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Speaker 1: The paranormal, zifos, monsters, mysteries. As you're listening to Talking

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Weird and Know from a Kevin deep in the northwards,

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your host, Doctor Dean Bertram.

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Speaker 2: Greetings, are my fellow weirdos and weird ads. Welcome to

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Talking Weird on the Untold Radio Network. I'm your host,

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Dean Bertram, And wherever you are on this weird planet,

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whatever time zone, whether you're watching live or watching one

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of the the archive shows after the fact, I'm grateful

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to have you here for the next hour or so

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of your life. Thank you for joining me tonight. It's

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going to be a great show. I just literally got

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home a couple hours ago from seeing the new Spielberg

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movie Disclosure Day, which has obviously been talked about and

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anticipated highly in the UFO community since it was announced,

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particularly given those ongoing I suppose trends within you know,

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the media cycle and US government hearings and releases by

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the Trump administration of old UFO documents. It seems to

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be a very timely movie and I'll be getting into

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it some length with my guest tonight. There might be spoilers.

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As a warning, I know my guest doesn't want to

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do spoilers. I'm not going to make him, but I

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probably won't be able to help myself. So if you

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want to come back and watch this after you've seen

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the movie, feel free, or maybe you'll listen to this

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and we'll make you want to see the movie less

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or maybe more. So, maybe it's worth listening to some

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of what we have to say before you go into

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the cinema to see Disclosure. Dave, you're planning to anyway.

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Tonight's guest is a renowned jazz musician and paranormal investigator,

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and for over thirty years he has led the acclaimed

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Eric Mintel Quartet, performing at prestigious venues like the White

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House and the Kennedy Center and captivating audiences with his

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innovative jazz compositions. Beyond music, he's made a name for

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himself in the world of the paranormal with his hit

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TV series, Eric Mintel investigates exploring phenomenon from ghosts and

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UFOs to bigfoot and dog man sidings. His dual careers

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highlight his diverse talents and insatiable curiosity. So I'm delighted

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to welcome back to talking with my very good friend

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and the incredibly talented human being that is the one,

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the only Eric Mintel like go Et and Et. It's

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perfect tonight. Their background. By the way, your sidekick.

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Speaker 3: How you doing, man, it's so good to see you

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in a minute.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been too long. I mean to be honest,

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it's probably only been six months, but that's still way

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too long, way too long, way too long.

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 3: Always it's always a pleasure to talk with you. I

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always love what you're doing. You've always got something going on,

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and I just love being surrounded by like minded people.

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And oh yeah, we're gonna have a good time tonight

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because there was a lot to talk about.

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Speaker 2: There really is. And I watched some of your more

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recent Eric mi Intel investigates the videos the other day

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with my daughter. She loved them as well, because she's

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in the weird. We'll get to some of that later.

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We'll talk about some of the things that you've been

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up to, because some of them involve fascinating UFO investigations,

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which is as timely as the Spielberg movie is. I

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just saw Disclosure Day with my daughter this afternoon. I

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literally have only been home a couple of hours.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, what you saw?

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Speaker 2: A couple of days ago.

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Speaker 3: I saw a couple of days ago. What are your thoughts?

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What are some of your thoughts right after that, you

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know what, fresh right out of the theater.

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Speaker 2: I know you're gonna have I think, because you're a

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much more positive human being than I am. I think

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you're gonna have a more positive intern pretation of the movie.

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Speaker 3: Dean. I'll tell you, I don't know. I think you

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and I might be on the same page.

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Speaker 2: Here, Okay, before we get into the meat of the sandwich,

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which is the disclosure and is it a sy of

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and is it releasing everything? And these are the kind

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of things that the UFO community talk about. I was underwhelmed,

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to be honest, I'm a big Spielberg fan. I'm a

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kid of the seventies and eighties. I grew up on

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films like Jaws and Raiders of the Lost Ark, and

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and Close Encounters are the third kind. I think remains

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arguably the greatest UFO movie ever made. It's an incredible film,

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yep as is et They certainly, particularly Close Encounters, it

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almost seemed like you were seeing something which was I

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don't know, revolutionary and there was revelation in there, and

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there was something just incredibly magical about it. Even though

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thought Spielberg went for the easy out and the final

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act making it so literal, which is something I know

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that along with his friend Jayleen Heidek. But this movie,

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to me, to be honest, it felt old and tired.

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happier ending and without you know, as clever minutia dealings

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with how the conspiracy operates. It just it just seemed

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a disnified version of The X Files that might have

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felt fresh in the mid nineties and now just felt

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like tired. Now. Obviously it had the whole disclosure thing

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attached to it, But if it didn't have that term

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and that it could have been a film that was

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made in nineteen ninety six, to be honest, and it

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of it were you know, it's Spielberg, of course, you know,

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it's like it's definitely a Spielberg movie. Some parts of

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it were incredible. Other parts just left your flat and

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out really wasn't anything new in there. I mean, it's

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really kind of like regurgitated stuff that we've already seen.

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the whole movie the same way he dropped the ball

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of the ending of Close Encounters having to literalize it

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so much. One of the things that has excited me

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about disclosure, and much of the disclosure conversation doesn't excite me,

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is that multiple people who have been front and center

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in the disclosure movement, I don't agree with all of them.

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but a constant theme which the media hasn't really picked

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of to the Stars Academy and you know, the head

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the New York Times article in twenty seventeen, which kind

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of blew this all open to other media commentators like

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simple as you know, little green or gray men in

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the tried and true narrative of you know, and this

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where it all goes back to the forty seven or

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kind of organization took off more from them. But whatever then,

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military industrial you know, private contractor type people. All these

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big corporations. If there is a villain, they could very

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lot of a lot of plot holes

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this Close Encounters. Phenomenal movie. I mean, just really incredible,

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stuff that we've already seen in the news, and uh,

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and just some of the stuff that they didn't you know,

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underwater stuff that's been going the and just the two

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people that were abducted. There's been hundreds and I mean

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Betty and Barney Hill, Travis Walton, all these stories. Nothing

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love it, some people are gonna be like, you know,

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they're gonna be disappointed. But here's the thing too, I

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think we're looking at it and trying to get some

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answers and thinking that Spielberg has the answer. He doesn't

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never had a sighting, so you know, I mean, and

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he wants to. But the one thing with Spielberg and

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that that I love and that's awesome, is he got

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we're talking about it right now here we are, we're

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talking about it, We're talking about what it could mean,

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what was this about. So at least he's got people talking.

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the UFOs you're seeing are real, we just don't know

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what they are. At least it's a conversation that got started,

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you know. And I got to tell you, Dean, a

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lot of the stuff that they have been releasing though,

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you know. I mean it's like and then some of

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the stuff is misinterpreted, like there was an eight point

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star that was going around saying that, oh, this is

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the next biblical thing, like this is what Ezekiel saw,

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but what they didn't realize it was actually a military

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flare on a parachute. And it's so you've got to

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that mindset of like, look, what is really going on here,

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definitive proof, you know. So I think that that's the

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is talking about it. So that's a good thing. At

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least people are looking and they're they're going from looking

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they're talking about these plasmoid life forms, right so, and

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the orbs that people are seeing, and I've had my

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own encounter with those things, and so I think that's

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something that we need to look at a little bit

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more and look into a little bit more because I've

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gotten a lot of reports from people and you've seen

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a lot of those orbs and videos that are they're

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being seen and then they're disappearing. What is that? Is

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it an inter dimensional thing? You know that now they're

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saying that these things have wings, and so it's just

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that part of it's all very fascinating to me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting you brought up the plasm there was

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in the recent press conference at the Capitol steps or

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wherever the devil they were, and Grush comes out again.

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center since the interviews News Nation did and the actual

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the congressional hearings a year or so ago. But some

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of the claims just seemed like literally out of bad

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UFO literature of the nineteen nineties, Like the US government

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are aware of several different species interacting with us, from

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what was it bipedal corporeal beings to plasmoidal entities. Now

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that's a big nutty claim to make unless you're going

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to be because it literally sounds like some of the

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bad sci fi euphology of the nineties where people were saying, well,

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there's then audics and the insectoids and this and then that,

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and it just seems so overinflated for startus, how do

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you know any of this? So I often can't help

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but wonder if the people in positions of power, or

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the people in these positions it might even be as

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dreadful a conspiracy as everybody thinks. It might be a

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conspiracy of belief, because people in government aren't aren't immune

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from having a belief system. And if you're somebody who's

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in government and read all the UFO literature, then you

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yourself become certain if you're reading that stuff. Oh, there,

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there are lots of these different beings, but I find

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it difficult to believe the US government has in some

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you know, I don't know, underground based somewhere several different

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dead alien beings that they're all studying, and that's something disclosure.

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They did it too, just quickly and then I'll throw

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it back to you, which was super kind of irritating.

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They vaguely start to talk about. One of the female

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characters is worried that this is going to destroy people's faith,

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and all she's seen is videos from her boyfriend who's

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stolen all of this. And this is spoilersus to people.

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stolen all of these videos. And essentially this is the

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whole plot of the movie, Like they're trying to, you know,

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initiate disclosure, and he has videos he shows of Essentially

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we see more of it later. In fact, it's my

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favorite part of the movie where Nixon takes Jackie Gleeson

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in to see the dead alien bodies, which has been

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a europhological myth since the seventies. But he shows her this,

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so they've got the dead alien bodies. Nixon sees them,

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and then there's footage of an alien being kind of

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autopsied but it's still alive or medically procedure, and it's screaming.

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they see this? They'll think of these as divine beings.

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And I'm thinking what I just saw would make me

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think they were incapable beings because they're crashing sauces all

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over the place. We've got all these dead bodies, we're

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torturing in the laboratories. It's not like that she was

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seeing videos of oh, these aliens coming down and exerting

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all this power. So it was just so it was

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so ludicrous that part of the film, and the other

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ludicrous the whole, the whole idea, and it's an insult

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to abduct these Not that I believe the traditional abduction

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narrative either, but I have to come back to it

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because you brought it up. Is that the story is

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essentially there's just two alien abductees, and these people have

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been programmed by the ETS big spoiler to essentially initiate disclosure.

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And the ETS are good. Now, if you read any

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amount of alien abduction literature, and again I have taken

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all with a grain of salt, the idea of these aliens,

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like tell me to an abductee who thinks they were

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probed when they were child, and you know what I mean,

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just present the aliens as the good guys that were

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here to So it's one little narrow corner of eufology,

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you know, turned into this like this is there's only

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two abductees and they've been programmed to save us. It's anyway,

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my head was exploding a few times during the movie,

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as you can probably tell.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I bet, yeah, it was. There were a lot

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of moments it was you know, it was like essentially

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like a chase movie, you know, being chased. And then

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I found it like so crazy that here these these

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guys are chasing them and they're they're so inept that

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they don't see this guy like five feet away from them,

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and it's like, oh man, that was bad crunching crunching

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branches and they don't hear that. So I mean, that's

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again it's a movie like we understand that, but no,

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but I did. I actually kind of liked the fact

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that they did the Jackie plice and at least they

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had that because that was in that in that you

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the lore of that. I also like the fact that

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they actually mentioned a little bit of Kexsburg in there too. Yeah,

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whereas Kexsburg, I don't realize that they didn't have. I

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mean from all the literature that in the in the stories,

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there was never anything as far as like an alien

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recovered from there. It was maybe alluded to they took

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the craft and the object out of there, but they

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made it like there there was an actual alien still

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alive there, you know. And and again they didn't go

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back as far as they showed a little bit of Roswell.

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But look, you know, we're in a generation now that

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these are young people that are going to come to

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see this, and yeah, they're gonna probably they're going to

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talk about Roswell and hopefully they'll do some research. People

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seeing this will do some research and go back to

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some of these stories that have been around for ages,

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you know, eighty years and more and and and do

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the research themselves and know that look, some of the stuff, yeah,

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this this could have happened, This other stuff could have happened,

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and then this other stuff is complete rubbish like you

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just said. So you know, but yeah, it was. I

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don't know, man, it was. It was. It's tough because

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I love Steven Spielbert, but man, it's like you wanted

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something a little bit more.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was weird on how many levels. I was disappointed.

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I took my daughter. She actually enjoyed it because I

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guess it's a relatively fast moving movie and there's little animals. Again,

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this literalization of the shield memory that abductees talk about,

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or the screen memory I saw an owl or I

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saw a fox, or I saw a deer. It was

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really discovered. You know, anybody who's read a David Jacob's book,

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or you know a Bud Hopkins book or you know

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whatever aware of this story. So that was kind of cool,

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if an over literalization of things, I think. But I

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can't see this film being a classic the way we

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look back at it as et and close encounters in

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the years to come. And one of the reasons is

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the two lead characters, not that Emily Blunt or the

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other guy who plays the male leader, you know, bad

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actors or anything. But it is no everyman element of it.

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There's no like, there's no neary element of it, or

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the who loses her child to the abduct to the

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abduction in Close Encounters. I don't think you can, really,

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I don't think you can travel with these characters. Your

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average person can't travel with these characters the way they

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could travel with the Late, the male and female late

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in the original Close Encounters.

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Speaker 3: No, no, I totally agree. And that was the thing too.

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You know, there was that one moment in there where

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the cardinal comes in and all of a sudden, she's

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just she has a memory, and she goes back and

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then suddenly can speak all these you know, different languages

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and stuff. Another spoiler, sorry, guys. So you know, so

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that's one part of it. And then this other guy,

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you know that he can understand what she's saying because

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she's talking in math, you know, And so I get that,

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and those are cool elements. But let's not forget this movie. Also,

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it was rewritten forty two times, you know, so it

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was written then rewritten, so you know, but I do look,

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at the end of the day, at least he's getting

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people to talk about it, you know, and maybe not

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good about it, but at least we're talking about it

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and what could be. And then you've got other researchers

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like us, and that we're doing our own research. We're

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talking to witnesses. I mean, I'm getting people, like I said,

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I'm getting people that are seeing these things and experiencing

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all of this stuff. And I truly believe that there

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are certain a lot of people are connected to this

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paranormal energy and the spirit world. Whether it's ghosts, UFO's

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bigfoot dog man, whatever, people are connected in some way

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like a big spider web, They're all connected to this.

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Speaker 2: I think that's where Spielberg dropped the ball here. I

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think we're at a stage now and understanding this a

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little bit better as a community, or at least as

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some of the members of the community. Where have you

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dealt well instead of dealing with the religious issues so

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dismissively having that more than just well, people's faith will

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be broken if they know there's aliens, which is such

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a tried idea now to actually have looked at perhaps

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some of the spiritual and some of the paranormal aspects

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of the phenomena. Now that makes it a hardest story

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to tell, and it isn't easily wrapped up in you know,

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three acts and just a stamp on the end. Of it.

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But I think it would have been much more powerful

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that it hadn't been so literalized again the same way

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he did at the end of Closing Counters. What was

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still in you and Fresh though you could super literalize it. Yeah,

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I mean, now it's not you and Fresh anymore.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you had at the end of Close Encounters, you

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had this this contact between this race and you had

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this like and this was you know, it was all

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coming to that, to that aspect in this you didn't

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know where it was going, like where are we going?

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Here is it? Are they gonna? Are they gonna get

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chased again? Out of here? She's ready, you know, she's

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ready to disclose all this stuff. And those guys just

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walk out of the room. I mean, if that was

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real life, she'd be she'd be tackled. You know, It's

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just like it was like really, But I did like

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the fact that there was no killing in this, you know,

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which was nice too, because there was you know, not

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of humans, that is right, but you know, but it

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was nice to see that because movies nowadays, man, it's

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just gratuitous violence in this it's crazy. But this at

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least brought back a little bit of you know, wholesomeness

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and that kind of thing, you know, not having that

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and you don't need that in this particular story. I

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don't think you needed that.

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Speaker 2: It was a very I think it's a fairly family

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friendly film. Yeah, when my daughter was I was actually

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in two minds about taking it because I'd seen there

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was some abduction imagery in the trailer, the most recent trailer,

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and I thought, I don't know that some of that

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imagery can be really strong, But it was actually so

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mild in this movie. And it wasn't like it wasn't

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like you know we've seen in Communion, or we've seen

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in you know, the Travis Walton, you know, Fire in

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the Sky movie, or so many movies with abduction imagery

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are just like literally would haunt you if you were

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a child.

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Speaker 3: Just have that. I would suggest if anyone wants to

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really get a really people want to be haunted, go

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and listen to the Barney Hill and Betty Hill hypnosis transcriptions.

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Right the audio recordings of these guys that were under hypnosis.

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You will it'll bring tears to your eyes. It brought

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tears to my eyes. I was hit with such just

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for what these two people went through and and this

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doctor was not coercing them into into this. This is

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something that happened. And I mean the way Barney is

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describing these things, man, I mean he is absolutely terrified.

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So I and that's available on YouTube. People can go

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check it out. But it's amazing, So, you know, stuff

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like that. And then Travis Walton, you know, all these guys,

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there's maybe a handful of those abduction cases, Whitley Strieber,

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all these guys that I think are really you know,

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it's stuff happened to them, you know, But but none

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of that was addressed. You know, none of that was

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even talked about. And it's a global it's a global thing.

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And just to have two people no more, it's bigger

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than that.

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Speaker 2: You know. It's interesting. I wonder to see, I'm somebody

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who's not a real nuts and bolts you know, you

471
00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:50,279
follows I drift into the Kilian valet In type interpretations

472
00:23:50,319 --> 00:23:54,160
in the more and also more social psychological type interpretations. Well,

473
00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:59,000
but I wonder how your more traditional extraterrestrial hypothesis believe

474
00:23:59,079 --> 00:24:01,559
who's well read in literature at least, how are they

475
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:03,480
going to take this movie? Like, are they going to

476
00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:06,000
be insulted by the way alien abduction is dealt with.

477
00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:08,359
Are they going to just I don't know, because I'm

478
00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:10,839
not that person anymore. You know, there was a period

479
00:24:10,839 --> 00:24:12,880
of my life many years ago where I was more

480
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:15,160
of that person. But I mean, I'm looking at it

481
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:17,880
for more of a you know, a critical position as

482
00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:20,480
somebody who's interested in film as well as somebody who

483
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:24,200
is very suspicious of any disclosure narrative anyway, But i'd

484
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:27,599
be I'm really I'm curious to see how this blows

485
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:30,279
out in the UFO community, people going this is amazing,

486
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:32,279
or people going no, this is wrong here and here

487
00:24:32,319 --> 00:24:32,640
and here.

488
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:34,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think I think you're going to get

489
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:38,440
a lot more of the latter, you know. And yeah,

490
00:24:38,519 --> 00:24:40,519
already some of the reviews coming out, you know. And

491
00:24:40,559 --> 00:24:42,119
I mean some of the reviews are great, you know.

492
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:43,359
And that's and that's fine.

493
00:24:43,519 --> 00:24:45,599
Speaker 2: I purpose we didn't read any before we talk Like

494
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:47,559
I saw them dropping, I thought, no, I'm not because

495
00:24:47,559 --> 00:24:50,039
I don't want to take my interpretation same thing.

496
00:24:50,079 --> 00:24:51,960
Speaker 3: I didn't want to see anything before I went to

497
00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:54,079
see it. As a matter of fact, I got an

498
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:57,079
email and I posted on Facebook that I get an

499
00:24:57,079 --> 00:25:01,480
email from a representative from US Universal inviting us to

500
00:25:01,519 --> 00:25:04,079
go see a pre screen, which was really wild. Yeah,

501
00:25:05,039 --> 00:25:07,960
we're influencers. My god, this is amazing, so you know,

502
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:10,759
and that was cool. And then we had a film

503
00:25:10,799 --> 00:25:14,119
critic sitting behind us in Philadelphia by the name of

504
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:17,559
Patrick Stoner who was actually going to talk to Bielberg

505
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:21,240
the next day. So I don't know if that review

506
00:25:21,319 --> 00:25:23,480
came out yet, but I'm sure. I'm sure it has

507
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:26,799
confessional spin it but it was pretty cool. But yeah, no,

508
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:28,839
I think you're you're going to have both sides are

509
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:30,519
going to be you know, kind of like what is

510
00:25:30,559 --> 00:25:33,279
going on or saying, well, you know it's here, this

511
00:25:33,319 --> 00:25:35,960
is what we've been talking about for eighty years, you know.

512
00:25:37,759 --> 00:25:39,440
Speaker 2: And I also, you know what, this is me just

513
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:41,680
being filming now. Then we'll get to some really UFO cases,

514
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:43,440
because I'm sure much of our audience would love to

515
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:46,400
hear that too. The movie was a very cold movie

516
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:49,839
as well, in production design and just generally, and now

517
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:54,960
maybe that was intentional, but it didn't feel like it was.

518
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:58,440
It felt almost two, I don't know, clean the space,

519
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:00,480
even when they were in dirty scenes like that, you know,

520
00:26:00,519 --> 00:26:02,799
the farmhouse that they escaped to for a while, it

521
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:05,400
never felt like this lived in environment the way Close

522
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:07,680
Encounters and ET did like. It never felt like, oh,

523
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:09,400
that's what my living room would look like, you know

524
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:11,319
what I mean, Or that's what my apartment would look like,

525
00:26:11,519 --> 00:26:15,480
or it just felt it just even the government scenes

526
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:18,039
in Close Encounters were kind of denky and ganky and

527
00:26:18,079 --> 00:26:20,920
they felt real. This just felt so I don't know,

528
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:25,519
just so perfectly overproduced production. Just that also made me

529
00:26:25,559 --> 00:26:28,200
think this I can tell by certain shots, like you know,

530
00:26:28,279 --> 00:26:31,519
the fruit loops falling in front of the hail scene.

531
00:26:31,519 --> 00:26:33,920
There's things which is very spilberging and in there the

532
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,119
bright back light at the end where the you know,

533
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:39,200
the supervisors with the two main leads and you know,

534
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:41,279
it's all blown out light in the back. There are

535
00:26:41,319 --> 00:26:43,680
things that look like Spilberg. But there's also a lot

536
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:45,160
of it that doesn't. There's a lot of it that

537
00:26:45,279 --> 00:26:49,119
just looks like modern paint by numbers production design and lighting.

538
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:51,000
And that also disappointed me, to be.

539
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:53,720
Speaker 3: Yes, the only thing I did like. I did like

540
00:26:53,839 --> 00:26:57,359
about one thing about it was the psychic connection to

541
00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:59,960
these things, and that was kind of neat with that

542
00:27:00,079 --> 00:27:02,759
device that they were holding, and that was kind of

543
00:27:02,799 --> 00:27:05,759
cool where you could almost say it was very remote viewing,

544
00:27:06,519 --> 00:27:09,440
you know, similar situation to that that was cool, yeah,

545
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:14,559
which was cool. And the teleportation aspects of this thing,

546
00:27:15,039 --> 00:27:17,680
you know, which is really cool. So those are the

547
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:21,039
things that I think were interesting that way, But as

548
00:27:21,039 --> 00:27:25,680
far as like the overall uphology, myth kind of fell flat.

549
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,839
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, well, I mean, and what would you if

550
00:27:28,839 --> 00:27:31,079
you go maybe and then we'll move on. If you

551
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:32,880
if we were going to do a standard Cisco and

552
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:35,400
Abot type, you know, writing out of five stars or

553
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:37,240
you know, thumbs up or thumbs down or whatever we

554
00:27:37,279 --> 00:27:38,920
want to do, what would you what would you give

555
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:39,400
this movie?

556
00:27:39,519 --> 00:27:41,559
Speaker 3: I would say, like somebody asked me that today, what

557
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:45,119
out of ten you know, ten tenco? Then I would

558
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:45,880
say it's a seven.

559
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would maybe give it five maybe, Like I

560
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:54,119
just you know, it was In fact, I think it's

561
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:57,759
probably I'm trying to think if I've seen a Spielberg

562
00:27:57,799 --> 00:27:59,680
movie which is as poor as this, I don't think

563
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:03,359
I have. I think it's Spielberg hitting its lowest batting average.

564
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:04,839
I just don't think it's a good I just don't,

565
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:06,599
you know, I don't think it's a great movie anyway,

566
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:09,920
but and uphologically, I think it's even worse, which a three.

567
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:13,119
Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean, like I said, you're gonna get

568
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:15,319
both sides back and forth on this. I think it's

569
00:28:15,319 --> 00:28:17,440
going to be the next the next few months on

570
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:19,319
this is going to be it's gonna be crazy, you know,

571
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,160
for the UFO world. But uh, but at least we're

572
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,599
at least one thing is we're talking about it, you know,

573
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,640
and there but beyond all this, there is stuff going on.

574
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:31,920
I mean, there's there's people that are having encounters, which

575
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,559
is which is an incredible thing. So that's what are

576
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:36,559
That's what we're on the pulse of right now.

577
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 2: Tell us a little bit about the Turkey heel case

578
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:42,319
I watched recently. Oh my god, it's a fascinating story, man,

579
00:28:42,359 --> 00:28:44,000
that's more fascinating than this film was.

580
00:28:44,279 --> 00:28:47,079
Speaker 3: Oh my god, thank you. That gets a ten.

581
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 2: At least gets a gnaw And it's a fascinating story.

582
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:51,839
Speaker 3: Man.

583
00:28:51,839 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 2: It's great from you.

584
00:28:52,759 --> 00:28:55,559
Speaker 3: I appreciate that. Oh my god. Now you know, it

585
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,680
was crazy because we did this video uh UFOs over

586
00:28:58,759 --> 00:29:03,519
Jim Thorpe, Pennsylvania, and it was incredible because people, you know,

587
00:29:03,599 --> 00:29:06,799
here's the thing we're talking about. All this UFO disclosure

588
00:29:06,839 --> 00:29:09,319
and people are coming out of the woodwork talking about

589
00:29:09,319 --> 00:29:12,720
their encounters, you know, and that stigmatic kind of idea

590
00:29:12,759 --> 00:29:15,920
has gone away now because hey, you know, these are

591
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:20,640
people are having these experiences. So that jim Thorpe was incredible.

592
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:24,079
A guy who's also a comedian, his name is Russell Austen,

593
00:29:24,839 --> 00:29:26,839
wanted to tell the story and he said he and

594
00:29:26,839 --> 00:29:29,880
a buddy were driving in jim Thorpe heading out of town,

595
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:32,400
and traffic was really going slow. They're trying to figure

596
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:34,400
out what's going on, and they look up and hear

597
00:29:34,759 --> 00:29:38,200
they see just above the building, not even you know,

598
00:29:38,319 --> 00:29:42,279
high up, just about building top was this, Like he said,

599
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:44,119
he thought it was a blimp, but it was a

600
00:29:44,279 --> 00:29:49,480
round blue sphere and just basically hovering over the town

601
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,240
and they couldn't believe it. He was trying to take

602
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:55,079
his phone, trying to take a picture of his phone,

603
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,160
and his phone wasn't working. It was not able to

604
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:01,559
do it. It was just completely like combobulated, So that

605
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:05,240
was interesting. He was having like electronic disturbances and all

606
00:30:05,279 --> 00:30:07,759
the traffic people were looking up at this thing, and

607
00:30:07,799 --> 00:30:10,839
he said, suddenly a door, he looked like a door

608
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:14,079
opened up underneath this thing and it went into something

609
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:18,319
and disappeared, which is like I'm saying to myself, is

610
00:30:18,359 --> 00:30:22,359
this interdimensional? What is going on here? But he swears

611
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:24,920
by this stuff, and look, I said this to you before.

612
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:28,359
I'm good at discerning the truth from the bs from people,

613
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:31,480
you know, and when this guy you could tell was

614
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,759
the real deal telling because he was still perplexed by

615
00:30:34,799 --> 00:30:38,880
it and wasn't able to get any pictures. But again,

616
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:41,839
he's a guy that I think is connected because he's

617
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:46,319
had other experiences and seeing these orbs and the orange

618
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:49,680
orbs and stuff, so he may be a connector to

619
00:30:49,799 --> 00:30:50,319
these things.

620
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 2: That's swimming story too, because he's one of the key

621
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:55,680
witnesses in that story. That's the craziest one of the

622
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:57,559
banshe I think of, which was crazy.

623
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:01,559
Speaker 3: Him and Michelle Gallagher, who was she they're both friends

624
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:05,640
and they shared this this weird UFO en counter. They

625
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:09,039
were swimming in the lake they saw this orange sphere

626
00:31:09,039 --> 00:31:12,480
coming toward them. Russell said he went under the water,

627
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:16,720
which felt like only like thirty like thirty seconds if that,

628
00:31:17,599 --> 00:31:21,000
and when he popped up, everybody was gone. And but

629
00:31:21,119 --> 00:31:23,400
he's like it was like an hour. I'm like an

630
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:25,920
hour you're under the wall. How do you get how

631
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:28,000
do you go underwater for an hour? But he thinks

632
00:31:28,759 --> 00:31:33,000
the missing time was some kind of an aduction experience there. So,

633
00:31:33,759 --> 00:31:36,319
and here's the thing I joked with Michelle, I'm like, man,

634
00:31:36,359 --> 00:31:38,440
I don't want to be in your friend group if

635
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:40,839
you didn't realize he was not missing because there was

636
00:31:40,839 --> 00:31:43,640
not a lot of people with you guys, So there

637
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:45,599
was like four or five people and he's not there.

638
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,240
So but no, it was. It was amazing. And then

639
00:31:49,279 --> 00:31:51,599
he popped up and said everybody was gone. Yeah, I

640
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,039
didn't know where he went, and he still doesn't know

641
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,960
to this day where that hour and a half went.

642
00:31:57,680 --> 00:31:59,559
Speaker 2: The weirdest thing is I mean, that's sweet, but the

643
00:31:59,599 --> 00:32:02,319
fact that the friends kind of just you know, dismissed

644
00:32:02,319 --> 00:32:04,599
it as well, it reminded me vague and it's nowhere

645
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:07,359
nearest dramatic, but it reminded me vaguely of an experience

646
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:11,279
I had back in Sydney when I was doing still

647
00:32:11,359 --> 00:32:15,799
my postgraduate work and UFO stuff.

648
00:32:15,799 --> 00:32:16,119
Speaker 3: I went.

649
00:32:16,519 --> 00:32:19,279
Speaker 2: I invited some friends to go on like a UFO

650
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,359
spotting kind of you know, evening with me to an

651
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,920
area in western Sydney where the Blue Mountains are, it's

652
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,480
called the Blue Mountains outside the kind of Penrith area,

653
00:32:29,559 --> 00:32:32,920
And so we were up there all night, you know,

654
00:32:33,079 --> 00:32:34,799
looking in the sky to see if we could see

655
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,240
UFOs because there were all these rumors about a UFO

656
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,079
base buried, you know, down in the valley and UFO

657
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:42,200
scene all the time. And we didn't see any UFOs.

658
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,720
But just as we were getting to leave, weirdest thing

659
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:49,039
there was all this very strange blue lightning type flashes

660
00:32:49,039 --> 00:32:51,640
not lightning though, like just weird blue flashes in the

661
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:53,960
valley we were looking at and in the sky, and

662
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,680
you would think if people were out there looking for

663
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:58,680
the anomalous, they would have been like, what the earth,

664
00:32:58,839 --> 00:33:02,400
what's this? And been and we're just like okay, let's go. Yeah,

665
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:04,880
And you hear stories at times sometimes people have these

666
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:09,200
experiences and something almost shuts off there the curiosity. Gland,

667
00:33:09,279 --> 00:33:12,680
I don't know. And when I was watching your video,

668
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,160
which was a far more extreme case, you know, a

669
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:16,920
friend goes underwater and he's like, well he's gone, I

670
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:18,839
don't know, we're going home and he's like, what happened?

671
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:22,920
I don't know? Just to normalize something so strange. Is

672
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,640
that something you come across, because I know you're investigating

673
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,440
all the time. Is that something you you come across

674
00:33:28,759 --> 00:33:31,960
occasionally or frequently people who just have a very strange

675
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,119
experience and just tend to normalize it or.

676
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:37,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, that's that's a good question. Well, this was

677
00:33:37,599 --> 00:33:39,519
one of the first ones that we did where there

678
00:33:39,559 --> 00:33:41,960
was a case of missing time here. So this was

679
00:33:42,039 --> 00:33:44,519
kind of new to me. And so you have to

680
00:33:44,559 --> 00:33:48,119
treat these things like, well, look like a detective, would

681
00:33:48,119 --> 00:33:50,160
you know, You've got to look around and say, well,

682
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:52,319
what was going on at the time, right, what was

683
00:33:52,359 --> 00:33:55,640
going on, who were you with, what were you doing

684
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,279
at that time? Do you remember what time of day

685
00:33:58,319 --> 00:34:02,559
it was, and just the general feelings that they had

686
00:34:02,559 --> 00:34:06,200
at the time when they saw this thing. So, but

687
00:34:06,279 --> 00:34:10,039
this was this was new and the next and now

688
00:34:10,159 --> 00:34:13,320
the next UFO video that we're doing actually is UH.

689
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:15,719
We started shooting it today. I wanted to show you

690
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:19,480
this because today we shot with UH with a guy

691
00:34:19,519 --> 00:34:23,599
who had an experience with UH with a UFO encounter

692
00:34:24,039 --> 00:34:31,920
and it was none other than the King Elvis right there.

693
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:39,199
He's an Elvis impersonator, but he does you know, does shows.

694
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:42,119
But he was telling us about this incredible ufone character

695
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:45,320
he had over in our area. And now we're talking

696
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:50,840
to another guy who's a hypnotist in Doylestown, which is

697
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:54,679
an area town right down the street here, and he's

698
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:56,559
talking of we're going to talk with him about an

699
00:34:56,559 --> 00:34:59,679
alien abduction case that he had with a woman and

700
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:01,320
we he might be able to talk with her too

701
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:04,719
and get her take on what happened. And also then

702
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,559
we're going to also talk to Bill Burns from UFO Hunters.

703
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:11,480
Talk to Bill and because Bill has got another case

704
00:35:11,519 --> 00:35:14,719
of missing time that happened here in Bucks County. But

705
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:16,800
you know, and people for your listeners, I'm sure they

706
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:19,800
know who Bill Burns is. The man is amazing. Every

707
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:21,800
time I get together with Bill, and I'm so lucky

708
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:24,760
he's like our next door neighbor. Practically I get a

709
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,920
chance to talk with him, I learned something new all

710
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:31,880
the time, amazing stuff. So that's coming up in our

711
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,480
next video. We're going to be shooting that next week

712
00:35:34,559 --> 00:35:35,960
and we'll probably have that out by the end of

713
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:39,519
the month, and that's going to be really cool. But yeah,

714
00:35:39,559 --> 00:35:42,480
to your point, you know, when you look at these things,

715
00:35:42,519 --> 00:35:45,880
you've got to really I don't know. For me, it's

716
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:48,480
something new. So I've got to look at this and say, Wow,

717
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:52,199
are these people really telling the truth here? What did

718
00:35:52,199 --> 00:35:54,079
they really experience? Because I don't want to ever be

719
00:35:54,159 --> 00:35:56,360
hurtful with anybody, you know, I don't want to ever

720
00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:00,320
discount what they're they're feeling, because if they're having these

721
00:36:00,599 --> 00:36:03,559
experiences and there, it's as real to them as you

722
00:36:03,599 --> 00:36:06,599
and I are talking. Uh, you know that there's something

723
00:36:06,639 --> 00:36:10,800
going on. You know, there's a there's a there's a

724
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:14,239
group in I think it's up in Massachusetts. Uh, and

725
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:17,960
it's on Facebook. It's called the Red Grid Group. There's

726
00:36:18,079 --> 00:36:20,920
people that are waking up in the next the next morning,

727
00:36:21,159 --> 00:36:23,800
going to bed, waking up the next morning and finding

728
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:28,159
these weird series of red dots on their bodies, like

729
00:36:28,199 --> 00:36:32,559
in a grid formation. And and it's odd. I joined

730
00:36:32,559 --> 00:36:35,360
this group because when I was a kid, I had

731
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:39,639
something similar to that on my forearm, which the doctor

732
00:36:39,639 --> 00:36:41,960
thought and it looked like a fish net. It was

733
00:36:42,119 --> 00:36:45,679
They called it fishnet rash, but the doctor thought, you know,

734
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:47,639
and it was similar to what these people have, and

735
00:36:47,679 --> 00:36:50,119
it seriously looked like a fish net that was on

736
00:36:50,199 --> 00:36:52,079
my on my forearm or when I was a kid

737
00:36:52,079 --> 00:36:55,440
when I was younger, so that was something really wild,

738
00:36:55,559 --> 00:36:58,159
and I thought there's something going on there too. I mean,

739
00:36:58,199 --> 00:37:01,960
these people are having these crazy experiences that are tying

740
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:06,400
it in with UFO experiences at the same time. So yeah,

741
00:37:06,519 --> 00:37:08,400
check that if you get a chance. Check that group out.

742
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:09,760
They're up in Massachusetts.

743
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 2: Interesting.

744
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:15,400
Speaker 3: It's really fascinating stuff, and it's all, you know, the

745
00:37:15,519 --> 00:37:18,639
very very truthful kinds of things that are going on

746
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:19,079
up there.

747
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 2: There's a long history of people who have some type

748
00:37:23,519 --> 00:37:26,719
of experience with the other or the anomalousts being left

749
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:29,400
physically marked. And obviously it's a big thing in alien

750
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:33,280
abduction law with scoop marks and implants, but throughout all

751
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:36,039
of history, people who had contact with supposedly the devil

752
00:37:36,199 --> 00:37:39,000
or people who had contact with you know, other entities

753
00:37:39,039 --> 00:37:43,119
are often supposedly left marked, which I do find I

754
00:37:43,159 --> 00:37:45,559
do find fascinating that there might be some you know,

755
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:49,239
physical injury, you know, left over. And there's stories in

756
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:52,519
the UFO field about people being literally injured by.

757
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 3: And literally dropped like Travis Walton dropped right from the

758
00:37:55,800 --> 00:38:02,719
UFO onto the ground. Coral lignin in y dropped. So yeah,

759
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:04,920
all those guys, I mean all of these stories that

760
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:07,760
we've we've grown up with, you know, our generation, right,

761
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,280
it was in search of unsolved.

762
00:38:10,559 --> 00:38:12,199
Speaker 2: In search of is still the greatest parent?

763
00:38:13,119 --> 00:38:15,599
Speaker 3: The theme song alone man, you know.

764
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 2: And I tell you that the music isn't and the

765
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:21,880
themes amazing, and also the creepy music they have, and

766
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:26,079
also that authoritative voice of Lenin Nimoy who ended up

767
00:38:26,079 --> 00:38:28,119
taking over the show. I think originally they planned to

768
00:38:28,159 --> 00:38:32,119
have they planned to have Who's the Twilight Zone Guy

769
00:38:32,199 --> 00:38:35,960
Rod Serling. Some of the early movie versions have Surling

770
00:38:36,039 --> 00:38:38,599
doing it. But speaking of music, it's a perfect segue,

771
00:38:38,599 --> 00:38:39,960
and then we'll come back to what we're talking about.

772
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:45,400
We had a question from from squatch Mama, who says, okay,

773
00:38:45,519 --> 00:38:49,400
rate the film School score? Didn't John Williams composed it?

774
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:50,880
That has to be epic?

775
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 3: Is that was a ten out of ten for the

776
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:56,599
score because John Williams is my favorite, my favorite composer

777
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,800
bar none. I mean, he's just phenomenal. I mean, god,

778
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:02,559
the I'm still going at ninety four, ninety or ninety

779
00:39:02,559 --> 00:39:05,480
six or whatever he is now. But yeah, no, it

780
00:39:05,519 --> 00:39:08,280
was a great score, and you know you could tell

781
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:11,199
it was every time you hear a Williams score, you

782
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:13,480
know it's John Williams. He's got just got those the

783
00:39:13,599 --> 00:39:17,000
certain strings and the horns and it all ties in together.

784
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,960
But yeah, it was really really great, and so yeah,

785
00:39:20,199 --> 00:39:20,880
very very cool.

786
00:39:21,199 --> 00:39:23,519
Speaker 2: John. John Williams is great and I'm a fan. So

787
00:39:23,559 --> 00:39:28,079
and you're incredibly talented musician yourself, so you're far more

788
00:39:28,119 --> 00:39:32,920
capable of reviewing somebody musically. What I will say, and

789
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:34,639
I think the score was fine, And what I will

790
00:39:34,679 --> 00:39:39,920
say is I'm not left with any any hummable you know,

791
00:39:40,079 --> 00:39:42,239
bars or hummable sequence from it, the way you are

792
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:44,960
with Close Encounters or ET. I don't know if you

793
00:39:45,039 --> 00:39:48,360
can remember, Like right now, I'm thinking, yeah, the score

794
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:50,960
was there, the score was serviceable. I think it was good,

795
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:55,039
but I don't walk away like I don't have any

796
00:39:55,079 --> 00:39:56,280
of those moments in my head.

797
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 3: Now you don't, you don't. And it was that score

798
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:01,239
was pretty much a back ground type thing. They didn't

799
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:04,159
really embellish anything like they did with Close Encounters with

800
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:10,079
Us those five tones where the that's that's what we

801
00:40:10,119 --> 00:40:12,719
grew up with. I mean, that's those five tones, right,

802
00:40:13,119 --> 00:40:15,239
that was the whole thing in the movie. It was

803
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:18,039
they were speaking to us musically, you know, and it

804
00:40:18,079 --> 00:40:21,000
was a beautiful thing. This the score was great, but yeah,

805
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:24,519
you don't have any hummable melodies to it, unfortunately, you know,

806
00:40:24,599 --> 00:40:26,440
but it was it was a good backdrop score.

807
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:30,719
Speaker 2: You No, I think it was perfectly serviceable. And maybe

808
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:33,760
sometimes you need a score that doesn't draw ridiculous attention

809
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:36,800
to itself, and maybe you sometimes need one that you

810
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:40,679
and and in fairness to Close Encounters, those five tones,

811
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:43,000
they're at such a key part of the story. And

812
00:40:43,039 --> 00:40:46,360
I think Spielberg also as much as I'm as Vlay

813
00:40:46,559 --> 00:40:49,719
was disappointed as an adult with the as I mentioned before,

814
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:53,760
with the very literal final you know, sequence of final

815
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:58,239
scenes in Close Encounters. They they had that idea to

816
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:00,599
include the you know, the Disney you know, when you

817
00:41:00,599 --> 00:41:02,920
wish upon a star kind of like it was just

818
00:41:03,039 --> 00:41:06,280
it really was wing in a bottle that score. Obviously,

819
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:10,880
Spielberg was probably still either that or Rights, but certain

820
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:14,559
or Jaws probably made my three favorite Spielberg firs, but

821
00:41:14,639 --> 00:41:18,519
certainly my favorite UFO movie. Right and Williams was just

822
00:41:19,079 --> 00:41:22,239
I mean just obviously he wasn't ninety something then, he

823
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:24,199
was probably like forty something, so he would have been

824
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:26,079
at his creative peak, so he was.

825
00:41:26,119 --> 00:41:28,280
Speaker 3: And he was also a jazz musician too, so he

826
00:41:28,679 --> 00:41:32,199
like you, yeah, years earlier, he was a jazz musician.

827
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:35,280
So and I mean, god, John Williams has been around

828
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:38,400
for a long time and he was so connected with

829
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:40,800
such the people in the industry. But yeah, he was

830
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:43,920
a jazz musician beforehand. And then the thing with John

831
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:46,639
Williams is he could write scores. He was contracted to

832
00:41:46,639 --> 00:41:49,280
write scores for TV shows, so he was, and then

833
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:51,960
Spielberg found him and then thirty I think this was

834
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,599
his thirtieth movie they've done together, you know, over the

835
00:41:54,639 --> 00:41:57,800
course of his career. Yeah, so really cool stuff. But yeah,

836
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:00,760
you're right, there was nothing like that was lightning in

837
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:02,960
a bottle back then. It was just something that was

838
00:42:03,079 --> 00:42:06,159
really like just cutting edge at that particular time, and

839
00:42:06,199 --> 00:42:08,159
they were going with it, you know. And even at

840
00:42:08,199 --> 00:42:10,519
the end with the alien and out close encounters with

841
00:42:10,559 --> 00:42:13,840
the sign language too, which the tones meant the sign

842
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:17,519
language were that kind of like they were speaking in

843
00:42:17,559 --> 00:42:20,519
those tones. So I like that fact of it. But this,

844
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:23,440
you know, you know, we're going back to it again.

845
00:42:23,599 --> 00:42:25,599
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's worth talking about a little more. I

846
00:42:25,639 --> 00:42:28,119
think I actually have those tones in the sign language

847
00:42:28,119 --> 00:42:30,679
on one of my favorite muscletops that I were in

848
00:42:30,679 --> 00:42:33,280
the summer. But while we were with the film, there's

849
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:34,719
something else we didn't talk about, And I think this

850
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:36,519
is worth touching on because you have and the et

851
00:42:36,679 --> 00:42:38,599
statue behind you reminded me of it, which is such

852
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:42,760
iconic creature, as were I think the ets in Close Encounters.

853
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:45,239
I had a flexible doll of that when I was

854
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:48,920
a kid, Like the closing a spooky look. There was

855
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:51,800
something about that, probably because it was a physical effect

856
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,559
that actually, even though they're not scary, creped me the

857
00:42:54,599 --> 00:42:57,039
devil out when I was a child. Right, What did

858
00:42:57,079 --> 00:43:02,519
you think about the way the Aliens were were visually

859
00:43:02,559 --> 00:43:05,159
portrayed in this film?

860
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:09,280
Speaker 3: You know, like everything like everything else, I mean like

861
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:12,360
like they weren't even like like the Grays. I think

862
00:43:12,599 --> 00:43:16,039
there's another movie that I think is like, probably so

863
00:43:16,119 --> 00:43:19,760
much better than this as far as aliens go is.

864
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:22,239
Did you ever see that movie? No One Will Save You.

865
00:43:23,559 --> 00:43:24,519
Have you seen that one yet?

866
00:43:24,639 --> 00:43:26,119
Speaker 2: No, I'm aware of it. But is it good?

867
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:30,119
Speaker 3: Oh, it's really good. It's hardly any dialogue in the film,

868
00:43:30,599 --> 00:43:33,880
but it's an interesting story. But those Grays that are

869
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:38,119
in that movie and the abduction and how they're interacting

870
00:43:38,159 --> 00:43:42,480
with with the human race, Uh, is very very interesting

871
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:45,599
ureat that, But I would definitely put that on your

872
00:43:45,639 --> 00:43:46,119
movie list.

873
00:43:46,199 --> 00:43:46,400
Speaker 1: Man.

874
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:52,920
Speaker 3: It's visually it's incredible too, sound effects wise incredible, it's uh,

875
00:43:53,039 --> 00:43:55,079
it's got a lot of really great moments to it.

876
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:58,119
But yeah, the aliens you'd hear, I felt were like

877
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:03,320
very delicate. They were very like, you know, like the typical.

878
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:08,039
Speaker 2: Gray but origeneric right, Like, there wasn't anything memorable about them.

879
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 3: Not really.

880
00:44:09,519 --> 00:44:12,039
Speaker 2: I could probably go and buy like some plug the

881
00:44:12,199 --> 00:44:15,320
FX plug in for after effects. That would dropping an

882
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:18,599
alien that looked like the aliens, And maybe that's the problem.

883
00:44:18,679 --> 00:44:21,800
Maybe they'd gone to a practical model like they had

884
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:24,119
in etc. And they had in close encounters, there would

885
00:44:24,119 --> 00:44:26,159
have been something special about them. But because they just

886
00:44:26,159 --> 00:44:29,719
looked like another cgi gray alien, you don't walk away

887
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:32,559
going wow, that was an incredible those aliens in that movie.

888
00:44:33,039 --> 00:44:36,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's again that's what left me flat. That was like,

889
00:44:36,679 --> 00:44:39,599
I think that's the probably the most part I was

890
00:44:39,639 --> 00:44:40,719
most disappointed at.

891
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:41,199
Speaker 1: Yeah.

892
00:44:41,679 --> 00:44:44,079
Speaker 2: Remember they had little girls, I think, like little little

893
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:49,320
female actresses, like little kids play the aliens. In most

894
00:44:49,599 --> 00:44:52,320
Close Encounters, and so they're these delicate, funny little things

895
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:55,679
with these ridiculous, you know, kind of spooky outfit on.

896
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:58,679
But they there was something really like, oh my gosh,

897
00:44:58,679 --> 00:45:01,599
they're real alien. He never think, oh, I'm really saying

898
00:45:01,639 --> 00:45:03,199
in aliens like I'm saying some CGI.

899
00:45:03,559 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 3: And I think the other thing too with that, with

900
00:45:05,519 --> 00:45:08,400
Close Encounters too, was like they used a lot of

901
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:11,119
light diffusion, right, so you didn't you didn't really get

902
00:45:11,159 --> 00:45:15,119
the chance to see them now really like up close.

903
00:45:15,519 --> 00:45:17,599
But I think it's just that because it gives you

904
00:45:17,679 --> 00:45:19,960
the illusion of that thing, which was really cool. And

905
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:22,440
then of course let's not forget at the end of

906
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:26,840
that movie that alien was created by Carlo Rambaldi, who

907
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:31,719
also created et you know, and so and that was

908
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:34,079
just and that was all man made. It wasn't even

909
00:45:34,119 --> 00:45:37,719
like a CGI thing exactly. It's actually a man made thing.

910
00:45:38,199 --> 00:45:41,760
So yeah, it just you know, I think with that

911
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:44,320
that movie just was in its you know, in a

912
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:45,800
class all its own.

913
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 2: But yeah, that's one thing one of the things I

914
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:51,360
wish Spielberg would have done it maybe it didn't even

915
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:53,039
occur to him, was just to put his foot down

916
00:45:53,079 --> 00:45:55,239
and go we're going practical effects for the ets in

917
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:57,519
this movie. Yeah, and then maybe I would have enjoyed

918
00:45:57,559 --> 00:45:59,639
at least that pop war. So when I saw the

919
00:45:59,639 --> 00:46:01,599
alien and I was like wow instead of like, oh

920
00:46:01,599 --> 00:46:02,880
my gosh, this is just like.

921
00:46:03,039 --> 00:46:08,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, anyway, you're like, what time is?

922
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:11,440
Speaker 2: Well I was. I mean, like I said, I think

923
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:16,039
my doing but with that, but because I know, I know,

924
00:46:16,159 --> 00:46:19,119
we can't keep you too late tonight. What what are

925
00:46:19,119 --> 00:46:20,719
the cases have you got coming up?

926
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:21,039
Speaker 3: Oh?

927
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:23,360
Speaker 2: Actually I saw you too when you were on like

928
00:46:23,599 --> 00:46:25,679
it was a Fox channel down there for a whole

929
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:28,400
for a whole news segment, which was super cool that

930
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:29,119
you guys.

931
00:46:29,159 --> 00:46:31,400
Speaker 3: Really yeah, oh, thank you so much for that. Yeah, No,

932
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:35,920
it was really cool. Uh yeah. A meteorologist Drew Anderson

933
00:46:36,079 --> 00:46:40,679
in Philadelphia. He he loves what we're doing. And it

934
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:43,760
was on Fox twenty nine local and it was their

935
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:46,719
local app that it's a live app and he does

936
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:49,239
a show called Saturdays and he came all the way

937
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:50,960
up to Bucks County here and we just hung out

938
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:53,559
with him for the whole hour and talked about cases.

939
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:56,800
Dominic did a reading for the one guy that he

940
00:46:56,920 --> 00:47:00,239
was with there at the other reporter Junior, and it

941
00:46:59,920 --> 00:47:02,000
was it was great. So it's really great to be

942
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:03,880
able to connect with people like that that are in

943
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:07,719
the industry that are you know, pushing our you know

944
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:11,119
name forward because they enjoy what we're doing, because they

945
00:47:11,199 --> 00:47:14,400
see that, you know, like you like myself, we're doing

946
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:18,320
these truth based investigations which are really important, and I

947
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:20,360
think it's people have to look at these things in

948
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:23,519
a very you know, a different type of light, you know,

949
00:47:23,639 --> 00:47:27,320
rather than you know, are you know, people saying, are

950
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:31,599
we are people creating the paranormal themselves? But no, this

951
00:47:31,599 --> 00:47:34,519
this is stuff that people are encountering, These things people

952
00:47:34,599 --> 00:47:37,519
are experiencing. So we're just like you said, I'm not

953
00:47:37,599 --> 00:47:40,360
shoving down beliefs down anybody's throat, but it's just kind

954
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:42,599
of like, this is what we're seeing, guys, this is

955
00:47:42,639 --> 00:47:45,559
what we're capturing on video. You decide what it is,

956
00:47:45,639 --> 00:47:49,079
you know. But again, it's stuff that you just can't

957
00:47:49,159 --> 00:47:51,079
you can't write this stuff. It just happens.

958
00:47:51,599 --> 00:47:53,760
Speaker 2: And people who I've got the link in the show notes,

959
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:55,760
but it's easy to find on YouTube. You just paunch

960
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:58,280
in Eric Mintel Investigates or just go to the show

961
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:01,599
notes wherever you're watching or listening this and you talked

962
00:48:01,599 --> 00:48:04,360
about Dominic a little bit. It always fascinates me when

963
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:07,159
he's there to you know, because his psyche, he can

964
00:48:07,199 --> 00:48:10,199
do these kind of of you know, ratings or impressions,

965
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:11,960
and how does he react when you do the more

966
00:48:12,079 --> 00:48:14,920
UFO stuff, like when he's involved in that, how what

967
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:16,679
what kind of takeaways does he does?

968
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:19,159
Speaker 3: He give you a little bit out of his wheelhouse,

969
00:48:19,199 --> 00:48:23,000
but he will definitely tune in on, you know, the

970
00:48:22,679 --> 00:48:26,440
the spiritual aspects of these things of people that are

971
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:30,440
again connected to the spirit world or to the UFO world.

972
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:34,400
And again it could be a generational thing too, so

973
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:37,480
he might be looking down the line at generation after generation.

974
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:41,039
Are they having these UFO experiences, you know, over the

975
00:48:41,039 --> 00:48:45,320
course of their lifetime. So to get his perspective on

976
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:48,960
the UFO situation, it's cool too because we're getting one

977
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:52,760
aspect from you know, one report from somebody, but then

978
00:48:53,159 --> 00:48:56,039
he's reading into it like what is that particular person

979
00:48:56,840 --> 00:49:00,599
got in their own personal lives that's making them, you know,

980
00:49:00,679 --> 00:49:03,679
be attuned to this type of energy, you know. And again,

981
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:06,119
at the end of the day, we're all energy. It's

982
00:49:06,199 --> 00:49:09,480
all about these frequencies that we're on and maybe that's

983
00:49:09,519 --> 00:49:11,719
the maybe that's the whole thing that connects everything, is

984
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:15,360
these frequencies. And that's again why Spielberg had those tones

985
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:18,679
in in close encounters, the musical aspects of this thing,

986
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:22,239
you know, speaking in a musical language, which was I

987
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:26,400
thought was so cool. There's an Indian uh. There's an

988
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:30,199
Indian uh tabla artist. He's a drummer, and just I

989
00:49:30,199 --> 00:49:33,360
mean just the rhythms that this guy's got, it's incredible.

990
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:36,760
There are like very intricate, mathematical type of rhythms. And

991
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:39,840
I'm thinking to myself, maybe one day and he with

992
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:43,480
the way he's doing these, he goes like that, and

993
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:45,800
I'm thinking of myself, one day, what if we have

994
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:49,519
a language like that, you know, where we're speaking in rhythms,

995
00:49:50,159 --> 00:49:53,280
you know, and not even like vocals anymore. We're speaking

996
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:57,079
in these tones or in these particular rhythms. Because you know,

997
00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:00,519
as Dave Brubeck, my my mentor in ja As said,

998
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:04,840
you know, we're all tied together by one thing, the heartbeat.

999
00:50:05,119 --> 00:50:07,519
It's something that you the first time you hear your

1000
00:50:07,519 --> 00:50:10,360
mother's heartbeat, and it's the last thing you hear before

1001
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:13,079
you die. But it's one of these things that everybody

1002
00:50:13,159 --> 00:50:16,679
is maybe connected with this heartbeat and that rhythm is

1003
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:20,480
the universal language, not melody, but rhythm. We could all

1004
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:23,079
feel that rhythm. So I think having those kind of

1005
00:50:23,119 --> 00:50:25,639
musical tones and that was really cool. And I think

1006
00:50:25,679 --> 00:50:30,280
that's another aspect of the paranormal, you know. Could it

1007
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:32,920
be that we're on these people are on these different

1008
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:37,719
wavelengths and experiencing all of these different you know, dynamics.

1009
00:50:38,119 --> 00:50:41,119
And that's what I find fascinating about the whole just

1010
00:50:41,119 --> 00:50:44,199
the whole paranormal genre in general. It's like we're all

1011
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:48,280
trying to find the truth to that, but everybody's having

1012
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:51,840
It's like a snowflake. Everybody's having these different experiences. They're

1013
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:52,719
not all the same.

1014
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:56,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting you bring up music. Somebody else said here,

1015
00:50:56,679 --> 00:50:59,800
math is music, and math is the way that music

1016
00:50:59,880 --> 00:51:02,960
is the language in close encounters. Math is the language

1017
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:05,320
in Disclosure Day. I have a very good friend of mine,

1018
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:07,679
Doug Skinner, who you really like, is an incredibly talented

1019
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:10,639
musician as well. He's based out of upstate New York now,

1020
00:51:11,639 --> 00:51:14,239
but he wrote a wonderful book, Music from Elsewhere where

1021
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:18,119
he actually was able to and he's got an accompanying

1022
00:51:18,159 --> 00:51:21,280
album on band camp. With music which was supposedly written

1023
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:23,719
by people you know, communicating with the dead, or the

1024
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:26,039
music the fair he's made, or you know, music from

1025
00:51:26,079 --> 00:51:29,199
the sky people. It's fascinating. So I do think you're

1026
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:31,880
onto something with the music thing just quickly too. When

1027
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:34,079
you were talking that it was something that just flashed

1028
00:51:34,079 --> 00:51:37,599
into my head for some reason. And this might be

1029
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:40,880
might be one of the reasons this movie doesn't resonate

1030
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:43,280
the way Close Encounters did. Keep I can't leave Disclosure

1031
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:47,559
Day alone for some reason. But RELs, I think it

1032
00:51:47,639 --> 00:51:50,320
was still a mystery, right, Like when Close Encounters came

1033
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:53,320
out in the seventies, there wasn't really this There wasn't

1034
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:58,960
this general consensus to a yourphological mythology there the way

1035
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:02,639
there was from the late seventies through the eighties into

1036
00:52:02,639 --> 00:52:06,880
the nineties. But so so when Spielberg makes that film,

1037
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:09,920
it's still a mystery, what is this? Right, But when

1038
00:52:10,159 --> 00:52:13,679
Spielberg makes Disclosure Day, it's a given. Oh, everybody knows

1039
00:52:13,679 --> 00:52:17,079
the Roswell story, everybody knows about alien productions. Everybody knows

1040
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:20,280
during parenthesis that the government knows everything and is keeping

1041
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:22,920
all the secrets. So here, all he's left to do

1042
00:52:23,199 --> 00:52:26,159
is just to say the mythology is all correct, and

1043
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:29,559
oh it's a wonderful day. Finally the secret's a released. Well,

1044
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:35,119
Close Encounters is at an experiential level for the UFO witness,

1045
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:38,079
you're kind of you're traveling through them finding out what

1046
00:52:38,159 --> 00:52:40,960
this revelationary thing's going to be. So I think in

1047
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:43,880
the seventies there was more space to make a movie

1048
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:46,360
that dealt with it, perhaps in a more interesting way. Today,

1049
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:48,960
perhaps that's what this movie is, the proof of there's

1050
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:51,199
no space anymore to deal with this. It hasn't been

1051
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:52,239
done one hundred times.

1052
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:55,639
Speaker 3: I totally agree. I totally agree. You know, you're talking

1053
00:52:55,639 --> 00:52:58,320
about the maths music. You know, here's the other thing too.

1054
00:52:58,599 --> 00:53:01,920
I've never really had any type of lessons. I had

1055
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:05,159
maybe one year's worth of lessons, So you know, I

1056
00:53:05,159 --> 00:53:07,480
could just sit down and play. I could hear something

1057
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:10,079
play and I don't really read music that well either,

1058
00:53:10,119 --> 00:53:12,239
but to sit down and play. So you could say

1059
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:15,400
that maybe is a paranormal aspect of this, and why

1060
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:20,039
I love the combination of jazz and paranormal because we

1061
00:53:20,119 --> 00:53:22,079
do some things sometimes that I don't even know where

1062
00:53:22,079 --> 00:53:25,559
it came from. You know, it's amazing so the two

1063
00:53:25,599 --> 00:53:28,840
things are really interconnected there, and come to find out

1064
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:33,000
later there are a lot of musicians that have had

1065
00:53:33,199 --> 00:53:36,679
UFO encounters and that are all like you know, that

1066
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:40,239
have had these experiences, which is really fascinating.

1067
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:42,119
Speaker 2: That is fascinating. A good friend of mine and a

1068
00:53:42,119 --> 00:53:43,800
friend of the show who's been on a number of

1069
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:46,800
times in the past, Horace Smith, who's professor Emmeris of

1070
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:50,119
astronomy and physics at Michigan State University, just reminded us

1071
00:53:50,159 --> 00:53:53,800
that the famous astronomy kepler also calculated the music of

1072
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:59,880
the spheres. Absolutely, this connection with music and science. Yeah, somehow,

1073
00:53:59,880 --> 00:54:02,440
I'm just wondering quickly because I know we're almost out

1074
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:04,440
of time. We've got to another question from squatch Mama.

1075
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:07,039
How does a movie compare to Close Encounters? The movie

1076
00:54:07,119 --> 00:54:08,960
left me eye wide with wonder Well, I think we've

1077
00:54:09,039 --> 00:54:12,159
kind of touched on that right, Like I great, Close

1078
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:15,280
Encounters isn't a phenomenal movie which leaves you I think,

1079
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:18,599
you know, Iwid, As you said squatch MoMA, I think

1080
00:54:18,639 --> 00:54:21,199
this one, at least for me, Eric, because I already

1081
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:23,199
knew the whole story, I just hadn't seen it put

1082
00:54:23,199 --> 00:54:25,599
together this way by Spielberg. There's nothing new in there

1083
00:54:25,639 --> 00:54:27,559
that's going to hit you with wonder this, you know.

1084
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:31,239
Speaker 3: No, no, not at all. Yeah, now, And I think

1085
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:32,800
just the thing is, we just got to keep going

1086
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:36,880
with our own research going, and you know, going with

1087
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:39,920
our gut, you know, and really what is going on

1088
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:42,800
out there, and really having you know, we're getting these experiences.

1089
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:45,760
Here's the other thing too, we're both of us, you

1090
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:47,960
and I both are those guys that are boots on

1091
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:51,000
the ground. We're going to the site. We're going to

1092
00:54:51,039 --> 00:54:53,800
those locations. We're not doing the research behind the computer.

1093
00:54:54,159 --> 00:54:57,280
We're there. I mean, I've been. I always tell people

1094
00:54:57,400 --> 00:55:00,760
in my presentations that I have. There's two things. One

1095
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:03,639
of seeing a video and then actually being on site

1096
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:09,400
where that video occurred. And it was this restaurant in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania,

1097
00:55:09,519 --> 00:55:12,679
where on the video you see a chair bolt out

1098
00:55:12,679 --> 00:55:15,320
from the table, you know, like this paranormal energy, right,

1099
00:55:15,559 --> 00:55:18,480
But there's a there's a wall there too, So you

1100
00:55:18,519 --> 00:55:20,280
could say, looking at the video, there was a guy

1101
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:23,679
behind the wall pushing this chair out. But now when

1102
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:26,000
we got on site, that was not the case at all,

1103
00:55:26,119 --> 00:55:28,639
because I looked, I went right to that wall. There's

1104
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:30,719
no way it could have been anybody there because there

1105
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:33,280
was a lower wall that was there and it went

1106
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:35,840
back and I there was a table there as well,

1107
00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:39,159
so you could we did an experiment. I stood there

1108
00:55:39,159 --> 00:55:40,920
and there was no way you could be not on

1109
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:44,199
the security camera, so that was really cool. And then

1110
00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:46,320
there was an orbit that came over into that same

1111
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:50,280
thing and threw sugar container packet, which was crazy. So

1112
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:55,159
you know, you can't really you can't really say it

1113
00:55:55,199 --> 00:55:57,880
looking at a video that and then debunk it. You

1114
00:55:57,960 --> 00:55:59,960
have to be on site. And that was incredible. Same

1115
00:56:00,079 --> 00:56:03,960
thing with Elcorn which we talked about as well, and

1116
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:05,880
a lot of these other things. So going to these

1117
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:08,679
locations I think is really important. So we've got a

1118
00:56:08,679 --> 00:56:11,559
lot of videos coming up where we're actually I mean

1119
00:56:11,599 --> 00:56:14,239
we are always on site. But we've got a bigfoot

1120
00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:17,000
video coming up next month that we're doing Bigfoot in

1121
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:21,039
the Pocono's. We're also doing another video about UFO's Bucks

1122
00:56:21,039 --> 00:56:25,599
County and another UFO video about UFOs in the Lord's

1123
00:56:25,679 --> 00:56:29,559
Valley of the Poconos in near Stroudsburg, which there's been

1124
00:56:29,599 --> 00:56:31,559
a lot of sightings and people are getting a lot

1125
00:56:31,559 --> 00:56:35,239
of video footage. But this Bigfoot video that we're gonna

1126
00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:38,559
be doing in next month. I've gotten a lot of

1127
00:56:38,599 --> 00:56:41,599
people that are saying that a lot of testimony from

1128
00:56:41,599 --> 00:56:44,559
people from just today. I put out a thing about,

1129
00:56:44,639 --> 00:56:47,440
you know, doing this video, and everybody came out with

1130
00:56:47,519 --> 00:56:50,159
some sightings that they've had, and even a lot of

1131
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:54,599
a police officer who also is a bigfoot researcher has

1132
00:56:54,639 --> 00:56:56,840
some reports that he's going to share with me as well.

1133
00:56:57,320 --> 00:56:59,480
So it's interesting time to be in Dean. I mean,

1134
00:56:59,519 --> 00:57:02,599
we're gonna great period. Our business is couldn't even be

1135
00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:05,400
could not be better in the paranormal world.

1136
00:57:06,679 --> 00:57:09,960
Speaker 2: Man, you do such incredible stuff. I love Eric Minto Investigations.

1137
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:13,440
It always so anentertaining and appreciate that. No, just great.

1138
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:16,079
I've got the links again where people can watch that,

1139
00:57:16,199 --> 00:57:17,719
or the link where they can watch I've also got

1140
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:19,639
a link to your Amazon saw it in the show

1141
00:57:19,679 --> 00:57:22,159
notes where people can go and get your wonderful books.

1142
00:57:22,199 --> 00:57:24,320
But is there anything you want to point people at

1143
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:25,519
or anything else you want to.

1144
00:57:25,559 --> 00:57:30,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, they could go onto my website too. It's Ericmantelinvestigates

1145
00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:33,960
dot org and we have a big paranormal convention. If

1146
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:36,400
some of your listeners are out here in Pennsylvania. We've

1147
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:40,440
got a paranormal convention happening on October fourth, first annual

1148
00:57:40,519 --> 00:57:45,760
Pocono Para con at the Sherman Theater in Strausburg, Pennsylvania.

1149
00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:48,639
That's gonna be from twelve to six. We've got speakers.

1150
00:57:48,639 --> 00:57:51,280
We've got Tom Carey's going to be speaking there about

1151
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:55,320
Roswell death, deathbed confessions. We have a Gene Stico. I

1152
00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:57,679
don't know if you've interviewed him yet, Dean great guy

1153
00:57:57,719 --> 00:58:00,920
to talk to. His wife Jane is very high up

1154
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:04,840
military guy. Was he's retired now in desert Storm, the

1155
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:10,000
Gulf War. His wife Natalia, her father was a physicist

1156
00:58:10,599 --> 00:58:13,119
and never really knew what he did. She never knew

1157
00:58:13,159 --> 00:58:15,960
what he did most of his life. Well, turns out

1158
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:19,679
he had passed away. He sent her a whole packet

1159
00:58:19,719 --> 00:58:23,440
of information. Turns out they open it up and here

1160
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:26,920
are plans and blueprints and everything. He was reverse engineering

1161
00:58:27,119 --> 00:58:30,519
UFOs for the Russian government. Good grief, and it was

1162
00:58:30,639 --> 00:58:34,159
just amazing. Man. So they're gonna be speaking Dominic and

1163
00:58:34,199 --> 00:58:37,400
I are gonna be there. We've got Mike Famelin who

1164
00:58:37,519 --> 00:58:40,920
is talking about Bigfoot and he has a great presentation

1165
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:44,039
and my buddy Jim Kruge is talking about crop circles,

1166
00:58:44,599 --> 00:58:48,000
so really interesting things. So yeah, it's gonna be cool.

1167
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:49,960
Oh that was another thing, Dean. What about what was

1168
00:58:50,039 --> 00:58:52,679
up with the crop circle? Nothing was even my thing

1169
00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:54,320
was even like talked about.

1170
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:56,119
Speaker 2: You know what was up with the crop circle. I'll

1171
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tell you right now. It was a great trailer moment.

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So they just threw it in like he doesn't even difference.

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He's on the phone and the crop circles around him.

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It just happens, you know what. It looked great in

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the trailer, and so they were that. I guarantee it

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was a trailer moment.

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Speaker 3: You're totally right. I just that just came to me right.

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Speaker 2: Now, I believing. I'm glad you brought it up because

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I wanted to mention it. I would have forgotten it.

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But man, it was so great talking to you Eric.

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It all always is you.

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Speaker 3: Too, Dean. Dean. I gotta tell you, man, thank you.

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I seriously thank you so much. You are one of

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those guys man that really takes us in your interest

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in what we're doing and vice versa, where I'm very

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grateful to know you as a friend and to have

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us on here, thank you so much, and we got

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to make it more than every six months.

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Speaker 2: I totally agree, and hopefully you and I will talk

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sooner than the next six months. But until you and

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I chat again again sooner the next six months, and

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until I talked to everybody else out there, which will

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be same weird time nine pm Central Thursday night, same

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weird network, and the untold Radio network. Please keep it weird.

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Speaker 3: T