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Speaker 1: Now we get to a juicy part of the news,

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and that is the news that came out what on Friday, yep,

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that Connor Benn has decided to ink with ZUFA Boxing. Hmm.

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Very interesting on several fronts. And I've been reading your substack.

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I've been reading a lot of the reporting, been listing

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to Connor Binn's comments in statements that he's made. I

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don't know if he did an on an on camera

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interview or an audio interview. Eddie Hearn has obviously been

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out there. I did not hear what he said on

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the dizone broadcast, but I've read his comments and using

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the word betrayal as he's left Matchroom Boxing. All right,

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get to the particulars and then I'm on the launching

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pad about Zoufa Boxing and Dana White and all the

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hypocrisy every which direction. So go ahead first with the

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pertinent stuff.

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Speaker 2: Go ahead, well, Connor. First things first, Connor Ben fought

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the rematch and won against Chris hu Bank Junior in

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their second fight, and and he was out of contract

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with Matchrom. So it's no different than if you are

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a pitcher or a base you know, a hitter. At

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the end of the baseball season. Your contract's up, you

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go into the free agent market. Same when but when

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the basketball free agency uh portion of the of the

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year opens, or or anybody NFL, anybody in boxing, their

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contract is up. You know your you have the right

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to go and explore where you want to. You know, uh,

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do your events, do your do your career. Now that

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that was the case, so it came as a surprise

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because he's been so tied to match Room and to Eddie.

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Now there's a couple of things here. One, he took

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the deal with with with ZUFA. My reporting is that

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it's a one fight deal with no options and no

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strings attached. One fight will take place in the United

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Kingdom before the end of May. Basically, you know, bring

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an opponent, you know, somebody reputable, but they're not like

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forcing you know, a top guy on him or anything

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like that. And uh, it's fifteen million dollars, which is

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life altering money if you're if you're Tyson Fury or

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your Anthony Joshua or your Canelo Alvarez or something like that.

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A fifteen million dollar pay day, I mean, it's a

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lot of money, sure, but it's not.

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Speaker 1: Any Alexander Us, Terrence Clawford.

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Speaker 2: That, Yeah, these guys have made one hundred plus million dollars.

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Connor Ben Is in his two fights with you Bank,

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I think made a total of about twenty million, and

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the rest of his career he's made, you know, maybe

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a couple million if you want so. Fifteen million in

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one fight where you're not even being required to fight,

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you know, a super top level opponent. That's life altering money.

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So I have no problem with the guy if you're

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if you're unencumbered contractually to the signing with only making

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you the biggest offer. Now here's where the things can

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be a little bit or I get where Eddie's coming from.

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by this, and he made a mistake by not having

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him under contract, et cetera. And by the way, the

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engineer of this is obviously you know Dana and Nick Kahn,

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Keith Connelly. He was the manager for Connor Ben.

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Speaker 1: And Turkey Alisk, the Len guy.

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Speaker 2: Of course, that's where the money's coming from for sure,

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because he supports the ZUFA business as well as his

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own ring magazine, and you know, the access to the

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Rea season money. Could the ben camp have handled it

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a little better? Yes, I believe that Mattrim had the

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right to match an offer. I guess they didn't match

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the offer, and Eddie was I guess disappointed or sad

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in or upset or ticked off, forever you want to

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describe it. It's one thing if you leave. It's another

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thing if you leave and you don't even have the

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courtesy to make the phone call and say, listen, Eddie,

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I just got this unbelievable offer. And I love you

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and I appreciate everything you have done for me and

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my family over the last ten years, standing beside my yep,

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beside me and my family through all of my problems,

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through my drug testing nightmare where everybody ridiculed me, and

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you for standing by me, and you really went to

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the mat for me, you know.

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Speaker 1: The British media, the British media has reported this. He

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allegedly fronted Connor bean advanced him some money while he

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was suspended.

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Speaker 2: That's what he didn't have to do, correct, So when

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Connor was broke basically that's right.

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Speaker 1: Well, the suspension was going on.

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Speaker 2: And such legal bills related to the case, so it's

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no problem if you are a free agent to go

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about your business and go elsewhere. But I mean, I

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can speak for myself. I know that it is. If

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I was in that position, the way that I would

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have done it is I would have called or even

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that face to face and explained to them this amazing

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opportunity and said, listen, I appreciate it. But and you know,

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if the person's really your friend and you can really

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go out there and make a way way more money

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and that person can't give you the same offer, what

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do you do? You slap my ney and say, listen, man,

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it's one fight. I wish you nothing but the best,

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and when you're done, come back and let's talk.

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Speaker 1: But it's it's boxing, and there's underhanded things that have

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gone on forever with.

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Speaker 2: But the crocodiles, though, are a little bit much better well.

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Speaker 1: Of course, of course, because he got one put over

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on him. And all right, so let's go through the

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full chronology of what happened late last week because I

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only became aware of this like Thursday Friday. So Dana

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car the FAA jogbamb main event that he won, and

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now this all lines up. He starts, after talking about

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the fights going down the road, about all of these guys,

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all of these promoters are such babies. I'm beating up

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on babies. I'm paraphrasing, but he did use the word babies.

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Speaker 2: He said, I'm beating up babies.

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Speaker 1: And then he and then he says about Eddie Hearn

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that he's been working for dads, spending dad's money.

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Speaker 2: What.

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Speaker 1: Well, now it lines up that they knew they were

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talking to and doing a deal. Obviously they didn't maybe

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have it last Sunday night, but they were on the

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verge of doing this too. So the needing there was

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almost like a foreshadowing of what was gonna come later

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in the week. And I think that's irked Eddie Hearn

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even more that the insults led to this fighter coming in.

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But here I come, Raphael with this. You can't have

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all sides of the argument. You can't sit and say

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we're gonna revolutionize the sport. We're gonna have our own league,

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gonna have this and that and our own titles and

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our own rankings, and we're gonna call all the organizations

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evil and wrong, and we're gonna do our own thing.

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as soon as it's in your financial interest and as

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soon as Turkey Alishik wants to do it, you do

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a one off deal with a fighter who's making ridiculous

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money compared to what everybody else is making. This whole

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thing is hypocrisy. Let me tell you what's going on.

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What's going on is they are a promotional outlet now

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not unlike all the other promotional outlets, and when it

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makes sense for them to do a one off deal,

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they'll pay that fighter of ten million, twenty million whatever.

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this stuff about we're gonna stamp out the other boxing

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promotions and the organizations and we're gonna we're gonna revolutionize boxing.

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I don't need the end of the year. You have

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the answer right now. They are just like all the

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other promoters. When it's in their interest to do a deal,

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they're gonna do a deal just like this for one

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fight with no other further off.

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Speaker 2: But I mean, why would anybody expect anything otherwise?

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Speaker 1: So yeah, because what they have said since this got

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formed is we're not dealing with these other people. We're

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gonna revolution.

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Speaker 2: Say they're not dealing with the with the.

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Speaker 1: Organizations, and we're gonna revolutionize it. Do our own thing,

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our own rankings, our own belts.

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Speaker 2: They but I'm not sure how that's any different.

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Speaker 1: So okay, what this What this demonstrates. What this demonstrates

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is they are no different than top rank boxing. They're

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no different than Golden Boy.

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Speaker 2: They're no different than the reason why they're different is

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because they have actually gotten the United States Congress to

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approve or get on this, and that's not changing the legislation,

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but that's it will make what they do a lot easier.

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Speaker 1: Different argument about whether that should be allowed to go

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on or not.

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Speaker 2: What I'm saying about.

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Speaker 1: Business from a business standpoint.

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Speaker 2: That's good for their business. They are.

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Speaker 1: Right, But this is a boxing promotion that's just going

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to do whatever's in their interest and it doesn't have

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anything to do with a zoofa boxing league.

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Speaker 2: What what what boxing owner doesn't do what's in their interest.

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Speaker 1: But that's what I'm saying to you, So stop talking

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to me about.

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Speaker 2: How they never said in their interest though.

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Speaker 1: But I heard the word we're going to revolutionize this,

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We're going to change it, We're gonna bring it under

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all of it. They are the same, TJ are the same.

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Speaker 2: I've covered boxing for a long time. I've seen and

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in the immortal words. And I'm not saying that Zoofa

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is going to be one of these people, because I

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actually think they're going to be able to be around

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a long time because of the combination of their platform,

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their financing, and the intelligent people that run it. But

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there's plenty of promoters that have come in talk in

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the same way that Zufa had done and throw a

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lot of money around and been gone. In Lickety's stay tuned,

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Speaker 1: I have no idea. I have no idea if they're

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gonna be around. What I do know is Turkey al

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Chic has the money. The Saudi PI.

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Speaker 2: Don't forget they're getting like one hundred million.

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Speaker 1: They are, but they they will burn through that money

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doing deals like this in a hurry on their own

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without Turkey Alosk.

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Speaker 2: But I guarantee you, okay, I can guarantee you that

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it is crazy to pay a Connor Ben fifteen million

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for a regular fighting. I know, I don't know what

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the reason is, but I know there is a reason

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because I know the people that run ZUFA and they're

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smart business people. Okay, well, can anybody will underestimate Nick Kahn?

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Speaker 1: I'm not. All I'm saying to you is enough with

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the whole we're gonna revolutionize it.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna fight enough of that.

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Speaker 1: The second thing is, and this is the incestual part

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of all of this, Turkey alask has what he's doing

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with Rion Season, the Saudi Entertainment Authority and putting these

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fight cards on like what just happened in Las Vegas

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and what happened with the other ring fight card late

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in the year last year, and he's and that's correct

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right in a way. So now now you're in the nebulous,

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confusing thing that this is him making deals under the

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ZUFA umbrella too, and it's all the same thing he's behind.

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Speaker 2: By the way, it's a way around this for them,

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so they can at least keep to their word in

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quotes of not dealing with the organizations, but they will

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if they sign an opataia like they're gonna do, which.

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Speaker 1: I did, which by the way, helped me while I'm here,

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because you just jogged me. You do the best at

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anybody at finding this out. Is Opataia on a multi

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fight deal or is this fight March the eighth of

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one off?

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Speaker 2: He's not a multi fight deal. Okay, very good, But

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here's the here's the point that I'm gonna make though.

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If Turkey al Chik his his side, they're the ones

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funding ZUFA Boxing. Besides you know the one hundred mili

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that they get from Paramount. He also, of course is

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involved with everything related to their ring and Rian Season events.

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to what you said you're gonn to do with your

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so called league, is have the ability to have outs.

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a good thing. Actually, if you sign a Jaio Pataya,

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he's not going to only be within the confines of ZUFA.

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He'll be able to go and fight on a ring card.

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which means they can make deals because Zufa I mean

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not sorry read Season and Ring magazine. The one good

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thing about Turkey is he'll work with all the promoters Okay,

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the card, hold on.

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Speaker 1: I got you. He's been he's been dealing with Bevil,

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he's been dealing with U Sick, he's been with Tyson Fury,

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with all of it. But here we come back to

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the main point, which is they are the same. And

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the reason why UFC has succeeded to the point that

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they have succeeded is that all of the money funnels

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into one organization. The fighters are essentially salarycapped making X

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and we've seen fighter after fighters screaming about fighter pay

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out of UFC. There's been lawsuits involved in a couple

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of them are still ongoing.

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Speaker 2: They also have a big againsts.

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Speaker 1: This is the reason why right Connor McGregor fought that

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fight with Floyd Mayweather, because he made as much money,

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if not more, in the one night with Mayweather than

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he made the entire time he's been in UFC.

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Speaker 2: Much more.

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Speaker 1: This is this is the reason why the UH the

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fighters should be skeptical about the model that was previously

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used because it's gonna cap their money. And I'm just

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I'm gonna sit back and watch all of this. But

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we're we're already here.

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Speaker 2: And you're not tapping Connor Ben's money.

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Speaker 1: It's not capping and so then and so then what

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happens is once the word gets out on how much

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you're paying these guys, you're gonna have a harder time

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with the salary cap and some of the.

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Speaker 2: Other years because a guy like an Obataya that's a

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major league world champion, or a guy like a Connor

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Ben who doesn't have a lot of accomplishment, but as

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a superstar, whether you like it or not, they're gonna

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be getting more money. They deserve more money than a

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guidance they can get right, but.

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Speaker 1: They can get more money from Turkey Alas Sheik without

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being in zooper boxing. They can just do their one offs,

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do their fight deal. So let's just watch all of

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this on full. I'm just sitting back laughing at the hypocrisy.

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Speaker 2: I'm enjoying it. I don't. I don't care for the

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for the constant back and forth between hearing Matt you know,

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Eddie and Oscar de la Joya and Dana ripping each other,

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that's tiresome. I don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't.

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Speaker 2: To me, it's boring. But what I do find interesting

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is the arms race, if you will, in the end,

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it's going to probably end up being good for the

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fighters because of course multiple there's competition.

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Speaker 1: The last three years on the highest end has been

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phenomenal with Turkey Ala Chic And again we should illuminate

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this for the audience because I have understanding outside of boxing,

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like you look at the Live Golf League sure where

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they have lost hundreds of millions of dollars signing all

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of those prominent golfers with a business plan that is

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not obligated to make any money, they can just lose

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hundreds of millions of dollars. They tried a They still

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have a Saudi soccer league and they signed Cristiano Ronaldo

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to that soccer league to a one hundred million dollar

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deal at the end of his career to place two

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soccer seasons Rayfael fifty million a year. That league doesn't

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make anything, they're just losing money.

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Speaker 2: But when they spend that kind of money, it's like

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if you and I went and spent like, you know,

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we had like a ten dollars breakfast.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's not a ten dollar breakfast. But still

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it's ridiculous money for the fighters, and that's good. The

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free market is good. This is the reason why constricting

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the fighters under an umbrella and saying, where you're a promoter,

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where you're a manager, you'll make what we say that

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you're making, and that's it, and we have long term

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deals with you that you have to sign or else.

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Speaker 2: I think what everybody, I think what already has to

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do when they look at the ZUFA situation is you

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just have to understand that there's one sort of boxer.

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You know, young guys still trying to make their way,

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or even older veterans that are maybe on the way out.

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You know, you can talk about some of the prospect

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types that they had on there. You can talk about

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guys that had opportunities in world title fights but haven't

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really gotten over them, like a Seria Boetchin, for example,

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or like a hot Rod collegiate or fighters like that.

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Are a Vodzick that's trying to Alexander Vodzik, the former

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light heavyweight champion, trying to come back like they're at

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a certain point where this is probably the best thing

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for them because they can get regular activity, make reasonable purses,

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and other promoters aren't looking to use them because they

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consisted either not real prospects, ballad guys playing out the

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stray or just looked at his opponents. But then there's

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gonna be the special type of guys who are legit

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stars and money making entities, like like top pound for

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pound level championship fighters like in Opatia, like e Connor

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Ben like others that they're inevitably going to sign in

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the future.

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Speaker 1: And now I got you, yes, And I'm just you

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gotta look at them and keep them saying and I

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look at it this way, and I'm saying it for

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like the third time. Don't talk to me about being

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any different. You're one of them. You're doing the same things.

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I guess.

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Speaker 2: I look at like this TJ. You put you put

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too much stock in their words. I don't believe promoters.

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I agree.

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Speaker 1: I agree with you on that, and we're seeing proof

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of it here