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PW Torch brings you the wage Keller 28 00:01:39.319 --> 00:01:40.680 Pro Wrestling Post. 29 00:01:40.519 --> 00:01:44.799 Show five years ago. 30 00:01:44.840 --> 00:01:47.120 This week on the Dynamite post Show, I was joined 31 00:01:47.120 --> 00:01:50.200 by Tyler Sage from PW Torch. We talked about Lance 32 00:01:50.280 --> 00:01:53.200 Archer's victory over John Moxley, was that his last big 33 00:01:53.239 --> 00:01:56.879 singles win, Also Britt Baker against Nyla Rose MGFF, bringing 34 00:01:57.000 --> 00:02:00.599 Nick Gage in to challenge the Painmaker, Chris Jericho, Chobo 35 00:02:00.640 --> 00:02:04.280 Garrau being paired with Onriday l Edelo, the enthusiasm of 36 00:02:04.319 --> 00:02:07.599 AW crowds, and whether AW could overtake Raw in the 37 00:02:07.640 --> 00:02:11.759 weekly ratings battle, and more. Over two hours nearly two 38 00:02:11.759 --> 00:02:14.159 and a half hours of analysis from five years ago. 39 00:02:14.240 --> 00:02:17.000 This week here on the way Teller Pro Wrestling Post 40 00:02:17.000 --> 00:02:20.520 Show five years ago, Dynamite flashback for Sunday, July nineteenth, 41 00:02:20.680 --> 00:02:23.439 twenty twenty six. The show originally live streamed on July 42 00:02:23.560 --> 00:02:29.479 twenty first, twenty twenty one. Well, Tyler, that was quite 43 00:02:29.520 --> 00:02:33.639 the adrenaline rush of very close to a show. My 44 00:02:33.759 --> 00:02:36.120 only description I had time for in my written report 45 00:02:36.199 --> 00:02:43.639 was JFC exclamation mark. Wow. Lance Archer, the new IWGPUS champion, 46 00:02:43.879 --> 00:02:47.400 beating John Moxley, who got stuck to barbed wire after 47 00:02:47.439 --> 00:02:50.520 being slammed off the ring apron threw a couple of 48 00:02:50.560 --> 00:02:53.800 tables and curled up barbed wire. That was not the 49 00:02:53.840 --> 00:02:55.479 most amazing spot of the match, one of the most 50 00:02:56.000 --> 00:02:58.240 And I don't want to glorify it because it seems 51 00:02:58.280 --> 00:03:02.919 to me like possible per palysis when Archer dropped, slammed, 52 00:03:03.039 --> 00:03:07.039 choke slammed Moxley onto the back of those two chairs 53 00:03:07.039 --> 00:03:09.039 that were set up and back to back, and they 54 00:03:09.039 --> 00:03:12.039 just didn't give you know, I mean, it just feels 55 00:03:12.080 --> 00:03:17.560 like the spinal cord could break or something. I think 56 00:03:17.560 --> 00:03:20.800 mine would, but Moxley seemed fine. They cut to crowd shots. 57 00:03:20.840 --> 00:03:22.840 I'm not alone. They went up to a close up. 58 00:03:22.800 --> 00:03:27.000 Of a fan who was like, oh my god, this 59 00:03:27.039 --> 00:03:32.840 is part of Aw's brand and this crowd. John Cena 60 00:03:32.840 --> 00:03:34.599 would not have had to do any heavy lifting to 61 00:03:34.599 --> 00:03:37.719 get this crowd warmed out. Oh my god, this is 62 00:03:37.800 --> 00:03:41.599 what wrestling pro wrestling experience is meant to be. 63 00:03:41.680 --> 00:03:44.960 Like, if you're in the building and that energy level. 64 00:03:45.120 --> 00:03:48.919 Made you know, clunky spots here and there irrelevant, you 65 00:03:49.000 --> 00:03:51.400 know what I mean, you don't want to just accept 66 00:03:51.439 --> 00:03:52.639 them and not try to get better, and you want 67 00:03:52.639 --> 00:03:54.719 to have a roster that minimizes them. But like when 68 00:03:54.719 --> 00:03:58.599 you have a crowd this into everything, practically, you can 69 00:03:59.319 --> 00:04:03.960 like not be super smooth and perfect. So yeah, Archer 70 00:04:03.960 --> 00:04:05.520 the new champ. I mean, that's that's a headline coming 71 00:04:05.520 --> 00:04:07.120 out of the show. Your thoughts, well, actually nick age 72 00:04:07.159 --> 00:04:09.319 might be for some people, but your thoughts on the 73 00:04:09.360 --> 00:04:09.719 main event. 74 00:04:10.599 --> 00:04:13.039 Yeah, First of all, I'm surprised by your reaction. I 75 00:04:13.039 --> 00:04:15.400 know it seems to be whenever I'm on the show 76 00:04:15.439 --> 00:04:17.199 there's some sort of death match in the show, because 77 00:04:17.240 --> 00:04:19.600 I think I was at the on the post show 78 00:04:19.920 --> 00:04:23.600 with Britt Baker and thunder Rose after their their epic battles. 79 00:04:23.680 --> 00:04:26.639 So I'm just like kind of surprised by your reaction. 80 00:04:26.800 --> 00:04:29.040 But you know, I think that's good. I think the 81 00:04:29.079 --> 00:04:32.480 live Crab really helps, like you said, gloss over some 82 00:04:32.560 --> 00:04:35.560 things that may not be the most ideal way to 83 00:04:35.560 --> 00:04:37.439 present your product week in and week out. I think 84 00:04:37.439 --> 00:04:39.639 you've stated that well, and you know this work for me. 85 00:04:39.759 --> 00:04:42.279 I'm I'm a once ever listening to he knows, I'm 86 00:04:42.279 --> 00:04:45.399 a I'm a fan of this type of wrestling more 87 00:04:45.439 --> 00:04:48.839 than others. And that spot that you described, yes, was 88 00:04:50.120 --> 00:04:53.920 you know, that's I'm shouting out expletives in my in 89 00:04:54.000 --> 00:04:56.920 my house, hyping up my report here because it is 90 00:04:57.000 --> 00:05:00.560 just like something that especially you know, if you have 91 00:05:00.680 --> 00:05:03.680 not watched crazy wrestling all the time, and that's the 92 00:05:03.720 --> 00:05:05.480 spot that gets set up a lot but doesn't actually 93 00:05:05.480 --> 00:05:07.480 fall through because yeah, it's too crazy to actually do. 94 00:05:07.600 --> 00:05:10.439 So yeah, that was that was there. I kind of 95 00:05:10.560 --> 00:05:13.319 lost your initial question because I was taken back by 96 00:05:13.319 --> 00:05:17.439 your your opinion of which I'm happy with. But yeah, 97 00:05:17.480 --> 00:05:20.920 I mean, yeah, it was a adrenaline Russian. I think 98 00:05:20.959 --> 00:05:24.120 this is a good sample for next week. I don't 99 00:05:24.120 --> 00:05:25.959 know how much Chris Jericho is gonna let Nick Age do, 100 00:05:26.120 --> 00:05:28.399 but that type of wrestling, I doubt there's gonna be 101 00:05:28.439 --> 00:05:30.920 light tubes or anything like that, but it might be 102 00:05:30.959 --> 00:05:33.040 a lot for two weeks back to back, So I'm 103 00:05:33.079 --> 00:05:35.560 kind of curious see how they they treat that and 104 00:05:35.600 --> 00:05:37.879 where that'll be and how that'll be booked. But uh, 105 00:05:38.199 --> 00:05:41.879 but yeah, this is a W's brand and the live crowd, Yeah, 106 00:05:41.959 --> 00:05:44.920 I mean, much much harder for this start to finish 107 00:05:45.000 --> 00:05:47.439 than than it was earlier in the week in the 108 00:05:47.720 --> 00:05:50.240 same city. Not not the same fans, I'm gonna guess, 109 00:05:50.240 --> 00:05:53.759 but yeah, I know it was. It was a stark difference, 110 00:05:53.800 --> 00:05:55.720 and I think that is something that Tony CON's gonna 111 00:05:55.720 --> 00:05:59.040 be very happy about and try and try and be 112 00:05:59.120 --> 00:05:59.959 a little tip in his cat. 113 00:06:01.000 --> 00:06:03.759 And let me be clear, this is not my favorite match. 114 00:06:03.839 --> 00:06:07.079 This is not my favorite kind of match, but I 115 00:06:07.120 --> 00:06:11.120 can watch, like I don't know a lot about much 116 00:06:11.160 --> 00:06:14.639 of anything about like European soccer football, But if crowd's 117 00:06:14.680 --> 00:06:17.040 going completely apesient crazy, I mean, I'm gonna you can 118 00:06:17.079 --> 00:06:20.240 pull me in, you know, if if everybody's just so yeah, 119 00:06:20.279 --> 00:06:21.600 I mean, some of the violence, it's like, you know, 120 00:06:21.639 --> 00:06:23.040 the Jabin with the fork, it's just like, I mean, 121 00:06:23.079 --> 00:06:29.079 it's it's not I've seen some wild death matches in person, 122 00:06:29.720 --> 00:06:32.439 going back to Bruiser Brodie and Crusher. 123 00:06:32.120 --> 00:06:34.319 Blackwell and Matt Dogva, Sean and I loved it. 124 00:06:34.600 --> 00:06:37.040 So it's not like I'm like a snob about It's 125 00:06:37.079 --> 00:06:39.240 just that's not like my favorite thing. And I think 126 00:06:39.560 --> 00:06:43.319 there's been some garbage wrestling that I've seen, you know, 127 00:06:43.399 --> 00:06:46.639 some ultra violent matches. It just felt like garbage wrestling. 128 00:06:46.639 --> 00:06:49.480 It felt excessive, you know, tax, and like, I think 129 00:06:49.480 --> 00:06:50.399 that's kind of played out. 130 00:06:50.399 --> 00:06:51.600 Did we get tax in this match? 131 00:06:53.240 --> 00:06:54.560 So it can be done. 132 00:06:54.920 --> 00:06:57.240 It can be done, people, That's my point, Like you 133 00:06:57.319 --> 00:06:59.920 can do this kind of match and not go to 134 00:07:00.240 --> 00:07:04.240 some tired cliches. We didn't get fake beer bottles, you know, 135 00:07:04.360 --> 00:07:07.319 like the you know, the breakaway like, so this is 136 00:07:07.399 --> 00:07:09.360 just really well done for this style of match, and 137 00:07:09.680 --> 00:07:13.360 like I said, the crowd elevated it like crazy. I'm 138 00:07:14.160 --> 00:07:17.560 not a fan of blows to the head, you know, 139 00:07:17.639 --> 00:07:20.319 with whether it's FOURD objects or not. I mean, I 140 00:07:20.319 --> 00:07:24.360 just think people need to be careful about that. And 141 00:07:24.439 --> 00:07:28.120 you know, the bloodlust and adrenaline and feeding frenzy of 142 00:07:28.480 --> 00:07:32.000 crowd heat can drive wrestlers to do crazy things. And 143 00:07:32.399 --> 00:07:35.040 there's a list of VCW wrestlers who didn't make a 144 00:07:35.079 --> 00:07:38.120 page fifty who were feeding into that, so you know, 145 00:07:38.399 --> 00:07:40.759 I mean that's up to Tony Kahan to a degree 146 00:07:41.120 --> 00:07:43.240 to you know, I'm just trying to pour a bucket 147 00:07:43.240 --> 00:07:45.920 on this, but you know, let's let's let's not Let's 148 00:07:46.000 --> 00:07:49.560 keep in mind, you know that wrestlers are people too, 149 00:07:49.800 --> 00:07:54.519 and this kind of crowd reaction is is addictive, and 150 00:07:56.839 --> 00:07:59.720 you know it can pull wrestlers into and promoters frankly 151 00:07:59.759 --> 00:08:02.480 into booking these types of matches a lot, and so 152 00:08:02.759 --> 00:08:04.839 you know, just be real careful. But the thing about 153 00:08:04.839 --> 00:08:06.439 this is it I mean, yes, there was some no 154 00:08:06.560 --> 00:08:09.519 selling a crazy big moves, you know, middle finger to 155 00:08:09.800 --> 00:08:13.240 whatever the paradigm shift spot was and all that, but 156 00:08:13.319 --> 00:08:16.199 it felt like they really made what they did count, 157 00:08:16.240 --> 00:08:18.480 like I it was. It would be crazy to say 158 00:08:18.480 --> 00:08:21.560 they didn't get gratuitous, but it didn't seem gratuitous for 159 00:08:21.600 --> 00:08:22.759 gratuitous sake. 160 00:08:22.800 --> 00:08:24.600 We'll see what happens next week with Nick Gage. 161 00:08:26.040 --> 00:08:29.199 So yeah, my minitor reaction and again, I'm just pulled 162 00:08:29.199 --> 00:08:32.279 into any kind of you know, crowd going nut situation. 163 00:08:32.399 --> 00:08:35.240 When it works, it's not about you, it's it's it's 164 00:08:35.240 --> 00:08:37.840 about is this product working. And it was just a 165 00:08:37.879 --> 00:08:39.799 wild ride, you know, Dynamite's a wild ride. I mean, 166 00:08:40.000 --> 00:08:42.679 the way they were into Britt Baker and Nila ros everything, 167 00:08:42.879 --> 00:08:45.679 you know, I mean Jericho at the beginning. I mean, 168 00:08:47.120 --> 00:08:49.360 you know, they're in a groove, and I think ratings 169 00:08:49.360 --> 00:08:53.399 should keep going up with the core demo. You know 170 00:08:53.440 --> 00:08:55.919 that just that eighteen to forty nine maybe up to 171 00:08:56.159 --> 00:08:57.840 you know, the twenty five to fifty four number doesn't 172 00:08:57.840 --> 00:08:59.960 get talked about as much. Advertisers love that one too, 173 00:09:00.600 --> 00:09:03.799 and you know w B's you know, that's not their 174 00:09:03.879 --> 00:09:07.720 Their strength is more, you know, older people above age 175 00:09:07.720 --> 00:09:10.559 fifty five, and you know, kind of legacy fans who 176 00:09:10.559 --> 00:09:12.720 are loyal to the brand. And then there's obviously kids. 177 00:09:12.720 --> 00:09:15.039 You know, they market the kids, and aw is just going, Oh, 178 00:09:15.080 --> 00:09:18.240 there's that whole middle zone advertisers love, let's super serve them, 179 00:09:19.000 --> 00:09:21.559 and I feel like they're doing that. 180 00:09:22.960 --> 00:09:27.399 Yeah, I would agree. I mean that's you know, the 181 00:09:27.519 --> 00:09:31.080 zone that I'm in personally, and you know, I don't 182 00:09:31.120 --> 00:09:33.799 let my let my I don't know biases right the word, 183 00:09:33.799 --> 00:09:36.080 but you know, I definitely prefer watching this every week 184 00:09:36.120 --> 00:09:38.399 then I do, you know, I mean Raw was okay 185 00:09:38.960 --> 00:09:40.759 a couple of nights ago. Is better than it has been, 186 00:09:40.799 --> 00:09:42.440 but you know, it still feels a little bit more 187 00:09:42.720 --> 00:09:44.399 like a slog the third hour does that, so it's 188 00:09:44.399 --> 00:09:46.159 not to be a versus thing bit. I mean, I 189 00:09:46.159 --> 00:09:47.279 think all your points are about there. 190 00:09:47.679 --> 00:09:49.639 Well, I wrote in my report at pw torch dot 191 00:09:49.639 --> 00:09:51.320 com and my final thoughts on the show right before 192 00:09:51.360 --> 00:09:54.120 logging on to do this, it's such a contrast to 193 00:09:54.120 --> 00:09:57.120 what w B is doing. Even if even if w 194 00:09:57.200 --> 00:10:00.480 B was doing what they try to do immaculately, which 195 00:10:00.519 --> 00:10:03.360 they're not, this is just a whole different breed of 196 00:10:03.399 --> 00:10:08.320 pro wrestling. I mean, the segment with Pak and Androtti 197 00:10:08.360 --> 00:10:10.639 and stuff like that never make WWTV, you know, there's 198 00:10:10.639 --> 00:10:13.600 just too much Spanish. But it didn't matter. They could 199 00:10:13.600 --> 00:10:16.639 have bounce between German and Russian. And the way the 200 00:10:16.679 --> 00:10:18.679 crowd isn't do it in the authenticity of it, and 201 00:10:18.720 --> 00:10:21.879 the cool characters and the fact that they seemed like 202 00:10:22.360 --> 00:10:27.559 genuinely expressing real feelings, not reciting memorized lines. It pulls 203 00:10:27.600 --> 00:10:31.879 me in, you know. So yeah, I mean, so it 204 00:10:31.919 --> 00:10:34.519 was a lot of fun. Well, let's introduce ourselves and 205 00:10:34.840 --> 00:10:37.639 not talk too long before we get to phone calls. 206 00:10:38.120 --> 00:10:42.600 This is the Wade Keller Pro Wrestling post show for Wednesday, 207 00:10:42.679 --> 00:10:45.919 July twenty first, twenty twenty one. I'm Wade Keller, host 208 00:10:46.080 --> 00:10:49.519 of the program. 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We went well over two hours, 221 00:11:33.720 --> 00:11:35.759 in like two and a half hours, So that's available 222 00:11:35.840 --> 00:11:37.600 for you if you haven't hit download on that yet. 223 00:11:38.240 --> 00:11:41.039 But tonight we're here to talk exclusively about a EW 224 00:11:41.279 --> 00:11:45.759 Dynamite with my cohls. Tonight Tyler Sage from the Podcast 225 00:11:45.799 --> 00:11:49.080 of Honor podcast. I was gonna say VP exclusive, but 226 00:11:49.120 --> 00:11:51.639 we have moved you to the PW Torch Daily Cast 227 00:11:51.720 --> 00:11:54.919 lineup coming out of the Pandemic Here and Ewan Ryan 228 00:11:54.919 --> 00:11:57.919 Sullivan do a great job with not only covering ROH 229 00:11:57.960 --> 00:12:00.320 news and events and TV shows, but also tons of 230 00:12:00.320 --> 00:12:04.159 exclusive interviews over the past year and a half. Tyler, 231 00:12:04.200 --> 00:12:05.759 welcome back to the coast here. 232 00:12:06.480 --> 00:12:10.080 Hey, thanks, happy to be here. And yeah, thanks for 233 00:12:10.080 --> 00:12:12.000 the playgain. We're on daily cast now so every Thursday 234 00:12:12.080 --> 00:12:14.360 or show drops, so very excited about that. Thank you 235 00:12:14.399 --> 00:12:17.399 for the opportunity of their way, and yeah, it's been great. 236 00:12:17.480 --> 00:12:19.000 So yeah, let's uh, let's talk to me. 237 00:12:20.720 --> 00:12:25.279 So can you say the what is the most populated 238 00:12:25.519 --> 00:12:27.279 city in the United States? 239 00:12:27.320 --> 00:12:27.639 Tyler? 240 00:12:28.720 --> 00:12:30.960 It's in New York City, Yes. 241 00:12:31.639 --> 00:12:35.000 Not North Like Cody Shavani struggle to say, that was 242 00:12:35.039 --> 00:12:37.639 a fun moment. I thought this. I bring that up 243 00:12:37.639 --> 00:12:40.559 in part because I thought the announcers seemed to be 244 00:12:40.679 --> 00:12:44.320 having fun tonight, and I felt that last week too. 245 00:12:44.559 --> 00:12:46.759 I think kind of like Kenny Omega, shines is a 246 00:12:46.759 --> 00:12:49.200 heel playing off of a live audience more than playing 247 00:12:49.240 --> 00:12:52.799 a bunch of empty seats or scattered fans in you know, 248 00:12:52.799 --> 00:12:54.919 an outdoor venue. When there's like that real feedback, he 249 00:12:54.960 --> 00:12:57.559 seems to thrive and whatever it could be other things 250 00:12:57.600 --> 00:12:59.080 to going on that that are that are you know, 251 00:12:59.120 --> 00:13:02.679 just adjusting his charac I think Rashavani X caliber. Despite 252 00:13:02.720 --> 00:13:07.159 the travel, which could make Ross especially grumpy, it feels 253 00:13:07.240 --> 00:13:10.279 like they're having more fun. Maybe it's a result of 254 00:13:10.360 --> 00:13:12.240 Ross just sort of kicking it up a gear after 255 00:13:12.399 --> 00:13:15.639 slipping up with Adov dynamite thing or variety of factors. 256 00:13:15.679 --> 00:13:19.320 But they I don't know, hear things. I don't know 257 00:13:19.320 --> 00:13:21.240 how well they get along, you know, after the show's 258 00:13:21.320 --> 00:13:24.399 always but or even during the shows, as we hear sometimes. 259 00:13:24.440 --> 00:13:27.159 But this scene, it's it's it's more fun when they 260 00:13:27.159 --> 00:13:30.360 all seem to be having fun. And I thought, you know, 261 00:13:30.639 --> 00:13:32.799 there it wasn't excessive, they didn't make it all about them, 262 00:13:32.799 --> 00:13:36.440 but there was a looseness and a chemistry between them 263 00:13:36.440 --> 00:13:39.600 tonight with some some fun moment, especially given Shavani a 264 00:13:39.639 --> 00:13:42.480 hard time at different times, and I thought the flow 265 00:13:43.679 --> 00:13:45.919 is good. I think their chemistry has improved. And your 266 00:13:46.000 --> 00:13:48.000 quick thoughts on that, Tyler, Yeah. 267 00:13:47.840 --> 00:13:49.759 I agree. I think just like you know, when you 268 00:13:49.759 --> 00:13:52.519 think about people that you work with, your coworkers, how 269 00:13:52.559 --> 00:13:56.399 easily can you kind of save them? And Excalibur a 270 00:13:56.399 --> 00:13:58.840 couple of times here with finishing sentences that Ross and 271 00:13:59.679 --> 00:14:02.279 Tony couldn't finish, and it didn't feel like there's malice 272 00:14:02.320 --> 00:14:03.879 behind it. It felt like he was really helping them out 273 00:14:03.879 --> 00:14:05.879 and and then they thanked him. So yeah, those little 274 00:14:05.919 --> 00:14:07.440 things go a long way to show you that they 275 00:14:07.440 --> 00:14:09.919 are on better footing than they were maybe you know, 276 00:14:09.960 --> 00:14:12.000 six months ago, three months ago, something like that. So yeah, 277 00:14:12.000 --> 00:14:12.559 I agree. 278 00:14:12.759 --> 00:14:16.759 Yep, all right, So we have our phone lines open 279 00:14:16.879 --> 00:14:20.000 right now. We're live about twenty minutes after Dynamite ended, 280 00:14:20.080 --> 00:14:23.240 and we invite you to join us. 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I did hear from one of 312 00:15:52.080 --> 00:15:56.639 them that the Nick Gage announcement was He said about 313 00:15:56.679 --> 00:15:58.440 half the people knew him and half didn't, you know, 314 00:15:58.480 --> 00:16:02.039 which sounds about right, just in terms of an AW crowd. 315 00:16:02.159 --> 00:16:03.799 You know, I think people can watch AW and not 316 00:16:03.960 --> 00:16:07.039 have watched you know, Nick Gage documentaries, understand what his 317 00:16:07.240 --> 00:16:10.200 story is, but about half the crowd new. I venture 318 00:16:10.240 --> 00:16:11.840 to guess it'd be a lot less if John Cena 319 00:16:11.840 --> 00:16:14.600 had dropped his name on RAW on Monday. But it 320 00:16:14.679 --> 00:16:17.320 was super intense, so we'll get into that. I want 321 00:16:17.320 --> 00:16:20.679 to hear what you guys think of that. Also. 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Your time is valuable, and that's one 333 00:16:59.679 --> 00:17:01.679 of the reason since we offer v I P membership 334 00:17:01.720 --> 00:17:10.359 PW Torch dot Com slash go v IP, we will 335 00:17:11.160 --> 00:17:16.599 start with We'll go with Nick and Bradleburrow first. Nick, 336 00:17:16.599 --> 00:17:18.759 You're so patient, always waiting for so I'm gonna bring 337 00:17:18.799 --> 00:17:20.960 you on early here and get your thoughts on things. 338 00:17:21.920 --> 00:17:23.599 Go ahead, Nick, what do you think of dynamite tonight? 339 00:17:24.680 --> 00:17:24.880 Oh? 340 00:17:25.279 --> 00:17:28.839 Well, thank you for for for for getting me on. Hi, Tyler, 341 00:17:28.880 --> 00:17:31.000 how are you doing. I want to thank you for 342 00:17:31.039 --> 00:17:33.640 all your r O H information. It's really helping me 343 00:17:33.759 --> 00:17:40.759 on my hits and missus Anyway, I want to know 344 00:17:42.119 --> 00:17:48.920 who still makes metal garbage camps? The only use they 345 00:17:48.960 --> 00:17:53.039 have is in wrestling matches. Yeah, there's something to that, 346 00:17:55.440 --> 00:17:57.599 you know, I see you metal garbage can go. Oh 347 00:17:57.720 --> 00:18:03.440 that thing is getting bent. Just I think this show 348 00:18:03.519 --> 00:18:06.920 is great. I thought, you know, yeah, I mean the 349 00:18:07.000 --> 00:18:12.920 last match could turn some people off. It's not my superstyle, 350 00:18:13.559 --> 00:18:16.119 but I can take it now and then, especially with 351 00:18:16.200 --> 00:18:19.519 someone like Moxie Moxley, who you know that's his thing. 352 00:18:20.599 --> 00:18:25.079 And I'll really compliment aw because when they did the 353 00:18:25.119 --> 00:18:29.759 split screen, I refused to call it picture and picture. 354 00:18:30.880 --> 00:18:35.640 It was during that was mostly the time Moxley was 355 00:18:35.680 --> 00:18:39.000 setting up the tables, he was throwing chairs into the ring. 356 00:18:39.279 --> 00:18:42.880 He was It was kind of like they used that 357 00:18:43.480 --> 00:18:47.279 moment to do all the stuff, to get stuff set up, 358 00:18:47.480 --> 00:18:51.559 and then they got right back right before he jumped 359 00:18:51.599 --> 00:18:54.039 and he squished his ankle in the in the chair. 360 00:18:54.160 --> 00:18:57.200 So it's like, you know, it was it was perfect. 361 00:18:57.240 --> 00:18:59.440 That's the that's what she should use a commercial break 362 00:18:59.480 --> 00:19:03.960 for the crowd still into it. But you as the viewer, 363 00:19:04.160 --> 00:19:08.400 aren't really missing anything super super serious. I just thought 364 00:19:08.440 --> 00:19:11.559 I thought the whole show was just they took it 365 00:19:11.680 --> 00:19:13.720 up and down. I just thought it was I thought 366 00:19:13.720 --> 00:19:14.240 it was great. 367 00:19:14.920 --> 00:19:17.759 They are getting better at what they do. I mean, 368 00:19:17.759 --> 00:19:20.079 that's just, you know, a year and a half ago, 369 00:19:20.160 --> 00:19:22.559 they weren't as good as they are now at doing 370 00:19:22.559 --> 00:19:25.079 a live TV show with all the little things that 371 00:19:25.559 --> 00:19:29.519 WWE has mastered and polished to a point of it 372 00:19:29.599 --> 00:19:33.240 seeming sterile, you know, and two formulaic that is not 373 00:19:33.319 --> 00:19:34.440 an aw problem. 374 00:19:35.319 --> 00:19:36.279 And they made this. 375 00:19:36.640 --> 00:19:38.759 You know, they make a lot of things work that 376 00:19:38.839 --> 00:19:41.240 were clunky. You know that we would have been pointing 377 00:19:41.279 --> 00:19:43.319 out a year and a half ago, Tyler, There's there's more, 378 00:19:43.960 --> 00:19:46.039 you know, there's there's more elbow grease put into some 379 00:19:46.039 --> 00:19:48.240 of the between match segments. There's more pizazz in terms 380 00:19:48.279 --> 00:19:50.519 of the presentation of the product, but they haven't sacrificed 381 00:19:50.960 --> 00:19:53.720 the other stuff, you know, the promos and the matches 382 00:19:53.720 --> 00:19:54.480 in the angles. 383 00:19:54.960 --> 00:19:57.480 Yeah, I agree, And just on you next point on 384 00:19:58.559 --> 00:20:02.160 using the commercial break, I mean, it's it's formulaic in 385 00:20:02.200 --> 00:20:04.400 a good way that AW typically does the kind of 386 00:20:04.480 --> 00:20:07.880 slow you know, like for example, another example and I 387 00:20:08.200 --> 00:20:11.279 the Blade did most of his uh you know, offense 388 00:20:11.759 --> 00:20:13.519 during a break, and then as soon as they came 389 00:20:13.559 --> 00:20:15.519 back from break, Orange Cassidy got his comeback and the 390 00:20:15.559 --> 00:20:18.680 crowd popped, and it just makes the show feel a 391 00:20:18.720 --> 00:20:23.119 lot more lively. And uh yeah, it just just those 392 00:20:23.160 --> 00:20:26.039 little things work really well. And having set the you know, 393 00:20:26.119 --> 00:20:28.359 promo packages right before the break to get you excited 394 00:20:28.359 --> 00:20:31.200 for the following week, and just setting up matches week 395 00:20:31.200 --> 00:20:34.960 in and week out effectively, it's just uh yeah, it's 396 00:20:35.079 --> 00:20:36.000 good stuff by then. 397 00:20:36.240 --> 00:20:37.599 Yeah, Nick, back to you. 398 00:20:39.440 --> 00:20:39.680 Yeah. 399 00:20:39.759 --> 00:20:45.880 The I also, I'm really happy they got Travo to 400 00:20:45.960 --> 00:20:52.240 be with Andrade now. And it's i whether they originally thought, Okay, 401 00:20:52.359 --> 00:20:54.559 Vicky's the one and this is going to be great, 402 00:20:54.759 --> 00:20:57.319 or they changed, you know, they jumped off one horse 403 00:20:57.359 --> 00:21:02.359 and jumped onto another mid stream. It works because he's 404 00:21:02.400 --> 00:21:06.720 a guerrero. I mean, it just it it brings in 405 00:21:06.799 --> 00:21:12.599 someone much better for Andra da without. Oh, we made 406 00:21:12.599 --> 00:21:15.079 a big mistake with Vicky. We gotta we gotta make it, 407 00:21:15.240 --> 00:21:18.960 make a big change. And I agree with you completely 408 00:21:19.039 --> 00:21:22.559 that whole segment the Spanish. I'm not a Spanish speaker, 409 00:21:23.160 --> 00:21:25.559 it didn't bother me. I thought it was kind of 410 00:21:25.599 --> 00:21:28.720 cool that because they're in Texas, probably a quarter to 411 00:21:28.799 --> 00:21:32.680 a half of that audience speaks Spanish or at least 412 00:21:32.680 --> 00:21:36.559 some Spanish, so that they got a reaction to the 413 00:21:36.640 --> 00:21:39.680 pure Spanish from the from part of the audience. So 414 00:21:39.799 --> 00:21:41.839 you were like, Okay, I don't know what he said, 415 00:21:41.880 --> 00:21:47.559 but it was something cool because and then they had 416 00:21:47.599 --> 00:21:52.160 the guy, and then they had uh Penta's guy translate, 417 00:21:53.200 --> 00:21:56.240 and Androtte got most of what he needed to say 418 00:21:56.400 --> 00:22:02.519 out in his style, and he actually kind of seemed 419 00:22:02.519 --> 00:22:05.599 to own it. Yeh that he Okay, I'm not the 420 00:22:05.640 --> 00:22:09.720 best English speaker, but it doesn't matter because I'm Andrade 421 00:22:09.920 --> 00:22:12.440 l L L eat alone, you know. I mean, it's 422 00:22:12.519 --> 00:22:17.000 just I thought that was great and Chavo in a 423 00:22:17.079 --> 00:22:19.359 nice suit. I just think I think it was. I 424 00:22:19.359 --> 00:22:25.599 thought it was a perfect transitioning andrade up the ladder 425 00:22:25.599 --> 00:22:26.160 a little. 426 00:22:25.960 --> 00:22:31.160 Bit is Uh, how would you explain Tyler the face 427 00:22:31.200 --> 00:22:35.359 heel dynamic in that segment where is it a pickum? 428 00:22:35.519 --> 00:22:35.759 Is it? 429 00:22:35.880 --> 00:22:37.559 Or are we being steered in a real direction? 430 00:22:39.079 --> 00:22:43.119 Yeah, I mean I think Andred is is pretty solidly 431 00:22:43.640 --> 00:22:48.160 the heel. Now, Tavo did give me big keel manager 432 00:22:48.279 --> 00:22:50.720 vibes which went in there. It was like, wow, you 433 00:22:50.759 --> 00:22:54.759 remember me, This is great. I don't think that was all. 434 00:22:54.680 --> 00:22:55.920 The talents unbelievable. 435 00:22:56.000 --> 00:22:56.640 You guys are great. 436 00:22:56.720 --> 00:22:59.480 Yeah, like that weird, a weird way to get heal heat. 437 00:23:00.039 --> 00:23:02.160 That was and that was my point, like, you know, 438 00:23:02.200 --> 00:23:03.920 bailing out of the ring at the end, clearly on 439 00:23:04.079 --> 00:23:05.799 RAIDI is a heel the way he's cocky. You should 440 00:23:05.799 --> 00:23:08.000 be listening to me. And they're like, you know, we're not, 441 00:23:08.319 --> 00:23:10.039 you know, Pak saying they don't work for me. 442 00:23:10.160 --> 00:23:10.799 We're a family. 443 00:23:10.839 --> 00:23:13.079 I mean, it's it's such a What I loved about that, 444 00:23:13.640 --> 00:23:17.559 except for Chavo, was the clear heel face dynamic, Like 445 00:23:17.599 --> 00:23:19.720 I don't want Pawk to be a tweeener. I don't 446 00:23:19.720 --> 00:23:22.160 want penton Ry Phoenix to be like well, it's circumstantial 447 00:23:22.200 --> 00:23:24.799 depending on who they're who they're facing. I like, give 448 00:23:24.880 --> 00:23:28.440 me clear cut reasons, because that's what's fun. It's it's 449 00:23:28.440 --> 00:23:30.680 I mean, yes, cheering wildly for spots and big moments. 450 00:23:30.720 --> 00:23:32.359 Of course, that's a great part of pro wrestling. But 451 00:23:32.799 --> 00:23:34.759 I want to have I want to like some people 452 00:23:34.759 --> 00:23:36.640 and dislike some people, just like when I watch sports, 453 00:23:36.640 --> 00:23:38.480 and this gata to me. I asked you because the 454 00:23:38.559 --> 00:23:40.240 Chavo thing did throw it off a little, and I 455 00:23:40.279 --> 00:23:45.599 want Chavo can be a really effective, annoying, cloying, annoying, 456 00:23:46.119 --> 00:23:50.240 whiny heel. He's not the coolest guy, and Androtti's like 457 00:23:50.319 --> 00:23:53.440 the coolest guy, So I'm not one hundred percent sold 458 00:23:53.480 --> 00:23:55.759 on Chavo yet either, other than relative to Vicki, it's 459 00:23:55.759 --> 00:23:58.160 it's an upgrade. I want to see how he kind 460 00:23:58.160 --> 00:24:01.480 of matures into this and it isn't just sort of 461 00:24:01.519 --> 00:24:05.279 the kind of plane speaking, you know, whatever, whatever he 462 00:24:05.440 --> 00:24:08.119 was before. Like, I want to know what actually has 463 00:24:08.119 --> 00:24:11.119 I get. They're trying to make Andrada, you know, build 464 00:24:11.160 --> 00:24:14.279 on the Guerrero history, and there's so much of what 465 00:24:14.400 --> 00:24:17.440 Tony Kahan, you know, lived through the Monight War era 466 00:24:17.559 --> 00:24:20.039 and beyond, and he really wants to kind of recreate 467 00:24:20.079 --> 00:24:21.039 special moments like that. 468 00:24:21.119 --> 00:24:21.519 I get it. 469 00:24:21.559 --> 00:24:24.599 I think it's smart to a degree, but I want 470 00:24:24.640 --> 00:24:27.599 to see Chavo grow into this spot as opposed to 471 00:24:27.640 --> 00:24:29.599 oh my god, you remember being I'm so happy to 472 00:24:29.640 --> 00:24:31.279 be here and you guys are great, which is kind 473 00:24:31.279 --> 00:24:31.960 of the vibe I got. 474 00:24:33.039 --> 00:24:36.880 Yeah, I agree, and I have similar reservations on Chavo 475 00:24:36.960 --> 00:24:39.759 in general, but we'll see. You know, I don't know. 476 00:24:39.759 --> 00:24:41.720 If it's not working, maybe they can do where Andrade is, 477 00:24:41.839 --> 00:24:44.920 you know, treat him unwell and then I don't know 478 00:24:44.920 --> 00:24:47.400 what you do with him after that. But uh yeah, 479 00:24:47.440 --> 00:24:49.039 I think it'll be a week by weekend and this 480 00:24:49.079 --> 00:24:51.400 is definitely a course correction that needed to happen, so 481 00:24:52.279 --> 00:24:53.720 I think he'll get the benefit of doubt for at 482 00:24:53.759 --> 00:24:55.640 least a couple of weeks because he's not Vicky. So 483 00:24:56.720 --> 00:24:58.839 you know, I think AW has showing the ability to 484 00:24:59.000 --> 00:25:02.319 pivot and either use characters or repackage them in a 485 00:25:02.359 --> 00:25:05.960 way that that uses them to the best capacity. So 486 00:25:06.720 --> 00:25:08.920 we'll see where it goes. But you know, I give 487 00:25:08.960 --> 00:25:10.839 them the benefit of the data at this point. With 488 00:25:10.839 --> 00:25:13.240 with with the characters that they introduced. 489 00:25:12.839 --> 00:25:15.279 Well, Tyler, would you rather have chav will come out 490 00:25:15.480 --> 00:25:18.519 and be like, thank you everybody for remembering me. 491 00:25:19.279 --> 00:25:21.960 I bet you think I'm grateful, but I'm not. 492 00:25:22.119 --> 00:25:23.640 I don't care about it any you know, Like and 493 00:25:23.759 --> 00:25:26.599 Pivot's just immediately from that that star reaction A, He's 494 00:25:26.640 --> 00:25:30.240 back to don't even think for a second that I 495 00:25:30.279 --> 00:25:32.240 care what you think about me. Like, just go a 496 00:25:32.319 --> 00:25:34.039 heel on him. I mean, the fans would love it. 497 00:25:34.119 --> 00:25:36.519 They'd laugh, they'd smile, and then they boo for fun 498 00:25:37.960 --> 00:25:40.039 like I would have done that. Like that's the only 499 00:25:40.119 --> 00:25:43.119 thing about the segment that you know, I don't know. 500 00:25:43.160 --> 00:25:44.319 I mean, we can see where they go with him, 501 00:25:44.319 --> 00:25:46.880 but I don't think there's a lot that Chavo did 502 00:25:46.920 --> 00:25:51.160 to help the dynamic other than he can be the 503 00:25:51.240 --> 00:25:53.880 English speaking version of what Andrade just said. 504 00:25:54.960 --> 00:25:57.160 Yeah, no, I agree, And I think you know, if 505 00:25:57.200 --> 00:25:59.519 I were giving him bullet points, not scripting him, I 506 00:25:59.519 --> 00:26:01.720 would tell him to, you know, be like, oh, this 507 00:26:01.799 --> 00:26:04.279 is the big you never cheer for me like this before, 508 00:26:04.359 --> 00:26:06.599 so thanks for finally doing it, and then like turn 509 00:26:06.680 --> 00:26:08.519 on him that way that he never got the respect 510 00:26:08.559 --> 00:26:10.960 he deserved, and then Dry gives him respect and go 511 00:26:11.079 --> 00:26:12.799 that whole angle and turn to do a heal instantly, 512 00:26:12.839 --> 00:26:15.640 I think would have been much better course, because you know, 513 00:26:15.640 --> 00:26:17.799 it's been so long since it's been a major character 514 00:26:17.880 --> 00:26:21.119 on you know, wrestling television, that you could basically establish 515 00:26:21.200 --> 00:26:23.200 him instantly as that kind of character and it would 516 00:26:23.240 --> 00:26:26.000 work and we'd have memories of him. But this new 517 00:26:26.039 --> 00:26:28.799 character would be establish pretty quickly. And I think, you know, 518 00:26:28.839 --> 00:26:30.599 they'll have to do that next week or the week after, 519 00:26:30.640 --> 00:26:32.480 and then it'll feel a little foreign and then we'll 520 00:26:32.759 --> 00:26:35.200 and then we'll finally accept it four weeks from now. 521 00:26:35.240 --> 00:26:36.839 But yeah, kind of an odd. 522 00:26:36.599 --> 00:26:38.519 Start on Nick anything else for us. 523 00:26:38.920 --> 00:26:43.119 Yeah, just I think it's it's a great battle for 524 00:26:43.240 --> 00:26:47.720 Andrade to be in because he can have If you 525 00:26:47.880 --> 00:26:53.319 do two matches each, you've got six matches against great 526 00:26:53.960 --> 00:26:58.440 opponents for him, all of all four you know who 527 00:26:58.519 --> 00:27:04.480 can move and and just you know, they all seem 528 00:27:04.640 --> 00:27:08.319 to lay it in pretty hard. And it's just I'm 529 00:27:08.359 --> 00:27:11.759 just excited about seeing that whole dynamic work out and 530 00:27:11.920 --> 00:27:16.200 seeing the fights. I mean, I uh, it's just going 531 00:27:16.279 --> 00:27:20.599 to be fun to watch. And uh, I think as 532 00:27:20.640 --> 00:27:24.039 long as the a W keeps promoting fights ahead of time 533 00:27:25.519 --> 00:27:28.640 so that you know what you might be getting, I'll 534 00:27:28.640 --> 00:27:33.480 appreciate that, unlike all the surprises you get on WWE 535 00:27:33.480 --> 00:27:38.599 that that it's like, huh what who? I wasn't expecting that, 536 00:27:38.839 --> 00:27:39.079 you know. 537 00:27:40.440 --> 00:27:44.160 But they're not putting they're not putting them out there 538 00:27:44.200 --> 00:27:47.960 in the ring to have good matches. They're they're they 539 00:27:47.960 --> 00:27:49.839 know they can have good matches, and they will have 540 00:27:49.880 --> 00:27:55.319 good matches, and that's awesome. But they're giving them this storyline, 541 00:27:55.319 --> 00:27:59.160 this backstory that feels real and it feels relatable. So 542 00:27:59.319 --> 00:28:02.279 now they're more to it than just look at those 543 00:28:02.359 --> 00:28:07.039 cool moves, because that's not enough, Like it's I want it. 544 00:28:07.079 --> 00:28:08.680 I want it to be part of every you know, 545 00:28:08.920 --> 00:28:11.839 just about every you know feud, like yeah, good good 546 00:28:12.079 --> 00:28:14.880 more than confident wrestlers, excellent athletes doing great work, but 547 00:28:15.279 --> 00:28:17.880 don't say, well, the smaller guys who do great wrestling, 548 00:28:17.920 --> 00:28:19.680 we'll just put out there to kind of give fans 549 00:28:19.839 --> 00:28:21.720 like that at dose, but then we'll give these other 550 00:28:21.759 --> 00:28:24.160 people the real good promos like no, you can actually 551 00:28:24.200 --> 00:28:26.720 combine those two things, And it seems like that is 552 00:28:26.720 --> 00:28:29.720 what they're doing here. They're they're building on Andreiday's cool 553 00:28:29.799 --> 00:28:33.599 factor and presence and finding a way to support to 554 00:28:33.640 --> 00:28:35.960 support him and make the fact that he's not speaking 555 00:28:35.960 --> 00:28:39.319 English cool and part of his gimmick or not, not 556 00:28:39.359 --> 00:28:41.640 that he's not speaking any but that it's not his strength, 557 00:28:41.920 --> 00:28:44.240 that that doesn't seem like something that he now has 558 00:28:44.279 --> 00:28:47.519 to feel insecure about. And in WWE, it's just it 559 00:28:47.640 --> 00:28:51.400 sucked out the bravado that he had because he felt 560 00:28:51.440 --> 00:28:53.720 self conscious because of the position he was put in, 561 00:28:53.759 --> 00:28:55.160 and that is not the case now. 562 00:28:55.720 --> 00:28:58.759 Yep, yeah, I agree with you, and that's all I got. 563 00:28:58.839 --> 00:29:01.119 I just it was a great Oh, I guess I really, 564 00:29:01.200 --> 00:29:03.880 I thoroughly had a great two hours. 565 00:29:04.279 --> 00:29:05.640 Awesome, thanks and I appreciate it. 566 00:29:07.160 --> 00:29:08.440 All right, byebye, yeh, take care. 567 00:29:11.279 --> 00:29:15.079 Hey everyone, longtime PW torch commist Sean radikin here to 568 00:29:15.160 --> 00:29:18.359 let you know I've rebamped and renewed the Raticant Worldwide 569 00:29:18.359 --> 00:29:23.119 podcast for twenty twenty six, a weekly VIP exclusive. Every week, 570 00:29:23.240 --> 00:29:25.559 I break down four or five of the biggest trending 571 00:29:25.599 --> 00:29:29.599 topics in pro wrestling. I also present my analysis, providing 572 00:29:29.640 --> 00:29:32.480 insight that helps you understand the story better or see 573 00:29:32.480 --> 00:29:35.559 it another way. Then maybe is the controversial takeout there? 574 00:29:35.720 --> 00:29:37.920 Then I bring on a special guest for the second 575 00:29:37.960 --> 00:29:41.000 half of the podcast. Sometimes it's a wrestler or someone 576 00:29:41.000 --> 00:29:43.319 else who works in the business. Other times it's a 577 00:29:43.319 --> 00:29:46.400 guest analyst who brings their specialized point of view at 578 00:29:46.440 --> 00:29:48.000 a particular key topic. 579 00:29:47.759 --> 00:29:48.359 In the news. 580 00:29:48.799 --> 00:29:52.200 Recent guests have included Bronson Reid from WWE and PCO. 581 00:29:52.480 --> 00:29:55.319 One of my areas of specialty is the Japan wrestling scene, 582 00:29:55.359 --> 00:29:57.640 so I often cover a big topic from Japan with 583 00:29:57.720 --> 00:30:01.960 PW Torch's own Alan Farrell, Kelly Wells, and Chris Lansdell. 584 00:30:02.240 --> 00:30:04.480 I don't just cover the news. I don't just riff 585 00:30:04.519 --> 00:30:06.680 on the news or give a standard hot take. I'll 586 00:30:06.720 --> 00:30:09.480 bring my decades of studying this industry and talking one 587 00:30:09.519 --> 00:30:12.519 on one with dozens of rest and promoters to each 588 00:30:12.559 --> 00:30:15.759 week's show, so you understand not just what's happening, but 589 00:30:15.839 --> 00:30:18.799 the context of why get ahead of the news, get 590 00:30:18.799 --> 00:30:22.480 ahead of the pack with racking worldwide only at PW 591 00:30:22.559 --> 00:30:23.680 Torch VIP. 592 00:30:30.000 --> 00:30:33.880 Let's go to Hitting in London, Ontario. Next, go Ahead Hidden. 593 00:30:34.519 --> 00:30:35.720 What do you think of Dynamite tonight? 594 00:30:36.400 --> 00:30:40.240 So just a contra point to the main event. This 595 00:30:40.359 --> 00:30:44.000 is exactly the sort of match that made me stay 596 00:30:44.039 --> 00:30:44.720 away from. 597 00:30:44.559 --> 00:30:45.759 A lot of other promotions. 598 00:30:45.799 --> 00:30:48.279 And let me just say I don't mind Violin matches, 599 00:30:49.079 --> 00:30:52.640 Randy Orton versus Make Foley, Triple H versus Make Foley, 600 00:30:52.680 --> 00:30:55.599 make Fully versus Edge. Those are all still matches I 601 00:30:55.680 --> 00:30:58.400 go back and I enjoy from time to time. But 602 00:30:59.440 --> 00:31:02.119 this match, and I think I said it last week 603 00:31:02.160 --> 00:31:05.160 as well, didn't have a story. And this is one 604 00:31:05.160 --> 00:31:08.799 of w This one of aw's flaws that continues is 605 00:31:08.920 --> 00:31:11.880 something they haven't corrected, is they'll give you this, They'll 606 00:31:11.920 --> 00:31:14.039 give you a match like Baker versus Rosa, with a 607 00:31:14.160 --> 00:31:17.359 very poorly told story for that one. This and in 608 00:31:17.359 --> 00:31:20.519 this one, almost zero story for a title that belongs 609 00:31:20.559 --> 00:31:23.799 to another promotion. Now I'm not trying to, you know, 610 00:31:24.200 --> 00:31:28.039 be contrarian or needlessly trash AW because Dynamite is the 611 00:31:28.079 --> 00:31:31.759 only show I watch and or at least week to week, 612 00:31:32.079 --> 00:31:34.200 but just imagine what this match could have been had 613 00:31:34.240 --> 00:31:38.240 there been some good Mike Foley level storytelling For weeks 614 00:31:38.279 --> 00:31:42.160 on end within AW Cannon, like the only story was, hey, 615 00:31:42.160 --> 00:31:44.720 remember the death match. They had another promotion that did 616 00:31:44.720 --> 00:31:46.880 an air on any of the same television networks that 617 00:31:46.960 --> 00:31:49.839 the current fan base is used to right so frankly, 618 00:31:50.279 --> 00:31:52.160 I mean I when it began, I went for a 619 00:31:52.200 --> 00:31:55.119 bathroom break. Then I came back. I did get into 620 00:31:56.240 --> 00:32:00.160 the match like I would a generic spotfest, But then 621 00:32:00.200 --> 00:32:03.440 I thought, do I really want to see any of 622 00:32:03.480 --> 00:32:06.200 them get their rast's kick right now? Do I feel 623 00:32:06.240 --> 00:32:09.079 for Lance Archer or John Moxy the way I felt 624 00:32:09.480 --> 00:32:12.000 for Triple Agent that I want to see this asshole 625 00:32:12.119 --> 00:32:14.960 just get his ass kick, Just drive him into thumbtacks 626 00:32:15.039 --> 00:32:17.400 or you know, root on Mick Buley. You know, I 627 00:32:17.440 --> 00:32:20.319 don't want him to retire, et cetera. I wasn't feeling that. 628 00:32:20.359 --> 00:32:21.599 I'm like, Okay, match is over. 629 00:32:21.720 --> 00:32:22.319 He lost a. 630 00:32:22.319 --> 00:32:28.359 Title that I don't really care about. So yeah, I 631 00:32:28.359 --> 00:32:30.440 know I should tell about someone more acquainted with New 632 00:32:30.519 --> 00:32:31.759 Japan explain. 633 00:32:32.240 --> 00:32:34.559 Well, that's no, no, your your your your point of 634 00:32:34.640 --> 00:32:37.160 view is valuable. You don't you don't have to defer 635 00:32:37.240 --> 00:32:39.119 to somebody who has watched a bunch of New Japan 636 00:32:39.160 --> 00:32:42.039 to have the feelings you had. They trust me, ae 637 00:32:42.079 --> 00:32:46.480 W and TNT do not only want people who know 638 00:32:46.640 --> 00:32:48.960 and are familiar with and love New Japan to watch Dynamite, 639 00:32:49.400 --> 00:32:54.079 So your point of view is absolutely essential to their growth. 640 00:32:54.319 --> 00:32:56.160 So ty I've got something to say to that. But Tyler, 641 00:32:56.200 --> 00:32:57.240 I want to get your take first. 642 00:32:58.119 --> 00:33:00.640 Yeah, and I think you know all your points two, 643 00:33:00.839 --> 00:33:03.440 I would just say that you know the matches you 644 00:33:03.440 --> 00:33:06.400 were referring to or you know, big pay per V 645 00:33:06.559 --> 00:33:10.359 matches that were kind of the keystone of the company 646 00:33:10.359 --> 00:33:13.079 at that time, and this is this was a match 647 00:33:13.519 --> 00:33:15.079 that you know made event a TV, but it was 648 00:33:15.079 --> 00:33:17.880 for a belt that you know, it's not part of 649 00:33:17.920 --> 00:33:21.160 this company. If if John Moxley was AW World Champion, 650 00:33:21.920 --> 00:33:23.599 I think this match would have had that build up 651 00:33:23.640 --> 00:33:25.599 if if he was going to drop it. So I 652 00:33:25.640 --> 00:33:28.880 just think it's it's you know, what the match needed 653 00:33:28.880 --> 00:33:31.000 to be. And an AW style right now is to 654 00:33:31.599 --> 00:33:34.319 put on like a lot of top tier matchups that 655 00:33:34.440 --> 00:33:37.039 don't have a great story week by week. I mean, 656 00:33:37.039 --> 00:33:39.640 for example, Malachi Black and Cody Rhodes is going to 657 00:33:39.680 --> 00:33:42.119 be on TV and in two weeks or through whatever 658 00:33:42.160 --> 00:33:43.240 it is, and I thought that was going to be 659 00:33:43.240 --> 00:33:45.200 it all out you know, probably still will be. But 660 00:33:45.640 --> 00:33:48.160 I think it just depends on you know, what you're 661 00:33:48.200 --> 00:33:50.039 looking for. And I don't think this match was ever 662 00:33:50.400 --> 00:33:52.680 booked to be a great story that people are gonna 663 00:33:52.640 --> 00:33:55.599 remember for a long time. It's more of a you know, 664 00:33:55.720 --> 00:33:58.200 people talking about the match after the show being like Wow, 665 00:33:58.200 --> 00:33:59.799 that was a crazy match for TV, and then we'll 666 00:33:59.839 --> 00:34:02.480 kind of kind of fade off in the memory it 667 00:34:02.559 --> 00:34:05.079 was kind of the plan. That's just kind of my 668 00:34:05.079 --> 00:34:06.799 my vibe on is that this is just a way 669 00:34:06.839 --> 00:34:09.599 to keep a hot product week in and week out 670 00:34:09.599 --> 00:34:13.039 by having matches that are exciting but maybe don't have 671 00:34:13.079 --> 00:34:14.599 the greatest story going into it because they don't have 672 00:34:14.599 --> 00:34:17.480 time to build those that many matches over and over again. 673 00:34:17.559 --> 00:34:19.039 But Wade, what was your tape? 674 00:34:19.239 --> 00:34:19.400 Yeah? 675 00:34:19.440 --> 00:34:22.000 Yeah, I think that this was a TV made event. 676 00:34:23.119 --> 00:34:27.519 This wasn't a major pay per view match. And what 677 00:34:27.639 --> 00:34:30.360 I like about Dynamite in contrast to w is not 678 00:34:30.400 --> 00:34:33.039 everybody who faces everybody is wrestling each other because there's 679 00:34:33.480 --> 00:34:36.679 a personal feud that's long running and has multiple matches. 680 00:34:36.760 --> 00:34:41.000 This I like the variety of reasons that we see 681 00:34:41.039 --> 00:34:44.800 matches in AW and it's like in w TOBE, there's like, 682 00:34:45.119 --> 00:34:46.559 I don't know, I'd have to sit down and like 683 00:34:46.599 --> 00:34:48.000 think there's a real little more, but it feels like 684 00:34:48.000 --> 00:34:50.559 probably eighty percent of them happen because they're a major 685 00:34:50.599 --> 00:34:53.280 they're involved in a major feud that will culminate at 686 00:34:53.320 --> 00:34:57.400 a pay per view, and fifteen percent is some other 687 00:34:58.039 --> 00:35:00.719 title title match, but not a few of some kind 688 00:35:01.119 --> 00:35:03.639 and five percent is like, you know, just to humiliate somebody. 689 00:35:04.719 --> 00:35:07.840 And with AW, it's like there's like, you know, probably 690 00:35:07.880 --> 00:35:10.239 six or seven main reasons matches take place are pretty 691 00:35:10.239 --> 00:35:14.400 evenly divided. Some of them are intense feuds. Sometimes it's 692 00:35:14.480 --> 00:35:16.960 up just a contendership match or a showcase match, or 693 00:35:17.239 --> 00:35:20.199 it's there to let somebody shine a little bit against 694 00:35:20.280 --> 00:35:23.280 somebody who also gets in you know, some spot sometimes 695 00:35:23.280 --> 00:35:25.920 too many, but in the end it's there to kind 696 00:35:25.920 --> 00:35:28.280 of feature with the star, and it's a backdrop and 697 00:35:28.320 --> 00:35:31.199 a buffer between other matches. Like my point is, there's 698 00:35:31.320 --> 00:35:34.679 lots of reasons matches happen. And one of the things 699 00:35:34.679 --> 00:35:37.039 about the AW brand that I like that is an 700 00:35:37.079 --> 00:35:41.199 adjustment and I'm I'm a voice often on the other 701 00:35:41.280 --> 00:35:43.719 side saying AW, be careful that you don't make people 702 00:35:43.719 --> 00:35:46.840 feel excluded from this special club that a lot of 703 00:35:46.880 --> 00:35:49.280 hardcore fans take great pride in. Who are the first 704 00:35:49.320 --> 00:35:51.320 to wear Bullet Club T shirts before every dork was 705 00:35:51.320 --> 00:35:53.760 wearing them, you know, whatever their attitude is about that, 706 00:35:53.800 --> 00:35:55.920 they're always on the cutting edge. They're the Bellweather fans, 707 00:35:55.960 --> 00:35:58.760 the influencers, the cool kids at the lunch, you know, 708 00:35:58.960 --> 00:36:02.840 the cool lunch table. Aw sometimes caters to them in 709 00:36:02.880 --> 00:36:04.840 a way that I think does make others feel excluded. 710 00:36:04.920 --> 00:36:06.480 So I have to be careful about that. And I 711 00:36:06.519 --> 00:36:07.159 bring that up. 712 00:36:07.119 --> 00:36:10.679 Because I think it's a legit hindrance to their growth 713 00:36:11.119 --> 00:36:13.440 at times, or you know, I think it has been 714 00:36:13.639 --> 00:36:17.159 and it could continue to be. However, sometimes you don't 715 00:36:17.199 --> 00:36:19.079 need to know everything to know this is a big 716 00:36:19.079 --> 00:36:22.199 deal and it's cool and there's something at stake here 717 00:36:22.400 --> 00:36:26.519 because there's five to fifteen thousand people going absolutely that'tch 718 00:36:26.519 --> 00:36:29.719 you crazy for it, and they go balls out and 719 00:36:29.760 --> 00:36:33.280 they're cool characters and they're battling over a championship that 720 00:36:33.320 --> 00:36:35.320 you don't know a lot about. But the announcers have 721 00:36:35.440 --> 00:36:37.800 enough credibility with you that if they tell you it's important, 722 00:36:37.800 --> 00:36:39.559 then there's a history to it. You're like, all right, 723 00:36:39.599 --> 00:36:41.480 i'll watch. And that's why I feel about, you know, 724 00:36:41.480 --> 00:36:43.400 a college basketball game now and then on a rainy, 725 00:36:43.559 --> 00:36:46.159 you know, Saturday afternoon, like, well, I don't really know, 726 00:36:46.320 --> 00:36:47.920 I don't even know where this college is, and I'm 727 00:36:47.920 --> 00:36:49.880 not a huge college basketball fan. But if the crowd's 728 00:36:49.920 --> 00:36:52.679 going crazy and I hear an announcer voice, I trust 729 00:36:53.079 --> 00:36:54.800 I'll get into it, especially if it's like, you know, 730 00:36:54.920 --> 00:36:58.440 the fourth quarter and it's close. So to me, it's 731 00:36:58.519 --> 00:37:01.000 like I like that a you. But it is an 732 00:37:01.000 --> 00:37:06.039 adjustment because it's different that matches happen for different reasons 733 00:37:06.320 --> 00:37:10.199 and not just mostly one reason. And if it's a 734 00:37:10.199 --> 00:37:12.039 good match and the characters of charism and the crowd 735 00:37:12.079 --> 00:37:13.719 super into it, I think you can get away with it. 736 00:37:13.760 --> 00:37:15.000 So that's kind of my framing of it. 737 00:37:15.079 --> 00:37:19.719 Hidden I would I would concede that if it wasn't 738 00:37:19.760 --> 00:37:23.400 a Texas deathmatch. I just don't. Yeah, I just don't 739 00:37:23.440 --> 00:37:27.079 see any reason for this speaking of death match, like takeaway, Fine, 740 00:37:27.159 --> 00:37:31.320 if you want unique competitors, two charismatic individuals competing for 741 00:37:31.360 --> 00:37:34.480 a foreign title, which is you know, still a prestigious 742 00:37:34.480 --> 00:37:37.760 title like I've seen Russell Kingdom shows like that. They 743 00:37:37.840 --> 00:37:40.119 do a good job. But I don't follow the product, 744 00:37:40.519 --> 00:37:43.079 you know, as closely as I need to, and I 745 00:37:43.159 --> 00:37:44.840 just don't get away it's a death match. But like 746 00:37:45.119 --> 00:37:46.920 for a death match, I want to see I want 747 00:37:46.920 --> 00:37:49.440 to be able to feel like I'm emotionally invested in 748 00:37:49.480 --> 00:37:52.039 I just wasn't emotionally invested in this. And Monsley is 749 00:37:52.079 --> 00:37:56.599 my favorite wrestler of the past, probably decade or so, 750 00:37:56.880 --> 00:38:00.599 and I don't know, but anyway, I'll think I've said 751 00:38:00.639 --> 00:38:02.480 my piece on it. I want to move on to 752 00:38:02.599 --> 00:38:08.079 the UH to another similar related point. What are your 753 00:38:08.280 --> 00:38:13.119 early thoughts on Wheeler Utub from a character standpoint? I 754 00:38:13.159 --> 00:38:15.239 don't know who he is. I mainly just know him 755 00:38:15.239 --> 00:38:19.960 from reading the the Dark reports on the Torch. I 756 00:38:20.000 --> 00:38:27.360 don't know why he's suddenly friends with Orange Cassidy and yeah, 757 00:38:28.400 --> 00:38:31.239 Calbert says he's the protege of Orange, but I don't 758 00:38:31.239 --> 00:38:33.079 know how much training Orange gives him. And I'm like, 759 00:38:33.239 --> 00:38:37.079 when did Orange become a trainer and when did they meet? 760 00:38:37.440 --> 00:38:41.280 Show me the moment they met, and like his style 761 00:38:41.440 --> 00:38:44.039 is so different from Oranges, but how does this fit? 762 00:38:44.320 --> 00:38:44.760 I don't know? 763 00:38:45.599 --> 00:38:47.639 So what are your What are your thoughts here? 764 00:38:48.199 --> 00:38:49.559 Tyler over? Are you first on that one too? 765 00:38:50.519 --> 00:38:53.880 Yeah? So I've been a fan of Wheeler for I 766 00:38:53.880 --> 00:38:55.639 don't know a few years now, and he was in 767 00:38:55.960 --> 00:38:58.199 when Ring and Wonner came back from the pandemic. He 768 00:38:58.280 --> 00:39:01.519 was in their Pure tournament and worked a couple dates 769 00:39:01.519 --> 00:39:03.239 with them, and they did not sign him, which I 770 00:39:03.280 --> 00:39:05.800 think they should have. So you can go to the 771 00:39:05.840 --> 00:39:08.239 podcast of Honor tomorrow and listen to my thoughts on that. 772 00:39:08.320 --> 00:39:11.000 But yeah, I think he's I think he's really good. 773 00:39:11.000 --> 00:39:14.000 And this he's definitely shoehorned into this because Trent is hurt, 774 00:39:14.159 --> 00:39:16.800 gonna be out for a while, and obviously they wanted 775 00:39:16.800 --> 00:39:20.119 to have the three male members of of the Best Friends, 776 00:39:20.159 --> 00:39:21.719 and he just kind of feels shoehorned in because he's 777 00:39:21.760 --> 00:39:24.199 a good worker. So yeah, I mean, I don't think 778 00:39:24.199 --> 00:39:26.280 there's a lot of good storytelling there and and and 779 00:39:26.480 --> 00:39:29.920 it shows and yeah, I mean I think that's probably 780 00:39:29.960 --> 00:39:32.480 the low marks from a presentation standpoint on the show 781 00:39:33.039 --> 00:39:37.039 is just the presentation of a Wheeler in that story 782 00:39:37.119 --> 00:39:38.800 and then kind of that blade orange cat all of this. 783 00:39:38.840 --> 00:39:40.760 That was kind of the lowest I had on this show. 784 00:39:40.920 --> 00:39:43.360 So I wo'd agree with you that, you know, Wheeler's good. 785 00:39:43.400 --> 00:39:44.840 He's kind of a job to the stars right now 786 00:39:44.880 --> 00:39:46.800 and it gets a couple of spots in and looks athletic, 787 00:39:46.880 --> 00:39:49.519 but you know, he's a guy kind of reminds me 788 00:39:49.519 --> 00:39:51.760 of like Lee Johnson or something that'll lose a bunch 789 00:39:51.800 --> 00:39:53.480 and then and then be with that group and and 790 00:39:53.480 --> 00:39:56.320 and maybe become somebody down the road. But yeah, so 791 00:39:56.480 --> 00:39:58.880 it's it's it's it's not good explanation of just uh, 792 00:39:59.519 --> 00:40:01.000 it's a This is one of the things where don't 793 00:40:01.000 --> 00:40:02.760 even explain it, because that's probably better than trying to 794 00:40:02.800 --> 00:40:05.360 shoehorn it in and explain it when half he announcement 795 00:40:05.440 --> 00:40:06.239 doesn't know what's going on. 796 00:40:06.400 --> 00:40:09.719 So yeah, I think they don't get a great grade 797 00:40:09.760 --> 00:40:13.039 for explaining who he is and why he's hanging out. 798 00:40:13.079 --> 00:40:15.159 I mean the they sort of try and come own. 799 00:40:15.159 --> 00:40:16.519 Now you can see why the best friends want to 800 00:40:16.519 --> 00:40:18.280 hang out with him? What they best friends just want 801 00:40:18.280 --> 00:40:20.880 to hang out with people who are you know, undersized 802 00:40:20.920 --> 00:40:23.920 but fit and athletic. Like what I don't get that? 803 00:40:24.000 --> 00:40:26.360 Like why you know, what is it that we know 804 00:40:26.400 --> 00:40:29.599 about the best friends that makes his ring style something 805 00:40:29.639 --> 00:40:32.360 that would make them then also friends. So yeah, I 806 00:40:32.360 --> 00:40:35.280 mean this is not a strength of aw when they decide, hey, 807 00:40:35.280 --> 00:40:36.960 we want to get this guy some TV time. He's good, 808 00:40:37.159 --> 00:40:40.039 he can give some good matches and he's a small guy, 809 00:40:40.159 --> 00:40:43.039 but he can make he can he can make the 810 00:40:43.119 --> 00:40:47.679 smaller part of the ae W roster not just obviously 811 00:40:47.719 --> 00:40:50.039 seem small, but work their style and keep up and 812 00:40:50.039 --> 00:40:52.800 be competitive. And I think that's why he's there. You know, 813 00:40:52.840 --> 00:40:55.840 he's trustworthy and in the ring and out of it, 814 00:40:55.880 --> 00:40:57.920 and you know whatever, whatever the reasons are that people 815 00:40:58.079 --> 00:41:02.719 end up getting on dynamite and that's there. So yeah, 816 00:41:02.760 --> 00:41:06.000 I mean, but it's it's fine, it could be better. 817 00:41:06.199 --> 00:41:11.119 But sometimes you know, it's not like they're just ignoring 818 00:41:11.199 --> 00:41:13.599 it at all. It's just not a very good explanation. 819 00:41:14.119 --> 00:41:16.159 But I think he's good enough and the story that 820 00:41:16.199 --> 00:41:18.000 they tell with him is good enough that I don't 821 00:41:18.039 --> 00:41:19.760 see it as like a pulling down the show or 822 00:41:19.800 --> 00:41:23.679 anything like that. It's next level coverage that you come 823 00:41:23.719 --> 00:41:26.960 to expect from the PW Torch brand. 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Pull yourself away from 827 00:41:39.119 --> 00:41:41.280 the evacuous social media experience that I know many of 828 00:41:41.280 --> 00:41:44.079 you regret once you get lost in it for minutes, 829 00:41:44.119 --> 00:41:46.320 if not hours at a time, and settle in for 830 00:41:46.519 --> 00:41:54.679 high quality PW Torch branded wrestling coverage. 831 00:41:55.079 --> 00:41:55.519 Hitting A. 832 00:41:56.280 --> 00:41:58.480 Yeah, I want to bring up something that I that 833 00:41:58.519 --> 00:42:01.679 I briefly mentioned last week, but I think today it 834 00:42:01.760 --> 00:42:05.159 applies as well regarding the uh, the Elite and the 835 00:42:05.199 --> 00:42:10.719 Hangman Page and Dark Order segment. So I think, well, 836 00:42:10.719 --> 00:42:13.199 first of all, I thought that, you know, Omega is 837 00:42:13.239 --> 00:42:17.039 getting good heat, which is not something I expected, and 838 00:42:17.039 --> 00:42:19.599 and Page is getting you know, same reactions he got 839 00:42:19.639 --> 00:42:23.639 prior to the pandemic. So I like that. I think 840 00:42:23.719 --> 00:42:26.280 Page has a little bit a little bit ways to 841 00:42:26.320 --> 00:42:28.079 go in terms of mic work, but I think you'll 842 00:42:28.119 --> 00:42:32.320 get there. My problem, I think is there are too 843 00:42:32.360 --> 00:42:36.800 many Dark Order members and they aren't exactly jobbers either, 844 00:42:36.920 --> 00:42:39.840 Like they're not on the level of the social outcasts 845 00:42:39.599 --> 00:42:42.800 in in WW a few years back, like they you know, 846 00:42:42.840 --> 00:42:48.519 they've challenged for championships before. So like the Elite, I 847 00:42:48.599 --> 00:42:53.320 feel just aren't having enough moments to get enough heat 848 00:42:53.840 --> 00:42:58.000 or enough you know, or generating enough sympathy for Hangman 849 00:42:58.119 --> 00:43:01.519 Page with you know, beat down or something like that. 850 00:43:01.519 --> 00:43:03.679 That Dark Order just kind of runs out like this 851 00:43:03.920 --> 00:43:07.760 giant army, like like they're like and they's so you know, 852 00:43:07.800 --> 00:43:10.400 there's just so many of them that just feels like, Okay, 853 00:43:10.519 --> 00:43:14.360 there's nothing that the Elite can possibly do short of 854 00:43:14.480 --> 00:43:16.920 just try and isolate them backstage, which you know, good 855 00:43:17.000 --> 00:43:18.599 luck with that because they always kind of hang out 856 00:43:18.599 --> 00:43:22.199 together anyway. Social distancing is not thing for them. So 857 00:43:23.280 --> 00:43:25.559 what are your thoughts on just this psychology. I know 858 00:43:25.599 --> 00:43:28.119 the crowd eats it up, but to me, it's like, 859 00:43:28.920 --> 00:43:30.840 I would really like the elite to kind of get 860 00:43:30.880 --> 00:43:32.800 a little more heat because we know Page is gonna 861 00:43:32.800 --> 00:43:35.519 win in the end, but there needs to be a 862 00:43:35.519 --> 00:43:39.239 better story told here, like better, I mean marginally, because 863 00:43:39.239 --> 00:43:41.400 it's already pretty good. But this is just like the 864 00:43:41.400 --> 00:43:43.000 perfectionist in me saying this. 865 00:43:44.519 --> 00:43:48.320 Tyler, your thoughts, Yeah, I mean I personally have an 866 00:43:48.320 --> 00:43:50.559 issue with it. I think it's my issue would be 867 00:43:50.599 --> 00:43:54.039 similar but not exactly the same, is that the run ins, 868 00:43:54.880 --> 00:43:57.440 the way the segments end have been kind of the 869 00:43:57.519 --> 00:44:00.440 same with the Dark Order in that same method. So 870 00:44:00.480 --> 00:44:03.519 I do think, you know, the Elite trapping them in 871 00:44:03.559 --> 00:44:06.559 a room and having Page on an island and getting 872 00:44:06.599 --> 00:44:08.119 keen on him, you know, on the lead up to 873 00:44:08.239 --> 00:44:12.000 maybe the multiman tag match would be good or something 874 00:44:12.039 --> 00:44:14.360 like that. You know, changing it up in general is good, 875 00:44:14.440 --> 00:44:16.519 but you know, I guess I just don't view the 876 00:44:16.599 --> 00:44:18.960 Dark Order as a threat, even as you know, even 877 00:44:18.960 --> 00:44:22.400 if they were, you know, ten to five Dark Order 878 00:44:22.440 --> 00:44:24.960 to Elite members I think the Elder books so strong 879 00:44:25.000 --> 00:44:27.320 that I would I still feel good about the elite 880 00:44:27.320 --> 00:44:29.559 to odds there, so I think that helps with me 881 00:44:29.679 --> 00:44:33.719 not being too worried about it. And yeah, I mean, 882 00:44:33.719 --> 00:44:35.920 I guess we'll talk about it later or now. But 883 00:44:36.239 --> 00:44:37.679 I'm not so sure Page is going to win this. 884 00:44:37.840 --> 00:44:39.440 But that's just my opinion. Maybe we can save it 885 00:44:39.480 --> 00:44:41.599 for later if we need to. But what do you think? 886 00:44:43.280 --> 00:44:47.119 I I'm not sure, but I feel like the crowd 887 00:44:47.119 --> 00:44:50.480 would like to see it. I think Omega is doing 888 00:44:50.519 --> 00:44:54.199 a good enough job right now with Kallous that it 889 00:44:54.400 --> 00:44:56.159 just some of it's going to come down to the 890 00:44:56.199 --> 00:44:57.679 lay of the lane. I mean, unless they just have 891 00:44:57.719 --> 00:44:59.840 it locked in and they absolutely know where they want 892 00:44:59.840 --> 00:45:02.280 to go after that and after that. But I think 893 00:45:02.280 --> 00:45:03.960 crowd responses are gonna have something to do with and 894 00:45:04.000 --> 00:45:07.119 they are on a a what is it politicians say, 895 00:45:07.159 --> 00:45:09.239 A listening to her when they when they are going 896 00:45:09.280 --> 00:45:11.559 to declare their candidacy or there's some tax reason they 897 00:45:11.559 --> 00:45:13.239 can't yet or something. I can't remember the details on it. 898 00:45:13.239 --> 00:45:14.679 But I'm gonna go on a listening tour. But I'm 899 00:45:14.679 --> 00:45:17.920 not running yet. AW is on a listening tour, you know, 900 00:45:18.000 --> 00:45:20.119 I mean, I think they want to know what's working, 901 00:45:20.239 --> 00:45:24.320 what's not. You know, what options do we have with 902 00:45:24.559 --> 00:45:27.000 wrestlers who show up and sign? I mean see them. 903 00:45:27.039 --> 00:45:30.000 Punk rumors are blowing up, Daniel Brian rumors are blowing up. 904 00:45:30.360 --> 00:45:33.400 So I mean, if CM Pump gets signed or Daniel 905 00:45:33.400 --> 00:45:36.360 Brian gets signed in their baby faces, Kenny Wagus should 906 00:45:36.400 --> 00:45:39.000 keep the title and they should make lots and lots 907 00:45:39.000 --> 00:45:42.599 of money with those matches. First, if Punk's gonna come 908 00:45:42.639 --> 00:45:44.719 in as a heel and be some anti aw person 909 00:45:44.760 --> 00:45:47.159 that you'd be great antagonists for Hangman Page, for instance, 910 00:45:47.239 --> 00:45:48.880 Danie Briand should be a baby face. I'm not gonna 911 00:45:48.960 --> 00:45:53.119 entertain that notion. So that's my point, you know, I mean, 912 00:45:53.280 --> 00:45:55.519 but it's it's two good choices, because I think Kenny's 913 00:45:55.519 --> 00:45:57.440 doing a good enough a good job now. He seems 914 00:45:57.480 --> 00:45:59.559 to be putting some thought into his wardrobe and his hair, 915 00:45:59.800 --> 00:46:02.039 and it sounds weird to say that, like, well, who cares. 916 00:46:02.039 --> 00:46:04.159 Well look at him for a while, he looked like 917 00:46:04.239 --> 00:46:07.280 he woke up from a nap and didn't care. 918 00:46:07.440 --> 00:46:09.039 And it's like now. 919 00:46:08.800 --> 00:46:11.760 It looks more major league. It just it does. He's 920 00:46:11.800 --> 00:46:15.599 a more polished act and all that stuff adds up 921 00:46:15.639 --> 00:46:18.719 and makes a difference and it so anyway, yeah, I'm 922 00:46:18.719 --> 00:46:19.679 final canny keeping it. 923 00:46:19.719 --> 00:46:21.320 But Hayman pitched as. 924 00:46:21.239 --> 00:46:22.719 Far as the number of Dark Order members, I mean, 925 00:46:22.760 --> 00:46:24.480 the crowd pop for them tonight. You know, I'm not 926 00:46:24.519 --> 00:46:26.559 a listening tour too. You know, it's not all about 927 00:46:26.559 --> 00:46:27.880 what I think. I mean, I want to listen to 928 00:46:27.920 --> 00:46:31.280 what crowds react to and the dynamic with Hangman and 929 00:46:31.480 --> 00:46:34.119 Dark Orders and for everyone. But I'm fine with it 930 00:46:34.199 --> 00:46:36.400 not being a faction that you can name everybody because 931 00:46:36.400 --> 00:46:38.840 it I don't think it's they're not. I mean, John 932 00:46:38.880 --> 00:46:40.239 Silver is sort of the star of the group, but 933 00:46:40.320 --> 00:46:42.440 I mean Cocabat is like a good talker and a 934 00:46:42.519 --> 00:46:45.159 veteran and he's had TV exposure in a lot of companies, 935 00:46:45.199 --> 00:46:47.360 but he just sort of stands around, you know. I 936 00:46:47.360 --> 00:46:51.000 mean it's it's more about the some of the parts 937 00:46:51.039 --> 00:46:53.239 than it's more about the whole than the individuals that 938 00:46:53.280 --> 00:46:56.480 make it up. So anyway, I don't know if I 939 00:46:56.519 --> 00:46:58.960 answered everything, but I hit any follow up to that 940 00:46:59.000 --> 00:47:01.800 are closing words. 941 00:47:02.400 --> 00:47:05.400 You make some good points there. I just wanted to 942 00:47:05.440 --> 00:47:10.320 respond to one thing regarding the uh the Chavo Guerrero appearance. 943 00:47:11.119 --> 00:47:12.920 I was my first full year as a wrestling fan 944 00:47:13.079 --> 00:47:15.360 was oh four when Chavo is a strong made card, 945 00:47:15.440 --> 00:47:18.679 so I do have a soft spot for him. I'm 946 00:47:18.719 --> 00:47:21.760 not sure how I feel about him managing Andrade. I 947 00:47:21.760 --> 00:47:24.840 don't think he oozes enough charisma or is good enough 948 00:47:24.880 --> 00:47:28.400 on the mic. But just regarding your your the babyface 949 00:47:28.440 --> 00:47:31.840 heel dynamic, this is what AW does all the time. 950 00:47:31.920 --> 00:47:34.440 Anytime someone makes a debut, they're always a baby face. 951 00:47:34.519 --> 00:47:37.000 Look at Miro for example, right like, he was just 952 00:47:37.119 --> 00:47:41.719 total I am all elite, screwww, all that sort of stuff. 953 00:47:41.800 --> 00:47:44.679 So they just kind of let them go. They're like, Okay, you, 954 00:47:45.039 --> 00:47:48.239 I don't care if you're managing freakin' Adolf Hitler. Right now, 955 00:47:48.519 --> 00:47:52.039 you're going to be a babyface and and then next week, 956 00:47:52.119 --> 00:47:54.239 let's do the heel stuff because you know, the crowd 957 00:47:54.280 --> 00:47:57.320 knows that the stuff's all fake anyway. So that's just 958 00:47:57.760 --> 00:48:00.639 another one of my pet peeves of AID. They just 959 00:48:00.719 --> 00:48:03.719 kind of let people I think vent a little too 960 00:48:03.800 --> 00:48:09.280 much when that venting can be done on podcasts. But yeah, otherwise, 961 00:48:09.440 --> 00:48:11.679 thank you guys very much for for taking my call. 962 00:48:11.880 --> 00:48:15.679 I really appreciate it. Uh, stay tuned for the Rampage 963 00:48:15.760 --> 00:48:18.400 hits and missus, which Wade was kind enough to let 964 00:48:18.400 --> 00:48:20.519 me handle starting August. 965 00:48:21.559 --> 00:48:24.000 Yeah, we got Rampage coming up, Tyler. You know about that, 966 00:48:24.880 --> 00:48:25.119 I do. 967 00:48:26.119 --> 00:48:28.559 It was a shameless plug time or what. 968 00:48:28.519 --> 00:48:30.719 Yeah, go for it, go for it. Oh thank you 969 00:48:30.960 --> 00:48:31.320 by the way. 970 00:48:32.039 --> 00:48:36.920 Yeah, yeah, so thank you Wade for for your give 971 00:48:36.960 --> 00:48:39.679 me the opportunity to do the Rampage post show. I 972 00:48:39.679 --> 00:48:43.159 think we're gonna do a rotating UH co host and 973 00:48:43.199 --> 00:48:45.880 we'll be either be exclusive or adding on to your 974 00:48:45.880 --> 00:48:49.239 SmackDown post shows and it'll be me in a guest 975 00:48:49.280 --> 00:48:52.719 host just recapping and talking about Rampage like we do 976 00:48:52.800 --> 00:48:56.559 here on UH for Dynamite or for Raw for SmackDown. 977 00:48:56.639 --> 00:48:59.320 So more details account that's kind of the rough picture 978 00:48:59.400 --> 00:49:00.840 right now. So yeah, very excited for that. 979 00:49:01.079 --> 00:49:01.280 Yeah. 980 00:49:01.320 --> 00:49:04.800 We will have coverage of Rampage at PW torch dot com, 981 00:49:05.400 --> 00:49:08.599 PW Torch VP dot com for our VPP members, on 982 00:49:08.599 --> 00:49:11.679 our ad free website, and UH audio coverage of it afterwards. 983 00:49:11.679 --> 00:49:14.119 So it is impossible for me to host the SmackDown 984 00:49:14.159 --> 00:49:17.360 post show and watch Rampage and do you know the 985 00:49:17.400 --> 00:49:19.840 normal reaction and we'll see I mean, you might be 986 00:49:19.960 --> 00:49:23.480 stuck with the thunder of a e W. Or it 987 00:49:23.519 --> 00:49:26.039 could be like this really cool tight hour that they 988 00:49:26.159 --> 00:49:28.679 just make. You know, this this really exciting, musty program 989 00:49:28.719 --> 00:49:31.119 that shows up smacked on every week. We'll see and 990 00:49:31.719 --> 00:49:34.519 you get the uh, the feast or famina of of 991 00:49:34.559 --> 00:49:35.960 that situation, Tyler. 992 00:49:36.079 --> 00:49:39.239 So looking looking forward to that, all right? 993 00:49:39.639 --> 00:49:40.079 A lot? 994 00:49:40.440 --> 00:49:42.519 Oh no, go ahead, I. 995 00:49:42.480 --> 00:49:44.400 Was gonna say, a lot of Nick Camarado made events. 996 00:49:44.440 --> 00:49:45.599 I'm very excited for it. 997 00:49:46.599 --> 00:49:52.079 Yeah, maybe the acclaimed will make make a return. Yeah, 998 00:49:52.400 --> 00:49:54.559 they've they've they've gone missing from Donamite. 999 00:49:54.559 --> 00:49:59.079 That is all right, need an extra dose of positivity 1000 00:49:59.079 --> 00:50:02.679 in You're Wrestling pod. 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We love variety and you 1011 00:50:35.039 --> 00:50:38.480 can expect lots of it at the Progress Paradise. Detailed 1012 00:50:38.519 --> 00:50:42.320 pwof Torch VIP subscription information and a list of all 1013 00:50:42.360 --> 00:50:47.119 the VIP benefits is available at pterwrew torch vipinfo dot com. 1014 00:50:47.199 --> 00:50:51.320 And yes, all VIP podcasts are compatible with popular podcast 1015 00:50:51.360 --> 00:50:54.880 apps on iPhone and Android devices, or you can stream 1016 00:50:54.920 --> 00:50:58.639 them directly from our ad free VIP mobile site. See 1017 00:50:58.639 --> 00:50:59.480 you in the Paradise. 1018 00:51:07.719 --> 00:51:10.679 Let's go to Alex in Montreal, Quebec. We'll travel around 1019 00:51:10.719 --> 00:51:12.679 Canada here, Alex, God hear from you again? 1020 00:51:12.880 --> 00:51:13.480 What do you think of that? 1021 00:51:15.320 --> 00:51:15.519 Hey? 1022 00:51:15.519 --> 00:51:19.159 Wait, hey Tyler. Overall, I enjoyed the show. I thought 1023 00:51:19.280 --> 00:51:23.320 last week's was a bit the w's booking of Love. 1024 00:51:23.400 --> 00:51:26.880 Lance Archer, not just recently but like since he's come up. 1025 00:51:27.360 --> 00:51:30.519 I mean he's basically always been kind of like built 1026 00:51:30.639 --> 00:51:33.840 up as this monster who gets like, you know, pretty hot, 1027 00:51:34.320 --> 00:51:37.400 and then he is there to be taken down. So 1028 00:51:37.719 --> 00:51:41.480 whether that's by Cody, by miro By, I'm sure he's 1029 00:51:41.480 --> 00:51:44.199 out at least one or two more at once in there. 1030 00:51:44.400 --> 00:51:47.239 But yeah, it's right by Moxley as well. So this 1031 00:51:47.280 --> 00:51:50.199 isn't actually his first time fighting Boxley and ae W. 1032 00:51:50.360 --> 00:51:54.920 They fought at the Anniversary show in twenty twenty around October. 1033 00:51:55.480 --> 00:52:00.840 And this week I got the feeling and I knew. 1034 00:52:00.599 --> 00:52:01.320 It was going to happen. 1035 00:52:01.360 --> 00:52:02.840 I knew he was going to win tonight. 1036 00:52:02.679 --> 00:52:06.199 Because they have the Road two Special this week. They 1037 00:52:06.199 --> 00:52:09.239 were really making him come over as as a babyface, 1038 00:52:09.800 --> 00:52:12.320 as kind of like a hometown boy, as someone who's 1039 00:52:12.599 --> 00:52:17.119 his whole life really hard. And Jake Roberts some commentary 1040 00:52:17.199 --> 00:52:21.239 on Elevation this week that you know, also really put 1041 00:52:21.280 --> 00:52:23.400 over Lance Archer that you know, he's fighting for what 1042 00:52:23.480 --> 00:52:27.599 he deserves kind of saying. And those two things, the 1043 00:52:27.679 --> 00:52:30.599 Road two Special and the Elevation Special just clicked in 1044 00:52:30.639 --> 00:52:33.239 my mind, like it's happening. They're going to change the 1045 00:52:33.239 --> 00:52:36.800 title this Wednesday, and I'm going to be happy for 1046 00:52:36.880 --> 00:52:40.760 him because it also happened in his hometown in Texas, 1047 00:52:40.840 --> 00:52:45.840 and it was just to me, a beautiful booking. You know, 1048 00:52:47.880 --> 00:52:49.719 you like him getting knocked down. 1049 00:52:51.280 --> 00:52:53.559 Oh sorry, your connection went out, so I thought you 1050 00:52:53.599 --> 00:52:55.079 might have been done. Go ahead and finish your thought. 1051 00:52:56.119 --> 00:52:59.440 Oh okay, No, I was just saying it was just 1052 00:52:59.480 --> 00:53:02.599 the beautiful booking tonight. I thought with giving Archer this 1053 00:53:02.719 --> 00:53:06.719 kind of timely win, because had he lost this time, 1054 00:53:07.199 --> 00:53:09.000 I think maybe it would have been, you know, a 1055 00:53:09.079 --> 00:53:12.400 bridge too far, one too many big losses, and he 1056 00:53:12.599 --> 00:53:15.639 needed a significant win in ae W. And I think 1057 00:53:16.639 --> 00:53:19.239 going over Moxley, I mean that's a feather in his 1058 00:53:19.360 --> 00:53:21.719 cap that he can kind of have with him and 1059 00:53:21.840 --> 00:53:24.719 hold proudly for quite a while. I think he can 1060 00:53:24.760 --> 00:53:27.519 get a lot of juice out of that for for 1061 00:53:27.679 --> 00:53:31.760 several months at least. So, yeah, I was just so 1062 00:53:31.960 --> 00:53:35.719 happy with the booking and having Archer finally get his 1063 00:53:35.760 --> 00:53:41.920 first major significant victory and his first major not really feud, 1064 00:53:42.000 --> 00:53:45.480 but yeah, his first major real victory over a significant 1065 00:53:46.880 --> 00:53:52.199 other character opponent in AW. So Yeah, just how have 1066 00:53:52.320 --> 00:53:56.280 you felt about his booking so far? And did you feel, yeah, 1067 00:53:56.280 --> 00:53:58.119 this was the right time, they made the right call. 1068 00:53:59.119 --> 00:54:01.679 Yeah. Are you surprised by the title change and then 1069 00:54:02.119 --> 00:54:04.320 what Alex had to say about you know, kind of 1070 00:54:04.320 --> 00:54:06.360 a contrast to do to be you know, I mean 1071 00:54:06.440 --> 00:54:09.480 even this week, you know, book the hometown guy to 1072 00:54:09.639 --> 00:54:14.760 win and let the crowd enjoy it. Your your thoughts 1073 00:54:14.800 --> 00:54:16.199 on that and just kind of a larger story arth 1074 00:54:16.199 --> 00:54:18.280 that Alex brings up about Archer's role in AW and 1075 00:54:18.280 --> 00:54:19.119 how they utilize him. 1076 00:54:20.119 --> 00:54:22.400 Yeah, I was probably about sixty forty that was gonna 1077 00:54:22.480 --> 00:54:24.960 you know, Maxley was going to retain. You know, that's 1078 00:54:25.000 --> 00:54:27.159 more so to do with who does New Japan want 1079 00:54:27.199 --> 00:54:29.199 to hold that belt? And you know, who do they 1080 00:54:29.239 --> 00:54:31.320 want to have on New Japan strong? Could they get 1081 00:54:31.320 --> 00:54:33.679 Moxley to work on that? It was that allowed all 1082 00:54:33.679 --> 00:54:36.199 that sort of stuff. But yeah, so I was, you know, 1083 00:54:36.840 --> 00:54:38.880 mildly surprised when Archer got the win here, but I 1084 00:54:38.920 --> 00:54:40.719 totally agree that he needed to win here. I mean, 1085 00:54:40.719 --> 00:54:43.599 I you know, I was going through his whole history 1086 00:54:43.599 --> 00:54:45.400 and I can't think of one major win that that 1087 00:54:45.519 --> 00:54:49.760 Archer has had. And you know, the most impressive thing 1088 00:54:49.800 --> 00:54:51.920 that Archer has done is he's that I could think 1089 00:54:51.960 --> 00:54:54.639 of without him losing, was him just getting instincts face 1090 00:54:54.679 --> 00:54:57.159 a couple of times a few months ago and a 1091 00:54:57.320 --> 00:54:59.320 every other time he's been on the losing end of 1092 00:54:59.360 --> 00:55:03.639 the feud. So and uh so, yeah that was good 1093 00:55:03.679 --> 00:55:06.559 and and and he up to this point has kind 1094 00:55:06.559 --> 00:55:09.519 of been like every big guy in the eighties and 1095 00:55:09.639 --> 00:55:13.599 w w F versus Hulcogain just kind of to everybody else. 1096 00:55:13.639 --> 00:55:16.000 He was just that big guy that you know, was 1097 00:55:16.039 --> 00:55:18.199 kind of a gatekeeper and like guys level up, like 1098 00:55:18.280 --> 00:55:21.079 Miro and and Moxley and and and all those sort 1099 00:55:21.119 --> 00:55:23.480 of guys, and you know that that's a good spot 1100 00:55:23.480 --> 00:55:26.239 to be in. And he was booked in a way 1101 00:55:26.320 --> 00:55:29.679 that one win here can you know, make him kind 1102 00:55:29.679 --> 00:55:31.480 of a big time player again, which is good. And 1103 00:55:31.679 --> 00:55:34.079 and I think, you know, at least in the past, 1104 00:55:34.079 --> 00:55:36.360 I've been a little bit more negative than probably most 1105 00:55:36.360 --> 00:55:41.039 people about having all these extra company belts, you know 1106 00:55:41.360 --> 00:55:43.159 that that aren't AW belts, But I think it's a 1107 00:55:43.159 --> 00:55:45.480 good use of when you have a different company's belt 1108 00:55:45.559 --> 00:55:47.199 and you know, someone can lose it. It's not that 1109 00:55:47.239 --> 00:55:48.760 big of a deal, but it can put somebody over, 1110 00:55:48.880 --> 00:55:51.880 which is a net positive. So those are just kind 1111 00:55:51.880 --> 00:55:53.599 of all my thoughts on on Archer. But yeah, I 1112 00:55:53.599 --> 00:55:56.480 think he's been booked appropriately in my mind, and he's 1113 00:55:56.559 --> 00:55:59.360 kind of being eated up here for you know, for 1114 00:55:59.440 --> 00:56:01.440 someone to probably beat him down the line. I think 1115 00:56:01.440 --> 00:56:04.519 this is about his apex within AW and I think 1116 00:56:04.519 --> 00:56:05.199 that's totally fun. 1117 00:56:06.960 --> 00:56:10.679 Alex anything else, Yeah, sure, I. 1118 00:56:10.679 --> 00:56:16.559 Thought Jericho and Sean Spears really over delivered tonight. I 1119 00:56:16.559 --> 00:56:20.079 thought that match could be like solid decent and it 1120 00:56:20.199 --> 00:56:22.559 was that, And I thought a bit even better than that, 1121 00:56:23.320 --> 00:56:25.880 the spots were pretty clever. I really liked the way 1122 00:56:25.920 --> 00:56:29.920 they built up to the ending with Spears going into 1123 00:56:29.920 --> 00:56:31.840 the chair in the corner and then just taking the 1124 00:56:31.920 --> 00:56:37.920 Judas effect. So, you know, I wasn't very excited when 1125 00:56:38.159 --> 00:56:40.960 we first announced these kind of like five labors of Jericho, 1126 00:56:41.639 --> 00:56:45.239 But now after that performance and knowing that he's probably 1127 00:56:45.280 --> 00:56:49.360 gonna put everything he can into making Nick Gage look 1128 00:56:49.880 --> 00:56:53.719 like legit next week, I'm wondering if we could be 1129 00:56:53.760 --> 00:56:56.079 in the midst of seeing kind of like a pretty 1130 00:56:56.119 --> 00:57:01.000 special run from Jericho's character in aw because I thought 1131 00:57:01.039 --> 00:57:04.400 tonight was a really strong start to this match series 1132 00:57:04.440 --> 00:57:07.079 that he's going to have. So, yeah, what did you 1133 00:57:07.079 --> 00:57:10.199 think of that match? And do you love Sean Spears 1134 00:57:10.239 --> 00:57:13.320 as much as I do? Yet wide And uh, yeah, 1135 00:57:13.320 --> 00:57:14.840 that's that's kind of my question there. 1136 00:57:16.639 --> 00:57:19.000 Well, first of all, if I'm getting the kind of 1137 00:57:19.039 --> 00:57:21.519 crowd reactions that Jerich was getting, I want to just 1138 00:57:21.559 --> 00:57:23.880 wrestle every week. I mean, what that's I mean, it's 1139 00:57:23.880 --> 00:57:26.079 got to feels so good for Chris to be in 1140 00:57:26.079 --> 00:57:29.320 front of this these this generation of fans who are 1141 00:57:29.320 --> 00:57:29.960 reacting to him. 1142 00:57:30.000 --> 00:57:31.039 I think he's getting the. 1143 00:57:31.000 --> 00:57:34.119 Best reactions of his career right now, which is saying something. 1144 00:57:35.159 --> 00:57:37.159 And I've watched him dating back to him and Lance 1145 00:57:37.159 --> 00:57:39.519 Storm in those you know, teeny bopper rock and roll 1146 00:57:39.519 --> 00:57:42.119 express style intro videos for Smoking Mount Wrestling when he 1147 00:57:42.159 --> 00:57:47.679 first debuted as a rookie, and so yes, I think 1148 00:57:47.760 --> 00:57:50.320 if they throw somebody with different styles out of each week, 1149 00:57:51.280 --> 00:57:54.519 and nick Age is certainly a surprise, uh, then that 1150 00:57:54.519 --> 00:57:56.159 that's fun because that gives him a chance to do 1151 00:57:56.440 --> 00:57:59.880 a real wide variety of things. I can't believe mg 1152 00:58:00.079 --> 00:58:03.079 UF said, you know, it's the labors of Jericho, not 1153 00:58:03.159 --> 00:58:05.480 Jericho going into labor. But based on his physical appearance, 1154 00:58:05.519 --> 00:58:08.039 I can understand people being confused, like I can't believe 1155 00:58:08.079 --> 00:58:09.400 this stuff MGF gets away with. 1156 00:58:11.079 --> 00:58:11.840 That was amazing. 1157 00:58:12.320 --> 00:58:16.159 And yes, when I watched Jericho's matches, it you watch 1158 00:58:16.280 --> 00:58:19.360 to go what if I were a young wrestler, what 1159 00:58:19.400 --> 00:58:21.559 would I be watching about the things Jericho was doing 1160 00:58:21.639 --> 00:58:24.480 that I can learn from Because he's fifty years old, 1161 00:58:24.639 --> 00:58:29.039 he's not in the best shape of his career, and 1162 00:58:29.480 --> 00:58:34.639 yet he's doing really smart things structurally and timing and 1163 00:58:34.679 --> 00:58:37.920 milking moments, and they're just you know, it's not about 1164 00:58:37.960 --> 00:58:39.519 being as smooth and great of an athlete as he 1165 00:58:39.599 --> 00:58:42.079 was fifteen or twenty years ago. That's that's not a thing, 1166 00:58:42.119 --> 00:58:45.039 but it is study and watch and understand. You know, 1167 00:58:45.079 --> 00:58:48.360 He's going to bring people up a level through efficiency 1168 00:58:48.440 --> 00:58:51.000 and cleverness and being a ring general. And I thought 1169 00:58:51.000 --> 00:58:52.480 there were some examples of that in this match. I 1170 00:58:52.480 --> 00:58:54.320 didn't I'm blown away by the match, but yeah, I 1171 00:58:54.320 --> 00:58:57.880 think it was more than it probably should have been 1172 00:58:59.440 --> 00:59:02.239 if it worked somebody with Jericho smarts and and the 1173 00:59:02.480 --> 00:59:05.760 brilliance of Sean Spears. Uh, Tyler, your thoughts. 1174 00:59:06.760 --> 00:59:10.000 Yeah, I agree with all that. I also think if 1175 00:59:10.000 --> 00:59:12.480 I'm Sean Spears, I probably try and defend my character 1176 00:59:12.519 --> 00:59:14.920 a little bit beforehand. I'd be like, do I have 1177 00:59:14.960 --> 00:59:17.519 to do a head shot and then C four and 1178 00:59:17.559 --> 00:59:19.440 you kick out of that? I would have maybe eliminated 1179 00:59:19.440 --> 00:59:21.880 the head shot with the chair because I just kind 1180 00:59:21.880 --> 00:59:24.360 of devalued John Spears even more so. I Mean, I 1181 00:59:24.360 --> 00:59:26.280 know he's not the top guy in that group, but yeah, 1182 00:59:26.519 --> 00:59:28.199 I thought that was a little much of a of 1183 00:59:28.199 --> 00:59:33.000 a kick out there. But yeah, I Yeah, I mean, 1184 00:59:33.000 --> 00:59:34.800 obviously Jeric was gonna win this, and I think the 1185 00:59:34.840 --> 00:59:38.039 match was better than it had any right to be, 1186 00:59:38.840 --> 00:59:40.880 to be honest, and yeah, I was just well told. 1187 00:59:41.360 --> 00:59:43.360 It wasn't you know, the best work match everybody. Yeah, 1188 00:59:43.360 --> 00:59:46.199 it was just the classic thing of you know, the 1189 00:59:46.239 --> 00:59:48.760 story going into it, and you know, like that long 1190 00:59:48.840 --> 00:59:51.599 term story that works, and this whole journey for Jericho, 1191 00:59:53.039 --> 00:59:55.320 it's just it's just working really well. And you know, 1192 00:59:55.400 --> 00:59:58.519 to go meta a little bit, what he signed in 1193 00:59:59.400 --> 01:00:04.960 what mark of twenty eighteen, right or twenty nineteen, and 1194 01:00:06.159 --> 01:00:07.440 you know, I think he signed a three year deal, 1195 01:00:07.519 --> 01:00:10.119 So this could be some combination of him before he 1196 01:00:10.159 --> 01:00:13.000 goes on tour with Fozzie in the fall, because I 1197 01:00:13.039 --> 01:00:15.480 know those dates are confirmed, and you know, maybe his 1198 01:00:15.519 --> 01:00:16.880 contracts coming up and he wants to have a good 1199 01:00:16.920 --> 01:00:19.519 run and then you know, knowing Chris Jericho, he's you know, 1200 01:00:19.559 --> 01:00:21.840 he's a mercenary and he'll he'll go to the highest bidder. 1201 01:00:21.840 --> 01:00:24.000 So I would not be surprised if he took the 1202 01:00:24.039 --> 01:00:25.400 money and wanted to have a good run here on 1203 01:00:25.440 --> 01:00:27.199 the way out and wanted to be a big surprise 1204 01:00:27.239 --> 01:00:29.559 at WrestleMania and Dallas next year. Or something like that 1205 01:00:29.599 --> 01:00:31.880 if the contracts work out. But yeah, let's just be 1206 01:00:31.920 --> 01:00:34.000 totally speculating. But you know, I think I think that's 1207 01:00:34.000 --> 01:00:37.280 why we're seeing this intensity, that he's milking this this 1208 01:00:37.559 --> 01:00:39.199 you know, like you said, way, I think it's the 1209 01:00:39.199 --> 01:00:41.000 best reactions ever gotten and he wants to enjoy that. 1210 01:00:41.239 --> 01:00:44.280 So yeah, Alex, anything else for us. 1211 01:00:44.320 --> 01:00:48.159 Sure, just before I go this whole q T. Marshall thing. 1212 01:00:48.239 --> 01:00:52.719 So the last two weeks he's had under one minute segments, 1213 01:00:52.840 --> 01:00:55.920 which it leads me to believe that I think Tony 1214 01:00:56.000 --> 01:00:59.360 Kahan has probably seen that, you know, this whatever this 1215 01:00:59.480 --> 01:01:03.960 is with the actory, this faction maybe are not exactly 1216 01:01:04.000 --> 01:01:06.159 a bust, but it's not working to the degree that 1217 01:01:06.239 --> 01:01:10.719 maybe they were hoping for. And I'm wondering this kind 1218 01:01:10.719 --> 01:01:14.679 of apology that he's promising that he will probably get 1219 01:01:14.760 --> 01:01:17.280 or try to get out of Tony Shavanni next week 1220 01:01:17.880 --> 01:01:22.679 is some kind of setup for Tony Shavanni bringing in 1221 01:01:23.119 --> 01:01:26.760 someone to take out QT, to get like come up, 1222 01:01:26.800 --> 01:01:29.320 to give them some come up and for you know, 1223 01:01:29.360 --> 01:01:32.400 spilling coffee on him on National TV, or if someone's 1224 01:01:32.440 --> 01:01:35.719 going to come to Tony Shavanni's aid and take out 1225 01:01:35.800 --> 01:01:40.000 QT and kind of just it's not Bury the faction, 1226 01:01:40.280 --> 01:01:43.480 but in a way, just give us a nice, conclusive 1227 01:01:43.519 --> 01:01:47.400 goodbye to this story, because I just I don't find 1228 01:01:47.440 --> 01:01:50.639 QT that compelling as a television character. And give him 1229 01:01:50.679 --> 01:01:52.599 the time that he has been getting on TV lately, 1230 01:01:53.719 --> 01:01:56.440 and how short that is. I think they're probably seeing 1231 01:01:56.440 --> 01:01:59.079 that too, or maybe that's just me projecting my own 1232 01:01:59.119 --> 01:02:04.440 desires onto what I want to happen. So yeah, just 1233 01:02:05.119 --> 01:02:07.559 you know, I guess what I'm asking, What are the 1234 01:02:07.679 --> 01:02:11.639 chances of QT taking a Shining Wizard from Brian Danielson 1235 01:02:11.800 --> 01:02:12.119 A like. 1236 01:02:12.159 --> 01:02:18.039 For Oh my god, I'd love for that to be like, see, 1237 01:02:18.039 --> 01:02:20.360 I'm punk showing up. How dare you pick on Tony 1238 01:02:20.360 --> 01:02:23.599 Shavanni Qt, Marshall, I want to see you on pay 1239 01:02:23.639 --> 01:02:26.679 per view. And by the way, it's a protein shake. 1240 01:02:26.760 --> 01:02:29.719 We have settled that dispute. It was not coffee. I'm 1241 01:02:29.760 --> 01:02:32.039 pretty sure it was some sort of some something a 1242 01:02:32.079 --> 01:02:35.840 little thicker than it than coffee. Point of contention solved. 1243 01:02:35.880 --> 01:02:38.480 I guess, uh, Tyler, I mean, you know, yes, it's 1244 01:02:38.559 --> 01:02:41.440 less than a mint. QT. Is is that still less 1245 01:02:41.440 --> 01:02:45.159 than you know? Thirty forty five seconds too long of 1246 01:02:45.199 --> 01:02:48.639 the factory? Do they belong on a w dark Is 1247 01:02:48.679 --> 01:02:51.119 it TV time well spent? And are they doing too 1248 01:02:51.159 --> 01:02:54.440 much with Shavanni as fun and gregarious as you know, 1249 01:02:54.679 --> 01:02:58.280 the announcers joshing around and the birth Baker thing. Are 1250 01:02:58.320 --> 01:03:00.760 they overdoing it or or I'm saying this like not 1251 01:03:00.840 --> 01:03:03.719 even having a strong stance myself, I'll show my hand. 1252 01:03:04.159 --> 01:03:06.199 Or is Tony like a good asset in this way? 1253 01:03:06.280 --> 01:03:08.639 Like people like him and you know he plays well 1254 01:03:08.679 --> 01:03:11.199 off of you know, wrestlers, and he's he gets sympathy, 1255 01:03:11.280 --> 01:03:13.280 so you know it's it's fun and it's harmless and 1256 01:03:13.320 --> 01:03:14.079 it's a small segment. 1257 01:03:15.800 --> 01:03:19.000 Yeah, I do think it's too much time for QT personally. 1258 01:03:19.840 --> 01:03:22.000 You know, it just seems like him in the Factory 1259 01:03:22.039 --> 01:03:25.400 are a definitely a darker dark elevation act at this point, 1260 01:03:25.440 --> 01:03:27.960 which after losing the feed to Cody, and I don't 1261 01:03:27.960 --> 01:03:30.000 know who could come out that would look better for 1262 01:03:30.039 --> 01:03:32.639 doing it, you know, if it's I would see someone 1263 01:03:32.679 --> 01:03:35.400 like Derby or Orange Cassidy that level of someone that 1264 01:03:35.440 --> 01:03:36.880 would come out and make the save. But even though 1265 01:03:36.880 --> 01:03:39.199 it's just like a cute little story to make them, 1266 01:03:39.400 --> 01:03:41.239 you know, look good for thirty seconds, So I don't 1267 01:03:41.239 --> 01:03:45.599 even think that's worth it. For anybody, But yeah, I mean, 1268 01:03:45.719 --> 01:03:47.840 and then when it comes to Tony, I think you 1269 01:03:47.840 --> 01:03:51.280 probably keep it to one segment a week of him 1270 01:03:51.280 --> 01:03:53.480 being either in the ring announcing someone bringing them in, 1271 01:03:54.079 --> 01:03:56.679 or you know, being backstage and being kind of the 1272 01:03:57.960 --> 01:04:01.519 someone that someone attacks. Yeah, I mean, I think it works. 1273 01:04:02.159 --> 01:04:04.400 They've they've kind of led off a little bit. He 1274 01:04:04.440 --> 01:04:06.800 was doing it three four times an episode a few 1275 01:04:06.800 --> 01:04:08.239 weeks ago, and they've kind of let up a little bit. 1276 01:04:08.280 --> 01:04:09.760 So I think they're in the right track with him. 1277 01:04:09.760 --> 01:04:12.280 But I think he's a very sympathetic character in those 1278 01:04:12.360 --> 01:04:15.559 roles and can work and when he gets cut off 1279 01:04:15.639 --> 01:04:17.199 or even when he talks back a little bit to 1280 01:04:17.199 --> 01:04:18.920 like someone like Don Kallish or Kenny Omega, I think 1281 01:04:18.920 --> 01:04:22.079 it works well. So I think what we saw tonight 1282 01:04:22.159 --> 01:04:25.000 was a pretty perfect use of him week in and 1283 01:04:25.039 --> 01:04:26.559 week out. You know, maybe some weeks to use him 1284 01:04:26.559 --> 01:04:28.039 a little more of, some weeks a little less, even 1285 01:04:28.079 --> 01:04:31.400 it out across the weeks. But yeah, I think I 1286 01:04:31.440 --> 01:04:33.079 think he's a valuable asset in that role. 1287 01:04:34.679 --> 01:04:36.719 Very good Alex, always good here for you. Thanks for calling. 1288 01:04:37.360 --> 01:04:39.199 Thanks guys, take care yep, you two all. 1289 01:04:39.159 --> 01:04:42.159 Right number If you want to try to jump in three, four, seven, two, one, 1290 01:04:42.280 --> 01:04:45.719 five eight, five to five eight, push one on your 1291 01:04:45.760 --> 01:04:47.000 keypad when you call if you want to be on 1292 01:04:47.000 --> 01:04:51.239 the show. Did you know that you can enjoy commercial 1293 01:04:51.280 --> 01:04:54.079 free versions of all of your favorite Weight Color podcasts 1294 01:04:54.079 --> 01:04:56.920 and people you Torch daily casts on Spotify. Just go 1295 01:04:57.000 --> 01:05:01.119 to patreon dot com, search PW Torch and subscribe to 1296 01:05:01.159 --> 01:05:03.320 a VIP membership tier. 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Just the trend here ECW 1321 01:06:24.440 --> 01:06:28.400 showed that there's a heavy limit to the number of 1322 01:06:28.440 --> 01:06:31.639 people who are willing to watch these hardcore matches. And 1323 01:06:31.840 --> 01:06:33.559 it's not my thing, but I get that it's a 1324 01:06:33.599 --> 01:06:36.039 lot of people's things, and I'm not going to begrudge 1325 01:06:36.079 --> 01:06:39.199 anyone what they enjoy. But we had the Strap match 1326 01:06:39.760 --> 01:06:43.159 a couple of weeks ago, we had this match this week, 1327 01:06:43.199 --> 01:06:46.320 and now next week we've got what's going to be 1328 01:06:46.400 --> 01:06:49.880 even more violent than what we saw this week. And 1329 01:06:50.039 --> 01:06:52.800 that's three weeks in a row of matches that just 1330 01:06:52.840 --> 01:06:56.519 would never make it onto a WWE program and I'm 1331 01:06:56.559 --> 01:06:58.559 wondering is it too much. 1332 01:07:00.800 --> 01:07:02.920 Nick age? Is gonna be too much for a lot 1333 01:07:02.960 --> 01:07:08.039 of people? I mean, I am I am curious, you know, 1334 01:07:08.199 --> 01:07:12.400 because do you pre record him? Or or am I 1335 01:07:12.400 --> 01:07:15.239 buying the gimmick too much? Like is he going to 1336 01:07:16.679 --> 01:07:24.239 violate live television standards like you know, Rush Rush and 1337 01:07:24.480 --> 01:07:28.039 r Oh like violated r O H's like guidelines, Like 1338 01:07:28.199 --> 01:07:29.440 I mean, I've heard that about it. It was just 1339 01:07:29.440 --> 01:07:31.400 like you know, he's told, you know, don't do this 1340 01:07:31.480 --> 01:07:32.840 and don't do that, we don't do that here, and 1341 01:07:32.880 --> 01:07:35.119 he just does his own thing. Like is Nick Gage 1342 01:07:35.159 --> 01:07:38.000 gonna be like that? And and or is there just 1343 01:07:38.000 --> 01:07:40.079 gonna be a level of awe and respect and oh 1344 01:07:40.119 --> 01:07:41.760 my god, look at this. I'm on TNT and I'm 1345 01:07:41.760 --> 01:07:43.840 in the ring with Jericho. You know, yes, sir, you 1346 01:07:43.880 --> 01:07:45.440 tell me what I'm gonna be, you know, like I 1347 01:07:45.679 --> 01:07:48.079 don't know, I'm am I buying the the myth, the 1348 01:07:48.159 --> 01:07:52.079 legend of in the nick gauge too much, or as 1349 01:07:52.119 --> 01:07:55.239 Tony Shavani said, you know, there's a certain form of 1350 01:07:55.239 --> 01:07:57.280 dose to b champion who you can check in with 1351 01:07:57.360 --> 01:08:00.320 as far as that stuff goes. So no, I I 1352 01:08:00.320 --> 01:08:03.920 mean I think your your voice, Chris in your waving 1353 01:08:03.920 --> 01:08:07.599 a caution flag here is important. Like I watched this 1354 01:08:07.679 --> 01:08:09.559 and it's like, hey, it's an adrenaline rush. The crowd 1355 01:08:09.599 --> 01:08:12.199 super into it. It was a title change. I thought 1356 01:08:12.239 --> 01:08:14.639 what they did mattered. They did more than they should have, 1357 01:08:14.800 --> 01:08:17.680 you know, from a physical toll standpoint for my taste. 1358 01:08:18.439 --> 01:08:20.279 But you know, we didn't get thumb tacks. There weren't 1359 01:08:20.279 --> 01:08:22.640 a lot of There weren't some of the cliches, uh 1360 01:08:22.880 --> 01:08:25.079 and and so all of that. You know, but you know, 1361 01:08:25.159 --> 01:08:27.199 when nasers are going, I don't know if that's Moxley's blood 1362 01:08:27.680 --> 01:08:29.840 on Arch or Archer's blood on Moxley or whatever. It's 1363 01:08:29.880 --> 01:08:33.960 like every six weeks is probably good for good enough 1364 01:08:33.960 --> 01:08:36.000 for this to be part of your brand. It might 1365 01:08:36.079 --> 01:08:39.439 just be happenstance with you know the MGF Jericho Labor's 1366 01:08:39.520 --> 01:08:41.920 Jericho thing that that this fits in. And Nick Gage 1367 01:08:41.960 --> 01:08:45.279 is sort of you know, a hot get so bring 1368 01:08:45.359 --> 01:08:48.439 him in. But Tyler, Yeah, I mean it's a uh 1369 01:08:49.159 --> 01:08:51.119 there's a potential that this goes too far. Next week. 1370 01:08:52.720 --> 01:08:55.920 Yeah, you know, I would say not not a shameless 1371 01:08:55.920 --> 01:08:57.880 plug for GCW, but you know he's he's going to 1372 01:08:57.880 --> 01:09:00.960 getst Mac Coardona this Saturday, Nick Age is and I 1373 01:09:01.000 --> 01:09:02.840 would say, you know, if you're not watching that show, 1374 01:09:02.840 --> 01:09:05.199 you can easily follow what's going on Twitter. I would 1375 01:09:05.239 --> 01:09:07.279 say the level of violence of that match is going 1376 01:09:07.319 --> 01:09:09.279 to be, you know, more than we see on Wednesday 1377 01:09:09.319 --> 01:09:11.199 Dynamite is just because they're going to be you know, 1378 01:09:11.199 --> 01:09:13.399 there's not gonna be light tubes on Dynamite. I can 1379 01:09:13.439 --> 01:09:16.439 almost guarantee that if there is, I'd be absolutely shocked. 1380 01:09:16.520 --> 01:09:21.840 But I would say Cardona has basically asked for certain 1381 01:09:21.880 --> 01:09:23.439 things not to be part of it, that the pizza 1382 01:09:23.479 --> 01:09:25.680 cutter and things like that. So I would say the 1383 01:09:25.760 --> 01:09:27.800 level of violence of that match is a good barometer 1384 01:09:28.000 --> 01:09:31.399 of like, Okay, how much of a work or is 1385 01:09:31.439 --> 01:09:33.880 this guy? How much of a shoot is this thing going? So, 1386 01:09:34.399 --> 01:09:37.439 you know, I tend to lean that that gauge is 1387 01:09:38.039 --> 01:09:41.920 a professional. It doesn't appear to be the way if 1388 01:09:41.960 --> 01:09:43.960 you look at the documentaries things like that, but I 1389 01:09:43.960 --> 01:09:47.800 think there are certain things, you know, bond the scenes. 1390 01:09:47.920 --> 01:09:50.399 You know, I just think if there's there's implements that 1391 01:09:50.439 --> 01:09:53.359 are used, like yeah, kindowstick, tables, chairs, all the stuff, 1392 01:09:53.359 --> 01:09:54.680 he's going to go as hard as he possibly can 1393 01:09:54.760 --> 01:09:56.680 on Jericho, and that's known. But I don't think he's 1394 01:09:56.680 --> 01:09:59.119 gonna pull out a pizza cutter and slice Jerika's neck 1395 01:09:59.159 --> 01:10:01.439 open or anything crazy like that. So I do think 1396 01:10:01.840 --> 01:10:02.560 that's a low bar. 1397 01:10:02.640 --> 01:10:03.439 But yes, I agree. 1398 01:10:03.439 --> 01:10:05.199 I hope you're right, Tyler. 1399 01:10:05.439 --> 01:10:11.600 Yeah, so, oh yeah's totally thing with them. But uh yeah, 1400 01:10:11.640 --> 01:10:14.359 so I just think it'll be extremely violent, more violent 1401 01:10:14.439 --> 01:10:16.560 than this. But I think Jericho and Engaged kind of 1402 01:10:16.640 --> 01:10:19.079 know the limit of it. And there's there's certain things 1403 01:10:19.119 --> 01:10:21.960 that I think Gage will will respect. But yeah, you 1404 01:10:22.279 --> 01:10:24.239 to your overall point, yes, this is going to be 1405 01:10:24.279 --> 01:10:26.399 more violent than this week. That's why I was surprised 1406 01:10:26.439 --> 01:10:29.359 by Waye's opening comments here because I don't think you'll 1407 01:10:29.359 --> 01:10:30.720 be saying the same thing next week, if I had 1408 01:10:30.760 --> 01:10:33.319 to guess. And I do think for people that aren't me, 1409 01:10:33.920 --> 01:10:37.520 which I'm very cognizant of, you know that it almost 1410 01:10:38.039 --> 01:10:39.760 you know, it's a big match, but something like that 1411 01:10:39.800 --> 01:10:41.560 almost needs to be like a special thing you watch 1412 01:10:41.600 --> 01:10:44.479 on you you buy on pay per view to experience, 1413 01:10:44.520 --> 01:10:46.840 and that's on you. But yeah, we'll see where they go. 1414 01:10:46.920 --> 01:10:48.520 But yeah, I do think the majority of the idens 1415 01:10:48.520 --> 01:10:49.800 if you want to grow it and grow and grow it. 1416 01:10:49.840 --> 01:10:51.520 I don't think this type of match every week is 1417 01:10:51.800 --> 01:10:52.319 a positive. 1418 01:10:53.000 --> 01:10:56.439 I think I think there's going to be a temptation 1419 01:10:56.520 --> 01:11:00.479 with the crab response and Tony's own you know, declivities 1420 01:11:00.800 --> 01:11:03.960 towards this kind of thing, to overdo it. And I 1421 01:11:03.960 --> 01:11:06.560 think it's important to go. This is good, but it's 1422 01:11:06.640 --> 01:11:10.079 like ice cream. It's not breakfast, lunch, dinner, seven nights 1423 01:11:10.119 --> 01:11:14.079 a week, like, let's spread this out and we'll see, 1424 01:11:14.159 --> 01:11:16.760 you know what, Again, it's two weeks in a row, 1425 01:11:16.800 --> 01:11:19.199 three weeks in a row, I mean, especially this tonight 1426 01:11:19.199 --> 01:11:21.600 and next week, I think it's it's time to take 1427 01:11:21.640 --> 01:11:27.439 a month away, you know, or longer from weapons causing bleeding. 1428 01:11:27.720 --> 01:11:31.800 With the level of apparatus violence that we saw tonight 1429 01:11:31.840 --> 01:11:34.159 and we'll surely see next week, unless there's some sort 1430 01:11:34.159 --> 01:11:36.520 of sweerver, you know, they do something different than we 1431 01:11:36.520 --> 01:11:38.560 saw tonight, and maybe they's something. You know, I don't 1432 01:11:38.560 --> 01:11:40.159 think you bring nick Age in and don't deliver his 1433 01:11:40.279 --> 01:11:43.520 brand a violence, but it's Jericho, and you know, he 1434 01:11:44.520 --> 01:11:47.960 might want to put his own spin on things, like 1435 01:11:48.000 --> 01:11:49.680 maybe he gets a wall to Jericho on him, like 1436 01:11:49.680 --> 01:11:52.680 ten seconds of match, just hold it like for ten 1437 01:11:52.760 --> 01:11:55.760 minutes and nick a just taps out and then he's 1438 01:11:55.800 --> 01:11:56.479 the king of hardcore. 1439 01:11:56.560 --> 01:11:59.279 I don't know, all right, chrisying. 1440 01:12:00.039 --> 01:12:05.520 Action wriker, I don't know good Like did aw look 1441 01:12:05.760 --> 01:12:09.039 at Jimmy Usso winning a title after the arrest and 1442 01:12:09.119 --> 01:12:11.600 just go, oh yeah, hold my beer that you shouldn't 1443 01:12:11.600 --> 01:12:15.640 have been drinking like just I don't get you bring 1444 01:12:15.680 --> 01:12:19.600 in a convicted bank robber instead. I don't know anyway. 1445 01:12:21.520 --> 01:12:24.600 I want to agree with Nick, which apparently we do 1446 01:12:24.720 --> 01:12:28.159 quite a lot with his his praise of bringing in 1447 01:12:28.239 --> 01:12:34.239 Chava for Andrade. I think you need Chava is highly 1448 01:12:34.319 --> 01:12:38.479 underrated in terms of what he can do. He's acceptable 1449 01:12:38.720 --> 01:12:42.640 on the mic, He's got a character that people believe in, 1450 01:12:43.199 --> 01:12:44.920 people know who he is, but he's not going to 1451 01:12:45.000 --> 01:12:47.920 steal the show. He's not going to be somebody who 1452 01:12:48.000 --> 01:12:52.479 takes the spotlight away from Andrade. He also speaks English perfectly, 1453 01:12:52.560 --> 01:12:57.600 which is huge because Andrede obviously doesn't. So I think 1454 01:12:57.640 --> 01:13:00.239 that's going to be an underrated decision, is bringing him in. 1455 01:13:00.560 --> 01:13:02.880 And I really like the fit there, and it also 1456 01:13:02.960 --> 01:13:06.680 does get them away from from Vicky the worry that 1457 01:13:06.760 --> 01:13:10.479 I have. And this it's a weird one that just 1458 01:13:10.520 --> 01:13:13.000 came to my mind. But is it possible to listen 1459 01:13:13.039 --> 01:13:18.439 to the fans too much. I've noticed that Tony Kahan 1460 01:13:18.840 --> 01:13:23.079 likes to listen to what's being said online and on 1461 01:13:23.279 --> 01:13:28.439 excellent podcasts on PW Torch, and just he changes things 1462 01:13:28.520 --> 01:13:31.680 really quickly, and they just so happened to match suggestions 1463 01:13:31.720 --> 01:13:34.199 that have been made on the Wade Keller Pro Wrestling 1464 01:13:34.239 --> 01:13:38.520 post show. And I'm just thinking, right, there's a possibility. 1465 01:13:38.560 --> 01:13:40.800 We know WWE doesn't do it at all, but it's 1466 01:13:40.880 --> 01:13:44.960 starting to seem like maybe AEW is doing it too 1467 01:13:45.039 --> 01:13:49.000 much that they're they're lurching from one fan suggestion to another. 1468 01:13:49.560 --> 01:13:52.119 And there's a reason that people like me don't own 1469 01:13:52.159 --> 01:13:54.520 wrestling promotions is because we're not good enough at it. 1470 01:13:55.159 --> 01:13:58.479 And if he keeps on just changing things like, Okay, 1471 01:13:58.479 --> 01:14:01.279 the Vicky Guerrera thing work, But if he keeps making 1472 01:14:01.279 --> 01:14:04.520 all these changes because the fans online want it, he's 1473 01:14:04.560 --> 01:14:07.800 missing the fact that the vocal minority aren't the ones 1474 01:14:07.840 --> 01:14:09.000 that he needs to be selling to. 1475 01:14:09.720 --> 01:14:11.079 I think you have to go case by case. 1476 01:14:11.079 --> 01:14:13.560 I mean, I think if if somebody says makes an 1477 01:14:13.680 --> 01:14:17.319 argument not against something, but against something with the reasons 1478 01:14:17.319 --> 01:14:20.199 behind it, and you think to yourself. 1479 01:14:19.840 --> 01:14:21.439 Well, yeah, I went with that because of that. 1480 01:14:21.640 --> 01:14:23.720 But that's a good point and it matches up with 1481 01:14:23.760 --> 01:14:25.760 the crowd reaction and my own judgment of how this 1482 01:14:25.800 --> 01:14:27.880 is playing out. Let me call an audible. 1483 01:14:28.159 --> 01:14:29.800 I mean more, I give him. 1484 01:14:29.680 --> 01:14:32.680 Credit for that. If he's like, well, I like it, 1485 01:14:32.760 --> 01:14:34.920 I believe in it, and I think all these people 1486 01:14:34.960 --> 01:14:37.039 are wrong. But because they're saying it, I'm going to 1487 01:14:37.079 --> 01:14:39.199 pull the plug on it. That's not good. I mean, 1488 01:14:39.239 --> 01:14:41.000 he's got to go with his own judgment. But if 1489 01:14:41.000 --> 01:14:45.279 he is, if he's willing to adjust and admit to 1490 01:14:45.680 --> 01:14:48.680 himself or not admit but deny it but still make 1491 01:14:48.760 --> 01:14:51.479 changes however he wants to rationalize it, if he adjusts 1492 01:14:51.520 --> 01:14:53.319 on the fly, I mean, that is going to save 1493 01:14:53.399 --> 01:14:55.319 him a lot of money and it's going to serve fans. Well. 1494 01:14:55.760 --> 01:14:57.920 I don't think you should react to a thread. 1495 01:14:57.760 --> 01:15:00.279 On Twitter, you know of you know, four people just 1496 01:15:00.279 --> 01:15:02.640 get under your skin and now to spite them or 1497 01:15:02.880 --> 01:15:05.000 to listen to them or whatever, you overreact. I think 1498 01:15:05.039 --> 01:15:07.439 you can overcorrect based on a really small sample size. 1499 01:15:07.479 --> 01:15:09.840 So to me, it should be you know, an argument 1500 01:15:09.880 --> 01:15:12.399 that's artfully stated, like every single one on this show, 1501 01:15:12.960 --> 01:15:17.640 or or or because even in your mind you kind 1502 01:15:17.640 --> 01:15:19.119 of doubted it and you weren't sure if it was 1503 01:15:19.119 --> 01:15:22.239 gonna work, and some opinion sort of then tips the 1504 01:15:22.319 --> 01:15:26.960 scale towards okay, let's adjust this was a risky move. 1505 01:15:27.520 --> 01:15:30.199 I kind of feared it might not work or or 1506 01:15:30.359 --> 01:15:31.800 I didn't see it coming. I thought there would be 1507 01:15:31.840 --> 01:15:34.359 chemistry and there wasn't. Like so good, that's that's good. 1508 01:15:35.560 --> 01:15:37.840 But yeah, I mean, I think I would give advice 1509 01:15:37.920 --> 01:15:41.279 to any promoter and any person on earth, you know, 1510 01:15:41.319 --> 01:15:44.000 spend less time, especially your public figure. Spend less time 1511 01:15:44.039 --> 01:15:47.359 worrying about a couple dozen people who are really loud 1512 01:15:47.439 --> 01:15:51.039 and sometimes trolls and are insincere telling you things just 1513 01:15:51.079 --> 01:15:52.600 because it makes their day if they get a reaction 1514 01:15:52.640 --> 01:15:54.880 out of you, Like I would, you know, separate yourself 1515 01:15:54.880 --> 01:15:56.279 from that and go for a go for a walk 1516 01:15:56.359 --> 01:15:59.159 or a jog instead, and and you know, just do 1517 01:15:59.239 --> 01:16:01.079 what you do and confident in it, and have some 1518 01:16:01.079 --> 01:16:03.640 trust to people who are actual people, actually people you know, 1519 01:16:03.680 --> 01:16:06.880 with credentials to give you the feedback. And I, you know, 1520 01:16:07.159 --> 01:16:09.800 I hope Tony. I think Tony's surrounded by smart people 1521 01:16:09.840 --> 01:16:12.600 and listens to people he trusts when it comes to 1522 01:16:12.680 --> 01:16:14.199 changes he makes. Tyler you're not on all that. 1523 01:16:15.279 --> 01:16:17.840 Yeah, I kind of have a two pronged approach. I think 1524 01:16:18.079 --> 01:16:21.720 first that wrestling and professional wrestling on television is such 1525 01:16:21.760 --> 01:16:26.560 a unique beast that it is something that is on 1526 01:16:26.600 --> 01:16:28.920 TV week to week and you can you can change 1527 01:16:28.920 --> 01:16:30.920 it on the fly that you can't do with a 1528 01:16:31.039 --> 01:16:33.760 you know, a scripted television show. You know, for example, 1529 01:16:34.359 --> 01:16:36.840 Loki was a very popular show on Disney Plus, and 1530 01:16:36.960 --> 01:16:39.119 you know that show was written and filmed months ago. 1531 01:16:39.279 --> 01:16:42.159 And if you're the showrunner for that show and it's 1532 01:16:42.279 --> 01:16:47.039 the recap for episode three and some some reporter has 1533 01:16:47.079 --> 01:16:48.680 a great point, you're like, oh my god, I wish 1534 01:16:48.720 --> 01:16:50.159 I would have known that I was switching it because 1535 01:16:50.159 --> 01:16:52.199 I think that's a great point. And you know, it's 1536 01:16:52.239 --> 01:16:56.199 just wrestling is unique where you could take good points 1537 01:16:56.239 --> 01:16:59.119 for people that you trust. And I'm not saying that's 1538 01:16:59.159 --> 01:17:01.359 what happens, but you know, if there's good ideas out 1539 01:17:01.359 --> 01:17:03.239 there and they're free out in the ether, there's no 1540 01:17:03.279 --> 01:17:06.199 reason not to implement them to make your product better. 1541 01:17:06.720 --> 01:17:09.800 Is you know, I think it's just smart business if 1542 01:17:09.800 --> 01:17:13.159 it's someone that you trust and you know, and you 1543 01:17:13.199 --> 01:17:14.880 also think it's a good idea. If you're the business 1544 01:17:14.920 --> 01:17:17.960 owner or the promoter. And then two, you know, Tony still, 1545 01:17:18.640 --> 01:17:20.760 you know, knew at this, and he you know, admittedly 1546 01:17:21.760 --> 01:17:24.439 was a fan and was a hardcore fan and had 1547 01:17:25.000 --> 01:17:28.760 lots of subscriptions to the sites out there, and you know, 1548 01:17:28.960 --> 01:17:31.840 he hasn't hit the ten thousand hours or the three 1549 01:17:31.920 --> 01:17:33.720 years or whatever number you need to be an expert 1550 01:17:33.720 --> 01:17:36.600 in something. You know, I think in you know, five 1551 01:17:36.680 --> 01:17:38.720 years from now, I don't know if he'd be as 1552 01:17:38.720 --> 01:17:41.000 inclined just because as a human being to be open 1553 01:17:41.039 --> 01:17:43.359 to as many suggestions and change on the fly. As 1554 01:17:43.680 --> 01:17:47.720 as humans get older, we get more aggressive towards change. 1555 01:17:47.760 --> 01:17:49.399 So I think he's just in a perfect point of 1556 01:17:49.439 --> 01:17:53.119 his life to take feedback and he's just you know, 1557 01:17:53.159 --> 01:17:55.119 in that zone right now. And I'd be surprised if 1558 01:17:55.119 --> 01:17:56.680 me as open to it down the road. So it 1559 01:17:56.720 --> 01:17:58.680 is kind of my two pronged approach to that for 1560 01:17:58.760 --> 01:18:03.159 that situation, and pessimistic, but pref the. 1561 01:18:03.159 --> 01:18:06.880 Fair assessment of human nature. Yeah, Chris, anything. 1562 01:18:06.680 --> 01:18:09.520 Else for us, just a couple of quick hitters. The 1563 01:18:09.960 --> 01:18:13.920 Unwanted Female Canine reference streak is up to ninety five weeks, 1564 01:18:14.000 --> 01:18:16.880 as jay I did it during the entrance for the 1565 01:18:16.880 --> 01:18:20.960 Britt Baker match, and I think, wait, I'm surprised you 1566 01:18:20.960 --> 01:18:24.159 haven't mentioned this before. It is set foot in the ring, 1567 01:18:24.399 --> 01:18:27.479 not stepped foot in the ring. Oh yeah, people need 1568 01:18:27.520 --> 01:18:29.119 to stop saying stepped foot. 1569 01:18:30.680 --> 01:18:33.399 Okay, you know I I every year I vowed to 1570 01:18:33.399 --> 01:18:36.199 be less annoyed by things that people get wrong, you know, 1571 01:18:36.600 --> 01:18:38.520 and now you've just added something to my list that 1572 01:18:38.560 --> 01:18:40.960 wasn't on my radar. So thanks so well. Now'll be 1573 01:18:41.000 --> 01:18:42.159 tortured by something new. 1574 01:18:42.079 --> 01:18:43.560 Until one of the many services. 1575 01:18:43.800 --> 01:18:49.960 Yes absolutely, U. Yeah, I'm I'm letting that. I'm letting 1576 01:18:49.960 --> 01:18:51.880 that settle into my brain here or is this it 1577 01:18:52.000 --> 01:18:58.119 set in my brain? Oh? No, thanks Chris, no worries. 1578 01:18:58.159 --> 01:18:59.239 Thanks guys ever, good evenings. 1579 01:18:59.319 --> 01:18:59.920 Yeah, take care. 1580 01:19:02.600 --> 01:19:05.439 Hey everyone, Greg Parks here. You've probably heard me hosting 1581 01:19:05.479 --> 01:19:07.680 Wrestling Night in America after pay per views and also 1582 01:19:07.760 --> 01:19:10.520 co hosting the Tuesday Flagship with Wade Keller. I also 1583 01:19:10.520 --> 01:19:13.399 host a VIP exclusive podcast every week called Greg Parks 1584 01:19:13.399 --> 01:19:16.039 Out Loud. 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Full details on VIP membership at pw torch 1595 01:19:44.680 --> 01:19:47.960 dot com slash go VIP As an added bonus, VIP 1596 01:19:48.039 --> 01:19:51.039 membership means you won't hear this commercial again or any commercials, 1597 01:19:51.119 --> 01:19:53.439 as commercial breaks are skipped right over on the VIP 1598 01:19:53.560 --> 01:19:57.199 podcast feed. In addition to all the commercial free VIP podcasts, 1599 01:19:57.439 --> 01:19:59.000 check it out. We'd love for you to join our 1600 01:19:59.000 --> 01:20:02.279 community and unlock access to all our VPP exclusive content. 1601 01:20:08.560 --> 01:20:11.439 All right, Well, go to Brian to Boston and then 1602 01:20:11.560 --> 01:20:13.920 probably wrap up there with Javier with Summer on Table Discussion. 1603 01:20:14.479 --> 01:20:16.600 Brian, welcome back, which you think it out of my tonight? 1604 01:20:16.880 --> 01:20:19.119 Hey guys, I hope you're having a good night. I 1605 01:20:19.199 --> 01:20:24.640 thought I thought Dynamite overall was pretty good. The main 1606 01:20:25.279 --> 01:20:27.199 I have a couple of minor points, but I'll get 1607 01:20:27.239 --> 01:20:29.600 to the big major point and wanted to get to first. 1608 01:20:31.079 --> 01:20:34.239 The britt Baker is Britt Baker is probably my favorite 1609 01:20:34.279 --> 01:20:38.399 wrestler in all of the w The Britt Baker and 1610 01:20:38.439 --> 01:20:40.640 Island Rose match was actually really good. I mean I 1611 01:20:40.640 --> 01:20:42.960 wouldn't quite give it four stars out of five, but 1612 01:20:43.399 --> 01:20:46.359 maybe like three point five three point seventy five. That 1613 01:20:46.479 --> 01:20:49.159 was a really good match, and I was glad to 1614 01:20:49.199 --> 01:20:50.760 see her get the win. It was good for what 1615 01:20:50.840 --> 01:20:55.319 it was. But my concern a little bit, I mean, 1616 01:20:56.079 --> 01:20:59.119 is what they're going to do next for her and afterwards, 1617 01:20:59.119 --> 01:21:00.800 because I'm assuming they're going to have her in a 1618 01:21:00.880 --> 01:21:08.199 fairly long title reign. I mean, the obvious play I 1619 01:21:08.239 --> 01:21:10.279 think for all out would be for her to face 1620 01:21:10.359 --> 01:21:13.359 thunder Rosa. You know, but I'm less certain about that 1621 01:21:13.439 --> 01:21:17.520 because thunder Rosa got her ass kicked badly by Dianna 1622 01:21:17.560 --> 01:21:20.479 Parosso It's Slamniversary, so that kind of lowers are stock 1623 01:21:20.560 --> 01:21:25.000 a little bit in my mind. But you know, I mean, 1624 01:21:25.039 --> 01:21:28.560 after Nyla Rose and maybe thunder Rosa, if they decide 1625 01:21:28.560 --> 01:21:30.399 to go in that direction, I mean, who else is 1626 01:21:30.439 --> 01:21:34.079 there for her to feud with? I mean, Jade Cargill no. 1627 01:21:37.760 --> 01:21:40.000 I mean, you could go to the root of ty Konti, 1628 01:21:40.119 --> 01:21:42.439 but that's. 1629 01:21:41.479 --> 01:21:42.359 Not really. 1630 01:21:43.680 --> 01:21:47.479 I mean, and Syria Deed doesn't really have much personality, 1631 01:21:47.520 --> 01:21:49.399 to be honest, or at least she hasn't been given 1632 01:21:49.479 --> 01:21:51.640 enough for it. I mean, you could do Red Velvet 1633 01:21:51.640 --> 01:21:53.399 as a few, but I don't think she's quite ready 1634 01:21:53.439 --> 01:21:57.439 for that yet. So I'm just wondering who who they're 1635 01:21:57.479 --> 01:21:59.800 going to have her feud with after, you know, if 1636 01:21:59.800 --> 01:22:02.159 they go to the obvious route with thunder Rosa. I mean, 1637 01:22:02.840 --> 01:22:04.680 I mean I had my own thoughts on the subject, 1638 01:22:04.680 --> 01:22:06.880 but I've already talked about that, so I kind of 1639 01:22:06.880 --> 01:22:12.479 wanted to shift gears a little bit on that. You know, 1640 01:22:12.560 --> 01:22:17.880 they they have these working partnerships with Impact and nw A. 1641 01:22:18.079 --> 01:22:21.239 Maybe they should probably try to lean more on that. 1642 01:22:21.319 --> 01:22:25.840 I mean, the Camille I believe that's her name, that 1643 01:22:26.279 --> 01:22:30.439 new nw A Lendon's champion. I've heard good things about her, 1644 01:22:30.479 --> 01:22:33.680 and I mean, you know that there's a lot of 1645 01:22:33.720 --> 01:22:36.880 other female wrestlers that Impact. He could use Rosemary Havoc, 1646 01:22:37.319 --> 01:22:40.880 I mean, Deanna Parrazzo. That match has been teased. I 1647 01:22:40.920 --> 01:22:43.640 just think Aw's got to look for something. I mean, 1648 01:22:43.680 --> 01:22:46.520 they've been doing enough shopping around on the male wrestler 1649 01:22:46.560 --> 01:22:49.479 bid with you know, Daniel Bryant potentially now CM punk. 1650 01:22:50.880 --> 01:22:53.239 They got to find women. I know there's not many 1651 01:22:53.319 --> 01:22:55.760 of them, you know, because WWE snapped up all of them. 1652 01:22:55.840 --> 01:22:57.520 Yeah, Bran, let me let me, let me jump in. Yeah, 1653 01:22:57.520 --> 01:22:58.760 I want to jump in and get Tyler thoughts on 1654 01:22:58.760 --> 01:23:00.279 because Jason, Paul and I talked about that on the 1655 01:23:00.279 --> 01:23:03.720 flag Ship yesterday. You know that the I was a 1656 01:23:03.720 --> 01:23:06.720 little more down on the depth chart of the established 1657 01:23:06.800 --> 01:23:10.119 characters who can wrestle and be credible heal opponents, especially 1658 01:23:10.159 --> 01:23:13.920 as Jason pointed out, for for Britt Baker, she goes babyface. Tyler, 1659 01:23:14.000 --> 01:23:15.840 give give your assessment of things. Brant ran down a 1660 01:23:15.840 --> 01:23:17.319 lot of names in a W and elsewhere. 1661 01:23:18.079 --> 01:23:22.079 Yeah, I would agree. I think that the signed Exclusive 1662 01:23:22.159 --> 01:23:28.439 AW women roster is you know, pretty pretty short. I 1663 01:23:28.479 --> 01:23:30.840 mean we've had the same like six women kind of 1664 01:23:30.840 --> 01:23:34.439 in the same spot. If they're not a you know, 1665 01:23:34.600 --> 01:23:38.520 like someone from n W, A like Kinder Rossostrenad someone 1666 01:23:38.600 --> 01:23:40.279 like that. So you know, I think I think the 1667 01:23:40.279 --> 01:23:44.439 easiest course of action is you know, what you allude 1668 01:23:44.479 --> 01:23:48.000 to is signing talent, and you know there's you know, 1669 01:23:48.359 --> 01:23:50.680 I don't know whether they're available, but you know Ruby 1670 01:23:50.720 --> 01:23:52.960 Ryo whatever her name is going to be, or you 1671 01:23:53.000 --> 01:23:57.520 know the Iconics, both of them, whatever their names are 1672 01:23:57.520 --> 01:23:59.960 going to be, as as they're on the another kind. 1673 01:24:00.039 --> 01:24:01.479 But you know, something like that some star parer from 1674 01:24:01.479 --> 01:24:04.359 the outside that WWE is released and have that be 1675 01:24:04.399 --> 01:24:07.760 a big time match for Britt Baker. But you know, 1676 01:24:07.840 --> 01:24:10.199 I think the top you know, sixth women that we've 1677 01:24:10.199 --> 01:24:14.640 seen and discussed here minus you know Shida, it is 1678 01:24:14.720 --> 01:24:17.359 just kind of stale and overdone because all those matches 1679 01:24:17.399 --> 01:24:20.279 have been overbooked over the last couple of years because 1680 01:24:20.279 --> 01:24:22.960 that's all they had. And getting you know, fresh matches 1681 01:24:23.000 --> 01:24:24.920 from other companies is great. You just kind of know 1682 01:24:24.960 --> 01:24:28.399 the result when you have some impact that's not a 1683 01:24:28.479 --> 01:24:32.359 champion going against your champion, you know that that match 1684 01:24:32.399 --> 01:24:35.039 is kind of established. So I think getting big signings 1685 01:24:35.119 --> 01:24:37.399 as big as you can get within the women's division 1686 01:24:37.439 --> 01:24:41.680 and putting some resources behind that. You know, the division 1687 01:24:41.680 --> 01:24:43.720 has improved, but you can always make it better. And 1688 01:24:43.760 --> 01:24:45.560 if there's someone out there you can sign that is 1689 01:24:45.560 --> 01:24:47.640 going to give good quality matches like a Ruby Riot, 1690 01:24:48.319 --> 01:24:49.960 I think that's the way to go to get a 1691 01:24:50.000 --> 01:24:50.720 big match. 1692 01:24:52.920 --> 01:24:55.159 Bryant another topic for us. 1693 01:24:57.039 --> 01:24:59.640 Ruby Riot would be a decent signing, but I'm not 1694 01:24:59.760 --> 01:25:02.119 as high on her as you are. I mean, she 1695 01:25:03.079 --> 01:25:06.720 maybe that's because the WWE thing just to find her down, 1696 01:25:06.840 --> 01:25:09.880 but I mean she'd be a solid signing, but not 1697 01:25:10.039 --> 01:25:12.920 someone I would want really headlining at pay per view. 1698 01:25:12.960 --> 01:25:15.640 I mean the I mean, there's an obvious choice out 1699 01:25:15.680 --> 01:25:18.239 there for like the top one that I don't think 1700 01:25:18.279 --> 01:25:20.239 I need to say whose name that is. But you know, 1701 01:25:20.279 --> 01:25:22.800 there's a lot of baggage there and you really and 1702 01:25:22.880 --> 01:25:26.560 you really have to you really have to get something 1703 01:25:26.600 --> 01:25:31.920 in writing, you know, to say if you screw up, 1704 01:25:31.960 --> 01:25:35.880 I can fire your ass, you know that sort of thing. 1705 01:25:35.960 --> 01:25:39.039 So I mean, I I do tend to think that 1706 01:25:39.199 --> 01:25:41.920 signing will happen at some point, but you know, if 1707 01:25:42.079 --> 01:25:44.840 I'm Tony Kahn, You've got to be extremely careful with 1708 01:25:45.600 --> 01:25:46.680 how that was handled. 1709 01:25:46.720 --> 01:25:48.239 But yeah, I. 1710 01:25:48.600 --> 01:25:51.640 Mean Ruby Riot. I mean, there's just not a whole 1711 01:25:51.680 --> 01:25:54.359 lot out there as far as women are concerned, you know, 1712 01:25:54.439 --> 01:25:56.760 as far as free agents, and I mean Ruby Riot's 1713 01:25:56.760 --> 01:25:58.920 probably the cream of the crop, even though she doesn't 1714 01:25:58.920 --> 01:26:02.640 excite me at all. But as far as another topic 1715 01:26:02.800 --> 01:26:09.199 is concerned, the main event was good, although personally I 1716 01:26:09.239 --> 01:26:11.399 thought the women's title match should have been the main event. 1717 01:26:11.439 --> 01:26:13.520 But it was nice to see, uh, it was nice 1718 01:26:13.560 --> 01:26:15.600 to see Lance Archer get a win he was about 1719 01:26:15.640 --> 01:26:19.720 to do for that. I was actually kind of hoping 1720 01:26:19.720 --> 01:26:22.359 to see Ethan Page tonight, you know, maybe make an 1721 01:26:22.359 --> 01:26:27.439 appearance after the Darby Allen match or something. But you know, 1722 01:26:27.520 --> 01:26:30.680 I don't think this show was It was good, but 1723 01:26:30.680 --> 01:26:32.319 I don't think it was quite as good as it 1724 01:26:32.439 --> 01:26:35.479 was last week, with the exception of the Britt Baker match, 1725 01:26:35.560 --> 01:26:37.960 So I mean, there wasn't a whole lot that. Yeah, 1726 01:26:39.079 --> 01:26:43.920 I mean, the the Andrade uh that triangle thing was 1727 01:26:43.960 --> 01:26:50.159 pretty good. But yeah, my my main concern is, you know, 1728 01:26:50.199 --> 01:26:54.000 are they like booking too much too soon? And you know, 1729 01:26:54.079 --> 01:26:57.119 I my main concern is, you know, you got to 1730 01:26:57.159 --> 01:26:59.600 shore up that women's division. You got to do something 1731 01:26:59.600 --> 01:27:04.319 if that all right? Yeah? 1732 01:27:04.359 --> 01:27:06.279 Cool? Yep, I know, And I think you know, the 1733 01:27:06.399 --> 01:27:08.039 idea and we've heard it from a few callers of 1734 01:27:08.199 --> 01:27:10.159 you know, how does this compare to last week's show. 1735 01:27:10.840 --> 01:27:15.239 I'm hesitant to do that as a rule all the time, 1736 01:27:15.319 --> 01:27:18.079 because you can get yourself into trouble, Tyler, if your 1737 01:27:18.119 --> 01:27:19.720 goal is how do I make this we show better 1738 01:27:19.720 --> 01:27:22.800 than last week's. What I want to see is aw 1739 01:27:23.079 --> 01:27:24.840 just get in a groove, get in a lane, and 1740 01:27:25.199 --> 01:27:28.680 have not this wild variance. But know who they are, 1741 01:27:28.920 --> 01:27:30.800 and I mean here, they're booking a couple of weeks ahead, 1742 01:27:30.840 --> 01:27:33.600 you know, I mean we got you know, Cody and 1743 01:27:33.880 --> 01:27:36.439 Malachi Black. They're advertising that for a couple of weeks out. 1744 01:27:36.439 --> 01:27:38.079 They've got a full line up for next week's show. 1745 01:27:38.479 --> 01:27:40.399 There was there were no Young Bucks tonight. There was 1746 01:27:40.439 --> 01:27:43.920 no Cody in person. There's no Malachi Black there. They 1747 01:27:44.000 --> 01:27:47.520 have depth to not over expose their stars. So some 1748 01:27:47.560 --> 01:27:50.159 shows are going to have more things that somebody likes 1749 01:27:50.359 --> 01:27:55.800 than others, but they know who they are and they do. 1750 01:27:55.840 --> 01:28:00.159 You want that a small standard deviation, especially downward. Every 1751 01:28:00.159 --> 01:28:02.000 once in a while you have just a kick ass, 1752 01:28:02.000 --> 01:28:04.800 amazing show due to variety of you know, angles and 1753 01:28:04.840 --> 01:28:07.439 promos and matches that just click and all that. But 1754 01:28:07.720 --> 01:28:11.159 what you want is a hot crowd and have you know, 1755 01:28:11.279 --> 01:28:13.640 around half of your top guys and around half of 1756 01:28:13.680 --> 01:28:17.119 your mid carters on you know, each show in some 1757 01:28:17.199 --> 01:28:19.560 form or fashion, but keep everyone else fresh by not 1758 01:28:19.600 --> 01:28:22.600 over exposing them. So I stand back a little more 1759 01:28:22.640 --> 01:28:24.439 and go all right, is this a good show within 1760 01:28:24.479 --> 01:28:26.640 the realm and standard deviation of what they're doing now 1761 01:28:26.920 --> 01:28:31.600 and other major concerns or flaws or bad habits on 1762 01:28:31.720 --> 01:28:33.880 this show or are things moving in the right direction? 1763 01:28:33.960 --> 01:28:37.119 And so my assessment is like yes, I mean even 1764 01:28:37.159 --> 01:28:40.359 I'd have to sit down and scroll through both, you know, 1765 01:28:40.399 --> 01:28:42.760 shows to kind of remind myself, and I could grade 1766 01:28:42.800 --> 01:28:44.840 and go, well, this was a you know, eighty seven 1767 01:28:44.880 --> 01:28:46.439 out of one hundred. In last week was a eighty 1768 01:28:46.520 --> 01:28:48.399 nine out of one hundred or something or you know whatever. 1769 01:28:48.800 --> 01:28:50.880 But I don't think that should be I think Tony 1770 01:28:50.920 --> 01:28:52.880 Kank get in trouble trying to just one up himself 1771 01:28:52.880 --> 01:28:55.199 each week. And I don't think a good show with 1772 01:28:55.239 --> 01:28:59.359 a hot crowd should be it should be framed negatively. 1773 01:28:59.439 --> 01:29:01.439 If last week was a slightly hotter show with a 1774 01:29:01.439 --> 01:29:04.359 slightly hotter crowd, that also played more to what your 1775 01:29:04.399 --> 01:29:07.159 preferences are in wrestling. So that's kind of my take 1776 01:29:07.199 --> 01:29:09.920 on something Brian said, but also what a couple other 1777 01:29:09.960 --> 01:29:11.800 callers had said about this week compared to last week. 1778 01:29:12.760 --> 01:29:15.319 Yeah, I agree, and you know, I think, you know, 1779 01:29:15.359 --> 01:29:16.920 you want to have some metric that you're going by, 1780 01:29:17.439 --> 01:29:21.399 either something that's that's subjective or objective. But you know, 1781 01:29:21.479 --> 01:29:23.560 if if I were Tony, I would say, you know, 1782 01:29:23.680 --> 01:29:26.640 did do we have the best wrestling show on national 1783 01:29:26.640 --> 01:29:31.319 television this week? That probably be a small goal, the 1784 01:29:31.359 --> 01:29:32.920 sort of hand goal to be like, Okay, I have 1785 01:29:32.960 --> 01:29:33.800 a guest Tyler. 1786 01:29:33.920 --> 01:29:37.199 I think Tony thinks his show is always the best 1787 01:29:37.199 --> 01:29:38.399 show on cable television. 1788 01:29:38.680 --> 01:29:41.760 Yeah, so yeah, there you go. That's a good, good 1789 01:29:41.800 --> 01:29:43.720 bench work to hit every week for him. Then I 1790 01:29:43.720 --> 01:29:46.439 would say so, But yeah, beyond that, you don't want 1791 01:29:46.439 --> 01:29:47.800 to you know, if you do that, then you're going 1792 01:29:47.840 --> 01:29:50.479 to have you know, you'll have a you'll have Daniel 1793 01:29:50.479 --> 01:29:52.439 Brian come in and attack q T. Marshall just to 1794 01:29:52.479 --> 01:29:54.720 have a hot show instead of saving that for the 1795 01:29:54.760 --> 01:29:56.920 right moment that I'm going to be remembered long term. 1796 01:29:56.960 --> 01:29:59.159 And yeah, so you know, I think, like what you say, 1797 01:29:59.319 --> 01:30:03.560 just the show consistent, is it relatively hot? Is it 1798 01:30:05.119 --> 01:30:06.479 you know, is it just going in the right direction? 1799 01:30:06.680 --> 01:30:10.079 Like you said, I mean, it's it's such a subjective thing, 1800 01:30:10.279 --> 01:30:12.960 like I said, pro wrestling so weird that you know, 1801 01:30:13.000 --> 01:30:14.279 you just kind of know or you don't know if 1802 01:30:14.279 --> 01:30:16.279 a show is on the right trajector or not the 1803 01:30:16.319 --> 01:30:19.119 right trajectory. You know, before AW, it was the debate 1804 01:30:19.159 --> 01:30:22.079 of hey, is ROW better or SmackDown better? And you know, 1805 01:30:22.159 --> 01:30:23.560 it kind of goes that way for six months and 1806 01:30:23.600 --> 01:30:25.199 then kind of flip all of a sudden, you're like, oh, 1807 01:30:25.239 --> 01:30:27.159 this is actually the better show now. And that's kind 1808 01:30:27.159 --> 01:30:29.920 of how I feel when I judge shows like with AW. 1809 01:30:30.039 --> 01:30:32.680 You know, it's been a long run here where it's 1810 01:30:32.680 --> 01:30:35.800 consistently been the better show, and they've been good week 1811 01:30:35.840 --> 01:30:40.399 in and week out. A very rough subjective view, but yeah, 1812 01:30:40.479 --> 01:30:43.159 if you can be a week to week, it's a 1813 01:30:43.399 --> 01:30:45.760 dubious thing because I can't tell you if this show 1814 01:30:45.840 --> 01:30:48.039 is better than six weeks ago, but I can probably 1815 01:30:48.039 --> 01:30:49.800 tell you it was Gorden last week, and that probably 1816 01:30:50.079 --> 01:30:53.800 proves that that's kind of a losing debate within your 1817 01:30:53.800 --> 01:30:55.720 own head that doesn't really matter for the quality of 1818 01:30:55.760 --> 01:30:56.079 the show. 1819 01:30:56.399 --> 01:30:59.239 Any guests on Tony Kahn's announcement next week big annuncement 1820 01:30:59.239 --> 01:31:00.159 about a future event. 1821 01:31:02.000 --> 01:31:07.720 It's probably some sort of it's either their first stadium 1822 01:31:07.720 --> 01:31:11.319 show sometime in next spring or summer, so they've booked, 1823 01:31:11.520 --> 01:31:14.359 or at some sort of cool venue like Arthur Ash. 1824 01:31:14.479 --> 01:31:16.720 I would imagine I'm thinking it's going to be a 1825 01:31:16.880 --> 01:31:19.640 UK based pay per view. To me that I think 1826 01:31:19.680 --> 01:31:21.840 that's I mean, I know it's been talked about, but 1827 01:31:22.720 --> 01:31:26.520 telling that to your national audience, that seems like that'd 1828 01:31:26.520 --> 01:31:28.760 bring Tony Kahan you know, into the ring or you know, 1829 01:31:28.880 --> 01:31:30.760 on camera for a rare dynamite appearance. 1830 01:31:31.800 --> 01:31:33.239 Yeah, that's good call. 1831 01:31:33.479 --> 01:31:35.000 Yeah. 1832 01:31:35.600 --> 01:31:37.520 If you're listening to us on the Apple podcast app, 1833 01:31:37.520 --> 01:31:39.600 on Spotify or any other app that allows you to 1834 01:31:39.680 --> 01:31:41.520 rate our podcast, please take a moment to give us 1835 01:31:41.560 --> 01:31:43.720 a five star rating. It really helps us in the 1836 01:31:43.760 --> 01:31:47.600 algorithm and helps them know that you recommend us to others. 1837 01:31:47.720 --> 01:31:49.600 Just look for a place to rate the show on Spotify, 1838 01:31:49.600 --> 01:31:51.840 on Apple Podcasts, or wherever you're listening to our shows, 1839 01:31:51.920 --> 01:31:54.039 and please click that five star rating, and of course, 1840 01:31:54.079 --> 01:32:02.800 thank you so much for listening. All right, let's bring 1841 01:32:02.920 --> 01:32:07.239 Hobber on a people Torch VIP podcaster to talk about 1842 01:32:07.239 --> 01:32:11.039 what we haven't talked about yet. There you go, Hobre, 1843 01:32:12.359 --> 01:32:12.920 how's it going. 1844 01:32:14.600 --> 01:32:15.359 I couldn't even hear that. 1845 01:32:15.439 --> 01:32:17.600 I couldn't even hear that. Hey wait, Sage, here's it going. 1846 01:32:18.399 --> 01:32:20.000 Well, let's let's try it again here, Let's. 1847 01:32:19.800 --> 01:32:25.560 See okay, there there? 1848 01:32:25.640 --> 01:32:25.960 All right? 1849 01:32:27.319 --> 01:32:29.039 Yeah, it broke up. 1850 01:32:29.479 --> 01:32:32.720 I had like one note and death and then one note. 1851 01:32:33.680 --> 01:32:35.800 It was like probably connection issues. 1852 01:32:36.439 --> 01:32:38.520 Uh the uh? 1853 01:32:40.119 --> 01:32:42.239 The podcast isn't being brought by it brought to us 1854 01:32:42.239 --> 01:32:42.960 by Peacock, is it? 1855 01:32:43.760 --> 01:32:44.720 No? No? 1856 01:32:44.720 --> 01:32:47.920 No, because that would have cleaned some of the technicals 1857 01:32:48.159 --> 01:32:48.880 things that we've had. 1858 01:32:48.720 --> 01:32:49.119 In the path. 1859 01:32:49.439 --> 01:32:53.319 Yes, uh the uh. 1860 01:32:53.800 --> 01:32:56.159 I thought it was a good show. I enjoyed it. 1861 01:32:57.680 --> 01:33:00.680 They did more on that Texas Death Match that I 1862 01:33:00.680 --> 01:33:01.720 thought they were going to going to. 1863 01:33:02.039 --> 01:33:02.800 Uh, since this. 1864 01:33:02.760 --> 01:33:09.199 Would be for the IWGB Championship, I US Championship, I 1865 01:33:09.640 --> 01:33:12.199 did not think that they're gonna go you know, do 1866 01:33:12.560 --> 01:33:16.239 as much as they did. I do have to say 1867 01:33:16.439 --> 01:33:18.800 they did say this was held by New Japan rules. 1868 01:33:19.000 --> 01:33:21.920 New Japan's a twenty count, not a ten count. Moxley 1869 01:33:21.960 --> 01:33:22.960 should still be champions. 1870 01:33:24.880 --> 01:33:28.640 Well, it is our Texas death match. New Japan has 1871 01:33:28.640 --> 01:33:30.439 a twenty count and a regular match. But if you're 1872 01:33:30.439 --> 01:33:33.880 in Texas and it's a Texas death match, does that 1873 01:33:33.960 --> 01:33:37.600 over does that override the New Japan twenty count? 1874 01:33:39.760 --> 01:33:42.880 I mean, do death matches even have counts on the outside. 1875 01:33:44.800 --> 01:33:49.159 In does New Japan match have a either knockout or submission? 1876 01:33:49.239 --> 01:33:52.079 That was also a weird stipulation. I thought for a 1877 01:33:52.079 --> 01:33:53.800 new Japan style match. 1878 01:33:54.439 --> 01:33:56.239 I think you were stuck to Barberie where the match 1879 01:33:56.239 --> 01:33:58.359 should be over. I don't care what country you're in, 1880 01:34:02.720 --> 01:34:03.760 uh so. 1881 01:34:03.840 --> 01:34:04.840 The Mercy world, the. 1882 01:34:06.880 --> 01:34:08.079 Don Uh. 1883 01:34:08.439 --> 01:34:13.079 But but outside of a little uh niggling uh problems 1884 01:34:13.119 --> 01:34:15.479 with with those rules, I thought it was I thought 1885 01:34:15.479 --> 01:34:21.520 it was well done. I'm mildly concerned that Hickeleo is 1886 01:34:21.560 --> 01:34:22.279 the next one up. 1887 01:34:22.920 --> 01:34:23.039 Uh. 1888 01:34:23.199 --> 01:34:26.720 Hickeleos a very young wrestler. He had I'm strong he 1889 01:34:26.720 --> 01:34:30.119 hasn't really done anything to really Uh. He had one 1890 01:34:30.119 --> 01:34:31.000 really good match. 1891 01:34:30.760 --> 01:34:31.520 With Fred Rosser. 1892 01:34:31.720 --> 01:34:35.159 But outside of well, one and one atrocious match that 1893 01:34:35.199 --> 01:34:35.600 I hated. 1894 01:34:36.000 --> 01:34:36.359 Uh. 1895 01:34:36.479 --> 01:34:37.479 But outside of that. 1896 01:34:37.600 --> 01:34:40.039 You know, uh, it is interesting to see him be 1897 01:34:40.119 --> 01:34:43.239 the next challenger for for Archer or the first challenger 1898 01:34:43.239 --> 01:34:43.680 for Archer. 1899 01:34:43.880 --> 01:34:45.119 What what do you think the point of that is? 1900 01:34:46.479 --> 01:34:47.119 No, who. 1901 01:34:48.560 --> 01:34:50.560 I mean? I think it would be a good test 1902 01:34:50.600 --> 01:34:54.800 for him, for for for Forkla, it will be a 1903 01:34:55.000 --> 01:34:59.319 good test for him. It's just because he's I don't know, 1904 01:34:59.359 --> 01:35:01.439 it's just like he hasn't really done anything. But maybe 1905 01:35:01.439 --> 01:35:03.439 even front of a big crowd like this, we'll see 1906 01:35:03.479 --> 01:35:05.520 what what you know, what it is and I think 1907 01:35:05.520 --> 01:35:09.520 it's just basically gets particularly a more experience. He's technically 1908 01:35:10.399 --> 01:35:13.920 should be an excursion right now because he did graduate 1909 01:35:13.920 --> 01:35:16.840 from Young Lion status, so it's it'd be a good 1910 01:35:17.079 --> 01:35:19.079 and you know, a good a good test. It's all 1911 01:35:19.279 --> 01:35:21.479 kind of but you know, from someone who's watching Strong, 1912 01:35:21.560 --> 01:35:24.680 it kind of feels weird that, oh, he's already getting 1913 01:35:24.800 --> 01:35:27.119 you know, a shot at you know, an i w 1914 01:35:27.319 --> 01:35:32.279 GP title already, but you know it's I think it 1915 01:35:32.920 --> 01:35:35.920 depends on how the match turns out next next. 1916 01:35:35.680 --> 01:35:38.000 Week, I think right next week. 1917 01:35:40.600 --> 01:35:44.279 Yeah, so I am interested to see what he does. 1918 01:35:44.319 --> 01:35:47.600 But it is there anyways, like an olive bration to 1919 01:35:47.640 --> 01:35:51.479 get Tom a tongue and tongaloa to to have like 1920 01:35:51.520 --> 01:35:54.560 a young Bucks feud and the future point it's some 1921 01:35:54.600 --> 01:35:55.800 sort of olibrations in the family. 1922 01:35:57.039 --> 01:36:00.039 Well, because I was thinking about that because with a 1923 01:36:00.199 --> 01:36:03.880 White showing up on Impact, I actually recorded the New 1924 01:36:03.920 --> 01:36:06.920 Japan Pride podcast today, but I hadn't finished edding, so 1925 01:36:06.960 --> 01:36:08.520 I'm like, let me watch this to see, you know, 1926 01:36:08.520 --> 01:36:12.560 so I could include whatever happens, and obviously a lot happened, 1927 01:36:13.640 --> 01:36:16.880 uh in respect to the UHT the h to a 1928 01:36:16.880 --> 01:36:21.159 New Japan title. Uh, because with the whole j White thing. 1929 01:36:21.600 --> 01:36:24.920 J White had been in New Japan talking about uh, 1930 01:36:25.079 --> 01:36:29.479 well mainly on Impact. Uh Kenny Omega and the Good 1931 01:36:29.479 --> 01:36:32.399 Brothers have been like referencing Bullet Club like that they 1932 01:36:32.399 --> 01:36:35.439 were Bullet Club, and then in New Japan, J White 1933 01:36:35.439 --> 01:36:38.560 had been pushing back on it. I wouldn't be surprised. 1934 01:36:38.560 --> 01:36:40.039 I thought I was gonna have an impact, but I 1935 01:36:40.079 --> 01:36:43.159 would not be surprised if we do get Tama Tonga 1936 01:36:43.199 --> 01:36:46.840 and Tonga Loa in some way shape or form at 1937 01:36:46.880 --> 01:36:49.520 aw SM at some point cool. 1938 01:36:50.319 --> 01:36:53.920 I think that solid match. Yeah, bullet Club story going 1939 01:36:54.000 --> 01:36:55.600 and uh yeah, I think it'd be a good use 1940 01:36:55.640 --> 01:36:56.159 of count. 1941 01:36:58.840 --> 01:37:01.600 And I And the thing is, I feel like this 1942 01:37:01.680 --> 01:37:04.159 has been early because I know there's gonna be a 1943 01:37:06.079 --> 01:37:11.199 New Japan a w and probably with Impact Super Show 1944 01:37:11.359 --> 01:37:13.039 at some point down the road. I was thinking, like 1945 01:37:13.079 --> 01:37:16.039 a year down the road or something, because I'm seeing 1946 01:37:16.039 --> 01:37:21.039 a lot of like pieces being moved, you know, to 1947 01:37:20.680 --> 01:37:25.079 to strengthen that. Uh you don't think that that might 1948 01:37:25.079 --> 01:37:27.640 be what he's announcing, like a like a Madison Square 1949 01:37:27.680 --> 01:37:30.199 Garden show for next year, where with New Japan and 1950 01:37:30.399 --> 01:37:31.399 aw Tallent. 1951 01:37:32.359 --> 01:37:36.319 I think that is in the realm of reasonable speculation. 1952 01:37:36.560 --> 01:37:37.439 I'll put it that way. 1953 01:37:40.119 --> 01:37:43.119 I mean, I think we have a better, better authority 1954 01:37:43.119 --> 01:37:44.600 on that. I just don't think a w would need 1955 01:37:44.640 --> 01:37:47.680 them to sell Madison Square Garden at this point. They're 1956 01:37:47.720 --> 01:37:51.359 not They're not Ring of Honor. So I think if 1957 01:37:51.399 --> 01:37:52.840 you're gonna do that kind of show, I think you 1958 01:37:52.880 --> 01:37:57.319 do that like next summer in you know, at MetLife 1959 01:37:57.319 --> 01:38:01.079 Stadium or you know, Soldier Field Older or somewhere like that. 1960 01:38:01.159 --> 01:38:03.039 I think I think you go all out and do 1961 01:38:03.079 --> 01:38:05.239 a huge stadium show and prove that you can do 1962 01:38:05.319 --> 01:38:08.239 it and maybe you had your bets with with talent 1963 01:38:08.279 --> 01:38:10.760 from from New Japan and elsewhere and have a super show. 1964 01:38:11.159 --> 01:38:14.039 But uh but yeah, maybe you know, I think. 1965 01:38:15.960 --> 01:38:16.880 Is negotiatable. 1966 01:38:17.079 --> 01:38:20.239 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean I think that's it's always. Yeah. 1967 01:38:20.319 --> 01:38:22.439 I think if it's open to it, and that's like 1968 01:38:22.760 --> 01:38:27.079 you know a fantasy you know, fantasy match factory. Basically, 1969 01:38:27.479 --> 01:38:29.239 it should always if it's possible, it should always be 1970 01:38:29.520 --> 01:38:31.000 looked upon as a as an option. 1971 01:38:33.439 --> 01:38:37.079 And the did they mention before I bring this up 1972 01:38:37.760 --> 01:38:40.319 in case I missed it? Did they mention Kenny Omega's 1973 01:38:40.319 --> 01:38:43.960 defense of the Impact World title at all? 1974 01:38:44.560 --> 01:38:48.319 It's so weird. It's it's it's it's like NXT and B. 1975 01:38:48.520 --> 01:38:52.199 That's just a there's not a consistent, you know, rule 1976 01:38:52.399 --> 01:38:54.600 that you can explain in terms of what does and 1977 01:38:54.600 --> 01:38:55.560 doesn't get acknowledged. 1978 01:38:56.319 --> 01:39:00.399 Yeah, that upsets me more than because I don't need 1979 01:39:00.560 --> 01:39:03.239 them to constantly be talking about oh, he's also impact 1980 01:39:03.239 --> 01:39:05.720 titled the championcause I have heard some people you know, 1981 01:39:05.760 --> 01:39:08.119 talk about that at everything, you know, them referring everything 1982 01:39:08.119 --> 01:39:11.359 he's doing an impact. But he did defend the title 1983 01:39:11.520 --> 01:39:15.279 against Sammy Callahan, one of their top guys, in a 1984 01:39:15.800 --> 01:39:18.560 you know, brutal hardcore match, some of the one we 1985 01:39:18.680 --> 01:39:22.680 ended up getting to Night with a too. You know, 1986 01:39:22.680 --> 01:39:24.640 two times in one week where I saw someone get 1987 01:39:24.640 --> 01:39:28.600 stabbed in the face with a fork uh uh and 1988 01:39:29.000 --> 01:39:33.279 uh and and even pizza cutter uh in the Kenny 1989 01:39:33.279 --> 01:39:37.359 Omega match, and you would think, you know, and you know, 1990 01:39:37.960 --> 01:39:42.039 if you're following the Kenny Omega character and you're a 1991 01:39:42.079 --> 01:39:44.840 Kenny Omega fan, you're following him from promotion and promotion. 1992 01:39:45.560 --> 01:39:47.840 I mean, I don't need them to say, like describe 1993 01:39:47.840 --> 01:39:50.520 what happened in the match, but at least the line saying, 1994 01:39:50.560 --> 01:39:53.520 you know, uh, he's beat up because of you know, 1995 01:39:53.640 --> 01:39:56.520 he did defend the title last week, and it feeds 1996 01:39:56.600 --> 01:39:59.239 into the narrative of he's busy and he's doing a 1997 01:39:59.239 --> 01:40:01.039 lot of other things. He goes, oh, he just defended 1998 01:40:01.079 --> 01:40:02.479 one of his silence this week, and you don't even 1999 01:40:02.520 --> 01:40:05.359 need to call impact by naw. Yeah, but at the 2000 01:40:05.479 --> 01:40:09.479 very least, like, you know, yeah, do something to support 2001 01:40:09.520 --> 01:40:12.279 the people who are following the Keny of Mega story 2002 01:40:12.319 --> 01:40:13.800 and are following the Kenye to make a brand is 2003 01:40:13.800 --> 01:40:17.600 supposed necessarily the aw and Impact grant. So yeah, that 2004 01:40:17.760 --> 01:40:20.520 that kind of you know, rub me a bit the 2005 01:40:20.560 --> 01:40:21.000 wrong way. 2006 01:40:21.640 --> 01:40:24.920 I'm with you on that. I'd like to see, like 2007 01:40:24.960 --> 01:40:28.159 you said, there's a happy medium between whatever Tony's avoiding 2008 01:40:28.439 --> 01:40:31.840 for whatever reason and and just what they did tonight, 2009 01:40:32.079 --> 01:40:34.560 you know, and and you know, just an allusion to 2010 01:40:34.600 --> 01:40:38.439 it is is enough. So it seems like it's it's 2011 01:40:38.720 --> 01:40:41.279 you know, as we say, cannon, you know, And I 2012 01:40:41.279 --> 01:40:41.840 think an otomy. 2013 01:40:42.039 --> 01:40:43.920 If I was a premier restor account, I would prefer 2014 01:40:44.279 --> 01:40:46.920 to talk about another company before I let my top 2015 01:40:47.000 --> 01:40:51.039 guy wrestle at twenty eight minute hardcore match. I think 2016 01:40:51.079 --> 01:40:53.159 one of you know, those two options, I'd rather just 2017 01:40:53.279 --> 01:40:55.920 say impact once for for thirty seconds as opposed to 2018 01:40:55.960 --> 01:40:58.680 lend my guy who potentially get injured. That is, uh 2019 01:40:58.800 --> 01:41:01.600 would cause major problems with an ongoing storyline if he 2020 01:41:01.640 --> 01:41:04.560 got injured. So it's it's supremely odd to me. 2021 01:41:05.720 --> 01:41:06.479 Yeah. 2022 01:41:05.960 --> 01:41:11.000 The the other thing I have the one thing about 2023 01:41:11.079 --> 01:41:14.079 Tony Condam notices that he he tends to strike while 2024 01:41:14.079 --> 01:41:18.119 Aaron is hot, because like, all of a sudden, you know, you're. 2025 01:41:18.000 --> 01:41:20.880 Hearing Nick Gay's uh, you know name out there because 2026 01:41:20.920 --> 01:41:25.439 of the documentary and stuff, and you know, I was thinking, 2027 01:41:25.439 --> 01:41:27.039 I wouldn't be surprised if he like a couple of 2028 01:41:27.039 --> 01:41:29.800 weeks ago, I wouldn't be surprised if if Tony Conan 2029 01:41:29.800 --> 01:41:31.720 didn't like at least do something with him. And then 2030 01:41:31.800 --> 01:41:33.399 they dropped his name, and then all of a sudden 2031 01:41:33.439 --> 01:41:36.720 he's on on the show, and I'm like, you know, 2032 01:41:38.199 --> 01:41:39.800 I'm surprised. 2033 01:41:39.279 --> 01:41:39.720 And I. 2034 01:41:41.600 --> 01:41:44.439 I don't know, I was thinking that with all the 2035 01:41:44.479 --> 01:41:47.359 talk about, oh man, this matches, you know, grantually brutal, 2036 01:41:47.359 --> 01:41:50.079 its gonna be, you know whatever, I wouldn't be surprised 2037 01:41:50.079 --> 01:41:52.840 if you have a straight up psychologically found wrestling mask 2038 01:41:53.560 --> 01:41:56.760 and then M Jeff come out all angry and it's 2039 01:41:57.039 --> 01:41:59.039 and then nick Case says, Oh, it's because I respect him, 2040 01:41:59.079 --> 01:42:01.319 but I don't respect you, and then unleash just some 2041 01:42:01.359 --> 01:42:04.079 of the you know, hardcore stuff onto m JF that 2042 01:42:04.199 --> 01:42:07.439 sort of thing, so that people still get something of 2043 01:42:07.439 --> 01:42:09.439 what they expect from Nick Cage, but it's on MJF 2044 01:42:09.520 --> 01:42:11.720 and that Jericho in. 2045 01:42:11.720 --> 01:42:13.880 That h So like the Nick Kay's character, he's all 2046 01:42:13.920 --> 01:42:16.359 about getting paid, getting money, So that would work if 2047 01:42:16.359 --> 01:42:18.479 he was like a mercenary role. I think that would 2048 01:42:18.520 --> 01:42:20.720 be supremely funny. I would be I would be all 2049 01:42:20.760 --> 01:42:21.359 for that story. 2050 01:42:22.560 --> 01:42:24.520 I would I've not ruled that out. I'm chuckling at 2051 01:42:24.560 --> 01:42:27.039 at the concept of it. But I also I think 2052 01:42:27.079 --> 01:42:29.239 there's a chance that there is a curveball come in 2053 01:42:29.239 --> 01:42:30.960 our way as far as that goes as opposed to, 2054 01:42:31.239 --> 01:42:34.000 you know, just the painmaker getting getting down and dirty 2055 01:42:34.039 --> 01:42:35.399 like Sammy Callahan. 2056 01:42:35.760 --> 01:42:37.680 And and and and stay on Jericho. One of the 2057 01:42:37.680 --> 01:42:40.279 things that you meant you mentioned earlier on the on 2058 01:42:40.319 --> 01:42:44.199 the call uh Way, you mentioned that that Jericho is 2059 01:42:44.239 --> 01:42:46.319 having like one of the best runs of his career 2060 01:42:46.399 --> 01:42:49.279 and the best reactions career. What I found amazing is 2061 01:42:49.279 --> 01:42:51.920 that he is imagine what he could have been if 2062 01:42:51.920 --> 01:42:55.760 he didn't have two companies working at cross purposes against. 2063 01:42:55.560 --> 01:42:58.479 Him, I know, I mean in a way that made 2064 01:42:58.560 --> 01:42:59.840 him who he is. You know what I was sort 2065 01:42:59.880 --> 01:43:01.479 of cliche. You know, I am who I am because 2066 01:43:01.520 --> 01:43:03.720 of all the hardships I've been through. But I don't 2067 01:43:03.760 --> 01:43:06.359 know that he is as good as he is at 2068 01:43:06.399 --> 01:43:08.520 this age, doing what he does the way that he 2069 01:43:08.560 --> 01:43:11.279 does it. If his journey wasn't his journey, you know 2070 01:43:11.279 --> 01:43:13.119 what I mean. So that doesn't mean but hey, would 2071 01:43:13.159 --> 01:43:16.920 you trade him being a bit you know, a I 2072 01:43:16.920 --> 01:43:22.840 don't know, Like I think the legend of Jericho has 2073 01:43:23.840 --> 01:43:28.000 has meshed well with his ring IQ and his immense 2074 01:43:28.479 --> 01:43:32.199 ego is immense drive that's based on his you know, 2075 01:43:32.319 --> 01:43:34.880 his ego and it famous people need to have an 2076 01:43:34.880 --> 01:43:36.520 ego to bother with all the crap that comes with 2077 01:43:36.600 --> 01:43:39.800 being famous. You know, money is money doesn't bring you happiness, 2078 01:43:39.800 --> 01:43:42.640 but you know, fame can satisfy an ego and then 2079 01:43:42.680 --> 01:43:45.159 money comes along with it. I think all that came, 2080 01:43:45.239 --> 01:43:46.840 you know, all that has come together to make him 2081 01:43:46.880 --> 01:43:48.840 who he is. And I think if his you know, 2082 01:43:48.920 --> 01:43:51.640 best friend was a promoter and he got booked, you know, 2083 01:43:51.760 --> 01:43:54.560 over pushed and was a centerpiece act and didn't have 2084 01:43:54.600 --> 01:43:57.319 things headwinds working against him. I don't know that at 2085 01:43:57.560 --> 01:43:59.560 age fifty he is who he is. And I don't 2086 01:43:59.560 --> 01:44:01.720 know that he did went and did proved what he 2087 01:44:01.720 --> 01:44:04.920 proved in Japan and took a chance, you know, with 2088 01:44:04.960 --> 01:44:07.359 aw although he was paid well to take that chance. 2089 01:44:07.399 --> 01:44:08.840 So I don't know. I mean, what do you think 2090 01:44:08.840 --> 01:44:09.399 of that, Tyler? 2091 01:44:10.840 --> 01:44:14.279 Yeah, I mean it's hard to say, I mean to 2092 01:44:14.359 --> 01:44:17.600 get not to get too philosophical, but like, are any 2093 01:44:17.640 --> 01:44:19.800 of us who we are without the exact path that 2094 01:44:19.840 --> 01:44:22.600 we walked down? So you know, I kind of lean 2095 01:44:22.760 --> 01:44:26.199 more towards you of like, Yeah, if Jericho was you know, 2096 01:44:27.279 --> 01:44:30.560 born a ganya right to bring it home to you, Wade, 2097 01:44:30.600 --> 01:44:34.159 I don't know if he'd be the person that he 2098 01:44:34.279 --> 01:44:37.399 is today versus you know. I mean, not that he 2099 01:44:37.439 --> 01:44:39.840 didn't have advantages. I mean, his dad was a professional 2100 01:44:39.880 --> 01:44:43.000 athlete who's you know, had had good genetics to be 2101 01:44:43.079 --> 01:44:47.640 a professional athlete and just had to drive because he, yeah, 2102 01:44:47.680 --> 01:44:49.439 did not get all those breaks when he got into 2103 01:44:49.439 --> 01:44:52.000 the business. So yeah, I think if he had been 2104 01:44:52.000 --> 01:44:55.279 given lots of opportunities easily, I don't think he'd be 2105 01:44:56.760 --> 01:44:59.000 the person he is today. I think it's pretty easy 2106 01:44:59.000 --> 01:44:59.600 to agree. 2107 01:44:59.399 --> 01:45:04.520 With, ay stuff. Do you ever watch a WWE and 2108 01:45:04.600 --> 01:45:05.720 think it used to be better? 2109 01:45:05.920 --> 01:45:07.800 I don't know, josh Sometimes I think it used to 2110 01:45:07.840 --> 01:45:08.760 be a whole lot worse. 2111 01:45:09.039 --> 01:45:10.760 I mean, whether it's WrestleMania main. 2112 01:45:10.640 --> 01:45:12.399 Events, old dudes at the. 2113 01:45:12.359 --> 01:45:14.880 Top, too many titles. 2114 01:45:14.399 --> 01:45:15.399 Or women's wrestling. 2115 01:45:15.600 --> 01:45:18.399 We're here to answer the big question, is it worse 2116 01:45:18.720 --> 01:45:19.159 or better? 2117 01:45:19.279 --> 01:45:19.560 Now? 2118 01:45:19.960 --> 01:45:21.600 Join me Joshua. 2119 01:45:21.199 --> 01:45:23.239 White and me Stephanie Chase. 2120 01:45:23.319 --> 01:45:26.239 For Worse or Better, part of the pw Torch Daily 2121 01:45:26.279 --> 01:45:28.199 Cast line up, dropping on Monday nights. 2122 01:45:28.479 --> 01:45:31.479 Search pw Torch in your podcast apps such as Apple 2123 01:45:31.520 --> 01:45:34.960 Podcasts or Spotify to subscribe for free or get a 2124 01:45:35.000 --> 01:45:38.840 commercial free version with the pw Torch VIP membership. Check 2125 01:45:38.840 --> 01:45:42.319 out pw torch dot com slash go vip for details 2126 01:45:42.319 --> 01:45:43.560 and going vip. 2127 01:45:43.640 --> 01:45:46.800 Worse or Better Finally, something for wrestling fans to do 2128 01:45:46.920 --> 01:45:53.279 on Monday nights. 2129 01:45:54.000 --> 01:45:55.039 Have you heard anything else you want to? 2130 01:45:55.760 --> 01:45:55.960 Yes? 2131 01:45:57.159 --> 01:46:02.000 The uh? Well, keeping on? You've been saying way. One 2132 01:46:02.000 --> 01:46:03.960 thing that I've picked up you've been saying a lot 2133 01:46:04.039 --> 01:46:07.199 lately on various podcasts and stuff is you've been bringing 2134 01:46:07.239 --> 01:46:09.159 up that it's not about you, and you've been saying 2135 01:46:09.159 --> 01:46:12.600 that phrase a lot, and I love it because it 2136 01:46:12.720 --> 01:46:16.399 goes to show that lately we've been seeing a lot 2137 01:46:16.520 --> 01:46:19.199 more different types of stories and a lot more different 2138 01:46:19.199 --> 01:46:23.880 types of wrestling styles coming to the forefront, and so 2139 01:46:23.920 --> 01:46:27.560 there's more for everybody who has like their own, you know, 2140 01:46:27.720 --> 01:46:31.640 favorite style. So I think that, I mean, that's one 2141 01:46:31.680 --> 01:46:34.319 thing that's been exciting about about wrestling, and like, if 2142 01:46:34.319 --> 01:46:36.760 you don't like what ww' is feeding, you go to AW. 2143 01:46:36.880 --> 01:46:38.840 If you don't like something in AW, then you know 2144 01:46:38.880 --> 01:46:40.119 you have other options. 2145 01:46:41.439 --> 01:46:45.279 Yes, that's I mean, there's nothing wrong with different visions 2146 01:46:45.319 --> 01:46:47.399 for what progress and can be. And the goal is 2147 01:46:47.960 --> 01:46:51.000 it's not about doing just one vision and being angry 2148 01:46:51.000 --> 01:46:55.119 that they're not doing that. It's about whatever choice you make, 2149 01:46:55.199 --> 01:46:57.640 whatever your vision is or your your style, just do 2150 01:46:57.720 --> 01:46:59.680 it well and do it in a way that's respectful 2151 01:46:59.720 --> 01:47:02.279 to the eyes audience and respectful to your wrestlers and 2152 01:47:02.600 --> 01:47:05.880 doesn't feel mean spirited and doesn't feel spiteful. 2153 01:47:06.239 --> 01:47:07.479 But enough about money not raw. 2154 01:47:13.399 --> 01:47:15.960 Uh Yeah, I was, I was thinking about starting with 2155 01:47:16.000 --> 01:47:19.119 a joke about you know, losing Keith Lee losing in 2156 01:47:19.199 --> 01:47:23.520 his hometown and uh booking another champion to lose to 2157 01:47:24.079 --> 01:47:27.000 you know, somebody else that, yeah, I. 2158 01:47:26.920 --> 01:47:28.800 Don't think we had to explain that copy or I 2159 01:47:28.800 --> 01:47:29.800 don't want to give you your time. 2160 01:47:29.840 --> 01:47:33.399 But yeah, no, no, no, no I'm saying no, I'm saying 2161 01:47:34.039 --> 01:47:36.279 I was trying to come up with something earlier. But 2162 01:47:36.520 --> 01:47:38.880 you know, it was like there was just such a 2163 01:47:38.880 --> 01:47:46.000 good show, you know. But you know, so the one 2164 01:47:46.039 --> 01:47:48.079 thing that wasn't to that kind of felt a little 2165 01:47:48.119 --> 01:47:50.880 bit like clunky to me was the whole androde uh, 2166 01:47:51.239 --> 01:47:55.680 the androt stuff. Yeah, it seemed like you had more 2167 01:47:55.720 --> 01:47:57.920 to say, but then, you know, because it seemed like 2168 01:47:57.920 --> 01:47:59.439 he was going to say more in English, and then 2169 01:47:59.439 --> 01:48:02.520 that's when he's so over to Spanish. For the most part, 2170 01:48:02.800 --> 01:48:08.479 everything he said in Spanish was either rephrased or repeated 2171 01:48:08.560 --> 01:48:11.159 by somebody else with the with the one exception that 2172 01:48:11.199 --> 01:48:14.640 he did, Androda did say that when I look at 2173 01:48:14.680 --> 01:48:18.439 you two, referring to Penta and and Ray, he did 2174 01:48:18.520 --> 01:48:22.199 say I see two men that are drowning. One of 2175 01:48:22.239 --> 01:48:25.119 the questions that was asked that he asked is, uh, 2176 01:48:25.199 --> 01:48:28.399 you know, why are you working for pack And since uh, 2177 01:48:28.640 --> 01:48:32.960 Daniel formed, that's kind of been asking my question, what 2178 01:48:33.159 --> 01:48:36.560 is it that drives that puts these guys together? Did 2179 01:48:36.560 --> 01:48:40.039 they ever explain that because you know, pack is talking, 2180 01:48:40.239 --> 01:48:42.279 oh you know, he didn't work for me, their family, 2181 01:48:42.399 --> 01:48:45.920 But I've never ever felt that that that that had 2182 01:48:46.039 --> 01:48:46.880 been established. 2183 01:48:48.680 --> 01:48:50.720 I think that's a good point. I mean, I think 2184 01:48:51.520 --> 01:48:53.079 it's it's a little bit of a kapa. But when 2185 01:48:53.199 --> 01:48:56.720 when an act is together long enough and fight side 2186 01:48:56.720 --> 01:49:00.279 by side, eventually that that origin story is probably not 2187 01:49:01.079 --> 01:49:07.119 vital if there's just if it's just sort of you know, 2188 01:49:07.760 --> 01:49:11.199 baked in that they're a group, or it's you know, 2189 01:49:11.239 --> 01:49:13.279 burned into the screen, you know, it's burned into pock 2190 01:49:13.399 --> 01:49:16.279 And and Penton and Phoenix that there's an alliance there. 2191 01:49:16.279 --> 01:49:18.520 And I think if if you don't explain it early on, yeah, 2192 01:49:18.520 --> 01:49:20.960 I mean I criticize it, but eventually, if they're just 2193 01:49:20.960 --> 01:49:22.600 together a lot for a long time and they fight 2194 01:49:22.640 --> 01:49:25.560 side by side, it sort of just becomes Yeah, it 2195 01:49:25.640 --> 01:49:27.960 just burns into the screen as that's that. That's a thing, 2196 01:49:29.239 --> 01:49:32.560 even if it would have been better to establish why earlier. 2197 01:49:32.960 --> 01:49:37.239 Tyler, Yeah, I agree, it's it's a little bit of 2198 01:49:37.279 --> 01:49:39.960 a cop out, but it was not a big question 2199 01:49:40.039 --> 01:49:42.199 that I had personally, so it doesn't you know, I 2200 01:49:42.199 --> 01:49:45.119 didn't have the same reaction it kind of got the 2201 01:49:45.600 --> 01:49:48.680 then diesel and fast and furious treatment. You know, I 2202 01:49:48.840 --> 01:49:51.239 pack would have held up a corona and said their 2203 01:49:51.239 --> 01:49:54.439 family been all about it. It's basically all the only 2204 01:49:54.439 --> 01:49:58.720 experation we got. So and then on your point with 2205 01:49:58.720 --> 01:50:01.199 the Andro, I got the same feeling too that he 2206 01:50:01.279 --> 01:50:02.960 was going to speak more in English, but the crowd 2207 01:50:03.079 --> 01:50:06.520 kind of got loud, and he I think he pivoted 2208 01:50:06.560 --> 01:50:09.960 to Spanish to kind of regain control. So he didn't 2209 01:50:09.960 --> 01:50:12.359 get not that they were gonna do a what chant 2210 01:50:12.479 --> 01:50:14.319 or something like that, but I felt like he thought 2211 01:50:14.319 --> 01:50:16.239 he was gonna lost lose control, so he switched to 2212 01:50:16.239 --> 01:50:18.920 Spanish and he regained control. And you know, I think 2213 01:50:18.920 --> 01:50:22.000 this is a good litmus test for Andrade, you know, 2214 01:50:22.000 --> 01:50:25.520 in front of a live crowd speaking you know, on 2215 01:50:25.520 --> 01:50:27.920 the mic, which he hasn't done for you know, a 2216 01:50:27.920 --> 01:50:30.199 long time, my n x T days. I guess it would 2217 01:50:30.159 --> 01:50:31.479 be the last time he did that. And I thought 2218 01:50:31.479 --> 01:50:33.920 he Uh, I thought he passed that with flying colors, 2219 01:50:34.479 --> 01:50:38.239 and uh, I think he did a good job pivoting 2220 01:50:38.279 --> 01:50:40.479 and maintaining control. So I thought that was a good sign. 2221 01:50:40.960 --> 01:50:43.640 Haaber, We've got Brian or outside correspondent who just called 2222 01:50:43.680 --> 01:50:45.560 in and standing by, so anything you want to wrap 2223 01:50:45.640 --> 01:50:46.880 up with and then we'll jump over to him. 2224 01:50:47.680 --> 01:50:52.359 Uh, yeah, that's yeah, that's fine. Uh. I just had something, 2225 01:50:52.359 --> 01:50:54.039 but when you said that, it went out of my head. 2226 01:50:54.119 --> 01:50:58.840 So doesn't come back to hoaer Does it come back 2227 01:50:58.880 --> 01:51:02.880 to you if you say it in Spanish? Probably not? Okay? 2228 01:51:02.920 --> 01:51:07.399 All right, you can email mail banks you. 2229 01:51:07.439 --> 01:51:08.000 Have a look for. 2230 01:51:09.960 --> 01:51:11.600 All right, so I'll be able to look at for 2231 01:51:11.600 --> 01:51:15.000 the broadcast should be hopefully it'll be up tomorrow if 2232 01:51:15.039 --> 01:51:17.800 I get out of work early enough to editing. 2233 01:51:18.359 --> 01:51:20.600 I'm looking forward to it. No shortage of topics. Thanks 2234 01:51:20.600 --> 01:51:25.960 over here, I get it. Yep. You two iPhone users, 2235 01:51:25.960 --> 01:51:27.960 If you're listening to us on the Native podcast app 2236 01:51:28.000 --> 01:51:31.880 on your iPhone, you can unlock our commercial free versions 2237 01:51:31.920 --> 01:51:36.239 of our free shows by searching PW Torch in Apple Podcasts. 2238 01:51:36.239 --> 01:51:38.439 You'll see a charcoal grade logo that says PW Torch 2239 01:51:38.520 --> 01:51:40.760 VIP on it. 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I know it's it's been a 2255 01:52:32.479 --> 01:52:33.319 long and fun night for you. 2256 01:52:34.479 --> 01:52:35.880 Oh it's been amazing, sir. 2257 01:52:36.760 --> 01:52:39.439 So to talk about the crowd tonight? 2258 01:52:39.520 --> 01:52:40.600 Was it was every seat filled? 2259 01:52:41.479 --> 01:52:44.439 No, every seat was not filled, but it was far 2260 01:52:44.479 --> 01:52:45.640 more electric than Monday. 2261 01:52:46.079 --> 01:52:48.520 Yeah? Was there any And We're only going to keep 2262 01:52:48.520 --> 01:52:50.039 you for a couple of minutes because I know you've 2263 01:52:50.039 --> 01:52:52.039 got a lot going up, But was there anything that 2264 01:52:52.119 --> 01:52:55.680 jumped out as the okay? Okay? Was there anything that 2265 01:52:55.760 --> 01:52:59.800 jumped out as the biggest pop of the night or 2266 01:53:00.000 --> 01:53:01.560 did it? Was it just sort of a pick I'm 2267 01:53:01.560 --> 01:53:02.720 among like six or eight. 2268 01:53:04.119 --> 01:53:09.640 Definitely the finish for the whole night was absolutely amazing, 2269 01:53:11.239 --> 01:53:12.960 Like I could not be happier. 2270 01:53:12.560 --> 01:53:15.600 That I was a part of the main event with 2271 01:53:15.840 --> 01:53:17.079 Moxley and Archer. 2272 01:53:18.159 --> 01:53:19.920 Just the end, the whole end. 2273 01:53:20.359 --> 01:53:25.840 Yeah, yeah, what was there anything that didn't seem particularly 2274 01:53:26.199 --> 01:53:28.119 over at some point? Did they? Was there ever a 2275 01:53:28.159 --> 01:53:31.000 point where the crowd just sort of exhaled It was like, well, okay, 2276 01:53:31.000 --> 01:53:32.800 this is fine, We're not super into it, but we 2277 01:53:32.800 --> 01:53:33.640 can catch our breath. 2278 01:53:34.479 --> 01:53:38.000 Danni La Rose, Actually the half the crowd left? 2279 01:53:38.880 --> 01:53:40.920 Oh really the. 2280 01:53:40.399 --> 01:53:44.640 Villain is supposed to be d M d And really, yeah, 2281 01:53:44.640 --> 01:53:46.439 it wasn't half the crowd left. 2282 01:53:48.119 --> 01:53:51.760 Were they into Wheeler Utah like as a face or 2283 01:53:51.800 --> 01:53:55.520 a heel or cheering the action? And then it seemed 2284 01:53:55.520 --> 01:53:58.880 like they really got into the sting Orange Cassidy exchange. 2285 01:53:59.119 --> 01:54:01.680 They really did. There was a love of sheered just 2286 01:54:02.000 --> 01:54:05.920 on the general premise. As far as Orange Cassidy, there 2287 01:54:05.960 --> 01:54:08.279 was a lot of electricity that was actually a really 2288 01:54:08.279 --> 01:54:09.960 good match. It was actually one of the best of 2289 01:54:10.000 --> 01:54:12.920 the night. Yeah, as far as crowd reaction. 2290 01:54:14.000 --> 01:54:17.439 And we just talked about the Andradde segment, Brian and 2291 01:54:17.920 --> 01:54:20.199 the way the fans, not that they hijacked it, but 2292 01:54:20.239 --> 01:54:23.479 that they might have affected the cadence of what Androtti 2293 01:54:23.600 --> 01:54:26.720 was saying. How did that work? Like were because Javo 2294 01:54:26.800 --> 01:54:30.119 got cheered, Androida was acting like a heel and then 2295 01:54:30.439 --> 01:54:33.720 you had obviously Pawk and Penton and Phoenix as as 2296 01:54:33.760 --> 01:54:37.159 babyfaces there. How to talk about the EBB and the 2297 01:54:37.159 --> 01:54:40.199 flow of the crowd response to that roller coaster of Hey, 2298 01:54:40.279 --> 01:54:42.199 it's Javo and then all of a sudden it kind 2299 01:54:42.199 --> 01:54:44.479 of turns into a back and forth with kind of 2300 01:54:44.520 --> 01:54:45.640 a more heel face dynamic. 2301 01:54:46.600 --> 01:54:51.920 Well, you're in Texas, so the Androtti response was kind 2302 01:54:51.920 --> 01:54:56.000 of mediocre. You got Javo and that was a ridiculous response. 2303 01:54:56.039 --> 01:54:58.760 I think we all lost our minds. I didn't expect it. 2304 01:54:58.800 --> 01:55:03.119 I don't know if anybody did taking the I think 2305 01:55:03.159 --> 01:55:06.640 the big deal was at all three of the death Triangle, 2306 01:55:06.640 --> 01:55:09.800 what they are that was kind of a really exciting part. 2307 01:55:10.720 --> 01:55:15.840 The exchange was a little bit, but I think that 2308 01:55:16.000 --> 01:55:19.520 the fact that it was in Texas and you had, 2309 01:55:19.560 --> 01:55:21.760 like the Spanish there was a lot of Spanish speakers there. 2310 01:55:21.840 --> 01:55:25.239 Obviously as a result of being in Texas, you got 2311 01:55:25.239 --> 01:55:30.479 a big pop, more of us probably than we're expected understood, 2312 01:55:31.039 --> 01:55:33.239 so that it wasn't as much of a need now 2313 01:55:33.279 --> 01:55:35.840 probably on TV it probably was, but as much of 2314 01:55:35.840 --> 01:55:38.279 a need to hear live. It wasn't a big deal 2315 01:55:38.399 --> 01:55:40.159 like as far as explaining it, because we had an 2316 01:55:40.239 --> 01:55:44.680 all got the whole idea. But it was really exciting, 2317 01:55:44.760 --> 01:55:47.720 and I will actually say I kind of wish there 2318 01:55:47.800 --> 01:55:52.560 was a bit more interaction and kind of fizzled, that's 2319 01:55:52.560 --> 01:55:55.359 the best way to phrase it, because they kind of 2320 01:55:55.359 --> 01:55:56.920 attacked a ring and then there was just kind of 2321 01:55:56.920 --> 01:56:01.600 a no climax. And that's the best kind of way 2322 01:56:01.600 --> 01:56:04.399 that we were all hyped up, we were all fucking 2323 01:56:04.720 --> 01:56:06.960 excuse me, we were all full of energy, we were 2324 01:56:07.000 --> 01:56:09.479 all powered up, we were all ready to go, and 2325 01:56:09.640 --> 01:56:12.840 it was just kind of like that was kind of 2326 01:56:12.880 --> 01:56:15.399 the end of it. Yeah, yeah, but it kind of 2327 01:56:15.399 --> 01:56:16.760 felt like I missed opportunity. 2328 01:56:17.920 --> 01:56:18.159 Tyler. 2329 01:56:18.239 --> 01:56:19.399 Do you want to jump in with a question? 2330 01:56:20.079 --> 01:56:23.399 Yeah, you said you were present on Monday for RAW. 2331 01:56:23.640 --> 01:56:24.520 Did I hear that correct? 2332 01:56:25.640 --> 01:56:26.079 Yes, sir? 2333 01:56:26.399 --> 01:56:29.640 Okay, So I guess it's kind of a general question, 2334 01:56:29.760 --> 01:56:32.439 but you know, I guess the audience. You know, did 2335 01:56:32.439 --> 01:56:35.159 you feel the audiences were similar or is this more 2336 01:56:35.159 --> 01:56:37.279 of the eighteen to forty nine demographic? You know, were 2337 01:56:37.319 --> 01:56:40.079 the more families at the raw show? And if they were, 2338 01:56:40.319 --> 01:56:44.720 you know, the demographic that was there tonight, I don't know. 2339 01:56:44.800 --> 01:56:47.960 Do you think they were as excited about the product 2340 01:56:48.000 --> 01:56:49.560 on Monday as they were tonight? Or is it just 2341 01:56:49.680 --> 01:56:52.439 like light night and day difference on the excitement. 2342 01:56:52.640 --> 01:56:55.000 What Tyler's asking is you are you the only person 2343 01:56:55.000 --> 01:57:00.000 who went to both shows? 2344 01:57:02.079 --> 01:57:05.279 Well, okay, so my best answer to that question, there 2345 01:57:05.279 --> 01:57:08.239 were families. There were I was actually around quite a 2346 01:57:08.319 --> 01:57:13.079 few children and families, But I will tell you I 2347 01:57:13.119 --> 01:57:16.800 was at both shows, and there was a more impassioned 2348 01:57:17.479 --> 01:57:19.079 feeling tonight, if. 2349 01:57:18.920 --> 01:57:20.159 That makes any sense. 2350 01:57:22.520 --> 01:57:26.920 It kind of seemed like the best way to explain 2351 01:57:27.000 --> 01:57:29.800 this is that we were all trained to do what 2352 01:57:29.840 --> 01:57:32.079 we were supposed to do Monday. Tonight we all got 2353 01:57:32.079 --> 01:57:34.600 to experience what we were really reacting to. 2354 01:57:35.079 --> 01:57:35.560 Interesting. 2355 01:57:35.680 --> 01:57:38.960 Yeah, I mean it was just they they gave us 2356 01:57:39.000 --> 01:57:41.239 reasons to be excited, they gave us reasons to be 2357 01:57:41.359 --> 01:57:46.279 pumped up. They gave us questions, they gave us enthusiasm, 2358 01:57:46.319 --> 01:57:49.279 they gave us adrenaline. Monday was kind of like, Okay, 2359 01:57:49.359 --> 01:57:55.079 we know what's going on. There's John, there's Keith Lee, 2360 01:57:56.199 --> 01:57:58.640 we know the points that we're supposed to get excited. 2361 01:57:59.279 --> 01:58:03.479 Tonight was different. It was we all kind of just 2362 01:58:03.560 --> 01:58:06.000 reacted and there was a lot of reasons to be 2363 01:58:06.239 --> 01:58:11.520 like questions and pumped up and like I was fired up. 2364 01:58:11.560 --> 01:58:11.720 Man. 2365 01:58:11.760 --> 01:58:14.279 By the time the nine event hit, I was full 2366 01:58:14.399 --> 01:58:16.279 a general And that's why I'm losing my voice right now. 2367 01:58:17.920 --> 01:58:21.199 What was it like from a live fan experience, because 2368 01:58:21.319 --> 01:58:24.560 one of the negatives that we hear about wrong SmackDown 2369 01:58:24.600 --> 01:58:27.039 and this goes you know, pre pandemic, is you know, 2370 01:58:27.079 --> 01:58:29.319 the fans are there as props, but there's all this filler, 2371 01:58:29.359 --> 01:58:31.319 you know, the ring entrance and then four minutes of 2372 01:58:31.439 --> 01:58:33.840 just the music fading and a wrestler standing in the dark, 2373 01:58:33.960 --> 01:58:36.640 or they do some sort of content costume contest, or 2374 01:58:36.840 --> 01:58:38.800 it's just there's no flow. This feels like with the 2375 01:58:39.039 --> 01:58:43.000 with the split screen and the flow of the show 2376 01:58:43.079 --> 01:58:46.520 that it almost you might forget you're at a TV show. 2377 01:58:47.239 --> 01:58:48.560 But I don't want to put words in your mouth there. 2378 01:58:48.600 --> 01:58:51.359 You know, talk about the contrast Monday versus Today, and 2379 01:58:51.359 --> 01:58:53.479 that in that respect, that is. 2380 01:58:53.600 --> 01:58:57.239 One hundred was so accurate. Like we sat there and 2381 01:58:57.279 --> 01:58:59.800 watched I think it was shameless, and we watched lash 2382 01:58:59.840 --> 01:59:04.359 Lely in the rain Monday, solid five minutes, just dark, 2383 01:59:05.560 --> 01:59:07.800 like they were just bouncing around staring at the screen. 2384 01:59:08.119 --> 01:59:12.239 It was absolutely That's really actually a very accurate kind 2385 01:59:12.239 --> 01:59:15.039 of a description of what the difference of the experience is. 2386 01:59:15.159 --> 01:59:17.319 Like I had no idea when we were at commercial 2387 01:59:17.319 --> 01:59:20.520 and when we were not tonight, Like there was just 2388 01:59:20.840 --> 01:59:24.680 something going on all the time. Okay, I took that back. 2389 01:59:25.000 --> 01:59:26.920 Just Roberts was like joking with the crowd a little 2390 01:59:26.960 --> 01:59:30.640 bit here and there when it was an obvious commercial 2391 01:59:30.640 --> 01:59:36.119 break or they were prepping. But I mean, there's just 2392 01:59:36.119 --> 01:59:38.319 a there's an energy, And that's the best way I 2393 01:59:38.359 --> 01:59:41.479 can explain it. Like you know you're on TV. You 2394 01:59:41.520 --> 01:59:44.840 know there's a TV show on Monday, and I think 2395 01:59:44.840 --> 01:59:46.960 they did a good job Monday, but I think they 2396 01:59:46.960 --> 01:59:49.680 did a phenomenal job tonight. And that's the best way 2397 01:59:49.680 --> 01:59:52.960 I can probably divide it two. Like I was full 2398 01:59:52.960 --> 01:59:55.920 of energy. I'm full of I've been doing this like 2399 01:59:55.960 --> 01:59:58.760 I'm forty three. I've been doing this since I was seventeen. 2400 01:59:59.239 --> 02:00:02.840 Going to show and tonight I was I'm losing my 2401 02:00:02.920 --> 02:00:06.960 voice talking to you because I was. I was that enthusiastic. 2402 02:00:07.119 --> 02:00:10.239 It was just it was fun. It was a normal 2403 02:00:10.479 --> 02:00:12.960 wrestling show. It was there was a lot to get 2404 02:00:12.960 --> 02:00:17.520 excited about. They did a great job of pumping you up, 2405 02:00:17.920 --> 02:00:20.279 leaving it hanging when they needed to. 2406 02:00:21.000 --> 02:00:22.640 It's a weird It's weird. 2407 02:00:22.720 --> 02:00:27.079 Yeah, because I love both products. But I don't know, 2408 02:00:27.199 --> 02:00:29.600 man Like, if I had to pick one of the 2409 02:00:29.640 --> 02:00:33.359 course of the last three a's, there's definitely one that 2410 02:00:33.399 --> 02:00:34.439 I would put. 2411 02:00:34.319 --> 02:00:34.560 On some. 2412 02:00:36.880 --> 02:00:38.640 Admit it. You love Nick bar Batty when he co 2413 02:00:38.720 --> 02:00:40.760 hosts with me on the Wadekeller Post shows. Well, now 2414 02:00:40.760 --> 02:00:43.199 you can listen to him every week on The Nickys Club, 2415 02:00:43.239 --> 02:00:46.279 a v IP exclusive podcast. 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We're compatible with patreons, Spotify, Apple Podcasts, 2426 02:01:11.800 --> 02:01:14.239 and just about any other iOS or Android app out there. 2427 02:01:14.279 --> 02:01:17.000 You also stream directly from our ad free VIP website. 2428 02:01:17.039 --> 02:01:19.520 The Nikki's Club waiting for you every week at pw 2429 02:01:19.560 --> 02:01:20.439 torch v I. 2430 02:01:20.319 --> 02:01:20.399 P. 2431 02:01:26.239 --> 02:01:29.560 Tdler anything else you want to ask, Nothing that isn't 2432 02:01:29.600 --> 02:01:35.000 super leading on my end, So I think I'll pass now. 2433 02:01:35.279 --> 02:01:36.000 I'm curious. 2434 02:01:36.439 --> 02:01:38.359 Yeah, I was just like, I guess it's more of 2435 02:01:38.399 --> 02:01:40.479 a continuation from my previous question. And you know, I think 2436 02:01:40.479 --> 02:01:43.520 we've all been to w W shows, and you know, 2437 02:01:43.560 --> 02:01:45.800 now everyone's been to the aw show yet. But I guess 2438 02:01:45.800 --> 02:01:47.680 it's more of my continuation of like the families and 2439 02:01:47.680 --> 02:01:50.840 things like that. Is I can assume the answer here, 2440 02:01:50.840 --> 02:01:53.600 But you know, did it feel like the crowd in general, 2441 02:01:53.680 --> 02:01:55.479 not the people you're with, but the people you're around, 2442 02:01:55.520 --> 02:01:59.359 the chance and things like that, they were more engaged 2443 02:01:59.399 --> 02:02:02.199 than maybe AWE crowd. And that's the leading question. I know, 2444 02:02:02.359 --> 02:02:04.079 but you know, we've been there. It seems like a 2445 02:02:04.119 --> 02:02:06.479 lot of people who get tickets because they know it's 2446 02:02:06.520 --> 02:02:08.079 the w W and they don't really know the product. 2447 02:02:08.199 --> 02:02:11.119 And I guess, like in your opinion, was that a 2448 02:02:11.199 --> 02:02:14.000 huge difference in the knowledge of the product on when 2449 02:02:14.000 --> 02:02:15.760 you were there Monday and when you were there tonight 2450 02:02:16.279 --> 02:02:17.039 with the live crowd. 2451 02:02:18.239 --> 02:02:21.520 Well, I think I think she's my interruption. I think 2452 02:02:21.560 --> 02:02:23.680 the knowledge of the product, I think they kind. 2453 02:02:23.520 --> 02:02:24.319 Of see here yourself. 2454 02:02:24.840 --> 02:02:27.359 As far as families, there were families from me both times. 2455 02:02:28.439 --> 02:02:30.920 I was there with a friend, the same friend both times. 2456 02:02:31.560 --> 02:02:33.439 I had a phenomenal time both times, and me and 2457 02:02:33.520 --> 02:02:36.319 my buddy were joking up. And you know, I guess 2458 02:02:36.319 --> 02:02:37.840 after you've done this for a while, you kind of 2459 02:02:37.840 --> 02:02:41.119 partict certain endings. But I can tell you that we 2460 02:02:41.199 --> 02:02:44.159 knew where the finish was on on Monday, and we 2461 02:02:44.199 --> 02:02:46.520 did not. There were a lot of fall finishes. You 2462 02:02:46.720 --> 02:02:50.560 surprised us as fans tonight, and that's I think maybe 2463 02:02:50.560 --> 02:02:55.600 the difference as far as fans and the family aspect. Man, 2464 02:02:55.640 --> 02:02:57.880 there was a girl behind me standing on chairs standing 2465 02:02:57.920 --> 02:03:01.119 her daddy shoulders earlier tonight, and that was not happening 2466 02:03:01.159 --> 02:03:04.840 on Monday. And the rules were a little bit strangely 2467 02:03:05.159 --> 02:03:10.119 more strict tonight, Like you didn't even walk in with anything. 2468 02:03:10.159 --> 02:03:12.439 They didn't want you to have tonight that they did 2469 02:03:12.439 --> 02:03:15.800 a good job of making a good atmosphere. They did 2470 02:03:15.840 --> 02:03:22.800 not tolerate any kind of excess. But it was a 2471 02:03:22.800 --> 02:03:26.920 good family atmosphere in both ironically, probably a little more 2472 02:03:26.960 --> 02:03:31.760 strict than the WW. But I think the best answer 2473 02:03:31.800 --> 02:03:34.840 to the question is I think everybody was. Everybody that 2474 02:03:34.920 --> 02:03:39.039 presented attendance was as enthusiastic as you could ask them 2475 02:03:39.079 --> 02:03:39.239 to be. 2476 02:03:42.560 --> 02:03:44.720 Did Tony conn appear on camera at all tonight, bright 2477 02:03:45.720 --> 02:03:47.199 or I mean not on camera in front of the 2478 02:03:47.239 --> 02:03:50.520 fat ye I missaying that? Yep, So Tom, what do 2479 02:03:50.520 --> 02:03:53.279 you have to say? 2480 02:03:54.479 --> 02:03:57.359 He was really trump for the show. He actually pre showed. 2481 02:03:57.479 --> 02:03:59.760 He told yout Marshal to go back in the back. 2482 02:04:00.760 --> 02:04:05.039 QT was doing the insult the crowd thing and he's 2483 02:04:05.079 --> 02:04:08.600 super awkward. That guy looks like a skater punk and. 2484 02:04:09.840 --> 02:04:10.800 He's super awkward. 2485 02:04:11.279 --> 02:04:13.520 But he came out and he really got everybody pumped 2486 02:04:13.560 --> 02:04:16.439 up for the show. It was about maybe a minute 2487 02:04:16.439 --> 02:04:18.520 and a half before the actual dinament went on air, 2488 02:04:19.680 --> 02:04:22.880 but he got everybody excited. It was the entire crowd 2489 02:04:22.920 --> 02:04:26.720 was chanting Tony, so we all kind of gave him 2490 02:04:26.760 --> 02:04:30.000 some props just for giving us a product, But it 2491 02:04:30.079 --> 02:04:33.720 was exciting. I think it was a little unexpected that 2492 02:04:33.760 --> 02:04:35.600 he did come out. He was on the mic for 2493 02:04:35.800 --> 02:04:39.119 probably three minutes and talking about all the things they 2494 02:04:39.119 --> 02:04:42.880 have coming up, kind of hinted at some reveals that 2495 02:04:43.640 --> 02:04:47.399 maybe we don't know about, which I may or may 2496 02:04:47.439 --> 02:04:50.880 not have an idea what that is. But it was 2497 02:04:50.920 --> 02:04:57.000 really cool. It was he I actually never said, made 2498 02:04:57.039 --> 02:05:00.960 him show his face, and in my opinion, it was 2499 02:05:01.039 --> 02:05:02.720 kind of cooler to see him do it before the 2500 02:05:02.760 --> 02:05:05.159 camera went on than Vince doing it after. 2501 02:05:05.279 --> 02:05:12.079 Yeah, was there anything before or after dynam might that 2502 02:05:12.119 --> 02:05:15.199 you saw that just like noteworthy enough to pass on 2503 02:05:15.239 --> 02:05:17.239 to us here that stood out to. 2504 02:05:17.239 --> 02:05:21.479 You well being alive, I don't notice this got this 2505 02:05:21.880 --> 02:05:25.199 made air? But did and you, maybe a better versen 2506 02:05:25.319 --> 02:05:29.439 asked than me, did the presentation of the belt to 2507 02:05:30.039 --> 02:05:35.000 Lance from John Mox? Did that make air? 2508 02:05:36.119 --> 02:05:36.960 Tyler? Do you remember? 2509 02:05:38.399 --> 02:05:41.640 I don't. I don't think it did. That's yeah, yeah, 2510 02:05:41.720 --> 02:05:42.039 I mean that. 2511 02:05:42.399 --> 02:05:45.359 The only reason I hesitate is I was, you know, yeah, 2512 02:05:45.439 --> 02:05:47.199 talk about it because I was, you know, scrambling to 2513 02:05:47.319 --> 02:05:49.159 finish up my report and get set up for the podcast. 2514 02:05:49.199 --> 02:05:50.960 So I was trying to think if I if I, 2515 02:05:51.079 --> 02:05:52.800 you know, noticed it or not, So yeah, talk about it, 2516 02:05:52.800 --> 02:05:53.199 maybe don't. 2517 02:05:53.720 --> 02:05:57.640 Well he was outside the ring obviously, Arthur did his 2518 02:05:58.239 --> 02:06:02.960 celebration and then came in the ring and kind of 2519 02:06:02.960 --> 02:06:06.279 got in the rest face the belt or the title, 2520 02:06:06.399 --> 02:06:08.159 whatever you want to call it. We sit in the 2521 02:06:08.199 --> 02:06:10.479 corner and he went and grabbed it and presented it 2522 02:06:10.560 --> 02:06:11.880 to him. I actually have a photo of it on 2523 02:06:11.920 --> 02:06:14.920 my phone. But it was one of those moments where 2524 02:06:14.920 --> 02:06:16.960 it's like those of us that are like the hardcore 2525 02:06:17.039 --> 02:06:20.760 fans that really were waiting for this moment, like to 2526 02:06:20.800 --> 02:06:24.600 see this rematch. It was like it was a very 2527 02:06:24.640 --> 02:06:27.079 subtle thing. He just handed it to him, kind of 2528 02:06:27.119 --> 02:06:29.760 nodded and rolled out the ring. But it was a 2529 02:06:29.920 --> 02:06:31.640 it was a moment that those of us who really 2530 02:06:31.640 --> 02:06:34.680 appreciate the moment of about you know what, that's how. 2531 02:06:34.600 --> 02:06:35.079 You do that. 2532 02:06:36.039 --> 02:06:37.560 Yeah, I think MAXI was still stuck to. 2533 02:06:37.479 --> 02:06:38.199 The barbed wire. 2534 02:06:38.359 --> 02:06:39.479 Wasn't a fanfair thing. 2535 02:06:40.319 --> 02:06:41.960 Moxley was still stuck to the barbed wire when they 2536 02:06:41.960 --> 02:06:43.560 went off the air. I'm pretty sure. So we definitely 2537 02:06:43.600 --> 02:06:44.960 didn't see that now that you describe it. 2538 02:06:45.239 --> 02:06:49.920 Yeah, okay, so that was after after air. That was 2539 02:06:49.920 --> 02:06:51.920 a cool moment, Like I guess it was for us 2540 02:06:52.079 --> 02:06:54.960 or for our benefit, but he actually handed him the 2541 02:06:55.000 --> 02:06:57.800 belt kind of nodded and then rolled out the ring, 2542 02:06:57.840 --> 02:07:00.560 and you were like, man, that's that's the kind of 2543 02:07:00.560 --> 02:07:02.720 stuff that we as fans just kind of wait, like 2544 02:07:03.079 --> 02:07:04.760 you don't have to like each other, but respect. 2545 02:07:04.920 --> 02:07:05.439 That's cool. 2546 02:07:05.600 --> 02:07:08.079 And he rolled out and it was really a really 2547 02:07:08.079 --> 02:07:08.640 cool moment. 2548 02:07:09.239 --> 02:07:09.479 Nice. 2549 02:07:09.479 --> 02:07:11.000 It did have to be a big thing. It wasn't 2550 02:07:11.000 --> 02:07:13.039 like we're the best friends of the world, but it 2551 02:07:13.159 --> 02:07:16.800 was really cool. I actually kept a photo of that. 2552 02:07:17.000 --> 02:07:18.520 I don't think a lot of pictures it shows. 2553 02:07:18.760 --> 02:07:21.680 Yeah, cool, send it along if I'd like to see that. 2554 02:07:22.239 --> 02:07:24.640 Anything else you want to add, Brian from your experience tonight, 2555 02:07:25.000 --> 02:07:28.880 anything either on camera fan chance, or something that was 2556 02:07:28.920 --> 02:07:32.520 taped or happened off camera or for dark or whatever. 2557 02:07:32.640 --> 02:07:34.119 I mean, just an anything else you want to share 2558 02:07:34.119 --> 02:07:35.880 that stance out that you think listeners will like to 2559 02:07:35.880 --> 02:07:36.560 know about. 2560 02:07:38.800 --> 02:07:41.079 I think that sends it out to me is the 2561 02:07:41.119 --> 02:07:44.800 most that the passion of the fans. The difference tonight 2562 02:07:45.359 --> 02:07:48.720 and I think you got wrestling fans. I think Monday 2563 02:07:48.920 --> 02:07:53.840 you got people who got tickets or people whose kids 2564 02:07:54.199 --> 02:07:57.640 tucked them into buyolent tickets. I think tonight you got 2565 02:07:58.000 --> 02:08:03.319 wrestling and showed honestly. Yeah, I mean that's the best 2566 02:08:03.359 --> 02:08:04.800 possible way I can explain it to you. 2567 02:08:06.399 --> 02:08:09.640 Very good, Brian, thanks so much for taking time this 2568 02:08:09.680 --> 02:08:12.119 week on both Monday night and tonight talking about your 2569 02:08:12.159 --> 02:08:14.119 in person experience. It's it's great when you canna. 2570 02:08:14.239 --> 02:08:15.119 Thanks for having me man. 2571 02:08:15.319 --> 02:08:16.880 Yeah, I mean we can go to two shows like 2572 02:08:16.920 --> 02:08:20.000 this back to back and uh and talk about it 2573 02:08:20.319 --> 02:08:24.000 and contrast it. It's it's really interesting, so appreciate it. 2574 02:08:24.199 --> 02:08:24.800 Don't be a stranger. 2575 02:08:24.880 --> 02:08:25.079 Listen. 2576 02:08:25.079 --> 02:08:26.239 Know when you go to another show and then call 2577 02:08:26.319 --> 02:08:27.319 in anytime. 2578 02:08:29.199 --> 02:08:30.359 Well do sir? Thank you? 2579 02:08:30.359 --> 02:08:35.000 You bet Before pushing play on the way Keller Pro Wrestling. 2580 02:08:35.039 --> 02:08:37.359 Post shows, check out pw torch dot com and our 2581 02:08:37.399 --> 02:08:40.560 TV review section and skim through a full rundown of 2582 02:08:40.600 --> 02:08:42.319 the TV show if you didn't see it. That's your 2583 02:08:42.359 --> 02:08:44.840 way to get an overview of what happened before you 2584 02:08:44.880 --> 02:08:48.439 dive into our in depth analysis of the key happenings 2585 02:08:48.479 --> 02:08:49.039 on the show. 2586 02:08:49.239 --> 02:08:50.680 That's pw torch dot com. 2587 02:08:50.720 --> 02:08:54.079 You're home for live TV coverage every Monday, Wednesday and 2588 02:08:54.119 --> 02:08:56.199 Friday with my TV reports, and also check out our 2589 02:08:56.279 --> 02:08:59.119 NXT and Impact coverage on Tuesdays and Thursdays, our Collision 2590 02:08:59.119 --> 02:09:01.079 reports on Saturday nights, and of course our live pay 2591 02:09:01.079 --> 02:09:03.920 per view and PLEE coverage on weekends. All waiting for 2592 02:09:03.960 --> 02:09:12.960 you at PW torch dot com. All right, Tyler, we'll 2593 02:09:13.079 --> 02:09:16.079 wrap up here just with a couple of e mails 2594 02:09:16.159 --> 02:09:19.960 or a few meals that cover topics we didn't cover 2595 02:09:20.279 --> 02:09:23.239 in great depth or some points of view on it. 2596 02:09:24.880 --> 02:09:27.319 We're talked about Chavo. JB from Detroit said, I really 2597 02:09:27.319 --> 02:09:29.840 like the adjustment aw mad tonight Ivan Chavo being Androtte 2598 02:09:29.920 --> 02:09:32.119 surprise and having him as a representative rather than Vicki 2599 02:09:32.359 --> 02:09:32.960 just seems like a. 2600 02:09:32.880 --> 02:09:33.479 Better fit to me. 2601 02:09:33.880 --> 02:09:36.640 This is yet another example of AW understanding when something 2602 02:09:36.680 --> 02:09:39.760 isn't working and quickly pivoting from it, taking Offenser Man. 2603 02:09:40.199 --> 02:09:42.079 My only critique might be that Chavoll struck a bit 2604 02:09:42.079 --> 02:09:43.640 too much of a baby face tone in his promo 2605 02:09:43.640 --> 02:09:46.119 as Andretti's representative. But I'm really intrigued where they go 2606 02:09:46.119 --> 02:09:48.760 with this Andratti Chavo death wrangle feud to decide who 2607 02:09:48.800 --> 02:09:50.880 is the true face of Latin American wrestling, and I 2608 02:09:50.880 --> 02:09:53.439 think there are many interesting paths they could take. Which 2609 02:09:53.439 --> 02:09:55.840 is always a good thing. As a side note, I 2610 02:09:55.880 --> 02:09:59.159 wonder how long WW and AW can sustain these weekly surprises. 2611 02:09:59.199 --> 02:10:02.079 This week being NICKI has always loved the show and 2612 02:10:02.279 --> 02:10:06.720 go vi, I p Nick Gage and Chavo Guerrero. I 2613 02:10:06.720 --> 02:10:09.079 mean I expect to say those names are the same 2614 02:10:09.159 --> 02:10:12.920 sentence this week in regard to national television. 2615 02:10:13.960 --> 02:10:16.760 Yeah, that is uh and to say there, you know, 2616 02:10:16.880 --> 02:10:18.880 even a year ago, if that those guys would have 2617 02:10:18.920 --> 02:10:20.680 been big surprises, I think I would have been like, 2618 02:10:20.800 --> 02:10:22.159 I don't know if that's a big surprise either of 2619 02:10:22.199 --> 02:10:26.119 those guys. So, uh, how things have changed? Well, yeah, 2620 02:10:26.159 --> 02:10:28.800 it's pretty it's pretty a basic interesting. 2621 02:10:29.039 --> 02:10:30.560 Oh go ahead, I'm sorry, good good. 2622 02:10:30.800 --> 02:10:33.279 I mean, yeah, any part. We talked a little bit 2623 02:10:33.319 --> 02:10:35.239 about that, But I think the point I wanted to 2624 02:10:35.319 --> 02:10:37.880 talk about on that if you didn't have anything was 2625 02:10:38.960 --> 02:10:41.239 the constant surprises on both shows. And yeah, I mean 2626 02:10:41.279 --> 02:10:42.760 I think that's kind of what we talked about earlier 2627 02:10:42.840 --> 02:10:46.079 with the you know, grading each show week by week, 2628 02:10:46.159 --> 02:10:48.319 and you're gonna if you do a big surprise every week, 2629 02:10:48.439 --> 02:10:50.640 is gonna lose it's uh, you know, it's gonna you're 2630 02:10:50.640 --> 02:10:53.560 gonna have the mission returns and uh at some point 2631 02:10:53.600 --> 02:10:56.840 you're gonna you know, you're be uh, you know, chasing 2632 02:10:56.840 --> 02:10:59.079 that and it's not gonna be good. Yeah, so they 2633 02:10:59.119 --> 02:11:01.600 should be careful with that. And Bush shows do and 2634 02:11:01.640 --> 02:11:04.079 you can't build. You gotta build a product like Aw's 2635 02:11:04.079 --> 02:11:06.279 doing right now, as we've discussed all night, built on 2636 02:11:06.399 --> 02:11:07.960 stars that you see every week and that you like, 2637 02:11:08.079 --> 02:11:10.560 and not be relying on, you know, big stars to 2638 02:11:10.600 --> 02:11:13.359 come in and save the day. So you know, yeah, 2639 02:11:13.399 --> 02:11:15.520 that's my only point on that, all right. 2640 02:11:15.399 --> 02:11:16.239 Dodd James Clemson. 2641 02:11:16.319 --> 02:11:18.000 Interesting email here, he goes, I am proud to say 2642 02:11:18.039 --> 02:11:20.399 I'll be at Fight for the Fallen next week. Watching 2643 02:11:20.399 --> 02:11:22.960 this show tonight and hearing your on site correspondent has 2644 02:11:23.000 --> 02:11:25.560 me so hyped for it. I'd like to contrast my 2645 02:11:25.640 --> 02:11:31.640 excitement by telling you about my week. My wife was 2646 02:11:31.640 --> 02:11:33.119 out of town for the past week. So on Friday 2647 02:11:33.159 --> 02:11:35.920 I did something i'ven't done in years and gave SmackDown 2648 02:11:36.000 --> 02:11:39.279 a try. Edge was cool, but I was checked out 2649 02:11:39.880 --> 02:11:42.960 and I cut it off. By the women's match on Monday, 2650 02:11:42.960 --> 02:11:44.720 I was pumped up to see Johnson's reaction up money 2651 02:11:44.720 --> 02:11:46.039 in the bank of someone who grew up a huge 2652 02:11:46.079 --> 02:11:48.359 fan of John Cena. So on Monday, I did something 2653 02:11:48.359 --> 02:11:50.479 I haven't done in years and gave Raw a try. 2654 02:11:51.079 --> 02:11:54.000 Sina made me cringe and I was out before the 2655 02:11:54.079 --> 02:11:58.560 riddle match was over. My point is that there's I 2656 02:11:58.560 --> 02:12:00.720 don't know if people remember the Gong show, but he's 2657 02:12:00.760 --> 02:12:03.399 ringing the gong early on the on Ron's back down here. 2658 02:12:03.600 --> 02:12:05.239 My point is is that there's no way I'll be 2659 02:12:05.279 --> 02:12:07.319 giving w B a try and again again anytime soon. 2660 02:12:07.479 --> 02:12:09.000 On the other hand, I'll be driving two hours on 2661 02:12:09.000 --> 02:12:11.720 a Wednesday next week and I can't wait. AW is 2662 02:12:11.760 --> 02:12:14.640 doing everything right, and I agree with Todd Martin stots 2663 02:12:14.640 --> 02:12:17.439 the past few weeks. I really think ae W is 2664 02:12:17.479 --> 02:12:21.560 gonna win this thing. And by the way, I said 2665 02:12:21.560 --> 02:12:23.319 what Todd said the night before in the Post Show 2666 02:12:23.319 --> 02:12:27.239 in so many words, I'm Todd's a leader of many things, 2667 02:12:27.239 --> 02:12:29.359 but he copied me on that one. Unbeknownst to him. 2668 02:12:29.560 --> 02:12:32.319 It was actually just great months thinking alike. But a 2669 02:12:32.399 --> 02:12:33.880 couple of weeks ago on the Post Show, I just 2670 02:12:33.880 --> 02:12:36.359 said I think AW should be aiming for and I 2671 02:12:36.359 --> 02:12:39.359 think is on a path to surpass Raw in the ratings, 2672 02:12:40.159 --> 02:12:41.880 and the next day on The Fix, Todd said the 2673 02:12:41.920 --> 02:12:45.479 same thing, And so yeah, I think this I watched 2674 02:12:45.479 --> 02:12:47.000 this product. It was thank you for your time and 2675 02:12:47.039 --> 02:12:49.039 let me know if you need me next week. I'll 2676 02:12:49.079 --> 02:12:52.600 be in touch, James. So I do watch this product, 2677 02:12:52.760 --> 02:12:55.479 and I see their numbers last week which went up, 2678 02:12:56.680 --> 02:13:02.520 and the network partnership that they have, the decisions they're 2679 02:13:02.520 --> 02:13:05.000 making in terms of the talent they bring in, you know, 2680 02:13:05.920 --> 02:13:10.439 wild cards like Nick Gage, the sort of sense of 2681 02:13:10.520 --> 02:13:15.680 just having tentacles everywhere New Japan impact NWA. They feel 2682 02:13:15.680 --> 02:13:18.720 like they're actually part of the progressing community and that's 2683 02:13:18.760 --> 02:13:21.560 gonna create more fierce loyalty with the first million, then 2684 02:13:21.600 --> 02:13:24.479 grow to your second million. But I think they're doing enough. 2685 02:13:24.560 --> 02:13:27.359 Like the second million is about the Young Bucks wardrobe, 2686 02:13:27.560 --> 02:13:30.920 like getting so good in so high end and Kenny 2687 02:13:30.960 --> 02:13:33.000 looked like looking like he didn't wake up from a nap, 2688 02:13:33.079 --> 02:13:36.000 but he's got his hair done and he has sunglasses 2689 02:13:36.000 --> 02:13:38.039 that don't look like that he bought him as on 2690 02:13:38.079 --> 02:13:41.039 a whim at Walgreens while checking out, and you know 2691 02:13:41.399 --> 02:13:44.119 it just there. They're doing this. The other stuff to 2692 02:13:44.119 --> 02:13:47.239 had some polish, some pizazz, some prestige to the to 2693 02:13:47.560 --> 02:13:49.600 the presentation of the product. While that was five p's 2694 02:13:49.600 --> 02:13:54.720 Paul Hymnna be pro, So I do think, I mean, 2695 02:13:54.760 --> 02:13:57.479 after what we saw this week, and I mean I 2696 02:13:57.560 --> 02:13:59.520 like Raw was fun for me for my job, Like 2697 02:13:59.560 --> 02:14:01.479 I you know, it wasn't a boring show. There was 2698 02:14:01.520 --> 02:14:04.239 a lot that happened, and but I don't think it 2699 02:14:04.279 --> 02:14:06.680 was a product where you go, wow that Vincent Mann 2700 02:14:06.720 --> 02:14:08.520 was saving it up. But boy is he changed course 2701 02:14:08.520 --> 02:14:12.119 and corrected course. So AW just feels like a show 2702 02:14:12.159 --> 02:14:14.399 that is on the rise, kind of like Raw did 2703 02:14:14.399 --> 02:14:18.760 when it was about to Ober take Nitro. So anyway, yeah, Tyler, 2704 02:14:18.800 --> 02:14:19.640 your your thoughts. 2705 02:14:20.319 --> 02:14:22.399 Yeah, and if I can get a shameless plug for myself, 2706 02:14:22.520 --> 02:14:25.079 I think that same week was it three weeks ago 2707 02:14:25.159 --> 02:14:26.760 or so that Todd said that on The Fix and 2708 02:14:26.880 --> 02:14:29.279 had his whole argument I think on that on that 2709 02:14:30.039 --> 02:14:31.960 if you look at my report for that dynamite, I 2710 02:14:31.960 --> 02:14:33.920 think in my final thoughts for the show, I kind 2711 02:14:33.920 --> 02:14:36.000 of I don't think I said explicitly, but I think 2712 02:14:36.000 --> 02:14:38.439 it was pretty close to saying that. I don't know 2713 02:14:38.439 --> 02:14:41.399 how AW doesn't beat WWFU to keep this up. So 2714 02:14:41.560 --> 02:14:42.640 I think all great minds think. 2715 02:14:43.119 --> 02:14:45.479 So what you're saying is to say, you're saying Todd's 2716 02:14:45.520 --> 02:14:48.600 playdist and he didn't give you credit and he read 2717 02:14:48.640 --> 02:14:50.840 your report and what the next day, I mean that 2718 02:14:50.920 --> 02:14:52.840 is that what you're saying explicitly just started. 2719 02:14:53.039 --> 02:14:54.560 He had just started following me on Twitter. So I 2720 02:14:54.600 --> 02:14:56.439 don't know if that's the correlation or not that he 2721 02:14:56.600 --> 02:15:01.640 uh just just kidding god, But uh yeah, I'm with 2722 02:15:01.680 --> 02:15:04.359 you one hundred percent. And you know, I think how 2723 02:15:04.560 --> 02:15:07.439 fast things turn that. I think a lot of people 2724 02:15:07.439 --> 02:15:10.720 are coming to that realization. Obviously, you know, you're you're 2725 02:15:11.399 --> 02:15:13.039 an influencer in the space, and so are people on 2726 02:15:13.079 --> 02:15:16.840 the torch for for certain demographics, and you know, I 2727 02:15:16.840 --> 02:15:18.279 think all the fact that a lot of us are 2728 02:15:18.319 --> 02:15:22.039 coming to the same conclusion right now is definitely says something. 2729 02:15:22.159 --> 02:15:27.119 And the crowds are just like other discussions tonight, it's 2730 02:15:28.000 --> 02:15:31.319 you know, if aw keeps on this trajectory, in WWE 2731 02:15:31.479 --> 02:15:34.039 keeps on their trajectory, I mean, just look at WWE 2732 02:15:34.079 --> 02:15:38.039 after SummerSlam, like they're building two matches that you know, 2733 02:15:38.279 --> 02:15:40.359 Lash is going to beat Goldberg and Roman's going to 2734 02:15:40.399 --> 02:15:41.880 beat John Cena because he's going to go home a 2735 02:15:41.880 --> 02:15:44.079 movie and then like what do you have built up 2736 02:15:44.159 --> 02:15:47.279 until you get you know, to the Royal Rumble, Like 2737 02:15:47.279 --> 02:15:49.000 you just got a whole bunch of nothing planned, and 2738 02:15:49.319 --> 02:15:51.359 it's just not a hot product, and you know, that's 2739 02:15:51.359 --> 02:15:54.560 a small issue in comparison to things. But and then 2740 02:15:54.640 --> 02:15:56.439 when you look at someone, you know, if there's any 2741 02:15:56.479 --> 02:15:59.279 if there's a wrestling fan who's I don't know, seventeen 2742 02:15:59.319 --> 02:16:02.479 to thirty right now, I'd be just absolutely floored if 2743 02:16:02.600 --> 02:16:06.119 more than ten percent of them prefer WWE to AW 2744 02:16:06.439 --> 02:16:09.520 if they're watching both consistently, and that's you know, that's 2745 02:16:09.560 --> 02:16:11.840 the long game. And Tony Kahan and company have to 2746 02:16:11.920 --> 02:16:15.039 keep this consistency up. And you know, I think they 2747 02:16:15.079 --> 02:16:17.359 have a lot more advantages than WWW. You talked about 2748 02:16:17.359 --> 02:16:20.159 this a lot through through throughout all time. But you know, 2749 02:16:20.479 --> 02:16:23.199 he's not working for a you know, a network like 2750 02:16:23.840 --> 02:16:26.960 you know, WW is set up, and he is independently 2751 02:16:27.000 --> 02:16:29.800 wealthy or his father is at least, and he can 2752 02:16:29.880 --> 02:16:31.119 keep going for this as long as he has a 2753 02:16:31.119 --> 02:16:32.600 passion for it. And I don't think that's gonna stop 2754 02:16:32.600 --> 02:16:35.159 anytime soon. So I think it's a much different situation 2755 02:16:35.319 --> 02:16:38.840 than that's dealt with with Ted Turner and Bischoff back 2756 02:16:38.840 --> 02:16:41.000 in the day. So yeah, I just don't see how 2757 02:16:41.239 --> 02:16:43.360 if things stay the way they are exactly, I just 2758 02:16:43.360 --> 02:16:46.680 don't see any way, aw doesn't win win this thing, 2759 02:16:46.760 --> 02:16:49.719 and you know, winning is a different example that you 2760 02:16:49.719 --> 02:16:53.040 can have two shows that are you know, huge, you know, 2761 02:16:53.120 --> 02:16:56.200 media platforms, especially with the way the media rights are 2762 02:16:56.200 --> 02:16:58.399 going with sports and things like that. I don't necessarily 2763 02:16:58.440 --> 02:17:01.959 think the WWE is going to die or anything, but yeah, 2764 02:17:02.040 --> 02:17:04.719 it's the first time I felt like this in my lifetime. 2765 02:17:04.840 --> 02:17:06.360 So that is it's quite something. 2766 02:17:06.879 --> 02:17:09.920 Well, when ww went under and people said they'll you know, 2767 02:17:10.440 --> 02:17:14.280 they'll never be another competitor, you know, it was the end. 2768 02:17:14.319 --> 02:17:17.120 You know, that just won't happen. And I you, I 2769 02:17:17.159 --> 02:17:19.959 don't know what show and what date over the years, 2770 02:17:20.000 --> 02:17:23.559 but many, many times I said, someday, there's going to 2771 02:17:23.600 --> 02:17:27.120 be a really smart, passionate person who knows wrestling with money, 2772 02:17:27.399 --> 02:17:29.760 and there's going to be a network executive who remembers 2773 02:17:29.799 --> 02:17:31.319 the Monday Night Wore era and all the money that 2774 02:17:31.360 --> 02:17:33.280 was made and all the fun they had, and this 2775 02:17:33.319 --> 02:17:36.680 can happen, you know, And I mean I I it 2776 02:17:36.719 --> 02:17:37.600 wasn't inevitable. 2777 02:17:37.680 --> 02:17:39.799 It wasn't you know, just destiny. 2778 02:17:39.879 --> 02:17:44.520 But it's not shocking that somebody who loves wrestling who 2779 02:17:44.559 --> 02:17:47.079 also has money or knows someone who has money, you know, 2780 02:17:47.120 --> 02:17:50.799 whatever it is, would that that would coincide with a 2781 02:17:50.879 --> 02:17:54.520 network being hungry for for you know, live programming with 2782 02:17:54.559 --> 02:17:57.399 a proven track record. And it took you know, it 2783 02:17:57.440 --> 02:18:00.479 took twenty years, but it happened, you know, and you 2784 02:18:00.520 --> 02:18:03.799 know TNA struggled and to fill that space, and I 2785 02:18:03.879 --> 02:18:05.559 you know, talked to Jerry Jared on a regular basis 2786 02:18:05.559 --> 02:18:07.600 and the lead up to the NWAT and A being 2787 02:18:07.639 --> 02:18:11.040 launched and his heartbreak on the weekly paper re format 2788 02:18:11.159 --> 02:18:13.879 numbers when Jay Hossman was telling him things were doing 2789 02:18:14.000 --> 02:18:16.319 really well and they weren't and he spent money that 2790 02:18:16.399 --> 02:18:17.440 he didn't have as a result. 2791 02:18:17.760 --> 02:18:19.760 It was like a he wrote about this in book. 2792 02:18:19.799 --> 02:18:20.959 I mean, it's just it was. 2793 02:18:21.040 --> 02:18:24.559 It was it was a hand of mouth, you know, struggle. 2794 02:18:24.600 --> 02:18:27.079 Let's let's go paint the barn in Nashville. Like it 2795 02:18:27.120 --> 02:18:29.239 was a completely different level to startup than what Tony 2796 02:18:29.280 --> 02:18:32.440 Kahin's working with. So you know it. But but you 2797 02:18:32.479 --> 02:18:33.959 have to have the right idea. And so I want 2798 02:18:33.959 --> 02:18:35.840 to read this email because this this fits to what 2799 02:18:35.840 --> 02:18:38.360 we're saying. Jimmy and Stockton, California says it seems like 2800 02:18:38.399 --> 02:18:41.159 aw AS an organization is quick to adjust. Christian working 2801 02:18:41.200 --> 02:18:43.280 with Jungle Boy instead of immediately being inserted into the 2802 02:18:43.280 --> 02:18:46.719 title picture and Chavo Garrel replacing Vicky two recent examples. 2803 02:18:47.000 --> 02:18:50.360 But tons of individual wrestlers are improving their physiques, Powerhouse Hogs, 2804 02:18:50.399 --> 02:18:53.440 Evil who know pretty much the entire Inner Circle except Jericho, 2805 02:18:53.920 --> 02:18:57.120 their gear and their presence, and I think it really 2806 02:18:57.120 --> 02:18:59.879 helps aw feel more major league. I know it's not 2807 02:19:01.360 --> 02:19:04.680 super compelling podcasting, but I sent along a picture of 2808 02:19:04.719 --> 02:19:06.840 Hobbs tonight versus when he started on Dark. Have you 2809 02:19:06.920 --> 02:19:10.239 noticed this as well? And wait, if there is time? 2810 02:19:10.520 --> 02:19:12.600 What were you thinking with the promos from Death Triangle 2811 02:19:12.639 --> 02:19:15.959 and Andrade? Could you follow along? Do you think they do? 2812 02:19:16.000 --> 02:19:18.959 You think that they showed fire and charisma? Thanks Yan, 2813 02:19:19.079 --> 02:19:21.920 guys do and everyone go VIP wrestling is awesome now 2814 02:19:21.959 --> 02:19:25.159 and PW Torch does a dope job breaking it down. 2815 02:19:25.799 --> 02:19:26.440 Thanks Jimmy. 2816 02:19:26.719 --> 02:19:28.479 I might use that as a pull up quote vi 2817 02:19:28.559 --> 02:19:32.040 IP they do a dope job. Love it. Yeah, we 2818 02:19:32.040 --> 02:19:34.079 talked quite a bit about detri Anglanta Drod. I just 2819 02:19:34.120 --> 02:19:36.200 I didn't need to know what they're saying. I thought, 2820 02:19:37.000 --> 02:19:38.440 I'm not saying it was a perfect segment, but it 2821 02:19:39.680 --> 02:19:44.000 the perfect segment is like NXT here's a question, and 2822 02:19:44.079 --> 02:19:47.079 here's the scripted answer, and then there's an awkward pause 2823 02:19:47.120 --> 02:19:49.239 and the next question like and I like NXT, but 2824 02:19:49.520 --> 02:19:52.440 it is a WWE. You know, there's a level of 2825 02:19:52.520 --> 02:19:54.840 ww BE production. I like a little chaos, you know, 2826 02:19:55.079 --> 02:19:57.520 a little what's gonna happen next, and who's supposed to 2827 02:19:57.520 --> 02:19:59.639 talk and who's gonna step up? And there was a 2828 02:19:59.639 --> 02:20:01.639 little bit of all that, and it felt like there 2829 02:20:01.680 --> 02:20:03.840 was legit pride on the line and logical things being 2830 02:20:03.840 --> 02:20:07.920 said in response, and it felt, you know, impromptu. It 2831 02:20:07.959 --> 02:20:10.719 felt extemporaneous at times, and so that made it better. 2832 02:20:11.040 --> 02:20:13.239 I mean, yeah, the adjustments. You know, Christian and Vicky 2833 02:20:13.239 --> 02:20:17.680 are you know a Vicky and Chavo and and Christian 2834 02:20:17.719 --> 02:20:19.799 are are a couple of good examples there too. And yeah, 2835 02:20:19.799 --> 02:20:21.760 and then I talked about ring Geer, you know, and 2836 02:20:21.760 --> 02:20:25.280 and physiques too. You know, Kenny looks like he's in 2837 02:20:25.879 --> 02:20:28.600 better shape now, Tyler than six months ago. Just physically. 2838 02:20:28.639 --> 02:20:32.079 He looks like he's you know, cutting back on carbs 2839 02:20:32.159 --> 02:20:32.440 or whatever. 2840 02:20:32.520 --> 02:20:32.680 You know. 2841 02:20:32.680 --> 02:20:34.360 I don't know, it's a cliche, but whatever. He was 2842 02:20:34.760 --> 02:20:37.159 eating too much of and not training enough during the pandemic. 2843 02:20:37.159 --> 02:20:40.680 It's like he looks like he's an elite athlete again 2844 02:20:40.719 --> 02:20:42.920 instead of a guy living off his laurels. So a 2845 02:20:42.920 --> 02:20:44.559 lot of things are coming together and it all adds 2846 02:20:44.639 --> 02:20:45.799 up and it all matters. 2847 02:20:46.639 --> 02:20:49.319 Yeah, I agree on all friends YEP. 2848 02:20:53.079 --> 02:20:56.079 Searching for more great pro wrestling talk, then join me 2849 02:20:56.200 --> 02:20:59.760 Jason Powell host him the three weekly Pro Wrestling Boom Podcast. 2850 02:21:00.200 --> 02:21:02.360 Each week he'll hear the latest news and analysis for 2851 02:21:02.479 --> 02:21:04.559 me and my team at pro wrestling dot Net along 2852 02:21:04.600 --> 02:21:07.520 with other pro wrestling media members. Plus, the Pro Wrestling 2853 02:21:07.559 --> 02:21:10.920 Boom Podcast features long form interviews with notable names in 2854 02:21:10.920 --> 02:21:14.639 the pro wrestling industry. Subscribe and iTunes, Stitcher, Downcast, and 2855 02:21:14.680 --> 02:21:17.840 all your favorite secondary apps, or visit us directly at 2856 02:21:17.840 --> 02:21:29.360 PW boom dot com. Once again, that's PW boom dot com. 2857 02:21:29.639 --> 02:21:35.639 Very good? All right? Uh, Craig no City here says, 2858 02:21:35.639 --> 02:21:37.000 I don't think it's a very good sign that a 2859 02:21:37.040 --> 02:21:39.639 secondary title from another promotion headlined over Brick Baker's first 2860 02:21:39.680 --> 02:21:42.399 title defense. I got that it was a Kadok Texas deathmatch, 2861 02:21:42.440 --> 02:21:44.040 but why not have these matches on different weeks so 2862 02:21:44.040 --> 02:21:46.600 that Brick can get the headline spot in aw really 2863 02:21:46.600 --> 02:21:48.559 needs to get more of its women's Division on Dynamite. 2864 02:21:48.600 --> 02:21:50.760 She is yet to appear on Dynamite since losing the title. 2865 02:21:50.959 --> 02:21:53.360 Taekonti was last featured on April twenty first, right velvet 2866 02:21:53.399 --> 02:21:55.200 on June fourth. No good reason I can think of 2867 02:21:55.239 --> 02:21:57.079 as to while this talent continues to be relegated to 2868 02:21:57.079 --> 02:21:59.360 YouTube shows. Tony Khn really needs to figure out how 2869 02:21:59.399 --> 02:22:01.959 to balance women's appearances and matches on Dynamite as opposed 2870 02:22:02.000 --> 02:22:05.319 to men, so more female talent is featured. I think 2871 02:22:05.319 --> 02:22:07.840 if he had a better roster, he would be more 2872 02:22:07.840 --> 02:22:11.440 comfortable of women. I think he'd feel it's a bit 2873 02:22:11.479 --> 02:22:13.719 of a self fulfilling prophecy. It's it's part of it's 2874 02:22:13.760 --> 02:22:15.559 his fault for who he hired and then the character 2875 02:22:15.600 --> 02:22:17.639 development of the women. It doesn't seem to be an 2876 02:22:17.639 --> 02:22:19.959 area that he's as excited about. It doesn't seem to 2877 02:22:19.959 --> 02:22:25.680 be as you know, plug and plays as some of 2878 02:22:25.719 --> 02:22:27.799 the male talent that he's acquired. So I think it's 2879 02:22:27.840 --> 02:22:31.399 a lot of factors, but this is not equal time 2880 02:22:31.639 --> 02:22:34.280 for each gender, you know, and Britt Baker, now the 2881 02:22:34.360 --> 02:22:38.799 Rose is not John Moxley. It's you know, like Texas 2882 02:22:38.799 --> 02:22:40.520 Death match versus a regular match. I mean, there's all 2883 02:22:40.559 --> 02:22:43.000 kinds of reasons that match headlined. And I mean I 2884 02:22:43.079 --> 02:22:46.600 try to be sort of gender blind in the micro 2885 02:22:46.760 --> 02:22:49.559 sense on a show and say what match belonged on 2886 02:22:49.680 --> 02:22:53.520 last and regardless of gender. Yes, it's a new japan 2887 02:22:53.559 --> 02:22:56.959 secondary title compared to your women's title. I get that argument. 2888 02:22:57.000 --> 02:22:59.639 But Moxley's a bigger star than anyone else we're talking about, 2889 02:23:00.479 --> 02:23:03.520 and neither Rose In Britt Baker could have could have 2890 02:23:03.520 --> 02:23:07.920 headlined to Dynamite. But I don't know, I don't know 2891 02:23:07.920 --> 02:23:09.719 that anything can follow what they had planned with with 2892 02:23:09.879 --> 02:23:14.079 mox and Archers. So I mean it's I'm open, I'm 2893 02:23:14.120 --> 02:23:16.959 open a conversation on this, but I just I think 2894 02:23:17.040 --> 02:23:22.920 until the women's division and the development of the characters improves, 2895 02:23:22.719 --> 02:23:26.639 it's not a charity, it's not a social cause. It's 2896 02:23:26.680 --> 02:23:29.440 it's about ratings and profit and getting a big TV deal. 2897 02:23:29.959 --> 02:23:32.360 And you know, so I think you can be critical 2898 02:23:32.399 --> 02:23:34.639 of the groundwork Tony does to make the women important, 2899 02:23:34.639 --> 02:23:36.520 but if he doesn't have the depth and importance to 2900 02:23:36.600 --> 02:23:39.479 a women's match, you don't just out of charity or 2901 02:23:39.559 --> 02:23:42.879 social you know, some social cause put them on after 2902 02:23:42.920 --> 02:23:46.799 a match that has more marketability. So that's my take. Yours, Tyler. 2903 02:23:47.760 --> 02:23:49.799 Yeah, I'm pretty aligned with you. I think if you 2904 02:23:49.840 --> 02:23:52.319 look back, you know, at least these last you know, 2905 02:23:52.399 --> 02:23:55.520 this week and last week, I don't definitely don't think 2906 02:23:55.520 --> 02:23:57.639 that the Baker Rose match was better than you know, 2907 02:23:57.680 --> 02:23:59.760 the Darby Ethan Page match or the you know, the 2908 02:23:59.799 --> 02:24:02.040 main event that we saw tonight, and you can probably 2909 02:24:02.040 --> 02:24:03.959 go back many weeks and you know, I was probably 2910 02:24:03.959 --> 02:24:06.440 a little lower on that match than than than most 2911 02:24:06.479 --> 02:24:08.680 of our callers. I thought the last you know, five 2912 02:24:08.680 --> 02:24:10.639 minutes were pretty good, but I thought I thought the 2913 02:24:10.639 --> 02:24:13.159 crowd almost turned on it there in the middle when 2914 02:24:13.159 --> 02:24:16.600 it was kind of a slower paced match. So, you know, 2915 02:24:16.600 --> 02:24:19.920 I think putting it in the main event spot uh. 2916 02:24:20.000 --> 02:24:22.319 You know, I just don't think the history that those 2917 02:24:22.319 --> 02:24:25.399 two have had together, you know, bell to bell is 2918 02:24:25.840 --> 02:24:28.079 very compelling for a main event, and I think Tony 2919 02:24:28.120 --> 02:24:31.840 Khan understands that and that if it's the right opportunity, 2920 02:24:31.840 --> 02:24:36.319 I think he has no problem headlining with women. But yeah, 2921 02:24:36.799 --> 02:24:39.639 the real thing you can point Tony khn is is 2922 02:24:40.159 --> 02:24:43.799 nine he's a point uh you know, uses his wallet 2923 02:24:43.840 --> 02:24:47.200 and get some talent with within a w to bolster 2924 02:24:47.200 --> 02:24:50.360 the women's division. I think that's the the critique you 2925 02:24:50.360 --> 02:24:53.399 can use against him right now, because yeah, I'm with you. 2926 02:24:53.399 --> 02:24:55.959 I don't think you need to put women in spots 2927 02:24:55.959 --> 02:24:57.719 that is gonna that are you know, it's gonna make 2928 02:24:57.760 --> 02:25:00.360 them look bad and forever tarnish their brain and when 2929 02:25:00.360 --> 02:25:05.159 they can get better on less viewed, more hardcore fans 2930 02:25:05.159 --> 02:25:07.000 that are going to be more forgiving than if you 2931 02:25:07.040 --> 02:25:09.639 put them on, you know, three matches on every week 2932 02:25:09.760 --> 02:25:12.159 and then you just lower your whole division because they're 2933 02:25:12.159 --> 02:25:14.840 not worthy of TV, and then people tune off because 2934 02:25:15.360 --> 02:25:18.120 it turns into a you know, Monday night rawl like 2935 02:25:18.159 --> 02:25:20.120 thing where you know, okay, well there's three women matches 2936 02:25:20.360 --> 02:25:22.719 and maybe they're not the best entering work at this 2937 02:25:22.799 --> 02:25:25.440 point because the talent's not there or not developed enough. 2938 02:25:25.479 --> 02:25:30.159 And yeah, I'm with you. I mean, if if it 2939 02:25:30.239 --> 02:25:33.280 was there, and if they were compelling matches bell to bell, 2940 02:25:33.319 --> 02:25:36.559 I think they would get as much time. Tony seems 2941 02:25:36.559 --> 02:25:39.200 like a guy who puts the best matches he thinks 2942 02:25:39.200 --> 02:25:41.280 he can put on, no matter what. And I just 2943 02:25:41.280 --> 02:25:44.360 think the division needs bolstered from a talent standpoint, and 2944 02:25:44.360 --> 02:25:46.239 there's a number standpoint too. I mean, if you just 2945 02:25:46.280 --> 02:25:48.639 look at the men versus the women who are signed. 2946 02:25:49.440 --> 02:25:50.840 You know this is bound to be the case, and 2947 02:25:50.879 --> 02:25:53.840 I think that's the critique you can make, and hopefully 2948 02:25:53.879 --> 02:25:55.920 it was rampage. Maybe there's more of a commitment to 2949 02:25:56.399 --> 02:25:58.600 have more women's matches on, you know, you'd have at 2950 02:25:58.680 --> 02:26:01.520 least two every week and see where we go. But 2951 02:26:01.680 --> 02:26:04.760 I think hiring more women, training more women is the critique, 2952 02:26:04.799 --> 02:26:06.799 not the amount of time on TV. At the moment 2953 02:26:06.959 --> 02:26:09.920 for me personally Zach. 2954 02:26:09.760 --> 02:26:11.520 And Texas around out here, my brain is still trying 2955 02:26:11.559 --> 02:26:13.879 to process everything. I saw Nick Gage, Schevido and the 2956 02:26:13.920 --> 02:26:16.040 Teas of under Ida having to find partners to fight 2957 02:26:16.559 --> 02:26:19.360 Death Triangle, Mox and Archer actively trying to murder each 2958 02:26:19.360 --> 02:26:21.399 other in the main event, and then Hawk, Who's huge son, 2959 02:26:21.479 --> 02:26:24.479 stepping up to Archer. It's just such a different world. 2960 02:26:24.520 --> 02:26:26.920 For Monday Night, Darby and Orange Cassidy were selling their 2961 02:26:26.920 --> 02:26:29.440 butts off, Britt going for the Eddie spot on the 2962 02:26:29.440 --> 02:26:32.280 title match, and Vicky saying the hell y'ar was fantastic 2963 02:26:32.559 --> 02:26:34.000 by the way. I love that now the Rose got 2964 02:26:34.040 --> 02:26:36.360 it wrong. You don't beg off when you throw the 2965 02:26:36.360 --> 02:26:38.360 belt to the person you ag knocked out. I love 2966 02:26:38.440 --> 02:26:42.239 that she blew the whole thing. The whole show was great. 2967 02:26:42.280 --> 02:26:44.159 I'm just sad I couldn't make it to see it 2968 02:26:44.159 --> 02:26:49.120 happened in person. Zach in Texas? What's your excuse, Sack? So, 2969 02:26:49.159 --> 02:26:50.680 I don't know if I don't if you have anything 2970 02:26:50.680 --> 02:26:53.840 to say on that, but there was a lot to 2971 02:26:53.879 --> 02:26:54.719 digest on the show. 2972 02:26:55.280 --> 02:26:57.719 Yeah, I would say to defend Zach, Texas is a 2973 02:26:57.719 --> 02:26:59.559 big state. We don't know where in Texas he's from, 2974 02:26:59.719 --> 02:27:02.520 so uh for the travel why he couldn't make it, 2975 02:27:03.000 --> 02:27:06.040 I'll defenseac there for you. But yeah, you know, I 2976 02:27:06.079 --> 02:27:08.559 think we talked about everything on there. I think the 2977 02:27:08.600 --> 02:27:10.799 only thing that not get brought up at all was 2978 02:27:12.280 --> 02:27:15.159 because the Kazarian gallows match, which I think had no 2979 02:27:15.200 --> 02:27:18.280 reason to be brought up by anybody. So I just 2980 02:27:18.319 --> 02:27:19.799 want to make sure we talked about that just for 2981 02:27:19.799 --> 02:27:22.520 a second before we ended here. But you know, I 2982 02:27:22.559 --> 02:27:24.639 thought I thought that was also kind of a pivot 2983 02:27:25.239 --> 02:27:27.319 for for Tony Kane w I don't think that character 2984 02:27:27.399 --> 02:27:29.200 has been working very well. It's been kind of random, 2985 02:27:29.600 --> 02:27:31.959 and to see him just kind of get beat up, 2986 02:27:32.000 --> 02:27:34.639 and you know, he wasn't part of that dark Order 2987 02:27:34.639 --> 02:27:35.879 scermmerce at the end there. I don't know if that 2988 02:27:35.920 --> 02:27:38.319 signaled anything to you that they're piving away from that 2989 02:27:38.440 --> 02:27:41.079 character for Kazarian. But you know, I don't think it 2990 02:27:41.120 --> 02:27:43.799 worked for me personally. But another example of a pivot 2991 02:27:43.840 --> 02:27:48.319 a smaller, you know, lower card guy switching. But yeah, 2992 02:27:48.360 --> 02:27:51.040 I mean I think what Zach is saying is just 2993 02:27:51.120 --> 02:27:54.719 kind of a chorus throughout the evening of it's this 2994 02:27:54.799 --> 02:27:56.879 is this is why the show is so much more 2995 02:27:56.879 --> 02:27:59.879 different than what WW is producing. And I think that 2996 02:28:00.000 --> 02:28:03.440 it's kind of the highlight of this week of uh, 2997 02:28:03.680 --> 02:28:06.479 you know, a dynamite versus raw and what have you. 2998 02:28:07.280 --> 02:28:10.280 It just you can feel the difference, and it helps 2999 02:28:10.360 --> 02:28:12.319 to to do what should like this because I feel 3000 02:28:12.360 --> 02:28:14.600 like I'm not a crazy person having those opinions, because 3001 02:28:14.600 --> 02:28:16.319 it seems like it seems like a lot of people 3002 02:28:16.360 --> 02:28:19.399 at least in our ecosystem here I feel the same way. 3003 02:28:19.440 --> 02:28:20.520 So that is reassured. 3004 02:28:21.079 --> 02:28:24.520 And you know, another pivot is Kazarian not getting mic 3005 02:28:24.639 --> 02:28:26.920 time right now. You know, I thought I thought he 3006 02:28:27.040 --> 02:28:29.639 was just like it was just over the top. It 3007 02:28:29.680 --> 02:28:33.639 was you know, self important and too intense and like 3008 02:28:34.559 --> 02:28:36.520 like you just it. Yeah, it was just it just 3009 02:28:36.600 --> 02:28:38.799 didn't the tone was wrong. I don't think the instincts 3010 02:28:38.799 --> 02:28:42.399 were there, the delivery was heavy handed, and and it 3011 02:28:42.520 --> 02:28:44.639 just wasn't It didn't fit, like I like him being 3012 02:28:44.680 --> 02:28:48.440 more the the the uh not the sharpshooter. 3013 02:28:48.559 --> 02:28:49.120 What what is it? 3014 02:28:49.159 --> 02:28:52.799 He just kind of running in and it hit people 3015 02:28:52.840 --> 02:28:55.239 and then running away like whatever's term I'm thinking of? 3016 02:28:55.319 --> 02:28:58.319 I can't think of, but it's just yeah, just kind 3017 02:28:58.319 --> 02:29:01.360 of sniping people on the sidelines, I guess, and and 3018 02:29:01.680 --> 02:29:04.319 that's fine. But again there was a backstory there, but 3019 02:29:04.479 --> 02:29:07.360 the right thing happened in the match. You know, I 3020 02:29:07.360 --> 02:29:10.799 don't think kaz Kaz is good to have on your roster, 3021 02:29:10.920 --> 02:29:14.280 but you don't build them up to more than you 3022 02:29:14.280 --> 02:29:16.079 know what he's doing now or what he's been doing. 3023 02:29:16.120 --> 02:29:16.239 You know. 3024 02:29:16.239 --> 02:29:19.280 I think in TNA, with a more limited roster, he 3025 02:29:19.360 --> 02:29:21.079 got more of a push, but he was never a 3026 02:29:21.120 --> 02:29:24.440 top guy even there for a reason. So he's a 3027 02:29:24.440 --> 02:29:26.879 good utility veteran. And the crowd you know, reacted to 3028 02:29:26.920 --> 02:29:29.120 him was a hot crowd. But I think Tony, you know, 3029 02:29:29.120 --> 02:29:31.239 shows he's got pretty good instinct for how far to 3030 02:29:31.239 --> 02:29:33.520 push someone, even even if they aspire for more. Sometimes 3031 02:29:33.559 --> 02:29:36.680 you know, they just the the charisma, the promo skill, 3032 02:29:37.520 --> 02:29:39.680 you know, whatever there's there's a certain spot that you 3033 02:29:39.799 --> 02:29:42.280 fit and you know they're trying to cast do something 3034 02:29:42.319 --> 02:29:45.959 different than you know, s ceu and and that's fine, 3035 02:29:46.840 --> 02:29:49.799 but you don't look at Tony making decisions going my god, 3036 02:29:49.840 --> 02:29:52.360 he's not correcting course and this isn't this isn't working 3037 02:29:52.920 --> 02:29:53.440 very often. 3038 02:29:53.520 --> 02:29:55.680 You know, you see more course correcting and that's. 3039 02:29:55.559 --> 02:29:58.239 A really good thing. Yeah, I mean, just to just 3040 02:29:58.319 --> 02:30:00.920 finish that off, as you know, that's not an important 3041 02:30:00.959 --> 02:30:03.319 story on the on the show, but that's even getting 3042 02:30:03.440 --> 02:30:08.639 the same sort of delicate touch of you know, pivoting 3043 02:30:08.719 --> 02:30:11.239 when things aren't working from top to bottom on the card. 3044 02:30:11.280 --> 02:30:13.280 And I think it just shows a holistic approach to 3045 02:30:13.319 --> 02:30:15.360 the to the booking all around, which is you know, 3046 02:30:15.680 --> 02:30:17.079 a positive sign for sure. 3047 02:30:17.159 --> 02:30:18.000 So go ahead, you. 3048 02:30:18.159 --> 02:30:21.319 Say, you know that last segment you're just listening to 3049 02:30:21.520 --> 02:30:23.360 and the next one that you're waiting to listen to, 3050 02:30:23.520 --> 02:30:26.200 those can be one second apart. 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Unlock our vip x Loos, 3062 02:31:00.239 --> 02:31:02.159 a podcast run throughout the week every week. 3063 02:31:08.159 --> 02:31:08.399 Happy. 3064 02:31:08.440 --> 02:31:09.760 I remember what he was going to say, so close 3065 02:31:09.840 --> 02:31:11.000 with that he said, I was going to ask for 3066 02:31:11.120 --> 02:31:13.639 you think things are going with Androtti and Death Triangle. 3067 02:31:13.920 --> 02:31:15.840 If destri Angle stays together, it is ANDREDI going to 3068 02:31:15.840 --> 02:31:19.360 get two guys, maybe form and new in Goobert Noble's faction. 3069 02:31:19.559 --> 02:31:22.799 If Androtti, if Androtti's entreaty ends up working with pent 3070 02:31:22.879 --> 02:31:25.600 In Phoenix and takes over Death Triangle instead, does Pop 3071 02:31:25.680 --> 02:31:28.200 find two guys or do Penten Phoenix split up? It's 3072 02:31:28.239 --> 02:31:32.040 like eight questions and two sentences, Tyler, what scenario do 3073 02:31:32.040 --> 02:31:33.040 you think they're headed towards? 3074 02:31:34.200 --> 02:31:36.479 Yeah, I mean, I think the ideal scenario is for 3075 02:31:37.719 --> 02:31:42.879 you know, whatever Loss and gobernables guys that are available, 3076 02:31:42.959 --> 02:31:46.319 and there's lots all across the world in New Japan 3077 02:31:46.479 --> 02:31:48.799 and Ring of Honor, even with that might have some 3078 02:31:48.840 --> 02:31:51.520 expiring contracts at the end of the year. Here, I 3079 02:31:51.559 --> 02:31:55.760 think Androde getting some of his his Tranquilo friends, if 3080 02:31:55.799 --> 02:31:59.719 you will, makes more sense than him stealing away Ray 3081 02:31:59.760 --> 02:32:03.360 and pen to from from Pak. So, you know, I 3082 02:32:03.600 --> 02:32:05.799 see death triangles sticking together here. I don't see anyone 3083 02:32:05.799 --> 02:32:09.959 turning on them, and you know, I would anyone that 3084 02:32:10.079 --> 02:32:11.479 joins and Dry at this point I think would be 3085 02:32:11.520 --> 02:32:15.600 an addition, not someone that's already on the roster. You know, 3086 02:32:15.639 --> 02:32:18.159 I could be wrong about that, but I still think 3087 02:32:18.200 --> 02:32:19.840 I can't think of anyone in the roster right now 3088 02:32:19.920 --> 02:32:23.040 that's in a you know, a prominent role that I 3089 02:32:23.120 --> 02:32:26.399 think fits with him to be, you know, a hinchman 3090 02:32:26.520 --> 02:32:29.840 for him essentially, So I think something outside would fit 3091 02:32:29.879 --> 02:32:33.760 for him. But beyond that, I see, I don't know. 3092 02:32:33.879 --> 02:32:37.440 I mean, I like that with this that I thought 3093 02:32:37.520 --> 02:32:40.079 that he was not calling them out last week. I 3094 02:32:40.079 --> 02:32:41.399 thought it was more of like, hey, I would like 3095 02:32:41.440 --> 02:32:43.799 talk to you and join forces maybe, but it was definitely. 3096 02:32:43.520 --> 02:32:44.000 A call out. 3097 02:32:44.040 --> 02:32:45.879 So I don't know. I don't have a super good 3098 02:32:45.879 --> 02:32:47.239 read on that, but I like that I don't like 3099 02:32:47.399 --> 02:32:50.399 I like that I don't can't exactly pinpoint what's going 3100 02:32:50.479 --> 02:32:52.559 to happen weekend and week out. I think that's a 3101 02:32:52.600 --> 02:32:55.559 strength of mid card feud like this. 3102 02:32:56.559 --> 02:32:58.559 Tyler tell people I can follow you on social media 3103 02:32:58.639 --> 02:33:00.680 and a little bit about your cast that they can 3104 02:33:00.719 --> 02:33:01.959 listen to now for free. 3105 02:33:02.719 --> 02:33:06.079 Yeah, so you can follow me on Twitter and Instagram 3106 02:33:06.079 --> 02:33:11.280 at Ring of Tyler and every Thursday on the Daily 3107 02:33:11.319 --> 02:33:13.639 cast feed you can listen to myself and my co 3108 02:33:13.719 --> 02:33:17.559 host Ryan Sulivan on the Podcast of Honor where you 3109 02:33:17.639 --> 02:33:22.360 Guessed It talk about Ring of Honor and we you know, 3110 02:33:22.440 --> 02:33:26.319 break down the weekly television and if there's big shows 3111 02:33:26.319 --> 02:33:28.479 coming up. So now they're more on a more regular basis. 3112 02:33:28.520 --> 02:33:30.600 They're doing a pay per view almost every month now 3113 02:33:31.280 --> 02:33:32.879 to end of the year, so we will get you 3114 02:33:32.959 --> 02:33:35.079 primed and ready for that. I think there's a college 3115 02:33:35.079 --> 02:33:38.040 tonight who talked about how we keep them informed with 3116 02:33:38.120 --> 02:33:40.040 Ring of Honor, So that is our goal here is 3117 02:33:40.399 --> 02:33:41.920 there's a lot of wrestling going on. So if you 3118 02:33:41.959 --> 02:33:43.399 need to be informed a Ring of Honor, you give 3119 02:33:43.440 --> 02:33:45.680 us a listen every Thursday and we will do that 3120 02:33:45.840 --> 02:33:49.120 and about every other week we have a guest, and 3121 02:33:49.159 --> 02:33:52.040 we just for tomorrow's episode, we talked to Dak Draper. 3122 02:33:52.760 --> 02:33:55.239 He is an up and comer within the business. I 3123 02:33:55.239 --> 02:33:59.040 think he will be a major player in you know, 3124 02:33:59.280 --> 02:34:02.399 three to five years and another company who are sorry, Oh. 3125 02:34:02.239 --> 02:34:03.680 He was great on mad Men. Just a really bad 3126 02:34:03.760 --> 02:34:04.319 joke ahead. 3127 02:34:04.399 --> 02:34:08.559 Yes, and he's got a dog named dog Draper, so 3128 02:34:08.600 --> 02:34:13.239 that's even more of the Don Draper reference there. But yeah, 3129 02:34:13.239 --> 02:34:14.719 he's on the show, so he's a great listen if 3130 02:34:14.760 --> 02:34:16.799 you want to kind of buy stock early on wrestlers, 3131 02:34:16.840 --> 02:34:19.920 I think we're a good resource for that. And yeah, 3132 02:34:19.959 --> 02:34:21.639 so we're talking Ring of Honor and a little bit 3133 02:34:21.639 --> 02:34:23.600 of other stuff, but yeah, give us a listen there, 3134 02:34:23.639 --> 02:34:25.399 and then you can always read my alternate report for 3135 02:34:25.520 --> 02:34:29.319 aw Dynamite opposite of yours Wade every Wednesday, and then 3136 02:34:29.840 --> 02:34:32.879 for Rampage, we'll get better information than I did tonight. 3137 02:34:32.959 --> 02:34:37.000 But somehow you'll be able to listen to the Rampage 3138 02:34:37.360 --> 02:34:40.520 post show that I am a part of in coming weeks, 3139 02:34:40.559 --> 02:34:42.799 So more information to come. But yeah, you can follow 3140 02:34:42.799 --> 02:34:44.200 me in all those places, excellent. 3141 02:34:44.239 --> 02:34:46.799 You can follow me on Twitter at the Wade Keller. 3142 02:34:47.280 --> 02:34:50.079 You can follow our brand at PW Torch and of 3143 02:34:50.120 --> 02:34:53.200 course check out. As Toler mentioned, pw torch dot com 3144 02:34:53.559 --> 02:34:56.959 live TV coverage, live paper coverage, lots of TV show 3145 02:34:57.000 --> 02:35:01.360 reviews and hits, and missus columns, breaking news and more. 3146 02:35:01.840 --> 02:35:02.319 Awesome. 3147 02:35:03.280 --> 02:35:05.479 Well, we got roughly two and a half hours out 3148 02:35:05.479 --> 02:35:06.799 of a to hour wrestling show. 3149 02:35:06.799 --> 02:35:07.920 That's always good news. 3150 02:35:07.959 --> 02:35:10.520 That means we've got good collar support, a lot of 3151 02:35:10.520 --> 02:35:13.799 topics to delve into, and our on site correspondence. 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