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basically states that just because you wouldn't buy something, don't

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think for a second that there's not someone out there

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who would because or I should say who wouldn't. That's

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because just because you wouldn't do something, that doesn't mean

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that there are another people who would just jump with

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the opportunity to do what you refuse to do. What

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I'm getting at here tonight is one of the things

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we're gonna talk about with tonight's guest Jack, is something

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he did years ago, basically taunting skin walkers into revealing

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themselves to him. Just because he would do that, or

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just because you wouldn't do that, I should say, that

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doesn't mean that someone out there wouldn't do that. So

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please keep that in mind whenever you're listening to shows.

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Just because a guest comes on and talks about doing

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something that you wouldn't do, don't be so harsh on

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them because just like I said, just because you wouldn't

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do it, that doesn't mean that they wouldn't, and it

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doesn't mean that not being truthful when they say that

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they would. All right, now, enough of my speech there,

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I can get off my soapbox. Let's bring tonight's guest.

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On Tonight's Guests, wish is tommain Anonymous. With that in mind,

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I'm just gonna call him Jack. Jack Welcome to the show. Hey, Beck,

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thanks so much for being here. We appreciate your time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just kind of crazy how this all kind

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of happens, you know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, never a dull moment, that's for sure. Everybody understand

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Jack is nervous, like almost everybody who comes on this

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show is. I found its best just to put that

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out there so that everyone listening knows. I've had people

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come on dog Me in the Counties who have their

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own podcasts who are so nervous you could almost hear

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them shake. So like I told you before, Jack, that

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doesn't make you any difference from anyone else. It really doesn't.

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So please keep that in mind. Well, Jack, haven't said

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all that. Please give us a brief bio in yourself.

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Speaker 1: Oh on twenty five, moved to Henderson County, Texas from

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the you in a basin up in northeastern Utah, up

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by uh Roosevelt and Bernal area. If anybody knows where

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that's at. I I've got a little farm. I work

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in the oil field. I work over in West Texas. Uh.

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You know. It's when I was a kid. I used

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to do stupid stuff. Still kind of do when I

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go back home.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's what being a kid's all about. So

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we can't take you to task for any of that. Yeah, yeah,

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that's no big deal. That's just part of it. Jack

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used to live and this blows my mind. Used to

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lived just one mile from Skinwalker Ranch. How long did

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you live there in? What was it like living there?

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Speaker 1: How? When I lived there, I lived there for about

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three years. But the house I lived in, I was

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I was continuously going to because it was my grandma's house.

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So just because I lived there for three years doesn't

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mean like I haven't been there constantly, because I really have.

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I've I've been at that house for almost my whole

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entire life.

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Speaker 2: Basically, I've only seen the place on TV shows, so

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I can't say I've ever been close to the place,

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but it really looks awfully creepy with her house being

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that close to it just a mile away. Was the

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area where she lived creepy too? Or did it seem normal?

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. Growing up over there and

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just around the whole entire area, it was, it was

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all just it all just looked like farm land, you know,

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look like farmland. Some weird things would happen. You would

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see some weird things and just kind of go on

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm sure she was used to it, but I

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don't know how I could ever get used to that.

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That's something else, and you talked about something else that

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blows my mind. I just can't wrap my mind around.

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Back then, you actually used to taunt skin walkers to

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try to get them to reveal themselves to you. And

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there's a story behind that, quite a bit of a story.

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Please share it with us now.

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Speaker 1: Well, So, growing up, we would we would see things,

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and we would constantly just not It wasn't ever like

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night after night or day after day that we would

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see things or anything like that. But it got to

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a point where I was like, you know what, I'm

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I'm just gonna go find it. I'm gonna go see

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what I can't find, see if I can't like invoke anything,

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a skinwalker and having a medicine man come in. Yeah,

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it was kind of crazy because we wouldn't just see

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things on Skinwalker Ranch when we would get onto the ranch,

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when we would sneak onto it or anything. I'm not

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advocating for anybody trespassing or anything like that. It was

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a stupid thing to do as a kid, stupid thing

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to do now. I wouldn't do it now, But yeah,

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the whole entire activity out there with that type of

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stuff everywhere though everybody thinks it's just Skinwalker Ranch, but

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it was the surrounding area, so we would see things

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not on Skinwalker Ranch. So eventually I got me and

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two of my buddies had gotten to a point of like,

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let's just go see if we can't find it. We'd

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gone onto the ranch, we found weird things up in

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the mountains. We'd seen plenty of weird, strange orbs.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, something that blows my mind, possibly even more is

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you would sit down with Native Americans to try to

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pick their brains on this whole skin walk or phenomenon,

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and they would warn you to stay away from certain

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places and what did you do?

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Speaker 1: Oh, I did not stay away. Me and my buddies

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would go out and in high school, we'd go out

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find the places that they were talking about, and we

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would we would literally just try to conjure up whatever

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was was there, whatever the focal point was there, to

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try to see or interact. And between saying the word skinwalker,

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like a lot of people say that that word has

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so many so much power to it because it can

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draw them to you to where it's it's like a

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magnet to them. But you know, we we didn't care.

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We would say it out loud, We wouldn't we wouldn't mind.

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We would take rocks from the one the one canyon,

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Dark Canyon. We would take rocks from dark Canyon. Uh

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randomly finding stuff like black arrowheads in our in my

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yard and in my buddy's front yard. We had found

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black arrowheads and the utes had told us don't touch those,

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don't don't interact with them. In a couple of days

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it will be gone. Make sure everybody knows not to

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touch them. And with like my mom growing up there,

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she automatically knew that you just don't touch them. A

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random black arrowhead that just popped up randomly onto your

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property that you knew wasn't there beforehand, you don't mess

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with it. So everybody in my family kind of already

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knew not to mess with.

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Speaker 2: It, but you did, though, there's always that one family member.

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Something that also really blew me away is you told

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me that you would go to caves where you knew

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there was cave art, and then you would do something

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that just I couldn't wrap my mind around why you

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do that? Oh?

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Speaker 1: Oh, just like when I was basically just chit chatting

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to the cave art and the petroglyphs and all that,

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just having a hard day, go out and talk to it,

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talk around it, just invent and everything. Yeah, I don't

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know it. Being outside has always just been the place

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for me. So finding somewhere that, like I know these

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people have been, I don't know, it's something that I

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found solace in. I don't know if that's helped my

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case anybody you know, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well it's hard to say. Maybe it did help your case,

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It's really hard to know. All right there, Jack, Please

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tell us about your encounter. Now, give us everal last

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detail it comes to mind.

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Speaker 1: So we had just gotten the boys to finally go

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to sleep, and it was it was a first actual

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big storm I've been able to experience.

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Speaker 2: I've hey, not did Rep Jack, but please go back

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further than that and tell us about moving to the

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police where this will happen.

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Speaker 1: Oh, moving, okay. So after so moving on moving in

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New Year's morning, we got to the house January first

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of this year, and and uh, you know, we going

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through just packing everything from trailers to the house and

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everything that we didn't have. Anything weird happened. Then we

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but a couple of days after just walking down the

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property line and everything, we I'd seen some shadows, some

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taller shadows kind of walking and running and just big

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old footsteps going through the trees. And I was like, huh, weird. Okay,

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I know there's hogs out here. I haven't had any

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experience with hogs, but I'm pretty sure they don't. They

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don't sit up that high if you see them moving around,

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you know. And that that had happened a couple of

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times just walking my property, we me and my wife

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would have would notice it, notice the footstep and all that.

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Nothing nothing really big up until the encounter like this

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was just slight. Maybe it was it, maybe it wasn't.

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I'm I'm not going to tell you it was, but

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I definitely won't tell you that it wasn't, you know.

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And so as we've lived here, there's been quite a

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bit of pretty good rainstorms and thunderstorms, lightning storms, just

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something absolutely completely different compared to what I had grown

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up with, because in Utah you don't get that much

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crazy storms. So throughout the whole entire time that we've

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lived here in Texas, every time we've had a storm

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at the house, it was I was at my rig,

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my drilling rig that I work on over in West

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Texas where it's dry, and my wife would call me

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and tell me, Hey, this storm is absolutely crazy. I

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really wish you could be here to experience it, and

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a lot I haven't. I've only experienced one one storm

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over in East Texas now, and that was a storm

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with the encounter and uh, well it it definitely it was.

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It was a good storm and everything like it definitely

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wasn't anything I'd ever experienced. So I we had gotten

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the kids to bed and finally a sleep if it

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was about ten thirty ish we go out, we're just

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enjoying the sound of the whole entire storm, and because

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on our back porch it's covered with a tin roof,

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and we sat in our swing, our porch swing, and

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just it was bliss up until like looking out in

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the field and everything, just enjoying everything, enjoying the company

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with my wife, you know. And as we're looking at

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the field, I notice something pacing my back tree line

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of the field. And I'm sitting here. I'm like, I

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really don't know what it is. I stand up to

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try to get an even better vantage point, even though

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it's not much of a difference for what I'll see,

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and I asked my wife to to just stand up

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and see if she could see it, because I guess

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when she was sitting down on the on the swing,

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she couldn't see it. This is what she had told me.

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And then so I walked over where my car port is.

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My car port sits about a quarter of the length

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of my back porch and it's connected to my back

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porch and it goes closest from the port swing. What

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in the car port was my wife's car. And then

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in the next spot for parking is my truck, and

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I walked in between the vehicles and I sat here

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looking at it at this just as it looked like

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a gray mass pacing back and forth on my tree line,

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on the back tree line, and I could see it

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clear now, I could really see it, just a mass

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itself when the lightning was slashing and everything. And I

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had bugs my wife enough to get her to come

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over and stand next to me and look at this.

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And she's like, I really, I really don't know what

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that is. And I tell her, Okay, stay here. I'm

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gonna go get my binoculars and come back and see.

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And as it's doing this, and I leave. When I

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get back, my wife tells me, well, it's standing over

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by the corner post on the far left on the

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back of the property. Okay, so I'm looking there, but

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I don't know if it was due to the rain

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or anything else. But all I could see there was

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again a gray mass and its head sat above that

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corner post. And that corner post is five feet out

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of the ground. And I'm sitting here thinking, I don't

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know what the thinge could be. And it went back

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to its pacing from except for the hole instead of

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the whole tree line. It went from that corner post

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to a tree that sticks out side of the tree line,

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and as we're watching it, it is just continues pacing

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like for I don't know, two three, five minutes. I

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really don't know. I wasn't paying any tention to time wise,

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and it stops and starts darting in and out of

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the tree line, kind of closer to that tree that

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sticks out of the tree line. And we're sitting here wondering, Okay,

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we I don't know what this is. I don't know

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anything that moves around actively during a rainstorm, especially one

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this bad. And it was weird because it had done

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its darting in and out of the trees for a minute,

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and I I couldn't see it. After that, we didn't

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see it. We looked for it. We sat there for

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a while trying to find this thing, trying to see

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where it was. And my wife she says, hey, there's

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something crawling back behind our our garden boxes. The garden

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boxes they're they're about a quarter of the way down

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to our field. And I'm thinking, okay, and I finally

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see it and it is.

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Speaker 2: This.

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Speaker 1: It looked like almost how would you say oh, say,

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a guy crawling on hands and knees is what it

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looked like. But it had the wolf head like a

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dog head, and it was great. We could see it.

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It was a lot closer now, and we back up.

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My wife goes inside. She wrestles, she just she literally

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more not even really rushes, but ran inside. And as

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I'm seeing this still it's getting closer. It gets to

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where it's kind of harder to see it now because

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the truck's kind of in the way, but I can

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still see part of it. And I slowly back up,

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walk around my wife's car and get into the passenger door,

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trying to keep my eye on the scene in which

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the truck's in the way now so I can't see it.

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And I grab my nind that we were keeping in

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the car, and as I'm walking around the car again

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in the truck just to see on what the sing

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is because it didn't feel right. It felt predatory. When

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I had seen it without my wife's there, it felt

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very predatorial.

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Speaker 2: And.

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Speaker 1: When I had seen it, it had seen me. As

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I'm walking around the cars and I'm pointing my gun

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at it, and it stands up and where it was

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where it had stood up. I had took my range

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finder and found out that it was almost exactly thirty

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five yards away, and it sat where it sat. It

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was very much, at the very least eight feet tall,

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and we had a stare down basically, and it's It

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was absolutely horrifying because comparing it to my encounters with skinwalkers,

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this thing was.

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Speaker 2: Here.

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Speaker 1: It was flesh and blood. It wasn't anything from any

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of the legends I've ever heard, besides from me listening

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to your podcast. This, this is it. This is exactly

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well I thought might not have ever been real. And

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I am terrified now. And I take a step back

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and it takes a step back, and it continues to

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mirror my movements. And as it's doing this, I'm just

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waiting and hoping that I'll be to my back door soon.

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And it's like one of those moments where it phil's

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like it takes forever, like time stop while you're doing this.

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While I was doing this, and when I got to

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the door, I reached over, not keeping my eyes off

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of it, opened the door, pushed it slightly. As soon

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as I knew that door was open, I started inside,

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got it, locked it, and locked everything down in the house.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, after you locked everything down, what did you do? Then?

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Speaker 1: I sat with my wife and I I was breaking terrified.

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I couldn't sleep for the rest of the night because

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just the thought of it trying to find a way

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in for me, my wife, or my two boys. It

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was it was absolutely terrified.

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Speaker 2: You know, Oh, I'm sure it was. Like we talked

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about in our first conversation though, the whole idea about

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going around making sure the doors are locked and all

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the windows are locked. When it comes to these things

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and you know one's outside, that's folly. You didn't know that,

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and you can't be blamed for doing that. It's natural

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that you would run around the house with your hair

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on fire trying to make sure everything was locked up.

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But like we talked about, if I think really wanted you,

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your wife, your kids, there's not a door that could

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stop it, there's not a window that could stop it,

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and there's not a wall that was in your house

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that could stop it. But like we went over, the

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fact that you're all here is a testament to the

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fact that it didn't want to harm you. So please

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keep that in mind when you were having that stare

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down with it. What was your wife doing because she

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wasn't with you, then.

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Speaker 1: I have no idea. My guess is she was when

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I when I got into the house, she was like

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a little scared little girl that had just watched a

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horrifying movie. She was in our bed, blankets her head terrified. So, yeah,

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she doesn't really like talking about it because she kind

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of blames me for all the weird and creepy things

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that we've experienced, in which I don't blame her, you know.

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It's Oh, I'm willing to guarantee even like me messing

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around with skin walkers and everything is one of the

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reasons on why this thing had came out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny you mentioned that because I was about

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to ask you if you thought what you did in

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Utah had anything to do with this encounter.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it might have. In all honesty, it

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might have.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's definitely possible. It really is. When you're having

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that steer down with it, how sure were you that

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you were going to die at any moment?

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Speaker 1: I wasn't sure, Like I didn't know if my nine

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would stop it, or if it would slow it, or

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if it would give me a chance to be able

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to try to get inside. It was basically at that

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point just a comfort in my hands because I didn't

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know on what it would do to that thing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's understandable. When you first saw it, Jack, you

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said that it was pacing back and forth at the

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tree line back behind your property. How far was it

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though from.

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Speaker 1: You from that point when we were on the porch swing. Oh,

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I'd say probably, I want to say a hundred seventy

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five yards. Maybe not too far. It's not too big

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of a field. It's only a one acre fill, but yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: That's a pretty good distance. When it started darting in

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and out of the tree line, did it look to

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you like it was interacting with anything back there or

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just darting for no apparent reason?

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Speaker 1: Do you know? I kind of quit asking myself that

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because I can't wrap my head as to why it

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was doing it, And that's I still wonder, but you

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know it, it's I have no answer to that one,

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because that's also a question that I had, WHOA why

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was it darting? You know?

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Speaker 2: Well, they do some strange things that DEFAIA an easy explanation.

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I guess that dog means the only one that's going

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to understand and know why it was doing that. That's

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anyone's yes though, Yeah, I know when it got closer

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it did. But did any time when it was back

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there at the tree line, did it ever give any

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indication that it knew that you were there watching it?

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Speaker 1: See? I think it might have seen us when it

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was just standing by the corner fence post, that back

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corner fence post. I think I think that's when it

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was maybe watching us. It's hard. It's hard for me

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to say it though, because I have horrible vision and

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with the binoculars it was still all just a mass.

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But my guess would be that that it was watching

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us watching it when it was just standing by the

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fence post.

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Speaker 2: I see, Thanks for clearing that up for me. Did

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your wife have a hard time coming to terms with

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that experience or you said the she doesn't like to

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talk about it. Is that just her compensation device for

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dealing with an experience that she hasn't gotten over. Where's

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her mind at with all this?

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Speaker 1: Well, so she just wants for the weird, paranormal, cryptid

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type of stuff to stop. And so when she's kind

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of thinking about it, like when we were in Utah,

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if she didn't feed into it. She wouldn't be the

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one that it was really kind of targeting, you know,

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and that's just been her mindset about it.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, well I doubt she's ever going to take

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me up on the offer, but please do make sure

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she knows if she ever liked to talk about that experience,

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then I'll be there for always, will.

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Speaker 1: I will?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely. How about you now that this is in

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the rear view, I'm still kind of conflicted on this.

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How well you're dealing with that encounter. Are you to

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the point now where you can head outside at night

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without too many troubles or are you still having trouble

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going out after dark?

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Speaker 1: So I'll still go out and walk my property line

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and everything, like, it's not a big deal to me.

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Like if I see something though in the trees, like

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any large shadows moving around, I'll I'll make it very

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clear that I am going inside. I won't rush or

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run or anything like that. I'll keep it my normal

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pace just because if it's if it is there, I

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don't I don't want to to enact any predatorial chase

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type of thing with it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good idea. If you run your prey,

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So it's good, and you know that I'm still a

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little unsure about this. I shouldn't be, but I am.

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You told me that your wife doesn't want to talk

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about the encounter. But does she just not want to

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talk with me about it, or does she refuse to

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talk with you even about it?

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Speaker 1: So she doesn't even really talk to me about like

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with the stuff up in Utah. So it's it's not

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really anything new to me that she doesn't like to

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talk about it or doesn't want to talk about it.

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Like I've asked her on what her thoughts are and

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she says, just don't don't worry about it. Just don't

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mess with it, don't feed into it, you know. Hmm.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, sounds like she is pretty shook up then. Still, yeah,

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that's understandable. Did the people that you bought that house

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from ever give you any warnings or any inklings about

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strange things that might have happened there?

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Speaker 1: Uh? No, we actually so when we bought the house,

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we we never actually met the sellers, Like we we

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did a whole entire FaceTime walked through and everything, and

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they had decided, yeah, let's buy the house, and so

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we never met the sellers. We never talked to them directly,

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like through my my real estate agent. I guess we

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had talked through to him, but no, we we hadn't. Uh,

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we hadn't had any actual contact with the sellers of

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our house. But we did find out from my one

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neighbor that the previous owners the sellers were Indians. So

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I don't know it. It might be a connection, it

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might not, you know it just because of the whole

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entire skinwalker thing. I think it might be, but it

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might not be.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's hard to say. That's anyone's guess. What's the

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story with that forest back behind your property? Is it

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a big forest or a thin belt? What's the story

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with it?

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Speaker 1: Oh, so there's ten acres back behind my property and

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it is No one uses it, so it's kind of

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just there. And then behind that property line, it's owned

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by the city and it's all it's just continuous force throughout,

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owned by the city of Athens.

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Speaker 2: So it's yeah, so there are belts of trees that

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lead from it to other places where it could come

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and go from other areas without being seen.

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Speaker 1: Then oh very easily, yes, very very easily.

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Speaker 2: Huh. I see, well that does make it more inviting

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for it. That's a given. Anyone listening in the live chat,

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if you have any questions you want me to ask Jack,

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please type it in all caps. That way I won't

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miss it. And if you do that, then I'll be

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happy to ask that question. As far as that medicine

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man goes that you told us about that had to

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bail you out after you did things that apparently caught

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the attention of at least one skin walker, you told

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us that you were paying the price for doing that.

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To what extent though, what were you going through?

477
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 1: Uh? During that time we were we would start so yeah,

478
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:16,480
where we lived there was the tribe and we weren't

479
00:36:16,519 --> 00:36:20,800
too far away from uh Fort Duchane or Ayming, but

480
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:26,920
and they would do practice sessions for powows and everything

481
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:30,760
like that with the drums and all that. But there

482
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:35,039
wasn't any powows going on. We would hear in the

483
00:36:35,079 --> 00:36:38,199
middle of the night, like woking up to as if

484
00:36:38,199 --> 00:36:44,800
it was war drums right outside my bedroom window. And

485
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:49,639
my neighbor at the time had complained about it, saying

486
00:36:49,639 --> 00:36:52,599
that I was building something in the middle of the night.

487
00:36:52,639 --> 00:36:56,920
I was like, no, that is drums that we are hearing. Also,

488
00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:02,039
we don't know what the hell it is. It's weird.

489
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:08,960
And then we would hear things scraping across the side

490
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:12,599
of the house on the outside, and everything like that.

491
00:37:14,559 --> 00:37:19,119
Me and my wife had seen. So at the time,

492
00:37:19,559 --> 00:37:24,320
my youngest was I want to stay one and he

493
00:37:25,079 --> 00:37:28,239
was still having a hard time just sleeping in his

494
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:32,480
own room and everything. So my wife had woken up

495
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:39,320
to him crying and having a nightmare. And when she'd

496
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:42,199
walked out of our room, when you walked out of

497
00:37:42,199 --> 00:37:44,719
our room in that house, it was the family room,

498
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,159
the kitchen, in the dining room, and it was all open,

499
00:37:48,039 --> 00:37:50,159
and in the dining room there was a back door

500
00:37:50,199 --> 00:37:53,760
and it was a sliding door, and she said she

501
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:57,760
had looked over there and there was a silhouette of

502
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:04,400
an Indian with what looked to be the old bone

503
00:38:04,519 --> 00:38:11,599
armor type of shirt thing. And even then she had

504
00:38:11,639 --> 00:38:16,519
told me and then that was it. She didn't want

505
00:38:16,559 --> 00:38:20,679
to talk about it ever again. With that also, I

506
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:27,280
had seen it too, and it got to where we

507
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:33,800
were starting to have a really like she would get

508
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:37,880
mad over nothing, and I would get mad over nothing,

509
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:42,360
and we would start arguing, and then we would realize

510
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:46,679
we don't even know what in the heck court arguing about?

511
00:38:47,079 --> 00:38:54,480
And we stop, we'd stop, and then it was like, hey,

512
00:38:56,159 --> 00:38:59,599
we don't know where this anger came from, you know

513
00:39:03,079 --> 00:39:08,239
well and yeah, yeah, how.

514
00:39:08,159 --> 00:39:11,199
Speaker 2: Much of an effect did that medicines man work have

515
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:13,760
on all those things you're dealing with?

516
00:39:15,559 --> 00:39:22,320
Speaker 1: Uh? Well, it took a lot of time for the

517
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:26,239
things to like slowly peter out. And he told us

518
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:30,679
I would with them with me being marked. It's not

519
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:36,519
a surefire. Hey, you're good to go. It's it takes

520
00:39:36,599 --> 00:39:40,719
time and a lot of saving and smudging the house.

521
00:39:42,159 --> 00:39:49,920
And uh, like I'd started leaving my shoes outside before

522
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:53,239
I'd walk into the door. I would take my shoes

523
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:56,039
off and I'd leave them outside. Even if it rained,

524
00:39:56,039 --> 00:40:03,760
I would leave them outside. I wouldn't. Yeah, I've started

525
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:08,280
following everything that he had told me of the things

526
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:11,599
to do if I'm going to continue down that road

527
00:40:11,639 --> 00:40:15,000
of going and looking for these things. And that was

528
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:20,960
definitely one of them of after you go looking for

529
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:24,639
these they might not show themselves to you, but that

530
00:40:24,639 --> 00:40:29,039
doesn't mean that they're not there, so you should. Definitely,

531
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:35,159
his reasoning was that they try to follow the footsteps

532
00:40:35,519 --> 00:40:38,519
of whatever souls they know that you have on currently.

533
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:42,119
So your barefoot you're kind of as a well.

534
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:48,199
Speaker 2: So how were you able to convince him to help

535
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:51,559
you in the first place, because most medicine men, I

536
00:40:51,599 --> 00:40:54,400
don't think they would be all that easy to sway

537
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:55,800
you to do that to help you out.

538
00:40:57,199 --> 00:40:58,320
Speaker 1: I knew him personally.

539
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:03,320
Speaker 2: Oh that's right, you did say that, that's right.

540
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:08,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, I knew him personally. He was one of my

541
00:41:09,159 --> 00:41:15,519
native friends, grandpa's, and he I'd met him so many times,

542
00:41:15,559 --> 00:41:20,039
even before I was friends with my name my one

543
00:41:20,039 --> 00:41:27,320
of my native buddies. And yeah, he he he. I

544
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:30,440
didn't even really reach out, is what it was. And

545
00:41:32,039 --> 00:41:38,239
I was byes ing with my buddy and his grandpa

546
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:42,519
had came over and he had noticed that. I don't

547
00:41:42,559 --> 00:41:46,000
know exactly what he had noticed, but that is when

548
00:41:46,039 --> 00:41:48,119
he said that, like you.

549
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 3: Have.

550
00:41:51,079 --> 00:41:56,800
Speaker 1: He didn't say aura, but that's like basically the equivalents

551
00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:01,119
of what he was meaning, you have this that attracts

552
00:42:01,159 --> 00:42:06,239
these things, whether it's good or bad.

553
00:42:06,639 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's definitely not the kind of news you

554
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:12,440
want to hear.

555
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 1: I mean, you were me and you were going out

556
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:23,920
and looking for these things. It kind of made sense

557
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:29,760
on why you you would be so not successful but

558
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:34,679
able to find them.

559
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:39,199
Speaker 2: From what he told you, did he give the impression

560
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:41,920
that he thought you had that aura around you because

561
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:43,960
of all the things you did to try and taunt

562
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:47,480
them into revealing themselves. Or was it a case of

563
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:50,199
you just have this aura and that's all there is to.

564
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:57,599
Speaker 1: It, you know, I really don't know. He never delved

565
00:42:57,679 --> 00:43:01,719
into it. He never got in any type of specifics.

566
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:05,920
He didn't ask me any questions about it, And in

567
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:08,480
all honesty, I was too ashamed to tell him that, Hey,

568
00:43:08,559 --> 00:43:13,159
I was going, I'm looking for it because I do

569
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:18,880
deeply look up to him and everything that he's done

570
00:43:19,519 --> 00:43:24,719
already for like me and my family on trying to

571
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:29,679
stop and helping us with that issue. And then my

572
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:33,960
buddy had told him that I go and look for it,

573
00:43:34,599 --> 00:43:37,559
or I was going and looking for that stuff.

574
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:42,840
Speaker 2: So well, you know, when your buddy told him that,

575
00:43:43,559 --> 00:43:44,199
I'm sure.

576
00:43:44,039 --> 00:43:47,280
Speaker 1: That didn't go over Well, No it didn't.

577
00:43:48,199 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm bad. You work as an oil rig. You

578
00:43:52,079 --> 00:43:54,800
work at an oil rig for a living. Are you

579
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:57,400
ever alone there though? Or is there always someone else

580
00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:58,000
there with you?

581
00:43:59,519 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 1: Uh? You know, with my position, I'm I am a

582
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:13,320
backyard hand, solid control hand and I'm I'm pretty much

583
00:44:14,079 --> 00:44:17,719
alone most of the time. I'll go and talk with

584
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:23,559
the Derek hand and everything and ah, you know I

585
00:44:23,639 --> 00:44:28,719
but I'm usually just in my front end motor or

586
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:30,840
if there's nothing for me going on, if I have

587
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:37,760
everything cleaned up, picked up, garbage, whatever's around location, I'm

588
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:40,199
just kind of hanging out in my little office trailer

589
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:41,079
that they have for me.

590
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:49,119
Speaker 2: So right, hmmm, considering your past experience, is how easier

591
00:44:49,199 --> 00:44:53,960
difficult is that for you?

592
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:57,800
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's not that bad. Like I'm I'm

593
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:01,360
not really scared of the dark, even with all of

594
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:05,239
my past experiences. I'm still not scared of the dark.

595
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:10,320
I just know that there can be things there.

596
00:45:14,039 --> 00:45:18,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, there definitely can. In most cases, the most frightening

597
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:20,079
thing that you're going to find in the dark is

598
00:45:20,079 --> 00:45:23,119
what you take into it with you. So if you've

599
00:45:23,119 --> 00:45:24,960
had a dog mean encounter and you have a hard

600
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:27,920
time going out after dark, please keep that in mind.

601
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:31,039
Is it possible that you'll bump into another dog man

602
00:45:31,159 --> 00:45:34,079
or the same one that you encountered the first time around. Yeah,

603
00:45:34,199 --> 00:45:37,760
it's definitely possible. But in most cases, like I said,

604
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:40,360
the most frightening thing that's in the dark that you're

605
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:42,440
gonna find is what you take out there with you.

606
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:47,679
Please remember that. Have you ever seen anything strange?

607
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:51,679
Speaker 1: Oh I'm sorry, I was just saying, yeah, you are

608
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:53,000
completely right with that.

609
00:45:54,079 --> 00:45:58,360
Speaker 2: Oh, definitely. Have you ever seen anything strange there at

610
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:01,000
the wheel rige?

611
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:05,519
Speaker 1: I've seen some strange lights up in the sky, like

612
00:46:06,199 --> 00:46:09,440
and that wasn't just a me experience. That was like

613
00:46:10,559 --> 00:46:18,079
the whole entire rig scene. It. Well, somebody beyond the

614
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:20,039
drilling the location had seen.

615
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:24,519
Speaker 2: It better something like that in the sky than on

616
00:46:24,559 --> 00:46:25,079
the ground.

617
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:29,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, definitely.

618
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 2: Yeah. I'd say let's get to the questions now. The

619
00:46:34,519 --> 00:46:38,480
first question for you is from Ann Console and Ian

620
00:46:38,599 --> 00:46:40,800
wants to know, Jack, did you say it was eight

621
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:43,159
feet tall?

622
00:46:43,519 --> 00:46:47,039
Speaker 1: Yeah? It was every bit of eight feet tall. So

623
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:51,559
it sat when it was when I was sitting by

624
00:46:51,639 --> 00:46:55,840
my fence post. The top of my fence post sits

625
00:46:56,039 --> 00:47:03,360
at five feet exactly, and that dog man was sitting

626
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:06,159
at least the top of his head was at least

627
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:07,760
three feet taller than it.

628
00:47:12,079 --> 00:47:16,639
Speaker 2: Good observation there, I'm impressed. This next one is from

629
00:47:16,679 --> 00:47:20,000
Glenn Kamada, and Glenn wants to know did you ever

630
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:21,599
play around with the Wuigi? Board.

631
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 1: No, I haven't. I've always kind of just thought of

632
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:34,000
wigi boards as gimmicky. I'm sorry for the people that

633
00:47:34,199 --> 00:47:43,800
have played with them and have had strange and unexplainable experiences.

634
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:47,440
I've just never been really interested in them. I've always

635
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:49,639
grew up kind of thinking they're gimmicky.

636
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:53,440
Speaker 2: Well, whatever the reason, I'm just glad you never messed

637
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:56,960
with them. Thank goodness for that. This next one is

638
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:59,960
from Kelly in and Kelly wants to know what color

639
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:02,599
was the fur of the dog man and also she

640
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:07,599
wants to know did the Skinwalker change shape?

641
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:13,719
Speaker 1: So the color of the fur was definitely like a

642
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:18,840
darker gray, definitely a darker gray something that that made

643
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:21,159
it to where when it wasn't moving, it was a

644
00:48:21,199 --> 00:48:31,480
lot harder to see at night. And for the Skinwalker,

645
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:38,480
I've I've seen an animal that was moving around that

646
00:48:38,679 --> 00:48:42,119
it didn't look right at all, And it wasn't chronic

647
00:48:42,199 --> 00:48:47,639
wasting disease it was it was definitely something weird and

648
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:54,519
when I turned back it it wasn't there. And I

649
00:48:54,719 --> 00:49:01,960
go and check looking at tracks and I'm seeing a

650
00:49:02,039 --> 00:49:12,159
little jack rabbits tracks and then nothing following its whole

651
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:18,039
entire Oh well, would you say trajectory of movement, there

652
00:49:18,079 --> 00:49:20,679
was nothing. And then I started searching around and there

653
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:24,480
was nothing anywhere. There wasn't a hole that it could

654
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:29,400
have burrowed too. And yeah, it was. That was kind

655
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:33,320
of weird. I've seen a couple of things like that. Actually,

656
00:49:34,039 --> 00:49:39,920
I've seen wolf up in Utah and there's no wolves.

657
00:49:40,159 --> 00:49:43,320
I've seen it walking past the tree and it didn't

658
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:46,480
walk to the other side of the tree and go

659
00:49:46,519 --> 00:49:50,800
and check those tracks, and it stopped dead center of

660
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:52,159
that tree.

661
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:54,119
Speaker 2: It's almost like it went into a portal.

662
00:49:55,039 --> 00:50:00,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was. It was very weird. I I've found

663
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:03,880
dumping grounds. Me and my buddy Colton, we have found

664
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:09,599
dumping grounds in the Mighten area. I won't say where,

665
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:15,519
but in the Mighten area we'd found dumping grounds of

666
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:18,519
and it was it was way too much. I don't

667
00:50:18,559 --> 00:50:22,920
know any hunters that if they are poaching for the food,

668
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:29,400
they're not going to be doing the absolute prettiest of

669
00:50:29,559 --> 00:50:34,000
skinning and doing a cape skinned on an animal if

670
00:50:34,039 --> 00:50:37,519
they had poached it. And we had found at least

671
00:50:37,559 --> 00:50:41,920
a hundred different skins that were caped out where it's

672
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:44,400
the whole entire skin of the animal.

673
00:50:47,199 --> 00:50:52,920
Speaker 2: Wow, that's a strange find. Are all these strange things

674
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:56,599
in the past or have they been continuing to present day?

675
00:50:58,639 --> 00:51:02,880
Speaker 1: Oh? Those are all all in the past, like the

676
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:09,840
so the wolf was about three years ago, the skins,

677
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:14,920
they were all about I want to say two or

678
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:19,199
two or two and a half years ago. Uh.

679
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:26,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, thank goodness, it seemed to have stopped. Hopefully

680
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:30,280
the never do start again. I've got another question for

681
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:33,920
you from Patrick, and Patrick wants to know does there

682
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:35,840
seem to be a pattern to when you feel like

683
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:39,960
the dogmen are around or does it feel random and timing?

684
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:49,079
Speaker 1: You know, I I really don't know it. I've only

685
00:51:49,119 --> 00:51:55,920
seen I've seen it once and it was during a storm,

686
00:51:56,280 --> 00:52:00,320
so I seeing the shadows. I won't tell you that

687
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:04,239
the shadows that I had seen in the trees isn't

688
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:07,960
the dog man, but it is enough to get me

689
00:52:08,119 --> 00:52:13,079
scared to say, hey, I'm going inside. So it's it's

690
00:52:13,199 --> 00:52:16,000
kind of been random with the shadows that I've seen

691
00:52:16,079 --> 00:52:20,440
in the trees further back in the trees and everything.

692
00:52:20,559 --> 00:52:26,039
But yeah, just as random as my my encounter.

693
00:52:28,119 --> 00:52:31,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, it does sound pretty random. I've got another one

694
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:35,360
from me looks like it's from Anne console and she

695
00:52:35,519 --> 00:52:37,360
wants to know. I'm not sure if you saw the

696
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:39,400
color of its skin or not, but she wants to

697
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:42,440
know if you did see it, what color was its skin?

698
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:52,119
Speaker 1: The color of its skin. I'll, I mean, I can,

699
00:52:52,599 --> 00:52:56,840
I can give you everything for detail wise, like it

700
00:52:56,840 --> 00:53:02,679
it had the darker gray fur. It was a shorter snout,

701
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:08,840
tall ears, and the snout was it was covered. So

702
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:12,239
I don't really know him skin wise. You know, it

703
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:16,639
could be any colored skin underneath the fur, like on

704
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:21,199
how a puller bear is has black skin but white fur.

705
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:29,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, that does surprise a lot of people. That's how

706
00:53:29,159 --> 00:53:32,960
it is. Though. This next one is from Glenn Kamada,

707
00:53:33,039 --> 00:53:35,480
and that's related to what you're just telling us about.

708
00:53:36,039 --> 00:53:38,880
He wants to know didn't have well groomed.

709
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:45,519
Speaker 1: Fur in the rain. It was. It was definitely matted down.

710
00:53:46,119 --> 00:53:49,199
It wasn't puffed up or anything. It was it was

711
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:54,920
matted down and wet and that could have been the

712
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:58,519
cause for it to look like a darker gray too. Like,

713
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:05,199
it was definitely wet and matted so it was. It

714
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:08,360
was hard to say and if it had groomed for

715
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:09,039
or not.

716
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:12,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, it feels soaked like that, it would be almost

717
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:16,559
impossible looks like. The next question is for Ian and

718
00:54:16,639 --> 00:54:18,960
Ian wants to know do you think that the storm

719
00:54:19,079 --> 00:54:24,559
somehow brought it out or vice versa.

720
00:54:25,519 --> 00:54:28,760
Speaker 1: Uh, it could have you know, it could have been like, hey,

721
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:32,519
this is this could be the time to be able

722
00:54:32,559 --> 00:54:36,559
to break through the tree line. It's darker than normal,

723
00:54:36,639 --> 00:54:40,719
there's no shine from the moon or anything. I don't

724
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:44,760
even know what the moon was that night. Uh, yeah,

725
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:50,079
it was it. It could have had a reason for

726
00:54:50,159 --> 00:54:56,719
coming out of the trees because of the storm.

727
00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:58,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good question right there.

728
00:54:59,119 --> 00:55:02,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I really don't know because I don't I

729
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:05,280
don't know the attributes of these things. I don't know

730
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:11,000
what they run off of, what their ideology is on

731
00:55:11,079 --> 00:55:14,760
how they go through with their their actions.

732
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:21,840
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's fair. The next question is from blood Vipa,

733
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:25,000
and he wants to know did you notice it smell?

734
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:26,880
If so, what was it?

735
00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:33,719
Speaker 1: If I had to smell, I couldn't tell. All I

736
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:39,000
could smell was earthy rain right now, like right then

737
00:55:39,039 --> 00:55:41,000
and there. If that's all I could smell.

738
00:55:42,199 --> 00:55:44,679
Speaker 2: You know, if it's storming and blowing, I'll bet that's

739
00:55:44,679 --> 00:55:48,519
all you could smell. I've got a question for you

740
00:55:48,599 --> 00:55:53,559
from unreal estate agent double O seven. They want to know,

741
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:57,440
are there any burial grounds or places considered sacred near

742
00:55:57,480 --> 00:55:58,679
where you've had the encounter?

743
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:06,960
Speaker 1: Not that I know of. I've I've only lived here

744
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:15,039
in Texas for what six months now? So yeah, not

745
00:56:15,159 --> 00:56:20,039
that I know of. There was no burial grounds that

746
00:56:20,119 --> 00:56:28,000
I know of. Now, if you asked me for the Skinwalkers, Uh,

747
00:56:28,119 --> 00:56:32,320
there definitely could have been, because there was They dig

748
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:35,880
up old burial grounds all the time out there for locations,

749
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:40,159
drilling locations and everything like that, So there definitely could

750
00:56:40,159 --> 00:56:43,400
have been for the Skinwalkers. I don't know for here

751
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:44,559
in Texas though.

752
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:48,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fear. You've only been there for a short

753
00:56:48,719 --> 00:56:52,039
period of time, so you probably wouldn't know. This next

754
00:56:52,119 --> 00:56:56,000
question is from Jerry Cahill, and Jerry wants to know

755
00:56:56,760 --> 00:56:59,239
do you wish you didn't conjure the Skinwalkers?

756
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:10,199
Speaker 1: Uh? You know, me messing with it after living with

757
00:57:10,639 --> 00:57:15,199
so many encounters throughout what I believe is my short

758
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:22,559
life that I've had. If I could have gone back

759
00:57:22,639 --> 00:57:25,800
and done it in a different way, I would have,

760
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:35,519
if that makes sense. If yeah, yeah, if I could

761
00:57:35,519 --> 00:57:39,320
have gone back and done it the way that was

762
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:42,119
advised to me, I would have done it that way,

763
00:57:46,199 --> 00:57:48,480
but as of the way that I did do it,

764
00:57:48,599 --> 00:57:51,880
I I kind of regret it. Yeah, but the way

765
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:52,920
that I had done it.

766
00:57:56,159 --> 00:57:57,639
Speaker 2: You know what they say it could have should have

767
00:57:57,639 --> 00:58:01,880
wor oh yeah, yeah, that's all there is to it.

768
00:58:02,599 --> 00:58:06,360
This next question is from unreal estate agent double O seven,

769
00:58:06,519 --> 00:58:10,039
and they want to know did you notice luminous eyes

770
00:58:10,159 --> 00:58:14,880
and did you feel it near your thoughts?

771
00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:18,719
Speaker 1: I didn't think that it could fill my thoughts, but

772
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:24,760
you know, at at the moment to me anyways, I

773
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:30,400
thought it was like a mutual of we don't know

774
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:35,480
the reaction time of either, even though I was already

775
00:58:36,159 --> 00:58:43,599
not really believing in my nine. But yeah, and luminous eyes,

776
00:58:43,679 --> 00:58:49,920
so they didn't glow glow like on how a flashlight

777
00:58:50,119 --> 00:58:52,679
is or anything like that. It was more like when

778
00:58:52,679 --> 00:58:55,480
you see a cat out at night, and it was

779
00:58:56,119 --> 00:59:00,679
it was an amber color. It wasn't it wasn't like

780
00:59:01,519 --> 00:59:06,320
super bright. It wasn't anything like that for the eyes.

781
00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:13,039
Speaker 2: Well, that's a good description. It looks like. Unreal estate

782
00:59:13,079 --> 00:59:17,079
agent seven also wants to know did you see hands

783
00:59:17,079 --> 00:59:20,760
and arms as well as legs like people bone structure wise?

784
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:31,159
Speaker 1: You know, it had arms. It had what looked like

785
00:59:31,199 --> 00:59:35,559
it would be long arms for a human and hand wise.

786
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:37,960
I wasn't paying attention to the hands.

787
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:38,360
Speaker 2: I was.

788
00:59:39,599 --> 00:59:42,039
Speaker 1: I was just trying to pay attention to it when

789
00:59:42,079 --> 00:59:44,800
we were staring each other down when I had seen

790
00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:50,039
it curling up, I was just looking at it, not

791
00:59:50,039 --> 00:59:51,119
not at the hands.

792
00:59:53,559 --> 00:59:56,920
Speaker 2: That's understandable. Did you ever get a glance at his

793
00:59:57,119 --> 01:00:00,000
leg structure though, to see if it had dog like legs,

794
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:03,519
eggs or hominid style legs.

795
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:07,760
Speaker 1: See, that's that's I think that's why I thought it

796
01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:12,000
was crawling on its knees, because it's its legs did

797
01:00:12,559 --> 01:00:17,480
look funny when it was strown like not human ners,

798
01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:22,239
if that makes sense. Kind of kind of looked like

799
01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:28,480
I had the little backward thing on, like the back

800
01:00:28,639 --> 01:00:36,280
knees on the dog hawks. Yeah, hawks hawks, Yeah, you know.

801
01:00:36,239 --> 01:00:40,719
Speaker 2: It's a Kielan tight dog man. It looks like Mike

802
01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:43,360
triple seven E. I wants to know did you see

803
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:44,719
any black helicopters?

804
01:00:47,599 --> 01:00:52,480
Speaker 1: No? I did not. Actually I didn't see any black helicopters.

805
01:00:54,679 --> 01:00:58,079
Speaker 2: I figured that was a long shot, but definitely worth asking.

806
01:00:58,840 --> 01:01:02,199
The last question for is from blood Vipa. He wants

807
01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:04,559
to know. Did you sense it before you saw it?

808
01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:09,920
Speaker 1: No, I did not sense it before I saw it.

809
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:13,079
My wife's seen it before I did. So if you're

810
01:01:13,119 --> 01:01:16,280
talking about when it was coming up closer, no, I

811
01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:20,719
did not sense it. And if you're talking about back

812
01:01:20,840 --> 01:01:24,480
by my tree line, I didn't sense it either. I

813
01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:28,800
had seen movement and that is what drawn me to

814
01:01:29,239 --> 01:01:29,880
look at it.

815
01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:34,559
Speaker 2: Do you think it's a good thing that you did

816
01:01:34,599 --> 01:01:38,880
see it and didn't just go inside blindly because of

817
01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:42,960
the storm and never were any wiser about it being

818
01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:47,679
around or is it vice versa? Do you wish you

819
01:01:47,719 --> 01:01:48,360
never saw it?

820
01:01:53,599 --> 01:01:53,880
Speaker 1: You know?

821
01:01:54,239 --> 01:02:05,320
Speaker 3: I I kind of I'm glad that I had seen it,

822
01:02:06,199 --> 01:02:12,519
because I'm very I'm open minded about these types of things, right,

823
01:02:13,599 --> 01:02:17,920
But with the way it was with my encounter, where

824
01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:21,480
if we could have seen it clearly.

825
01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:26,239
Speaker 1: When we'd first seen it, we definitely would have just

826
01:02:26,239 --> 01:02:26,760
went inside.

827
01:02:26,800 --> 01:02:35,519
Speaker 2: Then, Oh, I'm sure you would have and understandably so well, Jack,

828
01:02:35,639 --> 01:02:37,719
It goes without saying, I sure hope your days of

829
01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:41,320
strange events like this or behind you. Hope you never

830
01:02:41,360 --> 01:02:44,519
have a single event like this again. But if it

831
01:02:44,559 --> 01:02:46,920
ever comes back, if you ever need my help period,

832
01:02:47,039 --> 01:02:49,000
just let me know and I'll be there for you.

833
01:02:51,199 --> 01:02:52,480
Speaker 1: Okay, thank you, Vick.

834
01:02:53,199 --> 01:02:56,039
Speaker 2: Oh, you're welcome. Well, before we get out of here,

835
01:02:56,119 --> 01:02:57,679
do you have any clothes and comments you want to

836
01:02:57,679 --> 01:02:58,599
put out there for us.

837
01:03:01,199 --> 01:03:03,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, don't go looking for things if you don't know

838
01:03:03,639 --> 01:03:09,960
what they actually are. That's not with my experience with

839
01:03:10,079 --> 01:03:15,159
dog Man. That's just with my experience of the whole

840
01:03:15,320 --> 01:03:21,360
entire everything that I've been there in my adult life.

841
01:03:22,119 --> 01:03:25,960
Speaker 2: Well, that's always good advice. Yeah, if more people follow

842
01:03:26,039 --> 01:03:29,320
that advice, there'd be a lot fewer people out there

843
01:03:29,360 --> 01:03:33,400
dealing with problems. That's a given. But having said that,

844
01:03:33,559 --> 01:03:35,519
thanks again so much for coming on and sharing the

845
01:03:35,559 --> 01:03:39,039
details of those experiences with this Jack. I really appreciate it.

846
01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:45,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you for being over let me, you know,

847
01:03:46,119 --> 01:03:50,880
get this out there. It's definitely different here in Texas

848
01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:52,719
compared to the you in a basin.

849
01:03:55,239 --> 01:03:58,039
Speaker 2: Oh glad to do it, and yeah, I'm sure it is. Yeah,

850
01:03:58,119 --> 01:04:01,360
quite a bit different all right then. Yeah, thanks against

851
01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:03,800
much of your time, Jack, and have a great night.

852
01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:06,360
Speaker 1: Thank you youto. Vic.

853
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:11,119
Speaker 2: Oh, you're welcome. Well that's another one in the books.

854
01:04:11,360 --> 01:04:13,840
Thanks as always so much for listening to the show. Everyone.

855
01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:16,559
I really appreciate it and of course, I hope you

856
01:04:16,599 --> 01:04:19,440
have a great night before I do get out of here. Though,

857
01:04:19,519 --> 01:04:21,840
if you've had a Dogman encounter that you either need

858
01:04:21,920 --> 01:04:24,320
help with or say you want to come on the

859
01:04:24,360 --> 01:04:26,840
show and share it with the listeners, all you would

860
01:04:26,920 --> 01:04:30,400
need to do is to go to dogmanencounters dot com

861
01:04:30,519 --> 01:04:33,719
submit a report, and if you do that then I

862
01:04:33,840 --> 01:04:36,519
will be happy to contact you to schedule a film

863
01:04:36,559 --> 01:04:39,480
consultation so we can have a good talk about your

864
01:04:39,599 --> 01:04:44,079
encounter or encounters as it sometimes happens. But having said that,

865
01:04:44,159 --> 01:04:47,119
thanks again so much for listening and have a great night.

866
01:05:04,800 --> 01:05:20,559
Speaker 1: MS. English