.000 groups very similar to what Microsoft is doing with Skype. 25 00:02:00.000 --> 00:02:03.079 They got Ridskype and they're turning it into groups. So 26 00:02:03.159 --> 00:02:05.840 I apologize to all the people who put in the 27 00:02:05.879 --> 00:02:08.599 hard work in there. But we know, as Truthers, you know, 28 00:02:08.639 --> 00:02:10.199 every time we get knocked off the horse, we get 29 00:02:10.240 --> 00:02:12.719 back up. So feel free to post your content. There's 30 00:02:12.719 --> 00:02:14.919 a social there, there's a chat room twenty four to 31 00:02:14.960 --> 00:02:19.240 seven radio. There's a lot to do again Truthernet dot com. 32 00:02:19.319 --> 00:02:22.280 And if you'd like to join us here on the podcast, 33 00:02:22.960 --> 00:02:25.159 just like Jordan is today, please send us an email 34 00:02:25.560 --> 00:02:29.319 f E. Filesguest at gmail dot com. Again, it's fe 35 00:02:29.520 --> 00:02:33.960 filesguest at gmail dot com. And as we are today 36 00:02:34.000 --> 00:02:36.000 April twenty fourth, we're looking to book end of May 37 00:02:36.159 --> 00:02:40.400 into June. So please, everybody has a story, why don't 38 00:02:40.400 --> 00:02:44.280 you share it with the masses like so many have before. 39 00:02:44.319 --> 00:02:47.520 And that does bring us to tonight's guests. And his 40 00:02:47.639 --> 00:02:51.479 name's Jordan and he's joining us from Wisconsin. Jordan, how 41 00:02:51.479 --> 00:02:52.360 are you doing today, Buddy? 42 00:02:53.479 --> 00:02:55.439 I no great, George, are you doing well? Good? 43 00:02:55.479 --> 00:02:57.960 And I'm glad we worked out the technical issues and 44 00:02:58.199 --> 00:03:00.719 we're up and running. We're going to take off. Why 45 00:03:00.719 --> 00:03:03.199 don't we kick things off by introducing yourself to the audience. 46 00:03:04.639 --> 00:03:06.800 All right, Yeah, so in the short and I live 47 00:03:06.840 --> 00:03:09.520 in Wisconsin, been there in my whole life for three 48 00:03:09.599 --> 00:03:12.919 years old. Grew up in Dausman is a small village, 49 00:03:13.360 --> 00:03:19.120 and then I worked in restaurants, many of different restaurants, 50 00:03:19.159 --> 00:03:23.120 subways and factories, but mainly restaurants and corrections most recently. 51 00:03:25.280 --> 00:03:28.639 Even more recently, I do private security. But uh yeah, 52 00:03:28.639 --> 00:03:32.879 that's fat. I live in a residential area and in Janesville. 53 00:03:33.159 --> 00:03:35.080 Got a fiance and a little two year old girl 54 00:03:35.280 --> 00:03:36.159 as of last month. 55 00:03:37.360 --> 00:03:39.159 Yeah, I know a lot of my friends and family. Actually, 56 00:03:39.159 --> 00:03:40.759 I don't know how far you are from Green Bay, 57 00:03:40.759 --> 00:03:43.879 but I guess that's a big deal going on tonight there. 58 00:03:43.800 --> 00:03:47.719 Right, I guess it's I'm a little I'm a little naive. 59 00:03:47.719 --> 00:03:51.159 What's like as the NFL Draft is in green Bay tonight? 60 00:03:53.800 --> 00:03:56.199 NFL Draft. Yeah, I guess that's a big deal, especially 61 00:03:56.199 --> 00:03:59.520 in green Bay. Green Bay is about I want to say, 62 00:04:00.520 --> 00:04:03.680 that's like north things like northwest of me or North's 63 00:04:03.879 --> 00:04:06.520 a couple hours. Oh okay, Mark to get the pretty 64 00:04:06.560 --> 00:04:08.919 cool I mean, I've worked in Wapond Corresional, which is 65 00:04:09.639 --> 00:04:12.080 like the sister prison to that they're both the oldest 66 00:04:12.080 --> 00:04:16.720 prisons in the state, so familiar with the area. 67 00:04:17.519 --> 00:04:22.439 So we were talking earlier about number one, the restaurant business. 68 00:04:22.480 --> 00:04:27.000 And again, you know, I worked with you know, the 69 00:04:27.040 --> 00:04:29.560 cooks in our units who work tirelessly getting up a 70 00:04:29.560 --> 00:04:33.680 two o'clock in the morning. The restaurant business, the chef business, 71 00:04:34.639 --> 00:04:38.199 is a very very hard business, working long hours. It's 72 00:04:38.240 --> 00:04:41.399 I guess similar to retail. It's hard work and it 73 00:04:41.519 --> 00:04:44.040 is something that you can get burnt out with pretty quickly, 74 00:04:44.240 --> 00:04:46.519 as it sounds like you did as well, right. 75 00:04:47.600 --> 00:04:50.639 Yeah, yeah, sure, it's uh, it's a lot of repetition 76 00:04:50.720 --> 00:04:54.959 and it's it's almost like you have the goal is 77 00:04:54.959 --> 00:04:56.600 the death of the day, and then you gotta wake 78 00:04:56.720 --> 00:04:58.199 up do it all over a kind of grind. But 79 00:04:58.439 --> 00:05:00.959 I met a lot of great people in a quite 80 00:05:00.959 --> 00:05:02.319 a skill set that I don't think I could have 81 00:05:02.360 --> 00:05:05.319 acquired anywhere else, or I could have it, just I 82 00:05:05.360 --> 00:05:07.839 would have had to go about a different way. It's 83 00:05:07.839 --> 00:05:11.720 just kind of a like a self swooped type of job. 84 00:05:11.800 --> 00:05:13.399 So I try to take the good with the bad. 85 00:05:13.399 --> 00:05:15.079 But it is brutal. It's definitely brutal. 86 00:05:15.720 --> 00:05:19.759 It is. And now you're doing private security. I assume 87 00:05:19.800 --> 00:05:24.279 it's long hours as well. It's interesting going from prisons 88 00:05:24.920 --> 00:05:30.480 to private security. I'm sure it's I guess it's similar 89 00:05:30.680 --> 00:05:31.959 but different at the same time. 90 00:05:33.639 --> 00:05:37.920 That's very well put. I had to also, as people 91 00:05:38.439 --> 00:05:41.399 do who get out of the system, I had to 92 00:05:41.480 --> 00:05:45.079 reintegrate in society. I didn't think that that that concept 93 00:05:45.120 --> 00:05:50.040 would apply to staff as well, but it most certainly does. Like, 94 00:05:50.199 --> 00:05:53.680 for example, sitting down in the little they are a 95 00:05:53.759 --> 00:05:57.639 gate guard security detail at minards. They checking it out. 96 00:05:57.959 --> 00:06:00.959 The guy said, coming for the yard for like all 97 00:06:00.959 --> 00:06:04.519 the lumber, and just sitting down there. I have a 98 00:06:04.560 --> 00:06:07.319 little mini radio on. I'm like, okay, there's not gonna 99 00:06:07.319 --> 00:06:09.519 be many fights. There's gonna be no reason for me 100 00:06:09.560 --> 00:06:12.120 to get up other than somebody just roll on buying 101 00:06:12.120 --> 00:06:14.920 a car. It may sound crazy about him, like I could. 102 00:06:15.199 --> 00:06:16.600 It took a couple of weeks to get over that. 103 00:06:17.560 --> 00:06:21.879 Just I hate being in a fixed place. It's just like, wow, 104 00:06:21.920 --> 00:06:24.319 this is what the public is like. Okay, it's been 105 00:06:24.399 --> 00:06:24.839 so long. 106 00:06:26.839 --> 00:06:30.959 That's interesting. Let's get a little bit into your journey 107 00:06:30.959 --> 00:06:34.800 to the truth. You're thirty three and you've already seen 108 00:06:34.839 --> 00:06:37.879 some things. Why don't you start the process of at 109 00:06:37.920 --> 00:06:40.480 what point in your life did you start to notice 110 00:06:40.639 --> 00:06:42.560 that things were not as they were told? 111 00:06:45.240 --> 00:06:48.639 So I I didn't. So I had this thought the 112 00:06:48.680 --> 00:06:50.759 other day. I'm like, when did I actually first start 113 00:06:50.800 --> 00:06:52.920 thinking about that? Because it got it gets buried over 114 00:06:52.959 --> 00:06:54.560 the years, but I think it was when I was 115 00:06:54.600 --> 00:06:56.959 about eight or nine years old. I will go to 116 00:06:57.000 --> 00:07:00.399 bed and have the hardest time sleeping because when I 117 00:07:00.439 --> 00:07:02.879 would shut my eyes again into like low level of sleep, 118 00:07:02.959 --> 00:07:05.920 I would picture just the ball like that whatever that 119 00:07:06.079 --> 00:07:10.199 iconic images with the NASA one from the moon, a 120 00:07:10.279 --> 00:07:13.079 picture of that. I'm like, just thinking of all the water. 121 00:07:13.120 --> 00:07:16.079 It's like, okay, what's keeping in place? We could just 122 00:07:16.120 --> 00:07:19.920 get like just this deep horrible feeling of like depression, 123 00:07:20.040 --> 00:07:22.759 just not being able to sleep. And it happened for 124 00:07:22.800 --> 00:07:25.680 a while, dude, then it went away. But that would 125 00:07:25.680 --> 00:07:27.639 be the first time I would say, so it's not 126 00:07:27.759 --> 00:07:31.360 a part of twenty five twenty five years ago, but 127 00:07:31.399 --> 00:07:32.639 I didn't realize it at the time. 128 00:07:33.319 --> 00:07:37.759 That is interesting because I think many of us, even 129 00:07:37.879 --> 00:07:40.360 for some of us who just woke up, if someone 130 00:07:40.399 --> 00:07:43.199 woke up during the COVID era, if we take the 131 00:07:43.279 --> 00:07:46.000 time and reflect, I bet you that just about all 132 00:07:46.040 --> 00:07:50.079 of us at one point in our lives, whether it 133 00:07:50.120 --> 00:07:55.040 was fifth grade science class or watching PBS, we thought, man, 134 00:07:55.120 --> 00:07:59.079 this is is this really? What's going on? Is really 135 00:07:59.399 --> 00:08:01.800 water stick to a ball and those type of things. 136 00:08:02.360 --> 00:08:04.439 But it's funny how we dismiss it so easily and 137 00:08:04.519 --> 00:08:05.519 just continue. 138 00:08:05.120 --> 00:08:10.800 On, Yeah, you're right, it's uh yeah in Mashon Wonder 139 00:08:10.839 --> 00:08:13.480 And then the next fall freis one was probably like 140 00:08:13.519 --> 00:08:15.839 a couple years later. I had a buddy who his 141 00:08:16.000 --> 00:08:18.680 older brother. We were like nine or ten at the time. 142 00:08:18.759 --> 00:08:20.879 His older brother was just out of the Air Force, 143 00:08:21.240 --> 00:08:25.319 and I think his dad was as well, and he 144 00:08:25.720 --> 00:08:27.639 I remember balancing on a trampoline with him, and then 145 00:08:28.519 --> 00:08:31.560 we would just stop and just just talk about things 146 00:08:31.600 --> 00:08:34.519 like a break and then he mentioned how helicopter should 147 00:08:34.519 --> 00:08:37.440 not work at all, and I'm like what and what 148 00:08:37.879 --> 00:08:40.000 you know what I mean, I guess, but looking back, 149 00:08:40.000 --> 00:08:43.639 I'm like, Okay, his whole family believed in flattered for sure, 150 00:08:44.200 --> 00:08:46.679 because if it because who did he learn that from? Well, 151 00:08:46.720 --> 00:08:48.960 his brother and his dad, And then you don't believe 152 00:08:48.960 --> 00:08:51.960 that unless he know that this reality is not what 153 00:08:52.200 --> 00:08:55.639 it's because like those manuals he mentioned with flying alicopter yep. 154 00:08:56.320 --> 00:08:57.720 And that was like the second him I got at 155 00:08:57.759 --> 00:08:59.360 a very young age. 156 00:09:00.240 --> 00:09:02.399 And it's funny how our own mind, we gate keep 157 00:09:02.440 --> 00:09:05.279 our own mind. We we do question things, and then 158 00:09:05.320 --> 00:09:07.120 we just stop and just say, oh what, you know, 159 00:09:07.919 --> 00:09:10.679 what do we know that those guys are? They have PhDs? 160 00:09:10.840 --> 00:09:12.600 And who are we to question? 161 00:09:12.639 --> 00:09:12.840 Bill? 162 00:09:12.919 --> 00:09:13.799 Neither science guy? 163 00:09:13.919 --> 00:09:19.919 Right? Yeah, it's and now that that's like the narrative 164 00:09:20.240 --> 00:09:23.559 that I listened for. It's all the time, and it's like, wow, 165 00:09:23.879 --> 00:09:26.039 how did I not hear this too far? It sounds 166 00:09:26.480 --> 00:09:30.919 it's it's like being an observer of a movie. Yeah, 167 00:09:30.960 --> 00:09:33.759 like a non like watching NPCs. I mean, I'm not 168 00:09:33.759 --> 00:09:36.399 trying to degrade anybody's into like but yeah, I mean 169 00:09:36.440 --> 00:09:37.159 I was like that too. 170 00:09:37.840 --> 00:09:40.840 Yeah, sure we were all you know we had we 171 00:09:40.879 --> 00:09:43.639 were more into worldly things. And like I said, it 172 00:09:43.720 --> 00:09:46.399 is funny because when you think back, you do notice things, 173 00:09:47.039 --> 00:09:49.200 but you just kind of compartmentalize it and move on. 174 00:09:49.399 --> 00:09:52.240 Because for me, it was, you know, I'm just I'm 175 00:09:52.279 --> 00:09:54.000 just dumb old George. What do I know? These people 176 00:09:54.039 --> 00:09:56.039 have been in college and that's all they do day in, 177 00:09:56.120 --> 00:10:00.559 day out, So you know, who are we to question? Uh? 178 00:10:00.600 --> 00:10:03.639 These people? But then once the can of worms is open. 179 00:10:04.519 --> 00:10:07.440 It's just, uh, man, I can't believe they got us. 180 00:10:07.720 --> 00:10:08.679 I really can't believe. 181 00:10:09.840 --> 00:10:12.639 It's the biggest episode of punt ever. 182 00:10:13.200 --> 00:10:16.799 That's perfectly But you're looking for the cameras, right, you 183 00:10:16.879 --> 00:10:17.200 got me? 184 00:10:17.320 --> 00:10:21.039 You got me? Yeah, because there's plenty of cameras. 185 00:10:21.080 --> 00:10:23.639 But yeah, yeah, So it sounds like a lot of 186 00:10:23.639 --> 00:10:26.320 the things that you've been questioning. Uh so flat Earth 187 00:10:26.440 --> 00:10:29.320 was one of your your first truths, which is very rare. 188 00:10:30.480 --> 00:10:33.519 Yeah. Uh the only thing I can think about is, 189 00:10:33.679 --> 00:10:35.559 uh as a common one when it was nine to eleven, 190 00:10:36.720 --> 00:10:39.120 because I was going through the criminal justice program at 191 00:10:39.240 --> 00:10:42.159 at a tech college at Walker Show, and every single 192 00:10:42.200 --> 00:10:47.679 teacher there was a hardcore conspiracy theorist really rightfully sold. 193 00:10:47.879 --> 00:10:51.360 A lot of them were not like just standard officers. 194 00:10:51.399 --> 00:10:54.519 There were FBI, CIA, like one guy with a major 195 00:10:54.559 --> 00:10:57.440 in the army and also law enforcement. So the things 196 00:10:57.440 --> 00:10:59.639 they were telling me is they could only say declassified things. 197 00:10:59.679 --> 00:11:04.480 But it like, for example, one of the intro classes, 198 00:11:05.320 --> 00:11:08.480 this old school guy told me that there was technology 199 00:11:08.480 --> 00:11:11.639 in his fifties and I think it's referring to the 200 00:11:11.679 --> 00:11:14.679 Blackbird or whatever jet. It could take a picture of 201 00:11:14.720 --> 00:11:18.039 a guy putting like on a golf course from whatever 202 00:11:18.120 --> 00:11:20.799 max altitude could go to at the time and count 203 00:11:20.840 --> 00:11:24.320 the thread of the shoes in crystal clear HD color. 204 00:11:25.320 --> 00:11:27.000 And if we couldn't get that out of my head 205 00:11:27.000 --> 00:11:27.960 the rest of the class. 206 00:11:28.000 --> 00:11:34.320 And this was the sixties. Yeah, wow, Yeah. Some things 207 00:11:34.360 --> 00:11:36.360 came to light during the Church Committee. I think that 208 00:11:36.399 --> 00:11:39.879 was around seventy five. That's when the FBI admitted that 209 00:11:39.919 --> 00:11:40.799 they had a heart attack. 210 00:11:40.879 --> 00:11:41.080 Gum. 211 00:11:41.120 --> 00:11:45.000 It was like, well, you know the shrimp whatever, and 212 00:11:45.159 --> 00:11:46.639 that you would shoot it, you would feel like a 213 00:11:46.679 --> 00:11:49.159 beasting or something, not think twice about it, and then 214 00:11:50.120 --> 00:11:53.559 the poison from the shellfish would just eventually, you know, 215 00:11:54.200 --> 00:11:55.960 make it look like you died of a heart attack. 216 00:11:57.320 --> 00:12:00.159 It's like a like a or like the ancient load 217 00:12:00.240 --> 00:12:02.519 dart guns or like a poison dark nets precisely. 218 00:12:02.919 --> 00:12:04.039 Yep, wow. 219 00:12:06.759 --> 00:12:08.559 Yeah, and then I think I forgot to make Yeah, 220 00:12:08.559 --> 00:12:10.679 it was the nine to eleven thing. It was an 221 00:12:10.679 --> 00:12:14.919 intro to holemand security. I something triggered me to like 222 00:12:14.960 --> 00:12:16.639 look it up that night at home and that end 223 00:12:16.639 --> 00:12:19.159 to sleep because the YouTube at the time in twenty 224 00:12:19.159 --> 00:12:19.840 fourteen was. 225 00:12:19.840 --> 00:12:22.759 A it was wild West. 226 00:12:23.039 --> 00:12:25.919 Yeah, like I sand By, Yeah exactly. You look up 227 00:12:25.919 --> 00:12:27.759 whatever you wanted. It was like, oh, look at this video, 228 00:12:27.840 --> 00:12:30.720 that's even deeper to have a rabbit hole. And I 229 00:12:30.759 --> 00:12:33.000 didn't sleep at all because I saw these two buildings 230 00:12:33.000 --> 00:12:36.159 burning side by well, the twin towers burning and then 231 00:12:36.440 --> 00:12:40.320 just being eradicated from existence. And then the other one 232 00:12:40.320 --> 00:12:43.759 that was like set up next to it in the 233 00:12:43.840 --> 00:12:47.159 video was some old, old world building just and it 234 00:12:47.200 --> 00:12:49.480 said they burned for like two or three days because 235 00:12:49.480 --> 00:12:51.039 it was hit by a plane or whatever, and like 236 00:12:52.519 --> 00:12:54.559 they just uh the hairs on the back in the 237 00:12:54.559 --> 00:12:58.879 back of my head, and I barely blinked. I barely sleeped. 238 00:12:59.120 --> 00:13:00.919 I mean it was I couldn't get it on my ahead. 239 00:13:00.919 --> 00:13:04.600 I'm like, okay, I can't articulate whatever it was I 240 00:13:04.639 --> 00:13:07.799 was thinking, but it was disturbing and shocking and shatter 241 00:13:07.879 --> 00:13:09.679 my world. 242 00:13:10.440 --> 00:13:13.200 Yeah, not eleven. Truth is something that really punched you 243 00:13:13.240 --> 00:13:17.720 in the stomach, especially if you served the country or 244 00:13:17.759 --> 00:13:19.759 you know, you spend a lot of time in Iraq Afghanistan. 245 00:13:19.799 --> 00:13:22.399 I get emails all the time from veterans who you know, 246 00:13:22.440 --> 00:13:25.919 once they woke up. Yeah, obviously you start to see 247 00:13:25.919 --> 00:13:28.039 things over there and you question it, like we questioned 248 00:13:28.039 --> 00:13:30.840 the globe through our life, but we just kind of oh, well, 249 00:13:30.840 --> 00:13:33.240 you know, we what do we know? But then when 250 00:13:33.240 --> 00:13:37.679 you find out the truth about all these events, it's frustrating. 251 00:13:38.000 --> 00:13:40.799 It is you feel betrayed by the people who were 252 00:13:40.840 --> 00:13:41.759 sworn to protect you. 253 00:13:44.399 --> 00:13:49.200 Yeah, you nailed it as the betrayal part. It's it's 254 00:13:49.240 --> 00:13:52.240 almost overwhelming that that that feeling when when it first 255 00:13:52.279 --> 00:13:52.639 hits you. 256 00:13:54.159 --> 00:13:57.840 I'm so glad you brought up DHS because, you know, 257 00:13:58.639 --> 00:14:02.559 for people who may not know, homeland security came about 258 00:14:02.679 --> 00:14:06.960 because of nine to eleven, and we talk about no 259 00:14:07.000 --> 00:14:09.080 one's going to bite the hand that feeds them. So 260 00:14:09.679 --> 00:14:14.080 the goal of the ruling class is to have everybody 261 00:14:14.120 --> 00:14:19.480 working for just a few organizations because if you don't comply, 262 00:14:19.960 --> 00:14:22.559 you're going to lose your money. That's the whole goal. 263 00:14:22.720 --> 00:14:26.639 And just DHS alone accounts for a quarter of a 264 00:14:26.679 --> 00:14:29.200 million jobs, so that's two hundred and fifty thousand people. 265 00:14:29.759 --> 00:14:35.279 And the whole creation aspect of DHS was to ensure, 266 00:14:35.600 --> 00:14:38.360 you know, to protect the United States against terrace. But 267 00:14:38.399 --> 00:14:42.679 what it has really turned into is the Gestapo. And right, 268 00:14:42.720 --> 00:14:45.759 it's a big brother, Right, it's nineteen eighty four. 269 00:14:47.440 --> 00:14:51.679 Yeah, yeah, you're not kidding, because I have a younger sister, 270 00:14:51.759 --> 00:14:55.320 she's a thirteen even all. She's like calling me, but 271 00:14:55.600 --> 00:14:58.679 she went to she's going for it. I want to say, 272 00:14:59.519 --> 00:15:03.679 oh here airport in Milwaukee, and the TSA agent just 273 00:15:03.720 --> 00:15:07.279 smashed her CD and like rip the shoelaces out of 274 00:15:07.279 --> 00:15:09.639 her shoes and she was like in tears telling me this. Now. 275 00:15:09.639 --> 00:15:12.080 I was like ready to just I'm like, okay, where 276 00:15:12.120 --> 00:15:14.120 was this at, Like I'm going, but I had to, 277 00:15:14.159 --> 00:15:16.639 like I don't want to seem like a lunatic in 278 00:15:16.639 --> 00:15:18.360 front of my younger sister, so I just stay calm. 279 00:15:18.399 --> 00:15:20.519 And I looked at the policy and it's like only 280 00:15:20.600 --> 00:15:22.159 under a streme measure that I was supposed to do that. 281 00:15:22.200 --> 00:15:24.840 They had to have suspicion, like a reasonable subsicion, And 282 00:15:25.600 --> 00:15:28.960 like you said, Gestapo just just masses CD is like 283 00:15:29.000 --> 00:15:31.480 I've seen that in cell searches in the prison where 284 00:15:31.519 --> 00:15:34.000 he's like I'm the guy watching and then you see 285 00:15:34.000 --> 00:15:36.440 the other guard bent over and you picture just like 286 00:15:37.159 --> 00:15:39.200 the thing is being thrown behind and like they're just 287 00:15:39.240 --> 00:15:41.080 tossing things. It's like that's TSAK. 288 00:15:42.720 --> 00:15:46.120 Yeah, it's very frustrating. I remember being in the military, 289 00:15:46.159 --> 00:15:50.159 flying going through airports to deploy in uniform and the 290 00:15:50.159 --> 00:15:53.240 TSA telling me take off your belt, take off your boots, 291 00:15:53.279 --> 00:15:56.279 and I'm thinking, what are we doing here? I mean, really, 292 00:15:56.720 --> 00:16:01.159 what are we doing here? It's just a government employee, 293 00:16:02.000 --> 00:16:04.559 you know, frisking another government employee on the name of 294 00:16:04.600 --> 00:16:08.759 our looking out for our best interest. It's just insanity. Yeah, 295 00:16:08.799 --> 00:16:12.039 and I'll tell you this might come off a bit harsh, 296 00:16:12.080 --> 00:16:15.559 but if you think about it, when you give an 297 00:16:15.559 --> 00:16:18.960 individual a title and a badge and a little bit 298 00:16:18.960 --> 00:16:21.480 of power, it can go to their head. 299 00:16:21.519 --> 00:16:24.919 Dude. Oh they went to my head. And I mean 300 00:16:24.960 --> 00:16:28.879 as a correctional sergeant for a while, I was in 301 00:16:28.879 --> 00:16:31.000 and out of the programming, and I think that they 302 00:16:32.320 --> 00:16:36.080 big brother, the government or what I believe is administrative, 303 00:16:36.360 --> 00:16:38.440 Like they were literally watching me and like, okay, he's 304 00:16:38.440 --> 00:16:40.799 gonna fall in line. Okay, he's in line. And then 305 00:16:40.799 --> 00:16:42.879 they would watch me bobbing in and out of a 306 00:16:43.200 --> 00:16:46.000 cause I didn't realize, but I was struggling to actually 307 00:16:46.600 --> 00:16:50.440 want to go be full blown programmed and then like yes, man, 308 00:16:50.840 --> 00:16:53.840 because that's not me. But yeah, it went to my head. 309 00:16:54.080 --> 00:16:55.879 I was doing doing things that I look back on 310 00:16:55.919 --> 00:16:59.360 it's like, how do they not just just kill me? 311 00:16:59.440 --> 00:17:02.639 You know what I mean, Like, Wow, the badge, it's 312 00:17:02.679 --> 00:17:04.400 just a badge, it's a lill if he's a ten 313 00:17:05.079 --> 00:17:07.480 years it's all fake and means nothing really, But like 314 00:17:07.519 --> 00:17:09.079 you said, it goes to your head one hundred percent. 315 00:17:09.359 --> 00:17:12.759 Yeah, it really does. And there are thousands of videos 316 00:17:12.799 --> 00:17:14.920 out there about people who are putting in positions of 317 00:17:14.960 --> 00:17:18.920 authority who abuse it, and then you, as the victim, 318 00:17:19.319 --> 00:17:21.039 you're the one who has to prove it. And I've 319 00:17:21.079 --> 00:17:24.319 seen so many cases and and again I'm not across 320 00:17:24.359 --> 00:17:27.200 the board person. You know, there's great law enforcement, there's 321 00:17:27.240 --> 00:17:30.799 great first responders, but unfortunately I have seen too many times, 322 00:17:30.839 --> 00:17:34.440 and it goes from you know, people who work in 323 00:17:34.440 --> 00:17:36.279 the prisons to police all the way up to the 324 00:17:36.359 --> 00:17:39.599 highest levels of federal government. Once people get a taste 325 00:17:39.599 --> 00:17:44.559 of power, it changes people. And that that's what we saw, 326 00:17:44.640 --> 00:17:47.359 I think was a big part of COVID people, even 327 00:17:47.559 --> 00:17:50.640 the people who worked in the walmarts, they had the 328 00:17:51.240 --> 00:17:53.119 power to throw you out of the walmart if you 329 00:17:53.160 --> 00:17:56.279 didn't put your mask on or weren't standing six feet apart. 330 00:17:56.680 --> 00:17:58.880 It was a crazy time. But that is really the 331 00:17:58.920 --> 00:18:02.640 world we're living in, and we are causing each other's demise, 332 00:18:03.119 --> 00:18:05.400 you know, pitting each other against each other instead of 333 00:18:05.519 --> 00:18:09.119 you know, consolidating together and fighting the ruling elite. 334 00:18:11.839 --> 00:18:16.000 Yeah. I watched a recent Crow episode about that where 335 00:18:16.000 --> 00:18:17.720 it was like that where he mentioned that was a 336 00:18:17.759 --> 00:18:21.160 time where it was like make or break, like we 337 00:18:21.160 --> 00:18:23.359 could all abandon it. But no, like it was like 338 00:18:23.400 --> 00:18:28.240 the Agent Smith effect or it empowered everybody put your 339 00:18:28.240 --> 00:18:32.039 mask like people got this. They basically have anybody to 340 00:18:32.079 --> 00:18:35.920 power to be the mask police. And then if they 341 00:18:35.960 --> 00:18:38.359 called you out, it's it's one versus a hundred, like 342 00:18:38.400 --> 00:18:38.799 good luck. 343 00:18:39.599 --> 00:18:44.559 Precisely. So we ended up just not participating in businesses 344 00:18:44.599 --> 00:18:47.359 that enforced it. I would try to walk in if 345 00:18:47.359 --> 00:18:49.359 I needed something, if they said anything, I didn't even 346 00:18:49.960 --> 00:18:51.599 I wasn't going to get a debate. I wasn't going 347 00:18:51.680 --> 00:18:55.039 to pull out my cell phone. And it was just fine, 348 00:18:55.240 --> 00:18:58.119 have a good day. But unfortunately, you can't really make 349 00:18:58.160 --> 00:19:01.519 a dent in these businesses like Walmart and Amazon, especially 350 00:19:01.640 --> 00:19:04.359 during that time, because all the mom and pop stores 351 00:19:04.359 --> 00:19:07.400 were closed, so your your your choices were limited, and 352 00:19:07.480 --> 00:19:10.640 it was your hand was really forced in these situations. 353 00:19:12.359 --> 00:19:15.319 Yeah, and that's and that was another dawning moment too. 354 00:19:15.359 --> 00:19:18.640 I remember I was in a Oakhill Corrections. I got 355 00:19:18.640 --> 00:19:21.880 a secure minimum facility. I'm sitting there at my desk 356 00:19:21.960 --> 00:19:25.279 and then COVID. I was reading a book that was 357 00:19:25.400 --> 00:19:28.960 talking about a pandemic, and then I literally look off 358 00:19:29.000 --> 00:19:31.599 on the news and it is like a movie, like 359 00:19:31.640 --> 00:19:33.920 the Pandemic Flash Anistory, and I stopped reading the book. 360 00:19:33.920 --> 00:19:35.960 I'm like, this is freaky. But then all the all 361 00:19:35.960 --> 00:19:37.920 the image like, oh this is all fake met I'm 362 00:19:37.960 --> 00:19:41.200 like what so they turned me. That was like the 363 00:19:41.240 --> 00:19:44.119 next level of really waking up, and it was that 364 00:19:44.240 --> 00:19:48.559 the guy's locked like I you know, I mean, it's like, thanks, 365 00:19:48.559 --> 00:19:51.480 thanks guys for helping them wake me up, because uh, 366 00:19:51.640 --> 00:19:53.799 I would I wouldn't have known what to do or 367 00:19:53.839 --> 00:19:55.400 how to deal with that if I wouldn't have been 368 00:19:55.400 --> 00:19:57.640 in that setting, if I would have just been at home. 369 00:19:57.839 --> 00:20:00.799 That's right, and COVID has worked That episode woke so 370 00:20:00.839 --> 00:20:02.960 many people up. And I wanted to ask you because 371 00:20:02.960 --> 00:20:05.920 you're thirty three, which meant you were nine or ten 372 00:20:06.000 --> 00:20:09.400 when nine to eleven happened. Then you saw the economy 373 00:20:09.440 --> 00:20:12.079 collapse a few you know, seven years later, you've seen war, 374 00:20:12.680 --> 00:20:15.039 You've seen COVID, you saw the summer of love and 375 00:20:15.079 --> 00:20:19.799 twenty twenty election turmoil. Man, you have certainly lived a 376 00:20:19.799 --> 00:20:20.880 different life than I did. 377 00:20:22.759 --> 00:20:26.319 Yeah, we put it that way. Yeah, Yeah, it's interesting. 378 00:20:26.759 --> 00:20:29.880 Yeah not eleven. Yeah, I was fifth grade. I remember 379 00:20:29.880 --> 00:20:31.200 the kid next to me. It was like, oh, it 380 00:20:31.200 --> 00:20:33.480 looks like a smoke stack. And everybody started laughing, Like 381 00:20:33.960 --> 00:20:36.880 the whole class started laughing because it did look like 382 00:20:36.920 --> 00:20:39.440 a smoke stack. But I didn't laugh. I was I 383 00:20:39.440 --> 00:20:40.880 think I was the only person that laughing. I'm like, 384 00:20:41.319 --> 00:20:44.119 good dying or something. I'm like, this is it was 385 00:20:44.200 --> 00:20:48.359 just weird. Yeah. In two thousand and eight, I uh, 386 00:20:48.799 --> 00:20:51.519 the recession. That's when I first started working in a restaurant. 387 00:20:51.599 --> 00:20:53.640 Luckily it was busy enough because of the supper club 388 00:20:54.279 --> 00:20:56.759 and everybody was rich in this Lake Country area, so 389 00:20:57.359 --> 00:21:00.839 didn't really bother that part of the world. But ignorance 390 00:21:00.880 --> 00:21:03.440 is the bliss. 391 00:21:02.759 --> 00:21:09.880 It is right, Ignorance is bliss. Indeed, you also, let's 392 00:21:09.920 --> 00:21:11.279 go I want to get back to flat Earth a 393 00:21:11.319 --> 00:21:13.680 little bit in your journey. When when did you really 394 00:21:13.799 --> 00:21:16.680 start to When did it hit you? What was was 395 00:21:16.720 --> 00:21:19.039 it a video, was it a book, was it a conversation? 396 00:21:19.839 --> 00:21:21.799 When did it actually hit you that you know this 397 00:21:21.839 --> 00:21:23.440 whole globe thing was a lie. 398 00:21:24.880 --> 00:21:27.839 This is the question I was waiting for, churge, So 399 00:21:29.079 --> 00:21:33.079 I have to word this carefully for that. Don't all Okay? 400 00:21:33.119 --> 00:21:36.599 So November twenty twenty three, I was placed on the 401 00:21:36.599 --> 00:21:41.400