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<v Speaker 1>Weird things happened in the Weird.

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<v Speaker 2>Weird Weird. Welcome, Welcome, Welcome one, Welcome all to another

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<v Speaker 2>episode of Blesso said, so, thank you.

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<v Speaker 3>Who who is that the happy Buddha? Oh, the enlightened one?

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<v Speaker 2>Is that me? Yeah? Okay?

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<v Speaker 3>Cool?

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<v Speaker 2>Uh? What's up everybody? How are we doing?

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<v Speaker 3>Doing good? Man?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>Doing good?

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<v Speaker 2>Alex? How are we doing fantastic?

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<v Speaker 3>We just cut up for an hour or so?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we really did. I'm riding high, like I know,

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<v Speaker 2>my face is probably red and my eyes are probably

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<v Speaker 2>red because I've been laughing really really hard.

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<v Speaker 3>For the business too.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was business.

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<v Speaker 3>It's business.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>A lot of cutting up in this since then.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. But also right before we started, Ryan showed me

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<v Speaker 2>some gameplay of Black Myth Wukong, which is on theme

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<v Speaker 2>for today.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I said, the Ami Taba because there's a boss

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<v Speaker 3>you fight kind of like early in the game, and

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<v Speaker 3>I think it was this I can't remember the name

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<v Speaker 3>of it, but you've probably seen videos floating around of

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<v Speaker 3>these big headed baby monks. Yeah, you fight one and

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<v Speaker 3>he's like, O me Tapa is It's just cool, man,

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<v Speaker 3>It's it's like the the Great Savior Buddha.

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<v Speaker 4>M M.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, well Black Myth Wukong is on theme for today's episode.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, do you want to talk a little bit about that?

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<v Speaker 2>What part?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, just like the vibe of it, it's very cool because.

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<v Speaker 2>The game Yeah oh yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>So for those who don't know or are not like

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<v Speaker 3>gamer people in general, nerds, Yeah all right, I'm listening. Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>I was gonna, you know, throw up my little nerds

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<v Speaker 3>sign of people, but you'll just have to miss it anyway. No,

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<v Speaker 3>it's a cool game. But for those who aren't like

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<v Speaker 3>gamer nerds and they're not like aware of the significance

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<v Speaker 3>of it, it's the first ever like mainstream Chinese game,

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<v Speaker 3>so it's like, oh cool, you know, I can't wait

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<v Speaker 3>to see what it's like. But honestly, even though I

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<v Speaker 3>expected this, I think think about it like this, Nick,

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<v Speaker 3>most games we've ever played have been American or Japanese.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, the vast majority, I mean there are outliers, but

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<v Speaker 2>the vast majority. Yeah, exactly, Like like by I mean

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<v Speaker 2>we've lost triple A games ever, with a few exceptions,

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<v Speaker 2>are either American or Japanese.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, So imagine a game where it's literally set out

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<v Speaker 3>to be the first mainstream Chinese game, right, the first

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<v Speaker 3>Triple A game, Dude. The vibe is Buddhas statues every bro,

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<v Speaker 3>the Buddha chants, Like a lot of your enemies are

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<v Speaker 3>like just these Yao got yao guays, which are like

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<v Speaker 3>you know, Chinese demons and they're like, you know, seeking

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<v Speaker 3>enlightenment and they're talking about the the elixir of immortality,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's just it's on vibe, dude.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the music. The music is sounds like very authentic,

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<v Speaker 2>like ancient Chinese, like the flu, the bamboo flu sounds

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<v Speaker 2>and it's it's amazing and it's gorgeous, oh God, like

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<v Speaker 2>like this is the first, like you said, Triple A

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<v Speaker 2>Chinese title, and they came out swing in. Ryan and

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<v Speaker 2>I have been following this game for since it was

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<v Speaker 2>first every announced, which is probably like two and a

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<v Speaker 2>half years now.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like it's been more, dude.

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<v Speaker 2>It was my first apartment, might have been since I

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<v Speaker 2>saw this trailer. It has been like my most anticipated game.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just so hung up on Elden Ring DLC still

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<v Speaker 2>at the moment, but I'm buying it like next week probably.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like it definitely lived up. Like I'm a

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<v Speaker 3>little over halfway through the game, and I still feel like, ah,

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<v Speaker 3>I just got to keep going. I got to keep

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<v Speaker 3>seeing what happens next.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, yeah, we should probably say it's it's called Black

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<v Speaker 2>Myth Wukong. If you don't know, it's about Journey. It's

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<v Speaker 2>based off of Journey to the West, which is like

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<v Speaker 2>one of the most famous mythology stories of all history, right,

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<v Speaker 2>it is one of the very most famous. It's an

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<v Speaker 2>all ancient, ancient like Taoist slash Buddhist Chinese myth novel.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah in confusion too, Yeah, yes, yeah, so I didn't

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<v Speaker 3>know this obviously until we started doing research for the episode.

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<v Speaker 3>But in Chinese literature it's either four or five. I

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<v Speaker 3>can't remember the number. I want to say four, but

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<v Speaker 3>in Chinese culture there are considered to be let's just

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<v Speaker 3>say the number four. It could be five, but four

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<v Speaker 3>great works, like great classic Taoist and Buddhist works, and

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<v Speaker 3>one of them is Journey to the West. It's literally

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<v Speaker 3>one of the most prolific works that has ever come

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<v Speaker 3>out of Chinese history.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, ever and not so like not only is it

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<v Speaker 2>is it like groundbreaking legendary fantasy, it is also legendary

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<v Speaker 2>like religious text like it is, I mean we'll go

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<v Speaker 2>into that a little bit later. And not only that,

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<v Speaker 2>the cultural impact of Journey to the West, but also

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<v Speaker 2>the historical truth in it. It's based on a real story,

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<v Speaker 2>yes it is. Yeah, it's like an it's like a

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<v Speaker 2>mythologicalized that's like philosophized, mythologized, that's the word. It's like

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<v Speaker 2>a mythologized version of a true story. It's like they couch.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't know that at all.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't either until I did research for this. They

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<v Speaker 2>like built a myth around a true story, which is

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<v Speaker 2>like so epic. But I mean the cultural effect, like

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know you ever heard of dragon ball z.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what I'm saying, dude. I was reading parts of

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<v Speaker 3>the novel Journey to the West today and I didn't

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<v Speaker 3>realize it was a thousand pages. So I was like,

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<v Speaker 3>there's no way I can finish this, you know, in

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<v Speaker 3>one day. I would like to read it though it

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<v Speaker 3>reads really well, like I read parts of the first

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<v Speaker 3>chapter and yeah, too long. But something that's really cool

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<v Speaker 3>is there is a king Yama who is like the

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<v Speaker 3>king of Hell, who checks his ledger to let spirits

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<v Speaker 3>cross to and from the afterlifs so familiar yeah. King Yima.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, King Yima. He's got horns and everything. He's like

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<v Speaker 2>a big giant demon guy. He sits at a desk

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<v Speaker 2>and he has his Ledger of souls. You know what

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<v Speaker 2>I wonder, I wonder if that's the Book of Life

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<v Speaker 2>and Death? Is that what that is?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not sure that's a good point. We'll have to

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<v Speaker 3>read the novel. But I just had a memory. I

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<v Speaker 3>recently read the first episode, I mean the first issue

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<v Speaker 3>of Dragon Ball, just out of nowhere. I was like,

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<v Speaker 3>I want to read the first ever dragon yeah, like

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<v Speaker 3>with a few months ago, and I want to say

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<v Speaker 3>it's at the end of it or at the beginning.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna show you real quick. It basically says like,

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<v Speaker 3>here's you know, Goku based off of the Chinese legend.

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<v Speaker 3>Let me see if I can find it. But Goku

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<v Speaker 3>based off of the what do you mean, like when

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<v Speaker 3>it's introducing dragon Ball.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh? Oh, it actually acknowledges I'm pretty sure in the manga. Yeah, so,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean basically like the Dragon Ball parallel thing is okay,

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<v Speaker 2>So in Journey to the West, just to like jump

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<v Speaker 2>ahead a little bit, Wu Kong starts as this.

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<v Speaker 3>I found it.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, you did. Yeah. He starts as this little stone

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<v Speaker 2>monkey inside of a stone who like the stone is

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<v Speaker 2>actually an egg and it hatches and it's the stone

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<v Speaker 2>monkey on top of this waterfall.

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<v Speaker 3>What's it called, like the Mountain of Fruit and Flowers?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the Great Mountain of Fruit and Flowers, which is

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<v Speaker 2>so cool. And in dragon Ball, Goku he like crash

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<v Speaker 2>lands by a waterfall. Yeah, you know it's right there.

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<v Speaker 2>He's got the little monkey tale. He's like a little

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<v Speaker 2>baby monkey thing flying nimbus uh Wukong like has this

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<v Speaker 2>he flies around on clouds. He can like travel on

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<v Speaker 2>clouds and stuff like. And then the power pole. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>we'll go into that a little bit later. But like,

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<v Speaker 2>like Goku is kind of.

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<v Speaker 3>His name is Sun Goku. Yeah, like he's listen. Look,

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<v Speaker 3>this is the very first ever issue of dragon Ball.

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<v Speaker 3>This is the last page. When you get you know,

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<v Speaker 3>you read right to left. When you get to the

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<v Speaker 3>very end, there's a little banner. It says, remember your

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<v Speaker 3>Chinese fairy tales. You don't not even the impish monkey

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<v Speaker 3>king and his magic staff the nioibo. Oh well, drop

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<v Speaker 3>in next time and you'll learn. And then it says,

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<v Speaker 3>next my balls are missing obviously the dragon Balls. But

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<v Speaker 3>you know that's cool though, right, Like we never read

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<v Speaker 3>the original growing up.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I I definitely never did. I never know. I

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<v Speaker 2>never knew they explicitly acknowledged it. Yeah, I didn't even

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<v Speaker 2>in Dragon Ball.

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<v Speaker 3>And they don't in the anime, which I've seen multiple times.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's that was cool little sinkerity there. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I guess I'll go into that for a second.

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<v Speaker 3>But even though I've never like read Journey to the West,

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<v Speaker 3>Son Wukong has always been one of my favorite characters

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<v Speaker 3>of all time. And I know you never played this

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<v Speaker 3>game because I showed it to you before, but enslaved

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<v Speaker 3>no which game? Monkey Magic? Oh, it was from like

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<v Speaker 3>twenty five, almost thirty years ago. I think it was

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<v Speaker 3>on the PS one. It's one of the first PS

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<v Speaker 3>one games I ever had. And you play a Sun

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<v Speaker 3>Wukong and it's called Monkey Magic.

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<v Speaker 2>Right you told me up?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and you have the little power pole. It's like

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<v Speaker 3>a two D platformer game.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it looked awesome and when you.

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<v Speaker 3>Fight bosses, you fly on the cloud and it's just amazing, dude.

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<v Speaker 3>And I thought that was cool because I was doing

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<v Speaker 3>obviously like I was trying to see every adaptation of

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<v Speaker 3>Wukong ever made in like movies, And apparently there was

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<v Speaker 3>a show through like the eighties and nineties in China

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<v Speaker 3>that I can't remember what it was called, but the

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<v Speaker 3>theme song was called Monkey Magic.

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<v Speaker 2>Hmmm. Oh that's cool. That's awesome. There's been so many

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<v Speaker 2>they've done games. Did you know the game I'm talking about, Enslaved?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>I was watching videos of it today. Andy serkis voicing him.

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<v Speaker 2>No way, Oh my god, it's been such a long time.

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<v Speaker 3>I played that demo when it came out. I never

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<v Speaker 3>played the game.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, in like Xbox three sixty I think, huh yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I played the game at some point. I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>actually on game Pass. Oh sweet, it might be, but

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<v Speaker 2>and then smite. I love playing as Wukong and.

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<v Speaker 3>Well the Legends too. That's like the first character I

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<v Speaker 3>ever played in Legal Legends. I didn't know that it's

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<v Speaker 3>Sun Wukong.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, that's sick the clones and everything. Yeah, so

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<v Speaker 3>this this is like one of the most adapted characters

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<v Speaker 3>in history. Obviously, Like if you really think, I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>you could say, okay, well Naruto is you know, Japanese,

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<v Speaker 3>and that's fair, but it's also like one of the

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<v Speaker 3>most ubiquitous fiction shows on the planet. I mean, for sure,

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<v Speaker 3>millions and millions of people have consumed this material. I

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<v Speaker 3>mean even he has on the surface has nothing to

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<v Speaker 3>do with uh, you know, Sun Wukong and Journey to

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<v Speaker 3>the West, and even his main ability is shadow clones yep,

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<v Speaker 3>like Wukong, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, And there's there's references to Wukong all throughout. I mean, look,

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<v Speaker 3>It, the foretail or the his name is sung Goku, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>which I mean you know, technically he is an ape.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, there's tons of references at one piece. Oh

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<v Speaker 2>my god.

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<v Speaker 3>Really, oh monkey do loofy Yeah. Yeah, I thought about

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<v Speaker 3>that today.

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<v Speaker 2>And then like spoiler alert, Gear five is like is.

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<v Speaker 3>It monkey related?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean no, but he if you think about it, yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>He is kind of like Wukong.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't think about that until now, but yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>There's a lot of parallels. But also his personality is

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<v Speaker 2>the biggest thing. Yeah, because that's true. So Wukong's personality,

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<v Speaker 2>he's like very like reckless but rebellious, but also he

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<v Speaker 2>is like he fights for freedom above everything else, like

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<v Speaker 2>that's his like major price. He wants everybody to be

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<v Speaker 2>But he's also like he wants to smoke all the time,

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<v Speaker 2>and he he wants to fight.

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<v Speaker 3>Bro the game is like that too.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean that's that's sick. But like it makes

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<v Speaker 2>sense that like Goku and Loofy what they want to smoke, like,

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<v Speaker 2>they they don't just like not shy away from they

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<v Speaker 3>That's something that I appreciate about like martial arts culture

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<v Speaker 3>or you know, just anime or Chinese movies because there's

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<v Speaker 3>tons you know, Helo kung fu movies and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 3>It's it's always about just like you know, won the smoke.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I love that. I really love that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's like yeah his character, Lufy's character is very

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<v Speaker 2>much like inspired by wuk So.

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<v Speaker 3>I never realized I had a misunderstanding about the journey

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<v Speaker 3>of Sun Wukong. I never again, like I said, I've

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<v Speaker 3>never fully read the story. I've just always like loved

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<v Speaker 3>this character and seen the many different adaptations and I'm

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<v Speaker 3>like that's cool, but never read the thousand page novel.

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<v Speaker 3>But then today, you know, I had the luxury of

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<v Speaker 3>like reading tons of you know, explanations and watching you know,

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<v Speaker 3>YouTube documentaries, you know how it goes with research where

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<v Speaker 3>you're condensing all this information. And I learned so much

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<v Speaker 3>about Wukong's lord that I was never aware of the

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<v Speaker 3>fact that he becomes a Buddha, that.

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<v Speaker 2>Is the victorious fighting Buddha.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's like it's like victory over strife or something

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<v Speaker 3>like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he becomes a Buddha. And even before he became

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<v Speaker 2>a Buddha, he had power that rivaled the Buddha himself.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, did you did.

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<v Speaker 2>In your research? Did you come across the thing where

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<v Speaker 2>he was locked into that eight trigram crucible m hm

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<v Speaker 2>and like burned for forty nine days. They were trying

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<v Speaker 2>to melt him, Yeah, and turn him into an elixir.

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<v Speaker 2>The reason the fire didn't burn him is that that

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<v Speaker 2>fire can't burn people that are like on Buddha's level.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh that's so cool.

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<v Speaker 2>He's that Like I.

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<v Speaker 3>Read the part where he was like seeking immortality through

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<v Speaker 3>various means, and we can go a little more into that.

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<v Speaker 3>But yeah, he apparently ate this peach that was you know,

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<v Speaker 3>in the land of the Buddhas. I guess they call

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<v Speaker 3>it like the pure lands.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's basically like Heaven, right, and.

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<v Speaker 3>When he ate this peach, it gave him immortality. Fun fact,

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<v Speaker 3>when you start Black Myth, you play the prologue, which

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<v Speaker 3>is where you're like the fully realized Sun Wukong and

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<v Speaker 3>you're fighting basically the gods up in Heaven, the Buddhas,

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<v Speaker 3>and you know, you know how it goes in video games.

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<v Speaker 3>Sometimes you start full power and then you get nerved

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<v Speaker 3>and you go all the way back down to level one.

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<v Speaker 3>It doesn't really like explicitly explain the lore, which I appreciate,

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<v Speaker 3>just kind of moves you along. And so when you

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<v Speaker 3>start off for the first time as the Wukong that

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<v Speaker 3>you actually play throughout the game, a peach drops into

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<v Speaker 3>a little field and this wolf, which is the very

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<v Speaker 3>first enemy that you fight after the prologue, bites the

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<v Speaker 3>peach and he's like and he throws it down and

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<v Speaker 3>then poof, out of a cloud comes You're a peach,

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<v Speaker 3>just like in the myth. I didn't even know that

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<v Speaker 3>till today. He eats the peach and he achieves immortality.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, in the in the myth, he is like he

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<v Speaker 2>at one point becomes the guardian of like the Great

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<v Speaker 2>Peach Tree in Heaven, like how do you think do

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<v Speaker 2>you think we should like go chronologically like this.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, let's just do like we do with other myths

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<v Speaker 3>and just kind of like start from the beginning.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, cool, I have bullet points like on the beginning

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<v Speaker 2>of because essentially the first like seven or eight chapters

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<v Speaker 2>of the story is like is like everything leading up

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<v Speaker 2>to the actual journey to the West. It's like his

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<v Speaker 2>kind of origin story. Wulkong's like or how he became powerful,

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<v Speaker 2>how he became what he is, who he is whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>So basically I already said he was born out of

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<v Speaker 2>like this magical stone right on top of a and

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<v Speaker 2>it's said that the stone is imbued with the energy

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<v Speaker 2>of the five elements and the yin Yang energies, which

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<v Speaker 2>is heaven and earth. It's like heaven and earth energies.

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<v Speaker 2>That stone was apparently at some place where it absorbed

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<v Speaker 2>all of those energies, giving it the ability to like

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<v Speaker 2>create life, and it created a little stone monkey, right. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so he's he started as just like this little stone monkey.

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<v Speaker 2>He like finds these other monkeys they play in this stream. Ah,

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<v Speaker 2>he's being a monkey whatever, blah blah blah. They tell him,

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<v Speaker 2>if you can find the source of the stream, you

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<v Speaker 2>can be our king. Right, he goes and he finds

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<v Speaker 2>the source, and he becomes their king.

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<v Speaker 3>And then I read that in the first part of

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<v Speaker 3>chapter one.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he becomes their king because just because he found

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<v Speaker 2>the source of the water that they could never find

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<v Speaker 2>for whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like it was like on the other side of

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<v Speaker 3>a waterfall. Yes, he had to cross through this waterfall, yes.

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<v Speaker 2>Which is like the the symbolism is already starting, you

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<v Speaker 2>know what I mean, It's it's like it's it's so

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<v Speaker 2>this whole story is so chock full of symbolism. And

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<v Speaker 2>then basically kind of his like heroes journey catalyst is

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<v Speaker 2>that one day one of his like monkeys in this

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<v Speaker 2>kind of like adopted monkey family dies and he's like

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<v Speaker 2>just he's like heartbroken by it, and he goes on

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<v Speaker 2>a quest to learn how to defeat death, which is like,

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<v Speaker 2>that's a story we've heard so many times. It's it's

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<v Speaker 2>like there are so many parallels to that. The symbology,

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<v Speaker 2>like the going into the underworld, like it's it's already

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<v Speaker 2>a typical legendary like origin myth type thing. So he

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<v Speaker 2>travels across an ocean. He makes it like a little raft,

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<v Speaker 2>and he eventually comes across a magical Taoist martial artist

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<v Speaker 2>named Putizushi, who gives him the name sun Wukong. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>there's like a few different vers Yeah, I was gonna say,

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<v Speaker 2>there's a few different like versions. It's it's been translated

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<v Speaker 2>many times. We're talking about an age story. Yeah, there's

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of like varying names of things and that

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<v Speaker 2>sort of thing. But yeah, basically, this uh Puti Zushi,

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<v Speaker 2>he teaches uh the stone Monkey, the the art of

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<v Speaker 2>like Daoism, and he teaches him martial arts, and he

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<v Speaker 2>teaches him all of these like mystical Dallas practices, including

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<v Speaker 2>the Way of Immortality.

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<v Speaker 3>Subputi is the name that I saw.

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<v Speaker 2>Saputi Zushi. Yeah, yeah, And so after he teaches him

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<v Speaker 2>all of these these Dallas principles and like the Way

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<v Speaker 2>of Immortality and stuff, he names him sun Wukong.

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<v Speaker 3>What does it mean?

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<v Speaker 2>It means the monkey awakened by the emptiness m And

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<v Speaker 2>there's like, again, there's a few different translations of that,

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<v Speaker 2>Like some of the ones that I saw were like

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<v Speaker 2>meaning in the nothingness. There's a few different Like, so I.

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<v Speaker 3>Wonder what that means awakened to the emptiness like awakened

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<v Speaker 3>to his like he's.

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<v Speaker 2>Aware, awakened by the emptiness ah awakened. But but again,

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<v Speaker 2>I've seen like a few different versions. Let's let's read

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of the different versions. Let me find it

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<v Speaker 2>real quick.

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<v Speaker 6>To me, that makes me think death like awakened by

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<v Speaker 6>the death right because it was the death of his

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<v Speaker 6>friend or family member that sent him down the path.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's a good one.

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<v Speaker 3>The cool thing while he's looking for this, I want

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<v Speaker 3>to say, like, something that I realized is that the

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<v Speaker 3>story of Sun Wukong. So without knowing the story in

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<v Speaker 3>great detail, I thought it was just a story, but

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<v Speaker 3>I came to realize that it's actually like an allegory

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<v Speaker 3>about awakening absolutely becoming enlightened one thousand percent. That is

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<v Speaker 3>imagine that. Yeah, it it actually is, Like that's the thing,

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<v Speaker 3>like it actually is.

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<v Speaker 2>So check this out. His name literally translate as the

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<v Speaker 2>monkey awakened by the emptiness.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>Wukong's name is meant to represent his spiritual journey from

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<v Speaker 2>an ignorant, short tempered monkey to a benevolent, enlightened being

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<v Speaker 2>monkey mind. In Japan, he is known as Sun Goku.

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<v Speaker 7>Oh wait a minute, oh hallelujah, think about it, dude.

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<v Speaker 2>That makes me just go, what is Goku at birth?

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<v Speaker 2>He is a saying, he's a rash little punk, and

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<v Speaker 2>then he crash lands on earth and his mind is empty.

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<v Speaker 2>He has brain damage, he loses his memory.

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<v Speaker 3>This ah, I mean, I don't necessarily believe this, but

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<v Speaker 3>this is.

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<v Speaker 6>Making me think of the stoned ape theory because he's

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<v Speaker 2>That's actually kind of crazy.

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<v Speaker 3>That theory only came out like forty or fifty years ago.

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<v Speaker 3>Which is the interesting thing because this story has existed

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<v Speaker 3>like in well that's what I'm unconscious.

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<v Speaker 2>Well look what just happened with the quantum entangled particles.

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<v Speaker 2>The yin yang symbol has been around for thousands, if

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<v Speaker 2>not tens of thousands of years, and now all of

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<v Speaker 2>a sudden we get pictures of quantum entangled particles and

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<v Speaker 2>it's yin yang. Yeah that's wild, dude, it could That's

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<v Speaker 2>really the same thing that Alex is talking about.

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<v Speaker 3>Like, I know this is a little bit off trail,

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<v Speaker 3>but not really. Since I've been reading The Secret Teaching

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<v Speaker 3>of All Ages recently, a take that I really appreciated

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<v Speaker 3>about esoteric symbolism from that book is that when we

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<v Speaker 3>think of symbols, we think someone created them, right, I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>it's the natural conclusion who made the symbol?

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<v Speaker 2>Made it? Yes, made it.

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<v Speaker 3>But the take and I'll see if I can find

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<v Speaker 3>the quote later, but the take from the secret teaching

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<v Speaker 3>of all ages is not that these symbols are created

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<v Speaker 3>and like have attributed meanings, but rather that they exist

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<v Speaker 3>in nature and the metaphysical power that they are concealing

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<v Speaker 3>exists in the math of the symbol. So when you

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<v Speaker 3>think of these symbols, they have specific mathematical precision. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>you've probably seen videos on the five point of star

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<v Speaker 3>and all this stuff, and that these symbols might actually

424
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<v Speaker 3>subconsciously contain secrets of literally the structure in the origin

425
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<v Speaker 3>of the universe.

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<v Speaker 2>That that tracks.

427
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<v Speaker 3>Think about the yinyang tracks with the yin yang thing.

428
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<v Speaker 3>It's an ancient pre probably pre like as far back

429
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<v Speaker 3>as you know, Buddhist, Taoist, Hindu. I don't know if

430
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<v Speaker 3>that's that's related to Hinduism at all, but as far

431
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<v Speaker 3>back as these Eastern mystical cultures go, before written culture

432
00:22:33.880 --> 00:22:36.079
<v Speaker 3>when they were orally transmitted, this symbol has been around

433
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<v Speaker 3>and oh look, quantum dangle particle.

434
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<v Speaker 2>Twenty twenty three, twenty twenty three. We look at it

435
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<v Speaker 2>and it's like it's Yanyang. It's perfectly yin Yang. Yeah,

436
00:22:45.440 --> 00:22:48.759
<v Speaker 2>it's not like kind of it's like exactly yin Yang.

437
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so just interesting, you know.

438
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<v Speaker 2>I agree, I think that thought there. I think that's true.

439
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<v Speaker 3>Symbols come from nature, they pre exist human consciousness.

440
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<v Speaker 2>That makes perfect sense to me, if if only just

441
00:23:01.799 --> 00:23:04.759
<v Speaker 2>based off of the yin Yang thing. Yeah, but I

442
00:23:05.359 --> 00:23:06.799
<v Speaker 2>fully yeah, I believe that.

443
00:23:07.240 --> 00:23:09.160
<v Speaker 3>Monkey mind though. We were just getting on that that.

444
00:23:09.240 --> 00:23:11.079
<v Speaker 3>You know, when we're meditating, it's like we I have

445
00:23:11.160 --> 00:23:15.079
<v Speaker 3>monkey it's monkey mind. Monkey mind, that's what you can't meditate.

446
00:23:15.759 --> 00:23:17.359
<v Speaker 3>He's literally an allegory for that.

447
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<v Speaker 2>He is. He's an allegory for like the human spirit

448
00:23:20.440 --> 00:23:23.480
<v Speaker 2>and like the evolution of the human spirit, like overcoming

449
00:23:23.519 --> 00:23:27.039
<v Speaker 2>our monkey mind. Right, Like that's that's who Sun Wukong is.

450
00:23:27.079 --> 00:23:33.160
<v Speaker 2>That's it's honestly the coolest. Okay, So he becomes Sun Wukong.

451
00:23:33.319 --> 00:23:36.720
<v Speaker 2>He learns all of these Taoist principles and practices, learns

452
00:23:36.799 --> 00:23:41.119
<v Speaker 2>martial arts, he's beaten ass, he learns the Way of immortality,

453
00:23:41.599 --> 00:23:43.799
<v Speaker 2>and then he gets back to all of his monkey

454
00:23:43.799 --> 00:23:47.160
<v Speaker 2>family and he's jacked up, and he's like, I'm badass,

455
00:23:47.240 --> 00:23:48.880
<v Speaker 2>but all of you need to be able to defend

456
00:23:48.880 --> 00:23:51.799
<v Speaker 2>yourselves too, So I'm gonna go steal you a bunch

457
00:23:51.799 --> 00:23:54.039
<v Speaker 2>of weapons. And he goes and he steals them a

458
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<v Speaker 2>ton of weapons, and he's teaching him how to fight.

459
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<v Speaker 2>It's like the freaking scene from Mulan where they're training there,

460
00:24:00.079 --> 00:24:04.200
<v Speaker 2>you know, like they're all training. He's and then but

461
00:24:04.279 --> 00:24:07.400
<v Speaker 2>he's like, I can't I can't just use one of

462
00:24:07.400 --> 00:24:10.039
<v Speaker 2>these like normal ass, normy weapons. I gotta find me

463
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<v Speaker 2>a bad ass fucking weapon, a sick ass weapon, Like

464
00:24:13.839 --> 00:24:16.039
<v Speaker 2>where where could I get the sickest weapon of all?

465
00:24:16.279 --> 00:24:20.759
<v Speaker 2>A dragon? A dragon king? Hmm? So he goes in

466
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<v Speaker 2>search of.

467
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<v Speaker 6>That makes sense because dragon's more of a royal food.

468
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<v Speaker 2>It is more of a royal meat. Yes, so yep, yeah.

469
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<v Speaker 3>It's ranked when it goes bad.

470
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<v Speaker 2>Okay. So he goes in search for a dragon king

471
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<v Speaker 2>and he eventually finds one in al Guong. Yeah, oh

472
00:24:44.119 --> 00:24:48.200
<v Speaker 2>like al Quang, Yes, oh wow, Alang the dragon king.

473
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<v Speaker 3>You want to know a fun fact about that, The

474
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<v Speaker 3>way that the Chinese language transliterates into English, did you know,

475
00:24:53.799 --> 00:24:56.680
<v Speaker 3>like an alternative way to say, kung Fu is gong Fu?

476
00:24:56.400 --> 00:24:59.559
<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, like Enterchaine, a lot of the k's and

477
00:25:00.240 --> 00:25:02.279
<v Speaker 2>g sounds are interchangeable.

478
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<v Speaker 3>That's cool, dude.

479
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Alguog he meets him, and basically Wukong rolls up

480
00:25:09.519 --> 00:25:12.720
<v Speaker 2>and he's like, hey man, listen, King to king. He's like,

481
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<v Speaker 2>I'm a king, bro, you gotta give me a badass weapon.

482
00:25:15.200 --> 00:25:17.839
<v Speaker 2>You gotta give me, like literally just asks him, like,

483
00:25:18.039 --> 00:25:20.960
<v Speaker 2>give me a badass weapon. That's it. That's and Alguong

484
00:25:21.079 --> 00:25:24.279
<v Speaker 2>is like, who the fuck is this little kid? But

485
00:25:24.960 --> 00:25:29.240
<v Speaker 2>reluctantly he's like, you know what, I'll give him a

486
00:25:29.240 --> 00:25:31.799
<v Speaker 2>weapon because he's like saving face. He doesn't want to

487
00:25:31.799 --> 00:25:35.559
<v Speaker 2>look like he's he's hedging his bets. He doesn't know,

488
00:25:35.839 --> 00:25:37.720
<v Speaker 2>he doesn't look like he doesn't know. Yes, I mean, hey,

489
00:25:37.759 --> 00:25:41.079
<v Speaker 2>closed mouse still get fed exactly. So he's like, you

490
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<v Speaker 2>know what, sure, let him pick a let him pick

491
00:25:42.839 --> 00:25:45.359
<v Speaker 2>a weapon. So his servants go and pull out all

492
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<v Speaker 2>these weapons and and uh, Wukong is trying all of

493
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<v Speaker 2>these out and he's like not not liking any of

494
00:25:51.000 --> 00:25:53.000
<v Speaker 2>them or whatever, and then he picks one up that's

495
00:25:53.039 --> 00:25:56.559
<v Speaker 2>the size of a needle m and he like when

496
00:25:56.599 --> 00:25:59.079
<v Speaker 2>he grabs it in his hand. It turns into a

497
00:25:59.200 --> 00:26:03.160
<v Speaker 2>huge staff, a bow staff that weighs eight metric tons,

498
00:26:04.200 --> 00:26:05.440
<v Speaker 2>and he's king.

499
00:26:06.519 --> 00:26:08.960
<v Speaker 3>I just had that thought. There is a reference and

500
00:26:08.960 --> 00:26:13.519
<v Speaker 3>he has the staff and there's reference. Sorry, that just poh, that's.

501
00:26:13.400 --> 00:26:16.319
<v Speaker 2>Perfect and he's one of my favorite characters, Sartoby.

502
00:26:16.519 --> 00:26:19.359
<v Speaker 3>So this is a king dragon arms dealer.

503
00:26:19.960 --> 00:26:27.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, where do you get that job? A god? You're

504
00:26:27.519 --> 00:26:30.039
<v Speaker 2>a god, like a literal, actual god.

505
00:26:30.119 --> 00:26:34.079
<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna try for that reincarnation. Yeah, I've already defeated

506
00:26:34.119 --> 00:26:35.920
<v Speaker 3>two of the dragon kings in the game.

507
00:26:36.039 --> 00:26:40.279
<v Speaker 2>Oh, let's go. Yes. So he gets this staff called

508
00:26:40.799 --> 00:26:45.799
<v Speaker 2>Ruyi Jingubong, which is there's a couple of translations of that.

509
00:26:45.880 --> 00:26:50.559
<v Speaker 2>One is the Stabilizer of the Four Seas. Come on,

510
00:26:51.039 --> 00:26:53.799
<v Speaker 2>that's so cool. That's that's one of the name of

511
00:26:53.839 --> 00:26:57.960
<v Speaker 2>his staffs, Stabilizer of the Four Seas. Another translation calls

512
00:26:57.960 --> 00:27:03.079
<v Speaker 2>it translates it to the Staff of Miraculous Will, which, like,

513
00:27:03.119 --> 00:27:06.920
<v Speaker 2>I just think both of those translations are so badass. Anyway,

514
00:27:08.119 --> 00:27:11.039
<v Speaker 2>he like he now he has this newfound power. Al

515
00:27:11.079 --> 00:27:14.039
<v Speaker 2>Guong reluctantly gives him this weapon, Like whatever, I'm gonna

516
00:27:14.119 --> 00:27:16.319
<v Speaker 2>keep tabs on this guy. I'm gonna let him run

517
00:27:16.359 --> 00:27:17.920
<v Speaker 2>off and do his little thing, but I'm gonna keep

518
00:27:17.960 --> 00:27:22.480
<v Speaker 2>my eye on him. And little did he know, Wukong

519
00:27:22.559 --> 00:27:26.160
<v Speaker 2>runs back and he's like, yo, I am strong as shit.

520
00:27:26.279 --> 00:27:28.519
<v Speaker 2>Right now, He's like, I am the shit. I'm so

521
00:27:28.680 --> 00:27:31.960
<v Speaker 2>strong nobody can touch me. I'm gonna go and find

522
00:27:32.000 --> 00:27:34.200
<v Speaker 2>other people as strong as me. I'm gonna fight them,

523
00:27:34.400 --> 00:27:36.559
<v Speaker 2>and if they are, like, if they can hang a

524
00:27:36.599 --> 00:27:39.680
<v Speaker 2>little bit, we're gonna start a little gang. And he

525
00:27:39.759 --> 00:27:43.400
<v Speaker 2>started a group called the Seven Sages. So he went

526
00:27:43.480 --> 00:27:47.480
<v Speaker 2>and he found these different sages of like different animal tribes,

527
00:27:47.960 --> 00:27:51.279
<v Speaker 2>and he fought them, and if they proved worthy, he

528
00:27:51.319 --> 00:27:55.759
<v Speaker 2>would like let them join the Seven Sages. Now he's

529
00:27:55.839 --> 00:27:58.640
<v Speaker 2>like making a name for himself. He's out there doing

530
00:27:58.680 --> 00:28:02.920
<v Speaker 2>some shit. He's in the gang together. So now that's

531
00:28:02.960 --> 00:28:05.200
<v Speaker 2>when al Guog is like, I hold up, hold up,

532
00:28:05.200 --> 00:28:07.960
<v Speaker 2>hold up. This is getting out of control. He gets

533
00:28:08.039 --> 00:28:14.599
<v Speaker 2>angry and basically claims that son Wukong stole that weapon

534
00:28:14.640 --> 00:28:17.640
<v Speaker 2>from him because he's angry that he's gaining all this power,

535
00:28:17.960 --> 00:28:23.200
<v Speaker 2>and he sends sentences Wukong's soul to death. He sends

536
00:28:23.359 --> 00:28:31.440
<v Speaker 2>hell after Wukong, and Wukong's response is the coolest shit ever.

537
00:28:32.839 --> 00:28:38.279
<v Speaker 2>Wukong defies hell goes on a quest, finds the Book

538
00:28:38.319 --> 00:28:42.160
<v Speaker 2>of Life and Death and strikes his name from it,

539
00:28:42.200 --> 00:28:44.880
<v Speaker 2>takes his name out of the Books of Life and Death,

540
00:28:45.160 --> 00:28:48.359
<v Speaker 2>and also takes out the names of every monkey he knows,

541
00:28:49.359 --> 00:28:52.799
<v Speaker 2>all of them. He just takes him out. He's like,

542
00:28:53.039 --> 00:28:55.039
<v Speaker 2>we're not in this shit anymore, We're not alive.

543
00:28:55.000 --> 00:28:56.720
<v Speaker 3>And blow up and act like he knew nobody.

544
00:28:57.079 --> 00:29:02.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exact it took are coming.

545
00:29:02.799 --> 00:29:05.759
<v Speaker 7>Yes, they ain't no fun if my homies can't have

546
00:29:05.880 --> 00:29:08.759
<v Speaker 7>no Exactly, the whole gang glowed up.

547
00:29:08.880 --> 00:29:11.319
<v Speaker 3>That's like when I saw this video that Brad Pitt

548
00:29:11.400 --> 00:29:13.920
<v Speaker 3>or somebody maybe it was uh, I think it was

549
00:29:13.960 --> 00:29:17.480
<v Speaker 3>Brad Pitt gave one of his childhood friends fourteen million dollars,

550
00:29:17.519 --> 00:29:20.880
<v Speaker 3>just like, yeah, I took all my monkey friends' names

551
00:29:20.880 --> 00:29:22.880
<v Speaker 3>out of the Book of Life and Death. Yes, so

552
00:29:23.000 --> 00:29:24.960
<v Speaker 3>now the immortality.

553
00:29:24.400 --> 00:29:28.039
<v Speaker 2>Basically yeah, yeah, dude, the whole gang glowed up.

554
00:29:28.119 --> 00:29:28.720
<v Speaker 3>That's awesome.

555
00:29:28.839 --> 00:29:30.200
<v Speaker 2>I know he's he is the.

556
00:29:30.200 --> 00:29:33.319
<v Speaker 3>Sh He really is the epitome of like literally challenging

557
00:29:33.680 --> 00:29:35.200
<v Speaker 3>the highest forces of the cosmos.

558
00:29:35.240 --> 00:29:38.640
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, the highest forces. And now, because of this

559
00:29:38.759 --> 00:29:41.400
<v Speaker 2>act of wiping all these names from the Book of

560
00:29:41.440 --> 00:29:45.480
<v Speaker 2>Life and Death, now the most powerful force has got

561
00:29:45.480 --> 00:29:50.079
<v Speaker 2>his eyes on him, the Jade Emperor, the Jade Emperor,

562
00:29:50.720 --> 00:29:53.920
<v Speaker 2>which is like the primordial God.

563
00:29:54.480 --> 00:29:58.279
<v Speaker 3>Isn't there like a celestial Emperor above the Jade Emperor

564
00:29:58.759 --> 00:30:02.480
<v Speaker 3>that he put too? Because from what I read, the

565
00:30:02.559 --> 00:30:04.960
<v Speaker 3>Jade Emperor is like asking could like I thought the

566
00:30:05.039 --> 00:30:07.559
<v Speaker 3>Jade Emperor was over Earth and then there's like a

567
00:30:07.960 --> 00:30:11.319
<v Speaker 3>like an equivalent to the Jade Emperor of the heavenly realm.

568
00:30:11.480 --> 00:30:12.799
<v Speaker 2>Could be it could.

569
00:30:12.640 --> 00:30:15.319
<v Speaker 3>Be Celestial Emperor or something. I don't know.

570
00:30:15.680 --> 00:30:18.480
<v Speaker 2>It may be that what I read is that it

571
00:30:18.559 --> 00:30:22.480
<v Speaker 2>was just the Jade Emperor was like he's the primordial God.

572
00:30:22.680 --> 00:30:22.960
<v Speaker 3>Wow.

573
00:30:23.480 --> 00:30:26.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and he like commands the Heavenly Armies and the

574
00:30:26.160 --> 00:30:32.000
<v Speaker 2>Celestial Warriors, which like, yeah, he commands an army of

575
00:30:32.079 --> 00:30:37.359
<v Speaker 2>one hundred thousand celestial warriors, each of them possessing the

576
00:30:37.400 --> 00:30:39.359
<v Speaker 2>power of a celestial body.

577
00:30:39.519 --> 00:30:40.200
<v Speaker 3>What's his name?

578
00:30:41.240 --> 00:30:43.440
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I just the thing that I was

579
00:30:43.440 --> 00:30:45.359
<v Speaker 2>reading was referring to him as the Jade Emperor.

580
00:30:45.400 --> 00:30:48.119
<v Speaker 3>This makes me want to play Jade Empire. Oh dude,

581
00:30:48.119 --> 00:30:51.400
<v Speaker 3>I had the same did I haven't played that game

582
00:30:51.400 --> 00:30:55.119
<v Speaker 3>in like twenty years. It's a game pass on PC.

583
00:30:55.519 --> 00:30:58.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, get it on PC. Played on PC yeah. That

584
00:30:58.759 --> 00:31:01.680
<v Speaker 2>is a good marshal large game. It's just a great

585
00:31:01.680 --> 00:31:06.400
<v Speaker 2>game in general. You have you did you see the

586
00:31:06.400 --> 00:31:07.720
<v Speaker 2>trailer for that secret level?

587
00:31:07.799 --> 00:31:08.039
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

588
00:31:08.119 --> 00:31:13.279
<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, yeah, yes, And like the the Seafoo episode

589
00:31:13.319 --> 00:31:20.039
<v Speaker 2>is like in the style of Seafoo, it looks like anyway, okay. So, yeah,

590
00:31:20.079 --> 00:31:23.240
<v Speaker 2>he gets reported to the Jade Emperor, the God, the

591
00:31:23.279 --> 00:31:27.200
<v Speaker 2>Big G, the Guy, the Primordial God, because I mean

592
00:31:27.240 --> 00:31:29.839
<v Speaker 2>he's like messing with the books of life and death, right,

593
00:31:29.880 --> 00:31:34.440
<v Speaker 2>so he's he's crossing lines. So he gets reported. They're

594
00:31:34.480 --> 00:31:36.119
<v Speaker 2>like Master Master.

595
00:31:37.920 --> 00:31:38.839
<v Speaker 3>Like the nineties movies.

596
00:31:40.640 --> 00:31:44.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, and okay, and so the the Big G

597
00:31:45.039 --> 00:31:50.000
<v Speaker 2>sends the whole Heavenly Army at Wukong, just sends them together.

598
00:31:50.119 --> 00:31:51.839
<v Speaker 3>That's literally the opening of Black Man.

599
00:31:52.000 --> 00:31:55.000
<v Speaker 2>Sends them to get him, shut up, the whole army

600
00:31:55.079 --> 00:31:59.400
<v Speaker 2>go get him, and and they fail. Wukom fights them

601
00:31:59.440 --> 00:32:03.640
<v Speaker 2>all off, fights them all off. So then the response,

602
00:32:03.680 --> 00:32:07.599
<v Speaker 2>this is crazy. This is crazy. He sends everybody to

603
00:32:07.599 --> 00:32:12.720
<v Speaker 2>beat Wolkong's ass, everybody, and when it doesn't work, he's like,

604
00:32:12.920 --> 00:32:16.400
<v Speaker 2>all right, homie, you can live in heaven. He's straight

605
00:32:16.480 --> 00:32:19.680
<v Speaker 2>up like, I don't even want to deal with your ship.

606
00:32:19.759 --> 00:32:22.200
<v Speaker 2>You can live in Heaven. Just don't bother me no more,

607
00:32:22.720 --> 00:32:23.440
<v Speaker 2>Like straight.

608
00:32:23.240 --> 00:32:26.200
<v Speaker 3>Up, I get those feelings sometimes. What do you mean,

609
00:32:26.359 --> 00:32:29.599
<v Speaker 3>I'm tired of messing with you many? Yeah, they go

610
00:32:29.680 --> 00:32:30.680
<v Speaker 3>easy on me, dude.

611
00:32:31.480 --> 00:32:34.759
<v Speaker 6>No, no, I think like you know, I'll do something

612
00:32:34.759 --> 00:32:37.200
<v Speaker 6>and I'll be like man or like like locking the

613
00:32:37.240 --> 00:32:40.720
<v Speaker 6>house right or locking the upstairs door or whatever, like

614
00:32:40.720 --> 00:32:41.480
<v Speaker 6>if someone.

615
00:32:41.240 --> 00:32:42.680
<v Speaker 3>Wants it that bad, they can have it.

616
00:32:42.960 --> 00:32:43.079
<v Speaker 2>What.

617
00:32:44.200 --> 00:32:46.319
<v Speaker 3>I don't know that I feel that way, but.

618
00:32:46.759 --> 00:32:49.119
<v Speaker 2>Oh locking, Oh I see what you mean. Yeah, like

619
00:32:49.200 --> 00:32:54.279
<v Speaker 2>I leave my third floor like balcony doors open because

620
00:32:54.279 --> 00:32:58.920
<v Speaker 2>I'm like they deserve it. Yeah, go ahead, yeah yeah,

621
00:32:59.039 --> 00:33:01.359
<v Speaker 2>they climb all the way up here. You got it,

622
00:33:01.640 --> 00:33:04.000
<v Speaker 2>you got it. That's what the Jade Emperor did. He's like, bro,

623
00:33:04.240 --> 00:33:07.759
<v Speaker 2>you just smacked my whole damn army like you got it.

624
00:33:08.160 --> 00:33:12.079
<v Speaker 2>But but he was sly about it. He was he

625
00:33:12.160 --> 00:33:17.759
<v Speaker 2>was trifling, like bad who was Jade Emperor. He invites

626
00:33:17.839 --> 00:33:22.000
<v Speaker 2>him to Heaven, and so Wukong is like, okay, that's cool,

627
00:33:22.279 --> 00:33:25.440
<v Speaker 2>like I could I could do that, And he's thinking

628
00:33:25.480 --> 00:33:27.240
<v Speaker 2>like damn, they're gonna like I'm gonna be a god,

629
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<v Speaker 2>Like I'm gonna be a god now. But no, the

630
00:33:31.400 --> 00:33:37.799
<v Speaker 2>Jade Emperor names him names Wukong the stable boy of

631
00:33:37.880 --> 00:33:38.759
<v Speaker 2>the cloud horses.

632
00:33:38.920 --> 00:33:40.960
<v Speaker 3>I saw that, and he took it as a great insult.

633
00:33:41.039 --> 00:33:46.000
<v Speaker 2>It's the lowliest job in all of heaven, like in Yeah,

634
00:33:46.039 --> 00:33:47.480
<v Speaker 2>it's the lowliest job.

635
00:33:47.640 --> 00:33:50.880
<v Speaker 3>Which is another cool thing about like Chinese myth is

636
00:33:50.920 --> 00:33:53.640
<v Speaker 3>how they portray the gods in the celestial You could

637
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<v Speaker 3>say the spirit world as like a bureaucracy.

638
00:33:56.880 --> 00:34:01.319
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yes, they call it computer. Yeah, they call it

639
00:34:01.400 --> 00:34:06.200
<v Speaker 2>like a divine bureaucracy or like a something something like that.

640
00:34:06.240 --> 00:34:08.360
<v Speaker 2>But the word bureaucracy is used.

641
00:34:08.679 --> 00:34:10.880
<v Speaker 3>It's like how they saw the because it's how it

642
00:34:10.920 --> 00:34:13.199
<v Speaker 3>was on Earth. So you know, it's I guess it's

643
00:34:13.199 --> 00:34:15.800
<v Speaker 3>like maybe subconsciously that as above so below thing like

644
00:34:15.800 --> 00:34:17.719
<v Speaker 3>when they're writing this, well you know, surely heaven was

645
00:34:17.719 --> 00:34:18.360
<v Speaker 3>worked this way too.

646
00:34:18.519 --> 00:34:21.000
<v Speaker 2>Your good point. No, that's a good point. That's probably

647
00:34:21.039 --> 00:34:23.199
<v Speaker 2>what it was. They're like, well, if we're doing this,

648
00:34:23.639 --> 00:34:27.480
<v Speaker 2>it's because they're doing it and we're you know inspired.

649
00:34:27.639 --> 00:34:29.239
<v Speaker 3>Yea, that's how Chinese culture was.

650
00:34:29.360 --> 00:34:33.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, so he gives him the worst job

651
00:34:33.159 --> 00:34:34.159
<v Speaker 2>in heaven basically.

652
00:34:34.760 --> 00:34:37.960
<v Speaker 8>So just just a pause though, because I don't think

653
00:34:38.000 --> 00:34:41.840
<v Speaker 8>that's the worst thing, like striving for beauty striving for perfection,

654
00:34:42.760 --> 00:34:44.840
<v Speaker 8>I don't know, wanting to be like heaven.

655
00:34:45.719 --> 00:34:48.000
<v Speaker 3>Oh no, oh of course no. It's just funny that

656
00:34:48.039 --> 00:34:51.280
<v Speaker 3>the way that they describe heaven in their mythology.

657
00:34:50.840 --> 00:34:52.559
<v Speaker 2>Is like a bureaucracy.

658
00:34:52.880 --> 00:34:55.239
<v Speaker 3>Like, dude, we were talking about yeah, we were talking

659
00:34:55.239 --> 00:34:57.519
<v Speaker 3>about how like the the Guardian of the Gates of

660
00:34:57.519 --> 00:34:59.440
<v Speaker 3>Hell or the King of Hell. He has a ledger,

661
00:34:59.480 --> 00:35:01.920
<v Speaker 3>he has a book full of names. It's like, ah, this,

662
00:35:02.079 --> 00:35:03.519
<v Speaker 3>you know, this sold.

663
00:35:03.440 --> 00:35:06.159
<v Speaker 2>Probably the book of Life and Death probably what it

664
00:35:06.159 --> 00:35:06.639
<v Speaker 2>was talking about.

665
00:35:06.639 --> 00:35:08.519
<v Speaker 6>When I mean, how else you're gonna keep track? Yeah,

666
00:35:08.519 --> 00:35:09.880
<v Speaker 6>you can't memorize iPad.

667
00:35:10.159 --> 00:35:15.840
<v Speaker 2>I was literally iPad iPads Now, dude, you know records

668
00:35:17.199 --> 00:35:20.639
<v Speaker 2>it is heaven. Yeah. So yeah, gives him the worst

669
00:35:20.719 --> 00:35:23.599
<v Speaker 2>job in heaven, makes him a stable boy, and Woukong's like,

670
00:35:23.639 --> 00:35:28.039
<v Speaker 2>hold up, shoot, I take that job. No. He's like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

671
00:35:28.119 --> 00:35:31.000
<v Speaker 2>I ain't no stable boy's son, I ain't doing it.

672
00:35:31.199 --> 00:35:35.960
<v Speaker 2>He refuses, and he frees the cloud horses. He like

673
00:35:36.119 --> 00:35:38.519
<v Speaker 2>opens up all the gates and just lets them all go.

674
00:35:38.719 --> 00:35:39.440
<v Speaker 3>That's what I would do.

675
00:35:39.519 --> 00:35:41.760
<v Speaker 2>I know, he's such a g dude. He just lets

676
00:35:41.800 --> 00:35:44.760
<v Speaker 2>them all go. And then he's like he lets them

677
00:35:44.760 --> 00:35:46.639
<v Speaker 2>all go. He turns to leave, and then he's like,

678
00:35:46.679 --> 00:35:50.079
<v Speaker 2>by the way, I'm the Great Sage, Heaven's equal peace. Bro,

679
00:35:51.760 --> 00:35:52.679
<v Speaker 2>Like he does.

680
00:35:53.000 --> 00:35:55.920
<v Speaker 3>I feel like he is low key and this is

681
00:35:55.920 --> 00:35:58.039
<v Speaker 3>what Jeremy told me to but I think he was right.

682
00:35:58.079 --> 00:36:00.760
<v Speaker 3>He literally is like the original own character.

683
00:36:00.840 --> 00:36:01.280
<v Speaker 2>He is.

684
00:36:01.400 --> 00:36:04.960
<v Speaker 3>Yes, he's the original archetype of the shown in Hero

685
00:36:05.440 --> 00:36:08.039
<v Speaker 3>one thousand percent, and that makes it so much better.

686
00:36:08.159 --> 00:36:11.920
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, it's like reading this is like reading an Amonga right,

687
00:36:11.960 --> 00:36:14.880
<v Speaker 2>straight up, it is. He's he is like a shown

688
00:36:14.920 --> 00:36:15.840
<v Speaker 2>in Protagonist.

689
00:36:16.159 --> 00:36:16.639
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

690
00:36:16.760 --> 00:36:21.239
<v Speaker 2>He he refuses their offer, frees all the horses, and

691
00:36:21.280 --> 00:36:24.719
<v Speaker 2>then he's like on the on the Great Sage, Heaven's

692
00:36:24.760 --> 00:36:30.519
<v Speaker 2>equal peace, and he leaves. Dude, he's a gee, he's

693
00:36:30.559 --> 00:36:31.119
<v Speaker 2>the ship.

694
00:36:31.400 --> 00:36:33.800
<v Speaker 3>I mean, dude, I mean, at least my favorite but

695
00:36:34.360 --> 00:36:36.800
<v Speaker 3>arguably one of the very best characters in all of

696
00:36:36.840 --> 00:36:40.360
<v Speaker 3>fiction is literally directly based on him. So like, there's

697
00:36:40.400 --> 00:36:43.840
<v Speaker 3>definitely a powerful resonance to this.

698
00:36:44.199 --> 00:36:48.400
<v Speaker 2>Okay, archetype. So he bounces out, he bounces, and then

699
00:36:48.599 --> 00:36:50.360
<v Speaker 2>Jade Emperor's like, wait wait wait wait wait wait wait

700
00:36:50.360 --> 00:36:54.039
<v Speaker 2>wait wait wait okay, all right, fine, fine, I'll give

701
00:36:54.079 --> 00:37:00.039
<v Speaker 2>you the job of guarding the heavenly peach garden and

702
00:37:00.039 --> 00:37:04.760
<v Speaker 2>and Woo Kong is like I like peaches. He's like

703
00:37:04.760 --> 00:37:08.280
<v Speaker 2>like Goku and Loofy. He's all about eating and drinking

704
00:37:08.480 --> 00:37:10.400
<v Speaker 2>and like that's what he does. He likes to eat.

705
00:37:10.800 --> 00:37:12.920
<v Speaker 3>How much crime is going on in this heaven because

706
00:37:13.679 --> 00:37:17.199
<v Speaker 3>a lot it's a bureaucus. Okay, yeah, they got like

707
00:37:17.239 --> 00:37:18.480
<v Speaker 3>white collar heave and fraud.

708
00:37:19.599 --> 00:37:20.159
<v Speaker 2>That's what I mean.

709
00:37:20.199 --> 00:37:22.360
<v Speaker 3>Why you gotta guard everything is heaven? You got people

710
00:37:22.719 --> 00:37:24.079
<v Speaker 3>freeing the horses in the stable.

711
00:37:24.199 --> 00:37:27.559
<v Speaker 2>It's it's it's like a realm. It's not like heaven.

712
00:37:27.840 --> 00:37:31.679
<v Speaker 2>And according to this, it's not like you only get

713
00:37:31.679 --> 00:37:34.079
<v Speaker 2>there if you're like pure of heart and like whatever.

714
00:37:34.159 --> 00:37:35.880
<v Speaker 2>It's okay, you have.

715
00:37:35.800 --> 00:37:39.559
<v Speaker 3>To lend to this realm by escaping reincarnation and achieving

716
00:37:39.599 --> 00:37:45.000
<v Speaker 3>Taoist merits. They have a merit system in their philosophical system.

717
00:37:45.599 --> 00:37:50.000
<v Speaker 3>It's nothing like Western sticks. I don't know, man, maybe

718
00:37:50.039 --> 00:37:53.199
<v Speaker 3>like peaches. Yeah yeah, peach slices.

719
00:37:53.519 --> 00:37:55.400
<v Speaker 2>So he takes the job. He's like cool, I like

720
00:37:55.440 --> 00:37:57.480
<v Speaker 2>peaches that I can eat a lot of peaches. He's

721
00:37:57.480 --> 00:38:00.159
<v Speaker 2>from the Mountain of fruits and flowers. It's like he

722
00:38:00.320 --> 00:38:03.519
<v Speaker 2>likes fruits whatever, So he takes it. And he's like,

723
00:38:03.880 --> 00:38:07.559
<v Speaker 2>now they'll respect me as a god. But they didn't,

724
00:38:07.719 --> 00:38:12.440
<v Speaker 2>sadly because the Jade emperor called a huge banquet, and

725
00:38:12.480 --> 00:38:17.320
<v Speaker 2>who is the only god that didn't get invited? Sun Wukong.

726
00:38:17.599 --> 00:38:20.119
<v Speaker 2>Which this I wanted to take a little side note

727
00:38:20.159 --> 00:38:22.800
<v Speaker 2>and point out, this is a direct parallel. There is

728
00:38:22.840 --> 00:38:27.320
<v Speaker 2>a direct parallel here to Norse mythology because the start

729
00:38:27.400 --> 00:38:31.400
<v Speaker 2>of Fimble Winter and Ragnarok was because Loki was not

730
00:38:31.519 --> 00:38:34.639
<v Speaker 2>invited to sit at the Hall of Valjawa. He wasn't

731
00:38:34.679 --> 00:38:36.079
<v Speaker 2>invited to sit at the table.

732
00:38:36.360 --> 00:38:41.199
<v Speaker 3>That's interesting because I also read that the parallel basically,

733
00:38:41.239 --> 00:38:42.880
<v Speaker 3>like if you think about it as a parallel to

734
00:38:43.039 --> 00:38:47.639
<v Speaker 3>Viking myth, Wukong starts as Loki, yes, absolutely, and he

735
00:38:47.800 --> 00:38:50.880
<v Speaker 3>ends his store. Yeah, it transforms into the hero.

736
00:38:51.079 --> 00:38:54.920
<v Speaker 2>Oh that's badass. He's both that's bad ass, dude.

737
00:38:55.119 --> 00:38:58.599
<v Speaker 3>He is very trickstery and very first yes, yes, but

738
00:38:58.639 --> 00:39:01.320
<v Speaker 3>then he becomes you know, the a Buddha, not the Buddha,

739
00:39:01.360 --> 00:39:01.880
<v Speaker 3>but a Buddha.

740
00:39:01.960 --> 00:39:04.639
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, straight up. He becomes the victorious fighting Buddha.

741
00:39:04.800 --> 00:39:05.079
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

742
00:39:05.360 --> 00:39:09.000
<v Speaker 2>In the end. Yeah, so he is the only guy

743
00:39:09.039 --> 00:39:13.159
<v Speaker 2>that doesn't get invited, and now he's real pissed, real, real,

744
00:39:13.280 --> 00:39:18.320
<v Speaker 2>real pisted, so he openly defies Heaven openly again again.

745
00:39:18.599 --> 00:39:21.800
<v Speaker 2>But now he's like, bring them, bring the rest, Bring

746
00:39:21.840 --> 00:39:25.000
<v Speaker 2>the rest what I want seconds, bring, Bring the ones

747
00:39:25.039 --> 00:39:28.159
<v Speaker 2>you didn't bring out the first time. Let's go. But

748
00:39:28.199 --> 00:39:30.719
<v Speaker 2>before he does that, he's like, they're setting up for

749
00:39:30.760 --> 00:39:33.960
<v Speaker 2>this banquet that means there's a hell of food and drink,

750
00:39:34.840 --> 00:39:37.880
<v Speaker 2>but it's only gonna be up towards the top. So

751
00:39:38.000 --> 00:39:42.280
<v Speaker 2>he wanders to the in the Heavenly Palace, he wanders

752
00:39:42.360 --> 00:39:46.840
<v Speaker 2>to the thirty third floor. Ooh, he wanders all the

753
00:39:46.880 --> 00:39:48.480
<v Speaker 2>way up to the thirty third floor.

754
00:39:48.559 --> 00:39:50.320
<v Speaker 3>I don't know if you just a quick pause. I

755
00:39:50.360 --> 00:39:52.440
<v Speaker 3>don't know if you guys remember this, but on episode

756
00:39:52.440 --> 00:39:55.639
<v Speaker 3>thirty three, we talked about symbolism behind the number, and

757
00:39:55.920 --> 00:39:59.679
<v Speaker 3>none other than in Buddhist philosophy, there were thirty third

758
00:40:00.159 --> 00:40:02.320
<v Speaker 3>gems in the gate to Heaven. There we go, you know,

759
00:40:02.719 --> 00:40:03.960
<v Speaker 3>or thirty three gems.

760
00:40:04.039 --> 00:40:07.719
<v Speaker 2>You know, there we go? And uh. This kind of

761
00:40:07.760 --> 00:40:11.119
<v Speaker 2>piggybacks off the not locking your doors thing the on

762
00:40:11.199 --> 00:40:14.840
<v Speaker 2>the thirty floor. On the thirty third floor, they describe

763
00:40:14.840 --> 00:40:17.639
<v Speaker 2>in the story that they leave everything unlocked. All the

764
00:40:17.719 --> 00:40:20.000
<v Speaker 2>doors are open, all the windows are open, because you

765
00:40:20.039 --> 00:40:23.599
<v Speaker 2>can only get there, like only the deities with the

766
00:40:23.679 --> 00:40:25.679
<v Speaker 2>highest spiritual power can get there.

767
00:40:26.000 --> 00:40:28.440
<v Speaker 3>That is insane that that just like played out right

768
00:40:28.440 --> 00:40:30.119
<v Speaker 3>in front of us. How he talked about I don't

769
00:40:30.119 --> 00:40:33.199
<v Speaker 3>lock my third balcony window, you know, thirty third.

770
00:40:32.920 --> 00:40:35.320
<v Speaker 2>Floor, they don't lock the windows, they don't lock the doors,

771
00:40:36.000 --> 00:40:37.800
<v Speaker 2>and you could because you can only get there if

772
00:40:37.840 --> 00:40:39.840
<v Speaker 2>you're like the highest spiritual power.

773
00:40:40.599 --> 00:40:44.320
<v Speaker 6>Maybe I wonder if there's like some functuae about keeping

774
00:40:44.360 --> 00:40:47.360
<v Speaker 6>your third floor windows and doors open.

775
00:40:47.679 --> 00:40:49.079
<v Speaker 3>I don't know, maybe something to look into.

776
00:40:49.320 --> 00:40:52.079
<v Speaker 2>That's a good point. I'm all about the I've always

777
00:40:52.079 --> 00:40:54.440
<v Speaker 2>wanted to like get really into functuay.

778
00:40:54.599 --> 00:40:57.400
<v Speaker 6>It's cool, man like, especially when you get into like

779
00:40:57.800 --> 00:41:02.599
<v Speaker 6>because we're we me and Olivia are really into our

780
00:41:02.639 --> 00:41:04.559
<v Speaker 6>bedroom being a place for sleep.

781
00:41:04.960 --> 00:41:06.199
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so there's no TV.

782
00:41:06.440 --> 00:41:07.400
<v Speaker 2>No, I don't And.

783
00:41:07.320 --> 00:41:10.920
<v Speaker 6>We are very deliberate about the furniture placement and having

784
00:41:10.960 --> 00:41:13.639
<v Speaker 6>to do with funk shue and where your headboard is

785
00:41:14.079 --> 00:41:16.239
<v Speaker 6>in relation to a window, like where the head of

786
00:41:16.280 --> 00:41:17.840
<v Speaker 6>your bed is in relation to a window, Where the

787
00:41:17.880 --> 00:41:19.880
<v Speaker 6>head of your bed is in relation to a door,

788
00:41:20.360 --> 00:41:22.280
<v Speaker 6>like if you sleep on one side, like if the

789
00:41:22.360 --> 00:41:24.719
<v Speaker 6>door is on one side of the bed or the other.

790
00:41:25.440 --> 00:41:27.360
<v Speaker 6>It's like the way the energy moves to the space.

791
00:41:27.440 --> 00:41:29.719
<v Speaker 6>You have one person that sleeps better than the other person.

792
00:41:29.719 --> 00:41:30.519
<v Speaker 6>It's really interesting.

793
00:41:30.800 --> 00:41:33.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it is. We looked into some of that stuff

794
00:41:33.480 --> 00:41:35.840
<v Speaker 2>when we were setting up in our new apartment. The

795
00:41:35.920 --> 00:41:38.280
<v Speaker 2>issue is that it's a two bedroom. One of the

796
00:41:38.280 --> 00:41:40.639
<v Speaker 2>bedrooms is much bigger than the other, and we chose

797
00:41:40.719 --> 00:41:44.320
<v Speaker 2>the bigger bedroom to be our shared office space. So

798
00:41:44.400 --> 00:41:47.239
<v Speaker 2>then like our actual bedroom is much smaller. But I

799
00:41:47.320 --> 00:41:49.960
<v Speaker 2>like that because we do the same thing. Where our

800
00:41:50.000 --> 00:41:53.159
<v Speaker 2>bedroom is literally just where we go at the very

801
00:41:53.280 --> 00:41:55.599
<v Speaker 2>end of the day to go to sleep. There's no TV, there's.

802
00:41:55.480 --> 00:41:58.199
<v Speaker 3>No Yeah, she goes as far now as her phone

803
00:41:58.320 --> 00:41:59.559
<v Speaker 3>does not go in the bedroom.

804
00:42:00.519 --> 00:42:02.280
<v Speaker 2>I have to do alarms.

805
00:42:02.519 --> 00:42:08.760
<v Speaker 6>Yeah yeah, well she's got the alarm clock. Yeah well

806
00:42:08.760 --> 00:42:10.960
<v Speaker 6>it's one of the new school plays and sounds.

807
00:42:10.679 --> 00:42:12.639
<v Speaker 2>But still using an alarm.

808
00:42:12.920 --> 00:42:16.639
<v Speaker 6>It's honestly, it's sweet, like it'll play damn, I go,

809
00:42:16.719 --> 00:42:18.559
<v Speaker 6>don't want to do dude, it plays, It plays whatever

810
00:42:18.639 --> 00:42:21.400
<v Speaker 6>noise you want, rain, crashing waves, whatever. I love the

811
00:42:21.440 --> 00:42:23.559
<v Speaker 6>crashing waves, so do the light and then in the

812
00:42:23.559 --> 00:42:27.199
<v Speaker 6>morning Jenny wants one. The light slowly gets brighter as

813
00:42:27.239 --> 00:42:28.599
<v Speaker 6>you get closer to your alarm.

814
00:42:28.800 --> 00:42:32.320
<v Speaker 2>See, I might want to do that and stop using

815
00:42:32.360 --> 00:42:34.639
<v Speaker 2>the alarm on my phone because then I would like

816
00:42:34.760 --> 00:42:37.440
<v Speaker 2>to keep my phone out of the bedroom.

817
00:42:37.719 --> 00:42:40.039
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, she's gotten super serious about it, and she's like

818
00:42:40.320 --> 00:42:43.079
<v Speaker 6>then she gets on me about being on my phone

819
00:42:43.840 --> 00:42:44.559
<v Speaker 6>as we're winding.

820
00:42:44.719 --> 00:42:45.960
<v Speaker 3>I bet she sleeps better now.

821
00:42:46.039 --> 00:42:47.440
<v Speaker 2>She does for sure.

822
00:42:47.440 --> 00:42:51.840
<v Speaker 6>And she's into mouth taping and like sleep scores and stuff.

823
00:42:52.440 --> 00:42:55.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I sleep so much better when I read before

824
00:42:55.400 --> 00:42:57.639
<v Speaker 2>going to bed rather than like being on my phone.

825
00:42:57.800 --> 00:43:00.519
<v Speaker 3>I've noticed, and this is going to sound like sense,

826
00:43:00.719 --> 00:43:04.199
<v Speaker 3>but I have noticed when I stop having any sort

827
00:43:04.239 --> 00:43:07.519
<v Speaker 3>of like tea is fine, but like coffee after like

828
00:43:09.719 --> 00:43:13.000
<v Speaker 3>two o'clock at the latest, normal coffee, I sleep. I

829
00:43:13.000 --> 00:43:14.960
<v Speaker 3>can go to bed if I have coffee past you

830
00:43:15.000 --> 00:43:17.920
<v Speaker 3>know too, If I have coffee like three, four, five, whatever,

831
00:43:18.000 --> 00:43:21.840
<v Speaker 3>it's like I'm up all night my noon. And that's

832
00:43:21.880 --> 00:43:24.519
<v Speaker 3>common sense, right, but not really when when your your

833
00:43:24.559 --> 00:43:26.480
<v Speaker 3>schedule is not the same every day.

834
00:43:26.519 --> 00:43:30.719
<v Speaker 2>And see I've just been doing I've been like way different.

835
00:43:30.840 --> 00:43:35.360
<v Speaker 2>I cut off caffeine at like seven pm, but I'm

836
00:43:35.400 --> 00:43:39.599
<v Speaker 2>not drinking coffee or mons like soda. I'll drink like

837
00:43:39.840 --> 00:43:44.239
<v Speaker 2>a soda, but that's light maybe too, Like after work,

838
00:43:44.320 --> 00:43:48.800
<v Speaker 2>but it's usually just a soda, like a zero sugar soda.

839
00:43:48.920 --> 00:43:51.960
<v Speaker 2>And yeah, normally I would say I'm not really drinking

840
00:43:52.079 --> 00:43:55.719
<v Speaker 2>coffee past probably Yeah, you know what, I might have

841
00:43:55.800 --> 00:43:58.400
<v Speaker 2>a cup after lunch and that's it. Yeah, I go

842
00:43:58.519 --> 00:44:00.000
<v Speaker 2>to lunch, come back around one o'clock.

843
00:44:00.480 --> 00:44:04.119
<v Speaker 3>Helping me a lot like paying attention to that. But yeah, okay,

844
00:44:04.400 --> 00:44:07.400
<v Speaker 3>before we I wanted to say this real quick because

845
00:44:07.480 --> 00:44:10.840
<v Speaker 3>I was searching. I can't remember exactly what it was,

846
00:44:10.880 --> 00:44:13.079
<v Speaker 3>but in that thirty third episode, we talked about some

847
00:44:13.199 --> 00:44:15.599
<v Speaker 3>Buddhist symbolism. Maybe it wasn't thirty three gyms on the

848
00:44:15.880 --> 00:44:18.599
<v Speaker 3>gates of heaven, but apparently the number of deities and

849
00:44:18.639 --> 00:44:21.599
<v Speaker 3>the Vedic religion is thirty three. The second level of

850
00:44:21.639 --> 00:44:26.280
<v Speaker 3>heaven and Buddhism is named Trios Strimsa, meaning of the

851
00:44:26.320 --> 00:44:28.159
<v Speaker 3>thirty three gods. And I just wanted to say a

852
00:44:28.159 --> 00:44:30.000
<v Speaker 3>little spoiler for what I was going to get into

853
00:44:30.039 --> 00:44:35.719
<v Speaker 3>it a little bit. Was that the monk's name that

854
00:44:35.800 --> 00:44:39.079
<v Speaker 3>in the Journey to the West that he's helping is

855
00:44:39.119 --> 00:44:40.800
<v Speaker 3>also based on the guy of the real name. I

856
00:44:40.800 --> 00:44:41.840
<v Speaker 3>think it's like Juan Jing.

857
00:44:42.039 --> 00:44:45.119
<v Speaker 2>His name is hang On. I got it here, So

858
00:44:45.199 --> 00:44:46.519
<v Speaker 2>the real guy.

859
00:44:46.480 --> 00:44:49.159
<v Speaker 3>Jean Jane, Yes, but his name is that in the

860
00:44:49.199 --> 00:44:52.840
<v Speaker 3>story as well. Yeah, he's he's traveling to India because

861
00:44:52.840 --> 00:44:57.599
<v Speaker 3>his quest is to receive sacred scrolls. But see the

862
00:44:58.519 --> 00:45:02.960
<v Speaker 3>spiritual significance of that is because Buddhism originated in India.

863
00:45:02.719 --> 00:45:03.800
<v Speaker 2>And Indian you know exactly.

864
00:45:03.840 --> 00:45:08.119
<v Speaker 3>It's so cool, that's cool. And then the Vedic texts,

865
00:45:08.119 --> 00:45:11.119
<v Speaker 3>which is you know, Hindu, there's thirty three gods. So yeah,

866
00:45:11.320 --> 00:45:14.760
<v Speaker 3>talk about the thirty third you know floor. Isn't that crazy?

867
00:45:14.960 --> 00:45:18.239
<v Speaker 2>Like the whole thing where he's like he he eats

868
00:45:18.280 --> 00:45:21.840
<v Speaker 2>a bunch of food and drink, he gets drunk. He

869
00:45:22.000 --> 00:45:25.719
<v Speaker 2>wanders up to the thirty third floor where it's like

870
00:45:25.920 --> 00:45:29.800
<v Speaker 2>all unlocked and whatever. And up in the thirty third

871
00:45:29.840 --> 00:45:34.199
<v Speaker 2>floor is where like these gods and deities like they

872
00:45:34.519 --> 00:45:37.800
<v Speaker 2>they have their things up there, like there their belongings

873
00:45:37.880 --> 00:45:41.400
<v Speaker 2>up there. They're there while they're doing this banquet thing

874
00:45:41.519 --> 00:45:43.719
<v Speaker 2>or whatever. So while he's up there, he found he

875
00:45:43.760 --> 00:45:48.280
<v Speaker 2>finds Laos's pills of immortality. Laosi the god.

876
00:45:48.400 --> 00:45:50.960
<v Speaker 3>Do you know who was in history? No, it's the

877
00:45:51.000 --> 00:45:56.320
<v Speaker 3>founder and founder, the creator of Taoism. Oh, it was

878
00:45:56.360 --> 00:45:59.679
<v Speaker 3>a real person, loud see. And the book the Tao.

879
00:46:00.159 --> 00:46:01.119
<v Speaker 3>It's written by Louzy.

880
00:46:01.880 --> 00:46:02.079
<v Speaker 2>Well.

881
00:46:02.079 --> 00:46:03.679
<v Speaker 3>He got he was deified.

882
00:46:03.840 --> 00:46:06.159
<v Speaker 2>You know. He got pills up there, and if you

883
00:46:06.199 --> 00:46:08.199
<v Speaker 2>take him, you'll turn immortal.

884
00:46:07.800 --> 00:46:14.480
<v Speaker 3>When you buff your status forever. Gas pills, Bro, they

885
00:46:14.480 --> 00:46:18.599
<v Speaker 3>got them at the gas station. Bro, taking them, they

886
00:46:18.599 --> 00:46:19.039
<v Speaker 3>got them.

887
00:46:18.920 --> 00:46:21.679
<v Speaker 2>A different kind of immortality, Bro. They got.

888
00:46:24.320 --> 00:46:28.159
<v Speaker 3>And monkeys and all kinds of animal, different, different forms

889
00:46:28.159 --> 00:46:33.400
<v Speaker 3>of philosophy. Dude in black myth when you boost your stats, Uh,

890
00:46:33.559 --> 00:46:36.320
<v Speaker 3>their pills, Dallas pills.

891
00:46:37.199 --> 00:46:41.800
<v Speaker 2>That's awesome the vibe. Yeah yeah. And he also steals

892
00:46:42.119 --> 00:46:49.480
<v Speaker 2>she wung, moves peaches of immortality and takes all the wine,

893
00:46:50.079 --> 00:46:54.079
<v Speaker 2>all of it, takes it and escapes back to his

894
00:46:54.199 --> 00:46:56.280
<v Speaker 2>kingdom to get ready for open rebellion.

895
00:46:56.719 --> 00:46:59.440
<v Speaker 3>You're flasking. The game is a Gordon. You drink rice wine.

896
00:46:59.719 --> 00:47:03.159
<v Speaker 2>There is there is he liked to drink. He liked

897
00:47:03.159 --> 00:47:05.800
<v Speaker 2>to drink, which is a little Dionysian, a little you

898
00:47:05.800 --> 00:47:08.239
<v Speaker 2>know what I mean, A little baki and if you will,

899
00:47:09.280 --> 00:47:11.360
<v Speaker 2>so he takes all this ship, takes all the wine,

900
00:47:11.960 --> 00:47:15.719
<v Speaker 2>the pills. He's he's kind of a party animal.

901
00:47:16.880 --> 00:47:21.000
<v Speaker 3>I don't know. Wine feels different to me than everything else.

902
00:47:21.639 --> 00:47:23.760
<v Speaker 2>What do you like physically? It feels different.

903
00:47:23.840 --> 00:47:28.119
<v Speaker 6>Well, yes, but I just mean esoterically it feels and

904
00:47:28.239 --> 00:47:31.039
<v Speaker 6>I don't want to get into endorsing things and and.

905
00:47:31.039 --> 00:47:33.840
<v Speaker 2>No, it's different. It is different, like it is different.

906
00:47:34.400 --> 00:47:37.599
<v Speaker 2>It's it's definitely different. I mean like it was. It

907
00:47:37.679 --> 00:47:40.679
<v Speaker 2>was literally like the nectar of the gods in Greek

908
00:47:40.719 --> 00:47:44.480
<v Speaker 2>mythology and like it's think about it. Do Jesus for

909
00:47:44.519 --> 00:47:45.960
<v Speaker 2>a turn water to wine? Yeah?

910
00:47:45.960 --> 00:47:49.960
<v Speaker 3>Well, also like meat that's been around since not only

911
00:47:50.480 --> 00:47:53.480
<v Speaker 3>like Viking culture, they were making wine and it was there,

912
00:47:53.760 --> 00:47:56.360
<v Speaker 3>you know, sacred drink, and I think in Egypt they

913
00:47:56.400 --> 00:47:58.760
<v Speaker 3>might have made some drinks with wine. It's it's many

914
00:47:58.800 --> 00:48:00.000
<v Speaker 3>cultures had some sacred wine.

915
00:48:00.039 --> 00:48:02.760
<v Speaker 2>It'd be something interesting to look into, because it could

916
00:48:03.000 --> 00:48:06.119
<v Speaker 2>it could just be that like wines were the some

917
00:48:06.159 --> 00:48:10.159
<v Speaker 2>of the earliest forms of alcohol that were discovered, or

918
00:48:10.440 --> 00:48:13.440
<v Speaker 2>it could also be because there's some kind of significance

919
00:48:13.480 --> 00:48:14.679
<v Speaker 2>to it. It'd be cool to look into.

920
00:48:15.000 --> 00:48:18.119
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, well I know that me and Olivia went to

921
00:48:18.159 --> 00:48:21.599
<v Speaker 6>a wine class last year and learned that there's some

922
00:48:21.719 --> 00:48:25.559
<v Speaker 6>vineyards I think it was Spain that pay attention to

923
00:48:25.840 --> 00:48:29.360
<v Speaker 6>celestial bodies and where the stars are.

924
00:48:29.239 --> 00:48:31.000
<v Speaker 3>When they plant their vines.

925
00:48:31.559 --> 00:48:34.679
<v Speaker 6>Wow, and that has some sort of there's a there's

926
00:48:34.679 --> 00:48:37.679
<v Speaker 6>a fancy term for it, but they they literally do

927
00:48:38.000 --> 00:48:42.119
<v Speaker 6>star mapping and zodiacs and like all of this you know,

928
00:48:42.280 --> 00:48:46.519
<v Speaker 6>New Age stuff and kind of like infuse that energy

929
00:48:46.559 --> 00:48:50.519
<v Speaker 6>into their wine. Really interesting, which which is like it

930
00:48:50.599 --> 00:48:51.880
<v Speaker 6>all kind of you know.

931
00:48:52.239 --> 00:48:56.159
<v Speaker 3>But you know the thing though, is that like the

932
00:48:56.280 --> 00:49:00.920
<v Speaker 3>earlier part of Wukong's story shows him being uh, you

933
00:49:00.960 --> 00:49:05.639
<v Speaker 3>could say maybe not immature, but like monkey mind rebellious.

934
00:49:05.719 --> 00:49:08.920
<v Speaker 3>He's he's not he's not awakened yet, he's not enlightened yet,

935
00:49:08.960 --> 00:49:11.960
<v Speaker 3>till you know, it's the journey he's becoming awakened. He's

936
00:49:12.000 --> 00:49:15.440
<v Speaker 3>becoming enlightened. Yeah, he's brash and violent, and it's allegorical

937
00:49:15.599 --> 00:49:20.840
<v Speaker 3>of the the material desires of the flesh, the problems

938
00:49:20.840 --> 00:49:24.000
<v Speaker 3>of the ego, and earthly desires. So like maybe his

939
00:49:24.000 --> 00:49:26.239
<v Speaker 3>his great love for wine could be one of those

940
00:49:26.239 --> 00:49:27.960
<v Speaker 3>material desires that he's attached to.

941
00:49:28.119 --> 00:49:32.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and his ego. He's scrapping with gods, like he's

942
00:49:32.880 --> 00:49:35.239
<v Speaker 2>like fighting them all because of his pride and his

943
00:49:35.360 --> 00:49:37.920
<v Speaker 2>ego and like, yeah, he's going toe to toe with

944
00:49:38.039 --> 00:49:42.199
<v Speaker 2>like the strongest deities in existence just out of pride. Right,

945
00:49:42.280 --> 00:49:46.840
<v Speaker 2>He's very brash and ignorant and like cocky and yeah, yeah,

946
00:49:46.880 --> 00:49:51.760
<v Speaker 2>he's he's monkey minded, so okay. So he steals all

947
00:49:51.800 --> 00:49:54.559
<v Speaker 2>the pills and the peaches and the wine and all

948
00:49:54.599 --> 00:49:57.960
<v Speaker 2>of it, and bounces again and tells all of his

949
00:49:58.159 --> 00:50:01.480
<v Speaker 2>seven sages and his army of monkeys and their armies

950
00:50:01.519 --> 00:50:06.119
<v Speaker 2>and everybody, like, we gotta go fight everybody in heaven.

951
00:50:07.000 --> 00:50:12.400
<v Speaker 2>Every yeah, as he steals their wine and he runs out,

952
00:50:12.480 --> 00:50:14.760
<v Speaker 2>and he's like, all right, guys, I gotta I got

953
00:50:14.880 --> 00:50:17.400
<v Speaker 2>hella wan and stuff, but also we gotta go fight

954
00:50:17.480 --> 00:50:21.239
<v Speaker 2>God and like heaven, and so he does that. The

955
00:50:21.320 --> 00:50:27.039
<v Speaker 2>Jade Emperor sends one hundred thousand celestial warriors, twenty eight constellations,

956
00:50:27.599 --> 00:50:32.719
<v Speaker 2>the four Heavenly Kings, and more deities to capture Wu Kong.

957
00:50:33.920 --> 00:50:39.320
<v Speaker 2>Wu Kong single handedly defeats all of them, all of

958
00:50:39.360 --> 00:50:44.119
<v Speaker 2>them single handedly, and then the Jade Emperor's like, all right,

959
00:50:44.199 --> 00:50:50.000
<v Speaker 2>I got one more, my nephew, Erlong. Oh m hmmm, Erlong.

960
00:50:51.079 --> 00:50:52.920
<v Speaker 3>He's the first person you fight in the game.

961
00:50:52.840 --> 00:50:56.719
<v Speaker 2>And he is the first person that Sun Wukong ever

962
00:50:56.800 --> 00:51:00.920
<v Speaker 2>fought that matched his energy, matched his like.

963
00:51:01.000 --> 00:51:03.119
<v Speaker 3>Match his freak, He messed his freak.

964
00:51:03.840 --> 00:51:06.840
<v Speaker 2>He's the first person to ever miss his freak. Yeah,

965
00:51:07.039 --> 00:51:08.159
<v Speaker 2>Irlang Shin.

966
00:51:08.320 --> 00:51:12.079
<v Speaker 3>Yeah yeah, I remember when he came out, dude, So yeah,

967
00:51:12.119 --> 00:51:12.960
<v Speaker 3>he had he was broken.

968
00:51:13.039 --> 00:51:18.079
<v Speaker 2>He had to scrap Rlong and Irlong got him. Rlong

969
00:51:19.360 --> 00:51:25.280
<v Speaker 2>captured him and imprisoned him in Laoshe's eight trigram crucible

970
00:51:25.920 --> 00:51:28.960
<v Speaker 2>for forty nine days. The crucible is like a huge

971
00:51:28.960 --> 00:51:33.199
<v Speaker 2>cauldron with like the primordial flame in it, like the

972
00:51:33.239 --> 00:51:36.000
<v Speaker 2>original flame, the hottest flame in all of existence.

973
00:51:36.199 --> 00:51:37.880
<v Speaker 6>So what I'm getting at is like, you don't ever

974
00:51:37.920 --> 00:51:39.719
<v Speaker 6>get punished until you get defeated.

975
00:51:40.400 --> 00:51:44.519
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, yeah, that's pretty sick. Absolutely behind that, absolutely yeah.

976
00:51:45.199 --> 00:51:48.760
<v Speaker 2>He did not get he didn't get any punishment until

977
00:51:48.760 --> 00:51:52.880
<v Speaker 2>he finally got captured. They put him in this giant crucible,

978
00:51:53.320 --> 00:51:56.639
<v Speaker 2>this this cauldron for forty nine days to try to

979
00:51:56.719 --> 00:51:59.840
<v Speaker 2>melt him and turn him into an elixir of him

980
00:51:59.840 --> 00:52:03.519
<v Speaker 2>more vitality as punishment for eating all those pills and

981
00:52:03.559 --> 00:52:06.000
<v Speaker 2>taking all the peaches and all that stuff. They were

982
00:52:06.039 --> 00:52:08.639
<v Speaker 2>going to turn him into an elixir of immortal solid plan.

983
00:52:09.079 --> 00:52:12.559
<v Speaker 2>I know that solid plan didn't work because after forty

984
00:52:12.639 --> 00:52:15.719
<v Speaker 2>nine days they opened it up and he bust out

985
00:52:16.000 --> 00:52:17.920
<v Speaker 2>and the flames made him way stronger.

986
00:52:18.119 --> 00:52:20.480
<v Speaker 3>So and the go ahead, well part of The reason

987
00:52:20.519 --> 00:52:23.119
<v Speaker 3>he was able to survive the flames was because of

988
00:52:23.159 --> 00:52:27.920
<v Speaker 3>his teachings from Subhuti who taught him inner alchemy and chigong,

989
00:52:28.320 --> 00:52:33.880
<v Speaker 3>which these are real ancient Taoist practices of well, with

990
00:52:34.000 --> 00:52:38.039
<v Speaker 3>inner alchemy, it's what the pills are, the lousy pills.

991
00:52:38.079 --> 00:52:38.199
<v Speaker 4>You know.

992
00:52:38.480 --> 00:52:42.159
<v Speaker 3>Again, lousy created Tallism, and they had a form of

993
00:52:42.199 --> 00:52:44.719
<v Speaker 3>inner alchemy where they would make these mixtures and these

994
00:52:44.760 --> 00:52:47.000
<v Speaker 3>herbs and certain gems and would crush them up. They

995
00:52:47.000 --> 00:52:49.440
<v Speaker 3>would eat them because they believed it had properties to

996
00:52:49.639 --> 00:52:52.079
<v Speaker 3>like give you, you know, divine energies and stuff. But

997
00:52:52.119 --> 00:52:54.880
<v Speaker 3>then the chigong was breath work, so he learned breath

998
00:52:54.880 --> 00:52:57.840
<v Speaker 3>work and he was focusing on his and inner alchemy

999
00:52:57.920 --> 00:52:59.960
<v Speaker 3>is more than just eating mixtures too, it's also you know,

1000
00:53:00.159 --> 00:53:03.599
<v Speaker 3>meditation techniques and manipulating the subtle energy of the body.

1001
00:53:03.639 --> 00:53:07.480
<v Speaker 3>So they're telling you like he literally was meditating, practicing

1002
00:53:07.559 --> 00:53:10.599
<v Speaker 3>chigong and his breath work to survive this crucible in hell.

1003
00:53:10.760 --> 00:53:13.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and he survived. He survived, and not only that,

1004
00:53:14.079 --> 00:53:20.480
<v Speaker 2>he emerged way stronger, like like reinforced by that flame,

1005
00:53:20.599 --> 00:53:22.119
<v Speaker 2>that like primordial flame.

1006
00:53:22.159 --> 00:53:24.440
<v Speaker 3>It's almost like a parallel to Western alchemy.

1007
00:53:24.800 --> 00:53:28.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, for sure, it definitely is. And they also describe

1008
00:53:28.559 --> 00:53:32.320
<v Speaker 2>in the story that it didn't burn him and melt

1009
00:53:32.400 --> 00:53:39.880
<v Speaker 2>him because that flame cannot melt people or deities whose

1010
00:53:39.960 --> 00:53:45.079
<v Speaker 2>power rivaled Buddha himself. Wow, so like that's implying that

1011
00:53:45.800 --> 00:53:52.000
<v Speaker 2>already Wukong is like one of the supreme power level deities.

1012
00:53:52.079 --> 00:53:57.480
<v Speaker 2>Like he's just stupid, stupid strong, and it didn't melt him.

1013
00:53:57.519 --> 00:54:02.480
<v Speaker 2>He came out stronger, and then yeah, they open it up.

1014
00:54:02.519 --> 00:54:05.559
<v Speaker 2>He emerges stronger than before. He also emerges. This is

1015
00:54:05.559 --> 00:54:07.320
<v Speaker 2>really cool. I didn't know this. He emerges with the

1016
00:54:07.360 --> 00:54:11.679
<v Speaker 2>ability to like into it and recognize evil. He can

1017
00:54:11.760 --> 00:54:13.320
<v Speaker 2>see a person and see.

1018
00:54:13.559 --> 00:54:15.639
<v Speaker 3>When he's born, he has light beaming from his eyes.

1019
00:54:16.239 --> 00:54:18.880
<v Speaker 2>And you know what's crazy, Oh, it's because when he emerges,

1020
00:54:19.480 --> 00:54:22.719
<v Speaker 2>his eyes are fiery and his pupils are golden.

1021
00:54:23.159 --> 00:54:25.559
<v Speaker 3>Don't you remember when you were just watching me play Blackmiths.

1022
00:54:25.639 --> 00:54:28.320
<v Speaker 3>I was in the Pagoda realm in the third chapter

1023
00:54:28.559 --> 00:54:30.000
<v Speaker 3>and the eyes were flames.

1024
00:54:30.159 --> 00:54:32.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they were red like that, and the enemies were

1025
00:54:32.679 --> 00:54:35.400
<v Speaker 2>highlighted red. Uh huh. Yeah, he can like see their

1026
00:54:35.440 --> 00:54:40.440
<v Speaker 2>evil auras with his fiery eyes and golden pupils, which

1027
00:54:40.440 --> 00:54:45.760
<v Speaker 2>is awesome. He then destroys the crucible, makes his way

1028
00:54:45.800 --> 00:54:49.239
<v Speaker 2>to the to Heaven's main chamber and squares up with

1029
00:54:49.320 --> 00:54:53.800
<v Speaker 2>the Jade Emperor himself like god, like the primordial God,

1030
00:54:54.559 --> 00:55:00.960
<v Speaker 2>and Jade Emperor bitched out what he called Buddha, said, Buddha.

1031
00:55:00.679 --> 00:55:02.760
<v Speaker 3>That's what it was. Remember, I said, isn't there somebody

1032
00:55:02.800 --> 00:55:03.880
<v Speaker 3>above the Jade Buddha?

1033
00:55:03.920 --> 00:55:05.039
<v Speaker 2>It's the Buddha, yeahs Bodha.

1034
00:55:05.119 --> 00:55:07.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I knew there was one deity above.

1035
00:55:07.360 --> 00:55:11.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's like Buddha, Buddha, he's being bad and whatever.

1036
00:55:12.000 --> 00:55:18.079
<v Speaker 2>And then the Buddha basically is like tells Wukong pretty

1037
00:55:18.119 --> 00:55:22.280
<v Speaker 2>much like, hey, listen, man, you're honestly pretty dope. But

1038
00:55:23.159 --> 00:55:25.760
<v Speaker 2>also you're you're wiling right now, Like I'm gonna have

1039
00:55:25.840 --> 00:55:29.800
<v Speaker 2>to do something, so let's have a little test if

1040
00:55:29.800 --> 00:55:32.280
<v Speaker 2>you can escape the palm of my hand. What are

1041
00:55:32.280 --> 00:55:33.000
<v Speaker 2>you laughing at?

1042
00:55:33.039 --> 00:55:33.280
<v Speaker 3>Alan?

1043
00:55:33.599 --> 00:55:35.599
<v Speaker 7>It's like when you do something bad but your buddy's

1044
00:55:35.599 --> 00:55:40.840
<v Speaker 7>the manager. Yeah, right now, skip ity toilet. Yeah, I

1045
00:55:41.119 --> 00:55:43.559
<v Speaker 7>can't lose my job. I gotta do something here. But

1046
00:55:43.599 --> 00:55:44.719
<v Speaker 7>that was honestly pretty cool.

1047
00:55:44.800 --> 00:55:48.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, honestly, bro, you're sick as fuck right now,

1048
00:55:48.159 --> 00:55:51.079
<v Speaker 2>but we're gonna have to punish you. Somehow. So he's like,

1049
00:55:51.559 --> 00:55:53.239
<v Speaker 2>he puts him in the palm of his hand, and

1050
00:55:53.280 --> 00:55:55.320
<v Speaker 2>he says if he can, if you can escape the

1051
00:55:55.360 --> 00:55:58.480
<v Speaker 2>palm of my hand, then you're good. Otherwise you're gonna

1052
00:55:58.519 --> 00:56:03.079
<v Speaker 2>have like a long punishment. It basically, Wo Kong travels

1053
00:56:03.119 --> 00:56:04.840
<v Speaker 2>to the edge of the universe.

1054
00:56:05.480 --> 00:56:08.199
<v Speaker 3>And he shows up at the five pillars.

1055
00:56:07.800 --> 00:56:10.159
<v Speaker 2>The five pillars. He shows up at these five pillars.

1056
00:56:10.199 --> 00:56:10.880
<v Speaker 2>You know what he does.

1057
00:56:11.119 --> 00:56:12.639
<v Speaker 3>It's his fingers. He pees on one of them.

1058
00:56:12.800 --> 00:56:14.679
<v Speaker 2>He pisses on one of the pillars.

1059
00:56:15.039 --> 00:56:16.039
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you hear that.

1060
00:56:16.159 --> 00:56:18.320
<v Speaker 2>He gets to the edge of the universe, sees these.

1061
00:56:18.199 --> 00:56:19.960
<v Speaker 3>Five Buddha says, escape my palm.

1062
00:56:20.039 --> 00:56:22.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he sees the five pillars, he pisses. He he

1063
00:56:23.119 --> 00:56:25.360
<v Speaker 2>intuits in his mind, I'm at the edge of the universe.

1064
00:56:25.639 --> 00:56:29.559
<v Speaker 2>These five pillars must be like some primordial truth that

1065
00:56:29.679 --> 00:56:32.559
<v Speaker 2>exists in all realms. And he pees on one of them.

1066
00:56:32.599 --> 00:56:34.559
<v Speaker 2>He's like, fuck these people.

1067
00:56:34.679 --> 00:56:35.440
<v Speaker 3>I love this guy.

1068
00:56:35.800 --> 00:56:38.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he pisses on Is that one of his fingers, Yes, yes,

1069
00:56:39.679 --> 00:56:43.280
<v Speaker 2>the finger of one of the fingers, fingers the five pillars,

1070
00:56:43.559 --> 00:56:44.599
<v Speaker 2>or Buddha's finger.

1071
00:56:44.840 --> 00:56:47.280
<v Speaker 3>But but you get that right. The Buddha encompasses the

1072
00:56:47.320 --> 00:56:48.039
<v Speaker 3>whole universe.

1073
00:56:48.280 --> 00:56:49.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, you know, we'll see.

1074
00:56:49.719 --> 00:56:52.239
<v Speaker 3>That's not the part I really can The whole universe

1075
00:56:52.320 --> 00:56:54.840
<v Speaker 3>is in the palm of the Buddha. You got the

1076
00:56:54.880 --> 00:56:58.280
<v Speaker 3>whole world, palm.

1077
00:56:59.480 --> 00:57:06.440
<v Speaker 2>World. Piss on my fingies, piss on my fingis.

1078
00:57:06.400 --> 00:57:07.280
<v Speaker 3>That had to mix it up?

1079
00:57:07.599 --> 00:57:11.119
<v Speaker 2>Oh god? Yeah, he pisses on the finger and then

1080
00:57:11.360 --> 00:57:18.800
<v Speaker 2>Buddha is like, all right, you just piste on my finger. Uh,

1081
00:57:18.920 --> 00:57:23.760
<v Speaker 2>And he basically puts a mountain on top of Wukong

1082
00:57:24.000 --> 00:57:26.760
<v Speaker 2>and and locks him up there for five hundred years.

1083
00:57:27.199 --> 00:57:28.920
<v Speaker 3>It's what the Mountain of the Five Elements.

1084
00:57:29.360 --> 00:57:32.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, he locks him up there for five hundred years,

1085
00:57:33.440 --> 00:57:37.360
<v Speaker 2>and then you know that's that's like, that's the first

1086
00:57:37.400 --> 00:57:40.039
<v Speaker 2>like seven or eight chapters of Journey to the West.

1087
00:57:40.039 --> 00:57:43.760
<v Speaker 2>This is a one hundred chapter book.

1088
00:57:43.960 --> 00:57:45.599
<v Speaker 3>It's over a thousand pages. Dude.

1089
00:57:45.760 --> 00:57:47.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it is huge.

1090
00:57:47.440 --> 00:57:50.840
<v Speaker 3>I feel I feel drawn to reading this now after

1091
00:57:51.960 --> 00:57:54.239
<v Speaker 3>you just read it for me and I'm just watching

1092
00:57:54.239 --> 00:57:54.800
<v Speaker 3>it playing out.

1093
00:57:56.480 --> 00:57:57.280
<v Speaker 2>That's the beginning.

1094
00:57:57.400 --> 00:58:00.880
<v Speaker 3>That's the beginning. Yes, Then after five hundred years, here's where.

1095
00:58:00.760 --> 00:58:02.480
<v Speaker 2>I come in. That's not even the journey.

1096
00:58:02.920 --> 00:58:07.199
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's that's his origin. Then after the five hundred years,

1097
00:58:07.239 --> 00:58:10.679
<v Speaker 3>he's freed from the Mountain of the Five Elements, and

1098
00:58:10.719 --> 00:58:14.039
<v Speaker 3>then he's sentenced by the Buddha on a quest. You

1099
00:58:14.079 --> 00:58:17.119
<v Speaker 3>can no, No, it's Gwan Yin. Yeah, this this Uh,

1100
00:58:17.639 --> 00:58:21.280
<v Speaker 3>she's like a Taoist deity, like a celestial princess or

1101
00:58:21.440 --> 00:58:24.079
<v Speaker 3>empress or something, and she sends him on a quest.

1102
00:58:24.360 --> 00:58:28.400
<v Speaker 3>Helped this monk huang Xiang traveled to India and retrieved

1103
00:58:28.400 --> 00:58:32.320
<v Speaker 3>these sacred scrolls. And he has this magic circlet on

1104
00:58:32.440 --> 00:58:35.280
<v Speaker 3>his head that when the not the Emperor, the Monk

1105
00:58:35.679 --> 00:58:39.920
<v Speaker 3>xuang Xiang says a certain mantra, it restricts Wukong's head

1106
00:58:39.960 --> 00:58:42.760
<v Speaker 3>and gives him like headaches and like basically subdues him.

1107
00:58:42.960 --> 00:58:46.559
<v Speaker 3>And it's an allegory for subduing the monkey mind.

1108
00:58:47.119 --> 00:58:51.119
<v Speaker 6>Ah, because this to me sounds like archangel meets uh,

1109
00:58:51.519 --> 00:58:52.280
<v Speaker 6>what is his name?

1110
00:58:53.159 --> 00:58:55.000
<v Speaker 3>Harrison Bergeron? Who?

1111
00:58:55.199 --> 00:58:56.119
<v Speaker 2>Huh?

1112
00:58:56.280 --> 00:59:00.800
<v Speaker 3>Is that the right book? Harrison and Bergeron? Yeah, hang on,

1113
00:59:00.840 --> 00:59:02.400
<v Speaker 3>hang on, you're talking about the boy and the heron.

1114
00:59:02.480 --> 00:59:03.639
<v Speaker 3>I feel like y'all are talking.

1115
00:59:03.440 --> 00:59:05.519
<v Speaker 2>About that lumberjack guy that y'all were talking about in

1116
00:59:05.519 --> 00:59:08.280
<v Speaker 2>that one episode. Remember when we were talking about Paul

1117
00:59:08.320 --> 00:59:10.440
<v Speaker 2>Bunyan and y'all were saying some other name.

1118
00:59:10.519 --> 00:59:15.199
<v Speaker 4>Oh, John Henry yeah, man, Yeah, well I don't yeah, yeah, No,

1119
00:59:15.280 --> 00:59:16.960
<v Speaker 4>this is a book Harrison bergeron.

1120
00:59:17.079 --> 00:59:22.679
<v Speaker 6>This is a dystopian novel where they where everybody in

1121
00:59:22.719 --> 00:59:26.440
<v Speaker 6>this universe has to be equal.

1122
00:59:26.639 --> 00:59:28.199
<v Speaker 3>So they so if I've heard.

1123
00:59:28.079 --> 00:59:30.360
<v Speaker 6>Of that if you're super strong you have to wear

1124
00:59:30.480 --> 00:59:33.320
<v Speaker 6>weights to be equal to the weakest person.

1125
00:59:33.360 --> 00:59:34.199
<v Speaker 2>It was more like, and.

1126
00:59:34.119 --> 00:59:38.519
<v Speaker 3>They had these headsets that would give people headaches. But

1127
00:59:38.559 --> 00:59:39.760
<v Speaker 3>they're just getting like, if.

1128
00:59:39.639 --> 00:59:42.000
<v Speaker 6>You were too smart in the way you were too smart,

1129
00:59:42.039 --> 00:59:44.599
<v Speaker 6>you had one of these headsets on and that at

1130
00:59:44.719 --> 00:59:46.079
<v Speaker 6>random free nine times.

1131
00:59:51.960 --> 01:00:01.039
<v Speaker 3>Sorry, nine plus plus nine plus ten, you're stupid. Yeah.

1132
01:00:01.079 --> 01:00:04.119
<v Speaker 3>So so then the journey actually begins after five hundred years,

1133
01:00:04.320 --> 01:00:07.800
<v Speaker 3>and it's an allegory about him. You know, at first

1134
01:00:07.840 --> 01:00:11.159
<v Speaker 3>he was like this monkey mind, rebellious trickster figure, and

1135
01:00:11.199 --> 01:00:15.360
<v Speaker 3>then he helps this monk huang Xiang go get these

1136
01:00:15.400 --> 01:00:19.400
<v Speaker 3>sacred scrolls. Right, So on the journey they basically fight

1137
01:00:19.599 --> 01:00:23.239
<v Speaker 3>like tons of demons, I mean just tons of demons.

1138
01:00:23.280 --> 01:00:26.320
<v Speaker 3>And there's other characters too, did you see about them?

1139
01:00:26.360 --> 01:00:29.480
<v Speaker 3>So I wanted to talk about them, and Sandy Piggsy yep,

1140
01:00:30.679 --> 01:00:33.840
<v Speaker 3>another one. It's like the white dragon White dragon Horse.

1141
01:00:34.320 --> 01:00:36.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I forget the dragon Horse's name, and.

1142
01:00:36.960 --> 01:00:38.360
<v Speaker 3>They're all symbolic of other things.

1143
01:00:38.360 --> 01:00:43.239
<v Speaker 2>So they all like join the like bodyguard squad for Yeah,

1144
01:00:43.320 --> 01:00:45.440
<v Speaker 2>what's his name, Chuang Zanganang.

1145
01:00:45.519 --> 01:00:49.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and there's another translation for that too. But so again,

1146
01:00:50.119 --> 01:00:53.320
<v Speaker 3>the story of this monk xuang Xiang came from like

1147
01:00:53.400 --> 01:00:55.920
<v Speaker 3>this the five hundreds. Yeah, there's either the five or

1148
01:00:55.920 --> 01:00:58.599
<v Speaker 3>the six hundreds. I think it was the six hundreds. Yeah,

1149
01:00:58.679 --> 01:01:02.239
<v Speaker 3>seventh century monk and he he was real, he really

1150
01:01:02.280 --> 01:01:04.519
<v Speaker 3>made a pilgrimage to India and like if you study

1151
01:01:04.599 --> 01:01:07.840
<v Speaker 3>this ancient monk, he actually went to India, he got

1152
01:01:07.840 --> 01:01:09.800
<v Speaker 3>these scrolls, he came back to China and he found

1153
01:01:09.800 --> 01:01:14.239
<v Speaker 3>it like a pretty significant Buddhist institute, like a monastery.

1154
01:01:14.639 --> 01:01:16.760
<v Speaker 3>So the Journey to the West story is based on

1155
01:01:16.800 --> 01:01:20.880
<v Speaker 3>this real story, right, So he's helping Xuangxiang. But this

1156
01:01:20.960 --> 01:01:23.199
<v Speaker 3>is this is the actual journey to the West.

1157
01:01:23.400 --> 01:01:27.800
<v Speaker 2>Yes, okay, it's it's this this monk juan Xiang and

1158
01:01:27.840 --> 01:01:31.440
<v Speaker 2>he's leaving China to go. But it's based on what

1159
01:01:31.519 --> 01:01:34.840
<v Speaker 2>Buddha is Like there's going to be demons so protect

1160
01:01:34.960 --> 01:01:37.840
<v Speaker 2>so Wu Kong and all these other deities need to

1161
01:01:37.880 --> 01:01:39.760
<v Speaker 2>go with him to protect him on the way.

1162
01:01:39.960 --> 01:01:43.039
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, because there's these not great at geography. It just

1163
01:01:43.079 --> 01:01:43.760
<v Speaker 3>took me a little.

1164
01:01:44.880 --> 01:01:46.159
<v Speaker 2>We're making sure you're with us.

1165
01:01:46.360 --> 01:01:50.320
<v Speaker 3>So the the actual Journey to the West story is

1166
01:01:50.400 --> 01:01:54.199
<v Speaker 3>an allegory for the quest for spiritual enlightenment and immortality.

1167
01:01:54.239 --> 01:01:57.519
<v Speaker 3>And it's about integrating the mind, the body, the spirit,

1168
01:01:57.639 --> 01:02:00.719
<v Speaker 3>in the will to become a fully realized Buddha. It's

1169
01:02:00.719 --> 01:02:02.159
<v Speaker 3>about awakening of consciousness.

1170
01:02:02.199 --> 01:02:02.360
<v Speaker 2>Right.

1171
01:02:02.920 --> 01:02:04.679
<v Speaker 3>So you have all these different characters. You have the

1172
01:02:04.719 --> 01:02:09.880
<v Speaker 3>pig Pigsy, who symbolizes like your typical uh, you know, gluttony, greed,

1173
01:02:10.440 --> 01:02:13.800
<v Speaker 3>uh lust, all these like physical desires. You have uh,

1174
01:02:14.280 --> 01:02:17.400
<v Speaker 3>the human monk Juang Xiang, who symbolizes the heart, the

1175
01:02:17.480 --> 01:02:20.880
<v Speaker 3>human spirit, overcoming you know, grief and despair and all

1176
01:02:20.920 --> 01:02:24.320
<v Speaker 3>these different trials. You have Wu Kong, who symbolizes the mind,

1177
01:02:24.800 --> 01:02:28.599
<v Speaker 3>uh subduing the monkey mind, reaching enlightenment through meditation. You

1178
01:02:28.719 --> 01:02:33.599
<v Speaker 3>have the story of Uh getting Sandy, Sandy, Sandy, which

1179
01:02:33.599 --> 01:02:35.880
<v Speaker 3>one of Sandy's the ogre, the river ogre?

1180
01:02:35.960 --> 01:02:39.920
<v Speaker 2>Right? Was he an ogre? I think? So? I don't think,

1181
01:02:39.960 --> 01:02:44.519
<v Speaker 2>So hang on, let me see join you to the West, Sandy, Uh.

1182
01:02:44.559 --> 01:02:47.320
<v Speaker 2>And then what was the what was the dragon horse's name?

1183
01:02:50.159 --> 01:02:52.039
<v Speaker 3>I don't remember his name. I just saw the White Dragon.

1184
01:02:52.039 --> 01:02:56.760
<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, yeah, Sandy was like a sand ogre or yeah, yeah,

1185
01:02:56.800 --> 01:02:59.599
<v Speaker 2>shah Wing, a sand monster, a sand hulk.

1186
01:02:59.639 --> 01:03:02.960
<v Speaker 3>Represent since the physical body and its endurance. Unlike the

1187
01:03:03.000 --> 01:03:05.719
<v Speaker 3>other two disciples, he's not driven by passions or desires,

1188
01:03:05.760 --> 01:03:09.559
<v Speaker 3>but just strictly duty and loyalty. He's kind of like

1189
01:03:10.039 --> 01:03:16.880
<v Speaker 3>basically strong endurance, patience. He's common adversity, steady nature. He's

1190
01:03:16.960 --> 01:03:20.119
<v Speaker 3>like the ability to remain composed in the face of adversity. Ye,

1191
01:03:20.440 --> 01:03:27.119
<v Speaker 3>then you have Pigsy. He represents the flesh, the human desires, gluttony, laziness, lust,

1192
01:03:27.159 --> 01:03:32.159
<v Speaker 3>all of those base animalistic you know, things that suppress

1193
01:03:32.199 --> 01:03:36.000
<v Speaker 3>like the ego, you know, you know, And it's basically

1194
01:03:36.039 --> 01:03:39.199
<v Speaker 3>the warning against like indulging in these desires, the struggle

1195
01:03:39.239 --> 01:03:42.480
<v Speaker 3>for purity. Despite his flaws, he's still willing to like

1196
01:03:43.119 --> 01:03:45.519
<v Speaker 3>join the pilgrimagine, you know, help on the quest. But

1197
01:03:45.760 --> 01:03:47.960
<v Speaker 3>he's apparently again I haven't read the full story, but

1198
01:03:48.000 --> 01:03:52.480
<v Speaker 3>he's apparently constantly backsliding, and he's like overcoming his trials.

1199
01:03:52.519 --> 01:03:55.920
<v Speaker 3>He's backsliding into his base desires and then overcoming those trials.

1200
01:03:56.239 --> 01:03:58.840
<v Speaker 3>These characters are all symbolic of elements of us, right,

1201
01:03:59.400 --> 01:04:03.119
<v Speaker 3>and then you have have the seeking of sacred knowledge

1202
01:04:03.119 --> 01:04:06.920
<v Speaker 3>by taking the pilgrimage to India. That's allegorical, right. So

1203
01:04:07.159 --> 01:04:09.239
<v Speaker 3>they have all of these different things like the mind,

1204
01:04:09.280 --> 01:04:11.679
<v Speaker 3>the body, the spirit, the will, but then you have

1205
01:04:12.199 --> 01:04:15.639
<v Speaker 3>the actual quest for knowledge and immortality you know, yeah,

1206
01:04:15.679 --> 01:04:18.280
<v Speaker 3>which is symbolic of our earthly human experience.

1207
01:04:18.559 --> 01:04:22.679
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So they're having like their individual awakenings and individual

1208
01:04:23.000 --> 01:04:25.960
<v Speaker 2>journeys of enlightenment. But also the overarching thing is.

1209
01:04:26.039 --> 01:04:28.519
<v Speaker 3>It sounds like Wizard of Oz. Yeah, it does. Think

1210
01:04:28.559 --> 01:04:28.960
<v Speaker 3>of that too.

1211
01:04:29.079 --> 01:04:31.239
<v Speaker 2>Ah, good freaking point.

1212
01:04:31.360 --> 01:04:33.840
<v Speaker 3>I was literally when he was talking about damn something

1213
01:04:33.880 --> 01:04:35.679
<v Speaker 3>a minute ago, I was literally thinking, this is like

1214
01:04:35.719 --> 01:04:36.480
<v Speaker 3>Wizard of Oz.

1215
01:04:36.960 --> 01:04:40.239
<v Speaker 2>I was thinking, it's like one piece. They are literally

1216
01:04:40.599 --> 01:04:43.840
<v Speaker 2>journeying to the west blue.

1217
01:04:44.039 --> 01:04:45.360
<v Speaker 3>Really they're going west.

1218
01:04:45.920 --> 01:04:50.360
<v Speaker 2>I mean technically they're going east, but to end up

1219
01:04:50.639 --> 01:04:59.719
<v Speaker 2>at west of the red line. We yeah, uh yeah.

1220
01:05:01.320 --> 01:05:04.039
<v Speaker 3>So the cool thing also about this story is it

1221
01:05:04.159 --> 01:05:11.199
<v Speaker 3>is a syncretic blend of uh Taoism, Buddhism, and Confucianism.

1222
01:05:11.280 --> 01:05:12.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, were you ready to.

1223
01:05:12.039 --> 01:05:15.480
<v Speaker 3>Say something that was a good word syncretic or syncretistic,

1224
01:05:15.599 --> 01:05:19.159
<v Speaker 3>whichever one suits your fancy. But it's like it's a

1225
01:05:19.159 --> 01:05:21.440
<v Speaker 3>blend of all these different philosophies. You have these Buddhist

1226
01:05:21.480 --> 01:05:25.480
<v Speaker 3>monks have you have the Buddha, you know, Ami Taba

1227
01:05:25.519 --> 01:05:28.559
<v Speaker 3>and all of these different celestial beings of all these realms,

1228
01:05:28.559 --> 01:05:30.400
<v Speaker 3>and then you have Taoism. You have the kind of

1229
01:05:30.440 --> 01:05:33.079
<v Speaker 3>like mystical forests and the inner alchemy of Laosi and

1230
01:05:33.400 --> 01:05:36.679
<v Speaker 3>the pills and his teacher SABOUTI teaching him Taoist practices

1231
01:05:36.760 --> 01:05:39.440
<v Speaker 3>and martial arts and chigong, which is you know, that's

1232
01:05:39.480 --> 01:05:41.920
<v Speaker 3>tao And then you have all this bureaucracy of the

1233
01:05:41.920 --> 01:05:45.119
<v Speaker 3>gods of heavens and all these different realms, and it's Confucianism.

1234
01:05:45.119 --> 01:05:47.880
<v Speaker 3>So it's cool that like back then they took they

1235
01:05:47.880 --> 01:05:51.239
<v Speaker 3>weren't separate, they weren't distinct, you know, they were all

1236
01:05:51.280 --> 01:05:55.199
<v Speaker 3>these different systems that they kind of merged into one system.

1237
01:05:55.519 --> 01:05:57.440
<v Speaker 3>So it's really cool. You know, it's not like in

1238
01:05:57.480 --> 01:05:59.559
<v Speaker 3>the West where it's like, you know, everything there's these

1239
01:05:59.599 --> 01:06:01.639
<v Speaker 3>borders between belief systems.

1240
01:06:01.679 --> 01:06:04.760
<v Speaker 6>So it's just interesting with more shared well that eventually

1241
01:06:04.840 --> 01:06:07.960
<v Speaker 6>happened in the East, right, all of the all of

1242
01:06:08.000 --> 01:06:11.719
<v Speaker 6>the things that were once one kind of separated out

1243
01:06:11.760 --> 01:06:14.719
<v Speaker 6>into what you said, I don't know.

1244
01:06:14.800 --> 01:06:18.440
<v Speaker 2>It's true, but they still do. You can look at

1245
01:06:18.559 --> 01:06:22.840
<v Speaker 2>Daoist Buddhism, like Daoism they share hindu they share a lot,

1246
01:06:22.960 --> 01:06:24.559
<v Speaker 2>and they don't they're.

1247
01:06:24.320 --> 01:06:26.840
<v Speaker 3>Not I mean, you could climb the Christianity tree and

1248
01:06:27.039 --> 01:06:27.320
<v Speaker 3>see it.

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<v Speaker 2>But they're not like I feel like those cultures are

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01:06:31.599 --> 01:06:36.199
<v Speaker 2>not at odds and they don't necessarily negate one another

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01:06:36.239 --> 01:06:39.239
<v Speaker 2>in any way, whereas when you get into the tree

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01:06:39.239 --> 01:06:41.199
<v Speaker 2>of Christianity, it's all you know.

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<v Speaker 3>There's also Jainism and which are similar at least Jainism.

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01:06:46.159 --> 01:06:49.559
<v Speaker 3>It's like these are like offshoots of sex of Buddhism.

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<v Speaker 3>I could be completely wrong, but I'm pretty sure Jainism

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01:06:51.719 --> 01:06:54.400
<v Speaker 3>was like an offshoot of Buddhism. Buddhism is an offshoot

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01:06:54.400 --> 01:06:56.960
<v Speaker 3>of Hinduism. It comes from Hinduism, right, India.

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01:06:56.760 --> 01:06:59.840
<v Speaker 2>That's right. I mean, well, yeah, because the Buddha was

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01:06:59.880 --> 01:07:02.280
<v Speaker 2>like technically practicing Hindu Like.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I guess he was.

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01:07:04.239 --> 01:07:07.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So they share a lot. It's very different from

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01:07:07.920 --> 01:07:12.519
<v Speaker 2>Western religion, where it's much more like at odds.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm pretty sure you're correct. Jainism Ryan so after being

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01:07:17.000 --> 01:07:19.679
<v Speaker 3>born from a stone and realizing his mortal nature, he

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01:07:19.719 --> 01:07:23.599
<v Speaker 3>seeks out his Taoist master to learn the secrets of immortality.

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01:07:23.639 --> 01:07:26.719
<v Speaker 3>He became a disciple of the immortal Taoist sage Sabuti,

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01:07:26.719 --> 01:07:30.239
<v Speaker 3>who taught him various magical arts, including the seventy two transformations,

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01:07:30.440 --> 01:07:33.119
<v Speaker 3>which allowed Sun Wukong to shape shift into different forms.

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01:07:33.320 --> 01:07:35.840
<v Speaker 3>He learns how to ride clouds and other mystical skills.

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01:07:36.039 --> 01:07:39.960
<v Speaker 3>He practices in alchemy, which is a real ancient Chinese practice.

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01:07:39.960 --> 01:07:42.039
<v Speaker 3>I learned about this in college in my Eastern Religions

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01:07:42.039 --> 01:07:45.800
<v Speaker 3>class Chi Gong mastering his breath, controlling the flow of

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01:07:45.840 --> 01:07:48.960
<v Speaker 3>his energy, meditation. One of the ways that he seeks

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01:07:48.960 --> 01:07:52.920
<v Speaker 3>immortality is avoiding the cycle of reincarnation. He's trying to

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01:07:53.039 --> 01:07:58.119
<v Speaker 3>reach enlightenment. He's trying to stop. That's his first thought.

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01:07:58.159 --> 01:08:01.079
<v Speaker 3>He's like, because again, and when we start the story,

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01:08:01.119 --> 01:08:03.679
<v Speaker 3>he's just an ordinary monkey. I mean, he's he's different.

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01:08:03.880 --> 01:08:06.119
<v Speaker 3>He's born from a magical stone, but he's more or

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01:08:06.199 --> 01:08:08.639
<v Speaker 3>less like an ordinary monkey. And they're like, oh, yeah,

1280
01:08:08.639 --> 01:08:11.199
<v Speaker 3>you could be our king. If whoever braves this waterfall

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01:08:11.280 --> 01:08:13.000
<v Speaker 3>and finds the source of the stream it gets to

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01:08:13.000 --> 01:08:14.800
<v Speaker 3>the other side, they can be the king. So then

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01:08:14.840 --> 01:08:17.439
<v Speaker 3>he gets there and then like Nick says, you know,

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01:08:17.479 --> 01:08:19.640
<v Speaker 3>he lives like an ordinary monkey for a while, and

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01:08:19.680 --> 01:08:23.760
<v Speaker 3>then he gets bored because he realizes someday we're gonna die.

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01:08:24.279 --> 01:08:26.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and that his buddy died, right.

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01:08:26.960 --> 01:08:30.039
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So Wulkong's like, I don't want to die, right,

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01:08:30.079 --> 01:08:33.199
<v Speaker 3>And he's like, well, I want more. So he starts

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01:08:33.199 --> 01:08:35.720
<v Speaker 3>seeking immortality. His original quest is, you know, he's how

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01:08:35.720 --> 01:08:39.720
<v Speaker 3>can I seek immortality? So the first way he seeks

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01:08:39.720 --> 01:08:43.279
<v Speaker 3>immortality is maybe avoiding the cycle of reincarnation. So he starts,

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01:08:43.399 --> 01:08:45.760
<v Speaker 3>you know, training under the tallist Monk, and then it's

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01:08:45.800 --> 01:08:47.319
<v Speaker 3>the peach Guard and all the other stuff we already

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01:08:47.359 --> 01:08:50.159
<v Speaker 3>talked about, the pills of lousy, striking his name from

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01:08:50.199 --> 01:08:53.319
<v Speaker 3>the Book of Life and Death. Yeah, and I want

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01:08:53.319 --> 01:08:58.439
<v Speaker 3>to say, oh, he goes to the underworld, he descends,

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01:08:58.439 --> 01:09:01.000
<v Speaker 3>he finds the ledger kept by King, which is where

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01:09:01.039 --> 01:09:04.119
<v Speaker 3>he strikes his name all of his monkey subjects, and

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01:09:04.159 --> 01:09:09.560
<v Speaker 3>then surviving, I think that's it. Surviving attempts at execution. Oh,

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01:09:09.560 --> 01:09:12.239
<v Speaker 3>the Lousi's eight trigram furnace, which was meant to refine

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01:09:12.279 --> 01:09:16.000
<v Speaker 3>him into an elixir. He comes out with his eyes golden, YadA, YadA, YadA.

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01:09:16.000 --> 01:09:18.399
<v Speaker 3>We already covered this stuff. He challenges the heavens and

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01:09:18.439 --> 01:09:21.000
<v Speaker 3>an act of rebellion. Then he's imprisoned by five hundred

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01:09:21.199 --> 01:09:24.199
<v Speaker 3>or four five hundred years. He comes out and as

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01:09:24.199 --> 01:09:26.760
<v Speaker 3>redemption from the body Saffo Gwan Yin, he faces many

1306
01:09:26.800 --> 01:09:31.760
<v Speaker 3>trials and defeats numerous demons, protecting the monk shuang Xiang

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01:09:31.920 --> 01:09:36.279
<v Speaker 3>on his journey to India to retrieve the sacred scrolls,

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01:09:36.439 --> 01:09:40.039
<v Speaker 3>starting out as a rebellious trickster entity or deity, to

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01:09:40.199 --> 01:09:44.079
<v Speaker 3>eventually reaching enlightenment and bestowed the title the Buddha Victorious

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01:09:44.079 --> 01:09:47.359
<v Speaker 3>and Strife, symbolizing he's conquered the impulses of his own

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01:09:47.399 --> 01:09:52.840
<v Speaker 3>mind and he has awakened to immortal consciousness. So I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>I guess, I guess that's.

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01:09:54.399 --> 01:09:57.800
<v Speaker 2>Like, that's the that's the story of Sun Wukong.

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01:09:57.880 --> 01:10:00.800
<v Speaker 3>It's insane, Like I didn't realize that it was actually

1315
01:10:00.840 --> 01:10:02.600
<v Speaker 3>I thought it was just a story.

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01:10:02.760 --> 01:10:04.399
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, yeah, I.

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01:10:04.359 --> 01:10:07.000
<v Speaker 3>Didn't realize like it was actually real spiritual allegory.

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01:10:07.199 --> 01:10:11.319
<v Speaker 2>There's all another there's another bit of media that has

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01:10:11.359 --> 01:10:13.359
<v Speaker 2>a lot of parallels to this story, and it's one

1320
01:10:13.359 --> 01:10:15.880
<v Speaker 2>that we both recently watched. Monkey Man.

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01:10:15.960 --> 01:10:17.720
<v Speaker 3>Monkey Man. Yeah, no, it does.

1322
01:10:17.720 --> 01:10:20.239
<v Speaker 2>It's about it, dude. He climbed to the penthouse.

1323
01:10:20.840 --> 01:10:21.439
<v Speaker 1>Yeah he did.

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01:10:21.520 --> 01:10:25.399
<v Speaker 2>And yeah, sorry, yeah, oh sorry, Alex hasn't finished it yet,

1325
01:10:25.720 --> 01:10:27.840
<v Speaker 2>but yeah, I won't say I won't say much more.

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01:10:28.000 --> 01:10:31.199
<v Speaker 2>He freaking climbed it. There's a ton of parallels. That

1327
01:10:31.279 --> 01:10:34.720
<v Speaker 2>movie is more focused on Hanuman, right, which is.

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01:10:34.720 --> 01:10:35.920
<v Speaker 3>I don't know much about Hanuman.

1329
01:10:36.159 --> 01:10:37.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's another monkey.

1330
01:10:37.840 --> 01:10:38.079
<v Speaker 1>God.

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01:10:38.439 --> 01:10:40.640
<v Speaker 2>I think there's probably a ton of parallels. I didn't

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01:10:40.680 --> 01:10:42.960
<v Speaker 2>look specifically into that, to be honest.

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<v Speaker 7>Creation and destruction, right, yeah, yeah, which I mean like

1334
01:10:47.279 --> 01:10:51.560
<v Speaker 7>could definitely represent Woukong, Like it's the Yin yang thing.

1335
01:10:51.640 --> 01:10:55.600
<v Speaker 2>It's the the ignorant impulse kind of version versus the

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01:10:55.720 --> 01:10:57.960
<v Speaker 2>enlightened version. It's it's I could see.

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01:10:58.039 --> 01:11:01.239
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that movie kind of shows that there was a

1338
01:11:01.319 --> 01:11:03.159
<v Speaker 3>couple things actually I didn't hit because I was like, dang,

1339
01:11:03.159 --> 01:11:04.479
<v Speaker 3>you know, you kind of hit the whole story here,

1340
01:11:04.479 --> 01:11:06.319
<v Speaker 3>and I don't want to rehash the whole thing. But

1341
01:11:06.479 --> 01:11:08.880
<v Speaker 3>what I didn't talk about yet was the White Dragon Horse.

1342
01:11:09.000 --> 01:11:13.399
<v Speaker 3>How he symbolizes willpower. He's transformed into a horse. He

1343
01:11:13.439 --> 01:11:16.000
<v Speaker 3>symbolizes the willpower and the strength needed to carry the

1344
01:11:16.000 --> 01:11:21.960
<v Speaker 3>burdens of life. He's Juan Jang Steed, and he represents determination, perseverance,

1345
01:11:22.199 --> 01:11:26.479
<v Speaker 3>you know, our need to fulfill the spiritual journey. Then

1346
01:11:26.520 --> 01:11:29.079
<v Speaker 3>you have like the symbolism of the demons and monsters,

1347
01:11:29.159 --> 01:11:33.000
<v Speaker 3>that's our internal and our external obstacles. Heaven and the

1348
01:11:33.079 --> 01:11:36.439
<v Speaker 3>Jade Emperor authority and order, because they saw in Confucian

1349
01:11:36.760 --> 01:11:40.079
<v Speaker 3>philosophy there's like an order to everything, you know, So

1350
01:11:40.439 --> 01:11:43.399
<v Speaker 3>the Jade Emperor it symbolizes like the cosmic order of

1351
01:11:43.439 --> 01:11:47.880
<v Speaker 3>the universe and divine authority, the bureaucratic nature of heaven.

1352
01:11:48.239 --> 01:11:51.039
<v Speaker 3>In the novel, obviously, the Journey to the West often

1353
01:11:51.039 --> 01:11:55.039
<v Speaker 3>mirrors the Confucian idea of order and hierarchy in society,

1354
01:11:55.399 --> 01:11:57.840
<v Speaker 3>and there's an imperfection in this authority. There's a flaw,

1355
01:11:57.880 --> 01:12:00.560
<v Speaker 3>there's a limitation of the rulers of heaven, you know

1356
01:12:00.680 --> 01:12:04.399
<v Speaker 3>classic Chinese thought which suggests that even divine authority is

1357
01:12:04.399 --> 01:12:09.000
<v Speaker 3>not infallible and that true enlightenment transcends earthly and even

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01:12:09.039 --> 01:12:11.560
<v Speaker 3>heavenly powers. So that's pretty cool. If we look at

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01:12:11.560 --> 01:12:14.079
<v Speaker 3>Wukong as an allegory for us, right the whole story,

1360
01:12:14.199 --> 01:12:17.720
<v Speaker 3>which he is, even we have the ability to become

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01:12:17.960 --> 01:12:21.520
<v Speaker 3>more enlightened than what we can even comprehend, even more

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01:12:21.520 --> 01:12:23.920
<v Speaker 3>than the powers that we can comprehend we have that

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01:12:23.920 --> 01:12:25.640
<v Speaker 3>that cosmic nature within us.

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01:12:25.800 --> 01:12:27.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, we can.

1365
01:12:27.000 --> 01:12:30.319
<v Speaker 3>Go higher than those those realms that we can even imagine.

1366
01:12:31.600 --> 01:12:35.720
<v Speaker 3>Buddha and guanyin combastion and ultimate wisdom, the Buddha represents

1367
01:12:35.840 --> 01:12:39.399
<v Speaker 3>ultimate truth and enlightenment. His intervention in some Wukong's rebellion

1368
01:12:39.640 --> 01:12:43.439
<v Speaker 3>and his guidance of Juan Jiang's journey symbolized the guiding

1369
01:12:43.479 --> 01:12:47.159
<v Speaker 3>force of divine wisdom and overcoming ignorance and achieving spiritual awakening.

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01:12:47.439 --> 01:12:50.359
<v Speaker 3>And then you have guan yin the body Satfa of compassion,

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01:12:50.439 --> 01:12:53.039
<v Speaker 3>which I think a body Saffa as a being that

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01:12:53.119 --> 01:12:56.159
<v Speaker 3>attains like Buddha hood, you know, becomes enlightened cool. So

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01:12:56.199 --> 01:13:01.800
<v Speaker 3>there's many body saffas r right. Her role in recruiting

1374
01:13:01.840 --> 01:13:04.800
<v Speaker 3>the disciples and protecting the pilgrim reflects the importance of

1375
01:13:04.840 --> 01:13:07.560
<v Speaker 3>compassion and mercy in the spiritual journey. And then I

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01:13:07.560 --> 01:13:10.359
<v Speaker 3>think the last couple of things, the symbolism the scriptures,

1377
01:13:10.399 --> 01:13:12.720
<v Speaker 3>the search of spiritual knowledge, which we already talked about

1378
01:13:12.760 --> 01:13:15.880
<v Speaker 3>that the completion of the spiritual path. They complete the journey,

1379
01:13:16.279 --> 01:13:19.800
<v Speaker 3>you know, it ends, and it shows that the spiritual

1380
01:13:19.840 --> 01:13:22.680
<v Speaker 3>journey ends, and it brings the enlightenment back to the world.

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01:13:23.399 --> 01:13:25.560
<v Speaker 3>It suggests that the purpose of spiritual wisdom is not

1382
01:13:25.600 --> 01:13:28.199
<v Speaker 3>only personal salvation, but also the enlightenment of others. Sharing

1383
01:13:28.199 --> 01:13:31.800
<v Speaker 3>the scrolls with others, and then the cycle of sansara

1384
01:13:32.000 --> 01:13:36.199
<v Speaker 3>and constantly referencing people's past lives and their reincarnations that

1385
01:13:36.239 --> 01:13:42.159
<v Speaker 3>reflect the obvious Buddhist concept of samsara, the cycle of death, life, birth, rebirth,

1386
01:13:42.560 --> 01:13:44.840
<v Speaker 3>And it's the break free of this cycle. It's the

1387
01:13:44.840 --> 01:13:47.199
<v Speaker 3>symbolism of breaking free from this cycle, you know. So

1388
01:13:47.279 --> 01:13:51.159
<v Speaker 3>it's like again his first thought of how to achieve immortality, Well,

1389
01:13:51.199 --> 01:13:54.119
<v Speaker 3>maybe I would think to break free from the cycle

1390
01:13:54.159 --> 01:13:58.000
<v Speaker 3>of reincarnation. I don't know. That also sounds like gnosticism. Yeah,

1391
01:13:58.039 --> 01:13:59.840
<v Speaker 3>you know, it's like, once you achieve nosis, you don't

1392
01:13:59.840 --> 01:14:01.079
<v Speaker 3>have to come back here anymore.

1393
01:14:01.159 --> 01:14:03.479
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly know, that is the end of the cycle

1394
01:14:03.720 --> 01:14:06.159
<v Speaker 2>according to narcissism, according to a few.

1395
01:14:06.479 --> 01:14:08.800
<v Speaker 3>Really right, like what the Egyptians say, once your heart

1396
01:14:08.880 --> 01:14:10.800
<v Speaker 3>is a you know, as light as a feather, you

1397
01:14:10.840 --> 01:14:13.720
<v Speaker 3>don't have to reincarnate anymore. So yeah, that's pretty cool.

1398
01:14:14.359 --> 01:14:19.279
<v Speaker 3>And then yeah, that's basically the symbolism. What dude, I'm

1399
01:14:19.279 --> 01:14:21.199
<v Speaker 3>telling you, Man, this blew my mind because I've I've

1400
01:14:21.239 --> 01:14:23.640
<v Speaker 3>been aware of Wukong my whole life, but never looked

1401
01:14:23.640 --> 01:14:24.720
<v Speaker 3>at it through this lens.

1402
01:14:24.880 --> 01:14:25.560
<v Speaker 2>It is deep.

1403
01:14:25.600 --> 01:14:28.000
<v Speaker 3>I've looked at it through like media entertainment lens.

1404
01:14:28.800 --> 01:14:32.600
<v Speaker 2>So it is one of my very favorite mythologies.

1405
01:14:32.920 --> 01:14:35.560
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think it makes playing the game that much better. Yeah,

1406
01:14:35.600 --> 01:14:38.560
<v Speaker 3>when you know some of this stuff, like when you

1407
01:14:38.600 --> 01:14:40.239
<v Speaker 3>start out as the Peach in the beginning, I didn't

1408
01:14:40.239 --> 01:14:42.680
<v Speaker 3>even have a thought about that, and then you know,

1409
01:14:42.720 --> 01:14:45.159
<v Speaker 3>seeing it through this lens, I'm like, oh my god. Yeah,

1410
01:14:45.199 --> 01:14:48.920
<v Speaker 3>Like I want to replay the game after knowing a

1411
01:14:48.920 --> 01:14:50.880
<v Speaker 3>lot more of this stuff and like really look and

1412
01:14:51.199 --> 01:14:52.359
<v Speaker 3>be like how much of this you know?

1413
01:14:52.399 --> 01:14:54.439
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Like one of the first things that I saw

1414
01:14:54.479 --> 01:14:57.239
<v Speaker 2>because I was watching you play it and when you

1415
01:14:57.319 --> 01:15:00.840
<v Speaker 2>like respawd, there was a you rep spawned from a

1416
01:15:00.840 --> 01:15:04.640
<v Speaker 2>little hair. Or another thing was when you summoned clones

1417
01:15:04.680 --> 01:15:07.680
<v Speaker 2>of yourself, he would like pluck hairs off of himself

1418
01:15:07.720 --> 01:15:10.439
<v Speaker 2>and the hairs would become his clones. Because then your

1419
01:15:10.479 --> 01:15:14.279
<v Speaker 2>staff too. Yeah, because in the myth it says that

1420
01:15:14.319 --> 01:15:17.920
<v Speaker 2>son Wukong has eighty four thousand hairs all over his body,

1421
01:15:17.960 --> 01:15:21.039
<v Speaker 2>and each of them he can pluck them and transform

1422
01:15:21.079 --> 01:15:24.560
<v Speaker 2>them into anything. Like he can transform himself into anything.

1423
01:15:24.920 --> 01:15:27.880
<v Speaker 2>He's just like taking a little bit piece of himself

1424
01:15:28.000 --> 01:15:30.079
<v Speaker 2>and transforming it into whatever he wants.

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01:15:30.239 --> 01:15:33.279
<v Speaker 3>That just reminded me of something that the number seventy

1426
01:15:33.359 --> 01:15:37.000
<v Speaker 3>two was kind of symbolic in The Journey to the

1427
01:15:37.000 --> 01:15:41.439
<v Speaker 3>West because in an ancient philosophical way of thinking, like

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01:15:41.520 --> 01:15:44.239
<v Speaker 3>Wukong has seventy two transformations. Well, what he's getting at

1429
01:15:44.319 --> 01:15:47.600
<v Speaker 3>is it's limitless. Basically, it's such a big number, infinite. Yeah,

1430
01:15:47.600 --> 01:15:50.159
<v Speaker 3>I mean he can transform into anything. Yeah, you know,

1431
01:15:50.239 --> 01:15:52.479
<v Speaker 3>to us, maybe seventy two is a small number, but.

1432
01:15:52.600 --> 01:15:54.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's like in the Bible when it says seven

1433
01:15:54.680 --> 01:15:59.319
<v Speaker 2>times seventy exactly, it's like a huge number. It's exaggeration, yeah,

1434
01:15:59.359 --> 01:16:03.159
<v Speaker 2>but in real reality it really means infinite. Yeah, you know,

1435
01:16:03.520 --> 01:16:06.359
<v Speaker 2>because it describes in the novel in Journey to the West,

1436
01:16:06.439 --> 01:16:10.800
<v Speaker 2>like he can take the form of any any object

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01:16:11.000 --> 01:16:12.359
<v Speaker 2>or being in existence.

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01:16:12.479 --> 01:16:15.159
<v Speaker 3>Dude, he's in the eight trigrams of Laotzi's hell, yes,

1439
01:16:15.279 --> 01:16:17.439
<v Speaker 3>or something like that. Maybe it's not a cauldron, yeah,

1440
01:16:17.479 --> 01:16:20.159
<v Speaker 3>the cauldron, yeah, the crucible eight tragram palm.

1441
01:16:20.479 --> 01:16:22.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I thought the same thing.

1442
01:16:22.560 --> 01:16:23.199
<v Speaker 3>I saw that today.

1443
01:16:23.199 --> 01:16:25.800
<v Speaker 2>I was like, Okay, all of Neggie's moves are eight

1444
01:16:25.880 --> 01:16:27.199
<v Speaker 2>trigrams something.

1445
01:16:26.960 --> 01:16:28.359
<v Speaker 3>Isn't it a yin yang in the middle of it?

1446
01:16:28.439 --> 01:16:29.399
<v Speaker 3>Or am tripping.

1447
01:16:29.199 --> 01:16:31.720
<v Speaker 2>Something like that? It might actually be a yin yang.

1448
01:16:32.439 --> 01:16:36.800
<v Speaker 2>It's it's something like that. But but yes, yes, eight trigrams.

1449
01:16:37.039 --> 01:16:38.680
<v Speaker 2>I thought the exact same thing, Bro.

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01:16:38.920 --> 01:16:41.079
<v Speaker 3>Eight trigram palm. I want to see if that's it's

1451
01:16:41.079 --> 01:16:43.600
<v Speaker 3>been many years since I've seen that. Yeah, since I've

1452
01:16:43.640 --> 01:16:47.680
<v Speaker 3>seen that technique even. Yeah, it's a yin yang in

1453
01:16:47.720 --> 01:16:52.199
<v Speaker 3>the center. So they're showing you Misashi Kishimoto. He's sewing

1454
01:16:52.239 --> 01:16:55.119
<v Speaker 3>you Chinese philosophy. So eight tragram Bro, it's literally a

1455
01:16:55.159 --> 01:16:58.439
<v Speaker 3>reference to Laosi in the eight trigram cauldron.

1456
01:16:58.520 --> 01:17:01.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's all there's there's more like Journey to the

1457
01:17:01.880 --> 01:17:08.159
<v Speaker 2>West references than I realized. Sorrow toob with his staff. Yeah,

1458
01:17:08.600 --> 01:17:11.479
<v Speaker 2>that turns into a monkey, a king, any.

1459
01:17:11.279 --> 01:17:12.920
<v Speaker 3>Named whatever that means.

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01:17:12.960 --> 01:17:16.159
<v Speaker 2>I wonder what I think that means monkey. Maybe I

1461
01:17:16.159 --> 01:17:17.760
<v Speaker 2>don't know. I could be completely wrong. I don't know.

1462
01:17:17.840 --> 01:17:22.359
<v Speaker 3>Japanese, well, I just had a little spoiler. Oh and

1463
01:17:22.439 --> 01:17:25.880
<v Speaker 3>Japanese mythology, Emma is the king of Buddhist hell, the

1464
01:17:26.000 --> 01:17:28.680
<v Speaker 3>judge of the after Oh, he judge is right and

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01:17:28.680 --> 01:17:30.319
<v Speaker 3>wrong after a person dies and goes to hell and

1466
01:17:30.439 --> 01:17:34.119
<v Speaker 3>you get many different types of punishment. That's it's the

1467
01:17:34.199 --> 01:17:35.319
<v Speaker 3>Japanese Lord of Death.

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01:17:35.560 --> 01:17:38.399
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. You just look around and you'll see so many

1469
01:17:38.439 --> 01:17:41.039
<v Speaker 2>things influenced by Journey to the West that you may

1470
01:17:41.079 --> 01:17:41.840
<v Speaker 2>not have ever known.

1471
01:17:42.239 --> 01:17:44.840
<v Speaker 3>He's derived from the Hindu god of the underworld, Yama,

1472
01:17:44.880 --> 01:17:48.439
<v Speaker 3>which Yama is the name in the story of Sun Wukong.

1473
01:17:48.600 --> 01:17:48.920
<v Speaker 2>Remember.

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01:17:50.079 --> 01:17:52.640
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, wow, dude, it's like the more you see

1475
01:17:52.640 --> 01:17:56.880
<v Speaker 3>these connections, it's like, uh, I don't know, man.

1476
01:17:57.439 --> 01:18:03.399
<v Speaker 2>It really inspired and is still inspiring so much, thousands

1477
01:18:03.399 --> 01:18:06.840
<v Speaker 2>of years after being written, thousands and thousands of years

1478
01:18:06.840 --> 01:18:09.439
<v Speaker 2>after being written, it's still inspiring the stuff that we're

1479
01:18:09.479 --> 01:18:12.319
<v Speaker 2>watching and playing, and it's just it's really cool.

1480
01:18:13.279 --> 01:18:13.479
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

1481
01:18:13.520 --> 01:18:14.920
<v Speaker 6>I thought you guys were gonna sit here and talk

1482
01:18:14.960 --> 01:18:18.159
<v Speaker 6>about a video game. And I've thoroughly enjoyed this episode.

1483
01:18:18.439 --> 01:18:20.920
<v Speaker 2>No, that was that was just one little piece of it,

1484
01:18:20.960 --> 01:18:24.119
<v Speaker 2>because no, I was just I just didn't I didn't

1485
01:18:24.159 --> 01:18:26.600
<v Speaker 2>know anything about this when you were talking about I

1486
01:18:26.720 --> 01:18:27.560
<v Speaker 2>never heard about this.

1487
01:18:28.000 --> 01:18:28.960
<v Speaker 3>I enjoyed this guy.

1488
01:18:29.319 --> 01:18:31.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's the coolest man. He's like sounds like it.

1489
01:18:32.000 --> 01:18:33.239
<v Speaker 2>He's like the og, Like.

1490
01:18:33.399 --> 01:18:35.279
<v Speaker 3>Just be careful when you go pe and on pillars.

1491
01:18:35.399 --> 01:18:39.399
<v Speaker 3>I'm saying, yeah, p and PVC pipes.

1492
01:18:41.079 --> 01:18:45.760
<v Speaker 6>Or anything that resembles a pillar, right right, dude, I

1493
01:18:45.800 --> 01:18:46.600
<v Speaker 6>can're everywhere.

1494
01:18:46.600 --> 01:18:51.560
<v Speaker 3>You gotta watch shout. I can't find the official title

1495
01:18:51.680 --> 01:18:55.039
<v Speaker 3>of this figure, but there's like a spokesperson for the

1496
01:18:55.119 --> 01:18:57.920
<v Speaker 3>Chinese government. I can't remember where her title was, but

1497
01:18:58.000 --> 01:18:59.239
<v Speaker 3>I saw the video and.

1498
01:18:59.199 --> 01:19:01.039
<v Speaker 2>It's real, dude, the Great Sage.

1499
01:19:02.199 --> 01:19:03.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Gwan Yin.

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01:19:03.199 --> 01:19:03.479
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

1501
01:19:03.520 --> 01:19:07.960
<v Speaker 3>But she was doing like a public press conference and

1502
01:19:09.720 --> 01:19:12.199
<v Speaker 3>she was just saying, I don't know much about video games,

1503
01:19:12.239 --> 01:19:14.960
<v Speaker 3>but this new game Black Myth that came out as

1504
01:19:14.960 --> 01:19:19.279
<v Speaker 3>a testament to the the what was the word she used,

1505
01:19:19.319 --> 01:19:23.079
<v Speaker 3>It was like basically, it's a testament to the significance

1506
01:19:23.119 --> 01:19:26.359
<v Speaker 3>of Chinese culture. So, dude, like this game comes out

1507
01:19:26.680 --> 01:19:30.039
<v Speaker 3>and within days you literally have people in the Chinese

1508
01:19:30.039 --> 01:19:33.359
<v Speaker 3>government being like, I'm the Great Sage, Equald have Heaven.

1509
01:19:33.680 --> 01:19:35.960
<v Speaker 3>You know, our game is impacting. It's just cool, like

1510
01:19:36.560 --> 01:19:40.239
<v Speaker 3>the fact that they're giving an official press conference about

1511
01:19:40.279 --> 01:19:44.239
<v Speaker 3>this significant cultural achievement, you know, like, I don't know,

1512
01:19:44.319 --> 01:19:45.239
<v Speaker 3>it's it's crazy.

1513
01:19:45.439 --> 01:19:50.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's it should It cannot be understated how huge

1514
01:19:50.520 --> 01:19:52.880
<v Speaker 2>Journey to the West is. It's it's one of the

1515
01:19:53.079 --> 01:19:56.840
<v Speaker 2>very most famous mythologies of all time and one of

1516
01:19:56.840 --> 01:20:01.039
<v Speaker 2>the most impactful as we've covered today. Thank you for

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01:20:01.159 --> 01:20:02.199
<v Speaker 2>joining folks.

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01:20:02.520 --> 01:20:05.640
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'll have to find this this lady later, but yeah,

1519
01:20:05.640 --> 01:20:06.920
<v Speaker 3>I hope you guys enjoyed this one.

1520
01:20:07.159 --> 01:20:09.039
<v Speaker 2>I had a lot of fun. I still want to

1521
01:20:09.079 --> 01:20:11.800
<v Speaker 2>read it, that's my boy. Yes, I would too. I'd

1522
01:20:11.800 --> 01:20:14.479
<v Speaker 2>like to as well. There are actually a few versions,

1523
01:20:14.640 --> 01:20:17.840
<v Speaker 2>and many years ago I read like an even older

1524
01:20:17.920 --> 01:20:20.960
<v Speaker 2>version because in the sixteenth century it was transcribed into

1525
01:20:21.000 --> 01:20:24.760
<v Speaker 2>a full novel, one hundred chapter novel. But before then

1526
01:20:25.079 --> 01:20:28.760
<v Speaker 2>it was like a much, much shorter poem. It was

1527
01:20:28.760 --> 01:20:31.439
<v Speaker 2>like wow, And I read that version many years ago,

1528
01:20:31.720 --> 01:20:33.680
<v Speaker 2>before that it was passed down orally.

1529
01:20:33.920 --> 01:20:35.800
<v Speaker 3>Listen to how this reads, dude, this is just the

1530
01:20:35.920 --> 01:20:39.880
<v Speaker 3>very beginning. It's beautiful, Like I really want to read this.

1531
01:20:39.760 --> 01:20:41.720
<v Speaker 2>Man, I do too. I was thinking about going to

1532
01:20:41.800 --> 01:20:43.800
<v Speaker 2>the library and seeing if they have a copy.

1533
01:20:44.680 --> 01:20:47.439
<v Speaker 3>Well, from what I understand, it's in four different volumes,

1534
01:20:47.600 --> 01:20:49.840
<v Speaker 3>so you would like physical copy wise, or you could

1535
01:20:49.880 --> 01:20:51.800
<v Speaker 3>get like I saw today, you could get each of

1536
01:20:51.800 --> 01:20:54.039
<v Speaker 3>the four volumes for like three bucks apiece on Kendle,

1537
01:20:54.319 --> 01:20:56.520
<v Speaker 3>you know. But listen to this. Let me find the

1538
01:20:56.520 --> 01:21:00.399
<v Speaker 3>part where it talks about him being born. It talks

1539
01:21:00.439 --> 01:21:02.800
<v Speaker 3>about the creation of the universe and how it's like

1540
01:21:02.960 --> 01:21:08.319
<v Speaker 3>different thousand, multi thousand years cycles, twelve cycles of the

1541
01:21:08.359 --> 01:21:11.279
<v Speaker 3>cosmic cycle, and that's a pretty cool part. But I

1542
01:21:11.279 --> 01:21:13.880
<v Speaker 3>want to see, Oh, here goes. There was once a

1543
01:21:13.880 --> 01:21:15.920
<v Speaker 3>magic stone on top of the mountain, which was thirty

1544
01:21:15.920 --> 01:21:18.520
<v Speaker 3>six feet five inches high and twenty four feet round.

1545
01:21:18.760 --> 01:21:21.560
<v Speaker 3>It was thirty six feet inches high to correspond with

1546
01:21:21.600 --> 01:21:23.600
<v Speaker 3>the three hundred and sixty five degrees of the heavens,

1547
01:21:23.640 --> 01:21:25.600
<v Speaker 3>and twenty four feet round to match the twenty four

1548
01:21:25.640 --> 01:21:28.199
<v Speaker 3>divisions of the solar calendar. On top of it were

1549
01:21:28.279 --> 01:21:31.000
<v Speaker 3>nine apertures and eight holes for the nine palaces and

1550
01:21:31.079 --> 01:21:33.960
<v Speaker 3>eight trigrams. There were no trees around it to give shade,

1551
01:21:34.000 --> 01:21:36.920
<v Speaker 3>but magic fungus and orchids clung to its sides. Ever

1552
01:21:36.960 --> 01:21:39.479
<v Speaker 3>since creation began, it had been receiving the truth of heaven,

1553
01:21:39.520 --> 01:21:41.439
<v Speaker 3>the beauty of Earth, the essence of the Sun, and

1554
01:21:41.439 --> 01:21:43.600
<v Speaker 3>the splendor of the moon, and as it had been

1555
01:21:43.640 --> 01:21:46.199
<v Speaker 3>influenced by them for so long, it had miraculous powers.

1556
01:21:47.560 --> 01:21:50.279
<v Speaker 3>It developed a magic womb, which burst open one day

1557
01:21:50.560 --> 01:21:52.920
<v Speaker 3>to produce a stone egg about the size of a ball.

1558
01:21:53.199 --> 01:21:54.960
<v Speaker 3>When the wind blew on this egg, it turned into

1559
01:21:55.039 --> 01:21:58.920
<v Speaker 3>a stone monkey, complete with the five senses and four limbs.

1560
01:21:59.159 --> 01:22:01.279
<v Speaker 3>When the stone monk he had learned to crawl and walk,

1561
01:22:01.319 --> 01:22:03.520
<v Speaker 3>he bowed to each of the four quarters. As his

1562
01:22:03.600 --> 01:22:06.439
<v Speaker 3>eyes moved. Two beams of golden light shot towards the

1563
01:22:06.520 --> 01:22:12.000
<v Speaker 3>Pole Star Palace and startled the Supreme Heavenly Sage, the

1564
01:22:12.319 --> 01:22:15.479
<v Speaker 3>greatly compassionate Jade Emperor of the Asser Vault of Heaven,

1565
01:22:15.479 --> 01:22:18.000
<v Speaker 3>who was sitting surrounded by his immortal ministers on his

1566
01:22:18.119 --> 01:22:20.880
<v Speaker 3>throne in the Hall of Miraculous Mist in the golden

1567
01:22:20.920 --> 01:22:24.720
<v Speaker 3>gated Cloud Palace. When he saw the dazzling golden light,

1568
01:22:24.800 --> 01:22:29.680
<v Speaker 3>he ordered one thousand mile eye and wind accompanying ear

1569
01:22:30.039 --> 01:22:33.319
<v Speaker 3>to open the southern gate of Heaven and take a look.

1570
01:22:33.840 --> 01:22:36.119
<v Speaker 3>The two officers went out through the gate in obedience

1571
01:22:36.119 --> 01:22:38.479
<v Speaker 3>to the imperial command, and while one observed what was

1572
01:22:38.520 --> 01:22:41.199
<v Speaker 3>going on, the other list and carefully. Soon afterwards they

1573
01:22:41.279 --> 01:22:45.359
<v Speaker 3>reported back, in obedience to the imperial mandate. Your subjects

1574
01:22:45.359 --> 01:22:47.520
<v Speaker 3>observed and listened to the source of the golden light.

1575
01:22:47.880 --> 01:22:50.439
<v Speaker 3>We found that at the edge of the country of Aoli,

1576
01:22:51.039 --> 01:22:54.159
<v Speaker 3>which in ancient times they had different names for you know, countries,

1577
01:22:54.880 --> 01:22:57.760
<v Speaker 3>and some of them were just mythological. In the country

1578
01:22:57.760 --> 01:22:59.840
<v Speaker 3>of Aoli, which is east of the ocean, belonging to

1579
01:22:59.880 --> 01:23:02.800
<v Speaker 3>the eastern continent of Superior Body, there is an island

1580
01:23:02.840 --> 01:23:05.359
<v Speaker 3>called the Mountain of Flowers and Fruit. A magic stone

1581
01:23:05.399 --> 01:23:07.239
<v Speaker 3>on the top of this mountain produced a magic egg,

1582
01:23:07.279 --> 01:23:08.840
<v Speaker 3>and when the wind blew on this egg, it turned

1583
01:23:08.880 --> 01:23:11.600
<v Speaker 3>into a stone monkey, which bound to the east to

1584
01:23:11.680 --> 01:23:13.880
<v Speaker 3>each of the four quarters. When he moved his eyes,

1585
01:23:13.920 --> 01:23:16.359
<v Speaker 3>golden light shot towards the Pole Star palace. But now

1586
01:23:16.399 --> 01:23:18.840
<v Speaker 3>he is eating and drinking, and the golden light is

1587
01:23:18.880 --> 01:23:23.000
<v Speaker 3>gradually dying. And his benevolence and mercy, the Jade Emperor said,

1588
01:23:23.000 --> 01:23:25.119
<v Speaker 3>creatures down below are born of the essence of the

1589
01:23:25.159 --> 01:23:29.600
<v Speaker 3>heaven and earth. There is nothing remarkable about him. On

1590
01:23:29.680 --> 01:23:31.520
<v Speaker 3>his mountain, the monkey was soon able to run a

1591
01:23:31.600 --> 01:23:34.640
<v Speaker 3>jump feet from plants and trees, and then he goes

1592
01:23:34.640 --> 01:23:36.920
<v Speaker 3>on to be a normal monkey. But how beautiful was that?

1593
01:23:37.079 --> 01:23:38.039
<v Speaker 2>It's gorgeous.

1594
01:23:38.079 --> 01:23:40.199
<v Speaker 3>It was written hundreds and hundreds of years ago.

1595
01:23:40.319 --> 01:23:41.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it reads.

1596
01:23:41.399 --> 01:23:43.079
<v Speaker 3>So it reads like a modern novel.

1597
01:23:43.199 --> 01:23:46.399
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's actually interesting to read.

1598
01:23:46.520 --> 01:23:48.920
<v Speaker 3>It's not like some exactly, it's not like some boring

1599
01:23:49.119 --> 01:23:51.920
<v Speaker 3>you know, old mythological text that you have to bore through.

1600
01:23:51.960 --> 01:23:53.960
<v Speaker 3>But it's bro this is like an anime.

1601
01:23:54.119 --> 01:23:54.640
<v Speaker 2>It's awesome.

1602
01:23:54.720 --> 01:23:57.079
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's like reading like Lord of the Rings or something.

1603
01:23:57.199 --> 01:23:59.840
<v Speaker 2>Yes, it's an epic. Yeah, it feels like reading Lord

1604
01:23:59.840 --> 01:24:01.760
<v Speaker 2>of the Rings or fantasy novel.

1605
01:24:01.880 --> 01:24:02.920
<v Speaker 3>I definitely want to read it.

1606
01:24:03.000 --> 01:24:05.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Same, I want to check out. I still haven't

1607
01:24:05.039 --> 01:24:06.520
<v Speaker 2>been to the library here, so I want to go.

1608
01:24:06.640 --> 01:24:07.279
<v Speaker 3>It's pretty cool.

1609
01:24:07.279 --> 01:24:09.479
<v Speaker 2>It's you know, there's a couple I want to I

1610
01:24:09.520 --> 01:24:10.880
<v Speaker 2>want to go check it out and see if they

1611
01:24:10.880 --> 01:24:12.880
<v Speaker 2>have it. I'll check it out and read it.

1612
01:24:13.000 --> 01:24:14.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I've been to the one downtown. I have to

1613
01:24:14.760 --> 01:24:15.199
<v Speaker 3>check it out.

1614
01:24:15.359 --> 01:24:17.960
<v Speaker 2>I'll have to check it. Wow, dude, it's been a minute.

1615
01:24:18.039 --> 01:24:21.479
<v Speaker 3>It's been a minute. But I will actually have to

1616
01:24:21.560 --> 01:24:25.000
<v Speaker 3>check that one out. Yeah, it's cool. You guys feeling good?

1617
01:24:25.279 --> 01:24:26.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, dude.

1618
01:24:26.399 --> 01:24:28.399
<v Speaker 3>You ready to wrap up this journey to the West.

1619
01:24:29.119 --> 01:24:42.439
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, let's wrap it up all right? Bye yard, Bye Piggsy.

1620
01:24:40.600 --> 01:25:02.319
<v Speaker 1>Happened in the backyard. Piggy my favorite character, like smiring

1621
01:25:02.359 --> 01:25:03.159
<v Speaker 1>on the inside of it.

1622
01:25:05.840 --> 01:25:06.520
<v Speaker 2>No one knows that.

1623
01:25:10.239 --> 01:25:28.199
<v Speaker 5>Wow, let's come for I ever did sigh

1624
01:25:31.319 --> 01:25:32.039
<v Speaker 2>At happy
