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Speaker 2: Show five years ago.
Speaker 1: This week on the Dynamite post Show, I was joined
Speaker 1: by Tyler Sage from PW Torch. We talked about Lance
Speaker 1: Archer's victory over John Moxley, was that his last big
Speaker 1: singles win, Also Britt Baker against Nyla Rose MGFF, bringing
Speaker 1: Nick Gage in to challenge the Painmaker, Chris Jericho, Chobo
Speaker 1: Garrau being paired with Onriday l Edelo, the enthusiasm of
Speaker 1: AW crowds, and whether AW could overtake Raw in the
Speaker 1: weekly ratings battle, and more. Over two hours nearly two
Speaker 1: and a half hours of analysis from five years ago.
Speaker 1: This week here on the way Teller Pro Wrestling Post
Speaker 1: Show five years ago, Dynamite flashback for Sunday, July nineteenth,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty six. The show originally live streamed on July
Speaker 1: twenty first, twenty twenty one. Well, Tyler, that was quite
Speaker 1: the adrenaline rush of very close to a show. My
Speaker 1: only description I had time for in my written report
Speaker 1: was JFC exclamation mark. Wow. Lance Archer, the new IWGPUS champion,
Speaker 1: beating John Moxley, who got stuck to barbed wire after
Speaker 1: being slammed off the ring apron threw a couple of
Speaker 1: tables and curled up barbed wire. That was not the
Speaker 1: most amazing spot of the match, one of the most
Speaker 1: And I don't want to glorify it because it seems
Speaker 1: to me like possible per palysis when Archer dropped, slammed,
Speaker 1: choke slammed Moxley onto the back of those two chairs
Speaker 1: that were set up and back to back, and they
Speaker 1: just didn't give you know, I mean, it just feels
Speaker 1: like the spinal cord could break or something. I think
Speaker 1: mine would, but Moxley seemed fine. They cut to crowd shots.
Speaker 2: I'm not alone. They went up to a close up.
Speaker 1: Of a fan who was like, oh my god, this
Speaker 1: is part of Aw's brand and this crowd. John Cena
Speaker 1: would not have had to do any heavy lifting to
Speaker 1: get this crowd warmed out. Oh my god, this is
Speaker 1: what wrestling pro wrestling experience is meant to be.
Speaker 2: Like, if you're in the building and that energy level.
Speaker 1: Made you know, clunky spots here and there irrelevant, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, you don't want to just accept
Speaker 1: them and not try to get better, and you want
Speaker 1: to have a roster that minimizes them. But like when
Speaker 1: you have a crowd this into everything, practically, you can
Speaker 1: like not be super smooth and perfect. So yeah, Archer
Speaker 1: the new champ. I mean, that's that's a headline coming
Speaker 1: out of the show. Your thoughts, well, actually nick age
Speaker 1: might be for some people, but your thoughts on the
Speaker 1: main event.
Speaker 3: Yeah, First of all, I'm surprised by your reaction. I
Speaker 3: know it seems to be whenever I'm on the show
Speaker 3: there's some sort of death match in the show, because
Speaker 3: I think I was at the on the post show
Speaker 3: with Britt Baker and thunder Rose after their their epic battles.
Speaker 3: So I'm just like kind of surprised by your reaction.
Speaker 3: But you know, I think that's good. I think the
Speaker 3: live Crab really helps, like you said, gloss over some
Speaker 3: things that may not be the most ideal way to
Speaker 3: present your product week in and week out. I think
Speaker 3: you've stated that well, and you know this work for me.
Speaker 3: I'm I'm a once ever listening to he knows, I'm
Speaker 3: a I'm a fan of this type of wrestling more
Speaker 3: than others. And that spot that you described, yes, was
Speaker 3: you know, that's I'm shouting out expletives in my in
Speaker 3: my house, hyping up my report here because it is
Speaker 3: just like something that especially you know, if you have
Speaker 3: not watched crazy wrestling all the time, and that's the
Speaker 3: spot that gets set up a lot but doesn't actually
Speaker 3: fall through because yeah, it's too crazy to actually do.
Speaker 3: So yeah, that was that was there. I kind of
Speaker 3: lost your initial question because I was taken back by
Speaker 3: your your opinion of which I'm happy with. But yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, it was a adrenaline Russian. I think
Speaker 3: this is a good sample for next week. I don't
Speaker 3: know how much Chris Jericho is gonna let Nick Age do,
Speaker 3: but that type of wrestling, I doubt there's gonna be
Speaker 3: light tubes or anything like that, but it might be
Speaker 3: a lot for two weeks back to back, So I'm
Speaker 3: kind of curious see how they they treat that and
Speaker 3: where that'll be and how that'll be booked. But uh,
Speaker 3: but yeah, this is a W's brand and the live crowd, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean, much much harder for this start to finish
Speaker 3: than than it was earlier in the week in the
Speaker 3: same city. Not not the same fans, I'm gonna guess,
Speaker 3: but yeah, I know it was. It was a stark difference,
Speaker 3: and I think that is something that Tony CON's gonna
Speaker 3: be very happy about and try and try and be
Speaker 3: a little tip in his cat.
Speaker 1: And let me be clear, this is not my favorite match.
Speaker 1: This is not my favorite kind of match, but I
Speaker 1: can watch, like I don't know a lot about much
Speaker 1: of anything about like European soccer football, But if crowd's
Speaker 1: going completely apesient crazy, I mean, I'm gonna you can
Speaker 1: pull me in, you know, if if everybody's just so yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, some of the violence, it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: the Jabin with the fork, it's just like, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it's not I've seen some wild death matches in person,
Speaker 1: going back to Bruiser Brodie and Crusher.
Speaker 2: Blackwell and Matt Dogva, Sean and I loved it.
Speaker 1: So it's not like I'm like a snob about It's
Speaker 1: just that's not like my favorite thing. And I think
Speaker 1: there's been some garbage wrestling that I've seen, you know,
Speaker 1: some ultra violent matches. It just felt like garbage wrestling.
Speaker 1: It felt excessive, you know, tax, and like, I think
Speaker 1: that's kind of played out.
Speaker 2: Did we get tax in this match?
Speaker 3: So it can be done.
Speaker 1: It can be done, people, That's my point, Like you
Speaker 1: can do this kind of match and not go to
Speaker 1: some tired cliches. We didn't get fake beer bottles, you know,
Speaker 1: like the you know, the breakaway like, so this is
Speaker 1: just really well done for this style of match, and
Speaker 1: like I said, the crowd elevated it like crazy. I'm
Speaker 1: not a fan of blows to the head, you know,
Speaker 1: with whether it's FOURD objects or not. I mean, I
Speaker 1: just think people need to be careful about that. And
Speaker 1: you know, the bloodlust and adrenaline and feeding frenzy of
Speaker 1: crowd heat can drive wrestlers to do crazy things. And
Speaker 1: there's a list of VCW wrestlers who didn't make a
Speaker 1: page fifty who were feeding into that, so you know,
Speaker 1: I mean that's up to Tony Kahan to a degree
Speaker 1: to you know, I'm just trying to pour a bucket
Speaker 1: on this, but you know, let's let's let's not Let's
Speaker 1: keep in mind, you know that wrestlers are people too,
Speaker 1: and this kind of crowd reaction is is addictive, and
Speaker 1: you know it can pull wrestlers into and promoters frankly
Speaker 1: into booking these types of matches a lot, and so
Speaker 1: you know, just be real careful. But the thing about
Speaker 1: this is it I mean, yes, there was some no
Speaker 1: selling a crazy big moves, you know, middle finger to
Speaker 1: whatever the paradigm shift spot was and all that, but
Speaker 1: it felt like they really made what they did count,
Speaker 1: like I it was. It would be crazy to say
Speaker 1: they didn't get gratuitous, but it didn't seem gratuitous for
Speaker 1: gratuitous sake.
Speaker 2: We'll see what happens next week with Nick Gage.
Speaker 1: So yeah, my minitor reaction and again, I'm just pulled
Speaker 1: into any kind of you know, crowd going nut situation.
Speaker 1: When it works, it's not about you, it's it's it's
Speaker 1: about is this product working. And it was just a
Speaker 1: wild ride, you know, Dynamite's a wild ride. I mean,
Speaker 1: the way they were into Britt Baker and Nila ros everything,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean Jericho at the beginning. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, they're in a groove, and I think ratings
Speaker 1: should keep going up with the core demo. You know
Speaker 1: that just that eighteen to forty nine maybe up to
Speaker 1: you know, the twenty five to fifty four number doesn't
Speaker 1: get talked about as much. Advertisers love that one too,
Speaker 1: and you know w B's you know, that's not their
Speaker 1: Their strength is more, you know, older people above age
Speaker 1: fifty five, and you know, kind of legacy fans who
Speaker 1: are loyal to the brand. And then there's obviously kids.
Speaker 1: You know, they market the kids, and aw is just going, Oh,
Speaker 1: there's that whole middle zone advertisers love, let's super serve them,
Speaker 1: and I feel like they're doing that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would agree. I mean that's you know, the
Speaker 3: zone that I'm in personally, and you know, I don't
Speaker 3: let my let my I don't know biases right the word,
Speaker 3: but you know, I definitely prefer watching this every week
Speaker 3: then I do, you know, I mean Raw was okay
Speaker 3: a couple of nights ago. Is better than it has been,
Speaker 3: but you know, it still feels a little bit more
Speaker 3: like a slog the third hour does that, so it's
Speaker 3: not to be a versus thing bit. I mean, I
Speaker 3: think all your points are about there.
Speaker 1: Well, I wrote in my report at pw torch dot
Speaker 1: com and my final thoughts on the show right before
Speaker 1: logging on to do this, it's such a contrast to
Speaker 1: what w B is doing. Even if even if w
Speaker 1: B was doing what they try to do immaculately, which
Speaker 1: they're not, this is just a whole different breed of
Speaker 1: pro wrestling. I mean, the segment with Pak and Androtti
Speaker 1: and stuff like that never make WWTV, you know, there's
Speaker 1: just too much Spanish. But it didn't matter. They could
Speaker 1: have bounce between German and Russian. And the way the
Speaker 1: crowd isn't do it in the authenticity of it, and
Speaker 1: the cool characters and the fact that they seemed like
Speaker 1: genuinely expressing real feelings, not reciting memorized lines. It pulls
Speaker 1: me in, you know. So yeah, I mean, so it
Speaker 1: was a lot of fun. Well, let's introduce ourselves and
Speaker 1: not talk too long before we get to phone calls.
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Speaker 3: Hey, thanks, happy to be here. And yeah, thanks for
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Speaker 1: So can you say the what is the most populated
Speaker 1: city in the United States?
Speaker 4: Tyler?
Speaker 3: It's in New York City, Yes.
Speaker 1: Not North Like Cody Shavani struggle to say, that was
Speaker 1: a fun moment. I thought this. I bring that up
Speaker 1: in part because I thought the announcers seemed to be
Speaker 1: having fun tonight, and I felt that last week too.
Speaker 1: I think kind of like Kenny Omega, shines is a
Speaker 1: heel playing off of a live audience more than playing
Speaker 1: a bunch of empty seats or scattered fans in you know,
Speaker 1: an outdoor venue. When there's like that real feedback, he
Speaker 1: seems to thrive and whatever it could be other things
Speaker 1: to going on that that are that are you know,
Speaker 1: just adjusting his charac I think Rashavani X caliber. Despite
Speaker 1: the travel, which could make Ross especially grumpy, it feels
Speaker 1: like they're having more fun. Maybe it's a result of
Speaker 1: Ross just sort of kicking it up a gear after
Speaker 1: slipping up with Adov dynamite thing or variety of factors.
Speaker 1: But they I don't know, hear things. I don't know
Speaker 1: how well they get along, you know, after the show's
Speaker 1: always but or even during the shows, as we hear sometimes.
Speaker 1: But this scene, it's it's it's more fun when they
Speaker 1: all seem to be having fun. And I thought, you know,
Speaker 1: there it wasn't excessive, they didn't make it all about them,
Speaker 1: but there was a looseness and a chemistry between them
Speaker 1: tonight with some some fun moment, especially given Shavani a
Speaker 1: hard time at different times, and I thought the flow
Speaker 1: is good. I think their chemistry has improved. And your
Speaker 1: quick thoughts on that, Tyler, Yeah.
Speaker 3: I agree. I think just like you know, when you
Speaker 3: think about people that you work with, your coworkers, how
Speaker 3: easily can you kind of save them? And Excalibur a
Speaker 3: couple of times here with finishing sentences that Ross and
Speaker 3: Tony couldn't finish, and it didn't feel like there's malice
Speaker 3: behind it. It felt like he was really helping them out
Speaker 3: and and then they thanked him. So yeah, those little
Speaker 3: things go a long way to show you that they
Speaker 3: are on better footing than they were maybe you know,
Speaker 3: six months ago, three months ago, something like that. So yeah,
Speaker 3: I agree.
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Speaker 1: them that the Nick Gage announcement was He said about
Speaker 1: half the people knew him and half didn't, you know,
Speaker 1: which sounds about right, just in terms of an AW crowd.
Speaker 1: You know, I think people can watch AW and not
Speaker 1: have watched you know, Nick Gage documentaries, understand what his
Speaker 1: story is, but about half the crowd new. I venture
Speaker 1: to guess it'd be a lot less if John Cena
Speaker 1: had dropped his name on RAW on Monday. But it
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Speaker 1: start with We'll go with Nick and Bradleburrow first. Nick,
Speaker 1: You're so patient, always waiting for so I'm gonna bring
Speaker 1: you on early here and get your thoughts on things.
Speaker 1: Go ahead, Nick, what do you think of dynamite tonight?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 5: Well, thank you for for for for getting me on. Hi, Tyler,
Speaker 5: how are you doing. I want to thank you for
Speaker 5: all your r O H information. It's really helping me
Speaker 5: on my hits and missus Anyway, I want to know
Speaker 5: who still makes metal garbage camps? The only use they
Speaker 5: have is in wrestling matches. Yeah, there's something to that,
Speaker 5: you know, I see you metal garbage can go. Oh
Speaker 5: that thing is getting bent. Just I think this show
Speaker 5: is great. I thought, you know, yeah, I mean the
Speaker 5: last match could turn some people off. It's not my superstyle,
Speaker 5: but I can take it now and then, especially with
Speaker 5: someone like Moxie Moxley, who you know that's his thing.
Speaker 5: And I'll really compliment aw because when they did the
Speaker 5: split screen, I refused to call it picture and picture.
Speaker 5: It was during that was mostly the time Moxley was
Speaker 5: setting up the tables, he was throwing chairs into the ring.
Speaker 5: He was It was kind of like they used that
Speaker 5: moment to do all the stuff, to get stuff set up,
Speaker 5: and then they got right back right before he jumped
Speaker 5: and he squished his ankle in the in the chair.
Speaker 5: So it's like, you know, it was it was perfect.
Speaker 5: That's the that's what she should use a commercial break
Speaker 5: for the crowd still into it. But you as the viewer,
Speaker 5: aren't really missing anything super super serious. I just thought
Speaker 5: I thought the whole show was just they took it
Speaker 5: up and down. I just thought it was I thought
Speaker 5: it was great.
Speaker 1: They are getting better at what they do. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's just, you know, a year and a half ago,
Speaker 1: they weren't as good as they are now at doing
Speaker 1: a live TV show with all the little things that
Speaker 1: WWE has mastered and polished to a point of it
Speaker 1: seeming sterile, you know, and two formulaic that is not
Speaker 1: an aw problem.
Speaker 2: And they made this.
Speaker 1: You know, they make a lot of things work that
Speaker 1: were clunky. You know that we would have been pointing
Speaker 1: out a year and a half ago, Tyler, There's there's more,
Speaker 1: you know, there's there's more elbow grease put into some
Speaker 1: of the between match segments. There's more pizazz in terms
Speaker 1: of the presentation of the product, but they haven't sacrificed
Speaker 1: the other stuff, you know, the promos and the matches
Speaker 1: in the angles.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree, And just on you next point on
Speaker 3: using the commercial break, I mean, it's it's formulaic in
Speaker 3: a good way that AW typically does the kind of
Speaker 3: slow you know, like for example, another example and I
Speaker 3: the Blade did most of his uh you know, offense
Speaker 3: during a break, and then as soon as they came
Speaker 3: back from break, Orange Cassidy got his comeback and the
Speaker 3: crowd popped, and it just makes the show feel a
Speaker 3: lot more lively. And uh yeah, it just just those
Speaker 3: little things work really well. And having set the you know,
Speaker 3: promo packages right before the break to get you excited
Speaker 3: for the following week, and just setting up matches week
Speaker 3: in and week out effectively, it's just uh yeah, it's
Speaker 3: good stuff by then.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Nick, back to you.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: The I also, I'm really happy they got Travo to
Speaker 5: be with Andrade now. And it's i whether they originally thought, Okay,
Speaker 5: Vicky's the one and this is going to be great,
Speaker 5: or they changed, you know, they jumped off one horse
Speaker 5: and jumped onto another mid stream. It works because he's
Speaker 5: a guerrero. I mean, it just it it brings in
Speaker 5: someone much better for Andra da without. Oh, we made
Speaker 5: a big mistake with Vicky. We gotta we gotta make it,
Speaker 5: make a big change. And I agree with you completely
Speaker 5: that whole segment the Spanish. I'm not a Spanish speaker,
Speaker 5: it didn't bother me. I thought it was kind of
Speaker 5: cool that because they're in Texas, probably a quarter to
Speaker 5: a half of that audience speaks Spanish or at least
Speaker 5: some Spanish, so that they got a reaction to the
Speaker 5: pure Spanish from the from part of the audience. So
Speaker 5: you were like, Okay, I don't know what he said,
Speaker 5: but it was something cool because and then they had
Speaker 5: the guy, and then they had uh Penta's guy translate,
Speaker 5: and Androtte got most of what he needed to say
Speaker 5: out in his style, and he actually kind of seemed
Speaker 5: to own it. Yeh that he Okay, I'm not the
Speaker 5: best English speaker, but it doesn't matter because I'm Andrade
Speaker 5: l L L eat alone, you know. I mean, it's
Speaker 5: just I thought that was great and Chavo in a
Speaker 5: nice suit. I just think I think it was. I
Speaker 5: thought it was a perfect transitioning andrade up the ladder
Speaker 5: a little.
Speaker 1: Bit is Uh, how would you explain Tyler the face
Speaker 1: heel dynamic in that segment where is it a pickum?
Speaker 5: Is it?
Speaker 1: Or are we being steered in a real direction?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think Andred is is pretty solidly
Speaker 3: the heel. Now, Tavo did give me big keel manager
Speaker 3: vibes which went in there. It was like, wow, you
Speaker 3: remember me, This is great. I don't think that was all.
Speaker 1: The talents unbelievable.
Speaker 2: You guys are great.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like that weird, a weird way to get heal heat.
Speaker 1: That was and that was my point, like, you know,
Speaker 1: bailing out of the ring at the end, clearly on
Speaker 1: RAIDI is a heel the way he's cocky. You should
Speaker 1: be listening to me. And they're like, you know, we're not,
Speaker 1: you know, Pak saying they don't work for me.
Speaker 2: We're a family.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's such a What I loved about that,
Speaker 1: except for Chavo, was the clear heel face dynamic, Like
Speaker 1: I don't want Pawk to be a tweeener. I don't
Speaker 1: want penton Ry Phoenix to be like well, it's circumstantial
Speaker 1: depending on who they're who they're facing. I like, give
Speaker 1: me clear cut reasons, because that's what's fun. It's it's
Speaker 1: I mean, yes, cheering wildly for spots and big moments.
Speaker 1: Of course, that's a great part of pro wrestling. But
Speaker 1: I want to have I want to like some people
Speaker 1: and dislike some people, just like when I watch sports,
Speaker 1: and this gata to me. I asked you because the
Speaker 1: Chavo thing did throw it off a little, and I
Speaker 1: want Chavo can be a really effective, annoying, cloying, annoying,
Speaker 1: whiny heel. He's not the coolest guy, and Androtti's like
Speaker 1: the coolest guy, So I'm not one hundred percent sold
Speaker 1: on Chavo yet either, other than relative to Vicki, it's
Speaker 1: it's an upgrade. I want to see how he kind
Speaker 1: of matures into this and it isn't just sort of
Speaker 1: the kind of plane speaking, you know, whatever, whatever he
Speaker 1: was before. Like, I want to know what actually has
Speaker 1: I get. They're trying to make Andrada, you know, build
Speaker 1: on the Guerrero history, and there's so much of what
Speaker 1: Tony Kahan, you know, lived through the Monight War era
Speaker 1: and beyond, and he really wants to kind of recreate
Speaker 1: special moments like that.
Speaker 2: I get it.
Speaker 1: I think it's smart to a degree, but I want
Speaker 1: to see Chavo grow into this spot as opposed to
Speaker 1: oh my god, you remember being I'm so happy to
Speaker 1: be here and you guys are great, which is kind
Speaker 1: of the vibe I got.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree, and I have similar reservations on Chavo
Speaker 3: in general, but we'll see. You know, I don't know.
Speaker 3: If it's not working, maybe they can do where Andrade is,
Speaker 3: you know, treat him unwell and then I don't know
Speaker 3: what you do with him after that. But uh yeah,
Speaker 3: I think it'll be a week by weekend and this
Speaker 3: is definitely a course correction that needed to happen, so
Speaker 3: I think he'll get the benefit of doubt for at
Speaker 3: least a couple of weeks because he's not Vicky. So
Speaker 3: you know, I think AW has showing the ability to
Speaker 3: pivot and either use characters or repackage them in a
Speaker 3: way that that uses them to the best capacity. So
Speaker 3: we'll see where it goes. But you know, I give
Speaker 3: them the benefit of the data at this point. With
Speaker 3: with with the characters that they introduced.
Speaker 1: Well, Tyler, would you rather have chav will come out
Speaker 1: and be like, thank you everybody for remembering me.
Speaker 2: I bet you think I'm grateful, but I'm not.
Speaker 1: I don't care about it any you know, Like and
Speaker 1: Pivot's just immediately from that that star reaction A, He's
Speaker 1: back to don't even think for a second that I
Speaker 1: care what you think about me. Like, just go a
Speaker 1: heel on him. I mean, the fans would love it.
Speaker 1: They'd laugh, they'd smile, and then they boo for fun
Speaker 1: like I would have done that. Like that's the only
Speaker 1: thing about the segment that you know, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, we can see where they go with him,
Speaker 1: but I don't think there's a lot that Chavo did
Speaker 1: to help the dynamic other than he can be the
Speaker 1: English speaking version of what Andrade just said.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I agree, And I think you know, if
Speaker 3: I were giving him bullet points, not scripting him, I
Speaker 3: would tell him to, you know, be like, oh, this
Speaker 3: is the big you never cheer for me like this before,
Speaker 3: so thanks for finally doing it, and then like turn
Speaker 3: on him that way that he never got the respect
Speaker 3: he deserved, and then Dry gives him respect and go
Speaker 3: that whole angle and turn to do a heal instantly,
Speaker 3: I think would have been much better course, because you know,
Speaker 3: it's been so long since it's been a major character
Speaker 3: on you know, wrestling television, that you could basically establish
Speaker 3: him instantly as that kind of character and it would
Speaker 3: work and we'd have memories of him. But this new
Speaker 3: character would be establish pretty quickly. And I think, you know,
Speaker 3: they'll have to do that next week or the week after,
Speaker 3: and then it'll feel a little foreign and then we'll
Speaker 3: and then we'll finally accept it four weeks from now.
Speaker 3: But yeah, kind of an odd.
Speaker 1: Start on Nick anything else for us.
Speaker 5: Yeah, just I think it's it's a great battle for
Speaker 5: Andrade to be in because he can have If you
Speaker 5: do two matches each, you've got six matches against great
Speaker 5: opponents for him, all of all four you know who
Speaker 5: can move and and just you know, they all seem
Speaker 5: to lay it in pretty hard. And it's just I'm
Speaker 5: just excited about seeing that whole dynamic work out and
Speaker 5: seeing the fights. I mean, I uh, it's just going
Speaker 5: to be fun to watch. And uh, I think as
Speaker 5: long as the a W keeps promoting fights ahead of time
Speaker 5: so that you know what you might be getting, I'll
Speaker 5: appreciate that, unlike all the surprises you get on WWE
Speaker 5: that that it's like, huh what who? I wasn't expecting that,
Speaker 5: you know.
Speaker 1: But they're not putting they're not putting them out there
Speaker 1: in the ring to have good matches. They're they're they
Speaker 1: know they can have good matches, and they will have
Speaker 1: good matches, and that's awesome. But they're giving them this storyline,
Speaker 1: this backstory that feels real and it feels relatable. So
Speaker 1: now they're more to it than just look at those
Speaker 1: cool moves, because that's not enough, Like it's I want it.
Speaker 1: I want it to be part of every you know,
Speaker 1: just about every you know feud, like yeah, good good
Speaker 1: more than confident wrestlers, excellent athletes doing great work, but
Speaker 1: don't say, well, the smaller guys who do great wrestling,
Speaker 1: we'll just put out there to kind of give fans
Speaker 1: like that at dose, but then we'll give these other
Speaker 1: people the real good promos like no, you can actually
Speaker 1: combine those two things, And it seems like that is
Speaker 1: what they're doing here. They're they're building on Andreiday's cool
Speaker 1: factor and presence and finding a way to support to
Speaker 1: support him and make the fact that he's not speaking
Speaker 1: English cool and part of his gimmick or not, not
Speaker 1: that he's not speaking any but that it's not his strength,
Speaker 1: that that doesn't seem like something that he now has
Speaker 1: to feel insecure about. And in WWE, it's just it
Speaker 1: sucked out the bravado that he had because he felt
Speaker 1: self conscious because of the position he was put in,
Speaker 1: and that is not the case now.
Speaker 5: Yep, yeah, I agree with you, and that's all I got.
Speaker 5: I just it was a great Oh, I guess I really,
Speaker 5: I thoroughly had a great two hours.
Speaker 2: Awesome, thanks and I appreciate it.
Speaker 3: All right, byebye, yeh, take care.
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Speaker 1: What do you think of Dynamite tonight?
Speaker 6: So just a contra point to the main event. This
Speaker 6: is exactly the sort of match that made me stay
Speaker 6: away from.
Speaker 3: A lot of other promotions.
Speaker 6: And let me just say I don't mind Violin matches,
Speaker 6: Randy Orton versus Make Foley, Triple H versus Make Foley,
Speaker 6: make Fully versus Edge. Those are all still matches I
Speaker 6: go back and I enjoy from time to time. But
Speaker 6: this match, and I think I said it last week
Speaker 6: as well, didn't have a story. And this is one
Speaker 6: of w This one of aw's flaws that continues is
Speaker 6: something they haven't corrected, is they'll give you this, They'll
Speaker 6: give you a match like Baker versus Rosa, with a
Speaker 6: very poorly told story for that one. This and in
Speaker 6: this one, almost zero story for a title that belongs
Speaker 6: to another promotion. Now I'm not trying to, you know,
Speaker 6: be contrarian or needlessly trash AW because Dynamite is the
Speaker 6: only show I watch and or at least week to week,
Speaker 6: but just imagine what this match could have been had
Speaker 6: there been some good Mike Foley level storytelling For weeks
Speaker 6: on end within AW Cannon, like the only story was, hey,
Speaker 6: remember the death match. They had another promotion that did
Speaker 6: an air on any of the same television networks that
Speaker 6: the current fan base is used to right so frankly,
Speaker 6: I mean I when it began, I went for a
Speaker 6: bathroom break. Then I came back. I did get into
Speaker 6: the match like I would a generic spotfest, But then
Speaker 6: I thought, do I really want to see any of
Speaker 6: them get their rast's kick right now? Do I feel
Speaker 6: for Lance Archer or John Moxy the way I felt
Speaker 6: for Triple Agent that I want to see this asshole
Speaker 6: just get his ass kick, Just drive him into thumbtacks
Speaker 6: or you know, root on Mick Buley. You know, I
Speaker 6: don't want him to retire, et cetera. I wasn't feeling that.
Speaker 6: I'm like, Okay, match is over.
Speaker 3: He lost a.
Speaker 6: Title that I don't really care about. So yeah, I
Speaker 6: know I should tell about someone more acquainted with New
Speaker 6: Japan explain.
Speaker 1: Well, that's no, no, your your your your point of
Speaker 1: view is valuable. You don't you don't have to defer
Speaker 1: to somebody who has watched a bunch of New Japan
Speaker 1: to have the feelings you had. They trust me, ae
Speaker 1: W and TNT do not only want people who know
Speaker 1: and are familiar with and love New Japan to watch Dynamite,
Speaker 1: So your point of view is absolutely essential to their growth.
Speaker 1: So ty I've got something to say to that. But Tyler,
Speaker 1: I want to get your take first.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think you know all your points two,
Speaker 3: I would just say that you know the matches you
Speaker 3: were referring to or you know, big pay per V
Speaker 3: matches that were kind of the keystone of the company
Speaker 3: at that time, and this is this was a match
Speaker 3: that you know made event a TV, but it was
Speaker 3: for a belt that you know, it's not part of
Speaker 3: this company. If if John Moxley was AW World Champion,
Speaker 3: I think this match would have had that build up
Speaker 3: if if he was going to drop it. So I
Speaker 3: just think it's it's you know, what the match needed
Speaker 3: to be. And an AW style right now is to
Speaker 3: put on like a lot of top tier matchups that
Speaker 3: don't have a great story week by week. I mean,
Speaker 3: for example, Malachi Black and Cody Rhodes is going to
Speaker 3: be on TV and in two weeks or through whatever
Speaker 3: it is, and I thought that was going to be
Speaker 3: it all out you know, probably still will be. But
Speaker 3: I think it just depends on you know, what you're
Speaker 3: looking for. And I don't think this match was ever
Speaker 3: booked to be a great story that people are gonna
Speaker 3: remember for a long time. It's more of a you know,
Speaker 3: people talking about the match after the show being like Wow,
Speaker 3: that was a crazy match for TV, and then we'll
Speaker 3: kind of kind of fade off in the memory it
Speaker 3: was kind of the plan. That's just kind of my
Speaker 3: my vibe on is that this is just a way
Speaker 3: to keep a hot product week in and week out
Speaker 3: by having matches that are exciting but maybe don't have
Speaker 3: the greatest story going into it because they don't have
Speaker 3: time to build those that many matches over and over again.
Speaker 3: But Wade, what was your tape?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that this was a TV made event.
Speaker 1: This wasn't a major pay per view match. And what
Speaker 1: I like about Dynamite in contrast to w is not
Speaker 1: everybody who faces everybody is wrestling each other because there's
Speaker 1: a personal feud that's long running and has multiple matches.
Speaker 1: This I like the variety of reasons that we see
Speaker 1: matches in AW and it's like in w TOBE, there's like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I'd have to sit down and like
Speaker 1: think there's a real little more, but it feels like
Speaker 1: probably eighty percent of them happen because they're a major
Speaker 1: they're involved in a major feud that will culminate at
Speaker 1: a pay per view, and fifteen percent is some other
Speaker 1: title title match, but not a few of some kind
Speaker 1: and five percent is like, you know, just to humiliate somebody.
Speaker 1: And with AW, it's like there's like, you know, probably
Speaker 1: six or seven main reasons matches take place are pretty
Speaker 1: evenly divided. Some of them are intense feuds. Sometimes it's
Speaker 1: up just a contendership match or a showcase match, or
Speaker 1: it's there to let somebody shine a little bit against
Speaker 1: somebody who also gets in you know, some spot sometimes
Speaker 1: too many, but in the end it's there to kind
Speaker 1: of feature with the star, and it's a backdrop and
Speaker 1: a buffer between other matches. Like my point is, there's
Speaker 1: lots of reasons matches happen. And one of the things
Speaker 1: about the AW brand that I like that is an
Speaker 1: adjustment and I'm I'm a voice often on the other
Speaker 1: side saying AW, be careful that you don't make people
Speaker 1: feel excluded from this special club that a lot of
Speaker 1: hardcore fans take great pride in. Who are the first
Speaker 1: to wear Bullet Club T shirts before every dork was
Speaker 1: wearing them, you know, whatever their attitude is about that,
Speaker 1: they're always on the cutting edge. They're the Bellweather fans,
Speaker 1: the influencers, the cool kids at the lunch, you know,
Speaker 1: the cool lunch table. Aw sometimes caters to them in
Speaker 1: a way that I think does make others feel excluded.
Speaker 2: So I have to be careful about that. And I
Speaker 2: bring that up.
Speaker 1: Because I think it's a legit hindrance to their growth
Speaker 1: at times, or you know, I think it has been
Speaker 1: and it could continue to be. However, sometimes you don't
Speaker 1: need to know everything to know this is a big
Speaker 1: deal and it's cool and there's something at stake here
Speaker 1: because there's five to fifteen thousand people going absolutely that'tch
Speaker 1: you crazy for it, and they go balls out and
Speaker 1: they're cool characters and they're battling over a championship that
Speaker 1: you don't know a lot about. But the announcers have
Speaker 1: enough credibility with you that if they tell you it's important,
Speaker 1: then there's a history to it. You're like, all right,
Speaker 1: i'll watch. And that's why I feel about, you know,
Speaker 1: a college basketball game now and then on a rainy,
Speaker 1: you know, Saturday afternoon, like, well, I don't really know,
Speaker 1: I don't even know where this college is, and I'm
Speaker 1: not a huge college basketball fan. But if the crowd's
Speaker 1: going crazy and I hear an announcer voice, I trust
Speaker 1: I'll get into it, especially if it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: the fourth quarter and it's close. So to me, it's
Speaker 1: like I like that a you. But it is an
Speaker 1: adjustment because it's different that matches happen for different reasons
Speaker 1: and not just mostly one reason. And if it's a
Speaker 1: good match and the characters of charism and the crowd
Speaker 1: super into it, I think you can get away with it.
Speaker 1: So that's kind of my framing of it.
Speaker 6: Hidden I would I would concede that if it wasn't
Speaker 6: a Texas deathmatch. I just don't. Yeah, I just don't
Speaker 6: see any reason for this speaking of death match, like takeaway, Fine,
Speaker 6: if you want unique competitors, two charismatic individuals competing for
Speaker 6: a foreign title, which is you know, still a prestigious
Speaker 6: title like I've seen Russell Kingdom shows like that. They
Speaker 6: do a good job. But I don't follow the product,
Speaker 6: you know, as closely as I need to, and I
Speaker 6: just don't get away it's a death match. But like
Speaker 6: for a death match, I want to see I want
Speaker 6: to be able to feel like I'm emotionally invested in
Speaker 6: I just wasn't emotionally invested in this. And Monsley is
Speaker 6: my favorite wrestler of the past, probably decade or so,
Speaker 6: and I don't know, but anyway, I'll think I've said
Speaker 6: my piece on it. I want to move on to
Speaker 6: the UH to another similar related point. What are your
Speaker 6: early thoughts on Wheeler Utub from a character standpoint? I
Speaker 6: don't know who he is. I mainly just know him
Speaker 6: from reading the the Dark reports on the Torch. I
Speaker 6: don't know why he's suddenly friends with Orange Cassidy and yeah,
Speaker 6: Calbert says he's the protege of Orange, but I don't
Speaker 6: know how much training Orange gives him. And I'm like,
Speaker 6: when did Orange become a trainer and when did they meet?
Speaker 6: Show me the moment they met, and like his style
Speaker 6: is so different from Oranges, but how does this fit?
Speaker 2: I don't know?
Speaker 6: So what are your What are your thoughts here?
Speaker 1: Tyler over? Are you first on that one too?
Speaker 3: Yeah? So I've been a fan of Wheeler for I
Speaker 3: don't know a few years now, and he was in
Speaker 3: when Ring and Wonner came back from the pandemic. He
Speaker 3: was in their Pure tournament and worked a couple dates
Speaker 3: with them, and they did not sign him, which I
Speaker 3: think they should have. So you can go to the
Speaker 3: podcast of Honor tomorrow and listen to my thoughts on that.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I think he's I think he's really good.
Speaker 3: And this he's definitely shoehorned into this because Trent is hurt,
Speaker 3: gonna be out for a while, and obviously they wanted
Speaker 3: to have the three male members of of the Best Friends,
Speaker 3: and he just kind of feels shoehorned in because he's
Speaker 3: a good worker. So yeah, I mean, I don't think
Speaker 3: there's a lot of good storytelling there and and and
Speaker 3: it shows and yeah, I mean I think that's probably
Speaker 3: the low marks from a presentation standpoint on the show
Speaker 3: is just the presentation of a Wheeler in that story
Speaker 3: and then kind of that blade orange cat all of this.
Speaker 3: That was kind of the lowest I had on this show.
Speaker 3: So I wo'd agree with you that, you know, Wheeler's good.
Speaker 3: He's kind of a job to the stars right now
Speaker 3: and it gets a couple of spots in and looks athletic,
Speaker 3: but you know, he's a guy kind of reminds me
Speaker 3: of like Lee Johnson or something that'll lose a bunch
Speaker 3: and then and then be with that group and and
Speaker 3: and maybe become somebody down the road. But yeah, so
Speaker 3: it's it's it's it's not good explanation of just uh,
Speaker 3: it's a This is one of the things where don't
Speaker 3: even explain it, because that's probably better than trying to
Speaker 3: shoehorn it in and explain it when half he announcement
Speaker 3: doesn't know what's going on.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think they don't get a great grade
Speaker 1: for explaining who he is and why he's hanging out.
Speaker 1: I mean the they sort of try and come own.
Speaker 1: Now you can see why the best friends want to
Speaker 1: hang out with him? What they best friends just want
Speaker 1: to hang out with people who are you know, undersized
Speaker 1: but fit and athletic. Like what I don't get that?
Speaker 1: Like why you know, what is it that we know
Speaker 1: about the best friends that makes his ring style something
Speaker 1: that would make them then also friends. So yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean this is not a strength of aw when they decide, hey,
Speaker 1: we want to get this guy some TV time. He's good,
Speaker 1: he can give some good matches and he's a small guy,
Speaker 1: but he can make he can he can make the
Speaker 1: smaller part of the ae W roster not just obviously
Speaker 1: seem small, but work their style and keep up and
Speaker 1: be competitive. And I think that's why he's there. You know,
Speaker 1: he's trustworthy and in the ring and out of it,
Speaker 1: and you know whatever, whatever the reasons are that people
Speaker 1: end up getting on dynamite and that's there. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, but it's it's fine, it could be better.
Speaker 1: But sometimes you know, it's not like they're just ignoring
Speaker 1: it at all. It's just not a very good explanation.
Speaker 1: But I think he's good enough and the story that
Speaker 1: they tell with him is good enough that I don't
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Speaker 2: Hitting A.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I want to bring up something that I that
Speaker 6: I briefly mentioned last week, but I think today it
Speaker 6: applies as well regarding the uh, the Elite and the
Speaker 6: Hangman Page and Dark Order segment. So I think, well,
Speaker 6: first of all, I thought that, you know, Omega is
Speaker 6: getting good heat, which is not something I expected, and
Speaker 6: and Page is getting you know, same reactions he got
Speaker 6: prior to the pandemic. So I like that. I think
Speaker 6: Page has a little bit a little bit ways to
Speaker 6: go in terms of mic work, but I think you'll
Speaker 6: get there. My problem, I think is there are too
Speaker 6: many Dark Order members and they aren't exactly jobbers either,
Speaker 6: Like they're not on the level of the social outcasts
Speaker 6: in in WW a few years back, like they you know,
Speaker 6: they've challenged for championships before. So like the Elite, I
Speaker 6: feel just aren't having enough moments to get enough heat
Speaker 6: or enough you know, or generating enough sympathy for Hangman
Speaker 6: Page with you know, beat down or something like that.
Speaker 6: That Dark Order just kind of runs out like this
Speaker 6: giant army, like like they're like and they's so you know,
Speaker 6: there's just so many of them that just feels like, Okay,
Speaker 6: there's nothing that the Elite can possibly do short of
Speaker 6: just try and isolate them backstage, which you know, good
Speaker 6: luck with that because they always kind of hang out
Speaker 6: together anyway. Social distancing is not thing for them. So
Speaker 6: what are your thoughts on just this psychology. I know
Speaker 6: the crowd eats it up, but to me, it's like,
Speaker 6: I would really like the elite to kind of get
Speaker 6: a little more heat because we know Page is gonna
Speaker 6: win in the end, but there needs to be a
Speaker 6: better story told here, like better, I mean marginally, because
Speaker 6: it's already pretty good. But this is just like the
Speaker 6: perfectionist in me saying this.
Speaker 3: Tyler, your thoughts, Yeah, I mean I personally have an
Speaker 3: issue with it. I think it's my issue would be
Speaker 3: similar but not exactly the same, is that the run ins,
Speaker 3: the way the segments end have been kind of the
Speaker 3: same with the Dark Order in that same method. So
Speaker 3: I do think, you know, the Elite trapping them in
Speaker 3: a room and having Page on an island and getting
Speaker 3: keen on him, you know, on the lead up to
Speaker 3: maybe the multiman tag match would be good or something
Speaker 3: like that. You know, changing it up in general is good,
Speaker 3: but you know, I guess I just don't view the
Speaker 3: Dark Order as a threat, even as you know, even
Speaker 3: if they were, you know, ten to five Dark Order
Speaker 3: to Elite members I think the Elder books so strong
Speaker 3: that I would I still feel good about the elite
Speaker 3: to odds there, so I think that helps with me
Speaker 3: not being too worried about it. And yeah, I mean,
Speaker 3: I guess we'll talk about it later or now. But
Speaker 3: I'm not so sure Page is going to win this.
Speaker 3: But that's just my opinion. Maybe we can save it
Speaker 3: for later if we need to. But what do you think?
Speaker 1: I I'm not sure, but I feel like the crowd
Speaker 1: would like to see it. I think Omega is doing
Speaker 1: a good enough job right now with Kallous that it
Speaker 1: just some of it's going to come down to the
Speaker 1: lay of the lane. I mean, unless they just have
Speaker 1: it locked in and they absolutely know where they want
Speaker 1: to go after that and after that. But I think
Speaker 1: crowd responses are gonna have something to do with and
Speaker 1: they are on a a what is it politicians say,
Speaker 1: A listening to her when they when they are going
Speaker 1: to declare their candidacy or there's some tax reason they
Speaker 1: can't yet or something. I can't remember the details on it.
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna go on a listening tour. But I'm
Speaker 1: not running yet. AW is on a listening tour, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, I think they want to know what's working,
Speaker 1: what's not. You know, what options do we have with
Speaker 1: wrestlers who show up and sign? I mean see them.
Speaker 1: Punk rumors are blowing up, Daniel Brian rumors are blowing up.
Speaker 1: So I mean, if CM Pump gets signed or Daniel
Speaker 1: Brian gets signed in their baby faces, Kenny Wagus should
Speaker 1: keep the title and they should make lots and lots
Speaker 1: of money with those matches. First, if Punk's gonna come
Speaker 1: in as a heel and be some anti aw person
Speaker 1: that you'd be great antagonists for Hangman Page, for instance,
Speaker 1: Danie Briand should be a baby face. I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: entertain that notion. So that's my point, you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: but it's it's two good choices, because I think Kenny's
Speaker 1: doing a good enough a good job now. He seems
Speaker 1: to be putting some thought into his wardrobe and his hair,
Speaker 1: and it sounds weird to say that, like, well, who cares.
Speaker 1: Well look at him for a while, he looked like
Speaker 1: he woke up from a nap and didn't care.
Speaker 2: And it's like now.
Speaker 1: It looks more major league. It just it does. He's
Speaker 1: a more polished act and all that stuff adds up
Speaker 1: and makes a difference and it so anyway, yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: final canny keeping it.
Speaker 2: But Hayman pitched as.
Speaker 1: Far as the number of Dark Order members, I mean,
Speaker 1: the crowd pop for them tonight. You know, I'm not
Speaker 1: a listening tour too. You know, it's not all about
Speaker 1: what I think. I mean, I want to listen to
Speaker 1: what crowds react to and the dynamic with Hangman and
Speaker 1: Dark Orders and for everyone. But I'm fine with it
Speaker 1: not being a faction that you can name everybody because
Speaker 1: it I don't think it's they're not. I mean, John
Speaker 1: Silver is sort of the star of the group, but
Speaker 1: I mean Cocabat is like a good talker and a
Speaker 1: veteran and he's had TV exposure in a lot of companies,
Speaker 1: but he just sort of stands around, you know. I
Speaker 1: mean it's it's more about the some of the parts
Speaker 1: than it's more about the whole than the individuals that
Speaker 1: make it up. So anyway, I don't know if I
Speaker 1: answered everything, but I hit any follow up to that
Speaker 1: are closing words.
Speaker 6: You make some good points there. I just wanted to
Speaker 6: respond to one thing regarding the uh the Chavo Guerrero appearance.
Speaker 6: I was my first full year as a wrestling fan
Speaker 6: was oh four when Chavo is a strong made card,
Speaker 6: so I do have a soft spot for him. I'm
Speaker 6: not sure how I feel about him managing Andrade. I
Speaker 6: don't think he oozes enough charisma or is good enough
Speaker 6: on the mic. But just regarding your your the babyface
Speaker 6: heel dynamic, this is what AW does all the time.
Speaker 6: Anytime someone makes a debut, they're always a baby face.
Speaker 6: Look at Miro for example, right like, he was just
Speaker 6: total I am all elite, screwww, all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 6: So they just kind of let them go. They're like, Okay, you,
Speaker 6: I don't care if you're managing freakin' Adolf Hitler. Right now,
Speaker 6: you're going to be a babyface and and then next week,
Speaker 6: let's do the heel stuff because you know, the crowd
Speaker 6: knows that the stuff's all fake anyway. So that's just
Speaker 6: another one of my pet peeves of AID. They just
Speaker 6: kind of let people I think vent a little too
Speaker 6: much when that venting can be done on podcasts. But yeah, otherwise,
Speaker 6: thank you guys very much for for taking my call.
Speaker 6: I really appreciate it. Uh, stay tuned for the Rampage
Speaker 6: hits and missus, which Wade was kind enough to let
Speaker 6: me handle starting August.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we got Rampage coming up, Tyler. You know about that,
Speaker 1: I do.
Speaker 3: It was a shameless plug time or what.
Speaker 2: Yeah, go for it, go for it. Oh thank you
Speaker 2: by the way.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so thank you Wade for for your give
Speaker 3: me the opportunity to do the Rampage post show. I
Speaker 3: think we're gonna do a rotating UH co host and
Speaker 3: we'll be either be exclusive or adding on to your
Speaker 3: SmackDown post shows and it'll be me in a guest
Speaker 3: host just recapping and talking about Rampage like we do
Speaker 3: here on UH for Dynamite or for Raw for SmackDown.
Speaker 3: So more details account that's kind of the rough picture
Speaker 3: right now. So yeah, very excited for that.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 1: We will have coverage of Rampage at PW torch dot com,
Speaker 1: PW Torch VP dot com for our VPP members, on
Speaker 1: our ad free website, and UH audio coverage of it afterwards.
Speaker 1: So it is impossible for me to host the SmackDown
Speaker 1: post show and watch Rampage and do you know the
Speaker 1: normal reaction and we'll see I mean, you might be
Speaker 1: stuck with the thunder of a e W. Or it
Speaker 1: could be like this really cool tight hour that they
Speaker 1: just make. You know, this this really exciting, musty program
Speaker 1: that shows up smacked on every week. We'll see and
Speaker 1: you get the uh, the feast or famina of of
Speaker 1: that situation, Tyler.
Speaker 2: So looking looking forward to that, all right?
Speaker 3: A lot?
Speaker 1: Oh no, go ahead, I.
Speaker 3: Was gonna say, a lot of Nick Camarado made events.
Speaker 3: I'm very excited for it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe the acclaimed will make make a return. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they've they've they've gone missing from Donamite.
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Speaker 1: Let's go to Alex in Montreal, Quebec. We'll travel around
Speaker 1: Canada here, Alex, God hear from you again?
Speaker 2: What do you think of that?
Speaker 7: Hey?
Speaker 10: Wait, hey Tyler. Overall, I enjoyed the show. I thought
Speaker 10: last week's was a bit the w's booking of Love.
Speaker 10: Lance Archer, not just recently but like since he's come up.
Speaker 10: I mean he's basically always been kind of like built
Speaker 10: up as this monster who gets like, you know, pretty hot,
Speaker 10: and then he is there to be taken down. So
Speaker 10: whether that's by Cody, by miro By, I'm sure he's
Speaker 10: out at least one or two more at once in there.
Speaker 10: But yeah, it's right by Moxley as well. So this
Speaker 10: isn't actually his first time fighting Boxley and ae W.
Speaker 10: They fought at the Anniversary show in twenty twenty around October.
Speaker 10: And this week I got the feeling and I knew.
Speaker 6: It was going to happen.
Speaker 8: I knew he was going to win tonight.
Speaker 10: Because they have the Road two Special this week. They
Speaker 10: were really making him come over as as a babyface,
Speaker 10: as kind of like a hometown boy, as someone who's
Speaker 10: his whole life really hard. And Jake Roberts some commentary
Speaker 10: on Elevation this week that you know, also really put
Speaker 10: over Lance Archer that you know, he's fighting for what
Speaker 10: he deserves kind of saying. And those two things, the
Speaker 10: Road two Special and the Elevation Special just clicked in
Speaker 10: my mind, like it's happening. They're going to change the
Speaker 10: title this Wednesday, and I'm going to be happy for
Speaker 10: him because it also happened in his hometown in Texas,
Speaker 10: and it was just to me, a beautiful booking. You know,
Speaker 10: you like him getting knocked down.
Speaker 1: Oh sorry, your connection went out, so I thought you
Speaker 1: might have been done. Go ahead and finish your thought.
Speaker 10: Oh okay, No, I was just saying it was just
Speaker 10: the beautiful booking tonight. I thought with giving Archer this
Speaker 10: kind of timely win, because had he lost this time,
Speaker 10: I think maybe it would have been, you know, a
Speaker 10: bridge too far, one too many big losses, and he
Speaker 10: needed a significant win in ae W. And I think
Speaker 10: going over Moxley, I mean that's a feather in his
Speaker 10: cap that he can kind of have with him and
Speaker 10: hold proudly for quite a while. I think he can
Speaker 10: get a lot of juice out of that for for
Speaker 10: several months at least. So, yeah, I was just so
Speaker 10: happy with the booking and having Archer finally get his
Speaker 10: first major significant victory and his first major not really feud,
Speaker 10: but yeah, his first major real victory over a significant
Speaker 10: other character opponent in AW. So Yeah, just how have
Speaker 10: you felt about his booking so far? And did you feel, yeah,
Speaker 10: this was the right time, they made the right call.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Are you surprised by the title change and then
Speaker 1: what Alex had to say about you know, kind of
Speaker 1: a contrast to do to be you know, I mean
Speaker 1: even this week, you know, book the hometown guy to
Speaker 1: win and let the crowd enjoy it. Your your thoughts
Speaker 1: on that and just kind of a larger story arth
Speaker 1: that Alex brings up about Archer's role in AW and
Speaker 1: how they utilize him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was probably about sixty forty that was gonna
Speaker 3: you know, Maxley was going to retain. You know, that's
Speaker 3: more so to do with who does New Japan want
Speaker 3: to hold that belt? And you know, who do they
Speaker 3: want to have on New Japan strong? Could they get
Speaker 3: Moxley to work on that? It was that allowed all
Speaker 3: that sort of stuff. But yeah, so I was, you know,
Speaker 3: mildly surprised when Archer got the win here, but I
Speaker 3: totally agree that he needed to win here. I mean,
Speaker 3: I you know, I was going through his whole history
Speaker 3: and I can't think of one major win that that
Speaker 3: Archer has had. And you know, the most impressive thing
Speaker 3: that Archer has done is he's that I could think
Speaker 3: of without him losing, was him just getting instincts face
Speaker 3: a couple of times a few months ago and a
Speaker 3: every other time he's been on the losing end of
Speaker 3: the feud. So and uh so, yeah that was good
Speaker 3: and and and he up to this point has kind
Speaker 3: of been like every big guy in the eighties and
Speaker 3: w w F versus Hulcogain just kind of to everybody else.
Speaker 3: He was just that big guy that you know, was
Speaker 3: kind of a gatekeeper and like guys level up, like
Speaker 3: Miro and and Moxley and and and all those sort
Speaker 3: of guys, and you know that that's a good spot
Speaker 3: to be in. And he was booked in a way
Speaker 3: that one win here can you know, make him kind
Speaker 3: of a big time player again, which is good. And
Speaker 3: and I think, you know, at least in the past,
Speaker 3: I've been a little bit more negative than probably most
Speaker 3: people about having all these extra company belts, you know
Speaker 3: that that aren't AW belts, But I think it's a
Speaker 3: good use of when you have a different company's belt
Speaker 3: and you know, someone can lose it. It's not that
Speaker 3: big of a deal, but it can put somebody over,
Speaker 3: which is a net positive. So those are just kind
Speaker 3: of all my thoughts on on Archer. But yeah, I
Speaker 3: think he's been booked appropriately in my mind, and he's
Speaker 3: kind of being eated up here for you know, for
Speaker 3: someone to probably beat him down the line. I think
Speaker 3: this is about his apex within AW and I think
Speaker 3: that's totally fun.
Speaker 1: Alex anything else, Yeah, sure, I.
Speaker 10: Thought Jericho and Sean Spears really over delivered tonight. I
Speaker 10: thought that match could be like solid decent and it
Speaker 10: was that, And I thought a bit even better than that,
Speaker 10: the spots were pretty clever. I really liked the way
Speaker 10: they built up to the ending with Spears going into
Speaker 10: the chair in the corner and then just taking the
Speaker 10: Judas effect. So, you know, I wasn't very excited when
Speaker 10: we first announced these kind of like five labors of Jericho,
Speaker 10: But now after that performance and knowing that he's probably
Speaker 10: gonna put everything he can into making Nick Gage look
Speaker 10: like legit next week, I'm wondering if we could be
Speaker 10: in the midst of seeing kind of like a pretty
Speaker 10: special run from Jericho's character in aw because I thought
Speaker 10: tonight was a really strong start to this match series
Speaker 10: that he's going to have. So, yeah, what did you
Speaker 10: think of that match? And do you love Sean Spears
Speaker 10: as much as I do? Yet wide And uh, yeah,
Speaker 10: that's that's kind of my question there.
Speaker 1: Well, first of all, if I'm getting the kind of
Speaker 1: crowd reactions that Jerich was getting, I want to just
Speaker 1: wrestle every week. I mean, what that's I mean, it's
Speaker 1: got to feels so good for Chris to be in
Speaker 1: front of this these this generation of fans who are
Speaker 1: reacting to him.
Speaker 2: I think he's getting the.
Speaker 1: Best reactions of his career right now, which is saying something.
Speaker 1: And I've watched him dating back to him and Lance
Speaker 1: Storm in those you know, teeny bopper rock and roll
Speaker 1: express style intro videos for Smoking Mount Wrestling when he
Speaker 1: first debuted as a rookie, and so yes, I think
Speaker 1: if they throw somebody with different styles out of each week,
Speaker 1: and nick Age is certainly a surprise, uh, then that
Speaker 1: that's fun because that gives him a chance to do
Speaker 1: a real wide variety of things. I can't believe mg
Speaker 1: UF said, you know, it's the labors of Jericho, not
Speaker 1: Jericho going into labor. But based on his physical appearance,
Speaker 1: I can understand people being confused, like I can't believe
Speaker 1: this stuff MGF gets away with.
Speaker 2: That was amazing.
Speaker 1: And yes, when I watched Jericho's matches, it you watch
Speaker 1: to go what if I were a young wrestler, what
Speaker 1: would I be watching about the things Jericho was doing
Speaker 1: that I can learn from Because he's fifty years old,
Speaker 1: he's not in the best shape of his career, and
Speaker 1: yet he's doing really smart things structurally and timing and
Speaker 1: milking moments, and they're just you know, it's not about
Speaker 1: being as smooth and great of an athlete as he
Speaker 1: was fifteen or twenty years ago. That's that's not a thing,
Speaker 1: but it is study and watch and understand. You know,
Speaker 1: He's going to bring people up a level through efficiency
Speaker 1: and cleverness and being a ring general. And I thought
Speaker 1: there were some examples of that in this match. I
Speaker 1: didn't I'm blown away by the match, but yeah, I
Speaker 1: think it was more than it probably should have been
Speaker 1: if it worked somebody with Jericho smarts and and the
Speaker 1: brilliance of Sean Spears. Uh, Tyler, your thoughts.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with all that. I also think if
Speaker 3: I'm Sean Spears, I probably try and defend my character
Speaker 3: a little bit beforehand. I'd be like, do I have
Speaker 3: to do a head shot and then C four and
Speaker 3: you kick out of that? I would have maybe eliminated
Speaker 3: the head shot with the chair because I just kind
Speaker 3: of devalued John Spears even more so. I Mean, I
Speaker 3: know he's not the top guy in that group, but yeah,
Speaker 3: I thought that was a little much of a of
Speaker 3: a kick out there. But yeah, I Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 3: obviously Jeric was gonna win this, and I think the
Speaker 3: match was better than it had any right to be,
Speaker 3: to be honest, and yeah, I was just well told.
Speaker 3: It wasn't you know, the best work match everybody. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it was just the classic thing of you know, the
Speaker 3: story going into it, and you know, like that long
Speaker 3: term story that works, and this whole journey for Jericho,
Speaker 3: it's just it's just working really well. And you know,
Speaker 3: to go meta a little bit, what he signed in
Speaker 3: what mark of twenty eighteen, right or twenty nineteen, and
Speaker 3: you know, I think he signed a three year deal,
Speaker 3: So this could be some combination of him before he
Speaker 3: goes on tour with Fozzie in the fall, because I
Speaker 3: know those dates are confirmed, and you know, maybe his
Speaker 3: contracts coming up and he wants to have a good
Speaker 3: run and then you know, knowing Chris Jericho, he's you know,
Speaker 3: he's a mercenary and he'll he'll go to the highest bidder.
Speaker 3: So I would not be surprised if he took the
Speaker 3: money and wanted to have a good run here on
Speaker 3: the way out and wanted to be a big surprise
Speaker 3: at WrestleMania and Dallas next year. Or something like that
Speaker 3: if the contracts work out. But yeah, let's just be
Speaker 3: totally speculating. But you know, I think I think that's
Speaker 3: why we're seeing this intensity, that he's milking this this
Speaker 3: you know, like you said, way, I think it's the
Speaker 3: best reactions ever gotten and he wants to enjoy that.
Speaker 1: So yeah, Alex, anything else for us.
Speaker 10: Sure, just before I go this whole q T. Marshall thing.
Speaker 10: So the last two weeks he's had under one minute segments,
Speaker 10: which it leads me to believe that I think Tony
Speaker 10: Kahan has probably seen that, you know, this whatever this
Speaker 10: is with the actory, this faction maybe are not exactly
Speaker 10: a bust, but it's not working to the degree that
Speaker 10: maybe they were hoping for. And I'm wondering this kind
Speaker 10: of apology that he's promising that he will probably get
Speaker 10: or try to get out of Tony Shavanni next week
Speaker 10: is some kind of setup for Tony Shavanni bringing in
Speaker 10: someone to take out QT, to get like come up,
Speaker 10: to give them some come up and for you know,
Speaker 10: spilling coffee on him on National TV, or if someone's
Speaker 10: going to come to Tony Shavanni's aid and take out
Speaker 10: QT and kind of just it's not Bury the faction,
Speaker 10: but in a way, just give us a nice, conclusive
Speaker 10: goodbye to this story, because I just I don't find
Speaker 10: QT that compelling as a television character. And give him
Speaker 10: the time that he has been getting on TV lately,
Speaker 10: and how short that is. I think they're probably seeing
Speaker 10: that too, or maybe that's just me projecting my own
Speaker 10: desires onto what I want to happen. So yeah, just
Speaker 10: you know, I guess what I'm asking, What are the
Speaker 10: chances of QT taking a Shining Wizard from Brian Danielson
Speaker 10: A like.
Speaker 1: For Oh my god, I'd love for that to be like, see,
Speaker 1: I'm punk showing up. How dare you pick on Tony
Speaker 1: Shavanni Qt, Marshall, I want to see you on pay
Speaker 1: per view. And by the way, it's a protein shake.
Speaker 1: We have settled that dispute. It was not coffee. I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure it was some sort of some something a
Speaker 1: little thicker than it than coffee. Point of contention solved.
Speaker 1: I guess, uh, Tyler, I mean, you know, yes, it's
Speaker 1: less than a mint. QT. Is is that still less
Speaker 1: than you know? Thirty forty five seconds too long of
Speaker 1: the factory? Do they belong on a w dark Is
Speaker 1: it TV time well spent? And are they doing too
Speaker 1: much with Shavanni as fun and gregarious as you know,
Speaker 1: the announcers joshing around and the birth Baker thing. Are
Speaker 1: they overdoing it or or I'm saying this like not
Speaker 1: even having a strong stance myself, I'll show my hand.
Speaker 1: Or is Tony like a good asset in this way?
Speaker 1: Like people like him and you know he plays well
Speaker 1: off of you know, wrestlers, and he's he gets sympathy,
Speaker 1: so you know it's it's fun and it's harmless and
Speaker 1: it's a small segment.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I do think it's too much time for QT personally.
Speaker 3: You know, it just seems like him in the Factory
Speaker 3: are a definitely a darker dark elevation act at this point,
Speaker 3: which after losing the feed to Cody, and I don't
Speaker 3: know who could come out that would look better for
Speaker 3: doing it, you know, if it's I would see someone
Speaker 3: like Derby or Orange Cassidy that level of someone that
Speaker 3: would come out and make the save. But even though
Speaker 3: it's just like a cute little story to make them,
Speaker 3: you know, look good for thirty seconds, So I don't
Speaker 3: even think that's worth it. For anybody, But yeah, I mean,
Speaker 3: and then when it comes to Tony, I think you
Speaker 3: probably keep it to one segment a week of him
Speaker 3: being either in the ring announcing someone bringing them in,
Speaker 3: or you know, being backstage and being kind of the
Speaker 3: someone that someone attacks. Yeah, I mean, I think it works.
Speaker 3: They've they've kind of led off a little bit. He
Speaker 3: was doing it three four times an episode a few
Speaker 3: weeks ago, and they've kind of let up a little bit.
Speaker 3: So I think they're in the right track with him.
Speaker 3: But I think he's a very sympathetic character in those
Speaker 3: roles and can work and when he gets cut off
Speaker 3: or even when he talks back a little bit to
Speaker 3: like someone like Don Kallish or Kenny Omega, I think
Speaker 3: it works well. So I think what we saw tonight
Speaker 3: was a pretty perfect use of him week in and
Speaker 3: week out. You know, maybe some weeks to use him
Speaker 3: a little more of, some weeks a little less, even
Speaker 3: it out across the weeks. But yeah, I think I
Speaker 3: think he's a valuable asset in that role.
Speaker 1: Very good Alex, always good here for you. Thanks for calling.
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Speaker 7: Hey, gentlemen, you know, I think I like this a
Speaker 7: good deal less than most of the callers tonight. Not
Speaker 7: that it was bad or anything. It just it didn't
Speaker 7: really do for me what the last few episodes have done.
Speaker 7: I'm a bit worried, honestly. Just the trend here ECW
Speaker 7: showed that there's a heavy limit to the number of
Speaker 7: people who are willing to watch these hardcore matches. And
Speaker 7: it's not my thing, but I get that it's a
Speaker 7: lot of people's things, and I'm not going to begrudge
Speaker 7: anyone what they enjoy. But we had the Strap match
Speaker 7: a couple of weeks ago, we had this match this week,
Speaker 7: and now next week we've got what's going to be
Speaker 7: even more violent than what we saw this week. And
Speaker 7: that's three weeks in a row of matches that just
Speaker 7: would never make it onto a WWE program and I'm
Speaker 7: wondering is it too much.
Speaker 1: Nick age? Is gonna be too much for a lot
Speaker 1: of people? I mean, I am I am curious, you know,
Speaker 1: because do you pre record him? Or or am I
Speaker 1: buying the gimmick too much? Like is he going to
Speaker 1: violate live television standards like you know, Rush Rush and
Speaker 1: r Oh like violated r O H's like guidelines, Like
Speaker 1: I mean, I've heard that about it. It was just
Speaker 1: like you know, he's told, you know, don't do this
Speaker 1: and don't do that, we don't do that here, and
Speaker 1: he just does his own thing. Like is Nick Gage
Speaker 1: gonna be like that? And and or is there just
Speaker 1: gonna be a level of awe and respect and oh
Speaker 1: my god, look at this. I'm on TNT and I'm
Speaker 1: in the ring with Jericho. You know, yes, sir, you
Speaker 1: tell me what I'm gonna be, you know, like I
Speaker 1: don't know, I'm am I buying the the myth, the
Speaker 1: legend of in the nick gauge too much, or as
Speaker 1: Tony Shavani said, you know, there's a certain form of
Speaker 1: dose to b champion who you can check in with
Speaker 1: as far as that stuff goes. So no, I I
Speaker 1: mean I think your your voice, Chris in your waving
Speaker 1: a caution flag here is important. Like I watched this
Speaker 1: and it's like, hey, it's an adrenaline rush. The crowd
Speaker 1: super into it. It was a title change. I thought
Speaker 1: what they did mattered. They did more than they should have,
Speaker 1: you know, from a physical toll standpoint for my taste.
Speaker 1: But you know, we didn't get thumb tacks. There weren't
Speaker 1: a lot of There weren't some of the cliches, uh
Speaker 1: and and so all of that. You know, but you know,
Speaker 1: when nasers are going, I don't know if that's Moxley's blood
Speaker 1: on Arch or Archer's blood on Moxley or whatever. It's
Speaker 1: like every six weeks is probably good for good enough
Speaker 1: for this to be part of your brand. It might
Speaker 1: just be happenstance with you know the MGF Jericho Labor's
Speaker 1: Jericho thing that that this fits in. And Nick Gage
Speaker 1: is sort of you know, a hot get so bring
Speaker 1: him in. But Tyler, Yeah, I mean it's a uh
Speaker 1: there's a potential that this goes too far. Next week.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I would say not not a shameless
Speaker 3: plug for GCW, but you know he's he's going to
Speaker 3: getst Mac Coardona this Saturday, Nick Age is and I
Speaker 3: would say, you know, if you're not watching that show,
Speaker 3: you can easily follow what's going on Twitter. I would
Speaker 3: say the level of violence of that match is going
Speaker 3: to be, you know, more than we see on Wednesday
Speaker 3: Dynamite is just because they're going to be you know,
Speaker 3: there's not gonna be light tubes on Dynamite. I can
Speaker 3: almost guarantee that if there is, I'd be absolutely shocked.
Speaker 3: But I would say Cardona has basically asked for certain
Speaker 3: things not to be part of it, that the pizza
Speaker 3: cutter and things like that. So I would say the
Speaker 3: level of violence of that match is a good barometer
Speaker 3: of like, Okay, how much of a work or is
Speaker 3: this guy? How much of a shoot is this thing going? So,
Speaker 3: you know, I tend to lean that that gauge is
Speaker 3: a professional. It doesn't appear to be the way if
Speaker 3: you look at the documentaries things like that, but I
Speaker 3: think there are certain things, you know, bond the scenes.
Speaker 3: You know, I just think if there's there's implements that
Speaker 3: are used, like yeah, kindowstick, tables, chairs, all the stuff,
Speaker 3: he's going to go as hard as he possibly can
Speaker 3: on Jericho, and that's known. But I don't think he's
Speaker 3: gonna pull out a pizza cutter and slice Jerika's neck
Speaker 3: open or anything crazy like that. So I do think
Speaker 3: that's a low bar.
Speaker 1: But yes, I agree.
Speaker 2: I hope you're right, Tyler.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so, oh yeah's totally thing with them. But uh yeah,
Speaker 3: so I just think it'll be extremely violent, more violent
Speaker 3: than this. But I think Jericho and Engaged kind of
Speaker 3: know the limit of it. And there's there's certain things
Speaker 3: that I think Gage will will respect. But yeah, you
Speaker 3: to your overall point, yes, this is going to be
Speaker 3: more violent than this week. That's why I was surprised
Speaker 3: by Waye's opening comments here because I don't think you'll
Speaker 3: be saying the same thing next week, if I had
Speaker 3: to guess. And I do think for people that aren't me,
Speaker 3: which I'm very cognizant of, you know that it almost
Speaker 3: you know, it's a big match, but something like that
Speaker 3: almost needs to be like a special thing you watch
Speaker 3: on you you buy on pay per view to experience,
Speaker 3: and that's on you. But yeah, we'll see where they go.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I do think the majority of the idens
Speaker 3: if you want to grow it and grow and grow it.
Speaker 3: I don't think this type of match every week is
Speaker 3: a positive.
Speaker 1: I think I think there's going to be a temptation
Speaker 1: with the crab response and Tony's own you know, declivities
Speaker 1: towards this kind of thing, to overdo it. And I
Speaker 1: think it's important to go. This is good, but it's
Speaker 1: like ice cream. It's not breakfast, lunch, dinner, seven nights
Speaker 1: a week, like, let's spread this out and we'll see,
Speaker 1: you know what, Again, it's two weeks in a row,
Speaker 1: three weeks in a row, I mean, especially this tonight
Speaker 1: and next week, I think it's it's time to take
Speaker 1: a month away, you know, or longer from weapons causing bleeding.
Speaker 1: With the level of apparatus violence that we saw tonight
Speaker 1: and we'll surely see next week, unless there's some sort
Speaker 1: of sweerver, you know, they do something different than we
Speaker 1: saw tonight, and maybe they's something. You know, I don't
Speaker 1: think you bring nick Age in and don't deliver his
Speaker 1: brand a violence, but it's Jericho, and you know, he
Speaker 1: might want to put his own spin on things, like
Speaker 1: maybe he gets a wall to Jericho on him, like
Speaker 1: ten seconds of match, just hold it like for ten
Speaker 1: minutes and nick a just taps out and then he's
Speaker 1: the king of hardcore.
Speaker 2: I don't know, all right, chrisying.
Speaker 7: Action wriker, I don't know good Like did aw look
Speaker 7: at Jimmy Usso winning a title after the arrest and
Speaker 7: just go, oh yeah, hold my beer that you shouldn't
Speaker 7: have been drinking like just I don't get you bring
Speaker 7: in a convicted bank robber instead. I don't know anyway.
Speaker 7: I want to agree with Nick, which apparently we do
Speaker 7: quite a lot with his his praise of bringing in
Speaker 7: Chava for Andrade. I think you need Chava is highly
Speaker 7: underrated in terms of what he can do. He's acceptable
Speaker 7: on the mic, He's got a character that people believe in,
Speaker 7: people know who he is, but he's not going to
Speaker 7: steal the show. He's not going to be somebody who
Speaker 7: takes the spotlight away from Andrade. He also speaks English perfectly,
Speaker 7: which is huge because Andrede obviously doesn't. So I think
Speaker 7: that's going to be an underrated decision, is bringing him in.
Speaker 7: And I really like the fit there, and it also
Speaker 7: does get them away from from Vicky the worry that
Speaker 7: I have. And this it's a weird one that just
Speaker 7: came to my mind. But is it possible to listen
Speaker 7: to the fans too much. I've noticed that Tony Kahan
Speaker 7: likes to listen to what's being said online and on
Speaker 7: excellent podcasts on PW Torch, and just he changes things
Speaker 7: really quickly, and they just so happened to match suggestions
Speaker 7: that have been made on the Wade Keller Pro Wrestling
Speaker 7: post show. And I'm just thinking, right, there's a possibility.
Speaker 7: We know WWE doesn't do it at all, but it's
Speaker 7: starting to seem like maybe AEW is doing it too
Speaker 7: much that they're they're lurching from one fan suggestion to another.
Speaker 7: And there's a reason that people like me don't own
Speaker 7: wrestling promotions is because we're not good enough at it.
Speaker 7: And if he keeps on just changing things like, Okay,
Speaker 7: the Vicky Guerrera thing work, But if he keeps making
Speaker 7: all these changes because the fans online want it, he's
Speaker 7: missing the fact that the vocal minority aren't the ones
Speaker 7: that he needs to be selling to.
Speaker 2: I think you have to go case by case.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think if if somebody says makes an
Speaker 1: argument not against something, but against something with the reasons
Speaker 1: behind it, and you think to yourself.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I went with that because of that.
Speaker 1: But that's a good point and it matches up with
Speaker 1: the crowd reaction and my own judgment of how this
Speaker 1: is playing out. Let me call an audible.
Speaker 2: I mean more, I give him.
Speaker 1: Credit for that. If he's like, well, I like it,
Speaker 1: I believe in it, and I think all these people
Speaker 1: are wrong. But because they're saying it, I'm going to
Speaker 1: pull the plug on it. That's not good. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's got to go with his own judgment. But if
Speaker 1: he is, if he's willing to adjust and admit to
Speaker 1: himself or not admit but deny it but still make
Speaker 1: changes however he wants to rationalize it, if he adjusts
Speaker 1: on the fly, I mean, that is going to save
Speaker 1: him a lot of money and it's going to serve fans. Well.
Speaker 2: I don't think you should react to a thread.
Speaker 1: On Twitter, you know of you know, four people just
Speaker 1: get under your skin and now to spite them or
Speaker 1: to listen to them or whatever, you overreact. I think
Speaker 1: you can overcorrect based on a really small sample size.
Speaker 1: So to me, it should be you know, an argument
Speaker 1: that's artfully stated, like every single one on this show,
Speaker 1: or or or because even in your mind you kind
Speaker 1: of doubted it and you weren't sure if it was
Speaker 1: gonna work, and some opinion sort of then tips the
Speaker 1: scale towards okay, let's adjust this was a risky move.
Speaker 1: I kind of feared it might not work or or
Speaker 1: I didn't see it coming. I thought there would be
Speaker 1: chemistry and there wasn't. Like so good, that's that's good.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, I think I would give advice
Speaker 1: to any promoter and any person on earth, you know,
Speaker 1: spend less time, especially your public figure. Spend less time
Speaker 1: worrying about a couple dozen people who are really loud
Speaker 1: and sometimes trolls and are insincere telling you things just
Speaker 1: because it makes their day if they get a reaction
Speaker 1: out of you, Like I would, you know, separate yourself
Speaker 1: from that and go for a go for a walk
Speaker 1: or a jog instead, and and you know, just do
Speaker 1: what you do and confident in it, and have some
Speaker 1: trust to people who are actual people, actually people you know,
Speaker 1: with credentials to give you the feedback. And I, you know,
Speaker 1: I hope Tony. I think Tony's surrounded by smart people
Speaker 1: and listens to people he trusts when it comes to
Speaker 1: changes he makes. Tyler you're not on all that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I kind of have a two pronged approach. I think
Speaker 3: first that wrestling and professional wrestling on television is such
Speaker 3: a unique beast that it is something that is on
Speaker 3: TV week to week and you can you can change
Speaker 3: it on the fly that you can't do with a
Speaker 3: you know, a scripted television show. You know, for example,
Speaker 3: Loki was a very popular show on Disney Plus, and
Speaker 3: you know that show was written and filmed months ago.
Speaker 3: And if you're the showrunner for that show and it's
Speaker 3: the recap for episode three and some some reporter has
Speaker 3: a great point, you're like, oh my god, I wish
Speaker 3: I would have known that I was switching it because
Speaker 3: I think that's a great point. And you know, it's
Speaker 3: just wrestling is unique where you could take good points
Speaker 3: for people that you trust. And I'm not saying that's
Speaker 3: what happens, but you know, if there's good ideas out
Speaker 3: there and they're free out in the ether, there's no
Speaker 3: reason not to implement them to make your product better.
Speaker 3: Is you know, I think it's just smart business if
Speaker 3: it's someone that you trust and you know, and you
Speaker 3: also think it's a good idea. If you're the business
Speaker 3: owner or the promoter. And then two, you know, Tony still,
Speaker 3: you know, knew at this, and he you know, admittedly
Speaker 3: was a fan and was a hardcore fan and had
Speaker 3: lots of subscriptions to the sites out there, and you know,
Speaker 3: he hasn't hit the ten thousand hours or the three
Speaker 3: years or whatever number you need to be an expert
Speaker 3: in something. You know, I think in you know, five
Speaker 3: years from now, I don't know if he'd be as
Speaker 3: inclined just because as a human being to be open
Speaker 3: to as many suggestions and change on the fly. As
Speaker 3: as humans get older, we get more aggressive towards change.
Speaker 3: So I think he's just in a perfect point of
Speaker 3: his life to take feedback and he's just you know,
Speaker 3: in that zone right now. And I'd be surprised if
Speaker 3: me as open to it down the road. So it
Speaker 3: is kind of my two pronged approach to that for
Speaker 3: that situation, and pessimistic, but pref the.
Speaker 2: Fair assessment of human nature. Yeah, Chris, anything.
Speaker 7: Else for us, just a couple of quick hitters. The
Speaker 7: Unwanted Female Canine reference streak is up to ninety five weeks,
Speaker 7: as jay I did it during the entrance for the
Speaker 7: Britt Baker match, and I think, wait, I'm surprised you
Speaker 7: haven't mentioned this before. It is set foot in the ring,
Speaker 7: not stepped foot in the ring. Oh yeah, people need
Speaker 7: to stop saying stepped foot.
Speaker 1: Okay, you know I I every year I vowed to
Speaker 1: be less annoyed by things that people get wrong, you know,
Speaker 1: and now you've just added something to my list that
Speaker 1: wasn't on my radar. So thanks so well. Now'll be
Speaker 1: tortured by something new.
Speaker 7: Until one of the many services.
Speaker 1: Yes absolutely, U. Yeah, I'm I'm letting that. I'm letting
Speaker 1: that settle into my brain here or is this it
Speaker 1: set in my brain? Oh? No, thanks Chris, no worries.
Speaker 7: Thanks guys ever, good evenings.
Speaker 1: Yeah, take care.
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Speaker 1: All right, Well, go to Brian to Boston and then
Speaker 1: probably wrap up there with Javier with Summer on Table Discussion.
Speaker 2: Brian, welcome back, which you think it out of my tonight?
Speaker 8: Hey guys, I hope you're having a good night. I
Speaker 8: thought I thought Dynamite overall was pretty good. The main
Speaker 8: I have a couple of minor points, but I'll get
Speaker 8: to the big major point and wanted to get to first.
Speaker 8: The britt Baker is Britt Baker is probably my favorite
Speaker 8: wrestler in all of the w The Britt Baker and
Speaker 8: Island Rose match was actually really good. I mean I
Speaker 8: wouldn't quite give it four stars out of five, but
Speaker 8: maybe like three point five three point seventy five. That
Speaker 8: was a really good match, and I was glad to
Speaker 8: see her get the win. It was good for what
Speaker 8: it was. But my concern a little bit, I mean,
Speaker 8: is what they're going to do next for her and afterwards,
Speaker 8: because I'm assuming they're going to have her in a
Speaker 8: fairly long title reign. I mean, the obvious play I
Speaker 8: think for all out would be for her to face
Speaker 8: thunder Rosa. You know, but I'm less certain about that
Speaker 8: because thunder Rosa got her ass kicked badly by Dianna
Speaker 8: Parosso It's Slamniversary, so that kind of lowers are stock
Speaker 8: a little bit in my mind. But you know, I mean,
Speaker 8: after Nyla Rose and maybe thunder Rosa, if they decide
Speaker 8: to go in that direction, I mean, who else is
Speaker 8: there for her to feud with? I mean, Jade Cargill no.
Speaker 8: I mean, you could go to the root of ty Konti,
Speaker 8: but that's.
Speaker 12: Not really.
Speaker 8: I mean, and Syria Deed doesn't really have much personality,
Speaker 8: to be honest, or at least she hasn't been given
Speaker 8: enough for it. I mean, you could do Red Velvet
Speaker 8: as a few, but I don't think she's quite ready
Speaker 8: for that yet. So I'm just wondering who who they're
Speaker 8: going to have her feud with after, you know, if
Speaker 8: they go to the obvious route with thunder Rosa. I mean,
Speaker 8: I mean I had my own thoughts on the subject,
Speaker 8: but I've already talked about that, so I kind of
Speaker 8: wanted to shift gears a little bit on that. You know,
Speaker 8: they they have these working partnerships with Impact and nw A.
Speaker 8: Maybe they should probably try to lean more on that.
Speaker 8: I mean, the Camille I believe that's her name, that
Speaker 8: new nw A Lendon's champion. I've heard good things about her,
Speaker 8: and I mean, you know that there's a lot of
Speaker 8: other female wrestlers that Impact. He could use Rosemary Havoc,
Speaker 8: I mean, Deanna Parrazzo. That match has been teased. I
Speaker 8: just think Aw's got to look for something. I mean,
Speaker 8: they've been doing enough shopping around on the male wrestler
Speaker 8: bid with you know, Daniel Bryant potentially now CM punk.
Speaker 8: They got to find women. I know there's not many
Speaker 8: of them, you know, because WWE snapped up all of them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Bran, let me let me, let me jump in. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I want to jump in and get Tyler thoughts on
Speaker 1: because Jason, Paul and I talked about that on the
Speaker 1: flag Ship yesterday. You know that the I was a
Speaker 1: little more down on the depth chart of the established
Speaker 1: characters who can wrestle and be credible heal opponents, especially
Speaker 1: as Jason pointed out, for for Britt Baker, she goes babyface. Tyler,
Speaker 1: give give your assessment of things. Brant ran down a
Speaker 1: lot of names in a W and elsewhere.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would agree. I think that the signed Exclusive
Speaker 3: AW women roster is you know, pretty pretty short. I
Speaker 3: mean we've had the same like six women kind of
Speaker 3: in the same spot. If they're not a you know,
Speaker 3: like someone from n W, A like Kinder Rossostrenad someone
Speaker 3: like that. So you know, I think I think the
Speaker 3: easiest course of action is you know, what you allude
Speaker 3: to is signing talent, and you know there's you know,
Speaker 3: I don't know whether they're available, but you know Ruby
Speaker 3: Ryo whatever her name is going to be, or you
Speaker 3: know the Iconics, both of them, whatever their names are
Speaker 3: going to be, as as they're on the another kind.
Speaker 3: But you know, something like that some star parer from
Speaker 3: the outside that WWE is released and have that be
Speaker 3: a big time match for Britt Baker. But you know,
Speaker 3: I think the top you know, sixth women that we've
Speaker 3: seen and discussed here minus you know Shida, it is
Speaker 3: just kind of stale and overdone because all those matches
Speaker 3: have been overbooked over the last couple of years because
Speaker 3: that's all they had. And getting you know, fresh matches
Speaker 3: from other companies is great. You just kind of know
Speaker 3: the result when you have some impact that's not a
Speaker 3: champion going against your champion, you know that that match
Speaker 3: is kind of established. So I think getting big signings
Speaker 3: as big as you can get within the women's division
Speaker 3: and putting some resources behind that. You know, the division
Speaker 3: has improved, but you can always make it better. And
Speaker 3: if there's someone out there you can sign that is
Speaker 3: going to give good quality matches like a Ruby Riot,
Speaker 3: I think that's the way to go to get a
Speaker 3: big match.
Speaker 1: Bryant another topic for us.
Speaker 8: Ruby Riot would be a decent signing, but I'm not
Speaker 8: as high on her as you are. I mean, she
Speaker 8: maybe that's because the WWE thing just to find her down,
Speaker 8: but I mean she'd be a solid signing, but not
Speaker 8: someone I would want really headlining at pay per view.
Speaker 8: I mean the I mean, there's an obvious choice out
Speaker 8: there for like the top one that I don't think
Speaker 8: I need to say whose name that is. But you know,
Speaker 8: there's a lot of baggage there and you really and
Speaker 8: you really have to you really have to get something
Speaker 8: in writing, you know, to say if you screw up,
Speaker 8: I can fire your ass, you know that sort of thing.
Speaker 8: So I mean, I I do tend to think that
Speaker 8: signing will happen at some point, but you know, if
Speaker 8: I'm Tony Kahn, You've got to be extremely careful with
Speaker 8: how that was handled.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I.
Speaker 8: Mean Ruby Riot. I mean, there's just not a whole
Speaker 8: lot out there as far as women are concerned, you know,
Speaker 8: as far as free agents, and I mean Ruby Riot's
Speaker 8: probably the cream of the crop, even though she doesn't
Speaker 8: excite me at all. But as far as another topic
Speaker 8: is concerned, the main event was good, although personally I
Speaker 8: thought the women's title match should have been the main event.
Speaker 8: But it was nice to see, uh, it was nice
Speaker 8: to see Lance Archer get a win he was about
Speaker 8: to do for that. I was actually kind of hoping
Speaker 8: to see Ethan Page tonight, you know, maybe make an
Speaker 8: appearance after the Darby Allen match or something. But you know,
Speaker 8: I don't think this show was It was good, but
Speaker 8: I don't think it was quite as good as it
Speaker 8: was last week, with the exception of the Britt Baker match,
Speaker 8: So I mean, there wasn't a whole lot that. Yeah,
Speaker 8: I mean, the the Andrade uh that triangle thing was
Speaker 8: pretty good. But yeah, my my main concern is, you know,
Speaker 8: are they like booking too much too soon? And you know,
Speaker 8: I my main concern is, you know, you got to
Speaker 8: shore up that women's division. You got to do something
Speaker 8: if that all right? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Cool? Yep, I know, And I think you know, the
Speaker 1: idea and we've heard it from a few callers of
Speaker 1: you know, how does this compare to last week's show.
Speaker 1: I'm hesitant to do that as a rule all the time,
Speaker 1: because you can get yourself into trouble, Tyler, if your
Speaker 1: goal is how do I make this we show better
Speaker 1: than last week's. What I want to see is aw
Speaker 1: just get in a groove, get in a lane, and
Speaker 1: have not this wild variance. But know who they are,
Speaker 1: and I mean here, they're booking a couple of weeks ahead,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean we got you know, Cody and
Speaker 1: Malachi Black. They're advertising that for a couple of weeks out.
Speaker 1: They've got a full line up for next week's show.
Speaker 1: There was there were no Young Bucks tonight. There was
Speaker 1: no Cody in person. There's no Malachi Black there. They
Speaker 1: have depth to not over expose their stars. So some
Speaker 1: shows are going to have more things that somebody likes
Speaker 1: than others, but they know who they are and they do.
Speaker 1: You want that a small standard deviation, especially downward. Every
Speaker 1: once in a while you have just a kick ass,
Speaker 1: amazing show due to variety of you know, angles and
Speaker 1: promos and matches that just click and all that. But
Speaker 1: what you want is a hot crowd and have you know,
Speaker 1: around half of your top guys and around half of
Speaker 1: your mid carters on you know, each show in some
Speaker 1: form or fashion, but keep everyone else fresh by not
Speaker 1: over exposing them. So I stand back a little more
Speaker 1: and go all right, is this a good show within
Speaker 1: the realm and standard deviation of what they're doing now
Speaker 1: and other major concerns or flaws or bad habits on
Speaker 1: this show or are things moving in the right direction?
Speaker 1: And so my assessment is like yes, I mean even
Speaker 1: I'd have to sit down and scroll through both, you know,
Speaker 1: shows to kind of remind myself, and I could grade
Speaker 1: and go, well, this was a you know, eighty seven
Speaker 1: out of one hundred. In last week was a eighty
Speaker 1: nine out of one hundred or something or you know whatever.
Speaker 1: But I don't think that should be I think Tony
Speaker 1: Kank get in trouble trying to just one up himself
Speaker 1: each week. And I don't think a good show with
Speaker 1: a hot crowd should be it should be framed negatively.
Speaker 1: If last week was a slightly hotter show with a
Speaker 1: slightly hotter crowd, that also played more to what your
Speaker 1: preferences are in wrestling. So that's kind of my take
Speaker 1: on something Brian said, but also what a couple other
Speaker 1: callers had said about this week compared to last week.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree, and you know, I think, you know,
Speaker 3: you want to have some metric that you're going by,
Speaker 3: either something that's that's subjective or objective. But you know,
Speaker 3: if if I were Tony, I would say, you know,
Speaker 3: did do we have the best wrestling show on national
Speaker 3: television this week? That probably be a small goal, the
Speaker 3: sort of hand goal to be like, Okay, I have
Speaker 3: a guest Tyler.
Speaker 1: I think Tony thinks his show is always the best
Speaker 1: show on cable television.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so yeah, there you go. That's a good, good
Speaker 3: bench work to hit every week for him. Then I
Speaker 3: would say so, But yeah, beyond that, you don't want
Speaker 3: to you know, if you do that, then you're going
Speaker 3: to have you know, you'll have a you'll have Daniel
Speaker 3: Brian come in and attack q T. Marshall just to
Speaker 3: have a hot show instead of saving that for the
Speaker 3: right moment that I'm going to be remembered long term.
Speaker 3: And yeah, so you know, I think, like what you say,
Speaker 3: just the show consistent, is it relatively hot? Is it
Speaker 3: you know, is it just going in the right direction?
Speaker 3: Like you said, I mean, it's it's such a subjective thing,
Speaker 3: like I said, pro wrestling so weird that you know,
Speaker 3: you just kind of know or you don't know if
Speaker 3: a show is on the right trajector or not the
Speaker 3: right trajectory. You know, before AW, it was the debate
Speaker 3: of hey, is ROW better or SmackDown better? And you know,
Speaker 3: it kind of goes that way for six months and
Speaker 3: then kind of flip all of a sudden, you're like, oh,
Speaker 3: this is actually the better show now. And that's kind
Speaker 3: of how I feel when I judge shows like with AW.
Speaker 3: You know, it's been a long run here where it's
Speaker 3: consistently been the better show, and they've been good week
Speaker 3: in and week out. A very rough subjective view, but yeah,
Speaker 3: if you can be a week to week, it's a
Speaker 3: dubious thing because I can't tell you if this show
Speaker 3: is better than six weeks ago, but I can probably
Speaker 3: tell you it was Gorden last week, and that probably
Speaker 3: proves that that's kind of a losing debate within your
Speaker 3: own head that doesn't really matter for the quality of
Speaker 3: the show.
Speaker 1: Any guests on Tony Kahn's announcement next week big annuncement
Speaker 1: about a future event.
Speaker 3: It's probably some sort of it's either their first stadium
Speaker 3: show sometime in next spring or summer, so they've booked,
Speaker 3: or at some sort of cool venue like Arthur Ash.
Speaker 1: I would imagine I'm thinking it's going to be a
Speaker 1: UK based pay per view. To me that I think
Speaker 1: that's I mean, I know it's been talked about, but
Speaker 1: telling that to your national audience, that seems like that'd
Speaker 1: bring Tony Kahan you know, into the ring or you know,
Speaker 1: on camera for a rare dynamite appearance.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's good call.
Speaker 13: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: how's it going.
Speaker 6: I couldn't even hear that.
Speaker 14: I couldn't even hear that. Hey wait, Sage, here's it going.
Speaker 1: Well, let's let's try it again here, Let's.
Speaker 3: See okay, there there?
Speaker 1: All right?
Speaker 10: Yeah, it broke up.
Speaker 14: I had like one note and death and then one note.
Speaker 14: It was like probably connection issues.
Speaker 2: Uh the uh?
Speaker 14: The podcast isn't being brought by it brought to us
Speaker 14: by Peacock, is it?
Speaker 1: No? No?
Speaker 14: No, because that would have cleaned some of the technicals
Speaker 14: things that we've had.
Speaker 7: In the path.
Speaker 5: Yes, uh the uh.
Speaker 14: I thought it was a good show. I enjoyed it.
Speaker 14: They did more on that Texas Death Match that I
Speaker 14: thought they were going to going to.
Speaker 8: Uh, since this.
Speaker 14: Would be for the IWGB Championship, I US Championship, I
Speaker 14: did not think that they're gonna go you know, do
Speaker 14: as much as they did. I do have to say
Speaker 14: they did say this was held by New Japan rules.
Speaker 14: New Japan's a twenty count, not a ten count. Moxley
Speaker 14: should still be champions.
Speaker 1: Well, it is our Texas death match. New Japan has
Speaker 1: a twenty count and a regular match. But if you're
Speaker 1: in Texas and it's a Texas death match, does that
Speaker 1: over does that override the New Japan twenty count?
Speaker 14: I mean, do death matches even have counts on the outside.
Speaker 3: In does New Japan match have a either knockout or submission?
Speaker 3: That was also a weird stipulation. I thought for a
Speaker 3: new Japan style match.
Speaker 1: I think you were stuck to Barberie where the match
Speaker 1: should be over. I don't care what country you're in,
Speaker 1: uh so.
Speaker 14: The Mercy world, the.
Speaker 5: Don Uh.
Speaker 14: But but outside of a little uh niggling uh problems
Speaker 14: with with those rules, I thought it was I thought
Speaker 14: it was well done. I'm mildly concerned that Hickeleo is
Speaker 14: the next one up.
Speaker 8: Uh.
Speaker 14: Hickeleos a very young wrestler. He had I'm strong he
Speaker 14: hasn't really done anything to really Uh. He had one
Speaker 14: really good match.
Speaker 10: With Fred Rosser.
Speaker 14: But outside of well, one and one atrocious match that
Speaker 14: I hated.
Speaker 10: Uh.
Speaker 6: But outside of that.
Speaker 14: You know, uh, it is interesting to see him be
Speaker 14: the next challenger for for Archer or the first challenger
Speaker 14: for Archer.
Speaker 1: What what do you think the point of that is?
Speaker 8: No, who.
Speaker 14: I mean? I think it would be a good test
Speaker 14: for him, for for for Forkla, it will be a
Speaker 14: good test for him. It's just because he's I don't know,
Speaker 14: it's just like he hasn't really done anything. But maybe
Speaker 14: even front of a big crowd like this, we'll see
Speaker 14: what what you know, what it is and I think
Speaker 14: it's just basically gets particularly a more experience. He's technically
Speaker 14: should be an excursion right now because he did graduate
Speaker 14: from Young Lion status, so it's it'd be a good
Speaker 14: and you know, a good a good test. It's all
Speaker 14: kind of but you know, from someone who's watching Strong,
Speaker 14: it kind of feels weird that, oh, he's already getting
Speaker 14: you know, a shot at you know, an i w
Speaker 14: GP title already, but you know it's I think it
Speaker 14: depends on how the match turns out next next.
Speaker 3: Week, I think right next week.
Speaker 14: Yeah, so I am interested to see what he does.
Speaker 3: But it is there anyways, like an olive bration to
Speaker 3: get Tom a tongue and tongaloa to to have like
Speaker 3: a young Bucks feud and the future point it's some
Speaker 3: sort of olibrations in the family.
Speaker 14: Well, because I was thinking about that because with a
Speaker 14: White showing up on Impact, I actually recorded the New
Speaker 14: Japan Pride podcast today, but I hadn't finished edding, so
Speaker 14: I'm like, let me watch this to see, you know,
Speaker 14: so I could include whatever happens, and obviously a lot happened,
Speaker 14: uh in respect to the UHT the h to a
Speaker 14: New Japan title. Uh, because with the whole j White thing.
Speaker 14: J White had been in New Japan talking about uh,
Speaker 14: well mainly on Impact. Uh Kenny Omega and the Good
Speaker 14: Brothers have been like referencing Bullet Club like that they
Speaker 14: were Bullet Club, and then in New Japan, J White
Speaker 14: had been pushing back on it. I wouldn't be surprised.
Speaker 14: I thought I was gonna have an impact, but I
Speaker 14: would not be surprised if we do get Tama Tonga
Speaker 14: and Tonga Loa in some way shape or form at
Speaker 14: aw SM at some point cool.
Speaker 3: I think that solid match. Yeah, bullet Club story going
Speaker 3: and uh yeah, I think it'd be a good use
Speaker 3: of count.
Speaker 14: And I And the thing is, I feel like this
Speaker 14: has been early because I know there's gonna be a
Speaker 14: New Japan a w and probably with Impact Super Show
Speaker 14: at some point down the road. I was thinking, like
Speaker 14: a year down the road or something, because I'm seeing
Speaker 14: a lot of like pieces being moved, you know, to
Speaker 14: to strengthen that. Uh you don't think that that might
Speaker 14: be what he's announcing, like a like a Madison Square
Speaker 14: Garden show for next year, where with New Japan and
Speaker 14: aw Tallent.
Speaker 1: I think that is in the realm of reasonable speculation.
Speaker 2: I'll put it that way.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think we have a better, better authority
Speaker 3: on that. I just don't think a w would need
Speaker 3: them to sell Madison Square Garden at this point. They're
Speaker 3: not They're not Ring of Honor. So I think if
Speaker 3: you're gonna do that kind of show, I think you
Speaker 3: do that like next summer in you know, at MetLife
Speaker 3: Stadium or you know, Soldier Field Older or somewhere like that.
Speaker 3: I think I think you go all out and do
Speaker 3: a huge stadium show and prove that you can do
Speaker 3: it and maybe you had your bets with with talent
Speaker 3: from from New Japan and elsewhere and have a super show.
Speaker 3: But uh but yeah, maybe you know, I think.
Speaker 14: Is negotiatable.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean I think that's it's always. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think if it's open to it, and that's like
Speaker 3: you know a fantasy you know, fantasy match factory. Basically,
Speaker 3: it should always if it's possible, it should always be
Speaker 3: looked upon as a as an option.
Speaker 14: And the did they mention before I bring this up
Speaker 14: in case I missed it? Did they mention Kenny Omega's
Speaker 14: defense of the Impact World title at all?
Speaker 1: It's so weird. It's it's it's it's like NXT and B.
Speaker 1: That's just a there's not a consistent, you know, rule
Speaker 1: that you can explain in terms of what does and
Speaker 1: doesn't get acknowledged.
Speaker 14: Yeah, that upsets me more than because I don't need
Speaker 14: them to constantly be talking about oh, he's also impact
Speaker 14: titled the championcause I have heard some people you know,
Speaker 14: talk about that at everything, you know, them referring everything
Speaker 14: he's doing an impact. But he did defend the title
Speaker 14: against Sammy Callahan, one of their top guys, in a
Speaker 14: you know, brutal hardcore match, some of the one we
Speaker 14: ended up getting to Night with a too. You know,
Speaker 14: two times in one week where I saw someone get
Speaker 14: stabbed in the face with a fork uh uh and
Speaker 14: uh and and even pizza cutter uh in the Kenny
Speaker 14: Omega match, and you would think, you know, and you know,
Speaker 14: if you're following the Kenny Omega character and you're a
Speaker 14: Kenny Omega fan, you're following him from promotion and promotion.
Speaker 14: I mean, I don't need them to say, like describe
Speaker 14: what happened in the match, but at least the line saying,
Speaker 14: you know, uh, he's beat up because of you know,
Speaker 14: he did defend the title last week, and it feeds
Speaker 14: into the narrative of he's busy and he's doing a
Speaker 14: lot of other things. He goes, oh, he just defended
Speaker 14: one of his silence this week, and you don't even
Speaker 14: need to call impact by naw. Yeah, but at the
Speaker 14: very least, like, you know, yeah, do something to support
Speaker 14: the people who are following the Keny of Mega story
Speaker 14: and are following the Kenye to make a brand is
Speaker 14: supposed necessarily the aw and Impact grant. So yeah, that
Speaker 14: that kind of you know, rub me a bit the
Speaker 14: wrong way.
Speaker 1: I'm with you on that. I'd like to see, like
Speaker 1: you said, there's a happy medium between whatever Tony's avoiding
Speaker 1: for whatever reason and and just what they did tonight,
Speaker 1: you know, and and you know, just an allusion to
Speaker 1: it is is enough. So it seems like it's it's
Speaker 1: you know, as we say, cannon, you know, And I
Speaker 1: think an otomy.
Speaker 3: If I was a premier restor account, I would prefer
Speaker 3: to talk about another company before I let my top
Speaker 3: guy wrestle at twenty eight minute hardcore match. I think
Speaker 3: one of you know, those two options, I'd rather just
Speaker 3: say impact once for for thirty seconds as opposed to
Speaker 3: lend my guy who potentially get injured. That is, uh
Speaker 3: would cause major problems with an ongoing storyline if he
Speaker 3: got injured. So it's it's supremely odd to me.
Speaker 14: Yeah.
Speaker 15: The the other thing I have the one thing about
Speaker 15: Tony Condam notices that he he tends to strike while
Speaker 15: Aaron is hot, because like, all of a sudden, you know, you're.
Speaker 14: Hearing Nick Gay's uh, you know name out there because
Speaker 14: of the documentary and stuff, and you know, I was thinking,
Speaker 14: I wouldn't be surprised if he like a couple of
Speaker 14: weeks ago, I wouldn't be surprised if if Tony Conan
Speaker 14: didn't like at least do something with him. And then
Speaker 14: they dropped his name, and then all of a sudden
Speaker 14: he's on on the show, and I'm like, you know,
Speaker 14: I'm surprised.
Speaker 1: And I.
Speaker 14: I don't know, I was thinking that with all the
Speaker 14: talk about, oh man, this matches, you know, grantually brutal,
Speaker 14: its gonna be, you know whatever, I wouldn't be surprised
Speaker 14: if you have a straight up psychologically found wrestling mask
Speaker 14: and then M Jeff come out all angry and it's
Speaker 14: and then nick Case says, Oh, it's because I respect him,
Speaker 14: but I don't respect you, and then unleash just some
Speaker 14: of the you know, hardcore stuff onto m JF that
Speaker 14: sort of thing, so that people still get something of
Speaker 14: what they expect from Nick Cage, but it's on MJF
Speaker 14: and that Jericho in.
Speaker 3: That h So like the Nick Kay's character, he's all
Speaker 3: about getting paid, getting money, So that would work if
Speaker 3: he was like a mercenary role. I think that would
Speaker 3: be supremely funny. I would be I would be all
Speaker 3: for that story.
Speaker 1: I would I've not ruled that out. I'm chuckling at
Speaker 1: at the concept of it. But I also I think
Speaker 1: there's a chance that there is a curveball come in
Speaker 1: our way as far as that goes as opposed to,
Speaker 1: you know, just the painmaker getting getting down and dirty
Speaker 1: like Sammy Callahan.
Speaker 14: And and and and stay on Jericho. One of the
Speaker 14: things that you meant you mentioned earlier on the on
Speaker 14: the call uh Way, you mentioned that that Jericho is
Speaker 14: having like one of the best runs of his career
Speaker 14: and the best reactions career. What I found amazing is
Speaker 14: that he is imagine what he could have been if
Speaker 14: he didn't have two companies working at cross purposes against.
Speaker 1: Him, I know, I mean in a way that made
Speaker 1: him who he is. You know what I was sort
Speaker 1: of cliche. You know, I am who I am because
Speaker 1: of all the hardships I've been through. But I don't
Speaker 1: know that he is as good as he is at
Speaker 1: this age, doing what he does the way that he
Speaker 1: does it. If his journey wasn't his journey, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. So that doesn't mean but hey, would
Speaker 1: you trade him being a bit you know, a I
Speaker 1: don't know, Like I think the legend of Jericho has
Speaker 1: has meshed well with his ring IQ and his immense
Speaker 1: ego is immense drive that's based on his you know,
Speaker 1: his ego and it famous people need to have an
Speaker 1: ego to bother with all the crap that comes with
Speaker 1: being famous. You know, money is money doesn't bring you happiness,
Speaker 1: but you know, fame can satisfy an ego and then
Speaker 1: money comes along with it. I think all that came,
Speaker 1: you know, all that has come together to make him
Speaker 1: who he is. And I think if his you know,
Speaker 1: best friend was a promoter and he got booked, you know,
Speaker 1: over pushed and was a centerpiece act and didn't have
Speaker 1: things headwinds working against him. I don't know that at
Speaker 1: age fifty he is who he is. And I don't
Speaker 1: know that he did went and did proved what he
Speaker 1: proved in Japan and took a chance, you know, with
Speaker 1: aw although he was paid well to take that chance.
Speaker 1: So I don't know. I mean, what do you think
Speaker 1: of that, Tyler?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's hard to say, I mean to
Speaker 3: get not to get too philosophical, but like, are any
Speaker 3: of us who we are without the exact path that
Speaker 3: we walked down? So you know, I kind of lean
Speaker 3: more towards you of like, Yeah, if Jericho was you know,
Speaker 3: born a ganya right to bring it home to you, Wade,
Speaker 3: I don't know if he'd be the person that he
Speaker 3: is today versus you know. I mean, not that he
Speaker 3: didn't have advantages. I mean, his dad was a professional
Speaker 3: athlete who's you know, had had good genetics to be
Speaker 3: a professional athlete and just had to drive because he, yeah,
Speaker 3: did not get all those breaks when he got into
Speaker 3: the business. So yeah, I think if he had been
Speaker 3: given lots of opportunities easily, I don't think he'd be
Speaker 3: the person he is today. I think it's pretty easy
Speaker 3: to agree.
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Speaker 16: I don't know, josh Sometimes I think it used to
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Speaker 2: Have you heard anything else you want to?
Speaker 5: Yes?
Speaker 14: The uh? Well, keeping on? You've been saying way. One
Speaker 14: thing that I've picked up you've been saying a lot
Speaker 14: lately on various podcasts and stuff is you've been bringing
Speaker 14: up that it's not about you, and you've been saying
Speaker 14: that phrase a lot, and I love it because it
Speaker 14: goes to show that lately we've been seeing a lot
Speaker 14: more different types of stories and a lot more different
Speaker 14: types of wrestling styles coming to the forefront, and so
Speaker 14: there's more for everybody who has like their own, you know,
Speaker 14: favorite style. So I think that, I mean, that's one
Speaker 14: thing that's been exciting about about wrestling, and like, if
Speaker 14: you don't like what ww' is feeding, you go to AW.
Speaker 14: If you don't like something in AW, then you know
Speaker 14: you have other options.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's I mean, there's nothing wrong with different visions
Speaker 1: for what progress and can be. And the goal is
Speaker 1: it's not about doing just one vision and being angry
Speaker 1: that they're not doing that. It's about whatever choice you make,
Speaker 1: whatever your vision is or your your style, just do
Speaker 1: it well and do it in a way that's respectful
Speaker 1: to the eyes audience and respectful to your wrestlers and
Speaker 1: doesn't feel mean spirited and doesn't feel spiteful.
Speaker 2: But enough about money not raw.
Speaker 14: Uh Yeah, I was, I was thinking about starting with
Speaker 14: a joke about you know, losing Keith Lee losing in
Speaker 14: his hometown and uh booking another champion to lose to
Speaker 14: you know, somebody else that, yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Don't think we had to explain that copy or I
Speaker 1: don't want to give you your time.
Speaker 14: But yeah, no, no, no, no I'm saying no, I'm saying
Speaker 14: I was trying to come up with something earlier. But
Speaker 14: you know, it was like there was just such a
Speaker 14: good show, you know. But you know, so the one
Speaker 14: thing that wasn't to that kind of felt a little
Speaker 14: bit like clunky to me was the whole androde uh,
Speaker 14: the androt stuff. Yeah, it seemed like you had more
Speaker 14: to say, but then, you know, because it seemed like
Speaker 14: he was going to say more in English, and then
Speaker 14: that's when he's so over to Spanish. For the most part,
Speaker 14: everything he said in Spanish was either rephrased or repeated
Speaker 14: by somebody else with the with the one exception that
Speaker 14: he did, Androda did say that when I look at
Speaker 14: you two, referring to Penta and and Ray, he did
Speaker 14: say I see two men that are drowning. One of
Speaker 14: the questions that was asked that he asked is, uh,
Speaker 14: you know, why are you working for pack And since uh,
Speaker 14: Daniel formed, that's kind of been asking my question, what
Speaker 14: is it that drives that puts these guys together? Did
Speaker 14: they ever explain that because you know, pack is talking,
Speaker 14: oh you know, he didn't work for me, their family,
Speaker 14: But I've never ever felt that that that that had
Speaker 14: been established.
Speaker 1: I think that's a good point. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: it's it's a little bit of a kapa. But when
Speaker 1: when an act is together long enough and fight side
Speaker 1: by side, eventually that that origin story is probably not
Speaker 1: vital if there's just if it's just sort of you know,
Speaker 1: baked in that they're a group, or it's you know,
Speaker 1: burned into the screen, you know, it's burned into pock
Speaker 1: And and Penton and Phoenix that there's an alliance there.
Speaker 1: And I think if if you don't explain it early on, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I criticize it, but eventually, if they're just
Speaker 1: together a lot for a long time and they fight
Speaker 1: side by side, it sort of just becomes Yeah, it
Speaker 1: just burns into the screen as that's that. That's a thing,
Speaker 1: even if it would have been better to establish why earlier.
Speaker 3: Tyler, Yeah, I agree, it's it's a little bit of
Speaker 3: a cop out, but it was not a big question
Speaker 3: that I had personally, so it doesn't you know, I
Speaker 3: didn't have the same reaction it kind of got the
Speaker 3: then diesel and fast and furious treatment. You know, I
Speaker 3: pack would have held up a corona and said their
Speaker 3: family been all about it. It's basically all the only
Speaker 3: experation we got. So and then on your point with
Speaker 3: the Andro, I got the same feeling too that he
Speaker 3: was going to speak more in English, but the crowd
Speaker 3: kind of got loud, and he I think he pivoted
Speaker 3: to Spanish to kind of regain control. So he didn't
Speaker 3: get not that they were gonna do a what chant
Speaker 3: or something like that, but I felt like he thought
Speaker 3: he was gonna lost lose control, so he switched to
Speaker 3: Spanish and he regained control. And you know, I think
Speaker 3: this is a good litmus test for Andrade, you know,
Speaker 3: in front of a live crowd speaking you know, on
Speaker 3: the mic, which he hasn't done for you know, a
Speaker 3: long time, my n x T days. I guess it would
Speaker 3: be the last time he did that. And I thought
Speaker 3: he Uh, I thought he passed that with flying colors,
Speaker 3: and uh, I think he did a good job pivoting
Speaker 3: and maintaining control. So I thought that was a good sign.
Speaker 1: Haaber, We've got Brian or outside correspondent who just called
Speaker 1: in and standing by, so anything you want to wrap
Speaker 1: up with and then we'll jump over to him.
Speaker 14: Uh, yeah, that's yeah, that's fine. Uh. I just had something,
Speaker 14: but when you said that, it went out of my head.
Speaker 1: So doesn't come back to hoaer Does it come back
Speaker 1: to you if you say it in Spanish? Probably not? Okay?
Speaker 2: All right, you can email mail banks you.
Speaker 6: Have a look for.
Speaker 14: All right, so I'll be able to look at for
Speaker 14: the broadcast should be hopefully it'll be up tomorrow if
Speaker 14: I get out of work early enough to editing.
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to it. No shortage of topics. Thanks
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Speaker 1: go to Brian or onsite correspondent who experienced Dynamite tonight.
Speaker 1: It's been a fun week, Brian, thanks for taking time
Speaker 1: to talk to us. I know it's it's been a
Speaker 1: long and fun night for you.
Speaker 12: Oh it's been amazing, sir.
Speaker 1: So to talk about the crowd tonight?
Speaker 2: Was it was every seat filled?
Speaker 12: No, every seat was not filled, but it was far
Speaker 12: more electric than Monday.
Speaker 1: Yeah? Was there any And We're only going to keep
Speaker 1: you for a couple of minutes because I know you've
Speaker 1: got a lot going up, But was there anything that
Speaker 1: jumped out as the okay? Okay? Was there anything that
Speaker 1: jumped out as the biggest pop of the night or
Speaker 1: did it? Was it just sort of a pick I'm
Speaker 1: among like six or eight.
Speaker 12: Definitely the finish for the whole night was absolutely amazing,
Speaker 12: Like I could not be happier.
Speaker 2: That I was a part of the main event with
Speaker 2: Moxley and Archer.
Speaker 12: Just the end, the whole end.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, what was there anything that didn't seem particularly
Speaker 1: over at some point? Did they? Was there ever a
Speaker 1: point where the crowd just sort of exhaled It was like, well, okay,
Speaker 1: this is fine, We're not super into it, but we
Speaker 1: can catch our breath.
Speaker 12: Danni La Rose, Actually the half the crowd left?
Speaker 3: Oh really the.
Speaker 12: Villain is supposed to be d M d And really, yeah,
Speaker 12: it wasn't half the crowd left.
Speaker 1: Were they into Wheeler Utah like as a face or
Speaker 1: a heel or cheering the action? And then it seemed
Speaker 1: like they really got into the sting Orange Cassidy exchange.
Speaker 12: They really did. There was a love of sheered just
Speaker 12: on the general premise. As far as Orange Cassidy, there
Speaker 12: was a lot of electricity that was actually a really
Speaker 12: good match. It was actually one of the best of
Speaker 12: the night. Yeah, as far as crowd reaction.
Speaker 1: And we just talked about the Andradde segment, Brian and
Speaker 1: the way the fans, not that they hijacked it, but
Speaker 1: that they might have affected the cadence of what Androtti
Speaker 1: was saying. How did that work? Like were because Javo
Speaker 1: got cheered, Androida was acting like a heel and then
Speaker 1: you had obviously Pawk and Penton and Phoenix as as
Speaker 1: babyfaces there. How to talk about the EBB and the
Speaker 1: flow of the crowd response to that roller coaster of Hey,
Speaker 1: it's Javo and then all of a sudden it kind
Speaker 1: of turns into a back and forth with kind of
Speaker 1: a more heel face dynamic.
Speaker 12: Well, you're in Texas, so the Androtti response was kind
Speaker 12: of mediocre. You got Javo and that was a ridiculous response.
Speaker 12: I think we all lost our minds. I didn't expect it.
Speaker 12: I don't know if anybody did taking the I think
Speaker 12: the big deal was at all three of the death Triangle,
Speaker 12: what they are that was kind of a really exciting part.
Speaker 12: The exchange was a little bit, but I think that
Speaker 12: the fact that it was in Texas and you had,
Speaker 12: like the Spanish there was a lot of Spanish speakers there.
Speaker 12: Obviously as a result of being in Texas, you got
Speaker 12: a big pop, more of us probably than we're expected understood,
Speaker 12: so that it wasn't as much of a need now
Speaker 12: probably on TV it probably was, but as much of
Speaker 12: a need to hear live. It wasn't a big deal
Speaker 12: like as far as explaining it, because we had an
Speaker 12: all got the whole idea. But it was really exciting,
Speaker 12: and I will actually say I kind of wish there
Speaker 12: was a bit more interaction and kind of fizzled, that's
Speaker 12: the best way to phrase it, because they kind of
Speaker 12: attacked a ring and then there was just kind of
Speaker 12: a no climax. And that's the best kind of way
Speaker 12: that we were all hyped up, we were all fucking
Speaker 12: excuse me, we were all full of energy, we were
Speaker 12: all powered up, we were all ready to go, and
Speaker 12: it was just kind of like that was kind of
Speaker 12: the end of it. Yeah, yeah, but it kind of
Speaker 12: felt like I missed opportunity.
Speaker 1: Tyler.
Speaker 2: Do you want to jump in with a question?
Speaker 3: Yeah, you said you were present on Monday for RAW.
Speaker 3: Did I hear that correct?
Speaker 5: Yes, sir?
Speaker 3: Okay, So I guess it's kind of a general question,
Speaker 3: but you know, I guess the audience. You know, did
Speaker 3: you feel the audiences were similar or is this more
Speaker 3: of the eighteen to forty nine demographic? You know, were
Speaker 3: the more families at the raw show? And if they were,
Speaker 3: you know, the demographic that was there tonight, I don't know.
Speaker 3: Do you think they were as excited about the product
Speaker 3: on Monday as they were tonight? Or is it just
Speaker 3: like light night and day difference on the excitement.
Speaker 1: What Tyler's asking is you are you the only person
Speaker 1: who went to both shows?
Speaker 12: Well, okay, so my best answer to that question, there
Speaker 12: were families. There were I was actually around quite a
Speaker 12: few children and families, But I will tell you I
Speaker 12: was at both shows, and there was a more impassioned
Speaker 12: feeling tonight, if.
Speaker 3: That makes any sense.
Speaker 12: It kind of seemed like the best way to explain
Speaker 12: this is that we were all trained to do what
Speaker 12: we were supposed to do Monday. Tonight we all got
Speaker 12: to experience what we were really reacting to.
Speaker 1: Interesting.
Speaker 12: Yeah, I mean it was just they they gave us
Speaker 12: reasons to be excited, they gave us reasons to be
Speaker 12: pumped up. They gave us questions, they gave us enthusiasm,
Speaker 12: they gave us adrenaline. Monday was kind of like, Okay,
Speaker 12: we know what's going on. There's John, there's Keith Lee,
Speaker 12: we know the points that we're supposed to get excited.
Speaker 12: Tonight was different. It was we all kind of just
Speaker 12: reacted and there was a lot of reasons to be
Speaker 12: like questions and pumped up and like I was fired up.
Speaker 7: Man.
Speaker 12: By the time the nine event hit, I was full
Speaker 12: a general And that's why I'm losing my voice right now.
Speaker 1: What was it like from a live fan experience, because
Speaker 1: one of the negatives that we hear about wrong SmackDown
Speaker 1: and this goes you know, pre pandemic, is you know,
Speaker 1: the fans are there as props, but there's all this filler,
Speaker 1: you know, the ring entrance and then four minutes of
Speaker 1: just the music fading and a wrestler standing in the dark,
Speaker 1: or they do some sort of content costume contest, or
Speaker 1: it's just there's no flow. This feels like with the
Speaker 1: with the split screen and the flow of the show
Speaker 1: that it almost you might forget you're at a TV show.
Speaker 1: But I don't want to put words in your mouth there.
Speaker 1: You know, talk about the contrast Monday versus Today, and
Speaker 1: that in that respect, that is.
Speaker 12: One hundred was so accurate. Like we sat there and
Speaker 12: watched I think it was shameless, and we watched lash
Speaker 12: Lely in the rain Monday, solid five minutes, just dark,
Speaker 12: like they were just bouncing around staring at the screen.
Speaker 12: It was absolutely That's really actually a very accurate kind
Speaker 12: of a description of what the difference of the experience is.
Speaker 12: Like I had no idea when we were at commercial
Speaker 12: and when we were not tonight, Like there was just
Speaker 12: something going on all the time. Okay, I took that back.
Speaker 12: Just Roberts was like joking with the crowd a little
Speaker 12: bit here and there when it was an obvious commercial
Speaker 12: break or they were prepping. But I mean, there's just
Speaker 12: a there's an energy, And that's the best way I
Speaker 12: can explain it. Like you know you're on TV. You
Speaker 12: know there's a TV show on Monday, and I think
Speaker 12: they did a good job Monday, but I think they
Speaker 12: did a phenomenal job tonight. And that's the best way
Speaker 12: I can probably divide it two. Like I was full
Speaker 12: of energy. I'm full of I've been doing this like
Speaker 12: I'm forty three. I've been doing this since I was seventeen.
Speaker 12: Going to show and tonight I was I'm losing my
Speaker 12: voice talking to you because I was. I was that enthusiastic.
Speaker 12: It was just it was fun. It was a normal
Speaker 12: wrestling show. It was there was a lot to get
Speaker 12: excited about. They did a great job of pumping you up,
Speaker 12: leaving it hanging when they needed to.
Speaker 8: It's a weird It's weird.
Speaker 12: Yeah, because I love both products. But I don't know,
Speaker 12: man Like, if I had to pick one of the
Speaker 12: course of the last three a's, there's definitely one that
Speaker 12: I would put.
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Speaker 3: Tdler anything else you want to ask, Nothing that isn't
Speaker 3: super leading on my end, So I think I'll pass now.
Speaker 1: I'm curious.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was just like, I guess it's more of
Speaker 3: a continuation from my previous question. And you know, I think
Speaker 3: we've all been to w W shows, and you know,
Speaker 3: now everyone's been to the aw show yet. But I guess
Speaker 3: it's more of my continuation of like the families and
Speaker 3: things like that. Is I can assume the answer here,
Speaker 3: But you know, did it feel like the crowd in general,
Speaker 3: not the people you're with, but the people you're around,
Speaker 3: the chance and things like that, they were more engaged
Speaker 3: than maybe AWE crowd. And that's the leading question. I know,
Speaker 3: but you know, we've been there. It seems like a
Speaker 3: lot of people who get tickets because they know it's
Speaker 3: the w W and they don't really know the product.
Speaker 3: And I guess, like in your opinion, was that a
Speaker 3: huge difference in the knowledge of the product on when
Speaker 3: you were there Monday and when you were there tonight
Speaker 3: with the live crowd.
Speaker 12: Well, I think I think she's my interruption. I think
Speaker 12: the knowledge of the product, I think they kind.
Speaker 8: Of see here yourself.
Speaker 12: As far as families, there were families from me both times.
Speaker 12: I was there with a friend, the same friend both times.
Speaker 12: I had a phenomenal time both times, and me and
Speaker 12: my buddy were joking up. And you know, I guess
Speaker 12: after you've done this for a while, you kind of
Speaker 12: partict certain endings. But I can tell you that we
Speaker 12: knew where the finish was on on Monday, and we
Speaker 12: did not. There were a lot of fall finishes. You
Speaker 12: surprised us as fans tonight, and that's I think maybe
Speaker 12: the difference as far as fans and the family aspect. Man,
Speaker 12: there was a girl behind me standing on chairs standing
Speaker 12: her daddy shoulders earlier tonight, and that was not happening
Speaker 12: on Monday. And the rules were a little bit strangely
Speaker 12: more strict tonight, Like you didn't even walk in with anything.
Speaker 12: They didn't want you to have tonight that they did
Speaker 12: a good job of making a good atmosphere. They did
Speaker 12: not tolerate any kind of excess. But it was a
Speaker 12: good family atmosphere in both ironically, probably a little more
Speaker 12: strict than the WW. But I think the best answer
Speaker 12: to the question is I think everybody was. Everybody that
Speaker 12: presented attendance was as enthusiastic as you could ask them
Speaker 12: to be.
Speaker 1: Did Tony conn appear on camera at all tonight, bright
Speaker 1: or I mean not on camera in front of the
Speaker 1: fat ye I missaying that? Yep, So Tom, what do
Speaker 1: you have to say?
Speaker 12: He was really trump for the show. He actually pre showed.
Speaker 12: He told yout Marshal to go back in the back.
Speaker 12: QT was doing the insult the crowd thing and he's
Speaker 12: super awkward. That guy looks like a skater punk and.
Speaker 8: He's super awkward.
Speaker 12: But he came out and he really got everybody pumped
Speaker 12: up for the show. It was about maybe a minute
Speaker 12: and a half before the actual dinament went on air,
Speaker 12: but he got everybody excited. It was the entire crowd
Speaker 12: was chanting Tony, so we all kind of gave him
Speaker 12: some props just for giving us a product, But it
Speaker 12: was exciting. I think it was a little unexpected that
Speaker 12: he did come out. He was on the mic for
Speaker 12: probably three minutes and talking about all the things they
Speaker 12: have coming up, kind of hinted at some reveals that
Speaker 12: maybe we don't know about, which I may or may
Speaker 12: not have an idea what that is. But it was
Speaker 12: really cool. It was he I actually never said, made
Speaker 12: him show his face, and in my opinion, it was
Speaker 12: kind of cooler to see him do it before the
Speaker 12: camera went on than Vince doing it after.
Speaker 1: Yeah, was there anything before or after dynam might that
Speaker 1: you saw that just like noteworthy enough to pass on
Speaker 1: to us here that stood out to.
Speaker 12: You well being alive, I don't notice this got this
Speaker 12: made air? But did and you, maybe a better versen
Speaker 12: asked than me, did the presentation of the belt to
Speaker 12: Lance from John Mox? Did that make air?
Speaker 1: Tyler? Do you remember?
Speaker 3: I don't. I don't think it did. That's yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean that.
Speaker 1: The only reason I hesitate is I was, you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: talk about it because I was, you know, scrambling to
Speaker 1: finish up my report and get set up for the podcast.
Speaker 1: So I was trying to think if I if I,
Speaker 1: you know, noticed it or not, So yeah, talk about it,
Speaker 1: maybe don't.
Speaker 12: Well he was outside the ring obviously, Arthur did his
Speaker 12: celebration and then came in the ring and kind of
Speaker 12: got in the rest face the belt or the title,
Speaker 12: whatever you want to call it. We sit in the
Speaker 12: corner and he went and grabbed it and presented it
Speaker 12: to him. I actually have a photo of it on
Speaker 12: my phone. But it was one of those moments where
Speaker 12: it's like those of us that are like the hardcore
Speaker 12: fans that really were waiting for this moment, like to
Speaker 12: see this rematch. It was like it was a very
Speaker 12: subtle thing. He just handed it to him, kind of
Speaker 12: nodded and rolled out the ring. But it was a
Speaker 12: it was a moment that those of us who really
Speaker 12: appreciate the moment of about you know what, that's how.
Speaker 7: You do that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think MAXI was still stuck to.
Speaker 1: The barbed wire.
Speaker 12: Wasn't a fanfair thing.
Speaker 1: Moxley was still stuck to the barbed wire when they
Speaker 1: went off the air. I'm pretty sure. So we definitely
Speaker 1: didn't see that now that you describe it.
Speaker 12: Yeah, okay, so that was after after air. That was
Speaker 12: a cool moment, Like I guess it was for us
Speaker 12: or for our benefit, but he actually handed him the
Speaker 12: belt kind of nodded and then rolled out the ring,
Speaker 12: and you were like, man, that's that's the kind of
Speaker 12: stuff that we as fans just kind of wait, like
Speaker 12: you don't have to like each other, but respect.
Speaker 3: That's cool.
Speaker 12: And he rolled out and it was really a really
Speaker 12: cool moment.
Speaker 1: Nice.
Speaker 12: It did have to be a big thing. It wasn't
Speaker 12: like we're the best friends of the world, but it
Speaker 12: was really cool. I actually kept a photo of that.
Speaker 12: I don't think a lot of pictures it shows.
Speaker 1: Yeah, cool, send it along if I'd like to see that.
Speaker 1: Anything else you want to add, Brian from your experience tonight,
Speaker 1: anything either on camera fan chance, or something that was
Speaker 1: taped or happened off camera or for dark or whatever.
Speaker 1: I mean, just an anything else you want to share
Speaker 1: that stance out that you think listeners will like to
Speaker 1: know about.
Speaker 12: I think that sends it out to me is the
Speaker 12: most that the passion of the fans. The difference tonight
Speaker 12: and I think you got wrestling fans. I think Monday
Speaker 12: you got people who got tickets or people whose kids
Speaker 12: tucked them into buyolent tickets. I think tonight you got
Speaker 12: wrestling and showed honestly. Yeah, I mean that's the best
Speaker 12: possible way I can explain it to you.
Speaker 1: Very good, Brian, thanks so much for taking time this
Speaker 1: week on both Monday night and tonight talking about your
Speaker 1: in person experience. It's it's great when you canna.
Speaker 12: Thanks for having me man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean we can go to two shows like
Speaker 1: this back to back and uh and talk about it
Speaker 1: and contrast it. It's it's really interesting, so appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Don't be a stranger.
Speaker 1: Listen.
Speaker 2: Know when you go to another show and then call
Speaker 2: in anytime.
Speaker 12: Well do sir? Thank you?
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Speaker 1: wrap up here just with a couple of e mails
Speaker 1: or a few meals that cover topics we didn't cover
Speaker 1: in great depth or some points of view on it.
Speaker 1: We're talked about Chavo. JB from Detroit said, I really
Speaker 1: like the adjustment aw mad tonight Ivan Chavo being Androtte
Speaker 1: surprise and having him as a representative rather than Vicki
Speaker 1: just seems like a.
Speaker 2: Better fit to me.
Speaker 1: This is yet another example of AW understanding when something
Speaker 1: isn't working and quickly pivoting from it, taking Offenser Man.
Speaker 1: My only critique might be that Chavoll struck a bit
Speaker 1: too much of a baby face tone in his promo
Speaker 1: as Andretti's representative. But I'm really intrigued where they go
Speaker 1: with this Andratti Chavo death wrangle feud to decide who
Speaker 1: is the true face of Latin American wrestling, and I
Speaker 1: think there are many interesting paths they could take. Which
Speaker 1: is always a good thing. As a side note, I
Speaker 1: wonder how long WW and AW can sustain these weekly surprises.
Speaker 1: This week being NICKI has always loved the show and
Speaker 1: go vi, I p Nick Gage and Chavo Guerrero. I
Speaker 1: mean I expect to say those names are the same
Speaker 1: sentence this week in regard to national television.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that is uh and to say there, you know,
Speaker 3: even a year ago, if that those guys would have
Speaker 3: been big surprises, I think I would have been like,
Speaker 3: I don't know if that's a big surprise either of
Speaker 3: those guys. So, uh, how things have changed? Well, yeah,
Speaker 3: it's pretty it's pretty a basic interesting.
Speaker 1: Oh go ahead, I'm sorry, good good.
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, any part. We talked a little bit
Speaker 3: about that, But I think the point I wanted to
Speaker 3: talk about on that if you didn't have anything was
Speaker 3: the constant surprises on both shows. And yeah, I mean
Speaker 3: I think that's kind of what we talked about earlier
Speaker 3: with the you know, grading each show week by week,
Speaker 3: and you're gonna if you do a big surprise every week,
Speaker 3: is gonna lose it's uh, you know, it's gonna you're
Speaker 3: gonna have the mission returns and uh at some point
Speaker 3: you're gonna you know, you're be uh, you know, chasing
Speaker 3: that and it's not gonna be good. Yeah, so they
Speaker 3: should be careful with that. And Bush shows do and
Speaker 3: you can't build. You gotta build a product like Aw's
Speaker 3: doing right now, as we've discussed all night, built on
Speaker 3: stars that you see every week and that you like,
Speaker 3: and not be relying on, you know, big stars to
Speaker 3: come in and save the day. So you know, yeah,
Speaker 3: that's my only point on that, all right.
Speaker 2: Dodd James Clemson.
Speaker 1: Interesting email here, he goes, I am proud to say
Speaker 1: I'll be at Fight for the Fallen next week. Watching
Speaker 1: this show tonight and hearing your on site correspondent has
Speaker 1: me so hyped for it. I'd like to contrast my
Speaker 1: excitement by telling you about my week. My wife was
Speaker 1: out of town for the past week. So on Friday
Speaker 1: I did something i'ven't done in years and gave SmackDown
Speaker 1: a try. Edge was cool, but I was checked out
Speaker 1: and I cut it off. By the women's match on Monday,
Speaker 1: I was pumped up to see Johnson's reaction up money
Speaker 1: in the bank of someone who grew up a huge
Speaker 1: fan of John Cena. So on Monday, I did something
Speaker 1: I haven't done in years and gave Raw a try.
Speaker 1: Sina made me cringe and I was out before the
Speaker 1: riddle match was over. My point is that there's I
Speaker 1: don't know if people remember the Gong show, but he's
Speaker 1: ringing the gong early on the on Ron's back down here.
Speaker 1: My point is is that there's no way I'll be
Speaker 1: giving w B a try and again again anytime soon.
Speaker 1: On the other hand, I'll be driving two hours on
Speaker 1: a Wednesday next week and I can't wait. AW is
Speaker 1: doing everything right, and I agree with Todd Martin stots
Speaker 1: the past few weeks. I really think ae W is
Speaker 1: gonna win this thing. And by the way, I said
Speaker 1: what Todd said the night before in the Post Show
Speaker 1: in so many words, I'm Todd's a leader of many things,
Speaker 1: but he copied me on that one. Unbeknownst to him.
Speaker 1: It was actually just great months thinking alike. But a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago on the Post Show, I just
Speaker 1: said I think AW should be aiming for and I
Speaker 1: think is on a path to surpass Raw in the ratings,
Speaker 1: and the next day on The Fix, Todd said the
Speaker 1: same thing, And so yeah, I think this I watched
Speaker 1: this product. It was thank you for your time and
Speaker 1: let me know if you need me next week. I'll
Speaker 1: be in touch, James. So I do watch this product,
Speaker 1: and I see their numbers last week which went up,
Speaker 1: and the network partnership that they have, the decisions they're
Speaker 1: making in terms of the talent they bring in, you know,
Speaker 1: wild cards like Nick Gage, the sort of sense of
Speaker 1: just having tentacles everywhere New Japan impact NWA. They feel
Speaker 1: like they're actually part of the progressing community and that's
Speaker 1: gonna create more fierce loyalty with the first million, then
Speaker 1: grow to your second million. But I think they're doing enough.
Speaker 1: Like the second million is about the Young Bucks wardrobe,
Speaker 1: like getting so good in so high end and Kenny
Speaker 1: looked like looking like he didn't wake up from a nap,
Speaker 1: but he's got his hair done and he has sunglasses
Speaker 1: that don't look like that he bought him as on
Speaker 1: a whim at Walgreens while checking out, and you know
Speaker 1: it just there. They're doing this. The other stuff to
Speaker 1: had some polish, some pizazz, some prestige to the to
Speaker 1: the presentation of the product. While that was five p's
Speaker 1: Paul Hymnna be pro, So I do think, I mean,
Speaker 1: after what we saw this week, and I mean I
Speaker 1: like Raw was fun for me for my job, Like
Speaker 1: I you know, it wasn't a boring show. There was
Speaker 1: a lot that happened, and but I don't think it
Speaker 1: was a product where you go, wow that Vincent Mann
Speaker 1: was saving it up. But boy is he changed course
Speaker 1: and corrected course. So AW just feels like a show
Speaker 1: that is on the rise, kind of like Raw did
Speaker 1: when it was about to Ober take Nitro. So anyway, yeah, Tyler,
Speaker 1: your your thoughts.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and if I can get a shameless plug for myself,
Speaker 3: I think that same week was it three weeks ago
Speaker 3: or so that Todd said that on The Fix and
Speaker 3: had his whole argument I think on that on that
Speaker 3: if you look at my report for that dynamite, I
Speaker 3: think in my final thoughts for the show, I kind
Speaker 3: of I don't think I said explicitly, but I think
Speaker 3: it was pretty close to saying that. I don't know
Speaker 3: how AW doesn't beat WWFU to keep this up. So
Speaker 3: I think all great minds think.
Speaker 1: So what you're saying is to say, you're saying Todd's
Speaker 1: playdist and he didn't give you credit and he read
Speaker 1: your report and what the next day, I mean that
Speaker 1: is that what you're saying explicitly just started.
Speaker 3: He had just started following me on Twitter. So I
Speaker 3: don't know if that's the correlation or not that he
Speaker 3: uh just just kidding god, But uh yeah, I'm with
Speaker 3: you one hundred percent. And you know, I think how
Speaker 3: fast things turn that. I think a lot of people
Speaker 3: are coming to that realization. Obviously, you know, you're you're
Speaker 3: an influencer in the space, and so are people on
Speaker 3: the torch for for certain demographics, and you know, I
Speaker 3: think all the fact that a lot of us are
Speaker 3: coming to the same conclusion right now is definitely says something.
Speaker 3: And the crowds are just like other discussions tonight, it's
Speaker 3: you know, if aw keeps on this trajectory, in WWE
Speaker 3: keeps on their trajectory, I mean, just look at WWE
Speaker 3: after SummerSlam, like they're building two matches that you know,
Speaker 3: Lash is going to beat Goldberg and Roman's going to
Speaker 3: beat John Cena because he's going to go home a
Speaker 3: movie and then like what do you have built up
Speaker 3: until you get you know, to the Royal Rumble, Like
Speaker 3: you just got a whole bunch of nothing planned, and
Speaker 3: it's just not a hot product, and you know, that's
Speaker 3: a small issue in comparison to things. But and then
Speaker 3: when you look at someone, you know, if there's any
Speaker 3: if there's a wrestling fan who's I don't know, seventeen
Speaker 3: to thirty right now, I'd be just absolutely floored if
Speaker 3: more than ten percent of them prefer WWE to AW
Speaker 3: if they're watching both consistently, and that's you know, that's
Speaker 3: the long game. And Tony Kahan and company have to
Speaker 3: keep this consistency up. And you know, I think they
Speaker 3: have a lot more advantages than WWW. You talked about
Speaker 3: this a lot through through throughout all time. But you know,
Speaker 3: he's not working for a you know, a network like
Speaker 3: you know, WW is set up, and he is independently
Speaker 3: wealthy or his father is at least, and he can
Speaker 3: keep going for this as long as he has a
Speaker 3: passion for it. And I don't think that's gonna stop
Speaker 3: anytime soon. So I think it's a much different situation
Speaker 3: than that's dealt with with Ted Turner and Bischoff back
Speaker 3: in the day. So yeah, I just don't see how
Speaker 3: if things stay the way they are exactly, I just
Speaker 3: don't see any way, aw doesn't win win this thing,
Speaker 3: and you know, winning is a different example that you
Speaker 3: can have two shows that are you know, huge, you know,
Speaker 3: media platforms, especially with the way the media rights are
Speaker 3: going with sports and things like that. I don't necessarily
Speaker 3: think the WWE is going to die or anything, but yeah,
Speaker 3: it's the first time I felt like this in my lifetime.
Speaker 3: So that is it's quite something.
Speaker 1: Well, when ww went under and people said they'll you know,
Speaker 1: they'll never be another competitor, you know, it was the end.
Speaker 1: You know, that just won't happen. And I you, I
Speaker 1: don't know what show and what date over the years,
Speaker 1: but many, many times I said, someday, there's going to
Speaker 1: be a really smart, passionate person who knows wrestling with money,
Speaker 1: and there's going to be a network executive who remembers
Speaker 1: the Monday Night Wore era and all the money that
Speaker 1: was made and all the fun they had, and this
Speaker 1: can happen, you know, And I mean I I it
Speaker 1: wasn't inevitable.
Speaker 2: It wasn't you know, just destiny.
Speaker 1: But it's not shocking that somebody who loves wrestling who
Speaker 1: also has money or knows someone who has money, you know,
Speaker 1: whatever it is, would that that would coincide with a
Speaker 1: network being hungry for for you know, live programming with
Speaker 1: a proven track record. And it took you know, it
Speaker 1: took twenty years, but it happened, you know, and you
Speaker 1: know TNA struggled and to fill that space, and I
Speaker 1: you know, talked to Jerry Jared on a regular basis
Speaker 1: and the lead up to the NWAT and A being
Speaker 1: launched and his heartbreak on the weekly paper re format
Speaker 1: numbers when Jay Hossman was telling him things were doing
Speaker 1: really well and they weren't and he spent money that
Speaker 1: he didn't have as a result.
Speaker 2: It was like a he wrote about this in book.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just it was.
Speaker 1: It was it was a hand of mouth, you know, struggle.
Speaker 1: Let's let's go paint the barn in Nashville. Like it
Speaker 1: was a completely different level to startup than what Tony
Speaker 1: Kahin's working with. So you know it. But but you
Speaker 1: have to have the right idea. And so I want
Speaker 1: to read this email because this this fits to what
Speaker 1: we're saying. Jimmy and Stockton, California says it seems like
Speaker 1: aw AS an organization is quick to adjust. Christian working
Speaker 1: with Jungle Boy instead of immediately being inserted into the
Speaker 1: title picture and Chavo Garrel replacing Vicky two recent examples.
Speaker 1: But tons of individual wrestlers are improving their physiques, Powerhouse Hogs,
Speaker 1: Evil who know pretty much the entire Inner Circle except Jericho,
Speaker 1: their gear and their presence, and I think it really
Speaker 1: helps aw feel more major league. I know it's not
Speaker 1: super compelling podcasting, but I sent along a picture of
Speaker 1: Hobbs tonight versus when he started on Dark. Have you
Speaker 1: noticed this as well? And wait, if there is time?
Speaker 1: What were you thinking with the promos from Death Triangle
Speaker 1: and Andrade? Could you follow along? Do you think they do?
Speaker 1: You think that they showed fire and charisma? Thanks Yan,
Speaker 1: guys do and everyone go VIP wrestling is awesome now
Speaker 1: and PW Torch does a dope job breaking it down.
Speaker 2: Thanks Jimmy.
Speaker 1: I might use that as a pull up quote vi
Speaker 1: IP they do a dope job. Love it. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: talked quite a bit about detri Anglanta Drod. I just
Speaker 1: I didn't need to know what they're saying. I thought,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it was a perfect segment, but it
Speaker 1: the perfect segment is like NXT here's a question, and
Speaker 1: here's the scripted answer, and then there's an awkward pause
Speaker 1: and the next question like and I like NXT, but
Speaker 1: it is a WWE. You know, there's a level of
Speaker 1: ww BE production. I like a little chaos, you know,
Speaker 1: a little what's gonna happen next, and who's supposed to
Speaker 1: talk and who's gonna step up? And there was a
Speaker 1: little bit of all that, and it felt like there
Speaker 1: was legit pride on the line and logical things being
Speaker 1: said in response, and it felt, you know, impromptu. It
Speaker 1: felt extemporaneous at times, and so that made it better.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, the adjustments. You know, Christian and Vicky
Speaker 1: are you know a Vicky and Chavo and and Christian
Speaker 1: are are a couple of good examples there too. And yeah,
Speaker 1: and then I talked about ring Geer, you know, and
Speaker 1: and physiques too. You know, Kenny looks like he's in
Speaker 1: better shape now, Tyler than six months ago. Just physically.
Speaker 1: He looks like he's you know, cutting back on carbs
Speaker 1: or whatever.
Speaker 8: You know.
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's a cliche, but whatever. He was
Speaker 1: eating too much of and not training enough during the pandemic.
Speaker 1: It's like he looks like he's an elite athlete again
Speaker 1: instead of a guy living off his laurels. So a
Speaker 1: lot of things are coming together and it all adds
Speaker 1: up and it all matters.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree on all friends YEP.
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Speaker 1: Very good? All right? Uh, Craig no City here says,
Speaker 1: I don't think it's a very good sign that a
Speaker 1: secondary title from another promotion headlined over Brick Baker's first
Speaker 1: title defense. I got that it was a Kadok Texas deathmatch,
Speaker 1: but why not have these matches on different weeks so
Speaker 1: that Brick can get the headline spot in aw really
Speaker 1: needs to get more of its women's Division on Dynamite.
Speaker 1: She is yet to appear on Dynamite since losing the title.
Speaker 1: Taekonti was last featured on April twenty first, right velvet
Speaker 1: on June fourth. No good reason I can think of
Speaker 1: as to while this talent continues to be relegated to
Speaker 1: YouTube shows. Tony Khn really needs to figure out how
Speaker 1: to balance women's appearances and matches on Dynamite as opposed
Speaker 1: to men, so more female talent is featured. I think
Speaker 1: if he had a better roster, he would be more
Speaker 1: comfortable of women. I think he'd feel it's a bit
Speaker 1: of a self fulfilling prophecy. It's it's part of it's
Speaker 1: his fault for who he hired and then the character
Speaker 1: development of the women. It doesn't seem to be an
Speaker 1: area that he's as excited about. It doesn't seem to
Speaker 1: be as you know, plug and plays as some of
Speaker 1: the male talent that he's acquired. So I think it's
Speaker 1: a lot of factors, but this is not equal time
Speaker 1: for each gender, you know, and Britt Baker, now the
Speaker 1: Rose is not John Moxley. It's you know, like Texas
Speaker 1: Death match versus a regular match. I mean, there's all
Speaker 1: kinds of reasons that match headlined. And I mean I
Speaker 1: try to be sort of gender blind in the micro
Speaker 1: sense on a show and say what match belonged on
Speaker 1: last and regardless of gender. Yes, it's a new japan
Speaker 1: secondary title compared to your women's title. I get that argument.
Speaker 1: But Moxley's a bigger star than anyone else we're talking about,
Speaker 1: and neither Rose In Britt Baker could have could have
Speaker 1: headlined to Dynamite. But I don't know, I don't know
Speaker 1: that anything can follow what they had planned with with
Speaker 1: mox and Archers. So I mean it's I'm open, I'm
Speaker 1: open a conversation on this, but I just I think
Speaker 1: until the women's division and the development of the characters improves,
Speaker 1: it's not a charity, it's not a social cause. It's
Speaker 1: it's about ratings and profit and getting a big TV deal.
Speaker 1: And you know, so I think you can be critical
Speaker 1: of the groundwork Tony does to make the women important,
Speaker 1: but if he doesn't have the depth and importance to
Speaker 1: a women's match, you don't just out of charity or
Speaker 1: social you know, some social cause put them on after
Speaker 1: a match that has more marketability. So that's my take. Yours, Tyler.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm pretty aligned with you. I think if you
Speaker 3: look back, you know, at least these last you know,
Speaker 3: this week and last week, I don't definitely don't think
Speaker 3: that the Baker Rose match was better than you know,
Speaker 3: the Darby Ethan Page match or the you know, the
Speaker 3: main event that we saw tonight, and you can probably
Speaker 3: go back many weeks and you know, I was probably
Speaker 3: a little lower on that match than than than most
Speaker 3: of our callers. I thought the last you know, five
Speaker 3: minutes were pretty good, but I thought I thought the
Speaker 3: crowd almost turned on it there in the middle when
Speaker 3: it was kind of a slower paced match. So, you know,
Speaker 3: I think putting it in the main event spot uh.
Speaker 3: You know, I just don't think the history that those
Speaker 3: two have had together, you know, bell to bell is
Speaker 3: very compelling for a main event, and I think Tony
Speaker 3: Khan understands that and that if it's the right opportunity,
Speaker 3: I think he has no problem headlining with women. But yeah,
Speaker 3: the real thing you can point Tony khn is is
Speaker 3: nine he's a point uh you know, uses his wallet
Speaker 3: and get some talent with within a w to bolster
Speaker 3: the women's division. I think that's the the critique you
Speaker 3: can use against him right now, because yeah, I'm with you.
Speaker 3: I don't think you need to put women in spots
Speaker 3: that is gonna that are you know, it's gonna make
Speaker 3: them look bad and forever tarnish their brain and when
Speaker 3: they can get better on less viewed, more hardcore fans
Speaker 3: that are going to be more forgiving than if you
Speaker 3: put them on, you know, three matches on every week
Speaker 3: and then you just lower your whole division because they're
Speaker 3: not worthy of TV, and then people tune off because
Speaker 3: it turns into a you know, Monday night rawl like
Speaker 3: thing where you know, okay, well there's three women matches
Speaker 3: and maybe they're not the best entering work at this
Speaker 3: point because the talent's not there or not developed enough.
Speaker 3: And yeah, I'm with you. I mean, if if it
Speaker 3: was there, and if they were compelling matches bell to bell,
Speaker 3: I think they would get as much time. Tony seems
Speaker 3: like a guy who puts the best matches he thinks
Speaker 3: he can put on, no matter what. And I just
Speaker 3: think the division needs bolstered from a talent standpoint, and
Speaker 3: there's a number standpoint too. I mean, if you just
Speaker 3: look at the men versus the women who are signed.
Speaker 3: You know this is bound to be the case, and
Speaker 3: I think that's the critique you can make, and hopefully
Speaker 3: it was rampage. Maybe there's more of a commitment to
Speaker 3: have more women's matches on, you know, you'd have at
Speaker 3: least two every week and see where we go. But
Speaker 3: I think hiring more women, training more women is the critique,
Speaker 3: not the amount of time on TV. At the moment
Speaker 3: for me personally Zach.
Speaker 1: And Texas around out here, my brain is still trying
Speaker 1: to process everything. I saw Nick Gage, Schevido and the
Speaker 1: Teas of under Ida having to find partners to fight
Speaker 1: Death Triangle, Mox and Archer actively trying to murder each
Speaker 1: other in the main event, and then Hawk, Who's huge son,
Speaker 1: stepping up to Archer. It's just such a different world.
Speaker 1: For Monday Night, Darby and Orange Cassidy were selling their
Speaker 1: butts off, Britt going for the Eddie spot on the
Speaker 1: title match, and Vicky saying the hell y'ar was fantastic
Speaker 1: by the way. I love that now the Rose got
Speaker 1: it wrong. You don't beg off when you throw the
Speaker 1: belt to the person you ag knocked out. I love
Speaker 1: that she blew the whole thing. The whole show was great.
Speaker 1: I'm just sad I couldn't make it to see it
Speaker 1: happened in person. Zach in Texas? What's your excuse, Sack? So,
Speaker 1: I don't know if I don't if you have anything
Speaker 1: to say on that, but there was a lot to
Speaker 1: digest on the show.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say to defend Zach, Texas is a
Speaker 3: big state. We don't know where in Texas he's from,
Speaker 3: so uh for the travel why he couldn't make it,
Speaker 3: I'll defenseac there for you. But yeah, you know, I
Speaker 3: think we talked about everything on there. I think the
Speaker 3: only thing that not get brought up at all was
Speaker 3: because the Kazarian gallows match, which I think had no
Speaker 3: reason to be brought up by anybody. So I just
Speaker 3: want to make sure we talked about that just for
Speaker 3: a second before we ended here. But you know, I
Speaker 3: thought I thought that was also kind of a pivot
Speaker 3: for for Tony Kane w I don't think that character
Speaker 3: has been working very well. It's been kind of random,
Speaker 3: and to see him just kind of get beat up,
Speaker 3: and you know, he wasn't part of that dark Order
Speaker 3: scermmerce at the end there. I don't know if that
Speaker 3: signaled anything to you that they're piving away from that
Speaker 3: character for Kazarian. But you know, I don't think it
Speaker 3: worked for me personally. But another example of a pivot
Speaker 3: a smaller, you know, lower card guy switching. But yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean I think what Zach is saying is just
Speaker 3: kind of a chorus throughout the evening of it's this
Speaker 3: is this is why the show is so much more
Speaker 3: different than what WW is producing. And I think that
Speaker 3: it's kind of the highlight of this week of uh,
Speaker 3: you know, a dynamite versus raw and what have you.
Speaker 3: It just you can feel the difference, and it helps
Speaker 3: to to do what should like this because I feel
Speaker 3: like I'm not a crazy person having those opinions, because
Speaker 3: it seems like it seems like a lot of people
Speaker 3: at least in our ecosystem here I feel the same way.
Speaker 3: So that is reassured.
Speaker 1: And you know, another pivot is Kazarian not getting mic
Speaker 1: time right now. You know, I thought I thought he
Speaker 1: was just like it was just over the top. It
Speaker 1: was you know, self important and too intense and like
Speaker 1: like you just it. Yeah, it was just it just
Speaker 1: didn't the tone was wrong. I don't think the instincts
Speaker 1: were there, the delivery was heavy handed, and and it
Speaker 1: just wasn't It didn't fit, like I like him being
Speaker 1: more the the the uh not the sharpshooter.
Speaker 2: What what is it?
Speaker 1: He just kind of running in and it hit people
Speaker 1: and then running away like whatever's term I'm thinking of?
Speaker 1: I can't think of, but it's just yeah, just kind
Speaker 1: of sniping people on the sidelines, I guess, and and
Speaker 1: that's fine. But again there was a backstory there, but
Speaker 1: the right thing happened in the match. You know, I
Speaker 1: don't think kaz Kaz is good to have on your roster,
Speaker 1: but you don't build them up to more than you
Speaker 1: know what he's doing now or what he's been doing.
Speaker 12: You know.
Speaker 1: I think in TNA, with a more limited roster, he
Speaker 1: got more of a push, but he was never a
Speaker 1: top guy even there for a reason. So he's a
Speaker 1: good utility veteran. And the crowd you know, reacted to
Speaker 1: him was a hot crowd. But I think Tony, you know,
Speaker 1: shows he's got pretty good instinct for how far to
Speaker 1: push someone, even even if they aspire for more. Sometimes
Speaker 1: you know, they just the the charisma, the promo skill,
Speaker 1: you know, whatever there's there's a certain spot that you
Speaker 1: fit and you know they're trying to cast do something
Speaker 1: different than you know, s ceu and and that's fine,
Speaker 1: but you don't look at Tony making decisions going my god,
Speaker 1: he's not correcting course and this isn't this isn't working
Speaker 1: very often.
Speaker 2: You know, you see more course correcting and that's.
Speaker 3: A really good thing. Yeah, I mean, just to just
Speaker 3: finish that off, as you know, that's not an important
Speaker 3: story on the on the show, but that's even getting
Speaker 3: the same sort of delicate touch of you know, pivoting
Speaker 3: when things aren't working from top to bottom on the card.
Speaker 3: And I think it just shows a holistic approach to
Speaker 3: the to the booking all around, which is you know,
Speaker 3: a positive sign for sure.
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Speaker 1: I remember what he was going to say, so close
Speaker 1: with that he said, I was going to ask for
Speaker 1: you think things are going with Androtti and Death Triangle.
Speaker 1: If destri Angle stays together, it is ANDREDI going to
Speaker 1: get two guys, maybe form and new in Goobert Noble's faction.
Speaker 1: If Androtti, if Androtti's entreaty ends up working with pent
Speaker 1: In Phoenix and takes over Death Triangle instead, does Pop
Speaker 1: find two guys or do Penten Phoenix split up? It's
Speaker 1: like eight questions and two sentences, Tyler, what scenario do
Speaker 1: you think they're headed towards?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think the ideal scenario is for
Speaker 3: you know, whatever Loss and gobernables guys that are available,
Speaker 3: and there's lots all across the world in New Japan
Speaker 3: and Ring of Honor, even with that might have some
Speaker 3: expiring contracts at the end of the year. Here, I
Speaker 3: think Androde getting some of his his Tranquilo friends, if
Speaker 3: you will, makes more sense than him stealing away Ray
Speaker 3: and pen to from from Pak. So, you know, I
Speaker 3: see death triangles sticking together here. I don't see anyone
Speaker 3: turning on them, and you know, I would anyone that
Speaker 3: joins and Dry at this point I think would be
Speaker 3: an addition, not someone that's already on the roster. You know,
Speaker 3: I could be wrong about that, but I still think
Speaker 3: I can't think of anyone in the roster right now
Speaker 3: that's in a you know, a prominent role that I
Speaker 3: think fits with him to be, you know, a hinchman
Speaker 3: for him essentially, So I think something outside would fit
Speaker 3: for him. But beyond that, I see, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I mean, I like that with this that I thought
Speaker 3: that he was not calling them out last week. I
Speaker 3: thought it was more of like, hey, I would like
Speaker 3: talk to you and join forces maybe, but it was definitely.
Speaker 12: A call out.
Speaker 3: So I don't know. I don't have a super good
Speaker 3: read on that, but I like that I don't like
Speaker 3: I like that I don't can't exactly pinpoint what's going
Speaker 3: to happen weekend and week out. I think that's a
Speaker 3: strength of mid card feud like this.
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Speaker 3: we just for tomorrow's episode, we talked to Dak Draper.
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Speaker 1: He was great on mad Men. Just a really bad
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