Speaker 1: All right, what's going on?
Speaker 2: Drive time? Tuesday afternoon, about nine minutes past the hour
Speaker 2: of two o'clock, winter has come calling. It is rainy,
Speaker 2: it is snowy, It is cold here in downtown Salt
Speaker 2: Lake City, Utah. A lot of snow off on the
Speaker 2: east bench, a ton of snow up in the mountains.
Speaker 2: Good for the snow bros. I always want to watch
Speaker 2: out for the snow bros. Get in some chetta.
Speaker 1: Nope, I'm not gonna do the snowbro impersonation today.
Speaker 2: It's too early for that. It is the first storm
Speaker 2: of the year, at least down to the benches when
Speaker 2: you're kind of shoveling the walks a little bit. But
Speaker 2: as it is every single day, it's gonna have you
Speaker 2: along for the ride. Spence checkets beyond the mic. That's
Speaker 2: Porter Larson behind the glass on this Tuesday afternoon. Your
Speaker 2: weekend Pro football came to a closed last night with
Speaker 2: a little Monday Night football. The Dolphins took care of
Speaker 2: the rams, and now we're high speed ahead to week eleven,
Speaker 2: which still feels pretty crazy down the stretch. For your
Speaker 2: fantasy football seasons, you guys can playoff position. Well, if
Speaker 2: you're not you better start getting to her.
Speaker 1: Coming up Thursday night, it's gonna be the.
Speaker 2: Command and the Eagles from Lincoln Financial Field. Jayden Daniels
Speaker 2: taking on Jalen Hurts. Right now, Philly a three point
Speaker 2: five point favorite. We're gonna do a little pro football
Speaker 2: on the show today, look back on the week that was,
Speaker 2: and look out to the week that will be. On
Speaker 2: tuesdays of the week, the week, at least not our show.
Speaker 2: We still kind of exist in the space of what
Speaker 2: has happened, what just happened, as opposed to what's coming up,
Speaker 2: what happens next. So he a little more Utah byu
Speaker 2: rivalry game. I know a lot of people probably tired
Speaker 2: of it. Interested to hear coach with tonight on the
Speaker 2: Coaches Show right after we say goodnight at six o'clock.
Speaker 2: Kyle looked and sounded very tired yesterday on a Monday morning,
Speaker 2: which you would expect.
Speaker 1: Kilani satake, on.
Speaker 2: The other hand, for his media availability, very excited about
Speaker 2: what could be next for his team. Now Tonight will
Speaker 2: be the seconds reveal of the CFP poll, where will
Speaker 2: BYU Land.
Speaker 1: There's seven in the.
Speaker 2: And as of now they're nine in the College Football
Speaker 2: Pull I would imagine they move up Georgia loses, Miami loses.
Speaker 2: BYU is one of four undefeated teams left, and I
Speaker 2: believe one of three P four teams that are undefeated. Oregon,
Speaker 2: Indiana and Brigham Young the three undefeated teams. I believe
Speaker 2: Army is the fourth. So I would imagine they're going
Speaker 2: to move up tonight. Maybe seven would be my guest.
Speaker 2: I know BYU fans believe they should be higher, but
Speaker 2: that's just kind of the deal with that fan base.
Speaker 2: So you pad them on the head, say take care,
Speaker 2: truck along, put your shoulder to the wheel. So we'll
Speaker 2: find out tonight where BYU lands in the second Federation
Speaker 2: of the CFP poll, and of course bring that to
Speaker 2: you as it comes to us. So of course it's
Speaker 2: a big day.
Speaker 1: Everyone very excited.
Speaker 2: You can feel the buzz in the market as tonight
Speaker 2: is the triumphant return slash debut of the NBA Cup.
Speaker 2: That's right, the Phoenix are in town to take on
Speaker 2: the Utah Jazz. Kevin Durant will not play as he
Speaker 2: has a calf injury, but this.
Speaker 1: Is NBA Cup Group play. Guys.
Speaker 2: I know you've been waiting for it for a while
Speaker 2: it was called the play in Tournament a year ago,
Speaker 2: the Emitanus NBA Cup. It's kind of like a soccer
Speaker 2: European mid season tournament to try to give the players
Speaker 2: more motivation to play during the regular season, which is
Speaker 2: just going so well. Way to go, knock that out
Speaker 2: of the park. NBA ratings are in the toilet right now.
Speaker 2: A lot of that is probably because we are simply
Speaker 2: entrenched in football, both college and pro. But we'll do
Speaker 2: some pro basketball on the show tonight. We're gonna do
Speaker 2: some college basketball on the show as well, as we're
Speaker 2: kind of making our way into college basketball season. It's
Speaker 2: already started, and we'll do some Utah women's hoops with
Speaker 2: Lynn Roberts today on the show. The Utah Men in
Speaker 2: Action threight against Queen's College Baby, So a lot of
Speaker 2: college basketball already kind of permeating BYU will play Queen's
Speaker 2: tomorrow and then they have Idaho at home. They're gonna
Speaker 2: start kind of seeing what they're all about when Old
Speaker 2: Miss comes into town the day after Thanksgiving. Old misses
Speaker 2: the top twenty five team, so a lot to get
Speaker 2: to on the show today, latest with the rivalry game
Speaker 2: folloout the comments of Mark Harlan that continue to be
Speaker 2: heavily discussed both locally and nationally.
Speaker 1: Getting you ready for a busy weekend in.
Speaker 2: Pro and college football, NBA Cup, Utah Jazz Action. Tim
Speaker 2: McMahon will join us right out of the gates from
Speaker 2: ESPN for your NBA Daily assist, Max Chadwick Pro Football
Speaker 2: Focus for some pro and college football aforementioned, Glynn Roberts
Speaker 2: for some Utah women's hoops, and then our buddy, our
Speaker 2: old producer JP, John Paul Chunga, who now is wearing
Speaker 2: a bunch of different hats. He does a lot of
Speaker 2: the podcasting over for the Utah Jazz Podcast Network.
Speaker 1: He does the Utah Royals.
Speaker 2: He's the voice of the Royals, and this season it
Speaker 2: is the debut of JP as the voice of these
Speaker 2: Salt Lake City Stars. So our guy is busy, bringaman
Speaker 2: studio today to chat a little bit of everything quite
Speaker 2: frankly on this to on this Tuesday afternoon. So Tim McMahon,
Speaker 2: Max Chadwick, Lynn Roberts, J Peach Shanga, Me Spence checkets,
Speaker 2: all of you the great listeners. And that guy Porter
Speaker 2: Larson in a vest i took the vest off.
Speaker 1: He's wearing a Milwaukee Beer sweatshirt.
Speaker 2: But if it's cold and snowy outside, the vest is
Speaker 2: a handy thing to have in your repertoire, you gotta
Speaker 2: have it. Milwaukee power Tools, just to be very clear, Well,
Speaker 2: there's a Milwaukee beer and that I think your power
Speaker 2: tool company stole the Milwaukee beer kind of, Randy, I don't.
Speaker 1: Know about that, but it'll look into it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's vest weather.
Speaker 4: So glad it's wintertime kind of but looking forward to
Speaker 4: the season, and as you mentioned, spent plenty to get
Speaker 4: to today, still reacting to what was a holy war
Speaker 4: that gave us fodder probably for weeks, months, however long
Speaker 4: it may take UH and some some college football to
Speaker 4: get to with the CFP rankings this afternoon, Jazz Basketball
Speaker 4: Hockey Club, Little RSL, maybe some soccer with JP as well.
Speaker 4: So we'll go all over the map on this wet
Speaker 4: and somewhat snowy You bury the.
Speaker 2: Lead, it's the NBA Cup today, it's the Emris NBA
Speaker 2: League Cup.
Speaker 4: Well, I thought you're gonna spend the entirety of the
Speaker 4: opening segment on that, so I wanted to leave the
Speaker 4: big story of the day to you. Of course, the
Speaker 4: defending champion Lakers in the NBA Cup.
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Speaker 1: It's not an elimination yet. It's not all right.
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Speaker 2: So Tuesday for us is still kind of a reactionary style.
Speaker 2: When it comes to the show Wednesday, we kind of
Speaker 2: start to turn the page about what's coming up as
Speaker 2: far as this weekend and pro and college football, But
Speaker 2: ultimately we're kind of still in the space where we're
Speaker 2: looking back, kind of reflecting on what exactly happened on
Speaker 2: Saturday night on a number of different levels, and yesterday
Speaker 2: we kind of covered all of them. We talked about
Speaker 2: the flow of the game, you know, we talked to
Speaker 2: Scott Mitchell about what happened in the second half where
Speaker 2: Utah just couldn't move the football.
Speaker 1: There are some injury rumors out.
Speaker 2: There, but because it has not been officially announced by
Speaker 2: the U, I can't go with them. But if they're true,
Speaker 2: two or three other pieces outside of bran Keithy were
Speaker 2: lost for the season on Saturday against Brigham Young, making
Speaker 2: the challenge the lies ahead even that much more difficult unfortunately,
Speaker 2: but again, until they're actually announced by the school and
Speaker 2: the athletic department. It's not necessarily something I feel comfortable
Speaker 2: talking about.
Speaker 1: If we get information, we'll bring it to you.
Speaker 2: But you know, we cover this thing from every single angle,
Speaker 2: exactly how it went down, why it went down, special
Speaker 2: teams touchdown allowed by the University of Utah, the controversial
Speaker 2: fourth down holding call that extended the game, Klonie's time out,
Speaker 2: you know that ultimately gave BYU another chance, and then landing.
Speaker 2: You know, at the end of the day on the
Speaker 2: comments that were made by Mark Harlin after the game,
Speaker 2: the University of vut To athletic director saying the BYU
Speaker 2: game was stolen from them. And we've talked about it.
Speaker 2: Everybody's talked about it. It's not necessarily anything that I
Speaker 2: want to dig into, and I don't think Mark should
Speaker 2: continue to be hit over the head with it.
Speaker 1: I'll repeat what I said yesterday.
Speaker 2: I don't know this because I've not talked to Mark,
Speaker 2: but it was a surprising moment for a guy that,
Speaker 2: in my experience with him over the past few years,
Speaker 2: both on and off air, seems very smart, very measured,
Speaker 2: very calculated, very careful, and it was the exact opposite
Speaker 2: of all of those things. It was careless, it was emotional,
Speaker 2: it was the wrong way to go about it, and honestly,
Speaker 2: the first time I heard it, my first thought was
Speaker 2: he's going to be in a lot of trouble because
Speaker 2: of who Brett. Your Mark is the commissioner of the
Speaker 2: Big Twelve, who is a Northeast sports and business executive,
Speaker 2: who is a cutthroat guy. And so when I heard
Speaker 2: the forty thousand dollars fine and the public reprimand I'll
Speaker 2: be honest, I was relieved. I don't want to see
Speaker 2: Mark loses his job, and all of you that are
Speaker 2: calling for him to lose his job pump the breaks quote.
Speaker 2: I've been an athletic director for twelve years. The game
Speaker 2: was absolutely stolen from us. We were excited about being
Speaker 2: in the Big Twelve. But tonight I am not we
Speaker 2: won this game. Someone else stole it from us. I'm
Speaker 2: very disappointed. I will talk to the commissioner. This is
Speaker 2: not fair to our team. I'm disgusted by the professionalism
Speaker 2: of the officiating crew tonight. Ultimately, my whole thing on
Speaker 2: this is like what motivated Mark to do it in
Speaker 2: the moment. Athletic directors don't typically talk after games. He
Speaker 2: did not have to take the mic. So why did
Speaker 2: he want to take the mic?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: And there are probably several different scenarios. The most reductive
Speaker 2: and simple one is he was mad and he was
Speaker 2: emotional and he wanted to send a message. But in
Speaker 2: those moments, those are the times. And this is not
Speaker 2: a sport thing. This is just simply how you have
Speaker 2: to roll if you want to exist in this little.
Speaker 1: Blue marble rolling around in the middle of nowhere, if.
Speaker 2: You want to be part of the simulation part of
Speaker 2: the situation, those are things that you have to learn
Speaker 2: to temper in the most heightened of emotions, like the
Speaker 2: most destructive things. I certainly can you point to in
Speaker 2: my life for things that I've done or said when
Speaker 2: I've been angry or emotional.
Speaker 1: I feel like I've been wronged. Right, We all want
Speaker 1: to lash out if.
Speaker 2: We feel like we've been wronged, if we feel like
Speaker 2: we've been cheated, if we feel like somebody has taken
Speaker 2: something that we have earned. So you understand that, and
Speaker 2: you should have some grace for that, because I'm sure
Speaker 2: who amongst us has not had that emotional outburst and
Speaker 2: emotional moment that has led to regret yours probably wasn't
Speaker 2: on camera, right, but I'm sure you can relate to
Speaker 2: it and probably wish that you had a mulligan. I
Speaker 2: have several of those, and I'm sure Mark, as I
Speaker 2: said yesterday, without knowing this, I have not talked to him,
Speaker 2: but without knowing this, my guess is Mark would very
Speaker 2: much like it do over and would very much like
Speaker 2: a mulligan.
Speaker 1: Now, that's not how life works.
Speaker 2: And when you say or do certain things that are
Speaker 2: out of line or not necessarily the way you should roll,
Speaker 2: you pay for them, and sometimes you pay for them harshly,
Speaker 2: and sometimes it takes a lot of time to come
Speaker 2: back from them.
Speaker 1: I mean I can speak to that. Certainly.
Speaker 2: Mark releases a statement the day after and after he
Speaker 2: had spoken with bre your Mark. I'm sure the commissioner
Speaker 2: gently encouraged Mark to release something, and I think the
Speaker 2: statement fell short. He said quote last night, following our
Speaker 2: game against BYU, I made clear my feelings related to
Speaker 2: the game officiating. However, I recognize there are more appropriate
Speaker 2: times and avenues to express those concerns, and I accept
Speaker 2: the consequences of my decision. My comments came after having
Speaker 2: just left our locker room where our student athletes were
Speaker 2: hurting and upset.
Speaker 1: University of Utah is proud to be.
Speaker 2: A member of the Big Twelve Conference and we look
Speaker 2: forward to working with our peers to continue to enhance
Speaker 2: the league BYU Coach Ataki and their coaches and student
Speaker 2: athletes are having a terrific, terrific season, and we wish
Speaker 2: them the very best.
Speaker 1: Fell short of the Mark no pun intended there.
Speaker 2: I mean, ultimately, it really is missing two words, and
Speaker 2: that is I'm sorry. And I do have to wonder
Speaker 2: where Taylor Randall is on this. I do have to
Speaker 2: wonder where Booster's alumni and donors are on.
Speaker 1: This, And I honestly don't know. I'm just wondering out loud.
Speaker 2: I have no idea, Like I said the whole like
Speaker 2: he should lose his job. Crowd all right, Like tell
Speaker 2: me you don't really know how the world works. Without
Speaker 2: telling me you don't know how the world works, Like
Speaker 2: Mark has a good reputation from what I can tell,
Speaker 2: I honestly can't speak to it. And by the way,
Speaker 2: we didn't bring this on air yesterday, but this was
Speaker 2: the statement of the Big Twelve the next day, after
Speaker 2: deciding how they were going to roll, he said quote,
Speaker 2: and I don't know if this is the commissioner.
Speaker 1: This is simply from the Big Twelve quote.
Speaker 2: Mark's comments irresponsibly challenged the professionalism of our officials and
Speaker 2: the integrity of the Big Twelve Conference.
Speaker 1: There's a right way and a wrong way to voice concerns.
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, Mark chose the wrong way accordingly, in violation, warrants,
Speaker 2: a public reprimand, and a financial penalty found out that
Speaker 2: was forty thousand dollars. The Big Twelve Conference prioritizes professionalism, integrity,
Speaker 2: in fairness and will continue will continue to do so.
Speaker 1: Excuse me.
Speaker 2: And there's some language in there that indicates the portion
Speaker 2: of Mark's comments that most set Brett your Mark off,
Speaker 2: and that is basically challenging the professionalism and therefore the
Speaker 2: integrity of the officials and then tying those criticisms directly
Speaker 2: to the Big Twelve Conference, because then you're trying to
Speaker 2: undermine the conference, and then you're going to run foul
Speaker 2: of the commissioner and again a guy who is just
Speaker 2: simply no nonsense. And so those essentially are the dynamics
Speaker 2: of this thing that I think really irk the Big
Speaker 2: Twelve the most. And like I said, I honestly thought
Speaker 2: it was gonna be worse. When I saw the news
Speaker 2: as far as what they had decided to do, I
Speaker 2: was relieved because I thought Mark was going to be
Speaker 2: a lot of trouble. But as we look back on
Speaker 2: this game, you know, it's funny. As the years pass
Speaker 2: and you have the emotional look back on Utah BYU
Speaker 2: football games, you only need to say, like one name.
Speaker 1: Right, you know, doink.
Speaker 2: Off the crossbar block kicks Brandon Burton, Beck to Harling. Right,
Speaker 2: you can be reductive, Scott Mitchell, Eddie Johnson, you can
Speaker 2: be reductive of a lot of these games and call
Speaker 2: them the Brandon Burton block game, right, the Brett Ratliffe
Speaker 2: holy bleep game.
Speaker 1: In ten years, this is going to be the Mark
Speaker 1: Harling game.
Speaker 2: And of course people will talk about the holding penalty
Speaker 2: and the controversial, you know allowance for Brigham Young to
Speaker 2: have another shot to move down the field, which to
Speaker 2: their credit, they did and kick the game winning field goal.
Speaker 2: But as this thing kind of continues to permeate throughout
Speaker 2: both local and national college football news, like everybody is
Speaker 2: chiming in on this. Terry McAuley, an official ex official,
Speaker 2: chimed in on it and essentially said it's a foul
Speaker 2: period end of story. Joe Klatt has a more nuanced
Speaker 2: look at it and thinks there's a lot to be
Speaker 2: upset about when it comes to the lack of consistency
Speaker 2: as far as how the game was called, and brings
Speaker 2: up the fact that Jake Rht's laugh wasn't even looking
Speaker 2: in the direction of the receiver and it was not
Speaker 2: your Maane to the outcome of the play, and Jake
Speaker 2: essentially was sacked.
Speaker 1: Anyway.
Speaker 2: There are a lot of different takes on that, but
Speaker 2: it seems like the take on what Marquet to say
Speaker 2: after the game is pretty unanimous. And I do think
Speaker 2: whether he meant to do it or not, he has
Speaker 2: now stamped his name in BYU Utah history and he
Speaker 2: will look back, you know, we will look back on
Speaker 2: this game. Has denied that the utaied decided to take
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Speaker 6: Next on the Drive, Tim McMahon dropping dimes for your
Speaker 6: NBA Daily assists.
Speaker 7: Van McMahon, Van mcman batted a Land, Texas flood as
Speaker 7: sicke as Mudy and Man.
Speaker 8: Van McMahon, Vancman, the man, the.
Speaker 2: Rain and the snow coming down rather heavily in Salt
Speaker 2: Lake this afternoon.
Speaker 1: It is chilly, it is cold. Well, I'll tell you what.
Speaker 1: It's only gonna be hot downtown tonight. See what I
Speaker 1: did there.
Speaker 2: League's cop Baby. The NBA Cup starts tonight. Group play
Speaker 2: The Phoenix Suns are in town. An NBA up enthusiasts
Speaker 2: and great overall guy and rider. Tim mcmanon is our
Speaker 2: guest on a Tuesday. Hello Tim, how are you, sir
Speaker 2: gowdy partner?
Speaker 9: I am doing all right. I am outside looking over
Speaker 9: the bay here in San Francisco. Nice a little bit
Speaker 9: of a chillney air, but nice sunny day. Some boats
Speaker 9: in the water, none that have Craig Thompson as captain.
Speaker 9: But here we go.
Speaker 2: So you are in an area where there's actually an
Speaker 2: interesting game tonight. We'll get there in a moment, but
Speaker 2: before we start, what should our listeners know, Tim about
Speaker 2: the newly branded NBA Cup.
Speaker 1: Last year it was the playing tournament.
Speaker 2: The group play starts tonight and the Sons are in
Speaker 2: town to play the Jazz.
Speaker 9: The n season tournament. Last year, the play in tournament's
Speaker 9: a whole separate deal in season Jazz after the Jazz
Speaker 9: have tried very hard to avoid the playing tournament the
Speaker 9: last years. I don't think that'll be such a problem
Speaker 9: this year. I mean, you know, same concept, new courts,
Speaker 9: you know, new new sponsor, and what is it I
Speaker 9: mean to pronounce it, To be honest with you, I
Speaker 9: think that might be right. Well, Dan, I guess I
Speaker 9: didn't know how to pronounce it. Oh well, I'll tell
Speaker 9: you what. By the end of this NBA Cup season,
Speaker 9: I certainly will know. And so that's that's marketing do
Speaker 9: and it's it's best. But you know, hey, five hundred
Speaker 9: and grand on the line per player for teams that
Speaker 9: win the whole tame. But you know, I actually like
Speaker 9: the concept because it does give a little something different
Speaker 9: during the season. But it's not completely outside of the
Speaker 9: regular season. Obviously, until the championship game. All these games
Speaker 9: count towards the regular season standing, so you can't have
Speaker 9: teams just decide to kind of punt these. It's funny though,
Speaker 9: because I mentor or I was talking to one of
Speaker 9: the Magic staffer's day and they kind of mentioned they said, yeah,
Speaker 9: the one of the best things that happened for us
Speaker 9: last year was we didn't make it to Vegas in
Speaker 9: the a in season Tourney, and their two replacement games
Speaker 9: or filling angel, well, you know whatever, the two games
Speaker 9: that you get they played the Trailblazers in the Jazz
Speaker 9: last year and were able to win those was pretty significantly.
Speaker 9: So it is a little confusing when you look at
Speaker 9: this at the schedule, whether for the whole league or
Speaker 9: just for teams and there's kind of a gap of
Speaker 9: TBD there in the middle of December.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I don't care how much money you make.
Speaker 2: Five hundred k is not nothing. But I wonder in
Speaker 2: your conversations throughout the league, players, coaches, front office exacts,
Speaker 2: is there genuine excitement for this thing?
Speaker 1: Do they feel like it's being forced upon them?
Speaker 2: I mean, what's kind of the feeling around the NBA
Speaker 2: as far as how teams feel about the NBA Cup.
Speaker 9: I haven't heard a lot of complaining about it. I
Speaker 9: don't know if there's just a ton of excitement, you know,
Speaker 9: like five hundred grand in a trip to Vegas. I
Speaker 9: think all NBA players like both of those things, so
Speaker 9: they prefer to win it than not. But I don't
Speaker 9: get the sense of it's like something that I don't
Speaker 9: know that they're like circling these games on their calendars. Oh,
Speaker 9: these are NBA Cup games, and you know, there's been
Speaker 9: a whole lot of sextra motivation. But like I said, also,
Speaker 9: i've not heard any any real complaint. There was some
Speaker 9: grip in last year about the courts. You know, they're
Speaker 9: they're not quite as loud, But like we'll see if
Speaker 9: there's issues as far as uh, you know, the the
Speaker 9: surface well you know what they're slipping and those sorts
Speaker 9: of things. But honestly, those are the only complaints that
Speaker 9: I heard was that the courts from the courts were
Speaker 9: go slippery last year.
Speaker 2: Okay, well, I mean, I mean, look, the bottom line is,
Speaker 2: and we'll move on from the NBA Cup after this.
Speaker 2: Like this is something that pro basketball, in my opinion,
Speaker 2: has always been very good at, and that is being
Speaker 2: willing to look at dynamics and try new things and
Speaker 2: see if they stick. And and this is essentially isn't
Speaker 2: this Adams Baby.
Speaker 1: Isn't this Adam Silver's thing?
Speaker 2: Like this is one of the things that he kind
Speaker 2: of talked about very early on as really a copy
Speaker 2: of the European soccer model, the FA Cup and such,
Speaker 2: which I know you're a big fan of.
Speaker 1: But this is to me, this is.
Speaker 2: One cool Well it's one of the cool things about
Speaker 2: the NBA. They're willing to kind of try these different
Speaker 2: things and kind of see if they work.
Speaker 9: No, this is definitely an Adam Silver creation. I thought
Speaker 9: the courts last year actually were a very sharp marketing
Speaker 9: tactic because hey, it got people those courts got people
Speaker 9: talking about the NBA during the middle of football season,
Speaker 9: and that's not always the easiest thing to do. And
Speaker 9: then you know, last year the semi finals and finals
Speaker 9: were rating success and for being honest though, they also
Speaker 9: got extremely and there was a success in terms of
Speaker 9: like the arena being full of all that. They got
Speaker 9: extremely lucky that the Lakers just happened to win the
Speaker 9: first one of these. And you know, if the Lakers
Speaker 9: don't make it and it's you know, the Phoenix Suns,
Speaker 9: they're the Denver Nuggets. I think it could be a
Speaker 9: very different field this year. But we'll see.
Speaker 2: So let's move over, excuse me, let's move over to
Speaker 2: where you're at tonight bike rides with Balkan music. Tim,
Speaker 2: I didn't expect to wake up and see Tim mcmhon
Speaker 2: story referencing Balkan music. And you wrote about Clay and
Speaker 2: Clay is back in the Bay to see the Warriors
Speaker 2: for the first time. So we'll get to the jazz
Speaker 2: in a minute, but this is far more interesting for
Speaker 2: basketball fans.
Speaker 1: Tell us about, you know, kind of.
Speaker 2: The story you wrote, and then ultimately where Clay's head
Speaker 2: is at as he gets gets ready to play his
Speaker 2: old team Tonight in the Bay.
Speaker 9: Yeah, as a Dallas based NBA writer, I've actually become
Speaker 9: pretty familiar with Balkan music. I'm a guy, you know,
Speaker 9: Luca likes his Balkan music, and when he comes out
Speaker 9: to warm up, that's what's playing on the American Airlines centers.
Speaker 9: About five minutes into Clay Thompson the barnlopt so, you know,
Speaker 9: just kind of an example of adjustment to Clay's making.
Speaker 9: He does he did not bring a boat to Dallas.
Speaker 9: You know, I didn't have a boat. Doctor one of
Speaker 9: the lakes. He takes his you know, he goes on
Speaker 9: the occasional bike to get a little look at the water.
Speaker 9: But that's that. And you know, the since I really
Speaker 9: get from Clay. I talked to him a little while
Speaker 9: with that story and just kind of haven't been around
Speaker 9: him so far this season is he does not want
Speaker 9: everything to be about him being the former Warrior Klay Thompson.
Speaker 9: You know, he wants it to be about a starter
Speaker 9: for a team that thinks it can be a contender.
Speaker 9: He's very focused on now and like you know that
Speaker 9: a night in Denver, he was asked about, Hey, you
Speaker 9: know what, you know, what does this mean for you,
Speaker 9: and he basically he said, I just to it's you know,
Speaker 9: it'd be cool to see people, but it's really just
Speaker 9: another regular season game November. And then he kind of admitted, Okay,
Speaker 9: you know there's a little something extra here. It's an
Speaker 9: NBA Cup opener. I mean, like, come on, So he's
Speaker 9: really trying to put you know, put up the stoic face.
Speaker 9: Didn't talk to media after practice here yesterday or after
Speaker 9: shoot around, like he's trying not to feed into all
Speaker 9: the pomp and circumstances. And there's going to be a
Speaker 9: lot of it. You know, they've got these captain Clay
Speaker 9: had given out. Steph curR is going to make a
Speaker 9: speech at the mid court. They're all gonna, you know,
Speaker 9: tip their caps to them, like the whole crowd. There's
Speaker 9: gonna be a video. And the people with the Warriors
Speaker 9: that obviously know Clay very welcome over the year, they
Speaker 9: think he'll crack. They think Clay is going to shed
Speaker 9: a tear. But it is certainly his goal to just
Speaker 9: be focused on hoopon the night and you know, we'll
Speaker 9: see how that goes.
Speaker 2: And this is always interesting to me because look, I mean,
Speaker 2: he won four rings there and he went from you know,
Speaker 2: a late lottery maybe a decent spot up shooter to
Speaker 2: one of potentially, not potentially, one of the greatest shooters
Speaker 2: the game's ever seen. Like when Clay Thompson is in Springfield,
Speaker 2: he will have a Warrior jersey on, There's no doubt
Speaker 2: about it. But ultimately, you know, you heard rumors like, well,
Speaker 2: maybe the Warriors are still interested in running it back
Speaker 2: one more time and until Steph decides he's done with Clay,
Speaker 2: Clay comes back, and then you heard, you know, his
Speaker 2: dad made these comments about wanting him to be a Laker,
Speaker 2: and we know that that's where Clay grew up.
Speaker 1: Ultimately, what landed Klay Thompson on Dallas him.
Speaker 9: Or Clay decided that he was going to go ahead
Speaker 9: and be the one who called at his time and
Speaker 9: the Bay was done. And look, they had the extension
Speaker 9: talks before last season. Two years forty seven million was
Speaker 9: what was being discussed. Whether it was put on the
Speaker 9: table or not, I guess kind of depends on who
Speaker 9: you asked, But it wasn't the deal that he was
Speaker 9: going to take. You know, Draymond got four years, one hundred.
Speaker 9: He didn't feel like they were making the same kind
Speaker 9: of commitment to him that they had to Draymond, that
Speaker 9: they had even to Andrew Wiggins. So last year there's
Speaker 9: like this black cloud hoping over in the whole time,
Speaker 9: he felt the weight of knowing in his heart it
Speaker 9: was probably going to be his last year. And then
Speaker 9: I think there was a little crack there, and then
Speaker 9: they prioritized trying to get like a Paul George signed
Speaker 9: trade down his bas like, if I'm not the priority,
Speaker 9: I'm out. And then for him it became okay, where
Speaker 9: do I have the best chance to win a championship?
Speaker 9: And he felt like, especially watching the Mavericks in the finals,
Speaker 9: where their lack of three point shooting alongside their stars
Speaker 9: really bit them the butt, he felt like he could
Speaker 9: come and be kind of that, you know, that last
Speaker 9: piece that the Mavericks needed, and we'll see how that goes.
Speaker 9: But he does not want to be a chem Olajaan
Speaker 9: in a Toronto Raptors uniform, right He wants this last
Speaker 9: chapter of his career to be meaningful, to be competitive,
Speaker 9: and he thought Dallas was the best spot for him
Speaker 9: do that.
Speaker 2: So, drawing any conclusion of this league after ten games
Speaker 2: as a fool's errand but Dallas after going to the
Speaker 2: finals last year and a lot of people's picked to
Speaker 2: potentially represent the West again. Oka, see just lost Chad.
Speaker 2: We'll get there in a moment. But they are five
Speaker 2: and five, they're five hundred. So how's the Clay experience
Speaker 2: god so far in Dallas.
Speaker 9: You know, it started out really well. I mean, he
Speaker 9: really shot on the first few games. It's been a
Speaker 9: little bit bumpy since then. You know, like you said
Speaker 9: to me, Jerk after ten games would be a little
Speaker 9: bit silly. And but the simple fact of the matter
Speaker 9: is we've yet to see Luca play at the level
Speaker 9: that we're accustomed to from him, which is, you know,
Speaker 9: firmly in the MVP conversation, he's not been that guy.
Speaker 9: And you know, when Luke's playing at that level, everything
Speaker 9: else looks a whole lot better. And so I think
Speaker 9: if you talk about what's not been right with the Mavericks,
Speaker 9: I think you start with lucas yet to play, you know,
Speaker 9: to the standard that he has set. And then you know,
Speaker 9: they're five and five. Now, Derek Lively missed the last
Speaker 9: four games of Ust. Three of those four he's back tonight.
Speaker 9: That's another major piece. You know, I guess I'm spending
Speaker 9: a whole lot of words here to say that I
Speaker 9: think Madix will very much be in the thick of
Speaker 9: things come April.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I agree with that.
Speaker 2: I mean, Luca is just too good, and I'm sure
Speaker 2: he'll coast and then he's turn it on, you know
Speaker 2: the way that we've seen him, do they They do
Speaker 2: see a warrior team tim at a start of the
Speaker 2: year eight and two, and they have the second best
Speaker 2: net in the West and Steve is playing like twelve
Speaker 2: dudes every night. What has Golden State figured out early
Speaker 2: on on what's Dallas up against tonight?
Speaker 9: Well, and you know the amazing thing is they did
Speaker 9: that with Stephnu's in a handful of games. You know,
Speaker 9: when he had the forgot what fancy term they use
Speaker 9: for the ankle area, but you know he had that
Speaker 9: entry and man like, you got to give Mike Dunley
Speaker 9: some credit for the way that they kind of pivoted
Speaker 9: this offseason. You know, no one claims out the door
Speaker 9: they weren't able to get the Paul Georgis thing to obviously,
Speaker 9: they're the conversations with the jazzbel Larry markin and never
Speaker 9: really picked up any kind of steam. But to bring
Speaker 9: in Buddy Heald, who has been absolutely phenomenal for them.
Speaker 9: You know, Dancony Melton when he's healthy, really helps them.
Speaker 9: Kyle Anderson has been a contributor. And then look when
Speaker 9: Draymond was on the court last year, the Warriors were
Speaker 9: pretty damn good. He just because of his own stupidity,
Speaker 9: missed a bunch of games last year. And so you know,
Speaker 9: I don't know if I think it's a little bit
Speaker 9: early to say that the Warriors will be contenders in
Speaker 9: the West, but I don't think we can loule out
Speaker 9: that possibility.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and again super early.
Speaker 2: All right, let's start with the opponent tonight for the
Speaker 2: Jazz as the Sun's rolling to town playing good basketball
Speaker 2: at eating too. But Durant I think is out. He's
Speaker 2: definitely out tonight. I think he's out for a couple
Speaker 2: of weeks with the CAF strain. Yeah, so obviously that
Speaker 2: changes who they are. But what should Jazz fans know?
Speaker 2: Because these days a lot of fans are going to
Speaker 2: the arena to watch the other team, which I get,
Speaker 2: So what are we going to see tonight in the
Speaker 2: Phoenix Suns?
Speaker 9: Yeah, and obviously, no, KD is a bummer, and you
Speaker 9: know that was a weird one because he actually strained
Speaker 9: that in the fourth quarter and there in Dallas. I
Speaker 9: was at the game, I was in the Sun's locker room. Afterwards,
Speaker 9: I talked to KD. He didn't get extra treatment. He
Speaker 9: was in good spirits, who wasn't limping around, And the
Speaker 9: next thing you know, he's out for at least a
Speaker 9: couple of weeks. So I guess it was a little soreness,
Speaker 9: and then it acted up on him the next day
Speaker 9: and they got it checked out. But look, they still
Speaker 9: have two MAX players, obviously, Bradley Beal and Devin Booker.
Speaker 9: And Booker is another guy was off to a slow
Speaker 9: start by his staying theres. At some point, you know
Speaker 9: he's going to have one of these nights where you know,
Speaker 9: he's sixteen of twenty two or whatever, and you know,
Speaker 9: we've seen Booker getting these crazy shot making grooves, you know,
Speaker 9: don't I don't know if jazz fans do or do
Speaker 9: not hope that it's at the expense of the jazz.
Speaker 9: At this point, it's a kind of a confusing time
Speaker 9: as far as that goes. And you know what the
Speaker 9: other thing that they that's interesting about Phoenix is roy
Speaker 9: O'Neil's playing extremely well, and obviously that's the guy that
Speaker 9: Jazz fans know quite well. He's really settled into a
Speaker 9: nice role for them, shooting the ball extremely well. You know,
Speaker 9: he's playing solid defenses he's done for years, and they
Speaker 9: love this rookie Ryan Dunn, who was considered a phenomenal
Speaker 9: defensive prospect who could not shoot to save his life.
Speaker 9: He shut the ball pretty damn well so far in
Speaker 9: the NBA. You know, you see the work he's put
Speaker 9: in this summer. So yeah, the Suns are an interesting team.
Speaker 9: I kind of put them in the same group of
Speaker 9: the Warriors, of all the contenders, and they you know,
Speaker 9: they only win clutch games. They don't blow anybody out,
Speaker 9: but they're off the heck of a start.
Speaker 2: Well, the red hot Utah Jazz have won two of
Speaker 2: three games tim, so you know, ultimately, let's lean into that.
Speaker 2: And without being facetious, I do think with a group
Speaker 2: of really really young players and a head coach who
Speaker 2: I'm sure every night feels like he's walking into a
Speaker 2: gym completely up against it, well, I have no issue
Speaker 2: if they lose every game because I understand what's going on,
Speaker 2: I get what time it is, and I understand the uh,
Speaker 2: you know the necessity of the pain. I do think
Speaker 2: experiencing some success here or there kind of put some
Speaker 2: wind in these young players' sales.
Speaker 1: At least there's that.
Speaker 9: Yeah, No, I think you can't. I mean, you really
Speaker 9: don't want to have like double figure losing streaks and
Speaker 9: like you didn't, especially to start the season. You don't
Speaker 9: want to be oh in you know, eleven or twelve
Speaker 9: or fifteen or just whatever, just because that is such
Speaker 9: a waight and it I think it has a major
Speaker 9: negative impact on development when there's that level of misery
Speaker 9: and when you feel like there's no reward for all
Speaker 9: the work that's being put in. And so look, we
Speaker 9: understand the Jazz aren't going to win a lot of
Speaker 9: games this year, but but you know, you don't want
Speaker 9: it to be a fourteen win season, and you want
Speaker 9: to see, you know, these young players, you want to
Speaker 9: see proof that what they're doing is paying off. You
Speaker 9: want to see development. You know, you want to see progress,
Speaker 9: and so you know, to be able to pull out
Speaker 9: a couple of wins and again, I you know they're
Speaker 9: going to be very much in the mix for the
Speaker 9: number one overall pick. We all understand that, and frankly
Speaker 9: that's the plane, but that completely bottom out to do
Speaker 9: that now, I.
Speaker 2: Like you just kind of see to the draft guys
Speaker 2: as far as who these players are. So I know
Speaker 2: you don't cover the draft yourself, but we are going
Speaker 2: to revisit this throughout the course of the season because
Speaker 2: college basketball has tipped off. It's now here and obviously
Speaker 2: Cooper Flag is playing for Duke, so we're gonna be
Speaker 2: like the funnest things now as a Jazz fan is
Speaker 2: just to check mock drafts, and a lot of them
Speaker 2: have the Jazz is one of the top two picks.
Speaker 2: Like Gavoni released his stuff today, So just I know
Speaker 2: you're not a scout. Tell our listeners though, what you
Speaker 2: are hearing about the type of pro Cooper Flag could be.
Speaker 9: Yeah, backs for home. My colleague had a really good
Speaker 9: story on Cooper Flag yesterday and I learned that I'm
Speaker 9: pretty sure I played against Cooper Flag's main AAU coach
Speaker 9: when I was in high school. Wow, I was That
Speaker 9: was one of the major things that took from that.
Speaker 9: I don't know that anybody else cares necessarily. But like
Speaker 9: the question with Cooper Flag is is he going to
Speaker 9: be a guy who could be a primary score because
Speaker 9: as far as everything else goes, like, dude, this is
Speaker 9: going to He's a six foot nine, multi position, high intensity,
Speaker 9: high level defensive player. You're going to see it, like
Speaker 9: you know, this is a guy he's going to have.
Speaker 9: He's going to be a five by five direct cause
Speaker 9: he's going to block shots, He's going to get steals,
Speaker 9: He's a phenomenal pass We've got that kind of feel.
Speaker 9: He's a super athlete. I think the ability to create
Speaker 9: shots and kind of the overall shooting that those are
Speaker 9: the questions. But you know, again, so I don't know
Speaker 9: if he's going to be like a number one offensive option,
Speaker 9: but he's going to be a guy who can help
Speaker 9: you win games in a whole lot of different ways.
Speaker 2: All Right, before I say you loose, I got to
Speaker 2: get your take on what Chats injury means for OKC.
Speaker 2: I mean, Shay just went for forty five in the
Speaker 2: first game without him, and they're still really deep and
Speaker 2: I'm sure they're gonna tread water, and it looks like
Speaker 2: he'll be reevaluated in ten to twelve weeks, So maybe
Speaker 2: it isn't catastrophic, but they were off to such a
Speaker 2: fun not just a successful start, fun start, fun team
Speaker 2: to watch at nine and two, and Chat's going to
Speaker 2: be out for a while.
Speaker 1: What do you think this means for OKC?
Speaker 9: I mean they were off to a dominant start, and
Speaker 9: they were the best defensive team that we have seen
Speaker 9: in a while, you know, in several years in the NBA.
Speaker 9: And you know, Chet was to me the early front
Speaker 9: runner to be Defensive Player of the Year. Uh, certainly
Speaker 9: on the path to being an All Star. But they're
Speaker 9: gonna win plenty of games about him. They've had to
Speaker 9: kind of get through these next whatever. It's going to
Speaker 9: be two or three weeks before Hartenstein's are ready to
Speaker 9: make his Thunder debut. He's still recovering from that hand
Speaker 9: that he broke in their preseason finale, and obviously then
Speaker 9: you know they won't have to play small as they
Speaker 9: are right now. But I think Chet is expected to
Speaker 9: be back, you know, well before the playoffs. Really what
Speaker 9: this does, though, is they're pushing back the entire experimental
Speaker 9: timetable as far as do Chett and hart and Sanging,
Speaker 9: how much would they play together? What's the rotation look like?
Speaker 9: How much of their minute staggered? Those guys aren't going
Speaker 9: to play together at all until you know, I don't know,
Speaker 9: probably maybe the All Star Breaks sometime around there, and
Speaker 9: so well, you know, that's a big slumer. I still
Speaker 9: think if you ask me who would I bet on
Speaker 9: being the number one seed in the Western Conference, I
Speaker 9: still would pick Oklahoma City. I just wouldn't be as
Speaker 9: confident obviously as I was before show went down.
Speaker 2: All right, Tim, thanks for the time, man. Enjoy that game.
Speaker 2: Should be a fun atmosphere and we'll chat soon.
Speaker 9: I appreciate it, brother.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 2: Tim McMahon covers the NBA for ESPN. He is the
Speaker 2: Jazz reporter for ESPN. He's out here quite a bit
Speaker 2: when the Jazz are a serious team, which they're not
Speaker 2: right now. He's on Twitter at ESPN and underscore McMahon.
Speaker 2: Klay Thompson is back in the Bay Area to take
Speaker 2: on the Warriors.
Speaker 1: The Jazz welcome in the Phoenix Suns.
Speaker 2: So the injury report as of now we know Duran
Speaker 2: is out looks like Keyante is a game time decision,
Speaker 2: but expected to play. Walker Kessler on the injury report,
Speaker 2: I have right now is listed as out.
Speaker 1: The last game we saw Walker.
Speaker 2: Did play nineteen minutes against San Antonio, got the start,
Speaker 2: had to leave, so I haven't heard anything official there.
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to figure out who would start tonight
Speaker 2: if Walker's not going to play. Last game, it was marketing,
Speaker 2: Cody Williams, Walker Kessler calling sex and Isaiah Callier.
Speaker 1: My guess is Caller goes to the bench with.
Speaker 2: Keyante back and I guess John Collins is your starting
Speaker 2: center unless will goes with Drew you Banks Jazz basketball.
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Speaker 1: Max. Happy Tuesday, man, How you doing good?
Speaker 9: How you guys doing good?
Speaker 6: Man?
Speaker 1: Appreciate the time.
Speaker 2: Obviously, it was a chaotic weekend here in Salt Lake
Speaker 2: City with the rivalry game as Brigham Young rolled up
Speaker 2: to Salt Lake and went back to Provo with the win.
Speaker 2: So now, simply put, BYU is undefeated, their number seven
Speaker 2: in the AP. We'll get to the CFP release tonight.
Speaker 2: But what did you make of a very dramatic night
Speaker 2: in Salt Lake City on Saturday night?
Speaker 10: Yeah, it just seems like by use a team of destiny,
Speaker 10: It doesn't it? Right now? Guys, right over the Oklahoma
Speaker 10: State game, they had the game winning drive. Nobody thought
Speaker 10: they they would win that game. Obviously had another game
Speaker 10: winning drive against Utah on that one. You know, every
Speaker 10: great college football team obviously has got to be a
Speaker 10: good team first and foremost, but also you gotta have
Speaker 10: a little magic as well, and I think BYU is
Speaker 10: starting to capture that magic a little bit. And yeah,
Speaker 10: I think what they've done this year is incredible, and
Speaker 10: I think, you know, seventh and eight people is way
Speaker 10: way too low for what they've done this year. Resume wise,
Speaker 10: I personally haven't number three in my ranking because I
Speaker 10: think right now, at this point of the season, you've
Speaker 10: got to be ranking off of their resume and not
Speaker 10: in terms of, oh, how good you think a team is.
Speaker 2: So that leads me to the CFP release tonight. B
Speaker 2: YU rolled in at nine last week. I've viewed that
Speaker 2: as a damning indictment of the Big Twelve Conference as
Speaker 2: a whole. And Max, I don't think they're going to
Speaker 2: be higher than six or seven tonight.
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm wrong.
Speaker 2: Where when the release happens tonight, where do you think
Speaker 2: Breaking Me Young ends up?
Speaker 9: Yeah?
Speaker 10: I'm with you. I think you know, the AP is
Speaker 10: probably you know, gonna be around where they had it at,
Speaker 10: you know, which is the seventh overall. Like I said,
Speaker 10: I very much vehemanly disagree with it. I mean, just
Speaker 10: look at what they've done this year.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 10: They beat SMU, who's still fighting for a playoffs pot
Speaker 10: right now, is one of the top playoff contenders. Maybe
Speaker 10: could even win the ACC this year the way is going.
Speaker 10: And they also beat Kansas State, who's still fighting for
Speaker 10: a playoffs pot as well, maybe Kansastate by twenty nine points, right,
Speaker 10: se'd be two teams that are easily top twenty teams
Speaker 10: in college football are now and will be in the
Speaker 10: top twenty of the CFP rankings tonight. You look at
Speaker 10: a resume like Texas for example, what have they done
Speaker 10: this year?
Speaker 9: Right?
Speaker 10: Their best win is against Vanderbilt and they beat them
Speaker 10: by three points. Other than that, like they beat a
Speaker 10: Michigan team's most six and six this year, they're they
Speaker 10: beat an Oklahoma team is probably go five and seven
Speaker 10: this year, Like Texas does not have the big wins
Speaker 10: like BYU does right now. And Texas, by the way,
Speaker 10: has a loss this year as well, think the BYU
Speaker 10: has not had yet. So I think BYU at minimum
Speaker 10: should be number three in my opinion, but they're gonna
Speaker 10: be a lot lower than that's And I bet you know.
Speaker 2: The other issue with the low ranking, certainly last week
Speaker 2: at nine and we'll see what happens tonight, is it
Speaker 2: does feel like the and I'm sure it's a combination
Speaker 2: of the CFP committee, powerful television executives and everybody involved
Speaker 2: in this entire thing. Uh And there look, brand bias
Speaker 2: is real. That's not new, it always has been. It's
Speaker 2: not a breaking news situation as far as how these
Speaker 2: things are analyzed. But I feel like there's still a
Speaker 2: scenario in playmax where Brigham Young could win their final
Speaker 2: three games, enter the Big twelve championship game at twelve
Speaker 2: and zero and lose to like Colorado or whoever and
Speaker 2: potentially be left out of the CFP.
Speaker 1: Tell me your thoughts on that.
Speaker 10: That would be criminal. That'd be absolutely criminal if they
Speaker 10: were left out. And I'm with you though, I think
Speaker 10: it's not a it's not out that far out there.
Speaker 10: I think it's certainly a possibility. But that'd be criminal
Speaker 10: because then all of a sudden, your BYU, you can
Speaker 10: to make the arman like, Okay, why would we be
Speaker 10: playing the Big twelve title game in the first place. Then,
Speaker 10: you know, if we're twelve and oh, and all that
Speaker 10: can happen for us is to miss the playoff, we lose,
Speaker 10: we might as well as not playing it right and
Speaker 10: then just go in as an at large team. Beau,
Speaker 10: they would be at large team at twelve and h
Speaker 10: So that to me would be criminal if they're twelve
Speaker 10: and oh, no matter what happens in the playoff in
Speaker 10: the Big twelve Championship game, now, the Big dwal title
Speaker 10: game will determine whether or not b YU gets a
Speaker 10: buye in the first round. In my opinion, but I
Speaker 10: do not think that, you know, if they're twelve and oh,
Speaker 10: they're making the playoffs no matter what, even if they
Speaker 10: win or lose that game.
Speaker 2: So as you reference it certainly feels like a team
Speaker 2: of destiny either four and oh in one score games.
Speaker 2: They've had miracle wins on four three three occasions for sure,
Speaker 2: if not four. But they've answered every question thrown at
Speaker 2: them when you dig into b YU, what what are
Speaker 2: they most elite at? And what areas do you still
Speaker 2: have questions about as far as what makes them who
Speaker 2: they are.
Speaker 10: Honestly, what makes them so elite is the fact that
Speaker 10: they don't really have any glaring weaknesses right now. Right
Speaker 10: There isn't really one thing like Miami is clearly like okay,
Speaker 10: that's cam Ward right carrying this team b YU. This
Speaker 10: is really not a lot that they are you know,
Speaker 10: weak at right now. And I think that's what's been
Speaker 10: so good with the team is that, Hey, if one
Speaker 10: part of their team is off on any given week,
Speaker 10: they have a multitude of ways they can win games.
Speaker 10: And honestly, the best teams in college football, and the
Speaker 10: best teams in football in general and in sports in general,
Speaker 10: are the teams that could win in the most ways possible.
Speaker 10: Right in case one thing's have worked out, you have
Speaker 10: something else to fall back on, right so that to me,
Speaker 10: it's been what's most impressed a byt b YU this
Speaker 10: year is they're really playing great complimentary team football. Obviously,
Speaker 10: Jake Redslop his improvement has been unbelievable and he's been
Speaker 10: maybe the most improved quarterback in college football this year.
Speaker 10: But that to me is the biggest strength of BYU
Speaker 10: right now is that they don't really have too many
Speaker 10: glaring weaknesses.
Speaker 2: I saw on your Twitter page you had a chance
Speaker 2: to sit down with Jake recently. I wonder what that
Speaker 2: conversation was like and what stands out most to you
Speaker 2: about how much he's improved.
Speaker 10: That actually was an amazing interview because I don't know
Speaker 10: if you if you know this, but that whole ranking
Speaker 10: Jake hold up of the picture of him holding up
Speaker 10: the ranking of having him as the worst quarterback in
Speaker 10: the Big Twelve entering the year, and he used as
Speaker 10: motivation and ESPNS and flashing that graphic all the time.
Speaker 10: That actually was made by my co host dln Wasson
Speaker 10: with that ranking right, So having him on the show
Speaker 10: was really funny. You know, we made dal Nie Crow
Speaker 10: a little bit which is very funny as well, and
Speaker 10: Jake was such an amazing support about it, but you
Speaker 10: could tell that he is always looking for the next
Speaker 10: chip on his shoulder. Honestly, you mentioned the betting odds
Speaker 10: and how UCF was somehow a favorite over BYU. He
Speaker 10: didn't really understand that. He's like, Man, I love being
Speaker 10: the underdog. I've been an underwreck my whole wife. You know,
Speaker 10: I went to Juco, I came out of Juco. Obviously,
Speaker 10: you guys rank me as the worst quarterback in the Big twelm.
Speaker 10: I'm trying to ProView wrong. I'm trying to prove everyone
Speaker 10: wrong right now. And I think that's what really stood
Speaker 10: out to be the most is that this is a
Speaker 10: kid that is always, always looking for the next chip
Speaker 10: on his shoulder and always wants to be the underdog
Speaker 10: in every situation possible.
Speaker 2: So they have Kansas Max coming up on or coming
Speaker 2: up on Saturday. It's a late kickdown in pro vot
Speaker 2: It's an eight to fifteen kick. And Kansas was one
Speaker 2: of those teams before the season that a lot of
Speaker 2: people thought could be like a sneaky contending team, and
Speaker 2: it didn't turn out that way. However, they've been better
Speaker 2: as of late. They smoke Houston, and Houston has been
Speaker 2: beating some good teams, namely Utah. They probably should have
Speaker 2: won in Manhattan over k State, but they lost, and
Speaker 2: then they hung forty five on Iowa State, and BYU
Speaker 2: into Saturday as a three point favorite over Kansas. What
Speaker 2: do you think happens in Provo on Saturday night?
Speaker 10: Yeah? I think I would warn BYU fans just don't
Speaker 10: look at the record too much with Kansas. Right, Obviously,
Speaker 10: they're three and six on the year. It doesn't really
Speaker 10: look great on paper. But at the same time, only
Speaker 10: one of their six losses was by more than six
Speaker 10: points this year, right, so they've basically been playing one
Speaker 10: possession games and being on the wrong end of.
Speaker 9: Them a lot.
Speaker 10: Now, this is a lot better team. They're probably the
Speaker 10: best three and six team in comfortable. I don'tink it's
Speaker 10: really your net cards been there, honestly. So Kansas is
Speaker 10: a dangerous team, and you saw it last week against
Speaker 10: Iowa State. Obviously they're a very dangerous team that's not
Speaker 10: seem to look over too much. How do I think
Speaker 10: b Y is still gonna win the game? Yes, I do,
Speaker 10: But I do want to caution BYU fans from overlooking
Speaker 10: them just because they're three and six records. They are
Speaker 10: a lot better than that record indicate.
Speaker 2: I want to go back to Saturday night as by
Speaker 2: you rolled up here then rolled out of town with
Speaker 2: a win, and you know the deal man. All the
Speaker 2: controversy after the game about the holding call on fourth
Speaker 2: and ten as Jake was about to be sacked and
Speaker 2: there was a wide receiver split out left, and you know,
Speaker 2: the hot takes have been widespread. The opinions all are
Speaker 2: all over the place. You have a lot of people
Speaker 2: that did say it's a foul period, like Terry McCauley.
Speaker 2: You have a lot of people like Joel Klatt saying
Speaker 2: it's complicated because of the lack of consistency with officiating.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you noticed, Utah's athletic director wasn't
Speaker 2: thrilled about it, and the head coach wasn't either as
Speaker 2: a chair or was accosted by coach went after his presser.
Speaker 2: First of all, your opinion on the call, and then
Speaker 2: your take on the reaction after the game.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I think the call was it was fifty fifty.
Speaker 10: I personally thought it was the right call. Honestly, I
Speaker 10: think there's enough there to throw the flag on that one,
Speaker 10: and I'll see if you're BYU. Absolutely if you're Utah, Like,
Speaker 10: if you're a Utah fan, I'd be more upset with
Speaker 10: the way your team performed than just one penalty call,
Speaker 10: right if you leave it up to the refs, like,
Speaker 10: that's on you, honestly, and listen, in Utah scored twenty
Speaker 10: one points in the second quarter, they just score any
Speaker 10: points and the other three quarters combined, right, So I
Speaker 10: think that's really what you should be looking at, right
Speaker 10: there is that you know, really, for fifteen minutes you
Speaker 10: played great football. The other forty five minutes you did not, honestly,
Speaker 10: So that's me. That's what I think is most disappointing
Speaker 10: part for the Utah fans. They're lost, but obviously they
Speaker 10: always look for a scapegoat, and that penalty call at
Speaker 10: the end of the game is a pretty easy one.
Speaker 10: I thought it was the right call personally, I understand
Speaker 10: people who don't think it was the right call. That
Speaker 10: was very very close, But I don't think that was
Speaker 10: the biggest reason why they lost the game. Honestly. I
Speaker 10: think there's a lot of other reasons why Utah just
Speaker 10: did not put a why BYU.
Speaker 2: So Mark Carlin after the game with some very spirited comments.
Speaker 2: I wonder what you make of those comments and the
Speaker 2: reaction of the Big twelve to find him forty k
Speaker 2: and then give him a public reprimand Max.
Speaker 10: Yeah, it was I've never seen that suctor to do
Speaker 10: that before, right, that was first of all, it was
Speaker 10: very rare. Do you see that fleck arctor after a
Speaker 10: game do his own press conference. I don't even think
Speaker 10: Utah was planning on that. I think he just went
Speaker 10: through the podium and started talking. Honestly, he had something
Speaker 10: to get off his chest, clearly. Yeah, obviously it wasn't
Speaker 10: a great look. And anytime you started accusing a conference
Speaker 10: of you know, rigging the game when you're in a
Speaker 10: flectator in the conference, that's not a very good look.
Speaker 10: So the fine and the reprimand the reprimanding, that was
Speaker 10: not a very big surprise to me. I'll based off
Speaker 10: those comments again, that to me wasn't a great look
Speaker 10: for Utah as the Flex department. I understand their frustration.
Speaker 10: I understand it was a very very close falcohol and
Speaker 10: I understand uh, you know, being upset about that, But
Speaker 10: I just I don't think as about pleasure, that's something
Speaker 10: that fans can say, if you're an A D, you
Speaker 10: can't be going out to the media and saying those
Speaker 10: kinds of things. So I completely understand the fine and
Speaker 10: everything that happened afterwards.
Speaker 2: So to pan back, you know, of course, and you
Speaker 2: and I have talked all season long, and I continue
Speaker 2: to believe that you really can be as reductive as
Speaker 2: saying Cameron Rising was never right this year, and that's
Speaker 2: changed everything. But at this point, with five straight losses,
Speaker 2: it feels like it's a lot more than just one position.
Speaker 2: Although coach Wit always talks about the effect that Cameron
Speaker 2: has on his teammates, and we've seen it here in
Speaker 2: saw Lake firsthand, and when he's right, when he's healthy,
Speaker 2: for whatever reason, his presence simply does lift the group.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's what great leaders do.
Speaker 2: But it can't be the only thing to blame when
Speaker 2: you've lost five straight, You've only won one conference game,
Speaker 2: and Vegas thought you were going to win it, The
Speaker 2: media thought you were going to win it, and certainly
Speaker 2: youth fans were very very front facing about their belief
Speaker 2: that they were going to win it too. Why do
Speaker 2: you think we're sitting here in Saul Lake with a
Speaker 2: four and five team overall with a one in five
Speaker 2: record in conference play.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I think a SARTs at quarterback, you know, right now,
Speaker 10: I think Utah is the worst pass and grade in
Speaker 10: the entire power for I just don't think they had
Speaker 10: too much of a plan if cam eris and got
Speaker 10: hurt again, which is not great considering he's a guy's
Speaker 10: very very injury prone obviously, So Isaac Wilson is a
Speaker 10: true freshman, wasn't really ready to go out there and performing.
Speaker 10: And Brandon Rose deal has did actually an admirable job,
Speaker 10: I thought in that Bayu game overall, but he's not
Speaker 10: obviously a star quarterback either. It's just they don't have
Speaker 10: a lot long offensively right now. The receiving corps as well,
Speaker 10: like braand Keith, he's not done for the year. They
Speaker 10: didn't really have much at wide receiver either. It'd be
Speaker 10: really too concerned with either. So that I also thought
Speaker 10: the front seven for Utah is just not as good
Speaker 10: as years passed. Honestly, they obtously lost the big time
Speaker 10: players like Jonah Ellis to the draft and they just
Speaker 10: didn't have much replace and was so they struggled in
Speaker 10: their front seven as well. Yeah, it's it's been a
Speaker 10: all on the team. I would say he can't really
Speaker 10: put it up blame on one thing, but I do
Speaker 10: think that Camraising going down with an injury not only
Speaker 10: for on field purposes, but also off field his leadership,
Speaker 10: like you said that to me, was really what killed
Speaker 10: Utah season.
Speaker 2: So one more thing on Saturday, then we'll move on here.
Speaker 2: Because Utah hangs twenty one points in the second quarter,
Speaker 2: and this is an offense that has not been able.
Speaker 2: They haven't scored twenty four or more against a P
Speaker 2: four team all year. And then in the second half,
Speaker 2: bring him young, hold you. Utah to seventy nine total yards,
Speaker 2: four first downs, and Utah's possessions went like this, punt, interception, punt, punt, punt, punt.
Speaker 2: They I think they didn't even have a play in
Speaker 2: the BYU territory in the second half, and they had
Speaker 2: good field position the final three possessions, ten plays, ten yards,
Speaker 2: and if they found a way just to get three
Speaker 2: in one of their six second half possessions, they.
Speaker 1: Might win the game.
Speaker 2: So tell me what you saw from your eye in
Speaker 2: the second half as Utah's offense completely stalled.
Speaker 1: Was it BYU's defensive adjustments.
Speaker 2: Was it a cautious approach from Utah's offense a little
Speaker 2: bit of both?
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts?
Speaker 10: I think it was a little bit of both. I thought,
Speaker 10: bo you did a great job of adjusting to Utah
Speaker 10: and making sure that Mackay Bernard does not beat you.
Speaker 10: And I think that's really the key for Utah's offense,
Speaker 10: just whether or not they can get but Kai Bernard, but.
Speaker 9: Not only him.
Speaker 10: Their their offensive line this year is like one of
Speaker 10: the best in the country. And I'm blocking too, So
Speaker 10: it's a combination of those two things that make Utah
Speaker 10: a pretty dangerous team on the ground. I think Byu
Speaker 10: made it started effort in the second half just make
Speaker 10: sure he did not beat him, and make sure Brandon
Speaker 10: Rose is the guy that has to beat you. And
Speaker 10: then if you do that, like he was the writ
Speaker 10: of the third string quarterback for Jutah entering the year,
Speaker 10: so yeah, they I think that was that to me
Speaker 10: was the biggest reason why Buyu was able to win
Speaker 10: that game, honestly, So yeah, I think, you know, obviously
Speaker 10: Utah is not having great a pass the game was
Speaker 10: a big factor as well, But yeah, I think there's
Speaker 10: a lot of issues there that you could see that
Speaker 10: BYU is able to pull up the win.
Speaker 2: So Utah I had SIB Boulder Saturday morning, ten am
Speaker 2: early kicktime. As far as the local stuff goes, it will.
Speaker 1: Be on Fox.
Speaker 2: Utah enters the game as a ten point underdog. There
Speaker 2: are a lot of rumors going around, but we haven't
Speaker 2: heard anything official from the university, so I can't I
Speaker 2: can't coroborate.
Speaker 1: We don't brand Keith he's out for the year.
Speaker 2: But since the game there's been some rumors about some
Speaker 2: other players lost for the year too.
Speaker 1: We'll have to wait and see what that looks like.
Speaker 2: Tell us about these Colorado Buffaloes, what's Deon being able
Speaker 2: to do to really turn that season around? And you
Speaker 2: give Utah at least a puncher's chance on Saturday and Boulder, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 10: Puncher's chances is certainly fair. I mean, they are always
Speaker 10: a well coached team with Kyle Whittingham there, so you
Speaker 10: can never count them out.
Speaker 9: And obviously they.
Speaker 10: Almost pulled it off against BYU obviously right, so you
Speaker 10: can never count out Utah. But Conrad has done a
Speaker 10: great job of just addressing their weakenses from last year,
Speaker 10: which has really just been in the trenches, both offensive
Speaker 10: line and defensive line and linebacker, and I think that's
Speaker 10: really why they've went from a four and eight team
Speaker 10: to one that's going to be maybe in the Big
Speaker 10: twelve Tile Game, maybe even in the College Fable Playoff
Speaker 10: at the end of the year as well. So that's
Speaker 10: what's really been the most improved part an oasis to
Speaker 10: have maybe the best quarterback in America in Sugar Sanders
Speaker 10: and in my opinion, the best player in college football
Speaker 10: in Travis Hunter. But to me, the biggest reason why
Speaker 10: Colro was so much better this year is that they
Speaker 10: really attacked the portal in the trenches offensive line and
Speaker 10: defensive line. Also got the number one offensive lineman in
Speaker 10: the country coming out of high school in Jordan Steens
Speaker 10: playing great left tackle. That's the biggest difference between Colorado
Speaker 10: last year and this year.
Speaker 2: All right, from a macro standpoint, Utah needs two wins
Speaker 2: in our final three games to go bowling, and the
Speaker 2: only thing max worse than playing in a throwaway bowl
Speaker 2: game is not being eligible for one. So it's Colorado
Speaker 2: on the road, as we talked about, it's Iowa stayed
Speaker 2: at home, and then it's UCF on the road. Can
Speaker 2: you talk get two of the final three to go bowling.
Speaker 10: I don't think it will happen, but it's certainly possible.
Speaker 10: I think you can look at the Iowa State and
Speaker 10: UCF games is most likely. I don't think the Colorado
Speaker 10: game is most likely one right now. Obviously you host
Speaker 10: Iowa State and Iostate. It has been having a lot
Speaker 10: of issues. I think IOA Sate could be an interesting
Speaker 10: one because Iowa State's front seven just is not very
Speaker 10: good right now. And not even a front seven. They
Speaker 10: actually run like a front six. It's like a three
Speaker 10: defensi alignment, three linebackers. I think McKay bernarc have a
Speaker 10: big day against Iowa State, honestly, that could lead to
Speaker 10: Utah to a victory. Then u CF is another team
Speaker 10: I think Utah could beat as well. Will they win
Speaker 10: both those games, I don't know. Will they win two
Speaker 10: these three games, I don't know, but I think those
Speaker 10: last two, especially those are the most winnable in my opinion.
Speaker 2: All right, Mack, So, as you know, to start the season,
Speaker 2: everybody was wrong about the Big twelve, as we know,
Speaker 2: and it seemed to be and there was a little
Speaker 2: bit of variance, but not much. You know, the three
Speaker 2: teams that were picked most to win the conference where Utah,
Speaker 2: Kansas State, and Oklahoma State. So there were a few
Speaker 2: Iowa states in there, but really not nobody picked Brigham Young.
Speaker 2: I didn't see anybody pick Colorado, at least any serious person.
Speaker 2: And so it leads me because Kansas State is still
Speaker 2: had a very good year. But if Utah is disappointing,
Speaker 2: Oklahoma State is shocking. They have not won a conference game.
Speaker 2: They're three and seven overall. What did we get so
Speaker 2: wrong about Oklahoma State? And why has their season just
Speaker 2: been so disastrous?
Speaker 10: The reason biggest is for me that Oli Gordon is
Speaker 10: a shell of himself right now. He went for the
Speaker 10: best running back in college football last year to nowhere
Speaker 10: even close this year, honestly, And I understand the offensive
Speaker 10: line run blocking why it still wasn't very good, but
Speaker 10: it wasn't very good last year either. He still ran
Speaker 10: for almost two thousand yards, so that you take away that,
Speaker 10: and now all of a sudden, you know they were
Speaker 10: really planning on, you know, riding Oli Gordon on their
Speaker 10: offense and they just haven't had that. Now, all of
Speaker 10: a sudden, you got to rely on the quarterback play
Speaker 10: and the receivers to do that. I like the receivers,
Speaker 10: but the correct position for them has just been a
Speaker 10: disaster for them, honestly, and defensively, they have the worst
Speaker 10: run degrade in the entire Power Four and in the
Speaker 10: Big Twelve, where pretty much everyone can run the football
Speaker 10: on elite level. It's a big problem, right if you
Speaker 10: can't defend the run. And like I said, Oklahoma State
Speaker 10: has the worst run d grade in the entire Power
Speaker 10: four this year. So that to me, their inability to
Speaker 10: run the ball and their inability to stop the run,
Speaker 10: that's just what's a disastrous year for the Cowboys.
Speaker 2: All right, before I set you loose, one more question
Speaker 2: about BYU because we'll see what the CFP rankings have
Speaker 2: to say tonight, and then you know, as the season
Speaker 2: goes on, we'll understand what the bracket looks like, because
Speaker 2: the rankings are not the seedings as we know. But
Speaker 2: if we operate off the hypothetical BYU goes to Dallas,
Speaker 2: they do what they have to do to get to
Speaker 2: the Big Twelve Championship, they win that they're in as
Speaker 2: a top four seed first round. By if the second
Speaker 2: round matchup is what is you know, Ohio State or
Speaker 2: somebody like that, Like somebody who is either Ohio State
Speaker 2: Penn State lives in that cul de sac. We know
Speaker 2: BYU is good. You can't have any questions left about that.
Speaker 2: If you still have questions, it means you're probably a
Speaker 2: hater or ultimately you know you've you're poking holes and
Speaker 2: things that at this point through nine games have not
Speaker 2: led to a loss. You beat the teams across from you,
Speaker 2: You do it however you have to, if there's a
Speaker 2: little luck or magic involved or whatever it is.
Speaker 1: That's the deal. So we know they're good.
Speaker 2: Are they good enough to compete with the legitimate top
Speaker 2: you know, three, four or five teams in college football
Speaker 2: this year?
Speaker 10: I think I can compete. I'm not going to pick
Speaker 10: them to win, honestly. I think, like I said, I
Speaker 10: think bou deserve to be ranked in the top five
Speaker 10: in the nation. Right now. Does that mean I think
Speaker 10: they are actually a top five team in the country. No,
Speaker 10: But I think it's a whole different argument. Right So
Speaker 10: they're definitely not gonna be favored against those teams, and
Speaker 10: probably even maybe even more than a touchdown spread to
Speaker 10: be honestly, you those in that second round playoff game,
Speaker 10: but I think it's possible they could beat them up. Obviously,
Speaker 10: like Penn State or Ohio State, they're very beatable. We've
Speaker 10: seen that in the past, and BA is a pretty
Speaker 10: good team as well. But I'm not I'm probably gonna
Speaker 10: pick BYU to lose in the second round depending on
Speaker 10: who they play. But they are certainly they're very good
Speaker 10: to know me wrong, but I just a's a whole
Speaker 10: different level that you're talking about the highest state as well,
Speaker 10: so they certainly have a chance. I'm not taking that
Speaker 10: away from them, but we'll see what happens in the
Speaker 10: second round.
Speaker 1: All right, Where can people go get all your work? Max?
Speaker 10: Yeah, you can find it all PFF dot com. And
Speaker 10: you want to watch the PF College Football Show US
Speaker 10: on YouTube. We're actually going live in about forty five
Speaker 10: minutes to go for a week twelve preview show actually
Speaker 10: previewing the the BYU game and also the Utah game
Speaker 10: as well. To make sure you guys check out the
Speaker 10: People Collefortball Show on YouTube and anywhere you get podcasts.
Speaker 1: All right, buddy, appreciate the time, have a good show today. Okay,
Speaker 1: Thanks I appreciate you, all right, Max Chadwick.
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Speaker 1: Alright, buddy, JP Junger is going to roll by in studio.
Speaker 2: JP currently is wearing a bunch of different hats. He
Speaker 2: formerly was the producer of this radio program. Now he
Speaker 2: is the voice of the Utah Royals, he is the
Speaker 2: voice of the Salt Lake City Stars, and he's still
Speaker 2: doing podcasting for the Utah Jazz Radio Network. You're back
Speaker 2: to some college football in the five o'clock hour. The
Speaker 2: Kyle Whittingham Coaches Show comes your way at six o'clock tonight.
Speaker 2: Should be an entertaining one this evening after a tough weekend.
Speaker 1: So we have one coach at six.
Speaker 2: We have one coach right now we'll do some Utah
Speaker 2: women's hoops around the road against Northwestern on Thursday night,
Speaker 2: five o'clock start time, and coach Lynn Roberts back on
Speaker 2: the drive on a Tuesday, coach, Happy Tuesday.
Speaker 1: How are you.
Speaker 5: I'm doing great?
Speaker 9: How are you?
Speaker 1: I'm well? I'm well. All right.
Speaker 2: So some new faces, some familiar faces, a two and
Speaker 2: oh start. Neither game has been relatively close. We'll kind
Speaker 2: of get to what's next. I do want to talk
Speaker 2: about this interesting change of conference and what it means
Speaker 2: for your program. But from a macro standpoint, what should
Speaker 2: we know about your team this year? Again, a lot
Speaker 2: of faces coming back and some new faces added to
Speaker 2: the puzzle.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that's well said. You know, we have
Speaker 5: our core group back. Gianna Niapkin's returning All American, has
Speaker 5: two years left, Kenny McQueen, the hender for Utah Local
Speaker 5: UH and Jenna Johnson. Those guys are all seniors in
Speaker 5: Eshvita back, Matty Wilke back. We've got some good ones
Speaker 5: and you know a lot of preseason lists for point
Speaker 5: guard of the Year with a Nash and Jenna's on
Speaker 5: the power forward of the year, you know, one of ten,
Speaker 5: one of ten, one of ten. So we've got some
Speaker 5: good guys back that have been in this program for
Speaker 5: you know, three years, four years, and they also you know,
Speaker 5: beyond being upper class, and they have a lot of experience.
Speaker 9: You know, they've all every.
Speaker 5: Year they've been here, they've advanced in the NCAA tournament,
Speaker 5: and they've won Tactal Championship. Like, there's just a lot
Speaker 5: of experience, not just age experience, but big game experience
Speaker 5: in winning. So that's a luxury as a coach. But
Speaker 5: then we also have three really good freshmen and a
Speaker 5: couple of transfers that I really like, and then some
Speaker 5: key role players back that are you know, they've improved.
Speaker 5: So I like our roster. It's a great mix of
Speaker 5: new plus just experienced veterans. So I think that's a
Speaker 5: good balance. When you're looking at the season, Well.
Speaker 2: When you lose an all time great, it's tough to
Speaker 2: make up for the absence. And Alyssa's now moved on
Speaker 2: to pro basketball in Minnesota.
Speaker 1: What have you tried to do so far?
Speaker 2: I guess you're just relying on, you know, the girls
Speaker 2: that have been in your program. But again, don't you
Speaker 2: don't just replace somebody who is historically great. So how
Speaker 2: are you going about kind of a big hole that
Speaker 2: Alyssa leaves behind?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean you don't. It's not, as I've said
Speaker 5: a lot, like, it's not zero sum or she graduates
Speaker 5: and you bring in somebody and you wipe her hands
Speaker 5: clean like hey done. Like it's just it doesn't work
Speaker 5: that way. And but where it's not like she was
Speaker 5: the entire program either. I think the system played for her.
Speaker 5: She was an incredible generational talent. But we had a
Speaker 5: lot of good players around her too, And so those
Speaker 5: guys you know, are going to step up, like you
Speaker 5: mentioned and be in some bigger, more uh scoring reliant roles.
Speaker 5: But then we've got we've got a transfer, a grad
Speaker 5: transfer from she's originally from France, graduated at Rhode Island.
Speaker 5: It was all big East out there, and so she
Speaker 5: you know, six three sixty four, really long athletics. She
Speaker 5: had twenty two points in our second game. She's good
Speaker 5: and she's going to help fill some need there. And
Speaker 5: then it's just, you know, it's my job to put
Speaker 5: our best scoring, our best players and positions to have
Speaker 5: the most impact. But we certainly have the talent to
Speaker 5: make up for it, and that's you know, while it's
Speaker 5: definitely is a loss, it's not something that stresses me
Speaker 5: out in terms of can we still be as effective,
Speaker 5: if not better?
Speaker 2: Through two games? You're still playing the same type of
Speaker 2: flow system. Everybody touches the ball, the ball move. You
Speaker 2: still like to shoot a lot of threes. You know,
Speaker 2: it does look like your style of play. I wonder
Speaker 2: how much of that is based off of And look,
Speaker 2: you do have a lot of players who have been
Speaker 2: in the program, But do you decide exactly what you
Speaker 2: will implement based off of your personnel or you a
Speaker 2: coach that says this is how I know to win,
Speaker 2: and you're going to play in this system, Like, how
Speaker 2: does that process play itself out prior to the start
Speaker 2: of the year.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think a little bit of both. I think
Speaker 5: our philosophy remains the same in terms of the way
Speaker 5: we want to play the game. The nuances of that
Speaker 5: it depends on who your players are right now. The
Speaker 5: luxury is that we get to recruit players that fit
Speaker 5: our system. So if somebody cannot shoot at all, we
Speaker 5: probably won't recruit them. That doesn't mean they're not a
Speaker 5: good player, but they're just not a good fit for us,
Speaker 5: and so you know, we're we're recruiting now to the system,
Speaker 5: But every year is nuanced. And even if we've got
Speaker 5: a bunch of players back and it's you know, a
Speaker 5: lot of the same ingredients, it's still a different recipe.
Speaker 5: Every year is different and that's the fun part of coaching,
Speaker 5: and you've got to keep it new. And so we're
Speaker 5: doing some different things than are nuances, But in terms
Speaker 5: of the philosophy of pace and tempo and space and
Speaker 5: great shot selection, that'll that'll be the same as long
Speaker 5: as I'm coaching.
Speaker 2: How has your recent success conference championships NCAA tournaments, how
Speaker 2: has that affected your ability to recruit on the trail
Speaker 2: to get into doors that maybe three four years ago
Speaker 2: you were not able to get into.
Speaker 9: Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 5: I mean great players want to want to win, right
Speaker 5: and they want to be around other great players. And
Speaker 5: so you know, we're fortunate to be at a spot
Speaker 5: with our program where we're nationally known and respected and
Speaker 5: we've kind of earned our earned our keep a little
Speaker 5: bit to where we have. You know, we're able, we
Speaker 5: have the ability to get in there, and you know,
Speaker 5: another huge part of that is our home crowd attendance.
Speaker 5: You know, last season we averaged seventy two hundred. When
Speaker 5: I got the job ten nine and a half years ago,
Speaker 5: we had the year before I got here, they averaged
Speaker 5: six hundred and fifty four people, And so we're up
Speaker 5: to seventy two hundred. And that's a huge part of
Speaker 5: recruiting kids. You know, if you're an elite player, you
Speaker 5: want to play in front of a great home crowd,
Speaker 5: and we want to keep building that. You know, my
Speaker 5: goal is to get to ten thousand and be like
Speaker 5: you know, Iowa and Yukon and those types of places
Speaker 5: that have historically had great crowds, like that's South Carolina,
Speaker 5: Like that's that's the next step. I'm certainly not content
Speaker 5: with where we are, and we just want to keep pushing.
Speaker 1: Is this your tenth year? Yes?
Speaker 5: Can you believe it?
Speaker 1: I feel like you just got hired.
Speaker 5: I know me too, But the bags under my.
Speaker 2: Eyes, Well, tenth year is the head coach, but the
Speaker 2: first year as the head coach in the Big twelve.
Speaker 2: And you know, look, it doesn't necessarily this is just
Speaker 2: my opinion, Len, it doesn't necessarily adversely affect you the
Speaker 2: way that it does Craig, because the Big twelve conference
Speaker 2: on the men's side is ridiculous, But I feel like
Speaker 2: the PAC twelve on the women's side may have been
Speaker 2: a superior conference overall, or maybe it's pretty close. As
Speaker 2: of now, looks like we've got four teams in the
Speaker 2: top twenty five. Yes, after two games, l we're going
Speaker 2: to break down the top twenty five. Iowa, Stayed, Case State,
Speaker 2: West Virginia, Baylor. But how would you articulate what this
Speaker 2: Big twelve challenge means for the women's side of things?
Speaker 2: Is it better competition? Is it pretty linear? Give me
Speaker 2: your thoughts there.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think I think you're right. I think the
Speaker 5: PAC twelve on the women's basketball side was and this
Speaker 5: is not an opinion, this is statistically factual and in
Speaker 5: terms of tournament, game advancement, statistics, play, you know, all
Speaker 5: the things, net ranking, everything packed twelve on's basketball was
Speaker 5: the best women's basketball conference, And I think what made
Speaker 5: it uniquely elite was that it was from top to
Speaker 5: bottom everybody was really competitive. You know, there's a lot
Speaker 5: of a lot of population in the West and no
Speaker 5: other conference that could you know, in the area Power
Speaker 5: five now Power four, But so there was a lot
Speaker 5: of West Coast talent that we got to stay. We
Speaker 5: being packed twelve and it was an elite league on
Speaker 5: the women's side, and maybe you know how you might
Speaker 5: equate the Big Twelve on the men's side, right like
Speaker 5: it was just the best. So you know, everybody kind
Speaker 5: of got absorbed into well not everybody rip Oregon State
Speaker 5: in Washington State, but they'll make it back. Everyone kind
Speaker 5: of got absorbed into other leagues and so we'll all
Speaker 5: kind of be spread out, which I think will you know,
Speaker 5: elevate those leagues too. But the Big Twelve is good.
Speaker 5: You mentioned four teams, but that's not just the only
Speaker 5: four that are good. Arizona's always tough, TCU is good,
Speaker 5: We're good, Colorado's always good. Like it's a good league.
Speaker 5: It's a tough league. And I think for me, you know,
Speaker 5: there's a lot of places being a West Coast kid
Speaker 5: my whole life, there's a lot of places I've never
Speaker 5: you know, competed at. New arenas, new travel, all of that,
Speaker 5: new opponents. But that part's kind of fun too. It's
Speaker 5: a new challenge. Change kind of keeps you sharp, and
Speaker 5: so I'm excited. I'm looking forward to it. I certainly
Speaker 5: don't think it's going to be easy for anybody in
Speaker 5: the Big twelve on the woman's side to cruise through.
Speaker 5: I think it's going to be everyone's going to kind
Speaker 5: of take their lumps. No one's going to go undefeated.
Speaker 5: But I think it's a really, really good league.
Speaker 2: What did you ask because you had a lot of
Speaker 2: players coming back from injury, a lot of and unfortunately
Speaker 2: that was an issue that plagued you at the end
Speaker 2: of last year. So what did you ask during the
Speaker 2: offseason from some of these young women who played for
Speaker 2: you who were hurt to make sure that they were healthy,
Speaker 2: stay in shape, and were you satisfied with the way
Speaker 2: that your roster came back ready to play.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we've got an unbelievable group that we have to
Speaker 5: and this is the honesty, goodness truth. We have to
Speaker 5: actually lock the gym so they don't get in when
Speaker 5: they're supposed to be having an off day. They are
Speaker 5: so driven and bought in and motivated to be great
Speaker 5: that they work their tails off. So my you know,
Speaker 5: my issue as a coach now is that they overtrain
Speaker 5: more than having to get them going. And that's a
Speaker 5: good problem to have.
Speaker 6: A coach.
Speaker 5: I'll tell you that.
Speaker 2: Of the of the young women you have returning to
Speaker 2: play for you, who would you point out? I would
Speaker 2: imagine Gianna is gonna be on the list as far
Speaker 2: as helping the incoming freshmen of the transfers understand, because
Speaker 2: you can only do so much Lynn as the coach,
Speaker 2: and then they're going to go when they're going to
Speaker 2: go class and they're going to go hang out. So
Speaker 2: who are you kind of leaning on to help you know,
Speaker 2: these new players understand what you ask of them as
Speaker 2: being part of this program.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we've got a handful of players that just breathe
Speaker 5: our culture. They live it and that you know John
Speaker 5: Eapns is one, Jenna Johnson and at Kennedy McQueen, Matty Wilke.
Speaker 5: Those guys, you know, I mentioned em earlier.
Speaker 8: They are the.
Speaker 5: Walking example of what we want and they you know,
Speaker 5: they've completely bought in. And so when your best players
Speaker 5: are doing that, the new guys fall in line. I
Speaker 5: don't have to do a whole lot. It's pretty player
Speaker 5: driven and player led at this point, which is awesome.
Speaker 2: Well, before I said you lewise, you should know that
Speaker 2: the latest bracketology has you in region four in Spokane.
Speaker 2: Is an eight seed play in South Dakota State.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, oh that's where we were last year. That
Speaker 5: was a great experience, wasn't it? And we played South
Speaker 5: Sacosta State. So I don't anticipate staying as an eight seed.
Speaker 5: The goal is to be a top four and host,
Speaker 5: so I think that's very It's challenging, but it's doable.
Speaker 5: But just like top twenty five polls, I don't pay
Speaker 5: much attention to the bracketology. We just kind of stay
Speaker 5: in our lane and keep our nose down in chop Wood.
Speaker 2: Man, I wouldn't imagine, So I was surprised that there
Speaker 2: was actually a bracketology available for me to look at
Speaker 2: after two non games before I set you loose, tell
Speaker 2: me about Northwestern, your next opponent coming up on Thursday.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, I've never in my in my career
Speaker 5: played Northwestern homer away or anywhere, so this is the first.
Speaker 5: I actually don't know if Utah has played Northwestern, that'd
Speaker 5: be a good trivia ever in its history. But yeah,
Speaker 5: I mean, big ten team, they've had a they've they've
Speaker 5: lost a couple of close games against really two really
Speaker 5: good teams. So they're going to be hungry to win,
Speaker 5: and it's you know, our first road game, and it'll
Speaker 5: be a tough challenge. But I think they're well coached
Speaker 5: and they've got, you know, a Big ten roster, so
Speaker 5: we have our hands full. We you know, we're the
Speaker 5: underdog going on the road in the Big ten.
Speaker 1: All right, Lynn, thanks for the time.
Speaker 2: Great to have college hoops back, Safe travels and we'll
Speaker 2: chat again.
Speaker 5: Okay, okay, thanks for having me on.
Speaker 1: All right, Lynn Roberts.
Speaker 2: She's on social media at YOUTE coach at Ute's coach,
Speaker 2: rob is where you find her. And as she referenced,
Speaker 2: you know, one of the things that's allowed her to
Speaker 2: really build this program in the right direction is the
Speaker 2: home attendance what it is now on the women's side.
Speaker 2: They'll be home next on the eighteenth against McNeice. Looks
Speaker 2: like they'll get rolling. They've got Notre Dame coming into
Speaker 2: town on the thirtieth of November. That's the top six
Speaker 2: team in the country. Then the launch into Big twelve
Speaker 2: play a little bit later on. So appreciate Lynn's time.
Speaker 2: War on Drugs came out too long ago with the
Speaker 2: National I watched up top in the VIP section checked
Speaker 2: out the scene and I looked down on the people
Speaker 2: as I typically do, and among the masses, I saw
Speaker 2: our next guest, Bob and has said a little bit,
Speaker 2: maybe a little beverage in hand, not getting two out
Speaker 2: of control, just enjoying the event as a classy gentleman
Speaker 2: would JP.
Speaker 1: John Paul, how was the show?
Speaker 3: Bell? It was tremendous.
Speaker 9: It was.
Speaker 3: They call me the Bill Walton of the War on Drugs.
Speaker 3: I'm always in the middle. I'm crowdsurfing, I'm ready to go.
Speaker 1: That's got to be your brand from now on.
Speaker 3: Yeah, somebody has to fulfill the legacy of this man.
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 3: Who is my phone background right now? I'm showing it
Speaker 3: to you. I love that you see. And I'm a
Speaker 3: Bill Walton guy.
Speaker 2: I've always said if you don't like Bill Walton, if
Speaker 2: you didn't like Bill Walton, you didn't like fun. But
Speaker 2: now we need you like following I call them WOD
Speaker 2: but whatever. Now we need you following them on tour
Speaker 2: to become like part because you're rising up the ranks
Speaker 2: of broadcasting. We need to add to your brand. And
Speaker 2: maybe that's the Bill Walton of WOD.
Speaker 3: Are the War on Drugs? Playing in Sioux falls against
Speaker 3: the scar Sky Force. Are they in Grand Rapids when
Speaker 3: the Stars are taking on the Gold Are they in Stockton, California?
Speaker 3: When they take on the Kings tomorrow? Then then I'll
Speaker 3: be the Bill Walton of the world.
Speaker 2: So that's JP's way of letting us know that he
Speaker 2: has a new job.
Speaker 1: You're wearing a lot of hats. Now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've got the Jazz podcast Network, we got Roundball,
Speaker 2: round up my favorite front row. We've got the Royals
Speaker 2: voice of and now we add to the list Voice
Speaker 2: of the Stars.
Speaker 1: Congratulations, young man.
Speaker 2: Tell us about the process and tell us your exciting
Speaker 2: level for this new gig.
Speaker 3: Well, it wouldn't have happened if I didn't do the
Speaker 3: play by play in broadcasting for the Royals, So that
Speaker 3: needs to be said one hundred percent. Those experiences covering
Speaker 3: that team and still covering that team has been a
Speaker 3: real eye opener when it came to play by play
Speaker 3: in my respect. But people saw that they recognize that
Speaker 3: I have a willingness to join the play by play ranks.
Speaker 3: It would appear and I was asked if I would
Speaker 3: do the Salt Lake City Stars, and I said yes,
Speaker 3: Because when you get asked to do something in this business,
Speaker 3: you always have to say yes because the experience is
Speaker 3: only going to be valuable in the other things that
Speaker 3: you do. And I can't wait, and I'm thrilled to
Speaker 3: be a part of the development stories in the g
Speaker 3: As you see the next general managers, the next head coaches,
Speaker 3: the next players, even though they might not be the
Speaker 3: next Kevin Durant in that league, you might find some
Speaker 3: of the real reliable role players that come into the
Speaker 3: National Basketball Association. And it all starts here with the stars.
Speaker 1: Did you and maybe you did? And I just didn't
Speaker 1: know this about you.
Speaker 2: Was play by play always something that you aspired to do?
Speaker 2: Did you always want to call games? I mean, I've
Speaker 2: never really been against it, but it's never something I've
Speaker 2: searched out because I like this intimate medium. I kind
Speaker 2: of like interviewing people long form conversation. I like sports
Speaker 2: talk radio. But you said something that stood out because
Speaker 2: it and it's so true. And I'm not going to
Speaker 2: be the old guy to say, Okay, young people in
Speaker 2: this business, listen up. But when you have an opportunity
Speaker 2: to do something in this business and speak into a
Speaker 2: microphone almost no matter what it is, I mean, I
Speaker 2: did you top basketball pre Aff and Post during the
Speaker 2: Jacoltian Boiling years where I bet four people were listening
Speaker 2: all year long RSL pre Aff and Post for years.
Speaker 2: Like whatever it was, I knew like if somebody gives
Speaker 2: me an opportunity to bark into a microphone, if I
Speaker 2: ever want to do this full time, I have to
Speaker 2: say yes before I actually have stable footing.
Speaker 9: Right.
Speaker 2: So is play by play something that you kind of
Speaker 2: always aspired to or did these opportunities present themselves and
Speaker 2: you're just leaning into it.
Speaker 3: These opportunities presented themselves. I never went out of my
Speaker 3: way to ask can I be the Stars broadcaster? It
Speaker 3: was ultimately brought onto me because of the storytelling element
Speaker 3: that I do with the podcast and the commitment that
Speaker 3: the organization has shown to me and developing what I've
Speaker 3: got going over there, and they thought adding something to
Speaker 3: my plate would only benefit me as I continue to progress.
Speaker 3: And you know, I always thought of myself as an interviewer,
Speaker 3: a storyteller in that respect, by getting someone to sit
Speaker 3: down and really getting to the heart and the meat
Speaker 3: of really good stories. But this play by play thing
Speaker 3: is pretty addictive, and when you talk to people who
Speaker 3: do it. Fortunate to know many people who do you
Speaker 3: hear how excited they get preparing for a game, And me,
Speaker 3: during just this NWSL experience, I was enjoying the preparation
Speaker 3: of the all the players that you have to memorize
Speaker 3: and learn facts and figures about. And they said, if
Speaker 3: you have that, you can be really good at this job,
Speaker 3: because that is a part of the storytelling element and
Speaker 3: making sure that I still have a love of the
Speaker 3: grinding of learning about ad Jason Preston who was a
Speaker 3: basketball blogger for the Pistons before he got himself a
Speaker 3: scholarship to Ohio and bounced around organizations with the Clippers
Speaker 3: and now with the Stars to getting his shot in
Speaker 3: the NBA on a two way contract. The more you
Speaker 3: care about those stories, the more you care about these people,
Speaker 3: the better you are conveying and ultimately sculpting your craft.
Speaker 3: You're never gonna be perfect, not everybody's al Michaels, but
Speaker 3: the more that you tell these stories and learn about
Speaker 3: these people, you get better.
Speaker 2: Al Michaels apparently has a contract rider that stipulates he
Speaker 2: gets a steak at halftime of every game he calls,
Speaker 2: but that's all he claims he's never eaten a vegetable
Speaker 2: ever since he left his parents' house. What will be
Speaker 2: in the JP chunga contract rider when you rise to
Speaker 2: that level? What's the meal at halftime? I have a
Speaker 2: feeling that's going to have something, you know, kind of
Speaker 2: like this.
Speaker 3: Well it's a pastasa, probably a Menican a medical. Look,
Speaker 3: these play by play people are kind of odd ducks.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, don't get me started.
Speaker 3: Some are odd birds as well, Iron Nice being one
Speaker 3: of them. The man hasn't had a salad his entire life.
Speaker 3: Won't eat a hamburger with a condiment on it.
Speaker 1: Really, yeah, Iron just wants straight bird cheese. No, just
Speaker 1: straight and ea.
Speaker 3: The man is lived his entire life going to some
Speaker 3: of the finest culinary cities across this country and says
Speaker 3: no to condiments, fry sauce.
Speaker 2: Nice try, it's not gonna happen. You can't get weird
Speaker 2: on me, dude. Don't don't get weird as you rise
Speaker 2: the ranks. I'm not gonna let you get weird.
Speaker 3: I think other people are projecting on me, these quirks.
Speaker 3: That's what am. I just secretly quirky that they think,
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, he should be played by the play broadcast.
Speaker 1: Potentially you said something that's to that, you said, it's
Speaker 1: a dick danme.
Speaker 3: It is interesting, well, because so there's nothing greater than
Speaker 3: cracking my being live on air because you're you're always
Speaker 3: on the tightrope. It's it's the free solo aspect of
Speaker 3: it and times that by twenty when people are tuning
Speaker 3: in not for you, but for the game, because ultimately
Speaker 3: anybody could be doing the broadcast of the game. It
Speaker 3: doesn't matter who it is. So long as you don't
Speaker 3: distract from it and you just add a soundtrack to it,
Speaker 3: you can do a competent job, but it's addicting to
Speaker 3: find the correct word play. When Job does a magnificent
Speaker 3: dunk and Iron calls it a jaw dropper, that's where
Speaker 3: I say, Wow, that's somebody who's at the top of
Speaker 3: his game, crafting the perfect sentence that's going to be
Speaker 3: the headline tomorrow, because ultimately that's the job that you're
Speaker 3: trying to do. You're trying to anticipate the headline for
Speaker 3: tomorrow in your caption today, and so it's addicting to
Speaker 3: try and find the answer to that question when you're
Speaker 3: doing a ballgame because you're you never find you never
Speaker 3: think you have the most perfect broadcast, but it's much
Speaker 3: better than you thought when you review it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, if you're approaching it the right way because
Speaker 2: you reference the oddities of certain play by play people
Speaker 2: and the ones.
Speaker 1: That are the worst are the ones that are in
Speaker 1: it because of the ego. Right.
Speaker 2: It's just they think it's all about them, right, and
Speaker 2: you know, they probably think they're killing it every time.
Speaker 2: And this job or a play by play gig, we're
Speaker 2: you're calling a game isn't different than any other job
Speaker 2: where some days you have it, sometimes some days you don't.
Speaker 2: And if you're always seeking to get better, you will
Speaker 2: listen to yourself with a critical eye. Like I don't
Speaker 2: like listening to myself. I never have, I never will.
Speaker 2: The only times I will is if I finish an
Speaker 2: interview and I go, that was a bad question, or
Speaker 2: that was I get wordy and my questions as you know,
Speaker 2: as Will Hardy found out last year, Really I do
Speaker 2: like that's a bad habit of mine, but it's a
Speaker 2: habit that comes as a result of being a solo
Speaker 2: host for four hours because you have to fill a
Speaker 2: buster a little bit you have to fill clock, so
Speaker 2: I'll finish an interview. I actually did today earlier with
Speaker 2: Max Chadwick PFF, my guy, and I asked him a
Speaker 2: question about the Utah offense in the second half, and
Speaker 2: then after the interview, I went that was you should
Speaker 2: have given.
Speaker 1: Him more space.
Speaker 2: I inserted like five opinions and there's nothing left to
Speaker 2: talk about if I take up all the bandwidth in
Speaker 2: a question. So the only time I'll go back and
Speaker 2: listen is if I feel like I asked a question
Speaker 2: in a poor way.
Speaker 1: Do you I mean, what do you As far as
Speaker 1: going back.
Speaker 2: And listening to a call or a game, do you
Speaker 2: do that to try to improve here or there?
Speaker 1: Do you earmark certain things during the game? Sale?
Speaker 2: I need to go hear how I handle that, Like
Speaker 2: how do you approach that dynamic?
Speaker 3: I would start by re listening to that question that
Speaker 3: you just asked me. Yeah, but it was worthy. It
Speaker 3: was a little wordy, but that's okay.
Speaker 1: That's who I am. That's a radio, it's your show.
Speaker 3: I listened to it no matter what. Oh really, I
Speaker 3: really do. If I get tired of listening to myself,
Speaker 3: then I'm not improving. I have to listen to a
Speaker 3: bare minimum and I know this is going to get
Speaker 3: tricky because they're going to be back to backs in
Speaker 3: the G League, but at bare minimum a half of
Speaker 3: anything that I call before the next game, and I
Speaker 3: try to leave a couple days of space in between
Speaker 3: calling the game and the next match. At least for soccer.
Speaker 3: It's I've had the luxury of having so much more
Speaker 3: time but critiquing everything. If if I'm the toughest critic
Speaker 3: on myself than when I send it out to somebody
Speaker 3: one of my play by play friends, I know I've
Speaker 3: already thrown every punch at myself that I can. I
Speaker 3: just need to know specifically on things when I ask
Speaker 3: other people. You know, Guy Haberman, who he may know,
Speaker 3: comes on the show so right the program, Uh, he
Speaker 3: said something pretty insightful that it's about when when you're
Speaker 3: asking for feedback from others, be very direct, because otherwise
Speaker 3: the whole thing is in six months, you're gonna get
Speaker 3: better just by naturally doing it every single day or
Speaker 3: every single game, You're just going to be better in
Speaker 3: six months. And the most bland, run of the mill
Speaker 3: advice that a broadcast can give to another keep doing it.
Speaker 3: You're on the right track, you know.
Speaker 10: Like you.
Speaker 1: Need reps.
Speaker 3: But it's so true. In six months, I will be
Speaker 3: better than the very first game that I do on
Speaker 3: Monday against the Rips Remix, which you can always catch
Speaker 3: us Stars at the Maverick Center. Tickets available at Salt
Speaker 3: Lake City Stars dot com. But I'm going to be
Speaker 3: better in six months.
Speaker 9: I need to.
Speaker 3: When I go to other people, ask them specifically, is
Speaker 3: this how you would handle a situation? There was a
Speaker 3: big injury in this moment. I don't know if I
Speaker 3: handled it correctly where I wasn't assuming too much on
Speaker 3: the field, where I wasn't making assumptions, and I was
Speaker 3: leaving it a little bit of time to breathe for
Speaker 3: the analyst to jump in. How to handle it? That's
Speaker 3: how I go about asking from critiques from other people
Speaker 3: and other broadcasters, but myself, I don't pull any punches.
Speaker 3: I'm listening to every single word. Am I using present tents?
Speaker 3: Am I using future tents? Am I being too verbose?
Speaker 3: Everything comes under fire when you're listening to yourself behind
Speaker 3: the mic.
Speaker 2: Were you so new house Syracuse stand up? Were you
Speaker 2: schooled to review your calls? Were you taught in jail,
Speaker 2: you know where you went to Syracuse, Like that's part
Speaker 2: of the educational process. You need to review your things, yeah, man,
Speaker 2: oh yeah, and especially with your peers. Yeah, your peers
Speaker 2: are ripping you apart in class when you do a
Speaker 2: stand up on the Syracuse mayor approving her budget and
Speaker 2: they want to know, all right, you got a little
Speaker 2: too wordy and your stand up up there, And I
Speaker 2: don't know how relevant this background was in the stand
Speaker 2: up that you did for this upcoming SoundBite that you
Speaker 2: got from not just the mayor, but you talk to
Speaker 2: the county commissioner.
Speaker 3: I don't know if it fit right there. So it
Speaker 3: was pretty brutal because everybody's so competitive, and yes it's tough,
Speaker 3: but ultimately that's what makes you the better broadcast or
Speaker 3: the better news reporter, the better everything, is that you're
Speaker 3: willing to put yourself out there and be open to
Speaker 3: those critiques because ultimately everybody's looking out for you. They're
Speaker 3: trying to make you better.
Speaker 1: So one more thing here, then we'll move on.
Speaker 2: As someone who's done sports talk radio and now play
Speaker 2: by play, because I've been told by people, if you
Speaker 2: wanted to do what you could because of what you've
Speaker 2: done for eighteen years, like the line between the two
Speaker 2: is pretty thin. Has that been your experience or do
Speaker 2: you find them to be two different skill sets? Because
Speaker 2: I'll say this, I think there are some play by
Speaker 2: play announcers doing play by play right now that are
Speaker 2: horrific at it, but acceptable as sports soccer radio hosts.
Speaker 2: And I think there are some sports soccer radio hosts
Speaker 2: that are horrible at that, but they're actually pretty decent
Speaker 2: at play by play. So have you found similarities between
Speaker 2: the two? Are they two different crafts?
Speaker 3: I think they're two different disciplines and they're so different
Speaker 3: in what you have to accomplish with each, but ultimately
Speaker 3: the fundamentals of them are pretty similar. You're trying to
Speaker 3: entertain people, and if you're a play by play broadcaster
Speaker 3: and you're not entertaining, then ultimately, what's the point of
Speaker 3: the broadcast?
Speaker 9: Now?
Speaker 3: It is the game, and you have to compliment that,
Speaker 3: but making sure that you're also bringing new people in.
Speaker 3: Not everybody who's watching is the die in the wool
Speaker 3: sports fan that is listening to a sports talk radio
Speaker 3: show and understands all the storylines of what has happened
Speaker 3: so far. I found them very different, and I think
Speaker 3: that's good in my respect because I'm so early in
Speaker 3: on it on the broadcasting game. But I definitely hear
Speaker 3: that some broadcasters can't become talk show hosts, and some
Speaker 3: talk show hosts can't become play by play broadcasters.
Speaker 1: And you know, it's the old mad dog thing.
Speaker 2: Every radio guy can podcast, but ten percent of podcasters
Speaker 2: can do radio or whatever. All Right, So the Stars
Speaker 2: gonna be an interesting year because the Jazz have a
Speaker 2: ton of young talent, and we could see some injuries,
Speaker 2: we could see some dips in play. I mean, we
Speaker 2: know that will is going to be developing a lot
Speaker 2: of these young players with the varsities, Gordy would say,
Speaker 2: but we could see well, Cody william O, Kyle Philipowski potentially.
Speaker 2: I mean, these guys are starting for the big boy
Speaker 2: club right now. A few weeks back, heading a hot
Speaker 2: yoga look over, and I see the original wog my guy.
Speaker 2: Nineteen ninety four, senior Cardinal Gibbons School in Baltimore, Maryland.
Speaker 2: I'm a rising sophomore. We both may have been at
Speaker 2: five Star. Wasn't a big deal. Just a couple of
Speaker 2: hoopers from the Northeast chopping it up about going to
Speaker 2: camp together back in the day. He was like a
Speaker 2: celebrity then already because he was in a McDonald's All American.
Speaker 2: He'd already committed to Duke, but he didn't look like
Speaker 2: he should be playing high level college basketball. I am
Speaker 2: taller than Steve wo Jakowski, but he is the original
Speaker 2: woj and I honestly thought John Paul at one point
Speaker 2: he would coach Duke. I thought, you know, he'd got
Speaker 2: a good job of Marquette, and he always came across
Speaker 2: as a very good communicator, a guy that was a
Speaker 2: natural coach. For a minute, I thought Quinn was going
Speaker 2: to coach Duke too, But for a while I thought, Okay,
Speaker 2: Steve's going to coach Duke one day. Like a lot
Speaker 2: of coaching journeys, including Quinn's, took a couple of U turns.
Speaker 2: Now he's landed back here coaching the stars in Saul Lake.
Speaker 2: What are your interactions been like with him so far?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Wojo has been phenomenal to deal with, and ultimately
Speaker 3: he's basically a part of the Jazz staff. The great
Speaker 3: part about Will Hardy is how open door he's been
Speaker 3: about allowing Wojo to be around the team and how
Speaker 3: they are using it as a very similar project from
Speaker 3: the varsity to the jv Wojo was on every single
Speaker 3: trip in the preseason. He's allowed, without the bat of
Speaker 3: an eye, go into a coach's meeting.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: Now during the thick of the season, go ahead. It's
Speaker 3: all the same for him, and as a communicator, he's
Speaker 3: at a very different place than where he was with
Speaker 3: college basketball. So much noise, so much clutter. There's I
Speaker 3: have to be concerned. Did this fifteen year old respond
Speaker 3: to my text? Does this fifteen year old know who
Speaker 3: I am? Does this fifteen year old about the program
Speaker 3: that I'm at? There's so much of that, and Nil
Speaker 3: has complicated it. Shout out pay the players. But now
Speaker 3: it's just about coaching and teaching. Now it's just about
Speaker 3: making sure that the two way guys are getting to
Speaker 3: a point where they can progress in their professional journey,
Speaker 3: whether it's with the Jazz or a different team. Making
Speaker 3: sure that the exhibit ten guys who are with training
Speaker 3: camp and are potential players who can play at the
Speaker 3: next level, are they also developing. It's all about teaching
Speaker 3: for him and for somebody that for so long has
Speaker 3: had to recruit and been out out on the road
Speaker 3: for so long, him finding this place where he can
Speaker 3: be in the professional game and he can still lean
Speaker 3: on that coaching and teaching element that has put him
Speaker 3: in such a good mind space and put the team
Speaker 3: in the way where it really is serving the big club.
Speaker 2: Will thirty five six, Will thirty six, Steve's forty eight.
Speaker 2: You know, interesting dynamic obviously with Will being so young
Speaker 2: but being the head guy. And I wonder how Steve
Speaker 2: kind of digests that when he clearly was on a
Speaker 2: path at one point where, like I said, I thought
Speaker 2: he'd be the duke coach or maybe go on and
Speaker 2: eventually coach in the league. How did he end up
Speaker 2: with the Stars after he lost the Giga Marquette.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he had family who was living around.
Speaker 1: Oh, that's right, Yeah, I forgot about that.
Speaker 3: He was up in Park City and he was he
Speaker 3: was living out there the good life. You say, it's
Speaker 3: a couple degrees too cold a little bit about about
Speaker 3: about six weeks out of the year, he was a
Speaker 3: okay with that. The man was doing iron men things
Speaker 3: like he he was becoming the mountain Man. And you
Speaker 3: can see it with the beard that he's kind of
Speaker 3: grown over the last couple of years. But he's climbing mountains,
Speaker 3: he's using the trails, he's decompressing after that Marquet exprespecause
Speaker 3: of college basketball we can be so draining. And he
Speaker 3: ultimately ends up here as a local interviews for the job.
Speaker 3: Good pair because Will Hardy was you could say boy
Speaker 3: genius for Greg Popovic, so is Steve oo Jahowski with
Speaker 3: another legendary head coach, coach k and that expectation being
Speaker 3: the keeper of the secrets, being somebody who has that
Speaker 3: shared experience initially bonds them, but ultimately as an ex
Speaker 3: o's guy, as an offensive person, as somebody that knows
Speaker 3: NBA spacing. That's how he ended up with a job
Speaker 3: and why he's in the position with the Salt Lake
Speaker 3: City Stars.
Speaker 2: All Right, I woke up today with a real pep
Speaker 2: in my step. You know, I was energetic. Wasn't sure why,
Speaker 2: but I remember the NBA Cup starts tonight.
Speaker 1: I know, big day. It's a big day.
Speaker 2: Oh it's a big day for hoopeds, Big day for whopeds.
Speaker 2: All right, So give me a little flavor because just
Speaker 2: so you know, I will be down at the game tonight. Oh,
Speaker 2: my I'm making it and just just to aside, will
Speaker 2: you please this time let everybody know. I will everybody know,
Speaker 2: because I mean, I just feel like the welcome last
Speaker 2: time was underwhelming. I had to call my guy Dunio
Speaker 2: to get the credential. I mean, it got a little weird.
Speaker 2: So if you could spread the word, maybe a video tribute.
Speaker 2: But if you can't make that happen tonight, that's fine.
Speaker 3: The Clayton Keller of Utah Sports.
Speaker 2: Meeting, I did think I was He was very nice,
Speaker 2: but he thought I was a hockey player and he
Speaker 2: was going to try to get me in as a
Speaker 2: member of the Utah Hockey Club.
Speaker 1: But eventually my.
Speaker 2: Guy Dunio got me in. What's the building gonna feel like?
Speaker 2: You've been down there? I'm heading down there with with
Speaker 2: our guy Trey Elliott will be there.
Speaker 1: The whole crew is going to be in town tonight
Speaker 1: at the game. So what's the building you gonna feel like?
Speaker 3: Well, it's gonna be a really cool crowd to see
Speaker 3: because this Jazz team is eager to get a win
Speaker 3: in front of the home fans because they got that
Speaker 3: road trip double away from the Delta Center. But it's
Speaker 3: gonna be another good crowd. I'm shocked at how the
Speaker 3: fans never ceased to amaze me, especially on these Emirates
Speaker 3: Cup nights with all of the eyes on them to
Speaker 3: watch the Phoenix Suns. And even though there's no Kevin Durant,
Speaker 3: you're gonna see Devin Booker, You're going to see Bradley Beal.
Speaker 3: You're going to see a new look Phoenix team that's
Speaker 3: launching threes in droves, much like the rest of the NBA,
Speaker 3: but seeing what this Jazz team can do with the
Speaker 3: likes of Kyle Philpowski, who had a good road trip
Speaker 3: and Isaiah Collier who now is looking very bright in
Speaker 3: the way that he got his first start last time
Speaker 3: out against San Antonio. They're playing the young kids. Oh, finally,
Speaker 3: they're playing the young kids after not doing it for
Speaker 3: one game against Milwaukee, ar I was wondering, had Will
Speaker 3: lost his mind? Did he forget to coach? No, he didn't.
Speaker 3: We're going to go crazy over one.
Speaker 1: Game that sell Trip dot Com Triple Team.
Speaker 3: You know, that's that's for other people. Time to provide
Speaker 3: a little perspective. They're going to play all year long.
Speaker 3: But tonight, seeing those young players and how they go
Speaker 3: against one of the best teams in the West, Phoenix.
Speaker 3: I think last time I checked their number two in
Speaker 3: the entire conference, that is pretty stacked and pretty loaded
Speaker 3: even without Kevin Duran.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess we'll never see Cody guardianis.
Speaker 3: So the valuable minutes of seeing Keyana. Oh yeah, that's right.
Speaker 3: Giannis is on his farewell tour. He's never going to
Speaker 3: play the Jazz again.
Speaker 1: Wasted opportunity.
Speaker 2: The Emritus NBA Cup drama at its finest tonight, not
Speaker 2: just here in Salt Lake, but across the landscape of
Speaker 2: pro basketball, as is.
Speaker 1: Mike On Hello, John Paul, what do you call it?
Speaker 1: Emeritus NBA?
Speaker 3: Isn't it sponsored though Emirates, Emirates, Emirates.
Speaker 1: Emerts period as a soccer guy. Oh, that's what I said, Emirates.
Speaker 1: What did I say.
Speaker 2: You didn't say Emirates Emirates I said early, I corrected
Speaker 2: Tim McMahon earlier.
Speaker 3: What did he say?
Speaker 2: Oh, something that was not even close. I mean, talk
Speaker 2: about it, not a soccer guy. Emirates NBA Cup an
Speaker 2: English rebranded from the in season tournament a year ago.
Speaker 2: John Paul liven Studio.
Speaker 1: I hate to do this to you.
Speaker 2: Okay, I don't want to make you emotional, but you
Speaker 2: were a producer for this show on the Massted Dylan Moskovitz.
Speaker 2: But you're also a producer on this radio station for
Speaker 2: a number of years, and byu Utah Week was last week.
Speaker 2: You're no longer a part of it actively as a
Speaker 2: front facing member of the media because you've been doing
Speaker 2: other things. But it is the biggest thing that happens
Speaker 2: here in the market, regardless of who you work for, regardless.
Speaker 1: Of who you cheer for.
Speaker 2: What are some of your memories of being at this
Speaker 2: radio station during rivalry week when you were producing shows
Speaker 2: and you were actively part of byu Utah football, I.
Speaker 3: Might have also been through a pretty big goal in
Speaker 3: the schedule of those two scheduling each other. But the
Speaker 3: game is awesome because both sides are unreasonable during that
Speaker 3: week in a good way. I say that in a
Speaker 3: good way, of sure, because that's why people care about sports.
Speaker 3: That's why I care about sports. That's why everybody wants
Speaker 3: to go to these games, and they're they're so coveted.
Speaker 3: But like when Tyler Huntley says, they soa poo poo,
Speaker 3: and people actually take that seriously, it's amazing. Yeah, because
Speaker 3: he's doing it just.
Speaker 2: To you, knowing that on BYU TV all week.
Speaker 3: That's awesome, It's great. That's why he said it, because
Speaker 3: he's leaning into the heel character a little wrestling. That's
Speaker 3: what sports are, soap operas for men. That's why we watch. Okay,
Speaker 3: we want our stories. We want to watch our stories.
Speaker 3: And I've always enjoyed how crazy it makes people, how
Speaker 3: incensed athletic directors can get a route this subject as well, apparently,
Speaker 3: But the fact that it's a conference game now it
Speaker 3: means a little bit more than when I was at
Speaker 3: this radio station and it was just two teams not
Speaker 3: connected by conference bonds that were just playing each other.
Speaker 3: The conference element huge.
Speaker 5: It is.
Speaker 2: It is and I've often been asked, you know which
Speaker 2: fan base is more insufferable, and I always say, whichever
Speaker 2: one wins.
Speaker 1: It's whichever one is winning at the time.
Speaker 2: And I've been doing it long enough to know by
Speaker 2: now the script is literally flipped depending on the outcome
Speaker 2: of the game. Because when Utah wins that the BYU
Speaker 2: cry is they're so arrogance, the arrogance of the Pac
Speaker 2: twelve Utah fan base and when BYU wins, it's the
Speaker 2: arrogance of the holier than thou pious moral high ground attitude.
Speaker 2: It truly is like whichever school wins, the other fan
Speaker 2: base just uses the same talking points and the same
Speaker 2: script and the virtue signaling like their accounts. Send me
Speaker 2: every video you have of a ute fan saying mean
Speaker 2: things to BYU fans so I can then post it
Speaker 2: and show you that we're morally superior.
Speaker 1: Like it really just depends on which team is better
Speaker 1: that given year.
Speaker 3: I hate them. I think they're classless. So many memorable
Speaker 3: lines in this entire rivalry, the what was what's the
Speaker 3: Austin Collie line?
Speaker 2: Magic happens when you're living right on and off the field.
Speaker 2: Magic happens.
Speaker 1: Magic happens. And that, by the way, and we had
Speaker 1: Austin on the show last week.
Speaker 3: Awesome.
Speaker 1: That is the most perfect thing you.
Speaker 2: Could possibly say, because what that does is reaffirming Utah's
Speaker 2: minds that BYU believes God is their twelfth man every
Speaker 2: time they take the field.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's wonderful.
Speaker 3: It's a perfect rivalry because it's neighbor against neighbor. It's
Speaker 3: Utah County against Salt Lake County. Like you can pit
Speaker 3: so many things against each other, how diametrically imposed. The
Speaker 3: crowds are the holier than down nature of it all.
Speaker 3: And that's what makes good college rivalry. It is private
Speaker 3: versus public, which you know, having gone to Syracuse and
Speaker 3: experienced Syracuse Georgetown private v private, it's just a bunch
Speaker 3: of people from New Jersey and Connecticut yelling at each other.
Speaker 3: It's not as as interesting to me. Okay, it doesn't
Speaker 3: matter that. Yeah, you guys have the same vineyard vines outfits.
Speaker 1: On the rugby belts.
Speaker 3: Yeah, congrats es sick very cool Brooks Brothers again. Huh okay,
Speaker 3: cool man. I dig that quarters up.
Speaker 2: Two callers popped at one point, by the way, just
Speaker 2: so you know, picture exist.
Speaker 3: That is not the same as as Utah E y
Speaker 3: u and my only gripe. And this is not with
Speaker 3: the two universities, is with the television companies. Why is it? Okay, guys,
Speaker 3: let's figure this out. I was in the Central time
Speaker 3: zone San Antonio following the Jazz and I was able
Speaker 3: to do a podcast with Walker Kestler. You can listen
Speaker 3: to it on the Utah Jazz podcast Network. But as
Speaker 3: people were coming up to me on the riverwalk telling
Speaker 3: me about the score of this Utah BYU game. They
Speaker 3: were following asleep telling me the updates because it's ten
Speaker 3: fifteen and it isn't even the second quarter. Folks, They've
Speaker 3: got to figure that out because games on too late.
Speaker 3: It's too good of a rivalry to put it on
Speaker 3: that late in the day.
Speaker 2: I had buddies texting back east like I'm going to bed,
Speaker 2: and I had some family members that love BYU. But
Speaker 2: it started at twelve fifteen, like, yeah, can't stay up.
Speaker 2: We'll figure it out the next day.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 2: You referenced what the athletic director of Utah elected to
Speaker 2: do after the game. We've talked about it on the show,
Speaker 2: so Mark Carlin, and you know, if you've been around
Speaker 2: the game long enough, you know that there's the magic happens.
Speaker 2: There's the I Hate Utah. There's the Brandon Burton block.
Speaker 2: There's the Brett Ratliff.
Speaker 1: Who's that dude?
Speaker 2: Holy smokes, they went to provo and one. There's three
Speaker 2: nothing we could keep going. There's Scott Mitchell, there's Eddie Johnson.
Speaker 2: You can label a lot of these games with one
Speaker 2: play with one saying with one player and there's the
Speaker 2: controversy of the holding call. Certainly that will reverberate. But
Speaker 2: I think in ten years this is going to be
Speaker 2: the Mark Harlan utah BYU oh yeah, oh yeah, because
Speaker 2: it wasn't just and so after the game, because I
Speaker 2: stayed till the end.
Speaker 1: That's what I do. Got to say.
Speaker 2: How to my guys, Colonie and a Rod, congrats, you know,
Speaker 2: dap them up, give them a hug because that's the
Speaker 2: kind of classy person that I am walking home.
Speaker 1: Boom, phone blows up. Did you see what Harlan said?
Speaker 1: Have you heard what Harlan said?
Speaker 2: Like, now I'm walking home, Buddy sends a link, pull
Speaker 2: it up, and I went, oh my gosh, John Paul.
Speaker 2: I thought he was going to be in more trouble
Speaker 2: than he actually. Brett your mark, Okay, my man does
Speaker 2: a mess out. That's a sleeping with the Fishes Conference
Speaker 2: commissioner in college football. And I just pictured Brett Yormark
Speaker 2: at like three am Eastern Time, looking at his phone
Speaker 2: and being like what he said. What I thought forty
Speaker 2: k and a public reprimand is a slap on the
Speaker 2: wrist compared to what I thought was going to happen.
Speaker 2: He goes after the integrity of the conference, the professionals,
Speaker 2: the professionalism of the officiating crew.
Speaker 1: I think he got off easy.
Speaker 2: I thought it was such a swing and a miss
Speaker 2: for a guy that seemed to be pretty calculated.
Speaker 1: What was your reaction when you first saw and heard
Speaker 1: the comments.
Speaker 3: I thought it was very unfortunate. I thought it was
Speaker 3: really a bad look from him and ultimately bad for
Speaker 3: him to question the integrity of the sport. There's no
Speaker 3: reason when the game is being refed by third party
Speaker 3: officials to say that a game was stolen from you.
Speaker 3: That was egregious in my opinion, no matter how highly
Speaker 3: intensed and charged these situations are. That's where you, as
Speaker 3: an adult, have to step back from the microphone and say,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna stop scrolling Twitter, stop looking at my phone unplugged,
Speaker 3: because it's a game right now, and I need to
Speaker 3: have perspective, because as a person in leadership, you can't
Speaker 3: set that as the way that you want everybody underneath
Speaker 3: you stolen. You lost, fair and square. My guy didn't
Speaker 3: score in the second half.
Speaker 1: Five punts. Get to stop.
Speaker 3: There's no reason for you to question not only the
Speaker 3: integrity of the sport, but call out brettyor Mark isn't
Speaker 3: his boss, but people who know his boss, people who
Speaker 3: are very influential in the most important part of his job.
Speaker 3: I was unbelievable and correct use of that word, because
Speaker 3: I just did not believe that he would do that
Speaker 3: and then not take questions and just bounce afterwards, which
Speaker 3: was another amazing part of the clip. But forty k
Speaker 3: is absolutely a slap on the wrist for a guy
Speaker 3: for something like that when you call somebody out. If
Speaker 3: I called out my boss and I didn't get reprimanded,
Speaker 3: I would start questioning my boss. I'd say, Okay, what's
Speaker 3: going on here? Do I run the roofs now? Is
Speaker 3: it my time to shine? Kind of amazing, kind of amazing.
Speaker 2: I've been thinking from the moment I heard it and
Speaker 2: from the moment I saw it, And look, Mark is
Speaker 2: not my friend.
Speaker 1: We don't hang out off air, but he's always been
Speaker 1: good to me. He's been in studio.
Speaker 2: I'll probably interviewed him fifty times, and when I see
Speaker 2: him at games, he says hello and we talk and
Speaker 2: he seems measured, he seems smart. I don't know the
Speaker 2: nature of his relationship with Kyle or anything as far
Speaker 2: as behind the wall up there, I really don't. But
Speaker 2: as I often say, and I wish I had learned
Speaker 2: this lesson as a younger person in this business, you
Speaker 2: can always not tweet, you can always not hit send.
Speaker 2: And he could have very easily just not said anything.
Speaker 2: I mean, ads do not take the podium after games.
Speaker 2: That rarely happens. It's usually just the coach and some players,
Speaker 2: and even in pro basketball, like it's typically all coaches
Speaker 2: and players outside of some sort of chaotic situation like
Speaker 2: when Bob Myers took the podium after Durant got hurt
Speaker 2: with his achilles, because he's like, we need to get
Speaker 2: ahead of this narrative that we brought him back too soon.
Speaker 2: So let me give you the take of the organization.
Speaker 2: But that's an outlier. It's Steve Kerr, it's Steph, it's Draymond,
Speaker 2: and then that's it. So he could have simply just
Speaker 2: not said anything. To your point about not taking questions
Speaker 2: not a good look. But I started to from the
Speaker 2: minute I heard it, the thoughts been permeating through my mind.
Speaker 1: Why did you do that?
Speaker 2: So the simplest explanation is you're just mad. You feel
Speaker 2: like he got jobbed. You didn't like the call. That's
Speaker 2: the simplest explanation. You're mad, you're emotional, you want to
Speaker 2: send a message. But in what world has had a
Speaker 2: good idea? So I started wondering aloud, and I've talked
Speaker 2: about this on Monday, on yesterday's show cause he's The
Speaker 2: statement fell short too. It's missing two words, which is
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Like we don't apologize. Well, in this country,
Speaker 2: we justify our bad behavior. I'm not judging I've done
Speaker 2: the same thing. But he said in a statement he
Speaker 2: went into the locker room, saw coaches and players. I
Speaker 2: wonder if he was trying to show Kyle like, I've
Speaker 2: got you back, and I'm a football guy.
Speaker 1: I'm tough too.
Speaker 2: At the end of the game, he's on the field
Speaker 2: yelling at the refs while the kick return was still going,
Speaker 2: and the video shows that Mark's on the field, which
Speaker 2: doesn't happen either. I just wonder if this was like
Speaker 2: a I'm gonna show my coach that no matter what,
Speaker 2: I'm right or die. I'm not saying that's a justification.
Speaker 2: I honestly cannot understand why a guy who I perceived
Speaker 2: to be as measured and Smart decided to take that approach.
Speaker 3: It did seem very out of character for the dealings
Speaker 3: that I had with him, because when I was at
Speaker 3: the radio station, it was his first couple of days
Speaker 3: on the job coming from USF, and he was always
Speaker 3: very professional, very easy to deal with, and pretty measured
Speaker 3: in what he was going to say. So I buy
Speaker 3: that a little bit, but I do not discount how
Speaker 3: angry people get when the result doesn't.
Speaker 1: Go your way.
Speaker 3: For sure, any game like that, and a game like
Speaker 3: that in the electricity of the atmosphere in the season
Speaker 3: that has happened for Utah as well, because the context
Speaker 3: of the entire tapestry of this year has to go
Speaker 3: into it. Because of all the expectations that this program
Speaker 3: had heading in and feeling the heat of things underneath you,
Speaker 3: things conspiraling, you start to lose your head. So many
Speaker 3: times athletes and coaches they act out of character when
Speaker 3: they're put into high pressured situations. That's how I saw
Speaker 3: it in it being very out of character, but ultimately
Speaker 3: the workings of someone who's really emotional after a loss
Speaker 3: in the way that Utah lost that game.
Speaker 2: And one more thing on this, then we'll move on
Speaker 2: with a couple of minutes we have left, and I
Speaker 2: honestly don't know what the dynamic is up there with
Speaker 2: how this all would have taken place, but I can remember,
Speaker 2: you know, my father always had a PR right hand man.
Speaker 2: His name was Eric Gelfan is now PR director for
Speaker 2: the New York Jets, but he was the PR director
Speaker 2: for the Garden for like fifteen years, including the ten years.
Speaker 1: That my dad was there.
Speaker 2: And before my dad would ever say anything, he would
Speaker 2: talk to Eric. No matter what, you know, Nick's heat,
Speaker 2: Nick's pacers, we could keep going, like all of the
Speaker 2: crazy emotional Nick nineties roller coasters stuff with players off
Speaker 2: the court that no one will ever know.
Speaker 1: He would always call him.
Speaker 2: He would always talk to him, and before he had
Speaker 2: rest the media, including when he was essentially sorry Pops,
Speaker 2: you know, outed for interviewing Phil Jackson, when Jeff van
Speaker 2: Getney was that coach. He calls Eric, He's like, what
Speaker 2: do we do? I just wonder if there's and maybe
Speaker 2: Mark just ran up to the podium was like, I'm
Speaker 2: not talking to anybody. But in moments like that, there's
Speaker 2: got to be contingencies and interferences in place to protect
Speaker 2: an emotional person from himself.
Speaker 3: That's why they have a cooling off period for the
Speaker 3: players ultimately, so that you can cool off literally from
Speaker 3: the game where all your emotions are happening. And it's
Speaker 3: why Blake Griffin does the great comedy bit of where
Speaker 3: he's just saying nothing after a postgame interview because I
Speaker 3: just exercised for two hours. How am I supposed to
Speaker 3: put into words what happened on the floor. I don't
Speaker 3: know what happened five seconds. It's an insane ask that
Speaker 3: we ask of these guys. Yeah, but it's funny the
Speaker 3: way that he does it and encourage that sort of
Speaker 3: deal to rewatch that. But he needed to think this
Speaker 3: through because it was so out of character for him.
Speaker 3: When Chris Hill was freaking out about the officials in
Speaker 3: the basketball game, He's an East Coast guy.
Speaker 1: That's what some East Coast guys do.
Speaker 3: Okay, they listen to a lot of Billy Joel, Bruce
Speaker 3: Springsteen and they get mad at people.
Speaker 1: They're rationally emotional.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're rationally emotional when they're driving down the turnpike
Speaker 3: around the Holland Tunnel.
Speaker 1: That's what they do.
Speaker 3: So when Chris Hill did that, it was very in characters.
Speaker 3: He's been that his entire career. He cares about basketball.
Speaker 3: You know that that was his number one sport on
Speaker 3: the Hill because of how much he loved the game.
Speaker 3: And for Mark to do that in that moment, it happens.
Speaker 3: It really does happen when people lose their heads, and
Speaker 3: it creates these moments that'll go down in infamy and
Speaker 3: adds another chapter to the old rivalry.
Speaker 2: And the news cycle will move on and people will
Speaker 2: hound in on different things. And I don't think he
Speaker 2: deserves to be hit with the head every single day.
Speaker 2: And for the Mark Harlan needs to lose his job.
Speaker 2: Crowd like, get offline, cal him down. You know, it
Speaker 2: was just a moment in time. But yeah, I still
Speaker 2: walking walking home and get pulled in that up on
Speaker 2: my phone was quite a moment, all right. Since you
Speaker 2: and I last spoke, there was a scene in Minnesota.
Speaker 3: I'm not going to talk about it.
Speaker 5: I know.
Speaker 1: Do you want you have any offseason thoughts or I.
Speaker 3: Don't want to talk about it, okay, because it's what
Speaker 3: I said.
Speaker 1: I know, I know this is hard for you, but
Speaker 1: you're emotional now, but you weren't as like you would have.
Speaker 1: Mark Harlan This.
Speaker 2: If I talked to you right after the Minnesota game,
Speaker 2: I know you've had a few days to digest thrown
Speaker 2: a chair too, it would have been completely founded. No
Speaker 2: one would have blamed you.
Speaker 3: They were different the second half of the season after
Speaker 3: the suspension, and they changed the team, and they didn't
Speaker 3: get back to that front half of the season. Four
Speaker 3: and ultimately RSL congratulations the most poet, YadA, YadA, YadA.
Speaker 3: Doesn't matter. Playoffs matter. That's it disrupt the chemistry of
Speaker 3: that team. Wow, that's it. I'm done. I gotta go,
Speaker 3: I gotta go. I can't do it anymore.
Speaker 1: Do you think Trey's job should be safe?
Speaker 3: I think his job is. He's fine. But it was very,
Speaker 3: very disappointing to see the way that the season ended.
Speaker 3: With all the bright hopes. I was expecting time at
Speaker 3: beer bar, but unfortunately it was ropped for me. Who's stolen?
Speaker 3: Some would say stolen?
Speaker 1: Did they even lose?
Speaker 9: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean, go back and look at the regas wish
Speaker 2: they didn't, all right, John Paul, tell our listeners where
Speaker 2: they can find all the awesome jazz podcasts these days.
Speaker 3: Utah Jazz Podcast Network just look it up on any
Speaker 3: of the podcasts platforms Utah Jazz Podcast Network you'll find
Speaker 3: an episode with Walker Kessler, The Lace one that I
Speaker 3: did on the road in Chicago after the Utah Jazz
Speaker 3: got their first win.
Speaker 1: AhR, buddy, see you tonight, thanks for popping in.
Speaker 2: John Paul Shanga check him out saw on the Utah
Speaker 2: Jazz Podcast Network. He calls games out for the royals
Speaker 2: and the stars. He's a very very busy boy. All right,
Speaker 2: what's going on? Driving five time on a Tuesday afternoon?
Speaker 2: A little snow and rain earlier today. It looks like
Speaker 2: it's still snowing up in the mountains, but it has
Speaker 2: settled here in downtown Salt Lake City, Utah. Still chile
Speaker 2: and cold and cloud even no rain or snow tonight.
Speaker 2: Looks like we're gonna have a pretty chilly week, but
Speaker 2: not a lot of precipitation in the benches. Of course,
Speaker 2: it is Utah, so wait for fifteen minutes and that
Speaker 2: could change. Happy Tuesday to you. Hope you're off to
Speaker 2: a good start to your work week after a bit
Speaker 2: of a chaotic weekend in the sports world end quite
Speaker 2: frankly in the world world. So busy Tuesday Show. Busy
Speaker 2: Tuesday night in both pro and college basketball. We've got
Speaker 2: the State Farm Champions Classic on ESPN right now, it's
Speaker 2: Kansas and Michigan State. Kansas is the number one team
Speaker 2: in the country both BYU and Utah. Fans need to
Speaker 2: start watching some Big Twelve basketball to see what you're
Speaker 2: getting into. We also are moments away from the CFP release,
Speaker 2: the second iteration of the CFP release that'll come your
Speaker 2: way tonight, and the local intrigue is where BYU ends up?
Speaker 1: How far does Miami fall? What about Georgia?
Speaker 2: As the upsets have continued in college football every single weekend,
Speaker 2: chaos has ensued built in the Big Twelve and then
Speaker 2: nationally as well, So of course that's something that we
Speaker 2: are keeping our eye on here. The CFP Playoff release
Speaker 2: the rankings, which again are not the seedings.
Speaker 1: The rankings are not the seatings.
Speaker 2: This is not anything that will be instructive as it
Speaker 2: pertains to the brackets, but it will be interesting to
Speaker 2: see after coming in at number nine last week, where
Speaker 2: BYU falls tonight. My guess is they're no higher than seven.
Speaker 2: I could probably stretch my mind to believe that they'll
Speaker 2: be coming in at number six. That's not necessarily something
Speaker 2: I agree with, per se, but I if you believe
Speaker 2: the committee sent a very loud statement a week ago
Speaker 2: ranking BYU at number nine as a very very massive
Speaker 2: indictment on the Big Twelve, and ultimately BYU right now
Speaker 2: is the heavy favorite to earn a spot in the
Speaker 2: conference championship game, and according to ESPN's FPI, they are
Speaker 2: a forty percent chance favorite to win it, which is
Speaker 2: the best in the Big Twelve. Vegas has installed Colorado
Speaker 2: as the favorite to win the Big Twelve as of now. Okay,
Speaker 2: so as a result of both BYUS win over Utah
Speaker 2: over the weekend and just continued chaos in the Big
Speaker 2: Twelve conference, BYU's margin of error is very very large
Speaker 2: right now, like they could essentially lose two of their
Speaker 2: final three games and probably still go to Dallas. The
Speaker 2: question remains that if Brigham Young stays clean over the
Speaker 2: final three games, and by the way, if you are
Speaker 2: just hopping in your car to start your commute home,
Speaker 2: BYU is only a three point favorite over a Kansas team,
Speaker 2: it seems to have turned a bit of a corner
Speaker 2: as of late. You know, it's a game that BYU
Speaker 2: is still a favorite in but only by three. The
Speaker 2: line hasn't moved, the spread is large, or excuse me,
Speaker 2: the over under is big at fifty five point five.
Speaker 2: But Kansas, one of the preseason teams that people thought
Speaker 2: would kind of be a sneaky pick to compete in
Speaker 2: conference play, of course, got off to a horrible start,
Speaker 2: not just in conference but in the season.
Speaker 1: But they won two of their last three.
Speaker 2: They beat Houston at home, they nearly beat k State
Speaker 2: in Manhattan, and then they hung forty five on Iowa
Speaker 2: State just a week ago. So Kansas comes in having
Speaker 2: figured something out. It's a late kick at LaBelle Edwards Stadium,
Speaker 2: eight to fifteen mountain time. And if BYU goes twelve
Speaker 2: to zero in the regular season, and if they lose
Speaker 2: in Dallas in the Big twelve championship game, what what
Speaker 2: does that look like?
Speaker 1: I'm still very curious.
Speaker 2: About this dynamic because I do think the committee sent
Speaker 2: the message a week ago that BYU at number nine
Speaker 2: is an indictment on who this conference is overall, and
Speaker 2: you are.
Speaker 1: A one big league.
Speaker 2: That's the way I took what happened a week ago
Speaker 2: that even a twelve and one BYU. Cougar football team
Speaker 2: that loses in the Big Twelve Championship Game could be
Speaker 2: left out of the twelve team CFP and whoever wins.
Speaker 2: The bottom line is, whoever wins the Big Twelve Championship
Speaker 2: is going to be the loan team that will represent
Speaker 2: this conference. That feels a little punitive, It feels a
Speaker 2: little unfair. I mean, there certainly is brand bias in
Speaker 2: college football.
Speaker 1: They're already there. There always has been. That's not a
Speaker 1: new thing. But if your BYU, everything's still in front
Speaker 1: of you. I mean that's the good news.
Speaker 2: But does it really matter if you stay clean the
Speaker 2: rest of the way if you lose the Big Twelve
Speaker 2: Championship game. A lot of that depends on what happens elsewhere,
Speaker 2: And because there's been so much chaos in college football,
Speaker 2: I guess we'll operate off the assumption that there will be.
Speaker 2: But of course that's kind of a big thing that's
Speaker 2: going to roll down the.
Speaker 1: Pipe here in a little bit.
Speaker 2: With the CFP rankings and where you will be and
Speaker 2: where Miami falls and where Georgia falls. You know, more
Speaker 2: upsets happening in college football. You know, ultimately a week
Speaker 2: ago I would imagine we're gonna got more upsets coming
Speaker 2: up this weekend. On the Utah football side of things,
Speaker 2: Makai Pittman about twenty minutes ago, and I'm seeing this
Speaker 2: on social as a result of Josh Furlong sending it
Speaker 2: out a tweet. Makai Pittman has sent out a video
Speaker 2: explaining why he left the Utah program. I did not
Speaker 2: know any of this, but MacKaye is saying that he
Speaker 2: was badly banged up, an injury that should take eight
Speaker 2: to twelve weeks to heal, but he said he came
Speaker 2: back and put his body on the line to play,
Speaker 2: said he needed tour it all to play, but too
Speaker 2: many adverse side effects. And you know that rumor surfaced
Speaker 2: about a week week and a half ago that he
Speaker 2: was no longer with a program. But I couldn't really
Speaker 2: coroberate it until right before the game. But MacKaye has
Speaker 2: released a video kind of explaining what is going on
Speaker 2: with him. Apparently I had a partially torn achilles and yeah,
Speaker 2: I had to use painkillers to play through the pain.
Speaker 2: So wish him the best he finds a good place
Speaker 2: to land on his feet. Obviously started at Oregon, ended
Speaker 2: up at the University of Utah. A lot of the
Speaker 2: news cycle over the course of the past forty eight
Speaker 2: hours has been the comments made after the game by
Speaker 2: University of Uta athletic director Mark Harlan, receiving a lot
Speaker 2: of attention both locally and nationally. And you know, when
Speaker 2: the dust settles, we can always look back on Utah
Speaker 2: BYU games and kind of explain the most legendary ones
Speaker 2: with one play, with one name, with one player, with
Speaker 2: one coach, with one statement, magic happens. Brandon Burton block,
Speaker 2: Brett Ratliffe game back to Harlean fourth and eighteen.
Speaker 1: I think in ten years this is going to be
Speaker 1: the Mark Harlan game. I really think.
Speaker 2: That's been the main storyline. It's continued to reverberate. You
Speaker 2: guys can all, you know, take the piss out of
Speaker 2: each other online and complain about the fourth and tent
Speaker 2: holding call as much as you want. There's really nothing
Speaker 2: left to debate or argue. But it does seem to
Speaker 2: be the comments of Mark Carlin that permeate throughout the
Speaker 2: you know, the following couple of days of coverage since
Speaker 2: the game ended on Saturday night, Utah does hit the
Speaker 2: road coming up this weekend in Boulder, taking out a
Speaker 2: Colorado team that has much improved along the offensive front.
Speaker 2: They have two of the most dynamic skill position players
Speaker 2: in all college football. One of the best players that
Speaker 2: I simply have ever seen play. Every time I watch
Speaker 2: Travis Hutter, I'm blown away. Colorado seven and two, they're
Speaker 2: five and one in conference play and as of now,
Speaker 2: they are the Vegas favorite to win the Big twelve.
Speaker 2: Utah is a ten point underdog on the road in Boulder.
Speaker 2: That kicktime is going to be a ten am, which
Speaker 2: means our pregame coverage with Porter Larsen and Jordan Win
Speaker 2: and I would imagine some hot coffee and some heavily
Speaker 2: caffeinated situations will begin at six am Mountain time on Saturday.
Speaker 2: You said yesterday you were going to try to do
Speaker 2: this from your bed, but looks like you're gonna have
Speaker 2: to come into the studio.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we'll be in studio, but can confirm on the
Speaker 4: caffeinated assistance.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this. We touched on this earlier.
Speaker 1: And you know, Porter's a guy that knows the program well.
Speaker 2: It does our pregame, you know, every single game and
Speaker 2: talk to a lot of people up there I will
Speaker 2: not bring Twitter rumors on air, never have, never will.
Speaker 2: But there are rumors about multiple injuries as a result
Speaker 2: of what happened on Saturday night. We know that Bran
Speaker 2: Keithy is lost for the year, and there are a
Speaker 2: lot of people surmising that Brandon Rose might be on
Speaker 2: that list of injured players, and some people saying that
Speaker 2: they're hearing he's lost too.
Speaker 1: I can't cooberate it. We have not heard from the school.
Speaker 2: But what is your understanding of where we're at with
Speaker 2: the health of Utah football prior to Saturday at Colorado.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Well, luckily last week they for the most part, got
Speaker 4: a lot of the guys defensively back that they had
Speaker 4: been without for a good part of the year. Keanutana
Speaker 4: Vasa Junior, Tafuna Simoto Pepa's still in and out of
Speaker 4: the lineup, but Tavita Fo two is back the fold.
Speaker 4: So the defensive line that was for large parts of
Speaker 4: the early season pretty much non existent is back to
Speaker 4: mostly full strength. You've got conro O' tool, You've got
Speaker 4: the you know, Fano and the guys outside, and then
Speaker 4: now you do have the fellas in the middle back
Speaker 4: in the fold. But as you mentioned that offense man
Speaker 4: just continues to take hit after hit after hit. It's
Speaker 4: Michael Mukafisi, It's Micah Pittman, it's money Parks, it's you know,
Speaker 4: you go down the list. And now the rumors of
Speaker 4: one Brandon Rose being done for the year, you know,
Speaker 4: I can't confirm that, And I bet you you'll hear
Speaker 4: from Kyle Whittingham on the on the Coaches Show here
Speaker 4: in about forty five minutes or so. I'm sure he'll
Speaker 4: touch on that if it's season ending. Sometimes he is
Speaker 4: one that will, you know, talk about it only in
Speaker 4: that circumstance. I wouldn't be surprised if because it's the quarterback,
Speaker 4: he decides to play at koy up until Saturday. But
Speaker 4: what I did see and what I can confirm, is
Speaker 4: that I saw Brandon banged up after the game. He
Speaker 4: was walking off the field hurt. He went over to
Speaker 4: the medical staff as he left the field the final
Speaker 4: time on the game versus b Yu. And you know,
Speaker 4: whether that is something that's going to keep him out
Speaker 4: for multiple weeks or the remainder of the year, I'm
Speaker 4: sure we'll find out in the next couple of days.
Speaker 4: But yeah, man, it's just a continuation of a situation
Speaker 4: where you like to pin it on you know, non
Speaker 4: contact stuff, bad luck, real bad injury bug. But at
Speaker 4: a at a certain level, Spence, you gotta start examining
Speaker 4: other things. And I think this Utah football team is
Speaker 4: probably be on that point.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean five straight l's. You can't put it
Speaker 1: on one position.
Speaker 2: We've tried to be as reductive and fair as possible
Speaker 2: to talk about the health of Cameron who or whoever
Speaker 2: else is under center.
Speaker 1: My guess is if Brandon's hurt, it'll be Isaac.
Speaker 2: But rumors about Isaac's risk too, and so maybe we
Speaker 2: see my guy, the Ferrari, Luke Batari under center like
Speaker 2: he was against Colorado a year ago. The Chicago Bears
Speaker 2: fired Shane Waldron today their offensive coordinator Caleb Williams twenty
Speaker 2: ninth in QBR in Pro football, which of course is
Speaker 2: not good enough. And if you woke up with an
Speaker 2: extra pep in your staff this morning, like I did
Speaker 2: you know that it's time for the NBA Cup?
Speaker 1: That's right, it's here. Did you even know? Did you
Speaker 1: even have any idea?
Speaker 2: Turner Sports has a pretty interesting doubleheader tonight. If you're
Speaker 2: not going to the Jazz game. I'm gonna head down
Speaker 2: and see the Suns and the Jazz. No Kevin Durant
Speaker 2: tonight for the Suns. Looks like Keante George is expected
Speaker 2: to play for the Jazz, but Walker Kessler is out
Speaker 2: seven o'clock at the Delta Center. The Knicks and the
Speaker 2: Sixers are about to tip off from the Wells Fargo
Speaker 2: Center in Philly, and then Klay Thompson is back at
Speaker 2: the Chase Center in the Bay Area to play the
Speaker 2: Golden State Warriors team he won four rings with with
Speaker 2: Stephen Curry and Draymond Green and Steve Kerr and company.
Speaker 1: So the MAVs and the.
Speaker 2: Warriors tonight on Turner as well, but the NBA League Cup,
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Speaker 2: Busy night of NBA hoops. Is the NBA League Cup
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Speaker 2: Get a head on down to the arena on this
Speaker 2: really cold chili yet clear now kind of clouds.
Speaker 1: No rain, no snow, Tuesday evening, so come on down there.
Speaker 2: Obviously when it is football season, kind of waiting for
Speaker 2: Thursday to get rolling. So you get pro football back
Speaker 2: for a little week eleven, which is crazy to think about,
Speaker 2: but fun show today.
Speaker 1: Lot going on.
Speaker 2: Certainly you can hear the Coach Wit Coaches Show, Kyle
Speaker 2: Whittingham Coach Show coming up on the other side, and then.
Speaker 1: Utah Men's basketball taking on Queens.
Speaker 2: Queen's doing the I think I'm supposed to say, Queen
Speaker 2: stand up Queen's Bridge. We're on our test stand up.
Speaker 2: Queen's doing the in state tour there in Salt Lake
Speaker 2: today and improv of tomorrow. I gotta say, man, it
Speaker 2: feels like Bill just decided to give Sean the coach
Speaker 2: a show this week. Bill has to call the men's
Speaker 2: game tonight. Okay, so that's what's happening. But when Sean
Speaker 2: Tolby he was filling in for Riles tonight on the
Speaker 2: Coach Wit Coaches Show. It seemed like a very convenient
Speaker 2: week for Bill not to have to deal with what
Speaker 2: could be a very.
Speaker 1: Tired, frustrated in his fields. As the kids would say,
Speaker 1: coach Wit.
Speaker 4: Right, Kyle is a, let's be clear, very good to
Speaker 4: us as far as the media goes, the you know,
Speaker 4: the the interviews, all of the above. But I don't
Speaker 4: necessarily know that even though he's good to us, he
Speaker 4: enjoys that part of the gig. You know, it's it's
Speaker 4: part of it. You get paid handsomely to do it.
Speaker 4: He understands and is a pro about it. But let's
Speaker 4: just say that if Kyle had his brothers, he would
Speaker 4: not be doing a coaches show tonight, right, Nor would
Speaker 4: he be doing one last week or the week before
Speaker 4: next week, or you know, that's just that's just kind
Speaker 4: of the them o there. So yeah, after a loss
Speaker 4: like that, and after the media circus around the loss afterwards,
Speaker 4: probably not the ideal thing for for Kyle be doing
Speaker 4: on a Tuesday night. But again, he'll come do the
Speaker 4: work and do the job and and of course get
Speaker 4: to get us ready for Colorado on a early Saturday.
Speaker 2: Morning, so you'll hear coach Witch, Sean O'Connell and for
Speaker 2: Rile smith Snowden, some other players are gonna be joining
Speaker 2: the Kyle Whningham Coaches Show. Then after that men's basketball
Speaker 2: taking on Queens. All right, Porter, before we get out
Speaker 2: of here, what comes our way? On a Wednesday edition
Speaker 2: of the program.
Speaker 4: On a Wednesday edition of The Drive, halfway through the
Speaker 4: work week, spend Zach Harper stops by for the NBA
Speaker 4: Daily Assists. As you've been talking about the NBA Cup
Speaker 4: Big story of the week, man is here Neil Smith
Speaker 4: for behind the Glass segment. Of course, each and every
Speaker 4: week we chat with the former Stanley Cup winner on
Speaker 4: the latest with the Utah Hockey Club and the NHL
Speaker 4: Chris com Ronnie's actually going to join us in studio
Speaker 4: tomorrow because he is out of pocket later in the week,
Speaker 4: so we'll we'll wrap it up there and actually do
Speaker 4: some sports court on a Wednesday as well. We're kind
Speaker 4: of shuffling things around for a few schedules on this Wednesday.
Speaker 1: Adapter Diveporterer exactly.
Speaker 2: Adapter dies you do'll do that on a Wednesday show
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