Speaker 1: The paranormal, zifos, monsters, mysteries. As you're listening to Talking
Weird and Know from a Kevin deep in the northwards,
your host, Doctor Dean Bertram.
Speaker 2: Greetings, are my fellow weirdos and weird ads. Welcome to
Talking Weird on the Untold Radio Network. I'm your host,
Dean Bertram, And wherever you are on this weird planet,
whatever time zone, whether you're watching live or watching one
of the the archive shows after the fact, I'm grateful
to have you here for the next hour or so
of your life. Thank you for joining me tonight. It's
going to be a great show. I just literally got
home a couple hours ago from seeing the new Spielberg
movie Disclosure Day, which has obviously been talked about and
anticipated highly in the UFO community since it was announced,
particularly given those ongoing I suppose trends within you know,
the media cycle and US government hearings and releases by
the Trump administration of old UFO documents. It seems to
be a very timely movie and I'll be getting into
it some length with my guest tonight. There might be spoilers.
As a warning, I know my guest doesn't want to
do spoilers. I'm not going to make him, but I
probably won't be able to help myself. So if you
want to come back and watch this after you've seen
the movie, feel free, or maybe you'll listen to this
and we'll make you want to see the movie less
or maybe more. So, maybe it's worth listening to some
of what we have to say before you go into
the cinema to see Disclosure. Dave, you're planning to anyway.
Tonight's guest is a renowned jazz musician and paranormal investigator,
and for over thirty years he has led the acclaimed
Eric Mintel Quartet, performing at prestigious venues like the White
House and the Kennedy Center and captivating audiences with his
innovative jazz compositions. Beyond music, he's made a name for
himself in the world of the paranormal with his hit
TV series, Eric Mintel investigates exploring phenomenon from ghosts and
UFOs to bigfoot and dog man sidings. His dual careers
highlight his diverse talents and insatiable curiosity. So I'm delighted
to welcome back to talking with my very good friend
and the incredibly talented human being that is the one,
the only Eric Mintel like go Et and Et. It's
perfect tonight. Their background. By the way, your sidekick.
Speaker 3: How you doing, man, it's so good to see you
in a minute.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been too long. I mean to be honest,
it's probably only been six months, but that's still way
too long, way too long, way too long.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 3: Always it's always a pleasure to talk with you. I
always love what you're doing. You've always got something going on,
and I just love being surrounded by like minded people.
And oh yeah, we're gonna have a good time tonight
because there was a lot to talk about.
Speaker 2: There really is. And I watched some of your more
recent Eric mi Intel investigates the videos the other day
with my daughter. She loved them as well, because she's
in the weird. We'll get to some of that later.
We'll talk about some of the things that you've been
up to, because some of them involve fascinating UFO investigations,
which is as timely as the Spielberg movie is. I
just saw Disclosure Day with my daughter this afternoon. I
literally have only been home a couple of hours.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, what you saw?
Speaker 2: A couple of days ago.
Speaker 3: I saw a couple of days ago. What are your thoughts?
What are some of your thoughts right after that, you
know what, fresh right out of the theater.
Speaker 2: I know you're gonna have I think, because you're a
much more positive human being than I am. I think
you're gonna have a more positive intern pretation of the movie.
Speaker 3: Dean. I'll tell you, I don't know. I think you
and I might be on the same page.
Speaker 2: Here, Okay, before we get into the meat of the sandwich,
which is the disclosure and is it a sy of
and is it releasing everything? And these are the kind
of things that the UFO community talk about. I was underwhelmed,
to be honest, I'm a big Spielberg fan. I'm a
kid of the seventies and eighties. I grew up on
films like Jaws and Raiders of the Lost Ark, and
of course Close Encounters et that you have behind you,
and Close Encounters are the third kind. I think remains
arguably the greatest UFO movie ever made. It's an incredible film,
yep as is et They certainly, particularly Close Encounters, it
almost seemed like you were seeing something which was I
don't know, revolutionary and there was revelation in there, and
there was something just incredibly magical about it. Even though
as I matured in my views on UFOs, I always
thought Spielberg went for the easy out and the final
act making it so literal, which is something I know
Jacques flat complained about, who was actually a consultant on
that along with his friend Jayleen Heidek. But this movie,
to me, to be honest, it felt old and tired.
It felt like this is The X Files with a
happier ending and without you know, as clever minutia dealings
with how the conspiracy operates. It just it just seemed
a disnified version of The X Files that might have
felt fresh in the mid nineties and now just felt
like tired. Now. Obviously it had the whole disclosure thing
attached to it, But if it didn't have that term
and that it could have been a film that was
made in nineteen ninety six, to be honest, and it
would have felt it would have felt fresher.
Speaker 3: Then Yeah, no, I agree. I you know, some parts
of it were you know, it's Spielberg, of course, you know,
it's like it's definitely a Spielberg movie. Some parts of
it were incredible. Other parts just left your flat and
I was a little I mean, I was excited, but
I was a little disappointed at the same time. So,
you know, and I think, you know, here's the thing, though,
I think it was, you know, all the disclosure that's
going on now that we're seeing and that that's coming
out really wasn't anything new in there. I mean, it's
really kind of like regurgitated stuff that we've already seen.
Speaker 2: Totally agree. Yeah, I think Spielberg dropped the ball on
the whole movie the same way he dropped the ball
of the ending of Close Encounters having to literalize it
so much. One of the things that has excited me
about disclosure, and much of the disclosure conversation doesn't excite me,
but one of the things that has decided excited me
is that multiple people who have been front and center
in the disclosure movement, I don't agree with all of them.
That said, I don't agree with a lot of them,
but a constant theme which the media hasn't really picked
up on, but everybody from like Tom DeLong, the head
of to the Stars Academy and you know, the head
of you know, Blink one eight two and Angels and
Wear Airwaves, two bands I love to David Grush himself
through Leslie Keane, the author of the co author of
the New York Times article in twenty seventeen, which kind
of blew this all open to other media commentators like
Tucker Carlson, through people like through people who were you know,
I suppose just people generally who are thought to be
in the no like hal Putov would be another example,
and there are plenty of them. I could just go
on and on and on, but there's been this kind
of theme in the conversation that whatever this is an
extraterrestrial Some people say, I mean Jade Vance, the Vice president, said,
this seems more like demonic to me. And whether you
say demonic or spiritual or interdimensional, we're all talking about
kind of the same thing. That this isn't just as
simple as you know, little green or gray men in
tin cans visiting us from out of space. There's something
much weirder going on, and that seems to have been
an undercurrent in many of the conversations around disclosure. But
Spielberg takes us right back to, you know again, to
the X Files, where it's all extraterrestrial where it's all
the tried and true narrative of you know, and this
isn't a spoiler for anybody if you've watched the trailer
where it all goes back to the forty seven or
as well thing where it's all the alien abductions, or
you know, a central part of the story and the
wicked government or in this case, kind of a military
industrial as corporation I guess keeps the secrets and it
just it didn't it didn't engage with what I think
are the more interesting things about disclosure and the idea
at the end too. If this military industrial you know,
private sector part of the of the government, it has
spent the whole spent since forty seven, you know, keeping
this under wraps, or since I think they kind of
suggest to get in the seventy something happened and this
kind of organization took off more from them. But whatever then,
and this is a bit of a spoiler, but there's
the sense that somehow the media are going to be
the good guys in the end. But the media are
owned by the same you know corporations that owned the
military industrial you know, private contractor type people. All these
big corporations. If there is a villain, they could very
well be them, but to kind of segment it. And
even at the end, the Middle Tree Industrial Complex people
are kind of nice too, and it's like just to anyway,
so many problems. I don't even know what. I didn't
even know where to go.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lot of a lot of plot holes
in it, and just you know, look, you know, I
love Spielberg. Let's not let's go let's go back to
this Close Encounters. Phenomenal movie. I mean, just really incredible,
and at the end of that movie, just the wonder
of like, you know, here's Roy Roy Neary played by
Richard Drives, who was being called to this to this area, right,
so and that was really cool, this particular one, I think,
you know, it's it was again showing some of the
stuff that we've already seen in the news, and uh,
and just some of the stuff that they didn't you know,
the thing is they didn't address any of like the
underwater stuff that's been going the and just the two
people that were abducted. There's been hundreds and I mean
it's like over the or the over the course of
this of these seventy years I mean we go right Beck,
Betty and Barney Hill, Travis Walton, all these stories. Nothing
like that was addressed. So the movie, for an entertainment standpoint, great,
It was great, but it did leave me kind of
at the you know, at the end. And again, people
are gonna look at this and you know, some people
love it, some people are gonna be like, you know,
they're gonna be disappointed. But here's the thing too, I
think we're looking at it and trying to get some
answers and thinking that Spielberg has the answer. He doesn't
know any more than anybody else. He's a filmmaker, you know.
And they're also they're saying stuff like, oh, was he
privy to all this knowledge? And I don't think so.
I mean, he's a filmmaker. He even said himself he's
never had a sighting, so you know, I mean, and
he wants to. But the one thing with Spielberg and
that that I love and that's awesome, is he got
we're talking about it right now here we are, we're
talking about it, We're talking about what it could mean,
what was this about. So at least he's got people talking.
And before that, though, the government coming out and saying, hey, folks,
the UFOs you're seeing are real, we just don't know
what they are. At least it's a conversation that got started,
you know. And I got to tell you, Dean, a
lot of the stuff that they have been releasing though,
I mean, I've gotten better video from my witnesses exactly,
you know. I mean it's like and then some of
the stuff is misinterpreted, like there was an eight point
star that was going around saying that, oh, this is
the next biblical thing, like this is what Ezekiel saw,
but what they didn't realize it was actually a military
flare on a parachute. And it's so you've got to
look at these things, you know, objectively, as we do.
You know, we and you and I are both in
that mindset of like, look, what is really going on here,
you know, before we say, oh, it's got to be
definitive proof, you know. So I think that that's the
one thing. But the one thing that we are doing
is talking about it. So that's a good thing. At
least people are looking and they're they're going from looking
at their cell phones, you know, to looking up now,
you know, because there is a lot lot of stuff
going on. I will say that we've been getting a
lot of reports from people that are seeing crazy stuff,
getting video of these crazy things. The one thing that
has been coming out which I find really interesting is
when these whistleblowers are coming out. It's great that they've
got their stories, but again it's a story where's the evidence, Like,
where's the stuff? But I do like the fact that
they're talking about these plasmoid life forms, right so, and
the orbs that people are seeing, and I've had my
own encounter with those things, and so I think that's
something that we need to look at a little bit
more and look into a little bit more because I've
gotten a lot of reports from people and you've seen
a lot of those orbs and videos that are they're
being seen and then they're disappearing. What is that? Is
it an inter dimensional thing? You know that now they're
saying that these things have wings, and so it's just
that part of it's all very fascinating to me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting you brought up the plasm there was
in the recent press conference at the Capitol steps or
wherever the devil they were, and Grush comes out again.
It's the first time we've really seen him front and
center since the interviews News Nation did and the actual
the congressional hearings a year or so ago. But some
of the claims just seemed like literally out of bad
UFO literature of the nineteen nineties, Like the US government
are aware of several different species interacting with us, from
what was it bipedal corporeal beings to plasmoidal entities. Now
that's a big nutty claim to make unless you're going
to be because it literally sounds like some of the
bad sci fi euphology of the nineties where people were saying, well,
there's then audics and the insectoids and this and then that,
and it just seems so overinflated for startus, how do
you know any of this? So I often can't help
but wonder if the people in positions of power, or
the people in these positions it might even be as
dreadful a conspiracy as everybody thinks. It might be a
conspiracy of belief, because people in government aren't aren't immune
from having a belief system. And if you're somebody who's
in government and read all the UFO literature, then you
yourself become certain if you're reading that stuff. Oh, there,
there are lots of these different beings, but I find
it difficult to believe the US government has in some
you know, I don't know, underground based somewhere several different
dead alien beings that they're all studying, and that's something disclosure.
They did it too, just quickly and then I'll throw
it back to you, which was super kind of irritating.
They vaguely start to talk about. One of the female
characters is worried that this is going to destroy people's faith,
and all she's seen is videos from her boyfriend who's
stolen all of this. And this is spoilersus to people.
Turn it off if you don't want to hear. He's
stolen all of these videos. And essentially this is the
whole plot of the movie, Like they're trying to, you know,
initiate disclosure, and he has videos he shows of Essentially
we see more of it later. In fact, it's my
favorite part of the movie where Nixon takes Jackie Gleeson
in to see the dead alien bodies, which has been
a europhological myth since the seventies. But he shows her this,
so they've got the dead alien bodies. Nixon sees them,
and then there's footage of an alien being kind of
autopsied but it's still alive or medically procedure, and it's screaming.
And then she's like, this will destroy everybody's faith. Did
they see this? They'll think of these as divine beings.
And I'm thinking what I just saw would make me
think they were incapable beings because they're crashing sauces all
over the place. We've got all these dead bodies, we're
torturing in the laboratories. It's not like that she was
seeing videos of oh, these aliens coming down and exerting
all this power. So it was just so it was
so ludicrous that part of the film, and the other
ludicrous the whole, the whole idea, and it's an insult
to abduct these Not that I believe the traditional abduction
narrative either, but I have to come back to it
because you brought it up. Is that the story is
essentially there's just two alien abductees, and these people have
been programmed by the ETS big spoiler to essentially initiate disclosure.
And the ETS are good. Now, if you read any
amount of alien abduction literature, and again I have taken
all with a grain of salt, the idea of these aliens,
like tell me to an abductee who thinks they were
probed when they were child, and you know what I mean,
just present the aliens as the good guys that were
here to So it's one little narrow corner of eufology,
you know, turned into this like this is there's only
two abductees and they've been programmed to save us. It's anyway,
my head was exploding a few times during the movie,
as you can probably tell.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I bet, yeah, it was. There were a lot
of moments it was you know, it was like essentially
like a chase movie, you know, being chased. And then
I found it like so crazy that here these these
guys are chasing them and they're they're so inept that
they don't see this guy like five feet away from them,
and it's like, oh man, that was bad crunching crunching
branches and they don't hear that. So I mean, that's
again it's a movie like we understand that, but no,
but I did. I actually kind of liked the fact
that they did the Jackie plice and at least they
had that because that was in that in that you
the lore of that. I also like the fact that
they actually mentioned a little bit of Kexsburg in there too. Yeah,
whereas Kexsburg, I don't realize that they didn't have. I
mean from all the literature that in the in the stories,
there was never anything as far as like an alien
recovered from there. It was maybe alluded to they took
the craft and the object out of there, but they
made it like there there was an actual alien still
alive there, you know. And and again they didn't go
back as far as they showed a little bit of Roswell.
But look, you know, we're in a generation now that
these are young people that are going to come to
see this, and yeah, they're gonna probably they're going to
talk about Roswell and hopefully they'll do some research. People
seeing this will do some research and go back to
some of these stories that have been around for ages,
you know, eighty years and more and and and do
the research themselves and know that look, some of the stuff, yeah,
this this could have happened, This other stuff could have happened,
and then this other stuff is complete rubbish like you
just said. So you know, but yeah, it was. I
don't know, man, it was. It was. It's tough because
I love Steven Spielbert, but man, it's like you wanted
something a little bit more.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was weird on how many levels. I was disappointed.
I took my daughter. She actually enjoyed it because I
guess it's a relatively fast moving movie and there's little animals. Again,
this literalization of the shield memory that abductees talk about,
or the screen memory I saw an owl or I
saw a fox, or I saw a deer. It was
really discovered. You know, anybody who's read a David Jacob's book,
or you know a Bud Hopkins book or you know
whatever aware of this story. So that was kind of cool,
if an over literalization of things, I think. But I
can't see this film being a classic the way we
look back at it as et and close encounters in
the years to come. And one of the reasons is
the two lead characters, not that Emily Blunt or the
other guy who plays the male leader, you know, bad
actors or anything. But it is no everyman element of it.
There's no like, there's no neary element of it, or
the who loses her child to the abduct to the
abduction in Close Encounters. I don't think you can, really,
I don't think you can travel with these characters. Your
average person can't travel with these characters the way they
could travel with the Late, the male and female late
in the original Close Encounters.
Speaker 3: No, no, I totally agree. And that was the thing too.
You know, there was that one moment in there where
the cardinal comes in and all of a sudden, she's
just she has a memory, and she goes back and
then suddenly can speak all these you know, different languages
and stuff. Another spoiler, sorry, guys. So you know, so
that's one part of it. And then this other guy,
you know that he can understand what she's saying because
she's talking in math, you know, And so I get that,
and those are cool elements. But let's not forget this movie. Also,
it was rewritten forty two times, you know, so it
was written then rewritten, so you know, but I do look,
at the end of the day, at least he's getting
people to talk about it, you know, and maybe not
good about it, but at least we're talking about it
and what could be. And then you've got other researchers
like us, and that we're doing our own research. We're
talking to witnesses. I mean, I'm getting people, like I said,
I'm getting people that are seeing these things and experiencing
all of this stuff. And I truly believe that there
are certain a lot of people are connected to this
paranormal energy and the spirit world. Whether it's ghosts, UFO's
bigfoot dog man, whatever, people are connected in some way
like a big spider web, They're all connected to this.
Speaker 2: I think that's where Spielberg dropped the ball here. I
think we're at a stage now and understanding this a
little bit better as a community, or at least as
some of the members of the community. Where have you
dealt well instead of dealing with the religious issues so
dismissively having that more than just well, people's faith will
be broken if they know there's aliens, which is such
a tried idea now to actually have looked at perhaps
some of the spiritual and some of the paranormal aspects
of the phenomena. Now that makes it a hardest story
to tell, and it isn't easily wrapped up in you know,
three acts and just a stamp on the end. Of it.
But I think it would have been much more powerful
that it hadn't been so literalized again the same way
he did at the end of Closing Counters. What was
still in you and Fresh though you could super literalize it. Yeah,
I mean, now it's not you and Fresh anymore.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you had at the end of Close Encounters, you
had this this contact between this race and you had
this like and this was you know, it was all
coming to that, to that aspect in this you didn't
know where it was going, like where are we going?
Here is it? Are they gonna? Are they gonna get
chased again? Out of here? She's ready, you know, she's
ready to disclose all this stuff. And those guys just
walk out of the room. I mean, if that was
real life, she'd be she'd be tackled. You know, It's
just like it was like really, But I did like
the fact that there was no killing in this, you know,
which was nice too, because there was you know, not
of humans, that is right, but you know, but it
was nice to see that because movies nowadays, man, it's
just gratuitous violence in this it's crazy. But this at
least brought back a little bit of you know, wholesomeness
and that kind of thing, you know, not having that
and you don't need that in this particular story. I
don't think you needed that.
Speaker 2: It was a very I think it's a fairly family
friendly film. Yeah, when my daughter was I was actually
in two minds about taking it because I'd seen there
was some abduction imagery in the trailer, the most recent trailer,
and I thought, I don't know that some of that
imagery can be really strong, But it was actually so
mild in this movie. And it wasn't like it wasn't
like you know we've seen in Communion, or we've seen
in you know, the Travis Walton, you know, Fire in
the Sky movie, or so many movies with abduction imagery
are just like literally would haunt you if you were
a child.
Speaker 3: Just have that. I would suggest if anyone wants to
really get a really people want to be haunted, go
and listen to the Barney Hill and Betty Hill hypnosis transcriptions.
Right the audio recordings of these guys that were under hypnosis.
You will it'll bring tears to your eyes. It brought
tears to my eyes. I was hit with such just
for what these two people went through and and this
doctor was not coercing them into into this. This is
something that happened. And I mean the way Barney is
describing these things, man, I mean he is absolutely terrified.
So I and that's available on YouTube. People can go
check it out. But it's amazing, So, you know, stuff
like that. And then Travis Walton, you know, all these guys,
there's maybe a handful of those abduction cases, Whitley Strieber,
all these guys that I think are really you know,
it's stuff happened to them, you know, But but none
of that was addressed. You know, none of that was
even talked about. And it's a global it's a global thing.
And just to have two people no more, it's bigger
than that.
Speaker 2: You know. It's interesting. I wonder to see, I'm somebody
who's not a real nuts and bolts you know, you
follows I drift into the Kilian valet In type interpretations
in the more and also more social psychological type interpretations. Well,
but I wonder how your more traditional extraterrestrial hypothesis believe
who's well read in literature at least, how are they
going to take this movie? Like, are they going to
be insulted by the way alien abduction is dealt with.
Are they going to just I don't know, because I'm
not that person anymore. You know, there was a period
of my life many years ago where I was more
of that person. But I mean, I'm looking at it
for more of a you know, a critical position as
somebody who's interested in film as well as somebody who
is very suspicious of any disclosure narrative anyway, But i'd
be I'm really I'm curious to see how this blows
out in the UFO community, people going this is amazing,
or people going no, this is wrong here and here
and here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think I think you're going to get
a lot more of the latter, you know. And yeah,
already some of the reviews coming out, you know. And
I mean some of the reviews are great, you know.
And that's and that's fine.
Speaker 2: I purpose we didn't read any before we talk Like
I saw them dropping, I thought, no, I'm not because
I don't want to take my interpretation same thing.
Speaker 3: I didn't want to see anything before I went to
see it. As a matter of fact, I got an
email and I posted on Facebook that I get an
email from a representative from US Universal inviting us to
go see a pre screen, which was really wild. Yeah,
we're influencers. My god, this is amazing, so you know,
and that was cool. And then we had a film
critic sitting behind us in Philadelphia by the name of
Patrick Stoner who was actually going to talk to Bielberg
the next day. So I don't know if that review
came out yet, but I'm sure. I'm sure it has
confessional spin it but it was pretty cool. But yeah, no,
I think you're you're going to have both sides are
going to be you know, kind of like what is
going on or saying, well, you know it's here, this
is what we've been talking about for eighty years, you know.
Speaker 2: And I also, you know what, this is me just
being filming now. Then we'll get to some really UFO cases,
because I'm sure much of our audience would love to
hear that too. The movie was a very cold movie
as well, in production design and just generally, and now
maybe that was intentional, but it didn't feel like it was.
It felt almost two, I don't know, clean the space,
even when they were in dirty scenes like that, you know,
the farmhouse that they escaped to for a while, it
never felt like this lived in environment the way Close
Encounters and ET did like. It never felt like, oh,
that's what my living room would look like, you know
what I mean, Or that's what my apartment would look like,
or it just felt it just even the government scenes
in Close Encounters were kind of denky and ganky and
they felt real. This just felt so I don't know,
just so perfectly overproduced production. Just that also made me
think this I can tell by certain shots, like you know,
the fruit loops falling in front of the hail scene.
There's things which is very spilberging and in there the
bright back light at the end where the you know,
the supervisors with the two main leads and you know,
it's all blown out light in the back. There are
things that look like Spilberg. But there's also a lot
of it that doesn't. There's a lot of it that
just looks like modern paint by numbers production design and lighting.
And that also disappointed me, to be.
Speaker 3: Yes, the only thing I did like. I did like
about one thing about it was the psychic connection to
these things, and that was kind of neat with that
device that they were holding, and that was kind of
cool where you could almost say it was very remote viewing,
you know, similar situation to that that was cool, yeah,
which was cool. And the teleportation aspects of this thing,
you know, which is really cool. So those are the
things that I think were interesting that way, But as
far as like the overall uphology, myth kind of fell flat.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, well, I mean, and what would you if
you go maybe and then we'll move on. If you
if we were going to do a standard Cisco and
Abot type, you know, writing out of five stars or
you know, thumbs up or thumbs down or whatever we
want to do, what would you what would you give
this movie?
Speaker 3: I would say, like somebody asked me that today, what
out of ten you know, ten tenco? Then I would
say it's a seven.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would maybe give it five maybe, Like I
just you know, it was In fact, I think it's
probably I'm trying to think if I've seen a Spielberg
movie which is as poor as this, I don't think
I have. I think it's Spielberg hitting its lowest batting average.
I just don't think it's a good I just don't,
you know, I don't think it's a great movie anyway,
but and uphologically, I think it's even worse, which a three.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean, like I said, you're gonna get
both sides back and forth on this. I think it's
going to be the next the next few months on
this is going to be it's gonna be crazy, you know,
for the UFO world. But uh, but at least we're
at least one thing is we're talking about it, you know,
and there but beyond all this, there is stuff going on.
I mean, there's there's people that are having encounters, which
is which is an incredible thing. So that's what are
That's what we're on the pulse of right now.
Speaker 2: Tell us a little bit about the Turkey heel case
I watched recently. Oh my god, it's a fascinating story, man,
that's more fascinating than this film was.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, thank you. That gets a ten.
Speaker 2: At least gets a gnaw And it's a fascinating story.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 2: It's great from you.
Speaker 3: I appreciate that. Oh my god. Now you know, it
was crazy because we did this video uh UFOs over
Jim Thorpe, Pennsylvania, and it was incredible because people, you know,
here's the thing we're talking about. All this UFO disclosure
and people are coming out of the woodwork talking about
their encounters, you know, and that stigmatic kind of idea
has gone away now because hey, you know, these are
people are having these experiences. So that jim Thorpe was incredible.
A guy who's also a comedian, his name is Russell Austen,
wanted to tell the story and he said he and
a buddy were driving in jim Thorpe heading out of town,
and traffic was really going slow. They're trying to figure
out what's going on, and they look up and hear
they see just above the building, not even you know,
high up, just about building top was this, Like he said,
he thought it was a blimp, but it was a
round blue sphere and just basically hovering over the town
and they couldn't believe it. He was trying to take
his phone, trying to take a picture of his phone,
and his phone wasn't working. It was not able to
do it. It was just completely like combobulated, So that
was interesting. He was having like electronic disturbances and all
the traffic people were looking up at this thing, and
he said, suddenly a door, he looked like a door
opened up underneath this thing and it went into something
and disappeared, which is like I'm saying to myself, is
this interdimensional? What is going on here? But he swears
by this stuff, and look, I said this to you before.
I'm good at discerning the truth from the bs from people,
you know, and when this guy you could tell was
the real deal telling because he was still perplexed by
it and wasn't able to get any pictures. But again,
he's a guy that I think is connected because he's
had other experiences and seeing these orbs and the orange
orbs and stuff, so he may be a connector to
these things.
Speaker 2: That's swimming story too, because he's one of the key
witnesses in that story. That's the craziest one of the
banshe I think of, which was crazy.
Speaker 3: Him and Michelle Gallagher, who was she they're both friends
and they shared this this weird UFO en counter. They
were swimming in the lake they saw this orange sphere
coming toward them. Russell said he went under the water,
which felt like only like thirty like thirty seconds if that,
and when he popped up, everybody was gone. And but
he's like it was like an hour. I'm like an
hour you're under the wall. How do you get how
do you go underwater for an hour? But he thinks
the missing time was some kind of an aduction experience there. So,
and here's the thing I joked with Michelle, I'm like, man,
I don't want to be in your friend group if
you didn't realize he was not missing because there was
not a lot of people with you guys, So there
was like four or five people and he's not there.
So but no, it was. It was amazing. And then
he popped up and said everybody was gone. Yeah, I
didn't know where he went, and he still doesn't know
to this day where that hour and a half went.
Speaker 2: The weirdest thing is I mean, that's sweet, but the
fact that the friends kind of just you know, dismissed
it as well, it reminded me vague and it's nowhere
nearest dramatic, but it reminded me vaguely of an experience
I had back in Sydney when I was doing still
my postgraduate work and UFO stuff.
Speaker 3: I went.
Speaker 2: I invited some friends to go on like a UFO
spotting kind of you know, evening with me to an
area in western Sydney where the Blue Mountains are, it's
called the Blue Mountains outside the kind of Penrith area,
And so we were up there all night, you know,
looking in the sky to see if we could see
UFOs because there were all these rumors about a UFO
base buried, you know, down in the valley and UFO
scene all the time. And we didn't see any UFOs.
But just as we were getting to leave, weirdest thing
there was all this very strange blue lightning type flashes
not lightning though, like just weird blue flashes in the
valley we were looking at and in the sky, and
you would think if people were out there looking for
the anomalous, they would have been like, what the earth,
what's this? And been and we're just like okay, let's go. Yeah,
And you hear stories at times sometimes people have these
experiences and something almost shuts off there the curiosity. Gland,
I don't know. And when I was watching your video,
which was a far more extreme case, you know, a
friend goes underwater and he's like, well he's gone, I
don't know, we're going home and he's like, what happened?
I don't know? Just to normalize something so strange. Is
that something you come across, because I know you're investigating
all the time. Is that something you you come across
occasionally or frequently people who just have a very strange
experience and just tend to normalize it or.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, that's that's a good question. Well, this was
one of the first ones that we did where there
was a case of missing time here. So this was
kind of new to me. And so you have to
treat these things like, well, look like a detective, would
you know, You've got to look around and say, well,
what was going on at the time, right, what was
going on, who were you with, what were you doing
at that time? Do you remember what time of day
it was, and just the general feelings that they had
at the time when they saw this thing. So, but
this was this was new and the next and now
the next UFO video that we're doing actually is UH.
We started shooting it today. I wanted to show you
this because today we shot with UH with a guy
who had an experience with UH with a UFO encounter
and it was none other than the King Elvis right there.
He's an Elvis impersonator, but he does you know, does shows.
But he was telling us about this incredible ufone character
he had over in our area. And now we're talking
to another guy who's a hypnotist in Doylestown, which is
an area town right down the street here, and he's
talking of we're going to talk with him about an
alien abduction case that he had with a woman and
we he might be able to talk with her too
and get her take on what happened. And also then
we're going to also talk to Bill Burns from UFO Hunters.
Talk to Bill and because Bill has got another case
of missing time that happened here in Bucks County. But
you know, and people for your listeners, I'm sure they
know who Bill Burns is. The man is amazing. Every
time I get together with Bill, and I'm so lucky
he's like our next door neighbor. Practically I get a
chance to talk with him, I learned something new all
the time, amazing stuff. So that's coming up in our
next video. We're going to be shooting that next week
and we'll probably have that out by the end of
the month, and that's going to be really cool. But yeah,
to your point, you know, when you look at these things,
you've got to really I don't know. For me, it's
something new. So I've got to look at this and say, Wow,
are these people really telling the truth here? What did
they really experience? Because I don't want to ever be
hurtful with anybody, you know, I don't want to ever
discount what they're they're feeling, because if they're having these
experiences and there, it's as real to them as you
and I are talking. Uh, you know that there's something
going on. You know, there's a there's a there's a
group in I think it's up in Massachusetts. Uh, and
it's on Facebook. It's called the Red Grid Group. There's
people that are waking up in the next the next morning,
going to bed, waking up the next morning and finding
these weird series of red dots on their bodies, like
in a grid formation. And and it's odd. I joined
this group because when I was a kid, I had
something similar to that on my forearm, which the doctor
thought and it looked like a fish net. It was
They called it fishnet rash, but the doctor thought, you know,
and it was similar to what these people have, and
it seriously looked like a fish net that was on
my on my forearm or when I was a kid
when I was younger, so that was something really wild,
and I thought there's something going on there too. I mean,
these people are having these crazy experiences that are tying
it in with UFO experiences at the same time. So yeah,
check that if you get a chance. Check that group out.
They're up in Massachusetts.
Speaker 2: Interesting.
Speaker 3: It's really fascinating stuff, and it's all, you know, the
very very truthful kinds of things that are going on
up there.
Speaker 2: There's a long history of people who have some type
of experience with the other or the anomalousts being left
physically marked. And obviously it's a big thing in alien
abduction law with scoop marks and implants, but throughout all
of history, people who had contact with supposedly the devil
or people who had contact with you know, other entities
are often supposedly left marked, which I do find I
do find fascinating that there might be some you know,
physical injury, you know, left over. And there's stories in
the UFO field about people being literally injured by.
Speaker 3: And literally dropped like Travis Walton dropped right from the
UFO onto the ground. Coral lignin in y dropped. So yeah,
all those guys, I mean all of these stories that
we've we've grown up with, you know, our generation, right,
it was in search of unsolved.
Speaker 2: In search of is still the greatest parent?
Speaker 3: The theme song alone man, you know.
Speaker 2: And I tell you that the music isn't and the
themes amazing, and also the creepy music they have, and
also that authoritative voice of Lenin Nimoy who ended up
taking over the show. I think originally they planned to
have they planned to have Who's the Twilight Zone Guy
Rod Serling. Some of the early movie versions have Surling
doing it. But speaking of music, it's a perfect segue,
and then we'll come back to what we're talking about.
We had a question from from squatch Mama, who says, okay,
rate the film School score? Didn't John Williams composed it?
That has to be epic?
Speaker 3: Is that was a ten out of ten for the
score because John Williams is my favorite, my favorite composer
bar none. I mean, he's just phenomenal. I mean, god,
the I'm still going at ninety four, ninety or ninety
six or whatever he is now. But yeah, no, it
was a great score, and you know you could tell
it was every time you hear a Williams score, you
know it's John Williams. He's got just got those the
certain strings and the horns and it all ties in together.
But yeah, it was really really great, and so yeah,
very very cool.
Speaker 2: John. John Williams is great and I'm a fan. So
and you're incredibly talented musician yourself, so you're far more
capable of reviewing somebody musically. What I will say, and
I think the score was fine, And what I will
say is I'm not left with any any hummable you know,
bars or hummable sequence from it, the way you are
with Close Encounters or ET. I don't know if you
can remember, Like right now, I'm thinking, yeah, the score
was there, the score was serviceable. I think it was good,
but I don't walk away like I don't have any
of those moments in my head.
Speaker 3: Now you don't, you don't. And it was that score
was pretty much a back ground type thing. They didn't
really embellish anything like they did with Close Encounters with
Us those five tones where the that's that's what we
grew up with. I mean, that's those five tones, right,
that was the whole thing in the movie. It was
they were speaking to us musically, you know, and it
was a beautiful thing. This the score was great, but yeah,
you don't have any hummable melodies to it, unfortunately, you know,
but it was it was a good backdrop score.
Speaker 2: You No, I think it was perfectly serviceable. And maybe
sometimes you need a score that doesn't draw ridiculous attention
to itself, and maybe you sometimes need one that you
and and in fairness to Close Encounters, those five tones,
they're at such a key part of the story. And
I think Spielberg also as much as I'm as Vlay
was disappointed as an adult with the as I mentioned before,
with the very literal final you know, sequence of final
scenes in Close Encounters. They they had that idea to
include the you know, the Disney you know, when you
wish upon a star kind of like it was just
it really was wing in a bottle that score. Obviously,
Spielberg was probably still either that or Rights, but certain
or Jaws probably made my three favorite Spielberg firs, but
certainly my favorite UFO movie. Right and Williams was just
I mean just obviously he wasn't ninety something then, he
was probably like forty something, so he would have been
at his creative peak, so he was.
Speaker 3: And he was also a jazz musician too, so he
like you, yeah, years earlier, he was a jazz musician.
So and I mean, god, John Williams has been around
for a long time and he was so connected with
such the people in the industry. But yeah, he was
a jazz musician beforehand. And then the thing with John
Williams is he could write scores. He was contracted to
write scores for TV shows, so he was, and then
Spielberg found him and then thirty I think this was
his thirtieth movie they've done together, you know, over the
course of his career. Yeah, so really cool stuff. But yeah,
you're right, there was nothing like that was lightning in
a bottle back then. It was just something that was
really like just cutting edge at that particular time, and
they were going with it, you know. And even at
the end with the alien and out close encounters with
the sign language too, which the tones meant the sign
language were that kind of like they were speaking in
those tones. So I like that fact of it. But this,
you know, you know, we're going back to it again.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's worth talking about a little more. I
think I actually have those tones in the sign language
on one of my favorite muscletops that I were in
the summer. But while we were with the film, there's
something else we didn't talk about, And I think this
is worth touching on because you have and the et
statue behind you reminded me of it, which is such
iconic creature, as were I think the ets in Close Encounters.
I had a flexible doll of that when I was
a kid, Like the closing a spooky look. There was
something about that, probably because it was a physical effect
that actually, even though they're not scary, creped me the
devil out when I was a child. Right, What did
you think about the way the Aliens were were visually
portrayed in this film?
Speaker 3: You know, like everything like everything else, I mean like
like they weren't even like like the Grays. I think
there's another movie that I think is like, probably so
much better than this as far as aliens go is.
Did you ever see that movie? No One Will Save You.
Have you seen that one yet?
Speaker 2: No, I'm aware of it. But is it good?
Speaker 3: Oh, it's really good. It's hardly any dialogue in the film,
but it's an interesting story. But those Grays that are
in that movie and the abduction and how they're interacting
with with the human race, Uh, is very very interesting
ureat that, But I would definitely put that on your
movie list.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 3: It's visually it's incredible too, sound effects wise incredible, it's uh,
it's got a lot of really great moments to it.
But yeah, the aliens you'd hear, I felt were like
very delicate. They were very like, you know, like the typical.
Speaker 2: Gray but origeneric right, Like, there wasn't anything memorable about them.
Speaker 3: Not really.
Speaker 2: I could probably go and buy like some plug the
FX plug in for after effects. That would dropping an
alien that looked like the aliens, And maybe that's the problem.
Maybe they'd gone to a practical model like they had
in etc. And they had in close encounters, there would
have been something special about them. But because they just
looked like another cgi gray alien, you don't walk away
going wow, that was an incredible those aliens in that movie.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's again that's what left me flat. That was like,
I think that's the probably the most part I was
most disappointed at.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Remember they had little girls, I think, like little little
female actresses, like little kids play the aliens. In most
Close Encounters, and so they're these delicate, funny little things
with these ridiculous, you know, kind of spooky outfit on.
But they there was something really like, oh my gosh,
they're real alien. He never think, oh, I'm really saying
in aliens like I'm saying some CGI.
Speaker 3: And I think the other thing too with that, with
Close Encounters too, was like they used a lot of
light diffusion, right, so you didn't you didn't really get
the chance to see them now really like up close.
But I think it's just that because it gives you
the illusion of that thing, which was really cool. And
then of course let's not forget at the end of
that movie that alien was created by Carlo Rambaldi, who
also created et you know, and so and that was
just and that was all man made. It wasn't even
like a CGI thing exactly. It's actually a man made thing.
So yeah, it just you know, I think with that
that movie just was in its you know, in a
class all its own.
Speaker 2: But yeah, that's one thing one of the things I
wish Spielberg would have done it maybe it didn't even
occur to him, was just to put his foot down
and go we're going practical effects for the ets in
this movie. Yeah, and then maybe I would have enjoyed
at least that pop war. So when I saw the
alien and I was like wow instead of like, oh
my gosh, this is just like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, anyway, you're like, what time is?
Speaker 2: Well I was. I mean, like I said, I think
my doing but with that, but because I know, I know,
we can't keep you too late tonight. What what are
the cases have you got coming up?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 2: Actually I saw you too when you were on like
it was a Fox channel down there for a whole
for a whole news segment, which was super cool that
you guys.
Speaker 3: Really yeah, oh, thank you so much for that. Yeah, No,
it was really cool. Uh yeah. A meteorologist Drew Anderson
in Philadelphia. He he loves what we're doing. And it
was on Fox twenty nine local and it was their
local app that it's a live app and he does
a show called Saturdays and he came all the way
up to Bucks County here and we just hung out
with him for the whole hour and talked about cases.
Dominic did a reading for the one guy that he
was with there at the other reporter Junior, and it
was it was great. So it's really great to be
able to connect with people like that that are in
the industry that are you know, pushing our you know
name forward because they enjoy what we're doing, because they
see that, you know, like you like myself, we're doing
these truth based investigations which are really important, and I
think it's people have to look at these things in
a very you know, a different type of light, you know,
rather than you know, are you know, people saying, are
we are people creating the paranormal themselves? But no, this
this is stuff that people are encountering, These things people
are experiencing. So we're just like you said, I'm not
shoving down beliefs down anybody's throat, but it's just kind
of like, this is what we're seeing, guys, this is
what we're capturing on video. You decide what it is,
you know. But again, it's stuff that you just can't
you can't write this stuff. It just happens.
Speaker 2: And people who I've got the link in the show notes,
but it's easy to find on YouTube. You just paunch
in Eric Mintel Investigates or just go to the show
notes wherever you're watching or listening this and you talked
about Dominic a little bit. It always fascinates me when
he's there to you know, because his psyche, he can
do these kind of of you know, ratings or impressions,
and how does he react when you do the more
UFO stuff, like when he's involved in that, how what
what kind of takeaways does he does?
Speaker 3: He give you a little bit out of his wheelhouse,
but he will definitely tune in on, you know, the
the spiritual aspects of these things of people that are
again connected to the spirit world or to the UFO world.
And again it could be a generational thing too, so
he might be looking down the line at generation after generation.
Are they having these UFO experiences, you know, over the
course of their lifetime. So to get his perspective on
the UFO situation, it's cool too because we're getting one
aspect from you know, one report from somebody, but then
he's reading into it like what is that particular person
got in their own personal lives that's making them, you know,
be attuned to this type of energy, you know. And again,
at the end of the day, we're all energy. It's
all about these frequencies that we're on and maybe that's
the maybe that's the whole thing that connects everything, is
these frequencies. And that's again why Spielberg had those tones
in in close encounters, the musical aspects of this thing,
you know, speaking in a musical language, which was I
thought was so cool. There's an Indian uh. There's an
Indian uh tabla artist. He's a drummer, and just I
mean just the rhythms that this guy's got, it's incredible.
There are like very intricate, mathematical type of rhythms. And
I'm thinking to myself, maybe one day and he with
the way he's doing these, he goes like that, and
I'm thinking of myself, one day, what if we have
a language like that, you know, where we're speaking in rhythms,
you know, and not even like vocals anymore. We're speaking
in these tones or in these particular rhythms. Because you know,
as Dave Brubeck, my my mentor in ja As said,
you know, we're all tied together by one thing, the heartbeat.
It's something that you the first time you hear your
mother's heartbeat, and it's the last thing you hear before
you die. But it's one of these things that everybody
is maybe connected with this heartbeat and that rhythm is
the universal language, not melody, but rhythm. We could all
feel that rhythm. So I think having those kind of
musical tones and that was really cool. And I think
that's another aspect of the paranormal, you know. Could it
be that we're on these people are on these different
wavelengths and experiencing all of these different you know, dynamics.
And that's what I find fascinating about the whole just
the whole paranormal genre in general. It's like we're all
trying to find the truth to that, but everybody's having
It's like a snowflake. Everybody's having these different experiences. They're
not all the same.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting you bring up music. Somebody else said here,
math is music, and math is the way that music
is the language in close encounters. Math is the language
in Disclosure Day. I have a very good friend of mine,
Doug Skinner, who you really like, is an incredibly talented
musician as well. He's based out of upstate New York now,
but he wrote a wonderful book, Music from Elsewhere where
he actually was able to and he's got an accompanying
album on band camp. With music which was supposedly written
by people you know, communicating with the dead, or the
music the fair he's made, or you know, music from
the sky people. It's fascinating. So I do think you're
onto something with the music thing just quickly too. When
you were talking that it was something that just flashed
into my head for some reason. And this might be
might be one of the reasons this movie doesn't resonate
the way Close Encounters did. Keep I can't leave Disclosure
Day alone for some reason. But RELs, I think it
was still a mystery, right, Like when Close Encounters came
out in the seventies, there wasn't really this There wasn't
this general consensus to a yourphological mythology there the way
there was from the late seventies through the eighties into
the nineties. But so so when Spielberg makes that film,
it's still a mystery, what is this? Right, But when
Spielberg makes Disclosure Day, it's a given. Oh, everybody knows
the Roswell story, everybody knows about alien productions. Everybody knows
during parenthesis that the government knows everything and is keeping
all the secrets. So here, all he's left to do
is just to say the mythology is all correct, and
oh it's a wonderful day. Finally the secret's a released. Well,
Close Encounters is at an experiential level for the UFO witness,
you're kind of you're traveling through them finding out what
this revelationary thing's going to be. So I think in
the seventies there was more space to make a movie
that dealt with it, perhaps in a more interesting way. Today,
perhaps that's what this movie is, the proof of there's
no space anymore to deal with this. It hasn't been
done one hundred times.
Speaker 3: I totally agree. I totally agree. You know, you're talking
about the maths music. You know, here's the other thing too.
I've never really had any type of lessons. I had
maybe one year's worth of lessons, So you know, I
could just sit down and play. I could hear something
play and I don't really read music that well either,
but to sit down and play. So you could say
that maybe is a paranormal aspect of this, and why
I love the combination of jazz and paranormal because we
do some things sometimes that I don't even know where
it came from. You know, it's amazing so the two
things are really interconnected there, and come to find out
later there are a lot of musicians that have had
UFO encounters and that are all like you know, that
have had these experiences, which is really fascinating.
Speaker 2: That is fascinating. A good friend of mine and a
friend of the show who's been on a number of
times in the past, Horace Smith, who's professor Emmeris of
astronomy and physics at Michigan State University, just reminded us
that the famous astronomy kepler also calculated the music of
the spheres. Absolutely, this connection with music and science. Yeah, somehow,
I'm just wondering quickly because I know we're almost out
of time. We've got to another question from squatch Mama.
How does a movie compare to Close Encounters? The movie
left me eye wide with wonder Well, I think we've
kind of touched on that right, Like I great, Close
Encounters isn't a phenomenal movie which leaves you I think,
you know, Iwid, As you said squatch MoMA, I think
this one, at least for me, Eric, because I already
knew the whole story, I just hadn't seen it put
together this way by Spielberg. There's nothing new in there
that's going to hit you with wonder this, you know.
Speaker 3: No, no, not at all. Yeah, now, And I think
just the thing is, we just got to keep going
with our own research going, and you know, going with
our gut, you know, and really what is going on
out there, and really having you know, we're getting these experiences.
Here's the other thing too, we're both of us, you
and I both are those guys that are boots on
the ground. We're going to the site. We're going to
those locations. We're not doing the research behind the computer.
We're there. I mean, I've been. I always tell people
in my presentations that I have. There's two things. One
of seeing a video and then actually being on site
where that video occurred. And it was this restaurant in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania,
where on the video you see a chair bolt out
from the table, you know, like this paranormal energy, right,
But there's a there's a wall there too, So you
could say, looking at the video, there was a guy
behind the wall pushing this chair out. But now when
we got on site, that was not the case at all,
because I looked, I went right to that wall. There's
no way it could have been anybody there because there
was a lower wall that was there and it went
back and I there was a table there as well,
so you could we did an experiment. I stood there
and there was no way you could be not on
the security camera, so that was really cool. And then
there was an orbit that came over into that same
thing and threw sugar container packet, which was crazy. So
you know, you can't really you can't really say it
looking at a video that and then debunk it. You
have to be on site. And that was incredible. Same
thing with Elcorn which we talked about as well, and
a lot of these other things. So going to these
locations I think is really important. So we've got a
lot of videos coming up where we're actually I mean
we are always on site. But we've got a bigfoot
video coming up next month that we're doing Bigfoot in
the Pocono's. We're also doing another video about UFO's Bucks
County and another UFO video about UFOs in the Lord's
Valley of the Poconos in near Stroudsburg, which there's been
a lot of sightings and people are getting a lot
of video footage. But this Bigfoot video that we're gonna
be doing in next month. I've gotten a lot of
people that are saying that a lot of testimony from
people from just today. I put out a thing about,
you know, doing this video, and everybody came out with
some sightings that they've had, and even a lot of
a police officer who also is a bigfoot researcher has
some reports that he's going to share with me as well.
So it's interesting time to be in Dean. I mean,
we're gonna great period. Our business is couldn't even be
could not be better in the paranormal world.
Speaker 2: Man, you do such incredible stuff. I love Eric Minto Investigations.
It always so anentertaining and appreciate that. No, just great.
I've got the links again where people can watch that,
or the link where they can watch I've also got
a link to your Amazon saw it in the show
notes where people can go and get your wonderful books.
But is there anything you want to point people at
or anything else you want to.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they could go onto my website too. It's Ericmantelinvestigates
dot org and we have a big paranormal convention. If
some of your listeners are out here in Pennsylvania. We've
got a paranormal convention happening on October fourth, first annual
Pocono Para con at the Sherman Theater in Strausburg, Pennsylvania.
That's gonna be from twelve to six. We've got speakers.
We've got Tom Carey's going to be speaking there about
Roswell death, deathbed confessions. We have a Gene Stico. I
don't know if you've interviewed him yet, Dean great guy
to talk to. His wife Jane is very high up
military guy. Was he's retired now in desert Storm, the
Gulf War. His wife Natalia, her father was a physicist
and never really knew what he did. She never knew
what he did most of his life. Well, turns out
he had passed away. He sent her a whole packet
of information. Turns out they open it up and here
are plans and blueprints and everything. He was reverse engineering
UFOs for the Russian government. Good grief, and it was
just amazing. Man. So they're gonna be speaking Dominic and
I are gonna be there. We've got Mike Famelin who
is talking about Bigfoot and he has a great presentation
and my buddy Jim Kruge is talking about crop circles,
so really interesting things. So yeah, it's gonna be cool.
Oh that was another thing, Dean. What about what was
up with the crop circle? Nothing was even my thing
was even like talked about.
Speaker 2: You know what was up with the crop circle. I'll
tell you right now. It was a great trailer moment.
So they just threw it in like he doesn't even difference.
He's on the phone and the crop circles around him.
It just happens, you know what. It looked great in
the trailer, and so they were that. I guarantee it
was a trailer moment.
Speaker 3: You're totally right. I just that just came to me right.
Speaker 2: Now, I believing. I'm glad you brought it up because
I wanted to mention it. I would have forgotten it.
But man, it was so great talking to you Eric.
It all always is you.
Speaker 3: Too, Dean. Dean. I gotta tell you, man, thank you.
I seriously thank you so much. You are one of
those guys man that really takes us in your interest
in what we're doing and vice versa, where I'm very
grateful to know you as a friend and to have
us on here, thank you so much, and we got
to make it more than every six months.
Speaker 2: I totally agree, and hopefully you and I will talk
sooner than the next six months. But until you and
I chat again again sooner the next six months, and
until I talked to everybody else out there, which will
be same weird time nine pm Central Thursday night, same
weird network, and the untold Radio network. Please keep it weird.
Speaker 3: T