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<v Speaker 1>It's Night Side with Dan Ray. I'm tell you easy

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<v Speaker 2>This just then, this, just then, Trump's pulling out of

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<v Speaker 2>New Hampshire. Sam Medler joining us. He is my friend,

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<v Speaker 2>the freak from the left coast, the moderate from Hollywood,

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<v Speaker 2>which makes him a reactionary in those hills. Sam Mettler,

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<v Speaker 2>my friend. Thank you for joining us here on Night Side.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>Gary.

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<v Speaker 3>I am punchier than Rob Nikovich tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>Well that is terrific because we're gonna have a great show.

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<v Speaker 2>We just you know, Chris Pauer. I do not Chris

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<v Speaker 2>Pauer is was on the wire. He was on True Blood,

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<v Speaker 2>played the He's great.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh ya ya yea, yeah, yeah, yeah, yah yeah yeah yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know, I'd love to have character actors on.

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<v Speaker 2>We just had him on for an hour. He was great. Folks,

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<v Speaker 2>listen if you're just joining us now, listen to the

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<v Speaker 2>podcast tomorrow on the iHeartRadio app. By the way, we've

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<v Speaker 2>got the Trump Harris Big debate coming up on September tenth,

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<v Speaker 2>right here on WBC. You can hear it. It'll be

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<v Speaker 2>from Philadelphia. You can also listen to it on the

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<v Speaker 2>iHeartRadio app. So, Sammy, what do you think must see

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<v Speaker 2>TV in the tenth how's it gonna be, Buddy, I

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<v Speaker 2>cannot wait for that. I think it's gonna be It's

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<v Speaker 2>gonna be great.

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<v Speaker 3>Gary, I have to watch my language on iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, Rob, stand by stand by with uh with the

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<v Speaker 2>with the the bleep button.

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<v Speaker 3>It's gonna be No, I'm just gonna say the letter S.

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<v Speaker 3>It's gonna be an S show.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course it is.

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<v Speaker 3>It's it's oh boy. These these are not two polished

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<v Speaker 3>old school debaters. No, you know that you might see

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<v Speaker 3>coming you know, out of Oxford or one of our

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<v Speaker 3>own Ivy League schools. This these are are two very

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<v Speaker 3>unpolished politicians.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely. That's why it's gonna be great. It's gonna be

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<v Speaker 2>its hell. That's what I opened I gotta tell you.

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<v Speaker 2>I opened up the show saying, on one side, I

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<v Speaker 2>cannot wait because it's gonna be like watching reality TV,

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<v Speaker 2>it's like watching the Kardashians. On the other side, the

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<v Speaker 2>mature Gary goes, oh a screwed.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, yes, it's it's I'm not confident with either of

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<v Speaker 4>these two, you know, holding the nuclear codes.

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<v Speaker 3>Actually I'm more confident with Kamala holding the nuclear codes

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<v Speaker 3>because I know she would never use them even if

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<v Speaker 3>we were under nuclear attacking. I know, I mean, I

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<v Speaker 3>I do not. I don't trust either these two with

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<v Speaker 3>domestic or foreign policy. I think that somewhere in between

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<v Speaker 3>we would have an excellent foreign policy. You know, Trump

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<v Speaker 3>is far too isolationist, right doesn't believe in NATO, which

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<v Speaker 3>is just foolish. You need friends in the world, gear

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<v Speaker 3>you do, and and and then and and she is

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<v Speaker 3>a waiverer. She, you know, in this CNN interview, she

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<v Speaker 3>tries to have it both ways with saying, uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>Israel has a right to defend itself, but on the

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<v Speaker 3>other hand, the Palestinians have a right to be safe.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's like what so who and how? I mean

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<v Speaker 3>Biden does the same thing. I mean, they're very angry

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<v Speaker 3>and ISRAELI is a very angry at net Yahoo too,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, because of the six kids that were just killed.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course. I mean, but let's I want to stick

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<v Speaker 2>to Harris for a minute. And no, no, that's okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean that's I cry. I mean, I just it

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<v Speaker 2>may it brings tears to your eyes whenever you know

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<v Speaker 2>something you hear about another body. You more bodies being

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<v Speaker 2>found as a result of what's happened in the Middle East.

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<v Speaker 2>You bawl your eyes out, But you know, with Harris,

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<v Speaker 2>you're right. Why isn't it okay to say I changed

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<v Speaker 2>my mind, for example, with the sanctuary cities. Just so

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<v Speaker 2>back in with the question with Databash, I think she

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<v Speaker 2>asked about the sanctuary cities how she was for them,

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<v Speaker 2>and then she says, well, I still maintain my position,

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<v Speaker 2>but I feel this way. Why can't people say they

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<v Speaker 2>changed their mind? What is wrong with that?

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<v Speaker 3>It's so easy to say that I've evolved, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>that was that was X amount of years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 3>And my policy, my policy now is this, And no one,

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<v Speaker 3>no one ever wants to be wrong. No one ever

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<v Speaker 3>wants to admit that they, you know, have a different

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<v Speaker 3>opinion that they than they used to have. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>it's it's actually, you look stronger when you admit that,

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<v Speaker 3>and the following moments in history, I've I've changed my mind,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, Sammy, it's so simple because if you say

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<v Speaker 2>I was a member of Congress and I didn't have

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of experience, but after being in the White

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<v Speaker 2>House for three and a half years, I have witnessed

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<v Speaker 2>things and therefore I come to a different conclusion. That's

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<v Speaker 2>all you have to say. You don't even have to

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<v Speaker 2>admit you are wrong. You just say, look, I have

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<v Speaker 2>a different viewpoint based on my recent an experience. That's it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you don't have to you don't have to go

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<v Speaker 3>that far. You can say my policy, my policy is this, right.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean you can go back years and and and

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<v Speaker 3>look at what I've said, right, but this is what

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<v Speaker 3>I'm saying right now.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, There's no doubt. There's no doubt. And here's my

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<v Speaker 2>Trump's greatest strength is her weakness, and her strength is

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<v Speaker 2>his weakness, because if you look at the fact checking him.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, with the CNN interview, there was a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of things like maybe she was borderline on this or that,

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<v Speaker 2>but she was pretty much in the ballpark on everything.

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<v Speaker 2>But it was uh, it was lack of eye contact,

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<v Speaker 2>it was wavering. And then you have Trump that comes

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<v Speaker 2>out and says, yes, the Earth is flat and made

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<v Speaker 2>of cheese, you know. I mean it's it's like if

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<v Speaker 2>she could say things as emphatically as he does, she'd

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<v Speaker 2>be in much better shape.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know if you've you've heard this, but a

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<v Speaker 3>president should make a declarative statement. Yes, I do. I agree,

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<v Speaker 3>And she is an armor and and I have have tried,

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<v Speaker 3>because I'm an omor from way back. It's okay to

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<v Speaker 3>pause in the middle of a sentence, but when you

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<v Speaker 3>it looks like you're grasping for anything.

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<v Speaker 2>Mm hm.

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<v Speaker 3>And she, by the way, she kind of is grasping

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<v Speaker 3>for anything because she is not very good extemporaneously. Donald Donald,

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<v Speaker 3>excuse me, the former president, because I don't know. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>in a thing I shouldn't. I shouldn't come him.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, you hang out with aviator.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah that's right.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you know, you know Bill shadd what else

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<v Speaker 3>And oh yeah, I Donald and I were at the

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<v Speaker 3>same hair transplant doctor in the waiting room. Yes, he

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<v Speaker 3>was reading Highlights magazine and I was engaged in people

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<v Speaker 3>there you go, yeah, you know, he says things, and

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<v Speaker 3>he says them in a very forceful, declarative way, and

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<v Speaker 3>people who don't care to really go into the details go,

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<v Speaker 3>you know what, God bless him. And then there's you

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<v Speaker 3>have to look at what's actually coming out of the mouth,

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<v Speaker 3>and a lot of it's awful, some of it is

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<v Speaker 3>true when and when it's broad right, because he's not

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<v Speaker 3>a policy guy. Right. He doesn't speak in specifics, neither

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<v Speaker 3>of them do. You're not going to hear many specifics

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<v Speaker 3>in this debate, Gary, You're gonna hear generalities. Question well,

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<v Speaker 3>and I think they're going to talk more about the

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<v Speaker 3>other than they will talk about themselves.

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<v Speaker 2>Ought to be mud slinging, there's no question. And I

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<v Speaker 2>think she'll be very good at it.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you think she'll be very good?

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<v Speaker 2>I do because and you know something, And I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 2>tell you why, Sam. Okay, I'm going to tell you.

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<v Speaker 2>We're gonna take a break, and I am going to

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<v Speaker 2>tell you why I think she'll be good at slinging

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<v Speaker 2>the mud and why the Democrats want all the mics

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<v Speaker 2>to be on all the time. That's next on WBZ.

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<v Speaker 1>Now back to Dan Ray Live from the Window World

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<v Speaker 1>night Side Studios on WBZ News.

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<v Speaker 2>Radio, Gary Tagway for Dan rag toon I. Sam Methler

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<v Speaker 2>is our guest political analyst, Hollywood producer.

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<v Speaker 3>Moderate and my I'm on the edge of my seat

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<v Speaker 3>waiting for your reply.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what sucks. When you get older, you give

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<v Speaker 2>a tas three minutes ago and then you try to

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<v Speaker 2>remember what it was. No, here's my thing is when

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<v Speaker 2>I've seen Kamala speak when and she did it at

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<v Speaker 2>the convention, and I understand she has a teleprompter and

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<v Speaker 2>so forth, when she gets pissed and she doesn't think

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<v Speaker 2>she's fine, and that's what she did as an attorney,

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<v Speaker 2>That's what she did as a DA You get up

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<v Speaker 2>and you go right now. So she gets on a

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<v Speaker 2>roll against Trump. She's not gonna try to be nice

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<v Speaker 2>like Hillary did. Hillary's problem is she was smiling and

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<v Speaker 2>she was trying to be nice and it just didn't work.

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<v Speaker 2>If Kamala gets pissed during this debate, it's gonna work

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<v Speaker 2>for her. And I think that's that when she tries

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<v Speaker 2>to think and try to be too articulate and get

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<v Speaker 2>everything correct, it screws her up. She's just gotta go

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<v Speaker 2>and if you get something wrong, you get something wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>That's that's the Tagla take on that.

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<v Speaker 3>I disagree entirely because, Okay, because I have watched I

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<v Speaker 3>have watched the Madame Vice President speak in interviews, her

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<v Speaker 3>extemporaneous where she doesn't have the questions ahead of time.

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<v Speaker 2>And in the gase passionate.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, No, she's she's got trouble with ex temporaneous speaking.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's not I mean, she's an eloquent woman, right,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean she can speak well. She gets tongue tied,

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<v Speaker 3>she gets anxious. She looks for not the right words,

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<v Speaker 3>but the right policy, or to say something and say

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<v Speaker 3>nothing at the same time.

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<v Speaker 5>Right.

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<v Speaker 3>Trump doesn't care if it's a lie. Right, he doesn't

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<v Speaker 3>care what he says, right, he just says it. She

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<v Speaker 3>cares about what she says. She's a careful person even

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<v Speaker 3>and she'll have a couple of cand lines that she'll

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<v Speaker 3>you know, repeat over and over again. Kalm a jerk,

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<v Speaker 3>Colom a jerk. You know, she'll she'll be up there,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, the podium, repeating back all the things that

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<v Speaker 3>she has to that she has to say about them.

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<v Speaker 3>But you know, if she doesn't know the questions ahead

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<v Speaker 3>of time, she has a big problem. You know, they

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<v Speaker 3>both have big problems, right, because she doesn't have a

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<v Speaker 3>record to run on, right, she has Biden's record. She

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<v Speaker 3>has Biden's record to run on. And people are not

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<v Speaker 3>happy with Biden. They're not happy with inflation, they're not

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<v Speaker 3>happy with foreign policy. Whether by the way, both people

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<v Speaker 3>who are pro Israel both and people who are pro

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<v Speaker 3>Palestinian are unhappy with Biden both. Biden has one of

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<v Speaker 3>the lowest approval ratings of any president, although now his

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<v Speaker 3>approved rating is decent because he dropped out.

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<v Speaker 2>But she Sam, let me ask you. I want to

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<v Speaker 2>hold you there. But on the Israel thing, how do

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<v Speaker 2>you win in that situation?

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<v Speaker 3>Gary, I don't know what they could do with with

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<v Speaker 3>They're doing a lousy job of it. Whereas and they

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<v Speaker 3>the palace. There are many Palestinians who are victims, and

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<v Speaker 3>they're victims of Hamas, right, And Hamas is a terror organization, right,

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<v Speaker 3>And so you can you can absolutely uh say, uh net,

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<v Speaker 3>But you have to talk about Hamas and how disgusting

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<v Speaker 2>And butt Yahoo and they point to the elections. Is

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<v Speaker 3>No, I mean you just have to move on. I

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<v Speaker 3>mean you also have to say, it's very difficult for

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<v Speaker 2>But do you see do you think then, to continue

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<v Speaker 3>When no, when she says that she was the last

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<v Speaker 3>something to say I'm not him. And when I say him,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm talking about that.

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<v Speaker 3>There's no question, right because you can, like, I mean

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that's what politics has become. Though.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's terrible people.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not why you should vote for me, it's why

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<v Speaker 3>last election, no doubt. But Trump had a message in.

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<v Speaker 2>Sixteen, make America great again.

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<v Speaker 3>and she before Kama was in office. Correct, Right, that's

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<v Speaker 3>what he has to do. But he can't just do that.

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<v Speaker 2>But right, well, you're right. I mean he if he

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<v Speaker 3>Uh. Yeah, all you have to do is shut up.

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<v Speaker 2>And follow the playbook. Just listen to presidential. Yeah, just

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<v Speaker 2>be Sam, thank you, be presidential. You've never said anything

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<v Speaker 2>more intelligent, my friend. But be presidential. It's so true.

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<v Speaker 2>Just be presidential.

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<v Speaker 3>And he started off, he started off in his inaugural

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<v Speaker 3>speech being unpresidential. Right, everyone thought, oh, he's elected, he's

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<v Speaker 3>going to become presidential.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, right, No. And then you have Arlington, the whole

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<v Speaker 2>Arlington Cemetery, and the list goes on and on and

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I mean Arlington, Arlington, I'm I am, I am

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<v Speaker 3>some Well, because I'm I'm very moderate, I have mixed

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<v Speaker 3>feelings about Arlington. Uh you know what those family I understand.

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<v Speaker 3>Now you know what you know what they think is Biden,

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<v Speaker 3>right and Harris. The families, they can't stand them.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the families mean for people. Just to be clear,

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<v Speaker 2>The most recent issue is Trump was at a grave site.

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<v Speaker 2>Of a fallen soldier. The family requested he be there

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<v Speaker 2>and take pictures, which he was. He was helping out

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<v Speaker 3>a political move, but he had permission from the family.

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<v Speaker 2>It's what he is the point. So you're saying there's

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<v Speaker 2>a gray area there. I agree. I didn't think that

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<v Speaker 2>was egregious as calling a dead soldier a loser. Yeah, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>that's that's the one where I'm like, okay, I mean.

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<v Speaker 3>That's just terrible, awful, disgusting, terrible. Yeah. But you know,

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<v Speaker 3>Biden looked at his watch the entire time that these

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<v Speaker 3>people had when the bodies were brought back and he

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<v Speaker 3>met with the gold Star families I'm a tarmac and

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<v Speaker 3>looked at his watch multiple times and then lied about it.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, that's pretty horrendous.

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<v Speaker 2>That's bad too, absolutely all right, Sam, So, I mean no,

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<v Speaker 2>I was going to say, but does any of this

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<v Speaker 2>mean that Kamala may not be a good president or

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<v Speaker 2>what we're going to discuss coming up next to WBZ.

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<v Speaker 2>Sam Medler is our guest.

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<v Speaker 1>It's night side with Dan Ray on wb Boston's news radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back Gary Taguin for day tonight. Sam Medler joining

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<v Speaker 2>us here, the moderate from the West Coast, political analyst,

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<v Speaker 2>Hollywood producer, friend of Gary. That's all you need to

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<v Speaker 2>be tuckics of politics right here. And the reason we

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<v Speaker 2>have Sam hon is because I think he is one

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<v Speaker 2>of the most objective people when it comes to talking

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<v Speaker 2>politics and looking at both situations. So Sam, as I

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<v Speaker 2>mentioned before the break, yep, just because Harris has had

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<v Speaker 2>the track record that she has, does that mean she'll

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<v Speaker 2>be a bad president.

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<v Speaker 3>No, it doesn't, but you will be.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Okay, why.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't bring this up?

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<v Speaker 2>we we had a presidential historian on and we talked

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<v Speaker 2>about presidents who everybody thought basically were going to suck.

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<v Speaker 3>And they didn't, right, like Hoover. I'm not Hoover Truman.

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<v Speaker 2>Talked about Truman, Yes, of course, yeah, Truman, Yeah, yeah, no,

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<v Speaker 2>And then he went on to mention a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>heard of. But that's another story. But but this was Lincoln.

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<v Speaker 3>Lincoln was another one. People thought he was a stiff.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, but here's here's the thing. When it comes to this,

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<v Speaker 2>you need to have a moment. You know, Eisenhower had

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<v Speaker 2>a moment during the war. He didn't really have a

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<v Speaker 2>moment when he was there as president. You know, things

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<v Speaker 3>What Gary, you were You were absolutely correct. Legacies are

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<v Speaker 3>trouble that the president has to pull us out of,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, after you know, look at nine to eleven, right,

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<v Speaker 3>mean w not not to God rest his soul, Herbert

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<v Speaker 3>Walker Bush, but if Bush hadn't gone into Iraq, he

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<v Speaker 3>of I'll say a certain amount of heroism, right, because

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<v Speaker 3>immediately after that tragedy he was spectacular, by the way,

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<v Speaker 3>as was Rudy Giuliani. If Rudy Giuliani had had, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and that, I go, what happened to this guy? He

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<v Speaker 2>was the hero? Yeah, now he's crazy?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, oh yeah. And you know, listen, there were

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<v Speaker 2>But he had in the moment like that, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, yes, But you take.

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<v Speaker 2>A look at presidents and are they are if they

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<v Speaker 2>listened to their advisors, if they do their job, handled

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<v Speaker 2>the role. Could she be successful?

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<v Speaker 4>Sure? Do?

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<v Speaker 3>I think that she's got it? No? And I only

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<v Speaker 3>base that on how she's been as vice president?

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<v Speaker 2>Sam with vice president? Yeah, did you know that?

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<v Speaker 3>George?

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<v Speaker 2>How about George Bush, the Herbert Walker? Did you did

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<v Speaker 3>His demeanor did?

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<v Speaker 3>But but but but but she no, he was just

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<v Speaker 3>you know, Bush is a true moderate and and and

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<v Speaker 3>a lovely human being, but not like the strong strong

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<v Speaker 3>and and and when he said no new taxes that

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<v Speaker 3>really sunk him. But but uh kama, madam, Vice President.

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<v Speaker 3>I keep calling them by their first names, and that terrible.

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<v Speaker 3>At least I do it to both, So I'm not sexist,

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<v Speaker 3>but she uh has had the most turnover, I believe

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<v Speaker 3>of any vice president and record staff turnover.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't know that.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, that's interesting, and that it just says a lot

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<v Speaker 5>as an executive or as the chief executive of her office,

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<v Speaker 3>That many people, and most of it, if not all,

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<v Speaker 3>so do I look at that, and that gets me concerned.

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<v Speaker 3>chief executive before, right, he was a governor. Most governors

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<v Speaker 3>make good Most governors make better presidents because they've already

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<v Speaker 2>R they've run an organization, agreed, the.

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<v Speaker 3>Chief executive she is not. And you sort of can

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<v Speaker 2>You know, that's a very good point, Sam, I mean

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<v Speaker 2>it's not. You sort of can tell, as you put

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<v Speaker 2>it that way, You can tell, right, yeah, right, she's been.

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<v Speaker 2>She she's been a co star, not a star. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>she's a coast star, not a star. You know. And

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<v Speaker 2>would lead you to believe that if Trump selected, things

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<v Speaker 2>would be better this time around? And COVID decide he

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<v Speaker 2>had no control over that. He said some stupid things,

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<v Speaker 2>but take the pandemic out of the equation because he

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<v Speaker 2>didn't have any control over that.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh he wants shame on you. Fool me twice, shame

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<v Speaker 3>on me, fool me one hundred times. I need to

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<v Speaker 3>be put in an institution. No, there's nothing that you

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<v Speaker 3>can say to make me think that he's going to

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<v Speaker 3>be presidential.

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<v Speaker 2>Ever, how about good enough? How about that? How about

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<v Speaker 2>better than Kamala? How about better than Vice President Harris?

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<v Speaker 3>I think as a chief executive he could be better,

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<v Speaker 3>but as a human being, he's not better. And the

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<v Speaker 3>media hates him, and so there is this there is

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<v Speaker 3>this anger, and there is this divisiveness, and both share blame.

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<v Speaker 3>He shares more because as the president he needed to

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<v Speaker 3>be a bigger person and that divide is not going

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<v Speaker 3>to come from him nor from the media. This is

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<v Speaker 3>what I think is Kamala's most most important role and

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<v Speaker 3>most important job I should say in this debate is

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<v Speaker 3>to convince people that she is everyone's president, that she

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<v Speaker 3>is moderate enough that the most important things you care about,

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<v Speaker 3>she's got you. And that is tough because of what's

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<v Speaker 3>going on in the economy, especially right and people listen,

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00:28:36.079 --> 00:28:42.119
<v Speaker 3>the groceries are expensive, gas is expensive. But she's got

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<v Speaker 3>to find a way. And I don't exactly know what

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<v Speaker 3>that is, right, And it's not I'm going to end

447
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<v Speaker 3>price gadging because that's not the real I mean, it's

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00:28:52.000 --> 00:28:56.279
<v Speaker 3>it's like communism, and it's not the reason why everything

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<v Speaker 3>is up.

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<v Speaker 2>When she said that, I squirmed. What about if interest

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<v Speaker 2>rates come down? Part of the election?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, that's I mean, that is interest rates huge deal.

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<v Speaker 3>People can't buy houses. I mean, the thing is and

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<v Speaker 3>I know Nicholas Christoph had an excellent opinion article on

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<v Speaker 3>the thirty first in The Times New York Times, right,

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<v Speaker 3>which was Saturday, and he quoted Bill Clinton and Bill

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<v Speaker 3>Clinton learned something that his wife Hillary never learned, right,

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<v Speaker 3>and it was that you can demean Trump, but don't

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<v Speaker 3>demean his voters, right right. You know he said this

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<v Speaker 3>in the in the DNC convention Clinton, you know, and

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<v Speaker 3>God bless him. He's the last president to reach across

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<v Speaker 3>party lines. He said, I urge you not to demean them,

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<v Speaker 3>meaning people that Trump supporters, not to pretend you don't

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<v Speaker 3>disagree with them if you do, but treat them with respect.

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<v Speaker 3>And Kamala can't sound two oh my friends. Yes, my

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<v Speaker 3>friends used to call it fiddy what fiditti, which is

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<v Speaker 3>high falutin in other in other vernacular. Yes, yes, she

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<v Speaker 3>can't sound. She can't sound like an elitist. And she

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<v Speaker 3>has to understand why people vote for him and tell

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<v Speaker 3>them I get why you vote for him, right because

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<v Speaker 3>you think that he is going to do X, Y

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<v Speaker 3>and Z, right, but he's not. And I am, and

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<v Speaker 3>this is how I'm going to do it.

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<v Speaker 2>She's really trying to go for the middle class. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>a tax break for new parents four million, four hundred

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<v Speaker 2>thousand for a child. Do you think that's going to translate?

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<v Speaker 3>She keeps saying tax breaks, which is something that Democrats

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<v Speaker 3>don't like to talk about.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so you're saying that she should continue that. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>that's what she talked about, absolutely, right.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, the only way the government can really help

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<v Speaker 3>people is by letting them keep their own money.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, uh.

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<v Speaker 3>And and and and then maybe that they have more

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<v Speaker 3>money to pay for the groceries that are too high,

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<v Speaker 3>and maybe things will come to competition, breeds, lower prices,

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<v Speaker 3>price controls, don't. I mean, listen, Trump is not conservative

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<v Speaker 3>at all, right, tariffs. No conservative believes in tariffs.

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<v Speaker 2>Right right, right, right, right right right.

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<v Speaker 3>And Trump's and no conservative has ever been as isolationist

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<v Speaker 3>as Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 2>True. Do you think Trump's wavering on abortion and sending

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<v Speaker 2>it to the state wavering? We're not wavering, but no,

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<v Speaker 2>But I I mean because some people want like a

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<v Speaker 2>ban across the board, and he says, no, leave it

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<v Speaker 2>to the states.

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<v Speaker 3>If you don't think Trump has paid for an abortion

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<v Speaker 3>or two in your time, I mean, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Right,

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<v Speaker 3>I'll get letters, send them to me.

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<v Speaker 2>Will forward into your buddy.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but he he does not. He is not a

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<v Speaker 3>pro life guy. He's not a conservative.

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<v Speaker 2>He's not He's no, he's not a conservative. You're right,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you're right. I mean he is business wise.

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<v Speaker 2>He wants tax breaks for the rich.

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<v Speaker 3>But you know, right, right, But he's not a social conservative.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh god no.

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<v Speaker 3>And and and he will do whatever he can to

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<v Speaker 3>stay off of the abortion stuff because it is his

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<v Speaker 3>Supreme Court that overturned Roe v.

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<v Speaker 2>Wade.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's it's he's just kind of keep saying, it's

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<v Speaker 3>the States, it's the States, it's the states. I'm not

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<v Speaker 3>for a national band. It's for the states to say.

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<v Speaker 3>And the Republicans have gotten too far because true conservatives

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<v Speaker 3>really don't believe in getting in people's personal lives. Right,

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<v Speaker 3>But there's there's a lot of religion in republics.

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<v Speaker 2>They have to handle the religious right, and that's that's

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<v Speaker 2>where they have to appease that. And and there's no

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<v Speaker 2>doubt about that. Sam, I'm gonna wrap things up. I

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<v Speaker 2>want to talk about the rules coming up for the debate.

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<v Speaker 2>And also we have a touched on the border, and

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<v Speaker 2>I have an opinion on that. Sam Metler, the moderate

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<v Speaker 2>from Hollywood, continues after this in WBZ.

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<v Speaker 1>Now back to Dan ray Mine from the Window World

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<v Speaker 1>night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Political analysts Sam Medler joining us, also Hollywood producer in

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<v Speaker 2>Front of Gary back here on night Side. We're going

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<v Speaker 2>to take calls coming up at eleven o'clock after the

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<v Speaker 2>eleven o'clock news. I want to know what you think

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<v Speaker 2>of the debate rules and how it should be run,

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<v Speaker 2>and Sam and I are going to talk about that

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<v Speaker 2>and also get to the border here too. But from

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<v Speaker 2>what I understand and what I've read in regard to

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<v Speaker 2>the ABC debate that's coming up on the tenth, Sam,

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<v Speaker 2>the Harris camp wants unmuted mics, you know, open season.

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<v Speaker 2>The Trump camp wants the muted mics and wants a

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<v Speaker 2>little more decorum because they want to protect their guy

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<v Speaker 2>from himself. You need a studio audience, I mean the CNN.

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<v Speaker 2>You need a studio audience. Come on. And I'm okay

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<v Speaker 2>that they don't have to you know, they don't have

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<v Speaker 2>to talk to people in breaks that they have to.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, they have to be big, you know, they

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<v Speaker 2>have to be grown ups and do this thing on

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<v Speaker 2>their own. But I want a studio audience, and I

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<v Speaker 2>want unmuted mics. What do you think.

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<v Speaker 3>I want unmuted mikes? Absolutely right now she has uh

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<v Speaker 3>said they will keep their mics muted, but uh, you

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<v Speaker 3>know that could change, but I don't think it will

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<v Speaker 3>because I think that the you know, ABC wants to

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<v Speaker 3>control things and not have them get into shining fights

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<v Speaker 3>and and you know, have the debate taken up with

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<v Speaker 3>with you know, childish crap.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, we can't trust them, I guess is what we're saying.

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<v Speaker 2>We can't. Well, we can't trust him, we can't trust him,

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<v Speaker 2>you can't trust him.

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<v Speaker 3>But you know, I think she would still do this,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, I think.

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<v Speaker 2>Would Jabs.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, she would try to bait him totally if if

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<v Speaker 3>she if she, I mean, the smart thing is to

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<v Speaker 3>try to bait him by the way, uh and and

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<v Speaker 3>and yeah, and and just let him look silly grasping.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know if she has that in her. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know if she does.

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<v Speaker 2>Dude, I think she can. I think she. I think

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<v Speaker 2>she can. I think she can play Gabber a little bit.

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<v Speaker 3>Telca Gabbert tore her apart, I know, and uh, Donald

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<v Speaker 3>Trump is note Telca Gabbert.

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<v Speaker 2>She could learn from that, though I don't know. I

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<v Speaker 2>think she has to. Quite frankly, I think her supporters

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<v Speaker 2>expect her to do it and to get somebody. And

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<v Speaker 2>I don't even know Sam I mean, does let me

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<v Speaker 2>ask you this, does the debate matter as far as

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<v Speaker 2>the undecided? Are there any undecided?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes?

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<v Speaker 2>Really?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, this is a tough This is a tough election,

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<v Speaker 3>especially if you are a person who is saying, I

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<v Speaker 3>don't like either of these guys, but I can't afford

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<v Speaker 3>done right right and and they're just a lot of

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00:37:04.880 --> 00:37:07.440
<v Speaker 3>people like that right now. And I think that that's

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<v Speaker 3>not what the polls are showing. He's more trusted on

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<v Speaker 3>the economy as much of the baggage. And I can listen,

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<v Speaker 3>I can't. I can't take his baggage. It's awful. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>not voting for him. I'm not voting for her either,

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<v Speaker 3>by the way, But I mean he comes with a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of emotional baggage, which she doesn't. But she has

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<v Speaker 3>to convince people that she's going to bring this, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>economy to where they even if she doesn't have the kind.

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<v Speaker 2>Of power to do right. But I mean, if they

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<v Speaker 2>lower interest rates, doesn't that help the economy?

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<v Speaker 3>Hell yeah right, it's lower them.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it doesn't really matter who the president is.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I I I think that they

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<v Speaker 3>have ABC has good debate moderators as well. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>I think I think you can I think you can

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<v Speaker 3>trust well, I'll say David Yure especially, he is very

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<v Speaker 3>very close to the VEST. He's not a guy that

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<v Speaker 3>editorializes the news very much. I think Lindsey Davis, I think.

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<v Speaker 2>A little bit. But what do you guys to the left?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, okay, yeah, I mean she I remember when she

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<v Speaker 3>tried to tie Trump to the KKK. And it's just

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<v Speaker 3>you know, listen, there's plenty to say about him in

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<v Speaker 3>you know, his ill tempered racial talk. It doesn't matter

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<v Speaker 3>what he's talking about, by the way, it could be

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<v Speaker 3>wish people, could be black people, it could be Latino people.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, he he does discrimination exactly, but you know,

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<v Speaker 5>he's not connected to the KKK.

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<v Speaker 3>And uh, it's uh. I think she's a little a

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<v Speaker 3>little left. But guess you know, guess what the ABC

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<v Speaker 3>has George Stephanopolis, who should never be a debate moderator, right,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, he was Clinton's chief of staff. Do not

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<v Speaker 3>all all of these people that are on the news

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<v Speaker 3>now they're from political.

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<v Speaker 2>They're all that's It's like the ex athlete. The ex

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<v Speaker 2>athlete goes into the booth, the x politician goes behind

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<v Speaker 2>the desk.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, the the ex athlete. You can tell, you know

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<v Speaker 3>if if Poppy you know, is covering the series and

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<v Speaker 3>the Socks are in it, you know he was rooting

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<v Speaker 3>for the socks.

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<v Speaker 2>The ramifications are not as bad, Sam, exactly. We gotta go, buddy.

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<v Speaker 2>It's always great to talk to you. Thank you for

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<v Speaker 2>the insight, thank you for the objectivity. Best of the fam,

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<v Speaker 2>uh and with you and we will talk to you soon,

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<v Speaker 2>my friend.

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<v Speaker 3>Good night Boston.

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<v Speaker 2>He is Sam Mettler. He is the moderate from Hollywood,

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<v Speaker 2>the only one out there, and we love him here

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<v Speaker 2>at WBZ. Your call is coming up next. How should

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<v Speaker 2>the debate be run? What do you want to see?

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<v Speaker 2>I'll let you know what the rules currently are, let

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<v Speaker 2>me know what you think of them and should they

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<v Speaker 2>be changed at six one seven, two thirty on wbz's

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<v Speaker 2>Night Side