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<v Speaker 1>On the night of September nineteenth, nineteen fifty two, a

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<v Speaker 1>twenty year old woman stepped off the tram in Brisbane

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<v Speaker 1>and began her short walk home that she had taken

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<v Speaker 1>countless times before. It was a familiar route through a

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<v Speaker 1>quiet suburb where nothing about the evening felt unusual. However,

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<v Speaker 1>she never arrived home, and by morning, Brisbane would wake

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<v Speaker 1>to a crime that shattered its sense of safety and

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<v Speaker 1>became the longest running unsolved murder in Queensland's history. This

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<v Speaker 1>is the tragic and true story of Betty Shanks.

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<v Speaker 2>My name's Ben, I'm Nicole, and you're listening to Wicked

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<v Speaker 2>and Grim, a.

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<v Speaker 1>True crime podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Warning.

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<v Speaker 1>The following podcast and material intended for a mature audience.

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<v Speaker 1>Listener discretion is advised. Cheers, it is almost Christmas.

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<v Speaker 2>Cheers, Cheers to Christmas eve.

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<v Speaker 1>Eve, Christmas eve Eve. Indeed, I don't know about anyone else,

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<v Speaker 1>but I have consumed far more calories in the last

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<v Speaker 1>few days than I have in the last previous few months.

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<v Speaker 2>Honestly, my belly already kind of hurts. So that's uh,

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<v Speaker 2>that's you know what that means?

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<v Speaker 1>Tis the season to start thinking about going to the

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<v Speaker 1>gym in about a week. You know.

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<v Speaker 2>Well even the other day, wasn't I just like, Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>just don't even worry about it, just eat it, ben Like,

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<v Speaker 2>because you were like, gosh, I've eaten so much today.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, sometimes you got to do that. Sometimes you

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<v Speaker 1>got to worry about your health. But this is not

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<v Speaker 1>the season to really concern yourself with calories.

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<v Speaker 2>I know.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the season of just enjoying.

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<v Speaker 2>I was planning for us to have salad for lunch,

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<v Speaker 2>so there you go.

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<v Speaker 1>If I'll have room for salad.

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<v Speaker 2>I know we'll probably be eating cookies and stuff and

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<v Speaker 2>that will be our lunch.

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<v Speaker 1>That's pretty much how Christmas generally goes. Oh I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to plan a good meal, but I'm too full to

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<v Speaker 1>have that good meal because of all the junk in between.

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<v Speaker 2>But it is kind of nice just the visiting too,

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<v Speaker 2>and stuff right, and lots of times with the visiting

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<v Speaker 2>comes like drinks and food.

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<v Speaker 1>And true, well, like last night we had a good

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<v Speaker 1>dinner with some friends, for example, with some good drinks

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<v Speaker 1>and food. This morning we had a good friends dot

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<v Speaker 1>buy and he said he hadn't had a drink yet today,

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<v Speaker 1>so we had a drink with them.

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<v Speaker 2>You had a drink. I didn't have a drink. Well

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<v Speaker 2>to say, I was like, it's not even noon.

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<v Speaker 1>Bro, Well, and it was whiskey. You're not a whiskey person,

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<v Speaker 1>So very long. Yeah, but yeah, it's a good time

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<v Speaker 1>of year.

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<v Speaker 2>It is.

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<v Speaker 1>It is. But I also have a very interesting story

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<v Speaker 1>for you today.

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<v Speaker 2>It seems as though you do.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not really a Christmas case, per se. I was

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<v Speaker 1>thinking about doing a Christmas one, but this one kind

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<v Speaker 1>of came on my radar and I really liked it.

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<v Speaker 1>And I've got a good reason on why I'm doing

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<v Speaker 1>it this time of year, and we'll talk about that.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't worry.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, some people might be like, f Christmas, right and

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<v Speaker 2>be totally fine with that.

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<v Speaker 1>That's true.

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<v Speaker 2>It is thrown in our face this season, that's.

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<v Speaker 1>True, and not everyone celebrates it. So I totally get it.

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<v Speaker 1>But I digress. This is still a story that I

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<v Speaker 1>really thought, you know, it was appropriate. Let's say that.

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<v Speaker 2>So well, before we dive in, we should thank our patrons.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, of course, So these people have been supporting us

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<v Speaker 1>over on Patreon. They signed up this week along with

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<v Speaker 1>many other people, and big shout out to a let

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<v Speaker 1>Nikki Bell, Penya Sherry, Stutz, Shaston Kasheal, and Ava Armstrong.

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<v Speaker 1>So thank you very much for signing up and supporting

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<v Speaker 2>We appreciate you.

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<v Speaker 1>We seriously do. We got a lot of cool people

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<v Speaker 1>who have joined that community over there, so seriously, thank

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<v Speaker 1>you very much.

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<v Speaker 2>Reads a lot, and we have one more little tiny announcement.

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<v Speaker 1>To make we do you want to do the honors?

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<v Speaker 2>Just basically that we have this episode out today, we

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<v Speaker 2>will not be having Fridays out, just kind of a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit of you know, rest, relaxation time, and we'll

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<v Speaker 2>be back on the following Tuesday.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, so we are taking one day off, so there

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<v Speaker 1>will not be an episode on Friday, which is I

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<v Speaker 1>believe Boxing day, and then we're back the following week

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<v Speaker 1>on the Tuesday again.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so that's not too much time away from us.

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<v Speaker 1>So no, it's just one episode that we're taking some

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<v Speaker 1>relaxing time to enjoy the holiday.

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<v Speaker 2>And people are probably also busy right now anyway, and

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<v Speaker 2>they're most likely and that's fair.

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<v Speaker 1>Probably they probably understand they're probably not even gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>listening to this until like a month later when they've

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<v Speaker 1>caught up on all their to dos in their life

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<v Speaker 1>and busyness, things start to slow. But I think if

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<v Speaker 1>you're ready, I'm ready to get into the story.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I'm going to set the scene here. On most nights,

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<v Speaker 1>Thomas Street was barely worth noticing. It was the kind

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<v Speaker 1>of suburban road people walked without thinking, lined with modest

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<v Speaker 1>homes and shaded by trees that stood well longer than

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<v Speaker 1>those houses themselves. In nineteen fifty two, this part of Brisbane,

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<v Speaker 1>the capital of Queensland, Australia. It's settled. Early after dark,

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<v Speaker 1>the street fell quiet, except for the occasional city tram

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<v Speaker 1>in the distance, or the sound of a radio drifting

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<v Speaker 1>through an open window. People felt very safe here, safe

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<v Speaker 1>enough to leave doors unlocked, safe enough to assume that,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, raised voices were nothing more than kids fooling around,

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<v Speaker 1>or maybe a small late night argument that would burn

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<v Speaker 1>itself out, you know, nothing anything dangerous. But that Friday night, well,

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<v Speaker 1>something was different. Yes, the air was warm, and the

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<v Speaker 1>week was ending, and families were in fact settling in.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a tram line that reached its final stop nearby,

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<v Speaker 1>emptying its passengers into the streets, the ones that they

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<v Speaker 1>knew by heart. On their walks home. Most of them

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<v Speaker 1>would be home, in fact, within minutes, and no one

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<v Speaker 1>standing on Thomas Street that evening could have guessed that

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<v Speaker 1>something irreversible was about to happen. There were no warnings,

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<v Speaker 1>no signs of a threat waiting in the dark, just

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<v Speaker 1>a familiar walk, a familiar route, and a sense of

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<v Speaker 1>see that would not survive the night, because by morning

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<v Speaker 1>the street and its city would no longer feel the same.

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<v Speaker 1>And before, honestly, this fateful day, and before she became

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<v Speaker 1>the name attached to Queenland's most oldest cold case, well,

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<v Speaker 1>Betty Shanks was just a young woman getting on with

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<v Speaker 1>her life. Betty was twenty two years old in September

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<v Speaker 1>of nineteen fifty two, living with her parents and younger

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<v Speaker 1>brother in Brisbanes, Inner North. She had grown up in

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<v Speaker 1>the area and while she never really left it, there

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<v Speaker 1>was no dramatic reason for that. It was simply where

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<v Speaker 1>her life was. Home was safe, familiar, and close to

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<v Speaker 1>everything she needed. She was bright, driven and quietly ambitious.

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<v Speaker 1>Betty had graduated from the University of Queensland with a

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<v Speaker 1>Bachelor of Arts specializing in psychology, which was not common

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<v Speaker 1>for women of that time.

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<v Speaker 2>It really wasn't so good for her.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we're talking the fifties here and she's going to

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<v Speaker 1>post secondaries. So awesome, incredible. Now she worked as a

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<v Speaker 1>trainee personnel officer for the Commonwealth Department of the Interior

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<v Speaker 1>in Brisbane, CBD, a solid government job that she took

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<v Speaker 1>very seriously. Friends and coworkers described her as very intelligent,

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<v Speaker 1>kind and dependable, someone who showed up, did her work

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<v Speaker 1>and didn't seek attention for it. Betty was not the

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<v Speaker 1>reckless kind of person. She wasn't impulsive, She didn't drink heavy,

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<v Speaker 1>she didn't stay out late for no reason, and didn't

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<v Speaker 1>bounce from relationship to relationship. In fact, as far as

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<v Speaker 1>anyone close to her new, she wasn't even seeing anyone

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<v Speaker 1>at all. She kept a very small circle of friends,

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<v Speaker 1>mostly other women, and spent much of her time studying, working,

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<v Speaker 1>or at home with her family. If something was troubling her,

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<v Speaker 1>she certainly didn't broadcast it. Now. Just a few months earlier,

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<v Speaker 1>Betty had experienced a very rare stroke of luck. In

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<v Speaker 1>April of nineteen fifty two, she won three thousand pounds

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<v Speaker 1>as Australia was still using the British style currency system,

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<v Speaker 1>and she won this in the Golden Casket lottery, which

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<v Speaker 1>exchange and inflation considered, that's about the equivalent of roughly

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<v Speaker 1>a quarter million US dollars today.

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<v Speaker 2>Holy shit.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so she got some bank she scored, baked us,

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<v Speaker 1>she did, and so it made newspapers and her name

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<v Speaker 1>was printed in bold black letters. You know, all of it.

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<v Speaker 1>But the wind didn't exactly change her personality. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>it didn't really change her at all. She actually used

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<v Speaker 1>the money quite responsibly, paying off her parents' mortgage, helping

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<v Speaker 1>renovate the family home, and covering medical treatments she needed

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<v Speaker 1>for a spinal condition. There was no flashy purchases and

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<v Speaker 1>no sudden lifestyle shift. By all accounts, Betty was content. Busy, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>but she's happy and settling into her life now. Brisbane

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen fifty two mirrored the same quiet sense of order.

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<v Speaker 1>It was often described as a big country town, the

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<v Speaker 1>kind of place where people slept with their windows open,

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<v Speaker 1>doors unlocked, and children walked home alone after dark without

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<v Speaker 1>a second thought. Violent crime was rare, and strangers attacking

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<v Speaker 1>people were almost unheard of. If someone screamed in the night,

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<v Speaker 1>for example, the assumption wasn't that it was danger, it

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<v Speaker 1>was probably teenagers fooling around, or a small domestic argument

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<v Speaker 1>that would eventually and harmlessly resolve itself. Friday, September nineteenth

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<v Speaker 1>and nineteen fifty two began no differently than any other

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<v Speaker 1>weekday in Betty's life. That morning, she left her family's

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<v Speaker 1>home in Grange and headed into the city for work,

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<v Speaker 1>just as she always did. Her job with the Commonwealth

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<v Speaker 1>Department of the Interior kept her busy during the day.

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<v Speaker 1>By all accounts, nothing about that Friday stood out now

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<v Speaker 1>because it was Friday. Betty had night classes after work

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<v Speaker 1>that was part of her ongoing studies and professional development.

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<v Speaker 1>So Wednesday and Friday's nights those were dedicated to lectures

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<v Speaker 1>and they were part of her normal routine, something she

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<v Speaker 1>committed to week after week, and she took them quite seriously.

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<v Speaker 1>So when the workday ended, Betty didn't rush home. Instead,

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<v Speaker 1>she and her supervisor, John Doocey drove together from the

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<v Speaker 1>CBD to the location of the class. Now it was

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<v Speaker 1>near George Street and so that's where they were going.

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<v Speaker 1>The lecture, well, it wrapped up just before nine pm.

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<v Speaker 1>Several students were in attendance, along with the lecturer, Edwin

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<v Speaker 1>Millicaton now Millicaton lived in a direction that was partially

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<v Speaker 1>overlapping with Betty's route home, so on some evenings he

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<v Speaker 1>would offer to give her a lift, and that's what

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<v Speaker 1>happened that night after class. He drove her towards Windsor

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<v Speaker 1>dropped her off at a tram stop along Lutwich Road.

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<v Speaker 1>From there she boarded the four to thirty four tram

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<v Speaker 1>bound for granch Now. The ride itself was uneventful. Other

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<v Speaker 1>passengers came and went as a tram moved through the

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<v Speaker 1>North suburbs, eventually reaching the final stop at the day's

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<v Speaker 1>road terminus. The clock read just after nine thirty pm.

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<v Speaker 1>When the tram doors opened, Betty stepped down onto Thomas Street.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, a friend, Jane Osborne, saw her at that

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<v Speaker 1>very moment as she was leaning forward slightly about to

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<v Speaker 1>step off that tram onto the pavement. Was small, rather

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<v Speaker 1>forgettable detail at the time, but ultimately it would later

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<v Speaker 1>become the last confirmed sighting of Betty Shanks alive.

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<v Speaker 2>A moment in time that you take so for granted

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<v Speaker 1>Individual right just in passing.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh and it's just so often I mean, right, someone

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<v Speaker 2>gets I don't know what exactly happens here, but they're

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<v Speaker 2>going to have that last moment that someone just doesn't realize.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, there's always a last moment. There's a last everything,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess, so you just never know. So I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>going to get all like sappy on us. Yeah, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just going to leave it at that. Now, from the terminus,

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<v Speaker 1>Betty walked home and it was honestly quite a short walk.

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<v Speaker 1>Less than four hundred meters is all she had to travel,

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<v Speaker 1>just a few minutes at most. She had walked it

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<v Speaker 1>countless times before, at all hours, without any sort of incident.

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<v Speaker 1>The street was quiet, residential and lined with houses and

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<v Speaker 1>she never arrived home. She never made it. Now. What

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<v Speaker 1>window of time. Investigators would later determine this took place

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<v Speaker 1>somewhere between nine thirty eight pm and nine fifty three pm,

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<v Speaker 1>just twelve minutes. In that brief span, a young woman

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<v Speaker 1>stepped off the tram. She would then encounter someone on

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<v Speaker 1>a quiet residential street and was brutally attacked less than

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<v Speaker 1>a block from the safety of her home. The timeline

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<v Speaker 1>begins to tighten almost immediately after Betty leaves the tram

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<v Speaker 1>as well, just after nine thirty pm. Several residents in

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<v Speaker 1>the area later told police that they actually heard screams

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<v Speaker 1>coming from Thomas Street. They weren't vague noises or distant shouts.

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<v Speaker 1>They were described as very sharp, panicked, or unmistakably human.

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<v Speaker 1>The screams were heard between nine thirty eight and nine

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<v Speaker 1>forty pm. Now at the time, no one rushed outside.

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<v Speaker 1>This was Gronge in the early nineteen fifties, a place

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<v Speaker 1>where violent crimes just weren't existing. Some residents yeah glancedale

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<v Speaker 1>their windows, but they saw nothing unusual in the darkness

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<v Speaker 1>and return to what they were doing. Others assumed the

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<v Speaker 1>noise was just teenagers or who knows what, so no

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<v Speaker 1>one called police. Those few minutes would haunt the suburb

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<v Speaker 1>for decades. Now. By the early hours of Saturday morning,

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<v Speaker 1>Betty's parents would awake and be very worried with Betty

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<v Speaker 1>not being home. She was never careless about coming home,

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<v Speaker 1>and by one thirty am her father reported her missing

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<v Speaker 1>to the police. Officers began checking nearby tramlines and school grounds,

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<v Speaker 1>assuming that she'd missed her stop or needed help getting

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<v Speaker 1>back home for some reason. It was just after five

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<v Speaker 1>thirty am as daylight began to creep into the quiet

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<v Speaker 1>streets of Grange. Alec Stewart, an off duty police officer,

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<v Speaker 1>stepped outside of his home onto the corner of Cranberry

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<v Speaker 1>and Thomas Street to collect the morning newspaper, and what

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<v Speaker 1>he saw stopped him in his tracks. It was his

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<v Speaker 1>neighbor's front garden. Just there, sitting inside the fence line

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<v Speaker 1>of missus Hill's property, lay the body of a young woman.

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<v Speaker 1>She was found laying on her back. Her clothes were disheveled,

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<v Speaker 1>Her blouse had been pulled open and its buttons torn away,

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<v Speaker 1>and her underwear had been removed. The position of her

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<v Speaker 1>body and the condition of her clothes made it immediately

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<v Speaker 1>clear that something violent had taken place. In fact, blood

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<v Speaker 1>was present at the scene. There was bloody handprints that

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<v Speaker 1>were visible on the fence railing nearby, Oh my Goodness,

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<v Speaker 1>which indicated the attacker had been in contact, specifically with

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<v Speaker 1>the property. Her handbag laid close as well, its contents

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<v Speaker 1>scattered across the garden, though nothing of valuable. Nothing appeared

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<v Speaker 1>to be missing that was worth anything a tram ticket.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, the one that she used to ride that

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<v Speaker 1>tram that night was still clutched in her hand. The

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<v Speaker 1>injuries were severe and consistent with an extreme physical assault,

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<v Speaker 1>and for Constable Alex Stewart, the man who found her,

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<v Speaker 1>the meaning of the scene was unmistakable. This was not

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<v Speaker 1>an accident. This was clearly a homicide.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, no shit, yeah, And it is surprising to me

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<v Speaker 2>that it just happened right in like the open of people,

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<v Speaker 2>like a neighborhood, pretty much right in.

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<v Speaker 1>The middle of a street manicured lawn there I'm picturing.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if this is correct, but in my

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<v Speaker 1>mind I picture like a little white picket fence with

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<v Speaker 1>like bloody handprints on it and a body sprawled in

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<v Speaker 1>some flowers.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, how the shit does that even happen?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So, within minutes, the street began to fill with

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<v Speaker 1>police officers as he called the authorities, the garden was

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<v Speaker 1>cordoned off as a crime scene, and the neighbors emerged

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<v Speaker 1>from their houses, confused, then horrified as words spread that

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<v Speaker 1>a woman had been murdered only meters from where they slept.

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<v Speaker 1>When identification was made, the shock deepened the victim was

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<v Speaker 1>in fact Betty Shanks, the local girl known in the

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<v Speaker 1>area who was reported missing only hours ago. Well. She

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<v Speaker 1>was now found dead less than four hundred meters from

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<v Speaker 1>her family's door. Her tram ticket, as I mentioned, still

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<v Speaker 1>grasped in her hands, and evidence suggests that the attacker

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<v Speaker 1>well had thrown her over the fence. Her body landed

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<v Speaker 1>just meters from the bedroom where Constable Stuart had been

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<v Speaker 1>sleeping hours before. As officers examined the scene, the reality

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<v Speaker 1>set in this had happened quickly, violently, and under the

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<v Speaker 1>cover of darkness, and when reconstructed, Betty's movements, while one

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<v Speaker 1>detail of them, stood out immediately. She was clearly attacked

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<v Speaker 1>incredibly close to home, and that distance from the tram

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<v Speaker 1>terminus to her home was short enough that she should

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<v Speaker 1>have been inside within minutes. Yet the screams came from

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<v Speaker 1>a point only two or three minutes walk from where

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<v Speaker 1>she got off the tram. Now that discrepancy raised an

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<v Speaker 1>unsettling question. Why hadn't Betty gone straight home? Because from

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<v Speaker 1>the time that she got off the tram station to

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<v Speaker 1>when the screams had occurred, she should already been in

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<v Speaker 1>her front door.

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<v Speaker 2>But she wasn't well. I mean, A, she could have

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<v Speaker 2>ran into someone that she knew and was chit chatting

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<v Speaker 2>or something, and b whatever, she felt like someone was

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<v Speaker 2>following her, so she like in a kind of flurry,

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<v Speaker 2>took like the wrong way or something to get rid

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<v Speaker 2>of this person.

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<v Speaker 1>You're already thinking exactly like the officers.

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<v Speaker 2>Were, Okay, exactly, maybe I should be an officer.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe maybe maybe you should have a little bit of

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<v Speaker 1>a career switch here. I might be looking for a

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<v Speaker 1>new co host soon, I guess, as Nichole's going to

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<v Speaker 1>be solving murders instead of talking about them. Anyways, an

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<v Speaker 1>interesting thing happened here too. Her wristwatch provided a very

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<v Speaker 1>crucial detail for this timeline. It was found that her

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<v Speaker 1>watch had stopped at nine fifty three PM, and a

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<v Speaker 1>watchmaker would later confirm the stoppage was consistent with a

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<v Speaker 1>sudden violent impact. So that gave police that window of

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<v Speaker 1>time between the screams at around nine thirty nine and

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<v Speaker 1>the watch stopping at nine point fifty three. Police believed

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<v Speaker 1>the higher attack unfolded, but something delayed her after she

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<v Speaker 1>stepped off that trap. Whether it was, like you said,

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<v Speaker 1>a conversation, maybe a confrontation or encounter she didn't anticipate.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't know, but Betty did not immediately begin her

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<v Speaker 1>walk home, and that pause, whatever caused it, placed her

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<v Speaker 1>in the wrong spot at the wrong time. Now it

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<v Speaker 1>was clear, simply by looking at Betty's body that she

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<v Speaker 1>had been subject to extreme violence in a very short

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<v Speaker 1>span of time. I'm pretty sure we can all have

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<v Speaker 1>this bit of an image of what we see her like,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's not a pretty picture. Her injuries told a

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<v Speaker 1>story of sustained, frenzied aggression rather than a single blow

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<v Speaker 1>or momentary loss of control. In fact, her injuries were

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<v Speaker 1>quite extensive. Her jaw was fractured. One of her teeth

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<v Speaker 1>had been dislodged with such force that it was later

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<v Speaker 1>found several meters away from her body. Her face showed

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<v Speaker 1>a heavy trauma, her tongue and mouth were badly injured,

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<v Speaker 1>and investigators concluded that she'd been struck and kicked repeatedly.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, dark smudges of black boot polish were on

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<v Speaker 1>her face and legs, which means the attacker's shoes had

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<v Speaker 1>connected with those spots. As police believed she was kicked

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<v Speaker 1>while she was on the ground.

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<v Speaker 2>Whoa which actually means this person was a disgusting, disgusting human.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he's a douche canoe for sure. Holy Now, two large,

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<v Speaker 1>bloodstained handprints were found on the top rail of a

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<v Speaker 1>fence boarding the garden. The position of the prince suggested

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<v Speaker 1>that Betty had been thrown or pushed over the fence,

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<v Speaker 1>and that her attacker used it as support for his

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<v Speaker 1>weight as he followed or leaned over. From the size

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<v Speaker 1>of the prince, detectives believed the attacker was a physically

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<v Speaker 1>large man. Now, despite the violence, robbery was quickly ruled out.

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<v Speaker 1>I mentioned that Betty's handbag was found nearby with its

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<v Speaker 1>contents scattered, but nothing was stolen. Her jewelry, for example,

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<v Speaker 1>was even still in her body. There was no sign

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<v Speaker 1>that money or valuables had been taken.

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<v Speaker 2>Whatsoever, Okay, because I was wondering that she just won

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<v Speaker 2>the lottery, right.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's true, But didn't seem like anyone stole anything, Okay. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>her clothing complicated this picture. Her blouse had been torn

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<v Speaker 1>open buttons ripped away. Her bra strap was in fact broken,

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<v Speaker 1>and her underwear had been removed and it lay near

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<v Speaker 1>her body. At first glance, it appeared to be a

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<v Speaker 1>very sexually motivated attack, but the post mortem told a

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<v Speaker 1>different story because there was no evidence left behind that

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<v Speaker 1>proved Betty had been raped or sexually assaulted, so investigators

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<v Speaker 1>began to suspect that the undressing may have happened after

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<v Speaker 1>the attack, either as a failed attempt at sexual assault

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<v Speaker 1>and the perpetrator had to get out of there before

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<v Speaker 1>you know, doing whatever he was going to do, or

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<v Speaker 1>potentially as a deliberate act to mislead police.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah, I'm still just shocked though that no one

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<v Speaker 2>heard any of this.

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<v Speaker 1>People did hear screams, okay.

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<v Speaker 2>But I guess it just wasn't like alarming enough.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, something they heard the screams, assumed it was, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>just maybe a couple people fighting and they'll get over it,

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<v Speaker 1>or kids playing. This sort of stuff didn't happen here.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh crazy, So their mind just didn't even go there.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, their mind didn't go that it was actually anything.

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<v Speaker 2>Dangerous, which is really freaking sad.

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<v Speaker 1>It is now. Ultimately, strangulation was determined to be Betty's

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<v Speaker 1>cause of death, and by mid morning on September twentieth,

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen fifty two, the news about it was everywhere everyone

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<v Speaker 1>seemed to be talking about a young woman who had

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<v Speaker 1>been murdered in Grange, beaten and strangled in the middle

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<v Speaker 1>of a quiet suburban street, and for Brisbane. While this

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<v Speaker 1>was uncharted territory police response while it escalated almost immediately,

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<v Speaker 1>every available detective was pulled into this case. A special

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<v Speaker 1>communications room was set up inside the Criminal Investigation Branch

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<v Speaker 1>and officers worked in shifts around the clock. Hotels, laundries,

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<v Speaker 1>trash bins, public toilets. They were all searched for blood

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<v Speaker 1>stained clothes that had been discarded. Hundreds of homes had

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<v Speaker 1>officers knocking on the doors, and thousands of men. They

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<v Speaker 1>were all questioned to be potential leads and suspects, but

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<v Speaker 1>there wasn't a whole lot to go on. This was

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<v Speaker 1>the largest criminal investigation Queensland had ever launched, and the

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<v Speaker 1>pressure was intense. It came from everywhere. The public well,

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<v Speaker 1>they wanted answers, the media, they wanted a suspect, and

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<v Speaker 1>police knew that if they didn't move fast, the trail

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<v Speaker 1>on this case could go cold. Very soon. Newspapers ran

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<v Speaker 1>dramatic headlines. They branded the unknown killer as a sex

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<v Speaker 1>maniac and flooding the city with speculation, every rumor was printed,

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<v Speaker 1>every theory was debated, and Brisbane, a city used to

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<v Speaker 1>be quiet and filled with routines with predictable nights, well

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00:22:57.839 --> 00:23:01.839
<v Speaker 1>now it was suddenly gripped by fear. People began locking

423
00:23:01.880 --> 00:23:05.240
<v Speaker 1>their doors for the first time. Windows that had always

424
00:23:05.279 --> 00:23:09.279
<v Speaker 1>been left open were now shut tight. Parents worn daughters

425
00:23:09.319 --> 00:23:11.880
<v Speaker 1>not to walk alone at night, and women altered their roots,

426
00:23:12.000 --> 00:23:14.799
<v Speaker 1>avoided trams after dark and stayed home if they could.

427
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<v Speaker 1>For investigators working the case, nothing about Betty made sense

428
00:23:19.880 --> 00:23:22.880
<v Speaker 1>as a target of a violent crime. She wasn't known

429
00:23:22.920 --> 00:23:26.480
<v Speaker 1>to take risks. She didn't drink, didn't frequent dangerous places,

430
00:23:26.799 --> 00:23:30.839
<v Speaker 1>didn't keep questionable company. She went to work, attended her

431
00:23:30.880 --> 00:23:35.000
<v Speaker 1>night classes, went home. That was her routine. There was

432
00:23:35.119 --> 00:23:38.359
<v Speaker 1>nothing about her that suggested she would find violence like this.

433
00:23:39.680 --> 00:23:43.160
<v Speaker 1>So investigators started where they always do, to those closest

434
00:23:43.160 --> 00:23:46.200
<v Speaker 1>to the victim and digging into their life. They spoke

435
00:23:46.240 --> 00:23:49.799
<v Speaker 1>at length with Betty's parents, her brother, her friends and coworkers.

436
00:23:50.000 --> 00:23:52.400
<v Speaker 1>They combed through her days leading up to the murder,

437
00:23:52.680 --> 00:23:55.160
<v Speaker 1>looking for anything that was out of place, whether it

438
00:23:55.200 --> 00:23:59.599
<v Speaker 1>was arguments or acquaintances, secret relationships, financial issues, anything that

439
00:23:59.599 --> 00:24:02.559
<v Speaker 1>could explain why someone would wait for her in the

440
00:24:02.680 --> 00:24:07.400
<v Speaker 1>dark street then attack her with such violence, but nothing emerged.

441
00:24:08.400 --> 00:24:12.000
<v Speaker 1>Betty had no known enemies, she didn't have a relationship,

442
00:24:12.240 --> 00:24:15.119
<v Speaker 1>and according to her closest friends, she hadn't even dated

443
00:24:15.160 --> 00:24:18.079
<v Speaker 1>anyone in a year leading up to her death. And

444
00:24:18.160 --> 00:24:21.839
<v Speaker 1>if she was troubled by something, well she hadn't shared it.

445
00:24:23.559 --> 00:24:29.119
<v Speaker 1>That made one detail impossible to ignore. Whoever attacked her

446
00:24:29.599 --> 00:24:34.559
<v Speaker 1>either knew her movements extremely well or encountered her simply

447
00:24:34.640 --> 00:24:36.720
<v Speaker 1>by chance and acted quickly.

448
00:24:37.440 --> 00:24:40.519
<v Speaker 2>Huh, there just doesn't seem like there is like enough

449
00:24:40.559 --> 00:24:45.079
<v Speaker 2>information here. I mean, I'm sure the police may have more, obviously,

450
00:24:45.160 --> 00:24:50.839
<v Speaker 2>but she just seemed like the most pear innocent, lovely person,

451
00:24:51.480 --> 00:24:55.519
<v Speaker 2>right and basically and that something terrible happened to her,

452
00:24:55.559 --> 00:24:59.920
<v Speaker 2>and there isn't really anything no like trail. So I don't.

453
00:25:00.079 --> 00:25:04.000
<v Speaker 1>Well, Well, if this case were to happen today, I

454
00:25:04.039 --> 00:25:06.799
<v Speaker 1>think it would go a lot different. Being that this

455
00:25:06.839 --> 00:25:07.599
<v Speaker 1>is in the fifties.

456
00:25:07.720 --> 00:25:10.559
<v Speaker 2>Things of fingerprints or whatever, right, that makes it a

457
00:25:10.599 --> 00:25:13.880
<v Speaker 2>lot tough, or even like cameras right on people's houses and.

458
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<v Speaker 1>So sure, so it's a shame to say that. I

459
00:25:18.160 --> 00:25:21.680
<v Speaker 1>think this case is a byproduct of its time. That's

460
00:25:21.920 --> 00:25:25.759
<v Speaker 1>very fair, now, investigators. They also struggled with the location

461
00:25:25.880 --> 00:25:29.039
<v Speaker 1>of the attack. Betty was assaulted and killed only minutes

462
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<v Speaker 1>from her home. We know that it was in a

463
00:25:31.119 --> 00:25:34.640
<v Speaker 1>street that she knew very well. This was huge because

464
00:25:34.640 --> 00:25:38.079
<v Speaker 1>it suggested either confidence that the attack on the attacker's

465
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<v Speaker 1>part or familiarity with the area. Possibly as well, because

466
00:25:41.680 --> 00:25:45.559
<v Speaker 1>a stranger passing through would have taken a very significant

467
00:25:45.640 --> 00:25:50.359
<v Speaker 1>risk attacking someone so close to houses. That's not normal

468
00:25:50.720 --> 00:25:51.880
<v Speaker 1>attacking behavior.

469
00:25:52.039 --> 00:25:53.160
<v Speaker 2>No, not at all, So.

470
00:25:53.200 --> 00:25:57.000
<v Speaker 1>This person likely knew the area. Then there was the

471
00:25:57.079 --> 00:26:00.759
<v Speaker 1>question of timing. Why did Betty not walk straight home

472
00:26:00.799 --> 00:26:04.160
<v Speaker 1>after leaving the tram. The screams were heard too late

473
00:26:04.200 --> 00:26:06.680
<v Speaker 1>for her to have stepped off and immediately been attacked

474
00:26:06.680 --> 00:26:08.839
<v Speaker 1>at the spot where her body was found. By then,

475
00:26:08.920 --> 00:26:11.880
<v Speaker 1>she should have already made it home, so something had

476
00:26:11.920 --> 00:26:15.640
<v Speaker 1>clearly delayed her. Police also believed the attack happened quickly

477
00:26:15.680 --> 00:26:18.160
<v Speaker 1>and with enough force to silence Betty before she could

478
00:26:18.160 --> 00:26:22.599
<v Speaker 1>attract sustained attention. The screams heard suggested panic, but they

479
00:26:23.200 --> 00:26:24.519
<v Speaker 1>weren't very long.

480
00:26:24.880 --> 00:26:27.440
<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, it was just like a quick yeah kind

481
00:26:27.480 --> 00:26:29.400
<v Speaker 2>of thing and then silence exactly.

482
00:26:29.759 --> 00:26:32.160
<v Speaker 1>So all of this helped narrow the location of the

483
00:26:32.160 --> 00:26:37.039
<v Speaker 1>initial confrontation, it likely occurred near the tram terminal itself

484
00:26:37.440 --> 00:26:40.119
<v Speaker 1>or along the early stretch of Thomas Street before Betty

485
00:26:40.160 --> 00:26:43.240
<v Speaker 1>reached the final leg of her walk home. The attacker

486
00:26:43.319 --> 00:26:46.720
<v Speaker 1>would have already been close to her before things turned violent,

487
00:26:47.039 --> 00:26:50.400
<v Speaker 1>and that realization brought investigators back to one troubling idea

488
00:26:51.000 --> 00:26:55.640
<v Speaker 1>someone may have been waiting now. In the days following

489
00:26:55.680 --> 00:26:59.440
<v Speaker 1>the murder, several witnesses came forward with accounts that all

490
00:26:59.480 --> 00:27:03.279
<v Speaker 1>pointed to the same unsettling detail. A man was seen

491
00:27:03.400 --> 00:27:08.880
<v Speaker 1>loitering near the Grange tram terminal that very night. Witnesses

492
00:27:08.920 --> 00:27:12.000
<v Speaker 1>described him as being tall, close to six feet, with

493
00:27:12.039 --> 00:27:15.359
<v Speaker 1>a solid build and a round face. He was well groomed,

494
00:27:15.480 --> 00:27:19.200
<v Speaker 1>neatly dressed, and wearing a light brown, double breasted suit.

495
00:27:19.920 --> 00:27:22.839
<v Speaker 1>He wasn't drunk, he wasn't loud or belligerent. He wasn't

496
00:27:22.839 --> 00:27:25.240
<v Speaker 1>trying to speak to anyone. Instead, he just paced back

497
00:27:25.279 --> 00:27:28.559
<v Speaker 1>and forth near the terminus, appearing restless, as though waiting

498
00:27:28.599 --> 00:27:33.359
<v Speaker 1>for someone or something. In fact, in the later inquest,

499
00:27:33.559 --> 00:27:38.279
<v Speaker 1>witnesses would eventually give formal statements describing this man's appearance

500
00:27:38.319 --> 00:27:42.200
<v Speaker 1>and movements. Their accounts were consistent enough that police believed

501
00:27:42.359 --> 00:27:46.359
<v Speaker 1>they were all describing the same individual, and investigators became

502
00:27:46.440 --> 00:27:51.160
<v Speaker 1>convinced that this man mattered to this story. The timing

503
00:27:51.680 --> 00:27:52.799
<v Speaker 1>lined up all too well.

504
00:27:54.160 --> 00:27:54.319
<v Speaker 2>Now.

505
00:27:54.319 --> 00:27:57.160
<v Speaker 1>Betty stepped off the tram just after nine thirty pm,

506
00:27:57.559 --> 00:27:59.960
<v Speaker 1>and the screams were heard less than ten minutes later,

507
00:28:00.799 --> 00:28:03.240
<v Speaker 1>So if someone had been waiting at the terminus, it

508
00:28:03.279 --> 00:28:08.319
<v Speaker 1>would explain why Betty didn't immediately head home. Then another

509
00:28:08.359 --> 00:28:13.799
<v Speaker 1>report surfaced. Roughly forty seven minutes after Betty's wristwatch had stopped,

510
00:28:13.799 --> 00:28:16.519
<v Speaker 1>a taxi driver picked up a man less than three

511
00:28:16.640 --> 00:28:21.079
<v Speaker 1>kilometers from the crime scene. The man reportedly had blood

512
00:28:21.119 --> 00:28:24.960
<v Speaker 1>on his face and clothing. He appeared agitated and gave

513
00:28:25.000 --> 00:28:28.640
<v Speaker 1>no clear explanation for his condition. Now police believed this

514
00:28:28.720 --> 00:28:32.079
<v Speaker 1>passenger could be the same man seen earlier at the terminus.

515
00:28:32.759 --> 00:28:36.240
<v Speaker 1>The only problem was no one could identify him.

516
00:28:37.680 --> 00:28:40.960
<v Speaker 2>Well, that definitely makes sense, but it also really doesn't,

517
00:28:40.960 --> 00:28:43.319
<v Speaker 2>because who the hell is this guy? Well?

518
00:28:43.359 --> 00:28:45.720
<v Speaker 1>What makes sense and what doesn't? What do you mean exactly?

519
00:28:45.880 --> 00:28:49.799
<v Speaker 2>It makes sense that there was someone odd hanging around, Okay, yeah,

520
00:28:49.799 --> 00:28:54.279
<v Speaker 2>and then you know, however, much time afterwards, someone he

521
00:28:54.359 --> 00:28:55.759
<v Speaker 2>got picked up with like blood on.

522
00:28:55.839 --> 00:28:57.000
<v Speaker 1>Him forty seven minutes.

523
00:28:57.079 --> 00:29:00.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so n three kilometers or whatever her away, so

524
00:29:00.599 --> 00:29:03.640
<v Speaker 2>it must then it makes sense that this would be

525
00:29:03.720 --> 00:29:04.599
<v Speaker 2>like the same person.

526
00:29:04.839 --> 00:29:07.160
<v Speaker 1>It does. So if you have an individual hanging around

527
00:29:07.240 --> 00:29:09.720
<v Speaker 1>an area, then someone getting killed in that area, then

528
00:29:09.720 --> 00:29:12.079
<v Speaker 1>someone's seen leaving that area with blood on them. It

529
00:29:12.160 --> 00:29:13.680
<v Speaker 1>seems to all add.

530
00:29:13.519 --> 00:29:16.200
<v Speaker 2>Up, and it's well, I'm just thinking, like, it's really

531
00:29:16.240 --> 00:29:19.920
<v Speaker 2>too bad. But I mean, even nowadays, someone could potentially

532
00:29:20.319 --> 00:29:23.960
<v Speaker 2>well no, I think taxis probably have cameras of sorts

533
00:29:24.000 --> 00:29:26.839
<v Speaker 2>in them, recording, so yeah, he probably wouldn't be able

534
00:29:26.839 --> 00:29:29.039
<v Speaker 2>to get away with it so much. But I was

535
00:29:29.079 --> 00:29:31.920
<v Speaker 2>just thinking someone nowadays get picked up, pays with cash

536
00:29:32.079 --> 00:29:34.599
<v Speaker 2>or whatever. Then you know, maybe they could get away

537
00:29:34.640 --> 00:29:36.839
<v Speaker 2>with this, but probably not either.

538
00:29:37.599 --> 00:29:38.200
<v Speaker 1>Hard to say.

539
00:29:38.640 --> 00:29:41.519
<v Speaker 2>Hmm, oh my gosh, Okay, this doesn't make any sense.

540
00:29:41.519 --> 00:29:42.720
<v Speaker 2>Who the hell is this guy?

541
00:29:43.279 --> 00:29:46.519
<v Speaker 1>Now? For weeks after the murder, detectives worked under the

542
00:29:46.559 --> 00:29:49.640
<v Speaker 1>assumption that Betty Shanks had been attacked by a stranger,

543
00:29:49.920 --> 00:29:52.039
<v Speaker 1>someone who didn't know her, someone who wore a brown

544
00:29:52.079 --> 00:29:55.279
<v Speaker 1>suit and saw an opportunity and acted without warning. But

545
00:29:55.319 --> 00:29:59.000
<v Speaker 1>then during the aforementioned inquest in February of nineteen fifty three,

546
00:29:59.400 --> 00:30:05.519
<v Speaker 1>a detail merged that quietly unsettled that theory. Betty's supervisor,

547
00:30:05.880 --> 00:30:10.480
<v Speaker 1>John Doocy, testified that two days before her death, Betty

548
00:30:10.559 --> 00:30:14.480
<v Speaker 1>had received a telephone call at work, one that visibly

549
00:30:14.839 --> 00:30:15.400
<v Speaker 1>upset her.

550
00:30:16.160 --> 00:30:17.440
<v Speaker 2>Okay, here we go.

551
00:30:17.960 --> 00:30:21.319
<v Speaker 1>According to John, the call came from an unknown male,

552
00:30:22.000 --> 00:30:25.079
<v Speaker 1>but he didn't know what he said, only that when

553
00:30:25.079 --> 00:30:27.880
<v Speaker 1>Betty put the phone down, she was shaken, noticeably different

554
00:30:27.920 --> 00:30:31.759
<v Speaker 1>from her usual calm, focused self quote. She was not

555
00:30:31.920 --> 00:30:36.359
<v Speaker 1>her normal self after that call end quote. This was

556
00:30:36.400 --> 00:30:40.799
<v Speaker 1>the first time investigators actually heard anything suggesting that Betty

557
00:30:40.960 --> 00:30:44.440
<v Speaker 1>may have been unsettled before the night she died. Up

558
00:30:44.519 --> 00:30:48.920
<v Speaker 1>until then, everything seemed aokay, her typical routine and happiness.

559
00:30:49.480 --> 00:30:53.119
<v Speaker 1>Police immediately tried to reconstruct that call, who placed it,

560
00:30:53.160 --> 00:30:55.720
<v Speaker 1>where it came from, whether it was threatening, familiar, or

561
00:30:55.759 --> 00:30:59.519
<v Speaker 1>simply unwanted, But in nineteen fifty two, tracing phone calls

562
00:30:59.599 --> 00:31:02.480
<v Speaker 1>was limited at best. There was no recordings or call

563
00:31:02.519 --> 00:31:05.440
<v Speaker 1>her ID or any sort of reliable way to identify

564
00:31:05.480 --> 00:31:07.799
<v Speaker 1>the voice on the other end of the line. All

565
00:31:07.839 --> 00:31:11.200
<v Speaker 1>detectives could confirm was that this call had happened, and

566
00:31:11.240 --> 00:31:12.559
<v Speaker 1>then it had affected her.

567
00:31:14.000 --> 00:31:14.160
<v Speaker 2>Now.

568
00:31:14.200 --> 00:31:18.119
<v Speaker 1>The revelation forced police to consider a new possibility that

569
00:31:18.240 --> 00:31:21.759
<v Speaker 1>someone may have been thinking about Betty before that Friday night,

570
00:31:22.119 --> 00:31:25.319
<v Speaker 1>that someone who knew her name and felt entitled enough

571
00:31:25.359 --> 00:31:29.839
<v Speaker 1>to contact her directly may have been watching her. That

572
00:31:29.880 --> 00:31:32.680
<v Speaker 1>didn't mean Betty knew her killer, though, but it did

573
00:31:32.759 --> 00:31:36.279
<v Speaker 1>raise the possibility that the attack wasn't entirely random.

574
00:31:36.759 --> 00:31:39.039
<v Speaker 2>Well, I'm just sitting here thinking too that maybe she

575
00:31:39.279 --> 00:31:42.920
<v Speaker 2>was into something that no one knew of, or something

576
00:31:43.160 --> 00:31:44.839
<v Speaker 2>a little bit dangerous of sorts.

577
00:31:45.079 --> 00:31:49.480
<v Speaker 1>But how what she's at work, she's at school, then

578
00:31:49.480 --> 00:31:50.119
<v Speaker 1>she's at home.

579
00:31:50.279 --> 00:31:53.400
<v Speaker 2>Well, someone knew to call her, right, so knew her

580
00:31:54.119 --> 00:31:56.480
<v Speaker 2>and wasn't happy with her, So how would she have

581
00:31:56.559 --> 00:31:57.920
<v Speaker 2>made them unhappy?

582
00:31:59.000 --> 00:32:02.200
<v Speaker 1>But people can be unhe with you for reasons that

583
00:32:02.240 --> 00:32:05.079
<v Speaker 1>you do not have control over. Just because you pissed

584
00:32:05.119 --> 00:32:07.599
<v Speaker 1>someone off doesn't mean you did something to piss them off.

585
00:32:08.079 --> 00:32:10.400
<v Speaker 1>Just my existence pisses some people off.

586
00:32:10.440 --> 00:32:12.720
<v Speaker 2>I know that that's very true.

587
00:32:12.759 --> 00:32:16.359
<v Speaker 1>I guess maybe her winning the lottery, maybe her being

588
00:32:16.519 --> 00:32:21.000
<v Speaker 1>a woman going to post secondary in an era like this, she.

589
00:32:21.200 --> 00:32:25.000
<v Speaker 2>Might have taken an opportunity from a man someone believed right, or.

590
00:32:24.960 --> 00:32:28.200
<v Speaker 1>Maybe someone had an infactuation with her, or maybe it

591
00:32:28.240 --> 00:32:30.720
<v Speaker 1>was a colleague who was threatened by her. We don't know.

592
00:32:30.759 --> 00:32:34.119
<v Speaker 1>There's many possibilities that she had no control over that

593
00:32:34.160 --> 00:32:37.079
<v Speaker 1>she did not go out of her way to construct

594
00:32:37.440 --> 00:32:39.279
<v Speaker 1>that could have resulted in this scenario.

595
00:32:40.920 --> 00:32:43.279
<v Speaker 2>Hm hmmm, okay, Yeah, if only you could just know

596
00:32:43.759 --> 00:32:45.559
<v Speaker 2>what was said on that line, Hey, it would make

597
00:32:45.559 --> 00:32:46.599
<v Speaker 2>a lot of things easier.

598
00:32:46.720 --> 00:32:50.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Now, as time went on, investigators did all they

599
00:32:50.200 --> 00:32:51.880
<v Speaker 1>could to try and put all the pieces of the

600
00:32:51.880 --> 00:32:54.759
<v Speaker 1>puzzle together. They went through all the details and evidence

601
00:32:54.759 --> 00:32:57.400
<v Speaker 1>they could, and you have to try and find a breakthrough.

602
00:32:57.599 --> 00:33:00.000
<v Speaker 1>And among all the things recorded at the crime scene,

603
00:33:00.200 --> 00:33:03.200
<v Speaker 1>one detail did continue to stand out to them, and

604
00:33:03.240 --> 00:33:05.440
<v Speaker 1>in fact, it almost was mocking the police because no

605
00:33:05.480 --> 00:33:09.519
<v Speaker 1>one could explain why this detail was there. You see,

606
00:33:09.519 --> 00:33:12.799
<v Speaker 1>on Betty Shank's forehead, they found a strange pattern imprint.

607
00:33:13.559 --> 00:33:15.559
<v Speaker 1>It wasn't a bruise or a cut or a scrape.

608
00:33:15.559 --> 00:33:19.839
<v Speaker 1>Investigators described it as a distinct, dotted or textured mark,

609
00:33:20.079 --> 00:33:24.079
<v Speaker 1>like likely pressed into the skin during the attack. It

610
00:33:24.200 --> 00:33:27.720
<v Speaker 1>was photographed, it was measured and noted repeatedly in reports.

611
00:33:28.839 --> 00:33:31.559
<v Speaker 1>But it was a problem because the mark didn't match.

612
00:33:31.720 --> 00:33:34.079
<v Speaker 1>It didn't match the fence, it didn't match the ground,

613
00:33:34.160 --> 00:33:37.240
<v Speaker 1>It didn't clearly resemble a hand, fist or piece of

614
00:33:37.279 --> 00:33:41.319
<v Speaker 1>debris or anything whatever caused it had come into forceful

615
00:33:41.359 --> 00:33:44.640
<v Speaker 1>contact with Betty's forehead during the assault, likely while she

616
00:33:44.720 --> 00:33:49.119
<v Speaker 1>was being overpowered, and left this imprint so early on,

617
00:33:49.440 --> 00:33:52.400
<v Speaker 1>some detectives thought it might be meaningless. You know, injuries

618
00:33:52.440 --> 00:33:57.000
<v Speaker 1>and violent struggles can can occur in unexpected ways from

619
00:33:57.039 --> 00:34:00.240
<v Speaker 1>unexpected sources, maybe a rock pressed into her head a

620
00:34:00.240 --> 00:34:03.759
<v Speaker 1>certain weird way, for example. But journalists who saw the photos, well,

621
00:34:03.839 --> 00:34:08.159
<v Speaker 1>they weren't convinced. One of them was Ken Blanche, a

622
00:34:08.239 --> 00:34:11.000
<v Speaker 1>veteran crime reporter who'd been among the first at the

623
00:34:11.000 --> 00:34:15.199
<v Speaker 1>scene in nineteen fifty two. Ken believed that the imprint

624
00:34:15.320 --> 00:34:19.400
<v Speaker 1>resembled the pattern left by a military canvas gator, the

625
00:34:19.400 --> 00:34:22.000
<v Speaker 1>type of protective leg covering worn by soldiers at the time,

626
00:34:22.039 --> 00:34:24.719
<v Speaker 1>with straps over the lower leg and over the boot.

627
00:34:25.679 --> 00:34:29.239
<v Speaker 1>It was a very compelling idea. During that time, the

628
00:34:29.320 --> 00:34:33.280
<v Speaker 1>Korean War was underway and Brisbane was full of servicemen

629
00:34:33.360 --> 00:34:35.639
<v Speaker 1>and soldiers in uniform who were you know, it was

630
00:34:35.679 --> 00:34:39.159
<v Speaker 1>a very common sight on trams, streets and pubs. If

631
00:34:39.199 --> 00:34:42.320
<v Speaker 1>that mark came from a gator, it suggested the attacker

632
00:34:42.440 --> 00:34:46.599
<v Speaker 1>wasn't necessarily just strong, but potentially could have had military

633
00:34:46.639 --> 00:34:51.159
<v Speaker 1>training to boot, but not everyone agreed with this theory.

634
00:34:52.559 --> 00:34:57.719
<v Speaker 1>Other investigators pointed out that the pattern wasn't an exact match. Similar, yes,

635
00:34:58.079 --> 00:35:01.639
<v Speaker 1>but not identical. Print could have come from a boot's soul,

636
00:35:01.840 --> 00:35:04.280
<v Speaker 1>or a textured object pressing down during the chaos of

637
00:35:04.320 --> 00:35:06.679
<v Speaker 1>the attack, or something no one had thought to compare

638
00:35:06.719 --> 00:35:10.599
<v Speaker 1>it to. Still, the mark refused to fade from this case.

639
00:35:11.320 --> 00:35:15.480
<v Speaker 1>It appeared in newspaper articles, resurface during the inquest, It

640
00:35:15.559 --> 00:35:18.360
<v Speaker 1>lingered in police files long after any sort of leads

641
00:35:18.400 --> 00:35:20.840
<v Speaker 1>dried up, and over time it became less about what

642
00:35:20.880 --> 00:35:25.199
<v Speaker 1>it proved and more about what it might suggest military involvement,

643
00:35:25.559 --> 00:35:29.480
<v Speaker 1>a uniformed attacker, someone accustomed to violence, or just another

644
00:35:29.559 --> 00:35:35.159
<v Speaker 1>coincidence that investigators desperately wanted to mean something. As the

645
00:35:35.199 --> 00:35:38.880
<v Speaker 1>weeks turned into months and then into years, the murder

646
00:35:38.920 --> 00:35:43.199
<v Speaker 1>of Betty Shanks began to attract something investigators dreaded almost

647
00:35:43.239 --> 00:35:49.320
<v Speaker 1>as much as silence. False confessions. Men started coming forward

648
00:35:49.360 --> 00:35:53.159
<v Speaker 1>claiming responsibility for the crime. Some were local, others were

649
00:35:53.280 --> 00:35:56.400
<v Speaker 1>from interstate areas, and a few were already in custody

650
00:35:56.440 --> 00:36:01.000
<v Speaker 1>for unrelated offenses. Several confessed late in life offering death

651
00:36:01.039 --> 00:36:04.519
<v Speaker 1>bed admissions that promised closure, Yet every single one of

652
00:36:04.559 --> 00:36:08.159
<v Speaker 1>them fell apart under scrutiny. Some couldn't place themselves in

653
00:36:08.199 --> 00:36:11.000
<v Speaker 1>Brisbane at the time. Others described details that didn't match

654
00:36:11.039 --> 00:36:13.400
<v Speaker 1>the crime scene. A few even admitted that they had

655
00:36:13.440 --> 00:36:17.880
<v Speaker 1>fabricated their story after reading newspaper articles or hearing radio broadcasts.

656
00:36:18.599 --> 00:36:22.079
<v Speaker 1>In some cases, police concluded that men were seeking attention.

657
00:36:22.559 --> 00:36:24.920
<v Speaker 1>In others, they believed that the confessions came from people

658
00:36:25.000 --> 00:36:28.840
<v Speaker 1>struggling with mental illness or guilt over unrelated acts, or

659
00:36:28.880 --> 00:36:31.840
<v Speaker 1>perhaps a desire to attach themselves to a notorious crime.

660
00:36:32.840 --> 00:36:34.880
<v Speaker 1>But by the end of the first decade, at least

661
00:36:34.920 --> 00:36:38.000
<v Speaker 1>seven men had formally confessed to killing Betty Shanks, and

662
00:36:38.079 --> 00:36:40.000
<v Speaker 1>none of them were linked or charged.

663
00:36:40.280 --> 00:36:44.119
<v Speaker 2>Oh that is so many. That is just so bizarre

664
00:36:44.199 --> 00:36:47.719
<v Speaker 2>to me, people who are admitting to crimes that they

665
00:36:47.719 --> 00:36:49.760
<v Speaker 2>do not commit. I mean, I get like the mental health,

666
00:36:49.800 --> 00:36:52.719
<v Speaker 2>I guess, or they want the popularity, But what a

667
00:36:52.760 --> 00:36:54.800
<v Speaker 2>waste of resources and time and.

668
00:36:54.880 --> 00:36:58.639
<v Speaker 1>Just yeah, each one of these confessions is it's draining time, energy,

669
00:36:58.679 --> 00:37:02.679
<v Speaker 1>and honestly momentum from a potential investigation that could actually

670
00:37:02.760 --> 00:37:06.679
<v Speaker 1>solve it. Absolutely because they have to go check alibis, interviews, witnesses,

671
00:37:06.719 --> 00:37:10.400
<v Speaker 1>all this, re examine physical evidence. There's so much that

672
00:37:10.440 --> 00:37:12.880
<v Speaker 1>goes through this and it really hinders the case.

673
00:37:13.079 --> 00:37:15.639
<v Speaker 2>Well, and I don't know too if the family is

674
00:37:15.639 --> 00:37:18.280
<v Speaker 2>made aware of this too, and then they're they're thinking

675
00:37:18.360 --> 00:37:20.519
<v Speaker 2>like the killer's caught when really they're not.

676
00:37:21.320 --> 00:37:23.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's bad to say that.

677
00:37:23.440 --> 00:37:26.320
<v Speaker 2>If that's the case, that is like devastating to them.

678
00:37:26.599 --> 00:37:30.920
<v Speaker 1>And all the while the real trails growing colder. Now.

679
00:37:31.039 --> 00:37:34.039
<v Speaker 1>Tips did come in, but few of them led anywhere,

680
00:37:34.320 --> 00:37:37.079
<v Speaker 1>and as time passed with no arrests, the investigation entered

681
00:37:37.079 --> 00:37:40.880
<v Speaker 1>a new phase, with physical evidence exhausted and witnesses offering

682
00:37:40.960 --> 00:37:45.280
<v Speaker 1>no new information that's actually legitimate. Detectives were forced to

683
00:37:45.280 --> 00:37:49.159
<v Speaker 1>confront a very difficult reality. They still did not understand

684
00:37:49.199 --> 00:37:51.960
<v Speaker 1>why Betty Shanks had been attacked, and one of the

685
00:37:51.960 --> 00:37:57.920
<v Speaker 1>first theories to gain traction was mistaken identity. Police learned

686
00:37:57.960 --> 00:38:02.239
<v Speaker 1>that a local doctor's receptionist regularly walked the same streets

687
00:38:02.840 --> 00:38:05.760
<v Speaker 1>at a similar time of night and carried keys to

688
00:38:05.800 --> 00:38:10.159
<v Speaker 1>where many drugs were stored. Investigators considered the possibility that

689
00:38:10.199 --> 00:38:13.480
<v Speaker 1>someone had been waiting for her and attacked Betty instead

690
00:38:13.559 --> 00:38:18.519
<v Speaker 1>by accident. The idea explained the apparent ambush the precise timing,

691
00:38:18.679 --> 00:38:21.199
<v Speaker 1>but there was no evidence that the receptionists had been targeted,

692
00:38:21.320 --> 00:38:24.239
<v Speaker 1>nor any proof that the killer knew her schedule, so

693
00:38:24.880 --> 00:38:28.480
<v Speaker 1>it didn't really go anywhere. Another theory emerged after a

694
00:38:28.480 --> 00:38:31.960
<v Speaker 1>local doctor died by suicide just two days after Betty

695
00:38:32.039 --> 00:38:35.760
<v Speaker 1>was murdered. The timing raised eyebrows and fueled public speculation,

696
00:38:36.159 --> 00:38:38.599
<v Speaker 1>and rumors spread that he may have known Betty or

697
00:38:38.639 --> 00:38:43.119
<v Speaker 1>harbored unwonted feelings towards her for a brief period. Some

698
00:38:43.199 --> 00:38:46.039
<v Speaker 1>believed guilt had driven him to take his own life,

699
00:38:46.239 --> 00:38:49.719
<v Speaker 1>but police again found no link between the doctor and Betty.

700
00:38:50.199 --> 00:38:53.280
<v Speaker 1>No witnesses placed him in Graange that night, no evidence

701
00:38:53.320 --> 00:38:56.199
<v Speaker 1>tied him to the crime. He was eventually ruled out,

702
00:38:56.280 --> 00:38:59.800
<v Speaker 1>though the rumor lingered for years now, the military connection

703
00:38:59.880 --> 00:39:03.159
<v Speaker 1>was something that remained a very persistent undercurrent in this case.

704
00:39:03.679 --> 00:39:07.320
<v Speaker 1>The unusual patterned imprint on Betty's forehead led some investigators

705
00:39:07.320 --> 00:39:09.599
<v Speaker 1>and journalists to suggest it may have been caused by

706
00:39:09.639 --> 00:39:13.840
<v Speaker 1>a military gaiter or equipment worn by soldiers. With Brisbane

707
00:39:13.840 --> 00:39:16.400
<v Speaker 1>hosting the large number of servicemen during the Korean War,

708
00:39:16.719 --> 00:39:20.960
<v Speaker 1>the theory seemed very plausible. However, no soldier was ever identified,

709
00:39:20.960 --> 00:39:23.960
<v Speaker 1>and no military record produced a suspect who could be

710
00:39:24.000 --> 00:39:27.679
<v Speaker 1>placed at the scene. But most of all, that taxi

711
00:39:27.760 --> 00:39:30.559
<v Speaker 1>driver who reported picking up a well dressed man with

712
00:39:30.599 --> 00:39:33.360
<v Speaker 1>blood in his face and clothing less than an hour

713
00:39:33.480 --> 00:39:37.400
<v Speaker 1>after Betty's watch had stopped. This remained the largest piece

714
00:39:37.440 --> 00:39:39.199
<v Speaker 1>in the story, and it's less a theory and more

715
00:39:39.239 --> 00:39:41.760
<v Speaker 1>a loose end which honestly could fall under any one

716
00:39:41.800 --> 00:39:45.400
<v Speaker 1>of the previous theories. The pick up occurred a short

717
00:39:45.440 --> 00:39:48.239
<v Speaker 1>distance from the murder scene, and police believed this man

718
00:39:48.280 --> 00:39:51.119
<v Speaker 1>was likely the same individual witness seen pacing the Grannge

719
00:39:51.119 --> 00:39:55.280
<v Speaker 1>Tramp terminal earlier that night, but his identity well never

720
00:39:55.320 --> 00:39:59.360
<v Speaker 1>confirmed and never found. And with each theory accounting for

721
00:39:59.480 --> 00:40:02.360
<v Speaker 1>part of the time timeline, but they all each failed

722
00:40:02.400 --> 00:40:05.559
<v Speaker 1>to explain the whole picture. There's no single narrative that

723
00:40:05.599 --> 00:40:09.039
<v Speaker 1>seemed to fit every known fact, and as years passed,

724
00:40:09.239 --> 00:40:14.599
<v Speaker 1>while theories multiplied while certainty dwindled, for nearly half a century,

725
00:40:15.199 --> 00:40:18.599
<v Speaker 1>the murder of Betty Shanks existed as a very cold case.

726
00:40:19.280 --> 00:40:23.320
<v Speaker 1>But then in the late nineteen nineties, that silence was

727
00:40:23.360 --> 00:40:27.239
<v Speaker 1>broken by a claim so personal and disturbing that it

728
00:40:27.360 --> 00:40:33.280
<v Speaker 1>reignited public interest almost overnight. In nineteen ninety nine, a

729
00:40:33.320 --> 00:40:37.559
<v Speaker 1>woman named Dishe Birtles came forward with an allegation that

730
00:40:37.639 --> 00:40:42.199
<v Speaker 1>stunned investigators and the public alike. See. She claimed that

731
00:40:42.280 --> 00:40:48.039
<v Speaker 1>her father, Eric Sterry, was responsible for Betty's murder. Eric

732
00:40:48.199 --> 00:40:50.760
<v Speaker 1>just So happened to be a former soldier and worked

733
00:40:50.760 --> 00:40:54.400
<v Speaker 1>as a locksmith for the Queensland government. According to Ditsch,

734
00:40:54.679 --> 00:40:57.960
<v Speaker 1>he had become obsessed with Betty after changing the locks

735
00:40:58.000 --> 00:41:01.840
<v Speaker 1>at her parents' home. He believed he developed a very

736
00:41:01.960 --> 00:41:06.079
<v Speaker 1>romantic feeling towards her, feelings that well were not returned.

737
00:41:07.000 --> 00:41:11.400
<v Speaker 1>In her account, rejection triggered a very violent response. Deets

738
00:41:11.519 --> 00:41:15.000
<v Speaker 1>described her father as an extremely violent man. She said

739
00:41:15.159 --> 00:41:18.280
<v Speaker 1>she had endured years of abuse at his hands, which

740
00:41:18.320 --> 00:41:22.360
<v Speaker 1>included frequent beatings and sexual assault. She told police that

741
00:41:22.400 --> 00:41:25.880
<v Speaker 1>his violence was unpredictable, that he could shift from calm

742
00:41:25.920 --> 00:41:29.800
<v Speaker 1>to enraged without warning, and that she lived in constant

743
00:41:29.840 --> 00:41:33.559
<v Speaker 1>fear throughout her childhood. She also claimed that on the

744
00:41:33.639 --> 00:41:37.159
<v Speaker 1>night that Betty was murdered, her father had returned home late,

745
00:41:37.360 --> 00:41:41.360
<v Speaker 1>behaving strangely, and according to her, he later burned his

746
00:41:41.400 --> 00:41:45.360
<v Speaker 1>clothes and ordered her to clean his shoes. Carefully paying

747
00:41:45.400 --> 00:41:50.519
<v Speaker 1>particular attention to the grooves along the souls. Now, at

748
00:41:50.559 --> 00:41:54.239
<v Speaker 1>the time she was young, didn't understand why, but years

749
00:41:54.280 --> 00:41:57.480
<v Speaker 1>later she believed what she was cleaning was blood from

750
00:41:57.480 --> 00:41:57.960
<v Speaker 1>his shoes.

751
00:41:58.199 --> 00:42:01.639
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, that is ridiculously suspicious.

752
00:42:02.039 --> 00:42:05.119
<v Speaker 1>Now Dish also said that her father kept a photograph

753
00:42:05.119 --> 00:42:07.760
<v Speaker 1>of Betty Shanks in a family photo album, and he

754
00:42:07.800 --> 00:42:10.119
<v Speaker 1>had done so for decades, with words written on the

755
00:42:10.119 --> 00:42:14.760
<v Speaker 1>back that read, quote Betty Thompson Shanks murdered nineteen fifty

756
00:42:14.760 --> 00:42:16.199
<v Speaker 1>two end quote.

757
00:42:16.280 --> 00:42:17.039
<v Speaker 2>Oh gosh.

758
00:42:17.360 --> 00:42:20.199
<v Speaker 1>She believed he kept it as a very personal reminder,

759
00:42:20.280 --> 00:42:23.440
<v Speaker 1>or perhaps even a trophy, of the crime that he committed.

760
00:42:25.239 --> 00:42:29.800
<v Speaker 1>Now his backstory, Eric's backstory it raised further red flags.

761
00:42:30.400 --> 00:42:35.280
<v Speaker 1>His military medical records described him as suffering from severe anxiety,

762
00:42:35.719 --> 00:42:42.360
<v Speaker 1>impulsive behavior, blackouts, and violent tendencies. Two psychiatrists, in fact,

763
00:42:42.599 --> 00:42:48.119
<v Speaker 1>had assessed him as potentially psychotic and dangerous. Not to mention,

764
00:42:48.280 --> 00:42:51.679
<v Speaker 1>he even had a documented history of domestic violence, including

765
00:42:51.719 --> 00:42:55.440
<v Speaker 1>police call outs earlier in nineteen fifty two. Now Dish

766
00:42:55.559 --> 00:42:58.199
<v Speaker 1>also claimed she tried to tell police about this year's

767
00:42:58.239 --> 00:43:02.960
<v Speaker 1>earlier in when she was just sixteen, she reported her

768
00:43:03.039 --> 00:43:05.920
<v Speaker 1>father's abuse and told officers she feared he would kill

769
00:43:06.000 --> 00:43:11.159
<v Speaker 1>her the same way he had killed Betty Shanks, and

770
00:43:11.199 --> 00:43:15.360
<v Speaker 1>according to her, she was simply dismissed. She attempted again

771
00:43:15.519 --> 00:43:18.519
<v Speaker 1>in the early nineteen nineties, encouraged by a counselor, but

772
00:43:18.840 --> 00:43:22.239
<v Speaker 1>received little follow up. By the time her story actually

773
00:43:22.320 --> 00:43:26.800
<v Speaker 1>became public, Eric Sterry had already been dead for two years.

774
00:43:27.679 --> 00:43:30.880
<v Speaker 1>Police reviewed her claims but ultimately concluded there was nothing

775
00:43:30.920 --> 00:43:35.320
<v Speaker 1>they could verify. Potential witnesses were gone, physical evidence was

776
00:43:35.400 --> 00:43:38.599
<v Speaker 1>decades old, and any opportunity to question Eric directly had

777
00:43:38.639 --> 00:43:42.559
<v Speaker 1>passed since well, he's now dead. Officials and the public's

778
00:43:42.559 --> 00:43:47.039
<v Speaker 1>reaction to all of this was quite divided. Some believe

779
00:43:47.079 --> 00:43:50.000
<v Speaker 1>that Detch was finally naming the killer, but others questioned

780
00:43:50.000 --> 00:43:53.440
<v Speaker 1>whether memory, trauma and the time had blurred the truth.

781
00:43:54.440 --> 00:43:58.039
<v Speaker 1>All we know is without proof though that this case well,

782
00:43:58.039 --> 00:44:02.159
<v Speaker 1>it just simply couldn't move forward regardless. By the early

783
00:44:02.199 --> 00:44:04.920
<v Speaker 1>two thousands, the murder of Betty Shanks was no longer

784
00:44:05.039 --> 00:44:08.480
<v Speaker 1>just a cold case. It was part of Queensland's history.

785
00:44:09.039 --> 00:44:12.519
<v Speaker 1>Generations of detectives had come and gone, each inheriting the

786
00:44:12.519 --> 00:44:15.679
<v Speaker 1>same box of evidence, the same unanswered questions, and the

787
00:44:15.679 --> 00:44:19.119
<v Speaker 1>same narrow window of time in which everything had gone wrong,

788
00:44:19.920 --> 00:44:26.000
<v Speaker 1>But what had changed was science. Advances in forensic technology

789
00:44:26.000 --> 00:44:30.440
<v Speaker 1>gave investigators something Earlier detectives never had the possibility that

790
00:44:30.480 --> 00:44:34.199
<v Speaker 1>microscopic traces left behind in nineteen fifty two might actually

791
00:44:34.239 --> 00:44:38.760
<v Speaker 1>still hold answers. Hair, skin, cells, blood, things that were

792
00:44:38.760 --> 00:44:44.719
<v Speaker 1>once invisible or unusable could now, in theory, identify a killer.

793
00:44:46.039 --> 00:44:49.559
<v Speaker 1>Cold case teams reviewed the evidence again, this time through

794
00:44:49.639 --> 00:44:52.920
<v Speaker 1>modern lens. Items you know had once been cataloged and

795
00:44:52.960 --> 00:44:56.159
<v Speaker 1>set aside were now being reexamined. Photographs were studied with

796
00:44:56.239 --> 00:45:00.480
<v Speaker 1>higher resolution. Old witness statements were re read with fresh eyes,

797
00:45:00.480 --> 00:45:05.280
<v Speaker 1>looking for inconsistencies or overlooked details, and there was renewed

798
00:45:05.320 --> 00:45:08.840
<v Speaker 1>focus on the idea that Betty had fought back to now.

799
00:45:08.840 --> 00:45:11.480
<v Speaker 1>She had been wearing silk gloves that night, which made

800
00:45:11.480 --> 00:45:14.400
<v Speaker 1>it very difficult to land any sort of defensive retaliation,

801
00:45:15.039 --> 00:45:18.599
<v Speaker 1>but investigators believe it was still possible she could have

802
00:45:18.679 --> 00:45:21.800
<v Speaker 1>scratched or grabbed her attacker during the struggle, and if

803
00:45:21.800 --> 00:45:25.320
<v Speaker 1>she did, even briefly, there was a chance she took

804
00:45:25.400 --> 00:45:29.800
<v Speaker 1>something with her some hair, some skin under her fingernails,

805
00:45:29.840 --> 00:45:33.480
<v Speaker 1>a smear of blood not her own. The challenge, however,

806
00:45:34.199 --> 00:45:38.079
<v Speaker 1>it was still time. Evidence handling in nineteen fifty two

807
00:45:38.239 --> 00:45:40.960
<v Speaker 1>was not what it was today. DNA was not preserved

808
00:45:40.960 --> 00:45:44.440
<v Speaker 1>intentionally because no one knew it would matter. Some items

809
00:45:44.440 --> 00:45:49.119
<v Speaker 1>were lost, others were contaminated, some simply degraded beyond usefulness.

810
00:45:49.920 --> 00:45:54.800
<v Speaker 1>Even when testing was possible, while results often came back inconclusive,

811
00:45:55.760 --> 00:45:59.119
<v Speaker 1>police also revisited old persons of interest. Some had already died,

812
00:45:59.480 --> 00:46:03.199
<v Speaker 1>others could no longer be located. In at least one case,

813
00:46:03.480 --> 00:46:08.400
<v Speaker 1>DNA comparisons were attempted decades later, but ruled out suspects

814
00:46:08.679 --> 00:46:14.480
<v Speaker 1>rather than identifying anyone. Despite these obstacles, investigators never fully

815
00:46:14.519 --> 00:46:18.920
<v Speaker 1>closed the door on Betty's case. Queensland Police have repeatedly

816
00:46:18.960 --> 00:46:22.760
<v Speaker 1>stated that Betty shanks murder remains an active cold case.

817
00:46:23.519 --> 00:46:26.920
<v Speaker 1>The fifty thousand dollars reward they put out still stands,

818
00:46:27.320 --> 00:46:31.239
<v Speaker 1>and authorities continue to believe that someone somewhere knows what happened,

819
00:46:31.320 --> 00:46:35.920
<v Speaker 1>or know something something small that could finally tip this

820
00:46:36.000 --> 00:46:40.559
<v Speaker 1>case forward. More than seventy years have passed and the

821
00:46:40.639 --> 00:46:44.519
<v Speaker 1>murder case of Betty Shanks is still ongoing. Yet no

822
00:46:44.519 --> 00:46:46.599
<v Speaker 1>one has ever been able to say with certainty why

823
00:46:46.639 --> 00:46:49.800
<v Speaker 1>Betty was attacked that night she was not robbed, she

824
00:46:49.880 --> 00:46:52.400
<v Speaker 1>was not sexually assaulted. For all we know, she was

825
00:46:52.440 --> 00:46:54.360
<v Speaker 1>not known to be in a relationship, nor did she

826
00:46:54.400 --> 00:46:58.360
<v Speaker 1>have any enemies. Nothing in her routine suggested risk, and

827
00:46:58.440 --> 00:47:02.199
<v Speaker 1>yet within minutes of stepping off that tram, she was

828
00:47:02.239 --> 00:47:05.679
<v Speaker 1>fighting for her life. The question of whether Betty was

829
00:47:05.719 --> 00:47:08.480
<v Speaker 1>targeted or simply crossed paths with the wrong person at

830
00:47:08.480 --> 00:47:13.119
<v Speaker 1>the wrong moment it remains unknown. The mysterious phone call

831
00:47:13.199 --> 00:47:15.360
<v Speaker 1>due days earlier. While it lingers as one of the

832
00:47:15.400 --> 00:47:18.880
<v Speaker 1>most unsettling details in the case, it is the only

833
00:47:19.000 --> 00:47:24.039
<v Speaker 1>confirmed disruption to Betty's otherwise steady, predictable life. Then there's

834
00:47:24.079 --> 00:47:27.159
<v Speaker 1>the man in the brown suit. Multiple witnesses saw him

835
00:47:27.199 --> 00:47:29.639
<v Speaker 1>pacing at the tram terminus that night, and a taxi

836
00:47:29.679 --> 00:47:32.519
<v Speaker 1>driver too later described picking up a bloodied man not

837
00:47:32.679 --> 00:47:35.920
<v Speaker 1>far from the scene of the crime. Police believe they're

838
00:47:35.960 --> 00:47:41.599
<v Speaker 1>the same person, but despite appeals, reconstructions, and decades of speculation,

839
00:47:42.639 --> 00:47:44.760
<v Speaker 1>we still do not know the identity of that man.

840
00:47:46.480 --> 00:47:50.440
<v Speaker 1>Every single unanswered question we have circles back to the

841
00:47:50.480 --> 00:47:54.440
<v Speaker 1>same narrow time span, the twelve minutes between nine thirty

842
00:47:54.440 --> 00:47:59.480
<v Speaker 1>eight and nine fifty three PM on an otherwise ordinary

843
00:47:59.480 --> 00:48:04.639
<v Speaker 1>Friday night. But regardless of what we don't know, it's

844
00:48:04.679 --> 00:48:09.199
<v Speaker 1>important to remember what we do know. Betty Shanks was

845
00:48:09.199 --> 00:48:14.199
<v Speaker 1>twenty two years old. She was intelligent, ambitious, and deeply

846
00:48:14.239 --> 00:48:18.440
<v Speaker 1>connected to her family. She had completed a university degree

847
00:48:18.480 --> 00:48:21.159
<v Speaker 1>at a time when higher education for women was still

848
00:48:21.199 --> 00:48:24.239
<v Speaker 1>so rare, and she was steadily carving out a career

849
00:48:24.679 --> 00:48:28.079
<v Speaker 1>in the public service. She lived at home, not out

850
00:48:28.119 --> 00:48:33.199
<v Speaker 1>of necessity but practicality, saving money, helping her parents, and

851
00:48:33.280 --> 00:48:37.440
<v Speaker 1>planning for a future that was still unfolding. Those who

852
00:48:37.519 --> 00:48:41.519
<v Speaker 1>knew her described her as kind, generous, and dependable. She

853
00:48:41.639 --> 00:48:44.960
<v Speaker 1>enjoyed going to the cinema, studying, and spending time with friends.

854
00:48:45.159 --> 00:48:48.320
<v Speaker 1>She had goals, she had momentum, and nothing about her

855
00:48:48.360 --> 00:48:52.519
<v Speaker 1>life suggested that she was nearing an abrupt end. In

856
00:48:52.559 --> 00:48:56.239
<v Speaker 1>the months before her death, Betty used her lottery winnings

857
00:48:56.480 --> 00:49:00.719
<v Speaker 1>not for extravagance but for her own family. She paid

858
00:49:00.719 --> 00:49:03.599
<v Speaker 1>off the mortgage of her parents home, she helped improve

859
00:49:03.639 --> 00:49:05.960
<v Speaker 1>the house that she grew up in, and she invested

860
00:49:06.000 --> 00:49:09.159
<v Speaker 1>in her own health. It was a quiet generosity that

861
00:49:09.199 --> 00:49:16.119
<v Speaker 1>reflected who she was, thoughtful, grounded, and forward looking. Everything

862
00:49:16.159 --> 00:49:19.880
<v Speaker 1>about who she was as a kind person is what

863
00:49:20.039 --> 00:49:25.119
<v Speaker 1>this season of Christmas is actually about now. This story

864
00:49:25.159 --> 00:49:28.000
<v Speaker 1>doesn't actually have anything to do with Christmas through the holidays,

865
00:49:28.000 --> 00:49:29.760
<v Speaker 1>but I did want to tell this story of Betty

866
00:49:29.760 --> 00:49:34.320
<v Speaker 1>Shank today because she embodies so much of what people

867
00:49:34.440 --> 00:49:39.519
<v Speaker 1>lose sight of in today's age. Betty, in all honesty,

868
00:49:39.599 --> 00:49:42.079
<v Speaker 1>can teach each and every single one of us something,

869
00:49:42.400 --> 00:49:44.320
<v Speaker 1>and in honor of her, I think it would be

870
00:49:44.360 --> 00:49:46.159
<v Speaker 1>nice if we try and learn from her to be

871
00:49:46.239 --> 00:49:49.400
<v Speaker 1>a bit kinder, to be a little less greedy, and

872
00:49:49.480 --> 00:49:53.599
<v Speaker 1>to better ourselves, not because it's required, but because we

873
00:49:53.719 --> 00:49:56.199
<v Speaker 1>want to. And the world could be a little better

874
00:49:56.360 --> 00:50:01.199
<v Speaker 1>because of it. For Betty's family, in there loss, there

875
00:50:01.239 --> 00:50:04.360
<v Speaker 1>was no trial or conviction. Her parents lived out the

876
00:50:04.440 --> 00:50:06.719
<v Speaker 1>rest of their lives without knowing who killed their daughter

877
00:50:06.840 --> 00:50:11.639
<v Speaker 1>or why. And for investigators, the case remains unfinished. The

878
00:50:11.719 --> 00:50:15.039
<v Speaker 1>reward still stands, the file is still open, and until

879
00:50:15.199 --> 00:50:19.199
<v Speaker 1>something changes in the case, Betty Shanks is remembered not

880
00:50:19.440 --> 00:50:22.320
<v Speaker 1>just as a victim of one of Queensland's oldest and

881
00:50:22.880 --> 00:50:26.280
<v Speaker 1>most unsolved murders in history, but instead also as a

882
00:50:26.320 --> 00:50:30.960
<v Speaker 1>young woman whose life mattered and still does. Her story

883
00:50:31.199 --> 00:50:35.679
<v Speaker 1>endures because it asks something of us, not as investigators,

884
00:50:35.679 --> 00:50:40.239
<v Speaker 1>but as people. It asks us to slow down, look

885
00:50:40.280 --> 00:50:46.880
<v Speaker 1>beyond ourselves, and to choose generosity over excess, kindness over convenience,

886
00:50:47.159 --> 00:50:52.039
<v Speaker 1>and empathy over indifference, not because it's the season that

887
00:50:52.079 --> 00:50:56.280
<v Speaker 1>demands it, but because people like Betty lived that way

888
00:50:56.360 --> 00:51:02.159
<v Speaker 1>quietly anyways, without any applause, at a time of year

889
00:51:02.239 --> 00:51:05.320
<v Speaker 1>meant for reflection. Her life reminds us that small acts

890
00:51:05.360 --> 00:51:09.199
<v Speaker 1>of kindness and care matter, that how we treat others,

891
00:51:09.280 --> 00:51:12.320
<v Speaker 1>even when no one is watching, leaves a mark far

892
00:51:12.360 --> 00:51:18.559
<v Speaker 1>more lasting than anything anyone can buy or accumulate. Somewhere,

893
00:51:19.239 --> 00:51:22.960
<v Speaker 1>the truth of those twelve minutes still exist. But even

894
00:51:22.960 --> 00:51:26.039
<v Speaker 1>before that truth may ever be found, the name Betty

895
00:51:26.119 --> 00:51:30.159
<v Speaker 1>Shanks still brightens the world, even though her own light

896
00:51:31.039 --> 00:51:36.559
<v Speaker 1>has gone out. And that's the story of Betty Shanks.

897
00:51:38.360 --> 00:51:46.320
<v Speaker 2>Well, shit, Ben, what that's like about to make me cry? Huh?

898
00:51:46.360 --> 00:51:48.679
<v Speaker 2>I feel like I'm obsessed with Betty, Like I love her.

899
00:51:48.880 --> 00:51:50.960
<v Speaker 1>She's our badass of the day. For sure. She was

900
00:51:51.239 --> 00:51:56.039
<v Speaker 1>a very inspiring individual. She was very caring, went above

901
00:51:56.079 --> 00:51:58.719
<v Speaker 1>and beyond when she didn't have to, and she was

902
00:51:58.800 --> 00:52:03.000
<v Speaker 1>taken away far too by an absolute monster in the dark.

903
00:52:03.239 --> 00:52:06.679
<v Speaker 2>Yeah at twenty two years old. Yeah, that is just

904
00:52:06.760 --> 00:52:09.880
<v Speaker 2>such a young life, and I just fricking hate saying this,

905
00:52:10.000 --> 00:52:13.480
<v Speaker 2>but I feel like, seventy years later, like what are

906
00:52:13.480 --> 00:52:17.320
<v Speaker 2>they going to find? Or you know, like it, Like

907
00:52:17.599 --> 00:52:21.000
<v Speaker 2>you had said earlier, if this had happened today, it

908
00:52:21.000 --> 00:52:23.800
<v Speaker 2>would be far easier probably to go about trying to

909
00:52:23.840 --> 00:52:25.840
<v Speaker 2>solve this. But the fact that it happened in nineteen

910
00:52:25.920 --> 00:52:28.360
<v Speaker 2>fifty two is no help.

911
00:52:28.639 --> 00:52:31.280
<v Speaker 1>Well, we can say that about almost any case, any

912
00:52:31.400 --> 00:52:33.880
<v Speaker 1>older case is going to be easier to solve today

913
00:52:33.920 --> 00:52:36.960
<v Speaker 1>if it happened today rather than you know, fifty, seventy,

914
00:52:37.079 --> 00:52:40.239
<v Speaker 1>eighty whatever years ago. But when you look at it

915
00:52:40.280 --> 00:52:43.760
<v Speaker 1>and you say, Okay, if only we had that knowledge

916
00:52:43.800 --> 00:52:46.760
<v Speaker 1>back then, because we have a bloody handprint, you know,

917
00:52:46.800 --> 00:52:50.519
<v Speaker 1>we have impressions from boots or things like that. If

918
00:52:50.679 --> 00:52:54.519
<v Speaker 1>only we knew not even to do the testing, but

919
00:52:54.559 --> 00:52:57.400
<v Speaker 1>to preserve it properly, that could make all the difference.

920
00:52:58.719 --> 00:53:03.239
<v Speaker 1>And it's unfortunate that in this case so far, nothing's

921
00:53:03.280 --> 00:53:07.239
<v Speaker 1>been preserved or done well enough to find who did

922
00:53:07.239 --> 00:53:07.679
<v Speaker 1>it today.

923
00:53:07.840 --> 00:53:11.199
<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's so long ago. The theories. Okay, at first,

924
00:53:11.199 --> 00:53:15.559
<v Speaker 2>when you were like this was a mistaken identity kind

925
00:53:15.559 --> 00:53:17.159
<v Speaker 2>of thing, I was like, oh my gosh, that makes

926
00:53:17.199 --> 00:53:19.280
<v Speaker 2>so much sense. But then there is that phone call,

927
00:53:19.360 --> 00:53:21.760
<v Speaker 2>right that is, if there wasn't that phone call, I

928
00:53:21.760 --> 00:53:24.280
<v Speaker 2>feel like that would it would just be like, yeah,

929
00:53:24.559 --> 00:53:27.199
<v Speaker 2>like really just shitty, wrong place, the wrong time kind

930
00:53:27.199 --> 00:53:27.440
<v Speaker 2>of thing.

931
00:53:27.760 --> 00:53:30.519
<v Speaker 1>But what if that phone call was maybe it was

932
00:53:30.519 --> 00:53:33.679
<v Speaker 1>her dad, Maybe they had a fight earlier that day,

933
00:53:34.079 --> 00:53:35.679
<v Speaker 1>the dad phoned at work. I just got to say,

934
00:53:35.880 --> 00:53:37.559
<v Speaker 1>you know what, you pissed me off when you did this,

935
00:53:37.639 --> 00:53:38.800
<v Speaker 1>and it upset Betty.

936
00:53:39.280 --> 00:53:40.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it could have been really nothing.

937
00:53:41.039 --> 00:53:42.880
<v Speaker 1>It could have been And then you know what, maybe

938
00:53:42.920 --> 00:53:45.079
<v Speaker 1>the dad forgot about it or whoever, and when they

939
00:53:45.119 --> 00:53:48.519
<v Speaker 1>talked about this phone call and inquired about it, the

940
00:53:48.840 --> 00:53:52.239
<v Speaker 1>dad doesn't remember calling her. And it could be a

941
00:53:52.280 --> 00:53:54.760
<v Speaker 1>mistaken identity in the phone call. Maybe it's even a

942
00:53:54.760 --> 00:53:57.679
<v Speaker 1>wrong number, or maybe it's someone who's calling the company,

943
00:53:58.320 --> 00:54:01.800
<v Speaker 1>not Betty and going off just so happens to be

944
00:54:01.800 --> 00:54:03.880
<v Speaker 1>Betty that they ended up getting on the line with.

945
00:54:04.519 --> 00:54:06.760
<v Speaker 1>Maybe it wasn't a targeted phone call after all.

946
00:54:07.440 --> 00:54:11.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, gosh. But also the person that had her picture

947
00:54:12.000 --> 00:54:14.119
<v Speaker 2>in a photo album is very alarming.

948
00:54:14.400 --> 00:54:17.159
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I have a feeling that was the dude. There

949
00:54:17.280 --> 00:54:19.480
<v Speaker 1>is a lot that lines up there.

950
00:54:19.519 --> 00:54:21.960
<v Speaker 2>And it's like, if only you'd listen to this daughter

951
00:54:22.519 --> 00:54:27.599
<v Speaker 2>in nineteen sixty then, or even early or ninebers or whatever,

952
00:54:27.639 --> 00:54:31.199
<v Speaker 2>while he was still alive. I mean something, maybe at

953
00:54:31.199 --> 00:54:33.119
<v Speaker 2>that point he would have been like, yeah, that was me.

954
00:54:33.559 --> 00:54:36.320
<v Speaker 1>Potentially, probably not, but maybe who knows.

955
00:54:36.559 --> 00:54:41.880
<v Speaker 2>But anyway, enough about all these these ridiculous men that

956
00:54:42.039 --> 00:54:45.039
<v Speaker 2>decided to friggin dim her life far too early. The

957
00:54:45.079 --> 00:54:47.440
<v Speaker 2>story is about her and how awesome she is.

958
00:54:47.519 --> 00:54:50.440
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, she's our badass of the day one hundred

959
00:54:50.559 --> 00:54:52.599
<v Speaker 1>and ten percent. I think we could all be a

960
00:54:52.639 --> 00:54:53.960
<v Speaker 1>little bit more like Betty.

961
00:54:54.039 --> 00:54:56.519
<v Speaker 2>No kidding, Well, yeah, the fact that she won all

962
00:54:56.559 --> 00:55:00.320
<v Speaker 2>this like who wins that kind of money and it

963
00:55:00.440 --> 00:55:03.320
<v Speaker 2>almost goes unnoticeable, really, you know when you do things

964
00:55:03.400 --> 00:55:06.320
<v Speaker 2>like pay off your your parents' mortgage. Because she could

965
00:55:06.320 --> 00:55:08.000
<v Speaker 2>have just went and gone and bought her own house.

966
00:55:08.159 --> 00:55:11.559
<v Speaker 2>That's true, very easily, right, So it's just like, holy crap,

967
00:55:11.639 --> 00:55:15.679
<v Speaker 2>she just and she made other people's lives be more

968
00:55:15.719 --> 00:55:18.480
<v Speaker 2>affected than her own with this money, which is saying

969
00:55:18.519 --> 00:55:19.400
<v Speaker 2>a lot that's true.

970
00:55:19.679 --> 00:55:24.519
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, anyways, sorry for throwing an unsolved case that

971
00:55:24.559 --> 00:55:27.039
<v Speaker 1>you hear just before Christmas.

972
00:55:26.519 --> 00:55:28.360
<v Speaker 2>And very Christmas to us.

973
00:55:28.440 --> 00:55:30.159
<v Speaker 1>When I was telling Nicole before we turn the MIC's

974
00:55:30.199 --> 00:55:32.280
<v Speaker 1>on that I was doing an unsolved case. She's like, oh,

975
00:55:32.280 --> 00:55:35.159
<v Speaker 1>thanks for the Christmas present, throwing me an unsolved case.

976
00:55:35.239 --> 00:55:38.599
<v Speaker 1>I was like, gee, but there's a reason I want

977
00:55:38.639 --> 00:55:41.079
<v Speaker 1>to talk about Betty for a reason. She deserves it.

978
00:55:41.639 --> 00:55:45.519
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, we'll forgive you eventually, Ben eventually.

979
00:55:46.280 --> 00:55:48.559
<v Speaker 1>Well, as a reminder, we're not gonna be throwing out

980
00:55:48.599 --> 00:55:51.519
<v Speaker 1>an episode this Friday, so we'll see you guys in

981
00:55:51.559 --> 00:55:55.719
<v Speaker 1>a week's time next Tuesday. In the meantime, hopefully you

982
00:55:55.719 --> 00:55:58.079
<v Speaker 1>guys have a great Christmas holiday. If you don't celebrate

983
00:55:58.079 --> 00:55:59.320
<v Speaker 1>any of that, you know what, I just hope you,

984
00:55:59.519 --> 00:56:02.320
<v Speaker 1>hope you have a week I hope you're doing great,

985
00:56:02.760 --> 00:56:06.119
<v Speaker 1>and we'll see you in a week's time and until

986
00:56:06.159 --> 00:56:08.880
<v Speaker 2>Then, stay wicked.
