Speaker 1: It's nice eyes with Dan Ray.
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Speaker 1: Thank you very much, Madison.
Speaker 3: We'll have a great weekend once we get to Saturday morning.
Speaker 3: And if you stay with us, I promise you I
Speaker 3: will get you to the cusp of Saturday morning. My
Speaker 3: name is Dan Ray. Is Madison indicated. We have Andrew
Speaker 3: Rich in the control room tonight. Andrew, not sure how
Speaker 3: you ended up with the assignment. I think rob is
Speaker 3: working tomorrow. I'm suspecting maybe you guys switched or something
Speaker 3: like that.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: We're not gonna We're not not gonna tell the world,
Speaker 3: but welcome Andrew. Always great to talk with you, well,
Speaker 3: not talk well, talk with that.
Speaker 1: I don't see, that's for sure. My name is Dan Ray.
Speaker 3: I'm the host of the show, and we have some
Speaker 3: we have some spring news tonight. Before we get to
Speaker 3: all of our topics in this hour, Laurie from Idaho
Speaker 3: brings us Robins that she has baby Robbin's the Mama
Speaker 3: Robin built the NESK on one of her deck lamps,
Speaker 3: and not to be outdone, got a great video from
Speaker 3: Owne Hamilton up in Alaska, by way of her sister
Speaker 3: Rosemary I think who lives in West Roxbury of a moose,
Speaker 3: I mean a big moose kind of strolling through her backyard.
Speaker 3: Just show you that living in Alaska is a little
Speaker 3: bit different than living in West Roxbury. This was a
Speaker 3: big moose, very gentle, very polite, no problem whatsoever. All right,
Speaker 3: let's get to business. One of my favorite eight PM
Speaker 3: guests I think all of you know, is my friend
Speaker 3: Emily Sweeney of the Boston Globe. She does the Cold
Speaker 3: Case File, which is a great, great service in my opinion. Emily,
Speaker 3: welcome back to Night's side.
Speaker 1: How are you tonight?
Speaker 4: Excellent? Dan, thank you so much for having me. I
Speaker 4: appreciate it.
Speaker 3: How many of these cold cases have you been working on?
Speaker 3: I mean, this is not the first one we've done,
Speaker 3: and we haven't done all of them. How let's first
Speaker 3: of all, have people get an opportunity. How do they
Speaker 3: find the cold Case file on the Globe website?
Speaker 4: Yeah? So, Well, if you do a Google search Cold
Speaker 4: Case Files Boston Globe, the landing page pops up and
Speaker 4: you can see all the past stories there. We also
Speaker 4: have a newsletter you can sign up to receive it,
Speaker 4: and it's Globe dot com slash Cold case files perfect
Speaker 4: and yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: Pretty straightforward. So the one that we're highlighting tonight goes
Speaker 3: back to nineteen seventy three, So we're talking forty Do
Speaker 3: the math for me here, that's got to be twenty
Speaker 3: seven plus twenty four. That's we're talking fifty one fifty
Speaker 3: two years now.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, over fifty years, yeahty years.
Speaker 1: And set the stage.
Speaker 3: This is a nice day in June fifth of nineteen
Speaker 3: seventy three, and a woman who was thirty two at
Speaker 3: the time, Mareen Monahan, took her four year old daughter
Speaker 3: of a couple of errands and as you're right, they
Speaker 3: never returned.
Speaker 1: Set the stage for.
Speaker 3: Us, and tell us what people might be able to
Speaker 3: do to help you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, Dan So, So June fifth, nineteen seventy three,
Speaker 4: it's a Tuesday. Marie moynihan. She's a thirty two year
Speaker 4: old mother of two young kids. She got her kids
Speaker 4: in the car. She dropped off her six year old
Speaker 4: son at his afternoon kindergarten class in West Boylston. So
Speaker 4: this is out in central mass Yeah, yeah, yep, exactly.
Speaker 4: And then she and her four year old daughter, Jennifer,
Speaker 4: went to do some shopping, you know, while he was
Speaker 4: at school. But what it's unknown really what happened from
Speaker 4: there after she dropped you know, their son off. So
Speaker 4: she goes missing and so does Jennifer. They never come
Speaker 4: home and you know, her husband reports them missing. And
Speaker 4: the plan was they you know, she had older husband
Speaker 4: that she was going to go shopping at like this
Speaker 4: apartment store called Mammoth Mott. It was in Worcester, and
Speaker 4: she never It's not clear she ever made it there
Speaker 4: because the next day her car and was found in
Speaker 4: Rutland State Park in a wooded area, and her and
Speaker 4: a four year old daughter had been stabbed to death.
Speaker 4: It's a very horrific, horrific murder.
Speaker 3: Their bodies were found. Okay, one question than I have. Rutland,
Speaker 3: Massachusetts is que you know, Massachusetts not a big state geographically,
Speaker 3: but that's a pretty good distance from from the Worcester area.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah. And and what's strange too, is because the
Speaker 4: direction of where she was going to would have been
Speaker 4: going to to go to the store. This is what
Speaker 4: was like in an opposite direction. And you know, the
Speaker 4: bodies were found by two young guys who were driving
Speaker 4: along a dirt road off of one two A in Rutland.
Speaker 4: And that's where they made them all long How.
Speaker 3: Long after the day that she disappeared were the bodies found?
Speaker 4: This is the next day, Yeah, it is the next day.
Speaker 3: And so of course in those days, even if she
Speaker 3: went to the Mammoth Mart, there probably was no video
Speaker 3: cam which would have showed her walking in the door.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Did most of those stores in those days have video cams?
Speaker 3: I don't recall, to be honest with you, but.
Speaker 1: I'm sure, yeah.
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, it's nothing like it how it
Speaker 4: is today. I mean, you know, that's the thing that
Speaker 4: you know, no smartphones, not as much you know, security
Speaker 4: video camera footage, which is like kind of everywhere today.
Speaker 4: You know, I.
Speaker 3: Assume that the that the police, uh did all the
Speaker 3: things they had to do in terms of dusting for
Speaker 3: frink of prints and looking for you know, the conditions
Speaker 3: of the bodies, whether there was any extraneous DNA.
Speaker 1: There was nothing to go on.
Speaker 3: No blood actually samples that were inconsistent with the mom
Speaker 3: It's not as if the person who did this or
Speaker 3: person's cut themselves. No blood samples, no weather.
Speaker 4: They were able to get some DNA from the scene
Speaker 4: and that was preserved. And this there is like this
Speaker 4: could be a key to solving this. Back in two
Speaker 4: thousand and six, the evidence was sent for DNA testing
Speaker 4: and it's unknown, you know, what kind of results came
Speaker 4: out of that, but you know that I'm not sure
Speaker 4: if it was tested again. But in twenty fifteen, authorities
Speaker 4: exhumed a body from Fairview Cemetery in hyde Pack because
Speaker 4: they were hoping that it was a match to identify
Speaker 4: the killer. This would have been like a relative of
Speaker 4: the killer. It's unclear whether that led anywhere. It probably didn't.
Speaker 4: I called the DA's office and you know, they couldn't comment.
Speaker 4: But obviously that was ten years ago, but there is
Speaker 4: evidence there was DNA that was tested, So that is
Speaker 4: a hope. And you know, and obviously if anybody knows anything,
Speaker 4: I know a lot of time has passed, but you
Speaker 4: never know. It's you know, I was giving a talk
Speaker 4: at the Writing Public Library the other night, and I like,
Speaker 4: you know, I always tell everybody it's so important to
Speaker 4: get the word out about these cases because just from
Speaker 4: the stories I've written, I know that tips have come
Speaker 4: in to authorities as a result of the stories.
Speaker 3: Well, I'll tell you what what I'd love to do
Speaker 3: with you. I'll have you on every other week. I'll
Speaker 3: have you on every week. If this would be helpful
Speaker 3: to you, I would love that.
Speaker 1: You got it. That's a deal.
Speaker 3: I'll tell Marita on Monday that that we're going to
Speaker 3: do that. Okay, we'll work as a as a junior
Speaker 3: partner to you on this and because if we can
Speaker 3: help you solve one of these, it'll be well worth it.
Speaker 3: So let me ask you this what became of her husband,
Speaker 3: Gerald Mornihan, and what became of the six year old son?
Speaker 3: Know what?
Speaker 4: You know this obviously the family is and you know
Speaker 4: I was not able to interview them when I wrote
Speaker 4: the story. But I plan on doing a follow up story, Dan,
Speaker 4: because a source recently gave me some of the case
Speaker 4: files from the investigation. That so I may be doing
Speaker 4: a follow up story and I am going to try
Speaker 4: to reach out to the soun Okay, you know he
Speaker 4: he's willing to talk.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the dad Again, this is over fifty years old.
Speaker 3: Whether or not Gerald one hand is still alive, you
Speaker 3: don't know the fact that they were, you know, pulling
Speaker 3: a DNA and testing it on another corpse. That would
Speaker 3: indicate to me that he never was a suspect in
Speaker 3: the case. And the six year old son, now he's
Speaker 3: got to be in his late fifties. You would think that, yeah, again,
Speaker 3: not being putting yourself in the shoes of these people.
Speaker 3: They I'm sure would love to have it solved that
Speaker 3: she just met with some maniac. And you just think
Speaker 3: that whoever did this, they may have taken this to
Speaker 3: their grave. How do you do that? I mean, you
Speaker 3: would think that on the deathbed, if they were fortunate
Speaker 3: enough to lie and to die in a deathbed, that
Speaker 3: that one of them, trying to get right with the hereafter,
Speaker 3: might say, hey, I just got to clear my mind,
Speaker 3: got to clear my soul.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: This is great, great work, Emily. We'll be back in
Speaker 3: touch with that. I want to do this on a
Speaker 3: regular basis if that works.
Speaker 4: Great sounds great.
Speaker 3: Great work, Emily, And I just want to say thanks
Speaker 3: so much for joining us tonight, and.
Speaker 1: Let's hope that maybe something is listening. You never know, Okay,
Speaker 1: you just never know. Have a great weekend, are you too? Thanks?
Speaker 1: Will we get back.
Speaker 3: We're going to talk with a professor of pediatrics and
Speaker 3: Population health at NYU's Gross Gross Grossman School of Medicine, uh.
Speaker 3: He has done some work linking the use of linking
Speaker 3: the exposure to certain chemicals used to make plastic household
Speaker 3: items that could be linked to heart disease. This one's
Speaker 3: pretty scary, by the way. My name is Dan Ray.
Speaker 1: This is Nights Side. We have a very interesting show
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Speaker 3: has picked the fifty best professional athletes because they didn't
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Speaker 1: All right, little change the plans here.
Speaker 3: Sometimes the guests that we have lined up, they may
Speaker 3: be really smart people.
Speaker 1: But sometimes they don't, you know, they don't. They're not
Speaker 1: where they should be.
Speaker 3: So we'll get back to that question about plastics, household
Speaker 3: plastics and the possibility the linkage.
Speaker 1: To heart disease. And we're gonna talk with Paula Fleming.
Speaker 1: Paula is always there.
Speaker 3: She's the chief marketing and sales officer for the Better
Speaker 3: Business Bureau of Boston, Boston Better Business BUEL, bbb UH
Speaker 3: and Paula we were interested to find out. First of all,
Speaker 3: welcome back and thanks for moving up in the lineup
Speaker 3: for us tonight, Paula, thank you, Thank you.
Speaker 5: Good evening. Dennis, my pleasure.
Speaker 1: Well you're the best. You're the best.
Speaker 3: Between you and Emily Sweeney from the Globe, two of
Speaker 3: my favorite people. So I know I'm in good shape,
Speaker 3: at least for most of most of the eight o'clock hour.
Speaker 5: So that's so kind and in good company. I respect
Speaker 5: her tremendously.
Speaker 3: That's great work. That's great work. Okay, so you're warning folks.
Speaker 3: I think everybody knows that by May seventh, a lot
Speaker 3: of people would like to have their real ID driver's
Speaker 3: licenses so that they don't have to go through the
Speaker 3: inconvenience of carrying the passport with them if they want
Speaker 3: to fly on a plane here in America, or if
Speaker 3: they want to go into a federal building. What is
Speaker 3: the scam and how's this? What should people be watching
Speaker 3: out for sure?
Speaker 5: So there's a critical point to remember. Getting your real
Speaker 5: idea is an in person process at your local department
Speaker 5: and motor vehicles. So while some states might let you
Speaker 5: start the paperwork online, like Massachusetts, the final step requires
Speaker 5: a visit in person. And this is where our first
Speaker 5: tip comes in. You want to be extremely wary of
Speaker 5: any website claiming to offer real IDs without any in
Speaker 5: person DM visit. They are certainly a fake website and
Speaker 5: it is a scam. So do not enter any of
Speaker 5: your personal information on sites and please report them immediately
Speaker 5: to us at the bub Scam Track or so we
Speaker 5: can alert others.
Speaker 1: These scammers are just persistent.
Speaker 3: They don't give up. I mean, if they applied to
Speaker 3: a legitimate job or a legitimate profession all of the
Speaker 3: effort that they apply to scamming people, that'd be huge successes.
Speaker 3: We have any idea where these are coming out of,
Speaker 3: these homegrown scammers or were we back talking about some
Speaker 3: of the Eastern European type scammers.
Speaker 5: No, I do not know where they are coming out of,
Speaker 5: to be honest with you, and thankfully, locally, we have
Speaker 5: yet to have a report of this scam and I
Speaker 5: want to keep it that way. That's why I'm so
Speaker 5: appreciative of the time you give me on air to
Speaker 5: educate people on what not to do so they can
Speaker 5: keep their personal and financial information safe. It's so easy
Speaker 5: to want to take, you know, the quick alternative, but
Speaker 5: it is a scam and we want people to understand.
Speaker 5: While I am on board with the stress, I too
Speaker 5: need a real I d and wait it till the
Speaker 5: last minute, and unfortunately I keep clicking the triple A
Speaker 5: refresh button waiting for an appointment. But I'm going to
Speaker 5: have to walk in like everyone else to the DMV.
Speaker 3: Well, No, here's the deal, Okay, I can help you
Speaker 3: out on this, Okay, in all ways, y the real
Speaker 3: ID you're supposed to have it by March seventh, however,
Speaker 3: you can get it May May, May, May mate, you
Speaker 3: can get it on eighth, May ninth, May ten, Yeah,
Speaker 3: July third. All the pressure everybody's feeling, the pressure to
Speaker 3: meet the deadline.
Speaker 1: But the deadline's going to come and go.
Speaker 3: So if you're not getting on an airplane for the
Speaker 3: next couple of weeks, I'm telling you the amount of
Speaker 3: applications at the R and V on let's.
Speaker 1: See next the seventh. Today is the second. So the
Speaker 1: seventh is Wednesday.
Speaker 3: After Wednesday, I bet you that the R and B
Speaker 3: they'll be sitting there drumming their fingers on their tables, saying,
Speaker 3: where is everybody?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like that's the case.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I believe. So I've talked to people there actually,
Speaker 3: And unless and the worst case scenario, let's assume you
Speaker 3: had to fly on I don't know May seventh, you
Speaker 3: bring your passport with you, or if you have to
Speaker 3: make a federal building downtown, bring your passport with you.
Speaker 3: Make sure you keep it safe and sound somewhere on
Speaker 3: you where you don't lose it.
Speaker 1: That's the problem.
Speaker 3: But yeah, this loosen up the process is of pain
Speaker 3: because as you know, and again I'm not I'm just
Speaker 3: trying to help you out here. Make sure that you
Speaker 3: look at that website and you pulled together all the
Speaker 3: documents you needed and then some because one of the
Speaker 3: when I went four or five years ago, remember this
Speaker 3: was supposed to go to effect in October twenty uh
Speaker 3: and now the rush is on. I was supposed to
Speaker 3: bring I don't know, like three different bills that showed
Speaker 3: that I lived at the address would show to my
Speaker 3: driver's license. You would think that that would have been enough. No,
Speaker 3: I had to find an electric bill. I had to
Speaker 3: find some sort of a gas bill or whatever to
Speaker 3: prove that I had paid it was. They were looking
Speaker 3: for a lot more. In my opinion, it was necessary.
Speaker 3: But hey, if it keeps if it keeps us safe,
Speaker 3: that's great. I'm delighted that you guys are on the
Speaker 3: lookout for these scams. They just keep popping up, That's
Speaker 3: what's going on. They just keep popping up, and you
Speaker 3: guys do at the Boston.
Speaker 2: Thank You Bureau.
Speaker 1: How can find thank you?
Speaker 3: Yes, how can folks get more information on scams generally
Speaker 3: at the BBB.
Speaker 1: What what's the website?
Speaker 5: Sure, it is BBB dot org. And to be more specific,
Speaker 5: if you want to check out scams that are transpiring
Speaker 5: either locally in your community or across the United States,
Speaker 5: we have something called the BBB scam Tracker and that
Speaker 5: is BBB dot org forward Slash Scam Tracker.
Speaker 3: Let's say it's such important work, and it is. It
Speaker 3: really it drives me crazy. These guys, these folks, these
Speaker 3: bad guys, and I use that to generic guys. They're
Speaker 3: coming at us in every direction. They're trying to hit
Speaker 3: us on our phones, hit us on our cell phones.
Speaker 3: I mean, the only thing that and maybe there's sometimes
Speaker 3: they do it ringing your do a bell. You just
Speaker 3: have to assume everybody.
Speaker 1: Just like when you're driving, you have to.
Speaker 3: Assume every everyone else on the road is going to
Speaker 3: do something really dumb. Stop their car, turn around or whatever.
Speaker 1: You have to do the.
Speaker 3: Same thing with when you're out and about. It's it's
Speaker 3: getting to the point where you want to assume everybody's
Speaker 3: a scammer. Tough way to live your life, but I
Speaker 3: think it's almost necessary.
Speaker 5: I agree with you, and we want your listeners to remember,
Speaker 5: legitimate government agencies will never contact you unsolicited in asking
Speaker 5: for payment or send sort of information. So hang up
Speaker 5: or delete that text and go in person for that
Speaker 5: real ID. As you mentioned that it will still be
Speaker 5: available if you're not traveling after May seventh.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well again, even if you are traveling after May seventh,
Speaker 3: if you have a passport, you're you're okay, and that
Speaker 3: will that a lot of people have their passport, So
Speaker 3: just for money, do Yeah, you've been warned, you've been warned,
Speaker 3: no scans, and get it whenever you can.
Speaker 1: Paula, as always, thanks so much.
Speaker 5: Thank you, thank you, Dan, have a great evening.
Speaker 3: You too, and have a good weekend, first weekend of May.
Speaker 3: One of my favorites. Thanks again. All right, well they're
Speaker 3: going to take a break. I have no idea who's
Speaker 3: coming up in the lineup next, but we'll figure that out.
Speaker 3: And Andrew is is back there working hard, and I
Speaker 3: think that he is finally located. Doctor Leonardo I think
Speaker 3: it's pronounced Trisande, uh, doctor Leonardo Tressande. Will get to
Speaker 3: him right after the break, and then later on at
Speaker 3: eight forty five, we will talk about Trump tariffs. The
Speaker 3: impact seems to have diminished stock market had a big
Speaker 3: day to day. We'll be back on nightside right after
Speaker 3: the news at the bottom of the hour.
Speaker 2: You're on night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's
Speaker 2: news radio.
Speaker 3: Well, we have made connections with doctor Leonardo Tresande, Doctor Trasande.
Speaker 1: Welcome. How are you tonight, sir?
Speaker 2: Doing great? Thanks for having me.
Speaker 3: You're welcome. You gave us a scare there. We couldn't
Speaker 3: find you for a couple of minutes. You're a professor
Speaker 3: of pediatrics and population health at NYU New York Universities,
Speaker 3: one of the great universities in this country, at the
Speaker 3: Grossman School of Medicine. And I guess we're going to
Speaker 3: talk about some new study or new analysis of a
Speaker 3: population study that shows daily exposure to certain chemicals used
Speaker 3: to make plastic household items can be linked to heart disease.
Speaker 3: I've heard about linkage to cancers. Now we're talking about
Speaker 3: heart disease. What's going on?
Speaker 2: Well, you know, when we think of heart disease, we're
Speaker 2: usually thinking of diet, physical activity, things like smoking. But
Speaker 2: there's a new risk factor on the radar, and that's plastics.
Speaker 2: Plastics are really not the future to borrow a phrase
Speaker 2: from The Graduates. Some of your listeners might remember that movie,
Speaker 2: but yep, indeed. So what we know about plastics is
Speaker 2: that they can leach chemicals that can hack our normal
Speaker 2: signaling molecules or hormones that underlie basic biological functions like temperature, metabolism, salt, sugar,
Speaker 2: and even sex. And they've been associated with obesity and diabetes,
Speaker 2: which are major risk factors for heart disease. They can
Speaker 2: also contribute to inflammation in our coroner arteries. Not a
Speaker 2: good thing. If you've got some plaque there, you get
Speaker 2: some clot in the arteries and that can contribute to
Speaker 2: heart attack and strokes and what have you. Palates also
Speaker 2: exist with another hot topic these days, microplastics and nanoplastics,
Speaker 2: little particles that can be wrecking balls in tissues. And
Speaker 2: what we know is that thalates are added in particular
Speaker 2: to polyvinyl chloridplastic. This is the shrinky, flexible food wrap.
Speaker 2: Valtes make the plastic softer and so it gives it
Speaker 2: a lot of utility in food packaging and particular, but
Speaker 2: also personal cure products and cosmetics. Now, it turns out
Speaker 2: there have been a couple of studies that have looked
Speaker 2: at heart disease risk and unfortunately found some pretty frightening things.
Speaker 2: Dalates in a large sample of Americans were found to
Speaker 2: be increasing caurdiovascular mortality directly by linkage to National Death
Speaker 2: Index DATUM and more recently, polyvinyl chlorioplastic those classics that
Speaker 2: get halate status to them in the carotid arteries we're associated.
Speaker 2: That's the artery that feeds the neck, that feeds the brain.
Speaker 2: It's in the neck, it feeds the brain oxygen and
Speaker 2: what have you. And that was associated with a fourfold
Speaker 2: increase in heart attack, stroke, and even death. So that
Speaker 2: is pretty good evidence. Obviously, more researchers always needed. The
Speaker 2: researchers are always going to say that, but you've got
Speaker 2: a compelling case for action. We had already shown the
Speaker 2: fifty thousand Americans die each year from early heart disease
Speaker 2: due to thalates and ultimately plastic But what we did
Speaker 2: most recently was take a global perspective. We took a
Speaker 2: map of global exposure to thalates and said, wow, okay,
Speaker 2: let's see what we can find in terms of early
Speaker 2: part of basking immortality. And we found that three hundred
Speaker 2: and sixty five thousand people in twenty eighteen died as
Speaker 2: a result of thalates and ultimately plastic exposures, because roughly
Speaker 2: ninety eight percent of all palates are used in plastic
Speaker 2: materials ultimately.
Speaker 3: So the word, the word that you that you're using
Speaker 3: here is p h T H A L A t
Speaker 3: E s phllates.
Speaker 2: I guess is the word it's a mouthful.
Speaker 1: No, that's fine. So here's my question.
Speaker 3: A lot of us have in our kitchen for cooking,
Speaker 3: you know, plastic items to you know, stir the pasta
Speaker 3: or whatever. I'm from what I'm hearing from you, I
Speaker 3: need to walk downstairs and throw those out right now?
Speaker 1: What do I replace them with?
Speaker 3: Have to replace them with metal spoons and and and
Speaker 3: metal metal items that that are safer.
Speaker 1: With wooden spoons.
Speaker 3: It seems like no matter what you do, doctor, there's
Speaker 3: some inherent danger unless you're gonna uh, I'm being silly.
Speaker 3: Now take your own hand and stir the pasta as
Speaker 3: it's boiling. Which of what no one's going to do?
Speaker 3: What would what would you use for you know, typical
Speaker 3: kitchen utensils to to if not eliminate this problem, diminish it.
Speaker 2: So we were just getting through dinner here in New York City.
Speaker 2: It's a family and we actually as a matter of fact,
Speaker 2: have glass and stainless deal and would as our main
Speaker 2: tools in dealing with food. Now, this isn't something to
Speaker 2: get guilty about the past. They're safe and simple steps
Speaker 2: we can all take. They'd overquire a PhD. In chemistry
Speaker 2: or have to break the bank. And there's a lot
Speaker 2: you can do going forward, and you see short, medium
Speaker 2: and long term benefits. Short term, you can see changes
Speaker 2: in chemical levels. You can see hormone changes in weeks,
Speaker 2: and then in months and years you have reductions and
Speaker 2: not just heart disease profile. These chemicals have been linked,
Speaker 2: as you said, to certain cancers, particularly endocrine cancers like
Speaker 2: thyroid gland. They've also been associated, as I manage, with
Speaker 2: obesity and diabetes. They've been associated with effects and kids
Speaker 2: like problems in brain development, and so there's a lot
Speaker 2: of benefits that can be a team. It's even been
Speaker 2: associated with the potential progression of cancers, even if you've
Speaker 2: already had cancer. So what we're talking about here is
Speaker 2: something you can do now, and that's renegotiating. Renegotiating, sorry,
Speaker 2: your relationship with plastic period. You know, if I get
Speaker 2: out a flight, I have a steamless steel water bottle.
Speaker 2: I don't grab a plastic water bottle. It's empty before security,
Speaker 2: get on the plane with it filled. And that might
Speaker 2: not get me to Tokyo, but it'll get me to
Speaker 2: Chicago or LA from New York or Boston. So you
Speaker 2: know that's a And if you're in a workplace, you
Speaker 2: know you see a lot of these plastic water bottles
Speaker 2: lying around that you get And I think the thing
Speaker 2: that people aren't realizing is sometimes that water is simply
Speaker 2: tap water from some municipal water supply. And if your
Speaker 2: municipal water supplies perfectly good, there's no reason to tote
Speaker 2: around a plastic water bowl. It's really no difference. What
Speaker 2: you're buying really is not the water, you're buying the plastic. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and that's terribly important to keep in mind. If there's
Speaker 2: one thing I can tell your listeners to focus on
Speaker 2: is not machine dishwashing or microwaving plastic. That's just inviting
Speaker 2: chemicals and microplastics and handle plastics into food and into
Speaker 2: your body.
Speaker 3: So do not machine wash anything that's plastic, is which
Speaker 3: I'm hearing you.
Speaker 2: Say last I checked hand washing works if you really
Speaker 2: need it. I mean, you know, in an ideal world
Speaker 2: you have less plastic.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, by the way, I happen to be.
Speaker 3: I happen to be in my family the big hand washer.
Speaker 3: My wife loves to put wineglasses in the dishwasher and
Speaker 3: that they don't get washed, and they have dirty washed anyway.
Speaker 1: So here's my question.
Speaker 3: And again I'm mister practicality here, So you're the expert.
Speaker 1: You don't have.
Speaker 3: If you have plastics that you want to eliminate, you're
Speaker 3: telling me eliminate and replace them with either stainless steel,
Speaker 3: glass or wood, you know, the for the you know,
Speaker 3: kitchen utensils. You don't have to go to the high
Speaker 3: end stores and buy that. I assume you can go
Speaker 3: to your local grocery store. And as long as you
Speaker 3: stay away from plastics, by wood, stainless steel and glass,
Speaker 3: if you have to, you know, change it around and
Speaker 3: get something to stir the pasta or whatever.
Speaker 1: I think that's what.
Speaker 2: I'm hearing exactly. And just speaking of cooking, those nonstick
Speaker 2: cooking pans for different reasons, not sales, but nonstick chemicals
Speaker 2: or pithos forever chemicals. They were in this movie called
Speaker 2: Dark Waters that Mark Ruffalo did Figgers back. Those chemical
Speaker 2: are a concern, and you know, sometimes you can get
Speaker 2: cast iron, a stainless steel even cheaper. Unless I checked,
Speaker 2: a little olive oil can go a good way for
Speaker 2: your health.
Speaker 1: And that and that also stops the sticking.
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 3: Oh man, I'll tell you doctor, this was This was
Speaker 3: really great. It opens my eyes. I thank you immensely.
Speaker 3: We have a lot of doctors on on different issues,
Speaker 3: but this is one that really has practical value. Doctor
Speaker 3: Leonardo Tresonde of the New York University Grossman School of Medicine.
Speaker 3: I'd love to keep in touch with you on this
Speaker 3: and other issues. You're you're a great doctor, but I
Speaker 3: also think you're a great communicator.
Speaker 1: And take it from guys's done this for a long time.
Speaker 1: You you really made this.
Speaker 3: You answered all the questions directly, and I think you
Speaker 3: helped out a lot of people tonight. I thank you
Speaker 3: for doing that.
Speaker 2: Happy you come back anytime, all.
Speaker 3: Right, Thanks very much, have a great weekend. Enjoy the
Speaker 3: weather in New York City this weekend. I hope it's
Speaker 3: as good as it may be in Boston.
Speaker 2: Thanks again, you too. Thank you.
Speaker 3: We have one more left, and we're going to talk
Speaker 3: with the senior political reporter from Vox, Nicole Narrea or Noray,
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I hope it's no Ray as it's spelled ori Ea.
Speaker 3: We'll get to all of that, and we're going to
Speaker 3: talk about the rising of what's rising due to Trump's tariffs.
Speaker 3: I'll tell you one thing that's not rising is oil prices,
Speaker 3: and that's going to help.
Speaker 1: We'll talk about it. On the other side.
Speaker 2: It's Night Side with Dan Ray on w Boston's news radio.
Speaker 3: Well, today is May second, and it was about a
Speaker 3: month ago on April second, that President Donald Trump declared
Speaker 3: Liberation Day.
Speaker 1: And when he declared Liberation.
Speaker 3: Day, he talked about tariffs and the market. The stock
Speaker 3: market had a turbulent month in May. We're now twenty
Speaker 3: thirty days after April second and joining us Nicole Narrea.
Speaker 3: She's a senior political reporter for Vox. Nicole, We're going
Speaker 3: to talk about Donald Trump's tarras they seem to be
Speaker 3: in full swing. We want to see what's going on.
Speaker 3: And I just want to set the stage by noting
Speaker 3: that today the stock market had a great day across
Speaker 3: the board s and P was up, Dow was up,
Speaker 3: Nasdaq was up all pretty close to one and a
Speaker 3: half percent, and that was I think we're back pretty
Speaker 3: close to where we were pre April. Second, what's going
Speaker 3: on in terms of just stock prices. Let's start there,
Speaker 3: and we can also throw in oil prices. Oil is
Speaker 3: now down around sixty dollars a barrel, which is good
Speaker 3: and only argues well for gas prices, and of course
Speaker 3: everything that gets shipped is impacted by the price of transportation.
Speaker 1: Good evening. I know I've thrown a lot at you,
Speaker 1: but take your pick.
Speaker 5: Go right ahead, let's get into it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, let's dive right in.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I think on the stock market, it's it's interesting because
Speaker 6: I think I've been talking to people who are supply
Speaker 6: chain experts, and a lot of them think, and talking
Speaker 6: to retailers and businesses that these terriffs aren't going to last,
Speaker 6: and that Trump's hand will be forced here once consumers
Speaker 6: really start feeling the pinch of higher prices resulting from this,
Speaker 6: and those higher prices are likely coming. So, you know,
Speaker 6: I think I think one thing once over lining here,
Speaker 6: there's been a lot of scary headlines out there, but
Speaker 6: a lot of big box retailers in particular have been
Speaker 6: stockpiling inventory for months. That's in part due to the pandemic,
Speaker 6: you know, just naturally they started stockpiling more inventory, but
Speaker 6: especially in preparation for the tariffs, they just have more
Speaker 6: stock on hand. So I think they can last a
Speaker 6: few months before we might see drastic price increases across
Speaker 6: the board here. But but price increases are happening. But
Speaker 6: at the same time, you know, I think in terms
Speaker 6: of the stock market reaction, there is definitely a hope
Speaker 6: that Trump's going to roll some of us back in
Speaker 6: the next few months, especially before the holiday season, because
Speaker 6: he doesn't want to be looking like a green should
Speaker 6: and having a war on Christmas.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he made kind of an oddball comment yesterday where
Speaker 3: maybe kids don't need thirty dollars they have two dolls
Speaker 3: or something like that. It's just when he when he's
Speaker 3: off script, it can be it can send a little
Speaker 3: joke to the market. But he's he's kind of rolling
Speaker 3: back a little bit of the tariffs on audible meiles
Speaker 3: and on auto parts.
Speaker 1: We talked about that yesterday, So he is, he would
Speaker 1: say he's fine tuning his critics. We say he's backpath.
Speaker 3: Either way, it's going to make it a little better
Speaker 3: in the short term.
Speaker 1: At least that's from my perspective. Am I right or
Speaker 1: wrong on that in your opinion?
Speaker 6: No, I think that's definitely right. I mean, I think
Speaker 6: he is setting out with the objective of making deals
Speaker 6: with other countries and eventually, you know, lowering the temperature here.
Speaker 6: His officials have said the current tariffs on China one
Speaker 6: hundred forty five percent are not sustainable, so they recognize
Speaker 6: that they want to, you know, negotiate with China. I
Speaker 6: think at the moment, China's being a bit cagy about
Speaker 6: coming to the negotiating table and exactly what they want
Speaker 6: to see. But I think it's moving in the right
Speaker 6: direction there. But you know, how quickly can these deals
Speaker 6: get get done before Americans are really feeling the impact
Speaker 6: of this on prices, because there have been a lot
Speaker 6: of executives that are warning, you know, in a few
Speaker 6: months weeks, we're going to start seeing empty shelves and
Speaker 6: have no choice but to increase prices. And remember, you know,
Speaker 6: it's not just big businesses here, but small to medium
Speaker 6: sized businesses or places that are launching new products can't
Speaker 6: necessarily afford to absorb the extra cost associated with this
Speaker 6: and keeping more inventory on hand, So I think that's
Speaker 6: a little discouraging. I also did want to come back
Speaker 6: to your comment about gas prices, because you know, I
Speaker 6: think it is a bit of a double edged sword. Yes,
Speaker 6: we all like to pay less when we're at the pump,
Speaker 6: but I think generally speaking, when there are tough financial
Speaker 6: times ahead, gas prices have come down because it's sort
Speaker 6: of a marker of economic activity, So people are buying
Speaker 6: less gas. Oil prices are coming down because there's just
Speaker 6: less economic activity happening, and we are starting to see
Speaker 6: that now in terms of the ships arriving from China,
Speaker 6: the cargo ships. The volume is starting to go down
Speaker 6: in the next few weeks. So that's not entirely encouraging sign,
Speaker 6: even though I know we do like to see.
Speaker 3: For those of us recently who saw gas prices even
Speaker 3: here in New England very close and sometimes over four
Speaker 3: dollars a gallon, I can find prices now easily two
Speaker 3: seventy a gallon. And I'm always looking at oil prices
Speaker 3: because I've in my lifetime, in my recent lifetime, oil
Speaker 3: has been as high as one hundred and fifty dollars
Speaker 3: a barrow. There's an impact on what's going on in
Speaker 3: the Middle East. There's an impact as to what's going
Speaker 3: on with these conversations with Iran. There's an impact that's
Speaker 3: going on as to if the hoodie stop firing, and
Speaker 3: ships that are that are moving through or through the
Speaker 3: Middle East.
Speaker 1: There's all sorts of factors here, and I don't know.
Speaker 3: I guess when the experts are telling me that and
Speaker 3: are telling you that, oh, a few months from now,
Speaker 3: we're really going to feel it.
Speaker 1: The problem with with some of.
Speaker 3: Those experts, and I'm gonna I'm gonna ask you a
Speaker 3: tough question here, is that what they believe or that's
Speaker 3: what they hope. In other words, I didn't hear a
Speaker 3: lot of the drastic predictions when Joe Biden was president.
Speaker 3: And I think a lot of people feel that there's
Speaker 3: some in our media that are rooting against Trump. I'm
Speaker 3: not a Trump guy, but I want Trump to succeed.
Speaker 3: I wasn't necessarily a Biden guy, but I want Biden
Speaker 3: to succeed. And you just hope that the predictions that
Speaker 3: are coming forward from the experts are not influenced by
Speaker 3: their own political taste.
Speaker 6: Look, I mean, yeah, I know, I totally understand, and
Speaker 6: I mean, you know, uh, I have a four O
Speaker 6: one K as much as anyone else, So I am
Speaker 6: certainly hoping for the best of the US economy here.
Speaker 6: I think, yeah, yeah, there's just been some sort of
Speaker 6: worrying signs in the markets recently that sort of suggest
Speaker 6: that these tariffs are not going to be good for
Speaker 6: the US long term. So you know, I don't want
Speaker 6: to get too wonky on you, but like in terms
Speaker 6: of the bond markets, uh, treasuries spiking, that's and the
Speaker 6: weakening US dollar, that's how it sort of says a
Speaker 6: lot about international business confidence in where the US economy
Speaker 6: is heading. And I don't think that's good for anyone,
Speaker 6: especially given how many Americans have their four one ks
Speaker 6: tied up in many major American companies.
Speaker 3: So I think that I was going to Nicole that
Speaker 3: if there's one talk show host likes to get wonky,
Speaker 3: I like to get wonky on this stuff because I've
Speaker 3: studied it a long time. Let me ask you this.
Speaker 3: When the market plunged on that first week in April
Speaker 3: and the market was down substantially, I mean five six, seven, percent.
Speaker 3: I was thinking at the time this thing might not
Speaker 3: recover till July for it to have recovered this quickly,
Speaker 3: and that was influenced by what a lot of the
Speaker 3: analysts were saying. Did you how surprised to you that
Speaker 3: the market has come back and rebounded as well as
Speaker 3: it has in this period of just thirty days. It
Speaker 3: stuns me, to be really honest with you.
Speaker 6: Yeah, no, I definitely find it surprising. I do think
Speaker 6: that we've been getting signals from the administration that Trump
Speaker 6: is still responsive to the stock market, because I think
Speaker 6: that was at that point a big question was you know,
Speaker 6: he always was talking about the stock market during the
Speaker 6: first term and really was touting as an accomplishment of
Speaker 6: his And I think there was a question when the
Speaker 6: terrorists were first released. You know, is he still responsive
Speaker 6: to this market forces? And you know, there are a
Speaker 6: lot of people on Wall Street that were betting on
Speaker 6: a Trump put But it does seem that he still
Speaker 6: cares about that, and you know, I think the question
Speaker 6: is how is he going to negotiate these deals but also,
Speaker 6: you know, maintain confidence in the US as a place
Speaker 6: to do business going forward, because I think that's something
Speaker 6: that is not totally resolved here in the long term,
Speaker 6: because he's sort of demonstrated with the tariffs that you
Speaker 6: know laterally he can massively reshape the economic environment in
Speaker 6: the US and and that's a hard place to be
Speaker 6: doing business in if you can't go forward with confidence
Speaker 6: in the future. So I think that's something that I'm
Speaker 6: watching is like to what extent businesses are feeling like
Speaker 6: they can invest here long term And I'm not thinking enough.
Speaker 1: I'm going to look forward to having you back.
Speaker 3: We're getting close to our time here, so I'm going
Speaker 3: to look forward to have it back sometime maybe in
Speaker 3: August or September, and see how empty or full of
Speaker 3: those shelves are. I mean, that's I just I'm going
Speaker 3: to hold people to what and these aren't your predictions.
Speaker 3: These are the predictions of the so called experts. We'll see,
Speaker 3: We'll see how how they work out on this. It
Speaker 3: was interesting to see that real mineral deal apparently now
Speaker 3: with Ukraine thankfully seems to be in place for a
Speaker 3: whole bunch of reasons. Nicole appreciate it very much. Thank
Speaker 3: you so much for joining US, Nicole, Norea. You the
Speaker 3: last three letters of your your name are the last
Speaker 3: three letters of my name, it's minus, simply ri A.
Speaker 3: Yours is Na Ri, a senior political reporter for Vox.
Speaker 3: Thanks Nicole, I appreciate.
Speaker 1: It very much.
Speaker 6: Thanks for having me on. Appreciate it.
Speaker 3: Talk to you soon. Here comes the nine o'clock News.
Speaker 3: Right after the nine o'clock News, we're going to talk
Speaker 3: about the Bill Belichick, Jordan Hudson's story, and I think
Speaker 3: we're going to have some interesting takes