Speaker 1: It's Night with Dan Ray on Boston News Radio.
Speaker 2: Welcome back, Thank you, Kyle, appreciated very much. We are
Speaker 2: talking about the migrant crisis here in Massachusetts, which the
Speaker 2: Healy administration is now in some turbulent political waters. I
Speaker 2: have not and cannot quote some recent polls, but I've
Speaker 2: seen some polls which indicate that the governors has been
Speaker 2: aggravating not only people who are inclined to oppose her
Speaker 2: most things political, but even amongst those people in the
Speaker 2: past who have supported her. The problem is that migrants
Speaker 2: have flocked to Massachusetts because we have a sort of
Speaker 2: an open shelter policy. It's called the Right to Shelter Law,
Speaker 2: which was passed in this state in nineteen eighty three
Speaker 2: assignment then Governor Michael d'caccas, which was essentially intended to
Speaker 2: make sure that people who are living in Massachusetts, if
Speaker 2: they were women, or if they were particularly women who
Speaker 2: were pregnant with children, with or without children, that they
Speaker 2: would always have shelter. And during the course of various
Speaker 2: times that capacity has been tested. But with the influx
Speaker 2: of God knows how many migrants who do not have shelter,
Speaker 2: the situation just exploded last year, and it exploded as
Speaker 2: a result of our open border policy, which the administration
Speaker 2: is low to criticize. But now we've had we have
Speaker 2: become really a state that has got a crisis on
Speaker 2: his hands. And today the Boston Globe did a really
Speaker 2: in depth investigative report which we've alluded to for those
Speaker 2: of you who are just joining us, written by Stephanie
Speaker 2: Ebert Ebert and Deirdre Fernandez, essentially saying that the state
Speaker 2: does not want to provide information to us, the citizens
Speaker 2: about how our money a billion dollars a year is
Speaker 2: being spent on hotels and shelters and meals and laundry
Speaker 2: and taxi cabs and medical services. And with us holding
Speaker 2: through the newscast is Stephen from Weston, who apparently has
Speaker 2: talked to some hotel owners. And these are not five
Speaker 2: star hotels. This is not the hotel Front and Act Steven.
Speaker 2: These are hotels that in the past, we're lucky on
Speaker 2: a great weekend to get to eighty percent capacity for rooms,
Speaker 2: there were one hundred and twenty nine, maybe one hundred
Speaker 2: and thirty nine dollars, and now they're getting three three
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty dollars and a guarantee of the years
Speaker 2: of a hotel. We're filled to capacity for a year,
Speaker 2: and we can't find out who the owners of these
Speaker 2: hotels are, amongst other things. Go ahead, Stephen, you told
Speaker 2: us that you had talked to one owner who said, Hey,
Speaker 2: I don't take the money, some other hotel will.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's absolutely the case. Then and again, just to
Speaker 3: you know, just to reiterate, they're not paying the state
Speaker 3: is not paying market rates here. The state is paying
Speaker 3: free and then sometimes four case four times what the
Speaker 3: rates were prior to this migrant crisis. And you know,
Speaker 3: that's why they're not being That's why the state's not
Speaker 3: being transparent with this, and that's why you know, that's
Speaker 3: because they don't want you and I the taxpayer to
Speaker 3: know that. You know, you know, I think it started
Speaker 3: out at forty five million a month back in twenty
Speaker 3: twenty three. Of our tax dollars, we're being spent on this.
Speaker 3: When they originally proposed this, they they allocated five hundred
Speaker 3: million dollars and within two weeks of that allocation, they
Speaker 3: they said they were going to have a budget shortfall
Speaker 3: for next year. But they but they were quick to
Speaker 3: point out that that shortfall had nothing to do with
Speaker 3: this crisis. Well, of course, have one without the other.
Speaker 3: Of course it's just ludicrous, of course ludicrous. They they're
Speaker 3: they're insulting, you know, the citizens of Massachusetts that that
Speaker 3: work hard in Bay Texas. Well.
Speaker 2: The funny thing about it is that one point I
Speaker 2: was gonna say, if they put people up, let us
Speaker 2: say at you know, the Intercontinental Hotel in downtown Boston,
Speaker 2: or the Ritz or four Seasons of the Meridian, uh,
Speaker 2: the the the the Mandarin Oriental, and we're paying three
Speaker 2: or four hundred dollars a night, people would be outraged.
Speaker 2: What they're doing is they're putting them in you know,
Speaker 2: large lodge type hotels, you know in places like taunt
Speaker 2: And and Wooburn, and you know cities that were no
Speaker 2: one's flocking to, sadly, and they are paying prices of
Speaker 2: three hundred dollars. Look at this. There was a no
Speaker 2: big taxicab contract on the Cape, which I hope someone
Speaker 2: gets some information on some taxicab company in Truro which
Speaker 2: was providing taxicab service for migrants six million dollars a year.
Speaker 2: How many taxi cab rides in the Cape could you
Speaker 2: take to have to spend six million dollars. Yeah, there's
Speaker 2: a lot of cab rides, don't you think.
Speaker 3: And and the and the hotels, and the hotels like
Speaker 3: the Meridian in the you know, a Mandarin Oriental. Those
Speaker 3: are reserved for the governor and her staff. Those, yes,
Speaker 3: and those are three thousand the night right.
Speaker 2: Absolutely absolutely, yeh Uh. It's like you know, the hotel
Speaker 2: front On. I came Quebec. Look uh, these towns Norfolk,
Speaker 2: uh in taunting uh and and Plymouth down to the
Speaker 2: Cape where they've had some of these problems. And the
Speaker 2: school systems, the schools were about to have the influx
Speaker 2: of students set upon them, and no one in the
Speaker 2: legislature turned around and said at some point, hey, look,
Speaker 2: let's amend this nineteen eighty three law. This was there
Speaker 2: was not no intention back then to house migrants. It
Speaker 2: was intended for long term Massachusetts residents who found themselves
Speaker 2: in a bad, you know, situation financially and maybe even domestically.
Speaker 2: That is what the purpose was back in nineteen eighty three.
Speaker 2: This law, this law has been totally misapplied in terms
Speaker 2: of what its original intent and original purpose was. And
Speaker 2: I think that if the Globe keeps pushing on this.
Speaker 2: We're going to get more and more information and it's
Speaker 2: gone to it's going to inuit the benefit, to the
Speaker 2: to the credit of the globe. They're doing good work
Speaker 2: on this, and they're doing good work which is going
Speaker 2: to embarrass an administration that they've primarily supported.
Speaker 3: They are and I think the one thing that hopefully
Speaker 3: will come out of this is that as a country,
Speaker 3: we can address this migrant crisis and realize that you know,
Speaker 3: you know, we look at some of these governors that
Speaker 3: are shipping these people to these other states like ours,
Speaker 3: and as horrible as that is, I mean, at some
Speaker 3: point they these guys have been dealing with this in
Speaker 3: our border states like Arizona and Texas and Nevada and California.
Speaker 3: I mean, they've been dealing with us for years.
Speaker 2: Well, and what are they going to do? They have
Speaker 2: to they have Look, if we're not going to close
Speaker 2: the borders, we're going to open the borders. Every state
Speaker 2: should absorb some responsibility. We basically made our state a
Speaker 2: magnet by not saying that this nineteen eighty three statute,
Speaker 2: this right, the shelter Law, only applied to people who
Speaker 2: had been resided sidents of Massachusetts for you know, they
Speaker 2: should have amended that a year ago. We knew that
Speaker 2: this flood was coming, no doubt, Steven Love you call,
Speaker 2: very strong, first time call. Please continue to call this program.
Speaker 3: Okay, thanks so much, Thank you, Stephen.
Speaker 2: Okay, go and take a quick break. We're going to
Speaker 2: get to more callers. We got Larry coming up, Mark,
Speaker 2: and I got room for you. So I got one
Speaker 2: call one line at six one seven, two, five, four
Speaker 2: to ten thirty and two at six one seven, nine
Speaker 2: three one ten thirty. Look, when the Boston Globe wants
Speaker 2: to call out the democratic governor of Massachusetts over the
Speaker 2: issue of transparency, then I think we have crossed a
Speaker 2: rubicon here that the Globe cannot back down from. I mean,
Speaker 2: they are still a very powerful institution. I know that
Speaker 2: there are a lot of people who will be mad
Speaker 2: at the Globe for having done this front page story today,
Speaker 2: because obviously the attitude of many people are that the
Speaker 2: governor's office should be saco saying and they should not
Speaker 2: be questioned and second guests because they're a democratic governor. Well,
Speaker 2: the Globe took a strong stance to today. I say
Speaker 2: hats off to the Globe. I hope you will as well.
Speaker 2: You may not be a reader of the Globe, I am.
Speaker 2: You may not even like the Globe. But when the
Speaker 2: Globe does a story like this which does show I
Speaker 2: think an absolute abuse, an abuse of what should be transparency,
Speaker 2: hats off to the Globe. There's two lines open at six, one, seven, nine, three, one,
Speaker 2: ten thirty. Feel free to join this conversation. This is
Speaker 2: an important story. This might be a moment in time
Speaker 2: where things could potentially change a little bit in Massachusetts.
Speaker 1: Back on Nightside Now, back to Dan Ray live from
Speaker 1: the Window World nights Side Studios. I'm WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2: Thanks to the calls. Larry is in Bill Ricca. Larry,
Speaker 2: appreciate you joining us. You're next one Nightside, Go right ahead, Larry.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Dan, thanks for taking my call out, longtime listener,
Speaker 4: first time call.
Speaker 2: Wow, turn around, a little run of a close around. Look,
Speaker 2: appreciate it. What's your thought on this this this Globe
Speaker 2: article which really holds the feet of the healthy administration
Speaker 2: of the fire on the issue of transparency.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was kind of thrilled to see the Globe
Speaker 4: finally kind of go that way right. It's always been
Speaker 4: it's always been perceived as a you know, favorable newspaper
Speaker 4: towards the democratic kind of side of the house and
Speaker 4: all the things and all the policies and associated with
Speaker 4: that kind of Finally glad to see them kind of
Speaker 4: cutting both ways right.
Speaker 2: Well, well, you know, it's interesting. We always got to
Speaker 2: separate the the editorial policy from the front page the
Speaker 2: news stories. Now they've been very aggressive here with what
Speaker 2: I would call a good piece of solid piece of
Speaker 2: attempted investigated journalism. Hopefully this doesn't end with what they've
Speaker 2: done today, and they'll continue to pursue this and if necessary,
Speaker 2: try to take the Heally administration a court to get
Speaker 2: this information. It'll be interesting to see if there's a
Speaker 2: Globe editorial in the next couple of days which supports
Speaker 2: the investigative journalism I think them very well might be,
Speaker 2: And that would be a stunning development.
Speaker 4: Wow. I mean, something the Globe Spotlight team could certainly
Speaker 4: take gone and go real deep if they if they
Speaker 4: if they deem it necessary or something that they feel
Speaker 4: as more more run way ahead of it. But I
Speaker 4: guess my comment and what kind of that drove me
Speaker 4: to call is you know, in the private sector, none
Speaker 4: of what you just described from an expense perspective would be,
Speaker 4: you know, readily acceptable. I've worked in the private sector
Speaker 4: and financial services for over thirty years, and you have
Speaker 4: to kind of prove why an expense is contributing towards
Speaker 4: the benefit of the of the business or contributing towards
Speaker 4: you know, the future profits of the business. And to
Speaker 4: your point earlier, what's the benefit of the state of Massachusetts?
Speaker 4: And even where the governing accountability around reasonable rates that
Speaker 4: can be born by anybody who wants to use one
Speaker 4: of the commercially available you know, travel sites out there,
Speaker 4: you know, paying a playing a rate that's above above
Speaker 4: market for God, forpid, you know, going into a suite
Speaker 4: when you can stay in a regular room. Where's the
Speaker 4: accountability if I do that? In the personal side, they
Speaker 4: pay for it personally. Governa Healy wants to travel to
Speaker 4: the Wisconsin Rome, which I've been to. It's a beautiful
Speaker 4: hotel and stay this week, Well, the state reim versuship
Speaker 4: for one hundred and twenty five bucks. The rest is
Speaker 4: on you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know that's great, that's a great point.
Speaker 4: I would yeah, I would hope, I would hope that
Speaker 4: it's Sorry, interrupted, but I would I would hope that
Speaker 4: that's something that, you know, if they really want to
Speaker 4: show transparency, if the audit the audit department of the
Speaker 4: state would take a look at.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And the other thing is that a lot of
Speaker 2: these political candidates who get who are fortunate enough to
Speaker 2: be elected to high positions, they have their campaign funds. Okay. Now,
Speaker 2: I would think that legally there would be nothing that
Speaker 2: would stop them from using campaign funds as opposed to
Speaker 2: tax dollars if they were going to travel somewhere, and
Speaker 2: obviously they may choose to travel somewhere, but it was
Speaker 2: seen to me that before going to the to the
Speaker 2: public fisk to stay at these five star hotels, et cetera,
Speaker 2: let the state give them a per diem for a
Speaker 2: hotel loosen one hundred and twenty five dollars on hundred
Speaker 2: and fifty dollars, and then use their own political funds
Speaker 2: to make up the difference. So that therefore they're making
Speaker 2: the decision that they're going to up the amount of
Speaker 2: money they're paying, but it would be out of if
Speaker 2: not their personal pocket, it would be out of their
Speaker 2: their their their fund, their political funds.
Speaker 4: If you get my drift couldn't agree more. And I
Speaker 4: you know another second point you were discussing on the migrats.
Speaker 4: I mean, when the first plane hit, I forget to
Speaker 4: it with Nan talking to Vinyon. I said to my wife,
Speaker 4: this is going to become a much bigger issue, you know,
Speaker 4: And back then it was it was deemed political fodder.
Speaker 4: But I think it was a little bit of what
Speaker 4: Steve said. It's finally every other state that's been dealing
Speaker 4: with this day in and day out, and every other
Speaker 4: governor on both sides of the aisle that's been dealing
Speaker 4: with us day in and day out, starting to try
Speaker 4: to spread the love around. And you know, we've had
Speaker 4: open arms until it until it hurts so much.
Speaker 2: But well, well.
Speaker 4: Someone needs to pay for this.
Speaker 2: Yeah. The people in Martha's Vinyon, if you remember, they
Speaker 2: were thrilled that the migrants had arrived, and they landed
Speaker 2: at Martha's Vinyon airport, and they gave them Martha's Vinyne
Speaker 2: hats and Methis Mart's Vinyon T shirts, and they gave
Speaker 2: them some sandwiches. They let them stay overnight at the church,
Speaker 2: and then they put them on a bus the next day.
Speaker 2: And headed it drove over right, you put them on
Speaker 2: the ferry to Cape Cod, so you know they dropped them.
Speaker 3: They not in my back very quickly.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I think I think this is this
Speaker 4: is you know, Governor it to your point, Governor Dukakas
Speaker 4: did this back in the day to help folks in
Speaker 4: need Massachusetts long term residence in need.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 4: And I think I agree with you wholeheartedly. It needs
Speaker 4: to be revisited because right now it's being abused, but
Speaker 4: it's being abused on everyone. Yes, and and and I
Speaker 4: think this is a little case of the of the
Speaker 4: much bigger order crisis that we've all been kind of
Speaker 4: hearing and dealing with.
Speaker 2: Well, if you if you remember back last at some
Speaker 2: point it was last year or early this year, Governor
Speaker 2: Healey and Lieutenant Governor Driscoll. Driscoll made an appeal to
Speaker 2: Massachusetts residence and they said, gee, if you have a
Speaker 2: spare room in your home, or or you have an
Speaker 2: in law apartment that's not not being used, maybe you
Speaker 2: could welcome a migrant family. I still don't know if
Speaker 2: any people in Massachusetts welcomed migrant families into their home.
Speaker 2: If they did, my hat's off to those individuals. They're
Speaker 2: better human beings. That's not virtue signaling, that's actually walking
Speaker 2: the walk and talking the talk. And I think that,
Speaker 2: you know, if people do that, hats off to them.
Speaker 2: But I will bet you the few and far between.
Speaker 4: Well, I would bet you this few and far between,
Speaker 4: and if we went up and down the hall of
Speaker 4: the State House, there's zero.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know something. I'm not going to bet the
Speaker 2: over on that number with you, Larry, Thank you so much,
Speaker 2: great call, great first call. Come on back more often.
Speaker 2: I need callers like you, okay, who are really effective
Speaker 2: and efficient. Thank you, appreciate it. Night you too. Let
Speaker 2: me go to Mark in Austin. Don't want Mark to
Speaker 2: have to wait through the newscast.
Speaker 5: Go ahead, Mark, Okay, thanks for taking my call. Then,
Speaker 5: I think this issue of the migrants, where the Heally
Speaker 5: administration is withholding the information supposed lead to protect the
Speaker 5: migrants from some kind of backlash. This is only the
Speaker 5: latest incident of a problem that's endemic on Beacon Hill.
Speaker 5: With openness and transparency. That means yes, Governor Healy won't
Speaker 5: even release her campaign contributions, even though she's legally retired
Speaker 5: required to do so. And the state Auditor, a nice
Speaker 5: woman wants to do her job in order to state legislature,
Speaker 5: and Speaker Marianna refuses, and every time it happens, the
Speaker 5: rest of us are left to wonder what are they hiding?
Speaker 2: Well, let me tell you this, Mark, You and I
Speaker 2: sometimes disagree, but you could not be more correct in
Speaker 2: my opinion. Tonight you're talking about the state Auditor, Diane
Speaker 2: Dezaglio we've had on this show. As a matter of fact,
Speaker 2: I think we might invite the auditor to come on
Speaker 2: later this week and talk about this specifically, ailed this
Speaker 2: one tonight for me. Mark, Yeah, yeah, And I wish
Speaker 2: I had mentioned auditor as ugly, oh, because she's up
Speaker 2: there fighting for all of us, not just taxpayers, but
Speaker 2: all of us who need to understand how this state
Speaker 2: is being run. And not only is what happening with
Speaker 2: our tax dollars, but other tax dollars being used effectively
Speaker 2: and efficiently. This hotels, Mark, who are being paid three
Speaker 2: hundred dollars a night guaranteed for an entire year or
Speaker 2: two years. This is a windfall. If I was a
Speaker 2: hotel owner, If you were a hotel owner and you
Speaker 2: own some sort of fleabag hotel somewhere that was never
Speaker 2: you know, at capacity, and all of a sudden, some
Speaker 2: guy walks in and says, hey, can we write you
Speaker 2: a check three hundred times three hundred and sixty five times,
Speaker 2: however many rooms you have, we would.
Speaker 5: Be yeah, thrilled. You know, I used to work as
Speaker 5: seasonally as the election supervisor. Yes, And there was this
Speaker 5: nice young woman graduate journalism student from China who'd never
Speaker 5: heard of the Voting Rights Act of nineteen sixty five.
Speaker 5: But it was right there in our procedures manual. So
Speaker 5: I explained it there and one of my bosses at
Speaker 5: city Hall, in the election department backed me up one
Speaker 5: hundred percent.
Speaker 2: Right, that's a little off topic to what we're talking
Speaker 2: about here, So let's say that story for another night,
Speaker 2: and let's just right right.
Speaker 5: The point is, you know, if it's legally a matter
Speaker 5: of public record, that should be that.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, let me tell you. When they run for office,
Speaker 2: they talk about transparency, and they talk about sunlight being
Speaker 2: the greatest disinfectant. But the only one up there who
Speaker 2: lives by that code of conduct, in my opinion, is
Speaker 2: the state Auditor, Diane Dezaglio. And she is persona non
Speaker 2: grata amongst the on Beacon Hill and let's hat so
Speaker 2: we will try to get here on in the next
Speaker 2: week we talk about this. And by the way, she
Speaker 2: happens to be a Democrat, which is great, which is.
Speaker 5: Because I think that's phone too yop about that.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Mark, appreciate you, Carl. I have a great night.
Speaker 2: We've got to take a break here for news. At
Speaker 2: the bottom of the hour, I get two lines at
Speaker 2: six one seven, two, five four ten thirty and one
Speaker 2: at six one seven, nine three one ten thirty. I
Speaker 2: want to hear from you on this one. The Boston
Speaker 2: Globe has taken a position today which is a huge
Speaker 2: surprise to me. It's it's journalism at its best, and
Speaker 2: I want to give the Globe credit where credit is due,
Speaker 2: and I hope some of you will do as well. Okay,
Speaker 2: if you're not subscribers to the Globe, that's why I'm
Speaker 2: telling you about this story today. This is good investigative journalism,
Speaker 2: and it's investigative journalism of an administration. I either heal
Speaker 2: the administration that the Globe has supported editorially and also
Speaker 2: on their newspages, but this carently was a step too far.
Speaker 2: And the Globe has called them out, and I say,
Speaker 2: hats off to the Globe. Let's talk about it here
Speaker 2: on Nightside. Coming right back after.
Speaker 1: This Night Side with Dan Ray on w BZ, Boston's
Speaker 1: news radio.
Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Kyle. Let me go to Mike
Speaker 2: in California. Mike, welcome you next on Nightside.
Speaker 6: Go right here, sir, Dan, first time, long time.
Speaker 2: Wow you. This is the third first team call in
Speaker 2: a row. Whereabouts in California?
Speaker 6: Join us from I split my time between the Bay
Speaker 6: Air in southern California, but I actually spend a third
Speaker 6: of my time in Massachusetts.
Speaker 2: Well, first of all, thank you very much, honored that
Speaker 2: you would. I've never had to the rest of my knowledge.
Speaker 2: We're we're coming into year eighteen here on Nightside. I
Speaker 2: can tell you it's spent a long time since we've
Speaker 2: had three first on Carlos in a row. Oh, thank
Speaker 2: you very much. Go right ahead.
Speaker 4: Full disclosure.
Speaker 6: You and I share a high school Alma Mada and more.
Speaker 6: Heley and I share a college on Malada.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, I got it.
Speaker 6: Okay, I just find it interesting on a couple of fronts. One,
Speaker 6: none of this is surprising, you know, I don't get
Speaker 6: into politics at all, but obviously the people in Massachusetts,
Speaker 6: wh I love continually electing people that you just really
Speaker 6: have to scratch your head. None of this was a surprise,
Speaker 6: and one of the things that's facing challenges my backgrounds
Speaker 6: in the military, the consulting in corporate world. Now, but
Speaker 6: you know, we're coming to a financial crisis in this
Speaker 6: country with the deficit, the fact that China owns half
Speaker 6: of our debt, the fact that we've done an alliance
Speaker 6: of China, Russia, Iran and possibly Turkey aligned against us,
Speaker 6: and we're focused on all the wrong stuff. And I
Speaker 6: just find it a little ironic that the Globe, who
Speaker 6: did a tremendous job in its spotlight series with the
Speaker 6: Catholic Church, who's done wonderful things, but get unacceptable things
Speaker 6: at time, that the healthy administration is following that same
Speaker 6: act of oh, there's a report of a sexual abuse.
Speaker 6: Let's not let's not chronicle it, let's not report it,
Speaker 6: let's just move the guy. Does that sound familion?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 2: Oh, actually exactly, you're talking about the the alleged rape
Speaker 2: at that Rockland shelter again, you know, by the way,
Speaker 2: by the way, just so you know, that defendant had
Speaker 2: his bail reduced to personal recognissance and was released, but
Speaker 2: ICE figured that out and they arrested him yesterday, so
Speaker 2: he will remain in custody as I understand, and I
Speaker 2: intend to probably reach.
Speaker 6: Out to SPI. I spent a third of my time
Speaker 6: in California, I spent a third time in New York
Speaker 6: and a third of my time in Massachusetts. And you know,
Speaker 6: what's going on in New York City is the same
Speaker 6: thing with with with with the revolving bail and really
Speaker 6: the people of all these cities, most of them good hardworking,
Speaker 6: decent people, have to wake up and figure out who
Speaker 6: they they want to vote for.
Speaker 3: Read the paper.
Speaker 6: I'm not a big I'm not a big fan of
Speaker 6: the Globe, but you've got to read it. And and
Speaker 6: we're on an inflection point right now in terms of
Speaker 6: not just domestically but globally how we want to address
Speaker 6: these issues. And you know, ninety percent of the people
Speaker 6: up there are just good, decent people that want to
Speaker 6: get their kids educated, support their kids, and what have you.
Speaker 6: And it's really unfortunate with and I got to say
Speaker 6: at the feckless political representation in the Massachusetts both at
Speaker 6: the state level, and and and in Congress. Uh, but
Speaker 6: people people keep electing them. You know, you have a
Speaker 6: terrific show. I listen to you because not only are
Speaker 6: you a high school alma model, but you run a
Speaker 6: very decent, informative show. And I think if the rest
Speaker 6: of the country looked at the decent and sensible way
Speaker 6: which you approach, you don't back down. You're not a
Speaker 6: you know, you're not a soft touch, but you demand
Speaker 6: decency and demand information. I really applied you free show,
Speaker 6: and that's why I call it.
Speaker 2: Well, Mike, I appreciate it very much. I'm honored that
Speaker 2: you're for that. You finally have called I hope you
Speaker 2: become a regular caller and you have identified what this
Speaker 2: show is supposed to be about. I'm very happy, uh,
Speaker 2: and gratified that the Globe has taken this step today.
Speaker 2: It had to have been a big step editorially for
Speaker 2: the And again I think sometimes their editorial philosophy has
Speaker 2: leaked over onto its news pages, and I've called them
Speaker 2: out on that. But this was an extraordinary piece. I
Speaker 2: hope the Globe continues and pursues it, and we'll see
Speaker 2: if they do. But we'll stay on top of it.
Speaker 2: We have the healthcare crisis going on here, which also,
Speaker 2: by the way, really in some ways is related back
Speaker 2: to the the priest pedophile crisis, which never should have happened,
Speaker 2: a disgrace to the Catholic Church, a disgrace to the
Speaker 2: leadership of the Catholic Church. We're trying to cover that up.
Speaker 2: And coming back to the point you made initially, this
Speaker 2: is the Healy administration falling into that same trap. So brilliant, call,
Speaker 2: I would expect nothing less from from a Boston Latin
Speaker 2: school man Suma's PREMI and a Harvard graduate.
Speaker 6: Dan, keep up, keep up the good work, all right, I.
Speaker 2: Will, and I would hope that you will become a
Speaker 2: regular contributor.
Speaker 3: Okay, just real quickly.
Speaker 6: I listened to you all over the world. Wherever I am,
Speaker 6: I listen. I listened to you all the time. The
Speaker 6: Internet's a wonderful thing, and it just let you know
Speaker 6: Boston's home. It lets me stay connected there and keep
Speaker 6: up the good work.
Speaker 2: I just came back from a trip with knightside listeners
Speaker 2: to Italy, and I got to tell you, no matter
Speaker 2: whenever I leave Boston, as thrilled as I am to
Speaker 2: go to another part of the world and experience their culture.
Speaker 2: It is always so gratifying to come back to this.
Speaker 6: I said to some of the other I want Dan
Speaker 6: Ray's job because you just get back from Ireland. Now
Speaker 6: is in Italy. It's a great time. Yeah, thank curious.
Speaker 2: Good night, Mike. Next time you Boston, give me a call,
Speaker 2: love to meet up with you. Appreciate it.
Speaker 6: Thanks well, thanks very much.
Speaker 2: All right, talk to you soon. Have a great one.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you a call like that makes my night,
Speaker 2: no question about it. Let me go to I lean
Speaker 2: in Waltham. I lean you in next on Nightsacker right ahead, Yeah, good.
Speaker 7: Ask what do you mean Dan, how are you good?
Speaker 2: I know you were not a first time caller, but
Speaker 2: you are just as valued. I want you to know that.
Speaker 3: Go right ahead, go ahead.
Speaker 7: First of all, this is not a new problem.
Speaker 3: It's an old problem.
Speaker 7: It's just become exacerbated over the last year or so.
Speaker 7: I have hired people to work for me and find
Speaker 7: out they have social security licenses everything, and they're here illegally. Sure,
Speaker 7: So it's been happening for a long time. It just
Speaker 7: has become more aggressive. And my question and one of
Speaker 7: the questions, we're not answering is why is it being
Speaker 7: a looved yea, that's what we need, that's the root cause,
Speaker 7: and that's what we need to get out.
Speaker 2: Well, I'll give you an answer. I will give you
Speaker 2: an answer. If you want an answer.
Speaker 7: I'll give you the answer to it, but you'll give
Speaker 7: me yours list.
Speaker 2: Well, my answer is that there are a lot of
Speaker 2: people in this country, particularly in the legal community, okay,
Speaker 2: who view their purpose not of enforcing the law, but
Speaker 2: they view their purpose as somehow evading the law for
Speaker 2: causes in which they happen to personally believe. So, for example,
Speaker 2: you have people here who believe that America should be
Speaker 2: open to everyone on earth, despite what you know, what
Speaker 2: we represent as a country. You know, we we have
Speaker 2: an open immigration policy. All you have to do is
Speaker 2: go to a consulate or to an embassy somewhere in
Speaker 2: the world and applied to to immigrate here. But we
Speaker 2: have a right as a country, uh to to with
Speaker 2: to to run our own borders and to and to
Speaker 2: have borders. But there are people here who view our
Speaker 2: form of government and our economy as something There was
Speaker 2: an article in the Globe today about these uh, the
Speaker 2: these these fabian socialists out in western Massachusetts who were
Speaker 2: who are still enthralled with UH Marx and Lenin and
Speaker 2: Engles and Castro and UH and whomever else they might
Speaker 2: and they're having these great meetings and they admit openly
Speaker 2: they want to change our system. So you have those folks,
Speaker 2: and then you have people within the legal community who
Speaker 2: are trying to use our own constitution, which is a
Speaker 2: great document against against us, and they're they're they're ready
Speaker 2: to UH to support people who have come here with
Speaker 2: ill intent, have crossed our border knowing that they are
Speaker 2: breaking our immigration laws, they are not complying with our system.
Speaker 2: But you have these willing accomplishments, accomplishes, accomplices, accomplish accomplices
Speaker 2: in the Civil Liberties Union UH. The Civil Liberties Union
Speaker 2: originally was founded to defend and protect free speech. Now
Speaker 2: the levels the Civil Liberties Union is a group of
Speaker 2: political activists who feel that immigration and open borders how
Speaker 2: this country should be run. Go ahead, your your your answer,
Speaker 2: You answer your own question.
Speaker 7: First of all, let me quote I one of my
Speaker 7: best friends started the Irish Immigration Center years ago. They
Speaker 7: did great work and they helped people who really wanted
Speaker 7: to come here become part of America, help them with
Speaker 7: their paper, everything together here, and they had English. First
Speaker 7: of all, most of these people, a lot of these
Speaker 7: they don't speak English. That creates a huge disruption of
Speaker 7: your society when forty percent of people can't speak English.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's a balkanization argument, and I tend to
Speaker 2: agree with that. But if someone comes here and wants
Speaker 2: to assimilate, I don't want to keep people out of
Speaker 2: the country because they don't speak English. Because people can
Speaker 2: learn learn it.
Speaker 7: They're not even interested in learning it. Kind of the
Speaker 7: deal with the people I hied that they didn't speak
Speaker 7: English is that they I would help them. I would
Speaker 7: try the lords of Finish, and they should try the
Speaker 7: Lords of English. They need no more attempt to do so.
Speaker 7: It was too hot.
Speaker 2: Well that's a problem.
Speaker 7: That's a problem, and they watch Sesame Street. You can
Speaker 7: learn English.
Speaker 2: Did you see the piece in the globe we're talking
Speaker 2: about today? If I could ask that question.
Speaker 7: But this also makes a roadblock for regular employees English speaking.
Speaker 7: You know, a company like mine to hire people. It
Speaker 7: just roughs your teamwork. There was no team work when
Speaker 7: half of your employees time to communicate the other half
Speaker 7: of your employees.
Speaker 2: I agree. I understand that that's called the simulation.
Speaker 7: We had that problem where we're doing a job and
Speaker 7: half of the people are sitting over there eating the
Speaker 7: picture I just bought, and half of the people are
Speaker 7: sitting over there eat the picture I just bought.
Speaker 2: You know, Okay, I mean I think I think that
Speaker 2: we are essentially in agreement on this. My question to
Speaker 2: you is, did you did you happen to see the
Speaker 2: globe the piece I'm talking about tonight.
Speaker 7: No, but I will get it and read it. But
Speaker 7: here's the thing, if you if you want Lizzy there,
Speaker 7: Senator Losey recently they the statement that she wanted to
Speaker 7: make a path the citizenship for all these.
Speaker 2: People who said that of Senate Senator Warren Well, right,
Speaker 2: that's exactly. She made it very clear. That's the purpose,
Speaker 2: that's the goal, that is the goal.
Speaker 7: But if you go to Mexico, you have to learn
Speaker 7: studis to become a Mexican citizen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and again to learn German.
Speaker 2: Well, we may have lost that argument here, Okay. I
Speaker 2: don't know that we can impose or that that language
Speaker 2: requirement on potential immigrants, but I think we need to
Speaker 2: be able to say if you're going to come here,
Speaker 2: we got to know who you are. We got to
Speaker 2: know what your skills are. We want to know why
Speaker 2: you're coming here, and we will make a decision as
Speaker 2: to whether or not we accept you. And if you
Speaker 2: happen to be a nurse or a doctor who's qualified
Speaker 2: coming here from a place like Bangladesh, you go to
Speaker 2: the front of the line. If you're a lawyer coming
Speaker 2: here from Ireland, we had probably too many lawyers in America,
Speaker 2: you go to the back of the link. Think, well,
Speaker 2: I'm already here. I was born here. I was lucky.
Speaker 2: But I'm also a dual citizen. I have my Irish
Speaker 2: citizenship as well. But I did it the right way.
Speaker 2: I didn't break into Ireland. I have through you know,
Speaker 2: through their their immigration law, so I have a dual citizenship.
Speaker 7: These politicians think these people can come and just get jobs.
Speaker 7: It's not that easy.
Speaker 2: I agree, I agree, pay I lean. I got to
Speaker 2: run here because I'm way past my broadcasting.
Speaker 7: I wanted to say quickly, is the cost to US
Speaker 7: school system, especially Boston is astronomical, no question.
Speaker 2: And you don't even count it in terms of dollars.
Speaker 2: You counted in terms of lost learning time, simple as that. Ilean,
Speaker 2: thank you, gotta go bye bye. We'll take a quick break.
Speaker 2: Coming right back on nightside. We got some open lines
Speaker 2: six one seven, four ten thirty, six one, seven thirty.
Speaker 2: This is a I think, an extraordinary opportunity to one
Speaker 2: agree with the Globe and also commend them for taking
Speaker 2: a position that probably caused some discomfort within some aspects
Speaker 2: of the newsroom. Uh. This is this is a good
Speaker 2: piece of journalism we're talking about.
Speaker 1: Now back to Dan Ray Mine from the window World,
Speaker 1: light Side Studios on w b Z, the news radio.
Speaker 2: Back to the poosergos. Go to Eileen and Hull. Eileen,
Speaker 2: welcome back. How are you?
Speaker 8: Oh well, I'm doing okay, but I had to call
Speaker 8: about this. I didn't read the article, uh in the Globe,
Speaker 8: but I will read it. And my issue is government
Speaker 8: responsibility should be first of all, for for the citizens
Speaker 8: of our state who've been here lie long. And I
Speaker 8: happen to have a very unpopular need which is almost
Speaker 8: not mentionable, which is a son with mental illness who
Speaker 8: requires care, and the state is really not doing as
Speaker 8: much as they should for the people that they purged
Speaker 8: from mental hospitals. It's a very unpopular issue, but it's
Speaker 8: the issue that I'm dealing with.
Speaker 2: I agree with you. I agree with you, Eileen, and
Speaker 2: I think that more attention needs to be given to that,
Speaker 2: and we can do follow up stories on that, particularly
Speaker 2: in the context of what's going on with this. But
Speaker 2: I can't focus a lot on this on that tonight.
Speaker 2: But I think it's good that you made that point,
Speaker 2: because it's a good counterpoint that as we focus all
Speaker 2: of this attention on people who have just arrived, we're
Speaker 2: ignoring people who are here and who need help. And
Speaker 2: I thank you for joining us.
Speaker 3: Okay, thank you, appreciate.
Speaker 2: It, well said Next up, Pauline and air. Pauline, you
Speaker 2: were next on nice, I go right ahead.
Speaker 7: Good, can you hear me?
Speaker 2: Okay, well, if you get off the speakerphone, you'd be
Speaker 2: just perfect. So can you get off the speakerphone. Let's
Speaker 2: put Pauline on hold, Folks. Someone should have told her
Speaker 2: to get off the speakerphone. Let me go to Kathy
Speaker 2: in Boston. Kathy, Pauline, we'll get back to you, I promise.
Speaker 2: Go ahead, Kathy, Hey, welcome, how are you.
Speaker 9: I don't have a problem with the migrants, but I
Speaker 9: have a problem of you not taking care of your
Speaker 9: household is like me saying I will not feed my
Speaker 9: kids and go and feed someone else kids and I
Speaker 9: and you know you should. For example, I was out.
Speaker 9: I'm a mail carrier. I was hurt. I was hurt
Speaker 9: and I was and I wasn't getting my full pay
Speaker 9: and I need an extra help. And I I applied
Speaker 9: to SNAP benefits and I was four hundred and something
Speaker 9: our dollars away from the cutoff point, and I still
Speaker 9: think qualifying.
Speaker 2: Well, again, that's the point, you know, we should be generous.
Speaker 2: I mean, if you're a mail carryer and you get hurt,
Speaker 2: if you're somebody who's working get hurt, you you need
Speaker 2: to get some more help. It's as simple as that.
Speaker 2: But again, we only have so much money. And when
Speaker 2: we take and divert a billion dollars a year, tell
Speaker 2: people who have come here and have never lived here.
Speaker 2: I mean, at some point that money's being taken away,
Speaker 2: not only from the taxpayers, but from people like you
Speaker 2: who probably are a taxpayer as well. And you now
Speaker 2: need some, you know, some help. In what we call
Speaker 2: the commonwealth. The politicians always say it's the commonwealth, Well,
Speaker 2: it's the commonwealth. For people who live in the Commonwealth.
Speaker 2: It should not be the Commonwealth for the rest of.
Speaker 9: The world because it's like, for instance, I was mad
Speaker 9: at the guy it was I said, I don't mean
Speaker 9: to be mad at you, but may work in sixty
Speaker 9: plus hours a week, I cannot even get a time
Speaker 9: need bit of help. Then I'm really needing it.
Speaker 2: Couldn't agree with you more, you know, So they.
Speaker 9: Should take some of that money and put aside for
Speaker 9: people like myself and others, you know, in situations as
Speaker 9: you said that needs to help, then they need it.
Speaker 2: Well you have you heard Eileen from how she has
Speaker 2: a son who is not getting the help he needs
Speaker 2: dealing with some you know, some some some mental issues, okay,
Speaker 2: and then you have someone like yourself, you have a
Speaker 2: physical need to get back to work. Couldn't agree with
Speaker 2: both of you more. But the problem is it's it's sexier,
Speaker 2: it's it's more laudable in the minds of some people
Speaker 2: that somehow the people who will come here go to
Speaker 2: the head of the line, and that's just wrong. I
Speaker 2: loved you call Kathy, I hope have you have you
Speaker 2: called me before?
Speaker 3: This?
Speaker 2: It's your first time?
Speaker 9: No, it is the first time.
Speaker 2: We got to give you round in Foss and I
Speaker 2: hope you will come back and and and talk talk
Speaker 2: more about your situation.
Speaker 7: Okay, Okay, thank you, Thanks Kathy, have.
Speaker 2: A great night. Okay, we're up at the eleven Pauline
Speaker 2: from air callback. We'll get you up. We'll be back
Speaker 2: right after eleven o'clock news