Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Dan Ray. I'm tell you easy
Speaker 1: Boston Radio.
Speaker 2: This just then, this, just then, Trump's pulling out of
Speaker 2: New Hampshire. Sam Medler joining us. He is my friend,
Speaker 2: the freak from the left coast, the moderate from Hollywood,
Speaker 2: which makes him a reactionary in those hills. Sam Mettler,
Speaker 2: my friend. Thank you for joining us here on Night Side.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 2: Gary.
Speaker 3: I am punchier than Rob Nikovich tonight.
Speaker 2: Well that is terrific because we're gonna have a great show.
Speaker 2: We just you know, Chris Pauer. I do not Chris
Speaker 2: Pauer is was on the wire. He was on True Blood,
Speaker 2: played the He's great.
Speaker 3: Oh ya ya yea, yeah, yeah, yeah, yah yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: So you know, I'd love to have character actors on.
Speaker 2: We just had him on for an hour. He was great. Folks,
Speaker 2: listen if you're just joining us now, listen to the
Speaker 2: podcast tomorrow on the iHeartRadio app. By the way, we've
Speaker 2: got the Trump Harris Big debate coming up on September tenth,
Speaker 2: right here on WBC. You can hear it. It'll be
Speaker 2: from Philadelphia. You can also listen to it on the
Speaker 2: iHeartRadio app. So, Sammy, what do you think must see
Speaker 2: TV in the tenth how's it gonna be, Buddy, I
Speaker 2: cannot wait for that. I think it's gonna be It's
Speaker 2: gonna be great.
Speaker 3: Gary, I have to watch my language on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2: Hey, Rob, stand by stand by with uh with the
Speaker 2: with the the bleep button.
Speaker 3: It's gonna be No, I'm just gonna say the letter S.
Speaker 3: It's gonna be an S show.
Speaker 2: Of course it is.
Speaker 3: It's it's oh boy. These these are not two polished
Speaker 3: old school debaters. No, you know that you might see
Speaker 3: coming you know, out of Oxford or one of our
Speaker 3: own Ivy League schools. This these are are two very
Speaker 3: unpolished politicians.
Speaker 2: Absolutely. That's why it's gonna be great. It's gonna be
Speaker 2: its hell. That's what I opened I gotta tell you.
Speaker 2: I opened up the show saying, on one side, I
Speaker 2: cannot wait because it's gonna be like watching reality TV,
Speaker 2: it's like watching the Kardashians. On the other side, the
Speaker 2: mature Gary goes, oh a screwed.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, it's it's I'm not confident with either of
Speaker 4: these two, you know, holding the nuclear codes.
Speaker 3: Actually I'm more confident with Kamala holding the nuclear codes
Speaker 3: because I know she would never use them even if
Speaker 3: we were under nuclear attacking. I know, I mean, I
Speaker 3: I do not. I don't trust either these two with
Speaker 3: domestic or foreign policy. I think that somewhere in between
Speaker 3: we would have an excellent foreign policy. You know, Trump
Speaker 3: is far too isolationist, right doesn't believe in NATO, which
Speaker 3: is just foolish. You need friends in the world, gear
Speaker 3: you do, and and and then and and she is
Speaker 3: a waiverer. She, you know, in this CNN interview, she
Speaker 3: tries to have it both ways with saying, uh, you know,
Speaker 3: Israel has a right to defend itself, but on the
Speaker 3: other hand, the Palestinians have a right to be safe.
Speaker 3: And it's like what so who and how? I mean
Speaker 3: Biden does the same thing. I mean, they're very angry
Speaker 3: and ISRAELI is a very angry at net Yahoo too,
Speaker 3: I mean, because of the six kids that were just killed.
Speaker 2: Of course. I mean, but let's I want to stick
Speaker 2: to Harris for a minute. And no, no, that's okay,
Speaker 2: I mean that's I cry. I mean, I just it
Speaker 2: may it brings tears to your eyes whenever you know
Speaker 2: something you hear about another body. You more bodies being
Speaker 2: found as a result of what's happened in the Middle East.
Speaker 2: You bawl your eyes out, But you know, with Harris,
Speaker 2: you're right. Why isn't it okay to say I changed
Speaker 2: my mind, for example, with the sanctuary cities. Just so
Speaker 2: back in with the question with Databash, I think she
Speaker 2: asked about the sanctuary cities how she was for them,
Speaker 2: and then she says, well, I still maintain my position,
Speaker 2: but I feel this way. Why can't people say they
Speaker 2: changed their mind? What is wrong with that?
Speaker 3: It's so easy to say that I've evolved, you know,
Speaker 3: that was that was X amount of years ago.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 3: And my policy, my policy now is this, And no one,
Speaker 3: no one ever wants to be wrong. No one ever
Speaker 3: wants to admit that they, you know, have a different
Speaker 3: opinion that they than they used to have. I mean,
Speaker 3: it's it's actually, you look stronger when you admit that,
Speaker 3: you know what, after facing X amount of years and
Speaker 3: and the following moments in history, I've I've changed my mind,
Speaker 3: or I've grown, or I've you know, I'm in a
Speaker 3: different place now.
Speaker 2: I mean, Sammy, it's so simple because if you say
Speaker 2: I was a member of Congress and I didn't have
Speaker 2: a lot of experience, but after being in the White
Speaker 2: House for three and a half years, I have witnessed
Speaker 2: things and therefore I come to a different conclusion. That's
Speaker 2: all you have to say. You don't even have to
Speaker 2: admit you are wrong. You just say, look, I have
Speaker 2: a different viewpoint based on my recent an experience. That's it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you don't have to you don't have to go
Speaker 3: that far. You can say my policy, my policy is this, right.
Speaker 3: I mean you can go back years and and and
Speaker 3: look at what I've said, right, but this is what
Speaker 3: I'm saying right now.
Speaker 2: Right, There's no doubt. There's no doubt. And here's my
Speaker 2: Trump's greatest strength is her weakness, and her strength is
Speaker 2: his weakness, because if you look at the fact checking him.
Speaker 2: You know, with the CNN interview, there was a couple
Speaker 2: of things like maybe she was borderline on this or that,
Speaker 2: but she was pretty much in the ballpark on everything.
Speaker 2: But it was uh, it was lack of eye contact,
Speaker 2: it was wavering. And then you have Trump that comes
Speaker 2: out and says, yes, the Earth is flat and made
Speaker 2: of cheese, you know. I mean it's it's like if
Speaker 2: she could say things as emphatically as he does, she'd
Speaker 2: be in much better shape.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you've you've heard this, but a
Speaker 3: president should make a declarative statement. Yes, I do. I agree,
Speaker 3: And she is an armor and and I have have tried,
Speaker 3: because I'm an omor from way back. It's okay to
Speaker 3: pause in the middle of a sentence, but when you
Speaker 3: it looks like you're grasping for anything.
Speaker 2: Mm hm.
Speaker 3: And she, by the way, she kind of is grasping
Speaker 3: for anything because she is not very good extemporaneously. Donald Donald,
Speaker 3: excuse me, the former president, because I don't know. I'm
Speaker 3: in a thing I shouldn't. I shouldn't come him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you hang out with aviator.
Speaker 3: Yeah that's right.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, you know Bill shadd what else
Speaker 2: is in.
Speaker 3: And oh yeah, I Donald and I were at the
Speaker 3: same hair transplant doctor in the waiting room. Yes, he
Speaker 3: was reading Highlights magazine and I was engaged in people
Speaker 3: there you go, yeah, you know, he says things, and
Speaker 3: he says them in a very forceful, declarative way, and
Speaker 3: people who don't care to really go into the details go,
Speaker 3: you know what, God bless him. And then there's you
Speaker 3: have to look at what's actually coming out of the mouth,
Speaker 3: and a lot of it's awful, some of it is
Speaker 3: true when and when it's broad right, because he's not
Speaker 3: a policy guy. Right. He doesn't speak in specifics, neither
Speaker 3: of them do. You're not going to hear many specifics
Speaker 3: in this debate, Gary, You're gonna hear generalities. Question well,
Speaker 3: and I think they're going to talk more about the
Speaker 3: other than they will talk about themselves.
Speaker 2: Ought to be mud slinging, there's no question. And I
Speaker 2: think she'll be very good at it.
Speaker 3: Do you think she'll be very good?
Speaker 2: I do because and you know something, And I'm gonna
Speaker 2: tell you why, Sam. Okay, I'm going to tell you.
Speaker 2: We're gonna take a break, and I am going to
Speaker 2: tell you why I think she'll be good at slinging
Speaker 2: the mud and why the Democrats want all the mics
Speaker 2: to be on all the time. That's next on WBZ.
Speaker 1: Now back to Dan Ray Live from the Window World
Speaker 1: night Side Studios on WBZ News.
Speaker 2: Radio, Gary Tagway for Dan rag toon I. Sam Methler
Speaker 2: is our guest political analyst, Hollywood producer.
Speaker 3: Moderate and my I'm on the edge of my seat
Speaker 3: waiting for your reply.
Speaker 2: You know what sucks. When you get older, you give
Speaker 2: a tas three minutes ago and then you try to
Speaker 2: remember what it was. No, here's my thing is when
Speaker 2: I've seen Kamala speak when and she did it at
Speaker 2: the convention, and I understand she has a teleprompter and
Speaker 2: so forth, when she gets pissed and she doesn't think
Speaker 2: she's fine, and that's what she did as an attorney,
Speaker 2: That's what she did as a DA You get up
Speaker 2: and you go right now. So she gets on a
Speaker 2: roll against Trump. She's not gonna try to be nice
Speaker 2: like Hillary did. Hillary's problem is she was smiling and
Speaker 2: she was trying to be nice and it just didn't work.
Speaker 2: If Kamala gets pissed during this debate, it's gonna work
Speaker 2: for her. And I think that's that when she tries
Speaker 2: to think and try to be too articulate and get
Speaker 2: everything correct, it screws her up. She's just gotta go
Speaker 2: and if you get something wrong, you get something wrong.
Speaker 2: That's that's the Tagla take on that.
Speaker 3: I disagree entirely because, Okay, because I have watched I
Speaker 3: have watched the Madame Vice President speak in interviews, her
Speaker 3: extemporaneous where she doesn't have the questions ahead of time.
Speaker 2: And in the gase passionate.
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, she's she's got trouble with ex temporaneous speaking.
Speaker 3: And it's not I mean, she's an eloquent woman, right,
Speaker 3: I mean she can speak well. She gets tongue tied,
Speaker 3: she gets anxious. She looks for not the right words,
Speaker 3: but the right policy, or to say something and say
Speaker 3: nothing at the same time.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 3: Trump doesn't care if it's a lie. Right, he doesn't
Speaker 3: care what he says, right, he just says it. She
Speaker 3: cares about what she says. She's a careful person even
Speaker 3: and she'll have a couple of cand lines that she'll
Speaker 3: you know, repeat over and over again. Kalm a jerk,
Speaker 3: Colom a jerk. You know, she'll she'll be up there,
Speaker 3: you know, the podium, repeating back all the things that
Speaker 3: she has to that she has to say about them.
Speaker 3: But you know, if she doesn't know the questions ahead
Speaker 3: of time, she has a big problem. You know, they
Speaker 3: both have big problems, right, because she doesn't have a
Speaker 3: record to run on, right, she has Biden's record. She
Speaker 3: has Biden's record to run on. And people are not
Speaker 3: happy with Biden. They're not happy with inflation, they're not
Speaker 3: happy with foreign policy. Whether by the way, both people
Speaker 3: who are pro Israel both and people who are pro
Speaker 3: Palestinian are unhappy with Biden both. Biden has one of
Speaker 3: the lowest approval ratings of any president, although now his
Speaker 3: approved rating is decent because he dropped out.
Speaker 2: But she Sam, let me ask you. I want to
Speaker 2: hold you there. But on the Israel thing, how do
Speaker 2: you win in that situation?
Speaker 3: Oh? My god, you don't.
Speaker 2: That's it. I mean, that's when you say when you
Speaker 2: don't the Palestinians the israel Is, I mean, how do
Speaker 2: you win? You know, because you side and you want
Speaker 2: to have peace.
Speaker 3: Gary, I don't know what they could do with with
Speaker 3: playing to both sides without looking to play both sides.
Speaker 3: They're doing a lousy job of it. Whereas and they
Speaker 3: have to keep and this is you know, this is
Speaker 3: how you play it, Gary, You play it truthfully right
Speaker 3: the palace. There are many Palestinians who are victims, and
Speaker 3: they're victims of Hamas, right, And Hamas is a terror organization, right,
Speaker 3: And so you can you can absolutely uh say, uh net,
Speaker 3: Yahoo is not doing enough to get the agreement done.
Speaker 3: But you have to talk about Hamas and how disgusting
Speaker 3: they are, right, I mean they just killed You know,
Speaker 3: Israel doesn't try to kill civilians. Civilians are killed in combat,
Speaker 3: right and quite the contrary, Hamas goes for civilians. And
Speaker 3: that's I think that's the only way you can play it,
Speaker 3: you know, blame it all on net Yahoo, blame more
Speaker 3: on Hamas.
Speaker 2: And butt Yahoo and they point to the elections. Is
Speaker 2: not going to change his mind.
Speaker 3: No, I mean you just have to move on. I
Speaker 3: mean you also have to say, it's very difficult for
Speaker 3: an outside country to tell another country what to do,
Speaker 3: how to conduct a war. It's also difficult to say
Speaker 3: no to an ally that's important to us, as any
Speaker 3: of the NATO allies. And so I just don't. I
Speaker 3: think we can't. We can't legislate what happens in someone
Speaker 3: else's country. I mean, we can just keep ongoing by
Speaker 3: providing support for any kind of peace.
Speaker 2: But do you see do you think then, to continue
Speaker 2: on your thought about how some of Biden's problems she inherited,
Speaker 2: or the reputation of Biden she inherited, can she differentiate
Speaker 2: herself enough.
Speaker 3: When no, when she says that she was the last
Speaker 3: person in the room, right, for decisions being made. It's
Speaker 3: awful hard to run from that record, right, And I
Speaker 3: think that she has to has to have to do
Speaker 3: something to say I'm not him. And when I say him,
Speaker 3: I'm not talking about Trump.
Speaker 2: I'm talking about that.
Speaker 3: There's no question, right because you can, like, I mean
Speaker 3: all everything that I guarantee you, most of what she's
Speaker 3: going to say is she's not him, and most of
Speaker 3: what he's going to say is I'm not her.
Speaker 2: Well, that's what politics has become. Though.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's terrible people.
Speaker 2: It's not why you should vote for me, it's why
Speaker 2: you should not vote for them.
Speaker 3: Well, I would say that was the case in the
Speaker 3: last election, no doubt. But Trump had a message in.
Speaker 2: Sixteen, make America great again.
Speaker 3: He sees me in twenty and no, no in sixteen, right, right,
Speaker 3: and uh and and the border and et cetera, right
Speaker 3: and and uh uh uh the economy right, So he's
Speaker 3: he's got to say because the numbers were better in
Speaker 3: the economy, so he can absolutely say I'm going to
Speaker 3: go back to We're gonna We're going to go back
Speaker 3: to the economy we had before Biden was in office,
Speaker 3: and she before Kama was in office. Correct, Right, that's
Speaker 3: what he has to do. But he can't just do that.
Speaker 3: He has to you know, call her names because he's
Speaker 3: a child.
Speaker 2: But right, well, you're right. I mean he if he
Speaker 2: had followed the playbook, he will have had back to
Speaker 2: back turns.
Speaker 3: Uh. Yeah, all you have to do is shut up.
Speaker 2: And follow the playbook. Just listen to presidential. Yeah, just
Speaker 2: be Sam, thank you, be presidential. You've never said anything
Speaker 2: more intelligent, my friend. But be presidential. It's so true.
Speaker 2: Just be presidential.
Speaker 3: And he started off, he started off in his inaugural
Speaker 3: speech being unpresidential. Right, everyone thought, oh, he's elected, he's
Speaker 3: going to become presidential.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, No. And then you have Arlington, the whole
Speaker 2: Arlington Cemetery, and the list goes on and on and
Speaker 2: on and on.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean Arlington, Arlington, I'm I am, I am
Speaker 3: some Well, because I'm I'm very moderate, I have mixed
Speaker 3: feelings about Arlington. Uh you know what those family I understand.
Speaker 3: Now you know what you know what they think is Biden,
Speaker 3: right and Harris. The families, they can't stand them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the families mean for people. Just to be clear,
Speaker 2: The most recent issue is Trump was at a grave site.
Speaker 2: Of a fallen soldier. The family requested he be there
Speaker 2: and take pictures, which he was. He was helping out
Speaker 2: the family. He was appeasing the family.
Speaker 3: So well, I will say it's a politically it was
Speaker 3: a political move, but he had permission from the family.
Speaker 2: It's what he is the point. So you're saying there's
Speaker 2: a gray area there. I agree. I didn't think that
Speaker 2: was egregious as calling a dead soldier a loser. Yeah, Okay,
Speaker 2: that's that's the one where I'm like, okay, I mean.
Speaker 3: That's just terrible, awful, disgusting, terrible. Yeah. But you know,
Speaker 3: Biden looked at his watch the entire time that these
Speaker 3: people had when the bodies were brought back and he
Speaker 3: met with the gold Star families I'm a tarmac and
Speaker 3: looked at his watch multiple times and then lied about it.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's pretty horrendous.
Speaker 2: That's bad too, absolutely all right, Sam, So, I mean no,
Speaker 2: I was going to say, but does any of this
Speaker 2: mean that Kamala may not be a good president or
Speaker 2: that Trump may not be a good president? And that's
Speaker 2: what we're going to discuss coming up next to WBZ.
Speaker 2: Sam Medler is our guest.
Speaker 1: It's night side with Dan Ray on wb Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2: Welcome back Gary Taguin for day tonight. Sam Medler joining
Speaker 2: us here, the moderate from the West Coast, political analyst,
Speaker 2: Hollywood producer, friend of Gary. That's all you need to
Speaker 2: be tuckics of politics right here. And the reason we
Speaker 2: have Sam hon is because I think he is one
Speaker 2: of the most objective people when it comes to talking
Speaker 2: politics and looking at both situations. So Sam, as I
Speaker 2: mentioned before the break, yep, just because Harris has had
Speaker 2: the track record that she has, does that mean she'll
Speaker 2: be a bad president.
Speaker 3: No, it doesn't, but you will be.
Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, why.
Speaker 3: Don't bring this up?
Speaker 2: Let me, let me, let me just I'll give you,
Speaker 2: give you time to chew on it. Because last night
Speaker 2: we we had a presidential historian on and we talked
Speaker 2: about presidents who everybody thought basically were going to suck.
Speaker 3: And they didn't, right, like Hoover. I'm not Hoover Truman.
Speaker 3: Did he talk about Truman?
Speaker 2: Talked about Truman, Yes, of course, yeah, Truman, Yeah, yeah, no,
Speaker 2: And then he went on to mention a lot of
Speaker 2: presidents from the eighteen hundreds that I had never even
Speaker 2: heard of. But that's another story. But but this was Lincoln.
Speaker 3: Lincoln was another one. People thought he was a stiff.
Speaker 2: Well, but here's here's the thing. When it comes to this,
Speaker 2: you need to have a moment. You know, Eisenhower had
Speaker 2: a moment during the war. He didn't really have a
Speaker 2: moment when he was there as president. You know, things
Speaker 2: were going great. So Lincoln had a mom.
Speaker 3: What Gary, you were You were absolutely correct. Legacies are
Speaker 3: built on adversity, right, And frankly, I don't want to
Speaker 3: have I'd rather have a boring president and not have
Speaker 3: trouble that the president has to pull us out of,
Speaker 3: you know, after you know, look at nine to eleven, right,
Speaker 3: I mean, if Bush hadn't gone into Iraq, and I
Speaker 3: mean w not not to God rest his soul, Herbert
Speaker 3: Walker Bush, but if Bush hadn't gone into Iraq, he
Speaker 3: would have finished off as a president with a legacy
Speaker 3: of I'll say a certain amount of heroism, right, because
Speaker 3: immediately after that tragedy he was spectacular, by the way,
Speaker 3: as was Rudy Giuliani. If Rudy Giuliani had had, you know,
Speaker 3: walked into the sunset after nine to eleven, he would
Speaker 3: be remembered as the greatest mayor of all time.
Speaker 2: I think about that often every time something comes up
Speaker 2: about Giuliani and Chargers and not having money and this
Speaker 2: and that, I go, what happened to this guy? He
Speaker 2: was the hero? Yeah, now he's crazy?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, oh yeah. And you know, listen, there were
Speaker 3: hints of it, There were hints of it prior.
Speaker 2: But he had in the moment like that, you know,
Speaker 2: and w had the moment.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, But you take.
Speaker 2: A look at presidents and are they are if they
Speaker 2: listened to their advisors, if they do their job, handled
Speaker 2: the role. Could she be successful?
Speaker 3: Could she?
Speaker 4: Sure? Do?
Speaker 3: I think that she's got it? No? And I only
Speaker 3: base that on how she's been as vice president?
Speaker 2: Sam with vice president? Yeah, did you know that?
Speaker 3: George?
Speaker 2: How about George Bush, the Herbert Walker? Did you did
Speaker 2: his vice presidency tell you he was going to be
Speaker 2: as a president?
Speaker 3: His demeanor did?
Speaker 2: Okay, I got you?
Speaker 3: But but but but but she no, he was just
Speaker 3: you know, Bush is a true moderate and and and
Speaker 3: a lovely human being, but not like the strong strong
Speaker 3: and and and when he said no new taxes that
Speaker 3: really sunk him. But but uh kama, madam, Vice President.
Speaker 3: I keep calling them by their first names, and that terrible.
Speaker 3: At least I do it to both, So I'm not sexist,
Speaker 3: but she uh has had the most turnover, I believe
Speaker 3: of any vice president and record staff turnover.
Speaker 2: I didn't know that.
Speaker 5: Okay, that's interesting, and that it just says a lot
Speaker 5: as an executive or as the chief executive of her office,
Speaker 5: to lose.
Speaker 3: That many people, and most of it, if not all,
Speaker 3: of it was due to her not doing the very
Speaker 3: basic stuff in terms of reading, her prep right, being
Speaker 3: prepared for interviews, not taking responsibility. And so yeah, I mean,
Speaker 3: so do I look at that, and that gets me concerned.
Speaker 3: You know, you look, you look at a guy like
Speaker 3: Bill Clinton, right aside from his dalliances, he was a
Speaker 3: chief executive before, right, he was a governor. Most governors
Speaker 3: make good Most governors make better presidents because they've already
Speaker 3: been and mayors.
Speaker 2: R they've run an organization, agreed, the.
Speaker 3: Chief executive she is not. And you sort of can
Speaker 3: tell in the way she's.
Speaker 2: You know, that's a very good point, Sam, I mean
Speaker 2: it's not. You sort of can tell, as you put
Speaker 2: it that way, You can tell, right, yeah, right, she's been.
Speaker 2: She she's been a co star, not a star. Yeah,
Speaker 2: she's a coast star, not a star. You know. And
Speaker 2: then you know, even when you look at like the
Speaker 2: governor from Philadelphia, from Pennsylvania, when he speaks, that guy's
Speaker 2: a star and he's a governor. Yeah, you know, and
Speaker 2: he's just so okay about Trump. Is there anything that
Speaker 2: would lead you to believe that if Trump selected, things
Speaker 2: would be better this time around? And COVID decide he
Speaker 2: had no control over that. He said some stupid things,
Speaker 2: but take the pandemic out of the equation because he
Speaker 2: didn't have any control over that.
Speaker 3: Oh he wants shame on you. Fool me twice, shame
Speaker 3: on me, fool me one hundred times. I need to
Speaker 3: be put in an institution. No, there's nothing that you
Speaker 3: can say to make me think that he's going to
Speaker 3: be presidential.
Speaker 2: Ever, how about good enough? How about that? How about
Speaker 2: better than Kamala? How about better than Vice President Harris?
Speaker 3: I think as a chief executive he could be better,
Speaker 3: but as a human being, he's not better. And the
Speaker 3: media hates him, and so there is this there is
Speaker 3: this anger, and there is this divisiveness, and both share blame.
Speaker 3: He shares more because as the president he needed to
Speaker 3: be a bigger person and that divide is not going
Speaker 3: to come from him nor from the media. This is
Speaker 3: what I think is Kamala's most most important role and
Speaker 3: most important job I should say in this debate is
Speaker 3: to convince people that she is everyone's president, that she
Speaker 3: is moderate enough that the most important things you care about,
Speaker 3: she's got you. And that is tough because of what's
Speaker 3: going on in the economy, especially right and people listen,
Speaker 3: the groceries are expensive, gas is expensive. But she's got
Speaker 3: to find a way. And I don't exactly know what
Speaker 3: that is, right, And it's not I'm going to end
Speaker 3: price gadging because that's not the real I mean, it's
Speaker 3: it's like communism, and it's not the reason why everything
Speaker 3: is up.
Speaker 2: When she said that, I squirmed. What about if interest
Speaker 2: rates come down? Part of the election?
Speaker 3: Oh, that's I mean, that is interest rates huge deal.
Speaker 3: People can't buy houses. I mean, the thing is and
Speaker 3: I know Nicholas Christoph had an excellent opinion article on
Speaker 3: the thirty first in The Times New York Times, right,
Speaker 3: which was Saturday, and he quoted Bill Clinton and Bill
Speaker 3: Clinton learned something that his wife Hillary never learned, right,
Speaker 3: and it was that you can demean Trump, but don't
Speaker 3: demean his voters, right right. You know he said this
Speaker 3: in the in the DNC convention Clinton, you know, and
Speaker 3: God bless him. He's the last president to reach across
Speaker 3: party lines. He said, I urge you not to demean them,
Speaker 3: meaning people that Trump supporters, not to pretend you don't
Speaker 3: disagree with them if you do, but treat them with respect.
Speaker 3: And Kamala can't sound two oh my friends. Yes, my
Speaker 3: friends used to call it fiddy what fiditti, which is
Speaker 3: high falutin in other in other vernacular. Yes, yes, she
Speaker 3: can't sound. She can't sound like an elitist. And she
Speaker 3: has to understand why people vote for him and tell
Speaker 3: them I get why you vote for him, right because
Speaker 3: you think that he is going to do X, Y
Speaker 3: and Z, right, but he's not. And I am, and
Speaker 3: this is how I'm going to do it.
Speaker 2: She's really trying to go for the middle class. Obviously,
Speaker 2: a tax break for new parents four million, four hundred
Speaker 2: thousand for a child. Do you think that's going to translate?
Speaker 3: She keeps saying tax breaks, which is something that Democrats
Speaker 3: don't like to talk about.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you're saying that she should continue that. I mean,
Speaker 2: that's what she talked about, absolutely, right.
Speaker 3: I mean, the only way the government can really help
Speaker 3: people is by letting them keep their own money.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, uh.
Speaker 3: And and and and then maybe that they have more
Speaker 3: money to pay for the groceries that are too high,
Speaker 3: and maybe things will come to competition, breeds, lower prices,
Speaker 3: price controls, don't. I mean, listen, Trump is not conservative
Speaker 3: at all, right, tariffs. No conservative believes in tariffs.
Speaker 2: Right right, right, right, right right right.
Speaker 3: And Trump's and no conservative has ever been as isolationist
Speaker 3: as Donald Trump.
Speaker 2: True. Do you think Trump's wavering on abortion and sending
Speaker 2: it to the state wavering? We're not wavering, but no,
Speaker 2: But I I mean because some people want like a
Speaker 2: ban across the board, and he says, no, leave it
Speaker 2: to the states.
Speaker 3: If you don't think Trump has paid for an abortion
Speaker 3: or two in your time, I mean, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Right,
Speaker 3: I'll get letters, send them to me.
Speaker 2: Will forward into your buddy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he he does not. He is not a
Speaker 3: pro life guy. He's not a conservative.
Speaker 2: He's not He's no, he's not a conservative. You're right,
Speaker 2: I mean, you're right. I mean he is business wise.
Speaker 2: He wants tax breaks for the rich.
Speaker 3: But you know, right, right, But he's not a social conservative.
Speaker 2: Oh god no.
Speaker 3: And and and he will do whatever he can to
Speaker 3: stay off of the abortion stuff because it is his
Speaker 3: Supreme Court that overturned Roe v.
Speaker 2: Wade.
Speaker 3: And it's it's he's just kind of keep saying, it's
Speaker 3: the States, it's the States, it's the states. I'm not
Speaker 3: for a national band. It's for the states to say.
Speaker 3: And the Republicans have gotten too far because true conservatives
Speaker 3: really don't believe in getting in people's personal lives. Right,
Speaker 3: But there's there's a lot of religion in republics.
Speaker 2: They have to handle the religious right, and that's that's
Speaker 2: where they have to appease that. And and there's no
Speaker 2: doubt about that. Sam, I'm gonna wrap things up. I
Speaker 2: want to talk about the rules coming up for the debate.
Speaker 2: And also we have a touched on the border, and
Speaker 2: I have an opinion on that. Sam Metler, the moderate
Speaker 2: from Hollywood, continues after this in WBZ.
Speaker 1: Now back to Dan ray Mine from the Window World
Speaker 1: night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2: Political analysts Sam Medler joining us, also Hollywood producer in
Speaker 2: Front of Gary back here on night Side. We're going
Speaker 2: to take calls coming up at eleven o'clock after the
Speaker 2: eleven o'clock news. I want to know what you think
Speaker 2: of the debate rules and how it should be run,
Speaker 2: and Sam and I are going to talk about that
Speaker 2: and also get to the border here too. But from
Speaker 2: what I understand and what I've read in regard to
Speaker 2: the ABC debate that's coming up on the tenth, Sam,
Speaker 2: the Harris camp wants unmuted mics, you know, open season.
Speaker 2: The Trump camp wants the muted mics and wants a
Speaker 2: little more decorum because they want to protect their guy
Speaker 2: from himself. You need a studio audience, I mean the CNN.
Speaker 2: You need a studio audience. Come on. And I'm okay
Speaker 2: that they don't have to you know, they don't have
Speaker 2: to talk to people in breaks that they have to.
Speaker 2: You know, they have to be big, you know, they
Speaker 2: have to be grown ups and do this thing on
Speaker 2: their own. But I want a studio audience, and I
Speaker 2: want unmuted mics. What do you think.
Speaker 3: I want unmuted mikes? Absolutely right now she has uh
Speaker 3: said they will keep their mics muted, but uh, you
Speaker 3: know that could change, but I don't think it will
Speaker 3: because I think that the you know, ABC wants to
Speaker 3: control things and not have them get into shining fights
Speaker 3: and and you know, have the debate taken up with
Speaker 3: with you know, childish crap.
Speaker 2: Well, we can't trust them, I guess is what we're saying.
Speaker 2: We can't. Well, we can't trust him, we can't trust him,
Speaker 2: you can't trust him.
Speaker 3: But you know, I think she would still do this,
Speaker 3: you know, I think.
Speaker 2: Would Jabs.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she would try to bait him totally if if
Speaker 3: she if she, I mean, the smart thing is to
Speaker 3: try to bait him by the way, uh and and
Speaker 3: and yeah, and and just let him look silly grasping.
Speaker 3: I don't know if she has that in her. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't know if she does.
Speaker 2: Dude, I think she can. I think she. I think
Speaker 2: she can. I think she can play Gabber a little bit.
Speaker 3: Telca Gabbert tore her apart, I know, and uh, Donald
Speaker 3: Trump is note Telca Gabbert.
Speaker 2: She could learn from that, though I don't know. I
Speaker 2: think she has to. Quite frankly, I think her supporters
Speaker 2: expect her to do it and to get somebody. And
Speaker 2: I don't even know Sam I mean, does let me
Speaker 2: ask you this, does the debate matter as far as
Speaker 2: the undecided? Are there any undecided?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 2: Really?
Speaker 3: Yes, this is a tough This is a tough election,
Speaker 3: especially if you are a person who is saying, I
Speaker 3: don't like either of these guys, but I can't afford
Speaker 3: done right right and and they're just a lot of
Speaker 3: people like that right now. And I think that that's
Speaker 3: not what the polls are showing. He's more trusted on
Speaker 3: the economy as much of the baggage. And I can listen,
Speaker 3: I can't. I can't take his baggage. It's awful. I'm
Speaker 3: not voting for him. I'm not voting for her either,
Speaker 3: by the way, But I mean he comes with a
Speaker 3: lot of emotional baggage, which she doesn't. But she has
Speaker 3: to convince people that she's going to bring this, you know,
Speaker 3: economy to where they even if she doesn't have the kind.
Speaker 2: Of power to do right. But I mean, if they
Speaker 2: lower interest rates, doesn't that help the economy?
Speaker 3: Hell yeah right, it's lower them.
Speaker 2: I mean, it doesn't really matter who the president is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I I I think that they
Speaker 3: have ABC has good debate moderators as well. I mean,
Speaker 3: I think I think you can I think you can
Speaker 3: trust well, I'll say David Yure especially, he is very
Speaker 3: very close to the VEST. He's not a guy that
Speaker 3: editorializes the news very much. I think Lindsey Davis, I think.
Speaker 2: A little bit. But what do you guys to the left?
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, yeah, I mean she I remember when she
Speaker 3: tried to tie Trump to the KKK. And it's just
Speaker 3: you know, listen, there's plenty to say about him in
Speaker 3: you know, his ill tempered racial talk. It doesn't matter
Speaker 3: what he's talking about, by the way, it could be
Speaker 3: wish people, could be black people, it could be Latino people.
Speaker 5: I mean, he he does discrimination exactly, but you know,
Speaker 5: he's not connected to the KKK.
Speaker 3: And uh, it's uh. I think she's a little a
Speaker 3: little left. But guess you know, guess what the ABC
Speaker 3: has George Stephanopolis, who should never be a debate moderator, right,
Speaker 3: I mean, he was Clinton's chief of staff. Do not
Speaker 3: all all of these people that are on the news
Speaker 3: now they're from political.
Speaker 2: They're all that's It's like the ex athlete. The ex
Speaker 2: athlete goes into the booth, the x politician goes behind
Speaker 2: the desk.
Speaker 3: Yes, the the ex athlete. You can tell, you know
Speaker 3: if if Poppy you know, is covering the series and
Speaker 3: the Socks are in it, you know he was rooting
Speaker 3: for the socks.
Speaker 2: The ramifications are not as bad, Sam, exactly. We gotta go, buddy.
Speaker 2: It's always great to talk to you. Thank you for
Speaker 2: the insight, thank you for the objectivity. Best of the fam,
Speaker 2: uh and with you and we will talk to you soon,
Speaker 2: my friend.
Speaker 3: Good night Boston.
Speaker 2: He is Sam Mettler. He is the moderate from Hollywood,
Speaker 2: the only one out there, and we love him here
Speaker 2: at WBZ. Your call is coming up next. How should
Speaker 2: the debate be run? What do you want to see?
Speaker 2: I'll let you know what the rules currently are, let
Speaker 2: me know what you think of them and should they
Speaker 2: be changed at six one seven, two thirty on wbz's
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