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Speaker 1: Welcome everybody to this surly you came to be Serious

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the podcast for real?

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Speaker 2: Okay, d If you try to stop me or vamp

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out in anyway, I will stake you without even thinking

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twice about it.

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Speaker 3: Last five, Hello everybody, and welcome to the Surely you

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Can't Be Serious podcast Blame Boys.

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Speaker 2: With your co hosts James D.

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Speaker 1: Graves and Jason Collivin. All right, everybody, welcome to the

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Halloween edition of the Surly you Can't Be Serious Podcasts.

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We are here tonight and next week comparing Fright Night

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nineteen eighty five and The Lost Boys nineteen eighty seven.

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Super jazz to be talking about these movies, Jason, what

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do you think? Man oh Man?

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Speaker 2: Completely fired up? Love these movies. I saw one. I

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saw Lost Boys in the movie theater definitely, and Friday

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Night I caught up on HBO, I think, and watched

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it a bunch. Love them both. Though, very excited to

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be talking about these what about you?

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Speaker 1: Super excited to talk about these as well? Because I

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was like nine and eleven when these movies came out.

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I wasn't seeing them in the theater, but you know,

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as soon as the folks are away, I was pulling

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them up on the satellite.

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Speaker 2: The gigantic satellite dish in the back of.

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Speaker 1: Yees, it's the gigantic satellite dish that I had to

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go out and hand crank to a notch inside of

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a steel pole. Huh. But I'm pretty sure through some

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glitchy kind of snow I caught both of these movies.

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Speaker 2: These movies are great because they combine not horror, but

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you know, sort of thrilling stories with comedy and a

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sense of style and scares. For sure, that's just a

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great combination.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they had kind of resurrected the vampire movie, which

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had become a mockery in the early eighties. You had

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Once Bitten and Love at First Bites and several other

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just kind of cheesy vampire movies that were coming out,

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and these two movies made vampires cool again.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't know if you remember this movie, but

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there was a movie called The Hunger that starred Susan Sarandon.

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It was actually the ex wife of Chris Sarandon, the

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head vampire from Fright Night, right.

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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah it was. It was not a good movie.

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Speaker 2: No, it wasn't. Okay, awesome, let's get into.

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Speaker 1: It, man, Yeah, let's jump in, all right. So these

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two movies, like we said, resurrected the vampire movie and

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made it cool again. They retained some of the comedic

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value that had come along, but they definitely made vampires

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scary and exciting again. The first of these movies to

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come out was Fright Night. So do you know the

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story behind how this movie came to be?

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Speaker 2: Well, I've heard a little bit about Tom Holland, who

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wrote and directed this movie. He was working on a

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movie that you and I both love from our childhood

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called Cloak and Dagger. Yeah, the story that I heard

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from that was that he was working on Cloak and

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Dagger and got the idea of sort of a horror

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movie fan becoming convinced that he was living next door

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to a vampire, and imagined it sort of as a

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Hitchcockian Rear Window type of story. What do you know

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about it?

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Speaker 1: Yes, it is actually based kind of upon a movie

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from nineteen forty eight called The Window. Rear Window was

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based upon a short story called It Had to Be

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Murder by a guy named Cornell Walich. The Window, which

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is about a boy who sees the murder, is also

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based on a Cornell Woolrich book called The Boy Who

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Cried Murder, Okay, And what happens in the window is

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there's this boy who, you know, is constantly lying. He's

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a younger boy, maybe ten twelve something like that, constantly

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lying to people about what's going going on, creating tall tales.

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And one of these tales gets them in big trouble,

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and he decides to or is forced to sleep out

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on the stoop of his apartment complex. And when that happens.

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The night that that happens, there's a murder by his

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neighbors downstairs. And so when he tries to tell everybody

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about it, no one will believe him because he's the

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boy who Cried Wolf, Right, He's told all these tall tales.

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So while he's witnessed this murder, he's trying to convince people,

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and the murderers are trying to get him. So sounds

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pretty similar, pretty similar. That's pretty similar to Fright Night,

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and also pretty similar to Cloak and Dagger. It was

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the same type of deal. You know, boy who has

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this active imagination about action adventure sees this very action

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adventure kind of murder and nobody will believe him. Meanwhile,

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the murderers are trying to chase him down. All super

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similar and just you know, you know how my brain works,

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I'm always making these connections. The actor that portrayed the

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Boy in the Window back in nineteen forty eight, Bobby Driscoll.

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kid in Treasure Island. He was also in Song of

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the South. He's in a bunch of Disney movies, and

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he also was the voice of Peter Pan, which of

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course is one of the three inspirational things for the

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Lost Boys, right the Boy, Yeah, for sure. Sadly though,

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the other connection is he's this famous child actor who

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then gets hooked on drugs, falls out in Hollywood, nobody

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will put him in anything, and ultimately dies due to

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his drug addiction, which is sad almost identical connection to

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what happened to Corey Haim too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, that is sad. Back to Fright Night and

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the genesis of Fright Night. So what you were saying

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about the boy who cries Wolf combined with Rear Window,

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combined with you know, old style vampire horror movie. He

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thought the idea was good, sort of had a genesis,

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but he didn't think it was enough to go on.

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His thought process was, Okay, so what's he gonna do?

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I mean, who's he gonna tell? So he believes there's

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a vampire next door? Who am I gonna tell? And

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he couldn't quite solve that problem. So he's talking to

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one of his friends who was the head of the

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story department at Columbia Pictures, a guy named John Buyers,

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and he said, well, you know, what would you do

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if that would happen. John's like, I would tell Vincent Price.

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And he's like, yeah, you know, that's it. And at

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the time, I don't know if you may remember this,

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but I definitely remember. You know, Friday night, late at night,

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there was sort of on my local TV station or

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some cable channels, there were these horror movie marathons, and

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they would have these hosts that would sort of take

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you to commercial and stuff like that.

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Speaker 1: Elvira.

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Speaker 2: I watched Elvira.

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Speaker 1: Elvira. Heck, yeah, I'm turning into that. Even if the

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movies are terrible, I'm still going to watch her hand

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or do.

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Speaker 2: Some Elvira was awesome.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So Vincent Price had, you know, he had obviously

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been a huge horror guy back in the sixties and

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seventies and kind of this similar pattern. And also a

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guy who we know from Star Wars, Peter Cushing, right,

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which is how we get Peter Vincent as the character.

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You got Peter Cushing with Vincent Price. And both of

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those guys were in these some of them really pretty

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cheesy horror movies. But he fully wanted Vincent Price to

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come in and play the part of Peter Vincent. But

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Vincent Price was like, listen, I have been categorized as

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this horror guy. I don't want I'm not going to

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do those things anymore, not, you know. Plus and I

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just don't want to do horror movies anymore. Plus Michael

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jack rap at the end of a song, I'm not

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going to do a horror movie.

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Speaker 2: Michael Jackson has already screwed me out of all this money.

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I'm not interested in doing any of that stuff anymore.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So, I mean, Peter Cushing plays Grandma of Tarkin, who

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is like second in command on the desk star in

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Star Wars.

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Speaker 1: He not only kills Tattooini's he also kills vampires. You

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don't know how hard I found it signing the order

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to terminate your life. Yes, so Tom Holland. He had

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written several screenplays and had some that became movies. He

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had written Psycho two, which was originally supposed to be

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just like a straight to cable, but what he thought

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to himself is, I've got to write a script good

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enough for Anthony Perkins to come on to play Norman

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Bates again. And then once Anthony Perkins was in, then

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they're like, oh, we're going to devote some time and

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money to this. And it was actually was a pretty

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well received sequel.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's good. I liked it.

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Speaker 1: He also wrote Class of nineteen eighty four, which came

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out in eighty two, but was about the violent gangs

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in high school and had in it as one of

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the major parts Roddy McDowell as a teacher. He's the

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teacher that brings the gun to school. Right, Oh cool, okay,

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they had wanted somebody else to direct, but he was

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like the other movie that he had done that he

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had written was called Scream for Help, and he was

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not happy with the way that it came out. It

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didn't do very well, and so he was kind of

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emphatic about directing this one. Well, at the time, he

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had at least had he had done about like two

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hundred commercials directing, he'd done acting work. He was actually

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in The Incredible Hulk, which I was just like, wow,

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he's like a karate guy in The Incredible Hulk. But

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he's like, you know, Nope'm not gonna let you do

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this unless I'm the director, which just meant basically that

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they said okay, but they devoted very little money and

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or attention to it.

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Speaker 2: They were going to let him direct, but they weren't

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going to give a lot of time and attention and

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money to the project.

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Speaker 1: Right, which, as it turned out, worked out very well

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for him because he basically ran the show once he

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was directing it. There weren't studio executives in there kind

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of picking a part what he was doing. They were

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all concerned with Perfect, which had John Travolta and Jamie

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Lee Curtis, which I mean, if I was a betman

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in nineteen eighty four eighty five, I'd been like, yeah, sure,

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that movie's definitely going to be a success. You're doing

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another vampire movie. That's nice, Okay, whatever.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I heard this story too. So Perfect with John

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Travolta and Jami Lee Curtis. Yeah, and the Slugger's wife, right,

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which was a Neil Simon story which I've seen some

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baseball movie Honey Good and I love baseball. So hey,

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too far away. When we're talking about Elvira. Cassandra Peterson

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is the actress who portrays Elvira. Of course she wears

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a wig and all that stuff. Did you know she

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is in Pee Wee's Big Adventure. He goes to the

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biker bar and he's like, I'm trying to use the phone,

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and they all decide they're gonna kill him, right, and

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I say, we can stab him. Then we kill him

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and he says.

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Speaker 1: Ah, sir, we let him go.

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Speaker 2: And there's a woman biker and she's like, I say,

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you give him to me and they all laugh. That's

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Cassandra Peterson Alvirah herself.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna pluge p already on all things Pee Wee.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna plug Big Adventure every chance I get.

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how Fright Night was conceived. And then a couple of

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years later, you've got Fright Night that's come out, You've

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got the Goonies that has come out, and so a

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couple of writers think, hey, that'd be a good idea.

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Let's combine the stories of Goonies and Peter Pan who

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stays young forever, with vampires because that's how they stay

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style vampire movie, and their names were James Jeremiahs and

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paid four hundred thousand dollars for the script. Four hundred

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thousand dollars. I looked at their history. She's got seven

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writing credits, three of which are Lost Boys related, and

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the other four are like an episode of Ironside and

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Golden Girls. I mean, she's got no other writing credits.

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and they get paid four hundred thousand dollars for a

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script that they ultimately completely changed.

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Speaker 2: I know, man, it sounds odd. I mean, it only

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takes one pitch to head a home run, right.

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Speaker 1: So they had different guys that they had considered to

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make this movie, one of whom was Richard Donner, right.

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Speaker 1: Oh yes, and the director of Superman. And yes, I

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mean he's a big hitter. I mean he's he's he's

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eighties for sure. But ultimately who they ended up with

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was Joel Schumacher, who's got an interesting story. I mean,

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into the fashion world and worked at this department store.

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kind of like Bloomingdale's basically, but he was a window

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dresser for this store. He'd put all the clothes on

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the mannequins out there in the storefront, and one day

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Woody Allen is walking by, he sees it, and he's like,

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who did this? He gets Joel Schumacher. He's like, I

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want you to come help me with costuming from a

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next movie. And suddenly he's in the movies making well.

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He wrote the script for a movie called car Wash,

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and then in seventy nine, John Landis said, you guys

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Shrinking Woman, and I'm not going to direct it. And

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so they said, all right, see you later. We'll go

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get Joel Schumacher to come in and direct the Incredible

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Shrinking Woman, and I don't It's been decades since I've

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seen that movie, but I remember watching it all the

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time on TV as a kid, like it would seemed

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like it was just always on and I loved it.

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Love Lily Tomlin thought it was a great movie. But yes,

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Speaker 2: Okay, that's very interesting. So I remember him from DC Cab.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the other mister T movie of the early eighties.

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Speaker 1: So when they get him aboard to direct The Lost Boys,

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he's like, Nope, don't want to do this goonies thing.

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he'd seen Fright Night at this point and was kind

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of turned on by the idea of sexy vampires, and

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so he's like, we're going to have our vampires be young,

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rock and roll looking sexy vampires.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Well, let's back up one second, because before Joel

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Schumacher came on, Richard Donner was set to direct Lost Boys. Yes,

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and he was going to direct it as a goonies

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go vampire type of movie, but it took a little

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bit longer than he wanted it to he was kind

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of tired of hanging around, and when it finally came

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time to release it, he had another project that he

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was going to go work on. You might have heard

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of it.

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Speaker 1: Leith a Weapon, Yeah, yeah, lethal Weapon. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And so it worked out. I mean, I am so

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glad that we got The Lost Boys from Joel Schumacher. Yeah,

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and we got Leith a Weapon with Richard Donner.

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Speaker 1: Right, and then Schumacher brings in another writer to rewrite

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the script. That writer's name is Jeffrey Bohm. And Jeffrey

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Bohm is the one who wrote leth a Weapon two

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and leith a Weapon three and also wrote Indiana Jones

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and Last Crusade. I mean, he's a stud as far

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as I can see. I mean, he's written some fantastic scripts.

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Speaker 2: He'll wrote Interspace, which is a flavor of mind.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I love that movie. Yes, Tuck Pendleton, Machine zero Defects.

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What's amazing is how many people that were in this

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movie were like unknown actors at the time that they

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got cast in this movie. You've got You've got Key

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for Sutherland, You've got Jason Patrick, You've got Alex Winter,

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You've got Corey Ham, Corey Feldman, was pretty well known

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at this point, it was, but this certainly didn't hurt

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his career at all. And and then you've got some

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real veterans out there. You've got Diane West, You've.

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Speaker 2: Got Edward Herman.

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Speaker 1: Edward Herman, I always get him, and Fred Munster. And

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Speaker 2: Got Bernard Hughes as a grandpa the TV guide need

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a TV.

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Speaker 1: Bernard Hughes, who I remembered from a TV show when

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I was a kid called Mister Merlin. Did you ever

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watch Mister Merlin? You played? It was like supposed to

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take place in modern times, except he was Merlin, the

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magician from from King Arthur Days.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, right right.

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Speaker 1: And then of course he was also the crotchety old

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doctor in Doc Hollywood, which is another favorite movie of mine.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so let's back up. Let's talk about the cast

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of Lost Boys for real quick, because you're absolutely right.

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These guys were unknowns at the time.

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Speaker 1: They tried to get Jason Patrick, and Jason Patrick said no.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, I don't like Richard Dreyfuss. They

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had to chase him, right, let's all say it together together,

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I'm not doing this movie. They went after Jason Patrick,

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who I don't know if you know this or not.

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He is Jackie Gleason's grandson, Jackie Gleason of Smoking the

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Bandit damn no.

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Speaker 1: Wait that you could come from my lawin well we

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get home, punch o Mama right in the mouth.

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Speaker 2: Jason Patrick was Jackie Gleason's little possum pair.

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Speaker 1: So so yeah, so he turned he turned the movie down.

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He didn't want to be flying around and biting people

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on the neck and stuff, and so he said no.

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Key for Sutherland obviously, I mean is the son of

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Donald Sutherland, who was a huge actor in the seventies,

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and so I always kind of had that same kind

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of idea that hey, he's just a he's following in

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the family business, right, But it turns out like Keifer

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Sutherland didn't really grow up with Donald. He lived in

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Canada with his mom. He ran away from home when

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he was fifteen years old and really decided to go

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out and be an actor and just did it on

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his own if he told his folks about it after

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he had already started having some success with it. But

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I saw this interview where they're talking to Jason Patrick

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and Key for Sutherland and the interviewer says, you know,

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I heard that you guys both turn this down, and

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Key for Sutherland was like, I didn't turn it down.

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I would have done a Campbell super commercial at that

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stage because he hadn't done anything.

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Speaker 2: He had done at Close Range, Right, Joel Schumacher was

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moved by his appearance at the very end of At

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Close Range. It's a courtroom scene and basically he was

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emoting just using his face. Right and stand By Me,

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he had filmed, but it hadn't been released yet, so

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he hadn't really didn't have a lot to stand on, right,

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so to speak.

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Speaker 1: Here's a story on that real quick. It's totally sidetrack,

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all right, sidetrack, Okay, So he was in that movie

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with all of those guys, including Corey Feldman, but also

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River Phoenix, right and stand by Me, and he knew

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how to play the guitar. River Phoenix was learning how

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to play the guitar. And if you don't know, stand

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By Me is based upon a Stephen King story called

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The Body, and that's what the original name of the

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movie was going to be, was The Body. And so he's,

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you know, between takes, when they're not working, he's working

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with River Phoenix on the guitar, and he's like, oh,

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do you know the song stand by Me? That's a

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simple one. It's a good one to start off with.

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And while they're sitting there playing it, Rob Reiner walks

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by and he's like, oh, stand by Me. I love

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that song, And like three weeks later that became the

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title of the movie.

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Speaker 2: Wow, that is a great story that I have never heard.

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That is really cool. Just as a side note, the

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body stand by Me written by Stephen King. Yeah, fright night.

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There are a lot of similarities to Stephen King's story

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called Salem's Life.

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Speaker 1: Back to the cast, Yeah, so we're still we're working

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on the cast of Lost Boy still, Okay. So ultimately

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Joel Schumacher met with Jason Patrick and convinced him to

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do it by saying that he would allow him to

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have some creative input on how to handle things, and

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Keifer Sutherland said he was actually kind of instrumental in

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the way that the movie turned out. Interestingly, he and

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Keifer Sutherland are very close friends. But whenever key for

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Sutherland broke off his engagement with Julia Roberts. She ran

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off to Europe with Jason Patrick and they were a

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couple out there.

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Speaker 2: I know, I know that's awkward, but I've heard him

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talk since then their friendship has outlasted that little trade off.

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Speaker 1: So the outlasted the Runaway Bride, Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 2: Jason Patrick is also very instrumental in hiring Jamie Gertz.

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They yeah, they would not have hired her only because

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of Jason Patrick's insistence she had been in a movie

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with him called Solar Babies. When they were looking to

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hire an actress for the part of Star, Schumacher was

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looking for someone a little more like Meg Ryan. Blonde, right,

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sort of shorter haircut. Burnett was not even on the board.

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But you know what, as a fourteen year old boy

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at the time, we're very thankful that they went with

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Jamie Gertz.

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Speaker 1: Right, nothing wrong with Meg Ryan, but yeah, Jamie Gertz,

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she had her hot going on in this movie.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, majors.

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Speaker 1: So they've got all of these newbies and then they

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they said, let's swing for the fences and let's try

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to get Diane Weese to play the mom. Now she's

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just won the Academy Award for best supporting actress for

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Hannah and her sisters. So they're just thinking there's no way. Nope,

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she totally said, yeah, sounds great, Let's do it.

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Speaker 2: Let's do it. Yeah. This is the introduction the to

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Corey's right, Corey Felderman and Corey Ham became friends in

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this movie, and they did a bunch of movies together,

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you know, movies like Dream, A Little Dream, and Licensed

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to Drive and Some Fun Used to Drive.

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Speaker 1: Heather Graham so pretty.

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Speaker 2: But this movie gave us Alex Winter Yeah, Bill s

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Preston Esquire as a vampire. Yeap, how well is that excellent? Okay?

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Flipped back to casting for Fright Night.

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Speaker 1: Did you ever watch The Edison Twins?

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Speaker 2: No, not familiar.

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Speaker 1: I watched it all the time. Apparently that was Corey

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Ham's first big role. His sister was the one who

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wanted to be an actress, and he would just go

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with her to her auditions. But they noticed him there

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and so he got he got parts and various things.

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Started acting when he was ten in The Edison Twins,

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and of course he did Lucas, which is a huge

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one from the eighties. Charlie Sheen, who was up to

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be cast as Charlie in Fright Night.

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Speaker 2: I know it's awesome.

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Speaker 1: But Tom Holland looked at him and said, no, you

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look like a hero. You look like a superhero. You're

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too good looking. No, how't you go? We want somebody

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who looks more like the boy next door. And I

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think that they cast it perfectly.

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Speaker 2: I did too. Walliam Rexdale does a great job. He

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is whiny enough, but you can see him trying to

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become a man, you know what I mean. Yeah, Charlie

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Sheen just walks in the room AND's like, I'm gonna

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go kick his butt. You believe it.

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Speaker 1: So he had been he had had a failed audition, decided,

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you know what, I've met that casting director. I'll give

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her a call and see if, you know, if I

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can take her to lunch. And so he said, you

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want to go to lunch? And she said no, but

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you have a part that you'd be perfect for. Why

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don't you come out in an audition for this Fright Night movie.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk about Chris Sarandon for a second. Okay, before

470
00:24:08,599 --> 00:24:11,039
Fright Night, I didn't know who this guy was. To me,

471
00:24:11,319 --> 00:24:14,359
He's he's always going to be Jerry Dandridge, the Killer

472
00:24:14,519 --> 00:24:16,039
cool vampire.

473
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:18,599
Speaker 1: To me, he's always going to be Prince humperdink.

474
00:24:18,519 --> 00:24:20,799
Speaker 2: I've got my bride to kill, my wedding to plan,

475
00:24:21,039 --> 00:24:21,559
which sump.

476
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:25,039
Speaker 1: Like Jason Patrick, he was not excited about doing this

477
00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:28,039
movie and was going to turn it down. He had

478
00:24:28,079 --> 00:24:32,119
been in another kind of horror type movie called The Sentinel.

479
00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:36,279
It was not a good experience for him. And that's

480
00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:40,920
kind of ironic because both The Sentinel and Scream for Help,

481
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:42,759
which was the Tom Holland movie that he was super

482
00:24:42,799 --> 00:24:46,000
disappointed about, were both directed by the same guy. Both

483
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:49,960
directed by Michael Winner, So Michael Winner not a Winner apparently.

484
00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:54,759
So what happened was he read that he started reading

485
00:24:54,799 --> 00:24:57,920
the script and he couldn't stop. He couldn't put it down,

486
00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:00,400
and he said to his wife at the time, this

487
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,640
is actually an amazing story. I'm just still a little

488
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,400
worried about how it's going to turn out on film.

489
00:25:07,079 --> 00:25:10,119
And so within the next couple of days he's arranged

490
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:13,039
a meeting with Tom Holland, and Tom Holland had so

491
00:25:13,279 --> 00:25:16,079
much love and devotion to this script that he was

492
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:19,799
able to go through basically shot by shot with Chris

493
00:25:19,839 --> 00:25:23,319
Saranon about what was going to happen and basically played

494
00:25:23,319 --> 00:25:26,000
the whole movie for him in two hours just by

495
00:25:26,599 --> 00:25:29,640
reciting it to him, and Chris said, I'm in let's

496
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:29,960
do it.

497
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:32,680
Speaker 2: That's awesome. I love that. Love that story when a

498
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:35,599
director is that passionate about a project and can sell

499
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:37,559
an actor and say, hey, come do this with me.

500
00:25:37,599 --> 00:25:39,799
We're going to make this really cool project. It's great.

501
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:40,160
Speaker 1: Now.

502
00:25:40,279 --> 00:25:43,359
Speaker 2: One of the guys I think that does an amazing

503
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:46,079
job is Steven Jefferies, the guy who plays Evil Ed.

504
00:25:46,519 --> 00:25:49,920
Speaker 1: Yeah. So he had just come from a movie also

505
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:54,559
with Amanda Bierce in it called Fraternity Vacation, which is

506
00:25:54,759 --> 00:25:57,839
not a good movie. It's just one of those you know.

507
00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:00,319
Speaker 2: Dumb it's spring yeah.

508
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:04,039
Speaker 1: Spring break movie. I to believe. It had Tim Robbins

509
00:26:04,599 --> 00:26:08,519
Robbinson who of course then went on to Nucleus with

510
00:26:08,759 --> 00:26:14,599
Susan Strandon from Yeah from Bull Durham. Interesting. So yeah,

511
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:18,759
So Stephen Jeffries and Amanda Beers were both in Fraternity

512
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:23,000
Vacation at the time that they got cast in Fright Night.

513
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:27,720
Speaker 2: Okay, so Amanda Beers was the last actor cast for

514
00:26:27,799 --> 00:26:30,599
Fright Night. Yeah, And I think Stephen Jefferies even said, hey,

515
00:26:30,759 --> 00:26:33,079
I just got done working with this girl they had

516
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:35,400
played a couple in that movie.

517
00:26:35,559 --> 00:26:37,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's like, hey, she was good.

518
00:26:37,799 --> 00:26:39,680
Speaker 2: She looks like the girl next door and they brought

519
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:40,640
her in and she was perfect.

520
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:40,920
Speaker 1: Yeah.

521
00:26:41,079 --> 00:26:43,640
Speaker 2: You know. She was twenty seven when she did Fright Night,

522
00:26:43,839 --> 00:26:46,759
which I think was really good because over the course

523
00:26:46,799 --> 00:26:51,400
of the movie she goes from naive, scared prude team

524
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:56,480
to sexy, active, sexy, passionate vampiris. You need a woman

525
00:26:56,599 --> 00:26:57,599
to pull that off, I think.

526
00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:00,599
Speaker 1: And Stephen Jeffries, you know, he had been he had thinking,

527
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:02,240
he had been thinking that he was going to get

528
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:04,799
cast in the role of Charlie Brewster and was actually

529
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,319
disappointed when he found out that he was going to

530
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:10,799
be evil ed. But he is one of the most

531
00:27:10,799 --> 00:27:14,279
memorable parts in the whole movie. Oh you're so cool, Brewster.

532
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:18,160
Speaker 2: I can stand it. You know another movie he was

533
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,200
in at Close Range with Keeper Setlin.

534
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:24,839
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, how about that fantastic. So Vincent Price said

535
00:27:24,839 --> 00:27:26,240
he's not going to be Peter Vincent.

536
00:27:26,599 --> 00:27:28,920
Speaker 2: So they talked to Vincent Price. He turned him down.

537
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,839
Of course, he was not well health wise, and he

538
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:34,039
wasn't really interested in doing horror movies at that time.

539
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:37,119
Roddy McDowell had been in Planet of the Apes, in

540
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:38,759
a movie that I used to watch a lot called

541
00:27:38,759 --> 00:27:41,119
The Black Hole. That they went to him and said, Hey,

542
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,200
we're doing this horror movie. We want to play it

543
00:27:43,319 --> 00:27:47,119
as a Vincent Price type of character. And he said

544
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:49,519
in his mind, he was like, I'm going to play

545
00:27:49,519 --> 00:27:52,359
this as like a bad imitation of Vincent Price. So

546
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,440
they went to him and he was like, yeah, Okay,

547
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:55,640
I think I can do something with this.

548
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,400
Speaker 1: What he decided was he was not going to be

549
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:00,920
He was going to be the ham actor who could

550
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,480
never do anything better than these bad horror movies. And

551
00:28:03,519 --> 00:28:06,440
they've had that character in that first scene that you

552
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,640
see him in the TV and he's the he's got

553
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:11,599
the spike and he's about to drive it into the

554
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,039
He's got the spike backwards.

555
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:16,519
Speaker 2: That is so funny, and a lot of people don't

556
00:28:16,599 --> 00:28:18,960
realize that he's going to go stake the vad Barnets.

557
00:28:19,079 --> 00:28:21,480
The business end of the stake is bording the wrong direction.

558
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:29,079
Speaker 1: Okay, so did you know that there were actually TV

559
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:31,039
shows called Fright Night?

560
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 2: Really?

561
00:28:33,079 --> 00:28:35,759
Speaker 1: Yes? So back in the seventies there were a couple

562
00:28:35,799 --> 00:28:40,400
of different shows. One was broadcasted by an La Station

563
00:28:40,559 --> 00:28:43,640
one was by its sister station in New York City,

564
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:48,680
but it was called Fright Night and the host originally

565
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:51,880
when it started back in nineteen seventy, they called him

566
00:28:52,039 --> 00:28:58,839
Sinister Seymour, but his real name Larry Vincent. Hey got

567
00:28:58,839 --> 00:29:00,160
to be the inspiration, right eight.

568
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:05,119
Speaker 4: It's like Peter Vincent's cousin, right, yes, yeah, And he

569
00:29:05,119 --> 00:29:07,880
would just he would make fun of the audience for

570
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,039
watching the movies that they were putting on because they

571
00:29:10,039 --> 00:29:13,880
were just really the worst of the worst be horror movies.

572
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:17,599
Speaker 1: So he would call them four flushers and it's a

573
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:21,960
hard time. But then Larry Vincent died in nineteen seventy five.

574
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:26,640
Another guy takes over for a while and eventually the

575
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,039
show's looking like it's going to die out. But then

576
00:29:29,319 --> 00:29:33,480
in nineteen eighty one they decide to revive the show

577
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,200
and do you know who the new host is? Tell

578
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:39,920
me Elvira, Mistress of the Dark, and they renamed it

579
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:41,960
Movie macabb That.

580
00:29:42,039 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 2: Is awesome, man, I love Elvira.

581
00:29:45,799 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 1: What other podcast are you going to get that kind

582
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:48,200
of information?

583
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:56,039
Speaker 2: That's awesome, man, that's awesome. Jonathan Stark plays Billy Cole,

584
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:59,079
who he had been involved in like Second City. He

585
00:29:59,119 --> 00:30:02,359
was an improv type guy, mostly comedic type of stuff.

586
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:05,319
Speaker 1: When he came in to do his audition, he did

587
00:30:05,319 --> 00:30:09,359
the part where Charlie has brought the cop over to

588
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,799
try to find the dead body or whatever accusing Jerry

589
00:30:12,839 --> 00:30:15,839
of murder. And so he looked at that scene and

590
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:18,039
said to me, the way to play this is to

591
00:30:18,079 --> 00:30:22,680
play it funny. So I'm going to improv it a

592
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:25,279
little bit and I'm going to play it up as funny.

593
00:30:25,319 --> 00:30:26,960
And that's what went in the part, and it was

594
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,079
a great They did a great job with that scene.

595
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:32,240
He and the cop, who was played by Art Evans,

596
00:30:32,319 --> 00:30:35,000
they did a fantastic job of kind of riffing off

597
00:30:35,039 --> 00:30:37,519
each other in that scene to make it funny. And

598
00:30:37,559 --> 00:30:40,160
that's and it went better that way. It went better

599
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:43,200
to have them making fun of Charlie because that's really

600
00:30:43,319 --> 00:30:44,519
kind of what would happen.

601
00:30:44,319 --> 00:30:45,559
Speaker 2: Right, Yep, for sure.

602
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 1: And then of course, an extremely well played performance of

603
00:30:50,519 --> 00:30:55,200
Hooker by Heidi Sorenson, who has also been in Spies

604
00:30:55,319 --> 00:30:57,599
like Us Sharp Looking Lady.

605
00:30:57,839 --> 00:31:00,839
Speaker 2: She was the Playmate of the Month July nineteen eighty one.

606
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:02,079
Speaker 1: Say it.

607
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 2: Google search when she did her part. Okay, we have

608
00:31:10,039 --> 00:31:11,440
to talk about this. I don't know if this will

609
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,319
make the final cut, but the director of the movie

610
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:17,720
really wanted her to be stunning and something that would

611
00:31:17,759 --> 00:31:18,920
really catch Charlie's eye.

612
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:21,079
Speaker 1: Yes, so he wanted to.

613
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:26,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. So he went to the costume designer and said,

614
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,880
do you think you could tell her to, you know,

615
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:34,319
rub ice on her nips to try and you know,

616
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:40,480
get Charlie's attention. Yep, And so she did and effective.

617
00:31:41,359 --> 00:31:41,839
Speaker 1: Effective.

618
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 2: We're giving it up to Heidi Swormson.

619
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 1: Yeah. So a couple of similar events happened in both

620
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:02,759
of these movies. The Breaking of Bones so key for

621
00:32:02,839 --> 00:32:07,680
Sutherland is plays David in The Lost Boys, and he's

622
00:32:08,039 --> 00:32:11,799
they did all of their own motorcycle scenes, right right,

623
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:14,359
They all drove their own motorcycles. And so at some

624
00:32:14,519 --> 00:32:19,000
point between takes, he's on his motorcycle on the boardwalk

625
00:32:19,119 --> 00:32:21,839
and there's this kind of hot girl walking around at

626
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:25,720
the boardwalk, and so he starts popping Wheelie's to show

627
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:30,000
off for and ultimately loses control, runs the bike into

628
00:32:30,039 --> 00:32:32,799
the railroad tracks, which falls over on top of him

629
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:36,160
and breaks his arm in three places. You will notice

630
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:39,000
at some point in the movie that he a hand

631
00:32:39,079 --> 00:32:44,319
becomes gloved and stays gloved throughout the remainder of the movie. Well,

632
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:47,799
Jamie Gertz didn't know about this, right, And so they're

633
00:32:47,839 --> 00:32:51,079
doing these motorcycles and because it's his right hand that's broken,

634
00:32:51,119 --> 00:32:54,079
they had to they had to revamp the do you

635
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:57,559
like that pun? Nice vamp? They had to revamp the

636
00:32:57,599 --> 00:33:01,240
motorcycle and put the throttle on on the left hand side.

637
00:33:01,599 --> 00:33:03,440
And so she gets on the back of the bike

638
00:33:03,519 --> 00:33:06,359
ready to shoot this scene and she's looking and she's like,

639
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:07,680
why is it on the other side? And then she

640
00:33:07,759 --> 00:33:10,960
sees his arms. She's like, what happened to your hand?

641
00:33:11,079 --> 00:33:13,519
And he's like, I broke my arm in three places

642
00:33:13,519 --> 00:33:16,000
and she's like, are you sure you can drive this thing?

643
00:33:16,599 --> 00:33:18,880
And he goes, well, we'll see and takes off.

644
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 2: So yeah, I thought that was an interesting story. So

645
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:28,559
Kiver Solon broke his wrist. William Ragsdale injured his foot

646
00:33:28,759 --> 00:33:32,079
when he was running down the staircase during the last shot,

647
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:35,480
filmed on Christmas Eve nineteen eighty four, just three weeks

648
00:33:35,519 --> 00:33:37,960
into principal photography. So he was this is the scene

649
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:39,400
where he had to come down the stairs and meet

650
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:42,640
Jerry the vampire right right, which that the scene is

651
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,640
kind of goofy anyway, because anytime I call my teenager

652
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:48,519
to come downstairs for me, he's like whistling a tune

653
00:33:48,519 --> 00:33:50,880
and coming down. Sure, bom, what's going on? I'm like,

654
00:33:51,319 --> 00:33:53,559
that never happens in my house. The director said, okay,

655
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:56,039
let's try it again, just do it faster. This is

656
00:33:56,119 --> 00:33:59,680
literally the last shot before they break before Christmas break. Yeah,

657
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:02,039
and he stumbles and falls and breaks his foot when

658
00:34:02,079 --> 00:34:03,160
he's coming down the stairs.

659
00:34:03,359 --> 00:34:07,599
Speaker 1: Yeah. They he's he falls and he's like, I sprained

660
00:34:07,599 --> 00:34:10,559
my leg, guys, and so they go grab some is

661
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:13,159
center icing it up, and the guy who's the sound

662
00:34:13,199 --> 00:34:18,039
guy comes over to Tom Holland and says, it's not sprained,

663
00:34:18,079 --> 00:34:21,599
it's broken. He's like what, He goes, I heard it.

664
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:26,119
I heard it break, And they went up, yeah, and

665
00:34:26,119 --> 00:34:28,320
it's sure enough it was broken. So he had to

666
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:31,480
postpone his more active scenes until later on in the movie.

667
00:34:31,559 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 2: Wow, that's cool. Let's talk about location for a second. Okay,

668
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,800
both of these have an interesting location, I think.

669
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:39,400
Speaker 1: Yes.

670
00:34:39,519 --> 00:34:44,800
Speaker 2: Well, Fright Night was filmed at the same Hollywood backlot

671
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:46,920
as The Burbs. You ever seen the Tom Hanks movie

672
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:47,360
The Burbs?

673
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:50,559
Speaker 1: Love it. Yeah, also has Corey Feldman and of course.

674
00:34:50,559 --> 00:34:53,280
Speaker 2: Yep, same street. And then of course The Lost Boys.

675
00:34:53,599 --> 00:34:57,559
There's that shot in Santa Cruz, California. You have the

676
00:34:57,599 --> 00:35:00,800
Santa Cruz Boardwalk and you have that amusement right there

677
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:06,159
setting heavy Lost Boys, and they were actually reluctant to

678
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:09,920
have the movie film there because of the Murder Capital

679
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:13,639
of the World line from The Lost Boys and that place.

680
00:35:13,679 --> 00:35:16,719
Santa Cruz had had a murderer in the seventies who

681
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:19,480
was who had gone on a killing spree, and so

682
00:35:19,519 --> 00:35:22,559
they were real reluctant to have the Murder Capital of

683
00:35:22,599 --> 00:35:25,840
the World story, but because the movie made the boarderwalk

684
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:28,960
look really cool and fun, they decided to do it.

685
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:32,880
Speaker 1: So from nineteen seventy until early nineteen seventy three, Santa

686
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:38,320
Cruz was terrorized by two serial killers and one mass murderer,

687
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:43,280
turning the once sleepy beach down into the murder Capital

688
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:48,159
of the world. So there were actually three killers in

689
00:35:48,199 --> 00:35:51,199
a three year period, operating heavily at the time, so

690
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:52,840
it really was the murder capital of the world.

691
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,679
Speaker 2: That's crazy, isn't that insane?

692
00:35:56,039 --> 00:35:56,360
Speaker 1: Cruz.

693
00:35:57,039 --> 00:35:58,599
Speaker 2: I think it'd be cool to go out there sometime

694
00:35:58,639 --> 00:36:01,360
I think that from this roller coaster is still there

695
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:04,760
and still operates. And I know that every summer they

696
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:08,039
have a free beach movie series that they show while

697
00:36:08,079 --> 00:36:09,800
they're out there, and Lost Boys is on that list.

698
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:11,119
They always show the Lost Boys.

699
00:36:14,599 --> 00:36:18,119
Speaker 1: So in addition to the two Broken Bone stories, we

700
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:22,760
also have two going out in costume stories. Keifer Sutherland

701
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:26,559
and Jason Patrick were in the midst of the scene

702
00:36:26,559 --> 00:36:29,280
where they're fighting each other and they're both vamped out

703
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:32,159
and they broke for lunch and Keifer was like, man,

704
00:36:32,199 --> 00:36:34,440
I don't eat the studio food again. Let's go get

705
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:38,599
something to eat. So they went out in like full makeup,

706
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:41,960
out driving to go get a burger or something and

707
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:46,119
somebody they pull up to the stoplight and some lady

708
00:36:46,159 --> 00:36:50,440
looks over at them and she goes, you're disgusting, and

709
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:54,000
then it's off and it was like, we felt like

710
00:36:54,039 --> 00:36:58,400
we were a success for the day. And the same

711
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:02,760
thing happened to Nathan Stark. Yeah, John John, Yeah, yeah.

712
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:05,519
Jonathan Stark had been in that. He was he had

713
00:37:05,519 --> 00:37:08,360
finished up with the scene where he melts, and so

714
00:37:08,559 --> 00:37:11,280
they get done shooting for the day and he's like, oh, hey,

715
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:13,360
can I go shower? Off before I go home, and

716
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:16,000
they're like, oh, now the plumbing's messed up. You can't

717
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,159
shower here. He's like, okay, well, I guess I'm just

718
00:37:18,199 --> 00:37:20,599
going to drive straight home. So he gets in his car,

719
00:37:20,679 --> 00:37:23,159
and of course he's almost out of gas. So he

720
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:25,559
got to stop at a gas station, and he says

721
00:37:25,599 --> 00:37:27,519
the guy. He goes to a full service station. The

722
00:37:27,519 --> 00:37:29,559
guy walks up to his window and just turns white.

723
00:37:30,199 --> 00:37:32,400
He got the gas for him. Didn't say anything, but

724
00:37:32,519 --> 00:37:34,599
like as soon as he pulls off, he's looking in

725
00:37:34,599 --> 00:37:36,440
his rear view mirror and he sees the guy running

726
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:39,719
for the phone, and it's like, sure, he's calling the cops.

727
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:41,159
I'm gonna have the cops pull me over on the

728
00:37:41,159 --> 00:37:48,360
way to my house. He's talked about this before the

729
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:52,800
Billy Idol haircut. So you had said, Hey, I've heard this,

730
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:56,000
I haven't confirmed it. I've got it confirmed. I heard

731
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:59,320
the story from Kiefer Sutherland. Here it is okay, yeah, okay,

732
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:02,880
so old Schumacher says to Keifer Sutherland, Listen, I want

733
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,559
these guys to look like rock and rollers. So let

734
00:38:05,639 --> 00:38:08,239
your hair get long, stay long, but I want it

735
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:11,800
to be white, and so Keifer Sutherland's letting his hair

736
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:15,320
grow really out. It's already pretty long. Then he does

737
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:19,039
the white hair and he says, I looked like Rick

738
00:38:19,119 --> 00:38:24,360
Flair the rest. I look ridiculous with his long white hair,

739
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:28,320
and he said so right at this time, Billy Idol

740
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:31,800
had just gone out solo. He had just left Generation X,

741
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:34,840
gone out solo and was super popular, and so he's like,

742
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:38,119
I'll get the top cut like Billy Idol's hair, and

743
00:38:38,159 --> 00:38:41,159
I'll leave the back long. So that's how you get

744
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:44,440
That's how you get David's haircut. He didn't invent the mullet,

745
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:47,199
but he certainly made it popular for another few years

746
00:38:47,199 --> 00:38:50,880
after After that movie came out the kind of Bosworth

747
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:53,719
Yeah business upfront party in the back No.

748
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 2: I definitely agree. It's it's Billy Idol mixed with a

749
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,639
little bit of Ryan Bosworth. Very cool. And then the

750
00:38:59,679 --> 00:39:03,519
fine fight scene is basically Billy Idol fighting Jim Morrison.

751
00:39:03,599 --> 00:39:06,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, because Jason Patrick really does. I have to think

752
00:39:06,599 --> 00:39:08,880
that's why they wanted him so bad is because how

753
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:10,840
much he looked like Jim Morrison back then, Because they've

754
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:14,000
got the huge Jim Morrison poster in the in the

755
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:18,079
Sunken hotel, they play the doors people are strange, and

756
00:39:18,119 --> 00:39:22,480
the intro of the movie there's definitely a Jim Morrison

757
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:23,760
bent going on.

758
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:31,559
Speaker 2: There for sure. Fine, Okay, I've got something on production

759
00:39:31,639 --> 00:39:33,599
that both of these haven't in common that I thought

760
00:39:33,639 --> 00:39:37,320
was interesting. Go ahead, Okay, think you back to nineteen

761
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:41,800
eighty six if you had vision problems and you needed contacts.

762
00:39:42,159 --> 00:39:46,960
They're not the soft, comfortable, easy going things that we

763
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:51,519
have today. They're made of glass. They're uncomfortable, they're difficult

764
00:39:51,519 --> 00:39:55,920
to put in. So both of these movies feature full

765
00:39:56,039 --> 00:40:02,599
on entire eye glass contact that were super cool. They

766
00:40:02,639 --> 00:40:07,440
are super effective in the movie, but very painful. Can

767
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:09,199
only shoot for three or four minutes and then you

768
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:10,000
got to pull them out.

769
00:40:10,119 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 1: Ye.

770
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:14,119
Speaker 2: Not something I want to do very often. But they're very,

771
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:19,360
very cool looking. Stephen Jefferies actually had some temporary blindness

772
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:21,800
and had severe scratches because of these.

773
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 1: So Jonathan Stark had Originally he was supposed to have

774
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:27,880
those lenses in when he's coming up the stairs at

775
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:32,400
him like the old Abbott Costello routine. Yep, but he

776
00:40:32,559 --> 00:40:36,480
kept tripping on the stairs. Just take them out, Just

777
00:40:36,519 --> 00:40:40,679
take them out. And Amanda Beers was like when they

778
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:42,920
put hers in. She's like, this is unbearable. I didn't

779
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:44,880
know how bad this was. It's really unbearable. And then

780
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:47,519
they realized they hadn't sanded it down, so she actually

781
00:40:47,559 --> 00:40:49,719
had a rough edge on these glass contact lenses.

782
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:50,880
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.

783
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 1: But probably the most important thing that happened from these

784
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:59,760
glass contact lenses is with Keifer Sutherland in Lost Boys,

785
00:41:00,119 --> 00:41:03,800
that moment in the movie where he sheds a tear.

786
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:04,800
Speaker 2: Uh huh.

787
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:08,840
Speaker 1: It is because of the glass shooting and shooting and

788
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:10,840
like it was supposed to be, you know, you're done

789
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:12,960
in seven minutes, and he was like on minute eight

790
00:41:13,559 --> 00:41:15,719
and it was just like I could not stop it

791
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:19,000
from happening, just could not stop it.

792
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:22,079
Speaker 2: That's awesome, that's awesome. I heard him talking about it.

793
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:25,719
So the scene where they're hanging upside down in the cave,

794
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:28,800
so he's talking about the filming process, right, you have

795
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:31,800
this really long he said. They were forty feet up

796
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:34,119
in the air, dangling from the top of the cave,

797
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:37,400
he said, which that took time to get them up there,

798
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:40,199
set up ready to go. They had to put those

799
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:43,079
stupid contacts in their eyes, uh huh. So they had

800
00:41:43,519 --> 00:41:46,280
all this effort plug their eyes. Okay, here we go.

801
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:48,840
Ready action, and you got like three or four minutes

802
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:51,559
to get everything you've got and then okay, that's it.

803
00:41:51,679 --> 00:41:53,519
Get them down, take the things out of their eyes.

804
00:41:53,639 --> 00:41:56,679
So just a tremendous amount of effort to get that shot.

805
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:58,679
But again it works. It's really good.

806
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:01,840
Speaker 1: We're kind of moving into special effects a little bit,

807
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:03,880
so before we get there, I just want to tell

808
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:07,079
one quick story. So Keifer Sutherland talks about how much

809
00:42:07,119 --> 00:42:09,599
he learned about acting from this movie. You know, obviously

810
00:42:09,599 --> 00:42:12,519
you've got a lot of young, very new actors, but

811
00:42:12,599 --> 00:42:17,719
you've got these handful of older, more experienced actors. And

812
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:20,119
he says he can remember shooting the scene with Diane

813
00:42:20,119 --> 00:42:22,639
West where she's making the call. You remember when they're

814
00:42:22,639 --> 00:42:24,639
in the restaurant and she comes to talk on the

815
00:42:24,679 --> 00:42:28,239
phone to Sam because he's freaking out because Michael's, oh,

816
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:31,960
he's coming to get me. Well, yeah, so she when

817
00:42:32,159 --> 00:42:33,960
she picks up the they're shooting the scene. When she

818
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:36,599
picks up the phone, she takes out her ear ring

819
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:39,800
and puts the phone up and Joel Schumacher's like cut

820
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:42,320
and he's like, Diane, what's wrong? And she's like, what

821
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:44,039
are you talking about and he goes, well, you took

822
00:42:44,079 --> 00:42:46,400
your earring out. Is there's something wrong your earring? And

823
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:49,079
she's like, no, I'm about to talk on the phone.

824
00:42:49,159 --> 00:42:51,280
That's what a woman does when she's about to talk

825
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:53,320
on the phone, and she takes her earring out so

826
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:56,280
that doesn't smash her earring. And Keifer Sutherland like was

827
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:59,519
that was such an impactful moment because you have to

828
00:42:59,559 --> 00:43:02,800
bring the reality of your own world to whatever character

829
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:05,119
that you're playing, and it was just kind of neat

830
00:43:05,119 --> 00:43:06,079
to see that play out.

831
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:10,159
Speaker 2: That's cool. Yeah, I've got an I've got another little tidbit. Interestingly,

832
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:14,760
the word Michael is said one hundred and eight times

833
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:17,360
in The Lost Boys. Yeah, and there's you can go

834
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:20,800
to YouTube and and and have a video of every

835
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:24,880
time it said dings for you, Michael, Michael, Michael, Michael Michael.

836
00:43:25,599 --> 00:43:29,880
But in Fright Night, the word Charlie has said sixty

837
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:30,480
two times.

838
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:31,079
Speaker 1: Yep.

839
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:33,800
Speaker 2: Just kind of interesting. They say the main character's name

840
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:35,159
a bunch.

841
00:43:35,199 --> 00:43:40,639
Speaker 1: Kind of like Titanic Jack Jack Jack Jack Jack Jack. Uh.

842
00:43:40,679 --> 00:43:42,599
Speaker 2: So, before we move into special effects, I've got a

843
00:43:42,639 --> 00:43:44,559
couple of tidbits from Fright Night that I will to

844
00:43:44,559 --> 00:43:47,480
throw at you. So one of the sort of interesting

845
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:51,400
things that they discover in Jerry's house is this painting

846
00:43:51,599 --> 00:43:54,079
of a woman who looks very similar to Amy. That

847
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:58,320
was actually Chris Randon's idea. He wanted Jerry Dandridge to

848
00:43:58,519 --> 00:44:02,239
have a humanity to him. So the fact that Amy

849
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:06,599
represented a long lost love of Jerry was an extra

850
00:44:06,679 --> 00:44:09,519
layer to that character that Chris Randon came up with.

851
00:44:09,639 --> 00:44:13,239
And also the fact that he when he first approaches

852
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:16,599
Charlie in his room and give you something I don't

853
00:44:16,639 --> 00:44:19,840
have gives him a choice choice. He's got him up

854
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:23,800
against the wall. He's totally overpowered him, and he asks Charlie.

855
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:26,639
He says, forget about me. Charlie, if I kill you,

856
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:29,239
that would give you something that I don't have a choice.

857
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:32,079
What he say, forget about me? And Charlie pulls out

858
00:44:32,079 --> 00:44:36,800
a crucifix and you see that that scene, the emotion

859
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:41,239
of that scene, it's like it saddens and disappoints Jerry.

860
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:45,000
It's sad because he has to kill Charlie. Yeah, and

861
00:44:45,039 --> 00:44:48,599
even though he's a total vampire badass, he still has

862
00:44:48,599 --> 00:44:49,760
a humanity to him.

863
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:54,079
Speaker 1: So the apple bit, you know he's always walking around

864
00:44:54,119 --> 00:44:58,039
that was another contribution by Chris Sarandon, and He's like

865
00:44:58,079 --> 00:45:00,239
I I had just had, you know, I wanted. I'm

866
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:03,239
looking for ways to make him more human or give

867
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:06,880
him humanity, like you said. And so I started reading

868
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:09,760
about bats, and I learned that ninety percent of bats

869
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:12,719
are actually fruit bat type of bats. You know, they

870
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:15,679
eat fruit for survival. And so I just decided that

871
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:19,159
I've got some fruit bat DNA and my ancestry. And

872
00:45:19,199 --> 00:45:21,920
so that's why I'm always walking around eating these apples

873
00:45:22,559 --> 00:45:25,519
with the idea that I'm cleansing my palette after I've

874
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:26,760
devoured a victim.

875
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 2: Super cool, super subtle, and he even uses the apple

876
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:33,000
to kind of draw Charlie out neat idea. I think

877
00:45:33,159 --> 00:45:35,639
here's something that I thought was really cool. Just another

878
00:45:35,639 --> 00:45:38,000
little tidbit from behind the scenes at Fright Night. The

879
00:45:38,079 --> 00:45:40,679
cast and crew members of Fright Night recalled that Roddy

880
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:44,920
McDowell spent tons of time videotaping behind the scenes. He

881
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:48,840
had his own little camera, little camcorder and videotaping. Nobody

882
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:50,960
ever saw the tapes, and nobody knows where they are.

883
00:45:51,079 --> 00:45:52,719
Speaker 1: We ready to move on to special effects.

884
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:54,840
Speaker 2: Let's try to go for special effects.

885
00:45:54,639 --> 00:45:57,559
Speaker 1: Okay, So the when they decided to do Fright Night,

886
00:45:57,559 --> 00:46:00,199
They're like, let's give Rick Baker a call, because who

887
00:46:00,199 --> 00:46:02,239
else you're gonna call if you've got a monster movie?

888
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:05,320
But Rick Baker and Rick Baker said, no, I don't

889
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:08,039
really want to do that, but you guys should give

890
00:46:08,519 --> 00:46:11,039
Richard Edlin to call. And Richard Edlin was kind of

891
00:46:11,079 --> 00:46:14,039
like his main guy had helped him out with Star Wars,

892
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:16,719
and Richard Edlin and a lot of the guys who

893
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:20,039
did the Fright Night stuff had just finished with Ghostbusters,

894
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:23,119
which has some pretty cool special effects, right. I mean,

895
00:46:23,159 --> 00:46:24,960
you don't really think of it because it's such a comedy,

896
00:46:25,159 --> 00:46:28,199
but Ghostbusters actually had some really pretty cool special effects,

897
00:46:28,639 --> 00:46:31,400
and so it was a much higher budget film. And

898
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:35,559
so they come over from Ghostbusters to do this movie

899
00:46:35,599 --> 00:46:40,360
and they do all kinds of cool stuff, just amazing

900
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:43,880
things that they do with the bats. When Jerry gets

901
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:47,960
stabbed with the pencil and he has his transformation, and

902
00:46:48,039 --> 00:46:53,320
Jerry cannot handle pain, right, He's he got some humanity,

903
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:55,760
you know, and his choice giving and his apple eating,

904
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:58,760
and then he's also got some monster in his I

905
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:01,400
can't handle pain, and I'm a little bit petty. He

906
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:03,760
was a little. I felt like he's a little bit patty.

907
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:06,760
I felt like the cooler vampires would have let some

908
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:08,760
more of that stuff goes. But he was just like, no,

909
00:47:09,119 --> 00:47:11,679
I'm just a guy who's kind of a bully about things.

910
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:15,760
So this is the way it's gonna be. But anyway, he.

911
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 2: Destroyed Charlie's car for the fun of it, because he's

912
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:22,440
gonna kill him the next night. Anyway, right, what you're

913
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:24,639
gonna kill me, but you're gonna trash my car.

914
00:47:25,119 --> 00:47:27,840
Speaker 1: Really? That car, by the way, was Tom Hollands car.

915
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:29,599
I don't know if you knew that Tom Hollins car.

916
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:33,239
Oh cool. Yeah. So Steve Johnson was one of the

917
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:36,599
main special effects guys who's just hilarious. There's a great

918
00:47:36,639 --> 00:47:39,320
documentary on fright Night and he the guy's funny. Like

919
00:47:39,639 --> 00:47:42,079
the first thing that he says is I love doing

920
00:47:42,159 --> 00:47:43,760
this movie. I mean, for one thing, they had a

921
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:48,320
lot of cocaine. And so he was the guy responsible

922
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:50,760
for the pencil through the hand thing. And he had

923
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:53,360
seen you know, when you're a special effects guy, when

924
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:54,679
you watch a movie, what are you gonna do but

925
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:57,000
look at the special effects? Right, right, So he had

926
00:47:57,039 --> 00:48:02,239
seen EXCaliber and there's this scene where Lancelot is naked

927
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:06,800
and he gets a sword through like his abdomen and

928
00:48:07,079 --> 00:48:10,440
you can see you can see the sword going in

929
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:14,039
and you can see the sword on the other side

930
00:48:14,039 --> 00:48:14,440
of him.

931
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 2: Huh.

932
00:48:15,519 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 1: And then the sword he pulls the sword out and

933
00:48:20,199 --> 00:48:23,480
you know, a point comes out, and the point isn't

934
00:48:23,519 --> 00:48:26,039
behind him anymore, and he's just like, how the heck

935
00:48:26,159 --> 00:48:28,440
did he do that? How did they do that special effect?

936
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:32,039
And so was this really kind of tricky thing. He

937
00:48:32,159 --> 00:48:36,000
turns just momentarily as he's pulling the sword, and he's like,

938
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:38,320
they had to have a string on that point that

939
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they had in the back and a retractable blade for

940
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:43,039
the front, and so when he pulls it out, the

941
00:48:43,079 --> 00:48:46,320
retractable blade comes out, and as he turns, somebody yanks

942
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:49,599
that point off with a string, so you never see it.

943
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:53,559
And so he went through that whole process with pencil

944
00:48:53,559 --> 00:48:55,760
in the hand. He's like, right, you're going to see

945
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:58,320
the pencil going through his hand and then you're going

946
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:01,360
to see him pull the pencil out of his hand

947
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:04,519
and it's going to be awesome. And so he rigs

948
00:49:04,559 --> 00:49:07,159
the whole thing up. They do the scene. It works perfectly,

949
00:49:07,639 --> 00:49:11,199
and they start watching dailies. I think it was even

950
00:49:11,199 --> 00:49:13,320
after dailies, it's looked like they had done a pretty

951
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:15,800
well one of their final edits. Yeah yeah, And he's

952
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:19,760
watching with Tom Holland, and Tom Holland does an inter

953
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:24,000
cut scene of Charlie's reaction as he's pulling the pencil

954
00:49:24,039 --> 00:49:26,079
out and he's like, you ruined me.

955
00:49:27,199 --> 00:49:27,440
Speaker 3: Yeah.

956
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:30,280
Speaker 1: He's like, everybody's gonna just think that it happened while

957
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:32,880
you did the cutaway this with you know, you've runed it.

958
00:49:33,199 --> 00:49:37,360
So Tom Holland was like, okay, okay, yeah, well we

959
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:39,599
will take the reaction shot out for you and your

960
00:49:39,599 --> 00:49:40,360
special effect.

961
00:49:41,639 --> 00:49:45,320
Speaker 2: That's a great story, and we don't have practical effects

962
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:48,480
hardly anymore at all. These weren't computers. They didn't have

963
00:49:48,519 --> 00:49:50,239
green screens, and they didn't do all this stuff.

964
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:53,679
Speaker 1: So they looked real because they were real, right.

965
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 2: And we've lost that. I think anytime there's lots of

966
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:58,519
times I watch a movie, I'm like, these stupid computer

967
00:49:58,559 --> 00:49:59,239
effects they like.

968
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:04,079
Speaker 1: John, It's it's like watching American Werewolf in Paris after

969
00:50:04,159 --> 00:50:05,559
having seen American Werewolf.

970
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:07,599
Speaker 2: In London exactly exactly.

971
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:11,639
Speaker 1: The heck is that the actors had to endure hours

972
00:50:11,679 --> 00:50:13,679
and hours like Chris Saran, and to get into his

973
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:17,800
makeup like the full on monstered out Chris Aran took

974
00:50:18,079 --> 00:50:20,079
eight hours and they had he had to do that

975
00:50:20,159 --> 00:50:23,880
for several days, and so he was just their bored

976
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:25,800
and he said, can you guys teach me how to

977
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:28,400
do something so that I can do something for you guys?

978
00:50:28,519 --> 00:50:30,119
Maybe we speed this up a little bit and I'm

979
00:50:30,159 --> 00:50:33,440
not going insane while I'm just sitting here. And so

980
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:35,559
he ended up putting in the finger. They showed him

981
00:50:35,559 --> 00:50:37,519
how to put the finger extensions on when he had

982
00:50:37,519 --> 00:50:40,679
the long pointy fingers. So Chris Saran and you know,

983
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:43,760
learned to do some special effects for the movie. And

984
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:48,599
then they had they had Steven Jeffries in the wolf costume.

985
00:50:49,159 --> 00:50:50,480
You I don't know if you call it a costume.

986
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:53,239
I mean they they basically made him the wolf and

987
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:57,639
that was like eighteen hours, yep, and pretty brutal he

988
00:50:57,760 --> 00:50:59,679
had and he had that fa I mean, the most

989
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:03,159
maybe the most memorable scene in the whole movie to me,

990
00:51:03,639 --> 00:51:06,199
is the scene where they where he burns the cross

991
00:51:06,199 --> 00:51:12,519
into his forehead. Such a cool scene, fantastic, brilliant, brilliant scene.

992
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:13,079
Speaker 2: They had to use.

993
00:51:13,639 --> 00:51:17,079
Speaker 1: He had to go through the wolf process and it

994
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:21,480
was miserable for him as well, but they did. They

995
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:24,920
had a really great the transforming process. When that wolf

996
00:51:25,079 --> 00:51:28,000
is crawling along and he's half wolf and half man.

997
00:51:28,599 --> 00:51:31,440
It's I was sitting there going is this a machine?

998
00:51:31,599 --> 00:51:33,880
Is this a person? That looks real? I can't figure

999
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:36,239
out how they're doing it. They did a really great job.

1000
00:51:36,079 --> 00:51:39,920
Speaker 2: With Yeah, it's heartbreaking. That's that scene is truly heartbreaking.

1001
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:43,320
Every time I watch the movie where Evil ed Is

1002
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:47,400
has been stabbed and is transforming back to the boy

1003
00:51:47,519 --> 00:51:51,000
and he reaches out. I saw an interview with Chris

1004
00:51:51,079 --> 00:51:54,360
saran and talking about the finger extensions right, and they

1005
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:56,920
are super effective. They look really cool. We can talk

1006
00:51:56,960 --> 00:51:59,679
about some of the vampire lore that we see throughout

1007
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:03,039
these movies, but he talked about how the fingers tensions.

1008
00:52:03,079 --> 00:52:05,440
Although they looked cool, it did make it difficult for

1009
00:52:05,519 --> 00:52:12,920
him to go to the bathroom.

1010
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:17,559
Speaker 1: Okay, that will do it for this episode. Please come

1011
00:52:17,599 --> 00:52:21,119
back for our next episode where we will continue the conversation.

1012
00:52:21,519 --> 00:52:24,880
We're going to talk more about the composers and the

1013
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:29,679
awesome soundtracks involved here, some of the special stories involved.

1014
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:33,079
You you can't miss it. Come back for the second

1015
00:52:33,119 --> 00:52:36,920
episode of Fright Night versus The Lost Boys next week.

1016
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:37,320
Speaker 2: Awesome.

1017
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:39,800
Speaker 1: D it's been fun man. Yeah, see you guys next week.

1018
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:50,639
Oh you're so cool, Broster, I can stand it.

