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<v Speaker 1>It's nice eyes with Dan Ray.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm telling you crazy Boston's News Radio.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you very much, Madison.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll have a great weekend once we get to Saturday morning.

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<v Speaker 3>And if you stay with us, I promise you I

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<v Speaker 3>will get you to the cusp of Saturday morning. My

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<v Speaker 3>name is Dan Ray. Is Madison indicated. We have Andrew

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<v Speaker 3>Rich in the control room tonight. Andrew, not sure how

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<v Speaker 3>you ended up with the assignment. I think rob is

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<v Speaker 3>working tomorrow. I'm suspecting maybe you guys switched or something

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<v Speaker 3>like that.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>We're not gonna We're not not gonna tell the world,

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<v Speaker 3>but welcome Andrew. Always great to talk with you, well,

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<v Speaker 3>not talk well, talk with that.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't see, that's for sure. My name is Dan Ray.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm the host of the show, and we have some

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<v Speaker 3>we have some spring news tonight. Before we get to

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<v Speaker 3>all of our topics in this hour, Laurie from Idaho

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<v Speaker 3>brings us Robins that she has baby Robbin's the Mama

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<v Speaker 3>Robin built the NESK on one of her deck lamps,

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<v Speaker 3>and not to be outdone, got a great video from

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<v Speaker 3>Owne Hamilton up in Alaska, by way of her sister

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<v Speaker 3>Rosemary I think who lives in West Roxbury of a moose,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean a big moose kind of strolling through her backyard.

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<v Speaker 3>Just show you that living in Alaska is a little

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<v Speaker 3>bit different than living in West Roxbury. This was a

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<v Speaker 3>big moose, very gentle, very polite, no problem whatsoever. All right,

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<v Speaker 3>let's get to business. One of my favorite eight PM

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<v Speaker 3>guests I think all of you know, is my friend

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<v Speaker 3>Emily Sweeney of the Boston Globe. She does the Cold

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<v Speaker 3>Case File, which is a great, great service in my opinion. Emily,

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<v Speaker 3>welcome back to Night's side.

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<v Speaker 1>How are you tonight?

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<v Speaker 4>Excellent? Dan, thank you so much for having me. I

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<v Speaker 4>appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 3>How many of these cold cases have you been working on?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, this is not the first one we've done,

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<v Speaker 3>and we haven't done all of them. How let's first

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<v Speaker 3>of all, have people get an opportunity. How do they

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<v Speaker 3>find the cold Case file on the Globe website?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah? So, Well, if you do a Google search Cold

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<v Speaker 4>Case Files Boston Globe, the landing page pops up and

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<v Speaker 4>you can see all the past stories there. We also

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<v Speaker 4>have a newsletter you can sign up to receive it,

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<v Speaker 4>and it's Globe dot com slash Cold case files perfect

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<v Speaker 4>and yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Pretty straightforward. So the one that we're highlighting tonight goes

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<v Speaker 3>back to nineteen seventy three, So we're talking forty Do

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<v Speaker 3>the math for me here, that's got to be twenty

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<v Speaker 3>seven plus twenty four. That's we're talking fifty one fifty

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<v Speaker 3>two years now.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, over fifty years, yeahty years.

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<v Speaker 1>And set the stage.

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<v Speaker 3>This is a nice day in June fifth of nineteen

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<v Speaker 3>seventy three, and a woman who was thirty two at

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<v Speaker 3>the time, Mareen Monahan, took her four year old daughter

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<v Speaker 3>of a couple of errands and as you're right, they

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<v Speaker 3>never returned.

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<v Speaker 1>Set the stage for.

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<v Speaker 3>Us, and tell us what people might be able to

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<v Speaker 3>do to help you.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, Dan So, So June fifth, nineteen seventy three,

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<v Speaker 4>it's a Tuesday. Marie moynihan. She's a thirty two year

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<v Speaker 4>old mother of two young kids. She got her kids

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<v Speaker 4>in the car. She dropped off her six year old

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<v Speaker 4>son at his afternoon kindergarten class in West Boylston. So

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<v Speaker 4>this is out in central mass Yeah, yeah, yep, exactly.

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<v Speaker 4>And then she and her four year old daughter, Jennifer,

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<v Speaker 4>went to do some shopping, you know, while he was

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<v Speaker 4>at school. But what it's unknown really what happened from

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<v Speaker 4>there after she dropped you know, their son off. So

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<v Speaker 4>she goes missing and so does Jennifer. They never come

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<v Speaker 4>home and you know, her husband reports them missing. And

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<v Speaker 4>the plan was they you know, she had older husband

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<v Speaker 4>that she was going to go shopping at like this

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<v Speaker 4>apartment store called Mammoth Mott. It was in Worcester, and

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<v Speaker 4>she never It's not clear she ever made it there

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<v Speaker 4>because the next day her car and was found in

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<v Speaker 4>Rutland State Park in a wooded area, and her and

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<v Speaker 4>a four year old daughter had been stabbed to death.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a very horrific, horrific murder.

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<v Speaker 3>Their bodies were found. Okay, one question than I have. Rutland,

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<v Speaker 3>Massachusetts is que you know, Massachusetts not a big state geographically,

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<v Speaker 3>but that's a pretty good distance from from the Worcester area.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah. Yeah. And and what's strange too, is because the

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<v Speaker 4>direction of where she was going to would have been

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<v Speaker 4>going to to go to the store. This is what

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<v Speaker 4>was like in an opposite direction. And you know, the

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<v Speaker 4>bodies were found by two young guys who were driving

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<v Speaker 4>along a dirt road off of one two A in Rutland.

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<v Speaker 4>And that's where they made them all long How.

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<v Speaker 3>Long after the day that she disappeared were the bodies found?

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<v Speaker 4>This is the next day, Yeah, it is the next day.

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<v Speaker 3>And so of course in those days, even if she

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<v Speaker 3>went to the Mammoth Mart, there probably was no video

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<v Speaker 3>cam which would have showed her walking in the door.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>Did most of those stores in those days have video cams?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't recall, to be honest with you, but.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure, yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, you know, it's nothing like it how it

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<v Speaker 4>is today. I mean, you know, that's the thing that

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<v Speaker 4>you know, no smartphones, not as much you know, security

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<v Speaker 4>video camera footage, which is like kind of everywhere today.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, I.

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<v Speaker 3>Assume that the that the police, uh did all the

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<v Speaker 3>things they had to do in terms of dusting for

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<v Speaker 3>frink of prints and looking for you know, the conditions

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<v Speaker 3>of the bodies, whether there was any extraneous DNA.

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<v Speaker 1>There was nothing to go on.

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<v Speaker 3>No blood actually samples that were inconsistent with the mom

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<v Speaker 3>It's not as if the person who did this or

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<v Speaker 3>person's cut themselves. No blood samples, no weather.

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<v Speaker 4>They were able to get some DNA from the scene

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<v Speaker 4>and that was preserved. And this there is like this

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<v Speaker 4>could be a key to solving this. Back in two

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<v Speaker 4>thousand and six, the evidence was sent for DNA testing

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<v Speaker 4>and it's unknown, you know, what kind of results came

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<v Speaker 4>out of that, but you know that I'm not sure

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<v Speaker 4>if it was tested again. But in twenty fifteen, authorities

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<v Speaker 4>exhumed a body from Fairview Cemetery in hyde Pack because

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<v Speaker 4>they were hoping that it was a match to identify

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<v Speaker 4>the killer. This would have been like a relative of

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<v Speaker 4>the killer. It's unclear whether that led anywhere. It probably didn't.

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<v Speaker 4>I called the DA's office and you know, they couldn't comment.

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<v Speaker 4>But obviously that was ten years ago, but there is

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<v Speaker 4>evidence there was DNA that was tested, So that is

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<v Speaker 4>a hope. And you know, and obviously if anybody knows anything,

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<v Speaker 4>I know a lot of time has passed, but you

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<v Speaker 4>never know. It's you know, I was giving a talk

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<v Speaker 4>at the Writing Public Library the other night, and I like,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, I always tell everybody it's so important to

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<v Speaker 4>get the word out about these cases because just from

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<v Speaker 4>the stories I've written, I know that tips have come

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<v Speaker 4>in to authorities as a result of the stories.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I'll tell you what what I'd love to do

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<v Speaker 3>with you. I'll have you on every other week. I'll

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<v Speaker 3>have you on every week. If this would be helpful

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<v Speaker 3>to you, I would love that.

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<v Speaker 1>You got it. That's a deal.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll tell Marita on Monday that that we're going to

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<v Speaker 3>do that. Okay, we'll work as a as a junior

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<v Speaker 3>partner to you on this and because if we can

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<v Speaker 3>help you solve one of these, it'll be well worth it.

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<v Speaker 3>So let me ask you this what became of her husband,

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<v Speaker 3>Gerald Mornihan, and what became of the six year old son?

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<v Speaker 3>Know what?

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<v Speaker 4>You know this obviously the family is and you know

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<v Speaker 4>I was not able to interview them when I wrote

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<v Speaker 4>the story. But I plan on doing a follow up story, Dan,

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<v Speaker 4>because a source recently gave me some of the case

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<v Speaker 4>files from the investigation. That so I may be doing

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<v Speaker 4>a follow up story and I am going to try

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<v Speaker 4>to reach out to the soun Okay, you know he

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<v Speaker 4>he's willing to talk.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the dad Again, this is over fifty years old.

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<v Speaker 3>Whether or not Gerald one hand is still alive, you

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<v Speaker 3>don't know the fact that they were, you know, pulling

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<v Speaker 3>a DNA and testing it on another corpse. That would

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<v Speaker 3>indicate to me that he never was a suspect in

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<v Speaker 3>the case. And the six year old son, now he's

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<v Speaker 3>got to be in his late fifties. You would think that, yeah, again,

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<v Speaker 3>not being putting yourself in the shoes of these people.

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<v Speaker 3>They I'm sure would love to have it solved that

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<v Speaker 3>she just met with some maniac. And you just think

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<v Speaker 3>that whoever did this, they may have taken this to

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<v Speaker 3>their grave. How do you do that? I mean, you

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<v Speaker 3>would think that on the deathbed, if they were fortunate

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<v Speaker 3>enough to lie and to die in a deathbed, that

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<v Speaker 3>that one of them, trying to get right with the hereafter,

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<v Speaker 3>might say, hey, I just got to clear my mind,

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<v Speaker 3>got to clear my soul.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh.

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<v Speaker 3>This is great, great work, Emily. We'll be back in

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<v Speaker 3>touch with that. I want to do this on a

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<v Speaker 4>Great sounds great.

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<v Speaker 3>Great work, Emily, And I just want to say thanks

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<v Speaker 3>so much for joining us tonight, and.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's hope that maybe something is listening. You never know, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>you just never know. Have a great weekend, are you too? Thanks?

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<v Speaker 1>Will we get back.

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<v Speaker 3>We're going to talk with a professor of pediatrics and

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<v Speaker 3>Population health at NYU's Gross Gross Grossman School of Medicine, uh.

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<v Speaker 3>He has done some work linking the use of linking

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<v Speaker 3>items that could be linked to heart disease. This one's

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<v Speaker 3>pretty scary, by the way. My name is Dan Ray.

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<v Speaker 1>This is Nights Side. We have a very interesting show

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<v Speaker 3>Coming up tonight. At nine o'clock. We're going to do

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<v Speaker 3>a little bit of a deep dive into the Bill

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<v Speaker 3>night side, no phone calls until after nine. We'll be

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<v Speaker 3>back to talk about heart disease and is it linked

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<v Speaker 1>All right, little change the plans here.

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<v Speaker 3>So we'll get back to that question about plastics, household

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<v Speaker 3>plastics and the possibility the linkage.

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<v Speaker 1>To heart disease. And we're gonna talk with Paula Fleming.

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<v Speaker 1>Paula is always there.

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<v Speaker 3>She's the chief marketing and sales officer for the Better

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<v Speaker 3>and Paula we were interested to find out. First of all,

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<v Speaker 3>welcome back and thanks for moving up in the lineup

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<v Speaker 3>for us tonight, Paula, thank you, Thank you.

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<v Speaker 5>Good evening. Dennis, my pleasure.

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<v Speaker 1>Well you're the best. You're the best.

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<v Speaker 3>Between you and Emily Sweeney from the Globe, two of

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<v Speaker 3>my favorite people. So I know I'm in good shape,

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<v Speaker 5>So that's so kind and in good company. I respect

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<v Speaker 3>That's great work. That's great work. Okay, so you're warning folks.

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<v Speaker 3>I think everybody knows that by May seventh, a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of people would like to have their real ID driver's

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<v Speaker 3>licenses so that they don't have to go through the

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<v Speaker 3>to fly on a plane here in America, or if

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<v Speaker 3>they want to go into a federal building. What is

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<v Speaker 3>the scam and how's this? What should people be watching

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<v Speaker 5>So there's a critical point to remember. Getting your real

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<v Speaker 5>idea is an in person process at your local department

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<v Speaker 5>and motor vehicles. So while some states might let you

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<v Speaker 5>start the paperwork online, like Massachusetts, the final step requires

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<v Speaker 5>person DM visit. They are certainly a fake website and

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<v Speaker 5>it is a scam. So do not enter any of

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<v Speaker 5>your personal information on sites and please report them immediately

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<v Speaker 5>to us at the bub Scam Track or so we

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<v Speaker 1>These scammers are just persistent.

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<v Speaker 3>They don't give up. I mean, if they applied to

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<v Speaker 3>effort that they apply to scamming people, that'd be huge successes.

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<v Speaker 3>We have any idea where these are coming out of,

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<v Speaker 3>these homegrown scammers or were we back talking about some

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<v Speaker 5>No, I do not know where they are coming out of,

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<v Speaker 5>to be honest with you, and thankfully, locally, we have

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<v Speaker 5>yet to have a report of this scam and I

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<v Speaker 5>want to keep it that way. That's why I'm so

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<v Speaker 5>appreciative of the time you give me on air to

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<v Speaker 5>educate people on what not to do so they can

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<v Speaker 5>keep their personal and financial information safe. It's so easy

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<v Speaker 5>to want to take, you know, the quick alternative, but

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<v Speaker 5>it is a scam and we want people to understand.

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<v Speaker 5>While I am on board with the stress, I too

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<v Speaker 5>need a real I d and wait it till the

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<v Speaker 5>last minute, and unfortunately I keep clicking the triple A

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<v Speaker 5>refresh button waiting for an appointment. But I'm going to

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<v Speaker 5>have to walk in like everyone else to the DMV.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, No, here's the deal, Okay, I can help you

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<v Speaker 3>out on this, Okay, in all ways, y the real

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<v Speaker 3>ID you're supposed to have it by March seventh, however,

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<v Speaker 3>can get it on eighth, May ninth, May ten, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>July third. All the pressure everybody's feeling, the pressure to

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<v Speaker 1>But the deadline's going to come and go.

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<v Speaker 3>So if you're not getting on an airplane for the

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<v Speaker 3>next couple of weeks, I'm telling you the amount of

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<v Speaker 1>See next the seventh. Today is the second. So the

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<v Speaker 1>seventh is Wednesday.

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<v Speaker 3>After Wednesday, I bet you that the R and B

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<v Speaker 3>they'll be sitting there drumming their fingers on their tables, saying,

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's like that's the case.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, no, I believe. So I've talked to people there actually,

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<v Speaker 3>And unless and the worst case scenario, let's assume you

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<v Speaker 3>had to fly on I don't know May seventh, you

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<v Speaker 3>bring your passport with you, or if you have to

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<v Speaker 3>make a federal building downtown, bring your passport with you.

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<v Speaker 3>Make sure you keep it safe and sound somewhere on

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<v Speaker 1>That's the problem.

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<v Speaker 3>But yeah, this loosen up the process is of pain

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<v Speaker 3>because as you know, and again I'm not I'm just

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<v Speaker 3>trying to help you out here. Make sure that you

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<v Speaker 3>look at that website and you pulled together all the

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<v Speaker 3>documents you needed and then some because one of the

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<v Speaker 3>when I went four or five years ago, remember this

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<v Speaker 3>was supposed to go to effect in October twenty uh

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<v Speaker 3>and now the rush is on. I was supposed to

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<v Speaker 3>bring I don't know, like three different bills that showed

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<v Speaker 3>that I lived at the address would show to my

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<v Speaker 3>driver's license. You would think that that would have been enough. No,

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<v Speaker 3>I had to find an electric bill. I had to

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<v Speaker 3>find some sort of a gas bill or whatever to

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<v Speaker 3>prove that I had paid it was. They were looking

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<v Speaker 3>for a lot more. In my opinion, it was necessary.

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<v Speaker 3>But hey, if it keeps if it keeps us safe,

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<v Speaker 3>that's great. I'm delighted that you guys are on the

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<v Speaker 3>lookout for these scams. They just keep popping up, That's

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<v Speaker 3>what's going on. They just keep popping up, and you

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<v Speaker 3>guys do at the Boston.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank You Bureau.

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<v Speaker 1>How can find thank you?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, how can folks get more information on scams generally

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<v Speaker 3>at the BBB.

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<v Speaker 1>What what's the website?

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<v Speaker 5>Sure, it is BBB dot org. And to be more specific,

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<v Speaker 5>if you want to check out scams that are transpiring

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<v Speaker 5>either locally in your community or across the United States,

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<v Speaker 5>we have something called the BBB scam Tracker and that

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<v Speaker 5>is BBB dot org forward Slash Scam Tracker.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's say it's such important work, and it is. It

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<v Speaker 3>really it drives me crazy. These guys, these folks, these

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<v Speaker 3>bad guys, and I use that to generic guys. They're

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<v Speaker 3>coming at us in every direction. They're trying to hit

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<v Speaker 3>us on our phones, hit us on our cell phones.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, the only thing that and maybe there's sometimes

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<v Speaker 3>they do it ringing your do a bell. You just

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<v Speaker 3>have to assume everybody.

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<v Speaker 1>Just like when you're driving, you have to.

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<v Speaker 3>Assume every everyone else on the road is going to

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<v Speaker 3>do something really dumb. Stop their car, turn around or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>You have to do the.

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<v Speaker 3>Same thing with when you're out and about. It's it's

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<v Speaker 3>getting to the point where you want to assume everybody's

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<v Speaker 3>a scammer. Tough way to live your life, but I

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<v Speaker 3>think it's almost necessary.

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<v Speaker 5>I agree with you, and we want your listeners to remember,

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<v Speaker 5>legitimate government agencies will never contact you unsolicited in asking

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<v Speaker 5>for payment or send sort of information. So hang up

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<v Speaker 5>or delete that text and go in person for that

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<v Speaker 5>real ID. As you mentioned that it will still be

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<v Speaker 5>available if you're not traveling after May seventh.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well again, even if you are traveling after May seventh,

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<v Speaker 3>if you have a passport, you're you're okay, and that

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<v Speaker 3>will that a lot of people have their passport, So

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<v Speaker 3>just for money, do Yeah, you've been warned, you've been warned,

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<v Speaker 3>no scans, and get it whenever you can.

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<v Speaker 1>Paula, as always, thanks so much.

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<v Speaker 5>Thank you, thank you, Dan, have a great evening.

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<v Speaker 3>You too, and have a good weekend, first weekend of May.

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<v Speaker 3>One of my favorites. Thanks again. All right, well they're

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<v Speaker 3>going to take a break. I have no idea who's

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<v Speaker 3>coming up in the lineup next, but we'll figure that out.

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<v Speaker 3>And Andrew is is back there working hard, and I

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<v Speaker 3>think that he is finally located. Doctor Leonardo I think

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<v Speaker 3>it's pronounced Trisande, uh, doctor Leonardo Tressande. Will get to

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<v Speaker 3>him right after the break, and then later on at

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<v Speaker 3>eight forty five, we will talk about Trump tariffs. The

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<v Speaker 3>impact seems to have diminished stock market had a big

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<v Speaker 3>day to day. We'll be back on nightside right after

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<v Speaker 3>the news at the bottom of the hour.

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<v Speaker 2>You're on night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's

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<v Speaker 3>Well, we have made connections with doctor Leonardo Tresande, Doctor Trasande.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome. How are you tonight, sir?

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<v Speaker 2>Doing great? Thanks for having me.

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<v Speaker 3>You're welcome. You gave us a scare there. We couldn't

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<v Speaker 3>find you for a couple of minutes. You're a professor

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<v Speaker 3>of pediatrics and population health at NYU New York Universities,

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<v Speaker 3>one of the great universities in this country, at the

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<v Speaker 3>Grossman School of Medicine. And I guess we're going to

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<v Speaker 3>talk about some new study or new analysis of a

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<v Speaker 3>population study that shows daily exposure to certain chemicals used

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<v Speaker 3>to make plastic household items can be linked to heart disease.

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<v Speaker 3>I've heard about linkage to cancers. Now we're talking about

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<v Speaker 3>heart disease. What's going on?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, when we think of heart disease, we're

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<v Speaker 2>usually thinking of diet, physical activity, things like smoking. But

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<v Speaker 2>there's a new risk factor on the radar, and that's plastics.

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<v Speaker 2>Plastics are really not the future to borrow a phrase

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<v Speaker 2>from The Graduates. Some of your listeners might remember that movie,

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<v Speaker 2>but yep, indeed. So what we know about plastics is

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<v Speaker 2>that they can leach chemicals that can hack our normal

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<v Speaker 2>signaling molecules or hormones that underlie basic biological functions like temperature, metabolism, salt, sugar,

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<v Speaker 2>and even sex. And they've been associated with obesity and diabetes,

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<v Speaker 2>which are major risk factors for heart disease. They can

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<v Speaker 2>also contribute to inflammation in our coroner arteries. Not a

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<v Speaker 2>good thing. If you've got some plaque there, you get

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<v Speaker 2>heart attack and strokes and what have you. Palates also

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<v Speaker 2>exist with another hot topic these days, microplastics and nanoplastics,

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<v Speaker 2>little particles that can be wrecking balls in tissues. And

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<v Speaker 2>what we know is that thalates are added in particular

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<v Speaker 2>to polyvinyl chloridplastic. This is the shrinky, flexible food wrap.

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<v Speaker 2>Valtes make the plastic softer and so it gives it

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of utility in food packaging and particular, but

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<v Speaker 2>also personal cure products and cosmetics. Now, it turns out

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<v Speaker 2>there have been a couple of studies that have looked

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<v Speaker 2>Dalates in a large sample of Americans were found to

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<v Speaker 2>be increasing caurdiovascular mortality directly by linkage to National Death

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<v Speaker 2>Index DATUM and more recently, polyvinyl chlorioplastic those classics that

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<v Speaker 2>That's the artery that feeds the neck, that feeds the brain.

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<v Speaker 2>It's in the neck, it feeds the brain oxygen and

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<v Speaker 2>what have you. And that was associated with a fourfold

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<v Speaker 2>increase in heart attack, stroke, and even death. So that

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<v Speaker 2>is pretty good evidence. Obviously, more researchers always needed. The

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<v Speaker 2>researchers are always going to say that, but you've got

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<v Speaker 2>a compelling case for action. We had already shown the

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<v Speaker 2>fifty thousand Americans die each year from early heart disease

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<v Speaker 2>due to thalates and ultimately plastic But what we did

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<v Speaker 2>part of basking immortality. And we found that three hundred

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<v Speaker 2>and sixty five thousand people in twenty eighteen died as

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<v Speaker 2>a result of thalates and ultimately plastic exposures, because roughly

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<v Speaker 2>ninety eight percent of all palates are used in plastic

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<v Speaker 2>materials ultimately.

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<v Speaker 3>So the word, the word that you that you're using

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<v Speaker 3>here is p h T H A L A t

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<v Speaker 3>E s phllates.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess is the word it's a mouthful.

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<v Speaker 1>No, that's fine. So here's my question.

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<v Speaker 3>A lot of us have in our kitchen for cooking,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, plastic items to you know, stir the pasta

436
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<v Speaker 3>or whatever. I'm from what I'm hearing from you, I

437
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<v Speaker 3>need to walk downstairs and throw those out right now?

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<v Speaker 1>What do I replace them with?

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<v Speaker 3>Have to replace them with metal spoons and and and

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<v Speaker 3>metal metal items that that are safer.

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<v Speaker 1>With wooden spoons.

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<v Speaker 3>It seems like no matter what you do, doctor, there's

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<v Speaker 3>some inherent danger unless you're gonna uh, I'm being silly.

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<v Speaker 3>Now take your own hand and stir the pasta as

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<v Speaker 3>it's boiling. Which of what no one's going to do?

446
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<v Speaker 3>What would what would you use for you know, typical

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<v Speaker 3>kitchen utensils to to if not eliminate this problem, diminish it.

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<v Speaker 2>So we were just getting through dinner here in New York City.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a family and we actually as a matter of fact,

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<v Speaker 2>have glass and stainless deal and would as our main

451
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<v Speaker 2>tools in dealing with food. Now, this isn't something to

452
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<v Speaker 2>get guilty about the past. They're safe and simple steps

453
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<v Speaker 2>we can all take. They'd overquire a PhD. In chemistry

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<v Speaker 2>or have to break the bank. And there's a lot

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<v Speaker 2>you can do going forward, and you see short, medium

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<v Speaker 2>and long term benefits. Short term, you can see changes

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<v Speaker 2>in chemical levels. You can see hormone changes in weeks,

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<v Speaker 2>and then in months and years you have reductions and

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<v Speaker 2>not just heart disease profile. These chemicals have been linked,

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<v Speaker 2>as you said, to certain cancers, particularly endocrine cancers like

461
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<v Speaker 2>thyroid gland. They've also been associated, as I manage, with

462
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<v Speaker 2>obesity and diabetes. They've been associated with effects and kids

463
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<v Speaker 2>like problems in brain development, and so there's a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of benefits that can be a team. It's even been

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<v Speaker 2>associated with the potential progression of cancers, even if you've

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<v Speaker 2>already had cancer. So what we're talking about here is

467
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<v Speaker 2>something you can do now, and that's renegotiating. Renegotiating, sorry,

468
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<v Speaker 2>your relationship with plastic period. You know, if I get

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<v Speaker 2>out a flight, I have a steamless steel water bottle.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't grab a plastic water bottle. It's empty before security,

471
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<v Speaker 2>get on the plane with it filled. And that might

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<v Speaker 2>not get me to Tokyo, but it'll get me to

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<v Speaker 2>Chicago or LA from New York or Boston. So you

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<v Speaker 2>know that's a And if you're in a workplace, you

475
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<v Speaker 2>know you see a lot of these plastic water bottles

476
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<v Speaker 2>lying around that you get And I think the thing

477
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<v Speaker 2>that people aren't realizing is sometimes that water is simply

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<v Speaker 2>tap water from some municipal water supply. And if your

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<v Speaker 2>municipal water supplies perfectly good, there's no reason to tote

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<v Speaker 2>around a plastic water bowl. It's really no difference. What

481
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<v Speaker 2>you're buying really is not the water, you're buying the plastic. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's terribly important to keep in mind. If there's

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<v Speaker 2>one thing I can tell your listeners to focus on

484
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<v Speaker 2>is not machine dishwashing or microwaving plastic. That's just inviting

485
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<v Speaker 2>chemicals and microplastics and handle plastics into food and into

486
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<v Speaker 2>your body.

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<v Speaker 3>So do not machine wash anything that's plastic, is which

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<v Speaker 3>I'm hearing you.

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<v Speaker 2>Say last I checked hand washing works if you really

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<v Speaker 2>need it. I mean, you know, in an ideal world

491
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<v Speaker 2>you have less plastic.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, by the way, I happen to be.

493
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<v Speaker 3>I happen to be in my family the big hand washer.

494
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<v Speaker 3>My wife loves to put wineglasses in the dishwasher and

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<v Speaker 3>that they don't get washed, and they have dirty washed anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>So here's my question.

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<v Speaker 3>And again I'm mister practicality here, So you're the expert.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't have.

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<v Speaker 3>If you have plastics that you want to eliminate, you're

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<v Speaker 3>telling me eliminate and replace them with either stainless steel,

501
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<v Speaker 3>glass or wood, you know, the for the you know,

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<v Speaker 3>kitchen utensils. You don't have to go to the high

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<v Speaker 3>end stores and buy that. I assume you can go

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<v Speaker 3>to your local grocery store. And as long as you

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<v Speaker 3>stay away from plastics, by wood, stainless steel and glass,

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<v Speaker 3>if you have to, you know, change it around and

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<v Speaker 3>get something to stir the pasta or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's what.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm hearing exactly. And just speaking of cooking, those nonstick

510
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<v Speaker 2>cooking pans for different reasons, not sales, but nonstick chemicals

511
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<v Speaker 2>or pithos forever chemicals. They were in this movie called

512
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<v Speaker 2>Dark Waters that Mark Ruffalo did Figgers back. Those chemical

513
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<v Speaker 2>are a concern, and you know, sometimes you can get

514
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<v Speaker 2>cast iron, a stainless steel even cheaper. Unless I checked,

515
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<v Speaker 2>a little olive oil can go a good way for

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<v Speaker 2>your health.

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<v Speaker 1>And that and that also stops the sticking.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh man, I'll tell you doctor, this was This was

520
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<v Speaker 3>really great. It opens my eyes. I thank you immensely.

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<v Speaker 3>We have a lot of doctors on on different issues,

522
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<v Speaker 3>but this is one that really has practical value. Doctor

523
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<v Speaker 3>Leonardo Tresonde of the New York University Grossman School of Medicine.

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<v Speaker 3>I'd love to keep in touch with you on this

525
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<v Speaker 3>and other issues. You're you're a great doctor, but I

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<v Speaker 3>also think you're a great communicator.

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<v Speaker 1>And take it from guys's done this for a long time.

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<v Speaker 1>You you really made this.

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<v Speaker 3>You answered all the questions directly, and I think you

530
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<v Speaker 3>helped out a lot of people tonight. I thank you

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<v Speaker 3>for doing that.

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<v Speaker 2>Happy you come back anytime, all.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, Thanks very much, have a great weekend. Enjoy the

534
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<v Speaker 3>weather in New York City this weekend. I hope it's

535
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<v Speaker 3>as good as it may be in Boston.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks again, you too. Thank you.

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<v Speaker 3>We have one more left, and we're going to talk

538
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<v Speaker 3>with the senior political reporter from Vox, Nicole Narrea or Noray,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope it's no Ray as it's spelled ori Ea.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll get to all of that, and we're going to

542
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<v Speaker 3>talk about the rising of what's rising due to Trump's tariffs.

543
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<v Speaker 3>I'll tell you one thing that's not rising is oil prices,

544
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<v Speaker 3>and that's going to help.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll talk about it. On the other side.

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<v Speaker 2>It's Night Side with Dan Ray on w Boston's news radio.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, today is May second, and it was about a

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<v Speaker 3>month ago on April second, that President Donald Trump declared

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<v Speaker 3>Liberation Day.

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<v Speaker 1>And when he declared Liberation.

551
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<v Speaker 3>Day, he talked about tariffs and the market. The stock

552
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<v Speaker 3>market had a turbulent month in May. We're now twenty

553
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<v Speaker 3>thirty days after April second and joining us Nicole Narrea.

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<v Speaker 3>She's a senior political reporter for Vox. Nicole, We're going

555
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<v Speaker 3>to talk about Donald Trump's tarras they seem to be

556
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<v Speaker 3>in full swing. We want to see what's going on.

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<v Speaker 3>And I just want to set the stage by noting

558
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<v Speaker 3>that today the stock market had a great day across

559
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<v Speaker 3>the board s and P was up, Dow was up,

560
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<v Speaker 3>Nasdaq was up all pretty close to one and a

561
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<v Speaker 3>half percent, and that was I think we're back pretty

562
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<v Speaker 3>close to where we were pre April. Second, what's going

563
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<v Speaker 3>on in terms of just stock prices. Let's start there,

564
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<v Speaker 3>and we can also throw in oil prices. Oil is

565
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<v Speaker 3>now down around sixty dollars a barrel, which is good

566
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<v Speaker 3>and only argues well for gas prices, and of course

567
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<v Speaker 3>everything that gets shipped is impacted by the price of transportation.

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<v Speaker 1>Good evening. I know I've thrown a lot at you,

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<v Speaker 1>but take your pick.

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<v Speaker 5>Go right ahead, let's get into it.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, let's dive right in.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>I think on the stock market, it's it's interesting because

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<v Speaker 6>I think I've been talking to people who are supply

575
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<v Speaker 6>chain experts, and a lot of them think, and talking

576
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<v Speaker 6>to retailers and businesses that these terriffs aren't going to last,

577
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<v Speaker 6>and that Trump's hand will be forced here once consumers

578
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<v Speaker 6>really start feeling the pinch of higher prices resulting from this,

579
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<v Speaker 6>and those higher prices are likely coming. So, you know,

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<v Speaker 6>I think I think one thing once over lining here,

581
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<v Speaker 6>there's been a lot of scary headlines out there, but

582
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<v Speaker 6>a lot of big box retailers in particular have been

583
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<v Speaker 6>stockpiling inventory for months. That's in part due to the pandemic,

584
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<v Speaker 6>you know, just naturally they started stockpiling more inventory, but

585
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<v Speaker 6>especially in preparation for the tariffs, they just have more

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<v Speaker 6>stock on hand. So I think they can last a

587
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<v Speaker 6>few months before we might see drastic price increases across

588
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<v Speaker 6>the board here. But but price increases are happening. But

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<v Speaker 6>at the same time, you know, I think in terms

590
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<v Speaker 6>of the stock market reaction, there is definitely a hope

591
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<v Speaker 6>that Trump's going to roll some of us back in

592
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<v Speaker 6>the next few months, especially before the holiday season, because

593
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<v Speaker 6>he doesn't want to be looking like a green should

594
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<v Speaker 6>and having a war on Christmas.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he made kind of an oddball comment yesterday where

596
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<v Speaker 3>maybe kids don't need thirty dollars they have two dolls

597
00:32:16.319 --> 00:32:18.279
<v Speaker 3>or something like that. It's just when he when he's

598
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<v Speaker 3>off script, it can be it can send a little

599
00:32:21.240 --> 00:32:25.440
<v Speaker 3>joke to the market. But he's he's kind of rolling

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<v Speaker 3>back a little bit of the tariffs on audible meiles

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<v Speaker 3>and on auto parts.

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<v Speaker 1>We talked about that yesterday, So he is, he would

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<v Speaker 1>say he's fine tuning his critics. We say he's backpath.

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<v Speaker 3>Either way, it's going to make it a little better

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<v Speaker 3>in the short term.

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<v Speaker 1>At least that's from my perspective. Am I right or

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<v Speaker 1>wrong on that in your opinion?

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<v Speaker 6>No, I think that's definitely right. I mean, I think

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<v Speaker 6>he is setting out with the objective of making deals

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<v Speaker 6>with other countries and eventually, you know, lowering the temperature here.

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<v Speaker 6>His officials have said the current tariffs on China one

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<v Speaker 6>hundred forty five percent are not sustainable, so they recognize

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<v Speaker 6>that they want to, you know, negotiate with China. I

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<v Speaker 6>think at the moment, China's being a bit cagy about

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<v Speaker 6>coming to the negotiating table and exactly what they want

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<v Speaker 6>to see. But I think it's moving in the right

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<v Speaker 6>direction there. But you know, how quickly can these deals

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<v Speaker 6>get get done before Americans are really feeling the impact

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<v Speaker 6>of this on prices, because there have been a lot

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<v Speaker 6>of executives that are warning, you know, in a few

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<v Speaker 6>months weeks, we're going to start seeing empty shelves and

622
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<v Speaker 6>have no choice but to increase prices. And remember, you know,

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<v Speaker 6>it's not just big businesses here, but small to medium

624
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<v Speaker 6>sized businesses or places that are launching new products can't

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<v Speaker 6>necessarily afford to absorb the extra cost associated with this

626
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<v Speaker 6>and keeping more inventory on hand, So I think that's

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<v Speaker 6>a little discouraging. I also did want to come back

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<v Speaker 6>to your comment about gas prices, because you know, I

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<v Speaker 6>think it is a bit of a double edged sword. Yes,

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<v Speaker 6>we all like to pay less when we're at the pump,

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<v Speaker 6>but I think generally speaking, when there are tough financial

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<v Speaker 6>times ahead, gas prices have come down because it's sort

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<v Speaker 6>of a marker of economic activity, So people are buying

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<v Speaker 6>less gas. Oil prices are coming down because there's just

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<v Speaker 6>less economic activity happening, and we are starting to see

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<v Speaker 6>that now in terms of the ships arriving from China,

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<v Speaker 6>the cargo ships. The volume is starting to go down

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<v Speaker 6>in the next few weeks. So that's not entirely encouraging sign,

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<v Speaker 6>even though I know we do like to see.

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<v Speaker 3>For those of us recently who saw gas prices even

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<v Speaker 3>here in New England very close and sometimes over four

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<v Speaker 3>dollars a gallon, I can find prices now easily two

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<v Speaker 3>seventy a gallon. And I'm always looking at oil prices

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<v Speaker 3>because I've in my lifetime, in my recent lifetime, oil

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<v Speaker 3>has been as high as one hundred and fifty dollars

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<v Speaker 3>a barrow. There's an impact on what's going on in

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<v Speaker 3>the Middle East. There's an impact as to what's going

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<v Speaker 3>on with these conversations with Iran. There's an impact that's

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<v Speaker 3>going on as to if the hoodie stop firing, and

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<v Speaker 3>ships that are that are moving through or through the

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<v Speaker 3>Middle East.

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<v Speaker 1>There's all sorts of factors here, and I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>I guess when the experts are telling me that and

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<v Speaker 3>are telling you that, oh, a few months from now,

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<v Speaker 3>we're really going to feel it.

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<v Speaker 1>The problem with with some of.

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<v Speaker 3>Those experts, and I'm gonna I'm gonna ask you a

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<v Speaker 3>tough question here, is that what they believe or that's

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<v Speaker 3>what they hope. In other words, I didn't hear a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of the drastic predictions when Joe Biden was president.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think a lot of people feel that there's

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<v Speaker 3>some in our media that are rooting against Trump. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>not a Trump guy, but I want Trump to succeed.

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<v Speaker 3>I wasn't necessarily a Biden guy, but I want Biden

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<v Speaker 3>to succeed. And you just hope that the predictions that

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<v Speaker 3>are coming forward from the experts are not influenced by

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<v Speaker 3>their own political taste.

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<v Speaker 6>Look, I mean, yeah, I know, I totally understand, and

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, you know, uh, I have a four O

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<v Speaker 6>one K as much as anyone else, So I am

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<v Speaker 6>certainly hoping for the best of the US economy here.

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<v Speaker 6>I think, yeah, yeah, there's just been some sort of

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<v Speaker 6>worrying signs in the markets recently that sort of suggest

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<v Speaker 6>that these tariffs are not going to be good for

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<v Speaker 6>the US long term. So you know, I don't want

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<v Speaker 6>to get too wonky on you, but like in terms

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<v Speaker 6>of the bond markets, uh, treasuries spiking, that's and the

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<v Speaker 6>weakening US dollar, that's how it sort of says a

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<v Speaker 6>lot about international business confidence in where the US economy

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<v Speaker 6>is heading. And I don't think that's good for anyone,

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<v Speaker 6>especially given how many Americans have their four one ks

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<v Speaker 6>tied up in many major American companies.

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<v Speaker 3>So I think that I was going to Nicole that

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<v Speaker 3>if there's one talk show host likes to get wonky,

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<v Speaker 3>I like to get wonky on this stuff because I've

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<v Speaker 3>studied it a long time. Let me ask you this.

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<v Speaker 3>When the market plunged on that first week in April

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<v Speaker 3>and the market was down substantially, I mean five six, seven, percent.

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<v Speaker 3>I was thinking at the time this thing might not

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<v Speaker 3>recover till July for it to have recovered this quickly,

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<v Speaker 3>and that was influenced by what a lot of the

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<v Speaker 3>analysts were saying. Did you how surprised to you that

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<v Speaker 3>the market has come back and rebounded as well as

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<v Speaker 3>it has in this period of just thirty days. It

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<v Speaker 3>stuns me, to be really honest with you.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, no, I definitely find it surprising. I do think

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<v Speaker 6>that we've been getting signals from the administration that Trump

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<v Speaker 6>is still responsive to the stock market, because I think

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<v Speaker 6>that was at that point a big question was you know,

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<v Speaker 6>he always was talking about the stock market during the

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<v Speaker 6>first term and really was touting as an accomplishment of

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<v Speaker 6>his And I think there was a question when the

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<v Speaker 6>terrorists were first released. You know, is he still responsive

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<v Speaker 6>to this market forces? And you know, there are a

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<v Speaker 6>lot of people on Wall Street that were betting on

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<v Speaker 6>a Trump put But it does seem that he still

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<v Speaker 6>cares about that, and you know, I think the question

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<v Speaker 6>is how is he going to negotiate these deals but also,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, maintain confidence in the US as a place

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<v Speaker 6>to do business going forward, because I think that's something

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<v Speaker 6>that is not totally resolved here in the long term,

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<v Speaker 6>because he's sort of demonstrated with the tariffs that you

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<v Speaker 6>know laterally he can massively reshape the economic environment in

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<v Speaker 6>the US and and that's a hard place to be

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<v Speaker 6>doing business in if you can't go forward with confidence

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<v Speaker 6>in the future. So I think that's something that I'm

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<v Speaker 6>watching is like to what extent businesses are feeling like

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<v Speaker 6>they can invest here long term And I'm not thinking enough.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to look forward to having you back.

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<v Speaker 3>We're getting close to our time here, so I'm going

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<v Speaker 3>to look forward to have it back sometime maybe in

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<v Speaker 3>August or September, and see how empty or full of

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<v Speaker 3>those shelves are. I mean, that's I just I'm going

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<v Speaker 3>to hold people to what and these aren't your predictions.

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<v Speaker 3>These are the predictions of the so called experts. We'll see,

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<v Speaker 3>We'll see how how they work out on this. It

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<v Speaker 3>was interesting to see that real mineral deal apparently now

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<v Speaker 3>with Ukraine thankfully seems to be in place for a

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<v Speaker 3>whole bunch of reasons. Nicole appreciate it very much. Thank

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<v Speaker 3>you so much for joining US, Nicole, Norea. You the

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<v Speaker 3>last three letters of your your name are the last

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<v Speaker 3>three letters of my name, it's minus, simply ri A.

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<v Speaker 3>Yours is Na Ri, a senior political reporter for Vox.

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks Nicole, I appreciate.

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<v Speaker 1>It very much.

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<v Speaker 6>Thanks for having me on. Appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 3>Talk to you soon. Here comes the nine o'clock News.

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<v Speaker 3>Right after the nine o'clock News, we're going to talk

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<v Speaker 3>about the Bill Belichick, Jordan Hudson's story, and I think

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<v Speaker 3>we're going to have some interesting takes
