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<v Speaker 1>This is doctor Wendy Walsh and you're listening to KFI

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<v Speaker 1>AM six forty The Doctor Wendy Walsh Show on demand

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<v Speaker 1>on the iHeartRadio app. Welcome back to The Doctor Wendy

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<v Speaker 1>Walls Show on KFI AM six forty Live everywhere on

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<v Speaker 1>the iHeartRadio App. All right, this is the part of

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<v Speaker 1>the show where I'm digging deep into my social media dms.

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<v Speaker 1>Remember I'm not a therapist. I'm a psychology professor, but

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<v Speaker 1>I've written three books on relationships and who I love

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<v Speaker 1>to weigh in on your love life. If you want

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<v Speaker 1>to send me a DM, just send it to at

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<v Speaker 1>d R Wendy Walsh on Instagram at d R Wendy

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<v Speaker 1>Walsh on Instagram. All right, here we go, Dear doctor

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<v Speaker 1>Wendy says this listener, I think my situationship is dating

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<v Speaker 1>someone else. Okay, So, for those who don't understand, a

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<v Speaker 1>situationship is a relationship with no strings attached and nobody's

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<v Speaker 1>defined what it really is. But this person is also

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<v Speaker 1>using it to describe a person. They're calling the person

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<v Speaker 1>a partner a situationationship. Okay, I think my situationship is

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<v Speaker 1>dating someone else. He posts, really telling stories should I

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<v Speaker 1>address it or save face and walk away. I just

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<v Speaker 1>really like him a lot, but we've never discussed exclusivity. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>Now I just need to say one thing here. Honesty

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<v Speaker 1>saves everybody a whole lot of time and situationships are

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<v Speaker 1>very painful because everybody's living in the unknowing and nobody knows.

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<v Speaker 1>So you know, I would say, instead of walking away,

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<v Speaker 1>don't you want to know? Don't you want to have

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<v Speaker 1>the conversation. Don't you want to just say, Hey, dude,

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<v Speaker 1>I like you a lot, do you want to be exclusive?

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<v Speaker 1>Or hey, I'm not liking what you're posting in your

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<v Speaker 1>stories because I don't like to share you because you're

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<v Speaker 1>real special to me. So let's figure it out. But

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<v Speaker 1>here's the thing. If he's not having it, if he

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<v Speaker 1>says no, I don't want to be exclusive, then you

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<v Speaker 1>need to save your soul, you need to save your heart.

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<v Speaker 1>You need to walk away. And that's the main reason

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<v Speaker 1>people don't like to have these conversations because sometimes they

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to hear the truth. They're happy to have

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<v Speaker 1>a halfway relationship or a fantasy relationship, but they just

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to hear the truth. So be brave have

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<v Speaker 1>the conversation, all right? Moving along here back into the

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<v Speaker 1>DMS on Instagram at dr Wendy Walsh at doctor Wendy Walsh. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>this listener writes, Hey, doctor Wendy, how long is too

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<v Speaker 1>long to have a texting relationship? When should he ask

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<v Speaker 1>me out? Okay, I have something to say about this

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<v Speaker 1>because I use this. I made this up, this rule,

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<v Speaker 1>and then I followed it myself and it works. So

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<v Speaker 1>my theory is, if you're on a dating app and

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<v Speaker 1>you meet somebody after two or three texts, just say, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not a big texture and I'm not on this

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<v Speaker 1>app very much. If you want to give me a call,

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<v Speaker 1>here's my phone number. If they do not call, swipe

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<v Speaker 1>them away. You are not their cloud girl. You are

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<v Speaker 1>not there to give them emotional satisfaction. If you want

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<v Speaker 1>a relationship in the real world, you move it into

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<v Speaker 1>the real world. And if they don't call, you've got

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<v Speaker 1>to ghost them. Just wipe left, get rid of them,

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<v Speaker 1>end it, because they're not going to convert. Remember, there

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<v Speaker 1>are lots of people who use the dating apps and

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<v Speaker 1>they use it for emotional stimulation, and plenty of people

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<v Speaker 1>actually aren't even the people they say they are, so

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<v Speaker 1>they have a bunch of people on the line. They

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<v Speaker 1>text with them all day long. They're like somebody's robot

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<v Speaker 1>emotional support texter. Don't don't do it. So, yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 1>too long if you're more than three or four text

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<v Speaker 1>and you're not getting into the real world. Okay, dear

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<v Speaker 1>doctor Wendy, I had met a very cute and a

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<v Speaker 1>very handsome fellow. He's both cute and handsome. I like that.

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<v Speaker 1>He's also very sweet. Who but he asked me to

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<v Speaker 1>be his girlfriend on our first date. Is that an

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<v Speaker 1>automatic red flag? Okay, Well, let's talk about.

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<v Speaker 2>What that is.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>Somebody who wants complete exclusivity from the beginning is somebody

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<v Speaker 1>who probably has a lot of anxiety around attachment. They

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<v Speaker 1>have huge abandonment issues. Perhaps they may want to control you,

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<v Speaker 1>keep you as theirs. They're so into you. First of all,

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<v Speaker 1>you guys haven't even gone through the exploratory stage of

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<v Speaker 1>deciding whether you'd be compatible to be boyfriend and girlfriend.

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<v Speaker 1>So while it's a red flag, let's talk about what

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<v Speaker 1>it's a red flag for. And it's just indicating that

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<v Speaker 1>maybe the person has anxiety around attachment, has you know,

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<v Speaker 1>control issues, you don't know, So what you want to

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<v Speaker 1>do is say that seems a little fast. I'd like

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<v Speaker 1>to spend a little more time getting to know each other.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, one time I dated a guy and we're

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<v Speaker 1>like on our third date, and you know what he

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<v Speaker 1>said to me, He goes, Okay, how about every time

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<v Speaker 1>we say goodbye, let's have a time on the calendar

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<v Speaker 1>when we'll see each other again. And I said, it's

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<v Speaker 1>a little early for that. And it sounds like you

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<v Speaker 1>have trouble containing yourself in the waiting and the not knowing, right,

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<v Speaker 1>because you know, you had three dates with somebody who

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<v Speaker 1>has a PhD in clinical psychology, so I can talk

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<v Speaker 1>like that. And I said, how about you learn to

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<v Speaker 1>self console and wait and give me a call when

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<v Speaker 1>you have some free time, and we'll decide if we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to get together again. You see, the very beginning

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<v Speaker 1>of a relationship is a time of unknowing. You have

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<v Speaker 1>to kind of hold it together. You have to kind

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<v Speaker 1>of be cool. Right. You can't on a first date

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<v Speaker 1>say hey, I like you, Will you be my boyfriend?

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<v Speaker 1>Will you be my girlfriend? That shows that you can't

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<v Speaker 1>you can't. Uh, what's the word I'm looking for?

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<v Speaker 1>You just can't wait. You can't control yourself, you can't

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<v Speaker 1>calm down, you can't self console, you can't manage your feelings. Right, So, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's kind of a red flag, but it's also an

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<v Speaker 1>opportunity for discussion. All right, Okay, I have one more

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<v Speaker 1>I think before we go to the break. Okay, and

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<v Speaker 1>if you have a question you want to send me

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<v Speaker 1>in a DM, send it to at d r Wendy

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<v Speaker 1>Walsh on Instagram. Dear doctor, Wendy, my cousin is dating

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<v Speaker 1>my ex crush. Let me figure that out. So you

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<v Speaker 1>used to have a crush on somebody and obviously didn't

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<v Speaker 1>turn out to be anything. Is just to crush and

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<v Speaker 1>now your cousin is dating that person. I feel she

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely crossed the line. She didn't even tell me. I

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<v Speaker 1>found out from a mutual friend. How should I address this? Okay, So,

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<v Speaker 1>just because you had a crush on somebody doesn't mean

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<v Speaker 1>you own them, all right. One time, many many many

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<v Speaker 1>years ago, I had a falling out with a roommate,

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<v Speaker 1>no less because a guy she had a crush on

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<v Speaker 1>who had no idea she had a crush on him,

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<v Speaker 1>asked me out and I'm like, he's fair game if

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<v Speaker 1>you haven't, you know whatever, Because there was another time,

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<v Speaker 1>same roommate. By the way, another guy came up to

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<v Speaker 1>me and said, Hey, I'd like to have dinner with you,

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<v Speaker 1>and I said I can't because my roommate has a

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<v Speaker 1>crush on you. We were young and dumb and saying

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<v Speaker 1>stupid things. And he goes, well, that doesn't mean I

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<v Speaker 1>don't even know who she is, and that's crazy. And anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't go out to dinner with him. I did

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<v Speaker 1>the right thing, and I was loyal to the friend.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know what, everybody's fair game until a relationship starts.

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<v Speaker 1>And I hope that you can be supportive of your

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<v Speaker 1>cousin and celebrating for your cousin and go find another crush.

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<v Speaker 1>There's lots of crushes out there, all right. When we

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<v Speaker 1>come back, I'm going to continue to answer your relationship questions.

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<v Speaker 1>Send them on Instagram in a DM at Dr Wendy Walsh,

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<v Speaker 2>You're listening to Doctor Wendy Walsh on demand from KFI

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<v Speaker 2>AM six forty Welcome back to.

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<v Speaker 1>The Doctor Wendy Walls Show. I'm KFI AM six forty

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<v Speaker 1>live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. Back into the DMS

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<v Speaker 1>on Instagram. If you have a relationship question, please send

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<v Speaker 1>it to me in a little private message. I will

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<v Speaker 1>keep your identity a secret. All right, let's get right

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<v Speaker 1>into it. Let's see. Oh yes, dear doctor Wendy. Oh oh,

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<v Speaker 1>this is going to be really sad. Dear doctor Wendy,

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<v Speaker 1>My wife and I experienced the loss of a child. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so sorry. It was three years ago and she

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<v Speaker 1>has been a shell of her former self ever since.

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<v Speaker 1>How much longer do I deal with that?

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<v Speaker 3>This?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Well, let's pause right now. This isn't about a

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<v Speaker 1>time frame, it's about how to deal with it. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>So you're saying, how much longer should I put up

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<v Speaker 1>with her being a shell of herself? Well, it's not

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<v Speaker 1>your job to heal her. It's not your job to

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<v Speaker 1>put up with anything. It is your job as a

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<v Speaker 1>husband to support your wife in her journey of grieving.

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<v Speaker 1>The loss of a child is probably one of the

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<v Speaker 1>most devastating losses and complicated. Grieving is something that psychologists

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<v Speaker 1>would say is grieving that extends beyond one year. So

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<v Speaker 1>I think that. But it's perfectly okay three years later

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<v Speaker 1>to say to your wife, I know we've had this loss.

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<v Speaker 1>We are both hurting. We need to find a way

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<v Speaker 1>to come back into relationship and love so that our

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<v Speaker 1>relationship doesn't die as well. Let's go to couple's therapy

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<v Speaker 1>or would you like to? Would you like me to

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<v Speaker 1>go to a grieving counseling group with you. You've got

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<v Speaker 1>to find ways to support her, not sit there and

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<v Speaker 1>wait it out. You're not waiting out something. Things don't

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<v Speaker 1>just fix themselves. This is an opportunity. All pain. I

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<v Speaker 1>want everyone to listen to this. All pain is an

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<v Speaker 1>opportunity to dig deep things. Whether they're breakups or enormous

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<v Speaker 1>losses like this, or even the loss of a job

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<v Speaker 1>or a health issue that comes up. These are opportunities

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<v Speaker 1>for people to explore with a licensed therapist where the

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<v Speaker 1>growth is, because there's always growth that can come from it.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so sorry this happened to you, and I hope

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<v Speaker 1>you guys can find a good counselor who can help

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<v Speaker 1>you out. All right, Dear doctor Wendy, I'm a bit scared. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a bit scared reading this. Man I hooked up

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<v Speaker 1>with years ago randomly hit me up telling me he

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<v Speaker 1>loves me. He was rude when we dated and didn't

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<v Speaker 1>respect my boundaries. That's why it did work out. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't reciprocate his love. He called me four times

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<v Speaker 1>at one am. Oh oh, these are big red flags, folks.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't answer. He then cursed me out via text message,

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<v Speaker 1>and then blocked me. He told me he will block

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<v Speaker 1>me to protect his own mental health. Why am I

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<v Speaker 1>his focus? We haven't talked in years. Does this sound

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<v Speaker 1>potentially dangerous?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, yes, and yes. Okay, this is how somebody

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<v Speaker 1>with an anxious attachment style behaves. Right, So he's been

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<v Speaker 1>a few times, you moved on, right, he's still been

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<v Speaker 1>pining away for you. You did say that when you

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<v Speaker 1>with him. The best way to predict somebody's future behavior

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<v Speaker 1>is by looking at their past behavior. Okay. People don't

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<v Speaker 1>change a whole lot unless they go to therapy with you,

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<v Speaker 1>and you work change a whole different system. But yes,

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<v Speaker 1>he should block you to protect his mental health, and

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<v Speaker 1>and my therapist eventually explained to me that I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>him at all, at all, at all, Okay, It does

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<v Speaker 1>sound potentially dangerous because sometimes, more often men than women,

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<v Speaker 1>So I would definitely be about having any contact. Go

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<v Speaker 1>This could be dangerous. I'm so sorry to hear about that.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Uh here we go again. Hey, doctor, Wendy,

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<v Speaker 1>my ex boyfriend's best friend. Okay, ex boyfriend's best friend

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<v Speaker 1>why he was never right for me. It's true and

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<v Speaker 1>I really like him. Could we work out or does

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<v Speaker 1>he have the wrong intentions? You know, I think you

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<v Speaker 1>need to I can't predict the future. I don't have

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<v Speaker 1>a crystal ball, but I do want to say that

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<v Speaker 1>you should say to him something like, you know, you

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<v Speaker 1>literally should have stopped him right into it. Say I'm

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<v Speaker 1>here having dinner with you, I'd rather talk about you

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<v Speaker 1>than him, or you could say something like if he

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<v Speaker 1>on talking about my ex because it's true. There are

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<v Speaker 1>just as a you know, a goal, right, It's just

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<v Speaker 1>their thing. They want to They think of women as

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<v Speaker 1>objects that men own, and they think if I'm jealous

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<v Speaker 1>of that guy, if I get his girl, then I'll

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<v Speaker 1>have more self esteem. So you do want to be

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<v Speaker 1>careful about that. But I think for me to predict

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<v Speaker 1>what's going to happen in the future is less important

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<v Speaker 1>than you looking at this as an opportunity to bring

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<v Speaker 1>it up and practice good communication skills. Right, I think

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<v Speaker 1>we have time for one more quick one, Dear doctor Wendy.

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<v Speaker 1>My husband and I have not had sex for five months.

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<v Speaker 1>We aren't fighting. He just won't have sex with me. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>so you've initiated he hasn't. I think he's cheating. What's

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<v Speaker 1>have to it up. You're going to have to because

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<v Speaker 1>you can't have good sex life unless you can talk

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<v Speaker 1>about sex so you're going to say it without being confrontational.

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<v Speaker 1>You make that communication sandwich that I always teach. You

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<v Speaker 1>start out with a layer of love, follow by a

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<v Speaker 1>layer of something a little hard to chew on, and

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<v Speaker 1>then you back it up with another layer of love.

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<v Speaker 1>So you're going to say something like, you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>have always loved our sex life. I find you very

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<v Speaker 1>sexy and very attractive. I notice we haven't had sex

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<v Speaker 1>in the last five months, and I'm very worried and

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<v Speaker 1>concerned about that. How this is impacting our relationship because

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<v Speaker 1>and if there's a way that we can discuss it,

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<v Speaker 1>whether it's something physical, let me know, right, So don't

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<v Speaker 1>accuse him of cheating, Just say you've noticed it and

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<v Speaker 1>ask him how. How is a good word? How the

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<v Speaker 1>two of you can get back to something that makes

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<v Speaker 1>both of you happy? All right? If you ever want

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<v Speaker 1>to send me a question during the week, just DM

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<v Speaker 1>me on Instagram at Dr Wendy Walsh. When we come back,

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<v Speaker 1>are you ready to go through a life change? Are

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<v Speaker 1>you ready to set some goals for yourself? I have

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<v Speaker 1>an author who's going to tell us all how we

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<v Speaker 1>can live a better life, full of joy together. You're

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<v Speaker 1>listening to the Doctor Wendy Waalsh Show on KFI AM

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<v Speaker 1>six forty. We're live everywhere on the iHeartRadio App.

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<v Speaker 2>You're listening to Doctor Wendy Walsh on demand from KFI

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<v Speaker 2>AM six forty.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to the Doctor Wendy Walls Show on KFI

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<v Speaker 1>AM six forty, Live everywhere on the iHeartRadio App. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>let me tell you something I teach my first year

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<v Speaker 1>psychology students. This thing that I thought I just made

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<v Speaker 1>up but apparently I didn't. And what I teached him

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<v Speaker 1>is I say, you know, life is very much a

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<v Speaker 1>self fulfilling prophecy. Now I'm not saying it's all woo

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<v Speaker 1>woo that you know, the planets are going to line up,

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<v Speaker 1>and if you believe in astrology whatever, and you can

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<v Speaker 1>manifest things, they're just going to happen. No, But what

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<v Speaker 1>you do, how you think, and how you behave can

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<v Speaker 1>get you towards your goals. And I have a kindred

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<v Speaker 1>spirit in My next guest, who is an author and

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<v Speaker 1>an award winning well She wrote something called your Goal Guide,

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<v Speaker 1>a roadmap for setting, planning, and achieving your goals. But

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<v Speaker 1>wait her new book is called Fifty two Secrets for

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<v Speaker 1>Goal Setting and Goal Getting. How to stay focused, grow

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<v Speaker 1>your network, get more done with less time. Deborah Eckerling,

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the Doctor Wendywell Show.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, thank you so much, and I'm completely with you

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<v Speaker 3>about the kindred thing. I mean, we have to, right,

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<v Speaker 3>we have to go out and get the life we want.

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<v Speaker 3>No one's going to give it to us, right.

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<v Speaker 1>So you know, I always think that, you know, when

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<v Speaker 1>luck or I just got dealt a poor hand of cards,

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<v Speaker 1>I always say, you know, no matter what hand your dealt,

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<v Speaker 1>you can still play the game. You can figure out

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<v Speaker 1>how to get over that wall, around that wall, dig

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<v Speaker 1>under that wall. There are ways if we can do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Before we get into it, though, Deborah, let's talk about

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<v Speaker 1>I'd like to start out with a why question. Why

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<v Speaker 1>did you write this book Fifty two Secrets for Goal

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<v Speaker 3>Oh? So many reasons, But I believe that we all

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<v Speaker 3>deserve to live as these of the life and the

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<v Speaker 3>secret to success is there is no one secret. But

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<v Speaker 3>what you can do is learn what works for other

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<v Speaker 3>people and take their secrets for a test drive and

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<v Speaker 3>see what you can incorporate to make your life better,

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<v Speaker 3>to bring you closer towards your goals.

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<v Speaker 1>See excuse me, that's another thing I always say, if

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<v Speaker 1>you can't see it, you can't be it, right. And

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<v Speaker 1>so part of your book is interviewing people who have

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<v Speaker 3>Well for the book and it's fifty two secrets, but

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<v Speaker 3>I actually interviewed sixty. I call them ajievers in business

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<v Speaker 3>to heck entertainment through creative Realms, and I just asked

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<v Speaker 3>this question, what is your secret for setting goals? And

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<v Speaker 3>we're getting goals? And so the book's divided into seven sections,

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<v Speaker 3>and it covers everything from focus and productivity and networking,

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<v Speaker 3>which is the subtitle, but also well being an action

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<v Speaker 3>and leadership and teamwork and communications. So all these and

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<v Speaker 3>believe me, I had fun. I did all these interviews

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<v Speaker 3>about like, great, how am I going to sort it out?

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<v Speaker 3>Because so many of these things fall into more than

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<v Speaker 3>one category. But the bottom line is I happen to

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<v Speaker 3>know amazing people. And everyone in the book is either

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<v Speaker 1>Really one thing led to the next exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's awesome mind saying, Dhy this your life may

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<v Speaker 1>let's talk about you a little bit. You are known

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<v Speaker 1>as a connector, a motivator, a facilitator. You bring communities

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<v Speaker 1>and people together. You've been doing this for a long time,

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<v Speaker 1>but prior to that, you were in the entertainment business.

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<v Speaker 1>How did you get into the goal setting business?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, actually I started out and I've been in LA

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<v Speaker 3>for more than twenty five years. So before then I

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<v Speaker 3>just to hang out in the cafe because I wanted

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<v Speaker 3>it to be a community bookstore. And one day someone

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<v Speaker 3>lot in and he's like, will you start a writer

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<v Speaker 3>support group? And I said, if you think people will

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<v Speaker 3>was it a success, I learned first hand the power

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<v Speaker 3>of is what are you working on? How can we

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<v Speaker 3>support you? What are you working on for next? Time,

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<v Speaker 3>and my business background is communication and project management. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>So it's almost like where all our own project managers,

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<v Speaker 1>of our own lives, and you're going to teach us

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<v Speaker 3>Oh totally all right?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, first us, how you put that first question? What

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<v Speaker 1>is the difference between an attainable goal and a fantasy

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<v Speaker 1>pipe dream? How do we know if something's attainable or not?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh? Come on, we know right?

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<v Speaker 1>You mean I can't join the New York City Ballet

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<v Speaker 1>now at my age? Is that what you're saying.

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<v Speaker 3>I think the better question is what are you willing

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<v Speaker 3>we know it's always good to set those big, lofty goals,

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<v Speaker 3>but you do want to like and I use this

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<v Speaker 3>example in your goal Guide, which is the one that

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<v Speaker 3>came out in twenty So if you want to be

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<v Speaker 3>a master chef, great, if you know your way around

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<v Speaker 3>the kitchen, You've got a way better shot. But you

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<v Speaker 3>know that is something that you can train for and

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<v Speaker 3>Some things you're going to need to get re educated. Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>there are probably certain things we can and cannot do

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<v Speaker 3>due to things like I don't want to be ageists.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sure, so maybe that's not the goal. But there

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<v Speaker 3>are other.

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<v Speaker 1>Places marketing and publicity for the New York City Ballet

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<v Speaker 3>That, or you could choose to find something that's attainable.

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<v Speaker 3>Dance troop? Right?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, an old lady dance troop, that's what you're saying, gotcha, gotcha. Listen.

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<v Speaker 3>We have to go to your.

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<v Speaker 1>Have to go to break. When we come back, I

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<v Speaker 1>want to talk about some of the biggest obstacles in

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<v Speaker 1>people's lives that keep them from achieving their goals. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And if there are times in our lives, once you

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<v Speaker 1>think about this over the break debrah of when we're

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<v Speaker 1>more likely to transition and when we need new goals,

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<v Speaker 1>like I think there are sort of these critical moments

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<v Speaker 1>in our lives where it's time for us to make

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<v Speaker 1>a change. I want to talk about that when we

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<v Speaker 1>come back. The book is called fifty two Secrets for

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<v Speaker 1>Goal Setting and Goal Getting its author Deborah Eckerling. We

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<v Speaker 1>have more after this. You're listening to the Doctor Wendy

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<v Speaker 1>Wall Show on KFI AM six forty Live everywhere on

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<v Speaker 1>the iHeartRadio app.

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<v Speaker 2>You're listening to Doctor Wendy Walsh on demand from KFI

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<v Speaker 2>AM six forty.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to the final segment of the Doctor Wendy

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<v Speaker 1>Wall Show on KFI AM six forty Live everywhere on

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<v Speaker 1>the iHeartRadio app. My guest author and motivator. I love

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<v Speaker 1>that word. You're a motivator, Deborah app Eckerling. Did I

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<v Speaker 1>say that right? Eckerling?

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<v Speaker 3>Yep.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh great. Her book is called fifty two Secrets of

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<v Speaker 1>Goal Setting and Goal Getting How to stay focused, grow

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<v Speaker 1>your network, and do get more done in less time.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's talk about obstacles first, Deborah, what are the

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<v Speaker 1>things that most often hold people back?

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<v Speaker 3>The thing, the thing that I say all the time

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<v Speaker 3>is you can't get what you want. Lets you know

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<v Speaker 3>about it is so I think be people and I'm

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<v Speaker 3>sure you relate to this one. You hear about it

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<v Speaker 3>all the time. People have a certain education or an

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<v Speaker 3>experience level. They've worked in the job forever and they

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<v Speaker 3>just don't want to give it up and they don't

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<v Speaker 3>want to make a change. Okay, fine, be miserable now.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, be misraelical in the job you hate. Is that

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<v Speaker 1>what you're saying?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you are well, or you can give yourself the

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<v Speaker 3>time to figure out what you want and make a

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<v Speaker 3>plan to turn it into a reality, right. You know?

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<v Speaker 1>During the Great Recession of two thousand and eight two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand and nine, I reframed what was going on. I

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<v Speaker 1>was a single mom with two little kids, one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>percent custody, zero dollars child support, and all of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 1>we were all hanging on by a thread. And I

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<v Speaker 1>thought to myself, you know, we're always saying that there

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<v Speaker 1>are things we want to do in life, but we

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<v Speaker 1>never have the time. And when we have the time,

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<v Speaker 1>we say we don't have the money. And here I

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<v Speaker 1>am with time but no money. But what if I

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<v Speaker 1>always wanted to do?

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<v Speaker 3>So?

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<v Speaker 1>I took a little, a risky thing, a line of

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<v Speaker 1>credit out on my real estate during a recession, and

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<v Speaker 1>went to culinary school because I always wanted to learn

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<v Speaker 1>how to cook, and I said, I'm being given the

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<v Speaker 1>gift of time. So sometimes I think we have to

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<v Speaker 1>look at our obstacles and reframe them. Would you say that,

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<v Speaker 1>I would say.

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<v Speaker 3>All the time, and we do it. About your goal

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<v Speaker 3>guide before that came out in January twenty twenty, so

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<v Speaker 3>six weeks before the world got changed by circumstance, out

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<v Speaker 3>came my book saying you can't embrace change, whether it

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<v Speaker 3>is by choice or a vice circumstance. And I think

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<v Speaker 3>that's really the thing with goals. If you have to choose,

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<v Speaker 3>you want something.

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<v Speaker 1>Different, exactly make that choice. Now, there are times in

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<v Speaker 1>people's lives where change. I mean, first of all, living

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<v Speaker 1>is about change. It's constantly changing, but there are pivotal moments,

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<v Speaker 1>critical moments when people do transition. You know, at the

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<v Speaker 1>beginning of this year, I have a newsletter. It's not

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<v Speaker 1>a huge list, like you know, a few thousand people,

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<v Speaker 1>mostly KFI listeners and friends and family, And I send

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<v Speaker 1>newsletters maybe a few times a year, and I wrote

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<v Speaker 1>a very personal one in January about how now that

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<v Speaker 1>I have an empty nest, now that I have a

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<v Speaker 1>new husband and marriage, what's next? For me and how

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<v Speaker 1>sitting in this place of unknowing, this no goal has

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<v Speaker 1>been a terrible space for me to live in. What

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<v Speaker 1>would you, as a connector, motivator and facilitator Deborah Eckerling,

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<v Speaker 1>tell me, had you read that newsletter from me, I.

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<v Speaker 3>Would say, congratulations. Now think about what do you want

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<v Speaker 3>to fill the space with? You know, what do you want?

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<v Speaker 3>In so I my menthodology is called the dead method.

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<v Speaker 3>Of course, it chans for determine your mission, explore your options,

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<v Speaker 3>range from your path and usually when I'm working with

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<v Speaker 3>a hiner doing workshops, we really focus in on the

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<v Speaker 3>d because, as I said before, you can't get what

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<v Speaker 3>you want unless you know what that is. But you

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<v Speaker 3>also need to give yourself the time to be like

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<v Speaker 3>I love your culinary school story. It's like, what is

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<v Speaker 3>the thing that you've always wanted to do? And I

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<v Speaker 3>believe people most of the time know the answer, they

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<v Speaker 3>just don't take the time to ask themselves the question

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<v Speaker 3>and they really think like hmmm, So I would say,

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<v Speaker 3>this guy's a limit. So what next for you?

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<v Speaker 1>You sound like my therapist, by the way. She always says,

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<v Speaker 1>you rush to do things too quickly, and sometimes you

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<v Speaker 1>need to sit and wait and feel and think and

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<v Speaker 1>let the opportunity. Now that advice she might not give

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<v Speaker 1>to other people who might be procrastinators. I'm not that.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a busy barbie who always needs to have a project.

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<v Speaker 1>So she said, you know, this is a time for

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<v Speaker 1>you to sit in the feelings and see what bubbles up,

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<v Speaker 1>which is an interesting advice. Now, one of the things

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<v Speaker 1>we were talking about transitions, So the times of lives

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<v Speaker 1>when people set goals, most often obviously young adult life

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<v Speaker 1>with their education, getting their career launched, sometimes after empty nest,

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes after a divorce or god forbid, the death of

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<v Speaker 1>a loved one. And is that when you see people

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<v Speaker 1>most going who am I? Where am I going? How

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<v Speaker 1>can I set these goals?

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<v Speaker 3>I would like to say yes, but no, really, I

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<v Speaker 3>feel like, well, I feel like we're living in a

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<v Speaker 3>space and in a time where people feel like they

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<v Speaker 3>have control over nothing that's going on in the world,

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<v Speaker 3>and for most people they don't. But what you can

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<v Speaker 3>do is say, what is something that's going to bring

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<v Speaker 3>me joy? And not everybody has the option of, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm just going to quit my job and go after

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<v Speaker 3>a fantasy, because we know that is also not realistic.

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<v Speaker 3>But what you can't think about is what is a thing?

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<v Speaker 3>What is the something? What is a hobby? Or if

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<v Speaker 3>I always wanted to write the great American novel prison Writer,

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<v Speaker 3>I have to say that what is that thing that

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<v Speaker 3>when you think about you cannot help but smile? Find

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<v Speaker 3>a way. And this is the other secret. Look at

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<v Speaker 3>your life and say, hmm, I've got like an hour

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<v Speaker 3>a week I could devote to something that is joy,

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<v Speaker 3>and you put in the calendar and you spend that

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<v Speaker 3>time exploring, trying new things. And then when you hit

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<v Speaker 3>on the thing that really gives you that a happy factor,

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<v Speaker 3>see what develops from that. In that way, when you

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<v Speaker 3>feel like life is out of control, or you don't

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<v Speaker 3>love your job or whatever, you can remember that that

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<v Speaker 3>is not your entire life. You've got this fun thing,

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<v Speaker 3>this thing that you love, and you gotta lot that

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<v Speaker 3>joy kind of spill over into the other part of

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<v Speaker 3>your life, and that's going to help you stay motivated

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<v Speaker 3>and keep moving forward no matter what your journey.

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<v Speaker 1>So before we go, Debrah Eckerlig, if there's one piece

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<v Speaker 1>of advice you would have for our listeners who are

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<v Speaker 1>feeling stuck, maybe trapped in a job they don't like,

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<v Speaker 1>or a relationship they don't like, but they have to

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<v Speaker 1>for all kinds of reasons. What bit of advice would

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<v Speaker 1>you give to people who are feeling stuck.

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<v Speaker 3>I've got this exercise. I like. It's my take on journaling,

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<v Speaker 3>and I go all it direct to journaling and basically,

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<v Speaker 3>I know, real original. Basically, give yourself like three or

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<v Speaker 3>four fifteen minute appointments and just write out what's next

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<v Speaker 3>for me or what brings me joy? And do this three,

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<v Speaker 3>four or five times, don't read it, and then go

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<v Speaker 3>back and look through it and say, hmmm, I really

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<v Speaker 3>like this thing. So you are not only gifting yourself

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<v Speaker 3>the time to explore what's next, but you're really saying

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<v Speaker 3>you're committing to it, to finding a solution, to find

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<v Speaker 3>something that's going to bring you a happy and do

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<v Speaker 3>some of that and hopefully it will take you to

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<v Speaker 3>a wonderful place, because isn't that always The goal is

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<v Speaker 3>to live a happy and fulfilling life.

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<v Speaker 1>And I love this idea of just fifteen minutes a

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<v Speaker 1>few times a week because people I suspect we'll start

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<v Speaker 1>to see themes crop up and oh I mentioned this

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<v Speaker 1>a few times. Maybe this is the big thing.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, exactly, because we forget we get so busy, well

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<v Speaker 3>not you and I, but most people, right, they get

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<v Speaker 3>so busy that they forget that there's more to life

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<v Speaker 3>than the d oil and when you hit the pause button,

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<v Speaker 3>even if even if you have five minutes, but do

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<v Speaker 3>they hit the by the pause button and explore the

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<v Speaker 3>things that you love. You're going to stumble up on

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<v Speaker 3>something and you're going to create something amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>Debrah Eckerling, thank you so much for being with us.

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<v Speaker 1>Her book is called fifty two Secrets for Goal Setting

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<v Speaker 1>and goal getting out of Stay focused, grow your network,

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<v Speaker 1>and get more done in less time. I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>love this book. Thanks so much for being with me,

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<v Speaker 1>and that brings the Doctor Wendy Wall Show to a close.

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<v Speaker 1>It is always my pleasure to be with you on

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<v Speaker 1>Sunday nights. If you'd like to follow me on my

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<v Speaker 1>social media, you certainly may. I'm back active again after

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<v Speaker 1>taking a year off, so it's fun and my handle

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<v Speaker 1>is at doctor Wendy Walsh. You've been listening to the

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<v Speaker 1>Doctor Wendy Walls Show on KFI Am six forty live

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<v Speaker 1>everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. You've been listening to Doctor

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<v Speaker 1>Wendy Walsh. You can always hear us live on KFI

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<v Speaker 1>Am six forty from seven to nine pm on Sunday

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<v Speaker 1>and anytime on demand on the iHeartRadio app
