Speaker 1: And nine Cognition six five four three two one zero,
all engine running.
Speaker 2: It's Tuesday. You know what that means. It's time for
Ignition with the AAW Fan podcast team. We've got a
lot to talk about tonight. We have the a W
World Send Fallout, and we've got aw Holiday Smash or
New Year's Smash coming tomorrow night on aw Dynamite. This
is Kelson and.
Speaker 3: This is Yess. I am just breaking in here to
let you all know that if you are in a
Ring of Honor fan, Ring of Honor is ringing in
the new year with a live stream on YouTube. They
will be playing all of their main events from twenty
twenty five, plus plus other matches from their other events
and pay per views, So that might be something if
you're interested in checking out Ring of Honor check that out. Yes,
speaking of pay per views, World's End last weekend, great show.
I've been saying that the show was booked for me,
and one of the reasons it was booked for me
is my personal favorite John Moxley. He won the Continental Classic.
It was awesome. What do you guys think, A.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not. Mosley is someone I don't think any
of us predicted. I'm very surprised. I don't I don't
mind it at all. I'm not upset about it. I
just don't know if he needed it, Like I feel
like this was the time to elevate Tyle Fletcher. But
you know that's me. He was my pick from the beginning.
So I'm a little biased on that good match with Hoka.
The pay per view as a whole, I thought it
was good, which is a little weird to say about
an AW pay per view. It's just, yeah, that it
was just it was good.
Speaker 2: It was good. I mean, AW pay per views don't miss.
But when it comes to ranking, I put up a
post Chris and Jess up on the AW Fantom Summer
and in other places as well. A lot of the
nine pay per views, pretty much everybody except for one
or two people put World's End in the bottom third,
like the bottom three pay per views. That's not to
say that these people were saying it was a bad
pay per view. It just wasn't. You know.
Speaker 1: It's the difference between getting a you know, twenty two
ounce quarterhouse cooked perfectly, you know, with all the sides
and trimmings, and get no, get they perfectly cooked Starloin
with basic side like nothing that the pay per viewing.
We've had so many pay per views with these memorable
moments and matches, and it feels like this one just
kind of had really good matches, really good moments, but
nothing that you know, really stood out as being.
Speaker 2: Like the good. The best way I can explain it
to you, guys is like when Hagman Adam Paige defeated
John Moxley at all In. You you remember that John
Moxley lost to Adam Page at all In. You know,
six months later, six months from now, I'm not gonna
remember a single match from World's End. I personally, that's
just me now, Jess, I know that I've seen you
post that you thought that this pay per view was
booked just for you.
Speaker 3: Yep, it everything I liked. I mean, like, the only
way it could have been better if somehow Kenny Omega
could have been on the show, and uh if Coda
Ibushi magically healed and he was on there too, and
maybe if swerved and uh Hagman Paige kissed a little
uh oh god, d kidding.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, We're not going there? Are we kidding?
Speaker 3: Or am I I'm kidding but no, it was other
than the absence of Kenny Omega. It was literally everything
I like. So it's amazing how subjectivity works, isn't it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But like I said, there's subjectivity, but it's not negativity,
you know what I mean. It's not like like Chris
and I said that it was a bad pay per view.
Speaker 1: No, no, not at all. It was We're spoiled with AWA. Honestly,
we have had so so many great PA previews, matches, amazing, memorable,
crazy stuff that it seems like a good pay per
view is slightly disappointing. Like not that I was. I
enjoyed it. I didn't feel like I wasted my money,
had fun with the show. Just of the what ten
pay per views this year, I want to say maybe, Okay,
I knew it was somewhere close to that. Of the
nine pay per views, I would say this was probably
my seventh or eighth.
Speaker 2: I need to break in here and I and I
apologize for making this. Jess, you've got a new headphone.
I understand that. Uh, either your microphone is in your
mouth or whatever, because I could hear every breath that
you're taking. The sorry, i'll mute, well move the microphone
away from your mouth. I did the same thing with
this microphone, and.
Speaker 3: People were telling though, like, this is a razor headset,
so there's no like adjustable mic. It's built into the ear,
so I can't really move it.
Speaker 2: Okay, well, not a big deal.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I moved it back. Is that a little better?
Speaker 2: So you got Yeah? So with with the you just
have to mute. I guess With the Continental Classic, I mean,
we had Kyle Fletcher against Max, when we had Okada
against Takeshta. I did like the storytelling with the screwdriver,
But what did you think of the qualifying matches? The well,
not the qualifying the semi final matches excellent.
Speaker 3: Can I talk about the screwdriver for a second. Sure,
I was brought this up on the Discord. The discord
is great, by the way, if you haven't joined joined,
we're great people. But I mentioned the wild dichotomy of
like the top people in the Callous family right now,
and as it pertains to this screwdriver because at first
I in the first match, I thought Callous hid the screwdriver,
but it turns out it was Kyle. Kyle hid the
screwdriver for himself to use. Okata found out about it
somehow he used it. So now there's this way the
top three people in the Callous family are all mad
at each other, like Takeush does mad at Okata and
maybe mad at Kyle for bringing the screwdriver in the
first place, and Kyle's probably mad at Okada for stealing
his screwdriver. I can't wait to see how this plays out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what about you, Chris, what did you think about
the semi final matches?
Speaker 1: I enjoyed both matches. I probably enjoyed Ocata to catch
a little more because they went kind of kind of
a classic New Japan style almost, you know, kind of
the slow build and then it really ramped up and
then crazy finishers and encounters. And the screwdriver thing is
interesting because it, I mean, it gives to casta like
Okay Okata couldn't actually be he had to use a
fricking screwdriver, like what a little bit. And then I
thought the Fletcher Maxley match was great, those who went
all out and again the screwdriver comes into play. But
like I said, that'll be really interesting, you know, to
see how that all kind of plays out. And Okada
and to Kestra probably aren't even on the show tomorrow
night because of Wressell Kingdom. But if they are, that'll
be very interesting to see, you know, like does Kyle
blame Okada like you screwed me over?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: Is to kestin mad because Kyle put the screwdriver out
there in the first place. Good matches, good story to
come out of both of them. Looking forward to see
what happens with the whole screwdriver Gake.
Speaker 2: You know, one thing that I've got to say this
is that I thought it was a mistake for Tony
Kah to put Takesha Nakada up first. And the reason
why is because, as you said, Chris, it was a
new Japan style match. It was a slow burn, and
I don't really think that Takeshta and Okada really expressed
their distrust and or hatred to each other very well
in this match. I think it was for the most
part just a regular match until the end. I didn't
get the you know, the the turmoil that's going in
in don Kallis family through the It was not the
best in ring storytelling match as far as continuing that
story uh for me, and I thought it started out
really slow, and to be honest, with you. I lost
interest in the match probably until about halfway through the
batch because the matches started out so slow. I don't
think that that match was the right match to go with.
But then again, you kind of had to do that
because it played into the screwdriver thing, and the screwdriver
thing would not have worked unless you know that match
went first. So but I did think that that was
not the right match to go with first. Plus I
think it was the match in the semi finals of
people were really looking forward to the most. I don't know,
it was just something about that match. It was just
a little off from the beginning. And maybe it was
because it was a New Japan style match and not
an American match American style match, but it just didn't
work for me.
Speaker 1: Brother, Yeah, and that's exactly why it did work for me,
because I mean, I love I love that New Japan style,
that kind of slow build and you know, feeling each
other out. I think the end is what really launches
the hatred between them. Like up to now, it's sure sure,
up to now it's been antagonistic and a little like
whatever you can do, I can do better, But there
hasn't been that moment where You're like, Okay, I hate you.
I want to be ever loving wrap out of you
the next time I see your stupid face. But now
with Okada using the screwdriver, you know, feeling, and then
he didn't even win, Like if you're a kicksty you
gotta be really pissed, like, Okay, you screwed me over,
you hit me in the head with the screwdriver, and
then you didn't even win.
Speaker 2: You Yeah, I mean it was just weird because is
it just me? Or did John Moxley become a babyface organically? Yes?
Speaker 3: And Daniel Brian Daniel, Brian Danielson.
Speaker 2: Well, which one is it? Jazz? Come on?
Speaker 3: Brian Danielson actually put it very well, like there is
no interference allowed in the Continental Classic. Cheating apparently is fine,
but uh, no interference allowed, and since interference is the
death writer's stick, basically, this tournament has let mox be
mox again basically, and the crowd is warmed up and
come around to him.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, look, I'm gonna say this a lot of look.
I run the aw fan Hub, Instagram, Blue sky X
account threads. I'm a moderator on the discord. I'm a
moderator on the subreddit as well, and when it came
to the post Continental Classic or World's End I'm sorry,
World's End discussion. On all those platforms, more people were
talking about Orange Cassidy and Tony Storm dancing that they
were about the Continental Classic matches. I've said it before
and I'll say it again. Uh And I said this
last week. I believe that the C two Tournament should
have started at least one, probably two weeks earlier, because
we didn't know who the participants were in the C
two semi finals until Christmas Night, and that was a
night where aw AW Collision was Christmas Collision was on
a different night, at a different time, on a holiday
where a lot of people didn't really watch professional wrestling
or much of anything else that night. You know what
I'm saying. I think that having that the semi final
set literally two days before the actual pay per view
kind of hurt the pay per view a little bit
and the hype around it. I wish they would have
ended it at least a week earlier so that you
could had vignette or in ring promos just to raise
the angst, you know, raise raise the interest. I guess
that's the best way to p also, I mean, think
about it. They couldn't go out, like if John Moxley
was out there on you know, in Chicago doing a
press tour, you know, to hype up World's End on
Tuesday Night, he couldn't say anything about his participation in
the semi finals because that had not been determined yet,
at least not on a national TV level. You understand
what I'm saying there. I mean it hurt. It hurt
not only the the the booking for the show, but
it also hurt the hype leading up to the show
in different ways.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I understand, Like I was actually really interested in
what was going on on that on that Christmas show,
and I would have watched it, but it was Christmas.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I said it to record. I didn't
start it until probably an hour and a half and
uncause I was sot over at my brothers because he
demanded that I watched Daddy's Home too, because he swore
it was the Christmas movie and sadly bastards right, But yeah,
I mean I didn't even start so late. A week
earlier would have been perfect, Like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean, I mean, look, I mean it's Christmas.
People with families are probably getting you know, with the
kids probably getting up at five to five am in
the morning because they were excited about opening their presence
from Santa. I know, I did it when I was
a kid. The parents are probably exhausted. I think a
lot of people were probably in bed by nine pm
Eastern time when Christmas collisions started. I'm just saying, I mean,
I don't think it was her shatteringly bad. Don't get
me wrong. I just think I'm just saying I would
have probably done it somewhat a different way. But let's
move on, because guess what else happened at world's end.
We have a new a W men's World champion. My scumbag,
my scumbag. He's our scumbag, he is everybody's scumbag.
Speaker 1: He's the world scumbag.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Now he's gonna be appearing tomorrow night on Dynamite.
I just want to hear what you guys think is
gonna happen on Dynamite tomorrow night. And of course, also,
what do you think about MGF winning the world championship
at World Sad.
Speaker 3: I know exactly what's gonna happen. Gloating, gloating of epic proportions.
Speaker 2: I love.
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 3: I as soon as he came back, I was rooting
for him. He is indeed my scumbag, and I wanted
him to win and he did. Like I said, this
show was booked for me, so I was quite happy
to see him win.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean, gloating is definitely gonna happen. I
will bet anyone twenty seven million dollars that we are reminded.
His name is Maxwell Jacob Freedman, and he is better
than us. And we know it, damn right, we did,
you know? I His return promo was great, you know,
and the fact he did a squash match before, like
where he was the guy who would never wrestle and
now he's the guy who says he's gonna wrestle but
still spends eighty five percent of the match on the outside,
just waiting for his spot. And you know, he took
it brilliantly. The way he won the title was brilliant.
Him beating Joe at the pay per view where Joe
beat him. I mean, that's a full circle moment. I'm
excited to see the title run. I wasn't particularly happy
that hang Man lost so soon after winning the title.
But I see why they did it. I see why
they put it on Shoe. You know, you have this moment.
Hang Man's going to be over as a baby face
no matter what he does, just because we've been on
this whole crazy journey with him for years and him
being you know, him and Swerve can both say, hey,
we weren't pinned, we won our shot, and m JF,
being the scumbag he is, will probably be like, fight
for it and then we can get more out of that,
you know, the greatest rivalry in aw history. While MJF,
you know, fused with someone else and then we get
hang Man, then we get Swore. There's so many matches
for him to potentially have. I'm looking forward to the
run overall.
Speaker 3: You know what makes it even more for all you
need just one little note here, you know what makes
it even more full Circley, Do you know who else
was back kind of at World's end? Adam Cole? Baby?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I actually missed it up a little bit when
I saw him on the screen. I'm not gonna lie
I did. I mean. I really like Adam Cole. He's
a great talker. Unfortunately, because of the injuries, we haven't
seen the extent of what he can do in the ring.
But I do think that they're and I do hope
that aw As plans for Adam Cole in twenty twenty
six if he's able to travel. If he's able to travel,
then I think we'll see a lot more of him.
If not, we may see a lot more of him
like we did at World's End. Remotely true.
Speaker 3: Priority number one for me is Adam Cole's health. Priority
number two. Priority number two for me is a Brochacho reunion.
Speaker 2: By the way, I don't know if you caught this,
but I think that MJF did a tribute to Adam
Cole during World's End because he was looking mighty yellow.
Well he also Sunrise, Yeah he did, but I'm just
saying he he looked like yellow bastard. He sure did.
But look, when it comes to what I expect for
tomorrow night, I put a little bit, well a little bit,
far too much, far too much thought into this. Here's
what I want to see tomorrow night. I want to
hear MGS music hit. I want to see him come
out carrying a Birdberry briefcase. I want to see it.
I want to see it, see him carrying a Birdy.
He has the belt stop straight on his shoulder, but
he's carrying a Birdbery briefcase. He gets in the rink
because when he won the championship at World's End, he
was like this. He basically said, this stuff is coming
off right away, you know, pointing to the straps and whatnot.
So I think in the briefcase, which is kind of
a tongue in cheek throwback to the Death Writers and
John Moxley's run with the aw Men's World Championship, he
brings the briefcase to the ring, the Burbery briefcase to
the ring. He throws the aw Men's World title into
the trash like he did the last time, opens up
the Birdbery briefcase and there you have the triple B.
He's got to bring out the triple B tomorrow night.
I just think the briefcase would be an mjfish touch.
Speaker 3: The triple B in the triple B, the big Breverery
belt in the big Birbery briefcase.
Speaker 2: It's a big Yeah. It's that would make it a
quad B, wouldn't it. No, No, triple B in a
bit of briefcase is a quad be. So there you go.
Speaker 1: No, but b B B B B B.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, okay, we're getting a little weird here, But anyway,
I do want to give a shout out to the
greatest transitional champion in a W history, Samoa Joe. You
can't deny that he's just he's been a transitional champion
every time that he's had the bell. He is. He's
good at it. Uh, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I also like to thank Samoa Joe for the beautiful
tribute to early era Dark Order with his squad of
nameless creepers.
Speaker 2: Yeah oh boy. But anyway, uh, let's move on because
we've got a lot to talk about. I want to
talk If you look at the graphic on the screen,
that is techless graphic graphic. I want to talk about
the women's division because as we sit right now, we've
got the aw Women's World Championship, we've got the AWTBS Championship,
and we've got the Women's Tag Team World Championship. What
we don't have is really any clear and obvious challengers.
Maybe you could say Athena for Mercedes Monet, but there's
absolutely no one that I can think of that is
a clear and obvious contender for Chris Statlanders title and neither.
There's nobody that I can think of that is a
contender for the Women's World tag team titles. The reason
I put Tekla's graphic up is because she's one of
those that could be in line to challenge for all.
I really think she's a viable contender for all three.
But what I'm interested in knowing is who do you
guys think are viable contenders for each of these championships?
Don't forget keep in mind also that the next pay
per view for aw isn't until March Revolution. Yes we have,
but also keep in the back of your head that
we have a w Grand Slam Sydney on I want
to say February fourteenth or fifteenth, I can't remember which.
I think it's for February fourteenth, So we do have
that in about a month and a half.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, Valentine's Day in Sydney.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well so so. But anyway, who do you let's
start with the Women's World Championship, who do you think
is a viable contender for let's us go right to Revolution.
Who right at the top of your mind, who do
you think is going to challenge Chris Statlander at Revolution
for the AW Women's World Championship.
Speaker 3: Yeah, why not Tecla. There's plenty of time to get
a good build for it. She's more than game. It'd
be a great match. I'd love to see it.
Speaker 1: I agree, honestly, I agree.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I actually thought Tecla as well. Now Tecla was
going to be she has like a little bit of
a mini feud, I guess put together with Jamie Hater.
Maybe they have a match to determine which one of
them gets the title shot, because the match at World's
End was very competitive between Hater and Statlander, So we
shall see there. What about the TBS chapter.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say that'd be a good match for
Grand Slam Sidney, Yeah.
Speaker 2: It would be. Now what about the TBS Championship? Uh, look,
we've got this is an interesting case because we've got
Willow Nightingale versus Mercedes Monet on AW Dynamite New Year
Smash Tomorrow Night. This first and foremost, does anybody see
Willow Nightingale defeating Mercedes Monee?
Speaker 1: Whoa I it to happen?
Speaker 3: Yeah exactly, But then again, our predictions haven't exactly been
stellar lately, and it would play into the slowly burgeoning
but long awaited money breakdown.
Speaker 1: It's happening.
Speaker 3: I'm loving it.
Speaker 2: You know, on one hand, I look at it two ways,
one hand, two ways, on two hands, two ways. I
guess one if anybody has been listening to these podcasts,
I am not one that enjoys a wrestler having two
aw belts at once. I did not like Samoa Joe,
for example, having the Trios title and the aw Men's
World Championship at the same time, but I knew that
he would be. He was just going to be a
transitional champion with the aw Men's World Championship, so I
wasn't really what was that. I wasn't really upset about
that because I knew it was a transitional championship. But anyway,
Willow Nightingale has also been a transitional championship champion before.
Don't forget when Mercedes Monet beat or what Mercedes Monee
won the TBS Championship. She defeated Willow Nightingale. Now, the
big thing with that was is that I personally don't
feel that it was ever supposed to be Mercedes Bonet
winning the championship off of Willow Nightingale. I firmly believe
that she was supposed to win it off of Julia Hart,
but Julia Hart injured her shoulder and so she lost
the championship to Willow Nightingale. And I think Willow Nightingale
only held the belt for like thirty five days if
I'm not mistaken, before she lost it to Mercedes Monet.
So this is another one of those full circle moments
where we have Mercedes Monet facing Willow Nightingale. Will Nightingale
may win this title and be a transitional champion that
you'll lose it in the next month like she did
the last time. What do you guys think about that possible?
Speaker 3: You know what I'd kind of like to throw into
this mix is Meghan Dane with Penelope out. She's kind
of out of partner and she's too cool to just
like have like just fiddle around until then.
Speaker 2: Megan Bain would be a really good good pick. I
do agree with you there. What about you, Chris?
Speaker 1: You know I was going to kind of agree with
you on Willow being a transitional champion couldn't work, But
I gotta go with just man put it on Megan Bain, like,
let her be the one to bead Mercedes. It's a
big moment, and you know she's strong, she's powerful, she's
you know, gotten over with the crowd decently. You know,
she's a workforce. Based on her schedule in the last
couple of months. Yeah, put the title on her. I'm
one on board the get on the bean train, get
on the bank.
Speaker 2: I gotta say this, it's a little bit off topic,
but a couple of days ago, Stardom held their Dream
Queendom pay per view. Megan Baine did participate in it.
She was in a tag match that went to a
timing the draw. But on one of her opponents was Bozilla,
and those two, my god, some of the things they did.
I mean, of course, they did the bit where they
ran the ropes and slammityt each into each other and
either of the budge Bosilla hit Megan Baine with a
couple of tremendous power bombs. But what I was one
of the things I was most impressed about. Meggan Bain
did a top rope per conrona on Bosilla. Why.
Speaker 1: I felt that it was freaking awesome.
Speaker 2: I was like that those two women, I applaud them.
I mean, I mean, they are they're not tiny. People
put it that way, and I mean that respectfully. I
love both of them, but to see if if there
were two men of commensurate size doing that, we'd be like, wow,
go look up, there's you can find the highlights of
this on x Just look up Megan Bain, Dream Queendom
or something to that effect, and you'll see video highlights
of it. It is astounding. The other thing that I
found astounding about it both of them was the speed
at which they moved in the ring. Absolutely fantastic. But
I agree with both of you. Meghan Bain would be
a great choice in this in this case, I really do.
Let's let's move on to the women's tag team champions
because this at this event, I don't see any teams.
I really don't can't think of one that hasn't already
been there, done that.
Speaker 4: I do.
Speaker 3: As soon as you mentioned, as soon as you reminded
me that Grand Slam is going to be in Sydney,
give the Love Bombs their rematch.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but again that's a been there, done that kind
of thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like there's no no challengers that they really haven't
faced already. The division is really thinned right now. Unfortunately,
I mean.
Speaker 2: They yeah, I mean they did. You know, aw did
make Hienne and My World all elite after but during
Zero Hour, which I am so happy for those two.
They do have Lena Cross in the in the shadows there.
Putting Lane across with with Megan Bain would be unbelievable,
you know that. I mean I could see those two
forming up, and I believe that they have tagged in
the recent past, like since October together. I think they lost,
but they have tags, so they do know each other
and do have hopefully some character, some chemistry with each other.
There's also don't like Dakota Kai or Charlie as she's
now known. I don't think she's going by the ev moniker,
but she's another person that they can bring in.
Speaker 3: You want to hear a bonkers rumor, go for it.
I have no substantiate substantiation on this. This is all
rumor and innuendo. I need to make that clear. But
I heard through the through the inter tubes that Bailey
may be thinking of jumping. Imagine Bailey and Dakota Kai
and the tag team tag team scene.
Speaker 2: Well, that that's true. The reason I didn't bring Bailey
up is simply because Bailey's contract apparently goes through the
end of twenty twenty six, so if she jumps, it's
not going to be anytime soon. And this is something
that and this is something that I looked up actually
over the weekend. So yeah, Bailey's pretty much wrapped up
in WWE unless she gets a release until twenty twenty.
At the end of twenty twenty.
Speaker 3: Six addition to the roster, though.
Speaker 1: It.
Speaker 2: Was something like June of last year where she did
an interview and she said, I still have a year
and a half left on my content.
Speaker 1: Well maybe twenty twenty seven will be good to us.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So yeah, I mean.
Speaker 1: Look, the women's tag edition right now, maybe try to
bring in an international team to at least you know,
Chatlenge and you got his part, trying to build up
more teams, honestly, to create more teams, because right now
there's not even enough. I mean there's okay, we've got
Babes of Breath, We've got we've got Timeless Love. Uh
hi ja, Yeah, that's it, and I think you probably will.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you can even count you can even
put in there Billy Starks at the theater or even
Billy Starks in Diamante from Ring of Honor, you know there,
you can put that in there. I don't know, it's
I I think that the tournament that they did was
somewhat detrimental. I would love I would love to see
a tag team or even two tag teams from stardom
come over and challenge. I really would because well, first
of all, they're fantastic. I mean, Kaguma and a Zuki
are a very good choice. Yeah yeah, And then you know,
and it's never gonna happen because they simply don't wrestle
outside of Japan that much. I mean they had just
recently they wrestled UH in China for the first time.
I think that was their first matches in either of
their careers outside of Japan. And that's UH Sorrano and
and that's a boy Uh. That's another great team. I
mean you can even go be U Amasaki and Azumi.
There's just so many teams out there. Starlight Kid at
a Zumi, which is those are two women that I
know because Tony Kahn spoke of them in an interview
that he thinks highly of. So when you're looking at
the women's tag team division, not saying that they should win,
but there are people in stardom that could come in
and work these matches and fill in some gaps. I
guess the best way of putting it.
Speaker 3: I've never seen her, and I've always Starlight Kid, and
I've always meant to. She has like a very your
favorite wrestler's favorite wrestler vibe, so I definitely need to
check out more.
Speaker 2: Joshi, Well, the thing about Starlight Kid, there's two things
that stand out about Starlight Kid. One is that she's
custom built to be popular with children, and she is.
She's got this superhero vibe to her. The other thing
about Starlight Kid is she's tiny. There's just no other
way around it. She makes Rio look like a giant.
But that doesn't mean anything because like, what's your name,
Sayata from Stardom is four foot nine and she's built
like if she's built like Olypia. Are you familiar with
Olympia from CML.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've seen her.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's just if you look at Olypia, she's not
the biggest woman as far as height goes, but she
is a boulder. I mean, she's just one big set
of muscles. And that's the same way the same way
with Sayida.
Speaker 3: I say, she's a brick out house.
Speaker 2: Breakout house. Yeah, that's a good way to put it.
Speaker 1: I mean Sia either was the only woman in the
n jp W concourse though, which is like their kind
of like a body building their best body competition thing.
She was the only woman in it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and she my god, I mean I
ran across pictures as Siah Uh. She was just workout pictures,
you know, like she was bodybuilding, and they had pictures
of her flexing, and I was like, I wouldn't want
to run to her in a dark alley. She killed me,
all four foot nine of her. She's just she She
had all the same thing with Olympia. Again, not the hot,
tallest women in the world, but just impressive physical specimens.
You don't have to be tall, it would be impressive. Look,
I've said this about I've said this about Rio. You know,
Rio is five foot one, which there are women that
are smaller than she is as far as height. Her
ring attire kind of belies the fact that she's a unit.
If you look at Rio, she is cut. She is
no joke. So you know, I can understand people looking
at her like little fairy outfit and say it, oh
Japanese schoolgirl like Cornett says the creeper, you know. But
the fact of the matter is she's better than me,
and I know it. You know what I mean. It's
like I don't get it. But anyway, let's move on
because we've already talked a little bit about the Don
Kallis family, but we're going to talk about him a
little bit more because, you know what, I want to
go back just before we start this, because Jess on
the discord, you made a observation about John Moxley's celebration
that I honestly did not notice. Do you remember what
you said?
Speaker 3: Yes, I do. I was actually waiting for an opportune
time to bring it up. So Mox's face is a
pretty much face. Now we've sort of discussed this already,
and the question is whether or not that makes the
rest of the death writer's face by default, because the
writers will tend to follow Mox's ideology, and they were
all celebrating with him, there didn't seem to be a
shred of dissension. But somebody was very conspicuous us by
their absence, and that someone was pop Pack.
Speaker 2: I act I did not even notice it. I did
not notice it until you posted it on Discord. By
the way, our Discord link is right there at the
bottom of the screen. If you're watching us right now,
it's or you could just look it up at ep
W Hub everything Pro Wrestling Hub.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I can't take all the credit for that observation. A
few other people saw it too during the live chat.
Speaker 2: I'm sure, but I didn't notice it at all, did you, Chris?
Speaker 1: I only noticed that he wasn't there at all, like
for the whole show, because I thought he was part
of that mixed nuts mayhem mats. At first, I like,
I swear that's what I saw on the graphic, but
then it got fained, so it's like, well, maybe did
they let him go home for Christmas?
Speaker 2: Maybe? But look, let's move on to the don Kallis family.
Speaker 5: Because uh we got some uh some stuff going on,
and the don Kallis family, Kyle Fletcher's pissed off, Takeshta's
pissed off.
Speaker 2: Oh Kan has always pissed off. What do you think
is gonna happen with the don Kallis family. Somebody is
going to be leaving.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is a meltdown. I don't think a sexy
picture is gonna fix I think the obvious choice is Takeshta.
People love Takeshta. People have always loved Takeshta. People have
wanted to cheer Takeshta again since he turned heel. If
anybody is the de facto good guy in this whole
drama rama mess, it's him.
Speaker 2: I want to interrupt you. Why do you say that?
Because if you've been watching takeshta matches, I agree with
you that everybody wants to roof for Takeshta. But he
has literally given no reason or any indication that he's
turning babyface. If you watch his matches, he's heel through
and through.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, but he's at odds with Okada, who is
the healiust of Heels Stitch. So being at odds with
Okada sort of makes him face by default in that
uh dichotomy he's in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a babyface in that particular situation. What I'm
saying is that he has not done anything. Hey, Conrad,
what's up? We were talking about Takeshta. He has not
given any indication of being a babyface.
Speaker 4: I would agree with that, except for in.
Speaker 2: As Jesus said, the situation with Okada. I think everybody
wants him to be a babyface, but he is not
giving any indication of being a babyface.
Speaker 1: But has he really done any outright tactics in his matches? Yes,
I haven't. I haven't really, you know, I haven't noticed
him like raking eyes or chokes or you know, he wrestles,
already beats the ship out of his opponents. But I
haven't noticed him really doing anything dirty or cheap during
this matches.
Speaker 2: Right, what about? Uh? What about you, Jess? Have you
noticed him doing anything pelish?
Speaker 3: Not particularly? It's a like a like was like what
was just said? Like he's a badass, he's not nice,
but he hasn't Like I haven't seen him try to
on his own accord blatantly screwdriver or anyone, or break
eyes or kick people in the dick or give people
the finger like some people.
Speaker 2: What about what about you? Show? He's not here? No,
I'm here, I'm here, Okay.
Speaker 4: You can call me Kai. I was ready to be
called show. I feel like big show than Paul White
or something. Yeah, whatever, call me whatever. But the Yeah,
I don't know, Like I think Takesha has I think
we're all smart wrestling fans in here. So for the
most part, I think that we noticed the little things,
like he really hasn't done heels stuff like his offense
is really a babyface's offense, the Blue Thunderbomb, and he
has a lot of exciting moves. I haven't noticed him
cheating or doing anything like that. I think that's why
they added that into the The World's End match, like
the screwdriver portion of it, like to let you know,
like Okata is bad, Don Kallas is bad. These are
bad people you should not trust. It's kind of like
the Mafia when someone gets involved with them, but you're
kind of cheering for the good guy involved with them
when you watch those kinds of movies. I feel like
that's the position Takesha is in, and we all just
know better. But technically he is not a babyface yet.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm right with you, Conrad. Look, I think we
can all agree that everybody wants not everybody, but a
lot of people want to root for Takeshta.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean you heard it.
Speaker 1: During the match, you know, when they had to strike
exchanges every time Okata hit boom, every time Taquesta hit yay,
Like people want to root for him, and I don't
think he needs to be a full on babyface, you know,
playing into the crowd, you know, getting them behind him.
Like he can just be the badass, straightforward wrestler that
he is, and you know against Don Kallas and his duns.
Obviously people are gonna here for Taquesta, but he but
he could go against a guy like you know, Adam
Page or Roder Strong Tyler O'Reilly, and the people are
going to tear for them because they are more outright babyfaces.
Takesta can be perfect in that badass in between role.
You know, he's a heel when you need him to be.
He's a face when you need him to be. But
he's always going to be young, damn good wrestler.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like he's very much associated, especially since he's taken
on this alpha persona with Ony Imagery and Onnie is
a demon, but you can be a noble demon, but
a demon is still a demon, right.
Speaker 2: Look, I want to move on because we're running out
of time here, and I do want to talk about
the New Year's Smash. Ricochet is going to be facing
Jack Perry forty aw National Championship, and I've heard some
discourse about aw belts pop up. Even recently, we had
a post at the aw fat hub subreddit saying that
the international title should be retired. Don't know about that,
but I'm interested in hearing what you're gonna say. I'm
kind of upset that Barry isn't here because as when
the AW National Title was initiated, he had said that
this is a title, and I believe it was. What
he said is that this was a title that should
be hopotatoed and shouldn't be held by somebody for very long.
It should move from person to person. That being said,
you guys may disagree with me here, but I really
don't see the difference between the AW National Title and
the TNT Championship. I really don't. I mean, I know
now there isn't much of one. Yeah, until they start
doing what like they did. They promise that they were
going to defend this title in other promotions et cetera.
Speaker 1: He defended in he defended it when they were over
in the UK. I know that, like, not on a
w or Ring of Honor TV, like I don't remember
the rev pro probably was because I think they kind
of I don't think they have a formal relationship with them,
but I think kind of through you know, multiple people
work there, and New Japan has a partnership with a
loose kind of partnership with Red Pro. I think a
W also kind of has that loose partnership, so it
probably was over there.
Speaker 4: Do you know, Conrad, if they have a partnership with them?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: Did was it Red Pro? That? Uh? That Ricochet defended
the title up? Yeah?
Speaker 4: I believe so. I believe that was the company. I
think he's got another one lined up too, doesn't He
could be wrong going back and forth with people.
Speaker 2: Anyway, the guys, do we have any of you see
Jack Perry beating Ricochet tomorrow night for the National Championship.
Speaker 1: I think it'll be a really good that's really entertaining,
and you know, you'll have katesa agony with the distraction
and Ricochet gets the classic heel win, which you know,
further's what he is doing, and it makes it where
Jack Perry's like, Okay, he didn't get beat straight up
so he could challenge it. He could challenge later on
and win.
Speaker 2: Well, look, I'm going to pose the question of the
hour here. With Okada losing the continental title, the Unified
championship is now basically doesn't exist. I mean it exists,
but it's not listed on the AW roster page as
a title because the title is no longer unified. So
right now there are nine active titles in a W
If you had to remove, move one title. Because so
many people are saying that AW as too many titles,
which I do not agree with. I think that they
have the right amount of titles. I just think that
there are some titles that they are not pushing by
defending them as often as they should. But if you
have to remove one of the current titles, which would
you remove?
Speaker 1: I would? Sorry, I get rid of the Continental Make
it where the winner of the continental class that gets
a title shot at revolution and make it like really
mean something, and that way you have quite a while
to build you put your you know, make it like
the g one you know, right, they get a title shot.
It's a big paper.
Speaker 2: Right, and that's a big deal because you do get
the title shot.
Speaker 3: Yeah, go ahead, Yeah, I was gonna say, Uh, as
much potential as they have, they've never really lived up
to that potential. So go ahead. Next the trios titles.
Speaker 2: What about you, Conrad?
Speaker 4: Sorry, I keep muting myself just so no one hears
me breathe or something. I have all the titles pulled up.
I see a total of ten here. It's weird because
if you look at each one, you gotta have a world.
I do love that they have like a women's mid
card title. And then it depends on I guess your
feelings on certain things, and I'm going to kind of
agree with Jess with the with the tag titles. The
tag titles were great until you introduce the trios, and
then you had to take tag teams to fit into
the trios, and then it becomes like a difficult championship.
To me, the trio's belt should be the land of misfits,
like where we don't have stuff for people to do.
Three of you can go together and be over here.
So I don't disagree with I don't agree with taking
away the trios belts per se, but I think you
could do some kind of combination here because I love
the International title. I just like the look of it,
even though it's similar to the women's but I think
that belt's just great looking. I would consider like the
National and the Continental and the International, Like you gotta
find a way I think to combine those three and
I think you would have yourself a solid like number
two championship. I would put that even over the TNT
at this point.
Speaker 3: Also, there's are we counting the Dynamite Diamond Ring as
a title? No, I mean it is trophy, so it
is defended annually. But I guess like didn't even have
a say in it this year, which is kind of dumb.
And the ring is his thing. But I love bandido,
so I'm not going to complain too much.
Speaker 4: I wouldn't be surprised that that became like ring versus
title as well. But I think that the they have
so they have the aw World title, the Women's World title,
the TBS title, Continental Champion, and the World Tag champs.
Then you have Brisco with the TNT title, Trios title,
Ocatta still has the International Ricochet has the national title,
and then you have the Babes of Wrath with the
tag titles.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I have to agree with the trios thing. I
have said often in the past that the trios should
be combined with the Sixth Man because that's what they
call it, and Ring of Honor the trios titles. Conrad
I agree with exactly what I think you were alluding
to or what you said. They use the trios teams
as tag team from the Tag Team division and add one.
It's a trios plus one. There's not really other than
the Ops and maybe the Elite now there are no
trios teams, you know, specific trios teams, and even I
would even say that the Young Bucks and the and
Kenny Omega are are tag team plus one right now,
So I would get I would, I would definitely get
rid of the trios. And I absolutely agree with Chris
the Continental should not be a belt, that should be
a trophy.
Speaker 4: And I agree with what you're saying too, Like I'm
not even saying if you didn't want to get rid
of the trios, that's fine, but combining them with the
Ring of Honor and making some of these championships like hey,
these will cross over. We will be able to do
this with these, Like I think that works.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I No, I agree with youonred percent there It's
just I again, I don't believe that AW has too
many titles. I just think that they may have too
many titles without really having a plan for them. And
they're definitely some titles like what was the last time.
I don't remember the last time the international title was defended.
Speaker 4: I think it's because it was in that weird flex
of like it's being defendant when you defend the Unified Championship.
I think Tony Kahn has to make sure. I think
Aw' is good at writing storylines from let's just say
it's ABC D, right. They're good to get from A
to D and it feels worth it. But where they
miss things or in the middle of like B and C,
where it's like you have to explain what you are
doing with these because people were asking them, like so
those belts don't exist, No, they're still active.
Speaker 2: But it's funny you bring that up, Conrad, because that's
one of my pot pourri points. It really is. So
we're gonna discuss that right now. We're gonna go to
pot Pourrix. Pot Pourrix is where we can bring up anything,
whether it's an A, W or any other promotion to
talk about. Uh so, does anybody have a pot pourrix I.
Speaker 3: Do just a little fun, just a little fun observation
from World's End. Uh I noticed right away, and it
took some other people in the live chat. It took
me pointing it out and then then looking for themselves.
Speedball Mike Bailey was wearing Kevin Knight's pants. I pointed
that out and people were like, no, They're just wearing
different pants from different sets, and I'm like, no, Speedball
is wearing pants that say night on them and have
little jets. Turns out later the reason for this is
that the poor poor Speedball his luggage got lost. He
did eventually find it, but it's thank He just thinks
they're lucky stars that they have a tag partner who
is the same size as they are and happen to
have his extra set of pants.
Speaker 1: Yeah, while you always keep this set of basic gear
in your carry on.
Speaker 2: There you go, anybody else have a potpourri before I
go mine? Yes?
Speaker 1: Is Orange Cassidy a home record? I mean dancing jumping
into her arms like that. Mina didn't look too happy
about it. I don't think he's on board with the
whole thing, Like, that's Mina's woman, she ain't gonna share her.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do expect in the near future of Mina
does bitch slap Orange Cassidy.
Speaker 3: Tony can have two wives if she wants to.
Speaker 1: No, you can't. You get one wife that's just the
way it is.
Speaker 2: Well, she is the horror we adore Tony Storm, so
she's she's buying into the character. I guess she's got
three lovers now, I guess. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, how does about? This is what I really want
to know.
Speaker 2: I'm sure that Juice has enough to handle at home
that he doesn't care about it in the wrestling ring,
because I Juice did make a do an interview recently
that I saw recently, It was about about three or
four months ago, where he said more and more basically
that Tony stormers bringing the character home with him with her,
so to speak.
Speaker 3: I guess my wife and my wife his wife.
Speaker 1: He had to pay all the parties for black and white.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go. I'm sure. I'm sure they have
sofa covers on their sofa and stuff like that. Now,
all right, So I'm gonna go with my pot pourri.
And this has something to do with what Conrad brought
up just a little bit ago. Tony Kahan said in
a recent interview that he does not believe that most
of the hardcore aw fans quite understood the whole John
Moxley and Death Writer's story as it was going on.
I think that, and I think it does go to
what Conrad. I mean, I understood it when it began,
and I understood it when it ended. It wasn't that
I maybe it's not that I didn't underst stand it
in sections B and C, as Conrad was alluding to.
Is just that it just became uninteresting and convoluted to me.
And I think that's all, you know, if you look
at the what was said on social media about it,
I think a lot of people felt that way. I
don't think there's any denying that a lot of hardcore
AW fans felt that way. What do you guys think
the time.
Speaker 1: Say? I like, the beginning was great and interesting, the
ending was really good, but that middle part there were
just some bits that were a bit muddy, a bit slow,
a bit like, oh, this crap is happening again. I
mean the reason that I called them the North American
branch of House of Torture, like it was just the
same damn crap every map, and not even just every
you know Moxley match, I mean every match any single
one of them was in. You knew at least one
other death riding bastard son of them. Yeah, it was
going to come in and interfere and just screw up everything,
and like that is the overuse of interference pretty much
in general, is like one of my big pet peeves
and wrestling, like because it's like, okay, this is we
know it's not a fight, but it's supposed to be
similar to a fight, and the worst thing you can
do in a fight is have your buddy attacked your
opponent from behind, like that's a punkin. So when they
had them doing that constantly, it's like, Okay, this is
just a group of punk cast thugs just who can't
win a fight on their own. That was.
Speaker 2: Well, let's hear from Conrad.
Speaker 4: I don't know. I think the Death Writers thing, I
think people were too hard on it. I was saying
that from Jump Street though, like I'm like, you guys
are kind of being ridiculous in my opinion about it.
Like I was like, why is everyone going so hard
about this? Like it felt like every month John Moxley
had to lose And I didn't agree with that. I
was like, why why does he have to lose? And
then when he gets the heat and then in the
end when we get to all in, I was like, oh,
now everybody gets it. So was it just people being
impatient and wanting what they want it?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 4: I don't know, it just depends. It felt like a
very weird thing though, like people didn't want Moxley to
be the champ, and I think he just used He
used what makes internet fans upset to get his heat,
because that he knows that's Aw's core audience, because that's
what we were down to at that point. So I
thought Moxley played it precisely, very well. And then at
World's end I looked at everyone again and I said,
even on my podcast, like, wow, I find it funny
that everybody was cheering for John Moxley. Now. It's almost
like he knows what he's doing, you know, like I
think he I think he made it work for.
Speaker 2: Him, right, Yeah, Because we even said earlier in the show, Conrad,
you know, John Moxley was getting these cheers organically. I mean,
he didn't do anything baby faces, I guess is the
best way to put it to earn those cheers. It's
just people wanted a cheer for him, and you can't
stop the people from doing what they want. Look, my
problem with the death writers is that are reminded me
so much of the Outcast. You remember the Outcasts, where
you had who wasn't Tony Storm, Soreya God, who else
was in the outcast? Ruby? Soho Harley was I.
Speaker 1: Think early on?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean you'd have you knew that it
was going to be at least at any rate. You
knew it was going to be at least three on
one every time an Outcast member was in a match,
and yet the baby faces I guess you could call
them in the Aw's women's division, were too stupid to
realize this, and they were getting because it was always
one on three. And this was my problem with the
death writers. It started out so good and that it
just died out to the point where as Chris said
it was repetitive, it was kind of stupid, to be
honest with you, because it was kind of reminded me
of the Outcast thing, with the constant ear interference, with
the opponents not being smart enough to realize that it
was coming, even though it happened two times a week
for damn near nine months. Right, It started good at
the end of at the end of it, when Hagman
beat Moxley, I mean Hagman wins or we riot. That
was the whole point. You know, everybody wanted to see
And I could say that with all confidence that every
single AW fan wanted to see Moxley lose the title.
Now that is a testament to John Moxley. But I
disagree with Tony Kahan that people didn't understand it. If
people didn't understand it, that's on you, Tony Khan, because
you didn't tell the story right. People did. If hardcore
AW fans out of a if Tony Cohn's mouth, hardcore
AW fans didn't understand the John Moxley death writer's story,
that's on you, Tony Khan. You did not tell the
story right. I am sorry, but that's truth. Personally, I
liked it when it began because remember it was like
attempted murders the first couple of weeks. Then it got
playing stupid, and then at the end it wasn't a
great story. At the end, it was the fact that
it was over, or at least we thought it was,
you know, the story ended. That's that's what it was.
That's what people were excited about, not not that the
story was great, but that the story was over. That's
my personal opinion on.
Speaker 1: It, and I like, I don't think people necessarily wanted
to boom. You know Moxley Claudio talk like you know,
I'll again, here's the house of torture comparison. People like
these wrestlers. You know, I like Moxley, I like, sure, yeah,
you know, I like Claudio, like I like written Rita
and Doki and Yoshinobu Kanovar. You know, I like Pop
the same way like Sonata. What I don't like is
them being a little bitch. Isn't always having to have help?
Like you're great wrestlers, you know, you want to be heeled,
you want to be dirty, you want to be nasty,
great eyes. Shoke people, you know, fling them in, did
the barricade, Like, be absolute beast and don't give us
f about the rules. But don't use your other guys.
Use your wrestling, use your know how, use your viciousness,
you know, gouge people in behind, choke them, you know,
distract the wrapic kick them in the balls. But don't
use other people. And I think that is where most
people had a problem with, Like it was the constant interfering.
Speaker 3: You know what parallel I haven't heard made yet This
is something I've thought of a bit in retrospect, that
the story of the Death Writers and Hangman Page was
a smarter and mercifully shorter version of the bloodlining Cody Rose.
Speaker 4: Thank you. I was waiting to say that thank you,
Like only this.
Speaker 3: I sat through all of that, Like I stopped watching
WWE at all after Cody won the title, because that
was really the only thing I was sticking around for.
I wanted to see it happen. It finally happened, and.
Speaker 1: I was done.
Speaker 3: Uh, it had gotten more than too much for me
way before that. I just wanted to see the stupid
story end before I finished.
Speaker 1: But yeah, the story.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but yeah, if you guys thought death Writers were tedious,
you would not have survived the entirety of the Blood Line.
Speaker 2: Well do Conrad, do you think that one of the
things that may have made the Death Writers Tearing tedious
to some pro wrestling fans, not just hardcorey w fans,
is that the similarities between the Death Writers and the
Blood Line.
Speaker 4: I yes, I think that. I think when a w
was down that Sam punk Cloud did not leave, and
I'm sure when is the anniversary of that. We still
got a couple more years. Once we hit like five
to ten years, you're gonna see a lot of videos
and a lot of talk about it. That dark cloud
followed them, and I think they just got that cloud
off of them. I want to say this year like
maybe double or nothing.
Speaker 2: Agree.
Speaker 4: Agree, It took them a long time. So Tony Khan
was looking for anything and everyone. And what's one of
Tony Khan's number one breaking case of emergencies. It's always
been and always probably will be as long as he
has them. John every time, I don't think.
Speaker 2: I mean, would you say Conrad that John Moxley is
the ace of a w.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would. I would give him that title absolutely. Yeah.
He delivers every time, whether you like him or not,
he always finds a way to deliver. And I think
Tony was looking for we're not cool anymore? What is cool?
And everybody went crazy for the I call it the
Avengers endgame finish at WrestleMania forty. He was like, well,
we're gonna do the same thing, but we're gonna do
it our way, and we're gonna do it better than
they did it because we have twist and turns with
our people and characters with like the swerve, will Osprey
helping him getting taken out like a lot of stuff.
Because when we got to double or Nothing, I loved
that I didn't know who was gonna win between Will
Ospray and Hangman, because in my mind, if you would
have asked me, probably a few weeks before, I'm like,
it's Will Ospray all the way. You got to give
this guy the title. But Hangman's story became so compelling
that I was like, you gotta do it. And then
Tony had an option, Let's go this way, and that's
what he decided to do, and it probably played out
better because imagine if will was the champ, he gets hurt,
you fall into that same thing. I just think that
he looked to see what was cool, who would be
able to execute this and do it right, and it
was Moxley. And maybe Moxley rambled sometimes and once again,
it wasn't pretty sometimes getting through B and C the
title defenses and people getting suplexed on things. But Moxley
always had you talking. His name was always mentioned on
every podcast in the streets, and they found a way
to make it work.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I when I found so sorry.
Speaker 2: Let me just make one point Jess, I agree with
you that John Moxley was always mentioned, but always wasn't
positive for sure. For sure, God, Jess.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 3: I joined this podcast in the thick of between B
and C, and I felt like sometimes I felt like
I was taking crazy pills because I was like the
lone death writer apologist you were, because what I saw
is basically a story of this is what happens when
Batman gets tired of cleaning up everyone's messes. Not Superman.
Superman's too too goodie, too smooth edged. Max is Batman.
He will get shit done, so it won't be pretty,
but he will always get shit done. But what happens
when he is sick of cleaning up every single disaster?
The Death Writers is what happened.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but if you remember during this podcast, I was
having trouble even, you know, maintaining attention when the pod
when Death Writers came out, I was like, Okay, it's
a death Writer's match. I'll just wait till the end
when everybody does the same thing that they've always done,
is just attack and basically run.
Speaker 4: I think that was by design, though, because if everybody's
feeling it when the bloodline does it, is that something
that we need to do with our own twist on it.
It's I'm trying to think of other scenarios where other
companies have done it. We've all seen it where like
you know, someone's trying to be staying to take out
the nWo and they may not say it's the same
thing when they came up with nWo WWF came up
with DX. All that stuff, to me follows a similar pattern.
I think that's what AW is just trying to do.
Like people like it over there, they gotta like it
over here. And sometimes that's a mistake to do that
in my opinion too.
Speaker 2: But to each I agree with you, that's a very
good point. My whole thing was is that. And I
understand Jess really really was the apologist for the Death Writer.
She was very much into itself. Guys like MK, we
were like, just end it already, please, this is awful.
And I really did. I will one say, And it
doesn't matter whether it being a hardcore AW fan, whether
I understood it or not. It was a simple fact
that I didn't enjoy it. I didn't enjoy it at all.
There wasn't a for the first two or three weeks.
Like I said, I liked it, and I like the
ending simply because it was the ending. Does anybody else
have a potpourri that they want to bring up?
Speaker 1: All?
Speaker 2: Right, then well that'll be the end of the show.
Then we'll be back again Tuesday night next week, eight
forty five Eastern time. Right here, you can watch us
on x you can join us in the chat, you
can watch us on Twitch, and I am happy to
announce for the first time next week it looks like
we are going to be live on YouTube as well,
finally after two and a half three months trying to
get us done. So yes, so we will be live
on YouTube as well. So that's look. Before we go,
I did want to bring up something since Conrad is here,
we have combined our two Discord servers very successfully, I
may add, it's been so much fun. We are now
at https forward slash forward slash, Discord dot gg forward
slash epw UB. If you're watching this on x you
can see the Discord link right there at the bottom
of your screen. If you're listening to this on Spotify
or Apple Podcast or whatnot, we will be putting the
link in the podcast description. Please join us there also
with aw fan Hub in particular, you can follow us
on x Instagram threads. Where else are we? Of course
Reddit and YouTube? And where else? A blue sky Blue Sky.
We are very close, very close to hitting one hundred
thousand members in the aw fan Hub. Why should say
the everything Pro Wrestling Hub community. Actually, we're probably over
one hundred thousand members. I'm only counting the social media
platforms that I manage. Conrad manages. What do you have, Conrad?
You have? You have break basically everything we do right?
Speaker 4: Yeah? I have Instagram? Uh, you name it? I have it?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I should add? You? Your your
stuff into it? And what is If people are interested,
Conrad in joining your communities, how do they find you?
Speaker 4: Basically I've combined with you on Discord, So make sure
that you guys go to uh what the link you
had said before? Discord dot gg slash, EPW hub. Don't
forget to put the https in front of it, but
I'm sure if you search it it'll pop up. You
guys can follow me at EPW show. I'm on YouTube,
I'm on uh, Instagram, you name it, blue sky, all
of them. EPW show is probably the best way to
follow me. You guys can come on over and then
we'll talk some pro wrestling. Man, it's fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean if you do WWE podcast as well, correct.
Speaker 4: I do those as well. I actually have a plan
New Japan special. No one knows that yet, but I'm
working on something for New Japan this week as well.
I try to talk. I try to talk everything as
much as I can, so.
Speaker 1: I will talk New Japan. I will be more than
if you need someone, if you.
Speaker 2: Will that be? Will that be on YouTube?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 2: Conrad? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah. The the plan is it's gonna be more so
about Tanahashi for this one, but I might I might
run down the card too for the show if if
my guy can make it, who I have planned for it.
He's he's busy right now at work.
Speaker 2: Well, Chris is a New Japan junkie, my guys, and
he can he can speak. He can speak very semi
intelligence semi intelligently about But if you are just going
on the YouTube for ep uh E p W show,
they are really good in the chat. If you chat
with them, they're really good. But I'm so impressed by
how you do it too. You give shout outs constantly
and interact with your audience so well and I appreciate.
I mean, when I'm there, you always, you know, talk
to me and other people. Anybody that has a comment,
you pretty much address all of them. I don't know
how you do it, but it's really cool.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was the difference I tried to make with
my show compared to other people's. Is the interactive element
for it. I think it's key because a lot of
people will send super chats. You don't get your super
chat read to the end of people's podcast when there's
a lot of people. And I always tell people, one
day it may get to that point, but if not,
I mean, if you guys throw something in there, I'll
talk about it for a second. I can't. I tell
people some weeks like hey, I can't get to every comment,
but I do try to at least acknowledge them if
it's with it the topic. While we're talking about I
try to go in order of the show.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think you do a fantastic job over there.
Your podcast are so well put together. Thank you. You
guys do great. It's very I wish I could stay longer,
but unfortunately I can't. Those those days off that I
have from our podcast are kind of premium time. For
me to spend with my family and friends and always
have something going on. But every time i'm there for
I try. I try to stay for a good fifteen
twenty minutes in your podcast, and they're very, very good,
and I am really looking forward to hearing your your fun.
You're gonna be doing a what Conrad tomorrow night when
you do your pot You're doing a podcast for AW
tomorrow night for the Holidays, New Year's Spash post show.
When do you begin the podcast? Does it begin during
the show or does it begin right after the show?
Speaker 4: Usually right after, so the moment the show ends, I
am trying to get to the restroom if I need
to grab a drink, water or something so that I
could talk about it, and then I try to breeze
through it. I've been trying to make them like under
an hour for people if I can. Some weeks, the
shows are so long that's not going to happen. If
it's a three hour show, I usually move it to
like Thursday, so that way I could cover it in full.
Speaker 1: So it's.
Speaker 2: We stop doing our aw Fanta podcast because you guys
just knocking out of the park every week. And and
I don't mean that as any kind of I'm not
upset about it. I just I think it's fantastic. Yet.
You guys do a fantastic job. And I do encourage
everybody to go listen to EPW show on YouTube and
chat away because like I said, if you chat, they're
more than life going to address you if they can
so appreciate the shout. You not a problem.
Speaker 4: I've been a long time listener, first time guests, so
well everybody.
Speaker 2: That's the thing about That's the thing about this community.
We can have up to ten podcasters on these shows,
and we encourage participation. So anybody that's listening, if you
want to be a part of this podcast. We are
not professionals, obviously, but we just want to have fun.
We are hardcore AW fans talking about AW. You don't
have to be a hardcore AW fan if you want
to participate in these podcasts, all you have to do
is join our discord, contact Kelson and say hey, I
want to be a part of the podcast. I'll talk
to you on voice chat to make sure that you're
you know your equipment. I mean a lot of people
just use their phones. That's fine, but we want to
make sure that we can understand you, and then other
than that, you're in So join us because we have
a revolving door of people that come into the Pack
podcast every week. And that's what this community is about,
is community participation. And I think Conrad, we'll agree with
that based on what we've done on Discord Together, because
that is a hop and discord.
Speaker 4: That's for sure.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 4: I love having fans and fans talk and wrestling. I
think it's where you get the truest and realist forms
of how people feel.
Speaker 2: All right, then, so forty a w fan podcast team.
This is Kelson, good night, everybody.
Speaker 3: Good night Eddie Kingston.
Speaker 1: I don't know that