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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the Big Moon Cider Day Abroe with you

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<v Speaker 1>Friday edition of our show. It is the eve of

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<v Speaker 1>game day, and not just any game, and it is

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<v Speaker 1>the beginning of Southeastern Conference play. Tomorrow, the Wildcats take

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<v Speaker 1>on those Florida Gators eleven a m. You'll hear it

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<v Speaker 1>right here on six thirty WLAP. Why eleven am, as

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<v Speaker 1>always television. I don't know any other details, guarantee you

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<v Speaker 1>that's why. So start your day off with Kentucky in

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<v Speaker 1>its first SEC game, and it's gonna be tough. The

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<v Speaker 1>SEC is gonna be a bloodbath all year long. The

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<v Speaker 1>worst team in the league right now in terms of

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<v Speaker 1>win loss record South Carolina at ten and three. I've

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<v Speaker 1>not seen a lot of SEC games other than Kentucky.

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<v Speaker 1>I have to admit I've paid more attention to football.

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<v Speaker 1>But I've seen Alabama play, I've seen Auburn play. Man,

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<v Speaker 1>are they good? It's gonna be tough. I think Kentucky

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<v Speaker 1>has picked the finish middle of the pack that may

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<v Speaker 1>indeed happen. And I know how good the Wildcats have

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<v Speaker 1>looked at times, but we saw what happened against Ohio State.

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<v Speaker 1>Not a great team. Against Clemson, not a great team.

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<v Speaker 1>But on the other hand, we see them come back

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<v Speaker 1>against Gonzaga and Duke. Now those teams played different styles,

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<v Speaker 1>and Clemson and Ohio State not nearly as physical, So

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<v Speaker 1>Kentucky's gonna need to learn to bang and battle in

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<v Speaker 1>the Southeastern Conference. These guys have come together playing together

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<v Speaker 1>for the first time against SEC teams which likewise have

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<v Speaker 1>been cobbled together. But the better teams, of course are

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<v Speaker 1>the veteran ball clubs. So it's gonna be fun. It's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be wild. Just try to be patient because everything

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<v Speaker 1>now is so vitally pointing toward March. And you got

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<v Speaker 1>tired of hearing that with John Caliperi, But that's because

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<v Speaker 1>his teams were so up and down, I think with

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<v Speaker 1>those true freshmen. But it's gonna be fun. Of all else,

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<v Speaker 1>it's gonna be fun, and you'll hear it right here.

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<v Speaker 1>Speaking of fun, how much fun was last night's UK

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<v Speaker 1>women's game. Kentucky opened up SEC playing the women's side,

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<v Speaker 1>blew out Mississippi State ninety one to sixty nine, and

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<v Speaker 1>State kept trying to come back, trying to come back.

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<v Speaker 1>Kentucky went on a run late first half early second half,

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<v Speaker 1>but Mississippi State kept getting to the basket and making shots.

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<v Speaker 1>Fortunately for the Wildcats, the Bulldog could not hit three pointers.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's what Kentucky did better than it ever has.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, Wildcats has set a record eighteen made three pointers,

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<v Speaker 1>the previous record sixteen set four years ago. In twenty twenty,

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<v Speaker 1>Kentucky has made at least ten triples in three of

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<v Speaker 1>its last four games. And this is not a team

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<v Speaker 1>that at the beginning of the year we heard, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>they're gonna shoot a lot of threes, They're gonna make

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of threes the way we did the men's team.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's happening that way. It's the fifth time Kentucky's

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<v Speaker 1>made at least three ten threes in games this season.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not gonna live and die with the three pointers.

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<v Speaker 1>It's gonna live and die with what the Cats can

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<v Speaker 1>get done in the paint. And Kentucky did a great

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<v Speaker 1>job last night because the three pointer opened up the

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<v Speaker 1>paint for the Wildcats. But Kentucky with all that side

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<v Speaker 1>Clara Strack and Silva and Key, they did the job

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<v Speaker 1>last night against Mississippi State. Ninety one points tied for

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<v Speaker 1>the largest margin of victory for Kentucky and an SEC opener,

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<v Speaker 1>and was the most points scored in an SEC opener

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<v Speaker 1>in the history of UK women's basketball, So all kinds

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<v Speaker 1>of milestones. Last night, Dojah Lawrence had a game I

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<v Speaker 1>and season I twenty eight points three I'm sorry, seven

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<v Speaker 1>three pointers, their second twenty point game this season. Of course,

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<v Speaker 1>Georgia Amore the outstanding point guard I had twenty seven points.

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<v Speaker 1>She had seven three pointers and she hit a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of hers on the run. Lawrence was spotting up in

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<v Speaker 1>the corner or on the wings, did a great job

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<v Speaker 1>doing that. Aymore, of course, is perpetual motion and not

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<v Speaker 1>only hitting shots. She had nine assists for the second

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<v Speaker 1>straight game, by the way, first player in program history

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<v Speaker 1>to have at least twenty seven points and nine assists

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<v Speaker 1>in the same game, so watching her shoot on the

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<v Speaker 1>run pretty incredible. She will be the head of the snake.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, most point guards are for SEC opponents coming in,

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<v Speaker 1>but then you get Amelia Hasset, who can score from outside.

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<v Speaker 1>The birthday girl. She had three three pointers and Taoni

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<v Speaker 1>Key was absolutely wicked tough on the boards ten points,

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<v Speaker 1>thirteen rebounds, tied to a career high, and had her

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<v Speaker 1>sixth double double this season. Clara Strack sixty five, seven points,

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<v Speaker 1>eleven rebounds. So Kentucky looked good last night. Kentucky now

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<v Speaker 1>twelve and one. Next up for the women Vanderbilt in

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<v Speaker 1>Nashville on Sunday three o'clock. You'll hear it right here

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<v Speaker 1>with Darren Heddrick. It'll be on SEC Plus as well,

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<v Speaker 1>justin Rowland the catch illustrated. We'll talk Kentucky football for

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<v Speaker 1>the most part. We're going to talk about the portal

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<v Speaker 1>and how the Wildcats had done so far. A little

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<v Speaker 1>bit later on Christy Thomas at the SEC Network. She

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<v Speaker 1>worked last night's game. Scott Brown, a freelance writer who

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<v Speaker 1>wrote Reggie Wharford. Scott Brown, a freelance writer who wrote

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<v Speaker 1>a book about Reggie Wharford, the first African American basketball

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<v Speaker 1>player at Kentucky to graduate, will join us in nowur

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<v Speaker 1>number two and a few minutes. We're going to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about Eddie grand because I posted something on Twitter that

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<v Speaker 1>got all kinds of responses from UK fans good and

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<v Speaker 1>bad about Eddie Grant. Really interesting, but I got to

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<v Speaker 1>share with you. I comment from a man, Charles Barkley,

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<v Speaker 1>who was kind of going back and forth via Inside

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<v Speaker 1>the NBA on TNT with JJ Riddick, who claims that,

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<v Speaker 1>among other things, NBA ratings TV ratings are down because

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<v Speaker 1>of the criticism of the product. On TNT, Sir Charles

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<v Speaker 1>clap back at him.

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<v Speaker 2>She's just talking about TV. He said something about with

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<v Speaker 2>the reason people aren't watching this craftic product we got JJ. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I like we out.

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<v Speaker 1>There jacking up one hundred trees to night. JJ. I

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<v Speaker 1>don know Jason Monroe.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know who that is, but JJ, you come

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<v Speaker 3>for the king.

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<v Speaker 1>You been not missed.

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<v Speaker 2>And I can't get you, brother, because I got Remember,

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<v Speaker 2>I got your Lakers games.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't hope them flaws.

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<v Speaker 4>They got.

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<v Speaker 2>You just a dead man walking. They got rid of

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<v Speaker 2>Frank Vogel, who did a good job.

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<v Speaker 1>They got rid of Darbnham, who did a good job.

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<v Speaker 1>But you came out that thing and you were gonna

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<v Speaker 1>change things with that same ugly girl you went on

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<v Speaker 1>to hate with.

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<v Speaker 4>Sixty fifty one was your halftime score.

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<v Speaker 2>We get back to the highlights. I think it came

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<v Speaker 2>in at thinking I can make this thing worse. Here.

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<v Speaker 2>You can.

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<v Speaker 4>Legus steak Man, okay Man Tatum.

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, I love it and Charles ain't wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody jacking up threes now, but everybody's trying to be

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<v Speaker 1>like the Warriors. And if you don't have Steph Curry

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<v Speaker 1>and Klay Thompson and Steve Kurr running the show, you

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<v Speaker 1>ain't gonna look like that NBA champion Warriors. So Barkley

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<v Speaker 1>coming from the top rope and I love it. We'll

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<v Speaker 1>talk Eddie grand next on six thirty w l A p.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to the Big Blue and Sider. I wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to go over some tweets that have popped up in

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<v Speaker 1>my profile because the other day somebody posted a clip

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<v Speaker 1>from gosh, what was it twenty nineteen when Lynn Bowden

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<v Speaker 1>ran for ran all over the SEC and helped leat

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<v Speaker 1>Kentucky to the Belk Bowl victory, And that entire season

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<v Speaker 1>was just so weird because you know what happened. All

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<v Speaker 1>Kentucky's quarterbacks went down and they stick Bowden in a

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<v Speaker 1>quarterback and he just took over and the Kentucky offense,

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<v Speaker 1>they completely changed the offense. Yeah, a lot of it

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<v Speaker 1>was Lynn doing things, but it was also the offensive

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<v Speaker 1>line in formations and play calling and a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>of passing, including the last play of the Belk Bowl,

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<v Speaker 1>the last offensive play for Kentucky when Bowden throws a

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<v Speaker 1>touchdown pass and I tweeted, I retweeted the clips. Somebody

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<v Speaker 1>had shared the highlights from the Belkboll. In fact, it

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<v Speaker 1>was the Kentucky Network, not the UK network, but whoever

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<v Speaker 1>goes by that. And I just tweeted, Eddie gran We'll

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<v Speaker 1>never get enough credit for what he did with the

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<v Speaker 1>offense that season. Boy did it touch off reaction. It

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<v Speaker 1>was really kind of fun to see it kind of

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<v Speaker 1>come pouring in and Darren Ininshaw was involved in that

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<v Speaker 1>as well as quarterbacks coach. I got close to one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and fifty responses to that post. It was a repost,

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<v Speaker 1>a reach twheet. Most of them were supportive, agreed with me.

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<v Speaker 1>Many of them didn't. And I thought that was interesting

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<v Speaker 1>because there were so many people who complained about Eddie

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<v Speaker 1>Grand and ripped him of course on his way out.

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<v Speaker 1>So I thought, what am I forgetting? Am I forgetting

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<v Speaker 1>something about Eddie Grant? And that season when Bowden took over,

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<v Speaker 1>like I said, it was more than just give Lynn

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<v Speaker 1>the ball and get out of his way. No, there

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<v Speaker 1>were actual plays called. As I said there and many

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<v Speaker 1>of them involved run pass options and the option usually

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<v Speaker 1>you know Lynn running the football. But like I said,

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<v Speaker 1>they had to alter formations and blocking schemes and things

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<v Speaker 1>like that downfield blocking by receivers. It was an absolute

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<v Speaker 1>team effort. And a lot of people pointed out they

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<v Speaker 1>said our offensive line was really good that year, and

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<v Speaker 1>it was. It was, But do not conflate that old

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<v Speaker 1>line from that year with the best on line Kentucky

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<v Speaker 1>said in my opinion, which was the Will Leviswandelle Robinson year,

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<v Speaker 1>which was what twenty twenty one. But it was good.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it was developing. There were a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>good players, young guys, depth, that sort of thing. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>the old line was good, no question. And if you

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<v Speaker 1>ask me, the offensive line problems have been number one

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<v Speaker 1>on a UK football list. All of you out there

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<v Speaker 1>who are and I would think that's all of you

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<v Speaker 1>Kentucky football fans who have been very frustrated over the

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<v Speaker 1>last three years, really because seven wins that's not enough anymore,

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<v Speaker 1>is it. Most of it I think goes back to

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<v Speaker 1>the old line. I'm not laying it at the feet

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<v Speaker 1>of any particular coach or player. I'm just saying that

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<v Speaker 1>because of the portal, and because of different recruiting successes

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<v Speaker 1>and near missus, Kentucky has not been able to put

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<v Speaker 1>together the kind of offensive lineman room that it takes

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<v Speaker 1>to go back to playing the way it used to

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<v Speaker 1>it and I don't know if it ever will. Quite frankly,

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<v Speaker 1>because of the portal. Young players don't stick around now

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<v Speaker 1>and work on their game to the point where it

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<v Speaker 1>might be their junior year before they can play. They

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<v Speaker 1>can go out and get more minutes and more money elsewhere.

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<v Speaker 1>They won't be as good for the most part. But

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<v Speaker 1>how do you put a group together? And this isn't

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<v Speaker 1>just Kentucky. Everybody's having the same issues. But let me

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<v Speaker 1>remind you, and again, I don't need to carry Eddy

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<v Speaker 1>Grand's water. His resumes for itself, the job he did

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<v Speaker 1>at Auburn, the job he did at Cincinnati, and the

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<v Speaker 1>job he did at Kentucky. And I bring up Cincinnati

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<v Speaker 1>because you might recall Mark Stoops was looking for an

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<v Speaker 1>offensive identity. He tried a form of the air raid

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<v Speaker 1>when he got here, and he later admitted he shouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>have that that was more of a marketing thing. That's

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<v Speaker 1>not who he is. He's a play action guy who

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<v Speaker 1>likes to run the ball first, but they've got to

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<v Speaker 1>be able to throw the ball down the field. And again,

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<v Speaker 1>recall Eddie Grant and Darren Hinshaw get here fully expect

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<v Speaker 1>so many different offensive categories including running the ball and

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<v Speaker 1>down at Florida. And what happened after that? They turned

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<v Speaker 1>last minute named Steven Johnson, and Steven showed up knowing

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<v Speaker 1>out to Barker. But the next thing you know, they're

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<v Speaker 1>And Kentucky ends up going seven and six that year

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<v Speaker 1>in the regular season. But what happened at the end

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<v Speaker 1>of the year, Wildcats upset Louisville four touchdown underdogs and

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<v Speaker 1>beat Lamar Jackson and the Louisville Cardinals the Heisman Trophy

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<v Speaker 1>winner forty one thirty eight on the last second field

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<v Speaker 1>goal by Austin McGinnis. And people, well, Lamar Jackson fumbled

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<v Speaker 1>in Kentucky. Yeah, but you know what, Benny Snell had

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<v Speaker 1>fumbled and given the ball to Louisville, and Louisville fumbled

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<v Speaker 1>it right back. And then the Cats go on and

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<v Speaker 1>losing a ballgame to Georgia Tech. But what did job

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<v Speaker 1>Steven Johnson did? And again Eddie Grant, Darren Henshaw. They

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<v Speaker 1>grabbed this Juco kid who was when he got to

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<v Speaker 1>Kentucky maybe won sixty one sixty five, he admitted later

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<v Speaker 1>he was listed in one seventy five or one eighty.

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<v Speaker 1>But you could look at him and see. And I

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<v Speaker 1>helped produce the documentary on Stephen called Hartible Wildcat. And

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<v Speaker 1>there were more people, including the training staff, coaches, teammates

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<v Speaker 1>who said it was the toughest kid I've ever played with,

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<v Speaker 1>a scrawny little quarterback. But again there's Eddie Grand's fingerprints

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<v Speaker 1>on that season. Yeah, it eventually went sour and it

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<v Speaker 1>was interesting. Not long ago, Mark Stoops admitted that after

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<v Speaker 1>six and really struggled at times on offense, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's weird they get They put up forty one against

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<v Speaker 1>South Carolina and ended up winning the bowl game against

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<v Speaker 1>North Carolina State. But Grant realized they had to make

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<v Speaker 1>when they made the change. But it's interesting to me

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<v Speaker 1>how people remember. Of course, it's like anything in sports.

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<v Speaker 1>Bowden and when I mentioned Eddie Grant, and of course

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<v Speaker 1>he's back with a program. I don't think he has

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<v Speaker 1>a title, but he's sort of the general manager. He

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<v Speaker 1>and you will not see a person on that sideline

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<v Speaker 1>more involved emotionally and mentally. Who's not calling plays than

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<v Speaker 1>Eddie Grant. I see him before each game. I see

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<v Speaker 1>him on the sidelines. He kind of stands on the

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<v Speaker 1>edge of the coaching box and he talks to players.

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<v Speaker 1>He doesn't coach him up, but he just talks to

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<v Speaker 1>him and you know, gets written all over his face.

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<v Speaker 1>How deeply involved he is still with UK football even

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<v Speaker 1>though he's not on the coaching staff anymore. But you know,

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<v Speaker 1>catch up with some of the comments that poured in

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<v Speaker 1>after they saw the video of Lynn Bowden running all

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<v Speaker 1>over Virginia Tech and what was a great game? Remember

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<v Speaker 1>up for the Wildcats. So all right, we're gonna shift

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<v Speaker 1>back to basketball when we come back in some football

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<v Speaker 1>as well. Here are the Big Moon Sider six thirty

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<v Speaker 1>Wlap Welcome back to the Big bon Sider, joining us

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<v Speaker 1>now as a longtime friend of the show. You see

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<v Speaker 1>his work with Cats illustrated. He is Justin Rowland, who

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<v Speaker 1>has been covering Kentucky sports for quite a while. Justin

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<v Speaker 1>Happy New Year to you you as well did This

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<v Speaker 1>is obviously basketball season. We're still talking football because of

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<v Speaker 1>the playoffs, but now with a portal door spinning like

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<v Speaker 1>a windmill and the players coming and going, it's really

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<v Speaker 1>a fascinating time, isn't it for college football? If you

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<v Speaker 1>if you can put a motion aside, just just watching

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<v Speaker 1>everything from as you can kids like to say, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>It sure is. I mean, you think about the excitement

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<v Speaker 4>that there used to be on like National Signing Day.

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<v Speaker 4>It's almost like signing Day is like a year round thing,

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<v Speaker 4>or at least for a couple of months, and it's

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<v Speaker 4>like immediately important. It's not like we're going to sign

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<v Speaker 4>these guys in three years from now they might be

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<v Speaker 4>we're going to sign these guys, and these guys are

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<v Speaker 4>going to from in how our next season goes. The

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<v Speaker 4>problem is people are are kind of worried about next season,

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<v Speaker 4>but in the long term, it makes the sport more

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<v Speaker 4>exciting year round.

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<v Speaker 1>And it keeps guys like you on your toes because

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<v Speaker 1>you dig in and you research and you and your

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<v Speaker 1>folks on your website with rivals are on top of

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<v Speaker 1>the folks coming in and you tweeted, I guess it

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<v Speaker 1>was last night about a new running back for Kentucky.

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<v Speaker 1>What do we want to know about? Is a Dante Dowdell.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, Dante Dadell Nebraska running and I mean they

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<v Speaker 4>up on. But he was a highly regarded recruit two

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<v Speaker 4>years ago and he signed with Oregon. He went to

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<v Speaker 4>Oregon and they were pretty loaded in the backfield. He

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<v Speaker 4>still got seventeen carries, so even Oregon recognized his talent

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<v Speaker 4>and he transferred to Nebraska after last year at Nebraska

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<v Speaker 4>he scored twelve touchdowns and he was a great short

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<v Speaker 4>And he would have yeah, he would have been part

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<v Speaker 4>combination at Nebraska and they would have loved to have

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<v Speaker 4>him back in Nebraska. Matt Rule brought Dabtele in because

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<v Speaker 4>Matt Rules said, we have to have a physical culture

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<v Speaker 4>of physical mentality and doubt all is a guy who's

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<v Speaker 4>just going to try to run right through you, and

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<v Speaker 4>he runs hard, he runs fast. He's not going to

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<v Speaker 4>shake in bake you. He's not going to miss many tackles,

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<v Speaker 4>but he's going to run through some tackles. And that's

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<v Speaker 4>the role he'll fill at Kentucky. Also, you figure they'd

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<v Speaker 4>have a thunder enlightening thing going with Jamry and Wilcox

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Will you talk about a need though, just in

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<v Speaker 1>a physical back, you know, and that's only brought home

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<v Speaker 1>even more by watching Chris Rodriguez play in the NFL. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>it was amazing how how often Kentucky needed that this

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<v Speaker 4>That's right, Yeah, it's it's not common. It's uncommon to

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<v Speaker 4>see Kentucky struggle in those short yardage situations. But you

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<v Speaker 4>know that's the byproduct of the offensive line struggles and

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<v Speaker 4>they didn't have that power back option this year. I

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<v Speaker 4>think going into this season, you feel better about Dowdell

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<v Speaker 4>and Wilcox than you felt about Demy and a less

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<v Speaker 4>proven Wilcox. You feel better about the running back.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, Well he's got to run behind some talent.

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<v Speaker 1>He's got to run behind an O line that gets

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<v Speaker 1>last three years. They bringing a kid from Arkansas who

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<v Speaker 1>has played in the SEC, but obviously that's that's no guarantee.

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<v Speaker 1>What do we know about Braun and anybody else they're

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, Braun. Braun is the kind of guy that they

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<v Speaker 4>could send the SEC media day and he's a very

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<v Speaker 4>good interview He's very well spoken, he's very intelligent, and

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<v Speaker 4>he's a he's a good culture guy. He was All

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<v Speaker 4>SEC two years ago, right, one of the better, one

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<v Speaker 4>of the better players on Arkansas's offensive line in twenty

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<v Speaker 4>twenty three, he wasn't one of their very best offensive

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<v Speaker 4>linemen this year. And my understanding is he probably needs

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<v Speaker 4>to lose a few pounds to hit peak performance. But

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<v Speaker 4>this is a guy that played a ton of snaps

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<v Speaker 4>in the SEC, started at Florida, went to Arkansas, and

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<v Speaker 4>I just think he's a set it, forget it, legitimate

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<v Speaker 4>SEC starter at guard. And so bringing him in means

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<v Speaker 4>they're going to have four new starters on the line

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<v Speaker 4>instead of three, because it wasn't a given they would

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<v Speaker 1>And they've got the kid from New Mexico. They got

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<v Speaker 1>a kid from from the MAC from Bowling Green. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we've seen in this work. We've seen it not work.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know they're going to have to learn to

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<v Speaker 1>play in the SEC, aren't they.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah. Alex Wolfschlager was a first team All MAC player

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<v Speaker 4>at Bowling Green. Is their right tackle this year and

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<v Speaker 4>I guess the question is do they have their left

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<v Speaker 4>tackle or not. You know, we've seen you got to

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<v Speaker 4>going to struggle. Wolfschlager could play right tackle. The offensive

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<v Speaker 4>right tackle, but I'm not sure if either one of

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<v Speaker 4>that's that's the spot they definitely need to lock down,

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<v Speaker 4>no matter.

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<v Speaker 1>Who they're protecting, and it's it going to be either

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<v Speaker 4>And he didn't play at first, but he wasn't expected to.

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<v Speaker 4>That was a pretty talented A and M team. Eight

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<v Speaker 4>and four. Going eight and four for Jimbo is about

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<v Speaker 4>what he did there. And so he had some games

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<v Speaker 4>where he really struggled, probably playing a head of schedule,

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<v Speaker 4>but then he beat Alabama and Mark Passwaters, he covers

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<v Speaker 4>Texas A and M on rivals, told me it was

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<v Speaker 4>the best game he's ever seen a quarterback play, just

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<v Speaker 4>just hitting every spot on the field, just an electric

425
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<v Speaker 4>clutch performance. And he was hurt and went back into

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<v Speaker 4>the game hurt and led them to victory over Alabama,

427
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<v Speaker 4>and they beat South Carolina, they beat I want to

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<v Speaker 4>say Missouri, and so he had some moments. He's got

429
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<v Speaker 4>a great arm, he can run, but he's got to no,

430
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<v Speaker 4>he can't fit the ball into every window, and he's

431
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<v Speaker 4>got to know that he's got to make good decisions.

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<v Speaker 4>So I would say Vandigrid is almost kind of the prototype.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, I'm not saying he's going to be Vandergriff,

434
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<v Speaker 4>but they're similar players in some respect.

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<v Speaker 1>Well without protection It doesn't matter what he is or

436
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<v Speaker 1>who he is. We'll never know what Rock Vandergriff might

437
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<v Speaker 1>have been. But Calzada, I know, played at the FCS level,

438
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<v Speaker 1>which is around here where Eastern Kentucky plays. When he

439
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<v Speaker 1>was at Incarnate Word, and having covered that level for

440
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<v Speaker 1>quite a while, I can tell you it's more about

441
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<v Speaker 1>speed than size. But you said going to make plays,

442
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<v Speaker 1>and he had good numbers at Incarnate Words.

443
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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, he put up good numbers his first year there,

444
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<v Speaker 4>and he could have gone into the portal to go

445
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<v Speaker 4>to another place, but he stuck around for another year.

446
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<v Speaker 4>Incarnate Word is where cam Ward attended before he went

447
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<v Speaker 4>to Washington State before he went to Miami, and so

448
00:25:49.359 --> 00:25:53.039
<v Speaker 4>they liked the development the quarterback history there and he

449
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<v Speaker 4>came out this year and he hit even more big plays.

450
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<v Speaker 4>He was even more efficient. He protected the ball a

451
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<v Speaker 4>little bit better. He's got to protect the football, that's key,

452
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<v Speaker 4>you know it. With a new offensive line questions around him,

453
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<v Speaker 4>he's gonna make some big plays, but he's got to

454
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<v Speaker 4>cut down on the number of kind of turnover worthy

455
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<v Speaker 4>plays and it's gonna be interesting. One thing he is

456
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<v Speaker 4>a lot more than vander Griff is experience he's got

457
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<v Speaker 4>a lot of experience at the college level.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And by the way, if that sounds familiar in

459
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<v Speaker 1>Carnate wered Kentucky baseball fans know, that's where Grant Smith,

460
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<v Speaker 1>the shortstop played before he transferred to Kentucky and became

461
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<v Speaker 1>one of the best in the country. We're talking with

462
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<v Speaker 1>Justin Rowland of Cats illustrated of course about the transfer portal.

463
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<v Speaker 1>A lot of guys on defense coming through as well. Justin.

464
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<v Speaker 1>They've really got some needs, especially at linebacker, but d well,

465
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<v Speaker 1>everybody needs d lineman, but especially I think at linebacker.

466
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<v Speaker 1>Do you see it that way?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, well, I mean we've gotten so used to having

468
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<v Speaker 4>headliner names that find that's right, and how long has

469
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<v Speaker 4>Weaver been around? And but just guy Jamin Dumus Johnson,

470
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<v Speaker 4>and you had DeAndre Square and Deeric Jackson and Trevin Wallace.

471
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<v Speaker 4>They've had a lot of a lot of years that

472
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<v Speaker 4>were a luxury there up the middle, not just with

473
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<v Speaker 4>good starters that they've had pretty good depth there. So

474
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<v Speaker 4>you bring back probably Davyn Rayner and he's somebody that

475
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<v Speaker 4>you hope your starter level contributions. And Landon Watson comes

476
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<v Speaker 4>in where he was a starter at Marshall last year,

477
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<v Speaker 4>and that's one of the great questions for me. How

478
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<v Speaker 4>did the defensive players coming in translate? Watson has only

479
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<v Speaker 4>played really one year as a starter at Marshall, and

480
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<v Speaker 4>so he's going to be presumably a starting inside linebacker

481
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<v Speaker 4>at Kentucky and how he handles that is going to

482
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<v Speaker 4>be big. But I like the edge defenders they brought

483
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<v Speaker 4>in at linebacker. Cameron Olds at kent State had a

484
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<v Speaker 4>breakout season with six sacks, and he was a pretty

485
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<v Speaker 4>coveted player. And then on the other side, Sam Green

486
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<v Speaker 4>coming in from USC He played about as much for

487
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<v Speaker 4>the First Southern cal as Tyree Spear replayed for Kentucky.

488
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<v Speaker 4>So he's ready to step up into a starters level role.

489
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<v Speaker 4>And he had some flashes, some splash plays. So Green

490
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<v Speaker 4>and Cameron Olds helped the situation at edge. But I'm

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<v Speaker 4>with you, linebacker is a question.

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<v Speaker 1>Justin Rowland is my guest. We're going to come back

493
00:28:04.279 --> 00:28:06.759
<v Speaker 1>and talk a little more football on talks and basketball

494
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<v Speaker 1>as well in the eve of the SEC season for

495
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<v Speaker 1>the Wildcats and everybody else. It's the big blooming cider

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<v Speaker 1>of six thirty WLAP welcome back. We're talking with Justin

497
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<v Speaker 1>Rowland of Cats illustrated and part of the Rivals Network.

498
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<v Speaker 1>The playoffs in full swing, now controversial justin entertaining to

499
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<v Speaker 1>be sure. The top four seeds have all been knocked out.

500
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<v Speaker 1>Greg Sank is now speaking out about the fact, reminding

501
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<v Speaker 1>people that the current format was built for a college

502
00:28:37.119 --> 00:28:41.960
<v Speaker 1>football landscape that included Back then, the PAC twelve was

503
00:28:42.000 --> 00:28:46.079
<v Speaker 1>considered a Power five conference. Now he's talking about making changes,

504
00:28:46.119 --> 00:28:48.839
<v Speaker 1>and we had to figure this would happen, the receding

505
00:28:48.880 --> 00:28:53.039
<v Speaker 1>and all that, you know, because look, Notre Dame underseeded,

506
00:28:53.079 --> 00:28:57.359
<v Speaker 1>Ohio State underseeded, things like that. But have you enjoyed

507
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<v Speaker 1>what you've seen.

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<v Speaker 4>So farsolutely I've enjoyed it. I think it's interesting that

509
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<v Speaker 4>we get the twelve team playoffs at the same time

510
00:29:07.039 --> 00:29:10.480
<v Speaker 4>that NIL and the portal have really changed the sport,

511
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<v Speaker 4>because it seems like it's made it more difficult to

512
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<v Speaker 4>build one of those super teams that Kirby and Saban

513
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<v Speaker 4>have had recently. Now it's a one year sample. If

514
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<v Speaker 4>you look at the best teams now, the four best

515
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<v Speaker 4>teams less standing now do not appear to be on

516
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<v Speaker 4>the level of recent national championship teams in my opinion,

517
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<v Speaker 4>so that's no knock on Penn State or Notre Dame,

518
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<v Speaker 4>And I think you can make the case that Notre

519
00:29:33.839 --> 00:29:37.359
<v Speaker 4>Dame would be an interesting national champion. That would you know,

520
00:29:37.400 --> 00:29:39.640
<v Speaker 4>a generation have to deal with that that hasn't had

521
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<v Speaker 4>two for But you know, I feel like we knew

522
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<v Speaker 4>that the format was not going to be the best

523
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<v Speaker 4>for maximizing the number of SEC teams in, and eventually

524
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<v Speaker 4>it seems like Sinkie wants that to evolve more to

525
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<v Speaker 4>where the sport is in other respects. But the secason

526
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<v Speaker 4>so down this year. They really don't have room to talk.

527
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<v Speaker 4>And in this year they really have been a down conference,

528
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<v Speaker 4>the most down that I think it's been in at

529
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<v Speaker 4>least fifteen years, certainly not like we've seen the conference

530
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<v Speaker 4>for the last twenty. And the big question for me

531
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<v Speaker 4>is is the Big ten just ultimately going to beat

532
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<v Speaker 4>a big winner from NIL because those schools have just

533
00:30:18.240 --> 00:30:22.319
<v Speaker 4>as much money as the SEC. They just haven't had

534
00:30:22.400 --> 00:30:26.279
<v Speaker 4>the geography, they just haven't been where the best players are.

535
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<v Speaker 4>And so I think my hot take is that the

536
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<v Speaker 4>Big Ten is just going to be the long term

537
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<v Speaker 4>big winner from NIL.

538
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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

539
00:30:34.079 --> 00:30:36.839
<v Speaker 4>But the SEC will get more teams in normally than

540
00:30:36.839 --> 00:30:37.519
<v Speaker 4>they did this year.

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<v Speaker 1>What did you think of Arizona State Texas now they're sewing.

542
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<v Speaker 1>It was a terrible I thought, no call on targeting,

543
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<v Speaker 1>which absolutely affected the game. And what were your thoughts

544
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<v Speaker 1>when you saw that happen?

545
00:30:53.839 --> 00:30:57.599
<v Speaker 4>Terrible? I mean, they're I mean the coach said after that,

546
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<v Speaker 4>I don't even know what constitutes targeting, what targeting is.

547
00:31:01.079 --> 00:31:03.599
<v Speaker 4>You know, you're never going to take human error completely

548
00:31:03.640 --> 00:31:05.400
<v Speaker 4>out of the game. You can try to account for it,

549
00:31:05.480 --> 00:31:08.000
<v Speaker 4>you can try to put guardrails and technology in place,

550
00:31:08.039 --> 00:31:09.480
<v Speaker 4>but human error is always going to be a part

551
00:31:09.480 --> 00:31:11.359
<v Speaker 4>of the game and it's unfortunate that it would happen

552
00:31:11.799 --> 00:31:14.039
<v Speaker 4>on a stage like that. But crazy to see Texas

553
00:31:14.119 --> 00:31:17.440
<v Speaker 4>rally from down fourth and thirteen, needing a score to win.

554
00:31:18.839 --> 00:31:23.079
<v Speaker 4>You blink and they're up by eight. This wild, wild format.

555
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<v Speaker 1>My takes always get the easy ones, right, and that

556
00:31:25.319 --> 00:31:28.279
<v Speaker 1>one seemed easy. But it just yeah, they just couldn't

557
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<v Speaker 1>pull the trigger on Well, let me shift it to basketball.

558
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<v Speaker 1>In the time we have re many You were talking

559
00:31:32.519 --> 00:31:36.119
<v Speaker 1>about the SEC and the strength of the conference in football.

560
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<v Speaker 1>Is the basketball conference at men's basketball? Do you think

561
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<v Speaker 1>it's really that strong or is it just a matter

562
00:31:43.839 --> 00:31:46.559
<v Speaker 1>of so many teams scheduled. Well, if you had a

563
00:31:46.640 --> 00:31:47.440
<v Speaker 1>chance to see.

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<v Speaker 4>Much, I think it's really that strong. Yeah, I've watched

565
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<v Speaker 4>a good amount and the number of teams that you

566
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<v Speaker 4>could see going to the Elite eight, I mean, compared

567
00:31:56.880 --> 00:31:58.960
<v Speaker 4>to the rest of the country, just the quality of

568
00:31:59.000 --> 00:32:02.880
<v Speaker 4>play is astounding. I mean, there really is kind of

569
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<v Speaker 4>like one of those best years for the Big Ten,

570
00:32:05.440 --> 00:32:07.680
<v Speaker 4>or best years for the ACC or best years for

571
00:32:07.720 --> 00:32:10.160
<v Speaker 4>the Big East. The SEC is at that level. And

572
00:32:10.200 --> 00:32:13.400
<v Speaker 4>you know, but we've seen so many years where the

573
00:32:13.440 --> 00:32:16.519
<v Speaker 4>SEC just didn't take care of business in the non conference,

574
00:32:16.559 --> 00:32:20.279
<v Speaker 4>and then this year they are excellent in the non

575
00:32:20.319 --> 00:32:23.319
<v Speaker 4>conference schedule, and so now you're in a situation where

576
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<v Speaker 4>even if the teams in the league go up and down,

577
00:32:27.319 --> 00:32:30.759
<v Speaker 4>even if some of them disappoint, the resumes are already

578
00:32:30.799 --> 00:32:34.319
<v Speaker 4>always such that like all those resumes are versus the

579
00:32:34.359 --> 00:32:37.640
<v Speaker 4>other conference. So really you're guaranteed a lot of Quad

580
00:32:37.720 --> 00:32:39.599
<v Speaker 4>one opportunities the rest of the way.

581
00:32:39.759 --> 00:32:42.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's my concern for the league is that they're

582
00:32:42.319 --> 00:32:44.880
<v Speaker 1>going to start obviously beating each other up right now,

583
00:32:45.920 --> 00:32:48.720
<v Speaker 1>and so their record won't be quite as glittering as

584
00:32:48.759 --> 00:32:52.839
<v Speaker 1>it is now. But are the committee, people paying close enough,

585
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<v Speaker 1>paying the attention they need to pay. You know what

586
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<v Speaker 1>I'm saying, eyeballing these teams when it comes time to

587
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<v Speaker 1>make decisions.

588
00:33:00.440 --> 00:33:03.079
<v Speaker 4>I think they are unless there's an inherent built in

589
00:33:03.680 --> 00:33:06.880
<v Speaker 4>anti SEC bias, which I don't think that there is.

590
00:33:07.000 --> 00:33:09.400
<v Speaker 4>Might have been a built in anti Calipari bias in

591
00:33:09.440 --> 00:33:13.920
<v Speaker 4>the seeding, but not SEC anti Calipari bias, I would say,

592
00:33:13.920 --> 00:33:19.599
<v Speaker 4>but I think they seeded the Big ten like that before.

593
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<v Speaker 4>We've seen years when the Big Ten would have like

594
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<v Speaker 4>eleven or twelve of the top twenty five teams on

595
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<v Speaker 4>kN Palm and it is ultimately reflected in the seedy

596
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<v Speaker 4>and I think that it will be.

597
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<v Speaker 1>Have you seen Arkansas play much? What do you think

598
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<v Speaker 1>of what's happening out there in Fadble earlier.

599
00:33:34.240 --> 00:33:38.160
<v Speaker 4>In the season. Adu has really taken his game to

600
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<v Speaker 4>other When I've watched Hero play, I mean, he's he's

601
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<v Speaker 4>going to be a really good player. He's going to

602
00:33:43.039 --> 00:33:46.480
<v Speaker 4>be a pro, and he would be really good on

603
00:33:46.519 --> 00:33:50.000
<v Speaker 4>this Kentucky team, just adding something that they don't have.

604
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<v Speaker 4>But I wonder how far those guards are going to

605
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<v Speaker 4>take him. I don't think John L. Davis unless he's

606
00:33:55.559 --> 00:33:58.559
<v Speaker 4>turned it around completely. Has been quite the fit that

607
00:33:58.599 --> 00:34:00.960
<v Speaker 4>they expected him to be, and Jay Wagner has had

608
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<v Speaker 4>some moments. But I just don't know. I just don't

609
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<v Speaker 4>know that they're built quite the way the team. Same

610
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<v Speaker 4>question we've had with other Calipari teams. Are they built

611
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<v Speaker 4>the way that you want to win at the highest level?

612
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<v Speaker 4>But they'll there'll be a tournament team and they they

613
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<v Speaker 4>have the potential to come in and win it. Run

614
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<v Speaker 4>that were to happen, it would be interesting to see

615
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<v Speaker 4>their reaction.

616
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<v Speaker 1>But what do you think of the way this Kentucky

617
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<v Speaker 1>team's built.

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<v Speaker 4>I like it. I like how Pope has pretty much

619
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<v Speaker 4>two of everything. He's got a lot of flexibility. He's

620
00:34:31.480 --> 00:34:35.599
<v Speaker 4>got to get the rotations right. But ultimately, how they

621
00:34:35.639 --> 00:34:39.440
<v Speaker 4>respond to physical defense, I think is going to be

622
00:34:39.480 --> 00:34:41.079
<v Speaker 4>a lot of it. We've seen that as a question

623
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<v Speaker 4>for another Kentucky team or two recently. But how do

624
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<v Speaker 4>you respond when they get in your face and they

625
00:34:45.760 --> 00:34:47.599
<v Speaker 4>make it harder to run your offense? And that's when

626
00:34:47.599 --> 00:34:49.679
<v Speaker 4>they've been a little bit more inconsistent. Not everybody can

627
00:34:49.679 --> 00:34:51.159
<v Speaker 4>guard you like that, but the SEC had a lot

628
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<v Speaker 4>of teams that can't.

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<v Speaker 1>And you just described what Ohio State did right up

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<v Speaker 1>in New.

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<v Speaker 4>York, right right, and in the pre Clinson how how

632
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<v Speaker 4>they respond the mindset, the preparation that they have coming in.

633
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<v Speaker 4>You know, if they're expecting it to be a cakewalk

634
00:35:06.360 --> 00:35:09.880
<v Speaker 4>and Florida comes in on Saturday and they're blowing up

635
00:35:09.920 --> 00:35:13.000
<v Speaker 4>their screens and they're extending the defense and they're making

636
00:35:13.000 --> 00:35:15.559
<v Speaker 4>it hard to get to get the ball moving around

637
00:35:15.559 --> 00:35:16.920
<v Speaker 4>the perimeter, then it's going to be hard. I mean,

638
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<v Speaker 4>I've picked Florida to win this week, and I know

639
00:35:19.039 --> 00:35:21.400
<v Speaker 4>the other guys with Jet Till said pick Kentucky, but

640
00:35:22.000 --> 00:35:24.119
<v Speaker 4>a lot of toss up games. And got to know me,

641
00:35:24.199 --> 00:35:26.280
<v Speaker 4>you could go eleven and seven in this SEC and

642
00:35:26.320 --> 00:35:27.480
<v Speaker 4>the National Titles Attendant.

643
00:35:27.519 --> 00:35:29.400
<v Speaker 1>I'll tell you what I was talking to hoops wife,

644
00:35:29.440 --> 00:35:34.280
<v Speaker 1>so I'm sure you know Dick Weiss, the venerable Hall

645
00:35:34.320 --> 00:35:36.800
<v Speaker 1>of Fame sports writer up in New York. He told

646
00:35:36.880 --> 00:35:39.920
<v Speaker 1>me he thinks the SEC champ regular season might have

647
00:35:39.960 --> 00:35:42.000
<v Speaker 1>as many as six regular season losses.

648
00:35:42.840 --> 00:35:46.920
<v Speaker 4>They could, they could. Now I think Alabama and Auburn

649
00:35:47.000 --> 00:35:51.800
<v Speaker 4>and Tennessee are are We know that those three teams

650
00:35:51.800 --> 00:35:53.280
<v Speaker 4>are going to win a lot of games, But how

651
00:35:53.280 --> 00:35:55.400
<v Speaker 4>it's going to play out and you know, we know

652
00:35:55.480 --> 00:35:57.239
<v Speaker 4>Kentucky's gonna win a lot of games, but I don't

653
00:35:57.280 --> 00:35:58.920
<v Speaker 4>know that we know they're going to be quite at

654
00:35:58.920 --> 00:36:00.639
<v Speaker 4>that very highest level. We'll see.

655
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<v Speaker 1>Let me ask you one more about the SEC, and

656
00:36:03.000 --> 00:36:05.480
<v Speaker 1>it probably should have led with this question, why is

657
00:36:05.519 --> 00:36:08.519
<v Speaker 1>this happening? In your opinion? Why has everything come together

658
00:36:08.679 --> 00:36:11.880
<v Speaker 1>so well for SEC basketball this particular year.

659
00:36:13.000 --> 00:36:14.920
<v Speaker 4>I mean, you know, like a decade ago, the SEC

660
00:36:15.119 --> 00:36:18.039
<v Speaker 4>started hiring some really big name coaches and you could

661
00:36:18.039 --> 00:36:19.719
<v Speaker 4>tell that it was an emphasis for the league to

662
00:36:19.760 --> 00:36:22.960
<v Speaker 4>go more all in on basketball. And I feel like

663
00:36:23.000 --> 00:36:26.519
<v Speaker 4>the down this is a downstream effect of having really

664
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<v Speaker 4>good coaches.

665
00:36:27.199 --> 00:36:27.719
<v Speaker 2>In the league.

666
00:36:28.079 --> 00:36:31.039
<v Speaker 4>So when the ACC, when the Big Ten, when the

667
00:36:31.039 --> 00:36:35.199
<v Speaker 4>Big East were the dominant conferences, the Big Twelve, those

668
00:36:35.320 --> 00:36:38.880
<v Speaker 4>leagues tended to have the most all star cast of coaches.

669
00:36:39.159 --> 00:36:42.199
<v Speaker 4>And now you throw in nil and the SEC is

670
00:36:42.239 --> 00:36:44.639
<v Speaker 4>swimming in cash. I mean, I think the SEC just

671
00:36:44.639 --> 00:36:47.599
<v Speaker 4>has the best cast of coaches in college basketball. And

672
00:36:47.639 --> 00:36:49.320
<v Speaker 4>that's that's kind of reflected in the product.

673
00:36:49.519 --> 00:36:53.440
<v Speaker 1>Speaking of how ironic did Jim larronagad Miami steps down

674
00:36:53.480 --> 00:36:57.760
<v Speaker 1>complaining about the portal and anil and yet he rides

675
00:36:57.760 --> 00:36:59.719
<v Speaker 1>it to the Final four a couple of years ago.

676
00:37:01.079 --> 00:37:03.159
<v Speaker 4>That's right. It's just they don't want to deal with it.

677
00:37:03.239 --> 00:37:05.840
<v Speaker 4>You don't want to deal it's it's a quality of

678
00:37:05.920 --> 00:37:08.920
<v Speaker 4>life issue. You might you might win, but you're you're

679
00:37:08.960 --> 00:37:10.840
<v Speaker 4>not going to have as much fun along the way.

680
00:37:10.880 --> 00:37:13.719
<v Speaker 4>I mean, you're managing a lot more and you're doing

681
00:37:13.760 --> 00:37:16.360
<v Speaker 4>a lot less basketball coaching. I'm sure it's more so

682
00:37:16.480 --> 00:37:20.320
<v Speaker 4>a problem for football, but for basketball. I mean as

683
00:37:20.320 --> 00:37:22.159
<v Speaker 4>a coach, you probably feel like you just don't have

684
00:37:22.239 --> 00:37:25.639
<v Speaker 4>control anymore. Maybe day to day but year to year. No,

685
00:37:25.800 --> 00:37:28.360
<v Speaker 4>you don't have control now, and the control belongs to

686
00:37:28.400 --> 00:37:28.880
<v Speaker 4>the players.

687
00:37:28.920 --> 00:37:31.039
<v Speaker 1>And bringing it back to football, it is so evident

688
00:37:31.119 --> 00:37:34.519
<v Speaker 1>that that Mark Stoops just is not loving life right

689
00:37:34.559 --> 00:37:37.280
<v Speaker 1>now because he cannot coach football the way he wants

690
00:37:37.280 --> 00:37:37.840
<v Speaker 1>to coach it.

691
00:37:39.079 --> 00:37:41.840
<v Speaker 4>That's right. I mean he had he was, he really

692
00:37:42.159 --> 00:37:47.360
<v Speaker 4>program is all about culture and blue collar identity, and

693
00:37:47.480 --> 00:37:50.480
<v Speaker 4>the changes in the sport have pulled the rug out

694
00:37:50.519 --> 00:37:51.440
<v Speaker 4>from under that approach.

695
00:37:51.519 --> 00:37:52.039
<v Speaker 1>That's exactly.

696
00:37:52.239 --> 00:37:54.800
<v Speaker 4>And you get some other programs that have tried to

697
00:37:54.800 --> 00:37:56.920
<v Speaker 4>do it that way, like IOWA and whatnot to darying

698
00:37:56.960 --> 00:38:01.719
<v Speaker 4>degrees of success. But when you're old method was developing

699
00:38:01.800 --> 00:38:06.039
<v Speaker 4>guys for two to three years and that becomes a

700
00:38:06.079 --> 00:38:08.559
<v Speaker 4>harder formula and you got to you gotta adapt, adjust

701
00:38:08.639 --> 00:38:11.000
<v Speaker 4>or die. And that's where they're at.

702
00:38:11.119 --> 00:38:13.519
<v Speaker 1>All these nil dollars has almost made it a white

703
00:38:13.519 --> 00:38:18.039
<v Speaker 1>collar situation. But yeah, a discussion for another night. Justin Rowland.

704
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<v Speaker 1>We love talking football and basketball. You're always up to speed.

705
00:38:21.400 --> 00:38:23.599
<v Speaker 1>He is a publisher of Cats Illustrated. Find it at

706
00:38:23.639 --> 00:38:27.000
<v Speaker 1>Cats Illustrated dot com and subscribe. Thank you, buddy, have

707
00:38:27.039 --> 00:38:27.440
<v Speaker 1>a good.

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<v Speaker 4>One, Thanks, thank you too.

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<v Speaker 1>Up next in our number two, Scott Brown, who wrote

710
00:38:33.159 --> 00:38:36.840
<v Speaker 1>a book on the late great Reggie Wharford. Reggie, of course,

711
00:38:37.159 --> 00:38:41.039
<v Speaker 1>was the first African American basketball player men's basketball player

712
00:38:41.039 --> 00:38:44.039
<v Speaker 1>to graduate from UK and the subject of a documentary

713
00:38:44.079 --> 00:38:47.199
<v Speaker 1>we've put together a few years ago. Scott's book is terrific.

714
00:38:47.320 --> 00:38:50.079
<v Speaker 1>We're talking with Scott coming up next and Christy Thomas

715
00:38:50.440 --> 00:38:53.360
<v Speaker 1>of the UK Network and SEC Plus. That's all ahead

716
00:38:53.559 --> 00:38:55.920
<v Speaker 1>in our number two here on six thirty, Good La,

717
00:40:29.079 --> 00:40:31.239
<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to the Big Blue Cider. Joining us now

718
00:40:31.360 --> 00:40:34.639
<v Speaker 1>is a gentleman I met via the phone a few

719
00:40:34.719 --> 00:40:38.519
<v Speaker 1>years ago, Scott Brown, who was the editor and publisher

720
00:40:38.519 --> 00:40:41.599
<v Speaker 1>of Steeler Depot, the website but also a freelance writer,

721
00:40:42.280 --> 00:40:45.840
<v Speaker 1>and Scott became friends with my buddy and my former

722
00:40:45.920 --> 00:40:48.360
<v Speaker 1>classmate and a man I covered when he was a

723
00:40:48.440 --> 00:40:51.480
<v Speaker 1>UK basketball player of the late great Reggie Wharford and

724
00:40:51.559 --> 00:40:55.079
<v Speaker 1>has written a book about Reggie that is available now.

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00:40:55.119 --> 00:40:56.800
<v Speaker 1>If you haven't picked it up yet, you need to

726
00:40:56.880 --> 00:41:00.840
<v Speaker 1>have this in your UK basketball library because it is

727
00:41:00.880 --> 00:41:05.119
<v Speaker 1>such an incredible chapter in the history of UK basketball. Scott,

728
00:41:05.320 --> 00:41:05.960
<v Speaker 1>good to talk.

729
00:41:05.840 --> 00:41:09.280
<v Speaker 2>To you again, Yeah, Dick, thanks, thanks for having me

730
00:41:09.280 --> 00:41:12.239
<v Speaker 2>on and always great to talk to you. And I

731
00:41:12.239 --> 00:41:17.280
<v Speaker 2>would like to say about the book. Is a documentary

732
00:41:18.480 --> 00:41:20.559
<v Speaker 2>you and I believe cam Mills.

733
00:41:20.559 --> 00:41:21.800
<v Speaker 1>Cameron was the exec producer.

734
00:41:21.880 --> 00:41:26.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Yeah, it was tremendous and a great resource and

735
00:41:26.360 --> 00:41:28.960
<v Speaker 2>even more importantly, I know how much it meant to

736
00:41:29.000 --> 00:41:31.239
<v Speaker 2>Reggie for you to tell his story in that way.

737
00:41:31.719 --> 00:41:35.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and there's quite obviously the parallel and you can

738
00:41:35.480 --> 00:41:37.880
<v Speaker 1>put so much more into the book than we were

739
00:41:37.880 --> 00:41:40.840
<v Speaker 1>able to get into our basically forty four minutes of

740
00:41:40.880 --> 00:41:44.519
<v Speaker 1>the documentary. But tell everybody about how it is you

741
00:41:44.599 --> 00:41:47.599
<v Speaker 1>came to know Reggie and just to know him immediately

742
00:41:48.079 --> 00:41:49.960
<v Speaker 1>and his story. You know, that's a hell of a

743
00:41:50.039 --> 00:41:53.280
<v Speaker 1>story and made for a documentary and a great book.

744
00:41:53.320 --> 00:41:55.920
<v Speaker 1>But how did you happen to cross paths with Reggie?

745
00:41:57.400 --> 00:42:03.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's a really interesting story, and that Reggie. When

746
00:42:03.119 --> 00:42:06.639
<v Speaker 2>I was growing up, Reggie became somewhat of a mythical

747
00:42:06.719 --> 00:42:10.440
<v Speaker 2>figure to me. And I say that because he was

748
00:42:10.519 --> 00:42:13.039
<v Speaker 2>an assistant coach at Pitt and I knew he had

749
00:42:13.039 --> 00:42:18.280
<v Speaker 2>played at Kentucky. And my cousin Tom became really good

750
00:42:18.360 --> 00:42:21.960
<v Speaker 2>friends with Reggie. I think they were rocketball buddies and

751
00:42:21.960 --> 00:42:27.400
<v Speaker 2>and just became really close from that. And I would

752
00:42:30.039 --> 00:42:33.719
<v Speaker 2>just breathlessly wait for Reggie stories about Pitt. You know

753
00:42:33.800 --> 00:42:36.000
<v Speaker 2>some of the players that's when they had You're talking

754
00:42:36.000 --> 00:42:39.480
<v Speaker 2>about Turner's Sake and Charles Smith, guys like that. And

755
00:42:39.719 --> 00:42:42.719
<v Speaker 2>all those guys were recruited by Reggie, by the way,

756
00:42:42.840 --> 00:42:48.800
<v Speaker 2>you know, the teams that really kind of Golden era

757
00:42:48.840 --> 00:42:52.239
<v Speaker 2>and pit basketball with Smith, Eacon Lane. Reggie recruit all

758
00:42:52.280 --> 00:42:56.000
<v Speaker 2>those guys. And anyway, you.

759
00:42:55.960 --> 00:42:56.199
<v Speaker 4>Know, I.

760
00:42:57.840 --> 00:43:02.440
<v Speaker 2>Got to know him a little bit grown up, and

761
00:43:03.280 --> 00:43:07.840
<v Speaker 2>one day, and I'm not positive of the year, but

762
00:43:07.880 --> 00:43:14.400
<v Speaker 2>my cousin called me and he said, you know, paraphrasing,

763
00:43:14.519 --> 00:43:18.599
<v Speaker 2>that he had just seen Reggie and Reggie was Reggie

764
00:43:18.639 --> 00:43:20.280
<v Speaker 2>was just he was such a great storyteller, and he

765
00:43:20.360 --> 00:43:23.880
<v Speaker 2>was telling stories that day, and so my cousin called

766
00:43:23.920 --> 00:43:25.639
<v Speaker 2>and said, you know, his story really needs to be

767
00:43:25.679 --> 00:43:29.320
<v Speaker 2>a book. Would you be interested? And I said yeah yeah.

768
00:43:29.960 --> 00:43:31.960
<v Speaker 2>He said, well there's a catch, and I said, well

769
00:43:31.960 --> 00:43:34.199
<v Speaker 2>what is that? He said, he might not have much

770
00:43:34.239 --> 00:43:41.440
<v Speaker 2>time left. And at that point it was you know,

771
00:43:41.920 --> 00:43:44.320
<v Speaker 2>Reggie and his family that they didn't think he had

772
00:43:44.400 --> 00:43:47.639
<v Speaker 2>much more than months to live. And long story short,

773
00:43:48.079 --> 00:43:50.920
<v Speaker 2>he ended up living, you know, at least three years

774
00:43:50.960 --> 00:43:56.800
<v Speaker 2>past that. And anyway, what I did was, you know,

775
00:43:57.480 --> 00:43:59.519
<v Speaker 2>Tom set up a meeting with Reggie, and I went

776
00:43:59.559 --> 00:44:03.360
<v Speaker 2>down and spent about three hours with him, and uh,

777
00:44:03.400 --> 00:44:05.719
<v Speaker 2>you know, he's he was telling stories about growing up,

778
00:44:05.920 --> 00:44:10.559
<v Speaker 2>playing for Jobie Hall, uh, coaching pitt and uh. And

779
00:44:10.639 --> 00:44:12.599
<v Speaker 2>I walked out that day with three hours of tape

780
00:44:12.599 --> 00:44:15.719
<v Speaker 2>and said, oh my goodness, this is an unbelievable story.

781
00:44:16.880 --> 00:44:18.239
<v Speaker 2>The only bad partner is that and then I had

782
00:44:18.239 --> 00:44:19.000
<v Speaker 2>to transcribe it.

783
00:44:19.280 --> 00:44:20.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

784
00:44:19.760 --> 00:44:25.519
<v Speaker 2>Uh. But from there we started and and what I

785
00:44:25.519 --> 00:44:28.599
<v Speaker 2>would do is regulated about an hour from me, I'm

786
00:44:28.599 --> 00:44:32.679
<v Speaker 2>about an hour outside of Pittsburgh, and we would meet,

787
00:44:33.039 --> 00:44:35.559
<v Speaker 2>you know, once a week, did just for a couple

788
00:44:35.639 --> 00:44:41.440
<v Speaker 2>of years and and just talk all things that he

789
00:44:41.519 --> 00:44:45.119
<v Speaker 2>had to say about his incredible experiences breaking the color

790
00:44:45.199 --> 00:44:51.400
<v Speaker 2>line in Kentucky and unfortunately his his health issues which

791
00:44:51.400 --> 00:44:56.559
<v Speaker 2>were married ot and and really, uh, you know with

792
00:44:56.199 --> 00:44:59.400
<v Speaker 2>the heart transplant, kidney transplant. That's that's really just the

793
00:44:59.440 --> 00:45:02.639
<v Speaker 2>top of a of a very long list. And from

794
00:45:02.679 --> 00:45:07.039
<v Speaker 2>all that evolved a pretty incredible book, not anything that

795
00:45:07.079 --> 00:45:12.599
<v Speaker 2>I wrote, but just Reggie's story and all those obviously

796
00:45:12.599 --> 00:45:15.519
<v Speaker 2>to talk to a ton of people who who were

797
00:45:15.519 --> 00:45:18.599
<v Speaker 2>important in his life. And and again it just really

798
00:45:18.639 --> 00:45:25.159
<v Speaker 2>started that phone call he you know, would you want

799
00:45:25.159 --> 00:45:27.039
<v Speaker 2>to want to write a book, but there's a catch,

800
00:45:27.039 --> 00:45:30.079
<v Speaker 2>you might not have much time with uh, with Reggie.

801
00:45:30.199 --> 00:45:33.800
<v Speaker 2>And I ended up having uh, three glorious years with

802
00:45:33.880 --> 00:45:36.880
<v Speaker 2>him and became pretty close. We became pretty close, and

803
00:45:37.719 --> 00:45:40.320
<v Speaker 2>uh it was just a really uh you know, one

804
00:45:40.360 --> 00:45:42.239
<v Speaker 2>of the most worthwhile things ever done.

805
00:45:42.360 --> 00:45:44.639
<v Speaker 1>And you ended up speaking at his funeral where I

806
00:45:44.679 --> 00:45:47.159
<v Speaker 1>and I which I attended along with Jack Gibbons and

807
00:45:47.199 --> 00:45:50.239
<v Speaker 1>a lot of other lot of former Kentucky players.

808
00:45:50.760 --> 00:45:53.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I was blown away by that that he he

809
00:45:53.840 --> 00:45:55.440
<v Speaker 2>wanted me to do that, and I did. I did

810
00:45:55.480 --> 00:45:57.559
<v Speaker 2>not know that, to be honest with you, until his

811
00:45:57.639 --> 00:46:02.599
<v Speaker 2>wife Marissa asked me if I would speak, So, yeah,

812
00:46:02.639 --> 00:46:05.079
<v Speaker 2>it was. It was a tremendous honor. And I do

813
00:46:05.199 --> 00:46:10.079
<v Speaker 2>have a funny story about that. So I am horrible

814
00:46:10.119 --> 00:46:17.880
<v Speaker 2>with directions. And after the service they had, there was

815
00:46:17.920 --> 00:46:21.840
<v Speaker 2>the burial, and I am people were leaving there and

816
00:46:22.280 --> 00:46:25.840
<v Speaker 2>there was a reception at a nearby restaurant or hall, right,

817
00:46:26.519 --> 00:46:31.360
<v Speaker 2>And so I obviously have a Pensania plate and I

818
00:46:31.360 --> 00:46:33.840
<v Speaker 2>think people from Kentucky, and I hope you weren't one

819
00:46:33.840 --> 00:46:37.079
<v Speaker 2>of them, saw my plates and assumed that I knew

820
00:46:37.119 --> 00:46:40.519
<v Speaker 2>where I was going, and they started following me, and

821
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<v Speaker 2>I got horribly lost in this sem It was a

822
00:46:43.719 --> 00:46:47.079
<v Speaker 2>in my defense, it was a really sprawling cemetery. Very yes,

823
00:46:47.639 --> 00:46:52.039
<v Speaker 2>but I got lost. And finally I was just I

824
00:46:52.119 --> 00:46:54.840
<v Speaker 2>kind of pulled over and faked like I was on

825
00:46:54.920 --> 00:46:57.400
<v Speaker 2>a phone call so people could just try and find

826
00:46:57.440 --> 00:46:59.639
<v Speaker 2>their way out because they were following them wrong, they're

827
00:46:59.639 --> 00:47:00.559
<v Speaker 2>wrong thing.

828
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<v Speaker 1>I think I remember that happening. I don't know I

829
00:47:04.079 --> 00:47:08.199
<v Speaker 1>was riding. I was actually driving with Jack and Jim Andrews,

830
00:47:08.239 --> 00:47:11.440
<v Speaker 1>and I think I do remember some folks got turned

831
00:47:11.480 --> 00:47:18.119
<v Speaker 1>around in the cemetery. But my story now was so

832
00:47:18.400 --> 00:47:20.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm going up and you know, Jack and Jim and

833
00:47:20.840 --> 00:47:22.880
<v Speaker 1>I are telling stories and all. So I turned to

834
00:47:22.960 --> 00:47:24.960
<v Speaker 1>Jack and I said, Jack, I've never been to a

835
00:47:25.000 --> 00:47:29.159
<v Speaker 1>black funeral. What can I expect? And so he said, well,

836
00:47:30.199 --> 00:47:34.119
<v Speaker 1>ordinarily they do take a while, he said, but Marissa

837
00:47:34.199 --> 00:47:38.280
<v Speaker 1>doesn't want people to, you know, sit for three hours

838
00:47:38.360 --> 00:47:40.320
<v Speaker 1>or so. She wants to keep this at a at

839
00:47:40.320 --> 00:47:44.400
<v Speaker 1>a tight ninety minutes, you know, but as you well know,

840
00:47:45.119 --> 00:47:49.400
<v Speaker 1>it went way past that. And Jack was laughing about

841
00:47:49.440 --> 00:47:51.599
<v Speaker 1>that when we walked out of the church. He said,

842
00:47:51.599 --> 00:47:53.599
<v Speaker 1>you know, you think I lied to you. You know,

843
00:47:53.679 --> 00:47:56.159
<v Speaker 1>I said, now everybody needed to say. Everybody wanted to

844
00:47:56.199 --> 00:48:00.280
<v Speaker 1>speak and say something about Reggie. So you know, it

845
00:48:00.360 --> 00:48:01.960
<v Speaker 1>was sad but joyful.

846
00:48:03.079 --> 00:48:05.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it's funny. When I talked to Marisa afterwards

847
00:48:06.760 --> 00:48:10.280
<v Speaker 2>about that, she she said that, you know, at first

848
00:48:10.280 --> 00:48:13.599
<v Speaker 2>she started getting a little antsy and nervous because you know,

849
00:48:14.159 --> 00:48:16.599
<v Speaker 2>obviously the time was going over. But then at the

850
00:48:16.599 --> 00:48:18.960
<v Speaker 2>middle she said, you know, what, the heck with it,

851
00:48:18.960 --> 00:48:21.760
<v Speaker 2>I'm just going to enjoy this, and and I'm glad

852
00:48:21.800 --> 00:48:24.880
<v Speaker 2>that she did. She and her sons Tiger and Grant

853
00:48:24.920 --> 00:48:27.960
<v Speaker 2>were able to hear what everyone had to say about Reggie,

854
00:48:28.039 --> 00:48:31.320
<v Speaker 2>and uh, yeah, it was it was longer and she wanted,

855
00:48:31.360 --> 00:48:33.400
<v Speaker 2>but at some point she just said, you know what,

856
00:48:33.440 --> 00:48:35.760
<v Speaker 2>I'm just going to go with it and my stress

857
00:48:35.840 --> 00:48:39.079
<v Speaker 2>about it and just really enjoy the celebration of a

858
00:48:39.119 --> 00:48:39.960
<v Speaker 2>wonderful life.

859
00:48:40.119 --> 00:48:42.159
<v Speaker 1>You talk about a strong woman, Am I right?

860
00:48:44.079 --> 00:48:48.679
<v Speaker 2>One hundred percent correct? Yeah, And that's a big part

861
00:48:48.719 --> 00:48:53.360
<v Speaker 2>of his story too, is you know Marissa and the

862
00:48:53.440 --> 00:48:58.159
<v Speaker 2>strength that she and her her father and grand Tiger showed.

863
00:48:58.880 --> 00:48:59.159
<v Speaker 3>Uh.

864
00:48:59.239 --> 00:49:02.519
<v Speaker 2>You know, while Reggie dealing with the issues in the

865
00:49:02.559 --> 00:49:04.599
<v Speaker 2>in the in the twilight of his life, all the

866
00:49:04.599 --> 00:49:09.280
<v Speaker 2>health issues, uh, and you know, they they really kept

867
00:49:09.360 --> 00:49:13.880
<v Speaker 2>him going. And he kept going because of his love

868
00:49:13.920 --> 00:49:17.599
<v Speaker 2>for them and wanting to be there for them as

869
00:49:17.679 --> 00:49:21.280
<v Speaker 2>long as he could. And I'll tell you what I mean,

870
00:49:21.280 --> 00:49:25.159
<v Speaker 2>he I don't know if I ever the fight that

871
00:49:25.199 --> 00:49:29.760
<v Speaker 2>he showed was amazing and they were I mean, Dickie,

872
00:49:29.920 --> 00:49:32.840
<v Speaker 2>he had he he had COVID at once and it

873
00:49:32.920 --> 00:49:35.639
<v Speaker 2>was around New Year one year and I remember getting

874
00:49:35.679 --> 00:49:40.360
<v Speaker 2>to texta Marissa Saint Reggie had COVID and Texas back,

875
00:49:40.440 --> 00:49:42.119
<v Speaker 2>is there anything I can do? And I got back

876
00:49:42.199 --> 00:49:45.599
<v Speaker 2>one more answer, prayers And you know, I mean he

877
00:49:45.719 --> 00:49:49.239
<v Speaker 2>was in ICU and he figured, you know, with with

878
00:49:49.320 --> 00:49:51.320
<v Speaker 2>all of his his hard problems. There was no ways

879
00:49:51.400 --> 00:49:54.280
<v Speaker 2>to survive that, and he lived. He lived another year

880
00:49:54.280 --> 00:49:57.519
<v Speaker 2>and a half. Uh, I mean, just a just a

881
00:49:57.559 --> 00:50:01.519
<v Speaker 2>fighter and in it's still something that inspires me to

882
00:50:01.559 --> 00:50:03.480
<v Speaker 2>this day talking to.

883
00:50:03.400 --> 00:50:07.000
<v Speaker 1>Scott Brown, is the author of the Reggie Warford Story,

884
00:50:07.039 --> 00:50:10.159
<v Speaker 1>Integrating Basketball at the University of Kentucky. We'll come back

885
00:50:10.199 --> 00:50:12.119
<v Speaker 1>with more for Scott in just a minute. Here on

886
00:50:12.119 --> 00:50:15.880
<v Speaker 1>the Big Bloon Sider six point thirty WLAP. Welcome back

887
00:50:15.920 --> 00:50:18.079
<v Speaker 1>to the Big Bloon Sider. We're talking with Scott Brown.

888
00:50:18.239 --> 00:50:21.039
<v Speaker 1>He is a freelance writer. He is also the publisher

889
00:50:21.079 --> 00:50:24.840
<v Speaker 1>of Steeler Depot website. But he is the author of

890
00:50:24.880 --> 00:50:29.400
<v Speaker 1>the Reggie Warford Story, Integrating Basketball at the University of Kentucky.

891
00:50:29.440 --> 00:50:31.599
<v Speaker 1>And it does, as we said earlier, kind of parallel

892
00:50:32.000 --> 00:50:35.119
<v Speaker 1>the documentary that Cameron Mills and Jason Eperson and I

893
00:50:35.159 --> 00:50:38.159
<v Speaker 1>worked on a few years ago called Fight of His Life.

894
00:50:39.000 --> 00:50:42.119
<v Speaker 1>And I knew Reggie, of course from college. He and

895
00:50:42.199 --> 00:50:44.400
<v Speaker 1>I share a birthday. Believe it or not, he's a

896
00:50:44.480 --> 00:50:46.880
<v Speaker 1>year older. I was reminded him he's a year older

897
00:50:46.880 --> 00:50:50.480
<v Speaker 1>than I am. But you know, I wrote a piece

898
00:50:50.719 --> 00:50:54.400
<v Speaker 1>about Reggie at the end of his career at Kentucky,

899
00:50:54.880 --> 00:50:58.440
<v Speaker 1>and he balked at talking to me, and he said,

900
00:50:58.480 --> 00:51:00.360
<v Speaker 1>you know, you haven't wanted to talk to me before,

901
00:51:00.440 --> 00:51:01.679
<v Speaker 1>why do you want to talk to me now? And

902
00:51:01.719 --> 00:51:03.679
<v Speaker 1>he was, you know, a little way, he was making

903
00:51:03.719 --> 00:51:06.920
<v Speaker 1>a point. He knew the answer, of course, you know,

904
00:51:07.000 --> 00:51:08.840
<v Speaker 1>and I just kind of said, well, you know, that's

905
00:51:08.920 --> 00:51:10.639
<v Speaker 1>kind of the way it works and all that. But

906
00:51:11.360 --> 00:51:13.800
<v Speaker 1>what got me in with him, Scott was his mother

907
00:51:14.039 --> 00:51:16.360
<v Speaker 1>liked the article. And then, you know, so when I

908
00:51:16.400 --> 00:51:19.960
<v Speaker 1>went over Moy, when I went over mom, I was

909
00:51:20.000 --> 00:51:23.039
<v Speaker 1>good with the rest of the family. But you know

910
00:51:23.079 --> 00:51:26.199
<v Speaker 1>what people need to realize is and yeah, this dates

911
00:51:26.239 --> 00:51:30.159
<v Speaker 1>back to the early seventies. It's stunning what Reggie and

912
00:51:30.239 --> 00:51:33.480
<v Speaker 1>his family had to go through as African Americans coming up.

913
00:51:34.039 --> 00:51:38.239
<v Speaker 1>But Kentucky fans need to understand that maybe that seventy

914
00:51:38.239 --> 00:51:42.840
<v Speaker 1>eight championship team doesn't come together if not for Reggie,

915
00:51:42.880 --> 00:51:46.360
<v Speaker 1>who had graduated two years prior. But told those young guys,

916
00:51:46.400 --> 00:51:49.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, told Jack Gibbans and those guys, you're going

917
00:51:49.039 --> 00:51:52.119
<v Speaker 1>to win a championship. That's how good you are. But

918
00:51:52.519 --> 00:51:55.440
<v Speaker 1>Jack admitted on camera to me, said to you, I

919
00:51:55.599 --> 00:51:58.519
<v Speaker 1>might not come to Kentucky if I don't see Reggie

920
00:51:58.519 --> 00:52:02.679
<v Speaker 1>Warford on my recruiting trip. You know, that's that's so vital.

921
00:52:04.360 --> 00:52:07.639
<v Speaker 2>And it's incredibly and one thing that that blows me

922
00:52:07.679 --> 00:52:11.719
<v Speaker 2>away about Gradory's story, especially in context of everything that's

923
00:52:11.760 --> 00:52:15.239
<v Speaker 2>happening now in college athletics with the transfer Florida and

924
00:52:15.360 --> 00:52:18.119
<v Speaker 2>guys going to school to school, is that he stuck

925
00:52:18.159 --> 00:52:22.719
<v Speaker 2>it out of Kentucky and and forget, forget everything else

926
00:52:22.960 --> 00:52:25.800
<v Speaker 2>off the court, just solely on the court. This is

927
00:52:25.800 --> 00:52:31.400
<v Speaker 2>a guy who was an ultra competitor and wanted to play,

928
00:52:31.559 --> 00:52:34.039
<v Speaker 2>and he could have gone probably a lot of other

929
00:52:34.079 --> 00:52:37.199
<v Speaker 2>places and have been a star or at least been

930
00:52:37.239 --> 00:52:41.360
<v Speaker 2>a starter, which during his first three years of Kentucky, uh,

931
00:52:41.440 --> 00:52:45.440
<v Speaker 2>he didn't see the court much. And he stuck it

932
00:52:45.480 --> 00:52:48.920
<v Speaker 2>out and and and again that's in the context of

933
00:52:48.920 --> 00:52:51.880
<v Speaker 2>what we're seeing today, and that's nothing that's not to

934
00:52:51.920 --> 00:52:55.760
<v Speaker 2>denigrate you know, kids today, and you know, they actually

935
00:52:55.800 --> 00:52:57.880
<v Speaker 2>have a lot more freedom with with the portal and

936
00:52:58.000 --> 00:53:01.039
<v Speaker 2>n I L and good for them for taking advantage

937
00:53:01.079 --> 00:53:04.880
<v Speaker 2>of it. But it's still that's just unheard of for

938
00:53:04.960 --> 00:53:08.000
<v Speaker 2>a guy to wait his turn like that the way

939
00:53:08.079 --> 00:53:12.760
<v Speaker 2>Reggie did despite all the frustration, and you totally hit

940
00:53:12.800 --> 00:53:15.360
<v Speaker 2>it on the head, is you know, do they win

941
00:53:15.400 --> 00:53:19.519
<v Speaker 2>the seventy eight championship if things go sideways for Reggie

942
00:53:19.679 --> 00:53:23.360
<v Speaker 2>Kentucky and he ends up leaving because obviously they had

943
00:53:24.079 --> 00:53:30.239
<v Speaker 2>Mary Gibbons and I'm sorry Mary Haskins and Larry Johnson.

944
00:53:30.280 --> 00:53:35.360
<v Speaker 2>Then then Jack and James Lee and guys like that followed,

945
00:53:35.639 --> 00:53:38.599
<v Speaker 2>and really guys who were the core of that seventy

946
00:53:38.639 --> 00:53:43.079
<v Speaker 2>eight championship team, especially Jack Gibbons. I mean, I don't

947
00:53:44.039 --> 00:53:49.239
<v Speaker 2>We'll never know, but you know, they might not have

948
00:53:49.360 --> 00:53:52.480
<v Speaker 2>followed Reggie to Kentucky and somebody had to go first,

949
00:53:52.480 --> 00:53:53.280
<v Speaker 2>and that was Reggie.

950
00:53:55.000 --> 00:53:57.079
<v Speaker 1>And you know, it's fascinating to me. One of the

951
00:53:57.119 --> 00:53:59.559
<v Speaker 1>greatest stories. And you've got it in your book and

952
00:53:59.599 --> 00:54:04.159
<v Speaker 1>it's in a is Reggie who had basically committed to

953
00:54:04.199 --> 00:54:08.280
<v Speaker 1>Austin p and a young recruiter named Leonard Hamilton because

954
00:54:08.280 --> 00:54:11.280
<v Speaker 1>see he had, you know, gone down to Clarksville to

955
00:54:11.280 --> 00:54:15.199
<v Speaker 1>play pickup games from Drakesboro hitchhiked to go play basketball

956
00:54:15.239 --> 00:54:18.519
<v Speaker 1>down there. Yeah, and uh, and he had decided Reggie

957
00:54:18.559 --> 00:54:22.679
<v Speaker 1>to leave and is walking down the hall at the coliseum,

958
00:54:22.679 --> 00:54:25.480
<v Speaker 1>which is a hallway that I walked a thousand times

959
00:54:25.760 --> 00:54:28.079
<v Speaker 1>to go to job's office and say I'm out and

960
00:54:28.119 --> 00:54:29.679
<v Speaker 1>he bumps into Leonard Hamilton.

961
00:54:30.719 --> 00:54:31.280
<v Speaker 2>How about that?

962
00:54:31.440 --> 00:54:33.679
<v Speaker 1>How about I mean take it from there. Tell everybody,

963
00:54:33.800 --> 00:54:35.199
<v Speaker 1>I don't want you to give away the store. But

964
00:54:35.239 --> 00:54:36.239
<v Speaker 1>that's a great story.

965
00:54:37.480 --> 00:54:41.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I think you yeah, you really nolt it

966
00:54:41.880 --> 00:54:45.639
<v Speaker 2>is it was. It was a total coincidence that they

967
00:54:45.840 --> 00:54:50.800
<v Speaker 2>ran into each other. But Jobi was and I'm not

968
00:54:50.880 --> 00:54:53.480
<v Speaker 2>sure exactly if he had hot I think he was

969
00:54:53.480 --> 00:54:58.800
<v Speaker 2>an interviewing PI. Yes, yes, And and basically, you know, Reggie,

970
00:54:59.320 --> 00:55:03.280
<v Speaker 2>they bumped him into each other, you know, fearedly. One

971
00:55:03.320 --> 00:55:06.679
<v Speaker 2>guy was was coming and one guy was preparing to

972
00:55:06.719 --> 00:55:11.400
<v Speaker 2>go in Reggie and and coach Hamblon talked to him

973
00:55:11.440 --> 00:55:15.000
<v Speaker 2>and and paraphrasing here, just you know, I said, hey, wait,

974
00:55:15.039 --> 00:55:17.800
<v Speaker 2>wait a second, hold on, hold on, don't do anything yet.

975
00:55:18.800 --> 00:55:22.360
<v Speaker 2>You know, I may become to join you. And he

976
00:55:22.719 --> 00:55:26.480
<v Speaker 2>got hired and talked Reggie in the staying and and

977
00:55:26.559 --> 00:55:28.800
<v Speaker 2>I think Reggie needed that too. Is not just having

978
00:55:28.960 --> 00:55:32.679
<v Speaker 2>you know, a couple of black teammates, but having a

979
00:55:32.719 --> 00:55:36.440
<v Speaker 2>black assistant coach as well. And he and Hamilton obviously

980
00:55:38.559 --> 00:55:42.280
<v Speaker 2>became very close and worked until the day that he passed.

981
00:55:42.920 --> 00:55:45.480
<v Speaker 2>So but yeah, I mean there's another one if like

982
00:55:45.519 --> 00:55:49.519
<v Speaker 2>what if what if Reggie doesn't bump into Leonard Leonard

983
00:55:49.559 --> 00:55:52.719
<v Speaker 2>Hamilton that day. Well, you know, talk about kind of

984
00:55:52.360 --> 00:55:57.360
<v Speaker 2>the butterfly butterfly effect of that on Kentucky basketball.

985
00:55:57.800 --> 00:56:02.719
<v Speaker 1>And you probably know this, but Leonard Hamilton had decided

986
00:56:02.760 --> 00:56:06.320
<v Speaker 1>to quit coaching. He had quit himself because he kept

987
00:56:06.360 --> 00:56:09.000
<v Speaker 1>knocking his head on the barrier being a black assistant

988
00:56:09.039 --> 00:56:10.519
<v Speaker 1>and people saying, you're not going to be a head

989
00:56:10.519 --> 00:56:13.159
<v Speaker 1>coach at an established you know, you can go to

990
00:56:13.199 --> 00:56:15.280
<v Speaker 1>one of the smaller schools, but you're never going to

991
00:56:15.320 --> 00:56:17.559
<v Speaker 1>get where you want to be. And he went to

992
00:56:17.599 --> 00:56:20.519
<v Speaker 1>work for I think dal Chemical or in principle and

993
00:56:20.639 --> 00:56:23.920
<v Speaker 1>accepted a job and somebody said, hey, I think Joe

994
00:56:23.920 --> 00:56:27.599
<v Speaker 1>Hall's looking for an African assistant, and the rest is

995
00:56:27.800 --> 00:56:34.360
<v Speaker 1>literally basketball history. Now if you look at Leonard Hamilton's resume, now.

996
00:56:36.199 --> 00:56:39.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's that's incredible. I'll be honest, I did not

997
00:56:39.400 --> 00:56:43.360
<v Speaker 2>know that about him looking to leave the coaching profession.

998
00:56:44.760 --> 00:56:49.639
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, that's just so many things, so many what ifs,

999
00:56:49.840 --> 00:56:53.599
<v Speaker 2>and that's that's such a great part of you know,

1000
00:56:53.679 --> 00:56:57.400
<v Speaker 2>Kentucky basketball history. In Reggie's history with the program, got a.

1001
00:56:57.400 --> 00:57:00.320
<v Speaker 1>Few minutes left with Scott Brown. He is a freelance

1002
00:57:00.360 --> 00:57:04.320
<v Speaker 1>writers also the publisher and editor of Steelers Depot dot com.

1003
00:57:04.320 --> 00:57:06.719
<v Speaker 1>But he wrote the Reggie Warford Story, which you can

1004
00:57:06.760 --> 00:57:09.119
<v Speaker 1>get through University Press. If you don't have it in

1005
00:57:09.159 --> 00:57:12.280
<v Speaker 1>your UK basketball library, you need to have a Jack

1006
00:57:12.320 --> 00:57:17.119
<v Speaker 1>Gibbons wrote the foreword. But Scott has talked to us

1007
00:57:17.159 --> 00:57:21.159
<v Speaker 1>about the fact that basically for three years he built

1008
00:57:21.159 --> 00:57:24.639
<v Speaker 1>a relationship with Reggie and Marissa and their sons up

1009
00:57:24.639 --> 00:57:27.559
<v Speaker 1>there in Pittsburgh. And of course Reggie was inducted into

1010
00:57:27.559 --> 00:57:30.519
<v Speaker 1>the Kentucky Basketball Hall of Fame, the High School Hall

1011
00:57:30.519 --> 00:57:34.039
<v Speaker 1>of Fame, I should say, and I went over and

1012
00:57:34.519 --> 00:57:38.000
<v Speaker 1>set all out to and paid my respects, congratulations. And

1013
00:57:38.280 --> 00:57:41.119
<v Speaker 1>it's funny. Cameron Mills and I worked on a couple

1014
00:57:41.199 --> 00:57:43.519
<v Speaker 1>of other docks on the ninety eight to ninety six

1015
00:57:43.599 --> 00:57:47.480
<v Speaker 1>championship teams, and he kept saying, what's next. I said, well,

1016
00:57:47.559 --> 00:57:50.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm kind of toying with with, you know, something on Reggie,

1017
00:57:50.880 --> 00:57:53.199
<v Speaker 1>and he's like, who's that. Come on, man, you got

1018
00:57:53.239 --> 00:57:55.559
<v Speaker 1>to know. So I told him Reggie had told him

1019
00:57:55.559 --> 00:57:58.639
<v Speaker 1>Reggie's story, I said, But Cameron, I said, Reggie's in

1020
00:57:58.719 --> 00:58:00.559
<v Speaker 1>a bad way. And I don't know how much longer

1021
00:58:00.559 --> 00:58:02.519
<v Speaker 1>we're going to have him, And I said, I'm not

1022
00:58:02.559 --> 00:58:04.920
<v Speaker 1>sure I'm up to this. I'm not sure I'm up

1023
00:58:04.960 --> 00:58:07.719
<v Speaker 1>to this. Well, Cameron blew Right by me went to

1024
00:58:07.800 --> 00:58:10.159
<v Speaker 1>Reggie and said, hey, we're going to do a documentary

1025
00:58:10.159 --> 00:58:15.079
<v Speaker 1>on you, and he was so excited. And I love

1026
00:58:15.159 --> 00:58:17.800
<v Speaker 1>the fact that you know, he was a humble, god

1027
00:58:17.840 --> 00:58:21.480
<v Speaker 1>fearing man. But as you know, Scott, he liked the

1028
00:58:21.559 --> 00:58:25.199
<v Speaker 1>fact not because it was all about him, but because

1029
00:58:25.639 --> 00:58:29.639
<v Speaker 1>his story could help other basketball players down the road.

1030
00:58:29.679 --> 00:58:32.480
<v Speaker 1>That's what I respected the most about that process. Did

1031
00:58:32.480 --> 00:58:33.440
<v Speaker 1>you get the same feeling?

1032
00:58:35.039 --> 00:58:40.960
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely? And one thing that I'm really gratified for that

1033
00:58:41.039 --> 00:58:45.000
<v Speaker 2>Marissa has told me several times is you know projects

1034
00:58:45.119 --> 00:58:48.280
<v Speaker 2>like that, working on this book or things that helped

1035
00:58:48.320 --> 00:58:50.719
<v Speaker 2>keep Reggie alive, to be honest with you, because it

1036
00:58:50.760 --> 00:58:55.320
<v Speaker 2>gave him something to look forward to. And as you know,

1037
00:58:55.639 --> 00:58:59.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure I can't imagine the tape that you guys

1038
00:59:00.639 --> 00:59:04.400
<v Speaker 2>had that didn't make it into the documentary just because obviously, yeah,

1039
00:59:04.440 --> 00:59:08.840
<v Speaker 2>you've got a finite time there, but uh, I mean

1040
00:59:09.079 --> 00:59:11.559
<v Speaker 2>his stories and and and just awake and tell it,

1041
00:59:11.719 --> 00:59:16.599
<v Speaker 2>and and his charisma, his recall it just for me,

1042
00:59:16.679 --> 00:59:20.480
<v Speaker 2>it made it so much easier other than again having

1043
00:59:20.480 --> 00:59:24.840
<v Speaker 2>to transcribe like three hours of tape after every every meeting.

1044
00:59:25.480 --> 00:59:31.039
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I mean it's just he definitely wanted to

1045
00:59:31.079 --> 00:59:35.639
<v Speaker 2>tell his story to help others, and that's just really

1046
00:59:35.639 --> 00:59:39.559
<v Speaker 2>a continuation of what he had done, uh in Kentucky,

1047
00:59:39.840 --> 00:59:42.320
<v Speaker 2>you know, breaking that barrier line, being that first guy

1048
00:59:42.360 --> 00:59:46.599
<v Speaker 2>to go for for Marion Haskins and James Lee and

1049
00:59:46.679 --> 00:59:51.760
<v Speaker 2>Jack Gibbons and Dwayne Casey. Uh, you know, guys like

1050
00:59:51.840 --> 00:59:56.000
<v Speaker 2>that and and and to be honest, uh, you know

1051
00:59:56.039 --> 01:00:00.639
<v Speaker 2>when when Reggie, after Jack Gibbons and James Lee and

1052
01:00:00.920 --> 01:00:02.960
<v Speaker 2>that class got there, there was no way he was

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01:00:03.039 --> 01:00:06.360
<v Speaker 2>leaving Kentucky because you know, he had he had promised

1054
01:00:06.400 --> 01:00:08.960
<v Speaker 2>them that that he would stay and he took that

1055
01:00:09.039 --> 01:00:14.719
<v Speaker 2>responsibility seriously and obviously he did stay. But uh, but yeah,

1056
01:00:14.800 --> 01:00:20.880
<v Speaker 2>it was just his his his storytelling, his his recall

1057
01:00:21.320 --> 01:00:24.760
<v Speaker 2>and just his charisma. I mean, it was just it

1058
01:00:24.800 --> 01:00:27.119
<v Speaker 2>was such a joy to be around him. And and

1059
01:00:27.159 --> 01:00:30.239
<v Speaker 2>I'll tell you a story too, is not a story,

1060
01:00:30.280 --> 01:00:34.920
<v Speaker 2>but not one time when I saw him and he

1061
01:00:35.079 --> 01:00:39.639
<v Speaker 2>was going through unimaginable pain and suffering during that time,

1062
01:00:39.800 --> 01:00:42.559
<v Speaker 2>not one time did he not greet me with the

1063
01:00:42.599 --> 01:00:47.679
<v Speaker 2>biggest smile and just just the light like so happy

1064
01:00:47.719 --> 01:00:50.760
<v Speaker 2>to see me. And it made me feel like I

1065
01:00:50.840 --> 01:00:53.840
<v Speaker 2>was the most important person in the world. And and

1066
01:00:53.840 --> 01:00:56.119
<v Speaker 2>that to me is the measure of Reggie war for

1067
01:00:56.199 --> 01:00:59.000
<v Speaker 2>as much as anything he accomplished is just who he

1068
01:00:59.280 --> 01:01:01.480
<v Speaker 2>who he was person day in and day out.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Absolutely, that's a great way, great place to leave it.

1070
01:01:05.760 --> 01:01:08.519
<v Speaker 1>We could talk all day about Reggie, but I will

1071
01:01:08.519 --> 01:01:10.360
<v Speaker 1>say that you need to get the book, make it,

1072
01:01:10.400 --> 01:01:14.360
<v Speaker 1>like I said, part of your UK library and tell

1073
01:01:14.360 --> 01:01:16.400
<v Speaker 1>you what. Next time I call, we'll talk to some

1074
01:01:16.519 --> 01:01:19.079
<v Speaker 1>Steelers because I got a lot of friends that were

1075
01:01:19.119 --> 01:01:23.039
<v Speaker 1>Steelers fans. But again, finite time doing us in. But

1076
01:01:23.079 --> 01:01:24.599
<v Speaker 1>Scott Brown, thank you so much for.

1077
01:01:24.559 --> 01:01:27.320
<v Speaker 2>Your time, big thank you for having me on. And

1078
01:01:27.360 --> 01:01:29.719
<v Speaker 2>again I just want to reiterate how much Red and

1079
01:01:29.760 --> 01:01:33.880
<v Speaker 2>his family appreciate all that you did for Reggie and

1080
01:01:33.960 --> 01:01:34.920
<v Speaker 2>getting his story out.

1081
01:01:35.039 --> 01:01:37.159
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I appreciate it. Thanks Scott, have a great.

1082
01:01:37.000 --> 01:01:37.840
<v Speaker 2>One you too.

1083
01:01:37.920 --> 01:01:41.199
<v Speaker 1>Thanks Up next Christy Thomas of the SEC Network and

1084
01:01:41.280 --> 01:01:45.000
<v Speaker 1>the UK Network on the Big Blone Siders six thirty WLAP.

1085
01:01:45.199 --> 01:01:48.639
<v Speaker 1>Welcome back, join now by longtime friend and colleague Christy

1086
01:01:48.760 --> 01:01:52.400
<v Speaker 1>Thomas of the UK Network and SEC Plus, and that's

1087
01:01:52.400 --> 01:01:54.960
<v Speaker 1>who she was working for last night. She and Jeffiicoro

1088
01:01:55.119 --> 01:01:58.320
<v Speaker 1>calling the action as the UK women opened up Southeastern

1089
01:01:58.360 --> 01:02:01.079
<v Speaker 1>Conference play, and Chris I wroted it off the numbers

1090
01:02:01.119 --> 01:02:03.840
<v Speaker 1>earlier in the show, but suffice it to say, I

1091
01:02:03.880 --> 01:02:06.960
<v Speaker 1>got to think, a you guys didn't expect to see

1092
01:02:06.960 --> 01:02:10.000
<v Speaker 1>that kind of shooting prowess from this team. I don't

1093
01:02:10.000 --> 01:02:11.400
<v Speaker 1>know if it was in a game plan or not,

1094
01:02:12.000 --> 01:02:15.320
<v Speaker 1>but obviously they said a new record and be a

1095
01:02:15.320 --> 01:02:19.239
<v Speaker 1>blowout win over a decent Mississippi State team in Kenny

1096
01:02:19.239 --> 01:02:22.159
<v Speaker 1>Brooks's first Southeastern Conference game. What does that tell us?

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01:02:23.440 --> 01:02:25.679
<v Speaker 3>Well, I think there's a good bit to unpack as

1098
01:02:25.679 --> 01:02:29.599
<v Speaker 3>far as all that goes. One would be that I

1099
01:02:29.639 --> 01:02:32.360
<v Speaker 3>think what we saw with Mississippi State coming into that

1100
01:02:32.400 --> 01:02:34.880
<v Speaker 3>game at thirteen and one is that their non conference

1101
01:02:34.920 --> 01:02:39.000
<v Speaker 3>schedule really wasn't maybe as difficult as what it should

1102
01:02:39.079 --> 01:02:41.119
<v Speaker 3>have been to get them ready for a league play.

1103
01:02:41.199 --> 01:02:42.920
<v Speaker 3>So I think that's one piece of it. I think

1104
01:02:42.920 --> 01:02:46.239
<v Speaker 3>the other piece of it is that this Kentucky team

1105
01:02:46.639 --> 01:02:50.719
<v Speaker 3>is probably underestimated, and you know, I thought they could

1106
01:02:50.840 --> 01:02:53.000
<v Speaker 3>they could win that game last night, No question, did

1107
01:02:53.079 --> 01:02:55.519
<v Speaker 3>I think they could win it like that and per

1108
01:02:55.559 --> 01:02:58.639
<v Speaker 3>form like that. I'm not so sure because we've seen

1109
01:02:58.679 --> 01:03:01.079
<v Speaker 3>some really good things out of this team this year.

1110
01:03:01.199 --> 01:03:04.039
<v Speaker 3>But you know, I go to go to shoot around.

1111
01:03:04.119 --> 01:03:06.079
<v Speaker 3>I watched shoot around a lot, and I know this

1112
01:03:06.119 --> 01:03:09.559
<v Speaker 3>team can shoot. There's no question this team can shoot.

1113
01:03:09.559 --> 01:03:12.719
<v Speaker 3>And that's something that Deja Lawrence said last night in

1114
01:03:12.800 --> 01:03:15.400
<v Speaker 3>the post game with us, was I know I'm a

1115
01:03:15.400 --> 01:03:17.760
<v Speaker 3>good shooter, right, I mean, so she said this was

1116
01:03:17.800 --> 01:03:19.360
<v Speaker 3>just a matter of getting in the gym and just

1117
01:03:19.400 --> 01:03:22.639
<v Speaker 3>getting up shots and then having that confidence, the same

1118
01:03:22.719 --> 01:03:24.760
<v Speaker 3>kind of confidence that their coach has, and then that

1119
01:03:24.800 --> 01:03:27.800
<v Speaker 3>they they have to find that in themselves. And last

1120
01:03:27.880 --> 01:03:29.760
<v Speaker 3>night they did that. And you know, this is much

1121
01:03:29.880 --> 01:03:33.199
<v Speaker 3>like baseball when your leadoff man gets a hit and

1122
01:03:33.239 --> 01:03:35.239
<v Speaker 3>you're just passing the bat and then everybody can get

1123
01:03:35.239 --> 01:03:37.760
<v Speaker 3>a hit. Basketball is the same way. If you see

1124
01:03:37.760 --> 01:03:39.920
<v Speaker 3>one teammate knock down a shot and then another one,

1125
01:03:40.000 --> 01:03:42.599
<v Speaker 3>everybody starts to gain a little bit of confidence. That

1126
01:03:43.039 --> 01:03:46.280
<v Speaker 3>these two young ladies were absolutely on fire last night,

1127
01:03:46.320 --> 01:03:50.199
<v Speaker 3>which was making it impossible to guard them. I mean,

1128
01:03:50.239 --> 01:03:52.599
<v Speaker 3>they were hitting three pointers that that I felt like

1129
01:03:52.840 --> 01:03:56.000
<v Speaker 3>were relatively contested, so and you could just kind of

1130
01:03:56.000 --> 01:03:58.480
<v Speaker 3>see Sam Purcell kind of throw his hands up like,

1131
01:03:58.519 --> 01:04:00.159
<v Speaker 3>I don't, don't, I don't know what else to do.

1132
01:04:00.360 --> 01:04:03.320
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, this was this was a game that it

1133
01:04:03.480 --> 01:04:06.679
<v Speaker 3>really all came together for Kentucky in all the right

1134
01:04:06.719 --> 01:04:08.199
<v Speaker 3>ways because I thought they were really good on the

1135
01:04:08.199 --> 01:04:09.000
<v Speaker 3>defensive end too.

1136
01:04:09.079 --> 01:04:11.280
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, I'll get to that in a minute. But

1137
01:04:11.480 --> 01:04:14.320
<v Speaker 1>speaking of the shooting I mentioned earlier, Dajiel Lawrence did

1138
01:04:14.360 --> 01:04:17.760
<v Speaker 1>a great job filling lanes, spotting up on the outside.

1139
01:04:18.159 --> 01:04:21.639
<v Speaker 1>Georgia Aymore Christy, it seemed like half of her threes

1140
01:04:21.679 --> 01:04:24.119
<v Speaker 1>were on the run, on the move. And I know

1141
01:04:24.159 --> 01:04:26.960
<v Speaker 1>you were a post player, but you can appreciate somebody

1142
01:04:26.960 --> 01:04:31.079
<v Speaker 1>who gets those feed organized, as Bill Rafferty says, and

1143
01:04:31.519 --> 01:04:33.199
<v Speaker 1>her form was just flawless.

1144
01:04:34.400 --> 01:04:37.920
<v Speaker 3>And this isn't something that Listen, she's gifted, and you

1145
01:04:37.920 --> 01:04:40.360
<v Speaker 3>know she's athletic and all those things that this young

1146
01:04:40.440 --> 01:04:43.320
<v Speaker 3>lady works at it so make no mistake that this

1147
01:04:43.480 --> 01:04:47.599
<v Speaker 3>isn't something that she works at. These young ladies come

1148
01:04:47.639 --> 01:04:52.039
<v Speaker 3>in an hour before practice, an hour before they're shoot around,

1149
01:04:52.199 --> 01:04:55.159
<v Speaker 3>and get in extra work in order to be able

1150
01:04:55.199 --> 01:04:57.320
<v Speaker 3>to fine tune things like that to be able to

1151
01:04:57.400 --> 01:05:00.280
<v Speaker 3>offer that in a game. You know, when you're coming

1152
01:05:00.360 --> 01:05:02.800
<v Speaker 3>off the screen that quick. Really, she's only five six,

1153
01:05:03.320 --> 01:05:05.719
<v Speaker 3>so you know she's she's not very big in that way,

1154
01:05:05.760 --> 01:05:07.159
<v Speaker 3>so she's got to be able to get that shot

1155
01:05:07.159 --> 01:05:09.840
<v Speaker 3>off quickly, and she does that. But she elevates so

1156
01:05:10.000 --> 01:05:13.039
<v Speaker 3>well for her size, which is another huge feather in

1157
01:05:13.079 --> 01:05:15.880
<v Speaker 3>her cap She's got great shooting form and she has

1158
01:05:16.039 --> 01:05:19.400
<v Speaker 3>an enormous amount of confidence. All that to mix together

1159
01:05:20.320 --> 01:05:24.800
<v Speaker 3>is a dangerous player and so I think that's what

1160
01:05:24.840 --> 01:05:26.800
<v Speaker 3>I love. But I tell you from her stat line

1161
01:05:26.880 --> 01:05:30.079
<v Speaker 3>is so impressive from a scoring perspective, you know, hitting

1162
01:05:30.119 --> 01:05:32.440
<v Speaker 3>seven of ten three pointers, but she had nine assists.

1163
01:05:32.480 --> 01:05:34.719
<v Speaker 3>And that's what I think I love about that balance

1164
01:05:34.719 --> 01:05:38.280
<v Speaker 3>that you get with Georgia Amore is that she above

1165
01:05:38.320 --> 01:05:41.199
<v Speaker 3>all else, has such a high basketball IQ that she

1166
01:05:41.360 --> 01:05:44.960
<v Speaker 3>absolutely understands how and when to facilitate for a team,

1167
01:05:45.119 --> 01:05:47.480
<v Speaker 3>and then how and when to score for her team.

1168
01:05:47.559 --> 01:05:49.360
<v Speaker 3>You know, they had a run of about they would

1169
01:05:49.400 --> 01:05:52.760
<v Speaker 3>zero for five on a couple of trips, and she

1170
01:05:52.920 --> 01:05:55.639
<v Speaker 3>came down and threw up a shot that you think, oh,

1171
01:05:55.679 --> 01:05:57.320
<v Speaker 3>is that the one, and you're like, well, heck yeah,

1172
01:05:57.360 --> 01:05:59.559
<v Speaker 3>because it went in. So she just gets it. She

1173
01:05:59.639 --> 01:06:02.920
<v Speaker 3>just underunderstands what her capabilities are and what she brings

1174
01:06:02.960 --> 01:06:04.719
<v Speaker 3>to the table for a team, and she knows when

1175
01:06:04.719 --> 01:06:05.280
<v Speaker 3>to offer it.

1176
01:06:05.840 --> 01:06:08.519
<v Speaker 1>I like it when she she goes over and talks

1177
01:06:08.559 --> 01:06:12.119
<v Speaker 1>to Kenny Brooks while her team or the other team

1178
01:06:12.159 --> 01:06:14.760
<v Speaker 1>shooting freeze is whatever. And I'm always saying, man, I'd

1179
01:06:14.760 --> 01:06:16.440
<v Speaker 1>love to hear what they're talking about. You know.

1180
01:06:17.719 --> 01:06:21.079
<v Speaker 3>Oh, yeah, they've got such a special relationship and there's

1181
01:06:21.119 --> 01:06:23.760
<v Speaker 3>such a mutual respect for each other, and you know

1182
01:06:23.960 --> 01:06:27.119
<v Speaker 3>that's that's something that has been earned over the years,

1183
01:06:27.360 --> 01:06:30.679
<v Speaker 3>and you know, this is something I think that you know,

1184
01:06:30.719 --> 01:06:33.199
<v Speaker 3>there's only there's two players that remained from last year's team.

1185
01:06:33.239 --> 01:06:35.639
<v Speaker 3>That's Sanaia Tyler and Cassidy Row. And I think Sanaia

1186
01:06:35.719 --> 01:06:40.639
<v Speaker 3>Tyler is learning now what Georgia Amore is knowing is

1187
01:06:40.679 --> 01:06:44.039
<v Speaker 3>that we're gonna if you buy in and you listen

1188
01:06:44.159 --> 01:06:46.000
<v Speaker 3>and you'll do what he says. I mean, you know,

1189
01:06:46.239 --> 01:06:48.679
<v Speaker 3>then you start to understand we can have a really

1190
01:06:48.719 --> 01:06:51.960
<v Speaker 3>good working relationship. And that's ultimately what this is is

1191
01:06:51.960 --> 01:06:54.239
<v Speaker 3>is a relationship that is a two way street and

1192
01:06:54.239 --> 01:06:57.039
<v Speaker 3>that communication works both ways. And it's really a beautiful

1193
01:06:57.039 --> 01:06:57.599
<v Speaker 3>thing to watch.

1194
01:06:58.079 --> 01:07:00.199
<v Speaker 1>This is the biggest Kentucky team I think, I think

1195
01:07:01.440 --> 01:07:05.480
<v Speaker 1>up and down the roster. Maybe ever think that I

1196
01:07:05.480 --> 01:07:07.960
<v Speaker 1>can remember, and you've been covering almost as long as

1197
01:07:07.960 --> 01:07:11.800
<v Speaker 1>I have. But it's skilled. It's not just Biggs taking

1198
01:07:11.880 --> 01:07:14.599
<v Speaker 1>up space. I mean strack. Obviously, she's one of the

1199
01:07:14.599 --> 01:07:17.440
<v Speaker 1>best in the league, if not the country. Silva is

1200
01:07:17.480 --> 01:07:18.960
<v Speaker 1>going to be good. You and I talked about this

1201
01:07:19.039 --> 01:07:21.039
<v Speaker 1>last night after the game. When she gets in the

1202
01:07:21.119 --> 01:07:25.000
<v Speaker 1>weight room, but she helps. But the key was was

1203
01:07:25.000 --> 01:07:27.559
<v Speaker 1>was key last night the way she worked the boards

1204
01:07:27.599 --> 01:07:31.960
<v Speaker 1>against bigger and what looked like stronger Mississippi State bigs.

1205
01:07:32.199 --> 01:07:34.239
<v Speaker 1>And that's going to be so vital. As you know

1206
01:07:34.800 --> 01:07:36.320
<v Speaker 1>in the SEC this year.

1207
01:07:37.079 --> 01:07:39.559
<v Speaker 3>Johnny Key is scrappy. That's what I really saw last

1208
01:07:39.599 --> 01:07:41.639
<v Speaker 3>night from her was a player that when she comes

1209
01:07:41.639 --> 01:07:44.519
<v Speaker 3>down with the rebound and three sets of hands and

1210
01:07:44.719 --> 01:07:48.440
<v Speaker 3>arms are around her, she's able to have strong hands

1211
01:07:49.000 --> 01:07:51.039
<v Speaker 3>and get herself out of that to get the ball,

1212
01:07:51.159 --> 01:07:53.280
<v Speaker 3>to outlet the ball and get it going the other way.

1213
01:07:53.440 --> 01:07:55.920
<v Speaker 3>And she's not afraid of the fight. I think that's

1214
01:07:55.960 --> 01:07:58.320
<v Speaker 3>the other thing that you know past players, it's a

1215
01:07:58.360 --> 01:08:00.760
<v Speaker 3>different game where it's you know, it's not the same

1216
01:08:00.800 --> 01:08:02.679
<v Speaker 3>game back when I played. So that's why we see

1217
01:08:02.719 --> 01:08:05.840
<v Speaker 3>all three of these post players. I include Amelia Hassett

1218
01:08:05.840 --> 01:08:08.400
<v Speaker 3>in that in a lot of ways. But you'll see

1219
01:08:08.480 --> 01:08:12.519
<v Speaker 3>Janny Key, Claire Strike, Clara Silva step out and shoot.

1220
01:08:12.559 --> 01:08:15.480
<v Speaker 3>They'll face up. They shoot this really love. I mean,

1221
01:08:15.519 --> 01:08:17.920
<v Speaker 3>it's a it's a thing of beauty, this little fadeaway

1222
01:08:17.960 --> 01:08:22.800
<v Speaker 3>shot that's very dirt and Navidski like and and it is.

1223
01:08:22.840 --> 01:08:25.760
<v Speaker 3>It's because the game is very different, and you know,

1224
01:08:25.800 --> 01:08:28.119
<v Speaker 3>these these young ladies are learning a skill set and

1225
01:08:28.199 --> 01:08:31.119
<v Speaker 3>have a skill set that is very different from what

1226
01:08:31.159 --> 01:08:33.800
<v Speaker 3>you might think a six ' five post player would

1227
01:08:33.840 --> 01:08:36.520
<v Speaker 3>have in the game today. So you know, these young

1228
01:08:36.600 --> 01:08:40.800
<v Speaker 3>ladies are very versatile. They're all excellent passers, which certainly

1229
01:08:41.119 --> 01:08:44.359
<v Speaker 3>is we've seen on display all season long from them.

1230
01:08:44.399 --> 01:08:46.560
<v Speaker 3>They see this floor really well, so they've they've got

1231
01:08:46.560 --> 01:08:47.840
<v Speaker 3>a really special skill set.

1232
01:08:48.119 --> 01:08:52.119
<v Speaker 1>What is it about the way Kenny Brooks, I won't

1233
01:08:52.159 --> 01:08:56.359
<v Speaker 1>say coaches, but constructs offense and defense that leads you

1234
01:08:56.399 --> 01:08:59.920
<v Speaker 1>to believe that this team can can compete in the SEC?

1235
01:09:00.079 --> 01:09:01.520
<v Speaker 1>He at the upper level of the SEC.

1236
01:09:02.920 --> 01:09:05.439
<v Speaker 3>This guy's only had one losing season in his entire

1237
01:09:05.479 --> 01:09:10.560
<v Speaker 3>coaching career. So when you consider that alone, he must

1238
01:09:10.600 --> 01:09:14.439
<v Speaker 3>know what he's doing. He must be he's getting something right.

1239
01:09:14.479 --> 01:09:16.840
<v Speaker 3>But I think the big thing is is he understands

1240
01:09:16.880 --> 01:09:20.800
<v Speaker 3>what kind of player he wants, and it is a

1241
01:09:20.840 --> 01:09:22.640
<v Speaker 3>certain kind of player. He wants you to play a

1242
01:09:22.680 --> 01:09:24.600
<v Speaker 3>certain way, but he also wants you to act a

1243
01:09:24.600 --> 01:09:26.680
<v Speaker 3>certain way. He wants you to be coachable in a

1244
01:09:26.680 --> 01:09:30.279
<v Speaker 3>certain way. So he's looking for a certain type of player,

1245
01:09:30.680 --> 01:09:32.800
<v Speaker 3>and he doesn't care if you're the best player in

1246
01:09:32.800 --> 01:09:34.840
<v Speaker 3>the country. If you don't fit that mold and that's

1247
01:09:34.960 --> 01:09:37.880
<v Speaker 3>not what or who you are, then you may not

1248
01:09:37.960 --> 01:09:40.039
<v Speaker 3>fit in with this team. So I think having a

1249
01:09:40.079 --> 01:09:42.840
<v Speaker 3>real understanding of what he wants and what he's looking for,

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01:09:43.359 --> 01:09:46.880
<v Speaker 3>more than anything, brings a team together and jels a

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01:09:46.920 --> 01:09:48.960
<v Speaker 3>team together to be able to play together in a

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01:09:49.000 --> 01:09:52.319
<v Speaker 3>way that is so hard to coach and do. But

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01:09:52.359 --> 01:09:56.159
<v Speaker 3>I think him just knowing exactly what kind of player

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01:09:56.199 --> 01:10:00.760
<v Speaker 3>he wants has been the key to his six because

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01:10:01.279 --> 01:10:03.760
<v Speaker 3>you know, look, he's he's always got players that can

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01:10:03.760 --> 01:10:06.079
<v Speaker 3>shoot and players that can do a lot of different things,

1257
01:10:06.960 --> 01:10:09.000
<v Speaker 3>but they have to be able to play together. Last

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01:10:09.079 --> 01:10:13.359
<v Speaker 3>night was twenty three assists on twenty six made baskets

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01:10:13.399 --> 01:10:16.239
<v Speaker 3>for Kentucky. That the team that plays together, right, So

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01:10:16.439 --> 01:10:19.359
<v Speaker 3>I think that's that's very telling about what kind of

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01:10:19.439 --> 01:10:22.479
<v Speaker 3>team Eddie Burk wants to put together, n sorry, wants

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01:10:22.520 --> 01:10:22.960
<v Speaker 3>to put together.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I mean it's it's clear that the guy knows

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01:10:27.000 --> 01:10:29.920
<v Speaker 1>what he's doing. Obviously his resume. Yes, State staff. But

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<v Speaker 1>you know what impressed me the most last night is

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01:10:33.640 --> 01:10:35.760
<v Speaker 1>it seemed as though you got to give State credit.

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01:10:35.840 --> 01:10:38.279
<v Speaker 1>I mean, they ran their stuff and they've got good stuff,

1268
01:10:38.640 --> 01:10:41.880
<v Speaker 1>but they didn't guard very well on a three point line.

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01:10:42.239 --> 01:10:46.039
<v Speaker 1>It didn't look like Kentucky relaxed. You know, maybe for

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01:10:46.079 --> 01:10:48.079
<v Speaker 1>a minute or two, but you get out to a

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01:10:48.119 --> 01:10:51.479
<v Speaker 1>big lead and kids can lose focus. I didn't see

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<v Speaker 1>that last night, did you.

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<v Speaker 2>No.

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<v Speaker 3>I totally agree, and I actually said that coming out

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01:10:55.600 --> 01:10:58.279
<v Speaker 3>of a commercial break going into the fourth quarter is

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01:10:58.399 --> 01:11:01.000
<v Speaker 3>this is when you put the adblolutely, put your foot

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01:11:01.000 --> 01:11:05.000
<v Speaker 3>on the gas. You don't take anything for granted. But

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01:11:05.079 --> 01:11:08.079
<v Speaker 3>I think some of that comes with the experience that

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01:11:08.199 --> 01:11:11.560
<v Speaker 3>this team has. You know, a lot five players played

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01:11:11.640 --> 01:11:14.239
<v Speaker 3>thirty one plus minutes last night, so they don't have

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01:11:14.279 --> 01:11:16.840
<v Speaker 3>a deep bench, they don't have a lot of players

1282
01:11:16.840 --> 01:11:19.079
<v Speaker 3>that they play. But what you have out of those

1283
01:11:19.159 --> 01:11:21.520
<v Speaker 3>five are players that have played a lot of basketball.

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01:11:21.960 --> 01:11:25.159
<v Speaker 3>So I think they understand that and They're going to

1285
01:11:25.399 --> 01:11:29.239
<v Speaker 3>follow Georgia amore, and as Georgia goes, they will too.

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01:11:29.279 --> 01:11:32.439
<v Speaker 3>And Georgia plays as a tremendous amount of intensity from

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01:11:32.520 --> 01:11:35.399
<v Speaker 3>tip off the final buzzer, and so she's setting the

1288
01:11:35.439 --> 01:11:38.279
<v Speaker 3>tone in a lot of ways. So and this team

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01:11:38.319 --> 01:11:40.560
<v Speaker 3>wants to follow her. So I think that was huge

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01:11:40.600 --> 01:11:41.039
<v Speaker 3>last night.

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<v Speaker 1>Christy Thomas my guess. She worked last night's Kentucky Mississippi

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01:11:44.560 --> 01:11:48.000
<v Speaker 1>State game for SEC Plus along with Jeff mcorrel. We'll

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01:11:48.000 --> 01:11:50.239
<v Speaker 1>come back with more from Christy in just a minute.

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01:11:50.319 --> 01:11:53.359
<v Speaker 1>Hair on a Big one Sider six thirty WLAP Welcome

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01:11:53.399 --> 01:11:55.800
<v Speaker 1>back with talking with Christy Thomas. She worked the UK

1296
01:11:56.000 --> 01:11:59.319
<v Speaker 1>women's basketball last night for the SEC network, but she

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01:11:59.399 --> 01:12:02.439
<v Speaker 1>also is a teammate on the UK Radio network when

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01:12:02.439 --> 01:12:06.000
<v Speaker 1>it comes to Kentucky football. She and Jeremy and Logan Stenberg,

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01:12:06.000 --> 01:12:09.039
<v Speaker 1>who had a great rookie season. I thought this year he.

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01:12:09.039 --> 01:12:10.640
<v Speaker 3>Did, Yes, he was very good.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, but you guys were tasked with you open the broadcast,

1302
01:12:14.920 --> 01:12:17.720
<v Speaker 1>you look at the upcoming game, but it also evolved

1303
01:12:18.199 --> 01:12:21.840
<v Speaker 1>sifting through the previous game. And there was too many

1304
01:12:21.880 --> 01:12:26.680
<v Speaker 1>losses this year, of course, but it was such a

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01:12:26.720 --> 01:12:30.119
<v Speaker 1>head scratching season Christy. When you go back and look

1306
01:12:30.560 --> 01:12:34.000
<v Speaker 1>at some of the things Kentucky did, especially the episode

1307
01:12:34.079 --> 01:12:36.319
<v Speaker 1>went over Ollle Miss and how well the Wildcats played

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01:12:36.600 --> 01:12:39.319
<v Speaker 1>over Georgia. And I just heard you guys constantly saying

1309
01:12:39.520 --> 01:12:42.039
<v Speaker 1>if we could just get back to that level of football,

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01:12:42.520 --> 01:12:46.520
<v Speaker 1>and it never happened. And I'm just wondering, looking back

1311
01:12:46.560 --> 01:12:49.279
<v Speaker 1>on it, can you put your finger on one or

1312
01:12:49.319 --> 01:12:53.800
<v Speaker 1>two things that you look at. Did they try to

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01:12:53.840 --> 01:12:54.600
<v Speaker 1>explain it all?

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01:12:55.479 --> 01:12:58.319
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you're right, it is a head scratcher in a

1315
01:12:58.319 --> 01:12:59.840
<v Speaker 3>lot of ways. But I think there are two things

1316
01:12:59.840 --> 01:13:01.880
<v Speaker 3>that stand out to me about it. One is that

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01:13:01.920 --> 01:13:06.319
<v Speaker 3>they just didn't appear to be any player leadership. And

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01:13:06.640 --> 01:13:09.079
<v Speaker 3>I think oftentimes, as we've talked about the women and

1319
01:13:09.319 --> 01:13:12.279
<v Speaker 3>there is no question who the leaders on that women's

1320
01:13:12.319 --> 01:13:15.880
<v Speaker 3>team is, you really, I don't think there was a clear,

1321
01:13:16.479 --> 01:13:20.600
<v Speaker 3>clearly defined leader in the locker room for this football team,

1322
01:13:20.600 --> 01:13:23.239
<v Speaker 3>and that that can't happen, So, you know, I think

1323
01:13:23.279 --> 01:13:25.520
<v Speaker 3>that that's so important. But I think that's also where

1324
01:13:25.800 --> 01:13:28.319
<v Speaker 3>the transfer portal helps you and hurts you. I mean,

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01:13:28.319 --> 01:13:30.800
<v Speaker 3>you have new guys that are coming in that probably

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01:13:30.880 --> 01:13:33.159
<v Speaker 3>could be leaders, but do they take on a leadership

1327
01:13:33.239 --> 01:13:35.640
<v Speaker 3>role and they haven't been here and they don't know

1328
01:13:35.760 --> 01:13:38.920
<v Speaker 3>things like other players do. You've got to be very sure,

1329
01:13:39.279 --> 01:13:41.880
<v Speaker 3>very confident in yourself and your abilities to be able

1330
01:13:41.880 --> 01:13:44.720
<v Speaker 3>to do that in order to take on a leadership

1331
01:13:44.800 --> 01:13:48.479
<v Speaker 3>role in an environment like that. Georgia Amore was empowered

1332
01:13:48.600 --> 01:13:51.880
<v Speaker 3>to do that by the nature of the situation and

1333
01:13:51.920 --> 01:13:53.800
<v Speaker 3>her coach and that sort of thing. And I just

1334
01:13:53.840 --> 01:13:56.520
<v Speaker 3>don't think we saw that from There's not anybody you

1335
01:13:56.560 --> 01:13:58.159
<v Speaker 3>could point to to say, you know, and I've talked

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01:13:58.159 --> 01:14:00.399
<v Speaker 3>to Logan a lot, an awful lot about that with

1337
01:14:00.479 --> 01:14:03.880
<v Speaker 3>the offensive line and how they took they took it

1338
01:14:03.960 --> 01:14:08.239
<v Speaker 3>upon themselves that have their own inner workings of their

1339
01:14:08.279 --> 01:14:10.279
<v Speaker 3>own leadership and how they were going to do things,

1340
01:14:10.319 --> 01:14:11.640
<v Speaker 3>and he said, you know, I don't see that on

1341
01:14:11.680 --> 01:14:13.520
<v Speaker 3>this offensive line. And then I think the other piece

1342
01:14:13.560 --> 01:14:16.680
<v Speaker 3>of it was that we've really gotten bogged down with

1343
01:14:16.880 --> 01:14:19.319
<v Speaker 3>this nil and who can offer me what kind of thing?

1344
01:14:19.479 --> 01:14:21.760
<v Speaker 3>And you know, that's something that we talked about on

1345
01:14:22.079 --> 01:14:24.319
<v Speaker 3>the broadcast a couple of times, is who wants to

1346
01:14:24.359 --> 01:14:27.600
<v Speaker 3>play football? You know, it's one thing to want to

1347
01:14:27.640 --> 01:14:29.720
<v Speaker 3>go somewhere where you can, you know, set yourself up

1348
01:14:29.720 --> 01:14:31.439
<v Speaker 3>and make some money and do those things and I

1349
01:14:31.439 --> 01:14:34.199
<v Speaker 3>don't begrudge an athlete wanting to do that or having

1350
01:14:34.239 --> 01:14:36.800
<v Speaker 3>the ability to do that at all, but you also

1351
01:14:36.920 --> 01:14:39.239
<v Speaker 3>have to want to play the game. And I think

1352
01:14:39.279 --> 01:14:42.079
<v Speaker 3>that's where we maybe we lost a little of that

1353
01:14:42.159 --> 01:14:45.439
<v Speaker 3>with some guys that we had big expectations for this

1354
01:14:45.520 --> 01:14:48.079
<v Speaker 3>season and maybe we're a leaddown and we didn't see it.

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01:14:48.119 --> 01:14:51.399
<v Speaker 3>You've got to want to love the game and like,

1356
01:14:51.680 --> 01:14:54.680
<v Speaker 3>if it's gone tomorrow, have you left it all out there?

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01:14:54.720 --> 01:14:56.760
<v Speaker 3>And there's a lot of guys in that locker room

1358
01:14:56.800 --> 01:14:58.479
<v Speaker 3>that would have to say no, they didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>I've been talking this and last about the fact that

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01:15:02.560 --> 01:15:05.159
<v Speaker 1>and he brought it up and more than once Mark

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01:15:05.199 --> 01:15:09.079
<v Speaker 1>Stoops does. Buddy also says, look, I'm not whining and crying.

1362
01:15:09.079 --> 01:15:11.239
<v Speaker 1>I'm just saying this is what it is with the

1363
01:15:11.279 --> 01:15:17.279
<v Speaker 1>portal and nil. And he is so stereotypical of I

1364
01:15:17.279 --> 01:15:20.000
<v Speaker 1>would say ninety eight percent of the coaches in America

1365
01:15:20.119 --> 01:15:24.680
<v Speaker 1>who are just unhappy with the way things are. They've

1366
01:15:24.720 --> 01:15:27.920
<v Speaker 1>got to get together and change it. More guardrails, different calendar,

1367
01:15:28.000 --> 01:15:31.079
<v Speaker 1>do something because an old school guy like Mark Stoops

1368
01:15:31.119 --> 01:15:34.319
<v Speaker 1>is not coaching the way he wants to coach. And

1369
01:15:34.359 --> 01:15:36.000
<v Speaker 1>I got to think very few people are.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a mess. It's a complete mess. I mean, it's

1371
01:15:39.520 --> 01:15:41.840
<v Speaker 3>all the way up and down. You know, as you

1372
01:15:41.840 --> 01:15:44.239
<v Speaker 3>think about the NCAAA trying to do things for the

1373
01:15:44.279 --> 01:15:46.560
<v Speaker 3>student athlete and trying to get on the side of

1374
01:15:46.560 --> 01:15:49.399
<v Speaker 3>the student athlete, there's a way to do that with

1375
01:15:49.439 --> 01:15:51.000
<v Speaker 3>there being a happy medium. Do I know what the

1376
01:15:51.000 --> 01:15:51.560
<v Speaker 3>answers aren't?

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01:15:51.560 --> 01:15:52.159
<v Speaker 4>Absolutely not.

1378
01:15:52.239 --> 01:15:53.920
<v Speaker 3>I know we're not there, right, I mean, this is

1379
01:15:54.000 --> 01:15:57.560
<v Speaker 3>not When I think about NIL standing for name, image

1380
01:15:57.560 --> 01:15:59.920
<v Speaker 3>and likeness, I means you make money off of your

1381
01:16:00.119 --> 01:16:02.439
<v Speaker 3>or name, image and likeness. It doesn't mean I pay

1382
01:16:02.479 --> 01:16:04.880
<v Speaker 3>you to come here to play football. So I think

1383
01:16:04.880 --> 01:16:08.119
<v Speaker 3>that's where my frustration with NIL really comes in, is

1384
01:16:08.119 --> 01:16:11.039
<v Speaker 3>that you're getting paid anyway with a free education. So

1385
01:16:11.439 --> 01:16:14.319
<v Speaker 3>now whatever you do when you get here, your performance

1386
01:16:14.319 --> 01:16:17.039
<v Speaker 3>will dictate whether you get a car dealership deal, or

1387
01:16:17.079 --> 01:16:19.720
<v Speaker 3>whether you get a billboard deal, or whether you are

1388
01:16:19.800 --> 01:16:21.760
<v Speaker 3>asked to come sign autographs and get paid for that,

1389
01:16:21.880 --> 01:16:25.239
<v Speaker 3>or whether you get jerseys that you know, that's what indicates.

1390
01:16:25.279 --> 01:16:28.680
<v Speaker 3>Your performance on the field indicates what kind of money

1391
01:16:28.760 --> 01:16:31.520
<v Speaker 3>you make now on your name, image and likeness. So

1392
01:16:31.760 --> 01:16:34.479
<v Speaker 3>I think that's what's gotten lost for me, is it's

1393
01:16:34.520 --> 01:16:37.760
<v Speaker 3>like why are we paying people? And then these kids

1394
01:16:37.760 --> 01:16:40.159
<v Speaker 3>are getting disappointed because a lot of times they're being

1395
01:16:40.199 --> 01:16:43.760
<v Speaker 3>promised things that are not being delivered. So, you know,

1396
01:16:43.800 --> 01:16:45.600
<v Speaker 3>and then I think the transfer portal has just become

1397
01:16:45.640 --> 01:16:48.720
<v Speaker 3>really a very sad place for a lot of athletes

1398
01:16:48.760 --> 01:16:51.319
<v Speaker 3>because they go there and never come out, and then

1399
01:16:51.359 --> 01:16:53.439
<v Speaker 3>they realize maybe they've made a mistake. And I said,

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01:16:53.439 --> 01:16:55.479
<v Speaker 3>you know, I think as we look back, what I

1401
01:16:55.520 --> 01:16:58.239
<v Speaker 3>want to see is in ten to fifteen years, these

1402
01:16:58.359 --> 01:17:01.079
<v Speaker 3>athletes that made these decisions and did these things, what

1403
01:17:01.199 --> 01:17:03.239
<v Speaker 3>kind of regrets do they have, because we need to

1404
01:17:03.319 --> 01:17:04.479
<v Speaker 3>learn from that as well too.

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01:17:04.560 --> 01:17:07.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that soleness and there's going to be way too

1406
01:17:07.159 --> 01:17:10.560
<v Speaker 1>many sitting back blaming other people pointing for you.

1407
01:17:10.920 --> 01:17:12.319
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's right, that's right.

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01:17:12.520 --> 01:17:16.159
<v Speaker 1>I also fear for the high school kids because now

1409
01:17:16.760 --> 01:17:19.640
<v Speaker 1>you know how many kids are going to be ignored. Well,

1410
01:17:19.680 --> 01:17:22.319
<v Speaker 1>instead of going into the high school ranks, let's use

1411
01:17:22.359 --> 01:17:25.840
<v Speaker 1>the portal, uh, you know in mass and uh it's

1412
01:17:26.079 --> 01:17:29.119
<v Speaker 1>like I said, this has got the change. And I

1413
01:17:29.159 --> 01:17:33.279
<v Speaker 1>don't bash the NCAA in air quotes like most people, because, uh,

1414
01:17:33.399 --> 01:17:35.920
<v Speaker 1>it is a collection of the schools, but there's got

1415
01:17:35.920 --> 01:17:39.560
<v Speaker 1>to be leadership at the top. Whether it's in Indianapolis

1416
01:17:39.680 --> 01:17:43.039
<v Speaker 1>or on committees, you know, chancellors eighties or whatever. They've

1417
01:17:43.039 --> 01:17:45.359
<v Speaker 1>got to fix this and they can do it, can't they.

1418
01:17:46.319 --> 01:17:48.359
<v Speaker 3>Well, they can fix it, that they have to do

1419
01:17:48.399 --> 01:17:49.800
<v Speaker 3>it with some quickness.

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01:17:49.399 --> 01:17:50.680
<v Speaker 2>Like, let's don't drag our feet.

1421
01:17:50.760 --> 01:17:52.359
<v Speaker 3>Let's don't let you know, let's don't make it a

1422
01:17:52.479 --> 01:17:55.199
<v Speaker 3>year's long process. I think that's the other frustration that

1423
01:17:55.600 --> 01:17:57.720
<v Speaker 3>a lot of fans have is why does something take

1424
01:17:57.920 --> 01:17:58.920
<v Speaker 3>so long to do it?

1425
01:17:58.960 --> 01:17:59.399
<v Speaker 1>Shouldn't.

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01:17:59.439 --> 01:18:01.520
<v Speaker 3>I mean, you all know there's a problem. You know

1427
01:18:01.560 --> 01:18:03.600
<v Speaker 3>there need to be changes. Let's talk about it, Let's

1428
01:18:03.600 --> 01:18:05.520
<v Speaker 3>get it done. Let's figure out what those are. And

1429
01:18:05.560 --> 01:18:08.720
<v Speaker 3>they don't have to all be instituted at once, you know.

1430
01:18:08.800 --> 01:18:11.600
<v Speaker 3>Let's let's start to make small changes that are better

1431
01:18:11.640 --> 01:18:13.439
<v Speaker 3>for the game and better for the athlete, better.

1432
01:18:13.279 --> 01:18:13.760
<v Speaker 4>For the school.

1433
01:18:13.840 --> 01:18:16.479
<v Speaker 3>Let's make it better for everybody. But let's get to it.

1434
01:18:16.560 --> 01:18:19.000
<v Speaker 3>Let's let's don't keep dragging our feed and take years

1435
01:18:19.039 --> 01:18:19.920
<v Speaker 3>to make this happen.

1436
01:18:20.079 --> 01:18:23.840
<v Speaker 1>Well, because their member institutions, they have committee meetings that

1437
01:18:23.960 --> 01:18:26.640
<v Speaker 1>only happen a few times a year and all that,

1438
01:18:26.720 --> 01:18:30.680
<v Speaker 1>maybe they need to change the entire structure, create a

1439
01:18:30.720 --> 01:18:35.159
<v Speaker 1>czar or somebody like that you know, with with eight

1440
01:18:35.239 --> 01:18:37.960
<v Speaker 1>or ten people working with them on behalf of this

1441
01:18:38.039 --> 01:18:39.880
<v Speaker 1>because I don't know, but you're right.

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01:18:39.720 --> 01:18:43.159
<v Speaker 3>It's well, it's like it's like this corporate America nonsense. Right,

1443
01:18:43.199 --> 01:18:45.680
<v Speaker 3>It's like just because you meet a couple like you

1444
01:18:45.720 --> 01:18:47.640
<v Speaker 3>guys are in charge figure it out. I mean, this

1445
01:18:47.760 --> 01:18:51.039
<v Speaker 3>is you know, like, let's problem solve this and figure

1446
01:18:51.079 --> 01:18:52.560
<v Speaker 3>it out. If you only meet a couple of times

1447
01:18:52.600 --> 01:18:54.600
<v Speaker 3>a year, then maybe that's not enough. Let's figure this thing.

1448
01:18:55.000 --> 01:18:56.159
<v Speaker 4>You know, it's not rocket science.

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01:18:56.720 --> 01:19:00.239
<v Speaker 1>Christy Thomas of the UK Network watch your own sec pluses. Well,

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01:19:00.239 --> 01:19:01.680
<v Speaker 1>thank you so much, have a good one.

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01:19:02.399 --> 01:19:04.640
<v Speaker 3>Hey, thanks for having me and that'll do it.

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01:19:04.640 --> 01:19:07.680
<v Speaker 1>Thanks to my guest Christy Thomas, Scott Brown and Justin

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01:19:07.760 --> 01:19:11.319
<v Speaker 1>Rowland Tomorrow Kentucky Basketball eleven AM Tip with Tom Leach

1454
01:19:11.359 --> 01:19:13.760
<v Speaker 1>and Jack Gibbons. Thanks for joining us. That's it. Good

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<v Speaker 1>night from the garage in Lexington.

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<v Speaker 4>Where the hell have you been?

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<v Speaker 1>Soldier training? Sir? What kind of training? Son?

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<v Speaker 2>Be me training, sir?

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<v Speaker 4>Day amer
