WEBVTT 1 00:00:05.120 --> 00:00:06.400 Old years bolts. 2 00:00:06.960 --> 00:00:07.960 It's show tied. 3 00:00:08.679 --> 00:00:10.599 People say good money to see this movie. 4 00:00:10.919 --> 00:00:12.160 When they go out to a theater. 5 00:00:12.439 --> 00:00:16.199 They are cold sodas, hot popcorn, and no monsters in 6 00:00:16.239 --> 00:00:17.199 the protection booth. 7 00:00:17.359 --> 00:00:19.199 Everyone for tend podcasting isn't boring. 8 00:00:20.239 --> 00:00:21.079 Cut it off. 9 00:00:41.200 --> 00:00:44.399 This holiday season. Let Paramount Pictures take you for the 10 00:00:44.479 --> 00:00:48.280 right of your life with Airplane to the sequel. Get 11 00:00:48.399 --> 00:00:51.759 your ticket for the funniest movie of the year. Airplane 12 00:00:51.799 --> 00:00:53.439 two the sequel. 13 00:00:53.359 --> 00:00:57.119 I got smoking, not smoking, first class coach economy by 14 00:00:57.159 --> 00:01:00.000 an hour by the window. 15 00:01:00.119 --> 00:01:05.519 Plane two the sequel reunites old friends Ted have. 16 00:01:05.599 --> 00:01:07.200 The strangest feeling. 17 00:01:07.319 --> 00:01:09.920 We've been through this exact same thing. 18 00:01:10.120 --> 00:01:13.359 For except this time I know exactly what I'm doing. 19 00:01:13.439 --> 00:01:13.840 Lane. 20 00:01:16.319 --> 00:01:19.319 Well, my goodness, Scraps is a boy dog, isn't he. 21 00:01:19.920 --> 00:01:21.879 Airplane two will gives you more drama. 22 00:01:22.760 --> 00:01:24.319 We've been thrown off course. 23 00:01:24.560 --> 00:01:25.239 Just to Tad. 24 00:01:25.519 --> 00:01:28.879 In space terms, that's about half a million miles. The 25 00:01:28.959 --> 00:01:30.280 bunch you feel are. 26 00:01:30.200 --> 00:01:33.159 Asteroids smashing into the hull of this ship. 27 00:01:34.439 --> 00:01:36.000 We're also out of coffee. 28 00:01:38.640 --> 00:01:42.760 More action that your puppy's done, Yeah, Scraping, he's going 29 00:01:42.799 --> 00:01:43.640 to the MoU with us. 30 00:01:44.079 --> 00:01:46.760 Oh no, I'm sorry. No, dogs are allowed on the shuttle. 31 00:01:46.799 --> 00:01:52.359 I'm afraid scraps will have to be shot and more romance. 32 00:01:52.760 --> 00:01:54.840 Sir, you should really put that case in the compartment 33 00:01:54.879 --> 00:01:55.560 above your head. 34 00:01:56.680 --> 00:01:57.480 I'll keep it with it. 35 00:01:57.920 --> 00:01:59.719 Why I can help you if you can't get it up. 36 00:02:00.200 --> 00:02:01.599 A word is out. 37 00:02:01.920 --> 00:02:05.319 Now what kind of travelers checks were they give? We're 38 00:02:05.359 --> 00:02:08.560 American excess. Huh, I'm afraid you're screwed. 39 00:02:09.039 --> 00:02:16.599 Oh see Airplane two the sequel. Because it will grow 40 00:02:16.680 --> 00:02:19.599 hair on bald men, make fat ladies thin, Let fish 41 00:02:19.639 --> 00:02:21.639 breathe out of water, make blind men see. 42 00:02:21.800 --> 00:02:24.199 You've hope to the depressed, to the downtrodden. Let the 43 00:02:24.199 --> 00:02:27.240 sun shine on the cody day, remove warts, help convicts 44 00:02:27.240 --> 00:02:30.280 go straight, clear up, addskin, turn an upside. 45 00:02:29.919 --> 00:02:31.240 Down, take right side up. 46 00:02:32.680 --> 00:02:34.879 And by the way, you may now remove your three 47 00:02:34.960 --> 00:02:37.960 D glasses and immediately return them to the attendant. 48 00:02:37.560 --> 00:02:38.159 In the lobby. 49 00:02:38.360 --> 00:02:40.560 We hope your use of these glasses has enhanced your 50 00:02:40.639 --> 00:02:43.919 enjoyment of scenes from Airplane Too, the sequel, The funniest 51 00:02:43.960 --> 00:02:49.199 comedy of the year, Airplane two, the sequel. 52 00:02:54.680 --> 00:02:57.080 Welcome to the projection booth. I'm your host, Mike White. 53 00:02:57.120 --> 00:03:01.319 Join me once again as mister Mark Begley. 54 00:02:59.800 --> 00:03:02.800 And then we ended up in Fresno. Fresno. No one 55 00:03:02.840 --> 00:03:03.960 goes to Fresno anymore. 56 00:03:04.759 --> 00:03:07.520 Also back in the booth is mister Chris Tashue. 57 00:03:07.879 --> 00:03:10.719 How many kids get a chance to live on another planet. 58 00:03:11.080 --> 00:03:14.520 We're returning to some familiar territory that we discussed on 59 00:03:14.560 --> 00:03:18.879 our Police Squad in color series with Ken Finkleman's Airplane 60 00:03:18.879 --> 00:03:23.759 two of the sequel, known in Spanish as I Piloto. 61 00:03:24.199 --> 00:03:27.199 The film was released in nineteen eighty two December and 62 00:03:27.280 --> 00:03:31.280 reunite viewers with Robert Hayes as Ted Striker, Julie Haggerty 63 00:03:31.319 --> 00:03:34.039 as Elaine Dickinson, as well as a few other familiar 64 00:03:34.120 --> 00:03:37.680 faces like Peter Graves as Captain Over, Lloyd Bridges as 65 00:03:37.680 --> 00:03:42.479 Steve McCroskey, Steven Stucker as Jacobs, David Leisure or Leisure 66 00:03:42.599 --> 00:03:46.120 as a Jehovah's witness, and a few other passengers that 67 00:03:46.199 --> 00:03:50.159 include Al White as a jive talker. Airplane two is 68 00:03:50.199 --> 00:03:53.599 set in the near future where space travel is common 69 00:03:53.680 --> 00:03:56.919 for people just like Katie Gary. This time it's up 70 00:03:56.960 --> 00:03:59.639 to Ted Striker to try and save an experimental space 71 00:03:59.639 --> 00:04:02.520 shuttle on its way to the Moon, and a sequel 72 00:04:02.560 --> 00:04:05.080 that's very much in the If you liked it before, 73 00:04:05.199 --> 00:04:08.159 you'll like it again, Vade. We'll be discussing that and 74 00:04:08.240 --> 00:04:10.639 a whole lot more as we go along, and I 75 00:04:10.680 --> 00:04:12.560 guess I should say that we're going to get into 76 00:04:12.560 --> 00:04:15.960 some spoilers, but that's not important right now. Mark, when 77 00:04:16.040 --> 00:04:18.240 was the first time you saw Airplane Too the sequel? 78 00:04:18.319 --> 00:04:19.279 And what did you think? 79 00:04:19.959 --> 00:04:22.439 A don't remember. I don't know if I saw this 80 00:04:22.480 --> 00:04:25.720 in the theater. I always thought I did, because I 81 00:04:25.759 --> 00:04:29.279 knew that there was a reference to Fresno, which is 82 00:04:29.319 --> 00:04:34.120 my hometown where I live currently. In anytime anything mentioned Fresno, 83 00:04:34.439 --> 00:04:40.600 I automatically locked it in my brain. Although knowing that 84 00:04:40.680 --> 00:04:45.199 there were four pairs of boobies exposed in this film 85 00:04:45.399 --> 00:04:48.639 and I don't remember that at all, leads me to 86 00:04:48.639 --> 00:04:51.040 believe that I didn't see this until it was on TV, 87 00:04:51.759 --> 00:04:55.519 because I guarantee you it would have been renting the 88 00:04:55.560 --> 00:04:58.240 fuck out of this movie knowing that it was PG 89 00:04:58.399 --> 00:05:01.839 and I could get away with it and I'd see boobies. 90 00:05:01.920 --> 00:05:04.680 So I don't know. I don't know if it was 91 00:05:05.600 --> 00:05:08.199 in the theater. I don't know if it was VHS 92 00:05:08.399 --> 00:05:13.399 or TV showing. I don't remember much else other than 93 00:05:13.439 --> 00:05:20.439 that Fresnel line, and nothing really struck me as all 94 00:05:20.480 --> 00:05:24.759 that nostalgic or anything other than that, and so I 95 00:05:24.839 --> 00:05:27.439 have no idea. So going into it, I was like 96 00:05:27.519 --> 00:05:31.600 an eighties comedy sequel, it's going to be diminishing returns. 97 00:05:32.680 --> 00:05:37.680 And as the jokes flew in that opening segment there, 98 00:05:37.959 --> 00:05:40.879 as the credits are rolling, and then a little bit 99 00:05:40.959 --> 00:05:43.319 after that, I thought, oh, this is a fucking joke. 100 00:05:43.360 --> 00:05:47.240 A minute, We're sticking with that same formula, and I'm 101 00:05:47.360 --> 00:05:51.959 enjoying most of these visual gags and puns and what 102 00:05:52.240 --> 00:05:55.959 is it that repeat throughout the film? And I thought, oh, okay, 103 00:05:56.040 --> 00:06:00.800 this is going well. I'm okay with this. And can't 104 00:06:00.800 --> 00:06:03.279 say what my initial thoughts were of the film, but 105 00:06:03.800 --> 00:06:07.160 on watching it this time for the show, I really 106 00:06:07.240 --> 00:06:08.040 quite enjoyed it. 107 00:06:08.680 --> 00:06:09.800 And Chris, how about yourself? 108 00:06:10.439 --> 00:06:13.120 I believe I saw this film sometime in the mid 109 00:06:13.120 --> 00:06:17.800 two thousands. I owned it on DVD and I received 110 00:06:17.839 --> 00:06:22.680 it via trade through a person to person DVD trading service. 111 00:06:22.720 --> 00:06:24.480 I can't remember what the name of it was, but 112 00:06:24.800 --> 00:06:27.199 it was a really good idea and there was definitely 113 00:06:27.240 --> 00:06:30.040 a market for it at the time, for the group 114 00:06:30.079 --> 00:06:32.920 of people that were into trading DVDs amongst each other 115 00:06:33.519 --> 00:06:36.079 and getting access to things that you would not have 116 00:06:36.079 --> 00:06:39.040 had access to otherwise. I remember having access to those 117 00:06:39.240 --> 00:06:42.240 weird versions of Evil Dead because there's six or seven 118 00:06:42.360 --> 00:06:44.439 versions of Army of Darkness and Evil Dead that came 119 00:06:44.480 --> 00:06:47.759 out on DVD. Because of that, I have most of them, 120 00:06:47.800 --> 00:06:50.279 and I would not have any of them otherwise. So 121 00:06:50.399 --> 00:06:53.199 I know I got this movie through that peer to 122 00:06:53.279 --> 00:06:57.720 peer trading service. I don't remember much about it. I 123 00:06:57.920 --> 00:07:03.240 remember unlike Mark, I remember not like it. So I 124 00:07:03.439 --> 00:07:06.120 was worried this time watching it now that this was 125 00:07:06.160 --> 00:07:09.240 going to be a slog in the vein of slogs 126 00:07:09.279 --> 00:07:12.199 that we have done. You didn't mention the Chevy Chase podcast, 127 00:07:12.600 --> 00:07:14.800 but some of the Chevy Chase movies that we've done 128 00:07:14.920 --> 00:07:18.240 have been slogs, and some of them have been sequel flogs, 129 00:07:18.279 --> 00:07:22.000 like Caddy Shack Too, which, by the way, Caddy Shack 130 00:07:22.079 --> 00:07:23.519 Too is so bad? 131 00:07:23.839 --> 00:07:24.920 How bad does it? 132 00:07:24.920 --> 00:07:26.720 It makes this movie look like a masterpiece, And this 133 00:07:26.800 --> 00:07:30.079 movie's actually quite good. I actually really enjoyed Airplane Too 134 00:07:30.319 --> 00:07:32.800 as much as Mark put it very afterly, like if 135 00:07:32.800 --> 00:07:35.040 you liked the first one, this is a joke, A 136 00:07:35.160 --> 00:07:37.600 minute fest just like the first one. It is, and 137 00:07:37.639 --> 00:07:39.839 in a lot of ways, there are a lot of 138 00:07:40.759 --> 00:07:43.439 gags that the first movie does that this movie also does. 139 00:07:43.519 --> 00:07:46.759 But I would also say that this movie does those 140 00:07:46.879 --> 00:07:50.600 gags and does interesting things with them that I wouldn't 141 00:07:50.639 --> 00:07:54.279 expect this movie to do, or any movie to do. 142 00:07:54.360 --> 00:07:56.959 And in a lot of ways, this movie is uniquely 143 00:07:57.000 --> 00:07:59.800 suited to do those jokes because it's a sequel to 144 00:08:00.120 --> 00:08:02.399 the movie that did those jokes. If any movie is 145 00:08:02.439 --> 00:08:05.160 allowed to do this thing that Airplane did, it's Airplane two. 146 00:08:05.879 --> 00:08:09.079 And if you liked Airplane one and the jokes and 147 00:08:09.199 --> 00:08:12.480 gags of Airplane one, Airplane two is literally more of 148 00:08:12.519 --> 00:08:15.759 the same. In this case, that's not a bad thing. 149 00:08:16.120 --> 00:08:18.839 I don't think it's a bad thing. I think this 150 00:08:18.879 --> 00:08:21.720 movie has its problems. This movie is not a perfect 151 00:08:21.759 --> 00:08:23.639 film by any stretch of the imagination. I don't think 152 00:08:23.680 --> 00:08:26.800 anybody who comes onto any one of our shows expects 153 00:08:26.800 --> 00:08:30.199 to hear us say like perfect movies, because we rarely 154 00:08:30.279 --> 00:08:32.080 run into those films, but we do run into them 155 00:08:32.080 --> 00:08:34.159 from time to time. I think this movie is a 156 00:08:34.639 --> 00:08:40.200 perfectly serviceable comedy sequel. And to Mark's initial point, the 157 00:08:40.279 --> 00:08:45.159 eighties and comedy sequels that is not a necessarily like 158 00:08:45.879 --> 00:08:48.480 peanut butter and jelly combination, at least not in terms 159 00:08:48.519 --> 00:08:51.159 of going together or complimentary. And again I would use 160 00:08:51.200 --> 00:08:54.960 Caddyshack two as a obvious example of that, though, what 161 00:08:55.080 --> 00:08:55.840 about you, Mike. 162 00:08:56.639 --> 00:08:58.840 You know, I don't remember the first time I saw this. 163 00:08:58.879 --> 00:09:01.919 I might have seen it the metrically back in eighty two, 164 00:09:02.519 --> 00:09:05.519 maybe I would have been ten years old. But this 165 00:09:05.639 --> 00:09:09.120 movie is indelibly printed on my brain. There are a 166 00:09:09.159 --> 00:09:10.960 lot of jokes in here, and I had to go 167 00:09:11.039 --> 00:09:14.200 back to the first airplane and rewatch that just to 168 00:09:14.279 --> 00:09:17.879 make sure that it wasn't just a duplicate gag. There 169 00:09:17.879 --> 00:09:20.320 are a couple gags where I'm like, oh, I thought 170 00:09:20.320 --> 00:09:22.720 that was an airplane, but no, they were actually doing 171 00:09:22.799 --> 00:09:25.440 it themselves. I want to say, the little Breeder gag 172 00:09:25.679 --> 00:09:28.440 is one, and that's just something that I thought was 173 00:09:28.440 --> 00:09:31.120 an airplane. So there are a lot of gags in 174 00:09:31.200 --> 00:09:34.000 Airplane two that were so good that I thought for 175 00:09:34.080 --> 00:09:37.080 sure they were in the first one. So even at 176 00:09:37.120 --> 00:09:41.240 the mental hospital, like checking the guy's oil and refilling 177 00:09:41.279 --> 00:09:44.519 his oil in all this, like behind Striker, because that 178 00:09:44.639 --> 00:09:47.120 was the thing I think Finklman really captured very well. 179 00:09:47.279 --> 00:09:51.240 Is we talk about the whole like the cognizant of 180 00:09:51.279 --> 00:09:54.240 the background when it comes to Airplane or any of 181 00:09:54.279 --> 00:09:58.440 the other zaz movies, right, And Finckelman captures that. There's 182 00:09:58.480 --> 00:10:00.240 a lot of stuff that he captures. And I have 183 00:10:00.279 --> 00:10:03.759 to say him and Al Jean and Mike Reese who 184 00:10:04.120 --> 00:10:07.600 would later go on to produce The Simpsons for years 185 00:10:07.600 --> 00:10:12.960 and years, and the three of them, they crafted some 186 00:10:13.399 --> 00:10:17.480 amazing jokes. And also the Macho Grande. I thought that 187 00:10:17.559 --> 00:10:20.720 all of Macho Grandi was in the first movie. That's 188 00:10:20.799 --> 00:10:23.000 how wonderfully written that is. 189 00:10:23.240 --> 00:10:26.320 Oh it's not it's not over. Macho Grande is only 190 00:10:26.360 --> 00:10:26.799 in the second. 191 00:10:26.960 --> 00:10:29.320 Interesting. Yeah, I thought they were referencing because I know 192 00:10:29.440 --> 00:10:32.519 he cracked up. That's why he was in the mental 193 00:10:32.519 --> 00:10:34.679 hospital in the first film. And I thought, oh, they're 194 00:10:34.720 --> 00:10:39.519 just referencing pretty consistently throughout the film, the first film. 195 00:10:39.600 --> 00:10:42.399 But that's why I exactly the same thing. I thought 196 00:10:42.440 --> 00:10:46.320 that Fresno gag was from Airplane because I don't really 197 00:10:46.320 --> 00:10:50.360 remember seeing Airplane too. And I did an episode of 198 00:10:50.360 --> 00:10:53.000 my show where I called all these clips of films 199 00:10:53.039 --> 00:10:56.840 that referenced Fresno, and so I kept putting an airplane 200 00:10:56.879 --> 00:11:00.639 Fresno gag and it's no direct me to this, and 201 00:11:00.679 --> 00:11:03.320 I'm like, oh, I obviously saw it at some point 202 00:11:03.639 --> 00:11:07.919 because it's one of the characters from Airplane, right. I mean, 203 00:11:07.960 --> 00:11:12.279 he's one of what four recurring characters in the two films, 204 00:11:12.559 --> 00:11:13.360 Stephen Stucker. 205 00:11:13.759 --> 00:11:17.320 No Leslie Nielsen, because what was Leslie Nielsen doing instead 206 00:11:17.480 --> 00:11:20.279 Police Squad in the TV show, Which is wild to 207 00:11:20.320 --> 00:11:22.919 think about it and of itself, because that feels like 208 00:11:23.000 --> 00:11:26.240 such a logical progression from this And to your point, Mike, 209 00:11:26.600 --> 00:11:28.600 the biggest success of this movie is it feels like 210 00:11:28.639 --> 00:11:31.120 it was directed by Zias and that is a huge 211 00:11:31.159 --> 00:11:34.120 positive because it's not directed by Ball. 212 00:11:34.399 --> 00:11:36.320 I thought it was going to be more like the 213 00:11:36.720 --> 00:11:41.759 episodes of Police Squad that they weren't so directly involved in, 214 00:11:41.879 --> 00:11:47.080 where you get the pale comparison even that late Joe Dante. 215 00:11:47.919 --> 00:11:50.519 And I'm speaking for myself, but I believe we all 216 00:11:50.639 --> 00:11:54.120 kind of love or adore Joe Dante. But that second 217 00:11:54.200 --> 00:11:57.559 episode that he directed was just one of the worst 218 00:11:57.639 --> 00:12:03.960 because it wasn't following those zaz Gag rules of you know, 219 00:12:03.960 --> 00:12:06.200 if you've got something going in the background, you don't 220 00:12:06.240 --> 00:12:08.480 have something going on in the foreground. You just have 221 00:12:09.480 --> 00:12:14.399 exhibition or whatever happening in the foreground, or not calling 222 00:12:14.480 --> 00:12:19.080 attention to the gags, although Robert Hayes does do that 223 00:12:19.399 --> 00:12:21.960 in this film quite a bit. I was surprised. I 224 00:12:22.000 --> 00:12:23.639 don't know if it's more than in the first, but 225 00:12:23.720 --> 00:12:26.720 the kind of knowing glance, the bugging, either fourth wall 226 00:12:26.799 --> 00:12:30.360 breaking or just rolling your eyes at the gag, and 227 00:12:30.399 --> 00:12:33.000 that's stuff that seemed to permeate more in the later 228 00:12:33.080 --> 00:12:36.919 stuff in Airplane that rarely happens, and even in the 229 00:12:36.960 --> 00:12:39.320 early episodes of Police Squad, it's like, you don't call 230 00:12:39.360 --> 00:12:42.440 attention to the absurdity of the joke. Somebody's got to 231 00:12:42.440 --> 00:12:45.759 play it straight, and Robert Hayes, a striker for the 232 00:12:45.799 --> 00:12:50.840 most part, is our straight man. But the side glances 233 00:12:50.919 --> 00:12:53.120 and the things like that seem to play out a 234 00:12:53.120 --> 00:12:55.799 lot more in this one, which to me is I 235 00:12:55.840 --> 00:13:00.440 don't need to be told that this was funny, Like 236 00:13:00.679 --> 00:13:02.559 I'm either going to get it or I'm not. There's 237 00:13:02.720 --> 00:13:05.519 a gag when he shows up to the airport where 238 00:13:05.519 --> 00:13:10.240 he's in the back of a pickup truck, and if 239 00:13:10.240 --> 00:13:12.399 you've never seen Invasion of the Body Snatchers are going 240 00:13:12.440 --> 00:13:15.080 to miss that gag, and it's as a kid, I 241 00:13:15.159 --> 00:13:18.159 probably would have completely missed it, but here I'm catching it. 242 00:13:18.159 --> 00:13:20.200 They don't call attention to it. That's the whole point 243 00:13:20.200 --> 00:13:24.240 of that. You just see these big pods in the 244 00:13:24.279 --> 00:13:27.240 back ever so briefly. And I don't know if the 245 00:13:27.320 --> 00:13:29.919 name on the truck has anything to do with the 246 00:13:29.960 --> 00:13:32.639 movie or which movie it would have. Both of those 247 00:13:32.639 --> 00:13:36.480 movies have trucks with pods carrying places around the country. 248 00:13:36.519 --> 00:13:39.480 But stuff like that I enjoy, Like I don't call 249 00:13:39.480 --> 00:13:41.399 it out to me, let me figure it out myself 250 00:13:41.679 --> 00:13:44.039 in multiple viewings, or if I get it on the 251 00:13:44.039 --> 00:13:48.440 first take, great, But yeah, the sideline glances bugged me 252 00:13:48.440 --> 00:13:50.919 in this. And that was about it though. And I 253 00:13:50.919 --> 00:13:53.399 think Chris, you made a very good point. Is if 254 00:13:53.440 --> 00:13:56.360 there's going to be a movie that riffs on itself, 255 00:13:56.840 --> 00:13:59.240 this is a perfect way to do that. 256 00:14:00.039 --> 00:14:02.039 Only one that's allowed to and not like allowed it 257 00:14:02.159 --> 00:14:03.720 makes sense, It makes the most sense. 258 00:14:03.840 --> 00:14:05.279 Yeah, it does make sense. 259 00:14:05.639 --> 00:14:07.639 Let some other people come in and riff, and that 260 00:14:07.799 --> 00:14:10.039 is what this movie feels like. I feel like we're 261 00:14:10.039 --> 00:14:12.480 also uniquely suited to have this conversation. It is not 262 00:14:12.639 --> 00:14:17.360 Caddyshack too Caddyshack two is a fucking abomination of a film. 263 00:14:17.679 --> 00:14:21.879 It's so bad that the director had like issues afterwards 264 00:14:21.919 --> 00:14:24.919 because of it. He more or less disavows the movie. 265 00:14:24.960 --> 00:14:28.559 Alan Arkish is someone who one of our creative partner's father, Malone, 266 00:14:28.679 --> 00:14:30.679 is friends with was on one of the Blu Ray 267 00:14:30.759 --> 00:14:33.559 releases for a movie. But that's like a known thing, 268 00:14:33.679 --> 00:14:35.840 is that movie is so bad and was hacked up 269 00:14:35.879 --> 00:14:38.600 and taken apart and put back together so poorly that 270 00:14:38.679 --> 00:14:42.440 the director of the film disavows it. Nobody's disavowing this movie, 271 00:14:42.519 --> 00:14:45.480 not in the way that Alan Arkish is disavowing Caddyshack too. 272 00:14:45.840 --> 00:14:48.440 And I see why, because, yeah, maybe this movie, if 273 00:14:48.480 --> 00:14:50.879 you watch it after watching Airplane, you go and maybe 274 00:14:50.879 --> 00:14:53.159 I didn't need more of this. But at the same time, 275 00:14:53.200 --> 00:14:56.600 if you watch Airplane and then watch Airplane two, like 276 00:14:56.639 --> 00:14:58.720 a year later or six months later, or maybe a 277 00:14:58.720 --> 00:15:02.080 week later, you'll be like, go, Okay, it's not necessarily the 278 00:15:02.120 --> 00:15:05.840 same movie. But it's like jazz riffing. It's doing the 279 00:15:05.840 --> 00:15:08.639 same things, playing similar notes, just and maybe in a 280 00:15:08.639 --> 00:15:09.200 different key. 281 00:15:09.840 --> 00:15:11.799 Again, it's like poetry, so that they run. 282 00:15:12.440 --> 00:15:14.559 By the way mark, the thing on the side of 283 00:15:14.600 --> 00:15:17.360 the truck. It's as Ken's trucking with a maple leaf. 284 00:15:17.360 --> 00:15:20.720 It's actually a reference to Finkleman himself in some of 285 00:15:20.759 --> 00:15:23.840 the side gags here too, like obviously we are very 286 00:15:24.000 --> 00:15:27.080 much in late nineteen eighty two for some of this, 287 00:15:27.200 --> 00:15:29.960 So like one of the first vans we see pull 288 00:15:30.039 --> 00:15:34.360 up at the airport is the Iran passenger van and 289 00:15:34.480 --> 00:15:38.440 all of the guys coming out and helping the hostages out, 290 00:15:38.600 --> 00:15:41.879 Or we see an air Pakistan poster later on when 291 00:15:42.120 --> 00:15:45.200 Lain and Ted are talking to each other and yeah, 292 00:15:45.200 --> 00:15:47.399 there's this fiery plane in the background. 293 00:15:47.440 --> 00:15:53.440 So yep, all the Middle Eastern characters carrying bazukahs and oozing. 294 00:15:53.000 --> 00:15:56.000 Yep, just walking through security like it's nobody's business. And 295 00:15:56.240 --> 00:15:58.279 you can just tell this is before nine to eleven 296 00:15:58.360 --> 00:16:00.720 because now it's so to have to get a gun 297 00:16:00.759 --> 00:16:03.600 on an airplane. Oh wait, no, they just had that 298 00:16:03.679 --> 00:16:04.679 happen recently, So. 299 00:16:05.039 --> 00:16:07.240 Hold on a second. In this film, the gate agent 300 00:16:07.320 --> 00:16:10.360 has a gun. My favorite gag in this entire movie. 301 00:16:10.759 --> 00:16:11.799 Hey it's blank. 302 00:16:12.120 --> 00:16:14.279 Hey, what the fuck is. 303 00:16:14.240 --> 00:16:17.720 This movie's problem? It is the most mean spirited gag. 304 00:16:18.000 --> 00:16:20.240 A child and his parents with a dog are walking 305 00:16:20.279 --> 00:16:23.240 through the airport and the Gate agent shows up and goes, oh, 306 00:16:23.320 --> 00:16:25.200 you can't bring your dog to the moon, pulls out 307 00:16:25.200 --> 00:16:27.279 a gun and shoots the dog. The dog plays dead, 308 00:16:27.559 --> 00:16:31.440 and I goes, hey, it's blanks. What it is the 309 00:16:31.480 --> 00:16:33.360 funniest gag in the whole movie. 310 00:16:33.039 --> 00:16:36.320 Not just a kid, but Oliver Robbins from Poltergeist fame. 311 00:16:37.039 --> 00:16:39.240 That kid. Also, again to the reference that I made 312 00:16:39.240 --> 00:16:41.399 at the beginning of the episode, his dad has one 313 00:16:41.399 --> 00:16:44.159 of the funniest back and forth. Again, very mean spirited. 314 00:16:44.399 --> 00:16:47.320 They were asking for it, They're always asking for well, yoh. 315 00:16:48.720 --> 00:16:50.799 I appreciate the dark humor in this movie. I think 316 00:16:50.799 --> 00:16:52.960 this movie is a little darker than the original, which 317 00:16:52.960 --> 00:16:56.440 I think also works in its favor. It's a little edgier. 318 00:16:56.559 --> 00:16:58.159 I think this movie is a little edgier, and not 319 00:16:58.320 --> 00:17:00.759 like in an embarrassing way. There's a moment where two 320 00:17:00.759 --> 00:17:02.559 men kiss in this movie, and the movie doesn't really 321 00:17:02.639 --> 00:17:03.840 draw any attention to it. 322 00:17:03.960 --> 00:17:05.160 No, that was hysterical. 323 00:17:05.319 --> 00:17:06.480 That was hysterical. 324 00:17:06.519 --> 00:17:10.440 That the rape stuff with the dad was completely unexpected 325 00:17:10.480 --> 00:17:13.079 for me threw me off completely. I'm like, oh my god, 326 00:17:13.160 --> 00:17:16.680 we're going there. Kept reminding myself. This is prior to 327 00:17:16.799 --> 00:17:19.960 the PG thirteen grading. Because I believe it most definitely 328 00:17:19.960 --> 00:17:22.960 would have gotten that a couple of years down the road, 329 00:17:23.599 --> 00:17:24.720 just from the newter just. 330 00:17:24.799 --> 00:17:25.480 All the boobs. 331 00:17:25.559 --> 00:17:28.720 Yes, in the first ten minutes of this movie. 332 00:17:28.759 --> 00:17:31.720 Amount of bootage in this movie, I was stunned. 333 00:17:32.279 --> 00:17:35.839 There's animal play like crazy, and we've had a reference 334 00:17:35.920 --> 00:17:38.400 to some bestiality in the first movie when. 335 00:17:38.359 --> 00:17:44.359 Who was a Robert stabberda his wife. 336 00:17:43.079 --> 00:17:45.279 And here you've got the girl who just keeps pretending 337 00:17:45.319 --> 00:17:47.160 she's a virgin and the last one you see her 338 00:17:47.200 --> 00:17:48.559 sleep with us the donkey. 339 00:17:49.400 --> 00:17:52.119 The two men kissing that you mentioned was great. I 340 00:17:52.400 --> 00:17:55.000 was totally taken by surprise with that. I'm like, that 341 00:17:55.119 --> 00:17:58.279 was classic. They continue their conversation and then see it 342 00:17:58.279 --> 00:17:59.119 at home or whatever. 343 00:17:59.319 --> 00:18:01.440 It was perfect, zero fanfare. 344 00:18:01.759 --> 00:18:04.960 Well, you get the little look between David Leisure and 345 00:18:05.079 --> 00:18:08.000 his fellow Gate agent from Transcendental Air. They just kind 346 00:18:08.000 --> 00:18:09.920 of look at each other. Oh, isn't that nice? 347 00:18:10.319 --> 00:18:10.519 Yeah? 348 00:18:10.680 --> 00:18:15.440 Yeah, I like the edgy your humor only and again, 349 00:18:15.480 --> 00:18:18.480 like you've mentioned the beast reality and it's just it 350 00:18:18.480 --> 00:18:22.200 feels like a logical extension of the seventies humor of 351 00:18:22.240 --> 00:18:26.039 the last movie being a little bit less envelope, pushing 352 00:18:26.119 --> 00:18:28.519 more or again more envelope pushing for the time, depending 353 00:18:28.519 --> 00:18:29.720 on how you want to look at it. And now 354 00:18:29.759 --> 00:18:33.319 it's again right at the end of the opportunity to 355 00:18:33.359 --> 00:18:36.240 be PG, because nineteen eighty three, I believe has been 356 00:18:36.720 --> 00:18:41.119 Indiana Jones, Raiders of the Lost Arc essentially makes of 357 00:18:41.160 --> 00:18:43.359 Doom is the one no, no, I know, but Raiders 358 00:18:43.359 --> 00:18:45.680 the Lost Arc also is PG, and like that movie 359 00:18:45.720 --> 00:18:48.559 should not be PG either. And I think it's as 360 00:18:48.640 --> 00:18:50.680 much as we talk about it being Temple of Doom, 361 00:18:50.759 --> 00:18:52.880 like Raiders of the Loss Arc really is the movie 362 00:18:52.880 --> 00:18:55.079 that starts the conversation, because that movie should not be 363 00:18:55.079 --> 00:18:58.079 PG either. There are people's heads exploding and face is melting. 364 00:18:58.240 --> 00:19:01.720 And I'm not saying I think it's BPG. I'm saying broadly, 365 00:19:01.759 --> 00:19:04.759 at the time it should not have been, Like there 366 00:19:04.839 --> 00:19:06.279 was no other rating for it. 367 00:19:06.839 --> 00:19:10.039 Even Grimlins, and there were a bunch of movies in 368 00:19:10.200 --> 00:19:13.279 that eighty two to eighty four and before it kicked 369 00:19:13.279 --> 00:19:19.680 in that we're pushing that envelope. Even sixteen Candles seemed 370 00:19:19.759 --> 00:19:21.799 very close. They had to cut a few cuss words 371 00:19:21.799 --> 00:19:25.000 out to get that PG rating. But again you've got nudity, 372 00:19:25.920 --> 00:19:29.599 A couple shots of nudity in that you've got cuss words, 373 00:19:29.799 --> 00:19:33.000 one F word, and then I believe a couple other 374 00:19:33.079 --> 00:19:35.680 F words were edited out. It was either that or 375 00:19:35.720 --> 00:19:39.160 are and this though, I mean, I know it's just 376 00:19:39.279 --> 00:19:43.400 bear breasts, but four examples of bear breasts in one movie. 377 00:19:43.480 --> 00:19:46.240 I was like, man, this, I'm really surprised by that. 378 00:19:46.519 --> 00:19:49.079 And what's crazy is I quote the fact that airplane 379 00:19:49.079 --> 00:19:51.480 has breasts in it so often as that's wild that 380 00:19:51.519 --> 00:19:54.119 it's PG. This is crazy for the times you get 381 00:19:54.480 --> 00:19:58.160 four times as many, like in Rapid Succession in the 382 00:19:58.160 --> 00:19:59.839 same scene, and then we never seen breast. 383 00:19:59.880 --> 00:20:03.359 The just get the one when Striker is doing his painting. 384 00:20:03.640 --> 00:20:05.960 Yeah, so there's three upfront, and then the one pair 385 00:20:06.079 --> 00:20:08.720 in the Ronald Reagan the Mental Hospital. 386 00:20:08.920 --> 00:20:12.839 Still before the eleven minute mark. So yeah, definitely way early. 387 00:20:13.440 --> 00:20:15.960 I think Bonnie and Clyde might have been rated R, 388 00:20:16.000 --> 00:20:18.400 but then you get to things like Jaws and that's 389 00:20:18.440 --> 00:20:21.440 rated PG as well. I feel like they just used 390 00:20:21.960 --> 00:20:24.720 PG thirteen as more of an excuse, and I feel 391 00:20:24.720 --> 00:20:28.119 like PG thirteen is nowhere near as rough as these 392 00:20:28.160 --> 00:20:31.480 PG movies were back then. No, I think you get 393 00:20:31.559 --> 00:20:34.519 one F word and I don't know how many boobs 394 00:20:34.559 --> 00:20:38.799 because Americans can't handle boobs. We can handle violence like crazy, 395 00:20:38.880 --> 00:20:40.960 but do not show a bare breast. 396 00:20:41.319 --> 00:20:44.880 How dare you offend my American sensibilities by showing me 397 00:20:44.920 --> 00:20:45.440 at nipple. 398 00:20:46.240 --> 00:20:49.759 I'm always surprised that Jaws was PG, and I had 399 00:20:49.960 --> 00:20:53.559 created my own Mandela effect in my head, thinking oh, 400 00:20:53.599 --> 00:20:55.920 that's the current rating because it was rated R when 401 00:20:55.920 --> 00:20:57.960 agad it would been rated R in nineteen seventy five. 402 00:20:58.599 --> 00:21:04.759 There's nudity, there's gore, they're swearing. Nope, always been PG. 403 00:21:05.079 --> 00:21:07.680 And what's crazy to Mike's both of your points, like 404 00:21:08.279 --> 00:21:11.200 now the PG thirteen is one F bomb, no nudity. Man, 405 00:21:12.039 --> 00:21:14.680 This was a simpler time then, wasn't it. I guess 406 00:21:14.680 --> 00:21:17.400 people were less offended by breasts back in nineteen eighty two, 407 00:21:17.599 --> 00:21:20.880 And I don't know. I wasn't alive then to comment 408 00:21:20.920 --> 00:21:23.000 on breast, but I would feel like now we're in 409 00:21:23.079 --> 00:21:25.359 a different time. But again, people now are just as 410 00:21:25.359 --> 00:21:26.640 bent out of shape, feel like. 411 00:21:26.799 --> 00:21:30.599 Played for laughs And every scene in this movie the nudity, 412 00:21:30.720 --> 00:21:34.920 but it's not sexual in any way technically. 413 00:21:35.039 --> 00:21:37.240 But and that's the problem with a rating system to 414 00:21:37.279 --> 00:21:40.400 begin with, is the rating system. These rating systems have 415 00:21:40.519 --> 00:21:42.880 never really taken context into effect with any of this, 416 00:21:43.000 --> 00:21:45.519 breast being shown in a comedic fashion is very different 417 00:21:45.519 --> 00:21:47.640 than a breast being shown during a rape scene. The 418 00:21:47.720 --> 00:21:50.480 context is very different for the two gags. Even if 419 00:21:50.480 --> 00:21:51.880 the second was I even a gag, it is just 420 00:21:51.880 --> 00:21:54.960 being used to again lay up a scene, make a 421 00:21:55.000 --> 00:21:57.119 scene more intense. I mean again, I think of something 422 00:21:57.119 --> 00:22:00.279 like Possession, where Isabella Johnny is not naked, she is 423 00:22:00.319 --> 00:22:03.920 fully clothed, and that scene is horrifying. That scene is 424 00:22:03.960 --> 00:22:07.200 so intense and there is no nudity there, and yet 425 00:22:07.599 --> 00:22:09.359 you would look at this movie Goals. Movie has breast, 426 00:22:09.400 --> 00:22:11.720 so it clearly is the one that needs to be 427 00:22:11.759 --> 00:22:14.200 rated R and that movie has no Again, it has nudity, 428 00:22:14.240 --> 00:22:16.880 but in those scenes where people again are getting bent 429 00:22:16.920 --> 00:22:19.279 out of shape, no nudity. It's like the context is 430 00:22:19.279 --> 00:22:22.640 so important and all PG ratings or our ratings are 431 00:22:22.640 --> 00:22:26.920 not created equal, especially at this time during the MPAA's 432 00:22:27.000 --> 00:22:28.160 kind of reign of terror. 433 00:22:28.440 --> 00:22:32.359 So the movie plays very similarly to the first one. 434 00:22:32.480 --> 00:22:36.039 The whole thing of all right, we start at the airport, 435 00:22:36.240 --> 00:22:39.319 we go through introducing all of the characters, and I 436 00:22:39.319 --> 00:22:43.319 think we're done introducing pretty much everybody other than Shatner. 437 00:22:43.920 --> 00:22:47.799 Shatner and Lloyd Bridges I think are the two hold doubts. 438 00:22:47.880 --> 00:22:50.319 Lloyd Bridges comes in about the middle of the movie, 439 00:22:50.319 --> 00:22:52.759 and then Shatner towards the end of the movie, which 440 00:22:52.799 --> 00:22:56.200 is my only complaint because Shatner is just so fucking good, 441 00:22:56.240 --> 00:23:00.640 But I think using him in spareness is probably a 442 00:23:00.680 --> 00:23:02.920 good idea. We'll talk about some of the deleted scenes, 443 00:23:02.920 --> 00:23:05.359 and there's some that he is in that I have 444 00:23:05.440 --> 00:23:08.200 no idea what they are, but yeah, we'll try to 445 00:23:08.240 --> 00:23:11.519 postulate about those. And then, like the Sunny Bono thing, 446 00:23:11.640 --> 00:23:15.319 having a terrorist on the plane, it really doesn't come 447 00:23:15.319 --> 00:23:18.200 to very much of anything. He's just another passenger. There's 448 00:23:18.240 --> 00:23:20.519 not a whole lot of time spent with him, and 449 00:23:20.559 --> 00:23:23.119 once he's taken out of it as a threat, it's 450 00:23:23.160 --> 00:23:26.279 basically just, oh, we'll use the bomb to blow up Rock. 451 00:23:26.400 --> 00:23:29.160 Who is their version of the Hall nine thousand, which 452 00:23:29.160 --> 00:23:31.039 again I think they could have taken a little bit farther, 453 00:23:31.200 --> 00:23:33.920 but maybe they did write him out here because I 454 00:23:33.960 --> 00:23:36.680 don't feel like I'm missing anything when I watch this. 455 00:23:37.640 --> 00:23:40.720 I was confused about the Sunny Bono thing because he's 456 00:23:40.759 --> 00:23:45.799 supposed to be going to des Moine does he plane 457 00:23:46.440 --> 00:23:47.640 or the guy's a. 458 00:23:47.559 --> 00:23:51.440 Total idiot because he also buys what was it like, 459 00:23:51.839 --> 00:23:57.160 car insurance instead of travel insurance. Yeah, it's like even 460 00:23:57.240 --> 00:23:59.680 if he died on that flight, it wouldn't pay off 461 00:23:59.680 --> 00:24:01.799 at all for his wife. And I guess he's just 462 00:24:02.200 --> 00:24:05.759 in a suicidal mood because of his problem. Oh gosh, 463 00:24:05.880 --> 00:24:07.880 I can't talk about that problem on the air. We 464 00:24:07.960 --> 00:24:08.799 might get canceled. 465 00:24:09.559 --> 00:24:11.559 It wouldn't be a problem today because he could get 466 00:24:11.599 --> 00:24:16.279 his viagra for you know, blue Chee baby covered by 467 00:24:16.319 --> 00:24:17.039 his insurance. 468 00:24:17.960 --> 00:24:20.799 Yeah, all that stuff. Yeah, it's funny how I mean, 469 00:24:20.839 --> 00:24:25.039 we just talked about Joe's problem recently, which was not impotence. 470 00:24:25.119 --> 00:24:28.440 It was sterility, as Mexica was very quick to point out. 471 00:24:28.599 --> 00:24:31.799 He was definitely boning a lot of broads on that show, 472 00:24:31.880 --> 00:24:35.119 especially prostitutes, but no problem getting it up. It was 473 00:24:35.240 --> 00:24:38.079 just actually having a baby. And I think that's probably 474 00:24:38.160 --> 00:24:41.000 Sonny Bono's thing here too. I don't think it's that 475 00:24:41.039 --> 00:24:43.680 he can't have a baby. I think it's that he 476 00:24:43.799 --> 00:24:46.519 is not the cable of getting it up because he's 477 00:24:46.640 --> 00:24:49.400 very sensitive too. When Elaine does that little offer of 478 00:24:50.240 --> 00:24:51.480 do you need help getting it up? 479 00:24:52.200 --> 00:24:54.400 Yeah, and rip torn and the other guy know the 480 00:24:54.480 --> 00:24:56.359 institute that they're talking about. 481 00:24:56.839 --> 00:24:57.799 We're familiar with it. 482 00:24:58.680 --> 00:25:01.400 That was my other complaint Rip turns under used in this. 483 00:25:01.599 --> 00:25:03.440 I saw him and I'm like, wait, is that him? 484 00:25:03.759 --> 00:25:05.720 And I thought, oh boy, we're gonna have some crazy 485 00:25:05.759 --> 00:25:08.319 shit going on. But he's only in a couple scenes 486 00:25:09.200 --> 00:25:09.880 and in an ean. 487 00:25:10.720 --> 00:25:13.640 What would the elevator musaic gag? Did anybody else get 488 00:25:13.640 --> 00:25:14.640 the music gag? 489 00:25:15.319 --> 00:25:17.759 It's just louder than it would normally be. It's usually 490 00:25:17.920 --> 00:25:20.000 you can barely hear it when you're in an elevator, 491 00:25:20.119 --> 00:25:23.039 but for some reason, it was blaringly loud. 492 00:25:23.359 --> 00:25:23.680 Okay. 493 00:25:23.759 --> 00:25:25.160 I was just curious because I was like, is the 494 00:25:25.160 --> 00:25:27.319 gag that? There's a lot of gags in this movie 495 00:25:27.359 --> 00:25:31.640 that are like intentional, like Rocky thirties six or thirty 496 00:25:31.680 --> 00:25:34.519 eight or whatever it is. He's an old man again, 497 00:25:34.559 --> 00:25:36.759 like stuff in the background, Like there's a lot of 498 00:25:36.799 --> 00:25:38.640 just like things going on in the background that are 499 00:25:38.680 --> 00:25:42.319 so intentional. And again it goes back to Mike mentioned 500 00:25:42.359 --> 00:25:44.599 the Simpsons of it all. If you know that the 501 00:25:44.680 --> 00:25:47.799 space can be crammed full of everything, make sure you 502 00:25:47.880 --> 00:25:50.160 do because people will go back and be able to 503 00:25:50.279 --> 00:25:53.079 enjoy your thing multiple times because they're going to see 504 00:25:53.079 --> 00:25:55.720 something else different every time they watch it, or at 505 00:25:55.799 --> 00:25:58.000 least seem more than they would have seen the first time. 506 00:25:58.079 --> 00:26:00.799 The nurse with the I Love Sanity sorry on the 507 00:26:00.839 --> 00:26:02.359 back of her gown. 508 00:26:02.960 --> 00:26:05.160 I'd like the thing when Chuck Connors shows up and 509 00:26:05.200 --> 00:26:08.680 they've got the sign that says no smoking, no spitting, 510 00:26:09.000 --> 00:26:12.079 and he, like the takes the formerly lit match and 511 00:26:12.119 --> 00:26:14.359 throws it. Nothing happens, but then he spits and the 512 00:26:14.400 --> 00:26:15.440 whole thing explodes. 513 00:26:16.000 --> 00:26:17.000 Yeah, that was nice. 514 00:26:17.039 --> 00:26:19.599 Yeah, same thing with Chuck Connor's. I thought there'd be 515 00:26:19.640 --> 00:26:22.759 more of him as well, and I was just like, oh, yeah, really, 516 00:26:22.839 --> 00:26:26.839 this focus is so much on Elaine and Ted that 517 00:26:26.880 --> 00:26:28.839 we don't even really get too much of the other 518 00:26:29.519 --> 00:26:32.440 guys areding the cockpit, and I was really glad that 519 00:26:32.519 --> 00:26:34.519 they didn't go the same way and be like, Okay, 520 00:26:34.519 --> 00:26:36.440 who's going to be our sports star that we have 521 00:26:36.559 --> 00:26:40.640 sit next to Peter Graves. No, we're not doing that. Instead, 522 00:26:40.720 --> 00:26:43.559 we've got James A. Watson Junior. And who's the other 523 00:26:43.599 --> 00:26:46.039 one is that? Kate McCord. That's right, Chad Everett is 524 00:26:46.079 --> 00:26:48.960 the one that plays Simon. Yeah, ket McCord, that's nice. 525 00:26:48.960 --> 00:26:51.319 Because wasn't he in Battlestar Galactica. 526 00:26:51.440 --> 00:26:54.279 Kenton McCord was on ADAM twelve. He was either on 527 00:26:54.359 --> 00:26:58.400 Adam twelve or what was the one with the EMTs emergency. 528 00:26:58.920 --> 00:27:00.960 I think it was on Adam twelve. I think you're right, 529 00:27:01.039 --> 00:27:05.160 get those two shows mixed up. But speaking of amazing sequels, 530 00:27:05.400 --> 00:27:08.880 he was Impredator too, probably one of the best sequels 531 00:27:09.160 --> 00:27:12.759 ever made. He was in Galactica nineteen eighty. I don't 532 00:27:12.759 --> 00:27:15.759 know if he was in the irregular Battlestar Galactica, but 533 00:27:15.799 --> 00:27:19.960 they used that Battlestar Galactica theme more than the Elmer 534 00:27:20.000 --> 00:27:22.640 Bernstein theme in this one. And you've got the love 535 00:27:22.720 --> 00:27:25.720 boat theme going on, You've got all kinds of themes 536 00:27:25.759 --> 00:27:26.160 going on. 537 00:27:26.640 --> 00:27:28.519 I was surprised we didn't get O. J. Simpson in 538 00:27:28.559 --> 00:27:31.279 the cockpit, to be honest with you, that would have 539 00:27:31.319 --> 00:27:34.359 been interesting given that were like, what only a couple 540 00:27:34.400 --> 00:27:37.359 of years removed from seeing OJ Simpson in as Zaz, 541 00:27:38.279 --> 00:27:40.960 thing that I think arguably ends up being the most 542 00:27:41.039 --> 00:27:43.960 famous thing he ever does in terms of like movies, 543 00:27:44.799 --> 00:27:48.000 to the point where they're referencing it in that upcoming 544 00:27:48.079 --> 00:27:51.880 Naked Gun Movies trailer that we know that oj Simpson 545 00:27:51.960 --> 00:27:54.440 is a real murderer in real life, which is fucking 546 00:27:54.640 --> 00:27:57.559 crazy to me in and of itself. But yeah, I 547 00:27:58.119 --> 00:28:01.039 feel like with some of the background gags in this movie, 548 00:28:01.039 --> 00:28:03.400 and again, Mike, you talked about the deleted scenes, sometimes 549 00:28:03.440 --> 00:28:06.400 they do swing for the fences in a direction that 550 00:28:06.440 --> 00:28:09.279 I don't think they were prepared to really land it. 551 00:28:09.319 --> 00:28:11.440 I think they just sometimes and you see this early 552 00:28:11.480 --> 00:28:13.799 on in early seasons of The Simpsons. Sometimes they just 553 00:28:13.799 --> 00:28:16.200 swing for the fences, and there's nothing wrong with that, 554 00:28:16.240 --> 00:28:19.759 but it doesn't always land. Is the bigger issue. I 555 00:28:19.799 --> 00:28:21.720 would say some of the things in this movie that 556 00:28:21.799 --> 00:28:26.039 don't land are retreading some of the old movie stuff 557 00:28:26.200 --> 00:28:29.160 more or less directly. Like we have him in the 558 00:28:29.160 --> 00:28:31.640 hospital and they do the exact same gag from the 559 00:28:31.640 --> 00:28:33.960 first movie. I was like, yeah, it was funny the 560 00:28:34.000 --> 00:28:35.839 first time, but we don't need to see the layover 561 00:28:35.920 --> 00:28:38.319 of his face with the planes again. Some of those 562 00:28:38.359 --> 00:28:41.279 things did feel like we're in the scene and we're 563 00:28:41.279 --> 00:28:43.279 doing the thing in the scene, but then we are 564 00:28:44.079 --> 00:28:47.559 one step too far. They gild the lily as it were, 565 00:28:47.599 --> 00:28:49.240 Like we go to the hospital, we see him doing 566 00:28:49.279 --> 00:28:51.720 all those hospital things again, but then it does the 567 00:28:51.720 --> 00:28:53.640 one thing where it's and then we do the thing 568 00:28:54.279 --> 00:28:56.799 inside the thing again, and I'm like, okay, Like that 569 00:28:57.039 --> 00:28:59.599 for me was probably one of those like the joke 570 00:28:59.640 --> 00:29:01.720 within the joke within the joke probably goes too far, 571 00:29:01.839 --> 00:29:03.519 And that's one of those where I'm like, I don't know, 572 00:29:03.559 --> 00:29:05.880 Like they did the Macho Grande thing so well, that 573 00:29:05.960 --> 00:29:07.960 kind of sticks out for me, is okay, the Macho 574 00:29:08.000 --> 00:29:10.920 grande stuff serves a purpose, but then you do that 575 00:29:11.000 --> 00:29:13.480 one step too far back in the direction of the 576 00:29:13.519 --> 00:29:16.359 original thing as opposed to taking it and riffing in 577 00:29:16.400 --> 00:29:17.160 the other direction. 578 00:29:17.640 --> 00:29:20.200 That is one of the weaker areas of the script, 579 00:29:20.279 --> 00:29:24.720 is that the conflating because we've got that trial that 580 00:29:24.799 --> 00:29:28.880 happens as a flashback what midway through the movie, maybe 581 00:29:29.039 --> 00:29:32.960 after the first act, and it's conflating the whole thing 582 00:29:33.000 --> 00:29:36.039 of Ted saying no, you can't take this. Was it 583 00:29:36.119 --> 00:29:39.559 the XR twenty three hundred, Yeah, as opposed to the 584 00:29:39.680 --> 00:29:41.079 XR twenty two hundred. 585 00:29:41.480 --> 00:29:44.119 What's wrong they're launching the XR twenty three hundred. 586 00:29:44.920 --> 00:29:46.200 You know what that is, doctor, the. 587 00:29:46.200 --> 00:29:49.960 Muffler bracket for a seventy nine pinto Oh. 588 00:29:49.319 --> 00:29:51.480 That's the XR twenty two hundred to twenty three hundreds 589 00:29:51.519 --> 00:29:52.240 the lunar shuttle. 590 00:29:52.960 --> 00:29:54.039 It's kind of stopped. 591 00:29:54.559 --> 00:29:56.960 Don't you understand. They frame me and put me in 592 00:29:57.000 --> 00:29:58.039 here to keep me out of the way. 593 00:29:58.279 --> 00:30:00.519 You must understand the first st up on the road 594 00:30:00.519 --> 00:30:02.160 to mental hygiene is admitting. 595 00:30:01.839 --> 00:30:02.400 That you're sick. 596 00:30:02.559 --> 00:30:05.640 You're sick, you're sick, you're sick, you're sick, you're sick, 597 00:30:05.839 --> 00:30:06.319 you're sick. 598 00:30:07.039 --> 00:30:09.000 This whole thing. If you can't take this XR twenty 599 00:30:09.000 --> 00:30:12.160 three hundred out, it's still experimental and blah blah blah. 600 00:30:12.160 --> 00:30:15.480 But somehow they take that and comflight that with this 601 00:30:15.519 --> 00:30:18.119 guy is a total loon because of what happened over 602 00:30:18.160 --> 00:30:19.279 Macho Grande. 603 00:30:18.960 --> 00:30:21.319 And also what happened in the first movie, because you 604 00:30:21.400 --> 00:30:24.599 mentioned already and we haven't talked about it, the character 605 00:30:24.680 --> 00:30:27.200 of the jive talker from the first movie comes back 606 00:30:27.279 --> 00:30:31.119 as a witness to reference what happened in the first movie. 607 00:30:31.519 --> 00:30:34.519 And they also are again, like to Mark's point about 608 00:30:34.519 --> 00:30:36.640 Macho Grande, to your point about Mancho Grande, they are 609 00:30:36.680 --> 00:30:39.440 conflating what happened in the first movie and what happened 610 00:30:39.440 --> 00:30:41.319 before the first movie that they referenced in the first 611 00:30:41.359 --> 00:30:44.079 movie with what they're referencing here like mar With like 612 00:30:44.079 --> 00:30:46.200 Macho Grande is in the first movie. No, it's all 613 00:30:46.240 --> 00:30:49.839 in this movie, which is pretty nuts because it does 614 00:30:49.880 --> 00:30:51.839 feel like it almost should have been in the first 615 00:30:51.839 --> 00:30:53.200 movie in a way. 616 00:30:53.680 --> 00:30:56.640 Yeah, I know that something happened with him and his 617 00:30:58.200 --> 00:31:01.519 former squad, and so I just assume that that's what 618 00:31:01.519 --> 00:31:03.359 they were talking about, because when he's in the mental 619 00:31:03.359 --> 00:31:05.599 hospital then painting the guy with the leg over his 620 00:31:05.759 --> 00:31:08.599 head and all that stuff out of the exploding jeep. 621 00:31:08.960 --> 00:31:11.200 Hey striker, how about a break here, huh? 622 00:31:11.279 --> 00:31:13.759 And he was in the mental hospital in the first 623 00:31:13.759 --> 00:31:17.000 movie because of what happened at Macho Grande, But they 624 00:31:17.039 --> 00:31:21.960 never explicitly say Macho Grande. Then that's my goof misremembering 625 00:31:22.000 --> 00:31:23.119 another Mandela effect. 626 00:31:23.240 --> 00:31:25.759 I just think this movie gets tangled up in itself 627 00:31:25.799 --> 00:31:28.440 too much, and I think it retroactively hurts the first 628 00:31:28.480 --> 00:31:30.680 movie's gags because I do think that some of the 629 00:31:30.680 --> 00:31:33.759 things for the first movie happened in this movie actually, 630 00:31:33.839 --> 00:31:35.920 and it's wait a second, and it is retreading old 631 00:31:35.960 --> 00:31:38.720 ground in an unnecessary way, because there are plenty of 632 00:31:38.759 --> 00:31:40.960 gags in this movie where they retread old ground that 633 00:31:41.079 --> 00:31:44.480 do work. That thing feels like even though the Macho 634 00:31:44.519 --> 00:31:46.559 Grande gag is one of the best gags in the movie, 635 00:31:46.599 --> 00:31:48.359 that for me is one of the things where I'm like, 636 00:31:48.400 --> 00:31:50.720 I feel like this was just too much of the 637 00:31:50.759 --> 00:31:53.480 original movie. For me, that was too much of going 638 00:31:53.519 --> 00:31:54.799 back to the original movie. 639 00:31:55.000 --> 00:31:58.039 I flew with Striker during the war. I'll never forget 640 00:31:58.079 --> 00:32:01.759 the night we bomb Macho Grande. Striker was a squadron leader. 641 00:32:02.079 --> 00:32:05.200 He brought us in real low. But he couldn't handle it. 642 00:32:05.519 --> 00:32:07.000 Buddy couldn't handle it. 643 00:32:07.039 --> 00:32:08.160 Was Buddy, one of your crew. 644 00:32:08.119 --> 00:32:10.680 Right, Buddy was the bombedier. But it was Striker who 645 00:32:10.680 --> 00:32:13.680 couldn't handle it. And he went to pieces and he 646 00:32:13.759 --> 00:32:14.400 went to pieces. 647 00:32:14.519 --> 00:32:16.599 No, Andy was the navigator. 648 00:32:16.599 --> 00:32:17.240 He was all right. 649 00:32:17.319 --> 00:32:19.440 Buddy went to pieces. It was awful. 650 00:32:19.559 --> 00:32:20.640 How he came and glued. 651 00:32:20.880 --> 00:32:23.079 How he came on glued, Oh no, how he. 652 00:32:23.200 --> 00:32:25.359 Was our rock, the best tail gunner in the outfit. 653 00:32:25.640 --> 00:32:26.759 Buddy came on glued. 654 00:32:27.119 --> 00:32:28.000 Andy bailed out. 655 00:32:28.119 --> 00:32:29.279 No, Andy hung tough. 656 00:32:29.359 --> 00:32:33.400 Buddy bailed out. How we survived was a miracle. 657 00:32:34.279 --> 00:32:37.119 And how we survived, oh raid not. 658 00:32:37.400 --> 00:32:41.799 We lost Howie the next day over Macho Grande. No, 659 00:32:42.319 --> 00:32:45.640 I don't think I'll ever get over Macho Grande. Those 660 00:32:45.720 --> 00:32:48.000 wounds run pretty deep. 661 00:32:48.880 --> 00:32:49.079 Yeah. 662 00:32:49.200 --> 00:32:51.160 Some things about the trial that I do like, though, 663 00:32:51.200 --> 00:32:56.039 are Reamond Burr as the judge, and especially when Elaine 664 00:32:56.119 --> 00:32:58.000 was talking about the love of a good man. 665 00:32:58.440 --> 00:33:00.359 Can no a very close one. 666 00:33:00.599 --> 00:33:03.240 We had the kind of relationship where we laughed and 667 00:33:03.359 --> 00:33:05.759 laughed and laughed all the time. 668 00:33:06.240 --> 00:33:08.079 Do you know what it's like to laugh like that? 669 00:33:08.920 --> 00:33:13.119 Yes, yes I do. Raymond Burr was looking rough there, man. 670 00:33:13.279 --> 00:33:16.400 I'm like, man, he didn't look that good. And I 671 00:33:16.440 --> 00:33:18.920 don't know if he was still doing Ironside at the time, 672 00:33:19.039 --> 00:33:20.160 but yeah. 673 00:33:19.960 --> 00:33:23.400 I'm not sure, because he came back and did a 674 00:33:23.480 --> 00:33:28.079 lot of Perry Mason movies. Yeah, but there were some 675 00:33:28.119 --> 00:33:30.440 of those I whytn't say there were some movies that 676 00:33:30.480 --> 00:33:33.240 he actually wasn't in that they were set up as 677 00:33:33.880 --> 00:33:37.599 Harry was that the one where was his name? Paulie 678 00:33:37.599 --> 00:33:41.079 from Catalyst took over Paulie from Good Fold, and I 679 00:33:41.119 --> 00:33:44.599 thought he came in and was Sorvino was playing. I 680 00:33:44.599 --> 00:33:47.039 think he might have been like his partner or something. 681 00:33:47.200 --> 00:33:50.200 All right, now, I gotta looking at what I'm talking about. 682 00:33:50.359 --> 00:33:53.079 They did that kind of stuff with the murder, she wrote, 683 00:33:53.079 --> 00:33:55.799 where they would have whole episodes where she wasn't even 684 00:33:55.839 --> 00:33:58.039 on it. It was like she was writing the story 685 00:33:58.160 --> 00:33:58.640 or whatever. 686 00:33:59.480 --> 00:34:03.079 Also played Anthony Caruso in the Perry Mason movie of 687 00:34:03.160 --> 00:34:05.480 Perry Mason Mystery The Case of the Wicked Wives in 688 00:34:05.559 --> 00:34:08.840 nineteen ninety three. This was after Raymond Burr passed away. 689 00:34:09.400 --> 00:34:11.880 Servino's character was a lawyer, and the movie was the 690 00:34:11.920 --> 00:34:15.519 first in this series to be filmed after Burr's death. 691 00:34:15.880 --> 00:34:18.840 Including it doesn't say there, whatever you were reading, doesn't 692 00:34:18.840 --> 00:34:20.480 mention it. But I'll ask if you want to take 693 00:34:20.559 --> 00:34:22.320 a swing at it. Do you want to guess who 694 00:34:22.400 --> 00:34:25.679 also played a lawyer? Then in one of those four episodes, 695 00:34:25.719 --> 00:34:29.719 it wasn't just Paul Sorvino. It's Stanley Tucci, how Holbrook, 696 00:34:30.599 --> 00:34:33.400 which must be fascinating. I want to find that and 697 00:34:33.440 --> 00:34:35.800 watch that. Yeah, I'm with you, Mark, my girlfriend and 698 00:34:35.840 --> 00:34:37.559 I watch murder, she wrote, from time to time, and 699 00:34:37.599 --> 00:34:41.079 those episodes will come on, and man, those episodes stink 700 00:34:41.480 --> 00:34:44.159 on ice face, stink. This is what was happening to 701 00:34:44.199 --> 00:34:49.239 my cousin. Nobody cares, Jessica Fletcher. If we want Angela Landsberg. 702 00:34:49.119 --> 00:34:52.599 Without there is nothing appealing about the show at all. 703 00:34:52.840 --> 00:34:58.079 Yeah, not to bespirch friend of the show Grayton Clark 704 00:34:58.159 --> 00:35:00.480 or a friend of me, Graydon Clark, but was in 705 00:35:00.519 --> 00:35:04.679 the kind of waning years of Raymond Burr before he 706 00:35:04.719 --> 00:35:07.840 came back as Perry Mason, like he came back in 707 00:35:08.000 --> 00:35:12.440 eighty five, but right before this he did Graydon Clark's 708 00:35:12.440 --> 00:35:15.760 The Return, and I remember Graydon telling me about how 709 00:35:16.599 --> 00:35:19.519 Raymond Burr refused to learn lines and that he just 710 00:35:19.679 --> 00:35:23.320 insisted on having queue cards everywhere. There's a scene where 711 00:35:23.320 --> 00:35:25.960 he's like looking down at this like map or display 712 00:35:26.039 --> 00:35:28.719 or something, and Graydon was like, Oh, yeah, he's got 713 00:35:28.800 --> 00:35:31.679 que cards all over that whole thing because he just 714 00:35:31.880 --> 00:35:33.360 never memorized lines. 715 00:35:34.199 --> 00:35:37.280 That's not uncommon. It's surprising to find it out at 716 00:35:37.320 --> 00:35:40.239 certain times, but a lot of people did that. 717 00:35:40.639 --> 00:35:42.960 Marlon Brando was doing it, Johnny Depp was doing it 718 00:35:42.960 --> 00:35:44.760 as recently as those last Pirate. 719 00:35:45.000 --> 00:35:50.519 Mitchel getting think the lines lines. The bit that got 720 00:35:50.559 --> 00:35:53.639 old for me was the what is it? I don't 721 00:35:53.639 --> 00:35:55.559 know how many times they use that in this one, 722 00:35:55.599 --> 00:35:58.960 but I was like, come on, it's not that funny again. 723 00:35:59.840 --> 00:36:03.760 The sun, what the hospital? Like in the first one, 724 00:36:03.960 --> 00:36:05.079 what is it? What's a building? 725 00:36:05.159 --> 00:36:05.320 Murrie? 726 00:36:05.360 --> 00:36:06.079 You go when you're sick. 727 00:36:06.559 --> 00:36:08.280 One of the other gags that sticks out as well, 728 00:36:08.400 --> 00:36:09.920 it was so much funnier and worked better in the 729 00:36:09.920 --> 00:36:12.320 first movie was the old when they cut back to 730 00:36:12.320 --> 00:36:15.719 Striker telling the story and the old woman is like 731 00:36:15.719 --> 00:36:17.800 a skeleton. In the first movie, it was so much better. 732 00:36:17.880 --> 00:36:19.440 She like lights herself on fire. 733 00:36:22.159 --> 00:36:25.480 Yeah, or the Japanese guy committing Harry Carreys. 734 00:36:25.599 --> 00:36:28.360 You didn't have to do every single gag for the 735 00:36:28.400 --> 00:36:31.039 first Some of them do work here. Some of them 736 00:36:31.119 --> 00:36:33.360 retreading the old gags and then going left when you 737 00:36:33.400 --> 00:36:35.400 think they're gonna go right do work. But then there 738 00:36:35.400 --> 00:36:38.239 are some where it's like you don't do enough to 739 00:36:38.480 --> 00:36:41.519 warrant retreading this again. They did do it better the 740 00:36:41.519 --> 00:36:43.000 first time. There are gags in this movie, like the 741 00:36:43.039 --> 00:36:45.480 over macho Grande thing is one of the best gags 742 00:36:45.480 --> 00:36:47.880 between both movies. It might even be better than some 743 00:36:47.920 --> 00:36:49.440 of the best gags in the first movie. 744 00:36:50.039 --> 00:36:52.000 Yeah, the lady, the hysterical lady. 745 00:36:52.239 --> 00:36:54.400 I gotta get out of here. I've got to get 746 00:36:54.400 --> 00:36:54.840 out of here. 747 00:36:55.280 --> 00:36:58.880 Them just redoing, like showing the flashback to the first 748 00:36:58.920 --> 00:37:02.960 movie to enter deuce the let's slap her again. In 749 00:37:03.000 --> 00:37:06.360 the second movie, it's like, all right, didn't need that. 750 00:37:07.199 --> 00:37:09.880 Yeah, some of it's belaboring the point, but I think 751 00:37:09.880 --> 00:37:11.840 for the most part, again, like to return to what 752 00:37:11.880 --> 00:37:14.320 I think are the positives of this movie. I think 753 00:37:14.360 --> 00:37:17.519 this movie, if every minute there's ten jokes, I think 754 00:37:17.840 --> 00:37:20.000 eight out of the ten jokes work in this movie, 755 00:37:20.039 --> 00:37:22.320 and an Airplane, it's like a ten out of ten 756 00:37:22.360 --> 00:37:24.400 for the most part. If not, it is always a 757 00:37:24.440 --> 00:37:26.440 ten out of ten with Airplane. I think Airplane is 758 00:37:26.480 --> 00:37:28.440 a perfect comedy in a lot of ways. 759 00:37:28.880 --> 00:37:31.440 I was a huge fan of John Verman, so him 760 00:37:31.519 --> 00:37:36.199 showing up as the psychiatrist is great and just he 761 00:37:36.280 --> 00:37:38.920 can do that so perfectly. I think he's one of 762 00:37:38.960 --> 00:37:40.920 the first actors I ever saw that can do that 763 00:37:41.119 --> 00:37:45.119 deadpan so well, but then also just flip it and 764 00:37:45.199 --> 00:37:48.480 make it comic, just like Les Nielsen would become known 765 00:37:48.559 --> 00:37:53.280 after Airplane is doing that by John Vernon. It was 766 00:37:53.320 --> 00:37:54.960 just such a natural for him to do that. 767 00:37:55.400 --> 00:37:55.679 Doctor. 768 00:37:55.719 --> 00:37:57.880 Can you give the court your impression of mister Striker. 769 00:37:57.960 --> 00:38:00.840 I'm sorry, I don't do impressions. My training and psychiatry. 770 00:38:01.079 --> 00:38:05.440 Of course, to have John Vernon, Canada's own John Vernon 771 00:38:05.599 --> 00:38:08.320 and Canada's own William Shatner is two of the bigger 772 00:38:08.320 --> 00:38:11.280 players in here. I'm just like, yes, this is great. 773 00:38:11.519 --> 00:38:14.400 He is really one of the funnier characters in this movie, 774 00:38:14.440 --> 00:38:15.960 Like you get a lot of mileage out of him 775 00:38:15.960 --> 00:38:19.559 as an actor and his comedic like deadpan. I think 776 00:38:19.599 --> 00:38:21.360 we've already mentioned it, but every really could have used 777 00:38:21.360 --> 00:38:23.480 more Chuck Connors in this movie. As someone who's a 778 00:38:23.559 --> 00:38:26.840 huge fan of Where Wolf and wanting more Chuck Connors 779 00:38:26.880 --> 00:38:29.800 in that show. I like the idea of Chuck Connor's 780 00:38:29.840 --> 00:38:36.440 spitting gasoline and then Lloyd Bridges comes back, which feels unnecessary, 781 00:38:36.880 --> 00:38:39.119 but at the same time I love it because it's 782 00:38:39.159 --> 00:38:40.639 like they're just like, just do the same thing all 783 00:38:40.639 --> 00:38:43.519 over again, literally, and it feels like of all the 784 00:38:43.519 --> 00:38:46.199 things that they retread, it does work. Even though I 785 00:38:46.320 --> 00:38:47.679 was convinced it. 786 00:38:47.679 --> 00:38:50.400 Would, I picked her wrong time to go Seni on. 787 00:38:50.719 --> 00:38:53.440 I think it's unfortunate that the deleted scene of his 788 00:38:53.559 --> 00:38:57.800 where he is in the mental hospital is cut out, 789 00:38:57.840 --> 00:39:02.239 because you don't get the feeling that he's really off 790 00:39:02.320 --> 00:39:04.599 kilter without that. I missed that, and then when I 791 00:39:04.639 --> 00:39:06.679 watched the deleted scene, I was like, oh, this makes 792 00:39:06.719 --> 00:39:11.000 sense because you don't get any of the glue sniffing 793 00:39:11.280 --> 00:39:13.480 or drinking. You get some of the drinking, but you 794 00:39:13.480 --> 00:39:16.400 don't get that aspect of him that you got in 795 00:39:16.400 --> 00:39:18.760 the first film. So it's what's his shtick in this 796 00:39:18.960 --> 00:39:22.800 other than being off? And it just felt like that 797 00:39:22.960 --> 00:39:25.920 was missing or I missed the joke. I know they 798 00:39:26.000 --> 00:39:31.639 refer to him being unstable, but having him also be 799 00:39:31.760 --> 00:39:36.079 in the mental institution to me seems necessary for this. 800 00:39:36.599 --> 00:39:39.320 Like I said, I guess I just maybe missed it 801 00:39:39.400 --> 00:39:43.639 without that. But because I was expecting the glue sniffing again, 802 00:39:43.719 --> 00:39:47.119 I was expecting something like that to happen, and it 803 00:39:47.159 --> 00:39:49.239 never does, and I was like, oh, okay, he's just 804 00:39:49.440 --> 00:39:50.159 brain addled. 805 00:39:50.920 --> 00:39:53.800 But I feel like they're making another Rigan joke when 806 00:39:54.000 --> 00:39:56.159 he says I picked the wrong weak to go senile. 807 00:39:56.559 --> 00:40:00.920 And you've got those two very prom shots of the 808 00:40:01.039 --> 00:40:04.199 Ronald Reagan Home for the Mentally Ill, and really we 809 00:40:04.239 --> 00:40:07.719 only needed one of them, and probably the first one 810 00:40:08.119 --> 00:40:11.400 just to show us an establishing shot because when Ted escapes, 811 00:40:11.760 --> 00:40:14.440 he does it right by that big sign. I'm like, 812 00:40:14.800 --> 00:40:17.920 that's a little much here, guys. But if you watch 813 00:40:18.000 --> 00:40:20.760 the TV version, they caught all that stuff out, or 814 00:40:20.800 --> 00:40:24.760 they rename it the Donald Dragan Home for the mentally ill, 815 00:40:24.800 --> 00:40:27.199 and we can't make fun of Reagan, can't do that. 816 00:40:27.440 --> 00:40:30.719 So I'm like, really, we were debating before the show 817 00:40:30.760 --> 00:40:33.119 started as far as when did people know he was 818 00:40:33.519 --> 00:40:37.039 not mentally unsound? Was it the whole I don't remember 819 00:40:37.159 --> 00:40:38.679 to the Iran Contra. 820 00:40:38.440 --> 00:40:42.519 Affair, or I feel like it came later. I don't remember. 821 00:40:43.159 --> 00:40:46.039 I was thirteen when this movie came out, and this 822 00:40:46.199 --> 00:40:49.159 was still the middle of his first term, so I 823 00:40:49.280 --> 00:40:52.239 really don't remember there being any kind of snippets about 824 00:40:52.760 --> 00:40:57.320 him being I'm not even going to say unstable, just forgetful. 825 00:40:57.480 --> 00:40:59.559 The joke was that he was an old man, the 826 00:40:59.599 --> 00:41:02.440 oldest president that we had so far we can up 827 00:41:02.440 --> 00:41:06.199 till then, the kind of oh golly tenor of his 828 00:41:06.320 --> 00:41:09.280 voice and all that was a joke. But I really 829 00:41:10.239 --> 00:41:16.239 I was surprised by that and the constant kind of 830 00:41:16.920 --> 00:41:22.119 sinility jokes, because I'm thinking to myself, nobody was speculating 831 00:41:22.159 --> 00:41:24.559 on that back then, not until much later in his 832 00:41:24.599 --> 00:41:27.159 second term. I don't know, but I was a kid, 833 00:41:27.239 --> 00:41:31.000 so it's very possible that I missed anything like that 834 00:41:31.039 --> 00:41:35.199 in the news. But they do get they do get 835 00:41:35.199 --> 00:41:38.840 a shot about air traffic controllers because that was definitely 836 00:41:38.840 --> 00:41:42.800 a real thing, along with shutting down the mental hospitals 837 00:41:42.800 --> 00:41:46.800 that we talked about off podcasts, But that whole air 838 00:41:46.840 --> 00:41:50.079 traffic control thing was a huge deal back then, and 839 00:41:50.159 --> 00:41:54.679 we traveled. We were flying sometime and around that time 840 00:41:54.920 --> 00:41:58.360 trying to get up to Oregon to visit my mom's family, 841 00:41:58.400 --> 00:42:04.280 and it took forever layovers and down in southern California 842 00:42:04.360 --> 00:42:07.599 to go to go the opposite direction that we were headed, 843 00:42:07.639 --> 00:42:09.719 and it just was a nightmare for people. 844 00:42:10.599 --> 00:42:14.440 Thanks Reagan, I remember, and I need to track this 845 00:42:14.559 --> 00:42:16.800 down because I remember it was a really good segment 846 00:42:16.840 --> 00:42:20.199 on sixty Minutes that they showed and I don't remember 847 00:42:20.239 --> 00:42:23.679 what year it was, but it was them basically going 848 00:42:23.719 --> 00:42:27.679 through a lot of Reagan's movies, and he would be 849 00:42:27.719 --> 00:42:31.480 giving speeches and he would suddenly dip into his own 850 00:42:31.679 --> 00:42:35.039 stuff and you're thinking, Okay, yeah, he's just making a reference, 851 00:42:35.079 --> 00:42:37.679 but no, he would start to do the speech from 852 00:42:37.719 --> 00:42:40.760 the movie as if he were just doing that right 853 00:42:40.800 --> 00:42:43.000 then and there, just oh yeah, and as a famous 854 00:42:43.039 --> 00:42:45.119 man told me, and he would go into this speech 855 00:42:45.159 --> 00:42:48.639 and are you mixing reality with your movies or what's 856 00:42:48.679 --> 00:42:50.960 going on here? So I really wish I could find 857 00:42:50.960 --> 00:42:53.840 that segment because I remember that being great. They'll probably 858 00:42:54.159 --> 00:42:58.000 scratch the archives pretty soon since I think sixty minutes 859 00:42:58.039 --> 00:42:59.920 has said bad things about her. Gloriously. 860 00:43:00.719 --> 00:43:01.559 There you go again. 861 00:43:02.199 --> 00:43:05.440 Some of the magazine jokes that they have in here, 862 00:43:05.559 --> 00:43:08.760 especially the anti religious stuff that they have in here. 863 00:43:08.920 --> 00:43:12.480 The priest who's played by the governor from Benson, which 864 00:43:12.599 --> 00:43:15.440 he's looking at Altar Boy magazine and tilts it on 865 00:43:15.519 --> 00:43:22.159 its side. Awful later on when they're like, put your 866 00:43:22.159 --> 00:43:24.440 head between your knees, your own knees, father. 867 00:43:24.719 --> 00:43:26.480 At least you wasn't the sity next to the kid 868 00:43:26.519 --> 00:43:27.599 when they did that joke. 869 00:43:27.840 --> 00:43:31.400 What about the experience of metabolic change jokes? Speaking of 870 00:43:31.480 --> 00:43:35.000 going right after politicians of the time, everybody has a 871 00:43:35.119 --> 00:43:35.800 Nixon mask. 872 00:43:36.039 --> 00:43:39.360 Oh yeah, that one flew right over my head. 873 00:43:39.400 --> 00:43:39.639 Man. 874 00:43:39.800 --> 00:43:42.119 I was like, why are they all wearing Nixon masks? 875 00:43:42.440 --> 00:43:44.840 It's Richard Nixon. It's just funny because it's Richard Nixon. 876 00:43:44.840 --> 00:43:45.840 There you go, That's all it is. 877 00:43:46.480 --> 00:43:48.119 Yeah. Like I said, I think they could have done 878 00:43:48.159 --> 00:43:51.159 a little bit more with the two thousand and one stuff. 879 00:43:51.320 --> 00:43:54.840 I'm glad that they had Rock, though I'm not sure 880 00:43:54.840 --> 00:43:56.840 what rock is supposed to stand for. I really thought 881 00:43:56.840 --> 00:43:58.840 they would go for something a little bit more obvious 882 00:43:58.920 --> 00:43:59.719 when it came to that. 883 00:44:00.280 --> 00:44:02.360 Yeah, I was surprised by that too, because it was 884 00:44:02.639 --> 00:44:05.039 apparent as soon as it started talking. I'm like, oh, 885 00:44:05.079 --> 00:44:09.920 this is a hal gag but roc hal. I mean 886 00:44:09.960 --> 00:44:15.719 they couldn't use IBM obviously, but go letters down again. 887 00:44:15.840 --> 00:44:18.079 It goes back to the elevator music gag of it 888 00:44:18.079 --> 00:44:20.280 all right, like that's what it was for. It feels 889 00:44:20.280 --> 00:44:22.000 like it's rocked just because it comes off as like 890 00:44:22.000 --> 00:44:23.920 a human beings. But they didn't want to use Hell 891 00:44:24.039 --> 00:44:31.000 this is I don't know, Yeah, maybe that wasn't This is. 892 00:44:31.000 --> 00:44:33.119 One of those movies. When it first started, I thought, 893 00:44:33.159 --> 00:44:35.719 oh god, I'm going to be writing down. I'm going 894 00:44:35.800 --> 00:44:39.840 to have three pages of just the gags. And I 895 00:44:39.880 --> 00:44:41.599 know we're not going to do that on the show. 896 00:44:41.679 --> 00:44:43.840 This is the projection booth. We're not going to do 897 00:44:43.960 --> 00:44:47.519 a just run through the gag type of episode. But 898 00:44:47.719 --> 00:44:51.199 you so easily could because, like you said, Chris, there's 899 00:44:51.400 --> 00:44:54.960 in jokes every thirty seconds, and eight of them are 900 00:44:55.039 --> 00:44:57.639 going to land and two of them might make it chuckle. 901 00:44:58.480 --> 00:45:02.960 But man, oh man, it was I was thinking this 902 00:45:03.039 --> 00:45:06.599 is going to be exhausting because it seems like they 903 00:45:06.639 --> 00:45:09.559 were laying it on even thicker than the first film. 904 00:45:09.599 --> 00:45:12.960 Just in that opening segment. It does slow down, but 905 00:45:14.079 --> 00:45:16.119 I thought, oh my god, this is going to be exhausting. 906 00:45:16.440 --> 00:45:16.639 Oh. 907 00:45:16.880 --> 00:45:19.159 I know one gag I wanted to mention because it's 908 00:45:19.199 --> 00:45:22.280 come up on our Chevy Chase stuff and some other 909 00:45:22.360 --> 00:45:27.960 comedy episodes we've done. The ubiquitous Japanese man with a 910 00:45:27.960 --> 00:45:31.920 bunch of cameras makes an appearance in this lovely eighties comedy. 911 00:45:32.719 --> 00:45:34.880 I love that gag in the eighties, didn't we. 912 00:45:35.400 --> 00:45:39.119 Yeah, boy, it's one of my favorites. The fuck movie. Yeah, 913 00:45:39.159 --> 00:45:41.280 Long Duck Dong. We're only a couple of years removed 914 00:45:41.320 --> 00:45:42.360 from Long Duc Dong. 915 00:45:42.320 --> 00:45:44.920 So and he's got a camera, right, doesn't it. 916 00:45:45.639 --> 00:45:48.360 He's a different kind of stereo hotwell, but I. 917 00:45:48.320 --> 00:45:51.559 Do think he his first appearance on screen, he's taken 918 00:45:51.559 --> 00:45:54.320 a picture of her. If I remembering that correctly, I've 919 00:45:54.360 --> 00:45:56.920 only watched the movie fifty times, but I could be 920 00:45:57.000 --> 00:46:00.800 misremembering it and just putting my own Asian guy with 921 00:46:00.920 --> 00:46:03.920 camera spin on it. But yeah, that was one of 922 00:46:03.960 --> 00:46:07.920 those just recurring. I'd love to see it YouTube. I'm 923 00:46:07.960 --> 00:46:11.519 sure there is one of all of that through the years, 924 00:46:12.000 --> 00:46:15.599 Asian man with camera or Asian person with camera, and 925 00:46:15.639 --> 00:46:20.199 it's probably forty five minutes long from two hundred different movies. 926 00:46:20.360 --> 00:46:23.599 Well, see, they were doing that in fucking Rush Hour. Yeah, 927 00:46:23.760 --> 00:46:26.239 I mean in Los Angeles. It's funny every time, Chris, 928 00:46:26.280 --> 00:46:29.559 It's funny every time. Okay, Yeah, because it's true. 929 00:46:29.960 --> 00:46:32.960 When you take a trip somewhere, that's always Asian people 930 00:46:33.000 --> 00:46:37.760 with cameras. Only Asian people take pictures. Yes, it's only 931 00:46:37.800 --> 00:46:39.519 Asian people that carry cameras. 932 00:46:39.599 --> 00:46:40.960 That's on their interesting. 933 00:46:41.320 --> 00:46:43.559 Yeah, there's types because they're true. 934 00:46:43.719 --> 00:46:44.400 Guys. Come on. 935 00:46:45.320 --> 00:46:48.000 I was just going through the script trying to see 936 00:46:48.079 --> 00:46:50.760 if rock is spelled out any place, and I cannot 937 00:46:50.800 --> 00:46:53.800 find it spelled any place as far as what it 938 00:46:53.920 --> 00:46:54.679 stands for. 939 00:46:54.800 --> 00:46:56.880 So I think that probably in my mind then it's 940 00:46:56.880 --> 00:46:59.039 probably meant to rhyme with cock. 941 00:46:59.440 --> 00:47:02.880 Yeah, this is it's great toll thing in the script 942 00:47:02.880 --> 00:47:07.679 about Simon taking a bottle of anti fear pills and 943 00:47:08.000 --> 00:47:11.480 like how he isn't afraid of anything because he's basically 944 00:47:11.519 --> 00:47:15.000 popping pills the whole time. I do remember. It starts 945 00:47:15.000 --> 00:47:20.079 off in like a South American country and there's a 946 00:47:20.320 --> 00:47:24.000 cross over Ted's bed with a full sized man on 947 00:47:24.199 --> 00:47:27.920 the cross. So I guess it's like that, hey, Striker, 948 00:47:27.920 --> 00:47:30.679 can I take a break kind of thing, but instead 949 00:47:30.679 --> 00:47:33.119 of there being a statue of Jesus, it's a dude 950 00:47:33.239 --> 00:47:36.000 standing up there. I'm like, okay, that would be interesting. 951 00:47:36.119 --> 00:47:39.840 But the script is interesting because it does have a 952 00:47:39.960 --> 00:47:42.760 ton of these jokes and just one after another, and 953 00:47:42.800 --> 00:47:44.559 they make it such that you can just pick up 954 00:47:44.599 --> 00:47:47.079 one and move it or just throw it away if 955 00:47:47.119 --> 00:47:49.880 you need to, and so it's remarkable what is there 956 00:47:49.920 --> 00:47:50.639 and what isn't. 957 00:47:51.320 --> 00:47:54.079 Yeah, they can put that blast back anywhere in the movie, 958 00:47:54.360 --> 00:47:58.199 really like the cutaway to him thinking about what happened before. 959 00:47:58.280 --> 00:48:01.760 Yet the format and I guess like function of this 960 00:48:01.840 --> 00:48:06.000 movie feels rather not interchangeable, but you can definitely move 961 00:48:06.079 --> 00:48:10.079 things around because the gags don't necessarily feel hinned in place. 962 00:48:10.559 --> 00:48:13.320 The gags are taking place within the scene. The gags 963 00:48:13.360 --> 00:48:16.519 aren't the scene themselves, is what it feels like, which 964 00:48:16.519 --> 00:48:19.079 I think these Zaz movies are obviously the best version 965 00:48:19.119 --> 00:48:21.320 of that. And then you have a lot of those 966 00:48:21.320 --> 00:48:23.360 movies that come afterwards that attempt to do it, but 967 00:48:23.440 --> 00:48:25.679 these are the original ones doing it the best. As 968 00:48:25.719 --> 00:48:27.079 far as I'm concerned. 969 00:48:27.400 --> 00:48:30.239 The later films, and I think we'd in relation to 970 00:48:30.400 --> 00:48:35.320 Airplane or the whole Police Squad deal, where it's just 971 00:48:35.719 --> 00:48:39.280 reference after reference, and you get a little bit of 972 00:48:39.320 --> 00:48:42.920 that here and a little bit in Airplane, but it's 973 00:48:42.960 --> 00:48:49.400 not the modern spook comedies today just refer to other things. 974 00:48:49.760 --> 00:48:53.440 So that's the joke. And then if they're referring to 975 00:48:53.519 --> 00:48:56.880 things that don't last, like we've got references here to 976 00:48:56.920 --> 00:48:59.719 Star Wars, like we had a reference to Jaws and 977 00:48:59.760 --> 00:49:02.519 the so we've got the Star Wars crawl in this. 978 00:49:02.599 --> 00:49:06.199 And then it turns on graphic, which I appreciated. You've 979 00:49:06.239 --> 00:49:10.679 got a Mission Impossible gag, which I'm surprised they didn't 980 00:49:10.679 --> 00:49:12.239 do in the first film. I don't think they did. 981 00:49:12.280 --> 00:49:15.039 And you got Peter Graves is sitting right there, and 982 00:49:15.039 --> 00:49:17.480 so you've got that. You've got the low boat gag, 983 00:49:17.760 --> 00:49:20.199 which today a lot of people aren't going to get 984 00:49:20.239 --> 00:49:23.280 any of those. But it's not just that it's not 985 00:49:23.840 --> 00:49:27.440 their plane. Too much like Airplane, unless you saw that 986 00:49:27.960 --> 00:49:32.079 original film for some reason that was totally straight film, 987 00:49:32.239 --> 00:49:36.119 you wouldn't get. Yes, it's spoofing catastrophe movies. This is 988 00:49:37.320 --> 00:49:39.360 more of the same. What does Elane say, I've got 989 00:49:39.360 --> 00:49:43.840 the strangest feeling We've been through this exact same thing before. Yeah, 990 00:49:43.880 --> 00:49:47.480 but we're going into space, and somehow this shuttle is 991 00:49:47.519 --> 00:49:51.679 able to fly however, many millions of miles it is 992 00:49:51.719 --> 00:49:54.280 to the Sun in a very short time. 993 00:49:55.320 --> 00:49:58.079 Very little fuel. Like the whole thing of the space 994 00:49:58.079 --> 00:50:00.960 shuttle is like so much of it was the fuel 995 00:50:01.079 --> 00:50:04.639 to break out of orbit. But yeah, and because they 996 00:50:04.639 --> 00:50:07.679 also show that other space shuttle that the kid controls 997 00:50:07.719 --> 00:50:10.320 and blows up. So I'm like, how many space shuttles 998 00:50:10.320 --> 00:50:12.679 are there at this point? Because they're talking about the 999 00:50:12.679 --> 00:50:15.800 may fol Hour one being this experimental shuttle, and I'm like, 1000 00:50:15.960 --> 00:50:17.679 but wait, there's this other shuttle right now? 1001 00:50:17.840 --> 00:50:21.039 Yeah, I think, yeah, that's the continuity here. 1002 00:50:21.320 --> 00:50:22.920 Cinema, cinema. 1003 00:50:23.639 --> 00:50:26.960 What kind of podcast did I wander into everything wrong 1004 00:50:27.000 --> 00:50:29.280 with airplane two in fifteen minutes? 1005 00:50:30.159 --> 00:50:31.679 Well, I'll tell you two things that are right with 1006 00:50:31.760 --> 00:50:34.559 airplane two. One is the appearance of mister George went 1007 00:50:34.920 --> 00:50:38.239 for a brief second, and the other one is Pat 1008 00:50:38.360 --> 00:50:41.559 Sajack as well. Hell yeah, that was great when he 1009 00:50:41.599 --> 00:50:44.039 shows up as the Buffalo fourteen news reporter. 1010 00:50:45.039 --> 00:50:49.239 Yeah, crazy, you're young, like twelve years old. Man, Oh yeah, 1011 00:50:49.239 --> 00:50:52.079 and the original Jeopardy host gets a gets a little 1012 00:50:52.079 --> 00:50:52.800 appearance there. 1013 00:50:53.599 --> 00:50:56.400 That's one of my favorite gags in the entire movies. 1014 00:50:56.440 --> 00:50:58.719 The crew is in jeopardy or the passengers are in 1015 00:50:58.800 --> 00:51:01.639 jeopardy and then it shows yeah and it shows oh 1016 00:51:01.679 --> 00:51:04.159 my god. Some of those are like, the best gags 1017 00:51:04.159 --> 00:51:06.519 of this movie are just h and there you go, 1018 00:51:06.599 --> 00:51:09.480 and we're just moving on. Don't sit and linger. I 1019 00:51:09.519 --> 00:51:12.480 appreciate that the movie doesn't linger because the mugging becomes 1020 00:51:12.519 --> 00:51:14.079 too much later on. 1021 00:51:14.880 --> 00:51:18.719 The literalism isn't over the top in this as well, though, 1022 00:51:19.719 --> 00:51:23.920 like some of the later Police Squad episodes and the 1023 00:51:24.000 --> 00:51:28.400 Naked Gun films where we get that literalism is the 1024 00:51:28.519 --> 00:51:32.039 gag repeatedly. If like the what is it gag, it's 1025 00:51:32.039 --> 00:51:35.039 the same. It's like, I you don't need fifteen examples 1026 00:51:35.079 --> 00:51:37.639 of that in the film, give me something new. 1027 00:51:38.599 --> 00:51:41.559 I like the use of the slow mo when Scraps 1028 00:51:41.599 --> 00:51:44.440 is saving the day, but especially the guy who breaks 1029 00:51:44.519 --> 00:51:47.079 and looks at his watch and then goes back to it. 1030 00:51:47.280 --> 00:51:49.480 That's pretty good tricks for the dog. He's a boy 1031 00:51:49.519 --> 00:51:52.360 dog too, and we don't get too much of that repeated, 1032 00:51:52.440 --> 00:51:55.199 and I was expecting it, and I'm like, oh, the 1033 00:51:55.239 --> 00:51:57.679 Poldergey's kid is in the cockpit, so we're gonna get 1034 00:51:57.679 --> 00:52:04.599 some overgag here. And of course the over younger done. 1035 00:52:04.760 --> 00:52:05.920 Which I thought that was nice. 1036 00:52:06.440 --> 00:52:09.840 Repeated but different names so it works. 1037 00:52:10.320 --> 00:52:12.760 And I'd like to see when Peter Graves is like 1038 00:52:13.199 --> 00:52:15.119 and he's just like trying to figure it all out. 1039 00:52:16.159 --> 00:52:19.440 Yeah, that was good. That's how you do the repeat 1040 00:52:19.519 --> 00:52:23.840 joke is throwing something new where even he's confused now. 1041 00:52:24.599 --> 00:52:26.119 And of course there's more of that in one of 1042 00:52:26.159 --> 00:52:29.079 the deleted scenes as well, with the over Yes, the. 1043 00:52:29.119 --> 00:52:31.920 Eggs over, et cetera. I'm sorry we don't do eggs over. 1044 00:52:32.280 --> 00:52:35.400 Talking of dumb jokes, but I really like the whole 1045 00:52:35.400 --> 00:52:39.079 thing that's going on with Chuck Connors and Lloyd Bridges 1046 00:52:39.199 --> 00:52:44.559 with the cigarette cigarette coffee thing. It's so simple and 1047 00:52:44.639 --> 00:52:46.639 so stupid, but I think they really pulled it off. 1048 00:52:46.639 --> 00:52:48.719 And to see those two actors going at it together, 1049 00:52:48.760 --> 00:52:51.039 I'm just like, yeah, I really like. Because that's the 1050 00:52:51.039 --> 00:52:53.280 thing I like about these movies too. It's like to 1051 00:52:53.360 --> 00:52:56.960 see the older actors where you're not used to seeing 1052 00:52:56.960 --> 00:53:00.559 them play comedy. Of course, now after not now and 1053 00:53:00.639 --> 00:53:03.840 not twenty twenty five, but back in nineteen ninety five, 1054 00:53:04.079 --> 00:53:06.840 it'd be like, oh, yeah, Lloyd Bridges, he plays the President, 1055 00:53:06.920 --> 00:53:09.119 he plays in all of these movies. Now he's just 1056 00:53:09.280 --> 00:53:13.239 he was Leslie Nielsen as Leslie Nielsen was just starting 1057 00:53:13.239 --> 00:53:14.199 to lessen Nielsen. 1058 00:53:14.920 --> 00:53:17.239 I would say Lloyd Bridges was more like the parody 1059 00:53:17.280 --> 00:53:19.400 guy in a lot of ways, because if you think 1060 00:53:19.400 --> 00:53:23.079 about it's Airplane one, Airplane two, then it's top Gun 1061 00:53:23.360 --> 00:53:26.400 or not top Gun, hot Shots, hot Shots, Pardue, where 1062 00:53:26.400 --> 00:53:29.400 he's in both of those movies, and then he's also 1063 00:53:29.480 --> 00:53:34.480 in Jane Austen's Moth where he plays Vincenzo ARMANI Winbreaker Cortino, 1064 00:53:34.599 --> 00:53:37.159 which is a hell of a name. I think Leslie 1065 00:53:37.199 --> 00:53:40.519 Nielsen's stuff that ends up being not good are his 1066 00:53:40.639 --> 00:53:43.840 like parody things like later parody, things like Dracula Dead 1067 00:53:43.880 --> 00:53:48.039 and Loving It, that Exorcist movie, Repossessed Man. Leslie Nielson 1068 00:53:48.039 --> 00:53:51.079 should have said to those movies, those movies are rough. 1069 00:53:51.599 --> 00:53:53.559 And yeah, like I said, it's just the saddest thing 1070 00:53:53.599 --> 00:53:56.880 to me that Shatner doesn't show up until one hour 1071 00:53:56.960 --> 00:54:00.400 and eight minutes in the movie, and he's just so 1072 00:54:00.599 --> 00:54:03.159 freaking good and he's again, he's slaying that Robert Stack. 1073 00:54:03.239 --> 00:54:05.840 Oh yeah, I know, Striker. He cracked up, and he's 1074 00:54:05.880 --> 00:54:07.880 even doing the same thing at the end. I think 1075 00:54:07.920 --> 00:54:10.840 that Stack does where he's like still giving the instructions 1076 00:54:10.880 --> 00:54:14.360 to Striker after the vehicle is landed kind of thing. 1077 00:54:14.719 --> 00:54:17.400 And I guess there's just atmosphere on the moon. We're 1078 00:54:17.400 --> 00:54:19.400 not going to go into all that stuff our way. 1079 00:54:19.559 --> 00:54:25.039 Sure, but we're not cinema sins, guys. 1080 00:54:25.920 --> 00:54:28.679 But I just love when Chattner is just like the 1081 00:54:28.760 --> 00:54:29.880 blinking and the lighting. 1082 00:54:30.360 --> 00:54:32.320 We've all got to switches lights and knobs a deal 1083 00:54:32.360 --> 00:54:35.119 with Striker. I mean down here there are literally one 1084 00:54:35.199 --> 00:54:39.360 hundreds and thousands. I'm blinking, beating and flashing lights, blinking 1085 00:54:39.480 --> 00:54:43.639 and beating and flashing, flashing and the beating. 1086 00:54:43.719 --> 00:54:45.199 I can't stand on him hard. 1087 00:54:45.239 --> 00:54:50.760 I'm blinking and maybe I'm already I'm all right. 1088 00:54:51.840 --> 00:54:54.639 He's just unhinged. And this is really the first time 1089 00:54:54.679 --> 00:54:57.360 we get to see Schattner playing this level of comedy 1090 00:54:57.440 --> 00:55:00.400 like we've seen him in things since then. Isn't he 1091 00:55:00.440 --> 00:55:02.800 in one of those parody movies. 1092 00:55:02.719 --> 00:55:06.360 Chitta ampoons Loaded Weapon won Loaded Weapon? Because he's got 1093 00:55:06.400 --> 00:55:08.559 the fish in his mouth, right he bites the Piranha. 1094 00:55:08.760 --> 00:55:10.599 We know he can do it, but this is still 1095 00:55:10.760 --> 00:55:13.840 nineteen eighty two. This is the same year that Wrath 1096 00:55:13.880 --> 00:55:14.920 of Kind is coming out. 1097 00:55:15.440 --> 00:55:18.400 I thought, oh, SHOT's gonna be phoning it in, but no, 1098 00:55:18.599 --> 00:55:22.119 he was like, zing, he's funny, and he's really funny 1099 00:55:22.119 --> 00:55:24.280 in this movie. I have to admit that gag of 1100 00:55:24.360 --> 00:55:28.519 him thinking the audience thinking that he's on screen and 1101 00:55:28.559 --> 00:55:32.440 he's just behind a door got me good. I lolled 1102 00:55:32.840 --> 00:55:34.360 as the kids say at that one. 1103 00:55:34.639 --> 00:55:37.159 That is what the kids say. Every single one of 1104 00:55:37.199 --> 00:55:38.239 them says that too. 1105 00:55:38.559 --> 00:55:42.039 I've heard in whispered tones through the pine that is, 1106 00:55:42.039 --> 00:55:45.199 in fact what the children are saying these days. What 1107 00:55:45.239 --> 00:55:46.719 are you, Seymour Skinner? 1108 00:55:48.159 --> 00:55:52.239 Am I so out of touch? No, it's the children 1109 00:55:52.280 --> 00:55:52.840 whoever wrong? 1110 00:55:53.599 --> 00:55:56.800 I love sandel Bergen shows up as one of the 1111 00:55:56.920 --> 00:56:01.599 officers there, the one holding ted Strikers four hundred Polka favorites. 1112 00:56:02.400 --> 00:56:03.280 Wish she had more to do. 1113 00:56:03.360 --> 00:56:04.719 It's worse than we ever imagined. 1114 00:56:04.880 --> 00:56:06.440 I've only seen her. I've only seen her in a 1115 00:56:06.440 --> 00:56:09.119 couple of things, Conan and all that Jazz, and I 1116 00:56:09.159 --> 00:56:11.159 love her in both, and so I wanted more. 1117 00:56:11.519 --> 00:56:13.639 Yeah, I really feel like she probably had a lot 1118 00:56:13.719 --> 00:56:16.199 more to do in this because yeah, I guess was 1119 00:56:16.239 --> 00:56:18.000 shot after the break. 1120 00:56:18.239 --> 00:56:23.000 Yeah, yeah, I'm whatever those deleted scenes were, I could 1121 00:56:23.000 --> 00:56:25.840 have handled seen her like that, So whatever movie thinks 1122 00:56:25.880 --> 00:56:26.199 a lot. 1123 00:56:26.400 --> 00:56:28.880 Yeah, that's the thing that there's a real mystery when 1124 00:56:28.920 --> 00:56:33.199 it comes to these deleted scenes, because yeah, there's some 1125 00:56:33.360 --> 00:56:37.599 that are known and some that I still cannot track down. 1126 00:56:37.760 --> 00:56:40.480 So I'm very excited to talk about that. So I 1127 00:56:40.519 --> 00:56:42.920 guess with that one, we should go ahead and take 1128 00:56:42.960 --> 00:56:44.760 a break, and we are going to hear back from 1129 00:56:44.920 --> 00:56:48.360 eight of people here. First, we're going to hear from 1130 00:56:48.559 --> 00:56:51.480 writer director Ken Finkleman. We're going to hear from writers 1131 00:56:51.519 --> 00:56:55.000 Al Jean and Mike Reese, and actors James A. Watson 1132 00:56:55.039 --> 00:56:57.559 and Robert Hayes himself, and we'll be back with all 1133 00:56:57.559 --> 00:56:59.679 of that right after these brief messages. 1134 00:57:07.519 --> 00:57:11.119 Hello everyone, this is Malcolm McDowell. I just want to 1135 00:57:11.159 --> 00:57:15.559 say that this is a request to listeners of the 1136 00:57:15.719 --> 00:57:21.199 Projection Booth podcast to become patrons of the show via 1137 00:57:21.719 --> 00:57:26.239 Patreon dot com, p A t R e O N 1138 00:57:26.679 --> 00:57:30.039 dot com slash Projection Booth. 1139 00:57:30.679 --> 00:57:31.559 That's pretty simple. 1140 00:57:31.719 --> 00:57:32.679 I think you can do that. 1141 00:57:33.360 --> 00:57:37.199 It's a great show and Mike. He provides hours of 1142 00:57:37.360 --> 00:57:40.920 great entertainment. So now it's time to give back my 1143 00:57:41.039 --> 00:57:44.800 little drovies. Settle down and take a listen and have 1144 00:57:44.920 --> 00:57:48.039 a sip of the old Molocco, and then you'll be 1145 00:57:48.119 --> 00:57:49.239 ready for a little of the. 1146 00:57:49.239 --> 00:57:52.480 Old in Out, in Out Real Horror Show. 1147 00:57:53.000 --> 00:57:56.159 Bye Bye. 1148 00:58:00.119 --> 00:58:02.400 Welcome to the interview portion of the show. First up, 1149 00:58:02.440 --> 00:58:06.119 we're going to hear from writer director Ken Finkleman. Please 1150 00:58:06.159 --> 00:58:07.960 be warned that I recorded this all the way back 1151 00:58:08.000 --> 00:58:10.639 in twenty eleven for a book project that I'll talk 1152 00:58:10.679 --> 00:58:12.719 about a little bit later. So this was a little 1153 00:58:12.719 --> 00:58:15.599 bit more conversational than I usually like, and the audio 1154 00:58:15.679 --> 00:58:18.280 quality is definitely like that i'd like to present these days. 1155 00:58:18.559 --> 00:58:21.519 Also note that the late PJ. Torokvey, i believe is 1156 00:58:21.519 --> 00:58:25.079 how you pronounced it, was formerly Peter Torocvey. It was 1157 00:58:25.159 --> 00:58:27.159 under this name that she wrote most of her work, 1158 00:58:27.199 --> 00:58:28.480 including Caddyshack two. 1159 00:58:29.159 --> 00:58:32.000 It was your first directing gig, right, Oh, it was 1160 00:58:32.039 --> 00:58:34.639 a very unusual job. Wait, but I got that job. 1161 00:58:34.960 --> 00:58:36.920 But there's one thing I do want to say about this, 1162 00:58:37.519 --> 00:58:40.400 because when I look at at my girlfriend, this is 1163 00:58:40.400 --> 00:58:44.840 a re that she she runs the effect what they 1164 00:58:44.840 --> 00:58:48.960 call it anwfactual television neives reality in a big company here, 1165 00:58:49.440 --> 00:58:52.159 and William Shatner is doing all these shows now, she's 1166 00:58:52.199 --> 00:58:57.199 like everywhere. He's eighty, right, but he looks like sixty. 1167 00:58:57.679 --> 00:59:03.039 And he's made a career out of out of satirizing himself. 1168 00:59:03.679 --> 00:59:07.000 And he even wrote a biography in all it, and 1169 00:59:07.079 --> 00:59:09.400 he never mentioned a biography. I was the first one 1170 00:59:09.719 --> 00:59:12.639 in Airplane two to get him to do it the 1171 00:59:12.880 --> 00:59:16.840 very first time he ever satirized his over the top 1172 00:59:17.039 --> 00:59:23.400 Shakespearean Captain Kirk Pausing style too, and I gotten to 1173 00:59:23.440 --> 00:59:26.519 do it for Airplane two, and he hadn't done it before, 1174 00:59:26.880 --> 00:59:30.039 And he made an industry of it afterward, and never 1175 00:59:30.079 --> 00:59:31.559 gave me credit because I don't think you ever liked 1176 00:59:32.159 --> 00:59:33.599 I don't think we got along very well when we 1177 00:59:33.599 --> 00:59:36.800 were doing it, but that was just my view of it. 1178 00:59:36.880 --> 00:59:39.800 But that was the beginning of it. So he developed 1179 00:59:39.800 --> 00:59:41.840 an industry out of that character. 1180 00:59:42.559 --> 00:59:43.960 How did you get this job? 1181 00:59:44.639 --> 00:59:46.679 I was putting in New York at the time, and 1182 00:59:46.960 --> 00:59:50.039 I had done a CBC radio show a couple of 1183 00:59:50.079 --> 00:59:51.960 years before this time that I was in New York, 1184 00:59:52.719 --> 00:59:56.079 and a couple of voices that I used were characters 1185 00:59:56.079 --> 00:59:58.880 from Second city in Toronto, and she gets a phone 1186 00:59:58.880 --> 01:00:00.880 call while I'm sitting there talking to her, and it's 1187 01:00:00.880 --> 01:00:03.199 from these two guys. And I think one of them 1188 01:00:03.400 --> 01:00:06.519 is anyway, was a guy that I had used him 1189 01:00:06.679 --> 01:00:08.960 as a I did a TV pilot for the CBC 1190 01:00:09.639 --> 01:00:12.880 and he was a character on it. And lo and behold. 1191 01:00:12.880 --> 01:00:17.199 These two guys are from Toronto, are Steve Campman and 1192 01:00:17.559 --> 01:00:21.079 the Peter Torky were their names. Were working on a 1193 01:00:21.119 --> 01:00:24.039 project in la which was a sequel to the Airplane movie, 1194 01:00:24.039 --> 01:00:26.239 because the lookers didn't want to do a sequel, and 1195 01:00:26.360 --> 01:00:30.800 Paramount then signed up three different teams of writers to 1196 01:00:30.840 --> 01:00:33.519 write scripts and see what one would be the best 1197 01:00:33.559 --> 01:00:36.280 for the sequel. Now to do this and put teams 1198 01:00:36.320 --> 01:00:38.840 to writers in a race with each other, frowned upon 1199 01:00:38.960 --> 01:00:42.519 by the Writers Guild of America and let you notify 1200 01:00:43.119 --> 01:00:45.880 the writing parties, so everyone knew that they were in 1201 01:00:45.920 --> 01:00:48.000 a bit of a horse race here, okay. And these 1202 01:00:48.000 --> 01:00:50.679 two guys were one of the teams going for it. 1203 01:00:51.360 --> 01:00:53.639 And they had gotten nowhere and then the phone rings 1204 01:00:53.679 --> 01:00:56.880 in there and this woman's office, I'm there and she 1205 01:00:57.199 --> 01:00:59.079 he said, oh, I got from the else in Toronto 1206 01:00:59.119 --> 01:01:01.159 my office on and they cook me on the phone 1207 01:01:01.199 --> 01:01:03.000 and say, oh yeah. We start chatting and they say 1208 01:01:03.280 --> 01:01:04.760 what are you doing? And I say what are you doing? 1209 01:01:04.800 --> 01:01:07.199 And they're doing this and they haven't made much headway. 1210 01:01:07.480 --> 01:01:10.239 Would I work with them? They get the approval paramount 1211 01:01:10.239 --> 01:01:14.559 to ship Neil Taile. So I go to LA and 1212 01:01:14.639 --> 01:01:17.400 I start working with them at I think it was 1213 01:01:17.440 --> 01:01:20.440 Peter Truckley's house by the pool, and we worked for 1214 01:01:20.440 --> 01:01:22.760 a couple of weeks. We at nowhere, and so I said, well, 1215 01:01:22.760 --> 01:01:24.880 I'll go go home and I'll start working on this thing, 1216 01:01:24.920 --> 01:01:27.400 and you guys work here. And so I went back 1217 01:01:27.440 --> 01:01:30.920 to Toronto and pecked away at get this a selectric. 1218 01:01:31.400 --> 01:01:32.639 And then I get a phone call a couple of 1219 01:01:32.639 --> 01:01:35.639 weeks later that from this one of them saying, my 1220 01:01:36.039 --> 01:01:39.800 partner wants to bail. I think that. Were you right 1221 01:01:39.840 --> 01:01:41.920 to stop and all? And I said, I was, I'm 1222 01:01:41.920 --> 01:01:44.280 not that familiar with the industry in Los Angeles, but 1223 01:01:44.320 --> 01:01:46.480 I wasn't born yesterday. Let me think about this. So 1224 01:01:46.519 --> 01:01:49.840 I immediately phoned the executive in charge of the project 1225 01:01:49.880 --> 01:01:53.400 after that phone call, who was Jeff Katzenberg, and I said, 1226 01:01:53.599 --> 01:01:56.159 I came in late on this. I don't know what 1227 01:01:56.679 --> 01:01:59.000 quite what to do, except I don't. I'm not going 1228 01:01:59.079 --> 01:02:03.199 to get fucked over anyone, and I will continue on 1229 01:02:03.239 --> 01:02:08.400 this if I continue on my own. And he said, okay, 1230 01:02:08.440 --> 01:02:10.519 hang up, and then I hung up, and then look 1231 01:02:10.559 --> 01:02:12.119 ten minutes of the re phone back, he said, okay, 1232 01:02:12.480 --> 01:02:14.760 both those guys are gone. Send me what you've got 1233 01:02:14.880 --> 01:02:17.960 and I said that son, I said, it's only cotton pasted. Now, 1234 01:02:18.000 --> 01:02:21.480 this was the time of true cotton pasting, where you 1235 01:02:21.880 --> 01:02:26.159 cut the paper and you took the transparent scotch tape 1236 01:02:26.199 --> 01:02:28.639 and you tape one scene you organize to them, and 1237 01:02:28.679 --> 01:02:30.679 I said, I should haven't know what I said anything 1238 01:02:30.760 --> 01:02:33.519 notes the movie. I said, I got fifty pages of jokes. 1239 01:02:33.800 --> 01:02:36.719 He said, just tennd it to aesthetics. So I sent 1240 01:02:36.800 --> 01:02:38.639 it to them, and then a couple of days later 1241 01:02:38.639 --> 01:02:40.360 I get a call they said, come to La finish it. 1242 01:02:41.119 --> 01:02:44.320 When I led through the gate at Paramount to finish 1243 01:02:44.320 --> 01:02:47.559 that script, I said, you're over the wall and it'll 1244 01:02:47.599 --> 01:02:49.639 take all the King's horses and then to get you out. 1245 01:02:49.679 --> 01:02:51.599 And that's when I knew I was in and I 1246 01:02:51.679 --> 01:02:54.199 was in the movie business because I'm an ambitious character 1247 01:02:54.239 --> 01:02:57.039 by nature, and I knew I was in nothing's going 1248 01:02:57.119 --> 01:02:59.239 to get me out. And so I finished the script 1249 01:02:59.239 --> 01:03:01.719 and then and then rewrite it, to rewrite and crazy 1250 01:03:01.800 --> 01:03:05.599 and writing jokes. And then one day Michael Eifner comes 1251 01:03:05.639 --> 01:03:08.199 into an office and I'm sitting there with another executive 1252 01:03:08.199 --> 01:03:11.000 the name as Larry Marks, and I just scupped a 1253 01:03:11.079 --> 01:03:14.199 script and and I'd done that, and at that time, 1254 01:03:14.599 --> 01:03:17.199 the officer the office of Paramount are very small. They're 1255 01:03:17.199 --> 01:03:19.800 in an old building from the old days, and all 1256 01:03:19.800 --> 01:03:23.280 the executive the executives were first one the junior executives, 1257 01:03:23.519 --> 01:03:26.599 then Caxenberg, who was still a junior executive, and then 1258 01:03:26.679 --> 01:03:29.719 Don Simpson do you remember Don Simpson's since farmer fame? 1259 01:03:29.880 --> 01:03:33.400 And then Simpson was president in production, and then Eisner 1260 01:03:33.679 --> 01:03:36.320 was above him another office, and then Diller was at 1261 01:03:36.320 --> 01:03:37.800 the end of the hall. That was what it was. 1262 01:03:38.599 --> 01:03:41.320 That's what it looked like that and I said, and 1263 01:03:41.360 --> 01:03:43.639 I'm tuning this office. And Eisler watched with who can 1264 01:03:43.639 --> 01:03:45.840 you get to do the script? And look this guy, 1265 01:03:45.920 --> 01:03:50.559 Larry Marks to him, think about and he's a reader tonight. 1266 01:03:51.320 --> 01:03:52.920 So I read the script and it was a script 1267 01:03:52.960 --> 01:03:55.239 that they wanted to do for John Belushi, and it 1268 01:03:55.320 --> 01:04:00.519 was a joy effects and it was shitty, horrible, stupid, right. 1269 01:04:00.880 --> 01:04:02.320 And so the next day I'm supposed to come to 1270 01:04:02.400 --> 01:04:04.360 his office and I came an hour and a half late, 1271 01:04:04.400 --> 01:04:06.400 and he was pressed off. But I didn't. I didn't 1272 01:04:06.639 --> 01:04:09.679 what is I I was from? I was out of 1273 01:04:09.679 --> 01:04:12.880 the sixties, seventies. I was a read doctor, baby, I was. 1274 01:04:13.679 --> 01:04:16.199 I was. I didn't have any respect for authority of 1275 01:04:16.280 --> 01:04:18.320 out of Winnipeg. I didn't give a fuck about these guys, 1276 01:04:18.360 --> 01:04:22.039 right and how and but he was the secretary called 1277 01:04:22.079 --> 01:04:25.400 what are you? What do I care? And so I 1278 01:04:25.480 --> 01:04:28.360 moved into his office and he says to me, and 1279 01:04:28.400 --> 01:04:32.119 I'm not being flip about this. I'd really had that attitude. 1280 01:04:33.079 --> 01:04:37.880 I really did not. It was really a very defining 1281 01:04:37.960 --> 01:04:39.760 thing for me in my mind, not to suck up 1282 01:04:39.800 --> 01:04:41.880 to these guys, right. And the funny thing is, at 1283 01:04:41.920 --> 01:04:43.079 the end of the day, you end up in the 1284 01:04:43.079 --> 01:04:44.679 same position, whether you suck up to them or not. 1285 01:04:45.480 --> 01:04:48.039 So I just didn't. And he said will you do this? 1286 01:04:49.079 --> 01:04:51.360 And I said, I'm rewriting this. He didn't know. Will 1287 01:04:51.400 --> 01:04:55.199 you directed? And I said what? And he said, Larry 1288 01:04:55.239 --> 01:04:59.000 said that you could direct. I said direct. I said, 1289 01:04:59.000 --> 01:05:01.440 I don't know. One of the camera from another. He said, 1290 01:05:01.480 --> 01:05:03.119 you're not going to do this, and I said, no, 1291 01:05:03.239 --> 01:05:05.599 I can't do this is crazy, so I kind of 1292 01:05:05.679 --> 01:05:09.079 less so now in his mind this is I figured 1293 01:05:09.119 --> 01:05:12.440 this whole narrative out later. I'm a director who's passed 1294 01:05:12.440 --> 01:05:15.280 on him. So when Airplane two is finished, she says, 1295 01:05:15.760 --> 01:05:17.320 see if I can get thinklem in and do it. 1296 01:05:17.960 --> 01:05:20.400 So I did it. I get a screen like a 1297 01:05:20.400 --> 01:05:22.800 cast of a couple of scenes which was pointing the 1298 01:05:22.840 --> 01:05:25.679 camera who was talking basically, and then they said okay, 1299 01:05:25.719 --> 01:05:27.679 do it. So then I did it, and I hated 1300 01:05:27.800 --> 01:05:30.199 every second of it. I was shooting a picture on 1301 01:05:30.239 --> 01:05:32.679 the Paramount lock and every day I wanted to walk. 1302 01:05:32.880 --> 01:05:35.519 Every time I walked to the cam, which was outside 1303 01:05:35.519 --> 01:05:38.800 the studio, there was like toilets outside to take a leak. 1304 01:05:38.960 --> 01:05:42.639 I just want to keep walking. I just hated every decond. 1305 01:05:43.119 --> 01:05:45.079 I don't think I was ever more insane in my 1306 01:05:45.119 --> 01:05:48.800 whole life, being feeling the pressure. Every morning Castenberg calls me, 1307 01:05:48.840 --> 01:05:50.920 there's off seven thirty to beat me up about the dailies. 1308 01:05:51.280 --> 01:05:54.320 And I don't think I ever had felt so much 1309 01:05:54.320 --> 01:05:56.840 pressure over something. It wouldn't have bothered me if it 1310 01:05:56.880 --> 01:06:00.199 was important, but it was so trite. That's what drove 1311 01:06:00.280 --> 01:06:03.840 me insane, the fact that it was meaningless. It was 1312 01:06:03.920 --> 01:06:07.119 less than meaningless, and it drove me not. I hated 1313 01:06:07.280 --> 01:06:11.400 every moment of it. I'd come from a left wing 1314 01:06:11.480 --> 01:06:16.199 political background. I'm raised, go to school and university with 1315 01:06:16.280 --> 01:06:19.440 all these guys kids, guys that are all We're all 1316 01:06:19.519 --> 01:06:23.280 from Winnipeg, which is a hotbed of North American socialism. 1317 01:06:23.519 --> 01:06:26.079 We're all opposed to the system. I'm right at the 1318 01:06:26.079 --> 01:06:29.880 fucking belly of it, and it's driving me nuts. So 1319 01:06:30.079 --> 01:06:33.519 it was a trying experience. But the thing is, I 1320 01:06:33.559 --> 01:06:36.079 have this quirk, and it's a quirk. I guess a 1321 01:06:36.119 --> 01:06:39.000 lot of that draws a lot of guys to Hollywood. 1322 01:06:39.239 --> 01:06:40.960 I could write jokes, just the quirky thing. 1323 01:06:41.000 --> 01:06:43.760 Somebody could say, write pen jokes about a glass of water. 1324 01:06:44.039 --> 01:06:44.440 I can do it. 1325 01:06:45.159 --> 01:06:47.960 Did you know going in, who is going to be back? 1326 01:06:48.079 --> 01:06:51.719 Did you say, okay, for sure? Robert Hayes and Julie Haggerty, Right, 1327 01:06:51.800 --> 01:06:52.239 they're back. 1328 01:06:52.320 --> 01:06:56.880 Yeah, And what's his name? Peter Graves, yeah, Richesihun and 1329 01:06:56.960 --> 01:06:58.519 Lloyd Bridges yeah, Lloyd Bridges. 1330 01:06:58.599 --> 01:06:58.760 Yeah. 1331 01:06:59.599 --> 01:07:00.800 But then there's suggests. 1332 01:07:00.840 --> 01:07:03.199 Briefly, Leslie Nielsen makes an appearance in here. 1333 01:07:03.440 --> 01:07:05.119 No, I don't think he does. He's not in the movie. 1334 01:07:05.679 --> 01:07:07.719 He didn't want to do the movie the sequel because 1335 01:07:07.719 --> 01:07:09.480 the Zucker Brothers didn't do it. But he was a 1336 01:07:09.519 --> 01:07:10.440 bit of a prick. I think. 1337 01:07:11.000 --> 01:07:12.360 I didn't think I had a run in with him, 1338 01:07:12.360 --> 01:07:14.159 but I got the understanding that he was an asshole, 1339 01:07:14.320 --> 01:07:16.679 where his brother was a supreme asshole. He was the 1340 01:07:16.800 --> 01:07:20.239 assistant prime minister to the prime minister, and you know 1341 01:07:20.320 --> 01:07:23.599 the Canadians Lessie Nilsen and his brother was this real 1342 01:07:23.960 --> 01:07:26.840 hard nose political creep. 1343 01:07:27.400 --> 01:07:27.599 Yeah. 1344 01:07:27.679 --> 01:07:30.760 You just had him in here for two lines and 1345 01:07:30.880 --> 01:07:34.159 that was it. Yeah, maybe I don't know. Yeah, he 1346 01:07:34.400 --> 01:07:36.679 gives someone some water and that the controller says, what 1347 01:07:36.800 --> 01:07:39.199 is a doctor? He says, two parts of oxygen, one 1348 01:07:39.239 --> 01:07:40.039 part high. 1349 01:07:40.079 --> 01:07:42.559 Yeah. Those all I know of going after the jokes 1350 01:07:42.559 --> 01:07:44.679 that they did for the first one and that whoa, 1351 01:07:45.039 --> 01:07:48.079 this is what. Oh. Now, I remember with the writers. 1352 01:07:48.159 --> 01:07:50.199 I'm sitting at their pool and we were trying to 1353 01:07:50.239 --> 01:07:52.719 write the strict and they want to do something completely different. 1354 01:07:52.760 --> 01:07:56.199 And I said, you guys, I don't know anything about 1355 01:07:56.199 --> 01:07:58.760 the movie business, but I think when they're doing a sequel, 1356 01:07:59.039 --> 01:08:01.559 they want to come very quote to what was done before. 1357 01:08:02.360 --> 01:08:05.840 I want something different, I said. And I'm this is 1358 01:08:05.960 --> 01:08:09.559 my ultimate cynicism coming into play here. They want the 1359 01:08:09.679 --> 01:08:10.239 same thing. 1360 01:08:12.239 --> 01:08:13.920 Had they already had the shuttle idea? 1361 01:08:14.039 --> 01:08:16.199 Or was that your idea? And I think that was 1362 01:08:16.239 --> 01:08:19.359 a network as a studio. Yeah, that was a studio idea. 1363 01:08:19.960 --> 01:08:22.560 She went to the fucking idea. That's terribly true, but 1364 01:08:22.960 --> 01:08:24.319 it was their idea. What am I going to do? 1365 01:08:24.359 --> 01:08:26.840 They're paying me money. I got a door open to 1366 01:08:26.920 --> 01:08:31.039 being in Hollywood. And a number of years later, many 1367 01:08:31.119 --> 01:08:34.119 years later, my wife we will go to law school 1368 01:08:34.159 --> 01:08:36.920 together and then she becomes a judge here. And I 1369 01:08:37.359 --> 01:08:39.359 used to say, I'm looking at my job in Hollywood. 1370 01:08:39.359 --> 01:08:40.399 And that's why I got out of Hollywood. 1371 01:08:40.399 --> 01:08:40.640 I said. 1372 01:08:40.720 --> 01:08:42.600 My wife trying to decide here as a judge to 1373 01:08:42.680 --> 01:08:44.800 put a young guy in jail or not. And I'm 1374 01:08:44.800 --> 01:08:47.279 trying to decide whether dress to dress the guy in 1375 01:08:47.319 --> 01:08:49.640 the bear costume or the gorilla costume. And I said, 1376 01:08:50.079 --> 01:08:52.760 I got to get out of Hollywood. Gotta get out. 1377 01:08:53.119 --> 01:08:55.359 I gotta get out of here. I've got to get 1378 01:08:55.399 --> 01:08:55.840 out of here. 1379 01:08:56.319 --> 01:08:59.520 You don't ask questions in Hollywood, you don't argue in Hollywood. 1380 01:09:00.039 --> 01:09:01.840 In writers me, You don't. You just gnawd your head. 1381 01:09:01.920 --> 01:09:04.119 They're paying you a shipload of money to do something 1382 01:09:04.159 --> 01:09:06.279 that you don't have any connection to it all. You 1383 01:09:06.319 --> 01:09:08.439 don't feel any pride in, you don't feel any connection, 1384 01:09:08.520 --> 01:09:10.800 and you just do what they say. It doesn't make 1385 01:09:10.800 --> 01:09:12.960 any sense to aren't you. I always said, if I'm 1386 01:09:12.960 --> 01:09:14.840 going to be there, I'm never going to write anything 1387 01:09:15.560 --> 01:09:17.760 that I will be in a position that I have 1388 01:09:18.000 --> 01:09:23.119 to defend because I will lose the fight. And I 1389 01:09:23.159 --> 01:09:26.359 won't do that. I will write stupid, silly stuff and 1390 01:09:26.520 --> 01:09:27.560 take the money and run. 1391 01:09:28.399 --> 01:09:30.920 I have to say, though, I've found myself laughing out 1392 01:09:30.960 --> 01:09:31.840 loud at this script. 1393 01:09:32.720 --> 01:09:36.159 That's great, I appreciate. Yeah. I just finished a show 1394 01:09:36.159 --> 01:09:39.159 and I'm just waiting for my We've done ten episodes 1395 01:09:39.199 --> 01:09:41.680 and I've seen the attende the first one. I'm waiting 1396 01:09:41.720 --> 01:09:44.119 for the second one tonight to screen it in about 1397 01:09:44.159 --> 01:09:46.920 five minutes. Oh nice, for ten minutes. Yeah, and people 1398 01:09:46.960 --> 01:09:49.000 are laughing at that them, which makes you feel good. 1399 01:09:49.720 --> 01:09:53.039 How did stuff change from the script until the final product. 1400 01:09:53.319 --> 01:09:55.239 Did you have control all the way through or did you. 1401 01:09:55.640 --> 01:09:58.439 I had control of nothing. I got two writers that 1402 01:09:58.520 --> 01:10:02.600 come from the East were working for the Harvard Lamprun 1403 01:10:02.680 --> 01:10:04.279 and they came and they stayed at my house in 1404 01:10:04.640 --> 01:10:06.960 LA and they helped me with the script, but actually 1405 01:10:06.960 --> 01:10:08.640 I did never use any of the mature One was 1406 01:10:08.720 --> 01:10:10.720 that and then we became good friends, we lived together, 1407 01:10:11.119 --> 01:10:13.199 and it was and that It was their first job 1408 01:10:13.279 --> 01:10:15.359 in Hollywood. It was Mike Greece and Al Jean who 1409 01:10:15.399 --> 01:10:17.079 became the producers of the Simpson. 1410 01:10:17.399 --> 01:10:19.640 The one thing that I find fascinating too about the 1411 01:10:19.680 --> 01:10:23.279 whole Airplane two story is how it changed from the 1412 01:10:23.399 --> 01:10:27.960 theatrical version to the TV version. And apparently they have 1413 01:10:28.239 --> 01:10:32.600 changed all of the references to Ronald reg all the 1414 01:10:32.680 --> 01:10:35.439 references to Ronald Reagan have been taken out, or the 1415 01:10:35.479 --> 01:10:37.439 way the gohead. 1416 01:10:37.159 --> 01:10:38.720 Oh you mean to mean just for playing? 1417 01:10:38.920 --> 01:10:39.960 Are you serious? 1418 01:10:40.439 --> 01:10:40.680 Yeah? 1419 01:10:40.960 --> 01:10:45.520 Yeah? Are you serious? Because he's so worshiped in the US, 1420 01:10:45.600 --> 01:10:48.039 isn't it because he was, say he won first election 1421 01:10:48.159 --> 01:10:49.119 nineteen eighty Yeah. 1422 01:10:49.119 --> 01:10:51.359 And yeah, you already had the jokes going in there, 1423 01:10:51.399 --> 01:10:53.600 and then you had a good Gerald Ford joke in 1424 01:10:53.720 --> 01:10:54.600 hair as well too. 1425 01:10:55.239 --> 01:10:57.600 I don't remember that, but anyway, is that amazing? So 1426 01:10:57.680 --> 01:11:00.680 I but I know the residuals are still good, so 1427 01:11:00.800 --> 01:11:03.600 I guess they sell it around the Worldstone do. 1428 01:11:03.640 --> 01:11:07.039 You had the one mental hospital for the mentally feeble, 1429 01:11:07.079 --> 01:11:10.279 and then you had the Ronald Reagan Institute of Supply 1430 01:11:10.439 --> 01:11:13.199 Side Economics and hospital for the criminally insane. 1431 01:11:14.079 --> 01:11:18.119 Oh god, supply side economics, Oh god. Remember that guy 1432 01:11:18.239 --> 01:11:21.920 that was Stockman, the kind of the guru of supply 1433 01:11:22.079 --> 01:11:24.479 side economics. Yeah, and I'll tell you I remember being 1434 01:11:24.520 --> 01:11:26.439 with eyes there once where I said, why can't we 1435 01:11:26.479 --> 01:11:28.920 put that joke in because I don't want it? And 1436 01:11:29.039 --> 01:11:31.159 it was I think that they were doing a poll 1437 01:11:31.600 --> 01:11:34.079 that when the thing was about the crash, the flight 1438 01:11:34.119 --> 01:11:37.039 attendants were pulling what the people wanted, and then one 1439 01:11:37.079 --> 01:11:39.520 of the questions was the mayor get out of Nicaragua, 1440 01:11:40.079 --> 01:11:42.680 and she said, I don't want that joke. So I 1441 01:11:42.760 --> 01:11:44.640 had all these political jokes that came out of nowhere, 1442 01:11:44.680 --> 01:11:50.960 and they were very extremely Kaptinberg violently right wing. The 1443 01:11:51.079 --> 01:11:52.920 other thing that makes me said is that apparently there 1444 01:11:52.960 --> 01:11:55.520 are a bunch of scenes that were shot and. 1445 01:11:55.600 --> 01:11:58.800 They're not available anymore. Maybe they got shown on the 1446 01:11:58.840 --> 01:12:00.319 television version and maybe they. 1447 01:12:00.319 --> 01:12:01.399 Didn't like they roll. 1448 01:12:01.880 --> 01:12:05.880 Yeah, the whole intro to Lloyd Bridges' character because you 1449 01:12:06.039 --> 01:12:08.399 had him at the actually maybe that was where the 1450 01:12:08.520 --> 01:12:12.000 gerald Ford home for the senile was. You've got him 1451 01:12:12.039 --> 01:12:16.239 in his Sea Hunt outfit and stuff. Really yeah, and 1452 01:12:16.359 --> 01:12:18.960 he's and then his line looks like a pick wrong. 1453 01:12:19.000 --> 01:12:22.000 We to go to circle and Senile and then the 1454 01:12:22.079 --> 01:12:25.319 other one is some Texan And you've got a recurring 1455 01:12:25.439 --> 01:12:27.960 joke going on to the screen planet and they say 1456 01:12:28.039 --> 01:12:31.079 that when it shows on television that there is part 1457 01:12:31.159 --> 01:12:34.199 of the joke of he asked for something to read 1458 01:12:34.680 --> 01:12:39.039 and the stewardess brings over like the entire Torah and 1459 01:12:39.159 --> 01:12:41.399 he reads the Torah on the flight and becomes a 1460 01:12:41.560 --> 01:12:43.560 acidic Jew as the flight was going along. 1461 01:12:44.039 --> 01:12:44.680 I don't remember. 1462 01:12:44.760 --> 01:12:46.600 And you've got him into to fill in and all 1463 01:12:46.640 --> 01:12:47.199 that stuff. 1464 01:12:47.359 --> 01:12:48.880 Wait, but Philin, are you Jewish? 1465 01:12:49.359 --> 01:12:49.399 No? 1466 01:12:49.600 --> 01:12:51.560 But you had that in the How did you ask. 1467 01:12:51.479 --> 01:12:54.159 A good pronunciation of filling or a guy who's not 1468 01:12:54.199 --> 01:12:56.720 a Jew? Holy Christ? And there's not in the film. 1469 01:12:57.239 --> 01:12:58.159 That's not in the film. 1470 01:12:58.239 --> 01:13:01.399 No, And then where do you find They showed it 1471 01:13:01.520 --> 01:13:03.880 that way on Comedy Central and. 1472 01:13:03.960 --> 01:13:05.079 I happened and. 1473 01:13:07.000 --> 01:13:09.640 You found out what did you just a YouTube do? 1474 01:13:10.600 --> 01:13:10.640 No? 1475 01:13:10.880 --> 01:13:13.600 I looked all around and I finally I had to 1476 01:13:13.640 --> 01:13:15.720 pay some guy twenty bucks who had a copy of it, 1477 01:13:15.840 --> 01:13:18.239 and he sent it over to me. Then what I 1478 01:13:18.319 --> 01:13:21.319 did yesterday was I went through and I took a 1479 01:13:21.399 --> 01:13:24.279 video editor, and I opened up the theatrical or at 1480 01:13:24.359 --> 01:13:27.279 least the DVD version of it, and then the TV 1481 01:13:27.520 --> 01:13:29.560 version of it. And I went through and I compared 1482 01:13:29.600 --> 01:13:32.039 the two and I made it that's where all the 1483 01:13:32.079 --> 01:13:35.079 differences were. And I actually I cut all those TV 1484 01:13:35.199 --> 01:13:37.640 scenes out and I put those as a just one 1485 01:13:37.760 --> 01:13:39.600 file out on YouTube so that I could have it 1486 01:13:39.640 --> 01:13:41.840 for myself so I can look at what was different. 1487 01:13:42.119 --> 01:13:43.279 Even in the preview. 1488 01:13:43.760 --> 01:13:46.039 There's a trailer out there for the original movie, and 1489 01:13:46.159 --> 01:13:48.159 even in that, there's a couple of scenes that aren't 1490 01:13:48.159 --> 01:13:50.720 in there, Like you had a like this Carl Maldon 1491 01:13:50.760 --> 01:13:56.279 impersonator doing the American Express commercial thing, and that didn't 1492 01:13:56.279 --> 01:13:58.600 make it in there. And that's where I'm running into 1493 01:13:58.640 --> 01:14:00.720 some issues, because there's a couple names in there that 1494 01:14:00.880 --> 01:14:03.960 of people that are in the film that never made 1495 01:14:04.000 --> 01:14:05.720 it into it, including Aldo Ray. 1496 01:14:06.920 --> 01:14:11.039 I think he was singing although new York, New York 1497 01:14:11.199 --> 01:14:14.079 or something as well. Back then. I must the thought 1498 01:14:14.119 --> 01:14:17.520 of him as a kind of guy that was like like. 1499 01:14:17.600 --> 01:14:24.640 Crup like like she can play in the the American films, 1500 01:14:24.920 --> 01:14:29.119 that the a guy would be what with p like 1501 01:14:29.239 --> 01:14:31.600 he would like the bull jerk in the Second World 1502 01:14:31.680 --> 01:14:34.000 War movie. I think he was so bad in the 1503 01:14:34.079 --> 01:14:35.399 movie that he cut him out. 1504 01:14:36.199 --> 01:14:38.800 How was it actually directing your first film? How was 1505 01:14:38.840 --> 01:14:39.960 it working with the actors? 1506 01:14:40.880 --> 01:14:44.359 I don't remember what's channel. 1507 01:14:44.479 --> 01:14:50.479 I seem to remember baby, remember having a sense that 1508 01:14:50.600 --> 01:14:54.479 I knew what I was doing in that area. Just 1509 01:14:54.600 --> 01:14:57.039 let people do what they did. And I really have 1510 01:14:57.079 --> 01:15:01.199 to change that much. Even dre deal about Jersey and 1511 01:15:02.880 --> 01:15:05.359 do something completely wrong, trying to help him a lot, 1512 01:15:06.199 --> 01:15:10.520 But you generally stuck people. I never Drewie Hagerty been 1513 01:15:10.640 --> 01:15:16.079 very nervous, and and I was a complete novice, and 1514 01:15:16.479 --> 01:15:21.880 I didn't involved in the pits costs in there, and 1515 01:15:22.359 --> 01:15:25.479 and Bran had to choked around with her by faking 1516 01:15:25.560 --> 01:15:28.159 of getting Babbage her on the fip and grabbing her 1517 01:15:28.239 --> 01:15:30.760 and mining flapping her in the face, and she thought 1518 01:15:30.800 --> 01:15:34.039 that was funny. And then I broke the eye because 1519 01:15:34.039 --> 01:15:36.960 it was like something that I really didn't really have 1520 01:15:37.079 --> 01:15:38.960 the right to do because she'd already been in the 1521 01:15:39.000 --> 01:15:41.880 first movie and everything else. But but I never bring 1522 01:15:41.920 --> 01:15:46.840 back and broke the eyes. And I remember that particular incident, 1523 01:15:47.600 --> 01:15:49.279 but she's him to be a nice person. 1524 01:15:50.640 --> 01:15:52.960 I will tell you. Robert Hayes had nothing but great 1525 01:15:53.039 --> 01:15:55.760 things to say about you. He was just lavishing praise 1526 01:15:55.840 --> 01:15:57.159 on you. When I talked to him. 1527 01:15:57.800 --> 01:16:00.560 That it's pretty funny because somebody ran into him recently 1528 01:16:01.560 --> 01:16:05.600 and he said to say hello and gotten old kind 1529 01:16:05.840 --> 01:16:07.960 But where that was, but that's very nice to him. 1530 01:16:08.920 --> 01:16:11.760 Ether life guy. He also talked about. 1531 01:16:11.640 --> 01:16:13.920 A scene that you shot where he was in the 1532 01:16:13.960 --> 01:16:17.159 French Foreign Legion and he's then you guys shot it 1533 01:16:17.239 --> 01:16:20.279 down at La X and he's going through the sand 1534 01:16:20.439 --> 01:16:22.000 and all this kind of stuff in a net fluin 1535 01:16:22.039 --> 01:16:24.359 Oficello shows up and I'm like, this sounds like a 1536 01:16:24.479 --> 01:16:26.640 fever dream. The way that he was talking about. 1537 01:16:26.399 --> 01:16:28.000 He said, no, I swear to god it was shot. 1538 01:16:28.159 --> 01:16:29.880 We shot that thing. I don't know why it's not 1539 01:16:30.039 --> 01:16:33.720 in the bok. Yeah like that, I can't what was 1540 01:16:33.840 --> 01:16:37.000 I don't think shot that shot that it could be 1541 01:16:37.800 --> 01:16:38.159 I don't know. 1542 01:16:38.279 --> 01:16:40.239 He was saying that there were some sand dunes at 1543 01:16:40.319 --> 01:16:43.520 the foot of Lax, but then he did talk about yes, yeah, 1544 01:16:43.680 --> 01:16:47.960 there were, that's right, yeah, because and then I was like, Okay, 1545 01:16:48.159 --> 01:16:51.079 I believe you. It's just as Yeah, that's right. 1546 01:16:51.279 --> 01:16:55.760 Yeah, I think now how much interaction did you have 1547 01:16:55.840 --> 01:16:56.840 with Howard Kotch on that? 1548 01:16:57.960 --> 01:16:59.600 Well, I didn't really gone wrong with him. 1549 01:17:00.319 --> 01:17:04.359 Yeah, I didn't like it, so I started to happens 1550 01:17:04.439 --> 01:17:05.600 with it possible. 1551 01:17:06.840 --> 01:17:09.079 Hayes was saying that you were having a hard time 1552 01:17:09.119 --> 01:17:12.560 with all the big wigs there and stuff. Do you 1553 01:17:12.640 --> 01:17:15.439 remember that He told me a story about how you 1554 01:17:15.520 --> 01:17:17.680 came into the office one day and you said that 1555 01:17:17.960 --> 01:17:21.079 getting the deal is like getting the girl to sleep 1556 01:17:21.119 --> 01:17:21.319 with you. 1557 01:17:21.880 --> 01:17:25.880 We were getting the deal with like the orgasm of 1558 01:17:25.960 --> 01:17:28.399 the orgasm, and the refluent direction was like trying to 1559 01:17:28.399 --> 01:17:30.840 get her out of the department once you'd finished. He 1560 01:17:30.960 --> 01:17:32.880 remember that line, he remembers it. 1561 01:17:33.239 --> 01:17:33.439 Yeah. 1562 01:17:33.640 --> 01:17:33.840 Yeah. 1563 01:17:34.319 --> 01:17:36.479 He says that he used to sit in the in 1564 01:17:36.600 --> 01:17:38.479 the office with you while you were writing that some 1565 01:17:38.600 --> 01:17:40.600 of the drafts of the screenplay, and he would just 1566 01:17:40.880 --> 01:17:44.000 be there laughing as you were writing stuff. So yeah, 1567 01:17:44.039 --> 01:17:45.560 he's got really fond memories of it. 1568 01:17:46.720 --> 01:17:51.239 Writing the screenclip hurry pint too, Yeah, yeah, oh wow. Yeah. 1569 01:17:51.279 --> 01:17:53.399 He said that you invited him in just to I 1570 01:17:53.439 --> 01:17:55.880 don't know, run lines or do something like that, and 1571 01:17:56.479 --> 01:17:58.199 he said that he was having a great time. I 1572 01:17:58.319 --> 01:18:00.319 have one more question for you. Some of them views 1573 01:18:00.319 --> 01:18:02.239 that I've been reading, I've gone back to the old 1574 01:18:02.319 --> 01:18:04.640 New York Times, and some of these reviews, they all 1575 01:18:04.760 --> 01:18:08.199 make mention that they received a letter from the Zucker 1576 01:18:08.279 --> 01:18:12.880 Brothers right before the movie came out to distance themselves 1577 01:18:12.920 --> 01:18:15.039 from Airplane Too. Do you remember that. 1578 01:18:15.880 --> 01:18:18.479 They didn't want to make it so that they didn't 1579 01:18:18.479 --> 01:18:20.359 want to do with Pequel and they were opposed to 1580 01:18:20.399 --> 01:18:21.479 the studio bad. 1581 01:18:21.279 --> 01:18:24.079 But I didn't get along back with the recruits. 1582 01:18:24.079 --> 01:18:27.920 I meant that they asked me to plot them up 1583 01:18:27.920 --> 01:18:32.199 being a writer on them on a TV show was 1584 01:18:32.479 --> 01:18:35.159 called called Naked Done without being the oh. 1585 01:18:35.119 --> 01:18:38.840 With police Squad, Yeah yeah, police Yeah. I think that 1586 01:18:39.159 --> 01:18:42.199 they agreed, but they were just opposed to making the movie. Yeah. 1587 01:18:42.199 --> 01:18:42.720 I knew about that. 1588 01:18:42.920 --> 01:18:45.159 They had a number of writers doing the whole thing. 1589 01:18:45.479 --> 01:18:48.199 And when they did the first one, and I think 1590 01:18:48.239 --> 01:18:51.039 there were a number, they were like three or four writers, 1591 01:18:51.159 --> 01:18:53.840 and they this is material that they had packed it 1592 01:18:53.920 --> 01:18:57.279 out on their Kentucky by Peter and everything else, and 1593 01:18:57.640 --> 01:18:59.560 they get it over a number of years. I came 1594 01:18:59.640 --> 01:19:02.199 in and I wrote he wrote it in about a 1595 01:19:02.319 --> 01:19:06.720 number in about two months by myself. Yet one of 1596 01:19:06.800 --> 01:19:11.079 the bad moment. They worked for the book their Baby, 1597 01:19:11.199 --> 01:19:13.800 and that was there, and the studio wanted to make it, 1598 01:19:14.039 --> 01:19:18.079 and I was being a hack writer doing work for 1599 01:19:18.159 --> 01:19:23.119 the studio, and I think that I stood their issue 1600 01:19:23.199 --> 01:19:27.239 with it. But at that time I was, although quite ambitious, 1601 01:19:27.279 --> 01:19:31.239 and I be the gig, and I think that I 1602 01:19:31.359 --> 01:19:35.479 remember having a certain qualms about it. But on balance, 1603 01:19:35.560 --> 01:19:38.920 I think I took the job and accepted that the 1604 01:19:40.319 --> 01:19:41.520 fact that they had an. 1605 01:19:41.439 --> 01:19:41.920 Issue with. 1606 01:19:44.680 --> 01:19:47.920 You made decisions in your life, and that was one 1607 01:19:48.000 --> 01:19:51.199 that I operated my own self interest in that at 1608 01:19:51.239 --> 01:19:52.199 that particular time. 1609 01:19:52.319 --> 01:19:53.800 Yeah, how was it. 1610 01:19:53.840 --> 01:19:57.000 Doing the voice of the computer of Rock nine thousand? 1611 01:19:57.680 --> 01:20:00.720 Well, even though I played the character on TV, I'm 1612 01:20:00.720 --> 01:20:04.319 always felt that I was a shitty actor. I slightly 1613 01:20:04.359 --> 01:20:05.119 in very effect that. 1614 01:20:19.399 --> 01:20:21.680 Up next, we're going to hear from actor Robert Hayes, 1615 01:20:21.720 --> 01:20:24.199 who talks about his role as Ted Striker, as well 1616 01:20:24.239 --> 01:20:26.920 as an incredible cut scene that I've since found a 1617 01:20:27.079 --> 01:20:30.800 photo proof for. So this thing definitely happened. Not to 1618 01:20:31.000 --> 01:20:33.279 say that mister Hayes would be fibbing at all, but 1619 01:20:33.960 --> 01:20:38.600 this sounds incredible. So buckle up. How did you get 1620 01:20:38.680 --> 01:20:41.560 cass in airplane? I mean, were you always known to 1621 01:20:41.640 --> 01:20:44.039 be funny or how did that happen? 1622 01:20:45.279 --> 01:20:50.960 My agent, Arnie Solaway, had a woman named Beth Voyq 1623 01:20:51.560 --> 01:20:54.079 that just it's a weird name. V I think at 1624 01:20:54.199 --> 01:20:58.000 v o I ku BOYQ. And she had come to 1625 01:20:58.239 --> 01:21:03.119 work for him just pretty recently, and she had worked 1626 01:21:03.439 --> 01:21:07.479 for Howard Koch, who was the exec producer and on 1627 01:21:07.640 --> 01:21:10.279 both of them, And so she called him up and 1628 01:21:10.319 --> 01:21:12.359 they'd already been all over the place. They'd been in 1629 01:21:12.439 --> 01:21:16.560 New York and Minneapolis and Seattle and La Dallas and 1630 01:21:16.720 --> 01:21:19.520 everywhere from what I understand, and they couldn't find their 1631 01:21:19.720 --> 01:21:21.560 Ted Striker. And she called him up and said, Hey, 1632 01:21:21.600 --> 01:21:24.119 I got your Ted Striker and he said, great, bring 1633 01:21:24.199 --> 01:21:26.000 him over. So I went over a net with him 1634 01:21:26.079 --> 01:21:29.680 and with the boys, and we all got along. And 1635 01:21:29.840 --> 01:21:32.039 then I read for him and they liked my reading, 1636 01:21:32.800 --> 01:21:35.039 and then they had me screen test, and I screen 1637 01:21:35.119 --> 01:21:38.680 tested with Julie, fortunately for me, and then they liked 1638 01:21:38.720 --> 01:21:40.880 the screen test and they said that's it. He's the 1639 01:21:40.960 --> 01:21:43.880 one that was how I got it. And then of 1640 01:21:43.920 --> 01:21:46.000 course I was already Ted Striker by the time when 1641 01:21:46.000 --> 01:21:48.239 we did the second one. Ken was really fun. He 1642 01:21:48.359 --> 01:21:50.560 was a bit hyper at times, and I think he 1643 01:21:50.680 --> 01:21:52.760 was probably under a lot of pressure. I remember he 1644 01:21:52.840 --> 01:21:55.479 came into the office one day when we were working 1645 01:21:55.560 --> 01:21:58.359 on before we started the film, and he looked very 1646 01:21:58.439 --> 01:22:02.640 flustered and very like he'd been through just the ringer. 1647 01:22:03.520 --> 01:22:05.359 He put his briefcase down and they looked at me, 1648 01:22:05.399 --> 01:22:07.159 and I said it was the matter, and he says, finally, 1649 01:22:07.800 --> 01:22:10.199 I think I figured out a definition of making a 1650 01:22:10.319 --> 01:22:13.880 film in Hollywood. He said, making the deal is like 1651 01:22:13.960 --> 01:22:16.600 having sex with the girl. Making the movie is like 1652 01:22:16.640 --> 01:22:19.760 trying to get her out of your apartment. So that 1653 01:22:19.960 --> 01:22:23.680 was ken. When we were doing the second, he would 1654 01:22:23.680 --> 01:22:26.000 ask me to come in and help him out when 1655 01:22:26.039 --> 01:22:28.439 he was writing it, because I already had the experience 1656 01:22:28.520 --> 01:22:30.279 of the first one and just to help him with 1657 01:22:30.439 --> 01:22:34.000 his getting the second one all in shape. So I'd 1658 01:22:34.039 --> 01:22:36.359 go over there to the studio and then the offices 1659 01:22:36.399 --> 01:22:39.039 and we'd sit around and I'd laugh my butt off, 1660 01:22:39.119 --> 01:22:42.000 and he was a very funny guy, and I think 1661 01:22:42.039 --> 01:22:44.399 he did a good job. I think it was really 1662 01:22:44.479 --> 01:22:49.039 tough for him because the first one was so incredibly tight, 1663 01:22:50.279 --> 01:22:53.399 is so good, and they had five years of writing 1664 01:22:53.479 --> 01:22:56.560 and rewriting and polishing, and it was just and their 1665 01:22:56.720 --> 01:23:00.520 sense of comedy is just perfect. It's just incredible. So 1666 01:23:01.399 --> 01:23:04.840 it had broken the records everywhere it played, and because 1667 01:23:04.880 --> 01:23:06.359 it was such a huge hit, that was a hard 1668 01:23:06.439 --> 01:23:09.960 thing to follow. But there were some people that saw 1669 01:23:10.000 --> 01:23:12.199 it that had never seen the first one, and they 1670 01:23:12.520 --> 01:23:15.720 just loved it. And then they saw the first one 1671 01:23:15.840 --> 01:23:20.319 second and they liked the second one because they'd seen 1672 01:23:20.359 --> 01:23:25.119 it first, knowing only you know, just very few occasions. 1673 01:23:25.159 --> 01:23:27.279 I can only think of two letters a fan that 1674 01:23:27.359 --> 01:23:29.520 I got. There might have been a couple of other 1675 01:23:29.560 --> 01:23:31.720 people that told me, but out of the thousands and 1676 01:23:31.840 --> 01:23:35.000 thousands of letters I've gotten over the years, a couple. 1677 01:23:35.359 --> 01:23:37.560 But it was fun. I wish they'd re release the 1678 01:23:37.720 --> 01:23:41.920 second one with outtakes deleted scenes, like they did that 1679 01:23:42.039 --> 01:23:43.520 with the first one, but I wish they'd do that 1680 01:23:43.600 --> 01:23:46.279 with the second one. I wish they'd make a box set, actually, 1681 01:23:46.560 --> 01:23:50.479 but I think having been two different writer director teams, 1682 01:23:50.520 --> 01:23:54.039 that would probably make that difficult. But if that's too hard, 1683 01:23:54.119 --> 01:23:56.880 I wish they would release the second Airplane with the 1684 01:23:57.000 --> 01:23:59.079 deleted scenes. I think they'd probably sell a lot. 1685 01:23:59.840 --> 01:24:03.439 I've read about a few deleted scenes, but it's very 1686 01:24:03.520 --> 01:24:06.800 hard to track down what was actually shot versus what 1687 01:24:07.439 --> 01:24:08.800 wasn't well. 1688 01:24:08.840 --> 01:24:11.199 There was an entire scene that was shot when I 1689 01:24:11.399 --> 01:24:17.640 was having my flashbacks, and there was one where I was, 1690 01:24:18.319 --> 01:24:22.000 as usual, boring people to death, and I was telling 1691 01:24:22.079 --> 01:24:26.920 them about when I had after all of the stuff 1692 01:24:27.000 --> 01:24:30.479 happened in the first one, I told him that Julie 1693 01:24:30.520 --> 01:24:33.119 and I are Elaine and I had gotten married, and 1694 01:24:33.439 --> 01:24:36.159 I was just too antsy and I couldn't handle it, 1695 01:24:36.279 --> 01:24:39.840 and finally I left, and I went off and joined 1696 01:24:39.880 --> 01:24:45.399 the French Foreign Legion, and because of my prior experience 1697 01:24:45.640 --> 01:24:47.840 being a command and meaning an officer, I was made 1698 01:24:47.840 --> 01:24:50.680 an officer and put in command of a bunch of guys. 1699 01:24:50.840 --> 01:24:55.039 And then it started doing that time rippy effect, and 1700 01:24:55.079 --> 01:24:58.479 then it goes back to us going across the sand dunes. 1701 01:24:58.479 --> 01:25:00.760 We filmed it at the foot of Lax, all the 1702 01:25:00.840 --> 01:25:04.840 sand dunes down there, and it shows me out leading 1703 01:25:04.920 --> 01:25:08.199 everybody with our French Foreign Legion outfits on, and everyone 1704 01:25:08.319 --> 01:25:11.039 behind me, a long line of guys, and we're tramping 1705 01:25:11.079 --> 01:25:12.960 along and I hold my hand up and we all stop, 1706 01:25:13.520 --> 01:25:15.720 hold up my binoculars and I see a fort and 1707 01:25:15.800 --> 01:25:18.880 a little small fort in the distance with palm trees, 1708 01:25:19.760 --> 01:25:23.199 and I say, okay, come on, let's go signal with 1709 01:25:23.319 --> 01:25:25.760 my arm. We all keep marching, and as we get 1710 01:25:25.800 --> 01:25:28.600 closer and closer, we get right up next to it. 1711 01:25:28.680 --> 01:25:32.039 And it's a little small fort. It's just totally about 1712 01:25:32.079 --> 01:25:34.960 eight inches tall, and I stare at it. I'd i'd 1713 01:25:35.000 --> 01:25:37.079 pick up my binoculars and look at it, and yeah, 1714 01:25:37.159 --> 01:25:40.039 that's the one I saw. And though then we just 1715 01:25:40.159 --> 01:25:43.760 keep marching, and then we have a run in and 1716 01:25:44.159 --> 01:25:46.399 with the Bedouins or whoever it is. And because of 1717 01:25:46.520 --> 01:25:50.319 my trier experience of coming in too low, you're too low, Striker, 1718 01:25:50.399 --> 01:25:52.600 you're too low. So this time I swore I wouldn't 1719 01:25:52.600 --> 01:25:55.079 come in too low. So I say charge, and we 1720 01:25:55.159 --> 01:25:56.680 all you know, they have stock footage of all the 1721 01:25:56.720 --> 01:26:00.840 Bedouin tribes fighting on horseback, and we all descend down 1722 01:26:01.359 --> 01:26:04.760 down the side of the sand dune. And then I 1723 01:26:04.880 --> 01:26:08.079 came in too high, and then I come crawling back 1724 01:26:08.199 --> 01:26:10.479 up over the sand dune and I'm the only one. 1725 01:26:10.680 --> 01:26:14.279 I lost. Everybody donkeys too, I mean everyone, And so 1726 01:26:14.439 --> 01:26:18.399 then it's just me and I'm walking along and you 1727 01:26:18.520 --> 01:26:20.920 see my face getting sunburned and parched, and all the 1728 01:26:21.239 --> 01:26:24.520 crinkles on my lips and everything. And then it cut 1729 01:26:24.720 --> 01:26:28.359 the sun burning with that sun sound, and then it's 1730 01:26:28.399 --> 01:26:32.640 got pictures of my boot tramping and trample through the sand, 1731 01:26:32.800 --> 01:26:35.840 all my boots, and then you see my rifle butt 1732 01:26:35.960 --> 01:26:38.199 dragging in the sand. And they were filming this from 1733 01:26:38.239 --> 01:26:43.319 about high mid thigh down. And then the rifle fell, 1734 01:26:43.880 --> 01:26:48.199 and then the ammo belt falls, and now I'm defenseless, 1735 01:26:48.279 --> 01:26:51.439 so it's really getting bad. And then you see the 1736 01:26:51.600 --> 01:26:54.920 canteen fall and then you know, oh man, I'm really shot. 1737 01:26:55.520 --> 01:26:58.439 And then an egg beater falls in a bowl falls, 1738 01:26:58.560 --> 01:27:03.560 and then rolling pin falls. Somebody was taking stills on 1739 01:27:03.640 --> 01:27:05.840 the set and there was me with an armload of stuff, 1740 01:27:05.840 --> 01:27:08.479 and I was dropping things bit by bit, and then 1741 01:27:08.560 --> 01:27:11.039 finally I collapse in the sand. And I get up 1742 01:27:11.079 --> 01:27:14.560 to a watering hole and I collapse and it's all dried. 1743 01:27:15.039 --> 01:27:18.520 And on the far side there's a Texas longhorn steer, 1744 01:27:18.640 --> 01:27:20.159 which I'm wondering, what the hell's that doing in the 1745 01:27:20.159 --> 01:27:23.199 middle of Soudan, And it's a steer skull down next 1746 01:27:23.199 --> 01:27:25.760 to the water hole. And then I look up and 1747 01:27:25.880 --> 01:27:29.479 there's a water jug, an office water thing, you know, 1748 01:27:30.159 --> 01:27:33.239 and there are two skeletons dressed in tree piece suits 1749 01:27:33.840 --> 01:27:36.119 with cups and they're all the water jugs bull of 1750 01:27:36.199 --> 01:27:38.319 sand and the cups are full of sand, and they're 1751 01:27:38.359 --> 01:27:41.319 standing there just like they're having a little conversation. And 1752 01:27:41.479 --> 01:27:43.359 so I roll over on my back, like, oh god, 1753 01:27:43.439 --> 01:27:45.640 this is it, this is the end, and the sun 1754 01:27:45.760 --> 01:27:48.520 is beaming down with all that You're about to die 1755 01:27:48.640 --> 01:27:52.600 from dehydration music, and I hear something and it was 1756 01:27:52.720 --> 01:27:55.000 one of my favorite gots. It was shot up through 1757 01:27:55.039 --> 01:27:58.359 my feet. The camera was down below my feet, and 1758 01:27:58.520 --> 01:28:00.880 my head pops up between my What the hell is that? 1759 01:28:01.560 --> 01:28:04.359 Love bet shot? And then I crawl over to the 1760 01:28:04.479 --> 01:28:07.920 edge of the sand dune and there's the Pacific Ocean, 1761 01:28:07.960 --> 01:28:11.439 there's the beach. There's a band, there's a combination. They 1762 01:28:11.479 --> 01:28:14.079 look like the Beatles and the Beach Boys, and they're 1763 01:28:14.119 --> 01:28:16.920 playing music electrified instruments. Where the hell does all that 1764 01:28:17.000 --> 01:28:19.800 comes from? And there's everybody dancing then having a great 1765 01:28:19.840 --> 01:28:22.560 time at the beach party. And there's Elaine in a 1766 01:28:22.680 --> 01:28:26.600 big one piece bathing suit. And we had Annette Funicello, 1767 01:28:26.720 --> 01:28:29.600 the real Annette Funicello, in one of those huge, old, 1768 01:28:29.760 --> 01:28:33.479 big wide bikinis. You know, the bottoms are about a 1769 01:28:33.520 --> 01:28:36.079 foot wide and the tops are about ten inches wide. 1770 01:28:36.279 --> 01:28:40.399 And she's holding a big beach ball. And you go 1771 01:28:40.560 --> 01:28:44.560 running up to Elaine and I say, Elne, I missed you. 1772 01:28:44.680 --> 01:28:46.159 I was so wrong for leaving you. And then I 1773 01:28:46.199 --> 01:28:48.000 suddenly realized. I said, what the hell are you doing 1774 01:28:48.039 --> 01:28:50.720 in the middle of the Sudan And she says, oh, Tad, 1775 01:28:50.840 --> 01:28:53.560 you're so square. She makes a big rectangle with her fingers. 1776 01:28:53.600 --> 01:28:56.279 You know, you're so square. And then someone in the background. 1777 01:28:56.319 --> 01:28:58.079 Now you can see in the background, just like the 1778 01:28:58.119 --> 01:29:01.800 beach blanket Bingo movies, and see that there are maybe 1779 01:29:01.880 --> 01:29:05.039 six inch waves, maybe one foot. You hear someone in 1780 01:29:05.079 --> 01:29:08.079 the background yell surfs up, and all these people go 1781 01:29:08.239 --> 01:29:10.800 running by her with surfboards and she puts her hands 1782 01:29:10.880 --> 01:29:13.560 up to her face like and throws her hands up 1783 01:29:13.600 --> 01:29:17.680 and goes running off. And I'm standing there in my stringy, 1784 01:29:17.880 --> 01:29:22.920 ragged French foreign legion outfit that just shredded, and Annette 1785 01:29:22.920 --> 01:29:25.439 Funicello comes up next to me and start singing one 1786 01:29:25.439 --> 01:29:28.119 of those real sappy songs, like a beach blanket bingo song, 1787 01:29:28.800 --> 01:29:30.960 but it was an original song. She starts singing, if 1788 01:29:31.039 --> 01:29:33.319 you want her to go and get her And I'm 1789 01:29:33.520 --> 01:29:35.640 looking at I look out of the lane, I look 1790 01:29:35.680 --> 01:29:37.479 back at her, and I get this resolve in my 1791 01:29:37.600 --> 01:29:40.359 face and with one hand, I grab my uniform and 1792 01:29:40.439 --> 01:29:42.560 tear it off. It's all velcrode, so I tear it off, 1793 01:29:42.600 --> 01:29:44.960 and I've got a bathing suit underneath, and I go 1794 01:29:45.159 --> 01:29:48.359 out and the next thing you know is that there 1795 01:29:48.520 --> 01:29:51.319 she is. Now we are in the studios, in the 1796 01:29:51.359 --> 01:29:56.119 big tank with a projection behind us, and all of 1797 01:29:56.159 --> 01:29:58.479 a sudden you cut out there and they're these big waves, 1798 01:29:58.520 --> 01:30:00.920 all these guys taken off. I'm like, maka ha, twenty 1799 01:30:00.960 --> 01:30:03.199 your thirty foot days. So you cut out to her 1800 01:30:03.439 --> 01:30:07.399 and it's a close uh waist high shot and she's 1801 01:30:07.479 --> 01:30:10.199 surfing on a wave and suddenly I stand up next 1802 01:30:10.239 --> 01:30:12.079 to her like I'm on a board surfing on the wave, 1803 01:30:12.119 --> 01:30:15.000 and she looks at me like tad, and all of 1804 01:30:15.039 --> 01:30:17.279 a sudden I fall and there's a big splash of 1805 01:30:17.359 --> 01:30:19.840 water and she's oh. And then suddenly I stand up 1806 01:30:19.880 --> 01:30:22.600 again like I may have fallen, but I'm not out 1807 01:30:22.680 --> 01:30:26.359 of the wave, and it was just like oh, my 1808 01:30:26.840 --> 01:30:29.840 ted And then it all kind of dissolves from that, 1809 01:30:30.319 --> 01:30:34.600 and that whole thing was shot, the whole thing. I 1810 01:30:34.640 --> 01:30:36.399 guess it just didn't fit her. It was too long 1811 01:30:36.520 --> 01:30:38.479 or something. But I think if they put scenes like 1812 01:30:38.600 --> 01:30:41.039 that back in you know her little you know, look 1813 01:30:41.079 --> 01:30:44.279 at deleted scenes kind of a thing, it's really insane. 1814 01:30:44.960 --> 01:30:46.840 It was really fun. It was really fun. 1815 01:30:47.640 --> 01:30:49.199 Are any others any others? 1816 01:30:49.680 --> 01:30:51.520 I can't even think of any other ones. I know 1817 01:30:51.680 --> 01:30:54.479 we had other ones. They even put a gag reel together, 1818 01:30:54.720 --> 01:30:59.479 scenes of outtakes and stuff, but it was I love gagreels. 1819 01:30:59.520 --> 01:31:01.279 I wish they a gag reel together and put that 1820 01:31:01.359 --> 01:31:03.439 in there too. It was so much fun. 1821 01:31:04.199 --> 01:31:06.279 It must have been so hard not to burst out 1822 01:31:06.359 --> 01:31:08.600 laughing on the set of those movies when you're delivering 1823 01:31:08.640 --> 01:31:09.479 some of those lines. 1824 01:31:09.680 --> 01:31:13.720 You know, Oh yeah, I came off theater. I was 1825 01:31:13.800 --> 01:31:17.479 fairly fresh out of theater, fairly fresh ten ten years 1826 01:31:17.600 --> 01:31:20.359 or a little less than ten years out of theater. 1827 01:31:20.520 --> 01:31:24.119 But still I was still fairly trained, and I could 1828 01:31:24.239 --> 01:31:26.439 keep a straight face. And we used to do that 1829 01:31:26.520 --> 01:31:28.439 on stage. And you got a show that's running. I 1830 01:31:28.520 --> 01:31:31.720 know it's very unprofessional, but when you're doing a show, 1831 01:31:31.800 --> 01:31:36.560 you're doing three shows sometimes a day, nine shows a week, 1832 01:31:37.079 --> 01:31:40.439 you have one day off and three shows in repertory, 1833 01:31:40.760 --> 01:31:44.880 and you're just going nuts. And after a while, people 1834 01:31:44.920 --> 01:31:48.720 will start pulling pranks on stage. The audience doesn't know 1835 01:31:48.720 --> 01:31:50.319 what's going on, but you know, and it's trying to 1836 01:31:50.359 --> 01:31:53.479 crack you up. I really learned how to keep a 1837 01:31:53.520 --> 01:31:57.479 straight face, so that really wasn't the problem. But it 1838 01:31:57.600 --> 01:32:00.319 sure was enjoyable because everybody else was laughing, so it 1839 01:32:00.439 --> 01:32:03.880 was really fun. Were like the camera people and all 1840 01:32:03.920 --> 01:32:06.680 the folks on set. Oh yeah, oh yeah. If I 1841 01:32:06.720 --> 01:32:09.880 did get the crew to crack up, then that was good. 1842 01:32:10.039 --> 01:32:12.239 I felt that I'd really accomplished something. And of course 1843 01:32:12.239 --> 01:32:14.760 they'd messed the takeout, they'd screw up the take but 1844 01:32:14.880 --> 01:32:16.600 still that was okay because we do it again. It 1845 01:32:16.680 --> 01:32:21.039 was fine. But it was great fun. And all the people, 1846 01:32:21.159 --> 01:32:23.920 the crew and the cast, they were all just really 1847 01:32:23.960 --> 01:32:27.039 so wonderful. And Ken was funny. He's just got a real, 1848 01:32:27.159 --> 01:32:28.680 really good, plenty sense of humor. 1849 01:32:29.239 --> 01:32:31.119 It must have been so strange working on some of 1850 01:32:31.159 --> 01:32:34.520 those films, because I mean, it's it's such a big 1851 01:32:34.720 --> 01:32:38.359 cast and everything, but you're probably pretty limited to just 1852 01:32:38.520 --> 01:32:41.520 working with a handful of folks really, you know, like 1853 01:32:42.119 --> 01:32:45.560 you and Julie Haggerty of course have so many scenes together, 1854 01:32:45.920 --> 01:32:49.039 but then you know, did you even see like shatting 1855 01:32:49.119 --> 01:32:50.800 or bridges or some of these. 1856 01:32:51.760 --> 01:32:55.439 They were all on other sets and we were just talking. Supposedly, 1857 01:32:55.960 --> 01:32:58.520 you'd have the script supervisor reading the lines to you. 1858 01:32:59.000 --> 01:33:01.720 I used to go over to when they were shooting 1859 01:33:01.800 --> 01:33:03.600 that stuff. I would go over and read the lines 1860 01:33:03.640 --> 01:33:06.520 off camera. I always like to have the actor there, 1861 01:33:06.640 --> 01:33:09.000 and so I figured that they would appreciate having the 1862 01:33:09.039 --> 01:33:11.199 actor there too, So I would just go into that. 1863 01:33:12.000 --> 01:33:15.000 But we had the whole, the whole passengers, all that 1864 01:33:15.239 --> 01:33:18.920 the crowd, so there were a lot of folks around, and. 1865 01:33:19.000 --> 01:33:20.439 You got to work with Sonny Bono too. 1866 01:33:21.479 --> 01:33:24.079 Sonny I knew Sonny. He was a great guy. He 1867 01:33:24.279 --> 01:33:27.199 really was a fun guy, great sense of humor and 1868 01:33:27.359 --> 01:33:29.159 just a real character. He was a lot of fun. 1869 01:33:29.720 --> 01:33:32.039 I'd like a candy bar, that magazine and the third 1870 01:33:32.079 --> 01:33:35.640 bomb on the left. Yeah, yeah, And did you notice 1871 01:33:35.640 --> 01:33:37.199 the poster behind him. 1872 01:33:37.600 --> 01:33:39.640 Rocky thirty eight or something. 1873 01:33:40.239 --> 01:33:42.840 Yeah, it's very good Rocky thirty eight with the old 1874 01:33:42.920 --> 01:33:45.600 guy with a bald old guy. And if you notice, 1875 01:33:45.640 --> 01:33:47.760 really it's really hard to tell, but if you were 1876 01:33:47.800 --> 01:33:54.520 able to see very closely the credit have, it's everything's inverted. 1877 01:33:55.319 --> 01:33:58.560 So do you figure the lowliest guy on the crew 1878 01:33:58.800 --> 01:34:01.720 is usually the craft service person. And we had an 1879 01:34:01.880 --> 01:34:07.359 old time guy who wasn't fancy. He just made coffee 1880 01:34:07.399 --> 01:34:10.319 and threw out donuts. And his name was Klondike Jones, 1881 01:34:11.000 --> 01:34:12.800 and he was just take it or leave it, and 1882 01:34:13.119 --> 01:34:15.840 he was so funny. But he was like an institution, 1883 01:34:16.720 --> 01:34:18.880 and Howard hired him and had him on the show. 1884 01:34:19.079 --> 01:34:21.279 If you look it closely at the credits on Rocky 1885 01:34:21.359 --> 01:34:24.800 thirty eight, you'll see the executive producer is Klondike Jones, 1886 01:34:25.840 --> 01:34:28.239 and then it goes just on from there. The lesser 1887 01:34:28.359 --> 01:34:32.159 jobs are all at the top as pro exec producers, writers, directors, 1888 01:34:32.199 --> 01:34:36.239 all that, and then the lowliest one, the craft service 1889 01:34:36.319 --> 01:34:39.279 to be Howard cut great all the little details. 1890 01:34:40.359 --> 01:34:42.920 So were you ever afraid at any point that you 1891 01:34:43.039 --> 01:34:46.119 were going to get typecast as like a Ted Striker 1892 01:34:46.239 --> 01:34:47.279 kind of a person. 1893 01:34:47.279 --> 01:34:50.760 Or oh yeah, I did. The press used to when 1894 01:34:50.760 --> 01:34:53.000 I would go to this opening of a film or 1895 01:34:53.039 --> 01:34:55.880 some event or something, they'd all be around, Hey, turn 1896 01:34:55.960 --> 01:34:58.159 this way, and they say, hey, Robert airplane. Heyes, you 1897 01:34:58.199 --> 01:35:00.760 think you'll ever do anything deside the airplane? Are you 1898 01:35:00.800 --> 01:35:02.760 gonna be a real actor or you're just gonna They 1899 01:35:02.800 --> 01:35:06.479 were rootless because back then it was. It was frowned 1900 01:35:06.520 --> 01:35:09.720 upon to do sequels. Nowadays they call it a franchise. 1901 01:35:10.319 --> 01:35:12.439 Now they looked for that, but back then it was 1902 01:35:12.520 --> 01:35:15.600 really frowned upon. So that's why I turned down Airplane 1903 01:35:15.640 --> 01:35:18.680 three because I was just being hounded by that. I 1904 01:35:18.760 --> 01:35:20.159 wish I would have done. It had been fun to 1905 01:35:20.239 --> 01:35:22.079 have the three of them. I don't know what it 1906 01:35:22.079 --> 01:35:23.800 would have turned out like, but it would have been 1907 01:35:23.840 --> 01:35:24.800 fun to do that anyway. 1908 01:35:25.000 --> 01:35:26.920 So there really was talk of an Airplane three. 1909 01:35:27.640 --> 01:35:29.560 Yeah, they had that's gripped and everything. There was just 1910 01:35:29.680 --> 01:35:32.119 you know, but I wonder who would have been behind 1911 01:35:32.159 --> 01:35:34.199 that one, because it doesn't sound like Ken was ready 1912 01:35:34.239 --> 01:35:37.520 to come back and do another rule. Yeah. No, they 1913 01:35:37.560 --> 01:35:38.680 would have had a new person. 1914 01:35:39.640 --> 01:35:42.279 You made the sequel and you didn't get type cast, 1915 01:35:42.399 --> 01:35:44.960 and then losing Nielsen isn't in the sequel and he 1916 01:35:45.079 --> 01:35:46.359 ends up in all those movies. 1917 01:35:47.000 --> 01:35:50.479 That's what he really I guess he really loved it, 1918 01:35:51.039 --> 01:35:52.439 just being a looney. 1919 01:35:53.279 --> 01:35:57.439 Was there any animosity between the Zucker Abram Zucker guys 1920 01:35:57.680 --> 01:35:59.880 and the whole making of the sequel. 1921 01:36:00.720 --> 01:36:02.479 I don't know if they didn't want to do it, 1922 01:36:03.039 --> 01:36:06.119 but they told me, they said, you're gonna you can 1923 01:36:06.199 --> 01:36:08.680 make the money. Because I didn't get paid. I got 1924 01:36:08.800 --> 01:36:12.399 chicken feed for the airplane. When Airplane came. 1925 01:36:12.279 --> 01:36:14.439 Out, I mean, there was no expectation that it was 1926 01:36:14.520 --> 01:36:17.600 going to do the kind of business that it eventually did, 1927 01:36:17.880 --> 01:36:19.880 was there, or I mean, did you guys know why 1928 01:36:19.960 --> 01:36:22.880 you're doing this that you had because to run away 1929 01:36:23.039 --> 01:36:23.359 wasn't it. 1930 01:36:23.479 --> 01:36:27.760 If you knew you'd control the world. But actually, as 1931 01:36:27.920 --> 01:36:30.479 things went along, I thought, maybe this will be it'll 1932 01:36:30.560 --> 01:36:33.960 have a cult following colleges maybe or something like that, 1933 01:36:34.880 --> 01:36:38.560 and then started thinking, wow, we all were thinking maybe 1934 01:36:38.600 --> 01:36:40.720 it'll be a little more than I don't know, but 1935 01:36:40.840 --> 01:36:43.359 we just got a feeling about that. But nobody talked 1936 01:36:43.359 --> 01:36:45.479 about it because that would put the heck on it. 1937 01:36:46.199 --> 01:36:48.479 And then somebody came up one day, someone came up 1938 01:36:48.640 --> 01:36:51.760 that was just doing a little one day bit bart 1939 01:36:52.000 --> 01:36:55.399 and he's all, hey, this is great. That thing's really 1940 01:36:55.439 --> 01:36:57.560 gonna be a yet huh, And everyone turned and walked 1941 01:36:57.600 --> 01:37:00.720 away from him. It was so fun. Gosh, it was fun. 1942 01:37:01.359 --> 01:37:04.520 And then having it do what it did, just explode 1943 01:37:04.840 --> 01:37:06.760 the way it did that was great, and all the 1944 01:37:06.800 --> 01:37:10.840 people were just wonderful. Bob Stack, he was so great. 1945 01:37:11.560 --> 01:37:14.359 We'd work together once before, and he was so great, 1946 01:37:14.399 --> 01:37:16.800 and Lloyd was trying to he was a little uncertain, 1947 01:37:16.880 --> 01:37:20.359 and the beginning on the first one and Peter Peter Grace. 1948 01:37:20.479 --> 01:37:22.560 Peter told me that he read it, threw it down. 1949 01:37:22.600 --> 01:37:25.079 What a pile of crap? What the hell is this? 1950 01:37:25.720 --> 01:37:28.239 In his Asian colleague said, Peter, please take another look 1951 01:37:28.279 --> 01:37:30.720 at it. I'd really want you to consider this because 1952 01:37:30.720 --> 01:37:32.720 I think it's going to be something. So he did 1953 01:37:32.760 --> 01:37:35.239 it without realizing, Okay, what's going on. Then he really 1954 01:37:35.800 --> 01:37:39.439 figured out. He did his difficult, great job, and then 1955 01:37:39.560 --> 01:37:43.239 who else read Lloyd and Bob and Peter and then Leslie, 1956 01:37:44.039 --> 01:37:47.920 and Leslie said they opened the door for him to 1957 01:37:48.000 --> 01:37:51.159 step into this kind of insanity and then they gave 1958 01:37:51.279 --> 01:37:54.359 him a nudge, your gentle nudge threw the door. And 1959 01:37:54.479 --> 01:37:56.760 once they did that, then he just took off when 1960 01:37:56.800 --> 01:37:59.239 he was just the insane Leslie that we all came 1961 01:37:59.279 --> 01:38:02.239 to know and love, either all the Naked Guns and 1962 01:38:03.000 --> 01:38:06.880 Police Squad first about six episodes I think a police Squad, 1963 01:38:07.159 --> 01:38:09.680 then all of the Naked Gun movies and then other 1964 01:38:09.840 --> 01:38:14.119 things after that. It was just him being that goofy character. 1965 01:38:15.079 --> 01:38:19.720 He became a franchise, you know, speaking of franchises. So, 1966 01:38:19.800 --> 01:38:21.560 how many people ever come up to you and ask 1967 01:38:21.600 --> 01:38:22.760 you if you have a drinking problem? 1968 01:38:23.600 --> 01:38:27.039 Oh, yeah, it happens still now, it still happen. I 1969 01:38:27.159 --> 01:38:29.920 do a lot of golf charity golf tournaments, and they're 1970 01:38:30.479 --> 01:38:34.520 very hesitant. They're worried to not overstepped anything. But that's 1971 01:38:34.560 --> 01:38:36.760 what they always want to ask. If it's not a 1972 01:38:36.840 --> 01:38:41.560 drinking problem, or you over macho grande or those different things. Yeah, 1973 01:38:42.359 --> 01:38:45.680 it's fine though, It's really fun get a kick out 1974 01:38:45.720 --> 01:38:45.960 of them. 1975 01:39:01.960 --> 01:39:04.039 I'm next, we're going to hear from actor James A. 1976 01:39:04.199 --> 01:39:07.279 Watson Junior about his role as Lieutenant Done. Now, this 1977 01:39:07.479 --> 01:39:10.000 is just an excerpt from a longer interview we did 1978 01:39:10.079 --> 01:39:13.000 which is now available. Definitely check that out. He's got 1979 01:39:13.039 --> 01:39:15.880 some great stories. I did want to ask you, what 1980 01:39:16.079 --> 01:39:18.920 was your experience like working on airplane too, especially working 1981 01:39:18.960 --> 01:39:20.159 with Ken Finkleman. 1982 01:39:20.600 --> 01:39:23.720 Bob Hayes was I got that opportunity because my agent 1983 01:39:23.960 --> 01:39:27.319 also represented him, so the catching people saw me as well. 1984 01:39:27.960 --> 01:39:29.760 And there again there was a group of people that 1985 01:39:29.800 --> 01:39:32.000 didn't know me initially, and but I went in and 1986 01:39:32.159 --> 01:39:36.479 I was cast in the role and we got to 1987 01:39:36.600 --> 01:39:38.520 the point and that was probably one of the most 1988 01:39:38.640 --> 01:39:40.359 fun experience because it was a little bit like the 1989 01:39:40.399 --> 01:39:42.720 Love of American style. It was a little not quite 1990 01:39:42.720 --> 01:39:45.159 a silly, but it was a very stylish kind of 1991 01:39:45.399 --> 01:39:46.319 point of view of humor. 1992 01:39:47.079 --> 01:39:48.279 Ken was very open. 1993 01:39:48.359 --> 01:39:50.840 He would he'd said he wrote a script, we'd shoot 1994 01:39:50.920 --> 01:39:53.439 what he wrote, and then he would say, let's do 1995 01:39:53.520 --> 01:39:56.000 another take, and if anybody got anything, if they want 1996 01:39:56.039 --> 01:39:59.119 to bring into it or do, let's throw it in. 1997 01:40:00.119 --> 01:40:05.640 So invariably I found some instinctive stick to do or 1998 01:40:06.000 --> 01:40:08.399 do something, and it ended up in the film. 1999 01:40:08.560 --> 01:40:10.239 He was very open to that. 2000 01:40:10.479 --> 01:40:11.239 I don't know if you're here. 2001 01:40:11.279 --> 01:40:13.159 There's a scene where I'm sitting in the cock that 2002 01:40:13.439 --> 01:40:16.520 is the navigator and a guy comes in like he's 2003 01:40:16.600 --> 01:40:20.800 cleaning the plane and he's vacuuming, and I'm looking at 2004 01:40:20.880 --> 01:40:24.359 the command center and as he comes in, he's a 2005 01:40:24.359 --> 01:40:26.840 black guy, and as he comes in, he's I do 2006 01:40:26.960 --> 01:40:27.560 the high five. 2007 01:40:27.720 --> 01:40:30.800 That was I put that in and I just did that, 2008 01:40:31.000 --> 01:40:31.600 and I did that. 2009 01:40:31.680 --> 01:40:36.960 Instinctively, and it was It's fun. It is fun, especially 2010 01:40:37.000 --> 01:40:40.399 when they let you loose and having a theater background, 2011 01:40:40.479 --> 01:40:43.479 in stage background, working with those people, you learn your craft. 2012 01:40:43.640 --> 01:40:46.680 And I always young actors come and they ask me, 2013 01:40:46.720 --> 01:40:49.800 and I tell them two things. Never give up number 2014 01:40:49.840 --> 01:40:53.319 one and number two, be prepared, because so you never 2015 01:40:53.479 --> 01:40:56.199 know when your opportunity will come, and you don't know, 2016 01:40:56.439 --> 01:40:58.079 you got to be ready for it. When it does come, 2017 01:40:58.239 --> 01:41:01.600 it's inably going to be something unlike what you expected, 2018 01:41:01.960 --> 01:41:03.800 So you had to be able to stay in your 2019 01:41:03.840 --> 01:41:08.359 toes and dance. Ken was an easy going guy. He 2020 01:41:08.479 --> 01:41:11.319 made it very comfortable for all the actors. So we 2021 01:41:11.439 --> 01:41:15.399 were like a stilly ensemble family of people that because 2022 01:41:15.439 --> 01:41:18.479 they were all known as straight actors doing this stick, 2023 01:41:19.119 --> 01:41:23.079 which was the whole joke. They too had backgrounds that 2024 01:41:23.199 --> 01:41:25.760 made it work. On the contrasts of our styles and 2025 01:41:26.000 --> 01:41:29.319 all that and the written word that they had worked out. 2026 01:41:29.359 --> 01:41:29.760 And it was good. 2027 01:41:29.800 --> 01:41:32.520 It was a fun experience. The only thing there's this 2028 01:41:32.680 --> 01:41:36.439 at the end, and I extually seeing the Coppie and I. 2029 01:41:37.520 --> 01:41:39.800 They had a problem the fire and we ended up 2030 01:41:40.000 --> 01:41:42.279 going out in the outer space to find out what 2031 01:41:42.439 --> 01:41:46.720 happened and ended up drifting into the atmosphere some place. 2032 01:41:47.319 --> 01:41:50.239 So they put us on a belts and lifted us 2033 01:41:50.359 --> 01:41:52.600 up in the ceiling on the studio. That was a 2034 01:41:52.600 --> 01:41:57.960 little uncomfortable. They pinged on certain areas but we're all 2035 01:41:58.039 --> 01:41:59.359 laughting and making the best of it. 2036 01:42:00.159 --> 01:42:00.880 But kN was good. 2037 01:42:01.000 --> 01:42:03.760 Ken was a nice guy, and the film obviously was 2038 01:42:03.960 --> 01:42:04.439 over seen. 2039 01:42:05.319 --> 01:42:08.359 It's such a different style of humor where you're having 2040 01:42:08.399 --> 01:42:10.479 to play it serious, but then at the same time 2041 01:42:10.560 --> 01:42:13.560 you have to be goofy just to find that right balance. 2042 01:42:14.439 --> 01:42:17.039 Comedy is, yeah, Comedy is, as they say, is the 2043 01:42:17.079 --> 01:42:20.680 hardest thing because it's about timing and you have to 2044 01:42:20.800 --> 01:42:23.800 have an instinctive thing. And I've had opportunities to do 2045 01:42:24.239 --> 01:42:26.840 some of the roles I've talked about that are broad, 2046 01:42:27.239 --> 01:42:29.720 like that one and a couple of other things, but 2047 01:42:30.920 --> 01:42:34.279 they rely on you having an understanding and a sense 2048 01:42:34.319 --> 01:42:37.479 of timing so that you can make those things work. 2049 01:42:37.760 --> 01:42:41.399 And I normally was considered a straight man, and people 2050 01:42:41.439 --> 01:42:44.600 would play off in man that too. I was the 2051 01:42:45.279 --> 01:42:48.119 fact when I did The Love American Style. One of 2052 01:42:48.199 --> 01:42:50.960 my Ted Lange and I are woke from the Bay Area, 2053 01:42:51.000 --> 01:42:54.319 and Ted and I were good friends, and the director 2054 01:42:54.479 --> 01:42:57.560 was a guy named Norman Abbott, who was I think 2055 01:42:57.840 --> 01:43:01.760 a cousin or something from lou Abbing Abbot and Costello. 2056 01:43:02.600 --> 01:43:07.279 And he called us to his house one Saturday and said, 2057 01:43:07.319 --> 01:43:11.880 I have this notion that you and Ted could be 2058 01:43:12.039 --> 01:43:15.000 the next Martin and Lewis and I could get I 2059 01:43:15.079 --> 01:43:17.680 have contacts in Vegas, and I think we could put 2060 01:43:17.720 --> 01:43:21.079 together an act and take you guys to Vegas and 2061 01:43:21.239 --> 01:43:22.279 make some serious money. 2062 01:43:22.439 --> 01:43:24.560 And that started with me. 2063 01:43:24.800 --> 01:43:27.319 I was a young man with a young family land, 2064 01:43:27.520 --> 01:43:30.119 but I was game. Ted had other things going and 2065 01:43:30.239 --> 01:43:32.880 he didn't want to do it, so it didn't happen. 2066 01:43:33.039 --> 01:43:36.399 But I was surprised from the beginning when I started 2067 01:43:36.439 --> 01:43:40.239 my career that I had too much success doing comedy 2068 01:43:40.319 --> 01:43:43.239 stuff as I did doing dramatic stuff. And it was 2069 01:43:43.399 --> 01:43:45.720 very a lot of those things where I remember with 2070 01:43:45.840 --> 01:43:50.399 great fondness because I was having fun, but the timing 2071 01:43:50.560 --> 01:43:54.119 was there, the things, the instincts were there and it worked. 2072 01:43:54.199 --> 01:43:57.680 But again going back to training and whatever gift, you 2073 01:43:57.840 --> 01:44:02.720 might have to shape it. But it's hard knowing, not strictly. 2074 01:44:03.079 --> 01:44:06.000 There's different types of comedy, different levels of. 2075 01:44:06.039 --> 01:44:06.640 It, and you can't. 2076 01:44:07.319 --> 01:44:10.439 You have to know where the boundaries are and what 2077 01:44:10.600 --> 01:44:13.800 your instincts are telling you about what they want me 2078 01:44:13.880 --> 01:44:15.279 to do. In the big picture, you can't. 2079 01:44:15.840 --> 01:44:16.600 You have to fit in. 2080 01:44:17.000 --> 01:44:20.920 You can't do some big thing or some broad thing 2081 01:44:21.520 --> 01:44:23.439 that's going to end up on the cutting room floor, 2082 01:44:23.479 --> 01:44:25.760 because it's not consistent with the big picture. 2083 01:44:25.880 --> 01:44:27.279 You're only part of the picture. 2084 01:44:27.680 --> 01:44:30.279 And I think when I was doing the Organization, Sydney 2085 01:44:30.319 --> 01:44:32.800 had just for fen the shooting Bucket the Preacher with 2086 01:44:33.119 --> 01:44:38.960 Harry Bella Fonte and Ruby d and he invited me 2087 01:44:39.079 --> 01:44:41.920 to he was editing the film. He invited me to 2088 01:44:42.039 --> 01:44:45.720 come and watch him edit the film, and I was 2089 01:44:45.760 --> 01:44:49.199 really bitten when I saw how you could take pieces 2090 01:44:49.239 --> 01:44:51.560 and put pieces together. That really helped me with my 2091 01:44:51.680 --> 01:44:55.399 acting too, because then I understood better what was going 2092 01:44:55.479 --> 01:44:58.439 to be usable and what wasn't. And I did an 2093 01:44:58.760 --> 01:45:04.479 episode of a show TV show and the editor and 2094 01:45:04.640 --> 01:45:07.560 the director came up to me at one point and said, 2095 01:45:07.640 --> 01:45:10.159 we really appreciate when because when I'm not having my 2096 01:45:10.279 --> 01:45:14.000 own lines, I'm still at my stage background. You don't 2097 01:45:14.079 --> 01:45:17.039 quit acting, even if I'm off camera. You stay in character. 2098 01:45:17.640 --> 01:45:20.720 And if it's a broad a wide take, I keep working. 2099 01:45:20.960 --> 01:45:23.239 And he said, we always can cut to you for 2100 01:45:23.319 --> 01:45:25.279 a reaction because you're still in the scene. 2101 01:45:25.319 --> 01:45:26.520 You keep yourself in the scene. 2102 01:45:26.920 --> 01:45:29.680 So I learned how to do that too, and sometimes 2103 01:45:29.760 --> 01:45:33.960 I would insinuate myself cleverly into a scene that on 2104 01:45:34.159 --> 01:45:37.439 paper wasn't going to be established that way, but I 2105 01:45:37.600 --> 01:45:40.600 was again a way of finding how to support the 2106 01:45:40.720 --> 01:45:43.199 story and whatever was happening at that moment. 2107 01:45:53.079 --> 01:45:55.159 And finally we're going to hear from writers Al Jean 2108 01:45:55.279 --> 01:45:58.239 and Mike Reese all about their experience on airplane to 2109 01:45:58.880 --> 01:46:02.680 the sequel. I know that Al grew up in Detroit. 2110 01:46:02.720 --> 01:46:04.279 How about yourself, where did you grow up at? 2111 01:46:05.159 --> 01:46:09.239 I grew up in Bristol, Connecticut, right outside of Hartford, Connecticut, 2112 01:46:09.279 --> 01:46:11.399 and it was just a it was a blue collar 2113 01:46:11.640 --> 01:46:12.479 factory town. 2114 01:46:13.359 --> 01:46:14.680 And then you went to Harvard. 2115 01:46:15.319 --> 01:46:19.439 Yes, I went to Harvard. I went to Harvard specifically 2116 01:46:19.560 --> 01:46:22.920 to join the Harvard Lampoon. I just had read about 2117 01:46:23.199 --> 01:46:26.439 a humor magazine there. I didn't really know much about it, 2118 01:46:26.720 --> 01:46:30.399 and at the time, it was not considered this pathway 2119 01:46:31.199 --> 01:46:35.039 to show business or entertainment. It was just a fun 2120 01:46:35.239 --> 01:46:38.880 club out of college. And so that was why I 2121 01:46:38.920 --> 01:46:42.000 went to Harvard. And I met Al Jean freshman week. 2122 01:46:42.880 --> 01:46:44.760 Oh wow, so you guys have known each other for 2123 01:46:44.840 --> 01:46:45.439 a while. 2124 01:46:45.640 --> 01:46:48.039 From the beginning. Yeah, I always tell this. I told 2125 01:46:48.079 --> 01:46:50.560 the story so much I don't know if it's true anymore. 2126 01:46:50.640 --> 01:46:53.439 Which was I was sitting in my dorm room and 2127 01:46:53.600 --> 01:46:56.760 Al was passing by. Al was sixteen when he got 2128 01:46:56.760 --> 01:47:00.199 into college. I was a very brilliant guy, and he's all. 2129 01:47:00.239 --> 01:47:02.359 We had a rocking chair in the room, and he said, 2130 01:47:02.520 --> 01:47:06.479 can I rock in your chair? And I said okay, 2131 01:47:06.720 --> 01:47:08.600 And it seemed a little weird, but he came in 2132 01:47:08.760 --> 01:47:11.840 and just rocked in this chair. And I learned over 2133 01:47:11.920 --> 01:47:15.640 the years Al loves a rocking chair, and he'll rock 2134 01:47:15.880 --> 01:47:19.199 in a straight back chair. He likes the rock And 2135 01:47:19.560 --> 01:47:22.199 for one of his birthdays, I got him a big 2136 01:47:22.359 --> 01:47:25.680 bentwood rocking chair and I think he rocked. 2137 01:47:25.439 --> 01:47:28.159 It to pieces within two or three months. 2138 01:47:29.600 --> 01:47:33.399 But that's how we met, and we became very good friends. 2139 01:47:33.680 --> 01:47:37.239 And I joined the Harvard Lampoon and he saw I 2140 01:47:37.439 --> 01:47:40.199 was just having fun there, and I guess I told 2141 01:47:40.279 --> 01:47:42.399 him you meet a lot of girls on the lampoon, 2142 01:47:42.479 --> 01:47:45.479 which was not true at all. But so then he 2143 01:47:45.720 --> 01:47:49.119 joined the lampoon and he'd been a very quiet guy, 2144 01:47:49.239 --> 01:47:52.319 and then he just came in with this, you compete 2145 01:47:52.359 --> 01:47:53.359 to get on the lampoon. 2146 01:47:53.439 --> 01:47:55.920 You're right, a series of six. 2147 01:47:55.880 --> 01:48:00.479 Pieces over eight weeks, and most people I don't get 2148 01:48:00.520 --> 01:48:02.039 on the first time they try out. 2149 01:48:02.159 --> 01:48:03.520 I didn't get on the first time. 2150 01:48:04.079 --> 01:48:06.359 You have to do it multiple times and they take 2151 01:48:06.399 --> 01:48:10.239 about seven people out of every hundred who compete. But 2152 01:48:10.399 --> 01:48:12.920 I'll just he went in there, he got on right away. 2153 01:48:13.000 --> 01:48:14.199 He was a slam dunk. 2154 01:48:15.079 --> 01:48:16.319 And then that was it. 2155 01:48:16.479 --> 01:48:19.640 From sophomore year on, we were roommates, and then we 2156 01:48:20.399 --> 01:48:23.399 went to work together in New York and shared an apartment. 2157 01:48:23.600 --> 01:48:27.760 And that's it's funny. It's a career that went from 2158 01:48:28.000 --> 01:48:33.119 our partnership, that went from nineteen seventy eight to Last Friday. 2159 01:48:32.800 --> 01:48:35.479 Which was my last stay at the Simpsons. 2160 01:48:36.399 --> 01:48:39.000 So have you written comedy before you got to Lampun? 2161 01:48:39.119 --> 01:48:40.479 He must have had some interest in that. 2162 01:48:41.159 --> 01:48:41.359 Yeah. 2163 01:48:41.399 --> 01:48:44.760 I always liked writing, and I didn't I never intended 2164 01:48:44.800 --> 01:48:45.920 to be a comedy writer. 2165 01:48:46.159 --> 01:48:48.239 I didn't know anyone in that business. 2166 01:48:48.399 --> 01:48:51.840 But I just liked writing funny stories and I would 2167 01:48:51.880 --> 01:48:54.680 write them and put them in my drawer. It would 2168 01:48:54.720 --> 01:48:58.399 drive my mom crazy, and I guess I wrote humorous 2169 01:48:58.439 --> 01:49:02.560 pieces for the school news paper, and the school also 2170 01:49:02.720 --> 01:49:06.199 had a the local paper would print a high school 2171 01:49:06.319 --> 01:49:09.479 page every month, and I would always have a humorous 2172 01:49:09.520 --> 01:49:14.199 piece in that. So, yeah, I liked writing jokes and comedy. 2173 01:49:14.319 --> 01:49:17.920 I really never thought of it as a profession. The 2174 01:49:18.039 --> 01:49:20.880 closest I could imagine was I thought I might go 2175 01:49:21.039 --> 01:49:22.159 into advertising. 2176 01:49:22.279 --> 01:49:25.800 I thought that's what people with what we're creative do. 2177 01:49:26.000 --> 01:49:26.560 For a job. 2178 01:49:27.399 --> 01:49:29.479 What were some of your pieces for the Lampoon, Like 2179 01:49:30.439 --> 01:49:31.560 the Harvard Lampoon. 2180 01:49:31.680 --> 01:49:35.199 I wasn't great. I was really I really wasn't the 2181 01:49:35.279 --> 01:49:37.840 best writer. There was one that was very popular. It 2182 01:49:37.960 --> 01:49:42.439 was that it was called Samuel Johnson's Party Jokes, and 2183 01:49:42.680 --> 01:49:47.359 it was a parody of Playboy's Party Jokes as if 2184 01:49:47.439 --> 01:49:51.039 written by Samuel Johnson, and so they were written in 2185 01:49:51.680 --> 01:49:55.079 eighteenth century pros but they were really dirty. 2186 01:49:55.960 --> 01:49:56.920 That's the only one I can think. 2187 01:49:56.960 --> 01:50:00.520 Oh, we did a big Mad Magazine parody when we 2188 01:50:00.640 --> 01:50:01.960 were there that I oversaw. 2189 01:50:02.079 --> 01:50:02.319 We did. 2190 01:50:02.439 --> 01:50:06.720 We have at Harvard there is a pretentious literary magazine 2191 01:50:06.840 --> 01:50:10.840 called The Advocate. So we did something called The Advocate, 2192 01:50:10.960 --> 01:50:14.239 which was just a mashup of Mad Magazine and this 2193 01:50:14.399 --> 01:50:18.439 pretentious literary magazine. And we did a kind of more 2194 01:50:18.600 --> 01:50:20.920 Drucker parody of the Seventh. 2195 01:50:20.600 --> 01:50:22.159 Seal and that kind of thing. 2196 01:50:23.000 --> 01:50:23.560 It was good. 2197 01:50:23.840 --> 01:50:25.000 I think it was really good. 2198 01:50:25.880 --> 01:50:28.880 Al and I wrote a piece together called Spooky Magic. 2199 01:50:29.039 --> 01:50:32.239 We wrote it was it was a parody of magic 2200 01:50:32.319 --> 01:50:34.720 books you get when you're a kid, and in fact, 2201 01:50:34.800 --> 01:50:36.640 we just I think we just stole the title. I 2202 01:50:36.680 --> 01:50:39.079 think the book we had both read as kids was 2203 01:50:39.159 --> 01:50:43.439 Spooky Magic, and it's the first thing we ever wrote together, 2204 01:50:43.600 --> 01:50:47.079 and it got printed in the magazine, and a junior 2205 01:50:47.159 --> 01:50:50.760 year of college, were contacted by National Lampoon, the National 2206 01:50:50.960 --> 01:50:54.119 humor magazine, and they said, we love your work, but 2207 01:50:54.199 --> 01:50:55.439 we want to bring you out here. 2208 01:50:55.720 --> 01:50:58.560 And they took us and brought us to New York. 2209 01:50:58.479 --> 01:51:02.520 And we were freelance right earning money as writers for 2210 01:51:02.600 --> 01:51:06.720 a National Lampoon while we were still in college, and 2211 01:51:06.800 --> 01:51:10.479 then we graduated right into the job. We just walked 2212 01:51:10.479 --> 01:51:13.039 out of college and moved to New York and wrote 2213 01:51:13.039 --> 01:51:14.680 for National Lampoon for a year. 2214 01:51:15.600 --> 01:51:19.119 There's no struggle to it. We've been very lucky. And 2215 01:51:19.520 --> 01:51:20.520 that was it in both of us. 2216 01:51:20.600 --> 01:51:23.760 Once we started working, we never stopped. There was really, 2217 01:51:23.960 --> 01:51:27.079 I think maybe six weeks and forty five years where 2218 01:51:27.800 --> 01:51:28.680 we were out of work. 2219 01:51:29.520 --> 01:51:32.920 I'm always fascinated by writing duos, like how do you 2220 01:51:33.039 --> 01:51:35.279 split up the work? Who comes up with the ideas? 2221 01:51:35.319 --> 01:51:36.640 How do you do what you do? 2222 01:51:37.399 --> 01:51:40.399 In our case, we do it a word at a 2223 01:51:40.560 --> 01:51:42.039 time and a line at a time. 2224 01:51:42.079 --> 01:51:43.960 I know people work in different way, but we just 2225 01:51:44.720 --> 01:51:48.159 we throw out different ideas, and once we both like 2226 01:51:48.239 --> 01:51:50.359 an idea, we just start writing it. 2227 01:51:50.560 --> 01:51:52.680 And pitch jokes to each other. 2228 01:51:53.000 --> 01:51:56.880 And a lot of people think, oh, a comedy writing team, 2229 01:51:57.000 --> 01:51:59.720 you should be you should compliment each other. And one 2230 01:51:59.760 --> 01:52:01.560 guy good at this and one guy's good at that, 2231 01:52:02.239 --> 01:52:07.279 and Alan I think eighty to ninety percent exactly the same, 2232 01:52:07.479 --> 01:52:09.319 and if one of us pitches a joke, the other 2233 01:52:09.319 --> 01:52:09.680 one goes. 2234 01:52:09.760 --> 01:52:11.000 I was just thinking that. 2235 01:52:11.920 --> 01:52:16.000 So we're just so we're like a man with two heads. 2236 01:52:16.039 --> 01:52:18.920 We're just we can think twice as much, but we're 2237 01:52:18.960 --> 01:52:23.359 always thinking the same things. It was a strange way 2238 01:52:23.399 --> 01:52:27.479 to work, but completely effortless, and we never fought, and 2239 01:52:27.920 --> 01:52:31.760 it worked out. When there's two of you writing, you're 2240 01:52:31.880 --> 01:52:35.279 always a draft ahead. Our first drafts would read like 2241 01:52:35.479 --> 01:52:37.920 other people's second drafts, and that kind of thing. 2242 01:52:38.720 --> 01:52:41.680 Did you have similar comedy backgrounds to be able to 2243 01:52:42.119 --> 01:52:43.800 bounce stuff off of each other so well? 2244 01:52:44.720 --> 01:52:47.880 I was really immersed in comedy and I just loved 2245 01:52:47.920 --> 01:52:48.239 it just. 2246 01:52:48.279 --> 01:52:48.840 As a hobby. 2247 01:52:49.000 --> 01:52:52.800 I knew the Marx Brothers inside out, and Woody Allen 2248 01:52:52.880 --> 01:52:55.319 I knew inside in college, I had a big Woody 2249 01:52:55.359 --> 01:52:57.359 Allen poster in the dorm room. 2250 01:52:57.880 --> 01:53:01.800 And Al he this was not his career path. 2251 01:53:01.920 --> 01:53:05.319 He was a math major, he was a pre med student. 2252 01:53:05.439 --> 01:53:08.119 He probably would have gone on to be some brilliant 2253 01:53:08.199 --> 01:53:12.640 medical scientists. And I brought him down the path a comedy. 2254 01:53:12.920 --> 01:53:13.720 I got him into it. 2255 01:53:14.079 --> 01:53:15.039 He's just so smart. 2256 01:53:15.279 --> 01:53:18.119 Anything he would have set his mind to, he would 2257 01:53:18.159 --> 01:53:20.560 have become the best at it. And it just happened 2258 01:53:20.560 --> 01:53:21.640 to be comedy writing. 2259 01:53:22.680 --> 01:53:25.199 You're working for a national lampoon for a year and 2260 01:53:25.319 --> 01:53:26.239 then what happens. 2261 01:53:26.840 --> 01:53:29.800 Okay, So here's the deal. There's these two guys named 2262 01:53:29.840 --> 01:53:32.640 Max Prost's and Tom Gamble. They were two years ahead 2263 01:53:32.680 --> 01:53:36.520 of us at Harvard Lampoon like Alan me. They were 2264 01:53:36.640 --> 01:53:41.760 president and vice president of lampoon. And everybody loves these guys. 2265 01:53:42.000 --> 01:53:45.960 They're wonderful writers and there's so much fun to be 2266 01:53:46.119 --> 01:53:49.920 around and they're so funny, and so Alan I built 2267 01:53:49.960 --> 01:53:54.479 a career taking jobs that they turned down. So our 2268 01:53:54.600 --> 01:53:57.640 first show biz job was writing a movie for meat Loaf, 2269 01:53:57.720 --> 01:54:01.119 the rockstar called Fatmin in Outer Space. Because Max and 2270 01:54:01.199 --> 01:54:05.359 Tom turned down the job and recommended us, and years 2271 01:54:05.439 --> 01:54:08.640 later they were offered the job on the Simpsons before 2272 01:54:08.720 --> 01:54:12.079 it came on, and they turned that down and recommended us. 2273 01:54:12.159 --> 01:54:16.119 And in between was Airplane two. They had worked with 2274 01:54:16.439 --> 01:54:20.520 Ken Finkleman, the writer director at Saturday Night Live, and 2275 01:54:20.600 --> 01:54:23.720 when he was doing Airplane two, he went to them 2276 01:54:23.880 --> 01:54:26.640 first and they didn't want to do that, and they 2277 01:54:26.760 --> 01:54:30.479 recommended us. And I think Ken read our articles in 2278 01:54:30.640 --> 01:54:33.720 National Lampoon. We had never written anything like a script 2279 01:54:33.920 --> 01:54:38.520 or anything professional, and he liked our articles. We would 2280 01:54:38.600 --> 01:54:41.479 write stuff from New York like we'd work all day 2281 01:54:41.479 --> 01:54:44.079 at National Lampoon and at night we would write him 2282 01:54:44.199 --> 01:54:46.880 jokes for his Airplane two script. He had written a 2283 01:54:46.960 --> 01:54:50.119 very funny script, and we'd send him jokes and then 2284 01:54:50.159 --> 01:54:52.680 he brought us out for a week. We snuck away 2285 01:54:52.760 --> 01:54:55.960 from our jobs and just spent a week in Hollywood 2286 01:54:56.000 --> 01:54:59.760 writing jokes with Ken for the movie. And then finally 2287 01:55:00.199 --> 01:55:04.760 about ten months into our National Lampoon job, where they 2288 01:55:04.920 --> 01:55:07.239 really liked us. This is a terrible thing we did, 2289 01:55:07.359 --> 01:55:11.560 but we get the call from Airplane two saying we 2290 01:55:11.720 --> 01:55:14.800 need you out here tomorrow. We're shooting the movie. We 2291 01:55:14.920 --> 01:55:17.359 want you on the set tomorrow, and Al and I 2292 01:55:18.439 --> 01:55:21.960 walked into the office the next day and quit our 2293 01:55:22.119 --> 01:55:24.680 jobs and we ran out on the lease and we 2294 01:55:24.880 --> 01:55:28.640 flew to LA and if the call came Sunday night, 2295 01:55:28.800 --> 01:55:30.920 we were on the set Tuesday morning. 2296 01:55:31.840 --> 01:55:34.159 Yeah, did you tell him that earlier? We had worked 2297 01:55:34.199 --> 01:55:35.840 for a week and they each had to make an 2298 01:55:35.840 --> 01:55:37.560 alibi why we were going to La. 2299 01:55:38.000 --> 01:55:42.239 Our whole career goes is based on this, and it's 2300 01:55:42.319 --> 01:55:44.720 a real bad thing to do. 2301 01:55:45.159 --> 01:55:47.800 They really liked us at National Lampoon, and I felt 2302 01:55:47.880 --> 01:55:51.199 bad about it, but they forgave us, and we'd wind 2303 01:55:51.279 --> 01:55:53.840 up quitting another job and they forgave us. 2304 01:55:53.920 --> 01:55:57.680 And just one more quick story, which was we. 2305 01:55:57.880 --> 01:55:58.520 Had a lease. 2306 01:55:58.640 --> 01:56:01.199 We had to furnished the part in New York, and 2307 01:56:02.239 --> 01:56:04.560 we just ran and we said, look, we'll keep paying 2308 01:56:04.640 --> 01:56:06.640 rent and that kind of thing. And the woman said, no, 2309 01:56:06.800 --> 01:56:07.640 don't worry about it. 2310 01:56:07.880 --> 01:56:08.119 Just go. 2311 01:56:09.000 --> 01:56:12.960 I'll ship all your stuff out to you. So we 2312 01:56:13.159 --> 01:56:14.079 moved to LA. 2313 01:56:14.199 --> 01:56:17.640 We're working on airplane two. The stuff never comes, it 2314 01:56:17.760 --> 01:56:21.279 never comes. Finally she sent one box and it was 2315 01:56:21.319 --> 01:56:24.239 full of winter coats that we did not need in LA. 2316 01:56:25.199 --> 01:56:27.359 And then final we go, where's our other stuff? And 2317 01:56:27.520 --> 01:56:29.520 she said I boxed it and put it in the 2318 01:56:29.600 --> 01:56:33.359 hallway and it all got stolen. So we had nothing, 2319 01:56:33.479 --> 01:56:35.399 and that is that one last thing I wanted to 2320 01:56:35.439 --> 01:56:38.439 see if al remembers this, which was we were working 2321 01:56:38.600 --> 01:56:42.000 so hard and so long on airplane two and just 2322 01:56:42.600 --> 01:56:45.439 just we each had one suitcase full of stuff to 2323 01:56:45.560 --> 01:56:47.479 get us through that, and. 2324 01:56:47.560 --> 01:56:49.520 We had no time even to do laundry. 2325 01:56:49.600 --> 01:56:53.279 So I remember going to We're at Paramount, going to 2326 01:56:53.399 --> 01:56:57.760 the company store to buy socks and underwear because I 2327 01:56:57.840 --> 01:56:59.680 didn't have time to do laundry. 2328 01:57:00.560 --> 01:57:03.239 I remember our Tatch loan toes, each one hundred dollars, 2329 01:57:04.159 --> 01:57:05.680 and then like after week, he was like, here was 2330 01:57:05.720 --> 01:57:06.720 my one hundred dollars. 2331 01:57:07.039 --> 01:57:08.239 Albo, do you remember this? 2332 01:57:08.399 --> 01:57:11.479 We were in the company store of Paramount buying socks 2333 01:57:12.199 --> 01:57:15.520 and Jim Brooks, James L. Brooks and Albert Brooks come 2334 01:57:15.560 --> 01:57:18.800 in and they start cutting up. I just I'm watching 2335 01:57:18.880 --> 01:57:22.560 them douche stick in the company store, having no idea 2336 01:57:22.640 --> 01:57:25.520 that about ten years later less than that, we'd be 2337 01:57:25.640 --> 01:57:28.079 working for one guy and writing for the other guy. 2338 01:57:29.039 --> 01:57:33.560 And ironically, I'm recording Albert for a show tomorrow with Jim. 2339 01:57:35.079 --> 01:57:38.479 Jim had done a taxi beer and then in terms 2340 01:57:38.479 --> 01:57:40.600 of endearment, yeah, he was huge. 2341 01:57:40.680 --> 01:57:43.960 Then when does the Fat Guy and Outer Space come 2342 01:57:44.079 --> 01:57:45.800 in is that after Airplane Tour? 2343 01:57:45.920 --> 01:57:48.640 Is that before Oh Fatmin and Outer Space? That the 2344 01:57:48.760 --> 01:57:52.840 meat lop thing that was earlier. That was literally the 2345 01:57:52.920 --> 01:57:55.039 first show biz thing we ever wrote, and it was 2346 01:57:55.119 --> 01:57:58.159 a It was just a treatment based on a children's book. 2347 01:57:59.000 --> 01:58:00.920 What was it like working with with Ken Finkleman and 2348 01:58:01.000 --> 01:58:02.319 what were your responsibilities. 2349 01:58:03.119 --> 01:58:05.119 The funniest joke in the movie, by all accounts, is 2350 01:58:05.159 --> 01:58:07.239 the one where Shatner is behind the screen and then 2351 01:58:07.279 --> 01:58:10.319 he just walks and it's the door that was Ken's 2352 01:58:10.880 --> 01:58:13.439 that It's a great example of Ken's humor. And then 2353 01:58:13.560 --> 01:58:16.760 I wanted also mentioned that the whole run about Buddy 2354 01:58:16.760 --> 01:58:19.479 couldn't take it over Michell Grande. That was all pitched 2355 01:58:19.520 --> 01:58:22.119 by Mike at one point, and I thought he had 2356 01:58:22.239 --> 01:58:24.319 written down or something he couldn't believe. He just said, 2357 01:58:25.119 --> 01:58:26.760 that's the two things I want to get on the record. 2358 01:58:27.800 --> 01:58:31.039 Did the Jeopardy joke which was so popular? We were 2359 01:58:31.119 --> 01:58:33.760 a lot of jokes, I think, by my estimate, Alan I. 2360 01:58:33.840 --> 01:58:37.920 Wrote about a third of the movie. Third of the jokes. 2361 01:58:38.760 --> 01:58:40.800 Yeah, I mean it was mostly Ken. But the writer 2362 01:58:40.880 --> 01:58:42.640 of Gil had a policy that he didn't had a 2363 01:58:42.680 --> 01:58:45.479 little bit in the original writer would get the credit 2364 01:58:45.560 --> 01:58:48.079 unless you really have had a lot. And so went 2365 01:58:48.119 --> 01:58:52.479 to Ken, who's very funny and what was a blast 2366 01:58:52.640 --> 01:58:54.640 to be with. The Only thing was we were with 2367 01:58:54.800 --> 01:58:57.640 him all the time, like we moved so fast, like 2368 01:58:57.680 --> 01:58:59.840 we were and he said, oh, you boys can't live 2369 01:58:59.880 --> 01:59:01.840 in this apartment that where they. 2370 01:59:01.840 --> 01:59:03.720 Have to notify your next of kidd if. 2371 01:59:04.720 --> 01:59:07.399 So he moved us into his house. And then I 2372 01:59:07.439 --> 01:59:09.159 remember we were falling asleep and he goes, okay, now, 2373 01:59:09.239 --> 01:59:11.199 think of some jokes before the morning. In other words, 2374 01:59:11.279 --> 01:59:14.399 pitch in your sleep. But he's a really funny guy. 2375 01:59:15.760 --> 01:59:16.239 Yeah he is. 2376 01:59:16.840 --> 01:59:20.760 He is a libertarian or a communist or a socialist. 2377 01:59:20.800 --> 01:59:21.520 He's Canadian. 2378 01:59:21.600 --> 01:59:26.600 He had extreme left wing opinions, and yet he was 2379 01:59:26.680 --> 01:59:30.640 a slave driver. He worked us so hard and was unbelievable. 2380 01:59:31.359 --> 01:59:33.199 But on the flip side, and this is something that 2381 01:59:33.479 --> 01:59:36.479 just occurred to me the other day, al was he 2382 01:59:36.600 --> 01:59:40.640 brought us onto this movie. He introduced us to everyone. 2383 01:59:40.760 --> 01:59:43.640 We were really aties on the set with the stars 2384 01:59:43.760 --> 01:59:48.840 and the cameramen and friends with the producers. He brought 2385 01:59:48.960 --> 01:59:51.880 us to meet the heads of the studio. Any Hollywood 2386 01:59:52.000 --> 01:59:54.800 party he went to, he'd bring us. We met more 2387 01:59:54.880 --> 01:59:57.920 big shots. It's not how you what you generally do 2388 01:59:58.199 --> 02:00:03.319 with uncredited punch up people. So he really just opened 2389 02:00:03.359 --> 02:00:05.760 every door for us, which he didn't. 2390 02:00:05.600 --> 02:00:08.199 Have to do. The credit thing was weird. 2391 02:00:08.359 --> 02:00:10.199 It was, as they say, it was like a writer's 2392 02:00:10.239 --> 02:00:13.840 guild policy that I didn't understand in I have more 2393 02:00:13.920 --> 02:00:16.880 understanding of it now, but I still think there should 2394 02:00:16.880 --> 02:00:18.720 be a way that people get their names on them. 2395 02:00:20.800 --> 02:00:22.000 But we did thanks to Ken. 2396 02:00:22.119 --> 02:00:23.560 He put the special thanks credit in. 2397 02:00:24.319 --> 02:00:26.079 So that was it so al and I we quit 2398 02:00:26.159 --> 02:00:29.479 our job. We fly out to LA the next day. 2399 02:00:30.319 --> 02:00:33.439 They were not only on set we are in. They 2400 02:00:33.479 --> 02:00:36.720 put us in a wooden shed on stage. It was 2401 02:00:36.840 --> 02:00:40.359 this windowless wooden shed with a typewriter in it, and 2402 02:00:40.479 --> 02:00:43.760 they had us writing jokes on the set. They would 2403 02:00:43.760 --> 02:00:46.640 just they'd be filming, and if they'd hit a spot, 2404 02:00:47.439 --> 02:00:48.880 they said, all right, we need more of this. 2405 02:00:50.039 --> 02:00:51.640 It couldn't be more pressure. 2406 02:00:51.640 --> 02:00:54.399 It was so crazy, and I believe the very first 2407 02:00:54.439 --> 02:00:58.199 thing we did on set it was again it was 2408 02:00:58.279 --> 02:01:01.520 a sequel joke and this movie Peter Graves is. 2409 02:01:01.560 --> 02:01:02.680 Hitting on a little boy. 2410 02:01:03.199 --> 02:01:06.279 In the second movie he's hitting on a dog, and 2411 02:01:06.359 --> 02:01:09.520 they go, we need more jokes for Peter Graves hitting 2412 02:01:09.600 --> 02:01:12.359 on a dog, and it was so low. 2413 02:01:12.279 --> 02:01:15.399 And vulgar or welcome to Hollywood. 2414 02:01:16.159 --> 02:01:18.880 I remember there was a lot of stuff we wrote 2415 02:01:18.920 --> 02:01:21.960 that wasn't used for the computer on the Ship Party 2416 02:01:22.000 --> 02:01:24.840 in two thousand and one, and I think Ken wound 2417 02:01:24.920 --> 02:01:26.760 up being the voice of the computer, which is funny 2418 02:01:26.840 --> 02:01:30.920 because the original Hell was voiced by a Canadian. Wow, 2419 02:01:31.720 --> 02:01:33.920 these Canadian computers that are taking over the world. 2420 02:01:34.680 --> 02:01:37.520 There was a time limit on this, right the release 2421 02:01:37.640 --> 02:01:39.520 date was set, so that's why there was so much 2422 02:01:39.600 --> 02:01:41.439 pressure to get everything out. 2423 02:01:41.640 --> 02:01:45.319 Yeah, Christmas, what year, eighty three, eighty two, eighty two, 2424 02:01:45.479 --> 02:01:48.800 Christmas eighty two, same year as TOTSI, and we're going 2425 02:01:48.880 --> 02:01:51.000 to do whatever. It was ten weeks and they're like, oh, 2426 02:01:51.399 --> 02:01:55.159 two more weeks, two more weeks. You know, the movie 2427 02:01:55.279 --> 02:01:57.079 was coming out in three weeks, so it's okay, that's it. 2428 02:01:57.760 --> 02:01:57.960 It was. 2429 02:01:58.159 --> 02:02:00.800 It was a real gamble we took with witting a 2430 02:02:00.960 --> 02:02:05.560 steady job we liked for I think two months employment, 2431 02:02:05.640 --> 02:02:08.880 but then we wound up being six or nine months work. 2432 02:02:09.279 --> 02:02:10.760 They just kept bringing us back. 2433 02:02:11.680 --> 02:02:12.640 Yeah, and it was really fun. 2434 02:02:12.800 --> 02:02:15.680 It's so weird when you're screenwriting, and honestly, the only 2435 02:02:15.760 --> 02:02:19.439 other movie I've worked more on it was Simpsons movie, 2436 02:02:20.079 --> 02:02:22.920 and you don't usually see like the Styers and the 2437 02:02:22.960 --> 02:02:23.760 production first. 2438 02:02:24.159 --> 02:02:26.439 It really takes years to get to that point. So 2439 02:02:26.520 --> 02:02:28.399 we entered show business backwards. 2440 02:02:29.119 --> 02:02:31.880 In I'm gonna say nineteen eighty Alan, I are at 2441 02:02:31.960 --> 02:02:35.920 Harvard and there were posters up come see a free movie, 2442 02:02:36.159 --> 02:02:39.039 and we a free movie, shure, and we go, and 2443 02:02:39.159 --> 02:02:42.439 the movie that they're showing is this incredibly rough cut 2444 02:02:42.600 --> 02:02:46.720 of Airplane. The movie I remember had no ending. It 2445 02:02:46.960 --> 02:02:49.760 was hilarious, and we were on the Harvard Lampoon. A 2446 02:02:49.800 --> 02:02:53.960 bunch of other lampoon people came and we shanghaied those guys. 2447 02:02:54.079 --> 02:02:57.640 We brought Zucker and Zucker and Abraham's and just dragged 2448 02:02:57.680 --> 02:03:00.560 them over to the Harvard Lampoon building and gave them 2449 02:03:00.600 --> 02:03:04.000 a tour, and they were very nice, but they were 2450 02:03:04.000 --> 02:03:08.159 a little baffled why they were there. So there we 2451 02:03:08.279 --> 02:03:11.479 are just pawning over these amazing guys, and I would 2452 02:03:11.520 --> 02:03:15.119 never guess, oh, two years that would become the biggest. 2453 02:03:14.800 --> 02:03:15.760 Comedy of all time. 2454 02:03:15.840 --> 02:03:19.840 And three years later we're on the set making the sequel. 2455 02:03:20.760 --> 02:03:23.800 It's all crazy, and we were pretty sure they didn't 2456 02:03:23.800 --> 02:03:26.399 want this sequel to be made, which I understand because 2457 02:03:26.399 --> 02:03:27.800 they had worked on the first one a long time, 2458 02:03:27.840 --> 02:03:30.079 but he'd sold the rights, so it was a weird 2459 02:03:30.760 --> 02:03:33.359 thing going from like they were our heroes to now 2460 02:03:33.359 --> 02:03:33.960 they're madadis. 2461 02:03:34.520 --> 02:03:36.359 Yeah, it was funny. 2462 02:03:36.439 --> 02:03:40.840 They put out a press release, which again in hindsight 2463 02:03:41.000 --> 02:03:43.600 makes perfect sense, but they put out a press release saying, 2464 02:03:43.960 --> 02:03:47.479 we have nothing to do with Airplane two. And then 2465 02:03:48.319 --> 02:03:51.640 I think that summer Top Secret came out and it's 2466 02:03:51.680 --> 02:03:54.560 an amazing movie, but it bombed, and so we were 2467 02:03:54.560 --> 02:03:56.840 going to put out a press release saying we have 2468 02:03:57.000 --> 02:04:00.680 nothing to do with Top Secret. But they were a 2469 02:04:00.720 --> 02:04:06.239 little antagonistic. And then two of them, Abraham's and David Zucker, 2470 02:04:06.359 --> 02:04:09.560 both came to the office separately, just the wish as well. 2471 02:04:10.239 --> 02:04:10.800 Very kind. 2472 02:04:11.399 --> 02:04:14.199 I understand completely. It wasn't like you did sequels to 2473 02:04:14.279 --> 02:04:16.319 comedy so much back then, so you know, things are 2474 02:04:16.359 --> 02:04:19.720 like a one shot and they clearly was lifetime. Think 2475 02:04:19.760 --> 02:04:22.039 Openawi said they had years to make that movie, although 2476 02:04:22.079 --> 02:04:23.960 he did say one funny thing, you go there were 2477 02:04:24.000 --> 02:04:24.479 three of them. 2478 02:04:24.520 --> 02:04:26.399 There were three of them, and Ken, we're here with you. 2479 02:04:26.520 --> 02:04:30.439 That's three what are we invisible? 2480 02:04:31.199 --> 02:04:34.680 And that was it's just to put it in historical context. 2481 02:04:35.479 --> 02:04:38.880 They weren't making a ton of sequels anyhow. A few 2482 02:04:38.960 --> 02:04:42.680 years before had been Godfather, to which was people going, Wow, 2483 02:04:42.800 --> 02:04:46.159 a sequel to a big movie. That's weird, and one 2484 02:04:46.279 --> 02:04:48.520 right one. They were they would make sequels, but it's 2485 02:04:48.600 --> 02:04:52.079 not a de facto thing. And I mentioned that all 2486 02:04:52.159 --> 02:04:55.279 the movies of that era that were so big didn't 2487 02:04:55.359 --> 02:04:59.039 have sequels. There's no Et two and there's no Animal 2488 02:04:59.159 --> 02:04:59.640 House too. 2489 02:05:00.520 --> 02:05:02.359 And I would say in the movie too that whatever 2490 02:05:02.399 --> 02:05:05.119 the number Rocky thirty eight poster, that that's Ken's joke 2491 02:05:05.680 --> 02:05:07.920 got a huge lass. It was you didn't think there 2492 02:05:07.960 --> 02:05:10.600 were gonna be four more Rockies, And the idea of 2493 02:05:10.680 --> 02:05:11.600 it was really funny. 2494 02:05:12.119 --> 02:05:14.680 Sequels were a new thing, and Al, I don't know 2495 02:05:14.720 --> 02:05:17.640 if you know this. The Zuckers, they did pitch an 2496 02:05:17.640 --> 02:05:21.760 Airplane two which was called Airplane two the Godfather and 2497 02:05:21.960 --> 02:05:23.439 was gonna have Robert. 2498 02:05:23.239 --> 02:05:25.159 Hayes and Julie Haggarty. 2499 02:05:25.359 --> 02:05:29.800 In a big Godfather parody, and Paramount turned that down 2500 02:05:30.560 --> 02:05:33.520 and they just wanted the same movie all over again 2501 02:05:33.600 --> 02:05:37.000 and again, how do you parody a movie that's all jokes, 2502 02:05:37.119 --> 02:05:39.760 And so they said, just do the same jokes again 2503 02:05:39.920 --> 02:05:43.359 but a little different and bring back the same extra 2504 02:05:43.479 --> 02:05:45.800 as you had. They didn't know what the formula was, 2505 02:05:46.439 --> 02:05:49.479 but they just took as much from the first movie 2506 02:05:49.800 --> 02:05:52.079 as they could to put into the second movie. 2507 02:05:53.039 --> 02:05:56.399 Charlie bluehorn Man tear them out then and was always 2508 02:05:56.439 --> 02:05:59.159 trying to get a Godfather three made, which he eventually did. 2509 02:05:59.600 --> 02:06:02.399 I bet that's one reason they didn't do the Zuckers idea. 2510 02:06:03.079 --> 02:06:05.439 I think that's absolutely I think that's what they say 2511 02:06:05.520 --> 02:06:05.960 in the book. 2512 02:06:06.119 --> 02:06:06.319 Yeah. 2513 02:06:06.840 --> 02:06:09.800 Yeah, were there any jokes that you guys were really 2514 02:06:10.039 --> 02:06:12.000 trying to get in there that just didn't fit. 2515 02:06:12.640 --> 02:06:14.680 A lot of times? This was true Kara Shanling too. 2516 02:06:14.720 --> 02:06:18.039 It was more like convincing Ken that stuff that was there. 2517 02:06:18.520 --> 02:06:21.960 His stuff was great. He was always like worrying, is 2518 02:06:22.000 --> 02:06:22.560 this not good? 2519 02:06:22.720 --> 02:06:23.359 Is that not good? 2520 02:06:23.479 --> 02:06:26.800 And I don't think the movie is great because obviously 2521 02:06:27.079 --> 02:06:28.960 it's derivative. But there was stuff that it was really 2522 02:06:29.039 --> 02:06:31.520 funny that you kind of had to just remind him, No, 2523 02:06:31.720 --> 02:06:32.960 this was funny when you first saw it. 2524 02:06:33.039 --> 02:06:35.119 It's still funny. It was funny. 2525 02:06:35.199 --> 02:06:38.680 He didn't want to shoot the not fun stuff. I 2526 02:06:38.800 --> 02:06:41.880 remember there's a scene where they have to they go 2527 02:06:42.000 --> 02:06:42.359 into the. 2528 02:06:42.399 --> 02:06:45.199 Back of the ship to blow up the computer core, 2529 02:06:46.119 --> 02:06:48.560 and he just didn't want to film it. He was 2530 02:06:48.680 --> 02:06:51.880 a hard thing to make funny. And I saw some 2531 02:06:52.079 --> 02:06:54.880 cameras weren't even pointing in the right direction, and. 2532 02:06:55.439 --> 02:06:58.119 Alan, Alan are just going, Ken, you gotta do this. 2533 02:06:58.960 --> 02:07:02.720 There is the whole thing, too, the idea that here's 2534 02:07:02.760 --> 02:07:06.640 the greatest comedy ever has come out. And and for 2535 02:07:06.760 --> 02:07:10.199 the sequel they hire a guy, a writer who's never directed, 2536 02:07:10.319 --> 02:07:13.880 and two twenty one year old kids who haven't done anything. 2537 02:07:14.000 --> 02:07:17.159 So I guess the miracle is that it came out okay. 2538 02:07:18.159 --> 02:07:20.560 Talking about the first one, a story I heard is 2539 02:07:20.640 --> 02:07:25.079 that Doug Kenny, the lampun genius who co wrote Animal 2540 02:07:25.119 --> 02:07:26.880 House and the Aarbook, payer, I mean, when he saw 2541 02:07:26.920 --> 02:07:29.960 Airplane he was ashen. He was like, oh my god, 2542 02:07:30.439 --> 02:07:31.720 we'll never be able to do this good. 2543 02:07:32.199 --> 02:07:32.399 Yeah. 2544 02:07:33.039 --> 02:07:35.720 Fortunately he was passed away so it couldn't cheer him up. 2545 02:07:36.279 --> 02:07:40.079 But by the way, I've always thought, I wish someone 2546 02:07:40.119 --> 02:07:42.479 could have told that Kenny how loved Kaddy Shack would be, 2547 02:07:42.960 --> 02:07:45.079 because he didn't know. And it's one of the people's 2548 02:07:45.079 --> 02:07:47.159 favored comedies. Now it's really it's nuts. 2549 02:07:48.199 --> 02:07:49.920 Notice there's no Airplane three. 2550 02:07:51.279 --> 02:07:51.880 There was one. 2551 02:07:52.000 --> 02:07:53.760 There were They were going to hire us to work 2552 02:07:53.760 --> 02:07:57.399 on one, and there was a script. But yeah, you know, 2553 02:07:57.640 --> 02:07:59.399 I think it made money because I think it was. 2554 02:07:59.560 --> 02:08:01.760 Ken was very good with the budget. So it only 2555 02:08:01.840 --> 02:08:03.800 costs seven and a half million. I think it grossed 2556 02:08:03.840 --> 02:08:08.439 maybe thirty Yeah, which after Reynolds taken out. It made 2557 02:08:08.479 --> 02:08:10.640 my money and it's played a long time. It definitely 2558 02:08:10.760 --> 02:08:11.279 wasn't profit. 2559 02:08:11.920 --> 02:08:15.119 A strange cheap thing about the movie is it didn't 2560 02:08:15.159 --> 02:08:17.600 have a score. Nobody scored it. I think they just 2561 02:08:17.760 --> 02:08:21.640 recut the score of the first movie for this one. 2562 02:08:22.560 --> 02:08:26.119 Little strange things about the movie, I should say too. 2563 02:08:26.239 --> 02:08:30.199 Ken went on to become the Canadian Ricky Gervais. He 2564 02:08:30.319 --> 02:08:34.000 did The Newsroom, which was this fantastic show before The 2565 02:08:34.079 --> 02:08:37.079 Office that was a lot like The Office, and he's 2566 02:08:37.159 --> 02:08:40.680 won numerous award. I mean, he's really a comedy hero, 2567 02:08:41.039 --> 02:08:42.000 especially in Canada. 2568 02:08:42.800 --> 02:08:46.239 He also played Grease Too, which again was just a 2569 02:08:46.399 --> 02:08:51.800 major flop and disappointment that same summer, and now that 2570 02:08:52.079 --> 02:08:55.159 is beloved and there are Grease Too sing alongs and 2571 02:08:55.239 --> 02:08:56.000 that kind of thing. 2572 02:08:56.399 --> 02:08:58.359 Paramount they made that and they said, oh, got it 2573 02:08:58.399 --> 02:09:00.920 failed because we didn't have the start. So with the 2574 02:09:00.960 --> 02:09:03.640 Airplane Too, they turned and then they put in stuff 2575 02:09:03.680 --> 02:09:05.680 that ken and we all got went at the end. 2576 02:09:05.760 --> 02:09:08.800 Oh God, just making us do the same jokes at 2577 02:09:08.840 --> 02:09:11.319 certain points that were in the first one, which I hit. 2578 02:09:11.680 --> 02:09:14.439 My brother said airplane too much like the first one, 2579 02:09:14.479 --> 02:09:20.880 and he was fine, I understand that I'm playing completely. 2580 02:09:21.640 --> 02:09:24.560 Robert Hayes told me a story about a whole sequence 2581 02:09:24.680 --> 02:09:28.399 that he swears was shot and just never happened. 2582 02:09:28.439 --> 02:09:29.279 Was it in the desert? 2583 02:09:30.199 --> 02:09:33.399 Yeah, and it became like a beach movie almost. 2584 02:09:33.840 --> 02:09:37.439 Boo yep, I want to By the way, both Robert 2585 02:09:37.439 --> 02:09:41.479 and Julie were wonderful to work with, really nice, funny, great. 2586 02:09:41.760 --> 02:09:44.640 Almost everybody that we worked with was really nice. Those 2587 02:09:44.680 --> 02:09:46.159 two in particular couldn't have been better. 2588 02:09:46.560 --> 02:09:49.039 They were really and Steven Stucker also it was very 2589 02:09:49.199 --> 02:09:50.000 fresh to us. 2590 02:09:50.439 --> 02:09:50.640 Yeah. 2591 02:09:50.720 --> 02:09:54.239 Even the big venerable stars were mostly very crazy. 2592 02:09:54.279 --> 02:09:54.960 It's really nice. 2593 02:09:55.079 --> 02:09:56.800 Yeah, Raze Lloyd Bridge. 2594 02:09:56.600 --> 02:09:57.520 Is very nice. 2595 02:09:57.560 --> 02:10:00.960 So it's sunny. Bono's in the movie, and he wanted. 2596 02:10:00.720 --> 02:10:01.319 To hire us. 2597 02:10:01.399 --> 02:10:02.159 He wanted to hire us. 2598 02:10:02.239 --> 02:10:06.079 He said, I want to do a Sicilian Cluseau, which 2599 02:10:06.119 --> 02:10:07.439 would have been a nice thing for him. 2600 02:10:07.439 --> 02:10:09.520 Sunning Bone an interesting. 2601 02:10:09.279 --> 02:10:13.840 Character because the joke figure in Hollywood who somehow achieved 2602 02:10:13.880 --> 02:10:17.199 so much and wound up in Congress. And when you 2603 02:10:17.319 --> 02:10:19.640 met him, he was the most magnetic man I ever 2604 02:10:19.760 --> 02:10:22.199 met in my life. He just was so sweet and 2605 02:10:22.439 --> 02:10:25.159 charming that it suddenly all made sense. 2606 02:10:26.000 --> 02:10:28.279 He had worked for Phil Spectors too, And when I 2607 02:10:28.319 --> 02:10:31.159 said Phil was a genius and Sonny had handle a 2608 02:10:31.199 --> 02:10:33.920 lot of that amazing stuff in the early sixties, but 2609 02:10:34.199 --> 02:10:37.039 really brilliant, you didn't answered your question. Yeah, we did 2610 02:10:37.119 --> 02:10:39.560 shoot that thing. We had Annet Flinicello, we met her, 2611 02:10:40.239 --> 02:10:43.800 and then it was another case where Finkelman, maybe correctly, 2612 02:10:44.000 --> 02:10:47.680 just said I'm suddenly too nervous of veering too fire 2613 02:10:47.840 --> 02:10:50.680 from the original, and the whole thing got cut. 2614 02:10:51.439 --> 02:10:52.000 I'll say this. 2615 02:10:52.159 --> 02:10:54.680 Al doesn't have to agree with me on this because 2616 02:10:54.680 --> 02:10:58.800 they just watched the movie again and after thirty years, 2617 02:10:58.880 --> 02:11:03.159 I go, oh, this is edited so badly. And Alan 2618 02:11:03.359 --> 02:11:06.560 Ten was very kind bringing us to editing. We were 2619 02:11:06.680 --> 02:11:10.079 very friendly with the editor, who was a charming character. 2620 02:11:10.199 --> 02:11:14.840 He's an Oscar nominated editor for The Hunt for Red October, 2621 02:11:15.000 --> 02:11:16.600 which was not a comedy. 2622 02:11:16.800 --> 02:11:19.960 But I watched the movie. The timing is so bad. 2623 02:11:20.119 --> 02:11:20.720 The jokes. 2624 02:11:21.359 --> 02:11:24.079 You know, there's running jokes that go a beat too 2625 02:11:24.279 --> 02:11:26.840 much where it just jumps out of you. I think 2626 02:11:26.880 --> 02:11:29.720 there's a much better movie in there that you could 2627 02:11:29.800 --> 02:11:32.520 copple together from footage in about three weeks. 2628 02:11:33.359 --> 02:11:36.640 Well, the editor was Dennis Burkler, and I agree with you, 2629 02:11:36.760 --> 02:11:39.680 but I would say that the final edit was gone 2630 02:11:39.680 --> 02:11:42.840 by the studio, you know, in their notes. In my opinion, 2631 02:11:43.159 --> 02:11:44.920 Dennis said this really funny thing where he put the 2632 02:11:45.000 --> 02:11:49.199 word fucking me before everything. You go again, you want 2633 02:11:49.199 --> 02:11:52.720 to fucking cookie in one of the the ways can 2634 02:11:52.800 --> 02:11:55.520 we do be snecky in Kennonis and we tape like 2635 02:11:56.279 --> 02:11:59.560 you know, fucking editing machine, fucking coffee cup labels on 2636 02:11:59.680 --> 02:12:05.159 every thing in Dennis's office. It was a lot of fun. 2637 02:12:06.039 --> 02:12:08.399 It feels like the movie did a lot for you guys. 2638 02:12:08.520 --> 02:12:11.399 But your next gig was that nine to five, the 2639 02:12:11.479 --> 02:12:12.079 TV show? 2640 02:12:13.039 --> 02:12:13.600 Was it there? 2641 02:12:14.920 --> 02:12:18.159 Not necessarily the news, not necessarily the news first, but 2642 02:12:18.239 --> 02:12:19.960 by the way, Ken it had brought us out for 2643 02:12:20.000 --> 02:12:23.880 Airplane two and got us a movie assignment too, so 2644 02:12:23.960 --> 02:12:26.960 we had a backup job and we did that afterwards, 2645 02:12:27.000 --> 02:12:30.479 and then I even turned that script into a TV pilot, 2646 02:12:31.439 --> 02:12:33.560 so he kept parceling out the work to us. 2647 02:12:33.680 --> 02:12:34.840 He was very good that way. 2648 02:12:34.960 --> 02:12:36.760 But here's the big deal. 2649 02:12:36.880 --> 02:12:40.560 We're working on Airplane two, and I'm excited, and I 2650 02:12:40.720 --> 02:12:43.039 remember one night we're out to dinner and I'm telling 2651 02:12:43.159 --> 02:12:47.199 people Airplane two is gonna be funnier than Airplane. And 2652 02:12:47.279 --> 02:12:50.680 now just afterwards said I don't think you should be 2653 02:12:50.760 --> 02:12:53.399 telling people that, and he was right. 2654 02:12:53.479 --> 02:12:55.000 In the movie just fizzled. 2655 02:12:55.079 --> 02:12:55.760 It came out. 2656 02:12:55.880 --> 02:12:56.920 It was okay. 2657 02:12:57.760 --> 02:13:00.560 If it had been another hit, and especially we'd gotten 2658 02:13:00.640 --> 02:13:04.079 writing credit, I think we'd be movie writer right now. 2659 02:13:04.079 --> 02:13:07.439 Instead of TV guys. But it just didn't give us. 2660 02:13:07.399 --> 02:13:09.680 The career boost that could have, and we wound up 2661 02:13:09.800 --> 02:13:12.560 in TV, which has been just fine. 2662 02:13:13.279 --> 02:13:15.960 I just remember I thought then and still think Airplane 2663 02:13:16.199 --> 02:13:18.920 is really one of the funniest movies. I always think 2664 02:13:18.960 --> 02:13:22.399 nothing I do will match up what else I can say. 2665 02:13:22.640 --> 02:13:25.520 There was a writer's assistant, lydd Oblinger, who was really 2666 02:13:25.560 --> 02:13:29.079 funny and creative. She became a producer once she went 2667 02:13:29.159 --> 02:13:31.520 to work on the movie. Don Simpson, the head of 2668 02:13:31.560 --> 02:13:33.880 Paramount If she was his assistant, and he said, you'll 2669 02:13:33.920 --> 02:13:39.479 never work again, But she's worked plenty. She was really 2670 02:13:39.520 --> 02:13:41.840 fun and that was back when An would do these 2671 02:13:41.880 --> 02:13:44.479 rewrites with us all night, and then he would she 2672 02:13:44.560 --> 02:13:47.399 would tape it in type and cut and paste, and 2673 02:13:47.439 --> 02:13:48.920 then we would go to I think it was called 2674 02:13:49.000 --> 02:13:52.560 Barbara's Script Service to something in Hollywood. They would come 2675 02:13:52.640 --> 02:13:55.399 back with the script completely done, ready for the morning 2676 02:13:55.479 --> 02:13:56.399 shoot at eight am. 2677 02:13:57.079 --> 02:13:58.760 Sounds like you guys were running a marathon. 2678 02:14:00.239 --> 02:14:03.279 Is exhausted as I've ever been, as hard as we 2679 02:14:03.439 --> 02:14:06.039 ever worked, and we've had some pretty tough jobs. 2680 02:14:06.880 --> 02:14:08.359 But it was fun. It was really weird. 2681 02:14:08.399 --> 02:14:12.960 It was exhilarating. And then the thing where the big 2682 02:14:13.079 --> 02:14:16.840 comedy that that winter was Tootsi and the big paramount 2683 02:14:16.920 --> 02:14:19.239 hit was shooting at the same time. It was forty 2684 02:14:19.279 --> 02:14:22.640 eight hours and it was funny. His rumors about it were, Oh, 2685 02:14:22.720 --> 02:14:24.880 they don't know this movie, isn't it? Is it a 2686 02:14:24.920 --> 02:14:28.159 comedy of the drama, And of course Eddie Murphy was fantastic, 2687 02:14:28.960 --> 02:14:33.000 so you just never know. I read much later Bob 2688 02:14:33.159 --> 02:14:35.560 Fossy had a great piece of advice, which is always 2689 02:14:35.600 --> 02:14:40.039 getting your next job before the movie comes out. Has 2690 02:14:40.119 --> 02:14:42.000 he learned that with Sweet Charity, which is a great 2691 02:14:42.039 --> 02:14:43.279 movie but it didn't do well. 2692 02:14:44.199 --> 02:14:47.119 Eddie was supposed to do a cameo in Airplane Too. 2693 02:14:47.399 --> 02:14:50.520 Is he shooting forty eight hours right next door and 2694 02:14:51.239 --> 02:14:53.520 at the last minute he sent his friend. It was 2695 02:14:53.560 --> 02:14:57.319 another black comedian. It's the guy hustling shovel tickets in 2696 02:14:57.439 --> 02:15:00.760 the airport. So he's in the movie watching it again. 2697 02:15:00.880 --> 02:15:04.399 George went from Cheers is in the first five minutes 2698 02:15:04.439 --> 02:15:06.640 of the movie. There's a couple of name actors and 2699 02:15:06.840 --> 02:15:08.760 very small roles in the. 2700 02:15:08.800 --> 02:15:11.319 Movie, as well as General burk Alter from Hogan's Here. 2701 02:15:11.720 --> 02:15:12.279 Yeah, and. 2702 02:15:14.600 --> 02:15:17.720 You know the long scene shot with in the White 2703 02:15:17.760 --> 02:15:22.920 House with rip Torn playing Ronald Reagan. Courses Ripped Torn 2704 02:15:22.960 --> 02:15:26.479 another big star in the movie, playing whatever, the head 2705 02:15:26.520 --> 02:15:30.039 of NASA or something. But he also did this extended 2706 02:15:30.199 --> 02:15:33.720 Reagan imitation and I met him years later and he 2707 02:15:33.880 --> 02:15:36.039 was so mad they had cut all that stuff. 2708 02:15:37.039 --> 02:15:39.079 I think because they didn't want to do the political jokes. 2709 02:15:39.119 --> 02:15:42.199 I think it started where he was holding the hands 2710 02:15:42.239 --> 02:15:44.000 of two black guys and then you widen and it 2711 02:15:44.079 --> 02:15:46.279 was just shake hands. Did he There was no dated 2712 02:15:46.359 --> 02:15:48.520 dish and I think that they were like, oh, no, 2713 02:15:48.680 --> 02:15:52.439 this is gonna ruffle feathers, and yeah, it's amazing for 2714 02:15:52.560 --> 02:15:53.920 a seven and a half million dollar movie. 2715 02:15:53.960 --> 02:15:54.680 How much was cut? 2716 02:15:56.159 --> 02:15:59.680 And I think what I saw on Amazon, which the 2717 02:15:59.720 --> 02:16:02.960 cut that's out there, is not what was in theaters, 2718 02:16:03.680 --> 02:16:05.479 but I can't put my finger on it. 2719 02:16:05.880 --> 02:16:08.720 It would be really hard to remember because stuff went 2720 02:16:08.760 --> 02:16:11.680 in very late, like when they put in the scene 2721 02:16:12.520 --> 02:16:14.800 with people slapping the woman on the plane or to 2722 02:16:14.840 --> 02:16:17.640 get her from stop her from panicking. I think that's 2723 02:16:17.720 --> 02:16:19.880 in my memory of the movie was it was not 2724 02:16:20.039 --> 02:16:21.000 in for most of the time. 2725 02:16:21.880 --> 02:16:25.199 We cut and finished the movie and then went back 2726 02:16:25.560 --> 02:16:28.880 for I think a week of reshoots when we did 2727 02:16:29.039 --> 02:16:32.440 extra jokes and Hervey villages wound up in the. 2728 02:16:32.479 --> 02:16:36.760 Movie, things like that the little breather, yeah breather joke. 2729 02:16:37.719 --> 02:16:40.120 By the way, it actually they did it in an airplane. 2730 02:16:40.200 --> 02:16:43.040 The first one too, the cup we saw at Harvard, 2731 02:16:43.079 --> 02:16:45.719 which was fantastic. When I saw it in the theater 2732 02:16:45.799 --> 02:16:48.840 it was even better, I think, like the Israel Airlines joke, 2733 02:16:49.000 --> 02:16:51.040 and the first one was added after we saw it. 2734 02:16:52.000 --> 02:16:53.680 It couldn't believe that it's as good as it was. 2735 02:16:53.760 --> 02:16:56.399 They made it better, Like when we saw it, you 2736 02:16:56.479 --> 02:16:58.239 were really laughing and then you peed it out a 2737 02:16:58.280 --> 02:16:59.799 little towards the end, but they fixed that. 2738 02:17:00.520 --> 02:17:02.120 When they finally released it. It was great. 2739 02:17:02.639 --> 02:17:03.360 Yeah, it was funny. 2740 02:17:03.360 --> 02:17:07.719 It did with a half baked parody of the Wizard 2741 02:17:07.799 --> 02:17:12.159 of Oz and that changed because they ended with Auto 2742 02:17:12.360 --> 02:17:17.079 the Autopilot, but then Top Secret ended with parody of Wizard, 2743 02:17:17.200 --> 02:17:19.639 the Wizard of Oz. They always knew, Oh, I guess 2744 02:17:19.680 --> 02:17:22.040 that's how we're gonna end something, which. 2745 02:17:22.000 --> 02:17:25.200 Was also in a Kentucky Fry movie, The Fistful of Yen. 2746 02:17:25.760 --> 02:17:28.559 That's right, du Yeah, that's right. 2747 02:17:28.600 --> 02:17:30.399 It's funny because when you're working on the Simpsons movie, 2748 02:17:30.440 --> 02:17:33.040 what Jim Brooks always said is it can't just be 2749 02:17:33.200 --> 02:17:34.600 like you laugh and you laugh. There's got to be 2750 02:17:34.639 --> 02:17:36.959 a point that it makes, or some emotional conclusion that 2751 02:17:37.000 --> 02:17:39.920 comes to. And it's true, like Top Secret was really funny, 2752 02:17:39.959 --> 02:17:42.399 but it didn't quite have that ending that the Airplane did. 2753 02:17:43.239 --> 02:17:46.399 Yeah, even the Jim Abraham said that it's just it's 2754 02:17:46.479 --> 02:17:50.440 not about anything, and that's what her because Wow, the jokes, 2755 02:17:50.520 --> 02:17:54.040 it's so worth another watch because the jokes are so 2756 02:17:54.920 --> 02:17:59.360 they're like jokes you've never seen before, jokes from another planet. 2757 02:17:59.440 --> 02:18:00.479 I really right. 2758 02:18:01.319 --> 02:18:04.040 The other thing, too, is has always pointed out Airplane 2759 02:18:04.120 --> 02:18:06.719 was based on the serious movie Zero Hour, and that 2760 02:18:06.920 --> 02:18:08.680 had a great story. The whole thing about a guy 2761 02:18:08.680 --> 02:18:11.440 as going on a plane, you know, is really compelling. 2762 02:18:11.559 --> 02:18:14.159 So you gotta have that at the bottom, I think. 2763 02:18:14.719 --> 02:18:16.280 Yeah, you can see it on YouTube. 2764 02:18:16.399 --> 02:18:20.799 They cut the two movies together, and it's just how literal, 2765 02:18:20.920 --> 02:18:24.399 how faithfully they followed this old movie nobody's ever seen, 2766 02:18:24.520 --> 02:18:27.840 almost seen for see and line for line. It's always 2767 02:18:27.879 --> 02:18:31.360 been like a kind of Miss three science theater vibe 2768 02:18:31.440 --> 02:18:33.879 to it, where they were clearly watching the movie and 2769 02:18:33.959 --> 02:18:35.559 then shouting the jokes at it. 2770 02:18:36.000 --> 02:18:36.200 Yeah. 2771 02:18:36.239 --> 02:18:38.000 I thought that was a little unfair that you guys 2772 02:18:38.079 --> 02:18:41.840 didn't have that framework to hang your jokes on, other 2773 02:18:41.959 --> 02:18:46.159 than your framework was the first movie correct exactly. 2774 02:18:46.239 --> 02:18:49.440 What happened and the tragic flaw. Yeah, but when you're 2775 02:18:49.520 --> 02:18:53.879 making something called Airplane too to see it be so. 2776 02:18:53.959 --> 02:18:56.000 What I can tell you that we can gossip a 2777 02:18:56.040 --> 02:18:59.680 little about the cass I remember Lloyd Bridge. I can 2778 02:18:59.719 --> 02:19:03.559 say this because everybody's dead. Every movie is dead. 2779 02:19:03.799 --> 02:19:05.959 That Robert and Julie thanks exceptely. 2780 02:19:06.920 --> 02:19:09.959 But Lloyd Bridges, who was again very kind to us, 2781 02:19:10.120 --> 02:19:14.079 was very tantankerous. It's a lot of people, you know, 2782 02:19:14.200 --> 02:19:17.479 were serious actors who were in a comedy and suddenly 2783 02:19:17.680 --> 02:19:18.840 think they're really funny. 2784 02:19:18.920 --> 02:19:22.239 So Lloyd had a bunch of jokes he wanted to do, 2785 02:19:22.440 --> 02:19:23.680 and they weren't good and. 2786 02:19:24.520 --> 02:19:27.600 It got very antagonistic with Ken Finkleman, and at one 2787 02:19:27.680 --> 02:19:29.600 point it looked like they were gonna fight. They were 2788 02:19:29.639 --> 02:19:32.280 gonna fight on the set and Ken is thirty eight 2789 02:19:32.360 --> 02:19:35.520 and Lloyd was probably twice his age, but it looked 2790 02:19:35.559 --> 02:19:35.760 like it. 2791 02:19:35.840 --> 02:19:37.360 Was gonna be a pretty good fist fight. 2792 02:19:38.200 --> 02:19:42.079 And John Vernon was so great an animal house is 2793 02:19:42.159 --> 02:19:44.680 in the movie, and that guy was a jerk, and 2794 02:19:44.760 --> 02:19:47.600 he had a lot of bad comedy ideas. 2795 02:19:48.200 --> 02:19:53.959 I remember like he looked at us and said, you writers. Anyway, 2796 02:19:53.959 --> 02:19:56.000 he wanted to pitch some stuff, but it really was like, oh, 2797 02:19:56.079 --> 02:19:59.399 it's Dean, He's gonna double suspend me. 2798 02:20:00.200 --> 02:20:03.879 And Chad Everett also he seemed like a really nice 2799 02:20:03.959 --> 02:20:08.719 guy who somehow and just didn't like him, didn't like him, 2800 02:20:08.840 --> 02:20:11.040 didn't want to film him. And we I thought he 2801 02:20:11.159 --> 02:20:13.479 was really funny and it's good in the movie. And 2802 02:20:14.000 --> 02:20:16.760 he again had a bunch of joke pitches that didn't 2803 02:20:16.959 --> 02:20:20.719 really go anywhere. It was nice, it was nice, everyone's 2804 02:20:20.799 --> 02:20:24.639 making an effort. There's a couple of bloopers fans can 2805 02:20:24.760 --> 02:20:27.319 watch for all the way through. Again, Al was almost 2806 02:20:27.479 --> 02:20:31.360 always right on things like this where they're doing some 2807 02:20:31.600 --> 02:20:34.360 technical stuff and Ken said to the actors just say 2808 02:20:34.440 --> 02:20:38.520 some technical jargon, and one of the actors is going 2809 02:20:38.600 --> 02:20:43.079 technical jargon, technical bullshit and out there. I don't think 2810 02:20:43.120 --> 02:20:46.120 he should do that, and I said, don't worry, it'll never. 2811 02:20:46.040 --> 02:20:46.719 Be in the movie. 2812 02:20:46.719 --> 02:20:49.479 And of course it's in the movie. And there's also 2813 02:20:49.520 --> 02:20:52.959 some lots for where Peter Graves cut himself in the 2814 02:20:53.000 --> 02:20:55.680 middle of the shooting. I think on the cockpit equipment. 2815 02:20:56.399 --> 02:20:58.799 He has a band aid that pops on and off 2816 02:20:58.920 --> 02:21:01.559 of his hand during a couple of scenes, so you 2817 02:21:01.600 --> 02:21:02.280 can watch that. 2818 02:21:03.520 --> 02:21:06.399 One joke I did fight for was the Jeopardy joke, 2819 02:21:06.479 --> 02:21:08.920 and then when it stayed in ken Mad it'd be like, Okay, 2820 02:21:09.040 --> 02:21:09.920 you got it, good for you. 2821 02:21:11.319 --> 02:21:12.120 So I was happy. 2822 02:21:12.600 --> 02:21:16.559 And Mike, you wrote the whole Overnacho Grande stuff just 2823 02:21:16.719 --> 02:21:17.719 off the top of your head. 2824 02:21:18.079 --> 02:21:20.040 I think I had worked it out in my head. 2825 02:21:20.120 --> 02:21:24.120 I love that kind of stuff, and Al's nice about it. 2826 02:21:24.280 --> 02:21:27.559 It never gonna laugh. It never gonna laugh at readings 2827 02:21:27.719 --> 02:21:30.239 or at screenings, but I'm hoping people like it. 2828 02:21:30.399 --> 02:21:35.000 It's clever. It's clever, it's not funny, and I hope people. 2829 02:21:35.239 --> 02:21:38.680 I've seen it pop up as a meme on Twitter, 2830 02:21:38.840 --> 02:21:41.159 so I guess people like that bit well enough. 2831 02:21:41.319 --> 02:21:46.520 The entrance of William Shatner, that is a definite meme. 2832 02:21:46.559 --> 02:21:49.200 I've seen that pop up on lists of best sight 2833 02:21:49.319 --> 02:21:52.159 gags of all time, and that it was Ken Fingleman's joke. 2834 02:21:52.200 --> 02:21:55.639 It was the three day job Alan I and Ken 2835 02:21:56.239 --> 02:21:59.239 we're just working on it for days. There are certain 2836 02:21:59.280 --> 02:22:02.440 things we put a lot of work into, including the 2837 02:22:02.639 --> 02:22:05.079 opening joke with the Star Wars crawl. 2838 02:22:05.760 --> 02:22:06.399 We worked so. 2839 02:22:06.959 --> 02:22:10.920 Hard and Shatner we only had for three days. That 2840 02:22:11.120 --> 02:22:13.559 was cool that we got him, but he would shoot 2841 02:22:13.639 --> 02:22:16.239 for three days and he showed up with a mustache 2842 02:22:16.760 --> 02:22:18.639 and we're like, but now he doesn't look like Captain 2843 02:22:18.680 --> 02:22:21.639 Kirk and he'd actually just a fake mustache. He said, sure, 2844 02:22:21.639 --> 02:22:24.959 I'll take it off. But he was also shatnery. There 2845 02:22:25.040 --> 02:22:27.000 was a thing where he has the scripts advisor. How 2846 02:22:27.079 --> 02:22:29.600 was that Senior just shot and like because it was good? No, 2847 02:22:29.799 --> 02:22:31.040 it was perfect, It was good. 2848 02:22:31.440 --> 02:22:35.920 It was perfect. He was as Shatonery as you'd like. 2849 02:22:36.040 --> 02:22:38.559 And the joke where he looks through the scope and 2850 02:22:38.680 --> 02:22:41.520 sees the enterprise, he didn't know we put that in 2851 02:22:41.680 --> 02:22:43.719 that we were first to do any Star Trek references, 2852 02:22:43.760 --> 02:22:46.879 but can put that editing so that got a huge laugh. 2853 02:22:47.399 --> 02:22:49.760 I guess it doesn't exactly get credit. There's a couple 2854 02:22:49.799 --> 02:22:53.719 of great calls they made in cast things, Shatner. 2855 02:22:53.360 --> 02:22:54.000 Being one of them. 2856 02:22:54.079 --> 02:22:57.639 He'd never done any comedy, and now since then, I 2857 02:22:57.680 --> 02:22:59.959 would say he's made a great second career. 2858 02:23:00.079 --> 02:23:02.760 Her parent zone, Oh he's super funny. 2859 02:23:02.840 --> 02:23:05.920 Yeah, absolutely, by the way, I think because Alan I 2860 02:23:06.239 --> 02:23:09.079 he was difficult on the movie and so we never 2861 02:23:09.280 --> 02:23:09.760 loved him. 2862 02:23:09.799 --> 02:23:12.920 But watching the movie thirty years later, I go, oh, 2863 02:23:13.000 --> 02:23:13.639 he's great. 2864 02:23:13.840 --> 02:23:16.600 He's so funny at the film. And the other one 2865 02:23:16.760 --> 02:23:19.520 is Raymond Burr, who again had never done comedy, and 2866 02:23:19.760 --> 02:23:22.639 it just tickled Pink to be there and be doing 2867 02:23:22.760 --> 02:23:23.360 this movie. 2868 02:23:23.920 --> 02:23:24.920 He's so happy. 2869 02:23:25.040 --> 02:23:27.239 And that's my other favorite joke of Ken's in the 2870 02:23:27.319 --> 02:23:30.799 movie is where Julie goes. He used to laugh and 2871 02:23:30.920 --> 02:23:31.600 laugh all the time. 2872 02:23:31.639 --> 02:23:33.399 Do you know what that's like? And remember Gouse, Yes 2873 02:23:33.440 --> 02:23:34.920 I do, and. 2874 02:23:35.000 --> 02:23:36.959 That was it. He would do a scene like that 2875 02:23:37.280 --> 02:23:39.440 and then we would break and he was just got 2876 02:23:39.520 --> 02:23:41.520 was it funny? Was it funny? Was it good? Did 2877 02:23:41.559 --> 02:23:41.959 you like it? 2878 02:23:42.959 --> 02:23:44.760 Lanzel and I had one last little story about how 2879 02:23:45.000 --> 02:23:47.879 great Ken was. My family comes to this set, I go, 2880 02:23:48.000 --> 02:23:51.280 oh God, please don't do anything. And I leave to 2881 02:23:51.399 --> 02:23:52.680 go in a little room with Mike and right and 2882 02:23:52.719 --> 02:23:54.799 I come back and Ken is so accommodated. He's got 2883 02:23:54.840 --> 02:23:57.559 my five year old brother looking through the lens. It's 2884 02:23:57.639 --> 02:24:00.879 just so so nice and such a He gave us 2885 02:24:00.920 --> 02:24:03.719 our start, Ken and I've always appreciated it. 2886 02:24:04.399 --> 02:24:05.280 It's an amazing thing. 2887 02:24:05.440 --> 02:24:09.079 Both our parents showed up on the set. And I 2888 02:24:09.280 --> 02:24:13.479 lived in southern California. My parents we're in LA My 2889 02:24:13.639 --> 02:24:16.879 parents are two hours away. That's the only time they 2890 02:24:17.000 --> 02:24:20.319 ever came to visit me was when they that and 2891 02:24:20.440 --> 02:24:23.040 my mother just couldn't control herself. 2892 02:24:23.159 --> 02:24:26.879 Richard Jacob is in the movie, who was a hard 2893 02:24:26.959 --> 02:24:27.719 crop to her. 2894 02:24:27.680 --> 02:24:30.479 When she was young, and she's touching him like it's 2895 02:24:30.520 --> 02:24:33.040 an object and he's just taking it. 2896 02:24:34.280 --> 02:24:36.159 I didn't mentione that. And my brother's had some of 2897 02:24:36.159 --> 02:24:39.120 the best scenes. It was really fun. It was great. 2898 02:24:39.239 --> 02:24:40.760 I wish the movie had done a little better, but 2899 02:24:41.040 --> 02:24:44.200 it was an experienced that you couldn't matche well. 2900 02:24:44.360 --> 02:24:47.719 Very famously, Quinton Tarantino as a fan of the movie 2901 02:24:48.639 --> 02:24:50.600 on this podcast where He's Going. I was working a 2902 02:24:50.639 --> 02:24:53.040 movie there and I would watch Airplane two and I 2903 02:24:53.200 --> 02:24:56.159 loved it. And the host of the podcast keeps going, 2904 02:24:56.280 --> 02:24:59.319 you mean airplane and he goes, no, I mean airplane too. 2905 02:25:00.200 --> 02:25:02.399 And if anybody knows this too, it's Quentin Tarranteeth. 2906 02:25:03.079 --> 02:25:05.000 Thank you so much, guys, Thank you so great, and 2907 02:25:05.040 --> 02:25:06.920 I hope we can do it again sometime. 2908 02:25:06.879 --> 02:25:08.559 My pleasure. Thanks Mike A. Putt. 2909 02:25:18.360 --> 02:25:20.639 That's why we're back. And we're talking about Airplane two, 2910 02:25:21.000 --> 02:25:25.000 the sequel, and we're talking about the deleted scenes, and 2911 02:25:25.120 --> 02:25:28.879 there are a onun for this movie. Did you guys 2912 02:25:28.959 --> 02:25:31.280 have any particular favorites from the ones that you were 2913 02:25:31.319 --> 02:25:31.799 able to see. 2914 02:25:32.319 --> 02:25:34.879 I watched the ones that you provided us, and then 2915 02:25:34.920 --> 02:25:37.840 I clicked on the link in the notes to the YouTube, 2916 02:25:38.799 --> 02:25:41.639 and that water Coool of Films guy, I've seen a 2917 02:25:41.680 --> 02:25:43.959 lot of his stuff before, where he's doing the compare 2918 02:25:44.000 --> 02:25:48.799 and contrast and showing the difference between basically the TV 2919 02:25:49.000 --> 02:25:57.719 version and the original version, and or the extended and 2920 02:25:57.920 --> 02:26:01.719 or deleted scenes which I've sum probably appeared in the 2921 02:26:01.920 --> 02:26:04.719 TV version. I'm assuming I think most of those in 2922 02:26:04.799 --> 02:26:07.680 that YouTube video appeared on TV. 2923 02:26:08.879 --> 02:26:13.479 The stuff that didn't. So in the trailer, there's a 2924 02:26:13.840 --> 02:26:16.639 sequence where this guy who looks like Carl Malden is 2925 02:26:16.760 --> 02:26:18.879 there and this couple comes up and they're like, we 2926 02:26:19.040 --> 02:26:21.120 lost our travelers checks and he says, well, did you 2927 02:26:21.200 --> 02:26:24.040 have American excess or something like that. We even made 2928 02:26:24.079 --> 02:26:27.399 it to the poster to the quad poster for Airplane two, 2929 02:26:27.479 --> 02:26:30.440 so the British poster of it has that Carl Malden 2930 02:26:30.520 --> 02:26:34.879 guy on there. It's interesting because there's a newspaper from 2931 02:26:35.280 --> 02:26:39.319 the San Francisco Chronicle December fifth, nineteen eighty two Nancy Mills, 2932 02:26:39.920 --> 02:26:43.600 and she writes about a scene where Aldo Ray shows 2933 02:26:43.719 --> 02:26:47.520 up as a sergeant major who during an emergency, leads 2934 02:26:47.559 --> 02:26:50.520 the passengers and songs such as pack up your troubles 2935 02:26:50.559 --> 02:26:55.879 in your old bag. She also references the clothesline joke, 2936 02:26:56.000 --> 02:26:59.639 which is in those deleted scenes where I think it's 2937 02:27:00.120 --> 02:27:02.799 McCord is trying to come back through the door because 2938 02:27:02.840 --> 02:27:06.159 he's been jettisoned by Rock and I can't remember the 2939 02:27:06.280 --> 02:27:09.319 name of the one the poor Testa, thank you for 2940 02:27:09.479 --> 02:27:13.319 Testa gets really her role gets cut the hell yeah, 2941 02:27:14.280 --> 02:27:17.719 So with Testa, she grabs onto the sleeve and starts 2942 02:27:17.760 --> 02:27:20.639 pulling and it becomes this whole clothesline thing and no 2943 02:27:20.799 --> 02:27:23.319 person at the end of it. So that was in 2944 02:27:24.120 --> 02:27:28.319 whatever screening. Nancy Mills saw, but I've never seen that. 2945 02:27:28.719 --> 02:27:31.399 Although ra scene whatsoever. 2946 02:27:31.239 --> 02:27:35.520 There wasn't anything that seemed completely necessary. You get a 2947 02:27:36.000 --> 02:27:40.520 fairly extended scene of Sonny Bono with his spouse, and 2948 02:27:40.680 --> 02:27:43.000 I couldn't place the actress's name, and I didn't. I 2949 02:27:43.799 --> 02:27:45.600 was like, oh, I know her from something, but I 2950 02:27:45.760 --> 02:27:49.319 had I doubt she's in the movie credits for this, 2951 02:27:49.639 --> 02:27:52.520 so that was rying me crazy. But anyway, you get 2952 02:27:52.600 --> 02:27:56.600 more of his impotence, and it's funny. She's pawing the 2953 02:27:56.680 --> 02:28:01.120 guy next to her. She's saying, it's okay all that stuff. 2954 02:28:00.879 --> 02:28:04.000 And we haven't had sex and five years and just 2955 02:28:04.079 --> 02:28:05.760 as all pawing on that guy. 2956 02:28:06.000 --> 02:28:08.959 Uh, he's just throwing his tie and everything. 2957 02:28:09.639 --> 02:28:11.319 I don't know what I've done to deserve this, but 2958 02:28:11.399 --> 02:28:12.200 I'm very excited. 2959 02:28:12.879 --> 02:28:14.760 So the whole thing with this movie then becomes what 2960 02:28:15.239 --> 02:28:17.159 we will never know. What version of the movie was 2961 02:28:17.200 --> 02:28:19.440 seen by some of the people who was screened for early. 2962 02:28:20.319 --> 02:28:23.719 Was it Airplane or was it Naked Gun where they 2963 02:28:24.639 --> 02:28:26.920 took it to like UCLA and showed it to I 2964 02:28:26.959 --> 02:28:31.040 think that was Naked Gun and monitored the gag popularity 2965 02:28:31.159 --> 02:28:33.479 that way. Let's not take it to a screening let's 2966 02:28:33.520 --> 02:28:37.920 take it to college kids and show them and gauge 2967 02:28:38.000 --> 02:28:42.159 it that way. And again there's, like we've said multiple times, 2968 02:28:42.200 --> 02:28:45.360 there is a gag a second in this and you 2969 02:28:45.600 --> 02:28:50.680 can probably toss a good number of them. And the 2970 02:28:51.520 --> 02:28:54.520 couple of bits that are funny is the guy making 2971 02:28:54.600 --> 02:28:58.120 the donation to the heart charity, the cardiac thing and 2972 02:28:58.200 --> 02:29:02.399 the guy having an heart attack. Is it really necessary? No, 2973 02:29:02.680 --> 02:29:05.360 because there are so many gags at that opening of 2974 02:29:06.479 --> 02:29:11.280 people entering the airport, some of the deleted stuff that 2975 02:29:11.319 --> 02:29:13.760 they're showing in that is odd to like with family, 2976 02:29:14.440 --> 02:29:15.079 the priest and. 2977 02:29:15.200 --> 02:29:18.200 The oh yeah, the little priest and the little nun. 2978 02:29:18.680 --> 02:29:20.159 Is that the gag that they were I guess they 2979 02:29:20.280 --> 02:29:21.799 have kids that are part of the church. 2980 02:29:21.879 --> 02:29:24.840 Yes, I guess I had a priest and anne children 2981 02:29:25.079 --> 02:29:25.520 or something. 2982 02:29:25.639 --> 02:29:28.200 Yeah, yeah, babies that are just like them. 2983 02:29:29.159 --> 02:29:32.360 There is a four K coming out of Airplane really 2984 02:29:32.399 --> 02:29:34.760 from Keno Larber. It was announced last month. 2985 02:29:35.040 --> 02:29:38.159 Yeah, they didn't contact me to do the audio commentary, 2986 02:29:38.200 --> 02:29:38.719 that's for sure. 2987 02:29:38.840 --> 02:29:41.520 It was announced to March ninth of last month. Keno 2988 02:29:41.600 --> 02:29:44.479 Larbert are preparing a four K release of Ken Finckelman's 2989 02:29:44.479 --> 02:29:45.040 Airplane two. 2990 02:29:45.120 --> 02:29:48.159 Maybe we'll finally get to see the I mentioned the 2991 02:29:48.360 --> 02:29:52.040 William Shatner stuff because there's pictures that you share of 2992 02:29:52.120 --> 02:29:54.920 William Shatner and the two gals that are on the 2993 02:29:55.000 --> 02:29:57.760 moon base in completely different outfits. 2994 02:29:58.879 --> 02:30:01.559 Yeah, they're dressed up. It's almost like a native kind 2995 02:30:01.600 --> 02:30:05.639 of thing. And Shatner's Vuana sitting in between them. I'm like, 2996 02:30:05.879 --> 02:30:09.879 where the hell is this? And then another shot of 2997 02:30:10.000 --> 02:30:13.920 him in a dentist's chair. I guess it is. He 2998 02:30:14.079 --> 02:30:17.120 looks very intense, like he's about to start spitting, and 2999 02:30:17.440 --> 02:30:19.399 you can see the dentist next to him. I'm like, 3000 02:30:20.000 --> 02:30:21.639 where is this stuff coming from? 3001 02:30:22.559 --> 02:30:25.200 And they were doing Marvel Cinematic Universe shit before Marvel 3002 02:30:25.319 --> 02:30:25.719 was doing And. 3003 02:30:26.559 --> 02:30:27.959 Then I don't know if you guys had a chance 3004 02:30:28.000 --> 02:30:30.239 to listen to the Robert Hayes story, but he tells 3005 02:30:30.280 --> 02:30:34.120 this whole story about how there was this surfing dream 3006 02:30:34.399 --> 02:30:38.239 slash flashback where he's going through the desert and he's 3007 02:30:38.319 --> 02:30:42.559 wearing his French foreign legion type outfit and he thinks 3008 02:30:42.600 --> 02:30:45.799 that he sees this oasis up ahead, but then it 3009 02:30:45.879 --> 02:30:48.399 turns out to just be like super tiny, just there 3010 02:30:48.520 --> 02:30:51.479 was a force perspective thing. But then he keeps going 3011 02:30:51.719 --> 02:30:55.280 and he sees this beach and all of these surfers 3012 02:30:55.399 --> 02:30:58.200 and a lane is out surfing, and Annette Funicello was 3013 02:30:58.239 --> 02:31:01.120 actually in the movie, and he has lines within net 3014 02:31:01.159 --> 02:31:04.000 Funicello and it's like, where the hell's that? And the 3015 02:31:04.079 --> 02:31:06.040 way he described I'm like, you shot that? 3016 02:31:06.200 --> 02:31:06.840 This is real? 3017 02:31:06.959 --> 02:31:09.000 Like you And he's, oh, yeah, no, we shot this thing. 3018 02:31:09.079 --> 02:31:12.079 I'm like, what that hell, man, that's a huge number 3019 02:31:12.200 --> 02:31:15.280 that you're doing. And they just cut it out altogether. 3020 02:31:16.280 --> 02:31:19.239 In my mind, when I heard that story, it reminded 3021 02:31:19.280 --> 02:31:21.000 me of what would have happened in the first movie 3022 02:31:21.000 --> 02:31:23.399 if they cut the discos. That scene is such a 3023 02:31:23.520 --> 02:31:26.079 memorable scene in the first movie that it's like, why second, 3024 02:31:26.159 --> 02:31:28.680 guess yourself? I guess is what I don't understand about 3025 02:31:28.680 --> 02:31:31.000 Airplane two. And this movie has a reputation for a reason, 3026 02:31:31.159 --> 02:31:34.280 like this movie's reputation does precede it, and it's because 3027 02:31:34.319 --> 02:31:37.239 of the deleted scenes and the possibility that there was 3028 02:31:37.280 --> 02:31:39.840 a version of this movie that is more than just 3029 02:31:39.920 --> 02:31:42.079 eleven minutes longer. There's a version of this movie that 3030 02:31:42.200 --> 02:31:45.680 is seemingly like possibly fifteen to twenty minutes longer, because 3031 02:31:46.120 --> 02:31:48.360 that scene is not just two or three minutes there's 3032 02:31:48.399 --> 02:31:50.559 no way, not with the amount of what he is 3033 02:31:50.680 --> 02:31:54.239 talking about, possibly and again having clearly been shot, because 3034 02:31:54.280 --> 02:31:56.600 he's speaking about it like it exists. 3035 02:31:56.719 --> 02:32:01.760 So and it's a short film. The theatrical release is 3036 02:32:01.920 --> 02:32:05.559 under ninety minutes correct, right, so it's like you didn't 3037 02:32:05.559 --> 02:32:07.639 really have to take a hatchet to it. It's a 3038 02:32:07.799 --> 02:32:11.879 tight eighty four minutes or whatever, and it moves at 3039 02:32:11.879 --> 02:32:16.200 a great pace. But you probably could have kept a 3040 02:32:16.239 --> 02:32:17.360 couple of those gags. 3041 02:32:17.520 --> 02:32:17.879 I don't know. 3042 02:32:18.799 --> 02:32:22.079 The flashback that happens when he's talking with the old 3043 02:32:22.159 --> 02:32:25.600 woman who is in the first movie, she's the one 3044 02:32:25.680 --> 02:32:27.760 that hangs herself, but in this one she says, oh, 3045 02:32:27.840 --> 02:32:31.520 I've got an iron stomach, and then when he starts talking, 3046 02:32:31.680 --> 02:32:34.840 she starts reaching for the airsickness bag and starts vomiting. 3047 02:32:35.799 --> 02:32:39.000 Right after that, or like in the middle of that discussion, 3048 02:32:39.959 --> 02:32:45.000 it says, production number Grease parody to come. So apparently 3049 02:32:45.040 --> 02:32:47.159 we're supposed to have Grease parody at some point in 3050 02:32:47.280 --> 02:32:49.120 this movie, and that's all it says, and then it 3051 02:32:49.239 --> 02:32:53.920 just goes from it says, flashback starts, production number, flashback 3052 02:32:54.079 --> 02:32:57.639 ends atier cabin, him saying anyway, I don't want to 3053 02:32:57.680 --> 02:33:01.000 go on forever, and then it's her and Gray. She's 3054 02:33:01.040 --> 02:33:03.680 covered with cobwebs and his comatose, so it's like the 3055 02:33:03.719 --> 02:33:07.239 skeleton gag that we get. That's okay, yeah, there's And 3056 02:33:07.319 --> 02:33:09.920 then was that a grease parody because there is some 3057 02:33:10.120 --> 02:33:11.559 surfing stuff in there with Sandy? 3058 02:33:11.879 --> 02:33:12.399 I don't know. 3059 02:33:13.040 --> 02:33:16.559 Second guessing yourselves is a weird thing with comedies, because 3060 02:33:16.680 --> 02:33:18.520 you know, when you watch The Eliteeds, you're like, oh, 3061 02:33:18.600 --> 02:33:20.920 these kind of worked with this movie, they kind of work, 3062 02:33:21.600 --> 02:33:23.239 And with the movie being as short as it is, 3063 02:33:23.280 --> 02:33:24.959 it's like, why did we have to come in under 3064 02:33:25.079 --> 02:33:27.680 ninety minutes? Was that a requirement from somebody? 3065 02:33:27.879 --> 02:33:27.920 Like? 3066 02:33:28.120 --> 02:33:31.799 Why ninety minutes? That's fairly a goddamn feature length film. 3067 02:33:32.399 --> 02:33:38.040 I'm not gonna argue against keeping it short, but yeah, 3068 02:33:38.120 --> 02:33:40.600 I think you probably could have squeezed a couple of 3069 02:33:40.639 --> 02:33:43.760 those deleted scenes and maybe they were no not if 3070 02:33:43.760 --> 02:33:44.680 they were traditional. 3071 02:33:45.079 --> 02:33:47.680 Even the conditioned Green thing would have been interesting in 3072 02:33:47.760 --> 02:33:50.520 that little shot of Earl Bowen though that was originally 3073 02:33:50.559 --> 02:33:53.600 supposed to be Leslie Nielsen, when they just had that 3074 02:33:53.760 --> 02:33:57.600 one little short flashback when they're like conditioned green and 3075 02:33:57.680 --> 02:33:59.319 then they cut over to the guy and his face 3076 02:33:59.399 --> 02:34:02.239 is all green and it's ket Roll Bowen, the guy 3077 02:34:02.280 --> 02:34:06.120 that plays a psychiatrist from the Terminator movies. Take two 3078 02:34:06.120 --> 02:34:07.760 of these and call me in the morning kind of thing, 3079 02:34:08.200 --> 02:34:09.639 and I was like, Wow, that was nice to see 3080 02:34:09.719 --> 02:34:12.040 him show up. But that's it. By the way, I 3081 02:34:12.120 --> 02:34:16.440 think that the wife is Lee Percell because there's also 3082 02:34:16.799 --> 02:34:23.600 those credits. There are let's see one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, 3083 02:34:24.319 --> 02:34:28.879 eight characters that are completely cut out according to the 3084 02:34:29.079 --> 02:34:31.680 end credits, because our end credits on the real movie 3085 02:34:31.799 --> 02:34:35.239 stop at smoking man played by Ronald House and then 3086 02:34:35.280 --> 02:34:38.719 it goes into Lee Percell wife. Yeah, and then a 3087 02:34:38.799 --> 02:34:42.040 few more people after that. No aldough Ray though, And 3088 02:34:42.239 --> 02:34:46.440 I'm sad about this four k of Airplane two because 3089 02:34:46.479 --> 02:34:48.360 then I'm just like, who the hell's doing the commentary 3090 02:34:48.479 --> 02:34:48.959 for this night? 3091 02:34:49.159 --> 02:34:51.399 Not Mike White, which is the biggest shame because the 3092 02:34:51.479 --> 02:34:54.360 amount of the amount of legwork that you've done. I 3093 02:34:54.440 --> 02:34:56.399 want to keep a little bit of praise on you, Mike, 3094 02:34:56.559 --> 02:34:58.920 like you are the reason that we are doing this episode, 3095 02:34:58.959 --> 02:35:02.680 and you masked all of this kind of as we've 3096 02:35:02.760 --> 02:35:05.520 been doing these comedy things the last couple of years. 3097 02:35:05.559 --> 02:35:08.040 Because when we did the Airplane episode, was a year 3098 02:35:08.079 --> 02:35:08.760 and a half ago. 3099 02:35:09.760 --> 02:35:14.079 I did this article about Airplane two. I don't even 3100 02:35:14.239 --> 02:35:16.840 know how many years ago. I was asked by Ben 3101 02:35:16.920 --> 02:35:21.239 Omard over at bear Manner Media, our friend's Bear Manner, Yeah, 3102 02:35:21.360 --> 02:35:24.200 and he asked me to write about a few films 3103 02:35:24.280 --> 02:35:26.680 that have never been At that time, they were never 3104 02:35:26.799 --> 02:35:29.799 released with extras, and so he was like, oh, can 3105 02:35:29.879 --> 02:35:33.200 you do something about it was a ninety seven six 3106 02:35:33.399 --> 02:35:38.040 Evil Too, Airplane two North Avenue of regulars, and then 3107 02:35:38.079 --> 02:35:41.319 he wanted me to do Halloween three, but then that 3108 02:35:41.479 --> 02:35:44.760 came out with a shit ton of extras, Thank goodness. 3109 02:35:45.319 --> 02:35:48.680 The other ones never have except maybe now Airplane two 3110 02:35:48.719 --> 02:35:52.159 will fingers crossed. I did these interviews with the Finkleman 3111 02:35:52.239 --> 02:35:54.479 and as forever ago, so that's one reason why they 3112 02:35:54.520 --> 02:35:57.399 sound kind of shoddy. Hopefully people will be able to 3113 02:35:57.479 --> 02:36:00.399 get through those without a problem. But yes, So those 3114 02:36:00.520 --> 02:36:02.520 interviews were just sitting there and I was like, I 3115 02:36:02.680 --> 02:36:05.399 really want to revisit this, and that's when I started 3116 02:36:05.440 --> 02:36:07.479 looking for other folks to talk to and being able 3117 02:36:07.520 --> 02:36:11.000 to talk with Alan, Mike and then mister Watson. That 3118 02:36:11.120 --> 02:36:11.959 was fantastic. 3119 02:36:12.440 --> 02:36:14.399 Again, I'm impressed by the amount of leg work that 3120 02:36:14.479 --> 02:36:16.479 you've done, and once again, I think if anyone is 3121 02:36:16.559 --> 02:36:19.399 listening to this episode, this is probably the definitive singular 3122 02:36:19.520 --> 02:36:21.680 thing about Airplane two that you need to listen to, 3123 02:36:22.440 --> 02:36:24.760 especially given the amount of interviews that you know you 3124 02:36:24.959 --> 02:36:28.040 got for this episode. So I hope we get to 3125 02:36:28.120 --> 02:36:32.000 see something more with that four K, but Jesus it 3126 02:36:32.040 --> 02:36:34.319 would be nice, But they haven't announced what's going to 3127 02:36:34.360 --> 02:36:36.479 be on the Kenolorber four K yet, so that's the 3128 02:36:36.600 --> 02:36:40.159 only kind of question. Maybe it'll be nothing again. 3129 02:36:41.040 --> 02:36:42.600 I just looked down on my notes and I saw 3130 02:36:42.680 --> 02:36:46.399 something I circled. What's proper spelling of war. 3131 02:36:48.079 --> 02:36:51.479 If you don't want to get if you don't want 3132 02:36:51.520 --> 02:36:54.200 to speed tuned by Roddenberry? 3133 02:36:54.360 --> 02:36:54.840 Have you? O? 3134 02:36:56.200 --> 02:36:56.440 Yes? 3135 02:36:56.760 --> 02:36:57.079 Okay? 3136 02:36:57.200 --> 02:36:57.760 Is that why? 3137 02:36:58.159 --> 02:36:59.280 I would imagine? 3138 02:36:59.399 --> 02:36:59.440 So? 3139 02:36:59.639 --> 02:37:03.600 I think warp is actually a copywritten word from Paramount Pictures. 3140 02:37:04.920 --> 02:37:07.200 It's not a science term. I don't think, so swarp 3141 02:37:07.280 --> 02:37:11.760 speed that's Star Trek related Star Trek Okay, Okay, that 3142 02:37:11.879 --> 02:37:13.760 makes sense then, because I'm like, why and the fuck 3143 02:37:13.879 --> 02:37:14.959 is it misspelled in this? 3144 02:37:15.479 --> 02:37:15.799 I don't know. 3145 02:37:15.920 --> 02:37:17.959 I've heard other people say warp speed before. 3146 02:37:18.840 --> 02:37:21.799 I've heard people say ludicrous speed, but they might have 3147 02:37:21.920 --> 02:37:22.719 just spelled it weird. 3148 02:37:22.799 --> 02:37:23.159 I don't know. 3149 02:37:23.680 --> 02:37:25.799 It could be one of those Canadian spellings. 3150 02:37:26.360 --> 02:37:27.600 Have you ever even been to Canada? 3151 02:37:28.159 --> 02:37:33.360 It's pronounced Canada and no, I haven't. It looks like Mike, 3152 02:37:33.399 --> 02:37:36.639 You're right, it looks like Star Trek. It would be 3153 02:37:36.840 --> 02:37:39.319 the warp phrase. Is where that originated from? 3154 02:37:39.559 --> 02:37:39.920 Here you go? 3155 02:37:40.319 --> 02:37:43.680 Well, thanks pop culture for destroying my brain and thinking 3156 02:37:43.719 --> 02:37:45.319 that was a scientific. 3157 02:37:44.840 --> 02:37:48.840 Turn real quick. The other person who I didn't have 3158 02:37:48.959 --> 02:37:51.440 a chance to interview but who was very nice to me, 3159 02:37:51.719 --> 02:37:55.680 was getting at Tavy Dad. She was married to russ Meyer, right, 3160 02:37:55.799 --> 02:37:59.559 rus Meyer. Yeah, while yeah, it's her that's in the 3161 02:37:59.600 --> 02:38:03.879 T shirt that says Moral Majority. Oh, I shouldn't know 3162 02:38:04.040 --> 02:38:06.799 how I found out about that, and I reached out 3163 02:38:06.840 --> 02:38:09.920 to her because we were friends on Facebook, and she 3164 02:38:10.079 --> 02:38:11.639 was like, oh, yeah, that was me. And then she 3165 02:38:11.840 --> 02:38:15.239 like even sent me a hi res image behind the 3166 02:38:15.319 --> 02:38:18.840 scenes of her in the Moral Majority T shirt with 3167 02:38:19.120 --> 02:38:21.239 somebody sitting next to her. And I'm not sure if 3168 02:38:21.280 --> 02:38:22.920 I was a producer or who that was, but I 3169 02:38:23.000 --> 02:38:25.879 was just like, that's awesome. So if you buy that. 3170 02:38:26.280 --> 02:38:29.760 The book that my Airplane two Pieces in is called 3171 02:38:30.440 --> 02:38:32.319 and I hit this title, get that cat out of 3172 02:38:32.399 --> 02:38:35.280 here and he spelt it oh U t A and 3173 02:38:35.360 --> 02:38:37.000 I'm like, no, it's out. 3174 02:38:37.600 --> 02:38:40.600 I read that book. Read that book back in the day, 3175 02:38:40.760 --> 02:38:43.360 and for this episode, Mike. And by the way, so 3176 02:38:43.520 --> 02:38:46.520 warp was popularized by Star Trek. It was invented like 3177 02:38:46.639 --> 02:38:49.760 a couple of years before. But it's a Star Trek thing, 3178 02:38:49.959 --> 02:38:52.719 like you could talk about John W. Campbell's book, But 3179 02:38:53.000 --> 02:38:54.559 warp is a Star Trek thing. 3180 02:38:54.879 --> 02:38:57.399 Yet Shanner in the movie, they couldn't ask him for permission. 3181 02:38:58.239 --> 02:39:00.559 And then yeah, the only other person that I would 3182 02:39:00.559 --> 02:39:03.399 shout out that I recognized from those deleted scenes was 3183 02:39:03.479 --> 02:39:08.719 John Paragon in the No Girl's Airline sequence where he's 3184 02:39:08.760 --> 02:39:11.440 good and he's like pushing all those people out. So 3185 02:39:11.600 --> 02:39:14.040 another he was a part of the Groundlings, wasn't he? 3186 02:39:14.719 --> 02:39:18.479 I didn't recognize him. Oh he's Johnbie from Peewey's Playhouse. 3187 02:39:19.079 --> 02:39:22.360 Oh okay, yeah interesting, Yeah that makes sense. 3188 02:39:22.440 --> 02:39:27.559 Then he was also, wasn't he also in uhf. 3189 02:39:27.479 --> 02:39:32.680 Ah you hf stage many This is an embarrassment on 3190 02:39:32.799 --> 02:39:33.360 a space? 3191 02:39:33.920 --> 02:39:36.760 What do you saying? Cards Fightcher Senior would be saying, 3192 02:39:37.120 --> 02:39:40.760 if he were alive today, help let me into this box. 3193 02:39:40.840 --> 02:39:41.680 I can't breathe in here. 3194 02:39:41.760 --> 02:39:42.440 Help let me out. 3195 02:39:44.600 --> 02:39:47.559 I liked that scene the discount airline, Like, to me, 3196 02:39:47.680 --> 02:39:51.319 that was a successful gag too, and didn't take up 3197 02:39:51.360 --> 02:39:53.079 too much time, and they could have actually edited it 3198 02:39:53.200 --> 02:39:55.399 down a little bit so we don't have to see 3199 02:39:56.200 --> 02:39:58.319 five people getting jettisoned off. 3200 02:39:58.280 --> 02:40:01.719 One of which is the stewardes who doesn't have a parachute. 3201 02:40:02.079 --> 02:40:04.280 After her getting pushed off, that could be the end 3202 02:40:04.319 --> 02:40:05.760 of the joke, but we still have a few more 3203 02:40:05.799 --> 02:40:06.239 people to go. 3204 02:40:07.360 --> 02:40:10.040 The thing I liked the most was the Texas guy 3205 02:40:10.120 --> 02:40:13.280 who's like, you got anything to read? And she goes 3206 02:40:13.319 --> 02:40:15.840 through all the magazines and says, we have the Talmud, 3207 02:40:16.000 --> 02:40:18.399 the ancient text of Jewish thoughts. Let me try that 3208 02:40:18.600 --> 02:40:22.000 tall mood. And then apparently later on in the script 3209 02:40:22.319 --> 02:40:24.399 they cut back to him and he got the locks 3210 02:40:24.559 --> 02:40:27.719 and the hat and fill in, like he's covered interfillin 3211 02:40:27.799 --> 02:40:31.120 and stuff and he's just has converted completely. I'm like, oh, 3212 02:40:31.360 --> 02:40:32.120 that's so good. 3213 02:40:32.319 --> 02:40:33.440 Yeah, that's a good callback. 3214 02:40:33.719 --> 02:40:36.479 And then that nice appearance too. You mentioned Rip Torn 3215 02:40:36.799 --> 02:40:40.680 actually playing a double role also as President Reagan, and 3216 02:40:40.799 --> 02:40:43.120 I love that he's got those fake black hands and 3217 02:40:43.159 --> 02:40:45.760 it's one more for the NAACP and he's just got 3218 02:40:45.799 --> 02:40:47.959 that stupid look on his face and then he puts 3219 02:40:48.040 --> 02:40:51.760 the fake hands down, like I couldn't touch black people 3220 02:40:51.840 --> 02:40:52.440 in real life. 3221 02:40:52.879 --> 02:40:53.760 No good stuff. 3222 02:40:54.040 --> 02:40:56.440 Yeah, that was very good, a little bit more pointed 3223 02:40:56.479 --> 02:40:58.479 than what we ended up getting in the actual. 3224 02:40:58.239 --> 02:41:00.879 Move, especially since they're trying to cut all of those 3225 02:41:01.399 --> 02:41:04.239 Reagan things out, and that we were talking before we 3226 02:41:04.280 --> 02:41:07.360 serve recording that it was Alexander Agig on that Psycho 3227 02:41:07.680 --> 02:41:10.200 magazine that Sonny Bono's reading. 3228 02:41:10.239 --> 02:41:12.559 And again they have the Nixon metabolic joke as well. 3229 02:41:13.440 --> 02:41:16.200 Yeah, and that was all coming from the Canadian who 3230 02:41:16.319 --> 02:41:18.760 was making fun of us quite a bit. And I 3231 02:41:18.840 --> 02:41:21.239 think ken Finkleman, one of his earliest gags was on 3232 02:41:21.360 --> 02:41:23.399 like a news program, so I think it probably got 3233 02:41:23.440 --> 02:41:24.680 a lot of practice there. 3234 02:41:25.280 --> 02:41:27.399 I think this movie is better than its reputation gives 3235 02:41:27.440 --> 02:41:29.840 it any credit for it. And if you enjoy The 3236 02:41:29.879 --> 02:41:33.120 First Airplane, this movie is definitely worth checking out. And 3237 02:41:33.559 --> 02:41:36.040 maybe when you hear this episode you'll be able to 3238 02:41:36.079 --> 02:41:39.200 go and find a Keno Lrber four K that features 3239 02:41:39.200 --> 02:41:41.799 the things that we've talked about that you have not 3240 02:41:41.959 --> 02:41:45.680 been seen before. That might be unrealistic, but who knows. Hey, 3241 02:41:45.760 --> 02:41:47.600 I enjoyed this movie a lot more than I remember 3242 02:41:48.120 --> 02:41:50.520 enjoying it, and again in comparison to something we recently 3243 02:41:50.559 --> 02:41:54.920 watched like Caddie Scheck too, this movie is wow, height 3244 02:41:55.000 --> 02:41:55.399 and day. 3245 02:41:56.479 --> 02:42:00.959 Yeah, I quite enjoyed it and was wasn't least surprised 3246 02:42:01.000 --> 02:42:03.959 by that I broke it up into pieces because you 3247 02:42:04.159 --> 02:42:09.319 just don't know, and I just basically watched each act. 3248 02:42:09.639 --> 02:42:12.239 I made it to twenty five minutes the first time, 3249 02:42:13.200 --> 02:42:15.840 and like you said, Mike, right when the trial starts, 3250 02:42:15.840 --> 02:42:18.719 it's the twenty five minute mark, and that's basically an 3251 02:42:18.799 --> 02:42:25.120 exact third of the film almost, and was not hesitant 3252 02:42:25.159 --> 02:42:27.239 about moving forward. I did it more for time and 3253 02:42:27.360 --> 02:42:29.920 work schedule, but I was like, ooh, I get to 3254 02:42:30.040 --> 02:42:32.639 watch the next twenty or thirty tomorrow and then I'll 3255 02:42:32.719 --> 02:42:36.000 finish it up the last day and easily could watch 3256 02:42:36.040 --> 02:42:38.399 it in one fell swoop. It's a quick joke, a 3257 02:42:38.479 --> 02:42:43.000 minute more of the same stuff, but the same stuff 3258 02:42:43.079 --> 02:42:43.559 was so good. 3259 02:42:43.799 --> 02:42:46.520 Why not it worked the first time working the second time. 3260 02:42:46.639 --> 02:42:48.719 Well, I'm really glad that you guys liked this. I 3261 02:42:48.840 --> 02:42:51.920 had a horrible feeling that you'd be like, oh, geez, 3262 02:42:52.040 --> 02:42:55.399 it just re tries the first one. It's okay, I'm 3263 02:42:55.399 --> 02:42:58.399 glad that you found something a merit from this one, 3264 02:42:58.440 --> 02:43:00.840 because yeah, this is still a favorite of mine. When 3265 02:43:01.000 --> 02:43:03.879 Ben asked me all those years ago to write about it, 3266 02:43:04.000 --> 02:43:05.959 I was like, Fuck, yeah, let's do it, because I 3267 02:43:06.040 --> 02:43:09.559 remember this movie very fondly, didn't remember it being better 3268 02:43:09.600 --> 02:43:11.360 than the first one. I don't think anybody in the 3269 02:43:11.440 --> 02:43:13.520 right mind would ever say it's better, but I think 3270 02:43:13.559 --> 02:43:15.440 that it actually can hold the candle to it, and 3271 02:43:15.479 --> 02:43:17.479 I think they really managed to capture a lot of 3272 02:43:17.559 --> 02:43:22.680 that zaz magic when so many people can't get anywhere 3273 02:43:22.760 --> 02:43:24.840 near it. I feel like they didn't crack the formula. 3274 02:43:25.000 --> 02:43:27.079 They had something that was really close. It's like the 3275 02:43:27.200 --> 02:43:28.799 mister Pib to their doctor Pepper. 3276 02:43:29.680 --> 02:43:32.520 And honest to God, what fucking comedy needs a sequel 3277 02:43:32.559 --> 02:43:34.840 to begin with? And how many comedy sequels are good? 3278 02:43:35.479 --> 02:43:40.280 Anchorman two not great? Super Troopers to actually somehow good? 3279 02:43:41.239 --> 02:43:43.000 Let's see trying to think of there are any other 3280 02:43:43.079 --> 02:43:46.799 Wilfarell movies that have sequels. Caddy Shack too not great. 3281 02:43:47.520 --> 02:43:49.120 All right, We're going to take another break and play 3282 02:43:49.159 --> 02:43:52.559 a preview for next week's show. Right after these brief messages, he. 3283 02:43:52.799 --> 02:43:56.719 Married the girl of his dreams she's great, She's the best. 3284 02:43:57.000 --> 02:43:59.440 And that's when his Nike nail began. 3285 02:44:00.440 --> 02:44:01.920 How many people you've brutally murdered? 3286 02:44:05.440 --> 02:44:07.079 Love this evil? 3287 02:44:08.399 --> 02:44:18.319 I can't, oh, Mike Myer, So I Married an Axe 3288 02:44:18.399 --> 02:44:21.440 murder premire Friday at eight on Cinemax. 3289 02:44:21.559 --> 02:44:23.920 We'll be back next week with so I'm Married an 3290 02:44:24.079 --> 02:44:26.159 axe Murderer. Until then, I want to thank my co 3291 02:44:26.360 --> 02:44:29.040 host Mark and Chris. So, Chris, what is the latest 3292 02:44:29.079 --> 02:44:29.520 with you, sir? 3293 02:44:30.159 --> 02:44:33.159 It's working on podcasts over the Culture Cast, where I'm 3294 02:44:33.520 --> 02:44:35.719 back in the swing of things finally, which is nice. 3295 02:44:35.879 --> 02:44:37.719 So yeah, if you want to listen to me talk 3296 02:44:37.760 --> 02:44:42.000 about movies that are not specifically one thing at the moment, 3297 02:44:42.159 --> 02:44:44.319 that's where you would go to find that. If not that, 3298 02:44:44.680 --> 02:44:47.479 everything over at weirding Way Media is pretty great and 3299 02:44:47.520 --> 02:44:50.920 worth checking out, including Mark Begley's show Cambridge Ed, Wake 3300 02:44:50.959 --> 02:44:55.159 Up Heavy, or eighties TV Ladies or Twisted and Uncorked, 3301 02:44:55.319 --> 02:44:57.200 or the Projection Booth. What did you show you're listening 3302 02:44:57.239 --> 02:44:58.959 to now? Or the one thing you can't find which 3303 02:44:59.000 --> 02:45:01.719 is over at Patreon, My patreon or Mike's Patreon, which 3304 02:45:01.719 --> 02:45:03.920 is ranking on bond. We're once a month with our 3305 02:45:03.959 --> 02:45:06.959 friend Richard Adam, we talk about James Bond, and we 3306 02:45:07.120 --> 02:45:10.159 are careening towards the end of that podcast. They're going 3307 02:45:10.200 --> 02:45:11.440 to have to start thinking about what we're going to 3308 02:45:11.479 --> 02:45:13.760 do next, because we'll be done sooner rather than later 3309 02:45:13.840 --> 02:45:16.360 because we're coming up on the James Bond. A lot 3310 02:45:16.440 --> 02:45:18.639 of people my age no which are the Timothy Dolton 3311 02:45:18.680 --> 02:45:20.479 and Pierce Bras in the films. So that's where you 3312 02:45:20.479 --> 02:45:22.200 can find the stuff that I work on. What about you, 3313 02:45:22.319 --> 02:45:22.920 Mark Begley. 3314 02:45:23.559 --> 02:45:26.479 You can find my two shows Cambridge and Wishawan and 3315 02:45:26.600 --> 02:45:30.239 Wickup Heavy over on weirdenwaymedia dot com and you can 3316 02:45:30.360 --> 02:45:32.879 listen to Chris and I talk about Midsummer over at 3317 02:45:32.879 --> 02:45:33.600 the Culture Cast. 3318 02:45:34.520 --> 02:45:36.239 Thank you so much guys for being on the show. 3319 02:45:36.319 --> 02:45:38.079 Thanks to everybody for listening. If you want to hear 3320 02:45:38.159 --> 02:45:39.760 more of me shooting off my mouth, check out some 3321 02:45:39.799 --> 02:45:41.200 of the other shows that I work on. Like you 3322 02:45:41.319 --> 02:45:44.120 guys said, they are all available at weirdingwaymedia dot com. 3323 02:45:44.479 --> 02:45:46.959 Thanks especially to our Patreon community. If you want to 3324 02:45:47.040 --> 02:45:49.840 join the community, visit patreon dot com slash Projection Booth. 3325 02:45:50.040 --> 02:45:52.799 Every donation we get helps the Projection Booth take over 3326 02:45:52.840 --> 02:45:53.200 the world. 3327 02:47:00.079 --> 02:47:00.120 A