Speaker 1: Thank you, ladies and gentlemen for checking out going deeper.
Speaker 1: I'm your host, Matt. I've got a great show planning
Speaker 1: for you tonight. You'll know my guest tonight from her
Speaker 1: appearances on such websites as Momsbang Teens dot com and
Speaker 1: MILP Psycho black dot com. You can find links to
Speaker 1: all of our social media in the episode description, and
Speaker 1: I want to recommend you check out her website, Sexy
Speaker 1: Karen xxx dot com and her only fans at Karen Fisher.
Speaker 1: Is that correct?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: There you go. Ladies and gentlemen join me and welcoming
Speaker 1: the curvacious. I don't like the term legend. Legend sounds
Speaker 1: like old, but ye, you are kind of a legend
Speaker 1: in this stet ladies and gentlemen, Karen.
Speaker 2: Fisher, than thank you.
Speaker 1: Hi, Karen. Could you take me through initially getting into
Speaker 1: the industry? When did you decide, like, oh, whether it
Speaker 1: was stripping or dancing camp, whatever it was, was there anything?
Speaker 1: What was your first step into the adult entertainment industry?
Speaker 2: So my first step actually was just as like a dancer,
Speaker 2: and I started like, I'm from Oregon, Oregon. You can
Speaker 2: dance when you're eighteen, So it's almost as soon as
Speaker 2: I was eighteen, I started working at a gentleman's club
Speaker 2: in Oregon. Yeah, so that was my first step, and
Speaker 2: I think, oh, sorry, go.
Speaker 1: Ahead, no no, no, no, please please please go ahead.
Speaker 2: I think I like, obviously I knew what it was,
Speaker 2: and it always kind of not always, but you know,
Speaker 2: it was the idea for a long time had like
Speaker 2: trigued me. And also I wanted to like be able
Speaker 2: to move out of my parents' house and not have
Speaker 2: to like you know, slave away at some minimum wage
Speaker 2: job and then also go to school. So that's kind
Speaker 2: of what like like drew me to stripping.
Speaker 1: So okay, let me ask you. Did you look uh
Speaker 1: the way you do now? Back then? Were you as
Speaker 1: a I don't what is the correct term busty? I
Speaker 1: don't want to say like Karen is one of the
Speaker 1: best busted chested women in all porn, uh, but what
Speaker 1: is Were you as busty back then?
Speaker 2: No? I was busty, but I mean, I you know,
Speaker 2: I had like more a totally different body type when
Speaker 2: I was younger. I was really good, but I did
Speaker 2: have you know, for my size, I had pretty good
Speaker 2: sized boobs, but not you know, as big as now
Speaker 2: did you.
Speaker 1: Obviously, dance always go through booms and busts. You know,
Speaker 1: there's some nights when you pay your rent for the
Speaker 1: next two months, or some nights when you end up
Speaker 1: paying the house and you go home with nothing.
Speaker 2: Right, So where I worked, like it was a first
Speaker 2: club to be on like the west side of town,
Speaker 2: so it was pretty good. Like I didn't work every
Speaker 2: single shift, so maybe like you know, Monday night, Tuesday
Speaker 2: nights might have really sucks, but at that time, like
Speaker 2: when I first started, it was really good. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: then I think like it kind of died out. Sure, yeah,
Speaker 2: you're right, But at first it was like the only
Speaker 2: one on that side of town, so it was like
Speaker 2: a huge deal. Yeah, so super so.
Speaker 1: You had like the only club on that side of
Speaker 1: the town though you're a you know, eighteen year old girl.
Speaker 1: That I mean, did you clean up right away or
Speaker 1: did you really have to like learn the ropes first?
Speaker 2: Honestly, I think I was just so like excited. This
Speaker 2: is like what I've always thought about like new girls
Speaker 2: is guys can kind of just like smell it on
Speaker 2: you and you're excited and you're not like jaded and like,
Speaker 2: but this you know, like you can get after doing
Speaker 2: it for a long time. So I did really well, yeah,
Speaker 2: like right off the bat. Actually, I feel like I
Speaker 2: made more money when I first started, just because I
Speaker 2: was so excited and like gung ho, you know to
Speaker 2: be doing.
Speaker 1: That. Yeah. Yeah, so you said you thought about it beforehand?
Speaker 1: Was that? I mean like like, like how young were
Speaker 1: you thinking about When was the first time like you
Speaker 1: knew this was a thing? I movie you Saul, Did
Speaker 1: you see strip teas and think that?
Speaker 2: No? Okay, no, I wasn't a movie. I think it
Speaker 2: just like maybe a girl that was like older than
Speaker 2: me in school like was doing it and I heard
Speaker 2: about it, and I just wondered, like what is that like?
Speaker 2: And like the idea of also, you know, being a kid,
Speaker 2: like not having like money to do with whatever you
Speaker 2: want to do it, like that was intriguing as well. Sure,
Speaker 2: And I think like my mom and I just didn't
Speaker 2: get along when I was a teenager. I was super
Speaker 2: rebellious one so I wanted to like move out, and
Speaker 2: I felt like this was like and then two means
Speaker 2: you know, but also I really liked doing things that
Speaker 2: like I wasn't supposed to do, so I think that
Speaker 2: was like part of it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think the next thing you got to do, though,
Speaker 1: is become like a full time Christian and denounce porn,
Speaker 1: and that'll be super rebellious of you, you know, reverse
Speaker 1: turning around. I always hate I always I understand people
Speaker 1: bad experiences, but I always hate when people come out
Speaker 1: and disparage an entire industry, you.
Speaker 2: Know, yeah, I mean I don't think there's like whatever
Speaker 2: I do you find religion or what that is, what
Speaker 2: it is, but like just to trash it, and yeah, trash.
Speaker 1: It for all people. Like you can trash your own experience.
Speaker 1: You lived it. You know, you're more than welcomed if
Speaker 1: someone treat it you wrong or whatever, You're more than
Speaker 1: welcome to do that. But when someone comes out and Karen,
Speaker 1: you should not be doing porn, let me explain to
Speaker 1: you why it is so detrimental. You could be working
Speaker 1: in an office eight hours a day, Why wouldn't you
Speaker 1: want to just go do that and making one third
Speaker 1: of what you mean? It's crazy to me, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I feel like different things in power, like
Speaker 2: different people. Like when I was younger, I had jobs,
Speaker 2: like God, I worked and worked at a daycare center.
Speaker 2: I worked. What else did I do? I don't know,
Speaker 2: but like to me, to me, that was like so
Speaker 2: much worse, just you know, making very little money. I remember,
Speaker 2: like god, maybe making two hundred dollars a week and
Speaker 2: make grand that I was like part time, but it
Speaker 2: was and it was just like gross, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. And I don't know, I had just hated it.
Speaker 2: I hated it. I would to me, that is like
Speaker 2: so much more like exploited. In my opinion, then that's
Speaker 2: how I felt. Then I'm you know, stripping.
Speaker 1: Sure, sure, I you know, I think there's a lot
Speaker 1: of guys listening to this right now coming to the
Speaker 1: realization like, oh shit, I am being exploited. Like I'm
Speaker 1: in there and I make X amount of money for
Speaker 1: my company every day and I come home with this
Speaker 1: percentage of that, a very very very tiny percentage of it.
Speaker 1: Whereas with you if you go out and you dance,
Speaker 1: or if you produce your own I mean, you have
Speaker 1: gatekeepers obviously taking a little bit, but you can determine
Speaker 1: how much money you want to make if you go
Speaker 1: next week You're like I want to go on some
Speaker 1: sick vacation. I need to bank up this much money.
Speaker 1: You have the opportunity to go out and book those
Speaker 1: scenes and do that. And that's what's so what I
Speaker 1: find so cool about this industry is it's almost like
Speaker 1: an English class Like it's not math in terms, and
Speaker 1: it's not science. There's no hard answer to it. But
Speaker 1: what's interesting is Karen Fisher can do anything she wants.
Speaker 1: If you want to do like some weird punk rock
Speaker 1: scene or your hairs and spikes and whatever. I understand
Speaker 1: you don't, but if you did want to, someone would
Speaker 1: buy it. Someone would definitely want to see that and
Speaker 1: pay money. That's like, gotta feel so empowering to you
Speaker 1: that people go like Karen Fisher and her body, Oh
Speaker 1: my god, I will do anything for it.
Speaker 2: Is it?
Speaker 1: Like do you ever get overwhelmed by that? Or have
Speaker 1: you ever?
Speaker 2: I never think about it, like, to be honest, I
Speaker 2: don't like think, oh, these and men like whatever. I
Speaker 2: never think about that. But it's I mean, obviously I
Speaker 2: know like some people like because they tell you, but
Speaker 2: in general, it's not something I think about, but it is,
Speaker 2: you know, it's much better to them, like having no
Speaker 2: attention at all, like having nobody you know, nobody, I mean,
Speaker 2: you know, to some degree. I do like attention, although
Speaker 2: like if it's too much, I get overwhelmed. So it
Speaker 2: is like cool, but it's not something I spent like
Speaker 2: a ton of time like thinking about, because it's kind
Speaker 2: of like a weird thing to think about, if you
Speaker 2: know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't even just when I put an episode
Speaker 1: out and I get a call, Okay, great episode, really
Speaker 1: like that question. It's such a like a great feeling
Speaker 1: to me. But I can't imagine if every time I
Speaker 1: clicked refresh, if I had like ten thousand mentioned like,
Speaker 1: I don't know how I would handle that. So it's
Speaker 1: funny you and I both hate office work and think
Speaker 1: we're being exploited and everything else. But did you realize
Speaker 1: how much work would go into twenty twenty four porn
Speaker 1: in terms of social media? And maybe you have a
Speaker 1: manager that's totally fair, but social media promotion over here,
Speaker 1: reddit or whatever. Did you realize how much work actually
Speaker 1: goes into this industry that most people look at and
Speaker 1: be like, oh, that's easy stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, people think it's easy. I mean it's not. It's work.
Speaker 2: It's effort. It's not like it's rocket science or.
Speaker 1: You're not working in a coal mine, right, like exactly, No.
Speaker 2: I'm not so it's not like that, but it is
Speaker 2: quite a bit of effort. Like every day I'm doing
Speaker 2: something and you know, just about in your right, I
Speaker 2: have kind of slocked on my social media, but now
Speaker 2: I'm back on it and that is super help, the
Speaker 2: to promote yourself and you know, connect with your fans
Speaker 2: and a'mout what you're doing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so do you you still when when did
Speaker 1: you stop dancing or do you still dance?
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Oh no, I stopped like gosh, maybe when
Speaker 2: I was like like twenty two or twenty three sounds
Speaker 2: somewhere around then. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And was it just you banked up enough where you're
Speaker 1: like I can make the next move or were you
Speaker 1: just kind of like I'm done with this shit.
Speaker 2: I think I just didn't really like.
Speaker 1: It.
Speaker 2: I just wasn't like the lifestyle that I wanted to have,
Speaker 2: Like I really didn't enjoy like, you know, a lot
Speaker 2: of drinking, at least for me, especially because I was
Speaker 2: at the age where people like to like drink a lot,
Speaker 2: so I was probably I just realized, you know, I'm
Speaker 2: drinking too much. I don't really want to like stay
Speaker 2: out late and then also it was kind of so
Speaker 2: maybe it was like twenty four twenty five when now
Speaker 2: that I'm thinking about it, like when also there was
Speaker 2: more options, like websites, like adult websites were just starting
Speaker 2: and stuff like that. And also the club that I
Speaker 2: worked at there was a lot of feature dancers like
Speaker 2: magazine models and magazine models and like you know, important
Speaker 2: to stars that would feature there. And so that really
Speaker 2: like intrigued me. So I think I just wanted to
Speaker 2: kind of like try something different. I was kind of
Speaker 2: over a being like over the like working in a bar.
Speaker 2: I just wanted to do something different.
Speaker 1: For sure, for sure. So then what was the next move?
Speaker 1: Did you go online or did you start shooting scenes
Speaker 1: or so?
Speaker 2: Like this girl that I was stround with, she had
Speaker 2: started doing you know, magazines and movies, and she just
Speaker 2: asked me, because I really didn't know how to go
Speaker 2: about it, you know what I mean, and like it's
Speaker 2: not like now where there's tons of agencies and everything.
Speaker 2: She just asked me if I wanted her to send
Speaker 2: my photos around, and I was like sure, And then
Speaker 2: I think like a week or two later, Score magazine
Speaker 2: blew me out, and then she started an adult website
Speaker 2: and stopped working at the club, and so she introduced
Speaker 2: me to her webmaster and I started my own website.
Speaker 2: So I mostly did that, and then I tried, like
Speaker 2: a few times to go to LA and like do more,
Speaker 2: but it would be like, Okay, I'm paying for a ticket,
Speaker 2: I'm paying for a hotel, I'm paying for rental car
Speaker 2: because Ellie's like so big it's hard to get around
Speaker 2: and there was no uber, so I was paying for
Speaker 2: all that, and then I would go there and like
Speaker 2: scenes would cancel and I would end up just like
Speaker 2: breaking even, and so I just was like, this is
Speaker 2: not you know, your time. Yeah, yeah, this isn't really
Speaker 2: working out. So I just kind of focused on my
Speaker 2: website for a long time because at that time there
Speaker 2: were no other like not there were no other There
Speaker 2: were very many adult sites online, so it was a
Speaker 2: lot more lucrative than it is now for an adult site,
Speaker 2: you know, just a website.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, and that's so interesting. I always think back, is, uh,
Speaker 1: let me ask you first, the person who you know
Speaker 1: showed you all this, and is she famous? Is she
Speaker 1: in the industries that or was she?
Speaker 2: Her name is Karina kurbs I don't think she's done
Speaker 2: anything for a really long time, and I think she
Speaker 2: just retired living in normal life now. She was quite
Speaker 2: a bit older than me, and then I think she
Speaker 2: had I don't know, she had some things going on,
Speaker 2: so she kind of got out of the business.
Speaker 1: I always think about the early online pioneers in this
Speaker 1: type of stuff like burninganngel dot com comes to mind,
Speaker 1: things like Liz Vicious was a person who early on
Speaker 1: when I was like in high school and I'm going
Speaker 1: through the computer and find it. So you you really,
Speaker 1: in a way, you were on that list of people
Speaker 1: early on who understood that there is a desire for
Speaker 1: individualized content. You essentially invented OnlyFans. You just didn't tell
Speaker 1: anyone about it, which is pretty cool, huh. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, we'll talk about that. We're gonna take a
Speaker 1: break in a second, but I want to come back
Speaker 1: to your film career because you've worked with some real legends,
Speaker 1: and I want to talk about your time just doing
Speaker 1: different shoots and going back a while. Today, my guest
Speaker 1: is Karen Fisher. She's a We're gonna by the end
Speaker 1: of the episode figure out a term to use other
Speaker 1: than legend because legend doesn't to me, it doesn't sound
Speaker 1: She's a superstar in this industry and she has been
Speaker 1: for a long time. Sexy karenxxx dot com and her
Speaker 1: only fans go check it out at Karen Fisher links
Speaker 1: to all social media and everything else is going to
Speaker 1: be in the episode description, so make sure you check
Speaker 1: that out and we'll be right back. All right, We're
Speaker 1: back with my guest today, Karen Fisher, Sexy karenxxx dot
Speaker 1: com or her only fans at Karen Fisher. Karen, I
Speaker 1: have a game for you today, and I want to
Speaker 1: test your own knowledge about one of my favorite porn
Speaker 1: stars of all time, Karen Fisher. We're gonna play a
Speaker 1: game called I said, what do you like.
Speaker 2: It when you're any girls talk fantasy to you? I said,
Speaker 2: what kind of obsessed with? Course?
Speaker 1: Con?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 1: I said, what is a game where you, the world
Speaker 1: famous portn star have to identify your own work?
Speaker 2: Okay, okay.
Speaker 1: I've got three audio clips for you, and your job
Speaker 1: today is to identify which scene that audio clip comes from. Okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 1: I will give you multiple choice, So when the clip plays,
Speaker 1: if you think you know what it is, hold off.
Speaker 1: Let me give you your choices, and we will see
Speaker 1: how well you know your own content.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, I'm.
Speaker 1: Gonna play the first clip here for you.
Speaker 2: Oh oh oh man, now hi and get you clean up.
Speaker 1: My husband is come, Karen, what's that from a Cougar
Speaker 1: season dot com? B my Friends Hot mom dot com
Speaker 1: or C neighbor affair dot com?
Speaker 2: Oh god, oh, I have no I'm gonna guess see.
Speaker 1: I think on my BC you are correct it was
Speaker 1: neighbor affair dot com. That's correct.
Speaker 2: That's so funny.
Speaker 1: Uh, let's do clip number two?
Speaker 2: Good boy not fucking calm in my mouth?
Speaker 1: And when I taste it, Karen, was that clip we
Speaker 1: just played for you there? And I do wonder what
Speaker 1: it tasted like? Uh? Was that from Seduced by a
Speaker 1: Cougar dot com? Free use milf dot com or milfsoup
Speaker 1: dot com?
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I'm gonna guess see.
Speaker 1: Sorry, the correct answer was B free use milf dot com.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that went okay, Yeah I was because sometimes
Speaker 2: it takes me a second to like think of like
Speaker 2: what movie was like anyways, So.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I I couldn't. I wouldn't be able to pick
Speaker 1: any of these out. So kudos to you for, you know,
Speaker 1: even trying. I would just be like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I sound like a mess. There, let's do clip number three.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I think you should just put it in. Yeah,
Speaker 2: no one will.
Speaker 1: Ever know, Karen, is that clip from a cuckhunter dot com?
Speaker 1: Be Lethalcougars dot com or C Mypervyfamily dot com?
Speaker 2: Oh gosh, maybe see I'm just going with C.
Speaker 1: That's correct, That's correct My Prairie Family. So two for three, excellent,
Speaker 1: excellent score. It's kind of interesting. You have shot so
Speaker 1: many scenes now, have you ever run into anyone in
Speaker 1: person and they've been like, oh, yeah, we had text
Speaker 1: at one time and you were like, oh yeah, I
Speaker 1: guess we did.
Speaker 2: Technically I have a pretty good memory. But happened like
Speaker 2: once or twice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, is that awkward or is that kind of just
Speaker 1: accepted in the like in real life, like not you know,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean outside of.
Speaker 2: Lapped it off like it wasn't you know like what
Speaker 2: this guy was like, he looks so familiar, like I've
Speaker 2: seen you before, like met you before. He said, yeah,
Speaker 2: we we like we films together. I was like, oh
Speaker 2: my bad. So when we just flapped it wasn't like
Speaker 2: a big deal.
Speaker 1: I would you be offended by it if somebody forgot
Speaker 1: shooting a scene with you?
Speaker 2: No, I mean if it wasn't somebody like it was
Speaker 2: somebody that I knew really well or like Hail, Like
Speaker 2: numerous times I'd be like, yeah, exactly it happened, and
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, I'd be annoyed, like what's wrong with you?
Speaker 2: But yeah, if it just was somebody it films with once,
Speaker 2: like whatever, sure it happens.
Speaker 1: Uh, who were some of your fit? What year do
Speaker 1: you remember what year you got into the industry. I
Speaker 1: should have had that ready.
Speaker 2: I feel like it was like around two year two thousand, Yeah,
Speaker 2: when I got into like the website and I was
Speaker 2: doing magazines. Maybe a little bit later, Yeah somewhere around there.
Speaker 1: Were you doing collaboration stuff back then? Like would you
Speaker 1: get other porn stars on your website or were you
Speaker 1: mostly doing solo stuff?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean I did. I did do a lot
Speaker 2: of especially I lived in Oregon at the time, so
Speaker 2: it's not like there's tons of people in Oregon to
Speaker 2: film with. But yeah, like I filmed, I would say then.
Speaker 2: I was more like amateur, So I filmed built like
Speaker 2: a lot of amateur people. Yeah, and that was a
Speaker 2: really popular thing, like the amateur swingers, even though I
Speaker 2: was never like a swinger because I was single, but
Speaker 2: that was like such a popular at that time. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so I took a lot of that, like with other amateurs.
Speaker 2: So you know, amateur people.
Speaker 1: For sure, amateur people, yes, yeah, yeah, amateurs. So that
Speaker 1: got you. Obviously you have your own website. Did you
Speaker 1: decide then or was it prior to that when you
Speaker 1: were like, I really want to start or did you
Speaker 1: let me restart this whole question because I sound like
Speaker 1: an asshole. Did you recognize back then that doing mainstream
Speaker 1: stuff would bring more people to you and did that happen?
Speaker 1: Like I talk to a lot of girls who say,
Speaker 1: I really only shoot mainstream stuff so I can drive
Speaker 1: people to my only fans or you were you the
Speaker 1: same way back then, where you like, well, if I
Speaker 1: shoot more mainstream scenes and I get my name out there,
Speaker 1: they'll come to my website.
Speaker 2: I feel like at that time, excuse me, there was
Speaker 2: so much like traffic was super easy. It's not now
Speaker 2: with all these like tube sites, there was no free
Speaker 2: porn to compete with, and like the thought was it's
Speaker 2: kind of better, like just to do your own and
Speaker 2: own your own content, you know then, because like say,
Speaker 2: if you have like a million scenes on browsers on
Speaker 2: nat An America, which actually didn't even exist then, but
Speaker 2: say you did, you have a ton of scenes like
Speaker 2: out there. It's like people aren't going to pay to
Speaker 2: join your site because you already have so much stuff
Speaker 2: on other people's sites, if that makes any sense. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Like back then, so it was the shot like don't
Speaker 2: it's better not to, But like now I feel like
Speaker 2: it is helpful to do mainstream scenes. Sure, yeah, I
Speaker 2: feel like it does help your only fans.
Speaker 1: It's not crazy though, if I were to make the
Speaker 1: assumption that most girls, likely at a certain level of success,
Speaker 1: probably make more off of their only fans than their
Speaker 1: mainstream shoots.
Speaker 2: Yeah, probably. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So let me talk about some of your interests
Speaker 1: and what did you have things early on that you
Speaker 1: just weren't willing to do that you eventually came around
Speaker 1: to on film like anything? Where did you start off
Speaker 1: pretty slow and work? I interviewed Trinity Saint Clair one
Speaker 1: time and she said her first shoot was a gang bang,
Speaker 1: And then I've talked to other go ahead, go ahead. Sorry,
Speaker 1: oh I just said, oh wow, oh yeah, yeah. But
Speaker 1: what that told her fans is, you know, I'm a goer.
Speaker 1: I'm always going to put effort into these scenes. But
Speaker 1: I can understand the inverse as well, where it's like, hey,
Speaker 1: hold off on doing this, this and that because you
Speaker 1: want to build up to that. Was it like, was
Speaker 1: it like that back when you started in the industry?
Speaker 2: Not as much, like I don't know on the mainstream
Speaker 2: side because I wasn't like that involved with that. I
Speaker 2: did start doing Boy Girl like pretty quickly, but I
Speaker 2: I mean even now, I've never done anal really, you know,
Speaker 2: I've never done that. Yeah, I mean, it's just mostly
Speaker 2: I don't like it. That's really what it is.
Speaker 1: Are there others? Are there other things that within the
Speaker 1: world of porn that are somewhat vanilla? Is there anything
Speaker 1: else that you haven't done that you're kind of like,
Speaker 1: you know, obviously, if I'm in an office and I'm
Speaker 1: bringing up anal, no one's gonna be like, that's very
Speaker 1: vanilla of you to discuss right now. But I mean,
Speaker 1: like anal's kind of accepted in the porn Is there
Speaker 1: anything that is quote unquote accept it that you're maybe
Speaker 1: a little bit like I still don't like shooting that
Speaker 1: kind of shit.
Speaker 2: Mmmm, that's what I really not like doing. I feel
Speaker 2: like my main thing is like, no anal, I hate
Speaker 2: it when a guy gets like, actually one of those
Speaker 2: things the neighbor, that guy was like trying to like
Speaker 2: he was so rough, So I hate that, really, I
Speaker 2: hate that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no roughness is at all or just I.
Speaker 2: Don't mind being intense. You know, there's a difference between
Speaker 2: being intense and getting into it and then just being
Speaker 2: like kind of maybe not rough is the word, like
Speaker 2: just kind of demeaning, like trying to de meet me,
Speaker 2: and like I hate that. Don't do that.
Speaker 1: Okay, So you have never I don't know, I'm asking,
Speaker 1: have you you've never been into like any of the
Speaker 1: even light humiliation stuff.
Speaker 2: No, no, I would. I don't think I would get
Speaker 2: so kissed off that I just would like walk off set.
Speaker 2: I just it's not for me, and I don't like.
Speaker 1: It totally get that. You know, everyone has Some girls
Speaker 1: I've interviewed have so I always say I differentiate between
Speaker 1: rough and violent, but you actually threw a new one
Speaker 1: for me. They're intense. I guess you could go intense,
Speaker 1: rough violent. Some girls I've talked to enjoy the violent stuff,
Speaker 1: and I'll just never understand that. I could always It's like,
Speaker 1: I don't know how you can mix punching and slapping
Speaker 1: real real hard with sex. I just don't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wouldn't like that either. Yeah, I just rap
Speaker 2: isn't the right word, like your right violent and meaning
Speaker 2: like that. I really don't like that.
Speaker 1: Sure, sure is there? Have you shot a gang bang before?
Speaker 2: Or no? Oh my god, I just shot the lameless
Speaker 2: gangbang ever? Because I don't do anal and so it
Speaker 2: was like it was more of like a blow bang.
Speaker 2: So I would maybe want to like try and do
Speaker 2: it again, but like a better one. I like that.
Speaker 2: I don't even talk about it because it's not I
Speaker 2: feel like it's not a good It wasn't a good scene.
Speaker 1: I see. Maybe I'm just a softy here. I never
Speaker 1: require anal in a gang bang. What I'm looking for
Speaker 1: in a gang bang is for like a woman to
Speaker 1: be so overwhelmed with satisfaction that it's like she doesn't
Speaker 1: know how to handle or shit. Like I kind of
Speaker 1: like watching a girl with her eye going a little
Speaker 1: crazy because she's come so many times during a scene.
Speaker 1: So just one gang bang you've shot in your.
Speaker 2: Career, Yeah, just one?
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, well that's all right now, Will Is
Speaker 1: that a horse you will jump back on at some point?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, I just thought I'd like to do like
Speaker 2: another one that's better because that one was I don't know,
Speaker 2: that was like a lame scene in my opinion.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, we are going to take another break
Speaker 1: real quick, and then we will come right back with
Speaker 1: one more game, and we're gonna wrap this up, ladies
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Speaker 2: Okay? What is it?
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Speaker 1: last two were that was really good. Actually, that was phenomenal.
Speaker 1: The last one was fluffer. So I would have probably
Speaker 1: said something along the lines of like, what isn't us
Speaker 1: apparently real? On a porn set anymore.
Speaker 2: It's like a million things. But yeah, I feel I
Speaker 2: get it.
Speaker 1: That's true. And then the last one would have just
Speaker 1: been it was gangbang. So I'm gonna do two videos
Speaker 1: competing against each other. I need a tiebreaker, So for
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Speaker 1: I a FD dot com as of this recording, how
Speaker 1: many male performers has Karen Fisher worked with? Now, this
Speaker 1: isn't gonna this isn't gonna include private shoes or anything.
Speaker 1: It does include sexy Karen xxx dot com. Though, I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna do who gets closest. No one's gonna nail
Speaker 1: this exactly. So how many male performers on record do
Speaker 1: you think you've worked with throughout your career?
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm just gonna say, like ditsy.
Speaker 1: One hundred and one is actually the answer. Don't go
Speaker 1: back and tell your nuns that one. Okay, folks, So
Speaker 1: we talked about you. You you gave me an eye
Speaker 1: there when I said fluffer a little bit. Has that
Speaker 1: ever been a thing on a porn set? Not that
Speaker 1: I know, right. I interviewed Jim Powers, who was big
Speaker 1: in like the nineties and early two thousands and stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 1: love him. I think he's phenomenal. I thought he brought
Speaker 1: some interesting stuff over to the US. But he said, like,
Speaker 1: fluffers aren't real. Do you you've never seen that? Do
Speaker 1: you get annoyed if a guy asks or has to
Speaker 1: be fluffed before a scene because some girls are just like, yeah,
Speaker 1: whatever gets the day going, blah blah blah, and some
Speaker 1: girls are like, absolutely not, that's your fucking job, buddy.
Speaker 2: I'm a same player, so I don't mind helping to
Speaker 2: a certain point, Like you know what I mean, I'm
Speaker 2: not gonna suck your dick to flup it for like
Speaker 2: thirty minutes like that's but you know, like a little
Speaker 2: sure or whatever. Yeah, so I am to a certain point.
Speaker 1: Sure. I mean, on set, you're all supposed to be professionals.
Speaker 1: So I get that, like, hey, look this guy's struggling,
Speaker 1: let's help him along, blah blah blah. But at the
Speaker 1: same time, I understand I kind of understand the other
Speaker 1: side too. It's like, dude, you got one job to
Speaker 1: get that dick hard.
Speaker 2: Awesome magician, you know what I'm saying, And I'm not
Speaker 2: gonna wear myself out like trying to get you hard. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So it's a combination of those things.
Speaker 1: Sure, that makes sense. Do you have best friends in
Speaker 1: the industry?
Speaker 2: Close friends? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Now do you name any of them who's like,
Speaker 1: who's like a trusted confidant in another performer? Maybe? Now,
Speaker 1: I don't you know, behind the scenes it's like, oh, okay,
Speaker 1: your accountant's good. That's nice.
Speaker 2: No, I would say like jaylen Rio and I have
Speaker 2: pretty good friends Maggie Green, Sex, Steve Vanessa, Sarah j
Speaker 2: Alexis Golden. Those are probably like the closest. I used
Speaker 2: to be pretty good friends with a Laura, but she's
Speaker 2: not in the business anymore.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: Do you find it hard to shoot scenes if you'd
Speaker 1: be better friends with someone or is it easier?
Speaker 2: I feel like it's more more comfortable with them. See,
Speaker 2: I like sometimes I get nervous with new people, so
Speaker 2: I am more comfortable. Oh my phone slow, I am. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's more comfortable, right if it's someone you know and
Speaker 2: feel comfortable with.
Speaker 1: Sure, But then have you ever had someone where maybe not?
Speaker 1: Maybe not. I'm just thinking of my own personal life
Speaker 1: where it got So has anyone been such a close
Speaker 1: friend to you or maybe you keep the industry fans
Speaker 1: a little bit separate than personal fans. Has anyone become
Speaker 1: so close where it's just like like you burst out
Speaker 1: laughing halfway through a scene where you're like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: this is ridiculous. Thank you for eating my box right now.
Speaker 1: But uh, you know, uh I have to laugh because
Speaker 1: last week we went to the club and you slipped
Speaker 1: in whatever blah blah.
Speaker 2: Blah, like something not really during this sucks, you know,
Speaker 2: but like if it's like I don't know though, if
Speaker 2: it's a scenario that I think it's funny, even if
Speaker 2: I don't know anybody, I'll laugh. So I don't think
Speaker 2: it makes a big difference. For some reason, though with
Speaker 2: guys that I'm friends with, I don't like working with
Speaker 2: them as much.
Speaker 1: Really, okay, and what is that? What's that say?
Speaker 2: Have we become really good friends? I don't know, because
Speaker 2: I don't see them sexually, and I mean I can
Speaker 2: like obviously fake it, but it's and it's not like horrible.
Speaker 2: It's just not like like I don't I feel like
Speaker 2: I'm not going to be very in a sexual mood.
Speaker 2: I don't know that.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, that makes total sense. That's actually kind
Speaker 1: of what I was. I was implying towards where Yeah,
Speaker 1: it seems like if you if you did get too closest,
Speaker 1: it may come off a little awkward or but I
Speaker 1: guess it's always good to have a backup in case
Speaker 1: you got something big planned. You know, Hey, this might
Speaker 1: be awkward, but I'm going to call Jeff and he'll
Speaker 1: do the job.
Speaker 2: You know. Yeah, but like for some reason, woman, it's
Speaker 2: not like that, no way.
Speaker 1: Uh do you do you like women at all in
Speaker 1: your personal life or is that just business?
Speaker 2: I do?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 2: Actually, like when I was younger, I actually was in
Speaker 2: like like a lesbian relation for a long time ago.
Speaker 2: But I feel like I mostly favor men. But yeah
Speaker 2: I do. Yeah, Okay, already.
Speaker 1: Let me ask what is coming down the pipe for you, Pike?
Speaker 1: However you say that term. Are we just going to
Speaker 1: keep producing again high quality, great content? Do you have
Speaker 1: anything special lined up where you're like, oh, this is interesting.
Speaker 1: Your mouth went open, so that means you got something
Speaker 1: special lined up?
Speaker 2: Well, it's not. It's already out. It's like a hot
Speaker 2: scene with Rachel Kravali. It just came out like yesterday.
Speaker 2: I'm my only fans I have also lined up for
Speaker 2: like not sweet. The following week, I'm filming with Brian
Speaker 2: Connor and Mazie and we have a really cool scenario
Speaker 2: planned out. So I'm excited about God, but I'm always filming,
Speaker 2: like I have so much content. But I think those
Speaker 2: are like two of them more exciting ones, at least
Speaker 2: to me.
Speaker 1: I interviewed Rachel Covali a few months ago. She is
Speaker 1: such a sweetheart and she's so hot, but she's so
Speaker 1: funny too that I can't imagine you two on the
Speaker 1: same set. Must be hilarious because I like talking to
Speaker 1: you as well. You're You're very funny. How about Yeah?
Speaker 1: I know, okay? Is I gonna say? Are there h
Speaker 1: kind of in a conundrum here, Like I've run through
Speaker 1: my list of questions. What is different from baton?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: I remember a couple I had still What is different
Speaker 1: today versus two thousand and two, two thousand and three
Speaker 1: on like an actual set, like a mainstream shoot. Is
Speaker 1: it much more catered to the women nowadays? Which is
Speaker 1: a good thing personally, I would think if it was,
Speaker 1: is it still like a burn and churn type operation?
Speaker 1: What is being on a set then versus being on
Speaker 1: a set now? Like?
Speaker 2: So I wasn't filming. I would say it would be
Speaker 2: just once in every once in a while that I
Speaker 2: would film for mainstream. In two thousand and two, two
Speaker 2: thousand and three, I started really filming a lot, maybe
Speaker 2: like two thousand and eight, nine, ten, somewhere around them, Okay,
Speaker 2: but I so between like eight nine and ten and
Speaker 2: now I feel like the scenes that I've done for
Speaker 2: mainstream are so much faster and more like god like,
Speaker 2: which being on the Statbirds twelve hours is horrible and
Speaker 2: you just kind of like lose any interest and actually
Speaker 2: actually like fucking you know what I mean? So I
Speaker 2: like that they kind of at least someone that I've
Speaker 2: been in. It's not like I works for every time
Speaker 2: company recently, but the ones that I have to shop
Speaker 2: for there it's more quick streamlines to the point. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: So I like that better.
Speaker 1: Sure are there anything?
Speaker 2: They're pretty good? You know, you're still like excited to
Speaker 2: be there, You're not like, can I go home already? Sure? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Are there any mainstream type websites that you haven't yet
Speaker 1: shot for that you would like to or even see?
Speaker 1: I always I always call a mid tier and that
Speaker 1: seems insulting, but I always look at top tier at
Speaker 1: things like Brassers and this and that, and then the
Speaker 1: next step down is like sites maybe without recognizable names,
Speaker 1: but that have interesting concepts or interesting niches, like it's
Speaker 1: a pretty blunt name, but I do enjoy the website
Speaker 1: gangbangcreampie dot com because yeah, because it's just it's a
Speaker 1: girl and about five dudes, and then by the fifth guy,
Speaker 1: you're like, oh man, it's really mucked up in there,
Speaker 1: but this guy's still going for it, you know who.
Speaker 1: Thank so I always I like those more like mid
Speaker 1: tier websites where it's still high quality. But are there
Speaker 1: any of those that you would be interested in shooting
Speaker 1: or maybe not?
Speaker 2: I don't know, to be honest with you, I don't.
Speaker 2: I'm not that as active as I used to be,
Speaker 2: like filming mainstream, So there's so many companies like I
Speaker 2: don't know, and I do kind of like more like
Speaker 2: I mean not to say that the mid tier wouldn't
Speaker 2: be like this, but I like it that they take
Speaker 2: time to like have a makeup artist, like Brassways America.
Speaker 2: I'm like, they you know, they make you look good.
Speaker 2: There's good lighting. It's not just like I don't know,
Speaker 2: it's kind of a little Markle I am. I really
Speaker 2: like that. I really like to film for Melthy that's
Speaker 2: a new one that looks cool. I always liked to film,
Speaker 2: and I haven't filmed with them for a long time.
Speaker 2: Is Girlfriend's films. They're really cool. They always like working
Speaker 2: for They always have like a really cool plot that's like.
Speaker 2: The sex scenes are pretty good usually because they let
Speaker 2: you go more naturally. It's not so like directed, like
Speaker 2: they're not stopping every two minutes, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: I guess you don't know what I mean because you've
Speaker 2: never done on to.
Speaker 1: But I can, I can, I will know. But I
Speaker 1: do love a behind the scenes clip. So I've seen,
Speaker 1: I've seen. I get it. It's not it does not
Speaker 1: look as fun as having normal sex with someone, if
Speaker 1: I'm being honest with you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I feel like with them it is like
Speaker 2: pretty organic for the most part. Actually like live more
Speaker 2: recent scenes I've done for Not America, we're more you know,
Speaker 2: go with the blow and that's always cool.
Speaker 1: Do you like the storyline aspect of it or do
Speaker 1: you do you like it more than Gonto's stuff.
Speaker 2: I like, I mean, so I think it's like too
Speaker 2: long where it's it's taking like three four hours sometimes
Speaker 2: to do just the dialogue. Depending. Sometimes I'm into it
Speaker 2: because i'd like the scripts. I kind of fancy myself
Speaker 2: like a real actress. I play with the fantasy in
Speaker 2: my head, So yeah, I do. I do kind of
Speaker 2: like having like a scenario and like some I don't know,
Speaker 2: it's kind of fun.
Speaker 1: I as a viewer, I don't necessarily need the scenario,
Speaker 1: but as someone who likes to do media content type stuff,
Speaker 1: I get why someone would want a little bit of
Speaker 1: storyline to that for sure. Do you have to memorize
Speaker 1: the lines?
Speaker 2: No? No, not usually they usually you usually just go
Speaker 2: like line by line. They give me the scripts in advance,
Speaker 2: so I'll try and at least have like a rap
Speaker 2: by idea. But I think one time I was in
Speaker 2: a future where they did want you to like memorize it.
Speaker 2: But usually you know, usually that you don't even have
Speaker 2: it until you like get.
Speaker 1: There and then okay, all right, all right, So they
Speaker 1: don't give you a lot of time for you to
Speaker 1: build a character in your own head. But you know,
Speaker 1: you understand you're playing a real letter today or a
Speaker 1: mom with a step son who ye dad, Sure, Okay,
Speaker 1: all right, Yeah, Karen, you've been wonderful today. I really
Speaker 1: appreciate your time. I know we've been fighting it this
Speaker 1: whole time, but you really are a legend and an
Speaker 1: innovator in this industry. And I don't know that you
Speaker 1: get enough credit for it, but I'm hoping you do
Speaker 1: going forward, because you know it's a good thing. You did,
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Speaker 1: You gave us you and we all appreciate that. Ladies
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Speaker 1: I did have one last question before we wrap. Do
Speaker 1: you like working with younger or older performers? Do you prefer? Sorry,
Speaker 1: I never.
Speaker 2: Work with older Like I'm a mouse, so it would
Speaker 2: be like so rare for me to work with somebody,
Speaker 2: even my own age, it's almost always young people.
Speaker 1: How young do you have you ever had? And not
Speaker 1: asking to identify anyone specifically, but have you ever had
Speaker 1: someone where you were like cast with them and you're like,
Speaker 1: oh my is he eight? Is he an adult? How
Speaker 1: does this work?
Speaker 2: No? No, I need some of them. They do look young,
Speaker 2: but I never I guess I don't even want to
Speaker 2: go there in my head that they like look like
Speaker 2: a kid, because that's like, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, last question, and I meant to wrap this up,
Speaker 1: but these just popped in my head. And if I
Speaker 1: have you on here, I have to ask have you
Speaker 1: ever had any celebrities in your social media mailboxes, like, oh,
Speaker 1: I have have you ever had any athletes? I have?
Speaker 2: I feel like athletes are the main corporots.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think athletes really like porn girls.
Speaker 1: And a lot of the times porn girls are curvier
Speaker 1: than the girl you'll meet at the local grocery store.
Speaker 1: And maybe some of these athletes could use a curvier woman,
Speaker 1: as they are most likely well endowed.
Speaker 2: Yeah maybe.
Speaker 1: I mean if I was Lebron James, I don't want
Speaker 1: to have sex with a girl who's eighty five pounds.
Speaker 1: You know, I have big Lebron James energy, So I
Speaker 1: need a girl, you know, who could take it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, some of them girls can take it. But I
Speaker 2: get what you're saying.
Speaker 1: I'm so shocked when some of these small girls are
Speaker 1: doing things like double anal or and I'm just like,
Speaker 1: how does that fit? How do you bend that way?
Speaker 2: Sarah J has like a scairy that like so figger
Speaker 2: girls have like me on the inside, but like like
Speaker 2: really skinny timy girls don't, so there's like more roote.
Speaker 2: I don't think that's been like like scientifically proven, but
Speaker 2: it's a fairy, so maybe there's something to it.
Speaker 1: I don't know, do your own research on that, folks
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Speaker 1: Karen Fisher, thank you so much for coming on with men.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you for having me