WEBVTT 1 00:00:56.079 --> 00:00:59.880 Alright, what is going on drivetime Thursday afternoon? Look at 2 00:00:59.920 --> 00:01:02.200 it about thirteen minutes past the hour at two o'clock. 3 00:01:02.240 --> 00:01:04.280 It is another really warm. 4 00:01:04.719 --> 00:01:08.319 Mild December Salt Lake City day outside, and as it 5 00:01:08.400 --> 00:01:09.519 is every single day, it's good. 6 00:01:09.560 --> 00:01:11.200 Have you along for the rides, Bence check. 7 00:01:11.239 --> 00:01:14.120 It's behind the Maya coasting the program today, as I 8 00:01:14.319 --> 00:01:15.319 do most every day. 9 00:01:15.879 --> 00:01:17.359 It's the name of the show, after all. 10 00:01:17.400 --> 00:01:20.560 Porter Larson out and about on vacation, Olivia filling in, 11 00:01:20.599 --> 00:01:22.519 doing a great job as always, and we got a 12 00:01:22.599 --> 00:01:26.480 jam packed, busy Thursday show for you guys today live 13 00:01:26.519 --> 00:01:30.200 from the road Home. 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So 50 00:03:00.400 --> 00:03:03.680 come on buy and do some good, or give us 51 00:03:03.680 --> 00:03:07.479 a call today and donate at one nine seventy three hundred. 52 00:03:07.520 --> 00:03:11.479 That's eight oh one eight one nine seventy three hundred. 53 00:03:11.520 --> 00:03:14.599 All right, busy show on this Thursday afternoon live at 54 00:03:14.599 --> 00:03:15.240 the Road Home. 55 00:03:15.719 --> 00:03:17.479 We have a lot to get to on the program today. 56 00:03:17.479 --> 00:03:20.960 Of course, we're one day away from the beginning of 57 00:03:21.159 --> 00:03:25.479 the CFP Okay, so the college football playoff bracket will 58 00:03:25.479 --> 00:03:27.919 start to unveil itself. Coming up tomorrow, it's an in 59 00:03:28.120 --> 00:03:32.080 state game between Notre Dame in Indiana. The Fighting Irish 60 00:03:32.120 --> 00:03:36.159 are seven point favorite as of now. Inclement weather seems 61 00:03:36.199 --> 00:03:39.800 to be the common theme among all of these games, 62 00:03:39.879 --> 00:03:41.360 well most of them, if not all of them. The 63 00:03:41.400 --> 00:03:44.680 exception is probably Texas Clemson down in Austin because you know, 64 00:03:44.759 --> 00:03:48.680 but twenty seven degrees to kicktime Notre Dame in Indiana 65 00:03:49.439 --> 00:03:53.560 in South Bend, it is supposed to be freezing in 66 00:03:53.599 --> 00:03:56.560 State College where Penn State will welcome in SMU. SMU's 67 00:03:56.719 --> 00:03:59.719 average weather at kickoff all year has been sixty two 68 00:03:59.719 --> 00:04:04.000 degree and looking like twenty six degrees at kickoff coming 69 00:04:04.080 --> 00:04:06.240 up on Saturday triple header Penn State at eight point 70 00:04:06.240 --> 00:04:10.639 five point favorite aforementioned Clemson Texas game down at dk 71 00:04:10.879 --> 00:04:14.159 R Texas Memorial Stadium. If you're hearing people yell in 72 00:04:14.159 --> 00:04:16.720 the background, some DJs get very very aggressive and they 73 00:04:16.720 --> 00:04:18.319 wanted to just sha all the entire time. There's nothing 74 00:04:18.360 --> 00:04:20.759 we can do about it. Texas is a twelve point 75 00:04:20.800 --> 00:04:23.600 favorite in that game. It's Clemson Texas two o'clock. 76 00:04:24.160 --> 00:04:25.079 By the way, keep this. 77 00:04:25.079 --> 00:04:29.959 In mind, SMU Penn State on TNT, Clemson Texas on 78 00:04:30.079 --> 00:04:34.120 TNT and MAX, and then Tennessee Ohio State on ABC 79 00:04:34.199 --> 00:04:37.480 and ESPN. So it is the modern day and age 80 00:04:37.519 --> 00:04:40.240 of consumption of both pro and college sports, where you 81 00:04:40.279 --> 00:04:42.720 need to have streaming options, you need to have linear options, 82 00:04:42.720 --> 00:04:44.639 and you need to kind of stay frosty. 83 00:04:44.680 --> 00:04:47.560 But a fun triple header of college football ahead. 84 00:04:47.879 --> 00:04:52.519 Bullseason has already begun and will continue, namely for Brigham 85 00:04:52.519 --> 00:04:56.600 Young coming up against Colorado in the Alamo Bowl. 86 00:04:56.399 --> 00:04:57.920 Should be a really, really fun one. 87 00:04:58.240 --> 00:05:01.839 Both by U and Colorado seem have indicated that their 88 00:05:01.879 --> 00:05:04.600 best players are gonna play now. Colorado is a four 89 00:05:04.600 --> 00:05:06.720 point five point favor. That line has swung the way 90 00:05:06.800 --> 00:05:08.800 the Buffs a couple of different times. The over runder 91 00:05:08.879 --> 00:05:11.879 is a very healthy fifty four point five, and we're 92 00:05:11.879 --> 00:05:14.759 gonna get to some BYU on the program today, Chase Roberts, 93 00:05:14.800 --> 00:05:16.199 will he stay, will he go? 94 00:05:16.319 --> 00:05:18.600 Some comments from Chase today and that. 95 00:05:18.639 --> 00:05:21.839 Chase Roberts Travis Travis Hunter matchup should be a lot 96 00:05:21.879 --> 00:05:24.199 of fun. So college football in the program today, the 97 00:05:24.279 --> 00:05:27.560 latest on the transfer portal for the University of Utah. 98 00:05:27.759 --> 00:05:31.360 Nothing really all that news worthy and noteworthy has happened 99 00:05:31.399 --> 00:05:33.920 since we saig good night last night at six o'clock, 100 00:05:33.959 --> 00:05:36.600 but of course we'll update you on that Pro Football 101 00:05:36.680 --> 00:05:40.399 Week sixteen gets rolling tonight Thursday Night Football. Don't forget 102 00:05:40.439 --> 00:05:43.040 we are your home of the NFL here in this market. 103 00:05:43.079 --> 00:05:46.360 It is the Broncos and it is the Chargers. The 104 00:05:46.439 --> 00:05:49.160 Chargers are two point five point favor the over unders 105 00:05:49.199 --> 00:05:50.920 forty one point five, which is pretty low. 106 00:05:50.959 --> 00:05:51.720 Two really good. 107 00:05:51.519 --> 00:05:55.560 Defensive teams with decent quarterback play, and if Denver wins, 108 00:05:55.600 --> 00:05:56.480 they lock in a. 109 00:05:56.879 --> 00:05:58.600 Playoff spot for the first time in a number of 110 00:05:58.639 --> 00:05:59.120 different years. 111 00:05:59.160 --> 00:06:01.480 So we'll get to a bunch of pro football, bunch 112 00:06:01.519 --> 00:06:05.079 of college football on the show today. The Jazz are 113 00:06:05.079 --> 00:06:07.279 back in action. They're gonna take on the Pistons tonight. 114 00:06:07.879 --> 00:06:10.279 Utah Hockey Club picked up a dramatic home. 115 00:06:10.079 --> 00:06:10.839 Win last night. 116 00:06:10.879 --> 00:06:13.839 They're on the road on Friday taking on a really 117 00:06:13.839 --> 00:06:18.759 good team in Minnesota BYU Basketball and Action on Friday 118 00:06:18.759 --> 00:06:22.639 against FAMU, but apparently Yegor Demon and Richie Saunders are 119 00:06:22.720 --> 00:06:25.720 hurt and will not play. Utes Back in Action Saturday 120 00:06:25.759 --> 00:06:28.519 four o'clock on the Big Ten Network against Iowa. So 121 00:06:28.600 --> 00:06:32.360 a very good early preseason test for Utah men. Women 122 00:06:32.399 --> 00:06:35.639 will welcome in Asu to Salt Lake City coming up 123 00:06:35.680 --> 00:06:37.560 Saturday at four, so a lot to do on the 124 00:06:37.600 --> 00:06:42.600 show today. Gordon Monson bat's lead off my old buddy from. 125 00:06:42.519 --> 00:06:43.879 The Old Show. Gordon will be here. 126 00:06:43.920 --> 00:06:46.240 I'm sorry if I'm cracking up a little bit of 127 00:06:46.240 --> 00:06:49.160 a inside baseball behind the curtains. Every time I'm here, 128 00:06:49.199 --> 00:06:52.279 I just I always get a kick out of the DJs. 129 00:06:52.279 --> 00:06:54.120 They want to yell, so they're on your show instead 130 00:06:54.120 --> 00:06:55.800 of their So that's gonna happen all day's day. 131 00:06:55.839 --> 00:06:57.560 So Gordon Monson will stop by today. 132 00:06:58.000 --> 00:07:01.079 Craig Bowler, Jack TV Voice of the Utah Jazz rolls 133 00:07:01.079 --> 00:07:01.600 by as well. 134 00:07:01.720 --> 00:07:04.720 Richard Smith live on site here at the Road Home. 135 00:07:04.519 --> 00:07:07.040 For an entire hour, do a little sports court on 136 00:07:07.079 --> 00:07:10.439 the program today. Then Dennis hay Spurt's gonna join us. 137 00:07:10.560 --> 00:07:12.480 You might not know who Dennis is, We'll tell you 138 00:07:12.519 --> 00:07:14.639 who he is, what he is doing. 139 00:07:14.399 --> 00:07:15.000 Here in town. 140 00:07:15.439 --> 00:07:18.800 Very famous guy, very famous guy. So we're gonna interview 141 00:07:18.879 --> 00:07:22.519 him later on as well. So Thursday, Live from the 142 00:07:22.639 --> 00:07:25.600 Road Home, our first guest will be none other than 143 00:07:25.680 --> 00:07:26.480 Gordon Monson. 144 00:07:26.639 --> 00:07:29.040 But before we get to Gordon. 145 00:07:28.800 --> 00:07:31.480 Courtesy of our good friends and you're good friends too, 146 00:07:31.600 --> 00:07:34.920 over at Standard Restaurant Supply. It is your one stop 147 00:07:34.959 --> 00:07:38.120 shop for all of your tailgating needs. Visit them online 148 00:07:38.199 --> 00:07:40.959 or check out their great location right downtown Salt Lake City. 149 00:07:41.000 --> 00:07:42.360 It's time now for your opening tip. 150 00:07:42.879 --> 00:07:45.439 Welcome to the Drive with Spence Check it's on Utah's 151 00:07:45.560 --> 00:07:49.160 number one sports talk. Now into the studio of ESPN 152 00:07:49.240 --> 00:07:52.120 seven hundred to set the scene for the show. The 153 00:07:52.160 --> 00:07:54.079 opening tip of the Drive is brought to you by 154 00:07:54.120 --> 00:07:57.480 Standard Restaurants Supply, your one stop shop to build the 155 00:07:57.480 --> 00:08:02.120 best tailgate in town. Stand Restaurants Supply thirty five hundred 156 00:08:02.240 --> 00:08:03.199 Southwest Temple. 157 00:08:04.240 --> 00:08:06.519 So gonna set that's seen for a topic that I 158 00:08:06.560 --> 00:08:08.680 want to talk to all my guests about today, and 159 00:08:08.720 --> 00:08:10.240 it is culture building, and. 160 00:08:10.160 --> 00:08:12.800 It's a little bit of a kind of rints and 161 00:08:12.959 --> 00:08:13.959 repeat topic. 162 00:08:14.079 --> 00:08:16.680 Pretty much any sports soccer radio host, or quite frankly, 163 00:08:17.040 --> 00:08:20.319 anybody who's in media talks about culture building in pro 164 00:08:20.399 --> 00:08:21.279 and college sports. 165 00:08:21.319 --> 00:08:23.519 It's no longer just pro sports. It's college sports. 166 00:08:23.560 --> 00:08:25.600 It's always been college sports, but it's different now, and 167 00:08:25.639 --> 00:08:26.720 we're going to talk about why. 168 00:08:26.800 --> 00:08:28.360 All right, So we're live today at the road Home. 169 00:08:28.399 --> 00:08:30.439 I want to remind you give us a call at 170 00:08:30.480 --> 00:08:32.759 eight o one to eight one nine to seventy three hundred, 171 00:08:32.960 --> 00:08:35.399 or check out the roadhome dot org slash donate to 172 00:08:35.399 --> 00:08:37.840 give us a donation five dollars, ten dollars, whatever you 173 00:08:37.879 --> 00:08:39.879 can afford. You will do a lot of good here 174 00:08:39.919 --> 00:08:43.360 at the road Home. But there's an article today from 175 00:08:43.519 --> 00:08:48.600 The Athletic about my New York Football Jets. Okay, according 176 00:08:48.639 --> 00:08:51.679 to what the Athletic wrote, Woody Johnson, the owner of 177 00:08:51.720 --> 00:08:54.919 the New York Jets, is relying on the feedback of 178 00:08:54.960 --> 00:08:59.879 his teenage sons who play Madden for personnel decisions. 179 00:09:00.840 --> 00:09:01.759 This is a real thing. 180 00:09:01.960 --> 00:09:04.039 Apparently there was a trade on the table for Jerry 181 00:09:04.120 --> 00:09:06.639 Judy because Denver was gonna move off of Jerry Judy, who, 182 00:09:06.679 --> 00:09:10.000 by the way, has killed it in Cleveland despite having 183 00:09:10.039 --> 00:09:13.240 to deal with a couple of different quarterbacks. Woody Johnson 184 00:09:13.320 --> 00:09:18.279 did not like the Madden rating of Jerry Judy, according 185 00:09:18.279 --> 00:09:20.679 to what his sons told him. So therefore they did 186 00:09:20.720 --> 00:09:23.399 not make the trade. Okay, And so this is not 187 00:09:23.440 --> 00:09:26.000 a Jets topic, Okay. It just made me think about, 188 00:09:27.120 --> 00:09:32.159 as a Jets fan, how this culture has bred pathetic 189 00:09:32.159 --> 00:09:33.279 football for so long. 190 00:09:33.320 --> 00:09:35.519 They haven't been to the playoffs in thirteen years. 191 00:09:36.399 --> 00:09:39.159 Every time they have somebody who appears to have some potential, 192 00:09:39.200 --> 00:09:41.039 they just blow it up and they screw it up. 193 00:09:41.080 --> 00:09:44.519 Sam Darnold, who's killing it this year in Minnesota, even 194 00:09:44.519 --> 00:09:45.879 Gino Smith who's had a good. 195 00:09:45.840 --> 00:09:46.600 Year in Seattle. 196 00:09:47.200 --> 00:09:51.000 And I guarantee BYU fans forever and ever and ever 197 00:09:51.200 --> 00:09:54.080 will talk about what Zach Wilson's career could have looked 198 00:09:54.120 --> 00:09:56.639 like if he did not land with And I say, 199 00:09:56.679 --> 00:10:00.919 this is a fan the most dysfunctional franchise pro football, 200 00:10:01.559 --> 00:10:02.759 and it's been that way. 201 00:10:02.600 --> 00:10:03.440 For a long long time. 202 00:10:03.519 --> 00:10:06.600 And so unfortunately when the owner is just the guy 203 00:10:06.679 --> 00:10:10.840 in charge, because we follow the Golden rule here on 204 00:10:11.279 --> 00:10:12.960 the drive, here on the show, you guys know the 205 00:10:12.960 --> 00:10:15.039 golden rules, say with me out loud, the man with 206 00:10:15.120 --> 00:10:19.240 the gold makes the rules. Ultimately, it's been Woody for 207 00:10:19.279 --> 00:10:21.919 a long long time. People that know Woody Johnson say 208 00:10:21.960 --> 00:10:24.679 he's a sweet man, and that's great. He's a horrible 209 00:10:25.519 --> 00:10:29.799 football owner, a horrible football owner. And you know, there 210 00:10:29.840 --> 00:10:33.840 are a bunch of different examples of this, and namely, 211 00:10:34.200 --> 00:10:37.480 you know, marrying himself to Aaron Rodgers. Because at this 212 00:10:37.519 --> 00:10:39.879 point with the Jets, you have Garrett Wilson, who apparently 213 00:10:39.879 --> 00:10:43.799 wants out. You have Woody Johnson, who's listening to his 214 00:10:44.000 --> 00:10:47.919 sons when they played Madden affect personnel decisions. And you're 215 00:10:47.960 --> 00:10:50.399 married to a quarterback who just released a four part 216 00:10:50.440 --> 00:10:54.399 documentary on Netflix where he's just crushing shrooms and revealing 217 00:10:54.480 --> 00:10:56.000 himself to be a total ass. 218 00:10:56.879 --> 00:10:57.799 And that's what it is. 219 00:10:58.360 --> 00:11:02.879 By the way, teenage sons of Woody Johnson their names 220 00:11:02.879 --> 00:11:04.039 are Brick and Jack. 221 00:11:04.960 --> 00:11:07.519 It sounds like an FM rock show, kind of interesting. 222 00:11:07.720 --> 00:11:09.879 But I wanted to kind of spread this out topically, 223 00:11:09.919 --> 00:11:13.080 do a couple of different things here locally, because right 224 00:11:13.120 --> 00:11:16.120 now I find ourselves to be a really interesting. 225 00:11:15.679 --> 00:11:18.200 Crossroads with the Utah Jazz. 226 00:11:18.279 --> 00:11:21.279 Okay, so if you're a longtime Jazz fan, you know 227 00:11:21.399 --> 00:11:24.799 that for years and years and years, the Jazz had. 228 00:11:24.639 --> 00:11:27.960 One of the more enviable cultures in the entire NBA. 229 00:11:28.120 --> 00:11:30.519 That's not hyperbolic, Okay. 230 00:11:30.559 --> 00:11:34.200 When Greg Popovich was inducted to the Pro Basketball Hall 231 00:11:34.240 --> 00:11:36.399 of Fame, he talked about when he took the job 232 00:11:36.399 --> 00:11:38.240 with the Spurs, he wanted to build the Spurs the 233 00:11:38.240 --> 00:11:42.080 way Jerry Sloan built the Jazz and Greg Popovitch built 234 00:11:42.080 --> 00:11:44.440 a dynasty over the course of six seven, eight years 235 00:11:44.480 --> 00:11:49.440 with Duncan, Jenobli and Parker, multiple titles, multiple NBA Finals runs, 236 00:11:49.519 --> 00:11:53.240 And because of that era of Spurs basketball, I've never 237 00:11:53.279 --> 00:11:55.120 bought it in the whole. Like, it's not possible here 238 00:11:55.159 --> 00:11:58.519 in Utah because San Antonio comparable market. 239 00:11:58.279 --> 00:12:00.159 To Salt Lake. And honestly speaking, if you've ever been 240 00:12:00.159 --> 00:12:02.279 to San Antonio, Salt Lake's a better city. 241 00:12:02.519 --> 00:12:05.159 I'll live here all day, every day, but market size 242 00:12:05.159 --> 00:12:05.879 is pretty similar. 243 00:12:06.600 --> 00:12:07.840 The ownership stuff. 244 00:12:07.639 --> 00:12:10.559 Was pretty similar between the San Antonio ownership and the 245 00:12:10.559 --> 00:12:13.480 way the Millers kind of approached everything. And yes, the 246 00:12:13.559 --> 00:12:16.759 Jazz never won a title, but for the better part 247 00:12:16.840 --> 00:12:20.960 of two decades, this was one of the best cultures coaching, 248 00:12:21.320 --> 00:12:23.879 playing front office in the entire league. 249 00:12:24.600 --> 00:12:27.120 You can ask anybody around Pro basketball back then. 250 00:12:27.200 --> 00:12:30.080 David Stern as the commissioner, I referenced the Spurs the 251 00:12:30.080 --> 00:12:34.159 Synergy's there. Charles Barkley often talked about coach Sloan and 252 00:12:34.240 --> 00:12:35.960 really we should stop here and give a lot of 253 00:12:35.960 --> 00:12:39.080 the credit to the culture that was basically built and 254 00:12:39.120 --> 00:12:41.919 the foundation that was laid from by the Leyden family, 255 00:12:42.240 --> 00:12:44.519 Frank and Scott Laden and then Frank giving it over 256 00:12:44.519 --> 00:12:47.600 to Jerry, and then Jerry took it to places that 257 00:12:47.720 --> 00:12:49.720 a lot of people never thought it could be taken to. 258 00:12:49.799 --> 00:12:50.759 Here in Salt Lake City. 259 00:12:50.919 --> 00:12:54.519 The precipice of Pro basketball championships on a number of 260 00:12:54.519 --> 00:12:56.960 different levels for a number of different years, not just 261 00:12:57.080 --> 00:13:00.679 ninety seven ninety eight. Those teams the nineties had four 262 00:13:00.759 --> 00:13:04.600 or five championship level teams. Michael Jordan ripped rings off 263 00:13:04.639 --> 00:13:08.279 a lot of people's fingers, including Patrick Ewing, including Charles Barkley, 264 00:13:08.320 --> 00:13:12.039 including John Carl and Jerry, including my father. That was 265 00:13:12.080 --> 00:13:13.799 just kind of the deal in the nineties. If you 266 00:13:13.879 --> 00:13:16.080 ran into Mike at that time, he was going to 267 00:13:16.200 --> 00:13:19.519 kill you, slit your throat and watch you bleed out. 268 00:13:19.519 --> 00:13:24.080 Sorry, if that's graphic, but it's undeniable that the. 269 00:13:24.039 --> 00:13:28.039 Stewardship of the Millers for two plus decades built one 270 00:13:28.120 --> 00:13:31.840 of the most incredible cultures and enviable cultures and all 271 00:13:31.840 --> 00:13:34.600 of pro basketball. It also led to winning. It also 272 00:13:34.679 --> 00:13:37.240 led to winning at a very high level. It never 273 00:13:37.320 --> 00:13:39.200 led to a championship, but it led to a lot 274 00:13:39.240 --> 00:13:43.720 of long playoff runs, some NBA Finals appearances, Western Conference championships, 275 00:13:43.759 --> 00:13:47.519 Division championships, fifty plus win season, sixty plus win seasons, 276 00:13:48.000 --> 00:13:52.519 and some of the most precise, precision based basketball that 277 00:13:52.519 --> 00:13:55.600 I've ever seen in my entire life, which leads me 278 00:13:55.799 --> 00:13:58.639 into where we're at now with the new era of 279 00:13:58.799 --> 00:14:02.159 the Utah Jazz, new ownership group led by Ryan Smith 280 00:14:02.679 --> 00:14:07.120 and his investors, a new front office led by Danny 281 00:14:07.200 --> 00:14:10.399 Ainge and his staff, a new coaching staff led by 282 00:14:10.440 --> 00:14:13.159 Will Hardy and his staff, a new group of players 283 00:14:14.240 --> 00:14:19.039 I guess led by Lowry market In, maybe Walker Kessler, 284 00:14:19.080 --> 00:14:23.519 and who knows. And it's just undeniable that for three 285 00:14:23.519 --> 00:14:25.879 and a half years now, as we look back on 286 00:14:25.960 --> 00:14:30.279 Ryan's early tenure, that the results aren't great and we 287 00:14:30.320 --> 00:14:32.519 don't really have a clear direction. I'm not just talking 288 00:14:32.519 --> 00:14:35.480 about wins and losses because there are several layers to 289 00:14:35.519 --> 00:14:38.159 this conversation, and I want to be clear, we're gonna 290 00:14:38.159 --> 00:14:41.759 explore all those levels today. We're gonna talk about exactly 291 00:14:42.240 --> 00:14:44.720 what you have to do to roster construct in twenty 292 00:14:44.759 --> 00:14:48.200 twenty four. That's different than it was in nineteen ninety seven. 293 00:14:48.240 --> 00:14:50.039 I want to be fair here. I never want to 294 00:14:50.039 --> 00:14:52.919 take shots. I want to be fair here. The way 295 00:14:52.919 --> 00:14:56.240 that Danny and Justin and this front office has to 296 00:14:56.279 --> 00:14:59.320 go about roster construction is a little bit different than 297 00:14:59.360 --> 00:15:01.200 you have to in the day, But there are also 298 00:15:01.240 --> 00:15:04.919 a number of similarities. And again, in the name of fairness, 299 00:15:05.360 --> 00:15:06.279 you gotta get lucky. 300 00:15:06.879 --> 00:15:07.799 You gotta get lucky. 301 00:15:08.039 --> 00:15:09.759 I don't even think Frank Laydon would tell you he 302 00:15:09.799 --> 00:15:11.960 thought Carl was gonna be Carl, John was gonna be John. 303 00:15:12.000 --> 00:15:14.480 I don't think Dennis Lindsay will tell you in an 304 00:15:14.480 --> 00:15:17.120 honest moment he thought Donovan would be Donovan and Rudy 305 00:15:17.120 --> 00:15:17.720 would be Rudy. 306 00:15:17.759 --> 00:15:19.360 But we had those players, right. 307 00:15:20.200 --> 00:15:23.720 Maybe Kevin O'Connor saw something Darren that allowed Darren to 308 00:15:23.720 --> 00:15:25.759 be one of the best league guards in pro basketball 309 00:15:25.799 --> 00:15:28.159 here for about four years. But you do have to 310 00:15:28.200 --> 00:15:31.519 have a little luck. But as of right now, if 311 00:15:31.519 --> 00:15:33.519 you analyze who these draft picks have been over the 312 00:15:33.519 --> 00:15:36.960 first couple of years, Walker feels like a win. And 313 00:15:37.000 --> 00:15:40.960 that's about it where you at on Keyante, Poor Taylor 314 00:15:41.000 --> 00:15:45.039 goes down for an injury, Cody Geelee, Isaiah Geelee, Kyle 315 00:15:45.080 --> 00:15:46.559 Philipowski moments here or there. 316 00:15:46.600 --> 00:15:48.480 But there are no success. 317 00:15:48.039 --> 00:15:52.399 Stories as of yet on this roster as it pertains 318 00:15:52.399 --> 00:15:54.879 to the town that's been drafted. And hopefully it changes because, 319 00:15:54.919 --> 00:15:56.480 like I said, this is three and a half years 320 00:15:56.519 --> 00:15:59.559 in and we have what twenty five years issh of 321 00:15:59.600 --> 00:16:03.440 the Miller stewardship, and so they needed time and space. Larry, 322 00:16:03.440 --> 00:16:05.279 as a young owner needed to learn how to do it, 323 00:16:05.320 --> 00:16:06.840 and he did and he was great at it. And 324 00:16:06.840 --> 00:16:10.799 we miss leaders like Larry in this market who at 325 00:16:10.919 --> 00:16:13.919 least was front facing, transparent and honest as opposed to 326 00:16:13.919 --> 00:16:16.320 clandestine and trying to do things behind the scenes and 327 00:16:16.320 --> 00:16:18.919 then sending you a message publicly that really doesn't tell 328 00:16:18.960 --> 00:16:22.799 you exactly what's going on, leading to a lot of questions. 329 00:16:22.840 --> 00:16:24.879 All we can analyze is the product on the floor. 330 00:16:25.000 --> 00:16:27.120 And before we catch a break in the Jazz fifty 331 00:16:27.200 --> 00:16:29.639 Year documentary, Will Hardy turned the camera and said, these 332 00:16:29.639 --> 00:16:34.120 aren't your grandfather's Utah Jazz. My question to you, willis 333 00:16:34.159 --> 00:16:37.440 who are you? Who are the Utah Jazz? Then you're 334 00:16:37.440 --> 00:16:39.919 not winning. You don't have exciting young talent. There are 335 00:16:39.919 --> 00:16:42.080 a ton of questions. So if you tell us that 336 00:16:42.120 --> 00:16:44.679 you're changing things, we're gonna watch to see if you 337 00:16:44.799 --> 00:16:46.519 change it for the better, because the results so far 338 00:16:46.679 --> 00:16:50.120 have just not been good. Gordon Monsel would be good 339 00:16:50.120 --> 00:16:51.960 on this. Today We're gonna be Gordon and today. 340 00:16:51.799 --> 00:16:52.440 Right off the top. 341 00:16:53.120 --> 00:16:54.679 Want to remind you that we're live today at the 342 00:16:54.759 --> 00:16:58.039 road Home, Okay, doing some good this holiday season, asking 343 00:16:58.080 --> 00:16:59.919 for your donations. 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So here's how you donate 372 00:18:30.839 --> 00:18:34.200 five bucks, ten bucks, whatever you can do, no amount 373 00:18:34.200 --> 00:18:38.240 too small. Eighth one, eight one nine seventy three hundred. 374 00:18:38.880 --> 00:18:41.480 That's eight O one seventy three hundred. You can also 375 00:18:41.480 --> 00:18:44.960 go to the road Home dot org slash donate. Our 376 00:18:45.000 --> 00:18:47.200 next guest used to come out here with me every year. 377 00:18:48.119 --> 00:18:49.160 It's been a minute. 378 00:18:49.640 --> 00:18:52.880 Gordon Monson back on the drive on a Thursday. Gordon, 379 00:18:52.920 --> 00:18:53.839 Happy Thursday, sir. 380 00:18:53.880 --> 00:18:54.319 How are you. 381 00:18:55.240 --> 00:18:58.279 I'm doing fine, thanks, Vince say. The road home is 382 00:18:58.279 --> 00:19:01.759 always close close to the heart, you know. I mean, 383 00:19:02.160 --> 00:19:06.039 anybody who goes out there and sees the work that's gone, 384 00:19:06.640 --> 00:19:08.400 I think would be happy to open. 385 00:19:08.119 --> 00:19:10.200 The wallet, no doubt. 386 00:19:10.200 --> 00:19:12.559 And I always have these memories because back in the day, 387 00:19:12.440 --> 00:19:14.599 they don't do this anymore. But back in the day 388 00:19:14.599 --> 00:19:18.359 they used to have like a competition among the stations 389 00:19:18.400 --> 00:19:20.599 as far as who could get the most donations, and 390 00:19:20.640 --> 00:19:22.400 I think they saw that that was probably a little 391 00:19:22.440 --> 00:19:24.359 bit cringey to do, so we don't do it anymore. 392 00:19:24.880 --> 00:19:27.079 But back in the day we used to be neck 393 00:19:27.119 --> 00:19:29.920 and neck with some of the bigger stations, and because 394 00:19:30.000 --> 00:19:35.079 your buddy Spence Equals would roll in last minute and 395 00:19:35.119 --> 00:19:37.440 write a big check and give us credit, we always 396 00:19:37.559 --> 00:19:38.839 shot to the top of the list. 397 00:19:39.000 --> 00:19:40.880 So I was kind of remember that, remember those days, 398 00:19:40.880 --> 00:19:41.559 back in the day. 399 00:19:41.400 --> 00:19:46.480 GORDA, I do remember those days. It was kind of 400 00:19:46.519 --> 00:19:50.519 like it was a friendly competition, and we knew we 401 00:19:50.640 --> 00:19:55.039 knew Spence was coming in with the big ammer, and 402 00:19:55.119 --> 00:19:57.799 so that always gave us a big boose. So we 403 00:19:57.799 --> 00:20:00.160 were grateful to him, and he used to bring like 404 00:20:00.200 --> 00:20:04.079 his entire family down and I have great respect. 405 00:20:03.640 --> 00:20:06.240 For him for that, no doubt, no doubt. 406 00:20:06.279 --> 00:20:08.079 All Right, Gordon, I want to start with you where 407 00:20:08.079 --> 00:20:10.240 I started the show today, because I think you'll be 408 00:20:10.279 --> 00:20:12.920 good with this. And the you know, the sports talk 409 00:20:13.039 --> 00:20:16.200 radio or the sports columnist topic of culture building is 410 00:20:16.240 --> 00:20:18.480 not new and sometimes probably hit over the head a 411 00:20:18.480 --> 00:20:20.640 little bit too much. But there's an article today in 412 00:20:20.680 --> 00:20:26.119 The Athletic about my hapless, hopeless, pathetic New York Football Jets. 413 00:20:26.160 --> 00:20:28.559 And if you think it's bad, it's even worse when 414 00:20:28.599 --> 00:20:32.920 the owner is enlisting the advice of his sons based 415 00:20:32.960 --> 00:20:36.079 off their Madden video game experience to make personnel decision. 416 00:20:36.480 --> 00:20:38.640 They have not been to the playoffs in thirteen years. 417 00:20:38.680 --> 00:20:41.400 They've married themselves to an idiot who wants to go 418 00:20:41.440 --> 00:20:44.279 on Netflix and just smash mushrooms instead of actually be 419 00:20:44.359 --> 00:20:45.200 a serious person. 420 00:20:45.799 --> 00:20:46.480 It is bad. 421 00:20:47.039 --> 00:20:48.799 And so I was thinking about this today from a 422 00:20:48.839 --> 00:20:53.200 local standpoint, Gordon, about the culture that the Miller's built in, 423 00:20:53.440 --> 00:20:56.839 you know, twenty five ish years owning and operating the 424 00:20:56.920 --> 00:20:59.680 Utah Jazz and even though it never led to an 425 00:20:59.720 --> 00:21:03.640 NBA Championship. It was one of the healthiest and most 426 00:21:03.799 --> 00:21:06.960 enviable cultures in all of pro basketball. When Greg Popovich 427 00:21:07.000 --> 00:21:08.880 took the job with San Antonio, he said, I want 428 00:21:08.880 --> 00:21:10.599 to build it the way Jerry built you know, the 429 00:21:10.680 --> 00:21:13.920 Utah Jazz. And look, I'm not saying what Ryan has 430 00:21:13.920 --> 00:21:16.559 done so far is either good or bad. We don't know, 431 00:21:16.640 --> 00:21:18.599 but it is different. Over the course of three and 432 00:21:18.640 --> 00:21:21.359 a half years, Larry, you knew him well, was. 433 00:21:21.319 --> 00:21:23.559 Front facing, authentic and honest. 434 00:21:23.839 --> 00:21:26.000 Ryan seems to prefer to do a lot of his 435 00:21:26.079 --> 00:21:30.079 business behind the scenes and in more of a clandestine way. 436 00:21:30.079 --> 00:21:31.599 That leads to a lot of questions. 437 00:21:31.640 --> 00:21:34.240 And then we'll get an occasional puff piece from his 438 00:21:34.240 --> 00:21:36.279 PR team that they give to ESPN. But we don't 439 00:21:36.319 --> 00:21:39.759 really know this group the way that we all knew 440 00:21:39.839 --> 00:21:41.680 the Millers. And again, I want to be clear, it's 441 00:21:41.720 --> 00:21:44.759 not good or bad, it's just different. But from your seat, 442 00:21:44.799 --> 00:21:47.440 the way the Millers built this thing up over the 443 00:21:47.480 --> 00:21:49.920 course of twenty five years, juxtaposed to the way that 444 00:21:50.079 --> 00:21:52.319 Ryan approaches it and his group over the course of 445 00:21:52.400 --> 00:21:53.240 about three and a half. 446 00:21:54.839 --> 00:21:57.519 Well, when it comes to culture and you bring up 447 00:21:57.519 --> 00:21:59.599 the Jets, I mean it's not who you say you are. 448 00:22:00.119 --> 00:22:00.920 You are right. 449 00:22:01.720 --> 00:22:05.000 That's what builds the culture, right. And I had great 450 00:22:05.039 --> 00:22:08.640 respect for Larry and for his you know, it was 451 00:22:08.680 --> 00:22:11.279 funny because if you used to talk to him all 452 00:22:11.279 --> 00:22:13.599 the time, you know, and he would say things that 453 00:22:13.680 --> 00:22:16.640 you would think, Okay, that's unusual for an owner to say, 454 00:22:16.920 --> 00:22:19.039 but you knew where it was coming from. It was 455 00:22:19.160 --> 00:22:23.240 coming from deep inside that vast brain of his. And 456 00:22:23.400 --> 00:22:26.599 he was honest in what he said. And I think 457 00:22:26.640 --> 00:22:30.000 there is a great blessing to that kind of transparency, 458 00:22:30.400 --> 00:22:32.160 even though every once in a while you might hear 459 00:22:32.200 --> 00:22:35.839 something you don't like Ryan, I still haven't figured out 460 00:22:35.920 --> 00:22:38.319 to say the truth. When he first came in, I 461 00:22:38.960 --> 00:22:41.440 sat down with him and we talked for maybe an 462 00:22:41.480 --> 00:22:43.119 hour and a half or so, and I did a 463 00:22:43.119 --> 00:22:47.799 big kind of lifetime feature on him. And when I 464 00:22:47.839 --> 00:22:49.960 do that, I usually feel like, Okay, I have a 465 00:22:49.960 --> 00:22:53.200 pretty good idea who this guy is. I'm still not 466 00:22:53.279 --> 00:22:56.559 sure about Ryan Smith. I'm not quite sure. 467 00:22:56.640 --> 00:22:57.200 Who he is. 468 00:22:57.680 --> 00:23:00.559 And maybe those who are closest to him know that. 469 00:23:01.039 --> 00:23:04.559 But based on what we've seen, certainly out of the 470 00:23:04.599 --> 00:23:08.480 culture that's being built with the jazz, that's a big 471 00:23:08.480 --> 00:23:11.319 old question mark. Right now. I mean, we've seen what's 472 00:23:11.359 --> 00:23:14.599 happened with that team. You and I have watched it closely, 473 00:23:15.039 --> 00:23:18.799 and we have asked questions and we're still asking questions. 474 00:23:19.039 --> 00:23:21.720 You know they were going to tank. Why didn't they tank? 475 00:23:21.759 --> 00:23:26.119 I'm a go. It's really your options are limited in 476 00:23:26.160 --> 00:23:29.279 the NBA, As you know, Svince, when it comes to rebuilding, 477 00:23:29.680 --> 00:23:31.519 you don't have a lot of choice unless you get 478 00:23:31.559 --> 00:23:36.640 extremely lucky. And the Jazz have sent mixed messages that way. 479 00:23:37.119 --> 00:23:40.359 And so if that's what you mean by building a culture, 480 00:23:41.200 --> 00:23:43.759 I think what Ryan has built is very much in 481 00:23:43.880 --> 00:23:44.720 question right now. 482 00:23:45.200 --> 00:23:45.400 Yeah. 483 00:23:45.440 --> 00:23:47.200 And also I want to follow up because I want 484 00:23:47.200 --> 00:23:48.599 to be very fair here, and you bring up a 485 00:23:48.599 --> 00:23:51.000 really good point because and we're going to discuss this 486 00:23:51.079 --> 00:23:53.920 rough other the course of the show. There is a 487 00:23:54.000 --> 00:23:56.559 little bit of a different approach with the modern day 488 00:23:56.599 --> 00:24:00.839 and age of roster construction. What Danny and and Justin 489 00:24:01.440 --> 00:24:03.319 are tasked with is a little bit different than what 490 00:24:03.440 --> 00:24:07.200 Scotty Layden was tasked with, or Kevin O'Connor or Dennis Lindsay. 491 00:24:07.240 --> 00:24:10.160 But you bring up the luck portion, and not even 492 00:24:10.200 --> 00:24:12.960 Frank Laden himself, God Bless the legend, would tell you 493 00:24:13.000 --> 00:24:15.000 that he knew John was gonna be John and Carl 494 00:24:15.079 --> 00:24:15.759 was gonna be Carl. 495 00:24:16.720 --> 00:24:18.599 Kevin O'Connor, I doubt knew that. 496 00:24:19.119 --> 00:24:21.640 You know, Darren was gonna be well, maybe Darren because 497 00:24:21.640 --> 00:24:22.680 he was like a top three guy. 498 00:24:22.720 --> 00:24:25.720 But Dennis Lindsay has said to me and you as. 499 00:24:25.599 --> 00:24:28.000 Well before, no idea Donovan was gonna be Donovan and 500 00:24:28.039 --> 00:24:30.640 Rudy was gonna be Rudy. You know, the O'Connor stuff 501 00:24:30.680 --> 00:24:33.599 is different because he drafts Darren early, he hits on that, 502 00:24:33.799 --> 00:24:36.240 he signs Booze and o'currance. So that's a great group, 503 00:24:36.279 --> 00:24:38.400 and Kevin did a hell of a job. But you 504 00:24:38.480 --> 00:24:41.839 reference to luck portion and as of right now what 505 00:24:41.880 --> 00:24:45.400 we have as far as the three year sample size 506 00:24:45.960 --> 00:24:49.000 of talent that has been acquired via draft, I think 507 00:24:49.519 --> 00:24:52.000 Walker Kesseler is probably the best news. But if you 508 00:24:52.000 --> 00:24:54.599 go down the list, Taylor Hendricks is hurt, Keyante George 509 00:24:54.599 --> 00:24:58.279 looks like he's miscast. Bryce Sensibah not unclear if he's 510 00:24:58.440 --> 00:25:01.759 even a rotational piece. Kyle Philipowski a couple of things 511 00:25:01.799 --> 00:25:04.559 here there. Isaiah call you're nothing really. Cody Williams is 512 00:25:04.559 --> 00:25:06.839 in the G League, and all we have as far 513 00:25:06.880 --> 00:25:09.039 as the data so far is that the team has 514 00:25:09.039 --> 00:25:12.680 not won anything even close to, you know, a high 515 00:25:12.720 --> 00:25:16.119 level type situation. They're not close to the postseason and Gordon, 516 00:25:16.160 --> 00:25:18.400 there's an argument to be made that there's like one 517 00:25:18.519 --> 00:25:21.960 young player on the team that provides consistent hope to 518 00:25:21.960 --> 00:25:24.440 the point that you think he's a rotational player. So 519 00:25:24.880 --> 00:25:27.640 the luck or whatever you want to call it, that 520 00:25:27.839 --> 00:25:31.160 potentially Frank and Scott had with John carl or Dennis 521 00:25:31.160 --> 00:25:34.559 Haad with Rudy and Donovan has not manifested itself so far. 522 00:25:34.680 --> 00:25:36.960 But is it only luck or is it a failure 523 00:25:36.960 --> 00:25:39.000 to do your job as a talent evaluator. 524 00:25:39.759 --> 00:25:41.400 I think it's a little bit of both. And as 525 00:25:41.519 --> 00:25:43.160 was the case when I did the show with you 526 00:25:43.240 --> 00:25:45.519 for all those years, I can't say it any better 527 00:25:45.559 --> 00:25:48.720 than you just did. I think you put a rap 528 00:25:48.799 --> 00:25:51.799 on it perfectly, and I think that that is an issue. 529 00:25:51.799 --> 00:25:55.519 It's funny you bring up Frank for Frank saying, hey, 530 00:25:55.519 --> 00:25:58.359 if we knew, if we knew these guys Stockton Malone 531 00:25:58.440 --> 00:25:59.960 was going to be as good as they ended up, 532 00:26:00.000 --> 00:26:02.519 I mean we would have moved up to draft them. 533 00:26:02.640 --> 00:26:05.559 You know, they did not know, but they did get 534 00:26:05.640 --> 00:26:08.160 lucky and When I talked to Phil Johnson about this, 535 00:26:08.480 --> 00:26:10.799 I'll never forget what he said. He said he hit 536 00:26:10.880 --> 00:26:14.640 the luckword hard, and I do believe there is a 537 00:26:14.680 --> 00:26:18.519 part of that. But in a market like ours here, 538 00:26:18.599 --> 00:26:21.359 and this may or may not be fair, it isn't fair. 539 00:26:21.440 --> 00:26:23.960 Let's come right out and say it. You've got to 540 00:26:24.000 --> 00:26:27.680 be smarter than the rest of the guys. You've got 541 00:26:27.720 --> 00:26:30.000 to be smarter in order because you can't make up 542 00:26:30.039 --> 00:26:34.319 for your mistakes by being a destination team. And so 543 00:26:34.720 --> 00:26:37.599 these guys have to get their picks right there are 544 00:26:38.079 --> 00:26:42.400 there is talent available later in the draft, as mister 545 00:26:44.039 --> 00:26:48.759 as the Joker himself in Denver has proved that there 546 00:26:48.839 --> 00:26:51.599 is talent out there, it's just hard to get. And 547 00:26:51.759 --> 00:26:54.000 the Jazz have to be smarter. They have to be 548 00:26:54.079 --> 00:26:58.000 smarter than they've been, both from a philosophical standpoint and 549 00:26:58.119 --> 00:27:01.759 from a selection standpoint. Everybody praised them when they got 550 00:27:02.160 --> 00:27:04.799 all the draft picks for Rudy and all this stuff, 551 00:27:05.079 --> 00:27:08.480 and okay, but what are the draft picks turning into Spence? 552 00:27:09.480 --> 00:27:11.599 Not so great so far as you point it out. 553 00:27:12.119 --> 00:27:15.039 So I mean, I know there are those on the 554 00:27:15.039 --> 00:27:17.759 inside who say that what the Jazz were with the 555 00:27:17.799 --> 00:27:21.559 enovated Rudy it wasn't gonna work moving forward, well, it 556 00:27:21.559 --> 00:27:23.759 would have been a whole lot better, whole. 557 00:27:23.640 --> 00:27:26.279 Hell of a lot beer for people that are listening 558 00:27:26.359 --> 00:27:28.480 that may be work over at the old spot. 559 00:27:28.880 --> 00:27:30.119 I love the Utah Jazz. 560 00:27:30.559 --> 00:27:33.200 In this job, you have to be agnostic, and Gordon, 561 00:27:33.279 --> 00:27:35.519 you taught me as much as anybody did about that. 562 00:27:36.359 --> 00:27:37.759 I care about the Utah Jazz. 563 00:27:37.839 --> 00:27:40.720 I want nothing more than in five years from now 564 00:27:41.279 --> 00:27:43.079 to and again, I want to be clear about today. 565 00:27:43.119 --> 00:27:44.759 I'm not saying it's good or bad, it's just different. 566 00:27:44.799 --> 00:27:47.079 But I want to be proven wrong, you know. And 567 00:27:47.119 --> 00:27:49.640 if the starting front court Gordon in three years is 568 00:27:49.720 --> 00:27:52.680 Lowry Market and Cooper Flag and aj Debantza all eat 569 00:27:52.720 --> 00:27:57.599 some crow, okay, happily. 570 00:27:57.279 --> 00:28:00.359 So right, absolutely absolutely all right. 571 00:28:00.359 --> 00:28:02.839 Away from that for a moment, over to some college football. 572 00:28:02.920 --> 00:28:06.480 Since since you and I last spoke, Isaac Wilson, who 573 00:28:06.559 --> 00:28:09.359 hit the transfer portal to potentially look at playing at 574 00:28:09.359 --> 00:28:12.480 other places, ends up back where he started. And I 575 00:28:12.519 --> 00:28:14.480 gotta say, Gordon, I give him a lot of credit 576 00:28:14.519 --> 00:28:17.400 for wanting to compete. I got to be clear, I 577 00:28:17.440 --> 00:28:19.400 do not know what the status is of his knee. 578 00:28:19.440 --> 00:28:21.880 We got to remember that he hurt his knee, and 579 00:28:21.960 --> 00:28:25.079 so will he be ready to compete come springball. I'm 580 00:28:25.119 --> 00:28:27.680 not sure. And it does feel like Devin Danpierre is 581 00:28:27.720 --> 00:28:30.200 going to be the starting quarterback no matter what. But 582 00:28:30.319 --> 00:28:32.759 what are your thoughts on Isaac entering the transfer portal 583 00:28:32.799 --> 00:28:35.200 and essentially decided to come back to play for the Utes. 584 00:28:36.200 --> 00:28:38.400 Well, let me start a little broader than that, and 585 00:28:38.400 --> 00:28:42.079 I'll get to that specifically. But what did Kyle say 586 00:28:42.759 --> 00:28:45.400 at the end of the season. He said, essentially, Hey man, 587 00:28:45.759 --> 00:28:47.640 we're going to go out and we're going to sign 588 00:28:47.640 --> 00:28:49.680 a bunch of guys. We're going to get a bunch 589 00:28:49.680 --> 00:28:52.400 of guys. What didn't he say? I think he said 590 00:28:52.599 --> 00:28:56.119 they were looking at to get forty some guys and 591 00:28:56.240 --> 00:28:58.799 half of those would come through the transfer. What are 592 00:28:58.839 --> 00:29:01.799 they at now about pen you know? And so they 593 00:29:01.880 --> 00:29:05.079 are changing it up because Kyle sees the need to 594 00:29:05.200 --> 00:29:08.400 do that. You compare that with like, BYU, what is 595 00:29:08.440 --> 00:29:12.039 BYU gotten so far in the transfer one? I think 596 00:29:12.079 --> 00:29:15.440 they've gotten one new guy, you know, and it came 597 00:29:15.440 --> 00:29:19.519 from Utah Ryan to tight End yep. So, so the 598 00:29:19.559 --> 00:29:22.839 youths are going about their business exactly the way. I 599 00:29:22.839 --> 00:29:25.559 don't forget everybody they wanted to. But they're doing what 600 00:29:25.640 --> 00:29:28.920 Kyle said they would do. As far as Isaac Wilson goes. 601 00:29:28.920 --> 00:29:32.079 You know, Isaac is a really interesting case. I'm not sure. 602 00:29:32.799 --> 00:29:37.559 You know, Zach Wilson was crazy for football, and I 603 00:29:37.559 --> 00:29:39.799 hope I'm not misstating this, but I'm not sure that 604 00:29:39.920 --> 00:29:43.680 Isaac Wilson is crazy for football so his brother was. 605 00:29:45.799 --> 00:29:47.839 That's just the way it seems to being with the 606 00:29:47.880 --> 00:29:51.240 whispers I've heard around him. Does he have talent, Yeah, 607 00:29:51.240 --> 00:29:54.720 he has talent, has a live arm, and yeah, I'd 608 00:29:54.839 --> 00:29:57.079 like guys who are willing to compete for their job. 609 00:29:57.319 --> 00:30:01.359 Everyone's making a big deal over this, damnperia and Kyle 610 00:30:01.440 --> 00:30:06.000 has always talked about the usefulness of a dual threat quarterback. 611 00:30:06.519 --> 00:30:11.200 But can Isaac Wilson be that? I don't know. I 612 00:30:11.240 --> 00:30:13.960 don't know. I don't think he's as good as Zach was, 613 00:30:14.319 --> 00:30:16.359 but I think he's got a live arm and I 614 00:30:16.359 --> 00:30:18.839 think he's a piece of the athlete. Is his care 615 00:30:18.920 --> 00:30:22.200 factor crazy for football? I'm not sure of that. I'm 616 00:30:22.200 --> 00:30:24.880 not convinced of that either. But what we saw this 617 00:30:25.000 --> 00:30:28.279 last season isn't really fair to him. I don't think 618 00:30:28.359 --> 00:30:31.519 you don't just throw a kid in like that right 619 00:30:31.599 --> 00:30:33.920 near the beginning of a season and expect him to 620 00:30:34.599 --> 00:30:39.000 be completely polished. So you wait to see. I wouldn't 621 00:30:39.000 --> 00:30:41.680 be surprised if we see a whole lot more of 622 00:30:41.720 --> 00:30:43.440 Isaac Wilson at Utah. 623 00:30:43.640 --> 00:30:45.480 So, according to the dad I have in front of me, 624 00:30:45.599 --> 00:30:49.359 ten additions to the transfer portal from the youth so far. 625 00:30:49.920 --> 00:30:52.519 Cameron Calhoun announced that he's had to di Alabama, which 626 00:30:52.519 --> 00:30:54.519 is a big time gut punch, And there are a 627 00:30:54.559 --> 00:30:56.680 bunch of other players still in the transfer portal that 628 00:30:56.759 --> 00:30:59.920 have not landed in a spot. You reference Carson Ryan 629 00:31:00.000 --> 00:31:02.000 and who's headed to Brigham Young And then we'll get 630 00:31:02.000 --> 00:31:03.799 to the BYU side of this in just a moment. 631 00:31:03.920 --> 00:31:06.160 But Gordon, I haven't talked to you about the dynamic. 632 00:31:07.000 --> 00:31:09.839 I mean, it's a statement and a testament to the 633 00:31:09.880 --> 00:31:12.720 power of the game of college football, in the product 634 00:31:12.799 --> 00:31:16.359 of college football that a business that is run by 635 00:31:16.400 --> 00:31:19.799 a confederacy of dunces continues to bring in the consumer. 636 00:31:19.480 --> 00:31:20.319 Numbers that it does. 637 00:31:20.799 --> 00:31:24.480 I can't believe that the transfer portal is open when 638 00:31:24.519 --> 00:31:27.079 coaches are trying to win national championships. Can you imagine 639 00:31:27.079 --> 00:31:29.640 if the NFL playoffs are about to start. Lamar Jackson 640 00:31:29.720 --> 00:31:33.200 was like, yeah, I'm out, just so you know, Like 641 00:31:33.319 --> 00:31:38.039 it's so it's beyond stupid, and it's even dumber that 642 00:31:38.119 --> 00:31:40.480 the idiots in the room haven't done anything about this. 643 00:31:40.559 --> 00:31:42.640 And every time I hear like, I feel horrible for 644 00:31:42.680 --> 00:31:45.839 these coaches that are in the twelve team CFP or 645 00:31:45.920 --> 00:31:48.759 even in the Alamo Bowl like Brigham Young that have 646 00:31:48.839 --> 00:31:51.480 to run a practice and then finish practice and go 647 00:31:51.559 --> 00:31:54.359 to damage control to make sure their players are gonna 648 00:31:54.359 --> 00:31:55.480 actually play for them. 649 00:31:55.559 --> 00:31:56.359 Like, what's your. 650 00:31:56.240 --> 00:31:59.319 Thought on this dynamic of essentially having free agency during 651 00:31:59.359 --> 00:31:59.839 the season. 652 00:32:00.720 --> 00:32:04.839 Yeah, it's chaotic. They need to do something about that. 653 00:32:05.039 --> 00:32:07.079 And at least the teams that are in the College 654 00:32:07.079 --> 00:32:10.799 Football playoff have something to play for, you know. I 655 00:32:10.839 --> 00:32:14.759 mean when Deon Sanders said that his stars were going 656 00:32:14.799 --> 00:32:17.559 to play against BYU and the Alamo Bowl, I mean 657 00:32:17.599 --> 00:32:21.359 a lot of people were shocked by that. That's what 658 00:32:21.440 --> 00:32:23.720 he said. We'll see if it actually happens that way, 659 00:32:24.240 --> 00:32:27.640 but with these bowl games, be I don't want to 660 00:32:27.680 --> 00:32:29.839 call it a meaningless but it seems like that's what 661 00:32:29.880 --> 00:32:33.279 they've turned into. Unless you're in the playoffs. I mean, 662 00:32:34.119 --> 00:32:36.559 if I'm a player I may be looking at for 663 00:32:36.640 --> 00:32:40.039 my best interests in front of the team's interests if 664 00:32:40.039 --> 00:32:44.119 they're playing and you know, the tidy Bowl down in 665 00:32:44.160 --> 00:32:49.240 some small town in the South somewhere. But I agree 666 00:32:49.279 --> 00:32:51.279 with you. I mean, look, you could find some way 667 00:32:51.279 --> 00:32:54.119 to organize this. And there's a whole lot of organizing 668 00:32:54.160 --> 00:32:57.559 that needs to take place in college football and college 669 00:32:57.599 --> 00:33:01.640 basketball for that matter these days. Maybe revenue sharing will 670 00:33:01.680 --> 00:33:04.400 help that, but it's not going to solve it. There's 671 00:33:04.440 --> 00:33:06.559 going and with all the things that are out there 672 00:33:06.599 --> 00:33:09.160 that are about to be added to the college game, 673 00:33:09.599 --> 00:33:12.839 with more money pouring in and pouring in, it's like 674 00:33:12.920 --> 00:33:16.039 you said, it's like the fools are getting richer and 675 00:33:16.119 --> 00:33:19.680 richer because there's more and more money being invested all 676 00:33:19.759 --> 00:33:20.160 right over. 677 00:33:20.079 --> 00:33:22.119 To the BYU side of things. According to the data 678 00:33:22.200 --> 00:33:24.000 have in front of me. Maybe I should just ask Crittle. 679 00:33:24.000 --> 00:33:28.799 Here is Chase Roberts coming back? Okay, okay, I've got 680 00:33:28.799 --> 00:33:30.480 a BYU host next to me. I should just tap 681 00:33:30.519 --> 00:33:33.559 into his knowledge. Eleven BYU players in the portal as 682 00:33:33.599 --> 00:33:36.799 of now. The one player they picked up was Carson Ryan. 683 00:33:37.279 --> 00:33:40.200 But Chase Roberts did some media after practice and it 684 00:33:40.279 --> 00:33:43.359 said he's going to announce his intention via social. 685 00:33:43.079 --> 00:33:44.000 Media this week. 686 00:33:44.400 --> 00:33:46.640 You know, we have this really fun matchup with Chase 687 00:33:46.640 --> 00:33:48.720 against Travis Hunter coming up in the Alima Bowl that 688 00:33:48.759 --> 00:33:51.400 we all kind of want to watch. And Chase I 689 00:33:51.480 --> 00:33:53.039 love what he said this week. He said, I'm gonna 690 00:33:53.039 --> 00:33:55.039 find him and follow him, so he has to cover me. 691 00:33:55.799 --> 00:33:56.599 So that's kind of. 692 00:33:56.519 --> 00:33:58.039 The white whale out there right now. 693 00:33:58.160 --> 00:34:01.160 BYU again one edition eleven players have left and we're 694 00:34:01.200 --> 00:34:04.440 waiting on Chase Roberts. But you know, Klonie, well, how 695 00:34:04.440 --> 00:34:07.079 do you think he's traversing because they're not in the CFP. 696 00:34:07.240 --> 00:34:08.920 But it's an awesome ball game. They're gonna get like 697 00:34:08.960 --> 00:34:11.159 six mil I think is a payout and Kilanie's got 698 00:34:11.199 --> 00:34:12.920 to deal with the same stuff with the game coming 699 00:34:12.960 --> 00:34:13.760 up on Saturday. 700 00:34:14.960 --> 00:34:17.440 Yeah, a lot of people are wondering where are all 701 00:34:17.480 --> 00:34:21.079 the transfers for BYU Yu had a pretty good year. 702 00:34:21.480 --> 00:34:23.320 I don't know if the need is as great for 703 00:34:23.440 --> 00:34:25.840 them as it is for some other teams to make 704 00:34:25.880 --> 00:34:28.320 a whole lot of moves. But Chase Roberts is a 705 00:34:28.360 --> 00:34:31.159 guy you've got to hold on to. If this guy 706 00:34:31.239 --> 00:34:34.639 sticks around, he's going to be in a very strong 707 00:34:34.679 --> 00:34:37.079 receiving Core. He's going to be the star. 708 00:34:37.519 --> 00:34:38.599 Yep, the star. 709 00:34:39.280 --> 00:34:42.639 They will utilize him in a way that they utilize 710 00:34:42.679 --> 00:34:45.159 him a lot this last year, nothing compared to what 711 00:34:45.239 --> 00:34:48.559 he'll be next season if he stays at BYU. And 712 00:34:48.599 --> 00:34:52.039 if I'm Jake Ritz laugh, I'm talking to him aag. 713 00:34:52.679 --> 00:34:57.480 I'll give you the ball every other down. Come on 714 00:34:57.599 --> 00:35:00.079 back because I need you to come back. And I 715 00:35:00.079 --> 00:35:02.320 I kind of agree with Ben. I think he will 716 00:35:02.320 --> 00:35:05.800 come back. But we've all been shocked before. But he's 717 00:35:05.840 --> 00:35:10.880 a clutch receiver, he's got great size. He's a guy 718 00:35:10.920 --> 00:35:14.280 that I think can improve his drafstock if he stinks around. 719 00:35:14.920 --> 00:35:16.119 So it was announced. 720 00:35:16.119 --> 00:35:17.519 I don't think I talked to you about this, and 721 00:35:17.559 --> 00:35:20.079 of course it's BYU, so we don't know all the details. 722 00:35:20.159 --> 00:35:23.079 Kolonie given his extension, and you know I was thinking 723 00:35:23.119 --> 00:35:25.960 about this, and because you know him well, I want 724 00:35:25.960 --> 00:35:28.360 to get your thoughts on it. The one job I 725 00:35:28.360 --> 00:35:33.199 think Kilanie might leave BYU fours USC and Lincoln Riley's 726 00:35:33.199 --> 00:35:36.960 buyout is like seventy million dollars or something like that, 727 00:35:37.400 --> 00:35:41.360 which is just insane. That's the nature of college football coaching. 728 00:35:41.440 --> 00:35:44.480 And again, Colonie just got extended. But do you think 729 00:35:44.559 --> 00:35:46.719 if that job came open and the powers to be 730 00:35:46.760 --> 00:35:49.280 at Southern cal decided to call down to provo, Colonie 731 00:35:49.280 --> 00:35:49.960 answers the phone. 732 00:35:51.840 --> 00:35:54.880 Yes, he answers the phone. I'll say it this way, 733 00:35:55.079 --> 00:35:58.079 and I'm not going to quote Kilane in any way here, 734 00:35:58.440 --> 00:36:00.840 but I do know him well, and I think he's 735 00:36:00.920 --> 00:36:04.239 been somewhat pissed off about the amount that he's gotten 736 00:36:04.519 --> 00:36:07.519 in the past. I do not know the details of 737 00:36:07.599 --> 00:36:12.119 this particular extension. My guess would be that it was 738 00:36:12.360 --> 00:36:17.960 enhanced substantially. But I'll go back and quote what gorbe 739 00:36:18.000 --> 00:36:21.280 Chow said many years ago when I was talking to him, 740 00:36:21.559 --> 00:36:24.440 and of course he was the offensive coordinator down at Troy. 741 00:36:25.480 --> 00:36:31.559 He said, quote, USC gets what USC wants, and yeah, 742 00:36:31.599 --> 00:36:34.039 so I think Klowane would pick up the phone and 743 00:36:34.119 --> 00:36:36.960 see what that is all about. Although I see right now, 744 00:36:37.079 --> 00:36:40.320 I mean that's not the USC that I remember it. 745 00:36:40.880 --> 00:36:46.039 They seem to be in some what of a pile 746 00:36:46.079 --> 00:36:50.000 of turmoil right now. They have players who are abandoned 747 00:36:50.199 --> 00:36:54.079 that program. And so if i'm if I'm the powers 748 00:36:54.119 --> 00:36:56.360 that be a USC, I would be very interested in 749 00:36:56.400 --> 00:36:59.639 a guy like Klannie Sataki. They need to do something 750 00:36:59.679 --> 00:37:02.039 because so what they're doing right now is very much 751 00:37:03.239 --> 00:37:04.039 hanging in the air. 752 00:37:04.960 --> 00:37:05.360 Gordo. 753 00:37:05.719 --> 00:37:08.760 I gotta say, I got your family Christmas card in 754 00:37:08.800 --> 00:37:11.119 the mail last night, so thank you so much. Everybody 755 00:37:11.159 --> 00:37:14.039 looks like they're thriving and doing well, so I'll set 756 00:37:14.079 --> 00:37:16.400 you loose, but happy holidays to you and Lis and 757 00:37:16.440 --> 00:37:16.840 the girls. 758 00:37:16.840 --> 00:37:19.480 And you know, only love from this direction to you guys, Hope. 759 00:37:19.480 --> 00:37:22.840 You know that well what they do, know that there's 760 00:37:22.880 --> 00:37:25.400 nothing but the admiration in our family for you. And 761 00:37:25.760 --> 00:37:29.480 I'll say that on a professional level. On a personal level, 762 00:37:29.800 --> 00:37:32.719 nothing belove in this direction too, Spett, thanks for having 763 00:37:32.760 --> 00:37:32.960 me on. 764 00:37:33.039 --> 00:37:36.239 Okay, Gordo, Happy holidays, my man Gordon Monson from the 765 00:37:36.239 --> 00:37:39.760 Solid Tribune, my long time radio partner. We're live today 766 00:37:39.800 --> 00:37:44.639 at the road Home. Hope I say this correctly, Keegan Kalchman, right, Hey, oh, 767 00:37:44.639 --> 00:37:46.480 you know, we're gonna try that again. I usually have 768 00:37:46.480 --> 00:37:48.960 an engineer, but I'm doing all this myself and I'm 769 00:37:48.960 --> 00:37:50.440 the wrong guy to do so let's try that again. 770 00:37:50.639 --> 00:37:50.960 Yeah. 771 00:37:51.239 --> 00:37:53.119 Hey, there we go, Keegan. How are I man? 772 00:37:53.199 --> 00:37:53.760 I'm doing well. 773 00:37:53.760 --> 00:37:54.599 How are you? I'm well? 774 00:37:54.639 --> 00:37:56.840 Thanks again for having us out. I was referencing earlier. 775 00:37:56.840 --> 00:37:59.559 This is my nineteenth year doing this and a couple 776 00:37:59.599 --> 00:38:02.920 of different by sixth here back at this station. So 777 00:38:03.559 --> 00:38:05.320 I love what we do here. It's one of my 778 00:38:05.400 --> 00:38:08.320 favorite projects. You know that the station allows us to do. 779 00:38:08.400 --> 00:38:10.079 What do you want our listeners to know? Right out 780 00:38:10.079 --> 00:38:10.519 of the gates? 781 00:38:10.800 --> 00:38:13.760 Oh gosh, you guys just donate, donate, donate, We need. 782 00:38:13.639 --> 00:38:15.639 It and that's it. 783 00:38:16.039 --> 00:38:16.480 Yeah. 784 00:38:16.559 --> 00:38:18.079 What do you do here, Kegan? What's your role? 785 00:38:18.480 --> 00:38:21.599 I'm the support of services manager here, so I oversee 786 00:38:21.639 --> 00:38:24.519 all of our case managers who are working with our 787 00:38:24.559 --> 00:38:29.000 families to get people into housing out of their homeless situation. 788 00:38:29.159 --> 00:38:30.599 So here's what you do you dal eight oh one 789 00:38:30.719 --> 00:38:32.639 eight one nine seventy three hundred. You can go to 790 00:38:32.679 --> 00:38:35.320 the roadhome dot org slash donate. So, I guess I'll 791 00:38:35.320 --> 00:38:38.079 ask you this, Kegan. What we're our listeners' donations. What 792 00:38:38.079 --> 00:38:39.039 do you guys do with the money? 793 00:38:39.760 --> 00:38:43.280 So the money, it goes to the nonprofit as a whole, 794 00:38:43.280 --> 00:38:45.039 and from there we distribute it out to all of 795 00:38:45.079 --> 00:38:48.800 our different programs. Our physical donations they go to all 796 00:38:48.840 --> 00:38:52.880 of our different warehouses at our different shelters. But ultimately, 797 00:38:52.880 --> 00:38:54.599 at the end of the day, all of these donations 798 00:38:54.639 --> 00:38:56.480 they make their way to the clients and they make 799 00:38:56.480 --> 00:38:57.719 their way to the people who need it. 800 00:38:57.679 --> 00:39:00.559 Most physical donations. What are you guys looking for this year? 801 00:39:00.719 --> 00:39:03.360 Oh gosh, I mean I work at the Family Shelter, 802 00:39:03.480 --> 00:39:07.639 so we're always looking for diapers, We're looking for kids clothes, 803 00:39:07.679 --> 00:39:11.639 We're looking for uh, we're looking for coats, especially this 804 00:39:11.760 --> 00:39:13.719 time of year. We're looking for that sort of thing. 805 00:39:15.800 --> 00:39:18.159 In addition to that, you know, we also always need 806 00:39:18.199 --> 00:39:20.480 socks and underwear. Those are the things that seem to 807 00:39:20.519 --> 00:39:22.519 run out the fastest and are the things that people 808 00:39:22.599 --> 00:39:23.000 need most. 809 00:39:23.159 --> 00:39:25.239 Right on and give me a quick I don't know 810 00:39:25.239 --> 00:39:27.079 if it's a list or wherever. If people want to 811 00:39:27.119 --> 00:39:30.039 physically donate the items instead of call, where's the best 812 00:39:30.039 --> 00:39:30.920 place to drop them off? 813 00:39:31.119 --> 00:39:33.360 The best place to drop them off is here at 814 00:39:33.760 --> 00:39:38.840 five twenty nine West ninth Avenue, Midvale, Utah. That's where 815 00:39:38.880 --> 00:39:41.599 we're doing a donation drive right now. 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And we are 837 00:40:44.960 --> 00:40:47.320 live today at the road Home asking for donations at 838 00:40:47.320 --> 00:40:49.719 eight one eight one nine seventy three hundred. 839 00:40:50.119 --> 00:40:51.360 Donate a little cash that way. 840 00:40:51.360 --> 00:40:53.840 If you want to donate some gently used goods itams 841 00:40:53.880 --> 00:40:58.440 like coats and and uh beanies as well as socks 842 00:40:58.440 --> 00:41:01.320 and gloves. Come on by the Connie Crosby Family Resource 843 00:41:01.360 --> 00:41:04.920 Center at five nine nine seventy three hundred south in 844 00:41:05.079 --> 00:41:08.599 Midvale Utah. Our next guest, you know him, you love him, 845 00:41:08.639 --> 00:41:10.559 is the TV voice of the Utah Jazz Live in 846 00:41:11.159 --> 00:41:13.719 the Motor City, Craig Bowler. Jack I believe is where 847 00:41:13.719 --> 00:41:14.400 we find you, sir. 848 00:41:14.400 --> 00:41:17.119 How are you, hey, Spath. I'm doing well. 849 00:41:17.199 --> 00:41:19.480 Actually, you just caught me in the media press room 850 00:41:19.480 --> 00:41:22.880 at Little Caesars Arena, so big T just went back 851 00:41:22.920 --> 00:41:24.639 for his third helping. So that's kind of the night 852 00:41:24.639 --> 00:41:25.079 we're having. 853 00:41:25.280 --> 00:41:27.000 There you go, there, you go, and you know what 854 00:41:27.039 --> 00:41:29.480 you get, you got. You gotta at least enjoy the food, Craig, 855 00:41:29.480 --> 00:41:31.440 because the basketball is probably not gonna be awesome. 856 00:41:33.159 --> 00:41:33.760 Let me say that. 857 00:41:34.000 --> 00:41:36.360 We'll let me just say this. I'm filling up and 858 00:41:36.360 --> 00:41:38.920 getting an extra dish of soft serve. If you know what, 859 00:41:40.079 --> 00:41:41.159 it gets me through the day. 860 00:41:41.440 --> 00:41:42.639 I love it. I love it all right. 861 00:41:42.679 --> 00:41:45.119 I want to start with you today on a topic 862 00:41:45.159 --> 00:41:47.159 that we've talked about throughout the show. I started the 863 00:41:47.159 --> 00:41:49.400 show with it. I brought Gordon in with it last segment. 864 00:41:50.199 --> 00:41:53.480 And you know, it's the oft talked about written about 865 00:41:53.559 --> 00:41:57.440 culture building in professional and now college sports. It's different 866 00:41:57.440 --> 00:41:59.719 in college than it used to be. But there's an 867 00:41:59.800 --> 00:42:02.639 art today in the New York Times Slash the Athletic 868 00:42:02.679 --> 00:42:06.199 about Woody Johnson, the owner of the Jets, my hapless, hopeless, 869 00:42:06.199 --> 00:42:09.920 pathetic New York Jets, who apparently has been utilizing feedback 870 00:42:09.960 --> 00:42:13.559 from his teenage sons who played Madden to make personnel 871 00:42:13.599 --> 00:42:16.880 decisions right. And so this is not a Jets topic, 872 00:42:16.960 --> 00:42:20.159 but the Jets culture has been sour for like thirteen years. 873 00:42:20.199 --> 00:42:21.440 They haven't made the playoffs forever. 874 00:42:21.920 --> 00:42:24.400 And I was just thinking about our local products here, 875 00:42:24.719 --> 00:42:27.239 And you've had a front row seats to what the 876 00:42:27.280 --> 00:42:31.239 Miller's built over basically twenty five years of a ownership 877 00:42:31.280 --> 00:42:33.880 stewardship type situation with the Jazz and now a front 878 00:42:33.920 --> 00:42:35.679 row seat on three and a half years of Ryan 879 00:42:35.719 --> 00:42:37.199 Smith and his group owning the Jazz. 880 00:42:37.239 --> 00:42:40.000 And these things take time, right, and. 881 00:42:39.960 --> 00:42:43.199 The Miller's built what was one of the most enviable 882 00:42:43.360 --> 00:42:46.400 cultures in all of professional basketball. From a front office 883 00:42:46.400 --> 00:42:49.920 standpoint with the Leyden's Kevin O'Connor Dennis Lindsay, from a 884 00:42:49.960 --> 00:42:53.039 coaching standpoint with Frank and Jerry and I could keep 885 00:42:53.079 --> 00:42:57.039 going personnel, broadcasters, everything, and the team won a lot 886 00:42:57.039 --> 00:42:59.559 of games. They never won a championship, but they won 887 00:42:59.559 --> 00:43:03.039 a lot of games. Are there similarities between what the 888 00:43:03.079 --> 00:43:05.360 Miller's built and what Ryan is trying to build. It 889 00:43:05.360 --> 00:43:07.400 feels like he's doing his own thing. And I want 890 00:43:07.400 --> 00:43:09.440 to be clear, it's not either good or bad because 891 00:43:09.480 --> 00:43:12.320 it's early, but the early returns are a little bit 892 00:43:12.320 --> 00:43:15.400 different than what the Miller's built. You have been and 893 00:43:15.440 --> 00:43:18.400 still are behind the scenes for both iterations of jazz ownership. 894 00:43:18.480 --> 00:43:20.559 Similarities difference is Craig, what are your thoughts? 895 00:43:21.320 --> 00:43:22.840 Yeah, that's a great question, Spence. 896 00:43:22.920 --> 00:43:25.519 I was here in eighty five, the same summer they 897 00:43:25.599 --> 00:43:29.159 drafted Karl Malone, and all of a sudden things changed, right, 898 00:43:30.199 --> 00:43:32.440 and you have to you got to hit They already 899 00:43:32.440 --> 00:43:35.239 had Stockton, they had my partner, Big T in eighty three, 900 00:43:35.280 --> 00:43:35.719 stock in. 901 00:43:35.719 --> 00:43:37.480 Eighty four, Karl Malone in eighty five. 902 00:43:37.639 --> 00:43:42.320 So you know, what you hope is that the similarities continue, 903 00:43:42.400 --> 00:43:45.679 that the draft picks Danny and Justin have made develop 904 00:43:45.760 --> 00:43:48.840 and blossom quickly, and so far we have not seen that, 905 00:43:49.119 --> 00:43:51.840 but you hope in a very short period of time 906 00:43:52.559 --> 00:43:55.639 that it will. I think Walker's made improvement this year. 907 00:43:55.719 --> 00:43:59.760 Hendricks now is behind this proverbial eight ball. Just because 908 00:43:59.760 --> 00:44:02.760 of the injury and his status fence. We may not 909 00:44:02.800 --> 00:44:06.400 see him until January of twenty twenty six, depending on 910 00:44:06.800 --> 00:44:10.559 his outcome and his rehabs. So he's the hind schedule 911 00:44:11.119 --> 00:44:14.199 and Deontae is just trying to make his way through 912 00:44:14.239 --> 00:44:18.039 every game as he matures. And you know what, again, 913 00:44:18.559 --> 00:44:23.800 is the are the question marks out? Absolutely? You lose 914 00:44:23.840 --> 00:44:27.960 by thirty seven on the road in LA against kind 915 00:44:27.960 --> 00:44:30.239 of an aging team and they didn't even have Kawhi 916 00:44:30.239 --> 00:44:32.400 by the way, and Paul George has moved on and 917 00:44:32.880 --> 00:44:34.960 Harden lit up the Jasper twenty four in the first 918 00:44:35.039 --> 00:44:38.559 quarter Spence, So I get it. There's concern, absolutely, and 919 00:44:38.599 --> 00:44:41.280 you have to think that year three is where you 920 00:44:41.320 --> 00:44:43.599 start to see some of this stuff again to blots him. 921 00:44:43.639 --> 00:44:46.800 As I say players, I think Will Hardy's all in. 922 00:44:47.039 --> 00:44:49.360 I don't have any question with Will at this particular 923 00:44:49.440 --> 00:44:53.199 point in time. But again, I think defense still is 924 00:44:53.199 --> 00:44:56.000 where you talked a lot about and what we've discussed 925 00:44:56.039 --> 00:44:59.440 on previous shows. When does this team finally get it 926 00:45:00.079 --> 00:45:03.079 on how to play team defense? Transition defense and a 927 00:45:03.119 --> 00:45:06.519 shoot around this morning? Again, that was the common the 928 00:45:06.559 --> 00:45:11.119 commonality of the entire hour and fifteen minutes was defense, defense, 929 00:45:11.719 --> 00:45:13.880 And I'm just waiting for the light to go on 930 00:45:13.960 --> 00:45:16.000 to see these guys play as one. We've seen some 931 00:45:16.920 --> 00:45:18.760 I think, you know, we've seen some trickles in the 932 00:45:18.800 --> 00:45:21.000 five wins they've had in the first twenty five. There's 933 00:45:21.039 --> 00:45:22.679 been a couple of nights you go, wow, this is 934 00:45:22.679 --> 00:45:25.559 how it could be, or these guys maturing and finally, 935 00:45:25.840 --> 00:45:28.960 you know, finding their way and it's like the proverbial 936 00:45:29.039 --> 00:45:33.360 one step forward, two steps back. And I think that's 937 00:45:33.400 --> 00:45:36.960 the biggest issue for fans, you know, is that it 938 00:45:37.079 --> 00:45:39.440 got hockey to look at and they're playing pretty well. 939 00:45:39.519 --> 00:45:41.000 Got an OT win again last night. 940 00:45:41.639 --> 00:45:43.800 But Spence, you know, the Jazz used to be the 941 00:45:43.800 --> 00:45:47.320 dominating of the dominant pro team in Salt Lake City, 942 00:45:47.440 --> 00:45:50.960 and that included college football basketball, even when Majeris was 943 00:45:51.039 --> 00:45:54.239 up on the hill. But yeah, it's it's kind of 944 00:45:54.280 --> 00:45:58.960 a time where you wonder where this team's going and 945 00:45:59.119 --> 00:46:01.920 I'm along for the ride as his big tea and 946 00:46:02.239 --> 00:46:05.119 our new sideline reporter Lauren Green, you know, we talked 947 00:46:05.119 --> 00:46:07.000 about it a lot, and I think defense is going 948 00:46:07.079 --> 00:46:09.679 to have to be the most for me. I think 949 00:46:09.679 --> 00:46:11.519 that's the biggest focus that has to be looked at 950 00:46:11.599 --> 00:46:14.159 right now. Can this team play defense? Is one, and 951 00:46:14.400 --> 00:46:17.079 do you have anyone that can really be a shutdown 952 00:46:17.400 --> 00:46:21.760 wing defender. You know, development continues, but sometimes people get 953 00:46:21.800 --> 00:46:24.599 a little anxious. Absolutely, and you. 954 00:46:24.559 --> 00:46:28.199 Know, ultimately, as you referenced the moments that we see 955 00:46:28.199 --> 00:46:34.119 with his roster, the difference between hope and consistency is 956 00:46:34.159 --> 00:46:36.599 showing up every night and doing the things that we 957 00:46:36.639 --> 00:46:40.960 see occasionally all the time. Right when when the consistency 958 00:46:41.000 --> 00:46:44.639 seems in, that's when a promising young team turns into 959 00:46:44.679 --> 00:46:45.760 a team that actually. 960 00:46:45.440 --> 00:46:46.480 Can win at a high level. 961 00:46:46.800 --> 00:46:51.480 And consistency in pro basketball comes with age for ninety nine. 962 00:46:51.360 --> 00:46:53.119 Percent of players that enter the league. 963 00:46:53.159 --> 00:46:55.639 It's like, I have Dennis appointment this week and it 964 00:46:55.760 --> 00:46:58.800 was my six month checkup, went in, had the X rays, 965 00:46:58.840 --> 00:46:59.440 did the cleaning. 966 00:46:59.559 --> 00:47:01.760 Dennis, You're good to go. I'll see you in six months. 967 00:47:01.760 --> 00:47:03.440 I'm like, sweet, don't have to come back in And 968 00:47:03.480 --> 00:47:06.360 he said, you know, as you age, you just. 969 00:47:06.440 --> 00:47:07.559 Develop better habits. 970 00:47:08.239 --> 00:47:11.400 And it's just like basketball, as you age, you just 971 00:47:11.440 --> 00:47:15.320 developed better habits. So right now, the moments we're seeing somehow, 972 00:47:15.360 --> 00:47:18.039 some way, whether it's will or talent acquisition and addition 973 00:47:18.159 --> 00:47:20.719 have to become consistent night in and night out, or 974 00:47:20.760 --> 00:47:23.159 the teams keep getting their heads kicked in because they're 975 00:47:23.159 --> 00:47:26.559 playing against men that have better habits because they've been 976 00:47:26.559 --> 00:47:27.239 doing it longer. 977 00:47:27.280 --> 00:47:28.400 It might be as simple as that. 978 00:47:29.480 --> 00:47:30.920 No, I like the analogy. 979 00:47:31.079 --> 00:47:33.960 I mean, congratulations on the there no check up man, 980 00:47:34.039 --> 00:47:36.199 Thank you sir. You know what when you when you 981 00:47:36.239 --> 00:47:38.679 but when you check up on the jazz, you know 982 00:47:38.840 --> 00:47:43.039 you do see some work that needs to be done, 983 00:47:43.079 --> 00:47:47.440 whether it's a cavity, a crown or whatever, or six extractions, 984 00:47:48.079 --> 00:47:51.519 take six extractions. But you know this is where the 985 00:47:51.639 --> 00:47:55.920 data points that Danny and Justin Zanik are using to determine. 986 00:47:56.079 --> 00:47:58.360 And I go back to this comment that Will said 987 00:47:58.519 --> 00:48:01.280 earlier this season that this lead is tough damn tough 988 00:48:01.280 --> 00:48:04.400 to play in and also to stick in that means 989 00:48:04.679 --> 00:48:09.199 a long career. Some players come in, they stick, and 990 00:48:09.239 --> 00:48:12.000 they find their way as a starter as an All star. 991 00:48:12.119 --> 00:48:15.639 Others are role players and bench players. Who are the jazz? 992 00:48:15.679 --> 00:48:16.239 Who are the. 993 00:48:16.119 --> 00:48:19.599 Players that stick? Who are the ones that depart, who 994 00:48:19.639 --> 00:48:20.599 are part of trade? 995 00:48:21.199 --> 00:48:23.000 And who just falls down to the league? 996 00:48:23.119 --> 00:48:25.199 Right Spence, We've seen it for years. That's just the 997 00:48:25.199 --> 00:48:28.280 way this business works, and it's it's a big business, 998 00:48:28.360 --> 00:48:30.440 billion dollar business, and you have to play at a 999 00:48:30.519 --> 00:48:33.119 high level to make rosters each and every year. 1000 00:48:33.519 --> 00:48:37.119 And so these data points I speak of, you know, the. 1001 00:48:37.159 --> 00:48:39.800 Jazz are very analytical and the way that they progress, 1002 00:48:40.039 --> 00:48:42.960 how they proceed, I should say, and I think you 1003 00:48:43.039 --> 00:48:45.119 know all this and all these numbers are beginning to 1004 00:48:45.199 --> 00:48:47.679 kind of show you know, who these guys are, what 1005 00:48:47.800 --> 00:48:48.920 they hope they can become. 1006 00:48:49.239 --> 00:48:50.360 But you make a good point. 1007 00:48:50.719 --> 00:48:54.239 Look, it's disappointing, absolutely, but you know in that three 1008 00:48:54.320 --> 00:48:59.559 year window we see Walker Tester make strides. It is 1009 00:48:59.639 --> 00:49:02.599 kean They've gotten better than he did his rookie year. Yes, 1010 00:49:03.039 --> 00:49:06.440 can he get better? That for Danny and Justin Xanti 1011 00:49:06.519 --> 00:49:09.559 to his side and look at the statistical numbers, but 1012 00:49:09.639 --> 00:49:13.239 also who is he? I mean how bad does he 1013 00:49:13.280 --> 00:49:15.519 want to get to that next level? And that's about 1014 00:49:15.559 --> 00:49:19.480 work during the season and off season as well. It's 1015 00:49:19.480 --> 00:49:23.599 the same for Senza Baw, same for Flip Filipowski. And 1016 00:49:24.159 --> 00:49:27.079 you know Colin Section I think is an improvement then 1017 00:49:27.679 --> 00:49:29.639 the day that we got him. I think he's figured 1018 00:49:29.679 --> 00:49:32.320 some things out too. And John Collins seems to have 1019 00:49:32.360 --> 00:49:35.840 progressed this year. But I'm talking about Vets the Jazz 1020 00:49:35.960 --> 00:49:39.880 looking more long term. Spence to your earlier question, is 1021 00:49:40.400 --> 00:49:44.280 the Jazz. From what I understand, they want a larger 1022 00:49:44.360 --> 00:49:50.039 window of opportunity to be in the postseason and become 1023 00:49:50.159 --> 00:49:52.599 what stocked Him alone we're able to do in their 1024 00:49:52.679 --> 00:49:55.320 latter years. Now, the Jazz are lucky to keep those 1025 00:49:55.360 --> 00:49:57.920 two guys side by side for such a long time. 1026 00:49:58.559 --> 00:50:00.679 That's going to be a real key for this Jazz 1027 00:50:00.679 --> 00:50:02.119 franchise moving forward. 1028 00:50:02.280 --> 00:50:03.800 Who develops and who's moves on. 1029 00:50:04.199 --> 00:50:09.760 Heyward moved on, Donovan moved on. They traded Gobert as well, 1030 00:50:09.840 --> 00:50:12.800 So you know that to me are hard questions that 1031 00:50:12.800 --> 00:50:15.000 they're going to have to answer and the money they 1032 00:50:15.000 --> 00:50:17.960 spend and how much effort they put into the development 1033 00:50:18.519 --> 00:50:21.599 into these guys, and how keen of an eye does 1034 00:50:21.679 --> 00:50:24.320 Danny Ainge and Justin have on those draft picks and 1035 00:50:24.360 --> 00:50:26.000 the one they covet this year so much. 1036 00:50:26.719 --> 00:50:28.239 So before I say you loose, I know you got 1037 00:50:28.239 --> 00:50:30.119 to catch a bus to your thing for the game tonight. 1038 00:50:30.360 --> 00:50:32.199 I wanted to get a college football thought from you, 1039 00:50:32.239 --> 00:50:34.719 because when I was prepping for the show kind of 1040 00:50:34.760 --> 00:50:36.960 unwrapping this topic of I was found it interesting. 1041 00:50:37.079 --> 00:50:39.400 In the pros, your culture is set by your owner. 1042 00:50:40.039 --> 00:50:40.719 It just is. 1043 00:50:40.880 --> 00:50:44.760 Now it is executed by several people from top to bottom, 1044 00:50:44.760 --> 00:50:48.159 but it's set by the tone that is established by 1045 00:50:48.159 --> 00:50:52.360 the ownership group or the singular family or figurehead. In college, 1046 00:50:52.639 --> 00:50:56.000 it's the coaches, Craig. Isn't it like the celebrities in 1047 00:50:56.079 --> 00:50:59.480 college football and basketball are not the players. 1048 00:50:59.039 --> 00:50:59.840 They're the coaches. 1049 00:51:00.039 --> 00:51:04.239 It's the Tom Izzo's, Mike Krzyzewski's, Kyle Whittingham's, Nick Saban's 1050 00:51:04.280 --> 00:51:08.280 Like It's It's an interesting difference, isn't it. In the pros, 1051 00:51:08.360 --> 00:51:11.000 your culture is from the top to bottom, started by 1052 00:51:11.000 --> 00:51:13.440 the ownership. But in college it does seem like hiring 1053 00:51:13.480 --> 00:51:15.039 the red coach is the best way to build a 1054 00:51:15.079 --> 00:51:15.639 better culture. 1055 00:51:16.559 --> 00:51:20.199 Oh, Spence, it's everything because recruiting comes down to, hey, 1056 00:51:20.320 --> 00:51:21.519 I'm playing for this guy. 1057 00:51:21.639 --> 00:51:23.840 Now look, I'm not foolish. 1058 00:51:23.960 --> 00:51:26.639 I know that's changed some because nil money is going 1059 00:51:26.719 --> 00:51:29.800 to do a lot of talking as well. Right, So 1060 00:51:29.840 --> 00:51:32.440 that's that's going to be the most interesting part moving 1061 00:51:32.480 --> 00:51:35.360 forward is how much does the money speak instead of 1062 00:51:35.599 --> 00:51:36.559 who's coaching me? 1063 00:51:37.039 --> 00:51:37.280 You know? 1064 00:51:37.880 --> 00:51:40.800 And the transfer portal. I'm upset I didn't get the 1065 00:51:40.800 --> 00:51:42.960 reps I was promised or I thought I was going 1066 00:51:43.000 --> 00:51:45.559 to get, So I'm going to transfer out man Spence 1067 00:51:45.599 --> 00:51:47.719 things have changed since you and I were in college, man, 1068 00:51:47.760 --> 00:51:50.639 because really the coaches were keen, and you make a 1069 00:51:50.679 --> 00:51:54.199 great point, Showsky, even even during the days up on 1070 00:51:54.239 --> 00:51:57.480 the hill man Majeris. You know, he wielded a big 1071 00:51:57.519 --> 00:51:59.199 hammer and it was able to do a lot of 1072 00:51:59.239 --> 00:52:01.559 great things because of who he was and the success 1073 00:52:01.599 --> 00:52:05.960 he had. But I'm concerned that it may change because 1074 00:52:06.000 --> 00:52:08.920 money speaks, and I just am I right? Did I 1075 00:52:08.920 --> 00:52:14.239 hear the Sacramento State is the new home of CAM. 1076 00:52:13.440 --> 00:52:16.239 So all I've seen is an online rumor, Craig. I, 1077 00:52:16.639 --> 00:52:20.480 So maybe here's the problem, like who online is credible 1078 00:52:20.480 --> 00:52:21.000 these days? 1079 00:52:21.280 --> 00:52:23.440 Like you know, So I'm not. 1080 00:52:23.559 --> 00:52:26.239 Sure as far as the person who sent that out 1081 00:52:26.280 --> 00:52:28.440 that I am familiar with their work. So I've been 1082 00:52:28.480 --> 00:52:30.760 trying to verify that and nothing as of now. 1083 00:52:31.760 --> 00:52:35.119 Yeah, I did the same, looked up the source, and 1084 00:52:35.159 --> 00:52:38.079 I wasn't sure who that source would be. I don't 1085 00:52:38.079 --> 00:52:39.639 know if that's just to float it out to get 1086 00:52:39.679 --> 00:52:41.880 a rise out of Utah fans with Spence. You and 1087 00:52:41.960 --> 00:52:44.199 I are in a business now where what used to 1088 00:52:44.199 --> 00:52:47.000 be fact is sometimes fiction. Or you have to make 1089 00:52:47.039 --> 00:52:51.039 sure befo you report that's a responsible way and you're 1090 00:52:51.079 --> 00:52:53.840 talking about a young man's future. Whether he decides to 1091 00:52:53.880 --> 00:52:57.280 go go try his luck in the NFL or if 1092 00:52:57.280 --> 00:53:00.199 he's just gonna say it to you, who knows. But 1093 00:53:00.239 --> 00:53:02.440 you know that's the craziness though, that we're out there 1094 00:53:02.480 --> 00:53:06.320 all these rumors, the portal and coaches time tracts. Some 1095 00:53:06.400 --> 00:53:08.960 are giving money back because they don't succeed. I read 1096 00:53:09.000 --> 00:53:10.440 that yesterday in USA Today. 1097 00:53:11.199 --> 00:53:11.719 I find that. 1098 00:53:11.760 --> 00:53:15.719 Intriguing that they're well paid to represent, but also they 1099 00:53:15.760 --> 00:53:17.719 realize they keep their job, they may have to funnel 1100 00:53:17.760 --> 00:53:20.599 some of their cash, their salary back into the NIL 1101 00:53:20.800 --> 00:53:24.599 or back into just the athletic program. It's an interesting time. 1102 00:53:24.639 --> 00:53:25.840 It's a crazy time. 1103 00:53:27.000 --> 00:53:28.960 It is, for sure. And let me just say this. 1104 00:53:28.960 --> 00:53:31.400 This person who sent it out. His Twitter handle is 1105 00:53:31.400 --> 00:53:35.960 at byu fan A and I just think this is 1106 00:53:36.000 --> 00:53:40.199 a dude that is trying to stroll Utah fans. So 1107 00:53:40.320 --> 00:53:42.400 if we get anything efficient on CAM, I'm glad you 1108 00:53:42.400 --> 00:53:44.400 brought it up because I should at least address it. 1109 00:53:44.760 --> 00:53:46.920 If we get anything efficient on CAM, we'll bring it 1110 00:53:46.960 --> 00:53:48.719 to you. But Bawler, thanks for the time. Men have 1111 00:53:48.760 --> 00:53:51.559 a great call. Ton I best of luck to travel safe, 1112 00:53:51.599 --> 00:53:52.519 happy holidays, Okay. 1113 00:53:52.840 --> 00:53:56.000 I appreciate you. Felle have a great holiday. We'll talk soon, thanks, buddy. 1114 00:53:56.159 --> 00:53:57.880 All Right, we're live today here at the road Home. 1115 00:53:57.960 --> 00:53:59.599 Jake, Hey, Jake, can we go? 1116 00:54:00.079 --> 00:54:02.280 So we're live today here at the road Home. 1117 00:54:02.480 --> 00:54:04.000 We're gonna bring on a guest to kind of tell 1118 00:54:04.000 --> 00:54:05.280 you what we have going on here. 1119 00:54:05.679 --> 00:54:07.360 Don't forget. Richard Smith's gonna. 1120 00:54:07.119 --> 00:54:10.480 Be live on site for an entire hour. I usually 1121 00:54:10.519 --> 00:54:12.679 have a tech out here to help, but nobody's here, 1122 00:54:13.239 --> 00:54:15.960 so I am trying to operate our com rex book 1123 00:54:16.000 --> 00:54:17.559 guests all by myself. 1124 00:54:17.679 --> 00:54:18.440 It's no big deal. 1125 00:54:18.440 --> 00:54:20.000 I'm a grown up. I can handle it. Let's see 1126 00:54:20.000 --> 00:54:23.199 if somebody stops by, they may not. In the meantime, 1127 00:54:23.239 --> 00:54:25.800 I'll just remind you where we're at today. We're at 1128 00:54:25.840 --> 00:54:26.320 the road Home. 1129 00:54:26.400 --> 00:54:26.679 Okay. 1130 00:54:26.719 --> 00:54:30.320 So, family homelessness in the US rose dramatically from twenty 1131 00:54:30.360 --> 00:54:32.760 twenty two to twenty twenty three, and families now represent 1132 00:54:32.840 --> 00:54:37.320 more than twenty eight percent all the country's homeless population. 1133 00:54:37.840 --> 00:54:39.639 So we're asking you to donate today. 1134 00:54:39.639 --> 00:54:42.039 Okay, here's the number. It's eight oh one, eight one 1135 00:54:42.159 --> 00:54:44.920 nine seventy three hundred. That's eighth one, eight one, nine 1136 00:54:45.039 --> 00:54:48.880 seventy three hundred online at the Roadhome dot org. You 1137 00:54:48.920 --> 00:54:51.199 can come by in person to the Connie Crosby Family 1138 00:54:51.280 --> 00:54:53.920 Resource Center at five twenty nine ninth Thaves seventy three 1139 00:54:54.000 --> 00:54:55.440 hundred South in Midvale. 1140 00:54:56.079 --> 00:54:58.199 You tah come on by and say hello. 1141 00:54:58.320 --> 00:55:00.480 Richard Smith is gonna be live on site in just 1142 00:55:00.639 --> 00:55:04.039 a little bit and we're joined here. Actually, you know 1143 00:55:04.079 --> 00:55:06.559 what I've got to do this one, I promise. Usually 1144 00:55:06.599 --> 00:55:08.760 I have a tech but I don't have anybody today. 1145 00:55:09.360 --> 00:55:10.079 Is that Pauline? 1146 00:55:10.079 --> 00:55:12.800 Is that the name that is? How are you, Pauline? 1147 00:55:13.000 --> 00:55:13.760 I'm doing great? 1148 00:55:13.800 --> 00:55:14.320 How about you? 1149 00:55:14.639 --> 00:55:15.840 Well, so what do you do out here at the 1150 00:55:15.880 --> 00:55:16.360 road Home? 1151 00:55:17.159 --> 00:55:19.000 I am the president of the boards. 1152 00:55:20.320 --> 00:55:23.000 Jake, you brought me the boss. Okay, I've got to 1153 00:55:23.000 --> 00:55:25.280 behave myself. Well that's excellent. You know I was thinking 1154 00:55:25.280 --> 00:55:26.360 about this earlier. Pauline. 1155 00:55:26.400 --> 00:55:27.800 I there's my nineteenth year. 1156 00:55:28.360 --> 00:55:29.320 Congratulations. 1157 00:55:29.320 --> 00:55:30.000 Well, thank you. 1158 00:55:30.159 --> 00:55:32.639 Certainly not about me at all, but it's truly one 1159 00:55:32.639 --> 00:55:35.800 of my favorite things that we do every year at Broadway. 1160 00:55:35.400 --> 00:55:37.159 At the station of my old station as well. 1161 00:55:38.320 --> 00:55:41.400 Ultimately, what has always struck me is how many families 1162 00:55:41.440 --> 00:55:43.360 you guys help, you know what I mean? It's not 1163 00:55:43.559 --> 00:55:46.840 just and you also help single people that are homeless, 1164 00:55:47.280 --> 00:55:49.480 But there are so many families, mom and dad, children 1165 00:55:49.519 --> 00:55:50.360 that roll through here. 1166 00:55:50.440 --> 00:55:51.480 Here's what I want to ask you. 1167 00:55:51.880 --> 00:55:54.320 What is in place to help mom and dad get 1168 00:55:54.320 --> 00:55:55.639 back on their feet and kind of help. 1169 00:55:55.519 --> 00:55:57.519 These families get whole again here at the Road Home. 1170 00:55:58.000 --> 00:56:00.719 Yeah, I mean, they're the one that need the most forward, right, 1171 00:56:00.920 --> 00:56:04.280 because you've got to handle kids and jobs and so forth. 1172 00:56:04.400 --> 00:56:06.519 So the biggest thing I feel we do. Of course, 1173 00:56:06.559 --> 00:56:09.480 we provide shelter, we provide a roof over their head 1174 00:56:09.559 --> 00:56:12.920 and safety. But the second thing is case managers to 1175 00:56:13.039 --> 00:56:18.159 help them reintegrate, get support, get additional governments will support, 1176 00:56:18.280 --> 00:56:20.719 make sure that the kids are going to school, etcetera right, 1177 00:56:20.719 --> 00:56:24.719 et ceter and eventually get into a permanent home. It's 1178 00:56:24.800 --> 00:56:27.800 always the goal. And that is so much safer, so 1179 00:56:27.880 --> 00:56:31.280 much more stable family for kids to be in their 1180 00:56:31.320 --> 00:56:32.079 own home. 1181 00:56:32.119 --> 00:56:32.719 For sure. 1182 00:56:32.760 --> 00:56:35.159 And the other thing I've learned about the Road Home 1183 00:56:35.239 --> 00:56:38.639 in all my years doing this, people can be skeptical 1184 00:56:38.880 --> 00:56:41.719 about nonprofits and if I donate, is the money really 1185 00:56:41.760 --> 00:56:44.400 going to where you say that it will? And here 1186 00:56:44.440 --> 00:56:46.800 the money goes to where you say that it's going. 1187 00:56:46.880 --> 00:56:48.199 People don't need to worry about that. 1188 00:56:48.320 --> 00:56:52.760 Yeah, absolutely, we get four star rating every time for 1189 00:56:52.920 --> 00:56:56.239 our management of our finance. Essentially every time goes towards 1190 00:56:56.360 --> 00:56:59.960 what we call programming, which is support of our client 1191 00:57:00.400 --> 00:57:00.880 for sure. 1192 00:57:00.960 --> 00:57:03.559 Now we're asking, of course five dollars, ten dollars whatever 1193 00:57:03.559 --> 00:57:04.199 people can give. 1194 00:57:04.239 --> 00:57:07.599 What about physical donations this season? What are you guys 1195 00:57:07.639 --> 00:57:08.119 looking for. 1196 00:57:08.039 --> 00:57:10.840 In that realm coats and such. 1197 00:57:10.880 --> 00:57:16.000 Coats, socks always welcome, brand new, much better gently used 1198 00:57:16.000 --> 00:57:21.679 as fine but warm backpacks. We're always looking for kids 1199 00:57:21.719 --> 00:57:25.079 to go back home when they enter into their home 1200 00:57:25.159 --> 00:57:28.440 they have nothing, so those kind of things. The best 1201 00:57:28.480 --> 00:57:30.320 ways to go on our website to get the full 1202 00:57:30.360 --> 00:57:31.800 list of items that we need. 1203 00:57:32.039 --> 00:57:32.400 Very nice. 1204 00:57:32.440 --> 00:57:33.960 And the website, by the way, is the road Home 1205 00:57:34.000 --> 00:57:36.239 dot org slash donate before we set you loose. Pauline, 1206 00:57:36.239 --> 00:57:38.760 how did you get involved? What's your origin story of 1207 00:57:38.760 --> 00:57:39.920 getting involved with the Road Home? 1208 00:57:40.079 --> 00:57:42.519 Yeah, I was working for an ad agency as a 1209 00:57:42.519 --> 00:57:45.559 president of an ad agency, and I was looking about 1210 00:57:45.679 --> 00:57:48.719 and saw people on the street and decided it was 1211 00:57:48.760 --> 00:57:52.199 time for me to donate to my community. And the 1212 00:57:52.280 --> 00:57:55.679 Road Home came to me and I realized it's an 1213 00:57:55.719 --> 00:58:01.079 extreme extremely good organization, a lot of integrity, doing very 1214 00:58:01.199 --> 00:58:04.920 very good work and always coming up with new ways 1215 00:58:04.960 --> 00:58:05.960 to help our clients. 1216 00:58:06.119 --> 00:58:08.800 Wonderful, well, pleasure meeting you. Thanks for stopping by. Okay, 1217 00:58:08.920 --> 00:58:09.280 thank you. 1218 00:58:09.400 --> 00:58:11.559 It's Pauline, president of the board. Wow, we've got the 1219 00:58:11.559 --> 00:58:14.159 big boss lady here at the road Home. Come on 1220 00:58:14.239 --> 00:58:16.239 by and say hi. You can give us a call 1221 00:58:16.280 --> 00:58:18.760 if you want to donate that way. The phone number 1222 00:58:18.760 --> 00:58:20.320 is eight oh one eighty one nine. 1223 00:58:20.679 --> 00:58:21.679 Pauline. Good to meet you. 1224 00:58:22.000 --> 00:58:25.159 Okay, I have a good day, seventy three hundred. Their 1225 00:58:25.199 --> 00:58:28.519 website is the Roadhome dot org slash donate. Come by 1226 00:58:28.559 --> 00:58:30.880 in person of the Connie Crosby Family Resource Center at 1227 00:58:30.920 --> 00:58:34.119 five twenty nine nine Thabs, seventy three hundred South in Midvale. 1228 00:58:34.199 --> 00:58:38.599 Richard Smith is standing regally in front of me. He 1229 00:58:38.679 --> 00:58:39.079 joins us. 1230 00:58:39.079 --> 00:58:41.519 Coming up next, we'll talk a little culture building. We'll 1231 00:58:41.519 --> 00:58:44.519 talk a little football. We'll talk a little basketball, maybe 1232 00:58:44.559 --> 00:58:47.199 a little little tennis, maybe a little baseball. 1233 00:58:47.239 --> 00:58:48.159 We'll get weird for an. 1234 00:58:48.119 --> 00:58:50.280 Hour during the holiday season with my guy, Richard Smith, 1235 00:58:50.280 --> 00:59:09.519 coming up next right here at ESPN seven hundred. All right, 1236 00:59:09.599 --> 00:59:12.159 live on side today, both today and tomorrow. 1237 00:59:12.360 --> 00:59:14.519 Keep that in mind. At the road. 1238 00:59:14.320 --> 00:59:19.559 Home, Santa Clause is in the freaking building. What is 1239 00:59:19.639 --> 00:59:23.039 going on. Santa is in the house. Look at that 1240 00:59:24.239 --> 00:59:26.119 Santa is here. So if you guys want to stop 1241 00:59:26.119 --> 00:59:28.480 by it and hang out with Santa, your timing is impeccable. 1242 00:59:29.440 --> 00:59:32.280 The address is five twenty nine nine seventy three hundred South. 1243 00:59:32.280 --> 00:59:33.719 They'll tell you what he's about to do, because I've 1244 00:59:33.760 --> 00:59:35.199 gone and seen it, and he's about to go in and 1245 00:59:35.199 --> 00:59:36.280 see if homeless. 1246 00:59:35.920 --> 00:59:37.400 Shelter full of children. 1247 00:59:37.920 --> 00:59:40.639 It'll tug at your heartstrings if you've never been out 1248 00:59:40.639 --> 00:59:43.480 here before. We're asking for physical donations of coats and 1249 00:59:43.519 --> 00:59:46.840 blankets and anything warm, uh new, gently used. We're also 1250 00:59:46.920 --> 00:59:50.280 asking for financial donations of any kind at eight O 1251 00:59:50.400 --> 00:59:53.280 one eight one nine seventy three hundred eight oh one 1252 00:59:53.320 --> 00:59:55.760 eight one nine seventy three hundred or online at the 1253 00:59:55.840 --> 00:59:57.679 roadhome dot org slash donate. 1254 00:59:57.760 --> 01:00:01.400 So Santa rolls in, Just Richard Smith. 1255 01:00:01.239 --> 01:00:01.559 See that. 1256 01:00:02.000 --> 01:00:04.360 You see what happens. I come as soon as I 1257 01:00:04.400 --> 01:00:07.760 get here, Spence, somebody has to come in and take 1258 01:00:07.840 --> 01:00:11.159 any whatever little thunder I have in my entrance. 1259 01:00:11.480 --> 01:00:12.480 Is that a takeaway? 1260 01:00:12.599 --> 01:00:14.280 Take it all away? 1261 01:00:14.639 --> 01:00:17.039 There's that Richard Smith right over in the corner. Get 1262 01:00:17.079 --> 01:00:19.559 him out of the way. Santa comes rolling through his 1263 01:00:19.639 --> 01:00:23.239 bells are jingling. He's got the perfect Santa suit on, 1264 01:00:23.760 --> 01:00:25.559 and as if you didn't know who it was, he 1265 01:00:25.639 --> 01:00:30.480 had a big wide belt that said Santa across the back. 1266 01:00:30.400 --> 01:00:32.400 Just in case you weren't sure who it was. 1267 01:00:32.519 --> 01:00:35.199 So instead of being excited that Santa's here for the kids, 1268 01:00:35.199 --> 01:00:37.280 you're upset that he's taking attention away from you. 1269 01:00:37.320 --> 01:00:40.960 No, no, I'm just observing that that's that's literally whatever 1270 01:00:41.000 --> 01:00:43.280 happens wherever I go, someone else goes. 1271 01:00:43.639 --> 01:00:44.400 Get him out of here. 1272 01:00:44.400 --> 01:00:47.000 Come on, let's fair enough, fair enough, smitty, good to 1273 01:00:47.039 --> 01:00:47.440 see man. 1274 01:00:47.480 --> 01:00:50.920 How a great same to you, Spencer, and I appreciate 1275 01:00:51.000 --> 01:00:53.480 your invite to come out here and spend a little 1276 01:00:53.480 --> 01:00:55.800 time with you on a Thursday at the road Home 1277 01:00:55.880 --> 01:00:58.440 to The people here do such a great job and 1278 01:00:58.480 --> 01:01:00.719 it's always fun to come out in the years that 1279 01:01:00.760 --> 01:01:04.079 you've invited me to come out during the stealthon to 1280 01:01:04.079 --> 01:01:07.000 try and get some donations here, and I brought a 1281 01:01:07.000 --> 01:01:10.440 couple of things from our home, bags of clothes and stuff. 1282 01:01:10.480 --> 01:01:14.039 And it's just a great, a great work that the 1283 01:01:14.440 --> 01:01:17.960 people here do and it's always fun to be a 1284 01:01:18.079 --> 01:01:19.719 part of it at this time of year. 1285 01:01:19.800 --> 01:01:21.679 So come on by if you want to meet Smitty, 1286 01:01:22.159 --> 01:01:24.440 I would encourage you. If you don't think you have 1287 01:01:24.840 --> 01:01:27.039 items at home, my guess as you do. If you 1288 01:01:27.079 --> 01:01:30.719 clean out your stuff like blankets and socks and gloves 1289 01:01:30.719 --> 01:01:33.000 and hats and coats, you can drop them off in 1290 01:01:33.039 --> 01:01:35.599 person out here at five twenty nine ninth Apps seventy 1291 01:01:35.639 --> 01:01:38.159 three hundred South, or donate anything you can give the 1292 01:01:38.199 --> 01:01:40.199 holiday season at eight o one to eight one nine 1293 01:01:40.280 --> 01:01:44.519 seventy three hundred online at the roadhump dot org slash donate. 1294 01:01:45.079 --> 01:01:47.159 All right, Smitty, let's start with what we were talking 1295 01:01:47.159 --> 01:01:49.119 about off air, where you just came from, and then 1296 01:01:49.159 --> 01:01:52.320 we'll get into some some other topics that are certainly 1297 01:01:52.400 --> 01:01:56.119 less important. And I did not know Cletus Woodbury, well, 1298 01:01:56.480 --> 01:01:59.000 I knew who he was. His father spent a number 1299 01:01:59.039 --> 01:02:01.440 of years at the University of Utah. 1300 01:02:01.639 --> 01:02:05.480 We had his brother at RSL, so I know the family. 1301 01:02:05.519 --> 01:02:09.440 And of course I've heard the story just this time, well, 1302 01:02:09.559 --> 01:02:12.280 any time of year, but this time of year. Three kids, 1303 01:02:12.400 --> 01:02:15.840 just forty six years old. Kleidis gone far too early. 1304 01:02:16.239 --> 01:02:18.239 You'll gut punch for the community. A lot of people 1305 01:02:18.239 --> 01:02:21.000 at the U knew him, loved him, and you were 1306 01:02:21.119 --> 01:02:22.159 at the services today. 1307 01:02:22.239 --> 01:02:23.880 Can you take us kind of inside what that was like. 1308 01:02:24.199 --> 01:02:28.559 Yeah, for our listeners who don't know, Cletus Woodbury, a 1309 01:02:28.599 --> 01:02:32.039 great fixture in the Utah Athletic department, passed away this 1310 01:02:32.039 --> 01:02:36.400 this past week after incurring a seizure and spending time 1311 01:02:36.480 --> 01:02:39.440 and the intensive care at the University of Utah and 1312 01:02:40.079 --> 01:02:43.760 ended up passing away and several days ago. And he 1313 01:02:43.920 --> 01:02:48.320 and he was just a stalwart of the Utah Athletic department. 1314 01:02:49.639 --> 01:02:50.639 You know, he was the guy. 1315 01:02:50.800 --> 01:02:54.199 He was the consummate ticket guy who you know, we 1316 01:02:54.280 --> 01:02:56.119 ran the ticket operations. 1317 01:02:55.559 --> 01:02:57.320 There for for many many years. 1318 01:02:57.360 --> 01:03:01.599 And as people you spoke today at his services, he was, uh, 1319 01:03:01.800 --> 01:03:04.079 you know, they all commented on the fact that that 1320 01:03:04.199 --> 01:03:09.039 Cletus was the guy who always figured out what how 1321 01:03:09.039 --> 01:03:11.480 he could help you and to figure out whatever your 1322 01:03:11.519 --> 01:03:13.719 ticket the deal was, or you were go into the 1323 01:03:13.800 --> 01:03:16.280 Rose Bowl the last couple of years with the Utah 1324 01:03:16.280 --> 01:03:19.719 football team and people who needed tickets and wanted tickets, 1325 01:03:19.719 --> 01:03:22.039 and he was always the guy who figured out how 1326 01:03:22.039 --> 01:03:24.320 to how to get that, get that handled. You went 1327 01:03:24.360 --> 01:03:27.360 on the road somewhere, you were in Florida, you wanted 1328 01:03:27.360 --> 01:03:31.159 to go Miami Dolphins game, called Kletis Cleisa, I got 1329 01:03:31.159 --> 01:03:33.199 a guy in Miami, h let me call you back 1330 01:03:33.239 --> 01:03:36.480 and whatever. But but he was just just a great 1331 01:03:36.880 --> 01:03:40.760 person to know, a great fixture in the Utah Athletic Department. 1332 01:03:41.239 --> 01:03:44.519 Uh passed away this week at age forty six. Leaves 1333 01:03:44.559 --> 01:03:50.239 behind his his lovely wife Lisa and their three kids, and. 1334 01:03:51.679 --> 01:03:53.519 A very sad day in the in the in the 1335 01:03:53.880 --> 01:03:54.679 Utah community. 1336 01:03:54.960 --> 01:03:57.840 So I can send you, guys to a GoFundMe that 1337 01:03:57.920 --> 01:03:59.960 has been created for Cleatis Woodbury. 1338 01:04:00.039 --> 01:04:02.840 You go to GoFundMe dot com and just search for Cletus. 1339 01:04:02.440 --> 01:04:06.000 Woodburry at c l e a d Us Woodburry as 1340 01:04:06.000 --> 01:04:09.159 spelled as you would expect. And then there's picture of Kletis, 1341 01:04:09.199 --> 01:04:11.760 his wife and their three children, and we're asking for 1342 01:04:11.840 --> 01:04:15.039 donations to take care of his family as he leaves 1343 01:04:15.039 --> 01:04:15.519 them behind. 1344 01:04:15.639 --> 01:04:19.480 Just you know, you hate to say the whole cliche. 1345 01:04:18.920 --> 01:04:23.239 You know, a reminder of how precious this trip around 1346 01:04:23.239 --> 01:04:26.679 the globe is or whatever, this trip on this blue marble. 1347 01:04:26.440 --> 01:04:27.679 Whatever I'll call it. 1348 01:04:27.679 --> 01:04:29.119 You hate to say that you need things like this, 1349 01:04:29.280 --> 01:04:31.159 But you know, out here at the road home, you 1350 01:04:31.159 --> 01:04:33.280 see these families walking in with children. They don't know 1351 01:04:33.440 --> 01:04:35.599 where they're going to sleep tonight. Cletus leaves behind a 1352 01:04:35.639 --> 01:04:38.920 family of three kids. It just reminds you how precious. 1353 01:04:38.480 --> 01:04:39.000 This thing is. 1354 01:04:40.440 --> 01:04:42.159 He's about your age, right exactly. 1355 01:04:43.079 --> 01:04:45.519 Yeah, so and you know those of us who are older, 1356 01:04:45.800 --> 01:04:49.159 you know, I turned seventy earlier this year. And you know, 1357 01:04:49.199 --> 01:04:52.719 whether it's your age or or or you're getting closer 1358 01:04:52.760 --> 01:04:56.440 to the end zone, so to speak. You you know, 1359 01:04:56.519 --> 01:04:58.760 these are the things that that you take stock. And 1360 01:04:58.800 --> 01:05:01.519 then you realize someone like came as a young family, 1361 01:05:02.039 --> 01:05:05.800 uh three teenage age kids, and you know he's right 1362 01:05:05.840 --> 01:05:08.000 in the middle of it, just as you are, Spence, 1363 01:05:08.039 --> 01:05:10.800 and you're looking forward to all these things that you 1364 01:05:10.880 --> 01:05:13.079 want to do with your family and friends and all 1365 01:05:13.079 --> 01:05:15.760 the all the plans you make, you're going forward in 1366 01:05:15.800 --> 01:05:18.039 your life, and then all of a sudden, it's uh, 1367 01:05:18.119 --> 01:05:21.039 you get this turn of events and and it's gone 1368 01:05:21.320 --> 01:05:23.800 in the blink of an eye. And and sometimes it 1369 01:05:23.840 --> 01:05:27.360 sounds modeling, and sometimes it sounds cliche. But but as 1370 01:05:27.360 --> 01:05:31.039 someone once taught me, it's cliche because it's actually true. 1371 01:05:31.119 --> 01:05:34.079 It's that's that's the reality of life. And so you try, 1372 01:05:34.119 --> 01:05:36.599 and you try and the take stock and your friends 1373 01:05:36.599 --> 01:05:39.719 and your loved ones as much as you can and 1374 01:05:39.800 --> 01:05:41.639 you know, telling them you love them, and and uh 1375 01:05:41.719 --> 01:05:44.159 and and try and help wherever you can, you know, 1376 01:05:44.280 --> 01:05:45.400 anywhere in the community. 1377 01:05:45.480 --> 01:05:46.199 Yeah, well said. 1378 01:05:46.199 --> 01:05:49.039 And obviously the University of Utah community is well known 1379 01:05:49.159 --> 01:05:51.639 for taking care of its own. Uh So, head on 1380 01:05:51.679 --> 01:05:54.599 over to that gofund me page for cletus in support. 1381 01:05:55.079 --> 01:05:57.159 It's funny how people come and go, whether it's death 1382 01:05:57.280 --> 01:05:59.320 or just you changed relationships. 1383 01:05:58.719 --> 01:06:01.159 And you never know. Sometimes it's entirely unexpected. 1384 01:06:01.159 --> 01:06:04.239 But Smiddy, I've been talking about this topic today and 1385 01:06:04.280 --> 01:06:06.079 I was excited. 1386 01:06:05.719 --> 01:06:07.199 To see you on the rundown because I knew you'd 1387 01:06:07.199 --> 01:06:07.760 be good with it. 1388 01:06:09.039 --> 01:06:11.599 And this is not a Jets topic, but there is 1389 01:06:11.679 --> 01:06:14.360 a new piece in The Athletic about Woody Johnson, the 1390 01:06:14.400 --> 01:06:17.920 owner of the Jets, and how he apparently relies on 1391 01:06:17.960 --> 01:06:21.519 the advice of his teenage children who play Madden the 1392 01:06:21.679 --> 01:06:25.000 video game to make some personnel decisions. And according to 1393 01:06:25.000 --> 01:06:26.800 the Athletic, and I like the Athletic, they do a 1394 01:06:26.800 --> 01:06:29.440 good job. There was a trade on the table that 1395 01:06:29.440 --> 01:06:32.119 the Jets would acquire Jerry Judy, who has killed it 1396 01:06:32.159 --> 01:06:34.639 in Cleveland. But what he said, no, because this kid 1397 01:06:34.639 --> 01:06:37.400 didn't like his Madden rating. That in a vacuum is 1398 01:06:37.400 --> 01:06:39.960 pathetic and laughable, but it is a microcosm of a 1399 01:06:40.039 --> 01:06:42.800 horrible culture that has been there for a long time 1400 01:06:42.840 --> 01:06:45.079 BYU fans will always say Zach Wilson could have been 1401 01:06:45.079 --> 01:06:48.880 something different if it wasn't the Jets. Sam Darnold's killing 1402 01:06:48.880 --> 01:06:51.199 it in Minnesota. Gino Smith has had a good run 1403 01:06:51.199 --> 01:06:53.880 in Seattle, like the Jets are a joke and they 1404 01:06:53.880 --> 01:06:55.239 have been for a long time, and it's from a 1405 01:06:55.320 --> 01:06:57.639 top down. You had a front row seat to that 1406 01:06:57.679 --> 01:07:00.519 culture that was built by the Millers over and over 1407 01:07:00.559 --> 01:07:02.519 and over, the foundation that was laid by Frank and 1408 01:07:02.559 --> 01:07:05.480 Scott and continued by Kevin and Dennis and plenty of others, 1409 01:07:05.559 --> 01:07:09.000 namely yourself and others that were on the support staff. 1410 01:07:09.440 --> 01:07:12.039 Over the course of twenty five years, it was built 1411 01:07:12.079 --> 01:07:15.159 into one of the most enviable cultures. 1412 01:07:14.719 --> 01:07:16.159 In pro basketball. 1413 01:07:16.280 --> 01:07:19.800 Greg Popovich talked often about his fondness of Jerry and 1414 01:07:19.840 --> 01:07:22.280 wanting to build the Spurs the way Jerry built the Jazz. 1415 01:07:22.639 --> 01:07:23.960 And I want to be clear, three and a half 1416 01:07:24.039 --> 01:07:26.639 years under Ryan, I'm not saying either good or bad. 1417 01:07:26.679 --> 01:07:28.960 I am saying different. I think we have enough data 1418 01:07:29.000 --> 01:07:31.840 at our disposal and say difference and we'll see if 1419 01:07:31.840 --> 01:07:34.000 it breeds something long term that it hasn't been able 1420 01:07:34.000 --> 01:07:34.719 to breed so far. 1421 01:07:34.800 --> 01:07:37.320 But juxtaposed to the two approaches, you. 1422 01:07:37.239 --> 01:07:40.360 Were under the mill under the Miller umbrella for a 1423 01:07:40.440 --> 01:07:41.119 number of years. 1424 01:07:41.119 --> 01:07:42.199 You saw at front row. 1425 01:07:42.440 --> 01:07:45.679 How did they go about their business of building such 1426 01:07:45.679 --> 01:07:48.719 an enviable culture and what are we hoping that this 1427 01:07:48.800 --> 01:07:51.239 early project of Ryan ultimately ends up looking like? 1428 01:07:51.599 --> 01:07:55.119 Well, the Millers came in remember Spence, in the mid eighties, 1429 01:07:55.199 --> 01:07:58.639 in eighty forty five eighty six, and bought the team 1430 01:07:58.679 --> 01:08:02.480 from Sam Batistone who was who was looking to sell 1431 01:08:02.559 --> 01:08:05.639 the team, and Larry Miller came in and and and 1432 01:08:05.679 --> 01:08:08.760 grabbed them and save them from moving. Really, they were 1433 01:08:08.760 --> 01:08:12.000 about to move to Heathen, Minnesota or Miami at that time. 1434 01:08:12.519 --> 01:08:15.079 And Larry literally came in and the you know, to 1435 01:08:15.199 --> 01:08:19.600 use a baseball axiom with Larry and his baseball affinity, 1436 01:08:20.000 --> 01:08:21.560 you know, came in the bottom of the ninth of 1437 01:08:21.640 --> 01:08:24.680 two outs and pinch hit and hit a home run 1438 01:08:24.800 --> 01:08:27.840 and and uh, you know. But but really the culture 1439 01:08:27.880 --> 01:08:31.479 of the Jazz was the foundation was laid when they 1440 01:08:31.520 --> 01:08:34.079 first moved to Salt Lake City from New Orleans in 1441 01:08:34.159 --> 01:08:37.399 nineteen seventy nine. With the hiring of Frank Laden as 1442 01:08:37.399 --> 01:08:40.720 the general manager. And it was Frank who had to 1443 01:08:40.760 --> 01:08:42.640 build up a team that was not a good team 1444 01:08:42.640 --> 01:08:43.399 in New Orleans. 1445 01:08:43.760 --> 01:08:46.119 They had been there for five years and expansion team. 1446 01:08:46.199 --> 01:08:48.760 The only thing they had to market at that time 1447 01:08:49.560 --> 01:08:53.439 was a one legged Pete Maravich and and they tried 1448 01:08:53.439 --> 01:08:55.520 to do the best they could, but Pete only played 1449 01:08:55.560 --> 01:08:59.199 a handful of games, you know, in Utah and was 1450 01:08:59.239 --> 01:09:03.079 moved to the Boston Celtics, and and and he was 1451 01:09:03.079 --> 01:09:05.640 at the end of his career because of injuries. But 1452 01:09:05.880 --> 01:09:10.039 Frank built the team up in the eighties, block by block, 1453 01:09:10.439 --> 01:09:13.239 you know. It was Daryl Griffith in the nineteen eighty 1454 01:09:13.319 --> 01:09:16.159 draft as a number two pick. It was Thorough Bailey 1455 01:09:16.199 --> 01:09:18.680 as a number six pick. It was Mark Eaton as 1456 01:09:18.720 --> 01:09:22.239 a fourth round pick. It was John Stockton as number sixteen, 1457 01:09:22.359 --> 01:09:25.800 Karl Malone is number thirteen. It was year by year 1458 01:09:26.039 --> 01:09:26.760 and just. 1459 01:09:26.720 --> 01:09:29.239 Pass real quick. That's a phenomenal hit rate. 1460 01:09:29.439 --> 01:09:32.560 Yes, well yeah, historically special hit rate. 1461 01:09:32.720 --> 01:09:35.279 Sorry, yeah, yea yeah, continue, he got done. 1462 01:09:35.199 --> 01:09:38.039 On me, you know. And and and you're throwing Bobby Hanson. 1463 01:09:37.920 --> 01:09:40.840 Who was a four a third round pick, yeah, out 1464 01:09:40.880 --> 01:09:43.199 of Iowa in that mix, and and those are the 1465 01:09:43.239 --> 01:09:46.880 guys that they brought in. But it was, you know, 1466 01:09:47.560 --> 01:09:51.359 a block by block building spens and they came here. 1467 01:09:51.399 --> 01:09:53.239 Seventy nine, Frank took over. 1468 01:09:53.359 --> 01:09:55.479 Then he took over as a coach and general manager 1469 01:09:55.520 --> 01:09:57.960 in eighty two, and then it was eighty four that 1470 01:09:58.000 --> 01:10:01.399 they won their first division tie know, coach and executive 1471 01:10:01.399 --> 01:10:02.960 the year for our guys, the only. 1472 01:10:02.800 --> 01:10:05.239 The only person who's ever done that in the NBA history. 1473 01:10:05.560 --> 01:10:08.279 And then uh, and then a eighty five they draft 1474 01:10:08.319 --> 01:10:11.319 Karme alone and and uh. But but these were all things, 1475 01:10:11.640 --> 01:10:14.760 you know, some of them were things and you say, okay, okay, 1476 01:10:14.760 --> 01:10:17.359 I'm a pretty smart guy. I knew that guy would 1477 01:10:17.399 --> 01:10:20.520 be a good player, okay. And some of it is, 1478 01:10:20.640 --> 01:10:23.399 as I know you talked about earlier, you have to 1479 01:10:23.439 --> 01:10:25.479 be lucky. And other guys have said this, and and 1480 01:10:25.560 --> 01:10:28.079 people don't want to hear that because then it sounds like, 1481 01:10:28.279 --> 01:10:31.520 well then why is why are these guys running the show. 1482 01:10:31.800 --> 01:10:33.680 It sounds like anybody can do. 1483 01:10:33.680 --> 01:10:36.800 It if you're just relying on luck, and anybody can 1484 01:10:36.840 --> 01:10:40.079 go to Vegas and Roll of seven or whatever. Yeah, 1485 01:10:40.159 --> 01:10:42.000 but but what you have to have is you have 1486 01:10:42.079 --> 01:10:44.520 to have some kind of a game plan. You have 1487 01:10:44.560 --> 01:10:48.279 to have some kind of consistency and and willingness to 1488 01:10:48.399 --> 01:10:51.479 stick to that and the belief that what we're doing 1489 01:10:52.000 --> 01:10:56.479 we believe makes sense. We think it's gonna work out, 1490 01:10:57.199 --> 01:10:59.439 but we just have to stick to our guns in 1491 01:10:59.520 --> 01:11:02.600 terms of how we're doing it. The Jazz in the 1492 01:11:02.640 --> 01:11:06.479 eighties did it blocked by block. They get John Stockton, 1493 01:11:06.520 --> 01:11:09.399 who they pulled out of the draft at sixteen. Okay, 1494 01:11:09.760 --> 01:11:12.039 they get credit for that. And you know, Frank has 1495 01:11:12.079 --> 01:11:16.039 often said, as I know Gordon Monson said earlier on 1496 01:11:16.079 --> 01:11:18.640 the air, that you know, Frank has often said, Hey, 1497 01:11:18.640 --> 01:11:21.119 if we knew John was gonna be John, we would 1498 01:11:21.159 --> 01:11:23.279 try to move up the top five together. You know, 1499 01:11:23.600 --> 01:11:26.399 that's where we ends up being right. But then Karl 1500 01:11:26.479 --> 01:11:29.680 Malone in that draft in eighty five, everybody in the 1501 01:11:29.760 --> 01:11:34.359 league had Karl Malone slotted five, six, seven in the draft, 1502 01:11:34.680 --> 01:11:37.680 and for whatever the individual reasons are, of all those 1503 01:11:37.760 --> 01:11:42.199 teams between five and twelve, they each passed on him, 1504 01:11:42.680 --> 01:11:45.079 and then he ended up with the Jazz at thirteen. 1505 01:11:45.119 --> 01:11:47.319 And I remember Scott Layden saying, and. 1506 01:11:47.239 --> 01:11:49.640 That was the The John Stockton draft was the first 1507 01:11:49.640 --> 01:11:53.640 one I was involved in directly, and the Karmelone was 1508 01:11:53.640 --> 01:11:56.960 the second. But yeah, I remember Scott saying to his dad, well, 1509 01:11:57.359 --> 01:11:59.479 you know, if Malone is there at thirteen, we just 1510 01:11:59.520 --> 01:12:01.960 have to take him because he's he's the best talent 1511 01:12:02.399 --> 01:12:05.079 that's there, and we just have to roll with that 1512 01:12:05.199 --> 01:12:06.239 and see what that is. 1513 01:12:06.399 --> 01:12:10.600 And then I remember Frank in the post. 1514 01:12:09.640 --> 01:12:13.680 Draft interview saying to the to the press, well, somebody 1515 01:12:13.720 --> 01:12:15.640 asked him, you know, do you hope Malone comes in 1516 01:12:15.640 --> 01:12:19.199 and scores the way he wasn't Louisiana Tech, And Frank 1517 01:12:19.239 --> 01:12:21.720 famously said, well, we have enough scoring. 1518 01:12:22.239 --> 01:12:22.600 Okay. 1519 01:12:22.640 --> 01:12:25.520 We have Daryl Griffith, we have Adrian Dantley, we have 1520 01:12:25.600 --> 01:12:27.840 the sixth Man of the Year, John Drew. We have 1521 01:12:27.920 --> 01:12:31.119 Ricky Green as more of a scoring point guard. What 1522 01:12:31.199 --> 01:12:33.479 we need is someone to come in and get rebounds 1523 01:12:33.479 --> 01:12:37.039 because we're the third worst rebounding team in the league. Okay, 1524 01:12:37.079 --> 01:12:40.880 we're becoming competitive, but we need to show up our rebounding. 1525 01:12:40.920 --> 01:12:43.640 So we hope he does that and provides us some 1526 01:12:43.720 --> 01:12:47.560 kind of big physical presence in post defense. If he 1527 01:12:47.640 --> 01:12:50.960 scores ten or twelve points a game, then that's a bonus, 1528 01:12:51.239 --> 01:12:53.319 because you know, we don't really need that, you know, 1529 01:12:54.039 --> 01:12:56.960 And how does it turn out right and then until 1530 01:12:57.039 --> 01:13:00.079 thirty five thousand points later or whatever it was. So 1531 01:13:00.359 --> 01:13:03.119 that's the kind of thing that I know, the current 1532 01:13:03.159 --> 01:13:07.039 iteration of the Jazz and the new ownership group with 1533 01:13:07.159 --> 01:13:10.159 the Ryan Smith and Danny Ainge heading up the basketball operations, 1534 01:13:10.479 --> 01:13:15.159 they're hoping that that type of thing occurs and takes place. 1535 01:13:15.640 --> 01:13:19.079 Some of that you can control. Some of it is 1536 01:13:19.199 --> 01:13:22.880 stuff that you in terms of your evaluation. Some might 1537 01:13:22.920 --> 01:13:25.239 be a move you make. Now I know you referenced 1538 01:13:25.279 --> 01:13:29.439 earlier Walker Kessler. Walker Kessler is an improving young big man. 1539 01:13:29.800 --> 01:13:31.960 He wasn't a draft pick of theirs. He was technically 1540 01:13:32.039 --> 01:13:35.079 a draft pick of Minnesota's correct and then they traded 1541 01:13:35.199 --> 01:13:37.039 him in the Rudy Gobert trade. 1542 01:13:36.720 --> 01:13:39.079 And so the Jazz got him in a trade. 1543 01:13:39.359 --> 01:13:42.720 They got Marking in as part of the Donovan Mitchell trade. 1544 01:13:42.800 --> 01:13:45.239 So they got him in a trade. So those are 1545 01:13:45.239 --> 01:13:47.920 two guys that they like at the moment. Marking and 1546 01:13:48.000 --> 01:13:50.960 shown he's an all star level player. Kessler's getting better 1547 01:13:50.960 --> 01:13:54.000 in his third year. Okay, maybe they got two guys. 1548 01:13:54.319 --> 01:13:56.279 Now they got all the draft picks they've used the 1549 01:13:56.359 --> 01:14:01.119 last two years. You know, smattering of result Alt's good, bad, 1550 01:14:01.239 --> 01:14:06.079 in between something something that's still to be determined. Okay, 1551 01:14:06.319 --> 01:14:11.119 nobody's jumped out, uh, like like Carmelone did. Nobody's jumped 1552 01:14:11.159 --> 01:14:14.000 out like Donovan Mitchell did at the moment. 1553 01:14:15.399 --> 01:14:15.560 You know. 1554 01:14:15.680 --> 01:14:18.439 Darren Williams, you know, was an All star level Olympian 1555 01:14:18.439 --> 01:14:20.840 player for the Jazz for six years. You know, But 1556 01:14:20.920 --> 01:14:23.880 Darren Williams didn't start when he was a rookie. You know, 1557 01:14:23.920 --> 01:14:24.600 he came off the. 1558 01:14:24.520 --> 01:14:26.960 Bench and he didn't like it, and Jerry didn't want 1559 01:14:27.000 --> 01:14:27.680 to start it, and. 1560 01:14:27.640 --> 01:14:29.079 Want heard about that situation. 1561 01:14:29.600 --> 01:14:32.520 Well yeah, but his second year but but I mean, Darren, 1562 01:14:32.680 --> 01:14:36.039 I think personally a better player because Darren realized, well, 1563 01:14:36.199 --> 01:14:37.880 they're not gonna give me anything. 1564 01:14:37.920 --> 01:14:39.640 I gotta go get it right. 1565 01:14:39.880 --> 01:14:43.319 And so his second year he became, you know, a 1566 01:14:43.359 --> 01:14:44.359 bona fide player. 1567 01:14:44.439 --> 01:14:46.479 His third year he was a cornerstone. 1568 01:14:46.800 --> 01:14:49.920 Then with Carlos Boozer and Memeto, core Andre Carolenko and 1569 01:14:50.000 --> 01:14:53.079 Ronnie Brewer and those guys started getting it going. So 1570 01:14:53.720 --> 01:14:57.159 that's what the current Jazz are hoping happens and has 1571 01:14:57.199 --> 01:15:00.960 not yet. Uh, their guys have not s own up yet. 1572 01:15:02.640 --> 01:15:07.119 But as the analogy we've used before, Spence, h you know, 1573 01:15:07.319 --> 01:15:10.560 is like the the prospect of mining for gold in 1574 01:15:10.600 --> 01:15:13.159 the river, and he puts his pan in the water 1575 01:15:13.239 --> 01:15:15.239 and he shakes it and shakes it and gets all 1576 01:15:15.279 --> 01:15:17.319 the sentiment and rocks out and whatever, and he hopes 1577 01:15:17.359 --> 01:15:19.479 there's a nugget of gold and there, and if there's not, 1578 01:15:19.840 --> 01:15:21.760 then he puts his pan in the water again and 1579 01:15:21.840 --> 01:15:22.560 tries it again. 1580 01:15:22.600 --> 01:15:24.840 And that's what they're doing with their players now. 1581 01:15:24.880 --> 01:15:27.520 So that's why you see players coming in, maybe playing 1582 01:15:27.520 --> 01:15:31.159 weird rotations, maybe looking at stuff where guys are out 1583 01:15:31.159 --> 01:15:33.640 of position. You don't like where they're playing, don't like 1584 01:15:33.640 --> 01:15:36.760 how they're playing at that position. But that's what where 1585 01:15:36.800 --> 01:15:40.199 they're at the moment. They're experimenting to see, do we 1586 01:15:40.359 --> 01:15:42.399 have anybody here that we. 1587 01:15:42.319 --> 01:15:44.840 Can use going forward, that we can develop. 1588 01:15:45.239 --> 01:15:48.680 And at some point they'll look at it and they'll say, 1589 01:15:49.000 --> 01:15:52.560 that guy we like some we can keep working with him. 1590 01:15:52.760 --> 01:15:55.560 That guy over there, we don't like him as much. 1591 01:15:55.680 --> 01:15:58.399 It doesn't look like he's making any progress, and we're 1592 01:15:58.439 --> 01:16:00.479 going to try and move on from him and just 1593 01:16:01.159 --> 01:16:04.079 keep trolling in the river and trying to get guys 1594 01:16:04.119 --> 01:16:06.800 in here who we think can help us move forward 1595 01:16:06.800 --> 01:16:07.520 in the process. 1596 01:16:07.920 --> 01:16:11.279 Does Frank get enough credit for being a talent talent 1597 01:16:11.319 --> 01:16:14.159 evaluator because the list you just and I talk about 1598 01:16:14.159 --> 01:16:18.479 this all the time, because Danny Ainge has a really 1599 01:16:18.560 --> 01:16:21.279 solid draft track record that includes a lot of big 1600 01:16:21.319 --> 01:16:24.079 time hits and a lot of big time misses, some 1601 01:16:24.159 --> 01:16:25.119 who didn't play in the league. 1602 01:16:25.199 --> 01:16:26.920 With everybody, that's where I was going. 1603 01:16:26.960 --> 01:16:29.319 And there's no exception at Dennis, who I think we 1604 01:16:29.399 --> 01:16:33.520 all liked and respected, hit two massive Grand slams, some 1605 01:16:33.560 --> 01:16:35.199 other singles, and some guys that didn't work out. 1606 01:16:35.199 --> 01:16:35.960 It's part of the deal. 1607 01:16:36.760 --> 01:16:38.760 But the list you just ran off. We think of 1608 01:16:38.800 --> 01:16:40.880 Frank as a great coach. We think of Frank as 1609 01:16:40.920 --> 01:16:43.479 a great communicator. We think Frank has a great leader 1610 01:16:43.479 --> 01:16:46.600 of men. We think of him as an entertaining, funny personality. 1611 01:16:47.119 --> 01:16:49.399 Does he get enough credit for the way he evaluated 1612 01:16:49.520 --> 01:16:50.840 talent for those early days. 1613 01:16:50.880 --> 01:16:51.680 I all that he does. 1614 01:16:51.760 --> 01:16:52.000 Yeah. 1615 01:16:52.039 --> 01:16:54.560 I think part of it, Spence, is that he tried 1616 01:16:54.600 --> 01:16:57.399 to deflect how bad the team was in the early 1617 01:16:57.520 --> 01:17:02.439 years by using his personality, you know, and his affability 1618 01:17:03.079 --> 01:17:05.720 with the press and with the public to kind of 1619 01:17:05.760 --> 01:17:09.119 deflect some of that stuff. He was a tough basketball master. 1620 01:17:09.239 --> 01:17:11.600 You ask any of the players who played for him, 1621 01:17:11.600 --> 01:17:15.479 in terms of day to day in practice, demanding how 1622 01:17:15.479 --> 01:17:18.239 they do certain things. That's why he brought in Jerry 1623 01:17:18.239 --> 01:17:20.159 Sloan as an assistant coach. 1624 01:17:20.199 --> 01:17:21.720 That's why he turned it over. 1625 01:17:21.760 --> 01:17:25.720 To Jerry Sloan in eighty nine because he felt like, hey, 1626 01:17:25.800 --> 01:17:29.119 Jerry can do this better than I can. But Frank 1627 01:17:29.319 --> 01:17:33.119 was very good at getting the most he could out 1628 01:17:33.119 --> 01:17:35.439 of the players by understanding who. 1629 01:17:35.319 --> 01:17:37.960 They were and then playing to their strengths. 1630 01:17:38.199 --> 01:17:40.800 But also the guy who doesn't get enough credit in 1631 01:17:40.840 --> 01:17:44.520 my opinion during that time was a young Scott Lade. 1632 01:17:44.680 --> 01:17:45.640 Because Scott was. 1633 01:17:45.560 --> 01:17:50.720 In charge of the personnel, He's in charge of scouting spends. 1634 01:17:50.840 --> 01:17:54.279 This is an age in the eighties when an assistant 1635 01:17:54.359 --> 01:17:57.039 coach on the bench like Scott Laden also had like 1636 01:17:57.119 --> 01:18:00.840 five other jobs in the organization of them for him 1637 01:18:01.199 --> 01:18:04.199 was scouting and and and running the draft. 1638 01:18:04.359 --> 01:18:05.960 When when each time when. 1639 01:18:05.800 --> 01:18:08.760 The spring, when spring came around, and so Scott was 1640 01:18:08.840 --> 01:18:12.520 coaching and helping in practice, devising a game plan and 1641 01:18:12.600 --> 01:18:14.960 practice and then if they had an off date, getting 1642 01:18:15.000 --> 01:18:17.920 on a plane at three o'clock and flying to Vegas 1643 01:18:18.000 --> 01:18:20.119 or flying to l A or wherever it was to 1644 01:18:20.159 --> 01:18:23.039 see a college game that night, to do college scouting, 1645 01:18:23.079 --> 01:18:26.279 because that's just how thin the staff was at that time. 1646 01:18:26.319 --> 01:18:28.800 That's how I got involved initially, was to. 1647 01:18:28.680 --> 01:18:30.479 Come in and try and help in terms of doing 1648 01:18:30.520 --> 01:18:33.880 some of the college scouting and and uh the personnel 1649 01:18:34.000 --> 01:18:37.039 stuff in that regard and and uh. But but Frank 1650 01:18:37.079 --> 01:18:40.399 and Scott built the foundation, and they built that culture 1651 01:18:40.840 --> 01:18:44.439 with the idea, with the Miller's consent, and and and 1652 01:18:44.479 --> 01:18:48.520 with with the UH, with the foresight of saying, we're 1653 01:18:48.560 --> 01:18:51.680 gonna do this the the right the way we think 1654 01:18:51.800 --> 01:18:54.319 is right, and we're gonna do it step by step. 1655 01:18:54.640 --> 01:18:57.439 We're not gonna we're gonna not gonna skip any steps 1656 01:18:57.439 --> 01:19:00.760 in the process, and we're just gonna to see how 1657 01:19:00.800 --> 01:19:03.399 we can do it. Now, you have that in place, 1658 01:19:03.800 --> 01:19:07.720 and you follow that game plan, but you have to 1659 01:19:07.880 --> 01:19:12.399 have in this example, some other teams in the process 1660 01:19:12.880 --> 01:19:15.640 that where things you get we're talking about getting lucky. 1661 01:19:15.720 --> 01:19:15.920 Right. 1662 01:19:16.720 --> 01:19:19.840 We thought Carllone in that draft was gonna go five 1663 01:19:19.880 --> 01:19:21.600 to sixt seven, right, There's no way he. 1664 01:19:21.640 --> 01:19:23.760 Was falling past Dallas at seven. 1665 01:19:24.159 --> 01:19:26.760 That was our that that was our feeling, our evaluation 1666 01:19:27.159 --> 01:19:29.720 and talking to other teams around the league as you 1667 01:19:29.760 --> 01:19:34.800 always do in draft preparation. So Carl alone gets drafted 1668 01:19:34.840 --> 01:19:38.399 by Dallas. He has the career that he had here 1669 01:19:38.560 --> 01:19:43.720 in Dallas. He's Novitski right in Dallas. But they don't 1670 01:19:43.800 --> 01:19:47.000 they take They take the Garnet kid for Wyoming. Then 1671 01:19:47.159 --> 01:19:49.520 the team is picking eight, the team was picking nine 1672 01:19:49.560 --> 01:19:53.520 picking twelve was Washington who took Kenny Green out of 1673 01:19:53.560 --> 01:19:56.800 wake Forest instead of Carl, and so we the Jazz 1674 01:19:56.920 --> 01:19:59.840 end up with Carl at thirteen. There's a lot of 1675 01:20:00.079 --> 01:20:04.159 those stories spence around the league where a team said, 1676 01:20:04.760 --> 01:20:07.479 I got this guy. If we can get that guy, 1677 01:20:08.239 --> 01:20:11.319 you know, we're gonna grab him and he's gonna be 1678 01:20:11.319 --> 01:20:15.520 good for us. And oh, they don't get that guy because. 1679 01:20:15.199 --> 01:20:17.960 A team three picks in front of them took him. 1680 01:20:18.199 --> 01:20:21.479 And so you never hear about, oh, those guys had 1681 01:20:21.479 --> 01:20:22.079 it wired. 1682 01:20:22.600 --> 01:20:24.239 It's just that they didn't. 1683 01:20:23.920 --> 01:20:27.000 Get to that guy to be able to exercise that 1684 01:20:27.720 --> 01:20:30.319 pick and to show that they that they had done 1685 01:20:30.319 --> 01:20:32.319 their homework and were on target. 1686 01:20:32.399 --> 01:20:36.039 And so the Jazz were fortunate in those years. 1687 01:20:36.560 --> 01:20:39.119 And the other part of that equation that people have 1688 01:20:39.199 --> 01:20:42.239 heard before is that now you've got two Hall of 1689 01:20:42.279 --> 01:20:47.239 Fame players, they play together for eighteen years, and thirteen 1690 01:20:47.359 --> 01:20:52.439 of those eighteen years neither guy misses a game. So 1691 01:20:52.520 --> 01:20:56.640 they play eight preseason games, they play eighty two regular 1692 01:20:56.720 --> 01:21:00.279 season games, they play in the playoffs every year, so 1693 01:21:00.319 --> 01:21:03.079 you're talking about the neighborhood of one hundred games a year. 1694 01:21:04.000 --> 01:21:08.199 This year, both your best players play every game. Next year, 1695 01:21:08.760 --> 01:21:11.760 both your best players play every game the next year, 1696 01:21:12.079 --> 01:21:16.560 both you But that's you know, so that's part of 1697 01:21:16.560 --> 01:21:20.600 that luck process, like, oh we got him? Who who's 1698 01:21:20.640 --> 01:21:24.479 the example that Kevin Durant Phoenix is Like I can't 1699 01:21:24.520 --> 01:21:26.800 remember if I a nine and two or something this 1700 01:21:26.880 --> 01:21:29.600 year with Kevin Durant in the lineup. But when he's 1701 01:21:29.640 --> 01:21:31.920 not in the lineup, they're like two and ten or 1702 01:21:31.960 --> 01:21:36.880 whatever it is. But he's in, he's out, he's hurt, 1703 01:21:36.960 --> 01:21:39.239 he's got a dang, he's you know, whenever it is. 1704 01:21:39.560 --> 01:21:41.399 And that's you know, with a lot of guys are 1705 01:21:41.439 --> 01:21:43.600 like in and out of the line Bradley Beal, you know, 1706 01:21:43.640 --> 01:21:46.359 they're hanging a lot of money on him, and he's 1707 01:21:46.439 --> 01:21:48.560 been in and out, you know, because of injuries. And 1708 01:21:48.600 --> 01:21:50.960 so those are the kind of things you have to 1709 01:21:51.239 --> 01:21:54.000 have fall your way that. 1710 01:21:54.319 --> 01:21:55.439 Beyond your control. 1711 01:21:55.720 --> 01:21:58.479 And anybody on the jazz who says, oh yeah, well 1712 01:21:58.520 --> 01:22:03.319 we we had special medicine, and we had special medical 1713 01:22:03.399 --> 01:22:07.640 knowledge and foresight to know that that John Stockton was 1714 01:22:07.680 --> 01:22:10.439 going to play every game every year, and Carl alone 1715 01:22:10.760 --> 01:22:14.840 was gonna miss twelve games in his eighteen year Jazz career. 1716 01:22:15.479 --> 01:22:18.079 And you'd go, come on, man, come on, you know 1717 01:22:18.159 --> 01:22:20.560 that you can't plan for that. Yeah. 1718 01:22:20.680 --> 01:22:22.960 Yeah, So let's let me ask you this and we'll 1719 01:22:22.960 --> 01:22:24.479 move on to some other things. But I think this 1720 01:22:24.560 --> 01:22:28.640 is fascinating topically, and I just want to reset, you know, 1721 01:22:28.720 --> 01:22:32.079 because I really am. My goal is to never be unfair. 1722 01:22:32.159 --> 01:22:35.199 I never want to be unfair. I want to be honest, authentic, 1723 01:22:35.239 --> 01:22:36.680 call the way I see it, and then just ask 1724 01:22:36.840 --> 01:22:40.359 questions about the process. That's the role of the fourth 1725 01:22:40.399 --> 01:22:42.560 of state media, you know, to do that. And so 1726 01:22:43.439 --> 01:22:46.239 you know, we talked about John Carl in the early years, 1727 01:22:46.279 --> 01:22:48.520 and I've got the list of Jazz draft. 1728 01:22:48.359 --> 01:22:49.000 Picks pulled up. 1729 01:22:49.039 --> 01:22:50.880 You guys didn't hit everything out of the park, as 1730 01:22:50.880 --> 01:22:54.399 we already talked about, because no front office does. But oftentimes, 1731 01:22:54.439 --> 01:22:58.279 whether it was Kevin drafting Hayward or you guys taking 1732 01:22:58.319 --> 01:23:02.000 care Linko in the second round, it felt like more 1733 01:23:02.039 --> 01:23:04.560 often than not, whether it was in the draft or 1734 01:23:04.680 --> 01:23:09.600 via trade or whatever. Scottie, Kevin Dennis able to make 1735 01:23:09.720 --> 01:23:13.399 acquisitions that felt like they were your guys. I think 1736 01:23:13.479 --> 01:23:18.159 the jazz DNA Dennis. You talk about jazz DNA and 1737 01:23:18.720 --> 01:23:21.319 so you guys would go about your business. Paul Millsap's 1738 01:23:21.319 --> 01:23:23.520 another example. In the second round, you found a dude 1739 01:23:23.520 --> 01:23:27.119 that just fits what you want to do. So far 1740 01:23:27.199 --> 01:23:30.119 in three and a half years, is it just this 1741 01:23:30.159 --> 01:23:33.039 is going to take time for the new ownership group 1742 01:23:33.079 --> 01:23:37.359 to establish what their culture looks like, because as you reference, 1743 01:23:37.439 --> 01:23:40.399 you know three years ago, no first round picks, make 1744 01:23:40.439 --> 01:23:42.520 a couple of trades that bringing out child Bogie didn't 1745 01:23:42.560 --> 01:23:44.760 work out. Walker Kessler has been the prize of that 1746 01:23:44.840 --> 01:23:47.319 deal with Gobert. So far in your three he's evolving, 1747 01:23:48.000 --> 01:23:51.359 but last year Taylor hendricks on the shelf sadly broken leg. Yeah, 1748 01:23:51.359 --> 01:23:53.479 I still think he has a shot, but left the 1749 01:23:53.479 --> 01:23:57.000 sea's out for a while. Kyante mixed results. You know 1750 01:23:57.079 --> 01:23:59.520 some night like okay, you got some other night you're like, 1751 01:23:59.640 --> 01:24:02.560 is he a pro? I don't even know? Sense of Bob, 1752 01:24:03.439 --> 01:24:05.600 I don't know, man, maybe rotational at some point. Then 1753 01:24:05.600 --> 01:24:07.840 this year it's Kyle Philipowski at times has shown a 1754 01:24:07.840 --> 01:24:11.159 few things as a a Collier who's actually a guy 1755 01:24:11.199 --> 01:24:13.079 on the roster that's played lead guard before. 1756 01:24:13.239 --> 01:24:17.119 But Cody Williams ge league. To your point, none of the. 1757 01:24:17.239 --> 01:24:21.000 Six players they've drafted over the course of Danny justin. 1758 01:24:20.920 --> 01:24:25.000 Doing their thing have popped so far. And I don't 1759 01:24:25.000 --> 01:24:26.960 want to be unfair, but is it just gonna take some. 1760 01:24:26.960 --> 01:24:29.279 Time to build the culture so we kind of get 1761 01:24:29.279 --> 01:24:31.319 the same feeling we used to get when you guys 1762 01:24:31.399 --> 01:24:34.479 would draft a Paul Millsaff or Gordon Hayward where it 1763 01:24:34.520 --> 01:24:36.319 felt like, Okay, yeah, that's a Jazz guy. 1764 01:24:36.640 --> 01:24:41.279 Well, again, the current the current group that's making those 1765 01:24:41.279 --> 01:24:44.680 decisions for the Jazz, Uh, they have, whatever their their 1766 01:24:44.720 --> 01:24:48.119 game plan, that blueprint is, you know, the kind of 1767 01:24:48.159 --> 01:24:49.479 guys they want to get. 1768 01:24:50.640 --> 01:24:52.520 I'm not privy to what that is. 1769 01:24:53.039 --> 01:24:55.560 The you know, when I was with the Jazz all 1770 01:24:55.600 --> 01:24:58.319 the years that we had, whether it was Scott Laden 1771 01:24:58.399 --> 01:25:02.600 or Kevin O'Connor, Dennis Lindsay, we had a specific blueprint 1772 01:25:02.680 --> 01:25:05.640 in mind of the type of guys that we wanted 1773 01:25:05.680 --> 01:25:09.119 to get right, not just skill wise, not just basketball 1774 01:25:09.880 --> 01:25:13.319 ability and talent, but the type of people off the 1775 01:25:13.399 --> 01:25:17.359 floor and not not just being a goodie two shoes guy, 1776 01:25:17.840 --> 01:25:20.319 and that sometimes I got blown up in the in 1777 01:25:20.359 --> 01:25:21.680 the in the local. 1778 01:25:21.399 --> 01:25:23.720 Media because well with Salt Lake. 1779 01:25:23.720 --> 01:25:26.279 Or you know, we're conservative communities, so we need all 1780 01:25:26.279 --> 01:25:28.960 these you know, angels, you know, on the team or whatever. 1781 01:25:28.960 --> 01:25:30.439 It wasn't it wasn't anything like that. 1782 01:25:30.640 --> 01:25:34.520 It was about guys we thought were good people who 1783 01:25:34.520 --> 01:25:37.880 would come and work hard, who really had some kind 1784 01:25:37.880 --> 01:25:42.920 of intestinal fortitude where they had pride in being as 1785 01:25:43.000 --> 01:25:46.640 good of a professional basketball player as they could, so 1786 01:25:46.680 --> 01:25:49.600 they would come to work every day and and lay 1787 01:25:49.640 --> 01:25:52.399 it out there and and and try and get better 1788 01:25:52.800 --> 01:25:54.399 and had the pride in doing that. 1789 01:25:54.800 --> 01:25:56.800 I'm sure the current group of the. 1790 01:25:56.840 --> 01:25:59.960 Jazz has some you know, some measure of what they're 1791 01:26:00.199 --> 01:26:03.840 trying the kind of player they're trying to get. Maybe 1792 01:26:03.880 --> 01:26:06.359 they haven't gotten him at time. Maybe there's some guys 1793 01:26:06.399 --> 01:26:09.439 who are terrific young players in the league who the 1794 01:26:09.520 --> 01:26:12.239 Jazz would say, well, we had that guy, that's what 1795 01:26:12.359 --> 01:26:15.079 we wanted, but so and so took him two picks 1796 01:26:15.119 --> 01:26:19.439 before us, or whatever it is, and so and those 1797 01:26:19.479 --> 01:26:23.359 things happen all the time to your point. To this point, 1798 01:26:23.800 --> 01:26:27.319 the one thing I would say, just in looking at 1799 01:26:27.319 --> 01:26:30.760 the view from thirty thousand feet. You know, the Jazz 1800 01:26:30.840 --> 01:26:36.439 had a very competitive team in place when Ryan Smith 1801 01:26:36.479 --> 01:26:40.359 took over the organization. They had a top five team 1802 01:26:40.399 --> 01:26:45.159 both record wise, statistically, analytically, all that stuff. They had 1803 01:26:46.039 --> 01:26:49.039 three All stars if you count Mike Conley, but two 1804 01:26:49.159 --> 01:26:52.560 main all stars who were young guys coming into their 1805 01:26:52.600 --> 01:26:57.319 prime and signed to long term deals, multi year deals 1806 01:26:57.319 --> 01:26:59.800 at that time. So that ship was ready to go. 1807 01:27:00.079 --> 01:27:02.560 That was that was moving out of the harbor into 1808 01:27:02.640 --> 01:27:03.479 open waters. 1809 01:27:03.560 --> 01:27:05.159 Okay, let's see what we got. 1810 01:27:05.399 --> 01:27:08.560 And for whatever their reason, which which I don't know, 1811 01:27:09.000 --> 01:27:14.000 they decided in quick order and within really like an 1812 01:27:14.000 --> 01:27:16.960 eighteen month period, that they didn't think that was gonna 1813 01:27:17.000 --> 01:27:20.199 be good enough to compete year in and year out, 1814 01:27:20.479 --> 01:27:23.159 and so they got rid of everybody and they started 1815 01:27:23.239 --> 01:27:24.079 over from scratch. 1816 01:27:24.159 --> 01:27:28.319 And so that was a decision they made to do that. 1817 01:27:28.359 --> 01:27:29.279 They've got put the. 1818 01:27:29.239 --> 01:27:32.520 Team in the position they're in now, which is struggling, 1819 01:27:32.760 --> 01:27:35.000 which is trying to find young guys they can do. 1820 01:27:36.199 --> 01:27:37.920 You know, what's interesting to me is that they not 1821 01:27:37.960 --> 01:27:41.000 only have young guys that they're trying to develop, but 1822 01:27:41.039 --> 01:27:44.279 they also have young coaches that they're. 1823 01:27:44.079 --> 01:27:44.800 Trying to develop. 1824 01:27:44.840 --> 01:27:47.479 Will Hardy obviously is a young, the second youngest coach 1825 01:27:47.520 --> 01:27:50.720 in the league is hadn't been a head coach before, 1826 01:27:51.079 --> 01:27:51.920 and it looks like he. 1827 01:27:51.920 --> 01:27:54.800 Knows what he's doing. A really good guy, a. 1828 01:27:54.720 --> 01:28:00.000 Really solid guy, a hard nosed basketball mind, if you will. 1829 01:28:00.680 --> 01:28:03.520 But they also have all of their coaching staff for 1830 01:28:03.680 --> 01:28:07.000 young guys. They don't have any veterans who have been 1831 01:28:07.000 --> 01:28:10.359 through the NBA wars. They don't have any guys who 1832 01:28:10.560 --> 01:28:13.239 who who have been through the ups and downs and 1833 01:28:13.319 --> 01:28:16.199 can kind of, you know, leverage things a certain way. 1834 01:28:17.000 --> 01:28:20.319 So they have young players and they have young coaches, 1835 01:28:20.800 --> 01:28:25.520 and so sometimes that mix is gonna have difficulty getting 1836 01:28:25.560 --> 01:28:29.479 any traction and get anything going forward on any consistent 1837 01:28:29.640 --> 01:28:33.399 level because you just don't have those veterans, either on 1838 01:28:33.439 --> 01:28:35.720 the court or on the bench that can help you 1839 01:28:35.800 --> 01:28:38.600 through those tough times like they're dealing with now. 1840 01:28:38.680 --> 01:28:41.000 So that's the part that's interesting to me. 1841 01:28:41.439 --> 01:28:43.920 It's gonna be interesting to see if that's the game 1842 01:28:43.960 --> 01:28:46.039 plan they hold to going forward. 1843 01:28:46.279 --> 01:28:49.159 We'll switch gears coming up. Smitty is live on side 1844 01:28:49.159 --> 01:28:50.800 for another thirty minutes. I want to let you know 1845 01:28:50.840 --> 01:28:54.039 we're live today at the road home. All this squealing 1846 01:28:54.079 --> 01:28:56.279 and yelling you here in the background are children excited 1847 01:28:56.319 --> 01:28:58.760 to see Santa who rolled into town and apparently took 1848 01:28:58.880 --> 01:28:59.840 Richard Smith shine. 1849 01:29:00.119 --> 01:29:02.319 I thought they were I thought that was for me. 1850 01:29:02.399 --> 01:29:03.199 I'm suck Oh, I. 1851 01:29:03.159 --> 01:29:05.119 Know this was This was a peek into the psyche 1852 01:29:05.119 --> 01:29:06.319 that I did not know was real. 1853 01:29:06.399 --> 01:29:08.079 I mean, it's just a bruised ego. It's kind of. 1854 01:29:08.079 --> 01:29:11.119 Saturn that well, you know, screaming and kids yelling and 1855 01:29:11.199 --> 01:29:15.960 running around. Usually it somehow follows me. 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We were talking a bowler about this earlier. 1907 01:31:41.840 --> 01:31:45.439 In professional sports, your culture is set by your ownership 1908 01:31:45.479 --> 01:31:48.640 group from the top down, and then you rely on 1909 01:31:48.720 --> 01:31:51.079 people you hire to execute the vision of the culture. 1910 01:31:51.840 --> 01:31:54.039 In college on both the or jieus I said it 1911 01:31:54.079 --> 01:31:56.520 almost said pro in college on both the football and 1912 01:31:56.560 --> 01:31:59.239 the basketball side, it feels like it's the head coach, 1913 01:31:59.319 --> 01:32:02.000 doesn't it. They're of like the CEO, the face the 1914 01:32:02.039 --> 01:32:04.319 celebrities really because players come and. 1915 01:32:04.239 --> 01:32:04.760 Go so much. 1916 01:32:05.039 --> 01:32:08.319 Well, well that's who players go to play for college. 1917 01:32:08.359 --> 01:32:11.399 They go to play for for for Roy Williams, or 1918 01:32:11.439 --> 01:32:13.319 they go to play for Mike Krzyzewski, or they go 1919 01:32:13.359 --> 01:32:15.520 to play for Rick Nageralis. 1920 01:32:15.079 --> 01:32:15.960 Or whoever it is. 1921 01:32:16.560 --> 01:32:19.600 And uh if and when that coach leaves for whatever 1922 01:32:19.640 --> 01:32:22.000 the reason would be a lot of times he used 1923 01:32:22.039 --> 01:32:24.960 to see the players would also leave because they they 1924 01:32:25.000 --> 01:32:27.720 really didn't have that you know, affinity, if you will, 1925 01:32:27.760 --> 01:32:29.760 for the for the school as much as they had 1926 01:32:29.800 --> 01:32:32.880 for the coach they were they had that relationship with 1927 01:32:33.319 --> 01:32:37.000 and and and also in college Spence. When you see 1928 01:32:37.079 --> 01:32:40.159 the big time games on TV, you see Kentucky Duke, 1929 01:32:40.600 --> 01:32:43.960 you know, play half the time, the cameras seem to. 1930 01:32:43.880 --> 01:32:46.680 Be on the head coach, the celebrity on the sideline. 1931 01:32:46.960 --> 01:32:50.159 And so even maybe more so than the than the players, 1932 01:32:50.159 --> 01:32:52.920 because as you say, if you're one of those guys 1933 01:32:53.279 --> 01:32:57.520 and you have longevity at a at a highly competitive program, 1934 01:32:57.920 --> 01:33:00.640 you become the guy because the players just rotated in 1935 01:33:00.720 --> 01:33:04.520 and out. Used to be three or four years, now 1936 01:33:04.880 --> 01:33:08.800 it's three or four months, you know, and the guys 1937 01:33:08.800 --> 01:33:09.439 are just coming in. 1938 01:33:09.520 --> 01:33:09.920 I mean, the. 1939 01:33:09.920 --> 01:33:14.199 Demansa kid uh, last week, you know, and they they 1940 01:33:14.439 --> 01:33:17.880 they announced he's coming, but but there's already it's no 1941 01:33:18.520 --> 01:33:21.800 you know, they make very publicly known that he's only 1942 01:33:21.800 --> 01:33:24.079 going to be here for one year and then he's 1943 01:33:24.359 --> 01:33:27.279 leaving for the NBA. And so you know, that's already 1944 01:33:27.319 --> 01:33:29.920 part of the plan, which the plan was never used 1945 01:33:29.920 --> 01:33:32.239 to be. That the plan was we hope we get him, 1946 01:33:32.439 --> 01:33:35.560 he develops, and we have him for three or four years, 1947 01:33:36.039 --> 01:33:39.800 and you know, and I know, like for example, I know, 1948 01:33:40.079 --> 01:33:42.560 you know that Randy Ray, the longtime coach of Weaver 1949 01:33:42.720 --> 01:33:47.159 Stay highly successful and and got and groomed and and 1950 01:33:47.159 --> 01:33:51.279 and uh developed Damian Lillard over over a four year 1951 01:33:51.319 --> 01:33:54.600 period with him before he became an NBA All Star. 1952 01:33:55.920 --> 01:33:58.399 You know, he left earlier than he wanted to in 1953 01:33:58.439 --> 01:34:01.159 the college game simply because he felt like, well, if 1954 01:34:01.159 --> 01:34:04.359 I get Damian Lillard now as a freshman, and I 1955 01:34:04.760 --> 01:34:07.159 and he looks like he had some promise. He's not 1956 01:34:07.199 --> 01:34:10.600 staying at Weaver State his sophomore year. You know, he's 1957 01:34:10.640 --> 01:34:13.800 going to Texas or he's going to Arizona, he's going 1958 01:34:13.840 --> 01:34:16.880 to Kentucky or whatever it is because of the new 1959 01:34:16.960 --> 01:34:19.680 NIL stuff. So that's that, that's what makes it tricky 1960 01:34:19.880 --> 01:34:21.119 at the college level as well. 1961 01:34:22.279 --> 01:34:24.960 Side note, non Secretary, how is Frank not in the 1962 01:34:25.039 --> 01:34:27.520 Naysmith Basketball Hall of Fame. 1963 01:34:29.239 --> 01:34:33.399 Yeah, you'd have to ask the people who both. I'm 1964 01:34:33.399 --> 01:34:36.479 not sure that the overall record, you know, don't at that. 1965 01:34:36.520 --> 01:34:39.680 And and also he didn't have that longevity at least 1966 01:34:39.720 --> 01:34:41.760 as a coach, you know, in the the NBA level. 1967 01:34:42.159 --> 01:34:43.720 He coached from eighty eighty two to. 1968 01:34:43.680 --> 01:34:47.039 Eighty nine, so that's seven years, seven plus years where 1969 01:34:47.079 --> 01:34:50.199 he had obviously success and and turned the team from 1970 01:34:50.239 --> 01:34:55.199 a perennial loser to a perennial winner and competitive team, 1971 01:34:55.600 --> 01:34:58.800 you know, But he he turned it over to Jerry 1972 01:34:58.840 --> 01:35:01.359 Sloan at a time where he felt it was best 1973 01:35:01.439 --> 01:35:04.600 for him and for the team, you know. And obviously 1974 01:35:04.720 --> 01:35:08.119 Jerry had the success that he had over a two 1975 01:35:08.199 --> 01:35:11.960 decade period, and and and then with Frank Constrant and 1976 01:35:12.000 --> 01:35:15.119 the front office stuff. That's how the Jazz culture got 1977 01:35:15.119 --> 01:35:18.279 to be what it was, and how other other teams 1978 01:35:18.359 --> 01:35:22.039 or and organizations around the NBA emulated how the Jazz 1979 01:35:22.079 --> 01:35:22.720 did things. 1980 01:35:22.760 --> 01:35:26.039 And then most of it was because of, you. 1981 01:35:26.000 --> 01:35:30.239 Know, somewhat of a family atmosphere, and everybody preaches that 1982 01:35:30.239 --> 01:35:33.199 that's you hear that from all corners, you know, which 1983 01:35:33.600 --> 01:35:36.720 which is kind of kind of silly really. You know, 1984 01:35:36.760 --> 01:35:39.960 it's a business, and if you don't produce in the business, 1985 01:35:40.039 --> 01:35:42.359 then they move on to the next guy. And you know, 1986 01:35:42.399 --> 01:35:46.520 but the Jazz had that atmosphere. But they also had 1987 01:35:46.520 --> 01:35:49.439 a no nonsense atmosphere from whether it was Frank Layden 1988 01:35:49.800 --> 01:35:52.600 and him setting the foundation or whether it was Jerry Sloan, 1989 01:35:53.079 --> 01:35:55.680 you know who, the way he coached and uh, day 1990 01:35:55.680 --> 01:35:58.319 in and day out with the team, the players knew, well, 1991 01:35:58.319 --> 01:35:59.880 this is you know, this is the way it's going 1992 01:35:59.920 --> 01:36:00.319 to be. 1993 01:36:00.399 --> 01:36:02.680 So we just have to we just have to figure 1994 01:36:02.720 --> 01:36:03.039 that out. 1995 01:36:03.119 --> 01:36:03.319 Now. 1996 01:36:03.359 --> 01:36:07.600 It seems like nowadays coaches a little bit too sometimes 1997 01:36:07.640 --> 01:36:12.920 too concerned in my opinion, and appeasing the players because 1998 01:36:12.920 --> 01:36:15.159 they're afraid otherwise the player is gonna run to the 1999 01:36:15.199 --> 01:36:17.880 owner and it's gonna complain, or they're gonna make a 2000 01:36:17.880 --> 01:36:20.800 public statement about wanting to be traded or what have you. 2001 01:36:20.840 --> 01:36:24.399 And so it seems like the players have more control 2002 01:36:24.520 --> 01:36:27.880 over those kinds of day to day things than they 2003 01:36:27.960 --> 01:36:28.239 used to. 2004 01:36:28.680 --> 01:36:31.960 All right, moving over to some some big picture topics 2005 01:36:31.960 --> 01:36:34.800 here league wide, you know, one of the interesting conversations 2006 01:36:34.800 --> 01:36:38.279 in NBA media over the past couple of weeks has 2007 01:36:38.319 --> 01:36:41.079 been about the lack of ratings for pro basketball and 2008 01:36:41.119 --> 01:36:42.520 how linear numbers are down. 2009 01:36:42.600 --> 01:36:44.479 Now. Sports Media Watch. 2010 01:36:44.239 --> 01:36:46.439 Did a really good piece on this they released this 2011 01:36:46.479 --> 01:36:52.199 week to provide some context. Fifty two percent of folks 2012 01:36:52.239 --> 01:36:55.039 have cut the cord from cable over the past five years, 2013 01:36:55.640 --> 01:36:59.000 so every product is down on linear numbers, even the NFL. 2014 01:36:59.039 --> 01:37:02.880 Now, the NFL is only four percent. Pro basketball is down. 2015 01:37:02.720 --> 01:37:05.760 Forty eight percent year over year, the opening night down 2016 01:37:05.800 --> 01:37:09.279 twenty nine percent for last year. I wanted to get 2017 01:37:09.319 --> 01:37:12.159 your take on one dynamic that I've heard people talk about, 2018 01:37:12.239 --> 01:37:16.560 and that is every team plays the same way, trying 2019 01:37:16.560 --> 01:37:17.680 to hunt threes. 2020 01:37:18.119 --> 01:37:20.920 Doing everything they can to hunt three point shots. 2021 01:37:21.960 --> 01:37:25.039 Now, I think teams go about that differently, and teams 2022 01:37:25.039 --> 01:37:29.199 have different personnel, But is the game that much different 2023 01:37:29.199 --> 01:37:31.840 than it was? Where if you hear somebody say to you, smitty, 2024 01:37:31.840 --> 01:37:33.720 it seems like every time I'm watching basketball and every 2025 01:37:33.720 --> 01:37:36.039 team plays the same way, What's what's your response to that? 2026 01:37:36.319 --> 01:37:39.920 Well, every team, it seems now nobody goes through the post, 2027 01:37:40.039 --> 01:37:43.319 nobody goes goes down will nobody uses high tunament. Now 2028 01:37:43.359 --> 01:37:48.439 everything is athletic is run and jumping. Everything's five out, 2029 01:37:48.560 --> 01:37:49.840 everything's drawing kick. 2030 01:37:51.119 --> 01:37:51.960 I'd say that that. 2031 01:37:52.159 --> 01:37:54.560 You know, a lot of teams try and play screen 2032 01:37:54.600 --> 01:37:57.680 and roll with screen and pop, but most players don't 2033 01:37:57.680 --> 01:38:01.199 set screens. Most players, you know, slip screens is what 2034 01:38:01.239 --> 01:38:03.680 we call it, where they go to fake like they're 2035 01:38:03.680 --> 01:38:06.319 gonna screen you, and then when you get a step 2036 01:38:06.359 --> 01:38:07.359 away from them. 2037 01:38:07.479 --> 01:38:08.720 They they bail out. 2038 01:38:09.279 --> 01:38:12.399 A because they don't want to get hit, first of all, 2039 01:38:12.640 --> 01:38:15.560 but b because they they're either concentrating. 2040 01:38:15.000 --> 01:38:18.000 On trying to get the ball from the ball handler. 2041 01:38:17.640 --> 01:38:19.680 Either on a roll to the basket or on a 2042 01:38:19.720 --> 01:38:21.760 pop to try and shoot a jump shot. 2043 01:38:21.800 --> 01:38:26.399 And so you see everybody is playing that way. Now. 2044 01:38:26.720 --> 01:38:29.199 The interesting thing is that the players who seem to 2045 01:38:29.239 --> 01:38:32.880 play at the best really from my perspective, are the 2046 01:38:33.319 --> 01:38:37.399 guys who have learned that outside of the United States. 2047 01:38:37.399 --> 01:38:39.960 In other words, a lot of the European players and 2048 01:38:40.079 --> 01:38:43.239 some of the Australian players, they learn how to pass 2049 01:38:43.319 --> 01:38:45.520 the ball, they had to learn how to move the ball. 2050 01:38:45.880 --> 01:38:47.800 They really know how to execute. 2051 01:38:48.920 --> 01:38:53.199 In the US, young players in the AAU system or 2052 01:38:53.239 --> 01:38:57.720 you know, even high school systems, the eyb L in 2053 01:38:57.800 --> 01:39:01.560 the summertimes uh, these these under leaves. The travel teams 2054 01:39:01.600 --> 01:39:04.920 that the kids are on, if they're that talented, they 2055 01:39:04.920 --> 01:39:09.119 don't they don't teach them how to play, how to 2056 01:39:09.159 --> 01:39:11.760 set a screen, how to move the ball, how to 2057 01:39:11.840 --> 01:39:15.159 space out properly, and and they and they also don't 2058 01:39:15.199 --> 01:39:16.079 teach them how to shoot. 2059 01:39:16.520 --> 01:39:18.479 Everybody just wants to run and dunk the ball. 2060 01:39:19.000 --> 01:39:22.960 And so that's why when somebody shoots thirty eight percent 2061 01:39:23.000 --> 01:39:26.640 from three, everybody says, Wow, he's a really good shooter, 2062 01:39:27.159 --> 01:39:30.119 you know, But he's not a really good shooter. You know, 2063 01:39:30.199 --> 01:39:34.760 it's just because nobody else can shoot thirty eight percent comparative, 2064 01:39:35.479 --> 01:39:39.079 you know. So it's it's it's interesting that that our 2065 01:39:39.079 --> 01:39:42.079 game has gotten to that point at the NBA level. 2066 01:39:42.399 --> 01:39:45.680 It's really to me is most of it's a sloppy game. 2067 01:39:46.239 --> 01:39:49.600 I think a lot of it's a lazy game because 2068 01:39:49.640 --> 01:39:53.600 I don't think players want to play that hard. I 2069 01:39:53.640 --> 01:39:57.279 think part of it is because that's all players do 2070 01:39:57.720 --> 01:40:00.439 from the time they're twelve, thirteen, fourteen, and if they're 2071 01:40:00.520 --> 01:40:04.960 identified as a teenage kid, who boy, he might have 2072 01:40:05.000 --> 01:40:08.560 a chance to be a pro someday, which is, you know, 2073 01:40:08.600 --> 01:40:11.960 which is a silly projection. But some kids get that 2074 01:40:12.119 --> 01:40:15.399 tag on them, and so they stop playing soccer, they 2075 01:40:15.399 --> 01:40:19.239 stop playing baseball, they stopped playing tennis, whatever it was 2076 01:40:19.279 --> 01:40:21.359 they were doing as a young kid growing up, and 2077 01:40:21.399 --> 01:40:24.680 all they do is play basketball twelve months a year. 2078 01:40:25.000 --> 01:40:27.720 And so a lot of the research now. 2079 01:40:27.680 --> 01:40:31.439 Is coming out in the Nordic countries who have been 2080 01:40:31.479 --> 01:40:34.279 looking at the skiers, the winter sports, or whether it's 2081 01:40:34.960 --> 01:40:39.840 downhill skiing or ski jumping or skating and ice hockey 2082 01:40:39.840 --> 01:40:43.000 and those kinds of things. They don't allow they're not 2083 01:40:43.079 --> 01:40:46.560 allowing their young kids to train in any of those 2084 01:40:46.560 --> 01:40:48.359 sports for longer than. 2085 01:40:49.000 --> 01:40:50.119 A particular period of time. 2086 01:40:50.159 --> 01:40:52.680 I think it's like three months, or it might be 2087 01:40:52.800 --> 01:40:55.520 like sixteen weeks or something like that. And then they're 2088 01:40:55.600 --> 01:40:59.399 forced to take a break from that because their research 2089 01:40:59.520 --> 01:41:04.399 is showing that their their muscles, their bones, their joints 2090 01:41:04.439 --> 01:41:08.199 are starting to uh disintegrate, are starting to break down 2091 01:41:08.239 --> 01:41:11.520 more frequently because when they keep doing the same thing 2092 01:41:11.720 --> 01:41:15.199 over and over and over and over again, it just 2093 01:41:15.359 --> 01:41:17.880 is just starting to wear your body out. You didn't 2094 01:41:17.920 --> 01:41:21.119 have that, you know when uh, you know John Stockton 2095 01:41:21.239 --> 01:41:23.960 and you know was playing because he played baseball in 2096 01:41:24.000 --> 01:41:27.319 the spring and he played football or ran cross country 2097 01:41:27.359 --> 01:41:29.520 and the winter in the fall or whatever it was, 2098 01:41:29.920 --> 01:41:33.039 and so they it was really a form of cross training, 2099 01:41:33.479 --> 01:41:36.000 but we didn't know it was cross training at that time. 2100 01:41:36.359 --> 01:41:39.720 You were just playing different sports because you're interested in them. Now, 2101 01:41:40.119 --> 01:41:44.199 the young kids are are told by their youth coaches, well, 2102 01:41:44.239 --> 01:41:47.640 you can't play baseball and soccer. You have to choose 2103 01:41:47.680 --> 01:41:51.399 one or the other because we practice year round and 2104 01:41:51.439 --> 01:41:55.039 we go on travel teams and we have a group 2105 01:41:55.319 --> 01:41:57.800 that we're trying, you know, and it's spence to me. 2106 01:41:57.960 --> 01:41:59.640 The sad part about. 2107 01:41:59.359 --> 01:42:02.760 That is that it's not about the kid, the fourteen 2108 01:42:02.840 --> 01:42:05.439 year old kid that they're trying to develop into the 2109 01:42:05.439 --> 01:42:10.000 next Lebron. It's really about the coach who's got an ego, 2110 01:42:10.159 --> 01:42:12.920 who thinks, you know, this is I don't coach in 2111 01:42:12.960 --> 01:42:16.039 the NBA, So I'm going to coach the little junior 2112 01:42:16.159 --> 01:42:18.479 high team and I'm going to coach them into the 2113 01:42:18.600 --> 01:42:21.359 ground because I'm gonna show people I know what I'm doing, 2114 01:42:21.439 --> 01:42:23.279 and you know, and it's just I. 2115 01:42:23.199 --> 01:42:24.079 Think it's terrible. 2116 01:42:24.520 --> 01:42:29.399 And that's why you see players in the NBA mid 2117 01:42:29.479 --> 01:42:32.239 twenties starting to break down, having more You think they 2118 01:42:32.279 --> 01:42:35.319 would have fewer injuries because of all the training techniques 2119 01:42:35.319 --> 01:42:40.399 and all the the the progression of medicine and of 2120 01:42:40.479 --> 01:42:42.800 research and that kind of thing, but they seem to 2121 01:42:42.800 --> 01:42:45.760 have more right. I mean, back in the day, Bob 2122 01:42:45.800 --> 01:42:48.600 Gibson used to throw one hundred and twenty one hundred 2123 01:42:48.600 --> 01:42:51.600 and thirty pitches in a complete game for the Cardinals, 2124 01:42:51.600 --> 01:42:53.880 and then three or four days later he'd do it again. 2125 01:42:54.279 --> 01:42:57.520 Now nobody pitches a complete game because they get they're 2126 01:42:57.560 --> 01:43:01.399 afraid they're getting worn out, and they're not. They're not 2127 01:43:01.439 --> 01:43:04.760 having that cross training experience as young kids like they 2128 01:43:04.840 --> 01:43:05.079 used to. 2129 01:43:05.680 --> 01:43:10.520 So a lot there, But the main thing that and 2130 01:43:10.560 --> 01:43:15.239 my takeaway continues to be this, and ultimately, if you 2131 01:43:15.279 --> 01:43:19.199 want to understand issues in commerce, you follow the money. 2132 01:43:19.279 --> 01:43:20.600 In business, you follow the money. 2133 01:43:21.079 --> 01:43:23.479 And whether it's AAU coaches, they feel like they get 2134 01:43:23.520 --> 01:43:25.439 they get paid more, so they want better kids on 2135 01:43:25.479 --> 01:43:27.600 their team there in bed with high school coaches. So 2136 01:43:27.680 --> 01:43:29.960 if you're not on the AAU team as a ten 2137 01:43:30.000 --> 01:43:31.600 year old, you're not gonna be on the high school team. 2138 01:43:31.600 --> 01:43:32.560 Then you can't go to college. 2139 01:43:32.600 --> 01:43:35.000 Like It's all a system in place that was just 2140 01:43:35.039 --> 01:43:37.880 really coming into its own when I was playing AAU 2141 01:43:37.920 --> 01:43:40.840 in high school basketball. But you said something that I 2142 01:43:40.960 --> 01:43:42.920 believe to be. And we all come at this on 2143 01:43:42.960 --> 01:43:46.079 our own prism, our own unique prism, our own echo chamber. 2144 01:43:46.640 --> 01:43:49.039 And the way you watch basketball probably has something to 2145 01:43:49.079 --> 01:43:51.359 do with the way you were raised watching basketball. I 2146 01:43:51.399 --> 01:43:53.479 was raised watching the Jazz and then the Knicks of 2147 01:43:53.520 --> 01:43:56.119 the nineties. Teams have played with precision and teams have 2148 01:43:56.199 --> 01:43:59.760 played hard every night. And so for me and my 2149 01:44:00.039 --> 01:44:02.359 basketball experience of how I consume the teams that I 2150 01:44:02.359 --> 01:44:04.359 loved when I was younger. If I turn on a 2151 01:44:04.399 --> 01:44:08.199 game and you don't care, I don't care. Right, So, 2152 01:44:09.000 --> 01:44:12.199 the biggest issue in my opinion, Smitty, outside of everything else, 2153 01:44:12.279 --> 01:44:14.920 is players who don't play hard every night, and that 2154 01:44:15.039 --> 01:44:17.399 probably has something to do with the fact that guaranteed 2155 01:44:17.439 --> 01:44:22.279 contracts now our generational wealth for ninety percent of these guys, 2156 01:44:22.279 --> 01:44:25.319 whereas back then it was maybe ten to fifteen percent. 2157 01:44:25.640 --> 01:44:28.439 Players actually needed to play for paychecks once upon a time, 2158 01:44:28.760 --> 01:44:30.880 and if you need to play to pay your to 2159 01:44:30.920 --> 01:44:33.039 feed your family, guess what you're gonna do. You're gonna 2160 01:44:33.039 --> 01:44:33.920 show up in your play hard. 2161 01:44:34.000 --> 01:44:35.000 Yeah, you're exactly right. 2162 01:44:35.000 --> 01:44:38.479 And what happens is a large part of it is 2163 01:44:38.479 --> 01:44:39.199 the guaranteed. 2164 01:44:40.000 --> 01:44:41.000 The guaranteed deal. 2165 01:44:41.279 --> 01:44:44.760 The NFL has a small percentage of guys who get 2166 01:44:45.039 --> 01:44:48.439 guaranteed contracts, right. The larger percentage of guys in the 2167 01:44:48.560 --> 01:44:53.199 NFL are really independent contractors who are playing week to week. 2168 01:44:53.680 --> 01:44:58.960 And you see that played out more so in football 2169 01:44:59.039 --> 01:45:02.920 with the kickers, right, Some teams change kickers two, three, 2170 01:45:03.000 --> 01:45:05.640 four times a season. If the kickers don't get the 2171 01:45:05.720 --> 01:45:08.920 job done on Sunday on Tuesday, they cut him in 2172 01:45:08.960 --> 01:45:13.720 on Wednesday, they're holding tryouts for another kicker. But also 2173 01:45:13.880 --> 01:45:16.880 part of that is that those guys, when you're talking 2174 01:45:16.880 --> 01:45:20.880 about care factor again, going back to the point about 2175 01:45:21.079 --> 01:45:24.680 playing year round, since they were twelve, thirteen, fourteen, these 2176 01:45:24.720 --> 01:45:31.239 guys have been playing every week, every month, every year, basketball, basketball, basketball. 2177 01:45:31.359 --> 01:45:33.800 So by the time they get to be twenty four, 2178 01:45:33.960 --> 01:45:37.359 twenty five, twenty six, that's all they've been doing for ten, eleven, 2179 01:45:37.399 --> 01:45:42.119 twelve years, NonStop. And so maybe they're not as excited 2180 01:45:42.159 --> 01:45:46.640 to be playing tonight on a Tuesday night or Thursday 2181 01:45:46.720 --> 01:45:47.159 night in. 2182 01:45:47.159 --> 01:45:49.199 Detroit and some of them don't even show up SPA. 2183 01:45:49.399 --> 01:45:53.000 Yeah, but I mean that's you know, and sometimes you know, 2184 01:45:53.079 --> 01:45:56.560 but you're exactly right. If you were playing like the 2185 01:45:56.600 --> 01:45:59.439 guys were the other night, right in Vegas for the 2186 01:45:59.520 --> 01:46:04.159 NBA up. They're playing for five hundred thousand dollars. You know, 2187 01:46:04.319 --> 01:46:07.119 And I, in fact I told I told Coach Layden 2188 01:46:07.880 --> 01:46:10.399 I was with us earlier today. I said that he 2189 01:46:10.439 --> 01:46:11.960 was not aware of that. He said, Oh, I thought 2190 01:46:12.039 --> 01:46:15.520 I thought they got like like an extra fifteen thousand dollars. 2191 01:46:15.560 --> 01:46:16.640 I said, coach happened. 2192 01:46:16.680 --> 01:46:19.039 Oh no, the guys who won the game the other night, 2193 01:46:19.399 --> 01:46:21.079 they were playing for half a million. 2194 01:46:21.279 --> 01:46:25.000 He goes, half a million dollars. I said, that's that's 2195 01:46:25.000 --> 01:46:25.800 what they're doing now. 2196 01:46:26.279 --> 01:46:26.479 Now. 2197 01:46:26.520 --> 01:46:30.000 You can argue all day whether that makes sense, whether 2198 01:46:30.199 --> 01:46:32.840 it doesn't matter because you've got sponsors who are paying 2199 01:46:32.840 --> 01:46:35.600 the money, or you know, or billionaire owners who are 2200 01:46:35.600 --> 01:46:40.520 paying that doesn't you know they don't care. But that 2201 01:46:40.840 --> 01:46:43.600 part of that, there's some kind of feeling in there 2202 01:46:43.680 --> 01:46:49.359 that that it's a little distasteful to me that that 2203 01:46:49.359 --> 01:46:51.600 that's where you're at. Do you have to get the 2204 01:46:51.640 --> 01:46:55.199 guys as you're referencing, to care and to show that 2205 01:46:55.239 --> 01:46:58.800 they want to play hard by saying, Hey, Spence, you 2206 01:46:58.880 --> 01:47:01.239 go out and get this game, and we're going to 2207 01:47:01.319 --> 01:47:04.239 give you an extra half a million dollars. 2208 01:47:03.960 --> 01:47:08.720 That's where it takes. I don't know. I don't know well. 2209 01:47:08.760 --> 01:47:12.199 And I know that younger NBA fans are probably laughing 2210 01:47:12.199 --> 01:47:14.720 at the conversation because they've been a part of. 2211 01:47:14.680 --> 01:47:16.600 This NBA reality for a long time. 2212 01:47:16.640 --> 01:47:19.520 And these are the This is the generation of fans 2213 01:47:19.520 --> 01:47:22.000 that pulls up their phone and watches House of Highlights 2214 01:47:22.000 --> 01:47:24.800 on Instagram as opposed to watching a game. And I 2215 01:47:24.920 --> 01:47:27.000 just grew up watching games just what we did. You know, 2216 01:47:27.119 --> 01:47:29.000 even if we weren't at games, I would be home. 2217 01:47:29.039 --> 01:47:31.039 I'd watched games. And I come from this job through 2218 01:47:31.079 --> 01:47:35.279 the prism of very much preferring to talk about games 2219 01:47:35.840 --> 01:47:38.680 and talk about teams and growth and how the process 2220 01:47:38.760 --> 01:47:41.000 is going. The problem is, when you have a team 2221 01:47:41.000 --> 01:47:43.000 that is unseerious about winning, it's hard to make them 2222 01:47:43.039 --> 01:47:45.039 topically interesting. But I did want to ask you this 2223 01:47:45.079 --> 01:47:47.840 because I've been trying. I've been looking at the league, 2224 01:47:47.880 --> 01:47:50.840 the landscape of the league, and the Oklahoma cities of 2225 01:47:50.880 --> 01:47:53.199 the world, and they're so fun and they're so good, 2226 01:47:53.760 --> 01:47:56.119 and the Orlando magics of the world who have been 2227 01:47:56.159 --> 01:47:58.720 able to kind of rebuild after a little bit, to 2228 01:47:58.720 --> 01:48:00.880 see if there's anything we can learn about what the 2229 01:48:00.920 --> 01:48:01.600 Jazz are. 2230 01:48:01.439 --> 01:48:02.600 Trying to do now. 2231 01:48:02.800 --> 01:48:05.640 The easiest thing about those two examples is to say, well, 2232 01:48:05.640 --> 01:48:09.199 OKC has Shay and Orlando has Apollo, and those. 2233 01:48:09.079 --> 01:48:10.960 Are both a level guys. 2234 01:48:11.680 --> 01:48:15.039 Houston doesn't really have a level guy. They've got a 2235 01:48:15.039 --> 01:48:17.720 bunch of nice players, and Udoka has done a really 2236 01:48:17.720 --> 01:48:20.439 good job. Jalen Green's are leading scorer. A lot of 2237 01:48:20.439 --> 01:48:23.960 people love the Shngoon kid, who's eighteen ten, five and two, 2238 01:48:24.840 --> 01:48:26.880 So they have some good young players. But from a 2239 01:48:27.000 --> 01:48:30.079 roster construction standpoint, the Jazz are where these three teams 2240 01:48:30.079 --> 01:48:33.800 were three four years ago. Sam Presty might be in 2241 01:48:33.840 --> 01:48:35.279 a category of his on right now with. 2242 01:48:35.239 --> 01:48:36.079 What he's done with OKAC. 2243 01:48:36.199 --> 01:48:38.439 But is there anything that we can learn here in 2244 01:48:38.479 --> 01:48:40.920 the market about what the Jazz are trying to do 2245 01:48:41.479 --> 01:48:43.520 juxtaposed to what these teams now have done. 2246 01:48:43.960 --> 01:48:47.279 Yeah, well what they're the Jazz are trying to do 2247 01:48:47.680 --> 01:48:49.439 what they've done but also spent. 2248 01:48:50.239 --> 01:48:51.239 It's not anything new. 2249 01:48:51.279 --> 01:48:54.520 They're not reinventing the wheel, and it's not any big secret. 2250 01:48:54.760 --> 01:48:59.720 Look. OKC is a good, good, solid team. 2251 01:48:59.760 --> 01:49:02.640 They've got a very good coaching by a young coach 2252 01:49:02.920 --> 01:49:06.119 who's insisted that they play defense, and they're one of 2253 01:49:06.119 --> 01:49:08.039 the top defensive teams in the league. 2254 01:49:08.479 --> 01:49:11.720 They got, you know, some smarts. 2255 01:49:11.840 --> 01:49:14.680 Okay, you got to give him some credit and some 2256 01:49:15.000 --> 01:49:18.760 luck in the Paul George trade because they get Shake 2257 01:49:18.800 --> 01:49:21.920 Gildess Alexander who is just coming off his rookie year. 2258 01:49:22.560 --> 01:49:26.079 Nice player, Okay, yeah, we'll take him in the in 2259 01:49:26.439 --> 01:49:29.000 the trade, and you know, okay, yeah whatever, you know. 2260 01:49:29.079 --> 01:49:31.000 I think Sam pressI would be the first one to 2261 01:49:31.000 --> 01:49:33.079 step and go, well, we didn't know he was going. 2262 01:49:33.039 --> 01:49:35.920 To be down this, okay, So so you got him. 2263 01:49:36.079 --> 01:49:39.319 You got Memphis who's in second place currently with a healthy, 2264 01:49:39.520 --> 01:49:42.680 mostly healthy John Morant. They got John Moran in the 2265 01:49:42.720 --> 01:49:46.000 draft because they evaluated that correctly and they knew that 2266 01:49:46.079 --> 01:49:50.000 he had an NBA type game. Houston got Jalen Green, 2267 01:49:50.079 --> 01:49:51.920 who I think is going to be a very good play. 2268 01:49:51.960 --> 01:49:54.840 They've got Jabari Smith, who is a young player who 2269 01:49:54.880 --> 01:49:57.079 I think is also going to be pretty good in 2270 01:49:57.119 --> 01:50:00.159 a few years. They've got shng Goon, who is probably 2271 01:50:00.279 --> 01:50:03.359 better than they thought he would be. Really isn't what 2272 01:50:03.479 --> 01:50:06.479 you consider an undersized center at six ' ten, but 2273 01:50:06.600 --> 01:50:09.760 he has enough skill level to play the NBA game 2274 01:50:09.880 --> 01:50:13.600 inside outside, Yeah yeah, and he's fun. So then and 2275 01:50:13.640 --> 01:50:16.600 then you got Dallas, you know, with Doncic, who's who's 2276 01:50:16.600 --> 01:50:19.600 a generational talent, right, So you got those kind of guys, 2277 01:50:19.640 --> 01:50:21.640 and then you go, you know, you go with the 2278 01:50:21.680 --> 01:50:26.600 Cleveland which has Donovan Mitchell paired with several young guys 2279 01:50:26.840 --> 01:50:29.640 that they went and got because they were bad, right, 2280 01:50:29.680 --> 01:50:33.479 So they got Mobiley, they got Garland, they got they 2281 01:50:33.560 --> 01:50:36.000 got these guys who can fit in and are starting 2282 01:50:36.039 --> 01:50:39.960 to grow, and got a bonafide all star in Donovan Mitchell, 2283 01:50:40.000 --> 01:50:41.399 who's who's leading them. 2284 01:50:41.720 --> 01:50:44.600 You got the Celtics, who you know, built their team the. 2285 01:50:44.520 --> 01:50:47.239 Way they have, you know, entirely on the idea of 2286 01:50:47.439 --> 01:50:50.520 we're gonna outshoot everybody from the three point line. And 2287 01:50:50.680 --> 01:50:54.239 they've got you know, highly skilled guys and it's working 2288 01:50:54.279 --> 01:50:57.600 for them. You know, Orlando was bad for a number 2289 01:50:57.640 --> 01:51:00.920 of years and they were waddling around and they weren't 2290 01:51:00.960 --> 01:51:03.600 getting much traction. And then they hit on a couple 2291 01:51:03.600 --> 01:51:05.600 of picks. But they hit on a couple of picks. 2292 01:51:05.600 --> 01:51:09.119 Why because they were bad enough to get top picks, ye, Right, 2293 01:51:09.359 --> 01:51:12.119 So they had Jalen Suggs, and then they got Ben 2294 01:51:12.199 --> 01:51:14.600 Carrow and then they made a good pick with vanz 2295 01:51:14.640 --> 01:51:17.880 Wagner and so so now they're on and up tick 2296 01:51:17.960 --> 01:51:23.680 with those guys Milwaukee, uh uh, generational talent and and 2297 01:51:23.680 --> 01:51:26.479 and Giannis who no one would knew Giannis was gonna 2298 01:51:26.479 --> 01:51:27.800 be Giannis when they. 2299 01:51:27.720 --> 01:51:29.000 Drafted him on and up. 2300 01:51:29.079 --> 01:51:31.720 So the point being that the Jazz are just doing 2301 01:51:31.760 --> 01:51:35.520 the same thing other teams have done. They're in that process. 2302 01:51:35.920 --> 01:51:38.800 Is it gonna flesh out? Are they gonna get those 2303 01:51:38.800 --> 01:51:42.399 guys to get better? Are they going to improve? Are 2304 01:51:42.399 --> 01:51:45.800 they gonna stay the course that they've set and and 2305 01:51:45.800 --> 01:51:47.880 and do they have the confidence that. 2306 01:51:47.640 --> 01:51:50.840 This is actually gonna work eventually? 2307 01:51:51.359 --> 01:51:55.119 Is anybody gonna gonna get short circuited, whether it's the owner, 2308 01:51:55.439 --> 01:51:58.239 whether it's the front office guys, whether they get tired 2309 01:51:58.560 --> 01:52:00.680 that they're not winning so they blame on the coach 2310 01:52:00.800 --> 01:52:03.239 or whatever it is. Or can they stick to their 2311 01:52:03.279 --> 01:52:05.479 game plan and believe that we're going. 2312 01:52:05.439 --> 01:52:06.000 To get there. 2313 01:52:06.520 --> 01:52:08.640 But we just have to we just have to stay 2314 01:52:08.680 --> 01:52:10.720 the course. And that's the part that's going to be 2315 01:52:10.800 --> 01:52:11.800 difficult for fans. 2316 01:52:11.880 --> 01:52:13.800 Got to end it there. But man, great to see you. Okay, 2317 01:52:13.960 --> 01:52:16.439 Hi Man, it's welcome in to you as well. Let's 2318 01:52:16.439 --> 01:52:19.760 welcome in Ryan from the Dish professionals. More affordable options 2319 01:52:19.760 --> 01:52:23.279 for your wireless internet, for your cable television in addition 2320 01:52:23.399 --> 01:52:26.079 to your cell phone bill. So give them a call 2321 01:52:26.119 --> 01:52:28.159 at eight oh one, four to two four Dish. 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What's Modelic? 2371 01:54:59.640 --> 01:55:03.560 We're web design and development agency here in Salt Lake City. 2372 01:55:03.640 --> 01:55:06.479 We designed and built the road Home website and the 2373 01:55:06.640 --> 01:55:10.560 media thon tracker of Santa's telling me I'm naughty right now. 2374 01:55:10.600 --> 01:55:12.640 Now Santa's rolling by, so that. 2375 01:55:12.840 --> 01:55:15.000 This is one of the best things I've done all year. 2376 01:55:15.079 --> 01:55:16.039 What are you talking about? 2377 01:55:16.119 --> 01:55:18.680 Yeah, it's really cool. So how did you come to 2378 01:55:18.680 --> 01:55:20.199 be involved with the road Home out here? 2379 01:55:20.960 --> 01:55:25.119 Yeah, so we've built their website years ago and their 2380 01:55:25.199 --> 01:55:30.479 media thon tracker. So when you make those donations to ESPN, 2381 01:55:31.279 --> 01:55:33.680 you can hop on over to the roadhome dot org 2382 01:55:33.720 --> 01:55:37.359 slash media Thon and track the progress and the little 2383 01:55:37.399 --> 01:55:40.000 horse race that we've got going there. We've got a 2384 01:55:40.000 --> 01:55:42.680 team of developers working around the clock to field all 2385 01:55:42.680 --> 01:55:45.199 those donations and make sure everyone is tracked and you 2386 01:55:45.279 --> 01:55:48.319 know where the standings are. We need to update the 2387 01:55:48.760 --> 01:55:50.520 zoom on the chart or anything like that. 2388 01:55:50.680 --> 01:55:51.079 Very nice. 2389 01:55:51.079 --> 01:55:53.000 See people like you fascinating me because I do not 2390 01:55:53.079 --> 01:55:54.880 have that skill set at all, So I think it's 2391 01:55:54.920 --> 01:55:56.680 a fascinating thing. So what would you say to our 2392 01:55:56.720 --> 01:55:59.560 listeners about what you need this time of year? 2393 01:55:59.760 --> 01:56:03.439 Don't nations financially physically otherwise? Oh yeah, of course. 2394 01:56:03.600 --> 01:56:06.800 I mean the Road Home is great at allocating resources. 2395 01:56:06.800 --> 01:56:09.680 So if they just get enough money, I mean they're 2396 01:56:10.239 --> 01:56:13.199 looking at raising you know, quite a bit, and they 2397 01:56:13.279 --> 01:56:16.840 have that the total track too about how much they need, 2398 01:56:17.960 --> 01:56:21.079 and then they are so good at getting people what 2399 01:56:21.119 --> 01:56:26.239 they need, be at food, clothing, access to shelter, warming centers, 2400 01:56:26.279 --> 01:56:27.000 anything like that. 2401 01:56:27.079 --> 01:56:29.000 Right on, Well, Nick, thanks for stopping by. Man, really 2402 01:56:29.000 --> 01:56:29.439 good to meet you. 2403 01:56:29.960 --> 01:56:32.800 Come on by you You can donate in person. If 2404 01:56:32.840 --> 01:56:37.079 you're looking to donate something physical. We are looking for hats, coats, 2405 01:56:37.239 --> 01:56:41.840 new preferly gently used as well, gloves, socks, underwear, anything 2406 01:56:41.880 --> 01:56:44.359 that will keep people warm this time of year at 2407 01:56:44.399 --> 01:56:47.279 the Connie Crosby Family Resource Center, which is five twenty 2408 01:56:47.359 --> 01:56:49.800 nine ninth seventy three hundred South in Midvale. 2409 01:56:50.000 --> 01:56:51.960 Really easy to find. It's right off the exit. Put 2410 01:56:51.960 --> 01:56:53.159 that address in your GPS. 2411 01:56:53.159 --> 01:56:55.119 If you can't make it out, you can always call 2412 01:56:55.600 --> 01:56:58.279 at eight oh one eight one nine seventy three hundred 2413 01:56:58.479 --> 01:57:01.720 or online at the Road Home. All right, we're gonna 2414 01:57:01.720 --> 01:57:04.359 do a little sports court with our friends Handy and Handy. 2415 01:57:04.399 --> 01:57:06.520 We're gonna do college football in the five o'clock hour. 2416 01:57:07.079 --> 01:57:10.960 Dennis Hayespurt stops by very famous person who's in town 2417 01:57:11.000 --> 01:57:13.199 for an event that we're gonna tell you about as 2418 01:57:13.239 --> 01:57:16.000 we broadcast live from the Road Home on a Thursday 2419 01:57:16.159 --> 01:57:18.680 edition of The Drive. Don't go anywhere, Happy Holidays, Keep 2420 01:57:18.680 --> 01:57:20.520 it right here on ESPN seven hundred. 2421 01:57:21.520 --> 01:57:28.199 All rus, it's time to check in with Preston Handy 2422 01:57:28.199 --> 01:57:31.199 and Garrett Handy of Handy and Handy for sports courts. 2423 01:57:31.359 --> 01:57:35.000 Handy and Handy are your accident and personal injury attorneys 2424 01:57:35.159 --> 01:57:38.279 ready to assist with any related questions you may have. 2425 01:57:38.560 --> 01:57:42.079 Visit them online at Handy Law Utah dot com. Big 2426 01:57:42.119 --> 01:57:45.600 firm Experience, Small firm Attention. Now, let's get out to 2427 01:57:45.640 --> 01:57:48.359 sports court on the Drive with Spence. Check its on 2428 01:57:48.520 --> 01:57:52.079 Utah's number one sports Talk, ESPN seven hundred. 2429 01:57:54.800 --> 01:57:56.239 It is sports court time. 2430 01:57:56.279 --> 01:57:58.560 We do it every Thursday right about now. We're the 2431 01:57:58.560 --> 01:58:01.399 good friends Garrett and Pressed Handy from the law firm 2432 01:58:01.479 --> 01:58:03.880 of Handy and Handy Gentlemen. 2433 01:58:03.920 --> 01:58:05.439 Happy Thursday, Happy holidays. 2434 01:58:05.439 --> 01:58:08.960 How we doing, Hey Spence, happy holidays. 2435 01:58:09.479 --> 01:58:11.840 Great to spend time with you as we always do 2436 01:58:11.920 --> 01:58:15.560 on this Thursday. And this story certainly caught my attention 2437 01:58:16.159 --> 01:58:19.159 after it came out a lot of attention back in 2438 01:58:19.199 --> 01:58:22.560 the day eighteen years ago on the Duke University lacrosse 2439 01:58:22.600 --> 01:58:28.479 player scandal, and Crystal Mangum, who was the alleged victim 2440 01:58:28.560 --> 01:58:31.279 back then, has come out eighteen years later admitted that 2441 01:58:31.319 --> 01:58:33.079 she basically made the whole thing up. 2442 01:58:33.399 --> 01:58:35.159 The time is yours. What should we know about this one? 2443 01:58:36.159 --> 01:58:36.760 Yes, Spence. 2444 01:58:36.760 --> 01:58:40.159 When this story hit this week, we thought, hey, this 2445 01:58:40.239 --> 01:58:43.239 might be interesting to talk about more of not what's 2446 01:58:43.239 --> 01:58:45.279 going on now, but more of a review of the 2447 01:58:45.359 --> 01:58:47.680 legal issues of this. And as we know, this was 2448 01:58:47.720 --> 01:58:51.000 a highly publicized case. It grows out of a incident 2449 01:58:51.039 --> 01:58:55.880 where some Duke lacrosse players had a party shall we 2450 01:58:55.920 --> 01:58:59.680 call it get together among the players and Crystal Mangum 2451 01:59:00.079 --> 01:59:03.640 she was invited to come. She's an entertaining entertainer of sorts. 2452 01:59:04.239 --> 01:59:09.159 Well after it, Ms Mangum went to the police and 2453 01:59:09.199 --> 01:59:12.960 alleged that she had been assaulted and raped. Well, so 2454 01:59:13.039 --> 01:59:14.920 what we have here as we have a situation of 2455 01:59:16.840 --> 01:59:23.319 privileged white lacrosse players a African American woman at involved 2456 01:59:23.359 --> 01:59:27.199 Duke University, which is one of the paragons of the 2457 01:59:27.439 --> 01:59:30.439 privilege seen by a lot of people. It involved a 2458 01:59:30.479 --> 01:59:34.720 politically motivated district attorney. The media caught wind of this 2459 01:59:34.840 --> 01:59:37.760 was a firestorm. This is kind of a seminal case 2460 01:59:37.840 --> 01:59:39.880 of where the medium media. 2461 01:59:39.720 --> 01:59:40.359 Jumped on this. 2462 01:59:41.239 --> 01:59:46.000 Duke University took action and these three players, who were 2463 01:59:46.000 --> 01:59:51.399 captains of the team were all arrested and charged with rape, 2464 01:59:51.439 --> 01:59:54.239 sexual assault, and kidnapping. Well, what happened after that was 2465 01:59:54.279 --> 01:59:59.479 a firestorm. It ended up getting to the Attorney General 2466 01:59:59.600 --> 02:00:02.079 of about a year later, gets the Attorney General of 2467 02:00:02.680 --> 02:00:06.000 North Carolina and they come out with a statement that says, hey, 2468 02:00:07.760 --> 02:00:11.079 there was insufficient evidence. I mean, there was no physical evidence. 2469 02:00:11.079 --> 02:00:13.199 There was inconsistent. 2470 02:00:12.600 --> 02:00:16.000 Statements across the board of what happened, a lot of testimony, 2471 02:00:16.119 --> 02:00:17.479 no physical. 2472 02:00:17.000 --> 02:00:20.359 Evidence, DNA evidence. And he came out and he said. 2473 02:00:20.439 --> 02:00:22.359 We believe these cases were the result of. 2474 02:00:22.319 --> 02:00:24.199 A tragic rush to accuse and a. 2475 02:00:24.159 --> 02:00:28.359 Failure to verify serious allegations. And he says, based on this, 2476 02:00:28.720 --> 02:00:31.920 we believe these three individuals are innocent of these charges. Well, 2477 02:00:31.960 --> 02:00:35.159 in the meantime, what these individuals did, these three guys, well, 2478 02:00:35.199 --> 02:00:39.119 they lawyered up and they filed lawsuits against the County 2479 02:00:39.159 --> 02:00:42.680 Attorney's office against Duke University, and it resulted in a 2480 02:00:42.720 --> 02:00:44.560 settlement that was a confidential settlement. 2481 02:00:45.000 --> 02:00:45.399 And as you. 2482 02:00:45.439 --> 02:00:49.760 Mentioned, Spence, here we are what eighteen years later, and 2483 02:00:49.880 --> 02:00:52.479 Crystal Mangam she comes out as a statement this week 2484 02:00:52.520 --> 02:00:54.439 and it's all reported interviewed that she. 2485 02:00:55.079 --> 02:00:57.399 In fact lied about these allegations. 2486 02:00:57.880 --> 02:00:59.960 And so is there any legal thing going on now? 2487 02:01:00.159 --> 02:01:03.479 I assume that if someone wanted to, they could. She 2488 02:01:03.600 --> 02:01:06.560 probably falls into the category where she lied, and they 2489 02:01:06.640 --> 02:01:10.800 could be charged with some type of providing false information. 2490 02:01:10.880 --> 02:01:13.880 But guess what, Crystal Mangham, she's in prison right now 2491 02:01:14.279 --> 02:01:15.560 for murder. 2492 02:01:16.760 --> 02:01:18.359 Garrett, let's move it over to you. You know, I'll 2493 02:01:18.359 --> 02:01:21.039 never forget watching the press conference. You know, my little 2494 02:01:21.039 --> 02:01:23.039 brother went to Duke, had a high school teammate who 2495 02:01:23.039 --> 02:01:25.720 went to Duke, and the captain of the Duke lacrosse team, 2496 02:01:25.760 --> 02:01:29.239 stepping up and saying, you've all been told some fantastic lies, 2497 02:01:30.039 --> 02:01:32.640 and Garrett, eighteen years later, it appears that was the case. 2498 02:01:32.680 --> 02:01:34.880 Your shot. You're turning to take a shot at this one. 2499 02:01:36.239 --> 02:01:38.760 Yeah, absolutely, and we kind of knew that, right. But 2500 02:01:38.800 --> 02:01:41.359 I think Crystal Mingham coming out now and making this 2501 02:01:41.439 --> 02:01:46.640 statement really puts it to rest right what happened. But 2502 02:01:47.119 --> 02:01:49.439 on that issue of her being charged with anything, I 2503 02:01:49.840 --> 02:01:51.880 don't think it's going to happen. There's I think like 2504 02:01:51.920 --> 02:01:55.560 a two year statue of limitations on like a perjury 2505 02:01:55.720 --> 02:01:58.039 charge or something like that. So it's way beyond that. 2506 02:01:58.920 --> 02:02:02.560 And like Preston said, already serving time. If you haven't 2507 02:02:02.560 --> 02:02:06.359 seen the thirty for thirty espended on this, pretty good 2508 02:02:06.960 --> 02:02:11.640 in all education, very very interesting, so crazy story. 2509 02:02:11.680 --> 02:02:14.000 Yeah, definitely worth your time. All right, let's move over 2510 02:02:14.119 --> 02:02:14.720 to My. 2511 02:02:14.840 --> 02:02:20.359 Guy Oak the latest Charles Oakley, Madison Square Garden. I 2512 02:02:20.399 --> 02:02:23.000 thought we were done with this, but apparently this holiday 2513 02:02:23.000 --> 02:02:24.720 season it's the gift that keeps on giving. 2514 02:02:24.720 --> 02:02:26.840 What's the latest with my Guy Oak versus MSG. 2515 02:02:28.560 --> 02:02:28.720 Yes. 2516 02:02:28.840 --> 02:02:32.279 Speaking of legal sagas that never end, this is one 2517 02:02:32.319 --> 02:02:34.600 of them. It's been going on. I cannot believe this, 2518 02:02:34.680 --> 02:02:35.520 but it's been going. 2519 02:02:35.399 --> 02:02:36.520 On for nine years. 2520 02:02:36.560 --> 02:02:40.680 It was twenty seventeen when he got removed from his 2521 02:02:40.720 --> 02:02:43.079 seat at Madison Square Garden and it just set off 2522 02:02:43.119 --> 02:02:45.960 this whole case. And we've talked about it quite a 2523 02:02:45.960 --> 02:02:48.840 bit on Sports Court. And part of the reason we're 2524 02:02:48.960 --> 02:02:51.359 still talking about this case and it's still going on 2525 02:02:52.119 --> 02:02:54.760 and why it's been so slow going to get to 2526 02:02:54.800 --> 02:02:58.239 this point is the case has actually been dismissed twice 2527 02:02:58.680 --> 02:03:02.640 and now reinstated twice buy an appeals court. So what's 2528 02:03:02.680 --> 02:03:04.680 happening now and again why it feels like it's just 2529 02:03:04.720 --> 02:03:08.800 barely getting going in reality is there's some motions over 2530 02:03:08.920 --> 02:03:11.319 some discovery and so Bull. 2531 02:03:11.119 --> 02:03:13.680 Sides Madison Square Garden and also Charles Oakley. 2532 02:03:13.720 --> 02:03:17.000 They're trying to get information out of each other. Oakley 2533 02:03:17.079 --> 02:03:19.279 wants he filed the motion. He wanted to take more 2534 02:03:19.319 --> 02:03:24.920 than ten depositions. He wanted to compel Madison Square Garden 2535 02:03:24.960 --> 02:03:28.479 to give up cell phone records of a bunch of employees. 2536 02:03:30.279 --> 02:03:33.319 The judges denied those motions, and I thought it was 2537 02:03:33.399 --> 02:03:35.520 kind of interesting. The judge kind of came out and I, 2538 02:03:35.720 --> 02:03:38.680 you know, appreciate this in cases where the judge said, look, 2539 02:03:39.239 --> 02:03:43.439 the facts are relatively simple we're talking about an assault 2540 02:03:43.439 --> 02:03:47.840 and battery that happened on one night back in twenty seventeen. 2541 02:03:48.439 --> 02:03:49.560 It's a single. 2542 02:03:49.319 --> 02:03:53.279 Instance of this alleged assault. Can't we get this done 2543 02:03:53.840 --> 02:03:57.039 in a more expeditious way? I mean, and it's rich 2544 02:03:57.159 --> 02:03:59.960 coming after nine years, but I you know, it looks 2545 02:04:00.119 --> 02:04:02.640 like the judges trying to push this case along. 2546 02:04:03.279 --> 02:04:04.640 All right, Preston, you're up, buddy. 2547 02:04:05.199 --> 02:04:05.840 Oh just quick. 2548 02:04:05.880 --> 02:04:09.319 I'm glad Garrett unwrapped that. I mean, you know, Oakley, 2549 02:04:09.520 --> 02:04:10.199 what does he want? 2550 02:04:10.600 --> 02:04:11.039 My question? 2551 02:04:11.039 --> 02:04:11.159 What? 2552 02:04:11.279 --> 02:04:12.319 Nine years? What does he want? 2553 02:04:12.399 --> 02:04:15.279 Dismissed twice, appealed it twice, he spent a lot of money. 2554 02:04:15.279 --> 02:04:15.880 What does he want? 2555 02:04:16.760 --> 02:04:17.359 Good question? 2556 02:04:17.520 --> 02:04:20.760 Probably somehow some way either respect, money and combination of 2557 02:04:20.800 --> 02:04:21.079 the two. 2558 02:04:21.199 --> 02:04:23.399 But probably time to get it done. Probably time just 2559 02:04:23.399 --> 02:04:24.920 to let it go away. 2560 02:04:24.960 --> 02:04:27.920 All right, let's move over to a college football storyline. 2561 02:04:28.199 --> 02:04:32.880 Lane Kiffin quote shakedown copyright lawsuit. Looks like Lane came 2562 02:04:32.920 --> 02:04:34.960 out on the right side of this one. Fill us 2563 02:04:34.960 --> 02:04:35.840 in what's going on here? 2564 02:04:36.479 --> 02:04:36.720 Yeah? 2565 02:04:36.800 --> 02:04:38.279 I love this one. And again this is a case 2566 02:04:38.279 --> 02:04:38.880 where I think. 2567 02:04:38.720 --> 02:04:41.520 A judge was very reasonable minded and he went right 2568 02:04:41.560 --> 02:04:44.760 to the issue. Lane Kiffin came out with a post 2569 02:04:45.600 --> 02:04:50.720 kind of a motivational post where he showed a photo 2570 02:04:50.760 --> 02:04:55.039 copy of a guy, mister Bell, who is a motivational guy. 2571 02:04:55.920 --> 02:04:58.680 He had a win passage, and mister Bell has copyrighted 2572 02:04:58.720 --> 02:05:01.239 his win passage, which kind of more or less says 2573 02:05:01.279 --> 02:05:06.760 that winning is highly unusual and requires extraordinary action and 2574 02:05:06.840 --> 02:05:08.000 things that are seen in a lot. 2575 02:05:07.920 --> 02:05:09.520 Of motivational speech. Well, what did he do? 2576 02:05:09.880 --> 02:05:12.720 He sues Lane Kippen, saying, wait a minute, this win 2577 02:05:12.840 --> 02:05:15.159 passage is mine. It's copyrighted, so guess what. 2578 02:05:15.279 --> 02:05:18.359 You can't use it. It is copyright infringement, and you got. 2579 02:05:18.159 --> 02:05:20.960 To pay me money. And the judge he finally came 2580 02:05:21.000 --> 02:05:23.079 out and he said, this is a bunch of crap. 2581 02:05:23.239 --> 02:05:24.880 He dismissed it. And I love some of the things 2582 02:05:24.880 --> 02:05:25.479 the judge says. 2583 02:05:25.479 --> 02:05:29.640 He says, mister Bill Bell, appearing to have exceedingly high 2584 02:05:29.640 --> 02:05:33.479 opinion of his literally literary value of the win passage, 2585 02:05:33.880 --> 02:05:38.399 this extraordinary assertion with which Shakespeare, Tolsoy, and Faulkner might 2586 02:05:38.479 --> 02:05:41.399 take issue. And he says, you know, and you claiming 2587 02:05:41.399 --> 02:05:44.600 that there's economic gain by Lane Kippen coming out, one 2588 02:05:44.600 --> 02:05:46.439 of the things Bell said, he goes, no, Lane kipping, 2589 02:05:46.560 --> 02:05:49.840 he used my win passage. He wanted economic game because 2590 02:05:49.880 --> 02:05:52.279 of players out there saw this and saw how cool 2591 02:05:52.279 --> 02:05:54.560 it was. They don't want to go play for Lane Kippen. 2592 02:05:54.960 --> 02:05:56.880 And you know this guy, he's getting kicked out the 2593 02:05:56.880 --> 02:05:59.720 throat and they mentioned he's had several lossuits. This guy 2594 02:05:59.800 --> 02:06:04.119 is a chronic sewer of things like this and he's 2595 02:06:04.159 --> 02:06:05.359 out on his butt now. 2596 02:06:06.359 --> 02:06:08.399 All right, scare it. You're trying to take a crack 2597 02:06:08.439 --> 02:06:08.920 at this one. 2598 02:06:10.199 --> 02:06:13.399 Well, yeah, I mean and Lane, what Kevin did was 2599 02:06:13.399 --> 02:06:17.359 he retweeted this quote, right, and then get sued for it. 2600 02:06:18.039 --> 02:06:21.119 And that's something that happens all the time on social media, right, 2601 02:06:21.279 --> 02:06:23.840 some inspirational quote or whatever, and this one happened to 2602 02:06:23.880 --> 02:06:27.479 be copyrighted, and like Preston said, he's just sitting there 2603 02:06:27.520 --> 02:06:30.199 on the lookout waiting for somebody to post it and 2604 02:06:30.239 --> 02:06:30.479 then he. 2605 02:06:30.520 --> 02:06:31.399 Files a lawsuit. 2606 02:06:31.439 --> 02:06:34.760 So he's good to see that this case get dismissed. 2607 02:06:35.000 --> 02:06:35.319 All right. 2608 02:06:35.319 --> 02:06:36.680 I was glad to see the next one on the 2609 02:06:36.760 --> 02:06:40.359 rundown because there's some local ties here. Jake Rhetz Laugh 2610 02:06:40.479 --> 02:06:43.680 is a junior college transfer for Brigham Young with one 2611 02:06:43.960 --> 02:06:46.600 year left to play. Maybe because Diego Pavi has been 2612 02:06:46.640 --> 02:06:50.680 granted preliminary injunction against the NCAA, so he may be 2613 02:06:50.760 --> 02:06:52.880 able to come back and play for Vanderbilt, even though 2614 02:06:52.920 --> 02:06:56.479 technically he's out of eligibility. But he played his first 2615 02:06:56.479 --> 02:06:59.159 couple of years in JUCO, and if he's able to 2616 02:06:59.199 --> 02:07:02.359 do this, maybe other junior college's players are able to 2617 02:07:02.439 --> 02:07:03.920 as well. I don't mean to explain all of it 2618 02:07:03.960 --> 02:07:06.359 because you're the experts, but go ahead, what's what's going 2619 02:07:06.399 --> 02:07:06.760 on here? 2620 02:07:07.000 --> 02:07:10.680 No, that's that's exactly right, and I think it's setting 2621 02:07:10.720 --> 02:07:13.039 a precedent for sure, and you have to start to 2622 02:07:13.079 --> 02:07:16.920 wonder whether any n CUAA eligibility. 2623 02:07:16.239 --> 02:07:17.960 Rules are going to have any meaning. 2624 02:07:18.800 --> 02:07:21.239 So what happened with Diego Pavia? I mean, he spent 2625 02:07:21.319 --> 02:07:25.880 two years at two different junior colleges and then was 2626 02:07:25.920 --> 02:07:28.479 it New Mexico State, and then of course Vanderbilt and 2627 02:07:28.520 --> 02:07:31.439 beat Alabama. And you know he'll go down in Vanderbilt 2628 02:07:31.520 --> 02:07:34.439 lore for doing that. And well, he's like another bite 2629 02:07:34.439 --> 02:07:38.439 at the apple. He'd like more eligibility, and all of 2630 02:07:38.479 --> 02:07:41.520 a sudden, now as a rising star, wants to take 2631 02:07:41.560 --> 02:07:45.039 advantage of some nil compensation that would be coming his way. 2632 02:07:45.079 --> 02:07:48.920 And so that's what the lawsuit is about. 2633 02:07:48.960 --> 02:07:49.760 That's been filed. 2634 02:07:49.760 --> 02:07:50.560 But with this. 2635 02:07:51.960 --> 02:07:54.680 Preliminary injunction that's been granted, what's going to happen is 2636 02:07:54.680 --> 02:07:56.119 he's at least going to get it. He's going to 2637 02:07:56.159 --> 02:07:59.119 get up play next year. His attorney said he's going 2638 02:07:59.199 --> 02:08:04.479 to play it Vanderbilt. But yeah, it starts to wonder, 2639 02:08:04.520 --> 02:08:06.319 now right, I mean, and I think it's a great 2640 02:08:06.319 --> 02:08:09.439 point about retslof I mean, does he get additional time? 2641 02:08:09.479 --> 02:08:13.079 And I think it's safe to say that this is 2642 02:08:13.600 --> 02:08:15.119 the case to really keep a close eye on. 2643 02:08:15.880 --> 02:08:17.239 All right, preston your turn, Bud. 2644 02:08:18.079 --> 02:08:21.359 Yeah, you know, additional times important with the nil stuff 2645 02:08:21.359 --> 02:08:24.119 going on, you know, I will throw a little twist 2646 02:08:24.159 --> 02:08:24.319 on it. 2647 02:08:24.399 --> 02:08:25.079 This is just a. 2648 02:08:25.079 --> 02:08:29.560 Preliminary injunction which essentially enjoins the NTA from enforcing this 2649 02:08:29.680 --> 02:08:34.399 rule and not allowing him another year. Too bad, it's 2650 02:08:34.439 --> 02:08:38.720 not being the ruling wasn't made in August where he's playing, 2651 02:08:38.760 --> 02:08:41.000 and he could be in there enjoined and he plays 2652 02:08:41.000 --> 02:08:43.520 this whole season. There's a chance that they appill it 2653 02:08:43.560 --> 02:08:45.800 and in the next eight months there may be. 2654 02:08:45.760 --> 02:08:48.199 A switch with a judge, and who knows what's going 2655 02:08:48.279 --> 02:08:48.560 to happen. 2656 02:08:48.640 --> 02:08:50.920 But as for now, he's going to be a player 2657 02:08:50.960 --> 02:08:53.840 on Vanderbilts team and earning a good chunk of nil money. 2658 02:08:54.760 --> 02:08:57.800 As the steward and author of the sports Court bylaws, 2659 02:08:58.239 --> 02:09:00.520 I am aware we're unable to have this second without 2660 02:09:00.520 --> 02:09:04.199 talking about schools suing the NCAA or conferences. So we 2661 02:09:04.279 --> 02:09:07.479 must move over now to Colorado State and Utah State 2662 02:09:07.520 --> 02:09:11.119 suing the Mountain West over penalties for exiting the league. 2663 02:09:10.880 --> 02:09:14.399 And going to the new PAC twelve. Gentlemen fill us in. 2664 02:09:15.800 --> 02:09:22.239 Yes, Bence nil and conference ree alignment and transfer portal 2665 02:09:22.279 --> 02:09:25.800 have given us a lot of material for sports Court, 2666 02:09:25.920 --> 02:09:28.720 no doubt. And we saw this coming. The Utah State 2667 02:09:28.880 --> 02:09:33.039 and a few other schools left, the left the Mountain West. 2668 02:09:33.279 --> 02:09:35.399 They vowed not to Everyone got together and said we 2669 02:09:35.479 --> 02:09:39.119 won't and when they jumped, what happened? The Mountain West said, well, 2670 02:09:39.119 --> 02:09:41.680 guess what you owe some big transfer fees in the 2671 02:09:42.039 --> 02:09:44.800 range of nineteen million to thirty eight million. So what's 2672 02:09:44.840 --> 02:09:47.920 happened now? Utah State and Colorado State and I don't 2673 02:09:47.960 --> 02:09:50.119 know why Boise State and a few of the other 2674 02:09:50.119 --> 02:09:54.319 schools aren't joining on this, but they're certainly cheering them 2675 02:09:54.359 --> 02:09:57.319 on why they're not playing the legal fees. Basically, what 2676 02:09:57.359 --> 02:10:01.880 they're saying is the Mountain West that this is unforceable. 2677 02:10:01.920 --> 02:10:04.119 They said, hey, you went behind closed doors with the 2678 02:10:04.159 --> 02:10:09.880 other seven other schools and made this decision that these amounts. 2679 02:10:09.880 --> 02:10:12.079 Commanies said, and really there's no legal basis for it, 2680 02:10:12.119 --> 02:10:15.239 and there's no real formula or calculation. While you're coming up, 2681 02:10:15.279 --> 02:10:19.079 it's really to punish us and to compensate the other 2682 02:10:19.159 --> 02:10:21.039 schools who are sticking around. And the other schools, the 2683 02:10:21.079 --> 02:10:24.760 seven schools essentially like UNLB Hawaii and few other schools, 2684 02:10:25.399 --> 02:10:27.520 they've all said, hey, we are sticking around. We've signed 2685 02:10:27.520 --> 02:10:31.279 this thing, wink wink until someone else comes calling for us. 2686 02:10:31.319 --> 02:10:31.520 Right. 2687 02:10:31.920 --> 02:10:34.039 But yeah, they filed this suit because simply they don't 2688 02:10:34.039 --> 02:10:36.159 think they should pay this money. And so we'll see 2689 02:10:36.159 --> 02:10:37.760 what the response from the Mountain West is. 2690 02:10:38.840 --> 02:10:41.520 All right, Garrett, your turn, bud Well. 2691 02:10:41.560 --> 02:10:44.000 These conferences, I mean, they've they've got to have some 2692 02:10:44.439 --> 02:10:46.800 idea of who's going to be in their conference over 2693 02:10:46.800 --> 02:10:49.159 the long term so they can negotiate these TV contracts. 2694 02:10:49.199 --> 02:10:51.880 I mean, we're all pretty familiar with that storyline and 2695 02:10:52.159 --> 02:10:53.680 how that all plays out. I mean, I have to 2696 02:10:53.720 --> 02:10:56.319 think that the Mountain West kind of has the upper 2697 02:10:56.319 --> 02:10:56.720 hand here. 2698 02:10:56.760 --> 02:10:57.520 I mean, these are. 2699 02:10:57.920 --> 02:11:02.359 Super sophisticated institutions, you know, wide eyed entering into these 2700 02:11:02.359 --> 02:11:06.119 contracts with the Mountain West over the long term, and 2701 02:11:06.159 --> 02:11:09.119 of course, you know, things change, and they knew there 2702 02:11:09.119 --> 02:11:12.720 would be consequences for leaving the conference. So I mean, obviously, 2703 02:11:12.760 --> 02:11:14.279 I think at this point they just want to mitigate 2704 02:11:14.399 --> 02:11:16.880 that damages on what's going to happen and see if 2705 02:11:16.880 --> 02:11:18.680 they can cut a deal and save. 2706 02:11:18.520 --> 02:11:19.159 A little money. 2707 02:11:19.439 --> 02:11:22.159 All right, last one for this Thursday, the latest on 2708 02:11:22.560 --> 02:11:26.720 the goat Michael Jordan. Preliminary injunction in the NASCAR case 2709 02:11:26.760 --> 02:11:29.239 and right now his airness is on the right side 2710 02:11:29.239 --> 02:11:30.079 of the early ruling. 2711 02:11:30.159 --> 02:11:31.159 Yeah, what's going on here? 2712 02:11:32.079 --> 02:11:33.399 Yeah, this is crazy, Spence. 2713 02:11:33.560 --> 02:11:35.920 We talked about it last week as most recently as 2714 02:11:35.960 --> 02:11:39.079 last week, be real quick. This grows out of claims 2715 02:11:39.079 --> 02:11:41.880 of anti trust that Jordan, his two racing teams claim 2716 02:11:41.920 --> 02:11:47.159 that unfair competition with NASCAR and as part of the 2717 02:11:47.239 --> 02:11:50.840 charters that they have these franchises they have, and so 2718 02:11:50.960 --> 02:11:53.239 they sued NASCAR and there's been a lot of back 2719 02:11:53.279 --> 02:11:56.800 and forth. NASCAR tried to dismiss it. And here's the 2720 02:11:56.800 --> 02:12:00.359 really interesting part. Michael Jordan's team they f for a 2721 02:12:00.359 --> 02:12:03.680 preliminary junction which essentially would say, hey, we can keep 2722 02:12:03.720 --> 02:12:06.359 our charter and continue to race in the twenty five 2723 02:12:06.520 --> 02:12:10.159 season here, and you can't because we're in this legal mess. 2724 02:12:10.159 --> 02:12:11.399 Can't stop us from doing it. 2725 02:12:11.840 --> 02:12:16.960 Well, originally it was denied, and lucky to Jordan, guess 2726 02:12:17.000 --> 02:12:17.560 what happened. 2727 02:12:18.720 --> 02:12:20.399 They filed it again. 2728 02:12:20.479 --> 02:12:23.000 And we got a new judge on hand, and the 2729 02:12:23.039 --> 02:12:25.800 new judge decided, you know what, I think you have 2730 02:12:25.920 --> 02:12:28.880 met the burdens showing that you're entitled to an injunction 2731 02:12:28.960 --> 02:12:31.880 because you've shown that there would be irreparable harm. 2732 02:12:31.640 --> 02:12:32.920 And economic damage. 2733 02:12:33.079 --> 02:12:35.039 So right now he's on the right side of it. 2734 02:12:35.359 --> 02:12:37.920 A new judge comes down off so what the other 2735 02:12:38.000 --> 02:12:40.880 judge did, and Jordan's going to be racing this year 2736 02:12:41.079 --> 02:12:42.039 his two teams. 2737 02:12:42.279 --> 02:12:44.199 There you go, Garrett, final word is yours. 2738 02:12:45.560 --> 02:12:48.079 Well, although the you know, as we've talked about, the 2739 02:12:48.479 --> 02:12:50.960 prelimary injunction isn't the end of the case. 2740 02:12:51.199 --> 02:12:54.640 It certainly sends a signal to NASCAR that the judges 2741 02:12:55.000 --> 02:12:59.000 is you know, it looks like on Michael Jordan's side 2742 02:12:59.000 --> 02:13:03.680 on this, and so I think it'll guide probably some 2743 02:13:03.840 --> 02:13:08.039 future settlement negotiations or remediation. I mean, but we'll we'll 2744 02:13:08.119 --> 02:13:08.560 let you know. 2745 02:13:09.600 --> 02:13:11.119 All right, there you go before I say you loose. 2746 02:13:11.159 --> 02:13:13.359 For any of our listeners who have legal questions this 2747 02:13:13.439 --> 02:13:15.600 holiday season, how can they get hold of you over 2748 02:13:15.760 --> 02:13:16.880 at Handy and Handy. 2749 02:13:17.840 --> 02:13:19.720 Yes, Bence, we love coming on here with you and 2750 02:13:20.239 --> 02:13:21.359 talk about these issues. 2751 02:13:21.399 --> 02:13:24.199 But Andre and we'd help love to. 2752 02:13:24.159 --> 02:13:26.439 Help anyone's been involved in an accident, help them through 2753 02:13:26.439 --> 02:13:29.319 the process. Give us a holiday zero one two six 2754 02:13:29.439 --> 02:13:31.960 four six six seven seven, or jump on our website 2755 02:13:32.000 --> 02:13:33.560 at HANDYLAIU dot dot com. 2756 02:13:33.840 --> 02:13:34.960 Well, thanks so much for the time. 2757 02:13:35.000 --> 02:13:37.039 I won't be able to speak to till after the holidays, 2758 02:13:37.039 --> 02:13:38.239 so I just want to let you know how much 2759 02:13:38.279 --> 02:13:40.359 I appreciate you too, your presence on the show, and 2760 02:13:40.399 --> 02:13:41.800 if we can be better let us know. 2761 02:13:42.239 --> 02:13:43.840 Happy holidays, guys, we chat soon. 2762 02:13:43.880 --> 02:13:46.439 Okay, great, Thanks Bence, Happy holidays. 2763 02:13:46.479 --> 02:13:49.520 Thank you all right, Garrett and Preston Handy from the 2764 02:13:49.600 --> 02:13:51.680 law firm of Handy and Handy. 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We're back to some college football 2828 02:16:51.799 --> 02:16:54.840 after that. Second night at six on a Thursday, Live 2829 02:16:54.879 --> 02:16:56.319 at the road Home. Keep it right here on the 2830 02:16:56.440 --> 02:16:57.639 ESPN seven hundred. 2831 02:17:02.040 --> 02:17:10.079 Are the herld Angel scene Glory to the new bon King. 2832 02:17:11.079 --> 02:17:13.159 All right, we're lave today out here at the road 2833 02:17:13.239 --> 02:17:15.159 Home the Family Homeless Shelter. 2834 02:17:15.799 --> 02:17:16.959 Come on by and say hi. 2835 02:17:17.040 --> 02:17:19.000 We do it every year. This is my nineteenth year 2836 02:17:19.040 --> 02:17:20.840 out here at the radio Thon. We're asking you to 2837 02:17:20.840 --> 02:17:24.399 make a financial donation to help families in need this 2838 02:17:24.479 --> 02:17:27.239 holiday season. At eight oh one, eight one nine seventy 2839 02:17:27.239 --> 02:17:30.079 three hundred. You can go to the Roadhome dot org 2840 02:17:30.120 --> 02:17:32.440 slash donate. Come on by in person at the Condie 2841 02:17:32.440 --> 02:17:35.959 Crosby Family Resource Center at five twenty nine nine. Thats 2842 02:17:36.040 --> 02:17:38.799 seventy three hundred south in Midvale, Utah. 2843 02:17:38.879 --> 02:17:40.200 All right, really excited for this. 2844 02:17:40.319 --> 02:17:43.280 The Tabernacle Choir at Temple Squarre is holding its annual 2845 02:17:43.360 --> 02:17:46.840 Christmas Conscience this week with a very special guest who 2846 02:17:46.840 --> 02:17:47.760 will serve. 2847 02:17:48.239 --> 02:17:49.799 As the MC of the events. 2848 02:17:50.120 --> 02:17:52.120 It's just a pleasure to have Dennis Haysburg on the 2849 02:17:52.159 --> 02:17:53.719 show on a Thursday. 2850 02:17:53.760 --> 02:17:54.719 Dennis, how are you, sir? 2851 02:17:55.479 --> 02:17:56.639 I'm doing great. How are you? 2852 02:17:57.120 --> 02:17:57.559 I'm well. 2853 02:17:57.639 --> 02:18:00.319 I appreciate the time I have to say, Hey, you're 2854 02:18:00.319 --> 02:18:02.879 on a sports talk radio show. I am a sports 2855 02:18:02.920 --> 02:18:06.159 talk radio host and a big sports fan. So I 2856 02:18:06.360 --> 02:18:09.440 first became familiar with you, of course, with your role 2857 02:18:09.520 --> 02:18:11.040 in Major League. 2858 02:18:11.319 --> 02:18:12.319 Way back in the day. 2859 02:18:12.680 --> 02:18:15.600 And I know that sports are a big part of 2860 02:18:15.639 --> 02:18:19.680 your family and also you personally, as your brother Adam 2861 02:18:19.680 --> 02:18:24.159 Haysberg played at Brigham Young a year ago, so excuse 2862 02:18:24.200 --> 02:18:26.360 me back in the day. So I know that you're 2863 02:18:26.399 --> 02:18:28.079 an actor known for a lot of things, but I 2864 02:18:28.120 --> 02:18:30.959 actually want to know how what you know what role 2865 02:18:31.040 --> 02:18:32.719 sport has played in your life? 2866 02:18:32.920 --> 02:18:38.639 Dennis, Well, it is the sports I've always played a 2867 02:18:38.719 --> 02:18:40.520 large role in my life because that's what I do 2868 02:18:40.639 --> 02:18:44.639 to stay in shape. You know, I still play. I 2869 02:18:44.680 --> 02:18:49.120 play a lot of golf. I used to play football, baseball, 2870 02:18:49.879 --> 02:18:55.399 land track. I used to pin a little bit. Now 2871 02:18:55.520 --> 02:19:01.559 my principle exercises of a lot of swimming, golf, and weightlifting. 2872 02:19:01.879 --> 02:19:03.559 So I stay. 2873 02:19:03.680 --> 02:19:05.799 I was stayed pretty busy, very nice. 2874 02:19:05.799 --> 02:19:08.440 How did your brother Adam end up at Brigham Young 2875 02:19:08.879 --> 02:19:10.280 back in the in the late eighties? 2876 02:19:11.239 --> 02:19:13.520 Heany, you know, it's just like any kid, you know. 2877 02:19:14.280 --> 02:19:17.399 You know, we grew up in Santa pel California. And 2878 02:19:17.440 --> 02:19:19.719 then he wanted to get out of the house, and 2879 02:19:20.760 --> 02:19:26.120 so YU came calling, and he thought it would be 2880 02:19:26.159 --> 02:19:30.799 a very interesting challenge, which it was. And there you 2881 02:19:30.840 --> 02:19:35.360 have it. It was there. I remember hearing the Pittsburgh 2882 02:19:35.479 --> 02:19:38.040 game on the radio. I was working at the time. 2883 02:19:38.120 --> 02:19:40.479 I was working on a movie. I can't even tell 2884 02:19:40.520 --> 02:19:43.600 you what the movie was at this moment, how much 2885 02:19:43.600 --> 02:19:44.840 you remember that? 2886 02:19:45.000 --> 02:19:45.319 Was it? 2887 02:19:45.479 --> 02:19:45.920 There you go? 2888 02:19:46.920 --> 02:19:51.520 And and I was on set when I heard about 2889 02:19:51.559 --> 02:19:55.920 the touchdown catch, you know, and I said, all right, 2890 02:19:56.040 --> 02:20:00.280 that's it's my little bro. And I had no idea 2891 02:20:00.360 --> 02:20:03.159 they were going to go on and in the National championship. 2892 02:20:03.159 --> 02:20:06.360 That year an amazing year, for sure. I wonder from 2893 02:20:06.360 --> 02:20:07.319 what I read about you. 2894 02:20:07.319 --> 02:20:09.840 You were an athlete, as you referenced, and you had 2895 02:20:10.000 --> 02:20:13.719 opportunities to maybe play sports collegiately, but. 2896 02:20:13.719 --> 02:20:15.440 You elected to go the acting route. 2897 02:20:15.440 --> 02:20:17.719 What kind of motivated you to do that as a 2898 02:20:17.760 --> 02:20:22.719 young person, and did you foresee this unbelievable life you've built, 2899 02:20:23.399 --> 02:20:23.760 you know what? 2900 02:20:24.200 --> 02:20:29.440 In a strange way, Yes, I've always, like I said, 2901 02:20:29.479 --> 02:20:33.040 I've always been an athlete. All my brothers were athletes. 2902 02:20:34.680 --> 02:20:39.040 But I always loved movies and I knew when I 2903 02:20:39.079 --> 02:20:41.760 was ten years old that I was going to be 2904 02:20:41.799 --> 02:20:46.479 an actor. How I knew that, I don't know. God 2905 02:20:46.559 --> 02:20:50.079 only know, but I knew. I felt it very strongly, 2906 02:20:50.159 --> 02:20:52.000 and I knew it was something I was going to 2907 02:20:52.040 --> 02:20:52.879 have to pursue. 2908 02:20:54.000 --> 02:20:57.040 See, I find that so fascinating, And honestly, I'm in 2909 02:20:57.120 --> 02:21:00.319 awe of courage like that and so be already reaps. 2910 02:21:00.360 --> 02:21:02.520 Only God only knows. But did you. 2911 02:21:02.600 --> 02:21:06.319 Always traverse through the space of the early days knowing 2912 02:21:06.760 --> 02:21:08.079 that you were going to see it through to the 2913 02:21:08.159 --> 02:21:10.719 other side to find all of this success because you've 2914 02:21:10.719 --> 02:21:12.600 done so many incredible things. 2915 02:21:13.079 --> 02:21:16.559 Oh, thank you. I really don't know what the question 2916 02:21:16.760 --> 02:21:17.200 was in there. 2917 02:21:18.799 --> 02:21:21.600 So I always find it fascinating because I think most 2918 02:21:21.639 --> 02:21:24.000 people don't ever know what they want to be. And 2919 02:21:24.000 --> 02:21:26.239 when I hear somebody new at the age of ten, like, 2920 02:21:26.360 --> 02:21:29.600 did you always know? Because you chose a field that 2921 02:21:29.719 --> 02:21:32.479 very few people find success in? So did you always 2922 02:21:32.479 --> 02:21:34.520 have that confidence that if you kept going you were 2923 02:21:34.559 --> 02:21:35.680 going to be very successful? 2924 02:21:35.680 --> 02:21:35.959 At this? 2925 02:21:39.680 --> 02:21:42.120 Oh? I knew, really, I mean because I can look 2926 02:21:42.120 --> 02:21:45.479 back in retrospect and say, yeah, of course, But I 2927 02:21:45.520 --> 02:21:49.600 really didn't. I just knew that I loved movies, and 2928 02:21:49.680 --> 02:21:53.280 the movies that I love turned out to be classics, 2929 02:21:54.159 --> 02:21:58.200 so I knew I had taste. How that was going 2930 02:21:58.239 --> 02:22:02.520 to translate into working in film and television, I don't 2931 02:22:02.879 --> 02:22:06.600 I really don't know. All I knew is that that's 2932 02:22:06.639 --> 02:22:08.559 what I wanted to do. And I guess it was 2933 02:22:08.600 --> 02:22:13.639 a kind of a manifestation, if you will, that I 2934 02:22:13.680 --> 02:22:16.840 was able to do it, because I tell you, the 2935 02:22:16.879 --> 02:22:19.719 only person I had that was really supporting what I 2936 02:22:19.760 --> 02:22:23.760 was doing was my mother. And everybody else said, oh, no, 2937 02:22:23.840 --> 02:22:25.920 you're too tall to be an actor, Oh you to this, 2938 02:22:26.280 --> 02:22:30.159 to that, and I said, okay, we'll see. 2939 02:22:31.879 --> 02:22:33.639 Well yeah, and you proved them all wrong. 2940 02:22:34.600 --> 02:22:37.319 Yeah. I just started getting into theater. And I got 2941 02:22:37.360 --> 02:22:40.879 into theater when I was in high school, you know, 2942 02:22:41.680 --> 02:22:46.760 and it was. It was a blast, and all during 2943 02:22:46.760 --> 02:22:49.440 the time I was being made fun of while I 2944 02:22:49.479 --> 02:22:52.319 was playing football and said, what you're in a school play? 2945 02:22:52.440 --> 02:22:54.840 What are you talking about? And then you're a football player. 2946 02:22:54.920 --> 02:22:55.479 We'll see. Yeah. 2947 02:22:55.600 --> 02:22:59.959 I'm also an actor, So if I if I got 2948 02:23:00.079 --> 02:23:03.600 too much heat in practice, I would make sure that 2949 02:23:03.680 --> 02:23:09.040 the whoever was doing all the jawing I remembered them 2950 02:23:09.040 --> 02:23:12.559 in practice and make sure I give them an extra. 2951 02:23:12.360 --> 02:23:14.000 Hit love it. 2952 02:23:14.639 --> 02:23:16.079 I got to ask this question the. 2953 02:23:16.079 --> 02:23:18.159 Reason I say that I was a defensive end. 2954 02:23:18.479 --> 02:23:21.319 Oh, there we go. Well, you're six ' five. You 2955 02:23:21.360 --> 02:23:23.959 certainly have the size for it. When, like I said, 2956 02:23:24.000 --> 02:23:26.600 I first saw you, I probably watched Major Major League 2957 02:23:26.600 --> 02:23:29.559 two hundred times. Did you have to work to learn 2958 02:23:29.600 --> 02:23:30.920 because your swing looked so. 2959 02:23:31.120 --> 02:23:32.840 Natural and you were an athlete? 2960 02:23:33.079 --> 02:23:35.639 What was the process like to learn how to you know, 2961 02:23:35.680 --> 02:23:37.719 you know, look like you were a major league baseball 2962 02:23:37.799 --> 02:23:38.479 hitter in that. 2963 02:23:38.440 --> 02:23:44.319 Movie I was, you know, Steve Jegert helped me a lot, 2964 02:23:44.479 --> 02:23:46.879 But I've always been like I said, I played baseball. 2965 02:23:47.639 --> 02:23:50.959 I played about little league baseball, Babe Ruth baseball. You know, 2966 02:23:51.000 --> 02:23:54.559 I was a pitcher. I played, I played, I think. 2967 02:23:54.639 --> 02:24:01.319 I played first base, right field, left field, and I 2968 02:24:01.399 --> 02:24:05.639 called a little bit as well. So I love the sport. 2969 02:24:05.680 --> 02:24:09.559 I think baseball is the perfect game. 2970 02:24:10.920 --> 02:24:13.319 Now, of course, before I set you loose, I want 2971 02:24:13.319 --> 02:24:15.719 to hear about your role as the narrator for this 2972 02:24:15.840 --> 02:24:19.000 upcoming Christmas special that I've been to with my family 2973 02:24:19.120 --> 02:24:21.920 hundreds of times. I'm excited to see you, But from 2974 02:24:22.159 --> 02:24:26.399 my seat sports talk radio radio host, how do you 2975 02:24:26.440 --> 02:24:27.079 give the voice? 2976 02:24:27.079 --> 02:24:27.280 Man? 2977 02:24:27.399 --> 02:24:29.719 What do you do? What's the secret? How do you 2978 02:24:29.760 --> 02:24:30.879 get that voice? I got to know. 2979 02:24:32.479 --> 02:24:34.760 I tell you something. I got it from my father. 2980 02:24:35.680 --> 02:24:39.719 My father had a dep voice and he used it 2981 02:24:39.719 --> 02:24:43.840 to be a great disciplinarian. All my brothers have, you know, 2982 02:24:44.040 --> 02:24:47.360 like the same kind of voice. But mine is just mine. 2983 02:24:47.440 --> 02:24:50.399 Was weaned on a thirteen hundred theater. In high school, 2984 02:24:50.719 --> 02:24:58.319 we had the district theater. Everybody in our district graduated from. 2985 02:24:59.319 --> 02:25:01.120 So I got to at that back wall with my 2986 02:25:01.200 --> 02:25:06.559 voice every play I did. So it was developed in 2987 02:25:06.600 --> 02:25:07.040 a theater. 2988 02:25:08.399 --> 02:25:08.879 Amazing. 2989 02:25:09.040 --> 02:25:12.879 All right, Tabernacle Choir, Temple Square, you will narrate the 2990 02:25:12.959 --> 02:25:17.120 Christmas Concerts nineteenth twenty twenty. First, what would you like 2991 02:25:17.159 --> 02:25:19.440 our listeners to know? And how did you get involved 2992 02:25:19.440 --> 02:25:21.520 with this as well. I'd be curious because it's such 2993 02:25:21.559 --> 02:25:22.200 a perfect fit. 2994 02:25:23.399 --> 02:25:27.840 Well, they have a special guest who's coming in. I 2995 02:25:27.840 --> 02:25:31.360 don't know how much of this is known, you know, 2996 02:25:31.479 --> 02:25:32.879 so I don't know how much I can tell you. 2997 02:25:33.280 --> 02:25:38.000 But I'm not just narrating. I'm actually recounting a real 2998 02:25:38.079 --> 02:25:44.120 life story, and I'm telling the story to the audience, 2999 02:25:44.879 --> 02:25:47.959 which I hope will have a very lasting effect. 3000 02:25:50.600 --> 02:25:52.760 Very cool. Well, look, this has been a pleasure. 3001 02:25:52.879 --> 02:25:54.440 I don't know how much more vague I can be. 3002 02:25:54.920 --> 02:25:57.559 Yeah, I mean so, just so you know, Dennis, that's. 3003 02:26:00.159 --> 02:26:01.360 To be a storyteller, and. 3004 02:26:01.399 --> 02:26:04.360 I'm okay, I love it. So I have a press 3005 02:26:04.399 --> 02:26:05.159 release in front of me. 3006 02:26:05.280 --> 02:26:07.440 But because you're pump thinking, I'm pump thinking, I'm not 3007 02:26:07.479 --> 02:26:11.959 gonna give any more information out on there. But just 3008 02:26:11.959 --> 02:26:14.159 just a pleasure. I've long been a fan, and I'll 3009 02:26:14.159 --> 02:26:16.000 be there to see you. So best of luck, and 3010 02:26:16.000 --> 02:26:17.079 thank you so much for the time. 3011 02:26:17.840 --> 02:26:20.399 Oh well, what night are you coming? Because you should 3012 02:26:20.719 --> 02:26:23.079 you should stop buying I should you know, at least 3013 02:26:23.079 --> 02:26:24.120 see you and shake your hand. 3014 02:26:24.399 --> 02:26:26.280 I'll be there tomorrow night. I would love to see 3015 02:26:26.319 --> 02:26:27.760 you tomorrow night, for sure. I'd love to do that. 3016 02:26:28.680 --> 02:26:32.360 Excellent, Thank you sir, all righty, thank all right. 3017 02:26:32.520 --> 02:26:33.479 Dennis Haysbert. 3018 02:26:33.600 --> 02:26:36.319 Uh, the press release I have says he is narrating 3019 02:26:36.399 --> 02:26:38.879 the Christmas concerts. According to what he has to say, 3020 02:26:38.920 --> 02:26:41.879 he will be much more involved than that. Uh, they 3021 02:26:42.000 --> 02:26:45.280 start tonight and then it'll be tomorrow night, Saturday night 3022 02:26:45.360 --> 02:26:47.280 at the Conference Center in Salt Lake City. If you've 3023 02:26:47.319 --> 02:26:50.399 never been, I mean, obviously, the Mormon Tabernacle choir is insane. No, 3024 02:26:50.479 --> 02:26:53.319 it's just a tabernacle choir, now, my bad. And then 3025 02:26:53.360 --> 02:26:57.319 Dennis Haysbert has one of the most powerful, unique voices out. 3026 02:26:57.360 --> 02:26:59.559 If you don't know who Dennis is, you might know 3027 02:26:59.600 --> 02:27:01.920 him from me league. He was Pedro Serrano. He was 3028 02:27:01.959 --> 02:27:04.239 the dude who was doing all the voodoo and hitting 3029 02:27:04.280 --> 02:27:07.159 a bunch of home runs. Probably most known for twenty 3030 02:27:07.200 --> 02:27:10.200 four would be my guest. And then the All State guy, 3031 02:27:10.319 --> 02:27:12.479 like if you know, when you hear that voice, you're 3032 02:27:12.520 --> 02:27:14.319 think you're about to hear an All State commercial. 3033 02:27:14.840 --> 02:27:16.920 But that was really cool. I've seen a ton of 3034 02:27:16.959 --> 02:27:17.399 his movies. 3035 02:27:17.440 --> 02:27:19.120 He's been in a bunch of things, a lot of 3036 02:27:19.159 --> 02:27:22.319 TV shows as well. Like I said, twenty four may 3037 02:27:22.360 --> 02:27:25.600 have been the television program to kind of put him 3038 02:27:25.639 --> 02:27:26.079 on the map. 3039 02:27:26.120 --> 02:27:27.520 He was on that for seven years. 3040 02:27:27.840 --> 02:27:31.840 Justice League could keep going and then, yeah, the commercial 3041 02:27:31.879 --> 02:27:33.680 stuff is what a lot of people know him for. 3042 02:27:33.719 --> 02:27:36.319 As far as the All State commercials, he was the 3043 02:27:36.360 --> 02:27:39.840 All State insurance guy for what like fifteen years, So 3044 02:27:39.879 --> 02:27:42.239 appreciate his time. He will be in town. Is in 3045 02:27:42.319 --> 02:27:45.879 town to narrate the tabernacle. Require Chris's program down to 3046 02:27:45.920 --> 02:27:48.159 the conference center. All right, we'll catch a quick break. 3047 02:27:48.200 --> 02:27:51.280 We're live today at the road Home asking for your 3048 02:27:51.639 --> 02:27:54.000 financial donations at eight oh one eight one nine to 3049 02:27:54.000 --> 02:27:57.239 seventy three hundred or online at the Roadhome dot org 3050 02:27:57.280 --> 02:27:59.520 slash donate. You can come by in person if you 3051 02:27:59.520 --> 02:28:04.600 want to donate gently used or new coats, hats, gloves, socks, 3052 02:28:04.639 --> 02:28:07.200 anything to keep people warm this holiday season. 3053 02:28:07.200 --> 02:28:08.479 They do a great job out here. 3054 02:28:08.479 --> 02:28:11.319 This is my nineteenth year at the road Home Radio 3055 02:28:11.399 --> 02:28:14.280 thon so number eighth one, eight one nine seventy three 3056 02:28:14.319 --> 02:28:17.680 hundred the Roadhome dot org slash donate or the address 3057 02:28:17.719 --> 02:28:20.760 to come by in person is five twenty nine ninth 3058 02:28:20.760 --> 02:28:24.079 Avenue seventy three hundred south in mid Vale, Utah. All right, 3059 02:28:24.120 --> 02:28:26.120 more coming up on the other side on a Thursday, 3060 02:28:26.200 --> 02:28:27.920 Right here on ESPN seven hundred. 3061 02:28:38.920 --> 02:28:41.399 All right special thanks to Dennis Haysburts stopping by. 3062 02:28:41.520 --> 02:28:44.879 He's gonna be narrating the Tabernacle Choir Christmas Program in 3063 02:28:44.920 --> 02:28:47.840 the Consent Conference Center. Got off to a rough star 3064 02:28:47.920 --> 02:28:50.600 with that interview. Not gonna lie a little bit nervous. 3065 02:28:50.639 --> 02:28:53.440 I've been watching that dude in movies and on TV 3066 02:28:53.559 --> 02:28:55.959 for a long time and said like three things incorrect 3067 02:28:55.959 --> 02:28:57.079 to start, but it was fun. 3068 02:28:57.120 --> 02:28:58.079 Appreciate his time. 3069 02:28:58.639 --> 02:29:01.920 Check him out at the Tabernacle Choir Christmas Program down 3070 02:29:01.920 --> 02:29:04.879 to the Conference Center. We're live today at the road Home. 3071 02:29:04.959 --> 02:29:07.120 We are asking you to donate if you can this 3072 02:29:07.200 --> 02:29:10.239 time of year. If you're looking for something kind to 3073 02:29:10.280 --> 02:29:12.120 do to the community, this is a great place to 3074 02:29:12.159 --> 02:29:13.920 do it. The money goes where they say it's going 3075 02:29:13.959 --> 02:29:17.479 to go. Some nonprofits can't say that, but helping families 3076 02:29:17.479 --> 02:29:20.360 in need this holiday season. The phone number is eighth one, 3077 02:29:20.479 --> 02:29:23.719 eight one nine seventy three hundred. Come by in person 3078 02:29:23.799 --> 02:29:26.840 to donate new or gently used goods, namely coats and 3079 02:29:26.879 --> 02:29:30.120 hats and gloves and socks and underwear at five twenty 3080 02:29:30.200 --> 02:29:33.040 nine ninth AABS seventy three hundred South and Midvale. So 3081 02:29:33.120 --> 02:29:35.920 come on buy and say hi. If you're in need 3082 02:29:36.040 --> 02:29:38.959 of shelter tonight, you can call eight oh one nine 3083 02:29:39.079 --> 02:29:41.559 nine zero nine nine nine nine and the team will 3084 02:29:41.559 --> 02:29:43.319 direct you where you can get out of the cold. 3085 02:29:43.760 --> 02:29:46.280 Gonna bring in Gordon Monson coming up in just a 3086 02:29:46.280 --> 02:29:49.680 little bit, just to do some local college football in 3087 02:29:49.719 --> 02:29:52.559 addition to some jazz and some NBA jazz. Are in 3088 02:29:52.600 --> 02:29:55.239 action right now and they're actually ahead twelve nine. 3089 02:29:55.680 --> 02:29:56.319 Stay tuned. 3090 02:29:56.959 --> 02:30:00.319 NFL Week sixteen gets rolling with Thursday Night foot ball. 3091 02:30:00.360 --> 02:30:03.159 Don't forget we are your home of the NFL in 3092 02:30:03.239 --> 02:30:05.959 this market. So coming up in just under an hour 3093 02:30:06.040 --> 02:30:10.360 from right now from Sofi Stadium in Inglewood, California, is 3094 02:30:10.360 --> 02:30:12.600 where we'll find the Broncos and the Chargers. You can 3095 02:30:12.600 --> 02:30:15.559 hear that game on this radio station. The Charger are 3096 02:30:15.559 --> 02:30:19.399 a two point five point favorite. Utah Hockey Club picked 3097 02:30:19.479 --> 02:30:21.799 up a win last night. They'll be back in action 3098 02:30:21.879 --> 02:30:26.360 on Friday against Minnesota. So that's tomorrow tomorrow. Also, FAMU, 3099 02:30:26.440 --> 02:30:28.920 the school who was here in Salt Lake, you'd kick 3100 02:30:28.959 --> 02:30:30.639 their heads in a couple of nights ago. They're gonna 3101 02:30:30.639 --> 02:30:33.600 be in pro vo to take on BYU. Utah is 3102 02:30:33.639 --> 02:30:37.600 an action coming up against Iowa Big Ten opponent Saturday 3103 02:30:37.639 --> 02:30:39.200 on the road at four o'clock and the women are 3104 02:30:39.200 --> 02:30:42.479 gonna take on Arizona State. Patrick Mahomes has been cleared 3105 02:30:42.600 --> 02:30:46.719 to start for the Texans, So little injury news if 3106 02:30:46.760 --> 02:30:50.120 you're in your fantasy football playoffs coming up this weekend. 3107 02:30:50.159 --> 02:30:51.879 All right, we'll catch quick Break live at the Road Home. 3108 02:30:51.879 --> 02:30:53.879 I'm gonna bring in Gordon Monson coming up next right 3109 02:30:53.920 --> 02:31:13.760 here on ESPN seven hundred. All right, final segment of 3110 02:31:13.799 --> 02:31:15.719 the show today Live at the Road Home. 3111 02:31:15.719 --> 02:31:17.639 We're back here tomorrow. Keep that in mind. 3112 02:31:18.000 --> 02:31:20.920 It's always a two day situation and two of my 3113 02:31:21.000 --> 02:31:22.120 favorite days all year. 3114 02:31:22.319 --> 02:31:23.799 So if you did not have a chance to. 3115 02:31:23.799 --> 02:31:26.440 Stop by, I want to give one of my listeners, Lewis, 3116 02:31:26.440 --> 02:31:28.239 a shout out and just stop buy with a huge 3117 02:31:28.319 --> 02:31:31.639 U haul full of gear. I mean, just the coolest 3118 02:31:31.680 --> 02:31:33.760 thing and you always see it out here this time 3119 02:31:33.799 --> 02:31:36.319 of year at the Road Home. So if you're not 3120 02:31:36.319 --> 02:31:39.760 in a spot where you can donate financially, understandable people 3121 02:31:39.799 --> 02:31:43.399 are on a budget, they're asking for physical donations as well, 3122 02:31:44.200 --> 02:31:48.239 So new or gently used coats, hats, gloves, warm socks, 3123 02:31:48.319 --> 02:31:51.479 things like that can be brought to the Connie Crosby 3124 02:31:51.520 --> 02:31:54.479 Family Resource Center at five twenty nine ninth ABS seventy 3125 02:31:54.520 --> 02:31:57.840 three hundred South in Midvale. That's where we're at today 3126 02:31:58.000 --> 02:32:00.239 and we're going to be back here tomorrow. You're in 3127 02:32:00.280 --> 02:32:02.000 a spot where you can donate a couple of bucks, 3128 02:32:02.040 --> 02:32:04.879 five bucks, whatever it is. 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We're gonna be joined 3170 02:34:02.000 --> 02:34:05.399 by ute great Eric Weddle, our Friday Staple, Chris com 3171 02:34:05.479 --> 02:34:09.719 Ronnie BYU legend Blaine Fowler, Howard Beck, and Tony Jones 3172 02:34:09.799 --> 02:34:13.000 for some NBA conversation as well, and that will do 3173 02:34:13.040 --> 02:34:14.959 it for this Thursday Drive. We'll say a very special 3174 02:34:15.000 --> 02:34:17.840 thank you to Gordon Monson, Craig Bowler, Jack Richard Smith, 3175 02:34:18.280 --> 02:34:20.520 and the legendary Dennis Haysbert Man. 3176 02:34:20.520 --> 02:34:22.159 That was cool for this sound you may have missed. 3177 02:34:22.719 --> 02:34:25.520 Go to the website. It's ESPN seven hundred Sports dot com. 3178 02:34:25.559 --> 02:34:27.639 Make sure to download our mobile app and take us 3179 02:34:27.680 --> 02:34:30.760 on the go. It's the ESPN seven hundred app, available 3180 02:34:30.760 --> 02:34:33.000 in the App Store or the Google Play Store. 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