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<v Speaker 1>All right, what's going on?

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<v Speaker 2>Drive time? Tuesday afternoon, about nine minutes past the hour

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<v Speaker 2>of two o'clock, winter has come calling. It is rainy,

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<v Speaker 2>it is snowy, It is cold here in downtown Salt

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<v Speaker 2>Lake City, Utah. A lot of snow off on the

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<v Speaker 2>east bench, a ton of snow up in the mountains.

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<v Speaker 2>Good for the snow bros. I always want to watch

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<v Speaker 2>out for the snow bros. Get in some chetta.

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<v Speaker 1>Nope, I'm not gonna do the snowbro impersonation today.

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<v Speaker 2>It's too early for that. It is the first storm

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<v Speaker 2>of the year, at least down to the benches when

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<v Speaker 2>you're kind of shoveling the walks a little bit. But

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<v Speaker 2>as it is every single day, it's gonna have you

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<v Speaker 2>along for the ride. Spence checkets beyond the mic. That's

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<v Speaker 2>Porter Larson behind the glass on this Tuesday afternoon. Your

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<v Speaker 2>weekend Pro football came to a closed last night with

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<v Speaker 2>a little Monday Night football. The Dolphins took care of

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<v Speaker 2>the rams, and now we're high speed ahead to week eleven,

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<v Speaker 2>which still feels pretty crazy down the stretch. For your

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<v Speaker 2>fantasy football seasons, you guys can playoff position. Well, if

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<v Speaker 2>you're not you better start getting to her.

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<v Speaker 1>Coming up Thursday night, it's gonna be the.

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<v Speaker 2>Command and the Eagles from Lincoln Financial Field. Jayden Daniels

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<v Speaker 2>taking on Jalen Hurts. Right now, Philly a three point

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<v Speaker 2>five point favorite. We're gonna do a little pro football

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<v Speaker 2>on the show today, look back on the week that was,

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<v Speaker 2>and look out to the week that will be. On

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<v Speaker 2>tuesdays of the week, the week, at least not our show.

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<v Speaker 2>We still kind of exist in the space of what

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<v Speaker 2>has happened, what just happened, as opposed to what's coming up,

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<v Speaker 2>what happens next. So he a little more Utah byu

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<v Speaker 2>rivalry game. I know a lot of people probably tired

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<v Speaker 2>of it. Interested to hear coach with tonight on the

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<v Speaker 2>Coaches Show right after we say goodnight at six o'clock.

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<v Speaker 2>Kyle looked and sounded very tired yesterday on a Monday morning,

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<v Speaker 2>which you would expect.

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<v Speaker 1>Kilani satake, on.

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<v Speaker 2>The other hand, for his media availability, very excited about

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<v Speaker 2>what could be next for his team. Now Tonight will

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<v Speaker 2>be the seconds reveal of the CFP poll, where will

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<v Speaker 2>BYU Land.

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<v Speaker 1>There's seven in the.

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<v Speaker 2>And as of now they're nine in the College Football

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<v Speaker 2>Pull I would imagine they move up Georgia loses, Miami loses.

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<v Speaker 2>BYU is one of four undefeated teams left, and I

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<v Speaker 2>believe one of three P four teams that are undefeated. Oregon,

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<v Speaker 2>Indiana and Brigham Young the three undefeated teams. I believe

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<v Speaker 2>Army is the fourth. So I would imagine they're going

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<v Speaker 2>to move up tonight. Maybe seven would be my guest.

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<v Speaker 2>I know BYU fans believe they should be higher, but

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<v Speaker 2>that's just kind of the deal with that fan base.

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<v Speaker 2>So you pad them on the head, say take care,

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<v Speaker 2>truck along, put your shoulder to the wheel. So we'll

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<v Speaker 2>find out tonight where BYU lands in the second Federation

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<v Speaker 2>of the CFP poll, and of course bring that to

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<v Speaker 2>you as it comes to us. So of course it's

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<v Speaker 2>a big day.

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone very excited.

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<v Speaker 2>You can feel the buzz in the market as tonight

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<v Speaker 2>is the triumphant return slash debut of the NBA Cup.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right, the Phoenix are in town to take on

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<v Speaker 2>the Utah Jazz. Kevin Durant will not play as he

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<v Speaker 2>has a calf injury, but this.

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<v Speaker 1>Is NBA Cup Group play. Guys.

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<v Speaker 2>I know you've been waiting for it for a while

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<v Speaker 2>it was called the play in Tournament a year ago,

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<v Speaker 2>the Emitanus NBA Cup. It's kind of like a soccer

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<v Speaker 2>European mid season tournament to try to give the players

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<v Speaker 2>more motivation to play during the regular season, which is

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<v Speaker 2>just going so well. Way to go, knock that out

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<v Speaker 2>of the park. NBA ratings are in the toilet right now.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of that is probably because we are simply

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<v Speaker 2>entrenched in football, both college and pro. But we'll do

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<v Speaker 2>some pro basketball on the show tonight. We're gonna do

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<v Speaker 2>some college basketball on the show as well, as we're

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<v Speaker 2>kind of making our way into college basketball season. It's

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<v Speaker 2>already started, and we'll do some Utah women's hoops with

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<v Speaker 2>Lynn Roberts today on the show. The Utah Men in

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<v Speaker 2>Action threight against Queen's College Baby, So a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>college basketball already kind of permeating BYU will play Queen's

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<v Speaker 2>tomorrow and then they have Idaho at home. They're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>start kind of seeing what they're all about when Old

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<v Speaker 2>Miss comes into town the day after Thanksgiving. Old misses

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<v Speaker 2>the top twenty five team, so a lot to get

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<v Speaker 2>to on the show today, latest with the rivalry game

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<v Speaker 2>folloout the comments of Mark Harlan that continue to be

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<v Speaker 2>heavily discussed both locally and nationally.

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<v Speaker 1>Getting you ready for a busy weekend in.

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<v Speaker 2>Pro and college football, NBA Cup, Utah Jazz Action. Tim

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<v Speaker 2>McMahon will join us right out of the gates from

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<v Speaker 2>ESPN for your NBA Daily assist, Max Chadwick Pro Football

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<v Speaker 2>Focus for some pro and college football aforementioned, Glynn Roberts

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<v Speaker 2>for some Utah women's hoops, and then our buddy, our

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<v Speaker 2>old producer JP, John Paul Chunga, who now is wearing

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<v Speaker 2>a bunch of different hats. He does a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>the podcasting over for the Utah Jazz Podcast Network.

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<v Speaker 1>He does the Utah Royals.

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<v Speaker 2>He's the voice of the Royals, and this season it

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<v Speaker 2>is the debut of JP as the voice of these

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<v Speaker 2>Salt Lake City Stars. So our guy is busy, bringaman

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<v Speaker 2>studio today to chat a little bit of everything quite

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<v Speaker 2>frankly on this to on this Tuesday afternoon. So Tim McMahon,

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<v Speaker 2>Max Chadwick, Lynn Roberts, J Peach Shanga, Me Spence checkets,

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<v Speaker 2>all of you the great listeners. And that guy Porter

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<v Speaker 2>Larson in a vest i took the vest off.

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<v Speaker 1>He's wearing a Milwaukee Beer sweatshirt.

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<v Speaker 2>But if it's cold and snowy outside, the vest is

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<v Speaker 2>a handy thing to have in your repertoire, you gotta

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<v Speaker 2>have it. Milwaukee power Tools, just to be very clear, Well,

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<v Speaker 2>there's a Milwaukee beer and that I think your power

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<v Speaker 2>tool company stole the Milwaukee beer kind of, Randy, I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>Know about that, but it'll look into it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's it's vest weather.

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<v Speaker 4>So glad it's wintertime kind of but looking forward to

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<v Speaker 4>the season, and as you mentioned, spent plenty to get

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<v Speaker 4>to today, still reacting to what was a holy war

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<v Speaker 4>that gave us fodder probably for weeks, months, however long

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<v Speaker 4>it may take UH and some some college football to

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<v Speaker 4>get to with the CFP rankings this afternoon, Jazz Basketball

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<v Speaker 4>Hockey Club, Little RSL, maybe some soccer with JP as well.

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<v Speaker 4>So we'll go all over the map on this wet

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<v Speaker 4>and somewhat snowy You bury the.

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<v Speaker 2>Lead, it's the NBA Cup today, it's the Emris NBA

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<v Speaker 2>League Cup.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I thought you're gonna spend the entirety of the

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<v Speaker 4>opening segment on that, so I wanted to leave the

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<v Speaker 4>big story of the day to you. Of course, the

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<v Speaker 4>defending champion Lakers in the NBA Cup.

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<v Speaker 2>Before Lebron nine straight elimination games, undefeated, according to win Horror.

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<v Speaker 2>So you go, my guys leaning into the propaganda so much.

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<v Speaker 2>God bless them. ESPN NBA's partner. Do what you gotta do,

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<v Speaker 2>But like, don't do that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not an elimination yet. It's not all right.

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<v Speaker 2>Tim McMahon will join us right out of the gates

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<v Speaker 2>to get you guys ready for the NBA Cup tonight.

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<v Speaker 1>The Suns are in town.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm now on a Tuesday for your opening tip.

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<v Speaker 6>Welcome to the Drive with Spence Check it's on Utah's

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<v Speaker 6>number one Sports talk. Now into the studio of ESPN

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<v Speaker 6>seven hundred to set the scene for the show.

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<v Speaker 1>The opening tip of the.

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<v Speaker 2>So Tuesday for us is still kind of a reactionary style.

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<v Speaker 2>When it comes to the show Wednesday, we kind of

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<v Speaker 2>start to turn the page about what's coming up as

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<v Speaker 2>far as this weekend and pro and college football, But

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<v Speaker 2>ultimately we're kind of still in the space where we're

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<v Speaker 2>looking back, kind of reflecting on what exactly happened on

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<v Speaker 2>Saturday night on a number of different levels, and yesterday

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<v Speaker 2>we kind of covered all of them. We talked about

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<v Speaker 2>the flow of the game, you know, we talked to

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<v Speaker 2>Scott Mitchell about what happened in the second half where

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<v Speaker 2>Utah just couldn't move the football.

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<v Speaker 1>There are some injury rumors out.

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<v Speaker 2>There, but because it has not been officially announced by

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<v Speaker 2>the U, I can't go with them. But if they're true,

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<v Speaker 2>two or three other pieces outside of bran Keithy were

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<v Speaker 2>lost for the season on Saturday against Brigham Young, making

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<v Speaker 2>the challenge the lies ahead even that much more difficult unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 2>but again, until they're actually announced by the school and

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<v Speaker 2>the athletic department. It's not necessarily something I feel comfortable

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<v Speaker 2>talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>If we get information, we'll bring it to you.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, we cover this thing from every single angle,

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<v Speaker 2>exactly how it went down, why it went down, special

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<v Speaker 2>teams touchdown allowed by the University of Utah, the controversial

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<v Speaker 2>fourth down holding call that extended the game, Klonie's time out,

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<v Speaker 2>you know that ultimately gave BYU another chance, and then landing.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, at the end of the day on the

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<v Speaker 2>comments that were made by Mark Harlin after the game,

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<v Speaker 2>the University of vut To athletic director saying the BYU

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<v Speaker 2>game was stolen from them. And we've talked about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Everybody's talked about it. It's not necessarily anything that I

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<v Speaker 2>want to dig into, and I don't think Mark should

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<v Speaker 2>continue to be hit over the head with it.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll repeat what I said yesterday.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know this because I've not talked to Mark,

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<v Speaker 2>but it was a surprising moment for a guy that,

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<v Speaker 2>in my experience with him over the past few years,

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<v Speaker 2>both on and off air, seems very smart, very measured,

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<v Speaker 2>very calculated, very careful, and it was the exact opposite

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<v Speaker 2>of all of those things. It was careless, it was emotional,

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<v Speaker 2>it was the wrong way to go about it, and honestly,

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<v Speaker 2>the first time I heard it, my first thought was

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<v Speaker 2>he's going to be in a lot of trouble because

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<v Speaker 2>of who Brett. Your Mark is the commissioner of the

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<v Speaker 2>Big Twelve, who is a Northeast sports and business executive,

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<v Speaker 2>who is a cutthroat guy. And so when I heard

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<v Speaker 2>the forty thousand dollars fine and the public reprimand I'll

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<v Speaker 2>be honest, I was relieved. I don't want to see

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<v Speaker 2>Mark loses his job, and all of you that are

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<v Speaker 2>calling for him to lose his job pump the breaks quote.

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<v Speaker 2>I've been an athletic director for twelve years. The game

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<v Speaker 2>was absolutely stolen from us. We were excited about being

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<v Speaker 2>in the Big Twelve. But tonight I am not we

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<v Speaker 2>won this game. Someone else stole it from us. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>very disappointed. I will talk to the commissioner. This is

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<v Speaker 2>not fair to our team. I'm disgusted by the professionalism

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<v Speaker 2>of the officiating crew tonight. Ultimately, my whole thing on

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<v Speaker 2>this is like what motivated Mark to do it in

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<v Speaker 2>the moment. Athletic directors don't typically talk after games. He

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<v Speaker 1>Right?

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<v Speaker 2>And there are probably several different scenarios. The most reductive

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<v Speaker 2>and simple one is he was mad and he was

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<v Speaker 2>those moments, those are the times. And this is not

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<v Speaker 2>a sport thing. This is just simply how you have

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<v Speaker 2>to roll if you want to exist in this little.

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<v Speaker 2>You want to be part of the simulation part of

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<v Speaker 2>to temper in the most heightened of emotions, like the

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<v Speaker 2>most destructive things. I certainly can you point to in

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like I've been wronged. Right, We all want

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<v Speaker 2>you should have some grace for that, because I'm sure

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<v Speaker 2>who amongst us has not had that emotional outburst and

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<v Speaker 2>emotional moment that has led to regret yours probably wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>on camera, right, but I'm sure you can relate to

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<v Speaker 2>it and probably wish that you had a mulligan. I

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<v Speaker 2>have several of those, and I'm sure Mark, as I

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<v Speaker 2>but without knowing this, my guess is Mark would very

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<v Speaker 2>much like it do over and would very much like

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<v Speaker 1>Now, that's not how life works.

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<v Speaker 2>And when you say or do certain things that are

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<v Speaker 2>out of line or not necessarily the way you should roll,

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<v Speaker 2>you pay for them, and sometimes you pay for them harshly,

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<v Speaker 2>and sometimes it takes a lot of time to come

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I can speak to that. Certainly.

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<v Speaker 2>Mark releases a statement the day after and after he

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<v Speaker 2>had spoken with bre your Mark. I'm sure the commissioner

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<v Speaker 2>gently encouraged Mark to release something, and I think the

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<v Speaker 2>statement fell short. He said quote last night, following our

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<v Speaker 2>game against BYU, I made clear my feelings related to

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<v Speaker 2>the game officiating. However, I recognize there are more appropriate

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<v Speaker 2>times and avenues to express those concerns, and I accept

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<v Speaker 2>the consequences of my decision. My comments came after having

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<v Speaker 2>just left our locker room where our student athletes were

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<v Speaker 2>hurting and upset.

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<v Speaker 1>University of Utah is proud to be.

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<v Speaker 2>A member of the Big Twelve Conference and we look

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<v Speaker 2>forward to working with our peers to continue to enhance

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<v Speaker 2>the league BYU Coach Ataki and their coaches and student

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<v Speaker 2>athletes are having a terrific, terrific season, and we wish

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<v Speaker 2>them the very best.

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<v Speaker 1>Fell short of the Mark no pun intended there.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, ultimately, it really is missing two words, and

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<v Speaker 2>that is I'm sorry. And I do have to wonder

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<v Speaker 2>where Taylor Randall is on this. I do have to

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<v Speaker 2>wonder where Booster's alumni and donors are on.

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<v Speaker 1>This, And I honestly don't know. I'm just wondering out loud.

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<v Speaker 2>I have no idea, Like I said the whole like

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<v Speaker 2>he should lose his job. Crowd all right, Like tell

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<v Speaker 2>me you don't really know how the world works. Without

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<v Speaker 2>telling me you don't know how the world works, Like

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<v Speaker 2>Mark has a good reputation from what I can tell,

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<v Speaker 2>I honestly can't speak to it. And by the way,

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<v Speaker 2>we didn't bring this on air yesterday, but this was

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<v Speaker 2>the statement of the Big Twelve the next day, after

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<v Speaker 2>deciding how they were going to roll, he said quote,

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<v Speaker 2>and I don't know if this is the commissioner.

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<v Speaker 1>This is simply from the Big Twelve quote.

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<v Speaker 2>Mark's comments irresponsibly challenged the professionalism of our officials and

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<v Speaker 2>the integrity of the Big Twelve Conference.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a right way and a wrong way to voice concerns.

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<v Speaker 2>Unfortunately, Mark chose the wrong way accordingly, in violation, warrants,

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<v Speaker 2>a public reprimand, and a financial penalty found out that

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<v Speaker 2>was forty thousand dollars. The Big Twelve Conference prioritizes professionalism, integrity,

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<v Speaker 2>in fairness and will continue will continue to do so.

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<v Speaker 1>Excuse me.

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<v Speaker 2>And there's some language in there that indicates the portion

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<v Speaker 2>of Mark's comments that most set Brett your Mark off,

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<v Speaker 2>and that is basically challenging the professionalism and therefore the

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<v Speaker 2>integrity of the officials and then tying those criticisms directly

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<v Speaker 2>to the Big Twelve Conference, because then you're trying to

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<v Speaker 2>undermine the conference, and then you're going to run foul

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<v Speaker 2>of the commissioner and again a guy who is just

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<v Speaker 2>simply no nonsense. And so those essentially are the dynamics

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<v Speaker 2>of this thing that I think really irk the Big

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<v Speaker 2>Twelve the most. And like I said, I honestly thought

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<v Speaker 2>it was gonna be worse. When I saw the news

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<v Speaker 2>as far as what they had decided to do, I

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<v Speaker 2>was relieved because I thought Mark was going to be

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of trouble. But as we look back on

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<v Speaker 2>this game, you know, it's funny. As the years pass

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<v Speaker 2>and you have the emotional look back on Utah BYU

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<v Speaker 2>football games, you only need to say, like one name.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, you know, doink.

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<v Speaker 2>Off the crossbar block kicks Brandon Burton, Beck to Harling. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>you can be reductive, Scott Mitchell, Eddie Johnson, you can

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<v Speaker 2>be reductive of a lot of these games and call

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<v Speaker 2>them the Brandon Burton block game, right, the Brett Ratliffe

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<v Speaker 2>holy bleep game.

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<v Speaker 1>In ten years, this is going to be the Mark

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<v Speaker 1>Harling game.

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<v Speaker 2>And of course people will talk about the holding penalty

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<v Speaker 2>and the controversial, you know allowance for Brigham Young to

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<v Speaker 2>have another shot to move down the field, which to

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<v Speaker 2>their credit, they did and kick the game winning field goal.

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<v Speaker 2>But as this thing kind of continues to permeate throughout

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<v Speaker 2>both local and national college football news, like everybody is

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<v Speaker 2>chiming in on this. Terry McAuley, an official ex official,

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<v Speaker 2>chimed in on it and essentially said it's a foul

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<v Speaker 2>period end of story. Joe Klatt has a more nuanced

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<v Speaker 2>look at it and thinks there's a lot to be

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<v Speaker 2>upset about when it comes to the lack of consistency

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<v Speaker 2>as far as how the game was called, and brings

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<v Speaker 2>up the fact that Jake Rht's laugh wasn't even looking

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<v Speaker 2>in the direction of the receiver and it was not

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<v Speaker 2>your Maane to the outcome of the play, and Jake

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<v Speaker 1>Anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>There are a lot of different takes on that, but

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<v Speaker 2>it seems like the take on what Marquet to say

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<v Speaker 2>after the game is pretty unanimous. And I do think

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<v Speaker 2>whether he meant to do it or not, he has

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<v Speaker 2>now stamped his name in BYU Utah history and he

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<v Speaker 2>will look back, you know, we will look back on

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<v Speaker 6>Next on the Drive, Tim McMahon dropping dimes for your

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<v Speaker 7>Van McMahon, Van mcman batted a Land, Texas flood as

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<v Speaker 8>Van McMahon, Vancman, the man, the.

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<v Speaker 2>Rain and the snow coming down rather heavily in Salt

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<v Speaker 1>It is chilly, it is cold. Well, I'll tell you what.

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<v Speaker 1>It's only gonna be hot downtown tonight. See what I

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<v Speaker 1>did there.

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<v Speaker 2>League's cop Baby. The NBA Cup starts tonight. Group play

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<v Speaker 2>The Phoenix Suns are in town. An NBA up enthusiasts

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<v Speaker 2>and great overall guy and rider. Tim mcmanon is our

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<v Speaker 2>guest on a Tuesday. Hello Tim, how are you, sir

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<v Speaker 2>gowdy partner?

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<v Speaker 9>I am doing all right. I am outside looking over

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<v Speaker 9>the bay here in San Francisco. Nice a little bit

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<v Speaker 9>of a chillney air, but nice sunny day. Some boats

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<v Speaker 9>in the water, none that have Craig Thompson as captain.

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<v Speaker 9>But here we go.

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<v Speaker 2>So you are in an area where there's actually an

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<v Speaker 2>interesting game tonight. We'll get there in a moment, but

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<v Speaker 2>before we start, what should our listeners know, Tim about

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<v Speaker 2>the newly branded NBA Cup.

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<v Speaker 1>Last year it was the playing tournament.

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<v Speaker 2>The group play starts tonight and the Sons are in

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<v Speaker 2>town to play the Jazz.

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<v Speaker 9>The n season tournament. Last year, the play in tournament's

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<v Speaker 9>a whole separate deal in season Jazz after the Jazz

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<v Speaker 9>have tried very hard to avoid the playing tournament the

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<v Speaker 9>last years. I don't think that'll be such a problem

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<v Speaker 9>this year. I mean, you know, same concept, new courts,

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<v Speaker 9>you know, new new sponsor, and what is it I

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<v Speaker 9>mean to pronounce it, To be honest with you, I

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<v Speaker 9>think that might be right. Well, Dan, I guess I

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<v Speaker 9>didn't know how to pronounce it. Oh well, I'll tell

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<v Speaker 9>you what. By the end of this NBA Cup season,

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<v Speaker 9>I certainly will know. And so that's that's marketing do

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<v Speaker 9>and it's it's best. But you know, hey, five hundred

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<v Speaker 9>and grand on the line per player for teams that

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<v Speaker 9>win the whole tame. But you know, I actually like

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<v Speaker 9>the concept because it does give a little something different

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<v Speaker 9>during the season. But it's not completely outside of the

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<v Speaker 9>regular season. Obviously, until the championship game. All these games

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<v Speaker 9>count towards the regular season standing, so you can't have

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<v Speaker 9>teams just decide to kind of punt these. It's funny though,

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<v Speaker 9>because I mentor or I was talking to one of

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<v Speaker 9>the Magic staffer's day and they kind of mentioned they said, yeah,

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<v Speaker 9>the one of the best things that happened for us

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<v Speaker 9>last year was we didn't make it to Vegas in

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<v Speaker 9>the a in season Tourney, and their two replacement games

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<v Speaker 9>or filling angel, well, you know whatever, the two games

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<v Speaker 9>that you get they played the Trailblazers in the Jazz

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<v Speaker 9>last year and were able to win those was pretty significantly.

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<v Speaker 9>So it is a little confusing when you look at

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<v Speaker 9>this at the schedule, whether for the whole league or

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<v Speaker 9>just for teams and there's kind of a gap of

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<v Speaker 9>TBD there in the middle of December.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I don't care how much money you make.

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<v Speaker 2>Five hundred k is not nothing. But I wonder in

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<v Speaker 2>your conversations throughout the league, players, coaches, front office exacts,

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<v Speaker 2>is there genuine excitement for this thing?

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<v Speaker 1>Do they feel like it's being forced upon them?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, what's kind of the feeling around the NBA

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<v Speaker 9>I haven't heard a lot of complaining about it. I

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<v Speaker 9>don't know if there's just a ton of excitement, you know,

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<v Speaker 9>like five hundred grand in a trip to Vegas. I

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<v Speaker 9>think all NBA players like both of those things, so

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<v Speaker 9>they prefer to win it than not. But I don't

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<v Speaker 9>get the sense of it's like something that I don't

424
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<v Speaker 9>know that they're like circling these games on their calendars. Oh,

425
00:21:05.799 --> 00:21:08.160
<v Speaker 9>these are NBA Cup games, and you know, there's been

426
00:21:08.160 --> 00:21:11.039
<v Speaker 9>a whole lot of sextra motivation. But like I said, also,

427
00:21:11.640 --> 00:21:14.000
<v Speaker 9>i've not heard any any real complaint. There was some

428
00:21:14.160 --> 00:21:18.160
<v Speaker 9>grip in last year about the courts. You know, they're

429
00:21:18.200 --> 00:21:20.319
<v Speaker 9>they're not quite as loud, But like we'll see if

430
00:21:20.359 --> 00:21:25.839
<v Speaker 9>there's issues as far as uh, you know, the the

431
00:21:26.039 --> 00:21:28.319
<v Speaker 9>surface well you know what they're slipping and those sorts

432
00:21:28.319 --> 00:21:30.519
<v Speaker 9>of things. But honestly, those are the only complaints that

433
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<v Speaker 9>I heard was that the courts from the courts were

434
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<v Speaker 9>go slippery last year.

435
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<v Speaker 2>Okay, well, I mean, I mean, look, the bottom line is,

436
00:21:38.319 --> 00:21:41.119
<v Speaker 2>and we'll move on from the NBA Cup after this.

437
00:21:41.440 --> 00:21:45.759
<v Speaker 2>Like this is something that pro basketball, in my opinion,

438
00:21:45.759 --> 00:21:48.400
<v Speaker 2>has always been very good at, and that is being

439
00:21:48.519 --> 00:21:51.599
<v Speaker 2>willing to look at dynamics and try new things and

440
00:21:51.839 --> 00:21:55.880
<v Speaker 2>see if they stick. And and this is essentially isn't

441
00:21:55.880 --> 00:21:56.839
<v Speaker 2>this Adams Baby.

442
00:21:56.880 --> 00:21:58.160
<v Speaker 1>Isn't this Adam Silver's thing?

443
00:21:58.240 --> 00:22:00.519
<v Speaker 2>Like this is one of the things that he kind

444
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<v Speaker 2>of talked about very early on as really a copy

445
00:22:03.920 --> 00:22:06.599
<v Speaker 2>of the European soccer model, the FA Cup and such,

446
00:22:06.599 --> 00:22:08.000
<v Speaker 2>which I know you're a big fan of.

447
00:22:08.079 --> 00:22:09.440
<v Speaker 1>But this is to me, this is.

448
00:22:09.440 --> 00:22:12.359
<v Speaker 2>One cool Well it's one of the cool things about

449
00:22:12.359 --> 00:22:14.559
<v Speaker 2>the NBA. They're willing to kind of try these different

450
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<v Speaker 2>things and kind of see if they work.

451
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<v Speaker 9>No, this is definitely an Adam Silver creation. I thought

452
00:22:22.079 --> 00:22:24.839
<v Speaker 9>the courts last year actually were a very sharp marketing

453
00:22:26.480 --> 00:22:29.680
<v Speaker 9>tactic because hey, it got people those courts got people

454
00:22:29.680 --> 00:22:31.920
<v Speaker 9>talking about the NBA during the middle of football season,

455
00:22:32.119 --> 00:22:35.000
<v Speaker 9>and that's not always the easiest thing to do. And

456
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<v Speaker 9>then you know, last year the semi finals and finals

457
00:22:39.720 --> 00:22:43.640
<v Speaker 9>were rating success and for being honest though, they also

458
00:22:43.680 --> 00:22:46.160
<v Speaker 9>got extremely and there was a success in terms of

459
00:22:46.200 --> 00:22:48.519
<v Speaker 9>like the arena being full of all that. They got

460
00:22:48.559 --> 00:22:52.000
<v Speaker 9>extremely lucky that the Lakers just happened to win the

461
00:22:52.039 --> 00:22:54.119
<v Speaker 9>first one of these. And you know, if the Lakers

462
00:22:54.119 --> 00:22:56.559
<v Speaker 9>don't make it and it's you know, the Phoenix Suns,

463
00:22:56.599 --> 00:22:59.799
<v Speaker 9>they're the Denver Nuggets. I think it could be a

464
00:22:59.880 --> 00:23:01.960
<v Speaker 9>very different field this year. But we'll see.

465
00:23:03.240 --> 00:23:06.240
<v Speaker 2>So let's move over, excuse me, let's move over to

466
00:23:06.279 --> 00:23:09.400
<v Speaker 2>where you're at tonight bike rides with Balkan music. Tim,

467
00:23:09.440 --> 00:23:11.759
<v Speaker 2>I didn't expect to wake up and see Tim mcmhon

468
00:23:11.799 --> 00:23:15.519
<v Speaker 2>story referencing Balkan music. And you wrote about Clay and

469
00:23:15.559 --> 00:23:18.920
<v Speaker 2>Clay is back in the Bay to see the Warriors

470
00:23:18.920 --> 00:23:20.839
<v Speaker 2>for the first time. So we'll get to the jazz

471
00:23:20.880 --> 00:23:23.119
<v Speaker 2>in a minute, but this is far more interesting for

472
00:23:23.200 --> 00:23:24.240
<v Speaker 2>basketball fans.

473
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<v Speaker 1>Tell us about, you know, kind of.

474
00:23:26.319 --> 00:23:28.799
<v Speaker 2>The story you wrote, and then ultimately where Clay's head

475
00:23:28.880 --> 00:23:31.160
<v Speaker 2>is at as he gets gets ready to play his

476
00:23:31.200 --> 00:23:32.279
<v Speaker 2>old team Tonight in the Bay.

477
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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, as a Dallas based NBA writer, I've actually become

478
00:23:36.759 --> 00:23:40.519
<v Speaker 9>pretty familiar with Balkan music. I'm a guy, you know,

479
00:23:40.599 --> 00:23:42.880
<v Speaker 9>Luca likes his Balkan music, and when he comes out

480
00:23:42.880 --> 00:23:45.799
<v Speaker 9>to warm up, that's what's playing on the American Airlines centers.

481
00:23:45.799 --> 00:23:48.119
<v Speaker 9>About five minutes into Clay Thompson the barnlopt so, you know,

482
00:23:48.279 --> 00:23:52.240
<v Speaker 9>just kind of an example of adjustment to Clay's making.

483
00:23:53.440 --> 00:23:55.640
<v Speaker 9>He does he did not bring a boat to Dallas.

484
00:23:55.680 --> 00:23:57.079
<v Speaker 9>You know, I didn't have a boat. Doctor one of

485
00:23:57.079 --> 00:23:59.039
<v Speaker 9>the lakes. He takes his you know, he goes on

486
00:23:59.079 --> 00:24:01.359
<v Speaker 9>the occasional bike to get a little look at the water.

487
00:24:01.480 --> 00:24:04.920
<v Speaker 9>But that's that. And you know, the since I really

488
00:24:05.000 --> 00:24:06.839
<v Speaker 9>get from Clay. I talked to him a little while

489
00:24:06.880 --> 00:24:08.880
<v Speaker 9>with that story and just kind of haven't been around

490
00:24:08.920 --> 00:24:12.599
<v Speaker 9>him so far this season is he does not want

491
00:24:12.640 --> 00:24:16.400
<v Speaker 9>everything to be about him being the former Warrior Klay Thompson.

492
00:24:16.839 --> 00:24:19.160
<v Speaker 9>You know, he wants it to be about a starter

493
00:24:19.279 --> 00:24:21.359
<v Speaker 9>for a team that thinks it can be a contender.

494
00:24:22.240 --> 00:24:24.319
<v Speaker 9>He's very focused on now and like you know that

495
00:24:24.440 --> 00:24:28.119
<v Speaker 9>a night in Denver, he was asked about, Hey, you

496
00:24:28.160 --> 00:24:30.079
<v Speaker 9>know what, you know, what does this mean for you,

497
00:24:30.079 --> 00:24:33.200
<v Speaker 9>and he basically he said, I just to it's you know,

498
00:24:33.200 --> 00:24:35.160
<v Speaker 9>it'd be cool to see people, but it's really just

499
00:24:35.160 --> 00:24:39.079
<v Speaker 9>another regular season game November. And then he kind of admitted, Okay,

500
00:24:39.200 --> 00:24:42.359
<v Speaker 9>you know there's a little something extra here. It's an

501
00:24:42.440 --> 00:24:45.720
<v Speaker 9>NBA Cup opener. I mean, like, come on, So he's

502
00:24:45.799 --> 00:24:48.319
<v Speaker 9>really trying to put you know, put up the stoic face.

503
00:24:50.160 --> 00:24:52.880
<v Speaker 9>Didn't talk to media after practice here yesterday or after

504
00:24:52.920 --> 00:24:56.960
<v Speaker 9>shoot around, like he's trying not to feed into all

505
00:24:57.000 --> 00:24:58.920
<v Speaker 9>the pomp and circumstances. And there's going to be a

506
00:24:58.960 --> 00:25:00.720
<v Speaker 9>lot of it. You know, they've got these captain Clay

507
00:25:00.759 --> 00:25:03.400
<v Speaker 9>had given out. Steph curR is going to make a

508
00:25:03.440 --> 00:25:06.119
<v Speaker 9>speech at the mid court. They're all gonna, you know,

509
00:25:06.200 --> 00:25:08.839
<v Speaker 9>tip their caps to them, like the whole crowd. There's

510
00:25:08.880 --> 00:25:11.920
<v Speaker 9>gonna be a video. And the people with the Warriors

511
00:25:11.920 --> 00:25:14.319
<v Speaker 9>that obviously know Clay very welcome over the year, they

512
00:25:14.319 --> 00:25:16.599
<v Speaker 9>think he'll crack. They think Clay is going to shed

513
00:25:16.599 --> 00:25:21.519
<v Speaker 9>a tear. But it is certainly his goal to just

514
00:25:21.640 --> 00:25:24.200
<v Speaker 9>be focused on hoopon the night and you know, we'll

515
00:25:24.200 --> 00:25:24.960
<v Speaker 9>see how that goes.

516
00:25:25.799 --> 00:25:28.240
<v Speaker 2>And this is always interesting to me because look, I mean,

517
00:25:28.279 --> 00:25:31.319
<v Speaker 2>he won four rings there and he went from you know,

518
00:25:31.359 --> 00:25:34.200
<v Speaker 2>a late lottery maybe a decent spot up shooter to

519
00:25:34.240 --> 00:25:36.680
<v Speaker 2>one of potentially, not potentially, one of the greatest shooters

520
00:25:36.720 --> 00:25:40.720
<v Speaker 2>the game's ever seen. Like when Clay Thompson is in Springfield,

521
00:25:40.839 --> 00:25:43.079
<v Speaker 2>he will have a Warrior jersey on, There's no doubt

522
00:25:43.079 --> 00:25:47.480
<v Speaker 2>about it. But ultimately, you know, you heard rumors like, well,

523
00:25:47.519 --> 00:25:50.119
<v Speaker 2>maybe the Warriors are still interested in running it back

524
00:25:50.279 --> 00:25:53.200
<v Speaker 2>one more time and until Steph decides he's done with Clay,

525
00:25:53.200 --> 00:25:55.799
<v Speaker 2>Clay comes back, and then you heard, you know, his

526
00:25:55.880 --> 00:25:58.319
<v Speaker 2>dad made these comments about wanting him to be a Laker,

527
00:25:58.359 --> 00:26:00.240
<v Speaker 2>and we know that that's where Clay grew up.

528
00:26:00.480 --> 00:26:04.000
<v Speaker 1>Ultimately, what landed Klay Thompson on Dallas him.

529
00:26:04.799 --> 00:26:07.400
<v Speaker 9>Or Clay decided that he was going to go ahead

530
00:26:07.400 --> 00:26:09.480
<v Speaker 9>and be the one who called at his time and

531
00:26:10.359 --> 00:26:14.359
<v Speaker 9>the Bay was done. And look, they had the extension

532
00:26:14.400 --> 00:26:17.240
<v Speaker 9>talks before last season. Two years forty seven million was

533
00:26:17.240 --> 00:26:20.079
<v Speaker 9>what was being discussed. Whether it was put on the

534
00:26:20.119 --> 00:26:21.799
<v Speaker 9>table or not, I guess kind of depends on who

535
00:26:21.799 --> 00:26:23.960
<v Speaker 9>you asked, But it wasn't the deal that he was

536
00:26:24.000 --> 00:26:26.559
<v Speaker 9>going to take. You know, Draymond got four years, one hundred.

537
00:26:26.359 --> 00:26:28.200
<v Speaker 9>He didn't feel like they were making the same kind

538
00:26:28.240 --> 00:26:31.720
<v Speaker 9>of commitment to him that they had to Draymond, that

539
00:26:31.799 --> 00:26:34.880
<v Speaker 9>they had even to Andrew Wiggins. So last year there's

540
00:26:34.960 --> 00:26:37.319
<v Speaker 9>like this black cloud hoping over in the whole time,

541
00:26:37.359 --> 00:26:42.440
<v Speaker 9>he felt the weight of knowing in his heart it

542
00:26:42.519 --> 00:26:44.839
<v Speaker 9>was probably going to be his last year. And then

543
00:26:45.200 --> 00:26:47.359
<v Speaker 9>I think there was a little crack there, and then

544
00:26:47.400 --> 00:26:49.839
<v Speaker 9>they prioritized trying to get like a Paul George signed

545
00:26:49.880 --> 00:26:52.039
<v Speaker 9>trade down his bas like, if I'm not the priority,

546
00:26:52.559 --> 00:26:56.519
<v Speaker 9>I'm out. And then for him it became okay, where

547
00:26:56.559 --> 00:26:58.960
<v Speaker 9>do I have the best chance to win a championship?

548
00:26:59.000 --> 00:27:01.960
<v Speaker 9>And he felt like, especially watching the Mavericks in the finals,

549
00:27:02.400 --> 00:27:05.160
<v Speaker 9>where their lack of three point shooting alongside their stars

550
00:27:05.240 --> 00:27:07.559
<v Speaker 9>really bit them the butt, he felt like he could

551
00:27:07.559 --> 00:27:10.039
<v Speaker 9>come and be kind of that, you know, that last

552
00:27:10.119 --> 00:27:13.440
<v Speaker 9>piece that the Mavericks needed, and we'll see how that goes.

553
00:27:13.480 --> 00:27:17.480
<v Speaker 9>But he does not want to be a chem Olajaan

554
00:27:17.559 --> 00:27:20.880
<v Speaker 9>in a Toronto Raptors uniform, right He wants this last

555
00:27:20.920 --> 00:27:24.599
<v Speaker 9>chapter of his career to be meaningful, to be competitive,

556
00:27:25.039 --> 00:27:27.400
<v Speaker 9>and he thought Dallas was the best spot for him

557
00:27:27.440 --> 00:27:27.799
<v Speaker 9>do that.

558
00:27:28.440 --> 00:27:31.119
<v Speaker 2>So, drawing any conclusion of this league after ten games

559
00:27:31.119 --> 00:27:33.519
<v Speaker 2>as a fool's errand but Dallas after going to the

560
00:27:33.559 --> 00:27:35.839
<v Speaker 2>finals last year and a lot of people's picked to

561
00:27:35.920 --> 00:27:39.880
<v Speaker 2>potentially represent the West again. Oka, see just lost Chad.

562
00:27:39.920 --> 00:27:41.680
<v Speaker 2>We'll get there in a moment. But they are five

563
00:27:41.720 --> 00:27:44.839
<v Speaker 2>and five, they're five hundred. So how's the Clay experience

564
00:27:44.880 --> 00:27:46.640
<v Speaker 2>god so far in Dallas.

565
00:27:47.000 --> 00:27:49.319
<v Speaker 9>You know, it started out really well. I mean, he

566
00:27:49.359 --> 00:27:52.039
<v Speaker 9>really shot on the first few games. It's been a

567
00:27:52.039 --> 00:27:54.400
<v Speaker 9>little bit bumpy since then. You know, like you said

568
00:27:54.440 --> 00:27:56.440
<v Speaker 9>to me, Jerk after ten games would be a little

569
00:27:56.480 --> 00:27:58.519
<v Speaker 9>bit silly. And but the simple fact of the matter

570
00:27:58.640 --> 00:28:01.680
<v Speaker 9>is we've yet to see Luca play at the level

571
00:28:01.680 --> 00:28:04.240
<v Speaker 9>that we're accustomed to from him, which is, you know,

572
00:28:05.440 --> 00:28:08.599
<v Speaker 9>firmly in the MVP conversation, he's not been that guy.

573
00:28:09.400 --> 00:28:11.720
<v Speaker 9>And you know, when Luke's playing at that level, everything

574
00:28:11.720 --> 00:28:15.440
<v Speaker 9>else looks a whole lot better. And so I think

575
00:28:15.480 --> 00:28:17.759
<v Speaker 9>if you talk about what's not been right with the Mavericks,

576
00:28:17.799 --> 00:28:20.920
<v Speaker 9>I think you start with lucas yet to play, you know,

577
00:28:21.079 --> 00:28:24.039
<v Speaker 9>to the standard that he has set. And then you know,

578
00:28:24.720 --> 00:28:27.359
<v Speaker 9>they're five and five. Now, Derek Lively missed the last

579
00:28:27.359 --> 00:28:30.279
<v Speaker 9>four games of Ust. Three of those four he's back tonight.

580
00:28:30.319 --> 00:28:34.279
<v Speaker 9>That's another major piece. You know, I guess I'm spending

581
00:28:34.279 --> 00:28:35.799
<v Speaker 9>a whole lot of words here to say that I

582
00:28:35.799 --> 00:28:37.640
<v Speaker 9>think Madix will very much be in the thick of

583
00:28:37.720 --> 00:28:38.640
<v Speaker 9>things come April.

584
00:28:38.960 --> 00:28:39.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I agree with that.

585
00:28:40.000 --> 00:28:41.599
<v Speaker 2>I mean, Luca is just too good, and I'm sure

586
00:28:41.640 --> 00:28:43.440
<v Speaker 2>he'll coast and then he's turn it on, you know

587
00:28:43.559 --> 00:28:45.440
<v Speaker 2>the way that we've seen him, do they They do

588
00:28:45.480 --> 00:28:48.119
<v Speaker 2>see a warrior team tim at a start of the

589
00:28:48.160 --> 00:28:50.359
<v Speaker 2>year eight and two, and they have the second best

590
00:28:50.440 --> 00:28:53.039
<v Speaker 2>net in the West and Steve is playing like twelve

591
00:28:53.119 --> 00:28:56.799
<v Speaker 2>dudes every night. What has Golden State figured out early

592
00:28:56.839 --> 00:28:58.880
<v Speaker 2>on on what's Dallas up against tonight?

593
00:29:00.119 --> 00:29:02.519
<v Speaker 9>Well, and you know the amazing thing is they did

594
00:29:02.559 --> 00:29:05.720
<v Speaker 9>that with Stephnu's in a handful of games. You know,

595
00:29:05.799 --> 00:29:08.559
<v Speaker 9>when he had the forgot what fancy term they use

596
00:29:08.640 --> 00:29:11.240
<v Speaker 9>for the ankle area, but you know he had that

597
00:29:11.440 --> 00:29:14.079
<v Speaker 9>entry and man like, you got to give Mike Dunley

598
00:29:14.279 --> 00:29:17.240
<v Speaker 9>some credit for the way that they kind of pivoted

599
00:29:17.240 --> 00:29:20.000
<v Speaker 9>this offseason. You know, no one claims out the door

600
00:29:20.319 --> 00:29:23.599
<v Speaker 9>they weren't able to get the Paul Georgis thing to obviously,

601
00:29:23.640 --> 00:29:27.000
<v Speaker 9>they're the conversations with the jazzbel Larry markin and never

602
00:29:27.039 --> 00:29:30.759
<v Speaker 9>really picked up any kind of steam. But to bring

603
00:29:30.799 --> 00:29:35.000
<v Speaker 9>in Buddy Heald, who has been absolutely phenomenal for them.

604
00:29:35.079 --> 00:29:37.680
<v Speaker 9>You know, Dancony Melton when he's healthy, really helps them.

605
00:29:37.759 --> 00:29:40.759
<v Speaker 9>Kyle Anderson has been a contributor. And then look when

606
00:29:40.799 --> 00:29:43.359
<v Speaker 9>Draymond was on the court last year, the Warriors were

607
00:29:43.359 --> 00:29:48.039
<v Speaker 9>pretty damn good. He just because of his own stupidity,

608
00:29:48.079 --> 00:29:50.400
<v Speaker 9>missed a bunch of games last year. And so you know,

609
00:29:50.480 --> 00:29:53.240
<v Speaker 9>I don't know if I think it's a little bit

610
00:29:53.240 --> 00:29:55.400
<v Speaker 9>early to say that the Warriors will be contenders in

611
00:29:55.440 --> 00:29:58.119
<v Speaker 9>the West, but I don't think we can loule out

612
00:29:58.160 --> 00:29:59.759
<v Speaker 9>that possibility.

613
00:30:00.119 --> 00:30:01.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and again super early.

614
00:30:01.799 --> 00:30:04.200
<v Speaker 2>All right, let's start with the opponent tonight for the

615
00:30:04.279 --> 00:30:07.880
<v Speaker 2>Jazz as the Sun's rolling to town playing good basketball

616
00:30:07.880 --> 00:30:09.839
<v Speaker 2>at eating too. But Durant I think is out. He's

617
00:30:09.839 --> 00:30:11.400
<v Speaker 2>definitely out tonight. I think he's out for a couple

618
00:30:11.440 --> 00:30:13.880
<v Speaker 2>of weeks with the CAF strain. Yeah, so obviously that

619
00:30:14.000 --> 00:30:16.240
<v Speaker 2>changes who they are. But what should Jazz fans know?

620
00:30:16.680 --> 00:30:18.759
<v Speaker 2>Because these days a lot of fans are going to

621
00:30:18.759 --> 00:30:21.039
<v Speaker 2>the arena to watch the other team, which I get,

622
00:30:21.079 --> 00:30:22.519
<v Speaker 2>So what are we going to see tonight in the

623
00:30:22.519 --> 00:30:23.400
<v Speaker 2>Phoenix Suns?

624
00:30:24.039 --> 00:30:26.079
<v Speaker 9>Yeah, and obviously, no, KD is a bummer, and you

625
00:30:26.079 --> 00:30:29.440
<v Speaker 9>know that was a weird one because he actually strained

626
00:30:29.440 --> 00:30:31.359
<v Speaker 9>that in the fourth quarter and there in Dallas. I

627
00:30:31.440 --> 00:30:34.680
<v Speaker 9>was at the game, I was in the Sun's locker room. Afterwards,

628
00:30:34.759 --> 00:30:36.880
<v Speaker 9>I talked to KD. He didn't get extra treatment. He

629
00:30:36.920 --> 00:30:39.000
<v Speaker 9>was in good spirits, who wasn't limping around, And the

630
00:30:39.039 --> 00:30:40.319
<v Speaker 9>next thing you know, he's out for at least a

631
00:30:40.359 --> 00:30:43.079
<v Speaker 9>couple of weeks. So I guess it was a little soreness,

632
00:30:43.079 --> 00:30:44.680
<v Speaker 9>and then it acted up on him the next day

633
00:30:44.720 --> 00:30:47.680
<v Speaker 9>and they got it checked out. But look, they still

634
00:30:47.720 --> 00:30:51.039
<v Speaker 9>have two MAX players, obviously, Bradley Beal and Devin Booker.

635
00:30:52.039 --> 00:30:54.799
<v Speaker 9>And Booker is another guy was off to a slow

636
00:30:54.839 --> 00:30:57.319
<v Speaker 9>start by his staying theres. At some point, you know

637
00:30:57.359 --> 00:31:00.079
<v Speaker 9>he's going to have one of these nights where you know,

638
00:31:00.119 --> 00:31:02.960
<v Speaker 9>he's sixteen of twenty two or whatever, and you know,

639
00:31:03.880 --> 00:31:08.799
<v Speaker 9>we've seen Booker getting these crazy shot making grooves, you know,

640
00:31:09.839 --> 00:31:11.799
<v Speaker 9>don't I don't know if jazz fans do or do

641
00:31:11.880 --> 00:31:14.680
<v Speaker 9>not hope that it's at the expense of the jazz.

642
00:31:14.720 --> 00:31:16.920
<v Speaker 9>At this point, it's a kind of a confusing time

643
00:31:17.359 --> 00:31:20.279
<v Speaker 9>as far as that goes. And you know what the

644
00:31:20.640 --> 00:31:24.079
<v Speaker 9>other thing that they that's interesting about Phoenix is roy

645
00:31:24.200 --> 00:31:26.759
<v Speaker 9>O'Neil's playing extremely well, and obviously that's the guy that

646
00:31:26.839 --> 00:31:31.119
<v Speaker 9>Jazz fans know quite well. He's really settled into a

647
00:31:31.200 --> 00:31:34.759
<v Speaker 9>nice role for them, shooting the ball extremely well. You know,

648
00:31:35.079 --> 00:31:38.559
<v Speaker 9>he's playing solid defenses he's done for years, and they

649
00:31:38.640 --> 00:31:43.519
<v Speaker 9>love this rookie Ryan Dunn, who was considered a phenomenal

650
00:31:43.559 --> 00:31:46.240
<v Speaker 9>defensive prospect who could not shoot to save his life.

651
00:31:46.880 --> 00:31:48.640
<v Speaker 9>He shut the ball pretty damn well so far in

652
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<v Speaker 9>the NBA. You know, you see the work he's put

653
00:31:50.680 --> 00:31:54.519
<v Speaker 9>in this summer. So yeah, the Suns are an interesting team.

654
00:31:55.319 --> 00:31:57.680
<v Speaker 9>I kind of put them in the same group of

655
00:31:57.720 --> 00:32:02.000
<v Speaker 9>the Warriors, of all the contenders, and they you know,

656
00:32:02.000 --> 00:32:04.359
<v Speaker 9>they only win clutch games. They don't blow anybody out,

657
00:32:05.200 --> 00:32:06.920
<v Speaker 9>but they're off the heck of a start.

658
00:32:07.559 --> 00:32:09.440
<v Speaker 2>Well, the red hot Utah Jazz have won two of

659
00:32:09.519 --> 00:32:12.839
<v Speaker 2>three games tim, so you know, ultimately, let's lean into that.

660
00:32:12.960 --> 00:32:17.480
<v Speaker 2>And without being facetious, I do think with a group

661
00:32:17.559 --> 00:32:20.759
<v Speaker 2>of really really young players and a head coach who

662
00:32:20.759 --> 00:32:24.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure every night feels like he's walking into a

663
00:32:24.039 --> 00:32:27.559
<v Speaker 2>gym completely up against it, well, I have no issue

664
00:32:27.599 --> 00:32:30.720
<v Speaker 2>if they lose every game because I understand what's going on,

665
00:32:30.799 --> 00:32:33.279
<v Speaker 2>I get what time it is, and I understand the uh,

666
00:32:33.440 --> 00:32:36.160
<v Speaker 2>you know the necessity of the pain. I do think

667
00:32:36.359 --> 00:32:39.599
<v Speaker 2>experiencing some success here or there kind of put some

668
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<v Speaker 2>wind in these young players' sales.

669
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<v Speaker 1>At least there's that.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, No, I think you can't. I mean, you really

671
00:32:47.319 --> 00:32:50.559
<v Speaker 9>don't want to have like double figure losing streaks and

672
00:32:50.640 --> 00:32:53.559
<v Speaker 9>like you didn't, especially to start the season. You don't

673
00:32:53.559 --> 00:32:56.319
<v Speaker 9>want to be oh in you know, eleven or twelve

674
00:32:56.440 --> 00:32:59.799
<v Speaker 9>or fifteen or just whatever, just because that is such

675
00:32:59.839 --> 00:33:02.440
<v Speaker 9>a waight and it I think it has a major

676
00:33:02.559 --> 00:33:06.680
<v Speaker 9>negative impact on development when there's that level of misery

677
00:33:06.680 --> 00:33:09.759
<v Speaker 9>and when you feel like there's no reward for all

678
00:33:09.799 --> 00:33:12.400
<v Speaker 9>the work that's being put in. And so look, we

679
00:33:12.480 --> 00:33:14.079
<v Speaker 9>understand the Jazz aren't going to win a lot of

680
00:33:14.079 --> 00:33:17.119
<v Speaker 9>games this year, but but you know, you don't want

681
00:33:17.160 --> 00:33:21.160
<v Speaker 9>it to be a fourteen win season, and you want

682
00:33:21.200 --> 00:33:23.559
<v Speaker 9>to see, you know, these young players, you want to

683
00:33:23.599 --> 00:33:26.799
<v Speaker 9>see proof that what they're doing is paying off. You

684
00:33:26.839 --> 00:33:30.839
<v Speaker 9>want to see development. You know, you want to see progress,

685
00:33:31.319 --> 00:33:33.400
<v Speaker 9>and so you know, to be able to pull out

686
00:33:33.400 --> 00:33:37.839
<v Speaker 9>a couple of wins and again, I you know they're

687
00:33:37.880 --> 00:33:40.440
<v Speaker 9>going to be very much in the mix for the

688
00:33:40.519 --> 00:33:43.359
<v Speaker 9>number one overall pick. We all understand that, and frankly

689
00:33:44.079 --> 00:33:49.440
<v Speaker 9>that's the plane, but that completely bottom out to do

690
00:33:49.519 --> 00:33:51.279
<v Speaker 9>that now, I.

691
00:33:52.119 --> 00:33:55.000
<v Speaker 2>Like you just kind of see to the draft guys

692
00:33:55.039 --> 00:33:56.880
<v Speaker 2>as far as who these players are. So I know

693
00:33:56.960 --> 00:34:00.559
<v Speaker 2>you don't cover the draft yourself, but we are going

694
00:34:00.599 --> 00:34:02.680
<v Speaker 2>to revisit this throughout the course of the season because

695
00:34:02.720 --> 00:34:07.200
<v Speaker 2>college basketball has tipped off. It's now here and obviously

696
00:34:07.240 --> 00:34:09.400
<v Speaker 2>Cooper Flag is playing for Duke, so we're gonna be

697
00:34:09.800 --> 00:34:12.039
<v Speaker 2>like the funnest things now as a Jazz fan is

698
00:34:12.119 --> 00:34:13.840
<v Speaker 2>just to check mock drafts, and a lot of them

699
00:34:13.880 --> 00:34:15.599
<v Speaker 2>have the Jazz is one of the top two picks.

700
00:34:15.639 --> 00:34:19.039
<v Speaker 2>Like Gavoni released his stuff today, So just I know

701
00:34:19.079 --> 00:34:21.159
<v Speaker 2>you're not a scout. Tell our listeners though, what you

702
00:34:21.320 --> 00:34:23.800
<v Speaker 2>are hearing about the type of pro Cooper Flag could be.

703
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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, backs for home. My colleague had a really good

704
00:34:28.280 --> 00:34:32.159
<v Speaker 9>story on Cooper Flag yesterday and I learned that I'm

705
00:34:32.159 --> 00:34:36.159
<v Speaker 9>pretty sure I played against Cooper Flag's main AAU coach

706
00:34:36.159 --> 00:34:39.719
<v Speaker 9>when I was in high school. Wow, I was That

707
00:34:39.880 --> 00:34:41.320
<v Speaker 9>was one of the major things that took from that.

708
00:34:41.360 --> 00:34:44.360
<v Speaker 9>I don't know that anybody else cares necessarily. But like

709
00:34:45.559 --> 00:34:48.440
<v Speaker 9>the question with Cooper Flag is is he going to

710
00:34:48.440 --> 00:34:51.480
<v Speaker 9>be a guy who could be a primary score because

711
00:34:51.519 --> 00:34:53.920
<v Speaker 9>as far as everything else goes, like, dude, this is

712
00:34:54.000 --> 00:34:59.400
<v Speaker 9>going to He's a six foot nine, multi position, high intensity,

713
00:34:59.639 --> 00:35:01.920
<v Speaker 9>high level defensive player. You're going to see it, like

714
00:35:02.480 --> 00:35:03.920
<v Speaker 9>you know, this is a guy he's going to have.

715
00:35:04.719 --> 00:35:06.440
<v Speaker 9>He's going to be a five by five direct cause

716
00:35:06.440 --> 00:35:08.400
<v Speaker 9>he's going to block shots, He's going to get steals,

717
00:35:08.400 --> 00:35:10.639
<v Speaker 9>He's a phenomenal pass We've got that kind of feel.

718
00:35:10.679 --> 00:35:15.280
<v Speaker 9>He's a super athlete. I think the ability to create

719
00:35:15.360 --> 00:35:18.679
<v Speaker 9>shots and kind of the overall shooting that those are

720
00:35:18.679 --> 00:35:23.000
<v Speaker 9>the questions. But you know, again, so I don't know

721
00:35:23.000 --> 00:35:25.920
<v Speaker 9>if he's going to be like a number one offensive option,

722
00:35:26.480 --> 00:35:28.039
<v Speaker 9>but he's going to be a guy who can help

723
00:35:28.079 --> 00:35:30.719
<v Speaker 9>you win games in a whole lot of different ways.

724
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<v Speaker 2>All Right, before I say you loose, I got to

725
00:35:32.679 --> 00:35:35.440
<v Speaker 2>get your take on what Chats injury means for OKC.

726
00:35:35.880 --> 00:35:38.239
<v Speaker 2>I mean, Shay just went for forty five in the

727
00:35:38.280 --> 00:35:41.400
<v Speaker 2>first game without him, and they're still really deep and

728
00:35:41.440 --> 00:35:43.679
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure they're gonna tread water, and it looks like

729
00:35:43.719 --> 00:35:46.440
<v Speaker 2>he'll be reevaluated in ten to twelve weeks, So maybe

730
00:35:46.480 --> 00:35:49.599
<v Speaker 2>it isn't catastrophic, but they were off to such a

731
00:35:49.639 --> 00:35:52.320
<v Speaker 2>fun not just a successful start, fun start, fun team

732
00:35:52.360 --> 00:35:54.559
<v Speaker 2>to watch at nine and two, and Chat's going to

733
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<v Speaker 2>be out for a while.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you think this means for OKC?

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<v Speaker 9>I mean they were off to a dominant start, and

736
00:35:59.320 --> 00:36:01.639
<v Speaker 9>they were the best defensive team that we have seen

737
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<v Speaker 9>in a while, you know, in several years in the NBA.

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<v Speaker 9>And you know, Chet was to me the early front

739
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<v Speaker 9>runner to be Defensive Player of the Year. Uh, certainly

740
00:36:10.719 --> 00:36:12.199
<v Speaker 9>on the path to being an All Star. But they're

741
00:36:12.199 --> 00:36:14.079
<v Speaker 9>gonna win plenty of games about him. They've had to

742
00:36:14.159 --> 00:36:16.039
<v Speaker 9>kind of get through these next whatever. It's going to

743
00:36:16.119 --> 00:36:19.239
<v Speaker 9>be two or three weeks before Hartenstein's are ready to

744
00:36:19.280 --> 00:36:22.519
<v Speaker 9>make his Thunder debut. He's still recovering from that hand

745
00:36:22.559 --> 00:36:26.480
<v Speaker 9>that he broke in their preseason finale, and obviously then

746
00:36:26.559 --> 00:36:29.480
<v Speaker 9>you know they won't have to play small as they

747
00:36:29.519 --> 00:36:33.239
<v Speaker 9>are right now. But I think Chet is expected to

748
00:36:33.280 --> 00:36:37.639
<v Speaker 9>be back, you know, well before the playoffs. Really what

749
00:36:37.679 --> 00:36:43.719
<v Speaker 9>this does, though, is they're pushing back the entire experimental

750
00:36:43.880 --> 00:36:46.639
<v Speaker 9>timetable as far as do Chett and hart and Sanging,

751
00:36:46.639 --> 00:36:49.039
<v Speaker 9>how much would they play together? What's the rotation look like?

752
00:36:49.079 --> 00:36:51.960
<v Speaker 9>How much of their minute staggered? Those guys aren't going

753
00:36:51.960 --> 00:36:54.880
<v Speaker 9>to play together at all until you know, I don't know,

754
00:36:55.239 --> 00:36:59.679
<v Speaker 9>probably maybe the All Star Breaks sometime around there, and

755
00:36:59.760 --> 00:37:02.320
<v Speaker 9>so well, you know, that's a big slumer. I still

756
00:37:02.360 --> 00:37:05.960
<v Speaker 9>think if you ask me who would I bet on

757
00:37:06.079 --> 00:37:09.159
<v Speaker 9>being the number one seed in the Western Conference, I

758
00:37:09.199 --> 00:37:11.440
<v Speaker 9>still would pick Oklahoma City. I just wouldn't be as

759
00:37:11.480 --> 00:37:13.960
<v Speaker 9>confident obviously as I was before show went down.

760
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<v Speaker 2>All right, Tim, thanks for the time, man. Enjoy that game.

761
00:37:17.440 --> 00:37:19.119
<v Speaker 2>Should be a fun atmosphere and we'll chat soon.

762
00:37:20.159 --> 00:37:21.000
<v Speaker 9>I appreciate it, brother.

763
00:37:21.199 --> 00:37:21.480
<v Speaker 1>All right.

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00:37:21.519 --> 00:37:24.280
<v Speaker 2>Tim McMahon covers the NBA for ESPN. He is the

765
00:37:24.440 --> 00:37:26.960
<v Speaker 2>Jazz reporter for ESPN. He's out here quite a bit

766
00:37:27.000 --> 00:37:28.920
<v Speaker 2>when the Jazz are a serious team, which they're not

767
00:37:29.039 --> 00:37:33.039
<v Speaker 2>right now. He's on Twitter at ESPN and underscore McMahon.

768
00:37:33.079 --> 00:37:35.880
<v Speaker 2>Klay Thompson is back in the Bay Area to take

769
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<v Speaker 2>on the Warriors.

770
00:37:36.679 --> 00:37:38.400
<v Speaker 1>The Jazz welcome in the Phoenix Suns.

771
00:37:39.280 --> 00:37:42.079
<v Speaker 2>So the injury report as of now we know Duran

772
00:37:42.280 --> 00:37:45.719
<v Speaker 2>is out looks like Keyante is a game time decision,

773
00:37:45.760 --> 00:37:48.599
<v Speaker 2>but expected to play. Walker Kessler on the injury report,

774
00:37:48.599 --> 00:37:50.880
<v Speaker 2>I have right now is listed as out.

775
00:37:51.679 --> 00:37:53.719
<v Speaker 1>The last game we saw Walker.

776
00:37:53.400 --> 00:37:56.119
<v Speaker 2>Did play nineteen minutes against San Antonio, got the start,

777
00:37:56.199 --> 00:38:00.119
<v Speaker 2>had to leave, so I haven't heard anything official there.

778
00:38:00.679 --> 00:38:02.840
<v Speaker 2>I'm just trying to figure out who would start tonight

779
00:38:02.920 --> 00:38:05.760
<v Speaker 2>if Walker's not going to play. Last game, it was marketing,

780
00:38:06.400 --> 00:38:09.639
<v Speaker 2>Cody Williams, Walker Kessler calling sex and Isaiah Callier.

781
00:38:09.679 --> 00:38:11.599
<v Speaker 1>My guess is Caller goes to the bench with.

782
00:38:11.599 --> 00:38:15.320
<v Speaker 2>Keyante back and I guess John Collins is your starting

783
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<v Speaker 2>center unless will goes with Drew you Banks Jazz basketball.

784
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<v Speaker 2>It's fantastic and BA Cup debuts tonight. All right, we'll

785
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<v Speaker 2>get to some pro football college football with Max Chadwick

786
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<v Speaker 2>Lynn Roberts today, some Utah women's hoops JP Changa live

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<v Speaker 2>Chadwick from PFF.

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<v Speaker 1>Max. Happy Tuesday, man, How you doing good?

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<v Speaker 9>How you guys doing good?

812
00:39:40.119 --> 00:39:40.280
<v Speaker 6>Man?

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<v Speaker 1>Appreciate the time.

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<v Speaker 2>Obviously, it was a chaotic weekend here in Salt Lake

815
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<v Speaker 2>City with the rivalry game as Brigham Young rolled up

816
00:39:49.159 --> 00:39:51.800
<v Speaker 2>to Salt Lake and went back to Provo with the win.

817
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<v Speaker 2>So now, simply put, BYU is undefeated, their number seven

818
00:39:57.639 --> 00:40:00.280
<v Speaker 2>in the AP. We'll get to the CFP release tonight.

819
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<v Speaker 2>But what did you make of a very dramatic night

820
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<v Speaker 2>in Salt Lake City on Saturday night?

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<v Speaker 10>Yeah, it just seems like by use a team of destiny,

822
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<v Speaker 10>It doesn't it? Right now? Guys, right over the Oklahoma

823
00:40:09.360 --> 00:40:11.880
<v Speaker 10>State game, they had the game winning drive. Nobody thought

824
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<v Speaker 10>they they would win that game. Obviously had another game

825
00:40:14.400 --> 00:40:17.519
<v Speaker 10>winning drive against Utah on that one. You know, every

826
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<v Speaker 10>great college football team obviously has got to be a

827
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<v Speaker 10>good team first and foremost, but also you gotta have

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<v Speaker 10>a little magic as well, and I think BYU is

829
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<v Speaker 10>starting to capture that magic a little bit. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 10>I think what they've done this year is incredible, and

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<v Speaker 10>I think, you know, seventh and eight people is way

832
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<v Speaker 10>way too low for what they've done this year. Resume wise,

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<v Speaker 10>I personally haven't number three in my ranking because I

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<v Speaker 10>think right now, at this point of the season, you've

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<v Speaker 10>got to be ranking off of their resume and not

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<v Speaker 10>in terms of, oh, how good you think a team is.

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<v Speaker 2>So that leads me to the CFP release tonight. B

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<v Speaker 2>YU rolled in at nine last week. I've viewed that

839
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<v Speaker 2>as a damning indictment of the Big Twelve Conference as

840
00:40:52.800 --> 00:40:55.920
<v Speaker 2>a whole. And Max, I don't think they're going to

841
00:40:55.960 --> 00:40:57.400
<v Speaker 2>be higher than six or seven tonight.

842
00:40:57.440 --> 00:40:58.119
<v Speaker 1>Maybe I'm wrong.

843
00:40:58.159 --> 00:41:00.800
<v Speaker 2>Where when the release happens tonight, where do you think

844
00:41:00.800 --> 00:41:01.840
<v Speaker 2>Breaking Me Young ends up?

845
00:41:02.760 --> 00:41:02.960
<v Speaker 9>Yeah?

846
00:41:02.960 --> 00:41:04.639
<v Speaker 10>I'm with you. I think you know, the AP is

847
00:41:04.679 --> 00:41:07.360
<v Speaker 10>probably you know, gonna be around where they had it at,

848
00:41:07.400 --> 00:41:09.119
<v Speaker 10>you know, which is the seventh overall. Like I said,

849
00:41:09.119 --> 00:41:11.519
<v Speaker 10>I very much vehemanly disagree with it. I mean, just

850
00:41:11.559 --> 00:41:12.639
<v Speaker 10>look at what they've done this year.

851
00:41:12.719 --> 00:41:12.840
<v Speaker 3>Right.

852
00:41:13.039 --> 00:41:15.800
<v Speaker 10>They beat SMU, who's still fighting for a playoffs pot

853
00:41:15.880 --> 00:41:17.800
<v Speaker 10>right now, is one of the top playoff contenders. Maybe

854
00:41:17.880 --> 00:41:20.079
<v Speaker 10>could even win the ACC this year the way is going.

855
00:41:20.480 --> 00:41:22.559
<v Speaker 10>And they also beat Kansas State, who's still fighting for

856
00:41:22.559 --> 00:41:25.360
<v Speaker 10>a playoffs pot as well, maybe Kansastate by twenty nine points, right,

857
00:41:25.400 --> 00:41:28.280
<v Speaker 10>se'd be two teams that are easily top twenty teams

858
00:41:28.320 --> 00:41:29.760
<v Speaker 10>in college football are now and will be in the

859
00:41:29.840 --> 00:41:32.400
<v Speaker 10>top twenty of the CFP rankings tonight. You look at

860
00:41:32.440 --> 00:41:35.039
<v Speaker 10>a resume like Texas for example, what have they done

861
00:41:35.079 --> 00:41:35.400
<v Speaker 10>this year?

862
00:41:35.480 --> 00:41:35.599
<v Speaker 9>Right?

863
00:41:35.599 --> 00:41:38.599
<v Speaker 10>Their best win is against Vanderbilt and they beat them

864
00:41:38.599 --> 00:41:40.599
<v Speaker 10>by three points. Other than that, like they beat a

865
00:41:40.639 --> 00:41:42.960
<v Speaker 10>Michigan team's most six and six this year, they're they

866
00:41:42.960 --> 00:41:45.039
<v Speaker 10>beat an Oklahoma team is probably go five and seven

867
00:41:45.119 --> 00:41:48.239
<v Speaker 10>this year, Like Texas does not have the big wins

868
00:41:48.360 --> 00:41:50.599
<v Speaker 10>like BYU does right now. And Texas, by the way,

869
00:41:50.840 --> 00:41:52.880
<v Speaker 10>has a loss this year as well, think the BYU

870
00:41:52.920 --> 00:41:56.039
<v Speaker 10>has not had yet. So I think BYU at minimum

871
00:41:56.079 --> 00:41:58.079
<v Speaker 10>should be number three in my opinion, but they're gonna

872
00:41:58.079 --> 00:42:00.320
<v Speaker 10>be a lot lower than that's And I bet you know.

873
00:42:00.320 --> 00:42:03.480
<v Speaker 2>The other issue with the low ranking, certainly last week

874
00:42:03.480 --> 00:42:05.760
<v Speaker 2>at nine and we'll see what happens tonight, is it

875
00:42:05.840 --> 00:42:09.079
<v Speaker 2>does feel like the and I'm sure it's a combination

876
00:42:09.199 --> 00:42:12.760
<v Speaker 2>of the CFP committee, powerful television executives and everybody involved

877
00:42:12.760 --> 00:42:16.000
<v Speaker 2>in this entire thing. Uh And there look, brand bias

878
00:42:16.119 --> 00:42:18.119
<v Speaker 2>is real. That's not new, it always has been. It's

879
00:42:18.119 --> 00:42:21.760
<v Speaker 2>not a breaking news situation as far as how these

880
00:42:21.760 --> 00:42:25.119
<v Speaker 2>things are analyzed. But I feel like there's still a

881
00:42:25.239 --> 00:42:28.159
<v Speaker 2>scenario in playmax where Brigham Young could win their final

882
00:42:28.199 --> 00:42:31.480
<v Speaker 2>three games, enter the Big twelve championship game at twelve

883
00:42:31.519 --> 00:42:35.519
<v Speaker 2>and zero and lose to like Colorado or whoever and

884
00:42:35.599 --> 00:42:38.440
<v Speaker 2>potentially be left out of the CFP.

885
00:42:38.920 --> 00:42:40.840
<v Speaker 1>Tell me your thoughts on that.

886
00:42:40.840 --> 00:42:43.920
<v Speaker 10>That would be criminal. That'd be absolutely criminal if they

887
00:42:43.960 --> 00:42:45.960
<v Speaker 10>were left out. And I'm with you though, I think

888
00:42:46.000 --> 00:42:48.519
<v Speaker 10>it's not a it's not out that far out there.

889
00:42:48.639 --> 00:42:51.159
<v Speaker 10>I think it's certainly a possibility. But that'd be criminal

890
00:42:51.199 --> 00:42:52.639
<v Speaker 10>because then all of a sudden, your BYU, you can

891
00:42:52.679 --> 00:42:53.880
<v Speaker 10>to make the arman like, Okay, why would we be

892
00:42:53.920 --> 00:42:55.599
<v Speaker 10>playing the Big twelve title game in the first place. Then,

893
00:42:55.679 --> 00:42:57.480
<v Speaker 10>you know, if we're twelve and oh, and all that

894
00:42:57.519 --> 00:43:00.000
<v Speaker 10>can happen for us is to miss the playoff, we lose,

895
00:43:00.920 --> 00:43:02.519
<v Speaker 10>we might as well as not playing it right and

896
00:43:02.559 --> 00:43:04.079
<v Speaker 10>then just go in as an at large team. Beau,

897
00:43:04.119 --> 00:43:05.679
<v Speaker 10>they would be at large team at twelve and h

898
00:43:05.800 --> 00:43:08.159
<v Speaker 10>So that to me would be criminal if they're twelve

899
00:43:08.199 --> 00:43:10.599
<v Speaker 10>and oh, no matter what happens in the playoff in

900
00:43:10.639 --> 00:43:12.760
<v Speaker 10>the Big twelve Championship game, now, the Big dwal title

901
00:43:12.760 --> 00:43:14.519
<v Speaker 10>game will determine whether or not b YU gets a

902
00:43:14.599 --> 00:43:17.320
<v Speaker 10>buye in the first round. In my opinion, but I

903
00:43:17.400 --> 00:43:18.800
<v Speaker 10>do not think that, you know, if they're twelve and oh,

904
00:43:18.840 --> 00:43:20.480
<v Speaker 10>they're making the playoffs no matter what, even if they

905
00:43:20.480 --> 00:43:21.400
<v Speaker 10>win or lose that game.

906
00:43:22.039 --> 00:43:24.440
<v Speaker 2>So as you reference it certainly feels like a team

907
00:43:24.440 --> 00:43:27.440
<v Speaker 2>of destiny either four and oh in one score games.

908
00:43:27.519 --> 00:43:31.840
<v Speaker 2>They've had miracle wins on four three three occasions for sure,

909
00:43:31.880 --> 00:43:34.360
<v Speaker 2>if not four. But they've answered every question thrown at

910
00:43:34.400 --> 00:43:38.599
<v Speaker 2>them when you dig into b YU, what what are

911
00:43:38.639 --> 00:43:41.320
<v Speaker 2>they most elite at? And what areas do you still

912
00:43:41.360 --> 00:43:43.639
<v Speaker 2>have questions about as far as what makes them who

913
00:43:43.639 --> 00:43:43.960
<v Speaker 2>they are.

914
00:43:45.320 --> 00:43:47.880
<v Speaker 10>Honestly, what makes them so elite is the fact that

915
00:43:47.880 --> 00:43:51.079
<v Speaker 10>they don't really have any glaring weaknesses right now. Right

916
00:43:51.119 --> 00:43:53.960
<v Speaker 10>There isn't really one thing like Miami is clearly like okay,

917
00:43:53.960 --> 00:43:57.000
<v Speaker 10>that's cam Ward right carrying this team b YU. This

918
00:43:57.079 --> 00:43:59.280
<v Speaker 10>is really not a lot that they are you know,

919
00:43:59.480 --> 00:44:01.360
<v Speaker 10>weak at right now. And I think that's what's been

920
00:44:01.360 --> 00:44:03.280
<v Speaker 10>so good with the team is that, Hey, if one

921
00:44:03.320 --> 00:44:05.320
<v Speaker 10>part of their team is off on any given week,

922
00:44:05.599 --> 00:44:07.599
<v Speaker 10>they have a multitude of ways they can win games.

923
00:44:07.599 --> 00:44:09.320
<v Speaker 10>And honestly, the best teams in college football, and the

924
00:44:09.320 --> 00:44:12.039
<v Speaker 10>best teams in football in general and in sports in general,

925
00:44:12.199 --> 00:44:14.480
<v Speaker 10>are the teams that could win in the most ways possible.

926
00:44:14.599 --> 00:44:16.679
<v Speaker 10>Right in case one thing's have worked out, you have

927
00:44:16.719 --> 00:44:18.840
<v Speaker 10>something else to fall back on, right so that to me,

928
00:44:18.880 --> 00:44:20.400
<v Speaker 10>it's been what's most impressed a byt b YU this

929
00:44:20.480 --> 00:44:23.920
<v Speaker 10>year is they're really playing great complimentary team football. Obviously,

930
00:44:24.000 --> 00:44:27.440
<v Speaker 10>Jake Redslop his improvement has been unbelievable and he's been

931
00:44:27.480 --> 00:44:29.679
<v Speaker 10>maybe the most improved quarterback in college football this year.

932
00:44:29.719 --> 00:44:31.920
<v Speaker 10>But that to me is the biggest strength of BYU

933
00:44:32.039 --> 00:44:33.719
<v Speaker 10>right now is that they don't really have too many

934
00:44:33.719 --> 00:44:34.519
<v Speaker 10>glaring weaknesses.

935
00:44:35.280 --> 00:44:37.000
<v Speaker 2>I saw on your Twitter page you had a chance

936
00:44:37.039 --> 00:44:39.239
<v Speaker 2>to sit down with Jake recently. I wonder what that

937
00:44:39.280 --> 00:44:41.559
<v Speaker 2>conversation was like and what stands out most to you

938
00:44:41.639 --> 00:44:43.320
<v Speaker 2>about how much he's improved.

939
00:44:44.320 --> 00:44:46.800
<v Speaker 10>That actually was an amazing interview because I don't know

940
00:44:46.800 --> 00:44:49.480
<v Speaker 10>if you if you know this, but that whole ranking

941
00:44:49.960 --> 00:44:52.039
<v Speaker 10>Jake hold up of the picture of him holding up

942
00:44:52.079 --> 00:44:54.840
<v Speaker 10>the ranking of having him as the worst quarterback in

943
00:44:54.840 --> 00:44:56.800
<v Speaker 10>the Big Twelve entering the year, and he used as

944
00:44:56.920 --> 00:44:59.440
<v Speaker 10>motivation and ESPNS and flashing that graphic all the time.

945
00:44:59.599 --> 00:45:02.119
<v Speaker 10>That actually was made by my co host dln Wasson

946
00:45:02.119 --> 00:45:04.360
<v Speaker 10>with that ranking right, So having him on the show

947
00:45:04.480 --> 00:45:06.480
<v Speaker 10>was really funny. You know, we made dal Nie Crow

948
00:45:06.519 --> 00:45:08.079
<v Speaker 10>a little bit which is very funny as well, and

949
00:45:08.320 --> 00:45:10.159
<v Speaker 10>Jake was such an amazing support about it, but you

950
00:45:10.159 --> 00:45:12.119
<v Speaker 10>could tell that he is always looking for the next

951
00:45:12.159 --> 00:45:15.400
<v Speaker 10>chip on his shoulder. Honestly, you mentioned the betting odds

952
00:45:15.400 --> 00:45:18.760
<v Speaker 10>and how UCF was somehow a favorite over BYU. He

953
00:45:18.760 --> 00:45:21.079
<v Speaker 10>didn't really understand that. He's like, Man, I love being

954
00:45:21.079 --> 00:45:23.440
<v Speaker 10>the underdog. I've been an underwreck my whole wife. You know,

955
00:45:23.639 --> 00:45:26.519
<v Speaker 10>I went to Juco, I came out of Juco. Obviously,

956
00:45:26.519 --> 00:45:28.280
<v Speaker 10>you guys rank me as the worst quarterback in the Big twelm.

957
00:45:28.280 --> 00:45:30.280
<v Speaker 10>I'm trying to ProView wrong. I'm trying to prove everyone

958
00:45:30.320 --> 00:45:32.320
<v Speaker 10>wrong right now. And I think that's what really stood

959
00:45:32.320 --> 00:45:33.960
<v Speaker 10>out to be the most is that this is a

960
00:45:34.039 --> 00:45:36.400
<v Speaker 10>kid that is always, always looking for the next chip

961
00:45:36.400 --> 00:45:38.719
<v Speaker 10>on his shoulder and always wants to be the underdog

962
00:45:38.760 --> 00:45:40.079
<v Speaker 10>in every situation possible.

963
00:45:40.199 --> 00:45:44.599
<v Speaker 2>So they have Kansas Max coming up on or coming

964
00:45:44.679 --> 00:45:46.960
<v Speaker 2>up on Saturday. It's a late kickdown in pro vot

965
00:45:47.000 --> 00:45:49.960
<v Speaker 2>It's an eight to fifteen kick. And Kansas was one

966
00:45:50.000 --> 00:45:52.760
<v Speaker 2>of those teams before the season that a lot of

967
00:45:52.760 --> 00:45:55.519
<v Speaker 2>people thought could be like a sneaky contending team, and

968
00:45:55.559 --> 00:45:58.800
<v Speaker 2>it didn't turn out that way. However, they've been better

969
00:45:58.880 --> 00:46:01.480
<v Speaker 2>as of late. They smoke Houston, and Houston has been

970
00:46:01.519 --> 00:46:05.159
<v Speaker 2>beating some good teams, namely Utah. They probably should have

971
00:46:05.239 --> 00:46:08.000
<v Speaker 2>won in Manhattan over k State, but they lost, and

972
00:46:08.039 --> 00:46:11.199
<v Speaker 2>then they hung forty five on Iowa State, and BYU

973
00:46:11.280 --> 00:46:15.599
<v Speaker 2>into Saturday as a three point favorite over Kansas. What

974
00:46:15.639 --> 00:46:17.440
<v Speaker 2>do you think happens in Provo on Saturday night?

975
00:46:18.400 --> 00:46:20.559
<v Speaker 10>Yeah? I think I would warn BYU fans just don't

976
00:46:20.559 --> 00:46:22.760
<v Speaker 10>look at the record too much with Kansas. Right, Obviously,

977
00:46:22.800 --> 00:46:24.519
<v Speaker 10>they're three and six on the year. It doesn't really

978
00:46:24.559 --> 00:46:27.800
<v Speaker 10>look great on paper. But at the same time, only

979
00:46:27.880 --> 00:46:30.760
<v Speaker 10>one of their six losses was by more than six

980
00:46:30.840 --> 00:46:34.280
<v Speaker 10>points this year, right, so they've basically been playing one

981
00:46:34.320 --> 00:46:36.119
<v Speaker 10>possession games and being on the wrong end of.

982
00:46:36.079 --> 00:46:37.159
<v Speaker 9>Them a lot.

983
00:46:37.199 --> 00:46:39.079
<v Speaker 10>Now, this is a lot better team. They're probably the

984
00:46:39.079 --> 00:46:40.800
<v Speaker 10>best three and six team in comfortable. I don'tink it's

985
00:46:40.800 --> 00:46:43.280
<v Speaker 10>really your net cards been there, honestly. So Kansas is

986
00:46:43.280 --> 00:46:45.440
<v Speaker 10>a dangerous team, and you saw it last week against

987
00:46:45.480 --> 00:46:48.599
<v Speaker 10>Iowa State. Obviously they're a very dangerous team that's not

988
00:46:48.639 --> 00:46:50.440
<v Speaker 10>seem to look over too much. How do I think

989
00:46:50.440 --> 00:46:52.079
<v Speaker 10>b Y is still gonna win the game? Yes, I do,

990
00:46:52.239 --> 00:46:55.559
<v Speaker 10>But I do want to caution BYU fans from overlooking

991
00:46:55.559 --> 00:46:57.360
<v Speaker 10>them just because they're three and six records. They are

992
00:46:57.360 --> 00:46:59.239
<v Speaker 10>a lot better than that record indicate.

993
00:47:00.000 --> 00:47:02.400
<v Speaker 2>I want to go back to Saturday night as by

994
00:47:02.440 --> 00:47:04.159
<v Speaker 2>you rolled up here then rolled out of town with

995
00:47:04.199 --> 00:47:06.480
<v Speaker 2>a win, and you know the deal man. All the

996
00:47:06.519 --> 00:47:09.360
<v Speaker 2>controversy after the game about the holding call on fourth

997
00:47:09.440 --> 00:47:12.519
<v Speaker 2>and ten as Jake was about to be sacked and

998
00:47:12.599 --> 00:47:15.559
<v Speaker 2>there was a wide receiver split out left, and you know,

999
00:47:15.920 --> 00:47:19.360
<v Speaker 2>the hot takes have been widespread. The opinions all are

1000
00:47:19.440 --> 00:47:21.079
<v Speaker 2>all over the place. You have a lot of people

1001
00:47:21.119 --> 00:47:23.480
<v Speaker 2>that did say it's a foul period, like Terry McCauley.

1002
00:47:23.519 --> 00:47:25.320
<v Speaker 2>You have a lot of people like Joel Klatt saying

1003
00:47:25.360 --> 00:47:29.400
<v Speaker 2>it's complicated because of the lack of consistency with officiating.

1004
00:47:30.159 --> 00:47:32.519
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you noticed, Utah's athletic director wasn't

1005
00:47:32.519 --> 00:47:35.280
<v Speaker 2>thrilled about it, and the head coach wasn't either as

1006
00:47:35.360 --> 00:47:38.920
<v Speaker 2>a chair or was accosted by coach went after his presser.

1007
00:47:39.559 --> 00:47:41.719
<v Speaker 2>First of all, your opinion on the call, and then

1008
00:47:41.760 --> 00:47:43.440
<v Speaker 2>your take on the reaction after the game.

1009
00:47:44.719 --> 00:47:49.159
<v Speaker 10>Yeah, I think the call was it was fifty fifty.

1010
00:47:49.199 --> 00:47:51.199
<v Speaker 10>I personally thought it was the right call. Honestly, I

1011
00:47:51.239 --> 00:47:53.880
<v Speaker 10>think there's enough there to throw the flag on that one,

1012
00:47:54.239 --> 00:47:57.199
<v Speaker 10>and I'll see if you're BYU. Absolutely if you're Utah, Like,

1013
00:47:57.480 --> 00:47:59.320
<v Speaker 10>if you're a Utah fan, I'd be more upset with

1014
00:47:59.360 --> 00:48:02.920
<v Speaker 10>the way your team performed than just one penalty call,

1015
00:48:03.000 --> 00:48:04.559
<v Speaker 10>right if you leave it up to the refs, like,

1016
00:48:04.599 --> 00:48:07.519
<v Speaker 10>that's on you, honestly, and listen, in Utah scored twenty

1017
00:48:07.559 --> 00:48:10.440
<v Speaker 10>one points in the second quarter, they just score any

1018
00:48:10.440 --> 00:48:13.519
<v Speaker 10>points and the other three quarters combined, right, So I

1019
00:48:13.519 --> 00:48:15.559
<v Speaker 10>think that's really what you should be looking at, right

1020
00:48:15.559 --> 00:48:17.519
<v Speaker 10>there is that you know, really, for fifteen minutes you

1021
00:48:17.559 --> 00:48:21.000
<v Speaker 10>played great football. The other forty five minutes you did not, honestly,

1022
00:48:21.119 --> 00:48:24.000
<v Speaker 10>So that's me. That's what I think is most disappointing

1023
00:48:24.000 --> 00:48:26.800
<v Speaker 10>part for the Utah fans. They're lost, but obviously they

1024
00:48:26.840 --> 00:48:29.239
<v Speaker 10>always look for a scapegoat, and that penalty call at

1025
00:48:29.280 --> 00:48:30.920
<v Speaker 10>the end of the game is a pretty easy one.

1026
00:48:31.119 --> 00:48:32.960
<v Speaker 10>I thought it was the right call personally, I understand

1027
00:48:32.960 --> 00:48:34.239
<v Speaker 10>people who don't think it was the right call. That

1028
00:48:34.400 --> 00:48:36.559
<v Speaker 10>was very very close, But I don't think that was

1029
00:48:36.599 --> 00:48:38.559
<v Speaker 10>the biggest reason why they lost the game. Honestly. I

1030
00:48:38.599 --> 00:48:40.760
<v Speaker 10>think there's a lot of other reasons why Utah just

1031
00:48:40.800 --> 00:48:41.960
<v Speaker 10>did not put a why BYU.

1032
00:48:42.440 --> 00:48:45.079
<v Speaker 2>So Mark Carlin after the game with some very spirited comments.

1033
00:48:45.119 --> 00:48:47.360
<v Speaker 2>I wonder what you make of those comments and the

1034
00:48:47.400 --> 00:48:49.760
<v Speaker 2>reaction of the Big twelve to find him forty k

1035
00:48:50.079 --> 00:48:53.000
<v Speaker 2>and then give him a public reprimand Max.

1036
00:48:54.159 --> 00:48:56.679
<v Speaker 10>Yeah, it was I've never seen that suctor to do

1037
00:48:56.719 --> 00:48:59.199
<v Speaker 10>that before, right, that was first of all, it was

1038
00:48:59.360 --> 00:49:01.320
<v Speaker 10>very rare. Do you see that fleck arctor after a

1039
00:49:01.360 --> 00:49:03.519
<v Speaker 10>game do his own press conference. I don't even think

1040
00:49:03.599 --> 00:49:05.239
<v Speaker 10>Utah was planning on that. I think he just went

1041
00:49:05.280 --> 00:49:07.800
<v Speaker 10>through the podium and started talking. Honestly, he had something

1042
00:49:07.840 --> 00:49:11.119
<v Speaker 10>to get off his chest, clearly. Yeah, obviously it wasn't

1043
00:49:11.119 --> 00:49:13.960
<v Speaker 10>a great look. And anytime you started accusing a conference

1044
00:49:14.000 --> 00:49:16.599
<v Speaker 10>of you know, rigging the game when you're in a

1045
00:49:16.639 --> 00:49:19.400
<v Speaker 10>flectator in the conference, that's not a very good look.

1046
00:49:19.480 --> 00:49:22.280
<v Speaker 10>So the fine and the reprimand the reprimanding, that was

1047
00:49:22.320 --> 00:49:24.679
<v Speaker 10>not a very big surprise to me. I'll based off

1048
00:49:24.719 --> 00:49:28.280
<v Speaker 10>those comments again, that to me wasn't a great look

1049
00:49:28.320 --> 00:49:30.840
<v Speaker 10>for Utah as the Flex department. I understand their frustration.

1050
00:49:30.880 --> 00:49:33.119
<v Speaker 10>I understand it was a very very close falcohol and

1051
00:49:33.119 --> 00:49:35.639
<v Speaker 10>I understand uh, you know, being upset about that, But

1052
00:49:36.360 --> 00:49:38.599
<v Speaker 10>I just I don't think as about pleasure, that's something

1053
00:49:38.599 --> 00:49:41.039
<v Speaker 10>that fans can say, if you're an A D, you

1054
00:49:41.320 --> 00:49:43.119
<v Speaker 10>can't be going out to the media and saying those

1055
00:49:43.159 --> 00:49:45.639
<v Speaker 10>kinds of things. So I completely understand the fine and

1056
00:49:45.639 --> 00:49:46.960
<v Speaker 10>everything that happened afterwards.

1057
00:49:47.119 --> 00:49:49.920
<v Speaker 2>So to pan back, you know, of course, and you

1058
00:49:49.960 --> 00:49:52.079
<v Speaker 2>and I have talked all season long, and I continue

1059
00:49:52.119 --> 00:49:54.639
<v Speaker 2>to believe that you really can be as reductive as

1060
00:49:54.639 --> 00:49:57.480
<v Speaker 2>saying Cameron Rising was never right this year, and that's

1061
00:49:57.559 --> 00:50:01.000
<v Speaker 2>changed everything. But at this point, with five straight losses,

1062
00:50:01.639 --> 00:50:04.480
<v Speaker 2>it feels like it's a lot more than just one position.

1063
00:50:04.559 --> 00:50:07.760
<v Speaker 2>Although coach Wit always talks about the effect that Cameron

1064
00:50:07.800 --> 00:50:10.880
<v Speaker 2>has on his teammates, and we've seen it here in

1065
00:50:10.920 --> 00:50:13.760
<v Speaker 2>saw Lake firsthand, and when he's right, when he's healthy,

1066
00:50:13.840 --> 00:50:18.199
<v Speaker 2>for whatever reason, his presence simply does lift the group.

1067
00:50:18.239 --> 00:50:19.639
<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's what great leaders do.

1068
00:50:20.400 --> 00:50:22.719
<v Speaker 2>But it can't be the only thing to blame when

1069
00:50:22.719 --> 00:50:25.519
<v Speaker 2>you've lost five straight, You've only won one conference game,

1070
00:50:26.119 --> 00:50:27.840
<v Speaker 2>and Vegas thought you were going to win it, The

1071
00:50:27.880 --> 00:50:30.000
<v Speaker 2>media thought you were going to win it, and certainly

1072
00:50:30.039 --> 00:50:32.880
<v Speaker 2>youth fans were very very front facing about their belief

1073
00:50:32.920 --> 00:50:35.239
<v Speaker 2>that they were going to win it too. Why do

1074
00:50:35.320 --> 00:50:37.599
<v Speaker 2>you think we're sitting here in Saul Lake with a

1075
00:50:37.639 --> 00:50:40.199
<v Speaker 2>four and five team overall with a one in five

1076
00:50:40.239 --> 00:50:41.360
<v Speaker 2>record in conference play.

1077
00:50:42.800 --> 00:50:45.920
<v Speaker 10>Yeah, I think a SARTs at quarterback, you know, right now,

1078
00:50:45.920 --> 00:50:47.599
<v Speaker 10>I think Utah is the worst pass and grade in

1079
00:50:47.639 --> 00:50:49.800
<v Speaker 10>the entire power for I just don't think they had

1080
00:50:49.880 --> 00:50:51.599
<v Speaker 10>too much of a plan if cam eris and got

1081
00:50:51.639 --> 00:50:54.360
<v Speaker 10>hurt again, which is not great considering he's a guy's

1082
00:50:54.480 --> 00:50:57.920
<v Speaker 10>very very injury prone obviously, So Isaac Wilson is a

1083
00:50:57.960 --> 00:51:00.559
<v Speaker 10>true freshman, wasn't really ready to go out there and performing.

1084
00:51:00.679 --> 00:51:03.519
<v Speaker 10>And Brandon Rose deal has did actually an admirable job,

1085
00:51:03.559 --> 00:51:06.079
<v Speaker 10>I thought in that Bayu game overall, but he's not

1086
00:51:06.159 --> 00:51:09.239
<v Speaker 10>obviously a star quarterback either. It's just they don't have

1087
00:51:09.280 --> 00:51:11.639
<v Speaker 10>a lot long offensively right now. The receiving corps as well,

1088
00:51:11.639 --> 00:51:13.400
<v Speaker 10>like braand Keith, he's not done for the year. They

1089
00:51:13.440 --> 00:51:15.599
<v Speaker 10>didn't really have much at wide receiver either. It'd be

1090
00:51:15.639 --> 00:51:19.559
<v Speaker 10>really too concerned with either. So that I also thought

1091
00:51:19.559 --> 00:51:22.559
<v Speaker 10>the front seven for Utah is just not as good

1092
00:51:22.559 --> 00:51:24.960
<v Speaker 10>as years passed. Honestly, they obtously lost the big time

1093
00:51:25.000 --> 00:51:27.760
<v Speaker 10>players like Jonah Ellis to the draft and they just

1094
00:51:27.800 --> 00:51:29.679
<v Speaker 10>didn't have much replace and was so they struggled in

1095
00:51:29.719 --> 00:51:33.760
<v Speaker 10>their front seven as well. Yeah, it's it's been a

1096
00:51:33.760 --> 00:51:35.360
<v Speaker 10>all on the team. I would say he can't really

1097
00:51:35.519 --> 00:51:37.760
<v Speaker 10>put it up blame on one thing, but I do

1098
00:51:37.880 --> 00:51:40.239
<v Speaker 10>think that Camraising going down with an injury not only

1099
00:51:40.239 --> 00:51:42.800
<v Speaker 10>for on field purposes, but also off field his leadership,

1100
00:51:42.840 --> 00:51:45.199
<v Speaker 10>like you said that to me, was really what killed

1101
00:51:45.280 --> 00:51:45.880
<v Speaker 10>Utah season.

1102
00:51:46.360 --> 00:51:49.119
<v Speaker 2>So one more thing on Saturday, then we'll move on here.

1103
00:51:49.159 --> 00:51:51.920
<v Speaker 2>Because Utah hangs twenty one points in the second quarter,

1104
00:51:52.239 --> 00:51:54.320
<v Speaker 2>and this is an offense that has not been able.

1105
00:51:54.320 --> 00:51:56.440
<v Speaker 2>They haven't scored twenty four or more against a P

1106
00:51:56.519 --> 00:51:59.119
<v Speaker 2>four team all year. And then in the second half,

1107
00:51:59.119 --> 00:52:02.559
<v Speaker 2>bring him young, hold you. Utah to seventy nine total yards,

1108
00:52:02.559 --> 00:52:08.840
<v Speaker 2>four first downs, and Utah's possessions went like this, punt, interception, punt, punt, punt, punt.

1109
00:52:09.559 --> 00:52:11.960
<v Speaker 2>They I think they didn't even have a play in

1110
00:52:12.000 --> 00:52:14.960
<v Speaker 2>the BYU territory in the second half, and they had

1111
00:52:15.000 --> 00:52:18.519
<v Speaker 2>good field position the final three possessions, ten plays, ten yards,

1112
00:52:18.800 --> 00:52:20.840
<v Speaker 2>and if they found a way just to get three

1113
00:52:21.519 --> 00:52:24.719
<v Speaker 2>in one of their six second half possessions, they.

1114
00:52:24.679 --> 00:52:25.480
<v Speaker 1>Might win the game.

1115
00:52:25.760 --> 00:52:28.920
<v Speaker 2>So tell me what you saw from your eye in

1116
00:52:28.960 --> 00:52:32.079
<v Speaker 2>the second half as Utah's offense completely stalled.

1117
00:52:32.559 --> 00:52:34.400
<v Speaker 1>Was it BYU's defensive adjustments.

1118
00:52:34.519 --> 00:52:37.320
<v Speaker 2>Was it a cautious approach from Utah's offense a little

1119
00:52:37.320 --> 00:52:37.719
<v Speaker 2>bit of both?

1120
00:52:37.760 --> 00:52:39.000
<v Speaker 1>What are your thoughts?

1121
00:52:39.639 --> 00:52:41.079
<v Speaker 10>I think it was a little bit of both. I thought,

1122
00:52:41.159 --> 00:52:44.199
<v Speaker 10>bo you did a great job of adjusting to Utah

1123
00:52:44.239 --> 00:52:46.719
<v Speaker 10>and making sure that Mackay Bernard does not beat you.

1124
00:52:46.800 --> 00:52:48.599
<v Speaker 10>And I think that's really the key for Utah's offense,

1125
00:52:48.679 --> 00:52:50.639
<v Speaker 10>just whether or not they can get but Kai Bernard, but.

1126
00:52:50.679 --> 00:52:51.239
<v Speaker 9>Not only him.

1127
00:52:51.239 --> 00:52:53.079
<v Speaker 10>Their their offensive line this year is like one of

1128
00:52:53.119 --> 00:52:54.880
<v Speaker 10>the best in the country. And I'm blocking too, So

1129
00:52:54.920 --> 00:52:56.800
<v Speaker 10>it's a combination of those two things that make Utah

1130
00:52:56.840 --> 00:52:59.639
<v Speaker 10>a pretty dangerous team on the ground. I think Byu

1131
00:52:59.639 --> 00:53:01.440
<v Speaker 10>made it started effort in the second half just make

1132
00:53:01.480 --> 00:53:03.519
<v Speaker 10>sure he did not beat him, and make sure Brandon

1133
00:53:03.599 --> 00:53:05.320
<v Speaker 10>Rose is the guy that has to beat you. And

1134
00:53:05.320 --> 00:53:07.159
<v Speaker 10>then if you do that, like he was the writ

1135
00:53:07.159 --> 00:53:09.159
<v Speaker 10>of the third string quarterback for Jutah entering the year,

1136
00:53:09.440 --> 00:53:11.400
<v Speaker 10>so yeah, they I think that was that to me

1137
00:53:11.559 --> 00:53:14.840
<v Speaker 10>was the biggest reason why Buyu was able to win

1138
00:53:14.880 --> 00:53:17.719
<v Speaker 10>that game, honestly, So yeah, I think, you know, obviously

1139
00:53:17.960 --> 00:53:19.840
<v Speaker 10>Utah is not having great a pass the game was

1140
00:53:19.880 --> 00:53:22.320
<v Speaker 10>a big factor as well, But yeah, I think there's

1141
00:53:22.320 --> 00:53:24.119
<v Speaker 10>a lot of issues there that you could see that

1142
00:53:24.199 --> 00:53:25.440
<v Speaker 10>BYU is able to pull up the win.

1143
00:53:25.920 --> 00:53:28.920
<v Speaker 2>So Utah I had SIB Boulder Saturday morning, ten am

1144
00:53:29.039 --> 00:53:32.239
<v Speaker 2>early kicktime. As far as the local stuff goes, it will.

1145
00:53:32.079 --> 00:53:32.920
<v Speaker 1>Be on Fox.

1146
00:53:33.679 --> 00:53:37.639
<v Speaker 2>Utah enters the game as a ten point underdog. There

1147
00:53:37.639 --> 00:53:39.599
<v Speaker 2>are a lot of rumors going around, but we haven't

1148
00:53:39.639 --> 00:53:41.880
<v Speaker 2>heard anything official from the university, so I can't I

1149
00:53:41.920 --> 00:53:42.760
<v Speaker 2>can't coroborate.

1150
00:53:43.159 --> 00:53:44.679
<v Speaker 1>We don't brand Keith he's out for the year.

1151
00:53:44.760 --> 00:53:47.280
<v Speaker 2>But since the game there's been some rumors about some

1152
00:53:47.360 --> 00:53:48.760
<v Speaker 2>other players lost for the year too.

1153
00:53:48.800 --> 00:53:50.400
<v Speaker 1>We'll have to wait and see what that looks like.

1154
00:53:51.079 --> 00:53:53.840
<v Speaker 2>Tell us about these Colorado Buffaloes, what's Deon being able

1155
00:53:53.880 --> 00:53:55.760
<v Speaker 2>to do to really turn that season around? And you

1156
00:53:55.840 --> 00:54:01.440
<v Speaker 2>give Utah at least a puncher's chance on Saturday and Boulder, Yeah,

1157
00:54:01.440 --> 00:54:01.840
<v Speaker 2>I think.

1158
00:54:01.719 --> 00:54:04.039
<v Speaker 10>Puncher's chances is certainly fair. I mean, they are always

1159
00:54:04.039 --> 00:54:05.840
<v Speaker 10>a well coached team with Kyle Whittingham there, so you

1160
00:54:05.880 --> 00:54:06.639
<v Speaker 10>can never count them out.

1161
00:54:06.679 --> 00:54:07.199
<v Speaker 9>And obviously they.

1162
00:54:07.119 --> 00:54:09.719
<v Speaker 10>Almost pulled it off against BYU obviously right, so you

1163
00:54:09.760 --> 00:54:12.519
<v Speaker 10>can never count out Utah. But Conrad has done a

1164
00:54:12.559 --> 00:54:14.559
<v Speaker 10>great job of just addressing their weakenses from last year,

1165
00:54:14.559 --> 00:54:16.440
<v Speaker 10>which has really just been in the trenches, both offensive

1166
00:54:16.440 --> 00:54:18.760
<v Speaker 10>line and defensive line and linebacker, and I think that's

1167
00:54:19.000 --> 00:54:21.039
<v Speaker 10>really why they've went from a four and eight team

1168
00:54:21.079 --> 00:54:22.719
<v Speaker 10>to one that's going to be maybe in the Big

1169
00:54:22.719 --> 00:54:24.800
<v Speaker 10>twelve Tile Game, maybe even in the College Fable Playoff

1170
00:54:24.840 --> 00:54:26.840
<v Speaker 10>at the end of the year as well. So that's

1171
00:54:26.920 --> 00:54:29.239
<v Speaker 10>what's really been the most improved part an oasis to

1172
00:54:29.280 --> 00:54:31.800
<v Speaker 10>have maybe the best quarterback in America in Sugar Sanders

1173
00:54:31.840 --> 00:54:34.599
<v Speaker 10>and in my opinion, the best player in college football

1174
00:54:34.800 --> 00:54:38.280
<v Speaker 10>in Travis Hunter. But to me, the biggest reason why

1175
00:54:38.280 --> 00:54:40.159
<v Speaker 10>Colro was so much better this year is that they

1176
00:54:40.239 --> 00:54:43.480
<v Speaker 10>really attacked the portal in the trenches offensive line and

1177
00:54:43.599 --> 00:54:46.440
<v Speaker 10>defensive line. Also got the number one offensive lineman in

1178
00:54:46.480 --> 00:54:48.360
<v Speaker 10>the country coming out of high school in Jordan Steens

1179
00:54:48.360 --> 00:54:51.719
<v Speaker 10>playing great left tackle. That's the biggest difference between Colorado

1180
00:54:51.800 --> 00:54:52.639
<v Speaker 10>last year and this year.

1181
00:54:53.400 --> 00:54:56.840
<v Speaker 2>All right, from a macro standpoint, Utah needs two wins

1182
00:54:56.880 --> 00:54:59.239
<v Speaker 2>in our final three games to go bowling, and the

1183
00:54:59.280 --> 00:55:02.480
<v Speaker 2>only thing max worse than playing in a throwaway bowl

1184
00:55:02.519 --> 00:55:05.440
<v Speaker 2>game is not being eligible for one. So it's Colorado

1185
00:55:05.559 --> 00:55:07.599
<v Speaker 2>on the road, as we talked about, it's Iowa stayed

1186
00:55:07.599 --> 00:55:10.480
<v Speaker 2>at home, and then it's UCF on the road. Can

1187
00:55:10.519 --> 00:55:12.559
<v Speaker 2>you talk get two of the final three to go bowling.

1188
00:55:14.559 --> 00:55:17.079
<v Speaker 10>I don't think it will happen, but it's certainly possible.

1189
00:55:17.599 --> 00:55:19.679
<v Speaker 10>I think you can look at the Iowa State and

1190
00:55:20.159 --> 00:55:22.559
<v Speaker 10>UCF games is most likely. I don't think the Colorado

1191
00:55:22.639 --> 00:55:24.920
<v Speaker 10>game is most likely one right now. Obviously you host

1192
00:55:24.960 --> 00:55:26.639
<v Speaker 10>Iowa State and Iostate. It has been having a lot

1193
00:55:26.679 --> 00:55:28.880
<v Speaker 10>of issues. I think IOA Sate could be an interesting

1194
00:55:28.880 --> 00:55:31.320
<v Speaker 10>one because Iowa State's front seven just is not very

1195
00:55:31.360 --> 00:55:33.559
<v Speaker 10>good right now. And not even a front seven. They

1196
00:55:33.599 --> 00:55:35.480
<v Speaker 10>actually run like a front six. It's like a three

1197
00:55:35.519 --> 00:55:38.480
<v Speaker 10>defensi alignment, three linebackers. I think McKay bernarc have a

1198
00:55:38.519 --> 00:55:40.679
<v Speaker 10>big day against Iowa State, honestly, that could lead to

1199
00:55:40.760 --> 00:55:43.599
<v Speaker 10>Utah to a victory. Then u CF is another team

1200
00:55:43.639 --> 00:55:45.840
<v Speaker 10>I think Utah could beat as well. Will they win

1201
00:55:45.880 --> 00:55:48.000
<v Speaker 10>both those games, I don't know. Will they win two

1202
00:55:48.079 --> 00:55:50.760
<v Speaker 10>these three games, I don't know, but I think those

1203
00:55:50.840 --> 00:55:53.119
<v Speaker 10>last two, especially those are the most winnable in my opinion.

1204
00:55:53.559 --> 00:55:56.719
<v Speaker 2>All right, Mack, So, as you know, to start the season,

1205
00:55:56.960 --> 00:55:59.280
<v Speaker 2>everybody was wrong about the Big twelve, as we know,

1206
00:56:00.119 --> 00:56:02.000
<v Speaker 2>and it seemed to be and there was a little

1207
00:56:02.000 --> 00:56:04.360
<v Speaker 2>bit of variance, but not much. You know, the three

1208
00:56:04.400 --> 00:56:08.000
<v Speaker 2>teams that were picked most to win the conference where Utah,

1209
00:56:08.599 --> 00:56:12.360
<v Speaker 2>Kansas State, and Oklahoma State. So there were a few

1210
00:56:12.400 --> 00:56:16.039
<v Speaker 2>Iowa states in there, but really not nobody picked Brigham Young.

1211
00:56:16.079 --> 00:56:18.800
<v Speaker 2>I didn't see anybody pick Colorado, at least any serious person.

1212
00:56:19.559 --> 00:56:22.119
<v Speaker 2>And so it leads me because Kansas State is still

1213
00:56:22.159 --> 00:56:25.000
<v Speaker 2>had a very good year. But if Utah is disappointing,

1214
00:56:25.159 --> 00:56:29.119
<v Speaker 2>Oklahoma State is shocking. They have not won a conference game.

1215
00:56:29.599 --> 00:56:31.840
<v Speaker 2>They're three and seven overall. What did we get so

1216
00:56:31.920 --> 00:56:34.320
<v Speaker 2>wrong about Oklahoma State? And why has their season just

1217
00:56:34.440 --> 00:56:36.159
<v Speaker 2>been so disastrous?

1218
00:56:37.000 --> 00:56:39.800
<v Speaker 10>The reason biggest is for me that Oli Gordon is

1219
00:56:39.920 --> 00:56:41.920
<v Speaker 10>a shell of himself right now. He went for the

1220
00:56:41.920 --> 00:56:44.400
<v Speaker 10>best running back in college football last year to nowhere

1221
00:56:44.440 --> 00:56:47.119
<v Speaker 10>even close this year, honestly, And I understand the offensive

1222
00:56:47.119 --> 00:56:49.239
<v Speaker 10>line run blocking why it still wasn't very good, but

1223
00:56:49.480 --> 00:56:51.400
<v Speaker 10>it wasn't very good last year either. He still ran

1224
00:56:51.440 --> 00:56:53.800
<v Speaker 10>for almost two thousand yards, so that you take away that,

1225
00:56:53.960 --> 00:56:55.719
<v Speaker 10>and now all of a sudden, you know they were

1226
00:56:55.760 --> 00:56:58.400
<v Speaker 10>really planning on, you know, riding Oli Gordon on their

1227
00:56:58.440 --> 00:57:01.280
<v Speaker 10>offense and they just haven't had that. Now, all of

1228
00:57:01.280 --> 00:57:03.440
<v Speaker 10>a sudden, you got to rely on the quarterback play

1229
00:57:03.440 --> 00:57:05.599
<v Speaker 10>and the receivers to do that. I like the receivers,

1230
00:57:05.599 --> 00:57:07.880
<v Speaker 10>but the correct position for them has just been a

1231
00:57:07.880 --> 00:57:11.039
<v Speaker 10>disaster for them, honestly, and defensively, they have the worst

1232
00:57:11.119 --> 00:57:13.559
<v Speaker 10>run degrade in the entire Power Four and in the

1233
00:57:13.559 --> 00:57:15.960
<v Speaker 10>Big Twelve, where pretty much everyone can run the football

1234
00:57:15.960 --> 00:57:18.119
<v Speaker 10>on elite level. It's a big problem, right if you

1235
00:57:18.159 --> 00:57:20.239
<v Speaker 10>can't defend the run. And like I said, Oklahoma State

1236
00:57:20.480 --> 00:57:22.679
<v Speaker 10>has the worst run d grade in the entire Power

1237
00:57:22.679 --> 00:57:26.039
<v Speaker 10>four this year. So that to me, their inability to

1238
00:57:26.159 --> 00:57:28.559
<v Speaker 10>run the ball and their inability to stop the run,

1239
00:57:28.920 --> 00:57:31.199
<v Speaker 10>that's just what's a disastrous year for the Cowboys.

1240
00:57:31.559 --> 00:57:33.480
<v Speaker 2>All right, before I set you loose, one more question

1241
00:57:33.519 --> 00:57:36.719
<v Speaker 2>about BYU because we'll see what the CFP rankings have

1242
00:57:36.800 --> 00:57:39.679
<v Speaker 2>to say tonight, and then you know, as the season

1243
00:57:39.760 --> 00:57:42.280
<v Speaker 2>goes on, we'll understand what the bracket looks like, because

1244
00:57:42.320 --> 00:57:45.000
<v Speaker 2>the rankings are not the seedings as we know. But

1245
00:57:45.159 --> 00:57:48.119
<v Speaker 2>if we operate off the hypothetical BYU goes to Dallas,

1246
00:57:48.159 --> 00:57:49.440
<v Speaker 2>they do what they have to do to get to

1247
00:57:49.440 --> 00:57:51.840
<v Speaker 2>the Big Twelve Championship, they win that they're in as

1248
00:57:51.880 --> 00:57:55.039
<v Speaker 2>a top four seed first round. By if the second

1249
00:57:55.119 --> 00:57:59.840
<v Speaker 2>round matchup is what is you know, Ohio State or

1250
00:58:00.119 --> 00:58:03.559
<v Speaker 2>somebody like that, Like somebody who is either Ohio State

1251
00:58:03.599 --> 00:58:06.440
<v Speaker 2>Penn State lives in that cul de sac. We know

1252
00:58:06.599 --> 00:58:09.639
<v Speaker 2>BYU is good. You can't have any questions left about that.

1253
00:58:09.840 --> 00:58:12.239
<v Speaker 2>If you still have questions, it means you're probably a

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00:58:12.280 --> 00:58:16.639
<v Speaker 2>hater or ultimately you know you've you're poking holes and

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00:58:16.760 --> 00:58:18.920
<v Speaker 2>things that at this point through nine games have not

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<v Speaker 2>led to a loss. You beat the teams across from you,

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00:58:21.480 --> 00:58:23.800
<v Speaker 2>You do it however you have to, if there's a

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00:58:23.800 --> 00:58:25.840
<v Speaker 2>little luck or magic involved or whatever it is.

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00:58:25.880 --> 00:58:27.960
<v Speaker 1>That's the deal. So we know they're good.

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00:58:28.320 --> 00:58:32.079
<v Speaker 2>Are they good enough to compete with the legitimate top

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00:58:32.159 --> 00:58:34.559
<v Speaker 2>you know, three, four or five teams in college football

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<v Speaker 2>this year?

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<v Speaker 10>I think I can compete. I'm not going to pick

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00:58:39.480 --> 00:58:42.519
<v Speaker 10>them to win, honestly. I think, like I said, I

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<v Speaker 10>think bou deserve to be ranked in the top five

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<v Speaker 10>in the nation. Right now. Does that mean I think

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00:58:47.000 --> 00:58:49.199
<v Speaker 10>they are actually a top five team in the country. No,

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00:58:49.840 --> 00:58:51.840
<v Speaker 10>But I think it's a whole different argument. Right So

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00:58:52.480 --> 00:58:54.800
<v Speaker 10>they're definitely not gonna be favored against those teams, and

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00:58:55.000 --> 00:58:57.840
<v Speaker 10>probably even maybe even more than a touchdown spread to

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00:58:57.840 --> 00:59:00.000
<v Speaker 10>be honestly, you those in that second round playoff game,

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00:59:00.119 --> 00:59:03.679
<v Speaker 10>but I think it's possible they could beat them up. Obviously,

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00:59:03.719 --> 00:59:06.119
<v Speaker 10>like Penn State or Ohio State, they're very beatable. We've

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00:59:06.119 --> 00:59:07.960
<v Speaker 10>seen that in the past, and BA is a pretty

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00:59:07.960 --> 00:59:11.000
<v Speaker 10>good team as well. But I'm not I'm probably gonna

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<v Speaker 10>pick BYU to lose in the second round depending on

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00:59:13.400 --> 00:59:16.079
<v Speaker 10>who they play. But they are certainly they're very good

1278
00:59:16.119 --> 00:59:17.760
<v Speaker 10>to know me wrong, but I just a's a whole

1279
00:59:17.800 --> 00:59:20.679
<v Speaker 10>different level that you're talking about the highest state as well,

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00:59:20.760 --> 00:59:23.199
<v Speaker 10>so they certainly have a chance. I'm not taking that

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00:59:23.239 --> 00:59:25.239
<v Speaker 10>away from them, but we'll see what happens in the

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00:59:25.280 --> 00:59:25.800
<v Speaker 10>second round.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Where can people go get all your work? Max?

1284
00:59:29.400 --> 00:59:31.119
<v Speaker 10>Yeah, you can find it all PFF dot com. And

1285
00:59:31.159 --> 00:59:33.280
<v Speaker 10>you want to watch the PF College Football Show US

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00:59:33.280 --> 00:59:35.440
<v Speaker 10>on YouTube. We're actually going live in about forty five

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00:59:35.519 --> 00:59:38.159
<v Speaker 10>minutes to go for a week twelve preview show actually

1288
00:59:38.199 --> 00:59:41.920
<v Speaker 10>previewing the the BYU game and also the Utah game

1289
00:59:41.920 --> 00:59:43.159
<v Speaker 10>as well. To make sure you guys check out the

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00:59:43.199 --> 00:59:46.800
<v Speaker 10>People Collefortball Show on YouTube and anywhere you get podcasts.

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00:59:46.920 --> 00:59:49.320
<v Speaker 1>All right, buddy, appreciate the time, have a good show today. Okay,

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00:59:50.239 --> 00:59:52.239
<v Speaker 1>Thanks I appreciate you, all right, Max Chadwick.

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00:59:52.239 --> 00:59:55.159
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<v Speaker 1>Alright, buddy, JP Junger is going to roll by in studio.

1303
01:00:21.519 --> 01:00:24.599
<v Speaker 2>JP currently is wearing a bunch of different hats. He

1304
01:00:24.639 --> 01:00:28.280
<v Speaker 2>formerly was the producer of this radio program. Now he

1305
01:00:28.400 --> 01:00:30.960
<v Speaker 2>is the voice of the Utah Royals, he is the

1306
01:00:31.000 --> 01:00:33.239
<v Speaker 2>voice of the Salt Lake City Stars, and he's still

1307
01:00:33.239 --> 01:00:36.119
<v Speaker 2>doing podcasting for the Utah Jazz Radio Network. You're back

1308
01:00:36.159 --> 01:00:39.199
<v Speaker 2>to some college football in the five o'clock hour. The

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01:00:39.280 --> 01:00:42.360
<v Speaker 2>Kyle Whittingham Coaches Show comes your way at six o'clock tonight.

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01:00:42.360 --> 01:00:45.639
<v Speaker 2>Should be an entertaining one this evening after a tough weekend.

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01:00:46.239 --> 01:00:47.719
<v Speaker 1>So we have one coach at six.

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01:00:47.760 --> 01:00:49.559
<v Speaker 2>We have one coach right now we'll do some Utah

1313
01:00:49.599 --> 01:00:52.559
<v Speaker 2>women's hoops around the road against Northwestern on Thursday night,

1314
01:00:52.679 --> 01:00:55.920
<v Speaker 2>five o'clock start time, and coach Lynn Roberts back on

1315
01:00:55.920 --> 01:00:58.079
<v Speaker 2>the drive on a Tuesday, coach, Happy Tuesday.

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01:00:58.119 --> 01:00:58.480
<v Speaker 1>How are you.

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01:00:59.599 --> 01:01:00.480
<v Speaker 5>I'm doing great?

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01:01:00.480 --> 01:01:01.039
<v Speaker 9>How are you?

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01:01:01.360 --> 01:01:02.559
<v Speaker 1>I'm well? I'm well. All right.

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<v Speaker 2>So some new faces, some familiar faces, a two and

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01:01:06.639 --> 01:01:09.559
<v Speaker 2>oh start. Neither game has been relatively close. We'll kind

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01:01:09.559 --> 01:01:11.840
<v Speaker 2>of get to what's next. I do want to talk

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01:01:11.880 --> 01:01:14.760
<v Speaker 2>about this interesting change of conference and what it means

1324
01:01:14.760 --> 01:01:18.039
<v Speaker 2>for your program. But from a macro standpoint, what should

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01:01:18.039 --> 01:01:20.519
<v Speaker 2>we know about your team this year? Again, a lot

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01:01:20.519 --> 01:01:22.760
<v Speaker 2>of faces coming back and some new faces added to

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01:01:23.199 --> 01:01:23.639
<v Speaker 2>the puzzle.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I think that's well said. You know, we have

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01:01:26.639 --> 01:01:30.599
<v Speaker 5>our core group back. Gianna Niapkin's returning All American, has

1330
01:01:30.639 --> 01:01:34.719
<v Speaker 5>two years left, Kenny McQueen, the hender for Utah Local

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01:01:35.400 --> 01:01:37.960
<v Speaker 5>UH and Jenna Johnson. Those guys are all seniors in

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01:01:38.119 --> 01:01:42.639
<v Speaker 5>Eshvita back, Matty Wilke back. We've got some good ones

1333
01:01:42.840 --> 01:01:45.719
<v Speaker 5>and you know a lot of preseason lists for point

1334
01:01:45.719 --> 01:01:47.880
<v Speaker 5>guard of the Year with a Nash and Jenna's on

1335
01:01:47.920 --> 01:01:50.880
<v Speaker 5>the power forward of the year, you know, one of ten,

1336
01:01:50.960 --> 01:01:52.559
<v Speaker 5>one of ten, one of ten. So we've got some

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01:01:52.639 --> 01:01:55.079
<v Speaker 5>good guys back that have been in this program for

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01:01:55.599 --> 01:01:59.159
<v Speaker 5>you know, three years, four years, and they also you know,

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01:01:59.440 --> 01:02:02.559
<v Speaker 5>beyond being upper class, and they have a lot of experience.

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<v Speaker 9>You know, they've all every.

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01:02:03.719 --> 01:02:05.920
<v Speaker 5>Year they've been here, they've advanced in the NCAA tournament,

1342
01:02:05.960 --> 01:02:09.159
<v Speaker 5>and they've won Tactal Championship. Like, there's just a lot

1343
01:02:09.159 --> 01:02:13.000
<v Speaker 5>of experience, not just age experience, but big game experience

1344
01:02:13.000 --> 01:02:15.719
<v Speaker 5>in winning. So that's a luxury as a coach. But

1345
01:02:15.760 --> 01:02:18.119
<v Speaker 5>then we also have three really good freshmen and a

1346
01:02:18.159 --> 01:02:20.199
<v Speaker 5>couple of transfers that I really like, and then some

1347
01:02:20.320 --> 01:02:23.239
<v Speaker 5>key role players back that are you know, they've improved.

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01:02:23.280 --> 01:02:25.280
<v Speaker 5>So I like our roster. It's a great mix of

1349
01:02:25.400 --> 01:02:29.360
<v Speaker 5>new plus just experienced veterans. So I think that's a

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01:02:29.400 --> 01:02:32.960
<v Speaker 5>good balance. When you're looking at the season, Well.

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01:02:32.760 --> 01:02:34.639
<v Speaker 2>When you lose an all time great, it's tough to

1352
01:02:34.760 --> 01:02:38.320
<v Speaker 2>make up for the absence. And Alyssa's now moved on

1353
01:02:38.400 --> 01:02:40.239
<v Speaker 2>to pro basketball in Minnesota.

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01:02:40.599 --> 01:02:42.840
<v Speaker 1>What have you tried to do so far?

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01:02:43.360 --> 01:02:45.400
<v Speaker 2>I guess you're just relying on, you know, the girls

1356
01:02:45.440 --> 01:02:48.000
<v Speaker 2>that have been in your program. But again, don't you

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01:02:48.039 --> 01:02:51.360
<v Speaker 2>don't just replace somebody who is historically great. So how

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01:02:51.360 --> 01:02:53.639
<v Speaker 2>are you going about kind of a big hole that

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01:02:53.679 --> 01:02:54.840
<v Speaker 2>Alyssa leaves behind?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I mean you don't. It's not, as I've said

1361
01:02:58.320 --> 01:03:00.880
<v Speaker 5>a lot, like, it's not zero sum or she graduates

1362
01:03:00.880 --> 01:03:02.599
<v Speaker 5>and you bring in somebody and you wipe her hands

1363
01:03:02.639 --> 01:03:04.679
<v Speaker 5>clean like hey done. Like it's just it doesn't work

1364
01:03:04.719 --> 01:03:08.960
<v Speaker 5>that way. And but where it's not like she was

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01:03:09.039 --> 01:03:11.679
<v Speaker 5>the entire program either. I think the system played for her.

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01:03:11.719 --> 01:03:15.639
<v Speaker 5>She was an incredible generational talent. But we had a

1367
01:03:15.679 --> 01:03:18.480
<v Speaker 5>lot of good players around her too, And so those

1368
01:03:18.519 --> 01:03:20.519
<v Speaker 5>guys you know, are going to step up, like you

1369
01:03:20.599 --> 01:03:25.400
<v Speaker 5>mentioned and be in some bigger, more uh scoring reliant roles.

1370
01:03:26.199 --> 01:03:28.960
<v Speaker 5>But then we've got we've got a transfer, a grad

1371
01:03:29.000 --> 01:03:33.119
<v Speaker 5>transfer from she's originally from France, graduated at Rhode Island.

1372
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<v Speaker 5>It was all big East out there, and so she

1373
01:03:36.679 --> 01:03:38.960
<v Speaker 5>you know, six three sixty four, really long athletics. She

1374
01:03:38.960 --> 01:03:42.079
<v Speaker 5>had twenty two points in our second game. She's good

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01:03:42.360 --> 01:03:45.559
<v Speaker 5>and she's going to help fill some need there. And

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01:03:45.599 --> 01:03:48.159
<v Speaker 5>then it's just, you know, it's my job to put

1377
01:03:48.199 --> 01:03:51.840
<v Speaker 5>our best scoring, our best players and positions to have

1378
01:03:51.880 --> 01:03:54.960
<v Speaker 5>the most impact. But we certainly have the talent to

1379
01:03:55.079 --> 01:03:58.840
<v Speaker 5>make up for it, and that's you know, while it's

1380
01:03:58.880 --> 01:04:01.400
<v Speaker 5>definitely is a loss, it's not something that stresses me

1381
01:04:01.440 --> 01:04:04.360
<v Speaker 5>out in terms of can we still be as effective,

1382
01:04:04.360 --> 01:04:05.000
<v Speaker 5>if not better?

1383
01:04:05.800 --> 01:04:08.320
<v Speaker 2>Through two games? You're still playing the same type of

1384
01:04:08.480 --> 01:04:11.519
<v Speaker 2>flow system. Everybody touches the ball, the ball move. You

1385
01:04:11.559 --> 01:04:13.280
<v Speaker 2>still like to shoot a lot of threes. You know,

1386
01:04:13.480 --> 01:04:16.199
<v Speaker 2>it does look like your style of play. I wonder

1387
01:04:16.239 --> 01:04:19.440
<v Speaker 2>how much of that is based off of And look,

1388
01:04:19.480 --> 01:04:21.199
<v Speaker 2>you do have a lot of players who have been

1389
01:04:21.199 --> 01:04:24.760
<v Speaker 2>in the program, But do you decide exactly what you

1390
01:04:24.800 --> 01:04:27.760
<v Speaker 2>will implement based off of your personnel or you a

1391
01:04:27.800 --> 01:04:30.159
<v Speaker 2>coach that says this is how I know to win,

1392
01:04:30.840 --> 01:04:33.119
<v Speaker 2>and you're going to play in this system, Like, how

1393
01:04:33.159 --> 01:04:35.400
<v Speaker 2>does that process play itself out prior to the start

1394
01:04:35.440 --> 01:04:35.840
<v Speaker 2>of the year.

1395
01:04:37.440 --> 01:04:39.400
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I think a little bit of both. I think

1396
01:04:39.760 --> 01:04:43.239
<v Speaker 5>our philosophy remains the same in terms of the way

1397
01:04:43.280 --> 01:04:46.320
<v Speaker 5>we want to play the game. The nuances of that

1398
01:04:46.519 --> 01:04:48.639
<v Speaker 5>it depends on who your players are right now. The

1399
01:04:48.760 --> 01:04:51.400
<v Speaker 5>luxury is that we get to recruit players that fit

1400
01:04:51.440 --> 01:04:54.719
<v Speaker 5>our system. So if somebody cannot shoot at all, we

1401
01:04:54.760 --> 01:04:56.400
<v Speaker 5>probably won't recruit them. That doesn't mean they're not a

1402
01:04:56.400 --> 01:04:58.159
<v Speaker 5>good player, but they're just not a good fit for us,

1403
01:04:59.400 --> 01:05:02.639
<v Speaker 5>and so you know, we're we're recruiting now to the system,

1404
01:05:03.679 --> 01:05:06.480
<v Speaker 5>But every year is nuanced. And even if we've got

1405
01:05:06.519 --> 01:05:09.840
<v Speaker 5>a bunch of players back and it's you know, a

1406
01:05:09.840 --> 01:05:12.400
<v Speaker 5>lot of the same ingredients, it's still a different recipe.

1407
01:05:12.400 --> 01:05:15.440
<v Speaker 5>Every year is different and that's the fun part of coaching,

1408
01:05:15.760 --> 01:05:19.320
<v Speaker 5>and you've got to keep it new. And so we're

1409
01:05:19.360 --> 01:05:22.559
<v Speaker 5>doing some different things than are nuances, But in terms

1410
01:05:22.559 --> 01:05:26.639
<v Speaker 5>of the philosophy of pace and tempo and space and

1411
01:05:27.519 --> 01:05:29.960
<v Speaker 5>great shot selection, that'll that'll be the same as long

1412
01:05:30.000 --> 01:05:30.679
<v Speaker 5>as I'm coaching.

1413
01:05:31.199 --> 01:05:36.280
<v Speaker 2>How has your recent success conference championships NCAA tournaments, how

1414
01:05:36.320 --> 01:05:39.719
<v Speaker 2>has that affected your ability to recruit on the trail

1415
01:05:39.840 --> 01:05:42.280
<v Speaker 2>to get into doors that maybe three four years ago

1416
01:05:42.320 --> 01:05:43.440
<v Speaker 2>you were not able to get into.

1417
01:05:44.440 --> 01:05:45.119
<v Speaker 9>Yeah, for sure.

1418
01:05:45.239 --> 01:05:49.119
<v Speaker 5>I mean great players want to want to win, right

1419
01:05:49.719 --> 01:05:52.679
<v Speaker 5>and they want to be around other great players. And

1420
01:05:52.719 --> 01:05:55.239
<v Speaker 5>so you know, we're fortunate to be at a spot

1421
01:05:55.280 --> 01:05:59.719
<v Speaker 5>with our program where we're nationally known and respected and

1422
01:05:59.760 --> 01:06:02.880
<v Speaker 5>we've kind of earned our earned our keep a little

1423
01:06:02.880 --> 01:06:07.440
<v Speaker 5>bit to where we have. You know, we're able, we

1424
01:06:07.519 --> 01:06:09.480
<v Speaker 5>have the ability to get in there, and you know,

1425
01:06:09.599 --> 01:06:12.760
<v Speaker 5>another huge part of that is our home crowd attendance.

1426
01:06:13.360 --> 01:06:17.280
<v Speaker 5>You know, last season we averaged seventy two hundred. When

1427
01:06:17.280 --> 01:06:19.519
<v Speaker 5>I got the job ten nine and a half years ago,

1428
01:06:19.519 --> 01:06:21.480
<v Speaker 5>we had the year before I got here, they averaged

1429
01:06:21.480 --> 01:06:25.079
<v Speaker 5>six hundred and fifty four people, And so we're up

1430
01:06:25.119 --> 01:06:28.000
<v Speaker 5>to seventy two hundred. And that's a huge part of

1431
01:06:28.039 --> 01:06:30.119
<v Speaker 5>recruiting kids. You know, if you're an elite player, you

1432
01:06:30.119 --> 01:06:31.679
<v Speaker 5>want to play in front of a great home crowd,

1433
01:06:31.719 --> 01:06:33.639
<v Speaker 5>and we want to keep building that. You know, my

1434
01:06:33.719 --> 01:06:35.400
<v Speaker 5>goal is to get to ten thousand and be like

1435
01:06:36.639 --> 01:06:40.079
<v Speaker 5>you know, Iowa and Yukon and those types of places

1436
01:06:40.079 --> 01:06:43.519
<v Speaker 5>that have historically had great crowds, like that's South Carolina,

1437
01:06:43.639 --> 01:06:46.880
<v Speaker 5>Like that's that's the next step. I'm certainly not content

1438
01:06:46.920 --> 01:06:48.559
<v Speaker 5>with where we are, and we just want to keep pushing.

1439
01:06:49.800 --> 01:06:52.159
<v Speaker 1>Is this your tenth year? Yes?

1440
01:06:52.199 --> 01:06:53.000
<v Speaker 5>Can you believe it?

1441
01:06:54.119 --> 01:06:55.360
<v Speaker 1>I feel like you just got hired.

1442
01:06:56.239 --> 01:06:58.920
<v Speaker 5>I know me too, But the bags under my.

1443
01:06:58.880 --> 01:07:04.239
<v Speaker 2>Eyes, Well, tenth year is the head coach, but the

1444
01:07:04.280 --> 01:07:06.559
<v Speaker 2>first year as the head coach in the Big twelve.

1445
01:07:06.639 --> 01:07:10.239
<v Speaker 2>And you know, look, it doesn't necessarily this is just

1446
01:07:10.280 --> 01:07:14.119
<v Speaker 2>my opinion, Len, it doesn't necessarily adversely affect you the

1447
01:07:14.119 --> 01:07:16.800
<v Speaker 2>way that it does Craig, because the Big twelve conference

1448
01:07:16.840 --> 01:07:20.400
<v Speaker 2>on the men's side is ridiculous, But I feel like

1449
01:07:20.519 --> 01:07:24.159
<v Speaker 2>the PAC twelve on the women's side may have been

1450
01:07:24.360 --> 01:07:27.800
<v Speaker 2>a superior conference overall, or maybe it's pretty close. As

1451
01:07:27.840 --> 01:07:30.639
<v Speaker 2>of now, looks like we've got four teams in the

1452
01:07:30.639 --> 01:07:33.159
<v Speaker 2>top twenty five. Yes, after two games, l we're going

1453
01:07:33.199 --> 01:07:36.599
<v Speaker 2>to break down the top twenty five. Iowa, Stayed, Case State,

1454
01:07:36.719 --> 01:07:40.480
<v Speaker 2>West Virginia, Baylor. But how would you articulate what this

1455
01:07:40.599 --> 01:07:43.320
<v Speaker 2>Big twelve challenge means for the women's side of things?

1456
01:07:43.480 --> 01:07:46.159
<v Speaker 2>Is it better competition? Is it pretty linear? Give me

1457
01:07:46.199 --> 01:07:46.800
<v Speaker 2>your thoughts there.

1458
01:07:48.000 --> 01:07:51.480
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I think I think you're right. I think the

1459
01:07:52.559 --> 01:07:55.880
<v Speaker 5>PAC twelve on the women's basketball side was and this

1460
01:07:55.920 --> 01:07:59.440
<v Speaker 5>is not an opinion, this is statistically factual and in

1461
01:07:59.519 --> 01:08:04.960
<v Speaker 5>terms of tournament, game advancement, statistics, play, you know, all

1462
01:08:05.039 --> 01:08:08.320
<v Speaker 5>the things, net ranking, everything packed twelve on's basketball was

1463
01:08:08.360 --> 01:08:10.960
<v Speaker 5>the best women's basketball conference, And I think what made

1464
01:08:11.000 --> 01:08:15.239
<v Speaker 5>it uniquely elite was that it was from top to

1465
01:08:15.280 --> 01:08:18.880
<v Speaker 5>bottom everybody was really competitive. You know, there's a lot

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01:08:18.960 --> 01:08:22.359
<v Speaker 5>of a lot of population in the West and no

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01:08:22.479 --> 01:08:25.239
<v Speaker 5>other conference that could you know, in the area Power

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01:08:25.279 --> 01:08:27.880
<v Speaker 5>five now Power four, But so there was a lot

1469
01:08:27.880 --> 01:08:31.560
<v Speaker 5>of West Coast talent that we got to stay. We

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01:08:31.840 --> 01:08:34.199
<v Speaker 5>being packed twelve and it was an elite league on

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01:08:34.199 --> 01:08:36.359
<v Speaker 5>the women's side, and maybe you know how you might

1472
01:08:36.399 --> 01:08:38.560
<v Speaker 5>equate the Big Twelve on the men's side, right like

1473
01:08:38.640 --> 01:08:42.439
<v Speaker 5>it was just the best. So you know, everybody kind

1474
01:08:42.439 --> 01:08:46.680
<v Speaker 5>of got absorbed into well not everybody rip Oregon State

1475
01:08:46.680 --> 01:08:50.359
<v Speaker 5>in Washington State, but they'll make it back. Everyone kind

1476
01:08:50.359 --> 01:08:52.479
<v Speaker 5>of got absorbed into other leagues and so we'll all

1477
01:08:52.560 --> 01:08:54.960
<v Speaker 5>kind of be spread out, which I think will you know,

1478
01:08:55.039 --> 01:08:58.680
<v Speaker 5>elevate those leagues too. But the Big Twelve is good.

1479
01:08:58.840 --> 01:09:00.920
<v Speaker 5>You mentioned four teams, but that's not just the only

1480
01:09:00.960 --> 01:09:03.640
<v Speaker 5>four that are good. Arizona's always tough, TCU is good,

1481
01:09:03.680 --> 01:09:07.840
<v Speaker 5>We're good, Colorado's always good. Like it's a good league.

1482
01:09:07.920 --> 01:09:11.000
<v Speaker 5>It's a tough league. And I think for me, you know,

1483
01:09:11.039 --> 01:09:14.039
<v Speaker 5>there's a lot of places being a West Coast kid

1484
01:09:14.079 --> 01:09:15.920
<v Speaker 5>my whole life, there's a lot of places I've never

1485
01:09:16.199 --> 01:09:19.399
<v Speaker 5>you know, competed at. New arenas, new travel, all of that,

1486
01:09:19.479 --> 01:09:22.920
<v Speaker 5>new opponents. But that part's kind of fun too. It's

1487
01:09:22.920 --> 01:09:25.920
<v Speaker 5>a new challenge. Change kind of keeps you sharp, and

1488
01:09:27.079 --> 01:09:29.279
<v Speaker 5>so I'm excited. I'm looking forward to it. I certainly

1489
01:09:29.319 --> 01:09:31.760
<v Speaker 5>don't think it's going to be easy for anybody in

1490
01:09:31.760 --> 01:09:33.680
<v Speaker 5>the Big twelve on the woman's side to cruise through.

1491
01:09:33.720 --> 01:09:35.960
<v Speaker 5>I think it's going to be everyone's going to kind

1492
01:09:35.960 --> 01:09:37.760
<v Speaker 5>of take their lumps. No one's going to go undefeated.

1493
01:09:37.840 --> 01:09:39.640
<v Speaker 5>But I think it's a really, really good league.

1494
01:09:40.159 --> 01:09:41.720
<v Speaker 2>What did you ask because you had a lot of

1495
01:09:41.720 --> 01:09:44.560
<v Speaker 2>players coming back from injury, a lot of and unfortunately

1496
01:09:44.600 --> 01:09:46.720
<v Speaker 2>that was an issue that plagued you at the end

1497
01:09:46.720 --> 01:09:48.600
<v Speaker 2>of last year. So what did you ask during the

1498
01:09:48.640 --> 01:09:51.640
<v Speaker 2>offseason from some of these young women who played for

1499
01:09:51.680 --> 01:09:53.640
<v Speaker 2>you who were hurt to make sure that they were healthy,

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01:09:53.880 --> 01:09:56.119
<v Speaker 2>stay in shape, and were you satisfied with the way

1501
01:09:56.119 --> 01:09:57.840
<v Speaker 2>that your roster came back ready to play.

1502
01:09:58.920 --> 01:10:02.800
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, we've got an unbelievable group that we have to

1503
01:10:02.840 --> 01:10:04.720
<v Speaker 5>and this is the honesty, goodness truth. We have to

1504
01:10:04.960 --> 01:10:07.640
<v Speaker 5>actually lock the gym so they don't get in when

1505
01:10:07.640 --> 01:10:09.800
<v Speaker 5>they're supposed to be having an off day. They are

1506
01:10:09.840 --> 01:10:14.039
<v Speaker 5>so driven and bought in and motivated to be great

1507
01:10:15.399 --> 01:10:18.720
<v Speaker 5>that they work their tails off. So my you know,

1508
01:10:18.880 --> 01:10:21.680
<v Speaker 5>my issue as a coach now is that they overtrain

1509
01:10:23.079 --> 01:10:25.680
<v Speaker 5>more than having to get them going. And that's a

1510
01:10:25.720 --> 01:10:26.479
<v Speaker 5>good problem to have.

1511
01:10:26.600 --> 01:10:27.079
<v Speaker 6>A coach.

1512
01:10:27.079 --> 01:10:27.960
<v Speaker 5>I'll tell you that.

1513
01:10:28.640 --> 01:10:31.039
<v Speaker 2>Of the of the young women you have returning to

1514
01:10:31.039 --> 01:10:33.640
<v Speaker 2>play for you, who would you point out? I would

1515
01:10:33.640 --> 01:10:35.720
<v Speaker 2>imagine Gianna is gonna be on the list as far

1516
01:10:35.800 --> 01:10:39.279
<v Speaker 2>as helping the incoming freshmen of the transfers understand, because

1517
01:10:39.279 --> 01:10:41.000
<v Speaker 2>you can only do so much Lynn as the coach,

1518
01:10:41.039 --> 01:10:42.319
<v Speaker 2>and then they're going to go when they're going to

1519
01:10:42.359 --> 01:10:44.520
<v Speaker 2>go class and they're going to go hang out. So

1520
01:10:44.680 --> 01:10:47.439
<v Speaker 2>who are you kind of leaning on to help you know,

1521
01:10:47.520 --> 01:10:50.000
<v Speaker 2>these new players understand what you ask of them as

1522
01:10:50.079 --> 01:10:51.159
<v Speaker 2>being part of this program.

1523
01:10:52.199 --> 01:10:55.000
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, we've got a handful of players that just breathe

1524
01:10:55.000 --> 01:10:57.920
<v Speaker 5>our culture. They live it and that you know John

1525
01:10:58.000 --> 01:11:02.680
<v Speaker 5>Eapns is one, Jenna Johnson and at Kennedy McQueen, Matty Wilke.

1526
01:11:02.880 --> 01:11:04.640
<v Speaker 5>Those guys, you know, I mentioned em earlier.

1527
01:11:04.680 --> 01:11:05.920
<v Speaker 8>They are the.

1528
01:11:05.920 --> 01:11:09.960
<v Speaker 5>Walking example of what we want and they you know,

1529
01:11:10.000 --> 01:11:12.520
<v Speaker 5>they've completely bought in. And so when your best players

1530
01:11:12.520 --> 01:11:15.399
<v Speaker 5>are doing that, the new guys fall in line. I

1531
01:11:15.439 --> 01:11:17.439
<v Speaker 5>don't have to do a whole lot. It's pretty player

1532
01:11:17.960 --> 01:11:20.760
<v Speaker 5>driven and player led at this point, which is awesome.

1533
01:11:21.479 --> 01:11:23.399
<v Speaker 2>Well, before I said you lewise, you should know that

1534
01:11:23.479 --> 01:11:26.600
<v Speaker 2>the latest bracketology has you in region four in Spokane.

1535
01:11:26.680 --> 01:11:28.600
<v Speaker 2>Is an eight seed play in South Dakota State.

1536
01:11:29.600 --> 01:11:32.800
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, well, oh that's where we were last year. That

1537
01:11:32.920 --> 01:11:35.960
<v Speaker 5>was a great experience, wasn't it? And we played South

1538
01:11:36.000 --> 01:11:39.039
<v Speaker 5>Sacosta State. So I don't anticipate staying as an eight seed.

1539
01:11:39.399 --> 01:11:41.399
<v Speaker 5>The goal is to be a top four and host,

1540
01:11:42.359 --> 01:11:45.680
<v Speaker 5>so I think that's very It's challenging, but it's doable.

1541
01:11:46.840 --> 01:11:49.000
<v Speaker 5>But just like top twenty five polls, I don't pay

1542
01:11:49.079 --> 01:11:51.960
<v Speaker 5>much attention to the bracketology. We just kind of stay

1543
01:11:51.960 --> 01:11:54.439
<v Speaker 5>in our lane and keep our nose down in chop Wood.

1544
01:11:54.439 --> 01:11:56.760
<v Speaker 2>Man, I wouldn't imagine, So I was surprised that there

1545
01:11:56.800 --> 01:11:59.279
<v Speaker 2>was actually a bracketology available for me to look at

1546
01:11:59.279 --> 01:12:02.119
<v Speaker 2>after two non games before I set you loose, tell

1547
01:12:02.159 --> 01:12:04.840
<v Speaker 2>me about Northwestern, your next opponent coming up on Thursday.

1548
01:12:05.680 --> 01:12:08.640
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, you know, I've never in my in my career

1549
01:12:08.680 --> 01:12:12.439
<v Speaker 5>played Northwestern homer away or anywhere, so this is the first.

1550
01:12:13.079 --> 01:12:15.319
<v Speaker 5>I actually don't know if Utah has played Northwestern, that'd

1551
01:12:15.319 --> 01:12:19.239
<v Speaker 5>be a good trivia ever in its history. But yeah,

1552
01:12:19.319 --> 01:12:21.960
<v Speaker 5>I mean, big ten team, they've had a they've they've

1553
01:12:21.960 --> 01:12:26.359
<v Speaker 5>lost a couple of close games against really two really

1554
01:12:26.399 --> 01:12:28.680
<v Speaker 5>good teams. So they're going to be hungry to win,

1555
01:12:29.319 --> 01:12:31.479
<v Speaker 5>and it's you know, our first road game, and it'll

1556
01:12:31.479 --> 01:12:33.359
<v Speaker 5>be a tough challenge. But I think they're well coached

1557
01:12:33.399 --> 01:12:37.159
<v Speaker 5>and they've got, you know, a Big ten roster, so

1558
01:12:37.319 --> 01:12:39.359
<v Speaker 5>we have our hands full. We you know, we're the

1559
01:12:39.439 --> 01:12:41.159
<v Speaker 5>underdog going on the road in the Big ten.

1560
01:12:41.840 --> 01:12:43.000
<v Speaker 1>All right, Lynn, thanks for the time.

1561
01:12:43.039 --> 01:12:45.319
<v Speaker 2>Great to have college hoops back, Safe travels and we'll

1562
01:12:45.359 --> 01:12:45.800
<v Speaker 2>chat again.

1563
01:12:45.840 --> 01:12:48.079
<v Speaker 5>Okay, okay, thanks for having me on.

1564
01:12:48.159 --> 01:12:49.199
<v Speaker 1>All right, Lynn Roberts.

1565
01:12:49.199 --> 01:12:51.960
<v Speaker 2>She's on social media at YOUTE coach at Ute's coach,

1566
01:12:52.039 --> 01:12:54.119
<v Speaker 2>rob is where you find her. And as she referenced,

1567
01:12:54.159 --> 01:12:56.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, one of the things that's allowed her to

1568
01:12:56.119 --> 01:12:59.239
<v Speaker 2>really build this program in the right direction is the

1569
01:12:59.279 --> 01:13:02.439
<v Speaker 2>home attendance what it is now on the women's side.

1570
01:13:02.479 --> 01:13:05.680
<v Speaker 2>They'll be home next on the eighteenth against McNeice. Looks

1571
01:13:05.680 --> 01:13:08.039
<v Speaker 2>like they'll get rolling. They've got Notre Dame coming into

1572
01:13:08.039 --> 01:13:10.880
<v Speaker 2>town on the thirtieth of November. That's the top six

1573
01:13:10.920 --> 01:13:14.079
<v Speaker 2>team in the country. Then the launch into Big twelve

1574
01:13:14.079 --> 01:13:16.359
<v Speaker 2>play a little bit later on. So appreciate Lynn's time.

1575
01:13:17.000 --> 01:13:18.920
<v Speaker 2>War on Drugs came out too long ago with the

1576
01:13:19.039 --> 01:13:23.119
<v Speaker 2>National I watched up top in the VIP section checked

1577
01:13:23.159 --> 01:13:25.800
<v Speaker 2>out the scene and I looked down on the people

1578
01:13:26.000 --> 01:13:28.640
<v Speaker 2>as I typically do, and among the masses, I saw

1579
01:13:29.399 --> 01:13:31.760
<v Speaker 2>our next guest, Bob and has said a little bit,

1580
01:13:32.159 --> 01:13:35.000
<v Speaker 2>maybe a little beverage in hand, not getting two out

1581
01:13:35.000 --> 01:13:38.479
<v Speaker 2>of control, just enjoying the event as a classy gentleman

1582
01:13:38.520 --> 01:13:39.119
<v Speaker 2>would JP.

1583
01:13:39.319 --> 01:13:40.840
<v Speaker 1>John Paul, how was the show?

1584
01:13:40.880 --> 01:13:42.079
<v Speaker 3>Bell? It was tremendous.

1585
01:13:42.159 --> 01:13:42.479
<v Speaker 9>It was.

1586
01:13:42.640 --> 01:13:45.520
<v Speaker 3>They call me the Bill Walton of the War on Drugs.

1587
01:13:46.520 --> 01:13:50.439
<v Speaker 3>I'm always in the middle. I'm crowdsurfing, I'm ready to go.

1588
01:13:50.720 --> 01:13:52.319
<v Speaker 1>That's got to be your brand from now on.

1589
01:13:52.520 --> 01:13:57.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, somebody has to fulfill the legacy of this man.

1590
01:13:57.640 --> 01:13:58.159
<v Speaker 1>I love it.

1591
01:13:58.399 --> 01:14:00.880
<v Speaker 3>Who is my phone background right now? I'm showing it

1592
01:14:00.920 --> 01:14:02.640
<v Speaker 3>to you. I love that you see. And I'm a

1593
01:14:02.680 --> 01:14:03.479
<v Speaker 3>Bill Walton guy.

1594
01:14:03.600 --> 01:14:05.640
<v Speaker 2>I've always said if you don't like Bill Walton, if

1595
01:14:05.680 --> 01:14:08.319
<v Speaker 2>you didn't like Bill Walton, you didn't like fun. But

1596
01:14:08.800 --> 01:14:12.720
<v Speaker 2>now we need you like following I call them WOD

1597
01:14:12.880 --> 01:14:15.600
<v Speaker 2>but whatever. Now we need you following them on tour

1598
01:14:15.920 --> 01:14:19.119
<v Speaker 2>to become like part because you're rising up the ranks

1599
01:14:19.119 --> 01:14:20.960
<v Speaker 2>of broadcasting. We need to add to your brand. And

1600
01:14:20.960 --> 01:14:23.079
<v Speaker 2>maybe that's the Bill Walton of WOD.

1601
01:14:23.119 --> 01:14:25.720
<v Speaker 3>Are the War on Drugs? Playing in Sioux falls against

1602
01:14:25.720 --> 01:14:30.279
<v Speaker 3>the scar Sky Force. Are they in Grand Rapids when

1603
01:14:30.600 --> 01:14:36.880
<v Speaker 3>the Stars are taking on the Gold Are they in Stockton, California?

1604
01:14:37.000 --> 01:14:40.039
<v Speaker 3>When they take on the Kings tomorrow? Then then I'll

1605
01:14:40.079 --> 01:14:42.199
<v Speaker 3>be the Bill Walton of the world.

1606
01:14:42.319 --> 01:14:44.479
<v Speaker 2>So that's JP's way of letting us know that he

1607
01:14:44.560 --> 01:14:45.600
<v Speaker 2>has a new job.

1608
01:14:46.479 --> 01:14:47.840
<v Speaker 1>You're wearing a lot of hats. Now.

1609
01:14:48.279 --> 01:14:51.479
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we've got the Jazz podcast Network, we got Roundball,

1610
01:14:51.560 --> 01:14:55.199
<v Speaker 2>round up my favorite front row. We've got the Royals

1611
01:14:55.319 --> 01:14:58.960
<v Speaker 2>voice of and now we add to the list Voice

1612
01:14:59.000 --> 01:14:59.720
<v Speaker 2>of the Stars.

1613
01:15:00.399 --> 01:15:01.680
<v Speaker 1>Congratulations, young man.

1614
01:15:01.720 --> 01:15:04.640
<v Speaker 2>Tell us about the process and tell us your exciting

1615
01:15:04.760 --> 01:15:05.560
<v Speaker 2>level for this new gig.

1616
01:15:05.680 --> 01:15:08.319
<v Speaker 3>Well, it wouldn't have happened if I didn't do the

1617
01:15:08.359 --> 01:15:10.760
<v Speaker 3>play by play in broadcasting for the Royals, So that

1618
01:15:10.840 --> 01:15:14.279
<v Speaker 3>needs to be said one hundred percent. Those experiences covering

1619
01:15:14.319 --> 01:15:17.279
<v Speaker 3>that team and still covering that team has been a

1620
01:15:17.840 --> 01:15:20.800
<v Speaker 3>real eye opener when it came to play by play

1621
01:15:20.800 --> 01:15:25.079
<v Speaker 3>in my respect. But people saw that they recognize that

1622
01:15:25.640 --> 01:15:29.119
<v Speaker 3>I have a willingness to join the play by play ranks.

1623
01:15:29.239 --> 01:15:33.279
<v Speaker 3>It would appear and I was asked if I would

1624
01:15:33.479 --> 01:15:36.920
<v Speaker 3>do the Salt Lake City Stars, and I said yes,

1625
01:15:37.079 --> 01:15:40.119
<v Speaker 3>Because when you get asked to do something in this business,

1626
01:15:40.119 --> 01:15:42.439
<v Speaker 3>you always have to say yes because the experience is

1627
01:15:42.920 --> 01:15:44.760
<v Speaker 3>only going to be valuable in the other things that

1628
01:15:44.840 --> 01:15:48.640
<v Speaker 3>you do. And I can't wait, and I'm thrilled to

1629
01:15:48.720 --> 01:15:50.560
<v Speaker 3>be a part of the development stories in the g

1630
01:15:50.840 --> 01:15:53.960
<v Speaker 3>As you see the next general managers, the next head coaches,

1631
01:15:53.960 --> 01:15:56.439
<v Speaker 3>the next players, even though they might not be the

1632
01:15:56.479 --> 01:15:59.520
<v Speaker 3>next Kevin Durant in that league, you might find some

1633
01:15:59.600 --> 01:16:02.279
<v Speaker 3>of the real reliable role players that come into the

1634
01:16:02.399 --> 01:16:06.600
<v Speaker 3>National Basketball Association. And it all starts here with the stars.

1635
01:16:06.920 --> 01:16:09.319
<v Speaker 1>Did you and maybe you did? And I just didn't

1636
01:16:09.359 --> 01:16:10.119
<v Speaker 1>know this about you.

1637
01:16:10.680 --> 01:16:14.159
<v Speaker 2>Was play by play always something that you aspired to do?

1638
01:16:14.359 --> 01:16:16.439
<v Speaker 2>Did you always want to call games? I mean, I've

1639
01:16:16.479 --> 01:16:20.239
<v Speaker 2>never really been against it, but it's never something I've

1640
01:16:20.279 --> 01:16:23.560
<v Speaker 2>searched out because I like this intimate medium. I kind

1641
01:16:23.560 --> 01:16:26.560
<v Speaker 2>of like interviewing people long form conversation. I like sports

1642
01:16:26.600 --> 01:16:30.039
<v Speaker 2>talk radio. But you said something that stood out because

1643
01:16:30.119 --> 01:16:32.520
<v Speaker 2>it and it's so true. And I'm not going to

1644
01:16:32.600 --> 01:16:34.640
<v Speaker 2>be the old guy to say, Okay, young people in

1645
01:16:34.640 --> 01:16:37.760
<v Speaker 2>this business, listen up. But when you have an opportunity

1646
01:16:37.800 --> 01:16:40.680
<v Speaker 2>to do something in this business and speak into a

1647
01:16:40.720 --> 01:16:44.279
<v Speaker 2>microphone almost no matter what it is, I mean, I

1648
01:16:44.319 --> 01:16:46.600
<v Speaker 2>did you top basketball pre Aff and Post during the

1649
01:16:46.680 --> 01:16:49.760
<v Speaker 2>Jacoltian Boiling years where I bet four people were listening

1650
01:16:49.840 --> 01:16:52.680
<v Speaker 2>all year long RSL pre Aff and Post for years.

1651
01:16:52.760 --> 01:16:55.039
<v Speaker 2>Like whatever it was, I knew like if somebody gives

1652
01:16:55.079 --> 01:16:57.640
<v Speaker 2>me an opportunity to bark into a microphone, if I

1653
01:16:57.720 --> 01:16:59.680
<v Speaker 2>ever want to do this full time, I have to

1654
01:16:59.680 --> 01:17:02.479
<v Speaker 2>say yes before I actually have stable footing.

1655
01:17:02.600 --> 01:17:02.800
<v Speaker 9>Right.

1656
01:17:03.560 --> 01:17:06.039
<v Speaker 2>So is play by play something that you kind of

1657
01:17:06.039 --> 01:17:09.119
<v Speaker 2>always aspired to or did these opportunities present themselves and

1658
01:17:09.119 --> 01:17:10.560
<v Speaker 2>you're just leaning into it.

1659
01:17:10.560 --> 01:17:14.439
<v Speaker 3>These opportunities presented themselves. I never went out of my

1660
01:17:14.520 --> 01:17:19.159
<v Speaker 3>way to ask can I be the Stars broadcaster? It

1661
01:17:19.279 --> 01:17:23.960
<v Speaker 3>was ultimately brought onto me because of the storytelling element

1662
01:17:24.039 --> 01:17:26.800
<v Speaker 3>that I do with the podcast and the commitment that

1663
01:17:27.159 --> 01:17:30.439
<v Speaker 3>the organization has shown to me and developing what I've

1664
01:17:30.479 --> 01:17:34.720
<v Speaker 3>got going over there, and they thought adding something to

1665
01:17:34.840 --> 01:17:39.119
<v Speaker 3>my plate would only benefit me as I continue to progress.

1666
01:17:39.199 --> 01:17:44.359
<v Speaker 3>And you know, I always thought of myself as an interviewer,

1667
01:17:44.560 --> 01:17:49.680
<v Speaker 3>a storyteller in that respect, by getting someone to sit

1668
01:17:49.760 --> 01:17:52.079
<v Speaker 3>down and really getting to the heart and the meat

1669
01:17:52.079 --> 01:17:56.520
<v Speaker 3>of really good stories. But this play by play thing

1670
01:17:56.680 --> 01:18:00.720
<v Speaker 3>is pretty addictive, and when you talk to people who

1671
01:18:00.840 --> 01:18:05.840
<v Speaker 3>do it. Fortunate to know many people who do you

1672
01:18:06.039 --> 01:18:10.479
<v Speaker 3>hear how excited they get preparing for a game, And me,

1673
01:18:11.159 --> 01:18:15.560
<v Speaker 3>during just this NWSL experience, I was enjoying the preparation

1674
01:18:15.760 --> 01:18:18.399
<v Speaker 3>of the all the players that you have to memorize

1675
01:18:18.399 --> 01:18:21.319
<v Speaker 3>and learn facts and figures about. And they said, if

1676
01:18:21.359 --> 01:18:24.479
<v Speaker 3>you have that, you can be really good at this job,

1677
01:18:24.560 --> 01:18:28.600
<v Speaker 3>because that is a part of the storytelling element and

1678
01:18:29.560 --> 01:18:33.399
<v Speaker 3>making sure that I still have a love of the

1679
01:18:33.439 --> 01:18:38.880
<v Speaker 3>grinding of learning about ad Jason Preston who was a

1680
01:18:38.920 --> 01:18:44.159
<v Speaker 3>basketball blogger for the Pistons before he got himself a

1681
01:18:44.199 --> 01:18:49.680
<v Speaker 3>scholarship to Ohio and bounced around organizations with the Clippers

1682
01:18:49.720 --> 01:18:53.119
<v Speaker 3>and now with the Stars to getting his shot in

1683
01:18:53.159 --> 01:18:57.119
<v Speaker 3>the NBA on a two way contract. The more you

1684
01:18:57.560 --> 01:19:00.800
<v Speaker 3>care about those stories, the more you care about these people,

1685
01:19:00.880 --> 01:19:05.640
<v Speaker 3>the better you are conveying and ultimately sculpting your craft.

1686
01:19:05.640 --> 01:19:08.800
<v Speaker 3>You're never gonna be perfect, not everybody's al Michaels, but

1687
01:19:10.199 --> 01:19:12.520
<v Speaker 3>the more that you tell these stories and learn about

1688
01:19:12.560 --> 01:19:13.479
<v Speaker 3>these people, you get better.

1689
01:19:13.720 --> 01:19:17.359
<v Speaker 2>Al Michaels apparently has a contract rider that stipulates he

1690
01:19:17.399 --> 01:19:21.359
<v Speaker 2>gets a steak at halftime of every game he calls,

1691
01:19:21.439 --> 01:19:23.720
<v Speaker 2>but that's all he claims he's never eaten a vegetable

1692
01:19:23.720 --> 01:19:26.960
<v Speaker 2>ever since he left his parents' house. What will be

1693
01:19:27.039 --> 01:19:30.119
<v Speaker 2>in the JP chunga contract rider when you rise to

1694
01:19:30.159 --> 01:19:32.319
<v Speaker 2>that level? What's the meal at halftime? I have a

1695
01:19:32.359 --> 01:19:34.399
<v Speaker 2>feeling that's going to have something, you know, kind of

1696
01:19:34.399 --> 01:19:34.640
<v Speaker 2>like this.

1697
01:19:34.720 --> 01:19:40.640
<v Speaker 3>Well it's a pastasa, probably a Menican a medical. Look,

1698
01:19:40.680 --> 01:19:43.720
<v Speaker 3>these play by play people are kind of odd ducks.

1699
01:19:43.760 --> 01:19:45.680
<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh, don't get me started.

1700
01:19:46.239 --> 01:19:49.479
<v Speaker 3>Some are odd birds as well, Iron Nice being one

1701
01:19:49.479 --> 01:19:53.359
<v Speaker 3>of them. The man hasn't had a salad his entire life.

1702
01:19:54.239 --> 01:19:57.199
<v Speaker 3>Won't eat a hamburger with a condiment on it.

1703
01:19:57.600 --> 01:20:01.800
<v Speaker 1>Really, yeah, Iron just wants straight bird cheese. No, just

1704
01:20:01.840 --> 01:20:02.359
<v Speaker 1>straight and ea.

1705
01:20:02.840 --> 01:20:06.640
<v Speaker 3>The man is lived his entire life going to some

1706
01:20:06.720 --> 01:20:09.760
<v Speaker 3>of the finest culinary cities across this country and says

1707
01:20:10.239 --> 01:20:12.000
<v Speaker 3>no to condiments, fry sauce.

1708
01:20:12.119 --> 01:20:14.960
<v Speaker 2>Nice try, it's not gonna happen. You can't get weird

1709
01:20:15.000 --> 01:20:17.359
<v Speaker 2>on me, dude. Don't don't get weird as you rise

1710
01:20:17.399 --> 01:20:18.880
<v Speaker 2>the ranks. I'm not gonna let you get weird.

1711
01:20:19.000 --> 01:20:21.640
<v Speaker 3>I think other people are projecting on me, these quirks.

1712
01:20:21.920 --> 01:20:25.279
<v Speaker 3>That's what am. I just secretly quirky that they think,

1713
01:20:25.359 --> 01:20:27.279
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, he should be played by the play broadcast.

1714
01:20:27.359 --> 01:20:29.279
<v Speaker 1>Potentially you said something that's to that, you said, it's

1715
01:20:29.279 --> 01:20:29.840
<v Speaker 1>a dick danme.

1716
01:20:30.159 --> 01:20:35.359
<v Speaker 3>It is interesting, well, because so there's nothing greater than

1717
01:20:35.880 --> 01:20:38.199
<v Speaker 3>cracking my being live on air because you're you're always

1718
01:20:38.199 --> 01:20:40.960
<v Speaker 3>on the tightrope. It's it's the free solo aspect of

1719
01:20:41.000 --> 01:20:45.520
<v Speaker 3>it and times that by twenty when people are tuning

1720
01:20:45.600 --> 01:20:49.439
<v Speaker 3>in not for you, but for the game, because ultimately

1721
01:20:50.760 --> 01:20:53.479
<v Speaker 3>anybody could be doing the broadcast of the game. It

1722
01:20:53.520 --> 01:20:55.880
<v Speaker 3>doesn't matter who it is. So long as you don't

1723
01:20:55.880 --> 01:20:59.359
<v Speaker 3>distract from it and you just add a soundtrack to it,

1724
01:20:59.399 --> 01:21:02.199
<v Speaker 3>you can do a competent job, but it's addicting to

1725
01:21:02.359 --> 01:21:08.560
<v Speaker 3>find the correct word play. When Job does a magnificent

1726
01:21:09.159 --> 01:21:13.199
<v Speaker 3>dunk and Iron calls it a jaw dropper, that's where

1727
01:21:13.239 --> 01:21:16.600
<v Speaker 3>I say, Wow, that's somebody who's at the top of

1728
01:21:16.640 --> 01:21:21.479
<v Speaker 3>his game, crafting the perfect sentence that's going to be

1729
01:21:21.520 --> 01:21:24.199
<v Speaker 3>the headline tomorrow, because ultimately that's the job that you're

1730
01:21:24.199 --> 01:21:27.039
<v Speaker 3>trying to do. You're trying to anticipate the headline for

1731
01:21:27.119 --> 01:21:32.199
<v Speaker 3>tomorrow in your caption today, and so it's addicting to

1732
01:21:32.279 --> 01:21:34.600
<v Speaker 3>try and find the answer to that question when you're

1733
01:21:34.640 --> 01:21:39.119
<v Speaker 3>doing a ballgame because you're you never find you never

1734
01:21:39.239 --> 01:21:41.600
<v Speaker 3>think you have the most perfect broadcast, but it's much

1735
01:21:41.600 --> 01:21:43.520
<v Speaker 3>better than you thought when you review it.

1736
01:21:43.640 --> 01:21:46.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, if you're approaching it the right way because

1737
01:21:47.399 --> 01:21:50.279
<v Speaker 2>you reference the oddities of certain play by play people

1738
01:21:50.840 --> 01:21:51.600
<v Speaker 2>and the ones.

1739
01:21:51.399 --> 01:21:53.000
<v Speaker 1>That are the worst are the ones that are in

1740
01:21:53.039 --> 01:21:54.399
<v Speaker 1>it because of the ego. Right.

1741
01:21:54.600 --> 01:21:57.319
<v Speaker 2>It's just they think it's all about them, right, and

1742
01:21:57.399 --> 01:21:59.600
<v Speaker 2>you know, they probably think they're killing it every time.

1743
01:22:00.279 --> 01:22:03.520
<v Speaker 2>And this job or a play by play gig, we're

1744
01:22:03.520 --> 01:22:06.800
<v Speaker 2>you're calling a game isn't different than any other job

1745
01:22:06.840 --> 01:22:09.359
<v Speaker 2>where some days you have it, sometimes some days you don't.

1746
01:22:09.399 --> 01:22:11.800
<v Speaker 2>And if you're always seeking to get better, you will

1747
01:22:12.479 --> 01:22:14.840
<v Speaker 2>listen to yourself with a critical eye. Like I don't

1748
01:22:14.920 --> 01:22:17.680
<v Speaker 2>like listening to myself. I never have, I never will.

1749
01:22:18.119 --> 01:22:19.880
<v Speaker 2>The only times I will is if I finish an

1750
01:22:19.920 --> 01:22:22.760
<v Speaker 2>interview and I go, that was a bad question, or

1751
01:22:22.800 --> 01:22:25.159
<v Speaker 2>that was I get wordy and my questions as you know,

1752
01:22:25.279 --> 01:22:27.399
<v Speaker 2>as Will Hardy found out last year, Really I do

1753
01:22:27.640 --> 01:22:30.399
<v Speaker 2>like that's a bad habit of mine, but it's a

1754
01:22:30.439 --> 01:22:32.920
<v Speaker 2>habit that comes as a result of being a solo

1755
01:22:32.920 --> 01:22:34.600
<v Speaker 2>host for four hours because you have to fill a

1756
01:22:34.600 --> 01:22:36.680
<v Speaker 2>buster a little bit you have to fill clock, so

1757
01:22:36.800 --> 01:22:39.359
<v Speaker 2>I'll finish an interview. I actually did today earlier with

1758
01:22:39.399 --> 01:22:42.479
<v Speaker 2>Max Chadwick PFF, my guy, and I asked him a

1759
01:22:42.520 --> 01:22:44.640
<v Speaker 2>question about the Utah offense in the second half, and

1760
01:22:44.680 --> 01:22:46.800
<v Speaker 2>then after the interview, I went that was you should

1761
01:22:46.800 --> 01:22:47.199
<v Speaker 2>have given.

1762
01:22:47.119 --> 01:22:47.720
<v Speaker 1>Him more space.

1763
01:22:48.279 --> 01:22:52.079
<v Speaker 2>I inserted like five opinions and there's nothing left to

1764
01:22:52.079 --> 01:22:54.479
<v Speaker 2>talk about if I take up all the bandwidth in

1765
01:22:54.520 --> 01:22:56.439
<v Speaker 2>a question. So the only time I'll go back and

1766
01:22:56.479 --> 01:22:58.560
<v Speaker 2>listen is if I feel like I asked a question

1767
01:22:58.640 --> 01:22:59.359
<v Speaker 2>in a poor way.

1768
01:23:00.079 --> 01:23:02.279
<v Speaker 1>Do you I mean, what do you As far as

1769
01:23:02.319 --> 01:23:02.960
<v Speaker 1>going back.

1770
01:23:02.760 --> 01:23:04.840
<v Speaker 2>And listening to a call or a game, do you

1771
01:23:05.319 --> 01:23:07.760
<v Speaker 2>do that to try to improve here or there?

1772
01:23:07.840 --> 01:23:10.239
<v Speaker 1>Do you earmark certain things during the game? Sale?

1773
01:23:10.239 --> 01:23:12.159
<v Speaker 2>I need to go hear how I handle that, Like

1774
01:23:12.159 --> 01:23:13.479
<v Speaker 2>how do you approach that dynamic?

1775
01:23:13.640 --> 01:23:15.560
<v Speaker 3>I would start by re listening to that question that

1776
01:23:15.600 --> 01:23:18.600
<v Speaker 3>you just asked me. Yeah, but it was worthy. It

1777
01:23:18.680 --> 01:23:20.199
<v Speaker 3>was a little wordy, but that's okay.

1778
01:23:20.319 --> 01:23:22.520
<v Speaker 1>That's who I am. That's a radio, it's your show.

1779
01:23:23.199 --> 01:23:25.600
<v Speaker 3>I listened to it no matter what. Oh really, I

1780
01:23:26.000 --> 01:23:28.680
<v Speaker 3>really do. If I get tired of listening to myself,

1781
01:23:28.720 --> 01:23:31.199
<v Speaker 3>then I'm not improving. I have to listen to a

1782
01:23:31.720 --> 01:23:33.800
<v Speaker 3>bare minimum and I know this is going to get

1783
01:23:34.000 --> 01:23:36.119
<v Speaker 3>tricky because they're going to be back to backs in

1784
01:23:36.159 --> 01:23:39.840
<v Speaker 3>the G League, but at bare minimum a half of

1785
01:23:39.920 --> 01:23:43.399
<v Speaker 3>anything that I call before the next game, and I

1786
01:23:43.479 --> 01:23:47.239
<v Speaker 3>try to leave a couple days of space in between

1787
01:23:47.760 --> 01:23:51.800
<v Speaker 3>calling the game and the next match. At least for soccer.

1788
01:23:51.800 --> 01:23:54.640
<v Speaker 3>It's I've had the luxury of having so much more

1789
01:23:54.680 --> 01:24:01.920
<v Speaker 3>time but critiquing everything. If if I'm the toughest critic

1790
01:24:02.159 --> 01:24:04.600
<v Speaker 3>on myself than when I send it out to somebody

1791
01:24:04.600 --> 01:24:08.239
<v Speaker 3>one of my play by play friends, I know I've

1792
01:24:08.239 --> 01:24:11.600
<v Speaker 3>already thrown every punch at myself that I can. I

1793
01:24:11.640 --> 01:24:13.960
<v Speaker 3>just need to know specifically on things when I ask

1794
01:24:14.079 --> 01:24:16.760
<v Speaker 3>other people. You know, Guy Haberman, who he may know,

1795
01:24:17.560 --> 01:24:20.560
<v Speaker 3>comes on the show so right the program, Uh, he

1796
01:24:20.720 --> 01:24:26.000
<v Speaker 3>said something pretty insightful that it's about when when you're

1797
01:24:26.000 --> 01:24:30.239
<v Speaker 3>asking for feedback from others, be very direct, because otherwise

1798
01:24:31.079 --> 01:24:33.359
<v Speaker 3>the whole thing is in six months, you're gonna get

1799
01:24:33.359 --> 01:24:36.800
<v Speaker 3>better just by naturally doing it every single day or

1800
01:24:36.840 --> 01:24:38.760
<v Speaker 3>every single game, You're just going to be better in

1801
01:24:38.800 --> 01:24:43.560
<v Speaker 3>six months. And the most bland, run of the mill

1802
01:24:44.359 --> 01:24:47.960
<v Speaker 3>advice that a broadcast can give to another keep doing it.

1803
01:24:48.000 --> 01:24:49.640
<v Speaker 3>You're on the right track, you know.

1804
01:24:49.720 --> 01:24:49.960
<v Speaker 10>Like you.

1805
01:24:51.600 --> 01:24:52.119
<v Speaker 1>Need reps.

1806
01:24:53.039 --> 01:24:55.640
<v Speaker 3>But it's so true. In six months, I will be

1807
01:24:55.640 --> 01:24:58.039
<v Speaker 3>better than the very first game that I do on

1808
01:24:58.119 --> 01:25:02.600
<v Speaker 3>Monday against the Rips Remix, which you can always catch

1809
01:25:02.640 --> 01:25:06.079
<v Speaker 3>us Stars at the Maverick Center. Tickets available at Salt

1810
01:25:06.159 --> 01:25:09.399
<v Speaker 3>Lake City Stars dot com. But I'm going to be

1811
01:25:09.399 --> 01:25:10.680
<v Speaker 3>better in six months.

1812
01:25:10.760 --> 01:25:11.159
<v Speaker 9>I need to.

1813
01:25:11.199 --> 01:25:14.319
<v Speaker 3>When I go to other people, ask them specifically, is

1814
01:25:14.319 --> 01:25:16.439
<v Speaker 3>this how you would handle a situation? There was a

1815
01:25:16.560 --> 01:25:19.600
<v Speaker 3>big injury in this moment. I don't know if I

1816
01:25:19.640 --> 01:25:23.399
<v Speaker 3>handled it correctly where I wasn't assuming too much on

1817
01:25:23.479 --> 01:25:25.640
<v Speaker 3>the field, where I wasn't making assumptions, and I was

1818
01:25:25.760 --> 01:25:28.239
<v Speaker 3>leaving it a little bit of time to breathe for

1819
01:25:28.279 --> 01:25:30.760
<v Speaker 3>the analyst to jump in. How to handle it? That's

1820
01:25:30.800 --> 01:25:33.760
<v Speaker 3>how I go about asking from critiques from other people

1821
01:25:33.800 --> 01:25:37.359
<v Speaker 3>and other broadcasters, but myself, I don't pull any punches.

1822
01:25:37.439 --> 01:25:40.520
<v Speaker 3>I'm listening to every single word. Am I using present tents?

1823
01:25:40.800 --> 01:25:43.479
<v Speaker 3>Am I using future tents? Am I being too verbose?

1824
01:25:44.880 --> 01:25:48.800
<v Speaker 3>Everything comes under fire when you're listening to yourself behind

1825
01:25:48.800 --> 01:25:49.079
<v Speaker 3>the mic.

1826
01:25:49.199 --> 01:25:54.479
<v Speaker 2>Were you so new house Syracuse stand up? Were you

1827
01:25:54.560 --> 01:26:00.479
<v Speaker 2>schooled to review your calls? Were you taught in jail,

1828
01:26:00.520 --> 01:26:04.319
<v Speaker 2>you know where you went to Syracuse, Like that's part

1829
01:26:04.359 --> 01:26:07.880
<v Speaker 2>of the educational process. You need to review your things, yeah, man,

1830
01:26:08.000 --> 01:26:11.199
<v Speaker 2>oh yeah, and especially with your peers. Yeah, your peers

1831
01:26:11.239 --> 01:26:13.760
<v Speaker 2>are ripping you apart in class when you do a

1832
01:26:13.800 --> 01:26:19.039
<v Speaker 2>stand up on the Syracuse mayor approving her budget and

1833
01:26:19.079 --> 01:26:22.000
<v Speaker 2>they want to know, all right, you got a little

1834
01:26:22.039 --> 01:26:24.119
<v Speaker 2>too wordy and your stand up up there, And I

1835
01:26:24.119 --> 01:26:27.279
<v Speaker 2>don't know how relevant this background was in the stand

1836
01:26:27.399 --> 01:26:31.039
<v Speaker 2>up that you did for this upcoming SoundBite that you

1837
01:26:31.119 --> 01:26:34.239
<v Speaker 2>got from not just the mayor, but you talk to

1838
01:26:34.479 --> 01:26:35.479
<v Speaker 2>the county commissioner.

1839
01:26:35.479 --> 01:26:37.279
<v Speaker 3>I don't know if it fit right there. So it

1840
01:26:37.359 --> 01:26:43.039
<v Speaker 3>was pretty brutal because everybody's so competitive, and yes it's tough,

1841
01:26:43.239 --> 01:26:46.880
<v Speaker 3>but ultimately that's what makes you the better broadcast or

1842
01:26:46.880 --> 01:26:50.239
<v Speaker 3>the better news reporter, the better everything, is that you're

1843
01:26:50.239 --> 01:26:52.680
<v Speaker 3>willing to put yourself out there and be open to

1844
01:26:52.720 --> 01:26:56.079
<v Speaker 3>those critiques because ultimately everybody's looking out for you. They're

1845
01:26:56.119 --> 01:26:57.079
<v Speaker 3>trying to make you better.

1846
01:26:57.439 --> 01:26:59.319
<v Speaker 1>So one more thing here, then we'll move on.

1847
01:26:59.479 --> 01:27:02.239
<v Speaker 2>As someone who's done sports talk radio and now play

1848
01:27:02.239 --> 01:27:06.000
<v Speaker 2>by play, because I've been told by people, if you

1849
01:27:06.039 --> 01:27:07.920
<v Speaker 2>wanted to do what you could because of what you've

1850
01:27:07.960 --> 01:27:10.000
<v Speaker 2>done for eighteen years, like the line between the two

1851
01:27:11.359 --> 01:27:13.600
<v Speaker 2>is pretty thin. Has that been your experience or do

1852
01:27:13.600 --> 01:27:16.520
<v Speaker 2>you find them to be two different skill sets? Because

1853
01:27:16.520 --> 01:27:19.079
<v Speaker 2>I'll say this, I think there are some play by

1854
01:27:19.079 --> 01:27:22.359
<v Speaker 2>play announcers doing play by play right now that are

1855
01:27:22.479 --> 01:27:26.439
<v Speaker 2>horrific at it, but acceptable as sports soccer radio hosts.

1856
01:27:27.319 --> 01:27:29.159
<v Speaker 2>And I think there are some sports soccer radio hosts

1857
01:27:29.199 --> 01:27:32.079
<v Speaker 2>that are horrible at that, but they're actually pretty decent

1858
01:27:32.119 --> 01:27:34.920
<v Speaker 2>at play by play. So have you found similarities between

1859
01:27:34.960 --> 01:27:36.560
<v Speaker 2>the two? Are they two different crafts?

1860
01:27:36.640 --> 01:27:40.920
<v Speaker 3>I think they're two different disciplines and they're so different

1861
01:27:41.279 --> 01:27:46.920
<v Speaker 3>in what you have to accomplish with each, but ultimately

1862
01:27:46.960 --> 01:27:50.439
<v Speaker 3>the fundamentals of them are pretty similar. You're trying to

1863
01:27:50.520 --> 01:27:54.680
<v Speaker 3>entertain people, and if you're a play by play broadcaster

1864
01:27:54.800 --> 01:27:58.039
<v Speaker 3>and you're not entertaining, then ultimately, what's the point of

1865
01:27:58.039 --> 01:27:58.760
<v Speaker 3>the broadcast?

1866
01:27:59.079 --> 01:27:59.239
<v Speaker 9>Now?

1867
01:27:59.720 --> 01:28:02.039
<v Speaker 3>It is the game, and you have to compliment that,

1868
01:28:02.159 --> 01:28:06.399
<v Speaker 3>but making sure that you're also bringing new people in.

1869
01:28:06.479 --> 01:28:09.359
<v Speaker 3>Not everybody who's watching is the die in the wool

1870
01:28:09.520 --> 01:28:12.279
<v Speaker 3>sports fan that is listening to a sports talk radio

1871
01:28:12.319 --> 01:28:15.720
<v Speaker 3>show and understands all the storylines of what has happened

1872
01:28:15.720 --> 01:28:18.880
<v Speaker 3>so far. I found them very different, and I think

1873
01:28:18.960 --> 01:28:23.079
<v Speaker 3>that's good in my respect because I'm so early in

1874
01:28:23.119 --> 01:28:27.760
<v Speaker 3>on it on the broadcasting game. But I definitely hear

1875
01:28:27.960 --> 01:28:32.239
<v Speaker 3>that some broadcasters can't become talk show hosts, and some

1876
01:28:32.359 --> 01:28:34.960
<v Speaker 3>talk show hosts can't become play by play broadcasters.

1877
01:28:35.039 --> 01:28:37.600
<v Speaker 1>And you know, it's the old mad dog thing.

1878
01:28:37.720 --> 01:28:41.720
<v Speaker 2>Every radio guy can podcast, but ten percent of podcasters

1879
01:28:41.720 --> 01:28:45.000
<v Speaker 2>can do radio or whatever. All Right, So the Stars

1880
01:28:45.000 --> 01:28:47.239
<v Speaker 2>gonna be an interesting year because the Jazz have a

1881
01:28:47.319 --> 01:28:50.600
<v Speaker 2>ton of young talent, and we could see some injuries,

1882
01:28:50.640 --> 01:28:52.319
<v Speaker 2>we could see some dips in play. I mean, we

1883
01:28:52.399 --> 01:28:54.800
<v Speaker 2>know that will is going to be developing a lot

1884
01:28:54.800 --> 01:28:57.840
<v Speaker 2>of these young players with the varsities, Gordy would say,

1885
01:28:58.359 --> 01:29:01.720
<v Speaker 2>but we could see well, Cody william O, Kyle Philipowski potentially.

1886
01:29:01.720 --> 01:29:04.119
<v Speaker 2>I mean, these guys are starting for the big boy

1887
01:29:04.159 --> 01:29:07.479
<v Speaker 2>club right now. A few weeks back, heading a hot

1888
01:29:07.560 --> 01:29:11.640
<v Speaker 2>yoga look over, and I see the original wog my guy.

1889
01:29:12.239 --> 01:29:15.920
<v Speaker 2>Nineteen ninety four, senior Cardinal Gibbons School in Baltimore, Maryland.

1890
01:29:16.199 --> 01:29:18.439
<v Speaker 2>I'm a rising sophomore. We both may have been at

1891
01:29:18.479 --> 01:29:20.319
<v Speaker 2>five Star. Wasn't a big deal. Just a couple of

1892
01:29:20.359 --> 01:29:23.760
<v Speaker 2>hoopers from the Northeast chopping it up about going to

1893
01:29:23.760 --> 01:29:26.560
<v Speaker 2>camp together back in the day. He was like a

1894
01:29:26.640 --> 01:29:29.560
<v Speaker 2>celebrity then already because he was in a McDonald's All American.

1895
01:29:29.600 --> 01:29:32.479
<v Speaker 2>He'd already committed to Duke, but he didn't look like

1896
01:29:32.479 --> 01:29:34.520
<v Speaker 2>he should be playing high level college basketball. I am

1897
01:29:34.560 --> 01:29:37.159
<v Speaker 2>taller than Steve wo Jakowski, but he is the original

1898
01:29:37.199 --> 01:29:41.600
<v Speaker 2>woj and I honestly thought John Paul at one point

1899
01:29:42.000 --> 01:29:44.439
<v Speaker 2>he would coach Duke. I thought, you know, he'd got

1900
01:29:44.479 --> 01:29:47.159
<v Speaker 2>a good job of Marquette, and he always came across

1901
01:29:47.199 --> 01:29:49.199
<v Speaker 2>as a very good communicator, a guy that was a

1902
01:29:49.279 --> 01:29:51.800
<v Speaker 2>natural coach. For a minute, I thought Quinn was going

1903
01:29:51.880 --> 01:29:54.000
<v Speaker 2>to coach Duke too, But for a while I thought, Okay,

1904
01:29:54.439 --> 01:29:56.840
<v Speaker 2>Steve's going to coach Duke one day. Like a lot

1905
01:29:56.840 --> 01:29:59.800
<v Speaker 2>of coaching journeys, including Quinn's, took a couple of U turns.

1906
01:30:00.000 --> 01:30:02.680
<v Speaker 2>Now he's landed back here coaching the stars in Saul Lake.

1907
01:30:02.720 --> 01:30:05.039
<v Speaker 2>What are your interactions been like with him so far?

1908
01:30:05.199 --> 01:30:09.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Wojo has been phenomenal to deal with, and ultimately

1909
01:30:09.840 --> 01:30:12.279
<v Speaker 3>he's basically a part of the Jazz staff. The great

1910
01:30:12.279 --> 01:30:15.920
<v Speaker 3>part about Will Hardy is how open door he's been

1911
01:30:16.239 --> 01:30:19.199
<v Speaker 3>about allowing Wojo to be around the team and how

1912
01:30:19.840 --> 01:30:23.760
<v Speaker 3>they are using it as a very similar project from

1913
01:30:23.960 --> 01:30:27.359
<v Speaker 3>the varsity to the jv Wojo was on every single

1914
01:30:27.560 --> 01:30:31.399
<v Speaker 3>trip in the preseason. He's allowed, without the bat of

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01:30:31.399 --> 01:30:33.399
<v Speaker 3>an eye, go into a coach's meeting.

1916
01:30:33.640 --> 01:30:33.840
<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 3>Now during the thick of the season, go ahead. It's

1918
01:30:37.560 --> 01:30:43.039
<v Speaker 3>all the same for him, and as a communicator, he's

1919
01:30:43.239 --> 01:30:46.319
<v Speaker 3>at a very different place than where he was with

1920
01:30:46.479 --> 01:30:50.920
<v Speaker 3>college basketball. So much noise, so much clutter. There's I

1921
01:30:51.000 --> 01:30:54.119
<v Speaker 3>have to be concerned. Did this fifteen year old respond

1922
01:30:54.119 --> 01:30:57.600
<v Speaker 3>to my text? Does this fifteen year old know who

1923
01:30:57.640 --> 01:31:01.439
<v Speaker 3>I am? Does this fifteen year old about the program

1924
01:31:01.239 --> 01:31:04.880
<v Speaker 3>that I'm at? There's so much of that, and Nil

1925
01:31:04.920 --> 01:31:10.119
<v Speaker 3>has complicated it. Shout out pay the players. But now

1926
01:31:10.119 --> 01:31:12.600
<v Speaker 3>it's just about coaching and teaching. Now it's just about

1927
01:31:13.359 --> 01:31:18.199
<v Speaker 3>making sure that the two way guys are getting to

1928
01:31:18.279 --> 01:31:22.479
<v Speaker 3>a point where they can progress in their professional journey,

1929
01:31:22.720 --> 01:31:25.800
<v Speaker 3>whether it's with the Jazz or a different team. Making

1930
01:31:25.800 --> 01:31:28.600
<v Speaker 3>sure that the exhibit ten guys who are with training

1931
01:31:28.640 --> 01:31:31.960
<v Speaker 3>camp and are potential players who can play at the

1932
01:31:31.960 --> 01:31:36.119
<v Speaker 3>next level, are they also developing. It's all about teaching

1933
01:31:36.159 --> 01:31:39.199
<v Speaker 3>for him and for somebody that for so long has

1934
01:31:39.199 --> 01:31:42.039
<v Speaker 3>had to recruit and been out out on the road

1935
01:31:42.079 --> 01:31:46.079
<v Speaker 3>for so long, him finding this place where he can

1936
01:31:46.119 --> 01:31:48.640
<v Speaker 3>be in the professional game and he can still lean

1937
01:31:48.680 --> 01:31:52.920
<v Speaker 3>on that coaching and teaching element that has put him

1938
01:31:52.920 --> 01:31:56.319
<v Speaker 3>in such a good mind space and put the team

1939
01:31:56.359 --> 01:31:59.279
<v Speaker 3>in the way where it really is serving the big club.

1940
01:31:59.439 --> 01:32:04.560
<v Speaker 2>Will thirty five six, Will thirty six, Steve's forty eight.

1941
01:32:05.760 --> 01:32:09.760
<v Speaker 2>You know, interesting dynamic obviously with Will being so young

1942
01:32:09.840 --> 01:32:12.359
<v Speaker 2>but being the head guy. And I wonder how Steve

1943
01:32:12.439 --> 01:32:14.920
<v Speaker 2>kind of digests that when he clearly was on a

1944
01:32:14.920 --> 01:32:17.279
<v Speaker 2>path at one point where, like I said, I thought

1945
01:32:17.279 --> 01:32:19.000
<v Speaker 2>he'd be the duke coach or maybe go on and

1946
01:32:19.239 --> 01:32:21.800
<v Speaker 2>eventually coach in the league. How did he end up

1947
01:32:21.960 --> 01:32:24.960
<v Speaker 2>with the Stars after he lost the Giga Marquette.

1948
01:32:25.000 --> 01:32:27.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he had family who was living around.

1949
01:32:27.720 --> 01:32:29.720
<v Speaker 1>Oh, that's right, Yeah, I forgot about that.

1950
01:32:30.119 --> 01:32:33.239
<v Speaker 3>He was up in Park City and he was he

1951
01:32:33.359 --> 01:32:35.960
<v Speaker 3>was living out there the good life. You say, it's

1952
01:32:36.159 --> 01:32:38.800
<v Speaker 3>a couple degrees too cold a little bit about about

1953
01:32:38.840 --> 01:32:41.560
<v Speaker 3>about six weeks out of the year, he was a

1954
01:32:41.680 --> 01:32:46.199
<v Speaker 3>okay with that. The man was doing iron men things

1955
01:32:46.479 --> 01:32:49.079
<v Speaker 3>like he he was becoming the mountain Man. And you

1956
01:32:49.079 --> 01:32:51.199
<v Speaker 3>can see it with the beard that he's kind of

1957
01:32:51.239 --> 01:32:55.920
<v Speaker 3>grown over the last couple of years. But he's climbing mountains,

1958
01:32:56.000 --> 01:33:00.520
<v Speaker 3>he's using the trails, he's decompressing after that Marquet exprespecause

1959
01:33:00.520 --> 01:33:03.520
<v Speaker 3>of college basketball we can be so draining. And he

1960
01:33:03.640 --> 01:33:08.159
<v Speaker 3>ultimately ends up here as a local interviews for the job.

1961
01:33:09.039 --> 01:33:13.680
<v Speaker 3>Good pair because Will Hardy was you could say boy

1962
01:33:13.840 --> 01:33:16.800
<v Speaker 3>genius for Greg Popovic, so is Steve oo Jahowski with

1963
01:33:16.880 --> 01:33:22.399
<v Speaker 3>another legendary head coach, coach k and that expectation being

1964
01:33:22.600 --> 01:33:24.960
<v Speaker 3>the keeper of the secrets, being somebody who has that

1965
01:33:25.039 --> 01:33:31.079
<v Speaker 3>shared experience initially bonds them, but ultimately as an ex

1966
01:33:31.680 --> 01:33:35.279
<v Speaker 3>o's guy, as an offensive person, as somebody that knows

1967
01:33:35.760 --> 01:33:38.520
<v Speaker 3>NBA spacing. That's how he ended up with a job

1968
01:33:38.600 --> 01:33:40.560
<v Speaker 3>and why he's in the position with the Salt Lake

1969
01:33:40.600 --> 01:33:41.119
<v Speaker 3>City Stars.

1970
01:33:41.239 --> 01:33:44.600
<v Speaker 2>All Right, I woke up today with a real pep

1971
01:33:44.680 --> 01:33:48.520
<v Speaker 2>in my step. You know, I was energetic. Wasn't sure why,

1972
01:33:49.279 --> 01:33:51.159
<v Speaker 2>but I remember the NBA Cup starts tonight.

1973
01:33:52.159 --> 01:33:54.079
<v Speaker 1>I know, big day. It's a big day.

1974
01:33:54.279 --> 01:33:57.399
<v Speaker 2>Oh it's a big day for hoopeds, Big day for whopeds.

1975
01:33:57.880 --> 01:34:00.560
<v Speaker 2>All right, So give me a little flavor because just

1976
01:34:00.640 --> 01:34:03.119
<v Speaker 2>so you know, I will be down at the game tonight. Oh,

1977
01:34:03.479 --> 01:34:06.640
<v Speaker 2>my I'm making it and just just to aside, will

1978
01:34:06.680 --> 01:34:10.640
<v Speaker 2>you please this time let everybody know. I will everybody know,

1979
01:34:10.720 --> 01:34:12.920
<v Speaker 2>because I mean, I just feel like the welcome last

1980
01:34:12.920 --> 01:34:15.000
<v Speaker 2>time was underwhelming. I had to call my guy Dunio

1981
01:34:15.079 --> 01:34:16.920
<v Speaker 2>to get the credential. I mean, it got a little weird.

1982
01:34:17.199 --> 01:34:20.039
<v Speaker 2>So if you could spread the word, maybe a video tribute.

1983
01:34:20.079 --> 01:34:21.880
<v Speaker 2>But if you can't make that happen tonight, that's fine.

1984
01:34:22.079 --> 01:34:24.920
<v Speaker 3>The Clayton Keller of Utah Sports.

1985
01:34:24.640 --> 01:34:27.439
<v Speaker 2>Meeting, I did think I was He was very nice,

1986
01:34:27.520 --> 01:34:29.039
<v Speaker 2>but he thought I was a hockey player and he

1987
01:34:29.119 --> 01:34:30.319
<v Speaker 2>was going to try to get me in as a

1988
01:34:30.439 --> 01:34:31.800
<v Speaker 2>member of the Utah Hockey Club.

1989
01:34:31.840 --> 01:34:32.960
<v Speaker 1>But eventually my.

1990
01:34:33.079 --> 01:34:36.479
<v Speaker 2>Guy Dunio got me in. What's the building gonna feel like?

1991
01:34:36.560 --> 01:34:38.600
<v Speaker 2>You've been down there? I'm heading down there with with

1992
01:34:38.720 --> 01:34:41.680
<v Speaker 2>our guy Trey Elliott will be there.

1993
01:34:42.159 --> 01:34:43.800
<v Speaker 1>The whole crew is going to be in town tonight

1994
01:34:44.159 --> 01:34:45.800
<v Speaker 1>at the game. So what's the building you gonna feel like?

1995
01:34:45.960 --> 01:34:48.960
<v Speaker 3>Well, it's gonna be a really cool crowd to see

1996
01:34:49.000 --> 01:34:52.079
<v Speaker 3>because this Jazz team is eager to get a win

1997
01:34:52.199 --> 01:34:54.479
<v Speaker 3>in front of the home fans because they got that

1998
01:34:54.960 --> 01:35:00.439
<v Speaker 3>road trip double away from the Delta Center. But it's

1999
01:35:00.479 --> 01:35:04.880
<v Speaker 3>gonna be another good crowd. I'm shocked at how the

2000
01:35:05.399 --> 01:35:08.760
<v Speaker 3>fans never ceased to amaze me, especially on these Emirates

2001
01:35:08.960 --> 01:35:14.319
<v Speaker 3>Cup nights with all of the eyes on them to

2002
01:35:14.479 --> 01:35:17.199
<v Speaker 3>watch the Phoenix Suns. And even though there's no Kevin Durant,

2003
01:35:17.239 --> 01:35:21.680
<v Speaker 3>you're gonna see Devin Booker, You're going to see Bradley Beal.

2004
01:35:22.640 --> 01:35:25.720
<v Speaker 3>You're going to see a new look Phoenix team that's

2005
01:35:25.800 --> 01:35:28.960
<v Speaker 3>launching threes in droves, much like the rest of the NBA,

2006
01:35:29.159 --> 01:35:33.600
<v Speaker 3>but seeing what this Jazz team can do with the

2007
01:35:33.880 --> 01:35:36.560
<v Speaker 3>likes of Kyle Philpowski, who had a good road trip

2008
01:35:36.680 --> 01:35:40.640
<v Speaker 3>and Isaiah Collier who now is looking very bright in

2009
01:35:40.760 --> 01:35:43.800
<v Speaker 3>the way that he got his first start last time

2010
01:35:43.840 --> 01:35:47.960
<v Speaker 3>out against San Antonio. They're playing the young kids. Oh, finally,

2011
01:35:48.079 --> 01:35:50.920
<v Speaker 3>they're playing the young kids after not doing it for

2012
01:35:51.039 --> 01:35:55.560
<v Speaker 3>one game against Milwaukee, ar I was wondering, had Will

2013
01:35:55.680 --> 01:35:59.600
<v Speaker 3>lost his mind? Did he forget to coach? No, he didn't.

2014
01:36:00.399 --> 01:36:04.000
<v Speaker 3>We're going to go crazy over one.

2015
01:36:03.920 --> 01:36:05.760
<v Speaker 1>Game that sell Trip dot Com Triple Team.

2016
01:36:05.920 --> 01:36:09.560
<v Speaker 3>You know, that's that's for other people. Time to provide

2017
01:36:09.600 --> 01:36:12.000
<v Speaker 3>a little perspective. They're going to play all year long.

2018
01:36:13.039 --> 01:36:15.800
<v Speaker 3>But tonight, seeing those young players and how they go

2019
01:36:15.880 --> 01:36:18.920
<v Speaker 3>against one of the best teams in the West, Phoenix.

2020
01:36:19.039 --> 01:36:21.359
<v Speaker 3>I think last time I checked their number two in

2021
01:36:21.520 --> 01:36:24.880
<v Speaker 3>the entire conference, that is pretty stacked and pretty loaded

2022
01:36:24.920 --> 01:36:25.880
<v Speaker 3>even without Kevin Duran.

2023
01:36:26.000 --> 01:36:28.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I guess we'll never see Cody guardianis.

2024
01:36:28.359 --> 01:36:32.760
<v Speaker 3>So the valuable minutes of seeing Keyana. Oh yeah, that's right.

2025
01:36:32.840 --> 01:36:35.720
<v Speaker 3>Giannis is on his farewell tour. He's never going to

2026
01:36:35.760 --> 01:36:36.600
<v Speaker 3>play the Jazz again.

2027
01:36:36.680 --> 01:36:37.600
<v Speaker 1>Wasted opportunity.

2028
01:36:38.399 --> 01:36:43.399
<v Speaker 2>The Emritus NBA Cup drama at its finest tonight, not

2029
01:36:43.600 --> 01:36:45.800
<v Speaker 2>just here in Salt Lake, but across the landscape of

2030
01:36:45.920 --> 01:36:47.159
<v Speaker 2>pro basketball, as is.

2031
01:36:47.199 --> 01:36:49.560
<v Speaker 1>Mike On Hello, John Paul, what do you call it?

2032
01:36:49.800 --> 01:36:51.000
<v Speaker 1>Emeritus NBA?

2033
01:36:51.199 --> 01:36:54.720
<v Speaker 3>Isn't it sponsored though Emirates, Emirates, Emirates.

2034
01:36:54.399 --> 01:36:57.319
<v Speaker 1>Emerts period as a soccer guy. Oh, that's what I said, Emirates.

2035
01:36:57.720 --> 01:36:58.279
<v Speaker 1>What did I say.

2036
01:36:59.039 --> 01:37:01.920
<v Speaker 2>You didn't say Emirates Emirates I said early, I corrected

2037
01:37:01.960 --> 01:37:02.840
<v Speaker 2>Tim McMahon earlier.

2038
01:37:03.159 --> 01:37:03.840
<v Speaker 3>What did he say?

2039
01:37:04.279 --> 01:37:06.920
<v Speaker 2>Oh, something that was not even close. I mean, talk

2040
01:37:06.960 --> 01:37:10.520
<v Speaker 2>about it, not a soccer guy. Emirates NBA Cup an

2041
01:37:10.560 --> 01:37:16.079
<v Speaker 2>English rebranded from the in season tournament a year ago.

2042
01:37:16.600 --> 01:37:17.840
<v Speaker 2>John Paul liven Studio.

2043
01:37:18.359 --> 01:37:19.239
<v Speaker 1>I hate to do this to you.

2044
01:37:19.720 --> 01:37:23.079
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I don't want to make you emotional, but you

2045
01:37:23.159 --> 01:37:26.840
<v Speaker 2>were a producer for this show on the Massted Dylan Moskovitz.

2046
01:37:26.880 --> 01:37:29.840
<v Speaker 2>But you're also a producer on this radio station for

2047
01:37:29.920 --> 01:37:33.720
<v Speaker 2>a number of years, and byu Utah Week was last week.

2048
01:37:34.319 --> 01:37:36.439
<v Speaker 2>You're no longer a part of it actively as a

2049
01:37:36.520 --> 01:37:38.479
<v Speaker 2>front facing member of the media because you've been doing

2050
01:37:38.520 --> 01:37:41.920
<v Speaker 2>other things. But it is the biggest thing that happens

2051
01:37:41.960 --> 01:37:46.079
<v Speaker 2>here in the market, regardless of who you work for, regardless.

2052
01:37:45.560 --> 01:37:46.319
<v Speaker 1>Of who you cheer for.

2053
01:37:47.119 --> 01:37:49.439
<v Speaker 2>What are some of your memories of being at this

2054
01:37:49.640 --> 01:37:53.199
<v Speaker 2>radio station during rivalry week when you were producing shows

2055
01:37:53.239 --> 01:37:56.880
<v Speaker 2>and you were actively part of byu Utah football, I.

2056
01:37:57.000 --> 01:38:00.399
<v Speaker 3>Might have also been through a pretty big goal in

2057
01:38:00.479 --> 01:38:06.279
<v Speaker 3>the schedule of those two scheduling each other. But the

2058
01:38:06.960 --> 01:38:12.039
<v Speaker 3>game is awesome because both sides are unreasonable during that

2059
01:38:12.159 --> 01:38:13.960
<v Speaker 3>week in a good way. I say that in a

2060
01:38:14.039 --> 01:38:17.079
<v Speaker 3>good way, of sure, because that's why people care about sports.

2061
01:38:17.119 --> 01:38:19.840
<v Speaker 3>That's why I care about sports. That's why everybody wants

2062
01:38:19.880 --> 01:38:24.439
<v Speaker 3>to go to these games, and they're they're so coveted.

2063
01:38:25.600 --> 01:38:29.479
<v Speaker 3>But like when Tyler Huntley says, they soa poo poo,

2064
01:38:29.520 --> 01:38:34.199
<v Speaker 3>and people actually take that seriously, it's amazing. Yeah, because

2065
01:38:34.319 --> 01:38:35.520
<v Speaker 3>he's doing it just.

2066
01:38:35.640 --> 01:38:39.239
<v Speaker 2>To you, knowing that on BYU TV all week.

2067
01:38:39.399 --> 01:38:43.439
<v Speaker 3>That's awesome, It's great. That's why he said it, because

2068
01:38:43.680 --> 01:38:47.239
<v Speaker 3>he's leaning into the heel character a little wrestling. That's

2069
01:38:47.319 --> 01:38:53.079
<v Speaker 3>what sports are, soap operas for men. That's why we watch. Okay,

2070
01:38:53.279 --> 01:38:57.119
<v Speaker 3>we want our stories. We want to watch our stories.

2071
01:38:57.760 --> 01:39:03.279
<v Speaker 3>And I've always enjoyed how crazy it makes people, how

2072
01:39:03.439 --> 01:39:08.479
<v Speaker 3>incensed athletic directors can get a route this subject as well, apparently,

2073
01:39:09.479 --> 01:39:12.359
<v Speaker 3>But the fact that it's a conference game now it

2074
01:39:12.560 --> 01:39:16.359
<v Speaker 3>means a little bit more than when I was at

2075
01:39:16.399 --> 01:39:19.520
<v Speaker 3>this radio station and it was just two teams not

2076
01:39:19.680 --> 01:39:23.560
<v Speaker 3>connected by conference bonds that were just playing each other.

2077
01:39:24.079 --> 01:39:25.840
<v Speaker 3>The conference element huge.

2078
01:39:25.960 --> 01:39:26.199
<v Speaker 5>It is.

2079
01:39:26.560 --> 01:39:30.039
<v Speaker 2>It is and I've often been asked, you know which

2080
01:39:30.159 --> 01:39:33.159
<v Speaker 2>fan base is more insufferable, and I always say, whichever

2081
01:39:33.239 --> 01:39:33.720
<v Speaker 2>one wins.

2082
01:39:34.279 --> 01:39:36.760
<v Speaker 1>It's whichever one is winning at the time.

2083
01:39:37.359 --> 01:39:39.840
<v Speaker 2>And I've been doing it long enough to know by

2084
01:39:39.920 --> 01:39:43.760
<v Speaker 2>now the script is literally flipped depending on the outcome

2085
01:39:43.760 --> 01:39:46.159
<v Speaker 2>of the game. Because when Utah wins that the BYU

2086
01:39:46.239 --> 01:39:49.159
<v Speaker 2>cry is they're so arrogance, the arrogance of the Pac

2087
01:39:49.279 --> 01:39:52.560
<v Speaker 2>twelve Utah fan base and when BYU wins, it's the

2088
01:39:52.840 --> 01:39:56.960
<v Speaker 2>arrogance of the holier than thou pious moral high ground attitude.

2089
01:39:57.159 --> 01:39:59.640
<v Speaker 2>It truly is like whichever school wins, the other fan

2090
01:39:59.720 --> 01:40:03.119
<v Speaker 2>base just uses the same talking points and the same

2091
01:40:03.239 --> 01:40:06.800
<v Speaker 2>script and the virtue signaling like their accounts. Send me

2092
01:40:07.039 --> 01:40:09.920
<v Speaker 2>every video you have of a ute fan saying mean

2093
01:40:10.039 --> 01:40:12.600
<v Speaker 2>things to BYU fans so I can then post it

2094
01:40:12.680 --> 01:40:14.600
<v Speaker 2>and show you that we're morally superior.

2095
01:40:14.720 --> 01:40:17.359
<v Speaker 1>Like it really just depends on which team is better

2096
01:40:17.479 --> 01:40:18.079
<v Speaker 1>that given year.

2097
01:40:18.239 --> 01:40:21.840
<v Speaker 3>I hate them. I think they're classless. So many memorable

2098
01:40:22.439 --> 01:40:28.399
<v Speaker 3>lines in this entire rivalry, the what was what's the

2099
01:40:28.439 --> 01:40:29.359
<v Speaker 3>Austin Collie line?

2100
01:40:29.439 --> 01:40:32.159
<v Speaker 2>Magic happens when you're living right on and off the field.

2101
01:40:32.239 --> 01:40:32.960
<v Speaker 2>Magic happens.

2102
01:40:33.039 --> 01:40:35.319
<v Speaker 1>Magic happens. And that, by the way, and we had

2103
01:40:35.359 --> 01:40:36.479
<v Speaker 1>Austin on the show last week.

2104
01:40:36.600 --> 01:40:37.000
<v Speaker 3>Awesome.

2105
01:40:37.279 --> 01:40:39.279
<v Speaker 1>That is the most perfect thing you.

2106
01:40:39.279 --> 01:40:43.279
<v Speaker 2>Could possibly say, because what that does is reaffirming Utah's

2107
01:40:43.399 --> 01:40:46.640
<v Speaker 2>minds that BYU believes God is their twelfth man every

2108
01:40:46.720 --> 01:40:47.680
<v Speaker 2>time they take the field.

2109
01:40:47.840 --> 01:40:49.399
<v Speaker 1>Yes, it's wonderful.

2110
01:40:49.560 --> 01:40:53.960
<v Speaker 3>It's a perfect rivalry because it's neighbor against neighbor. It's

2111
01:40:54.479 --> 01:40:58.239
<v Speaker 3>Utah County against Salt Lake County. Like you can pit

2112
01:40:58.439 --> 01:41:02.520
<v Speaker 3>so many things against each other, how diametrically imposed. The

2113
01:41:02.680 --> 01:41:06.239
<v Speaker 3>crowds are the holier than down nature of it all.

2114
01:41:06.840 --> 01:41:11.399
<v Speaker 3>And that's what makes good college rivalry. It is private

2115
01:41:11.560 --> 01:41:16.319
<v Speaker 3>versus public, which you know, having gone to Syracuse and

2116
01:41:16.439 --> 01:41:19.680
<v Speaker 3>experienced Syracuse Georgetown private v private, it's just a bunch

2117
01:41:19.680 --> 01:41:22.119
<v Speaker 3>of people from New Jersey and Connecticut yelling at each other.

2118
01:41:22.199 --> 01:41:26.520
<v Speaker 3>It's not as as interesting to me. Okay, it doesn't

2119
01:41:26.600 --> 01:41:32.720
<v Speaker 3>matter that. Yeah, you guys have the same vineyard vines outfits.

2120
01:41:32.279 --> 01:41:33.439
<v Speaker 1>On the rugby belts.

2121
01:41:33.600 --> 01:41:40.319
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, congrats es sick very cool Brooks Brothers again. Huh okay,

2122
01:41:41.039 --> 01:41:43.279
<v Speaker 3>cool man. I dig that quarters up.

2123
01:41:44.920 --> 01:41:47.319
<v Speaker 2>Two callers popped at one point, by the way, just

2124
01:41:47.399 --> 01:41:48.760
<v Speaker 2>so you know, picture exist.

2125
01:41:49.199 --> 01:41:51.840
<v Speaker 3>That is not the same as as Utah E y

2126
01:41:51.960 --> 01:41:56.319
<v Speaker 3>u and my only gripe. And this is not with

2127
01:41:56.600 --> 01:42:02.079
<v Speaker 3>the two universities, is with the television companies. Why is it? Okay, guys,

2128
01:42:02.279 --> 01:42:04.800
<v Speaker 3>let's figure this out. I was in the Central time

2129
01:42:04.880 --> 01:42:09.800
<v Speaker 3>zone San Antonio following the Jazz and I was able

2130
01:42:09.840 --> 01:42:11.760
<v Speaker 3>to do a podcast with Walker Kestler. You can listen

2131
01:42:11.800 --> 01:42:14.359
<v Speaker 3>to it on the Utah Jazz podcast Network. But as

2132
01:42:14.439 --> 01:42:17.960
<v Speaker 3>people were coming up to me on the riverwalk telling

2133
01:42:18.079 --> 01:42:21.239
<v Speaker 3>me about the score of this Utah BYU game. They

2134
01:42:21.279 --> 01:42:24.199
<v Speaker 3>were following asleep telling me the updates because it's ten

2135
01:42:24.399 --> 01:42:28.640
<v Speaker 3>fifteen and it isn't even the second quarter. Folks, They've

2136
01:42:28.680 --> 01:42:31.439
<v Speaker 3>got to figure that out because games on too late.

2137
01:42:31.560 --> 01:42:33.399
<v Speaker 3>It's too good of a rivalry to put it on

2138
01:42:33.680 --> 01:42:34.760
<v Speaker 3>that late in the day.

2139
01:42:34.960 --> 01:42:38.039
<v Speaker 2>I had buddies texting back east like I'm going to bed,

2140
01:42:38.079 --> 01:42:40.800
<v Speaker 2>and I had some family members that love BYU. But

2141
01:42:40.880 --> 01:42:43.760
<v Speaker 2>it started at twelve fifteen, like, yeah, can't stay up.

2142
01:42:44.279 --> 01:42:45.520
<v Speaker 2>We'll figure it out the next day.

2143
01:42:46.479 --> 01:42:46.760
<v Speaker 1>All right.

2144
01:42:46.800 --> 01:42:50.880
<v Speaker 2>You referenced what the athletic director of Utah elected to

2145
01:42:50.960 --> 01:42:53.239
<v Speaker 2>do after the game. We've talked about it on the show,

2146
01:42:54.079 --> 01:42:57.760
<v Speaker 2>so Mark Carlin, and you know, if you've been around

2147
01:42:57.800 --> 01:43:01.000
<v Speaker 2>the game long enough, you know that there's the magic happens.

2148
01:43:01.119 --> 01:43:04.560
<v Speaker 2>There's the I Hate Utah. There's the Brandon Burton block.

2149
01:43:05.479 --> 01:43:06.479
<v Speaker 2>There's the Brett Ratliff.

2150
01:43:06.479 --> 01:43:07.039
<v Speaker 1>Who's that dude?

2151
01:43:07.079 --> 01:43:08.960
<v Speaker 2>Holy smokes, they went to provo and one. There's three

2152
01:43:09.039 --> 01:43:11.800
<v Speaker 2>nothing we could keep going. There's Scott Mitchell, there's Eddie Johnson.

2153
01:43:13.039 --> 01:43:15.359
<v Speaker 2>You can label a lot of these games with one

2154
01:43:15.560 --> 01:43:20.239
<v Speaker 2>play with one saying with one player and there's the

2155
01:43:20.359 --> 01:43:23.319
<v Speaker 2>controversy of the holding call. Certainly that will reverberate. But

2156
01:43:23.399 --> 01:43:24.800
<v Speaker 2>I think in ten years this is going to be

2157
01:43:24.800 --> 01:43:27.760
<v Speaker 2>the Mark Harlan utah BYU oh yeah, oh yeah, because

2158
01:43:27.800 --> 01:43:30.039
<v Speaker 2>it wasn't just and so after the game, because I

2159
01:43:30.079 --> 01:43:30.840
<v Speaker 2>stayed till the end.

2160
01:43:31.119 --> 01:43:33.279
<v Speaker 1>That's what I do. Got to say.

2161
01:43:33.319 --> 01:43:35.600
<v Speaker 2>How to my guys, Colonie and a Rod, congrats, you know,

2162
01:43:36.199 --> 01:43:37.880
<v Speaker 2>dap them up, give them a hug because that's the

2163
01:43:38.000 --> 01:43:42.399
<v Speaker 2>kind of classy person that I am walking home.

2164
01:43:42.880 --> 01:43:46.840
<v Speaker 1>Boom, phone blows up. Did you see what Harlan said?

2165
01:43:46.960 --> 01:43:48.079
<v Speaker 1>Have you heard what Harlan said?

2166
01:43:48.199 --> 01:43:51.279
<v Speaker 2>Like, now I'm walking home, Buddy sends a link, pull

2167
01:43:51.359 --> 01:43:56.079
<v Speaker 2>it up, and I went, oh my gosh, John Paul.

2168
01:43:56.199 --> 01:43:58.560
<v Speaker 2>I thought he was going to be in more trouble

2169
01:43:58.640 --> 01:44:01.760
<v Speaker 2>than he actually. Brett your mark, Okay, my man does

2170
01:44:01.840 --> 01:44:04.880
<v Speaker 2>a mess out. That's a sleeping with the Fishes Conference

2171
01:44:04.960 --> 01:44:09.039
<v Speaker 2>commissioner in college football. And I just pictured Brett Yormark

2172
01:44:09.119 --> 01:44:13.079
<v Speaker 2>at like three am Eastern Time, looking at his phone

2173
01:44:13.119 --> 01:44:17.479
<v Speaker 2>and being like what he said. What I thought forty

2174
01:44:17.600 --> 01:44:20.279
<v Speaker 2>k and a public reprimand is a slap on the

2175
01:44:20.319 --> 01:44:22.159
<v Speaker 2>wrist compared to what I thought was going to happen.

2176
01:44:22.199 --> 01:44:24.760
<v Speaker 2>He goes after the integrity of the conference, the professionals,

2177
01:44:25.520 --> 01:44:27.560
<v Speaker 2>the professionalism of the officiating crew.

2178
01:44:29.079 --> 01:44:30.319
<v Speaker 1>I think he got off easy.

2179
01:44:30.760 --> 01:44:32.279
<v Speaker 2>I thought it was such a swing and a miss

2180
01:44:32.279 --> 01:44:34.000
<v Speaker 2>for a guy that seemed to be pretty calculated.

2181
01:44:34.039 --> 01:44:36.439
<v Speaker 1>What was your reaction when you first saw and heard

2182
01:44:36.479 --> 01:44:36.960
<v Speaker 1>the comments.

2183
01:44:37.079 --> 01:44:39.520
<v Speaker 3>I thought it was very unfortunate. I thought it was

2184
01:44:40.439 --> 01:44:44.960
<v Speaker 3>really a bad look from him and ultimately bad for

2185
01:44:46.199 --> 01:44:49.159
<v Speaker 3>him to question the integrity of the sport. There's no

2186
01:44:49.399 --> 01:44:52.920
<v Speaker 3>reason when the game is being refed by third party

2187
01:44:52.960 --> 01:44:55.920
<v Speaker 3>officials to say that a game was stolen from you.

2188
01:44:56.960 --> 01:45:01.840
<v Speaker 3>That was egregious in my opinion, no matter how highly

2189
01:45:02.880 --> 01:45:08.119
<v Speaker 3>intensed and charged these situations are. That's where you, as

2190
01:45:08.359 --> 01:45:11.520
<v Speaker 3>an adult, have to step back from the microphone and say,

2191
01:45:13.239 --> 01:45:18.880
<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna stop scrolling Twitter, stop looking at my phone unplugged,

2192
01:45:19.479 --> 01:45:22.159
<v Speaker 3>because it's a game right now, and I need to

2193
01:45:22.199 --> 01:45:25.640
<v Speaker 3>have perspective, because as a person in leadership, you can't

2194
01:45:25.800 --> 01:45:30.560
<v Speaker 3>set that as the way that you want everybody underneath

2195
01:45:30.600 --> 01:45:35.199
<v Speaker 3>you stolen. You lost, fair and square. My guy didn't

2196
01:45:35.199 --> 01:45:36.239
<v Speaker 3>score in the second half.

2197
01:45:36.800 --> 01:45:38.760
<v Speaker 1>Five punts. Get to stop.

2198
01:45:38.880 --> 01:45:42.520
<v Speaker 3>There's no reason for you to question not only the

2199
01:45:42.600 --> 01:45:47.000
<v Speaker 3>integrity of the sport, but call out brettyor Mark isn't

2200
01:45:47.039 --> 01:45:51.399
<v Speaker 3>his boss, but people who know his boss, people who

2201
01:45:51.960 --> 01:45:56.279
<v Speaker 3>are very influential in the most important part of his job.

2202
01:45:57.039 --> 01:46:02.279
<v Speaker 3>I was unbelievable and correct use of that word, because

2203
01:46:02.319 --> 01:46:04.880
<v Speaker 3>I just did not believe that he would do that

2204
01:46:05.119 --> 01:46:08.359
<v Speaker 3>and then not take questions and just bounce afterwards, which

2205
01:46:08.560 --> 01:46:13.520
<v Speaker 3>was another amazing part of the clip. But forty k

2206
01:46:13.840 --> 01:46:15.960
<v Speaker 3>is absolutely a slap on the wrist for a guy

2207
01:46:16.119 --> 01:46:18.800
<v Speaker 3>for something like that when you call somebody out. If

2208
01:46:18.840 --> 01:46:22.239
<v Speaker 3>I called out my boss and I didn't get reprimanded,

2209
01:46:22.279 --> 01:46:24.840
<v Speaker 3>I would start questioning my boss. I'd say, Okay, what's

2210
01:46:24.880 --> 01:46:27.680
<v Speaker 3>going on here? Do I run the roofs now? Is

2211
01:46:27.760 --> 01:46:31.800
<v Speaker 3>it my time to shine? Kind of amazing, kind of amazing.

2212
01:46:31.960 --> 01:46:35.159
<v Speaker 2>I've been thinking from the moment I heard it and

2213
01:46:35.279 --> 01:46:37.920
<v Speaker 2>from the moment I saw it, And look, Mark is

2214
01:46:38.000 --> 01:46:38.960
<v Speaker 2>not my friend.

2215
01:46:39.079 --> 01:46:41.199
<v Speaker 1>We don't hang out off air, but he's always been

2216
01:46:41.239 --> 01:46:42.520
<v Speaker 1>good to me. He's been in studio.

2217
01:46:42.520 --> 01:46:44.720
<v Speaker 2>I'll probably interviewed him fifty times, and when I see

2218
01:46:44.760 --> 01:46:46.640
<v Speaker 2>him at games, he says hello and we talk and

2219
01:46:47.680 --> 01:46:51.119
<v Speaker 2>he seems measured, he seems smart. I don't know the

2220
01:46:51.239 --> 01:46:53.800
<v Speaker 2>nature of his relationship with Kyle or anything as far

2221
01:46:53.880 --> 01:46:56.920
<v Speaker 2>as behind the wall up there, I really don't. But

2222
01:46:58.520 --> 01:47:02.239
<v Speaker 2>as I often say, and I wish I had learned

2223
01:47:02.239 --> 01:47:05.840
<v Speaker 2>this lesson as a younger person in this business, you

2224
01:47:05.920 --> 01:47:08.960
<v Speaker 2>can always not tweet, you can always not hit send.

2225
01:47:10.239 --> 01:47:13.479
<v Speaker 2>And he could have very easily just not said anything.

2226
01:47:13.600 --> 01:47:16.600
<v Speaker 2>I mean, ads do not take the podium after games.

2227
01:47:16.680 --> 01:47:20.439
<v Speaker 2>That rarely happens. It's usually just the coach and some players,

2228
01:47:20.920 --> 01:47:25.279
<v Speaker 2>and even in pro basketball, like it's typically all coaches

2229
01:47:25.319 --> 01:47:28.960
<v Speaker 2>and players outside of some sort of chaotic situation like

2230
01:47:29.039 --> 01:47:32.960
<v Speaker 2>when Bob Myers took the podium after Durant got hurt

2231
01:47:33.079 --> 01:47:35.079
<v Speaker 2>with his achilles, because he's like, we need to get

2232
01:47:35.079 --> 01:47:36.960
<v Speaker 2>ahead of this narrative that we brought him back too soon.

2233
01:47:37.079 --> 01:47:39.640
<v Speaker 2>So let me give you the take of the organization.

2234
01:47:39.760 --> 01:47:43.039
<v Speaker 2>But that's an outlier. It's Steve Kerr, it's Steph, it's Draymond,

2235
01:47:43.079 --> 01:47:46.199
<v Speaker 2>and then that's it. So he could have simply just

2236
01:47:46.439 --> 01:47:49.960
<v Speaker 2>not said anything. To your point about not taking questions

2237
01:47:50.000 --> 01:47:53.199
<v Speaker 2>not a good look. But I started to from the

2238
01:47:53.239 --> 01:47:57.000
<v Speaker 2>minute I heard it, the thoughts been permeating through my mind.

2239
01:47:58.199 --> 01:47:59.039
<v Speaker 1>Why did you do that?

2240
01:48:00.000 --> 01:48:02.960
<v Speaker 2>So the simplest explanation is you're just mad. You feel

2241
01:48:03.000 --> 01:48:05.560
<v Speaker 2>like he got jobbed. You didn't like the call. That's

2242
01:48:05.600 --> 01:48:08.239
<v Speaker 2>the simplest explanation. You're mad, you're emotional, you want to

2243
01:48:08.279 --> 01:48:10.880
<v Speaker 2>send a message. But in what world has had a

2244
01:48:10.920 --> 01:48:15.039
<v Speaker 2>good idea? So I started wondering aloud, and I've talked

2245
01:48:15.079 --> 01:48:18.199
<v Speaker 2>about this on Monday, on yesterday's show cause he's The

2246
01:48:18.319 --> 01:48:20.880
<v Speaker 2>statement fell short too. It's missing two words, which is

2247
01:48:20.920 --> 01:48:24.039
<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry, Like we don't apologize. Well, in this country,

2248
01:48:24.119 --> 01:48:27.119
<v Speaker 2>we justify our bad behavior. I'm not judging I've done

2249
01:48:27.119 --> 01:48:29.760
<v Speaker 2>the same thing. But he said in a statement he

2250
01:48:29.800 --> 01:48:33.159
<v Speaker 2>went into the locker room, saw coaches and players. I

2251
01:48:33.319 --> 01:48:37.359
<v Speaker 2>wonder if he was trying to show Kyle like, I've

2252
01:48:37.359 --> 01:48:39.560
<v Speaker 2>got you back, and I'm a football guy.

2253
01:48:39.760 --> 01:48:40.479
<v Speaker 1>I'm tough too.

2254
01:48:41.159 --> 01:48:42.800
<v Speaker 2>At the end of the game, he's on the field

2255
01:48:42.920 --> 01:48:45.800
<v Speaker 2>yelling at the refs while the kick return was still going,

2256
01:48:46.680 --> 01:48:48.680
<v Speaker 2>and the video shows that Mark's on the field, which

2257
01:48:48.720 --> 01:48:52.079
<v Speaker 2>doesn't happen either. I just wonder if this was like

2258
01:48:52.239 --> 01:48:55.640
<v Speaker 2>a I'm gonna show my coach that no matter what,

2259
01:48:55.760 --> 01:48:57.920
<v Speaker 2>I'm right or die. I'm not saying that's a justification.

2260
01:48:58.199 --> 01:49:01.920
<v Speaker 2>I honestly cannot understand why a guy who I perceived

2261
01:49:01.960 --> 01:49:05.439
<v Speaker 2>to be as measured and Smart decided to take that approach.

2262
01:49:05.600 --> 01:49:09.319
<v Speaker 3>It did seem very out of character for the dealings

2263
01:49:09.359 --> 01:49:12.199
<v Speaker 3>that I had with him, because when I was at

2264
01:49:12.239 --> 01:49:14.760
<v Speaker 3>the radio station, it was his first couple of days

2265
01:49:14.800 --> 01:49:17.760
<v Speaker 3>on the job coming from USF, and he was always

2266
01:49:17.920 --> 01:49:22.920
<v Speaker 3>very professional, very easy to deal with, and pretty measured

2267
01:49:23.359 --> 01:49:26.399
<v Speaker 3>in what he was going to say. So I buy

2268
01:49:26.520 --> 01:49:30.560
<v Speaker 3>that a little bit, but I do not discount how

2269
01:49:31.119 --> 01:49:34.199
<v Speaker 3>angry people get when the result doesn't.

2270
01:49:33.960 --> 01:49:34.399
<v Speaker 1>Go your way.

2271
01:49:34.439 --> 01:49:36.800
<v Speaker 3>For sure, any game like that, and a game like

2272
01:49:36.920 --> 01:49:41.039
<v Speaker 3>that in the electricity of the atmosphere in the season

2273
01:49:41.600 --> 01:49:45.000
<v Speaker 3>that has happened for Utah as well, because the context

2274
01:49:45.439 --> 01:49:48.439
<v Speaker 3>of the entire tapestry of this year has to go

2275
01:49:48.560 --> 01:49:53.039
<v Speaker 3>into it. Because of all the expectations that this program

2276
01:49:53.239 --> 01:49:58.039
<v Speaker 3>had heading in and feeling the heat of things underneath you,

2277
01:49:58.800 --> 01:50:01.960
<v Speaker 3>things conspiraling, you start to lose your head. So many

2278
01:50:02.039 --> 01:50:06.560
<v Speaker 3>times athletes and coaches they act out of character when

2279
01:50:06.600 --> 01:50:10.359
<v Speaker 3>they're put into high pressured situations. That's how I saw

2280
01:50:10.399 --> 01:50:13.720
<v Speaker 3>it in it being very out of character, but ultimately

2281
01:50:13.960 --> 01:50:17.600
<v Speaker 3>the workings of someone who's really emotional after a loss

2282
01:50:17.680 --> 01:50:19.359
<v Speaker 3>in the way that Utah lost that game.

2283
01:50:19.960 --> 01:50:22.119
<v Speaker 2>And one more thing on this, then we'll move on

2284
01:50:22.239 --> 01:50:23.880
<v Speaker 2>with a couple of minutes we have left, and I

2285
01:50:24.000 --> 01:50:26.640
<v Speaker 2>honestly don't know what the dynamic is up there with

2286
01:50:27.199 --> 01:50:29.479
<v Speaker 2>how this all would have taken place, but I can remember,

2287
01:50:30.479 --> 01:50:34.199
<v Speaker 2>you know, my father always had a PR right hand man.

2288
01:50:34.279 --> 01:50:36.760
<v Speaker 2>His name was Eric Gelfan is now PR director for

2289
01:50:36.800 --> 01:50:38.479
<v Speaker 2>the New York Jets, but he was the PR director

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01:50:38.520 --> 01:50:40.840
<v Speaker 2>for the Garden for like fifteen years, including the ten years.

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01:50:40.720 --> 01:50:41.560
<v Speaker 1>That my dad was there.

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01:50:42.319 --> 01:50:44.560
<v Speaker 2>And before my dad would ever say anything, he would

2293
01:50:44.560 --> 01:50:47.680
<v Speaker 2>talk to Eric. No matter what, you know, Nick's heat,

2294
01:50:48.039 --> 01:50:50.880
<v Speaker 2>Nick's pacers, we could keep going, like all of the

2295
01:50:50.960 --> 01:50:54.680
<v Speaker 2>crazy emotional Nick nineties roller coasters stuff with players off

2296
01:50:54.720 --> 01:50:55.880
<v Speaker 2>the court that no one will ever know.

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01:50:56.479 --> 01:50:57.439
<v Speaker 1>He would always call him.

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01:50:57.520 --> 01:50:59.800
<v Speaker 2>He would always talk to him, and before he had

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01:51:00.079 --> 01:51:05.279
<v Speaker 2>rest the media, including when he was essentially sorry Pops,

2300
01:51:05.319 --> 01:51:07.640
<v Speaker 2>you know, outed for interviewing Phil Jackson, when Jeff van

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01:51:07.720 --> 01:51:09.319
<v Speaker 2>Getney was that coach. He calls Eric, He's like, what

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01:51:09.399 --> 01:51:12.720
<v Speaker 2>do we do? I just wonder if there's and maybe

2303
01:51:12.800 --> 01:51:14.680
<v Speaker 2>Mark just ran up to the podium was like, I'm

2304
01:51:14.720 --> 01:51:17.680
<v Speaker 2>not talking to anybody. But in moments like that, there's

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01:51:17.720 --> 01:51:20.760
<v Speaker 2>got to be contingencies and interferences in place to protect

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01:51:20.840 --> 01:51:22.920
<v Speaker 2>an emotional person from himself.

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01:51:23.239 --> 01:51:24.960
<v Speaker 3>That's why they have a cooling off period for the

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01:51:25.079 --> 01:51:29.640
<v Speaker 3>players ultimately, so that you can cool off literally from

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01:51:29.720 --> 01:51:34.000
<v Speaker 3>the game where all your emotions are happening. And it's

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01:51:34.079 --> 01:51:38.439
<v Speaker 3>why Blake Griffin does the great comedy bit of where

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01:51:38.479 --> 01:51:42.039
<v Speaker 3>he's just saying nothing after a postgame interview because I

2312
01:51:42.199 --> 01:51:44.439
<v Speaker 3>just exercised for two hours. How am I supposed to

2313
01:51:44.640 --> 01:51:46.880
<v Speaker 3>put into words what happened on the floor. I don't

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01:51:46.920 --> 01:51:50.720
<v Speaker 3>know what happened five seconds. It's an insane ask that

2315
01:51:50.800 --> 01:51:53.159
<v Speaker 3>we ask of these guys. Yeah, but it's funny the

2316
01:51:53.199 --> 01:51:56.399
<v Speaker 3>way that he does it and encourage that sort of

2317
01:51:56.479 --> 01:52:02.720
<v Speaker 3>deal to rewatch that. But he needed to think this

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01:52:03.000 --> 01:52:07.279
<v Speaker 3>through because it was so out of character for him.

2319
01:52:07.359 --> 01:52:10.279
<v Speaker 3>When Chris Hill was freaking out about the officials in

2320
01:52:10.359 --> 01:52:13.640
<v Speaker 3>the basketball game, He's an East Coast guy.

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01:52:13.720 --> 01:52:15.359
<v Speaker 1>That's what some East Coast guys do.

2322
01:52:15.880 --> 01:52:18.119
<v Speaker 3>Okay, they listen to a lot of Billy Joel, Bruce

2323
01:52:18.159 --> 01:52:19.920
<v Speaker 3>Springsteen and they get mad at people.

2324
01:52:20.000 --> 01:52:21.039
<v Speaker 1>They're rationally emotional.

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01:52:21.119 --> 01:52:23.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they're rationally emotional when they're driving down the turnpike

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01:52:23.880 --> 01:52:24.840
<v Speaker 3>around the Holland Tunnel.

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01:52:25.239 --> 01:52:26.039
<v Speaker 1>That's what they do.

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01:52:26.479 --> 01:52:29.119
<v Speaker 3>So when Chris Hill did that, it was very in characters.

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01:52:29.479 --> 01:52:33.359
<v Speaker 3>He's been that his entire career. He cares about basketball.

2330
01:52:33.399 --> 01:52:36.039
<v Speaker 3>You know that that was his number one sport on

2331
01:52:36.159 --> 01:52:39.840
<v Speaker 3>the Hill because of how much he loved the game.

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01:52:41.359 --> 01:52:44.800
<v Speaker 3>And for Mark to do that in that moment, it happens.

2333
01:52:45.079 --> 01:52:47.600
<v Speaker 3>It really does happen when people lose their heads, and

2334
01:52:48.840 --> 01:52:51.399
<v Speaker 3>it creates these moments that'll go down in infamy and

2335
01:52:51.680 --> 01:52:53.880
<v Speaker 3>adds another chapter to the old rivalry.

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01:52:53.760 --> 01:52:56.880
<v Speaker 2>And the news cycle will move on and people will

2337
01:52:57.359 --> 01:52:59.199
<v Speaker 2>hound in on different things. And I don't think he

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01:52:59.239 --> 01:53:01.159
<v Speaker 2>deserves to be hit with the head every single day.

2339
01:53:01.239 --> 01:53:03.920
<v Speaker 2>And for the Mark Harlan needs to lose his job.

2340
01:53:04.039 --> 01:53:06.840
<v Speaker 2>Crowd like, get offline, cal him down. You know, it

2341
01:53:06.960 --> 01:53:10.159
<v Speaker 2>was just a moment in time. But yeah, I still

2342
01:53:10.800 --> 01:53:13.560
<v Speaker 2>walking walking home and get pulled in that up on

2343
01:53:13.640 --> 01:53:17.039
<v Speaker 2>my phone was quite a moment, all right. Since you

2344
01:53:17.079 --> 01:53:20.279
<v Speaker 2>and I last spoke, there was a scene in Minnesota.

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01:53:20.359 --> 01:53:21.279
<v Speaker 3>I'm not going to talk about it.

2346
01:53:21.359 --> 01:53:21.520
<v Speaker 5>I know.

2347
01:53:22.039 --> 01:53:23.920
<v Speaker 1>Do you want you have any offseason thoughts or I.

2348
01:53:23.960 --> 01:53:26.439
<v Speaker 3>Don't want to talk about it, okay, because it's what

2349
01:53:26.600 --> 01:53:27.000
<v Speaker 3>I said.

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01:53:27.159 --> 01:53:29.119
<v Speaker 1>I know, I know this is hard for you, but

2351
01:53:30.039 --> 01:53:32.800
<v Speaker 1>you're emotional now, but you weren't as like you would have.

2352
01:53:32.880 --> 01:53:33.640
<v Speaker 1>Mark Harlan This.

2353
01:53:33.840 --> 01:53:35.920
<v Speaker 2>If I talked to you right after the Minnesota game,

2354
01:53:36.039 --> 01:53:39.680
<v Speaker 2>I know you've had a few days to digest thrown

2355
01:53:39.720 --> 01:53:43.800
<v Speaker 2>a chair too, it would have been completely founded. No

2356
01:53:43.880 --> 01:53:44.680
<v Speaker 2>one would have blamed you.

2357
01:53:45.039 --> 01:53:49.560
<v Speaker 3>They were different the second half of the season after

2358
01:53:49.760 --> 01:53:53.119
<v Speaker 3>the suspension, and they changed the team, and they didn't

2359
01:53:53.119 --> 01:53:56.159
<v Speaker 3>get back to that front half of the season. Four

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01:53:56.600 --> 01:54:01.319
<v Speaker 3>and ultimately RSL congratulations the most poet, YadA, YadA, YadA.

2361
01:54:01.520 --> 01:54:05.399
<v Speaker 3>Doesn't matter. Playoffs matter. That's it disrupt the chemistry of

2362
01:54:05.479 --> 01:54:09.960
<v Speaker 3>that team. Wow, that's it. I'm done. I gotta go,

2363
01:54:10.119 --> 01:54:11.720
<v Speaker 3>I gotta go. I can't do it anymore.

2364
01:54:11.800 --> 01:54:13.680
<v Speaker 1>Do you think Trey's job should be safe?

2365
01:54:14.359 --> 01:54:17.880
<v Speaker 3>I think his job is. He's fine. But it was very,

2366
01:54:18.239 --> 01:54:21.079
<v Speaker 3>very disappointing to see the way that the season ended.

2367
01:54:21.600 --> 01:54:24.680
<v Speaker 3>With all the bright hopes. I was expecting time at

2368
01:54:24.720 --> 01:54:30.359
<v Speaker 3>beer bar, but unfortunately it was ropped for me. Who's stolen?

2369
01:54:30.479 --> 01:54:31.720
<v Speaker 3>Some would say stolen?

2370
01:54:33.359 --> 01:54:34.119
<v Speaker 1>Did they even lose?

2371
01:54:34.159 --> 01:54:34.520
<v Speaker 9>I don't know.

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01:54:34.680 --> 01:54:36.399
<v Speaker 2>I mean, go back and look at the regas wish

2373
01:54:36.439 --> 01:54:39.520
<v Speaker 2>they didn't, all right, John Paul, tell our listeners where

2374
01:54:39.520 --> 01:54:42.079
<v Speaker 2>they can find all the awesome jazz podcasts these days.

2375
01:54:42.319 --> 01:54:46.000
<v Speaker 3>Utah Jazz Podcast Network just look it up on any

2376
01:54:46.079 --> 01:54:49.800
<v Speaker 3>of the podcasts platforms Utah Jazz Podcast Network you'll find

2377
01:54:50.000 --> 01:54:52.840
<v Speaker 3>an episode with Walker Kessler, The Lace one that I

2378
01:54:52.880 --> 01:54:55.479
<v Speaker 3>did on the road in Chicago after the Utah Jazz

2379
01:54:55.479 --> 01:54:56.119
<v Speaker 3>got their first win.

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01:54:56.279 --> 01:54:58.079
<v Speaker 1>AhR, buddy, see you tonight, thanks for popping in.

2381
01:54:58.279 --> 01:55:00.720
<v Speaker 2>John Paul Shanga check him out saw on the Utah

2382
01:55:00.840 --> 01:55:03.600
<v Speaker 2>Jazz Podcast Network. He calls games out for the royals

2383
01:55:03.720 --> 01:55:07.680
<v Speaker 2>and the stars. He's a very very busy boy. All right,

2384
01:55:07.680 --> 01:55:11.399
<v Speaker 2>what's going on? Driving five time on a Tuesday afternoon?

2385
01:55:11.800 --> 01:55:14.680
<v Speaker 2>A little snow and rain earlier today. It looks like

2386
01:55:14.800 --> 01:55:17.279
<v Speaker 2>it's still snowing up in the mountains, but it has

2387
01:55:17.399 --> 01:55:20.920
<v Speaker 2>settled here in downtown Salt Lake City, Utah. Still chile

2388
01:55:21.000 --> 01:55:23.479
<v Speaker 2>and cold and cloud even no rain or snow tonight.

2389
01:55:23.560 --> 01:55:26.720
<v Speaker 2>Looks like we're gonna have a pretty chilly week, but

2390
01:55:26.880 --> 01:55:29.239
<v Speaker 2>not a lot of precipitation in the benches. Of course,

2391
01:55:29.319 --> 01:55:31.560
<v Speaker 2>it is Utah, so wait for fifteen minutes and that

2392
01:55:31.640 --> 01:55:34.399
<v Speaker 2>could change. Happy Tuesday to you. Hope you're off to

2393
01:55:34.479 --> 01:55:37.000
<v Speaker 2>a good start to your work week after a bit

2394
01:55:37.079 --> 01:55:39.600
<v Speaker 2>of a chaotic weekend in the sports world end quite

2395
01:55:39.640 --> 01:55:44.319
<v Speaker 2>frankly in the world world. So busy Tuesday Show. Busy

2396
01:55:44.439 --> 01:55:47.359
<v Speaker 2>Tuesday night in both pro and college basketball. We've got

2397
01:55:47.399 --> 01:55:51.159
<v Speaker 2>the State Farm Champions Classic on ESPN right now, it's

2398
01:55:51.239 --> 01:55:53.880
<v Speaker 2>Kansas and Michigan State. Kansas is the number one team

2399
01:55:53.880 --> 01:55:56.560
<v Speaker 2>in the country both BYU and Utah. Fans need to

2400
01:55:56.600 --> 01:55:59.399
<v Speaker 2>start watching some Big Twelve basketball to see what you're

2401
01:55:59.520 --> 01:56:04.600
<v Speaker 2>getting into. We also are moments away from the CFP release,

2402
01:56:04.720 --> 01:56:07.439
<v Speaker 2>the second iteration of the CFP release that'll come your

2403
01:56:07.479 --> 01:56:11.880
<v Speaker 2>way tonight, and the local intrigue is where BYU ends up?

2404
01:56:11.960 --> 01:56:14.279
<v Speaker 1>How far does Miami fall? What about Georgia?

2405
01:56:14.479 --> 01:56:18.920
<v Speaker 2>As the upsets have continued in college football every single weekend,

2406
01:56:19.039 --> 01:56:23.399
<v Speaker 2>chaos has ensued built in the Big Twelve and then

2407
01:56:23.560 --> 01:56:26.399
<v Speaker 2>nationally as well, So of course that's something that we

2408
01:56:26.479 --> 01:56:31.079
<v Speaker 2>are keeping our eye on here. The CFP Playoff release

2409
01:56:31.239 --> 01:56:34.399
<v Speaker 2>the rankings, which again are not the seedings.

2410
01:56:34.560 --> 01:56:36.000
<v Speaker 1>The rankings are not the seatings.

2411
01:56:36.119 --> 01:56:39.479
<v Speaker 2>This is not anything that will be instructive as it

2412
01:56:39.560 --> 01:56:42.680
<v Speaker 2>pertains to the brackets, but it will be interesting to

2413
01:56:42.720 --> 01:56:46.079
<v Speaker 2>see after coming in at number nine last week, where

2414
01:56:46.159 --> 01:56:50.239
<v Speaker 2>BYU falls tonight. My guess is they're no higher than seven.

2415
01:56:50.920 --> 01:56:53.439
<v Speaker 2>I could probably stretch my mind to believe that they'll

2416
01:56:54.199 --> 01:56:57.000
<v Speaker 2>be coming in at number six. That's not necessarily something

2417
01:56:57.079 --> 01:57:00.520
<v Speaker 2>I agree with, per se, but I if you believe

2418
01:57:00.560 --> 01:57:03.319
<v Speaker 2>the committee sent a very loud statement a week ago

2419
01:57:04.159 --> 01:57:08.680
<v Speaker 2>ranking BYU at number nine as a very very massive

2420
01:57:09.239 --> 01:57:14.319
<v Speaker 2>indictment on the Big Twelve, and ultimately BYU right now

2421
01:57:14.439 --> 01:57:16.720
<v Speaker 2>is the heavy favorite to earn a spot in the

2422
01:57:16.800 --> 01:57:21.239
<v Speaker 2>conference championship game, and according to ESPN's FPI, they are

2423
01:57:21.239 --> 01:57:23.880
<v Speaker 2>a forty percent chance favorite to win it, which is

2424
01:57:23.960 --> 01:57:27.520
<v Speaker 2>the best in the Big Twelve. Vegas has installed Colorado

2425
01:57:27.840 --> 01:57:31.000
<v Speaker 2>as the favorite to win the Big Twelve as of now. Okay,

2426
01:57:31.159 --> 01:57:35.199
<v Speaker 2>so as a result of both BYUS win over Utah

2427
01:57:35.239 --> 01:57:37.439
<v Speaker 2>over the weekend and just continued chaos in the Big

2428
01:57:37.479 --> 01:57:41.920
<v Speaker 2>Twelve conference, BYU's margin of error is very very large

2429
01:57:42.000 --> 01:57:44.039
<v Speaker 2>right now, like they could essentially lose two of their

2430
01:57:44.079 --> 01:57:46.880
<v Speaker 2>final three games and probably still go to Dallas. The

2431
01:57:47.000 --> 01:57:50.720
<v Speaker 2>question remains that if Brigham Young stays clean over the

2432
01:57:50.800 --> 01:57:53.800
<v Speaker 2>final three games, and by the way, if you are

2433
01:57:53.920 --> 01:57:56.000
<v Speaker 2>just hopping in your car to start your commute home,

2434
01:57:57.039 --> 01:57:59.840
<v Speaker 2>BYU is only a three point favorite over a Kansas team,

2435
01:58:00.000 --> 01:58:01.520
<v Speaker 2>it seems to have turned a bit of a corner

2436
01:58:01.680 --> 01:58:04.399
<v Speaker 2>as of late. You know, it's a game that BYU

2437
01:58:04.520 --> 01:58:06.359
<v Speaker 2>is still a favorite in but only by three. The

2438
01:58:06.439 --> 01:58:09.359
<v Speaker 2>line hasn't moved, the spread is large, or excuse me,

2439
01:58:09.479 --> 01:58:12.600
<v Speaker 2>the over under is big at fifty five point five.

2440
01:58:13.399 --> 01:58:15.880
<v Speaker 2>But Kansas, one of the preseason teams that people thought

2441
01:58:15.920 --> 01:58:17.920
<v Speaker 2>would kind of be a sneaky pick to compete in

2442
01:58:18.039 --> 01:58:20.560
<v Speaker 2>conference play, of course, got off to a horrible start,

2443
01:58:21.279 --> 01:58:23.199
<v Speaker 2>not just in conference but in the season.

2444
01:58:23.720 --> 01:58:25.239
<v Speaker 1>But they won two of their last three.

2445
01:58:25.279 --> 01:58:28.239
<v Speaker 2>They beat Houston at home, they nearly beat k State

2446
01:58:28.319 --> 01:58:31.479
<v Speaker 2>in Manhattan, and then they hung forty five on Iowa

2447
01:58:31.520 --> 01:58:34.600
<v Speaker 2>State just a week ago. So Kansas comes in having

2448
01:58:34.680 --> 01:58:37.600
<v Speaker 2>figured something out. It's a late kick at LaBelle Edwards Stadium,

2449
01:58:37.640 --> 01:58:42.199
<v Speaker 2>eight to fifteen mountain time. And if BYU goes twelve

2450
01:58:42.199 --> 01:58:45.760
<v Speaker 2>to zero in the regular season, and if they lose

2451
01:58:45.760 --> 01:58:48.039
<v Speaker 2>in Dallas in the Big twelve championship game, what what

2452
01:58:48.199 --> 01:58:48.920
<v Speaker 2>does that look like?

2453
01:58:49.199 --> 01:58:51.359
<v Speaker 1>I'm still very curious.

2454
01:58:51.000 --> 01:58:54.520
<v Speaker 2>About this dynamic because I do think the committee sent

2455
01:58:54.600 --> 01:58:58.279
<v Speaker 2>the message a week ago that BYU at number nine

2456
01:58:59.039 --> 01:59:02.039
<v Speaker 2>is an indictment on who this conference is overall, and

2457
01:59:02.399 --> 01:59:02.840
<v Speaker 2>you are.

2458
01:59:02.840 --> 01:59:04.520
<v Speaker 1>A one big league.

2459
01:59:05.680 --> 01:59:07.840
<v Speaker 2>That's the way I took what happened a week ago

2460
01:59:08.119 --> 01:59:12.239
<v Speaker 2>that even a twelve and one BYU. Cougar football team

2461
01:59:12.520 --> 01:59:15.279
<v Speaker 2>that loses in the Big Twelve Championship Game could be

2462
01:59:15.479 --> 01:59:19.680
<v Speaker 2>left out of the twelve team CFP and whoever wins.

2463
01:59:20.159 --> 01:59:24.039
<v Speaker 2>The bottom line is, whoever wins the Big Twelve Championship

2464
01:59:24.159 --> 01:59:27.000
<v Speaker 2>is going to be the loan team that will represent

2465
01:59:27.079 --> 01:59:30.319
<v Speaker 2>this conference. That feels a little punitive, It feels a

2466
01:59:30.319 --> 01:59:33.920
<v Speaker 2>little unfair. I mean, there certainly is brand bias in

2467
01:59:33.960 --> 01:59:34.680
<v Speaker 2>college football.

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01:59:34.680 --> 01:59:37.039
<v Speaker 1>They're already there. There always has been. That's not a

2469
01:59:37.159 --> 01:59:39.880
<v Speaker 1>new thing. But if your BYU, everything's still in front

2470
01:59:39.920 --> 01:59:41.000
<v Speaker 1>of you. I mean that's the good news.

2471
01:59:41.039 --> 01:59:42.960
<v Speaker 2>But does it really matter if you stay clean the

2472
01:59:43.039 --> 01:59:44.600
<v Speaker 2>rest of the way if you lose the Big Twelve

2473
01:59:44.680 --> 01:59:48.000
<v Speaker 2>Championship game. A lot of that depends on what happens elsewhere,

2474
01:59:48.680 --> 01:59:51.039
<v Speaker 2>And because there's been so much chaos in college football,

2475
01:59:51.039 --> 01:59:53.159
<v Speaker 2>I guess we'll operate off the assumption that there will be.

2476
01:59:54.079 --> 01:59:55.760
<v Speaker 2>But of course that's kind of a big thing that's

2477
01:59:55.800 --> 01:59:56.600
<v Speaker 2>going to roll down the.

2478
01:59:56.600 --> 01:59:57.600
<v Speaker 1>Pipe here in a little bit.

2479
01:59:57.680 --> 02:00:01.119
<v Speaker 2>With the CFP rankings and where you will be and

2480
02:00:01.359 --> 02:00:04.359
<v Speaker 2>where Miami falls and where Georgia falls. You know, more

2481
02:00:04.479 --> 02:00:07.920
<v Speaker 2>upsets happening in college football. You know, ultimately a week

2482
02:00:07.960 --> 02:00:09.920
<v Speaker 2>ago I would imagine we're gonna got more upsets coming

2483
02:00:10.000 --> 02:00:13.560
<v Speaker 2>up this weekend. On the Utah football side of things,

2484
02:00:13.760 --> 02:00:17.039
<v Speaker 2>Makai Pittman about twenty minutes ago, and I'm seeing this

2485
02:00:17.159 --> 02:00:20.439
<v Speaker 2>on social as a result of Josh Furlong sending it

2486
02:00:20.439 --> 02:00:22.479
<v Speaker 2>out a tweet. Makai Pittman has sent out a video

2487
02:00:23.079 --> 02:00:26.159
<v Speaker 2>explaining why he left the Utah program. I did not

2488
02:00:26.279 --> 02:00:27.880
<v Speaker 2>know any of this, but MacKaye is saying that he

2489
02:00:28.159 --> 02:00:31.840
<v Speaker 2>was badly banged up, an injury that should take eight

2490
02:00:31.880 --> 02:00:33.680
<v Speaker 2>to twelve weeks to heal, but he said he came

2491
02:00:33.760 --> 02:00:35.520
<v Speaker 2>back and put his body on the line to play,

2492
02:00:36.199 --> 02:00:37.960
<v Speaker 2>said he needed tour it all to play, but too

2493
02:00:38.000 --> 02:00:41.720
<v Speaker 2>many adverse side effects. And you know that rumor surfaced

2494
02:00:41.720 --> 02:00:43.239
<v Speaker 2>about a week week and a half ago that he

2495
02:00:43.319 --> 02:00:45.239
<v Speaker 2>was no longer with a program. But I couldn't really

2496
02:00:45.279 --> 02:00:49.039
<v Speaker 2>coroberate it until right before the game. But MacKaye has

2497
02:00:49.079 --> 02:00:52.279
<v Speaker 2>released a video kind of explaining what is going on

2498
02:00:52.439 --> 02:00:56.119
<v Speaker 2>with him. Apparently I had a partially torn achilles and yeah,

2499
02:00:56.119 --> 02:00:58.000
<v Speaker 2>I had to use painkillers to play through the pain.

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02:00:58.880 --> 02:01:00.800
<v Speaker 2>So wish him the best he finds a good place

2501
02:01:00.840 --> 02:01:03.880
<v Speaker 2>to land on his feet. Obviously started at Oregon, ended

2502
02:01:03.960 --> 02:01:06.479
<v Speaker 2>up at the University of Utah. A lot of the

2503
02:01:06.600 --> 02:01:09.399
<v Speaker 2>news cycle over the course of the past forty eight

2504
02:01:09.439 --> 02:01:12.439
<v Speaker 2>hours has been the comments made after the game by

2505
02:01:12.640 --> 02:01:16.600
<v Speaker 2>University of Uta athletic director Mark Harlan, receiving a lot

2506
02:01:17.039 --> 02:01:20.439
<v Speaker 2>of attention both locally and nationally. And you know, when

2507
02:01:20.479 --> 02:01:24.039
<v Speaker 2>the dust settles, we can always look back on Utah

2508
02:01:24.119 --> 02:01:28.279
<v Speaker 2>BYU games and kind of explain the most legendary ones

2509
02:01:28.399 --> 02:01:32.560
<v Speaker 2>with one play, with one name, with one player, with

2510
02:01:32.680 --> 02:01:37.880
<v Speaker 2>one coach, with one statement, magic happens. Brandon Burton block,

2511
02:01:38.680 --> 02:01:42.079
<v Speaker 2>Brett Ratliffe game back to Harlean fourth and eighteen.

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<v Speaker 1>I think in ten years this is going to be

2513
02:01:44.119 --> 02:01:46.159
<v Speaker 1>the Mark Harlan game. I really think.

2514
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<v Speaker 2>That's been the main storyline. It's continued to reverberate. You

2515
02:01:50.720 --> 02:01:52.439
<v Speaker 2>guys can all, you know, take the piss out of

2516
02:01:52.479 --> 02:01:54.560
<v Speaker 2>each other online and complain about the fourth and tent

2517
02:01:54.640 --> 02:01:58.199
<v Speaker 2>holding call as much as you want. There's really nothing

2518
02:01:58.319 --> 02:02:01.199
<v Speaker 2>left to debate or argue. But it does seem to

2519
02:02:01.239 --> 02:02:04.159
<v Speaker 2>be the comments of Mark Carlin that permeate throughout the

2520
02:02:04.479 --> 02:02:09.479
<v Speaker 2>you know, the following couple of days of coverage since

2521
02:02:09.520 --> 02:02:12.079
<v Speaker 2>the game ended on Saturday night, Utah does hit the

2522
02:02:12.199 --> 02:02:16.000
<v Speaker 2>road coming up this weekend in Boulder, taking out a

2523
02:02:16.079 --> 02:02:19.199
<v Speaker 2>Colorado team that has much improved along the offensive front.

2524
02:02:19.920 --> 02:02:22.039
<v Speaker 2>They have two of the most dynamic skill position players

2525
02:02:22.079 --> 02:02:24.800
<v Speaker 2>in all college football. One of the best players that

2526
02:02:24.880 --> 02:02:26.680
<v Speaker 2>I simply have ever seen play. Every time I watch

2527
02:02:26.760 --> 02:02:29.279
<v Speaker 2>Travis Hutter, I'm blown away. Colorado seven and two, they're

2528
02:02:29.319 --> 02:02:32.319
<v Speaker 2>five and one in conference play and as of now,

2529
02:02:32.399 --> 02:02:34.239
<v Speaker 2>they are the Vegas favorite to win the Big twelve.

2530
02:02:34.359 --> 02:02:38.319
<v Speaker 2>Utah is a ten point underdog on the road in Boulder.

2531
02:02:38.439 --> 02:02:41.640
<v Speaker 2>That kicktime is going to be a ten am, which

2532
02:02:41.680 --> 02:02:44.720
<v Speaker 2>means our pregame coverage with Porter Larsen and Jordan Win

2533
02:02:45.800 --> 02:02:47.960
<v Speaker 2>and I would imagine some hot coffee and some heavily

2534
02:02:48.000 --> 02:02:53.359
<v Speaker 2>caffeinated situations will begin at six am Mountain time on Saturday.

2535
02:02:53.439 --> 02:02:54.960
<v Speaker 2>You said yesterday you were going to try to do

2536
02:02:55.039 --> 02:02:56.840
<v Speaker 2>this from your bed, but looks like you're gonna have

2537
02:02:56.840 --> 02:02:57.640
<v Speaker 2>to come into the studio.

2538
02:02:57.760 --> 02:03:00.279
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, we'll be in studio, but can confirm on the

2539
02:03:00.840 --> 02:03:02.239
<v Speaker 4>caffeinated assistance.

2540
02:03:02.640 --> 02:03:04.560
<v Speaker 1>Let me ask you this. We touched on this earlier.

2541
02:03:04.800 --> 02:03:07.239
<v Speaker 1>And you know, Porter's a guy that knows the program well.

2542
02:03:07.560 --> 02:03:10.239
<v Speaker 2>It does our pregame, you know, every single game and

2543
02:03:11.119 --> 02:03:13.319
<v Speaker 2>talk to a lot of people up there I will

2544
02:03:13.399 --> 02:03:18.159
<v Speaker 2>not bring Twitter rumors on air, never have, never will.

2545
02:03:18.880 --> 02:03:23.760
<v Speaker 2>But there are rumors about multiple injuries as a result

2546
02:03:23.800 --> 02:03:25.840
<v Speaker 2>of what happened on Saturday night. We know that Bran

2547
02:03:25.920 --> 02:03:29.399
<v Speaker 2>Keithy is lost for the year, and there are a

2548
02:03:29.439 --> 02:03:31.760
<v Speaker 2>lot of people surmising that Brandon Rose might be on

2549
02:03:31.880 --> 02:03:34.520
<v Speaker 2>that list of injured players, and some people saying that

2550
02:03:34.600 --> 02:03:35.720
<v Speaker 2>they're hearing he's lost too.

2551
02:03:35.840 --> 02:03:38.159
<v Speaker 1>I can't cooberate it. We have not heard from the school.

2552
02:03:38.880 --> 02:03:41.159
<v Speaker 2>But what is your understanding of where we're at with

2553
02:03:41.239 --> 02:03:43.800
<v Speaker 2>the health of Utah football prior to Saturday at Colorado.

2554
02:03:43.960 --> 02:03:44.119
<v Speaker 9>Yeah.

2555
02:03:44.119 --> 02:03:47.279
<v Speaker 4>Well, luckily last week they for the most part, got

2556
02:03:47.359 --> 02:03:50.880
<v Speaker 4>a lot of the guys defensively back that they had

2557
02:03:50.960 --> 02:03:53.680
<v Speaker 4>been without for a good part of the year. Keanutana

2558
02:03:53.720 --> 02:03:57.880
<v Speaker 4>Vasa Junior, Tafuna Simoto Pepa's still in and out of

2559
02:03:57.920 --> 02:04:00.479
<v Speaker 4>the lineup, but Tavita Fo two is back the fold.

2560
02:04:00.600 --> 02:04:04.199
<v Speaker 4>So the defensive line that was for large parts of

2561
02:04:04.279 --> 02:04:09.479
<v Speaker 4>the early season pretty much non existent is back to

2562
02:04:09.560 --> 02:04:12.159
<v Speaker 4>mostly full strength. You've got conro O' tool, You've got

2563
02:04:12.239 --> 02:04:15.520
<v Speaker 4>the you know, Fano and the guys outside, and then

2564
02:04:15.600 --> 02:04:18.840
<v Speaker 4>now you do have the fellas in the middle back

2565
02:04:18.920 --> 02:04:21.640
<v Speaker 4>in the fold. But as you mentioned that offense man

2566
02:04:21.800 --> 02:04:25.960
<v Speaker 4>just continues to take hit after hit after hit. It's

2567
02:04:26.000 --> 02:04:29.520
<v Speaker 4>Michael Mukafisi, It's Micah Pittman, it's money Parks, it's you know,

2568
02:04:29.840 --> 02:04:32.279
<v Speaker 4>you go down the list. And now the rumors of

2569
02:04:32.720 --> 02:04:35.199
<v Speaker 4>one Brandon Rose being done for the year, you know,

2570
02:04:35.439 --> 02:04:37.760
<v Speaker 4>I can't confirm that, And I bet you you'll hear

2571
02:04:37.800 --> 02:04:39.840
<v Speaker 4>from Kyle Whittingham on the on the Coaches Show here

2572
02:04:40.279 --> 02:04:43.039
<v Speaker 4>in about forty five minutes or so. I'm sure he'll

2573
02:04:43.119 --> 02:04:46.359
<v Speaker 4>touch on that if it's season ending. Sometimes he is

2574
02:04:46.720 --> 02:04:49.279
<v Speaker 4>one that will, you know, talk about it only in

2575
02:04:49.439 --> 02:04:53.319
<v Speaker 4>that circumstance. I wouldn't be surprised if because it's the quarterback,

2576
02:04:53.399 --> 02:04:57.520
<v Speaker 4>he decides to play at koy up until Saturday. But

2577
02:04:57.720 --> 02:04:59.840
<v Speaker 4>what I did see and what I can confirm, is

2578
02:04:59.840 --> 02:05:03.119
<v Speaker 4>that I saw Brandon banged up after the game. He

2579
02:05:03.199 --> 02:05:05.840
<v Speaker 4>was walking off the field hurt. He went over to

2580
02:05:05.880 --> 02:05:09.039
<v Speaker 4>the medical staff as he left the field the final

2581
02:05:09.119 --> 02:05:13.520
<v Speaker 4>time on the game versus b Yu. And you know,

2582
02:05:14.319 --> 02:05:17.000
<v Speaker 4>whether that is something that's going to keep him out

2583
02:05:17.039 --> 02:05:19.399
<v Speaker 4>for multiple weeks or the remainder of the year, I'm

2584
02:05:19.399 --> 02:05:22.039
<v Speaker 4>sure we'll find out in the next couple of days.

2585
02:05:22.079 --> 02:05:25.680
<v Speaker 4>But yeah, man, it's just a continuation of a situation

2586
02:05:25.840 --> 02:05:30.319
<v Speaker 4>where you like to pin it on you know, non

2587
02:05:30.439 --> 02:05:35.560
<v Speaker 4>contact stuff, bad luck, real bad injury bug. But at

2588
02:05:35.560 --> 02:05:40.079
<v Speaker 4>a at a certain level, Spence, you gotta start examining

2589
02:05:40.119 --> 02:05:43.680
<v Speaker 4>other things. And I think this Utah football team is

2590
02:05:43.840 --> 02:05:44.680
<v Speaker 4>probably be on that point.

2591
02:05:44.840 --> 02:05:46.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean five straight l's. You can't put it

2592
02:05:46.880 --> 02:05:47.600
<v Speaker 1>on one position.

2593
02:05:47.840 --> 02:05:50.319
<v Speaker 2>We've tried to be as reductive and fair as possible

2594
02:05:50.399 --> 02:05:52.960
<v Speaker 2>to talk about the health of Cameron who or whoever

2595
02:05:53.039 --> 02:05:53.920
<v Speaker 2>else is under center.

2596
02:05:54.000 --> 02:05:56.199
<v Speaker 1>My guess is if Brandon's hurt, it'll be Isaac.

2597
02:05:56.319 --> 02:05:59.239
<v Speaker 2>But rumors about Isaac's risk too, and so maybe we

2598
02:05:59.319 --> 02:06:03.000
<v Speaker 2>see my guy, the Ferrari, Luke Batari under center like

2599
02:06:03.079 --> 02:06:05.359
<v Speaker 2>he was against Colorado a year ago. The Chicago Bears

2600
02:06:05.439 --> 02:06:09.479
<v Speaker 2>fired Shane Waldron today their offensive coordinator Caleb Williams twenty

2601
02:06:09.560 --> 02:06:11.920
<v Speaker 2>ninth in QBR in Pro football, which of course is

2602
02:06:12.000 --> 02:06:14.239
<v Speaker 2>not good enough. And if you woke up with an

2603
02:06:14.279 --> 02:06:16.239
<v Speaker 2>extra pep in your staff this morning, like I did

2604
02:06:16.279 --> 02:06:18.840
<v Speaker 2>you know that it's time for the NBA Cup?

2605
02:06:19.760 --> 02:06:22.239
<v Speaker 1>That's right, it's here. Did you even know? Did you

2606
02:06:22.279 --> 02:06:23.159
<v Speaker 1>even have any idea?

2607
02:06:23.800 --> 02:06:26.920
<v Speaker 2>Turner Sports has a pretty interesting doubleheader tonight. If you're

2608
02:06:26.960 --> 02:06:28.640
<v Speaker 2>not going to the Jazz game. I'm gonna head down

2609
02:06:28.680 --> 02:06:31.640
<v Speaker 2>and see the Suns and the Jazz. No Kevin Durant

2610
02:06:31.720 --> 02:06:34.840
<v Speaker 2>tonight for the Suns. Looks like Keante George is expected

2611
02:06:34.920 --> 02:06:37.479
<v Speaker 2>to play for the Jazz, but Walker Kessler is out

2612
02:06:38.399 --> 02:06:41.039
<v Speaker 2>seven o'clock at the Delta Center. The Knicks and the

2613
02:06:41.079 --> 02:06:43.239
<v Speaker 2>Sixers are about to tip off from the Wells Fargo

2614
02:06:43.359 --> 02:06:46.600
<v Speaker 2>Center in Philly, and then Klay Thompson is back at

2615
02:06:46.640 --> 02:06:48.520
<v Speaker 2>the Chase Center in the Bay Area to play the

2616
02:06:48.600 --> 02:06:51.640
<v Speaker 2>Golden State Warriors team he won four rings with with

2617
02:06:51.680 --> 02:06:55.159
<v Speaker 2>Stephen Curry and Draymond Green and Steve Kerr and company.

2618
02:06:55.239 --> 02:06:55.960
<v Speaker 1>So the MAVs and the.

2619
02:06:55.960 --> 02:07:00.319
<v Speaker 2>Warriors tonight on Turner as well, but the NBA League Cup,

2620
02:07:00.520 --> 02:07:04.600
<v Speaker 2>the Emirates NBA League Cup sponsor attached of course here

2621
02:07:04.720 --> 02:07:07.359
<v Speaker 2>in town as the Suns are taking on the Utah

2622
02:07:07.479 --> 02:07:09.199
<v Speaker 2>Jazz five o'clock hour.

2623
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<v Speaker 1>The drive today is powered by Larry H.

2624
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2627
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2628
02:07:25.560 --> 02:07:28.920
<v Speaker 2>Busy night of NBA hoops. Is the NBA League Cup

2629
02:07:29.159 --> 02:07:32.159
<v Speaker 2>is here, Jazz in action tonight taking on the Phoenix Suns.

2630
02:07:32.199 --> 02:07:34.600
<v Speaker 2>Get a head on down to the arena on this

2631
02:07:34.840 --> 02:07:39.079
<v Speaker 2>really cold chili yet clear now kind of clouds.

2632
02:07:38.680 --> 02:07:43.479
<v Speaker 1>No rain, no snow, Tuesday evening, so come on down there.

2633
02:07:44.199 --> 02:07:46.720
<v Speaker 2>Obviously when it is football season, kind of waiting for

2634
02:07:46.800 --> 02:07:49.399
<v Speaker 2>Thursday to get rolling. So you get pro football back

2635
02:07:49.479 --> 02:07:53.600
<v Speaker 2>for a little week eleven, which is crazy to think about,

2636
02:07:53.720 --> 02:07:54.600
<v Speaker 2>but fun show today.

2637
02:07:54.720 --> 02:07:55.279
<v Speaker 1>Lot going on.

2638
02:07:55.560 --> 02:07:59.199
<v Speaker 2>Certainly you can hear the Coach Wit Coaches Show, Kyle

2639
02:07:59.199 --> 02:08:02.319
<v Speaker 2>Whittingham Coach Show coming up on the other side, and then.

2640
02:08:02.319 --> 02:08:04.479
<v Speaker 1>Utah Men's basketball taking on Queens.

2641
02:08:05.640 --> 02:08:07.960
<v Speaker 2>Queen's doing the I think I'm supposed to say, Queen

2642
02:08:08.039 --> 02:08:11.199
<v Speaker 2>stand up Queen's Bridge. We're on our test stand up.

2643
02:08:11.439 --> 02:08:13.880
<v Speaker 2>Queen's doing the in state tour there in Salt Lake

2644
02:08:13.920 --> 02:08:17.880
<v Speaker 2>today and improv of tomorrow. I gotta say, man, it

2645
02:08:18.399 --> 02:08:25.119
<v Speaker 2>feels like Bill just decided to give Sean the coach

2646
02:08:25.159 --> 02:08:27.800
<v Speaker 2>a show this week. Bill has to call the men's

2647
02:08:27.840 --> 02:08:31.159
<v Speaker 2>game tonight. Okay, so that's what's happening. But when Sean

2648
02:08:31.239 --> 02:08:33.279
<v Speaker 2>Tolby he was filling in for Riles tonight on the

2649
02:08:33.479 --> 02:08:35.960
<v Speaker 2>Coach Wit Coaches Show. It seemed like a very convenient

2650
02:08:36.000 --> 02:08:37.840
<v Speaker 2>week for Bill not to have to deal with what

2651
02:08:37.960 --> 02:08:38.800
<v Speaker 2>could be a very.

2652
02:08:39.640 --> 02:08:44.399
<v Speaker 1>Tired, frustrated in his fields. As the kids would say,

2653
02:08:44.560 --> 02:08:45.000
<v Speaker 1>coach Wit.

2654
02:08:45.359 --> 02:08:50.039
<v Speaker 4>Right, Kyle is a, let's be clear, very good to

2655
02:08:50.680 --> 02:08:53.319
<v Speaker 4>us as far as the media goes, the you know,

2656
02:08:53.560 --> 02:08:57.760
<v Speaker 4>the the interviews, all of the above. But I don't

2657
02:08:57.800 --> 02:09:01.199
<v Speaker 4>necessarily know that even though he's good to us, he

2658
02:09:01.880 --> 02:09:04.880
<v Speaker 4>enjoys that part of the gig. You know, it's it's

2659
02:09:04.920 --> 02:09:07.119
<v Speaker 4>part of it. You get paid handsomely to do it.

2660
02:09:07.720 --> 02:09:11.920
<v Speaker 4>He understands and is a pro about it. But let's

2661
02:09:12.000 --> 02:09:15.039
<v Speaker 4>just say that if Kyle had his brothers, he would

2662
02:09:15.119 --> 02:09:17.640
<v Speaker 4>not be doing a coaches show tonight, right, Nor would

2663
02:09:17.640 --> 02:09:19.239
<v Speaker 4>he be doing one last week or the week before

2664
02:09:19.479 --> 02:09:22.119
<v Speaker 4>next week, or you know, that's just that's just kind

2665
02:09:22.159 --> 02:09:25.159
<v Speaker 4>of the them o there. So yeah, after a loss

2666
02:09:25.319 --> 02:09:30.920
<v Speaker 4>like that, and after the media circus around the loss afterwards,

2667
02:09:31.760 --> 02:09:36.760
<v Speaker 4>probably not the ideal thing for for Kyle be doing

2668
02:09:36.800 --> 02:09:40.199
<v Speaker 4>on a Tuesday night. But again, he'll come do the

2669
02:09:40.279 --> 02:09:42.960
<v Speaker 4>work and do the job and and of course get

2670
02:09:43.079 --> 02:09:47.399
<v Speaker 4>to get us ready for Colorado on a early Saturday.

2671
02:09:47.000 --> 02:09:50.479
<v Speaker 2>Morning, so you'll hear coach Witch, Sean O'Connell and for

2672
02:09:50.600 --> 02:09:53.439
<v Speaker 2>Rile smith Snowden, some other players are gonna be joining

2673
02:09:53.479 --> 02:09:57.760
<v Speaker 2>the Kyle Whningham Coaches Show. Then after that men's basketball

2674
02:09:57.920 --> 02:10:01.039
<v Speaker 2>taking on Queens. All right, Porter, before we get out

2675
02:10:01.039 --> 02:10:03.560
<v Speaker 2>of here, what comes our way? On a Wednesday edition

2676
02:10:03.800 --> 02:10:04.479
<v Speaker 2>of the program.

2677
02:10:04.640 --> 02:10:07.239
<v Speaker 4>On a Wednesday edition of The Drive, halfway through the

2678
02:10:07.319 --> 02:10:10.279
<v Speaker 4>work week, spend Zach Harper stops by for the NBA

2679
02:10:10.479 --> 02:10:12.880
<v Speaker 4>Daily Assists. As you've been talking about the NBA Cup

2680
02:10:13.640 --> 02:10:16.680
<v Speaker 4>Big story of the week, man is here Neil Smith

2681
02:10:16.880 --> 02:10:19.920
<v Speaker 4>for behind the Glass segment. Of course, each and every

2682
02:10:19.960 --> 02:10:22.319
<v Speaker 4>week we chat with the former Stanley Cup winner on

2683
02:10:22.439 --> 02:10:25.600
<v Speaker 4>the latest with the Utah Hockey Club and the NHL

2684
02:10:25.800 --> 02:10:28.560
<v Speaker 4>Chris com Ronnie's actually going to join us in studio

2685
02:10:28.640 --> 02:10:32.199
<v Speaker 4>tomorrow because he is out of pocket later in the week,

2686
02:10:32.359 --> 02:10:35.039
<v Speaker 4>so we'll we'll wrap it up there and actually do

2687
02:10:35.159 --> 02:10:36.800
<v Speaker 4>some sports court on a Wednesday as well. We're kind

2688
02:10:36.800 --> 02:10:41.479
<v Speaker 4>of shuffling things around for a few schedules on this Wednesday.

2689
02:10:41.600 --> 02:10:44.159
<v Speaker 1>Adapter Diveporterer exactly.

2690
02:10:43.920 --> 02:10:46.159
<v Speaker 2>Adapter dies you do'll do that on a Wednesday show

2691
02:10:46.199 --> 02:10:48.239
<v Speaker 2>with that will say an I it's special, thank you today.

2692
02:10:48.359 --> 02:10:52.880
<v Speaker 2>Tim McMahon, Max Chadwick, Lynn Roberts, JP, John Paul Changa.

2693
02:10:52.960 --> 02:10:54.520
<v Speaker 2>For any of the sound you may have missed from

2694
02:10:54.560 --> 02:10:57.920
<v Speaker 2>the show, the website's at option, which is ESPN seven

2695
02:10:58.039 --> 02:11:00.319
<v Speaker 2>hundred sports dot com. Make sure to downloa load our

2696
02:11:00.359 --> 02:11:02.000
<v Speaker 2>mobile app and take us on the go. So how

2697
02:11:02.079 --> 02:11:05.039
<v Speaker 2>I listen to our station ESPN seven hundred app that's

2698
02:11:05.039 --> 02:11:09.439
<v Speaker 2>available in the App Store or the Google Play stores. Well, finally,

2699
02:11:09.520 --> 02:11:12.239
<v Speaker 2>for what we do in our space every afternoon for

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<v Speaker 2>four hours, check out our podcast phase. We call that

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<v Speaker 2>the Drive with Spence. Check its that's available wherever you

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<v Speaker 1>E Sporter.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Spence saying tonight, enjoy your Tuesday evening. We'll talk

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<v Speaker 2>to you on a Wednesday show right here on ESPN

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