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Speaker 1: Horizon.

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Speaker 2: So the Yank delegate from Texas steps up and shouts

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remember the elbow and checks out to Mexican. Welcome back

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to the Shirley You Can't be serious podcast. We are

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coming to you live from Wales, United Kingdom. How many

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different countries are there in this country? I think there's three. Anyway,

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we're walking along and where are we the slaughtered lamb?

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That sounds appetizing.

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Speaker 1: Let's go and see if they have some hot soup.

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Speaker 2: What was it that old guy told us from the

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sheep truck.

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Speaker 1: Stay on the road, keep clear of the moors, beware

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the moon.

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Speaker 2: Stick to the roads. Oops. All right, Shirley fans, welcome

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back for the third of our Halloween episodes this October.

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We are excited to be talking about were wolf movies today. Jason,

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do you remember the first time he saw these movies?

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Speaker 1: Yes, the first time I saw an American werewolf in London.

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I was at a friend's house spending the night. It's

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probably a second grader or a third grader, right, And

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we had ordered pizza and nobody asked me what flavor

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I wanted, so I got combo, you know which. No

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kid likes green peppers on their pizza, so I was

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already mad about that, and then we're watching American Werelf

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in London and I'm like, wow, this is really amazing.

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This looks really cool. There's scenes that take place at

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a porn theater, and I realized that I'm like, you know,

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facing my own death here, and what can I do

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but just eat my pizza with green peppers and watch

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American Werewolf in London and be blown away because it

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was so awesome.

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Speaker 2: So I got to watch this one with my dad. Huh.

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And I mentioned on our Trading Places First is Coming

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to America episode from last season that this is where

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I found out what our rated meant or kind of right,

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because my dad wanted me to see this movie. He

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loved this movie, but there were parts that he said,

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you got to leave. I was watching at the house.

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I was in a theater, but it was like, you

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gotta leave its part. I'm like, why he goes, cause

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it's scary. He let me watch the werewolf change completely,

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but it was like too scary for me to watch,

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And that's what rated art meant. And then a couple

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years later, I found out no rated arment something completely

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different and much more fantastic.

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Speaker 1: Yes. Yes, both of these movies have scenes that like

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pornography is taking place in the background.

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Speaker 2: They had to film the porn scenes first. Both directors

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were like, all right, well, guess we're gonna make a

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porn movie to put in our non porn movie, right,

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which is weird. We can talk about that in a minute,

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but that's it's crazy. There are a ton of similarities

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in these movies, the most important of which is the

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amazing change metamorphosis and the wolf.

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Speaker 1: I would say that that's the highlight of both movies.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: The transformation from man to wolf was so astounding when

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you watch this for the first time in nineteen eighty one.

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There's no computers. This is all done with latex and

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rubber and fake hands and all this stuff.

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Speaker 2: Like every Wolfman movie that had come out before this,

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the guy would be sitting in a chair and it

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would be like a time lapse photograph type thing where

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the hair just kind of appears on his face and

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then he wakes up and he's a wolf, right, Which

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that's what John Landis wanted to be done with.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean his whole thing was if your bones

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are stretching and your face is morphing into something. It's

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going to be super painful. And man, that scene is

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incredible because all of a sudden, David is like an

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intense pain, like his head is exploding or something.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so let's get into it. Let's talk about the

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history of these movies and how they came about. Okay,

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let's do it all right, starting with mister John Landis.

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I've told a little bit of the story before, but

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it's worth repeating. It's been a year.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's do it.

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Speaker 2: Okay. So John Landis is a little kid and he

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sees this movie Jason and the Argonauts, and it's got

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the stop motion photography with these monsters and cyclops. Goes home.

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He says, who is the guy who makes movies? Because

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he's so fascinated and his mom says, that's the director,

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and he says, that's what I want to be. That's

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what I want to do with my life. And by

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sixteen he's working in the mailroom in one of the

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Hollywood studios. He gets to know some people, and by

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seventeen there's a director who's calling him from Yugoslavia who says, hey, man,

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you want to get into pictures. If you can find

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a plane ticket to get out here. I'll put you

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to work, And so he goes to his bank. He

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has just enough money to buy a plane ticket. But

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he goes and tells his mom, Hey, they're flying me

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out there, right, He's withdrawn his own money just to

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fly out there. They're flying me out there to make movies,

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so that she'll go, Okay, you can go out there.

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with Clin east Wood and Kelly Slan, Kelly Savalis, Donald Sutherland,

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Harry Dean Stanton from Alien Yeah, Yeah, and he gets

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he gets all kinds of work over there in Europe,

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learns all kinds of things. But while he's working on

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Kelly's Heroes, they're over there in Yugoslavia. They're driving down

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this like four hundred mile long single lane road. The

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driver's a Yugoslav guy who he said has probably been

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convicted of war crimes since then. And they come across

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a funeral, right, and the funeral is being done by gypsies.

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I mean, he said, it looks like they were out

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of Central Casting. They had the babushka, they had the

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head dress, they had the tassels, they had it all right.

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gypsy in the old movies, which, if you remember from

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the original Wolfman, that's the lady that gave us all

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the exposition.

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Speaker 1: That's true, that's true.

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Speaker 2: And so they're doing this funeral and they've got garlic

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on the guy and he says, they buried him feet first,

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like upright, yeah, yeah, And he's talking to this driver

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of his. You're just laughing at this. He just thinks

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it's all ridiculous. But he's talking to him and he's like,

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why are they doing it like this? And the guy says, well,

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that's to make sure that the guy doesn't wake up,

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dig himself out of the grave and go get these people.

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If you bury him v first, it's impossible for him

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to get out.

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Speaker 1: Well, of course, I mean that just makes common.

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Speaker 2: Sense, good sense, right, I mean, somebody's waking from the dead.

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They're going to be completely stopped by being upright, And

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so they go on their way, and then that night

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he can't sleep. All he can think about is what

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would happen if some undead gypsy came to attack me?

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And that is what lights the spark for the script

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that he writes for the movie that will become American

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were Wolf in London.

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Speaker 1: That is a great story, man, that's a great story.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: Nineteen eighty one we had four major werewolf movies. Yeah,

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we're going to be covering the two big ones today.

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American war Wolf in London, yep, came out in August

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of eighty one.

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 1: The Howling came out in April of eighty one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Then you had Full Moon High.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, what full Moon High? Full Moon High?

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Speaker 1: It's kind of teen Wolf, Okay, it's it's like a

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precursion to tea.

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Speaker 2: It had Adam Arkin and Ed freaking McMahon hes Full

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Moon High.

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Speaker 1: And then you had a movie called Wolf.

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Speaker 2: Yes with a yeah, but we picked the best. Oh,

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we only picked Yes the Wolf. And I remember seeing wolfing,

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but I don't. I remember that I saw it, but

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I don't remember the movie. Like it's just very forgettable.

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Speaker 1: I was disappointed when I saw it.

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Speaker 2: And Full Moon High, interestingly, was directed by a guy

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named Larry Cohen. He also directed a movie called It's Alive,

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and he had been working on a movie before that

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with this young kid named Rick Baker. And Rick had

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been doing some special effect ex for various movies, and

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Larry Cohen's like, you should come do the special effects

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for this movie It's alive. Well, he didn't actually end

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up doing that, but another guy who was interested in

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Rick Baker's special effects was John Landis. He had gotten

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back to the US by then he had seen this

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movie called trog which is about a troglodyte, which is terrible, right,

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it's a terrible movie. He's like, this is a terrible

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This movie is so bad, I want to make a

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joke movie about it. And that movie that he wanted

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to make was going to be called Shlock and he

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was going to dress up in this kind of ape costume.

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And so he's new to this. Right, He's only got

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about sixty thousand dollars to make the movie, and so

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he goes to find out how much the costume's going

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to cost. Talks to one of his friends from the

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movies that he's been involved in. They're like, we can

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do it for eighty thousand dollars. He'd like, okay, that's

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twenty thousand more than the entire budget for the whole movie.

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Speaker 1: Right, Hey, before you get off, Larry cohen Okay, I

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just want to give a quick shout out to our

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buddy James Buckley. Last week when we did m Versus

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Psycho Versus Silence of the Lamb with our friends of

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the thirty something podcast. The trivia question that we talked

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about during that episode was we covered the movie M

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name the only two other movies with one letter titles, right,

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and we came up with the movie R and the

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movie Z. Well. About ten minutes after we dropped our

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episode on Tuesday morning, James Buckley sent me a text

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and said, don't forget about the movie q Q, which

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I had never heard of before. A right turns out

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it's ai Larry Cohen movie.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: The poster looks really cool.

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Speaker 2: It's got David Carrodine in it, and there's a dragon

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in the city.

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Speaker 1: That's something i'd watch.

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Speaker 2: Maybe not.

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Speaker 1: And then our buddy Dayton Johnson from the Document seventy

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seven podcast, he hit me up and said, don't forget

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about the movie oh oh oh, which was short for

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a fellow. I think, oh, they did that pretty recently,

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ten or fifteen years maybe, right. Okay, So thanks guys,

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we really appreciate you listening.

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Speaker 2: There's a way to get a shorter title than one letter.

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Speaker 1: That's one point.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, underscore.

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Speaker 1: Somebody out there have the balls to make a movie

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with just the decimal point.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, okay. So John Landis is looking for somebody

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to make his costume. The guys who are professionals are

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too expensive, but they've got a business card for this

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kid who's just come by. They hand the business card

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to John Landis and the business card says Rick Baker,

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monster maker. Love it and he's just a kid, Like

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they're both just kids. John Landis is twenty one, Rick

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Baker is twenty. They get together and John Landis is

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this hyperactive, crazy guy, and Rick Baker is this kind

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of shy, subtle kid at the time, but he's making

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these amazing monster things inside his mom's up right right,

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and he ends up doing the special effects for Schlock.

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Speaker 1: Yes.

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Speaker 2: While they're working together, John Landis tells him about this

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script idea that he has, and he says, I've got

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this werewolf movie idea, and what has to happen is

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the change, the metamorphosis has to be painful. Do you

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think you could do something like that?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Rick Baker's like, yeah, sure, sounds fun Yeah, exactly right

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on my alley. But the problem is nobody wants to

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make the movie right. They can't tell whether it's a

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comedy or a horror movie. It's funny and it's scary,

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Speaker 1: First of all, I'm spiking the football.

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Speaker 1: There's funny parts.

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Speaker 2: It's it's not a comedy, You're right. I mean you

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start off the movie with two young kids who are

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Speaker 1: There are funny situations.

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Speaker 2: There's lots of funny situations.

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Speaker 1: And the fact that there's young boys involved. They say

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funny things and they do funny things. Yeah, but it's

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a horror movie, definitely.

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Speaker 2: Okay, keep going, okay, Oh no, yeah, something well, I.

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Speaker 1: Was just going to say when you're talking about the development.

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John Landis wrote this when he was a teenager, right,

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so you know, for Kelly's heroes, he's in Yugoslavia, he's eighteen,

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nineteen years old. He writes basically the same script we

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see on screen for American World from London, but he's

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nineteen years old.

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Speaker 2: Right, Rick Baker said the script that he read back

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in the early seventies, except for the porn theater. Right,

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put on the screen. Right. And the reason that the

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porn theater was a porn theater was because Piccadilly Circus

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had changed in that ten year time period. Originally, it

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so it was supposed to be this cartoon movie and

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they would show cartoon violence interchange with the real violence.

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Speaker 1: So when Rick Baker and John Landis were discussing in

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American World of London back in the seventies, they had

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this kind of agreement that when I make this, you're

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going to do the makeup. And Rick Baker's like, heck, yeah,

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I am, because that's what I want to do, right,

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and Rick Baker's like, ten years past and nothing had happened, right.

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Speaker 2: Well, they both go on, I mean, John Landis gets

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a lot of work just from the script, right, people

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don't want to make the movie, but they say, here's

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a talented guy, and so he starts getting and of

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course Rick Baker is doing work including by the way,

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I just found this out the day special effects on

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Flesh Gordon. I'm not kidding like it is. Had His

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first credited special effect is schlock. His second one is

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Flesh Gordon.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna start somewhere.

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Speaker 2: Well, they were great special effects. If you look at

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the IMDb, all of the pictures are the special effects.

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movie Google search. So, as you mentioned, ten years go by,

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and they're both doing other work. Rick Baker's getting special

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effects work, and John Landis starts directing some movies, movies

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that we've talked about in the past. He directs the

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Kentucky Fried movie, which was the original Zucker Brothers production, right,

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and then that leads him into Animal House. Yes, fantastic,

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huge hit. Right then, just before this movie comes out,

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they release The Blues.

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Speaker 1: Brothers, another humongous hit.

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Speaker 2: Right. But right at the time that The Lues Brothers

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is coming out, there's this book that's come out called

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The Howling. So in nineteen seventy seven. This book had

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come out by Gary Bradner. I think it was his

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fourth book, but it was like a new series and

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it was called The Howling. It's about this woman who

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gets attacked and raped and has to goes to like

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a country town to kind of recuperate.

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Speaker 1: You said, rape. Yeah, a little different than the movie.

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Speaker 2: A little different than the movie. And it's a town.

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It's not like you know, a spa for the you know,

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mentally disturbed. It is a town, okay, and that's where

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the were wolves come in. Right. She's stressed out because

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of her experience, and then she's got these werewolf hearings

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and soundings going on, and so they're like, is it

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the psychosis or whatever? You know? So he writes this

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movie called The Howling. Studio picks it up. They say, okay,

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we want Jack Conrad to direct. So Jack Conrad and

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this guy named Terence Winkless work on a script together

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and it's pretty bad. And just I gotta say this,

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this is the one of the rabbit holes that I

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went down. Okay. So Terrence Winkless, he gets a credit

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on this, He gets a writing credit on this. But

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among the other things that he's done in the past

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is to play Bingo the Gorilla on the Banana Splits

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Adventures La La, which was directed by Don't tell me

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Richard Donner.

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Speaker 1: That's right, whoa are you serious?

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Speaker 2: Yes, whoo big Donner, there you go. Okay. So they

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look at that and like, this is really bad, guys,

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don't We don't like this, and so we're kind of

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going to go a different way with it, and they

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pick up Joe Dante. At this point, all that Joe

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Dante has done is Pirana piranha. Yeah. So it wasn't

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like a big you know, win for them. It's like,

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we got this guy who did a movie that was

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a pretty good Jaws knockoff, which also had a Belinda

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Bolanski who's in this movie, right, Terry, Right. And so

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they get Joe Dante and he picks up this guy

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who is also a Roger Corman guy with him named

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John Sales. Yeah, talked about it in the past, that's right. Yeah,

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me work on this script, and he tries to make

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it fit to the novel a bit more, and ultimately

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they just say, you know what, just forget the novel,

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just make it your own. And that's the script that

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Speaker 1: Here's the funny story about that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So Joe Dante was the director of the movie, and

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he had been pretty critical of the book, and so

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he was given a speech at a Hollywood script writing institute. Right,

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He's given them a lecture and he started talking, and

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he's bad mouthing the book, okay, and a man raised

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his hand in the audience and he stood up and

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he said, so you don't like the book. And he's like, yeah,

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I think I've been pretty clear I don't like the book.

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Guy's like, well, my name is Gary and I wrote that.

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Speaker 2: Oh gosh, yeah, okay. So ouch. So I've watched I

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watched the documentary on this, right, and Joe Dante talks

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about how he and the author didn't really get along,

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but doesn't go into any more detail than that. So

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I did not know this. It's fantastic. So once they've

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determined Okay, we've got the director, we've got a better script.

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We need somebody to do the special effects. Let's get

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this guy, Rick Baker. And Rick Baker's like, you know,

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it's been ten years. I think I could do this.

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Speaker 1: It's been ten years.

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Speaker 2: It's been ten years.

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Speaker 1: I'm ready to do a werewolf movie, right, Except as

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soon as he signs on to do The Howling he

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kind of just gets started. He gets a phone call

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from John Landis, who's like, guess what, good news. I'm

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greenlit on this movie, American Wereolf in London, and we're

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finally gonna make our werewolf movie. And Rick Baker's like,

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bad news, dude, I'm already making a werewolf movie with

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this other guy. And he's like, you bleep it he bleep,

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You've been bleep bleepp. He's like, all right. So Rick

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Baker went to him and said, hey, I've had an

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agreement with guy for a long time. I'm sorry, I've

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got to step away. So Rick Baker steps away from

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The Howling to do American Wolf in London.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and the guy he leaves in charge is Rob Boden,

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and Rob ends up doing a great job with it.

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Speaker 1: Well, like we said, the highlight of The Howling is

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the transformation scene.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, both these movies did a great job.

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Speaker 2: So The Howling was doing so well that it actually

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won the Saturn Award in nineteen eighty before it was

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even released. Wow, isn't that crazy? I didn't know that, right,

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So we mentioned this. It's released in April. They filmed

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American Werewolf in London from like February to March, so

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like right before it's supposed to come out, they're filming

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American Wolf Werewolf in London. I'm wondering how much access

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like Landis and his folks had to the Howling.

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Speaker 1: I bet you Rick Baker had read the script, no question,

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no question. So and then here comes Rick Baker. I

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bet they knew a lot about.

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Speaker 2: It, right, Okay, So you ready talk casting.

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Speaker 1: Let's start casting. Okay, I don't have tons on Howling.

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Let's start there.

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Speaker 2: Okay, okay. So first star of the movie d Wallace, Yes,

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d Wallis Stone, d Wallace Stone. Another major actor in

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the movie is Christopher Stone. She wasn't d Wallace Stone

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at the time. They were just engaged. They're engaged, and

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they needed a guy to play her husband in the movie.

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She was already signed on, and she's like, I know,

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the sure way to not get my fiance this part

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is to say, hey, my fiance is an actor. So

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she says, you know, I know this guy, god, what

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is his name? He'd be great for this part. Chris

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Chris Stone. Chris Stone. You should give him a call. Yeah, wow,

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And so they call him in. He comes in and

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he gets he does his audition, he does a great

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job with it, and so a little later on they

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call him to offer him the part. And when they

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call d Wallace answers the phone right. The casting director's like, oh,

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d I'm sorry. I must have dialed the wrong number.

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I must have mixed your number up with this Chris Stone.

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And she's like, no, you call the right number. He's like,

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do not tell me. She's like, yeah, I'm sorry. We're engaged.

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He's like, oh my gosh, I don't see how if

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you've read the script that you want your fiance to

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be in this.

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Speaker 1: Movie, I would like to watch my fiance and our

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marriage sleep with other women and turn into it where

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a wolf that tries to kill me.

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Speaker 2: Can you do a naked scene with a really really

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hot woman?

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Speaker 1: Oh yes, yes, yes, so, and just.

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Speaker 2: On that scene real quick. We'll just hit it now.

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Speaker 1: Let's hit it now.

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Speaker 2: Joe Dante, he's a little awkward, he's kind of a

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got the Joe Pesci kind of thing. It's a little awkward,

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and he goes up to d Wallace. He's like, Uh,

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we're tomorrow, We're we're filming the Fireside Wolf love making. Uh.

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She's like, what are you trying to say, Joe. He's like,

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I was just wondering if you were planning to be there.

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She's like, it sounds like you don't want me there, Joe.

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Well it might make it a little bit awkward, it

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might be easy. And she's like, that's fine, I won't come.

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I won't come. And so she went and drank all day.

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Speaker 1: That's funny story. I had not heard that before. Here's

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my funny story with that scene. Okay, so you have

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Elizabeth Brooks, Yes, and she's hired to play the super sexy,

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mysterious Marcia Werewolf, right right. She's sort of casting that

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spell on Christopher Stone and he starts to not be

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able to resist her anymore.

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Speaker 2: Right right.

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Speaker 1: So she has this big naked sex scene in the woods. Yeah,

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and she had read the script and was familiar with it.

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But she's like, I knew I was supposed to be nude,

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but I thought they were going to like cover me

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with smoke and stuff and I'm listening to them. She

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was very much against nudity, and she came out against

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Joe Dante's really mad yeah that he showed so much

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of her.

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Speaker 3: H huh.

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Speaker 1: And I'm like, you were standing there, your clothes were

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off right, How do you not know? I mean, this

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is a major scene in the movie, Come on, right, ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: Maybe she expected them to animate the smoke in like

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they did with that last.

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Speaker 1: Scene, the cartoon scene.

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Speaker 2: Cartoon scene.

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Speaker 1: Why why when you watch this movie, yep, you have

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it goes from like cinemas after dark to like wolves

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getting it on, like half human half wolves, and then

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you have like cartoons getting it on.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it looks like Lord of the Rings, the animated version.

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It's pretty bad.

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Speaker 1: It's bad.

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Speaker 2: And apparently I guess they had that clip from the

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advertisements that they had done, like the trailers and previews

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and stuff that they had done, and they just stuck

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it in there. But I don't think it was originally

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intended to be in the movie, and I don't think

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they should have put it in it. It wasn't necessary.

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Speaker 1: It was distracting.

471
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Speaker 2: It was, yeah, definitely distracted.

472
00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:56,599
Speaker 1: Just one thing on casting. Yeah, Elizabeth Brooks took the

473
00:22:56,640 --> 00:23:00,079
part of Marcia. Yeah, that part was actually offered to

474
00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:02,279
Annette Haven. Does that ring any bells with you?

475
00:23:02,319 --> 00:23:02,440
Speaker 2: No?

476
00:23:02,599 --> 00:23:05,839
Speaker 1: Okay a net Haven, Yes, was a triple X porn

477
00:23:05,839 --> 00:23:07,079
star from the seventies.

478
00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:08,440
Speaker 2: Glad Glad.

479
00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:13,680
Speaker 1: I was like, oh yeah, I know, oh my, oh yeah, okay,

480
00:23:13,799 --> 00:23:17,200
but she she didn't get the part, but apparently it

481
00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:18,599
was close. She probably would have been a little more

482
00:23:18,599 --> 00:23:20,880
comfortable with the nudity getting it on scene.

483
00:23:21,079 --> 00:23:24,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, well that's interesting. So along as as long

484
00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:27,599
as we're on the topic of nudity. Yes, de Wallace

485
00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:29,880
also was against the nudity, and she was like, okay,

486
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,279
I understand that this love making scene has to happen

487
00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:35,759
or whatever, but she had it in her contract that

488
00:23:36,039 --> 00:23:39,839
there would be no other nudity scenes in the movie

489
00:23:39,839 --> 00:23:43,240
at all, not just her, but like nobody, nobody else

490
00:23:43,279 --> 00:23:45,319
could be nude. She wouldn't be a part of a

491
00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:49,039
booby movie, right, right. And so they come to do

492
00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:52,880
the final scene, the barn scene where everything is revealed,

493
00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:55,960
and she said, she walks on the set and there

494
00:23:56,039 --> 00:24:00,000
are boobies everywhere. They've really got a ton of women

495
00:24:00,039 --> 00:24:03,720
and completely naked, all ready to do this scene, and

496
00:24:03,759 --> 00:24:05,680
She's like, what's going on here? And they're like, well,

497
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:07,480
we just need to film this final scene. And she's like,

498
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:10,640
why are there naked people? We don't need naked people

499
00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:12,640
for this final scene. Yeah, and they're like, well we

500
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:15,759
really the producers just feel like it's important that we

501
00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:18,240
have you know, we reach a certain demographic and you know,

502
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:20,000
there's gonna be a lot of teenage kids who are

503
00:24:20,039 --> 00:24:22,200
into this movie or whatever. She's like, I have it

504
00:24:22,319 --> 00:24:25,720
in my contract there will be no more boobies. So

505
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:28,359
I'm gonna sit down and I'm not gonna take part

506
00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:31,119
in the scene until these ladies are clothed or gone.

507
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:34,000
And they're like come on, She's like, I'm not kidding.

508
00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:36,400
I'm not shooting it. They're like d and he's like,

509
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:39,079
not shooting it, and he goes, I have to call

510
00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:42,039
the producer. She goes call it, and so she hears

511
00:24:42,079 --> 00:24:44,519
him on the phone. You know, twenty minutes go by.

512
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:47,279
He comes roaring up in his car. He burst out

513
00:24:47,279 --> 00:24:50,720
of the car, obviously really angry, right, jumps out of

514
00:24:50,759 --> 00:24:53,240
the car, goes into the bar and looks around. He's like,

515
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:57,039
you're right, this is ridiculous. Get these women out of here.

516
00:24:57,839 --> 00:24:59,839
I'm sorry you had to go through this, Ms Wallace.

517
00:25:00,319 --> 00:25:03,440
Speaker 1: That's good. I thought I thought he was gonna go

518
00:25:03,559 --> 00:25:09,039
full on wolf and wolf out, you know. Yeah, that's funny. Yeah, okay, story,

519
00:25:09,079 --> 00:25:09,799
that's a great story.

520
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:13,400
Speaker 2: So the movie starts with our psychiatrist, who ends up

521
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:16,480
being a major player in this one. Yes, and he

522
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:20,920
is played by an actor named Patrick macnee. Do you

523
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:25,960
know him? No, you know the old British Avengers, the Avengers. Yeah,

524
00:25:26,039 --> 00:25:27,960
it was like a super spy. Yeah, yeah, he was

525
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:30,319
that guy. He was the main guy in the Avengers.

526
00:25:30,759 --> 00:25:34,960
Really yeah, and so he checked him out. He has

527
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:40,160
an interesting childhood. His mother was a socialite and his

528
00:25:40,279 --> 00:25:43,400
dad was like a horse trainer. And while his dad

529
00:25:43,519 --> 00:25:47,240
was gone, she got involved in another relationship and they

530
00:25:47,319 --> 00:25:51,240
ended up separating and she went to live with her

531
00:25:51,599 --> 00:25:56,839
new lover, whose name was Evelyn. This is nineteen twenty nine,

532
00:25:57,559 --> 00:26:00,079
not that I mean in today's world, you know, one

533
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,519
hundred years almost later, not such a big deal, but

534
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,720
nineteen twenty nine. She was the heir to the Doer's

535
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:09,640
whiskey fortune, and she ended up paying for much of

536
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:13,240
Patrick's schooling, and he just referred to her as uncle Evelyn.

537
00:26:13,319 --> 00:26:17,039
Speaker 1: Interesting, now, you know that he is the only confirmed

538
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,880
werewolf that we see zero transformation from.

539
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:20,640
Speaker 2: That's right.

540
00:26:20,759 --> 00:26:22,880
Speaker 1: Everybody else wolf's out at some point.

541
00:26:23,039 --> 00:26:25,400
Speaker 2: Yeah. He's also one of the only actors in the

542
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:29,920
world who have portrayed both doctor Watson and Sherlock Holmes

543
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,680
on screen. And you know what TV series he was

544
00:26:32,799 --> 00:26:36,160
Sherlock Holmes en No magnum p I nice. Yeah, well

545
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:37,799
he thought he was Sherlock Holmes.

546
00:26:38,039 --> 00:26:39,759
Speaker 1: Well yeah, yeah, all right.

547
00:26:40,039 --> 00:26:43,839
Speaker 2: So then we've got Dennis Dugan, who we've talked about before,

548
00:26:44,279 --> 00:26:45,359
mister Happy Gilmore.

549
00:26:45,599 --> 00:26:47,680
Speaker 1: He's the director of all the Adam Sandler movies.

550
00:26:47,759 --> 00:26:50,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he is the guy who was in Moonlighting,

551
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:53,680
who was the fiance of Simple Shepherd's character.

552
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:55,119
Speaker 1: I feel like we just talked about this.

553
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:58,839
Speaker 2: We did, but it's okay, yeah, it's all the tapestry, right.

554
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:00,920
Speaker 1: It's really cool how this all goes together. All Right,

555
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:02,960
So let's talk about Robert Paccardo.

556
00:27:03,559 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 2: Okay, So Robert Ricardo is the main werewolf.

557
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,400
Speaker 1: He's Eddie, he's the super bad wear his chasing d

558
00:27:09,519 --> 00:27:10,960
Wallace around from the very beginning.

559
00:27:11,079 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 2: Yes, and so he had been he'd gone to Yale

560
00:27:14,839 --> 00:27:17,519
as a pre med student, decided to drop out to

561
00:27:17,559 --> 00:27:21,480
pursue acting, had done well, was on Broadway and this

562
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:23,119
was his debut movie.

563
00:27:23,279 --> 00:27:26,039
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, And I heard him where he's like looking

564
00:27:26,079 --> 00:27:29,279
at himself in the mirror with the melted face and

565
00:27:29,319 --> 00:27:34,559
the werewolf half stuff, and he's like, I was on Broadway.

566
00:27:34,079 --> 00:27:36,920
Speaker 2: I was pre med at Yale And somebody looks at

567
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,119
him and goes, he did read the whole script, right,

568
00:27:40,559 --> 00:27:42,920
And so I heard this. He tells this story, and

569
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,599
then you know, we're researching both the movies. Rick Baker

570
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:50,680
tells an identical story with Griffin Dunn. Yes, Griffin was

571
00:27:50,759 --> 00:27:54,160
in his you know, torn to shreds makeup, and he's

572
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:56,759
just looking more and more depressed, and Rick Baker's like,

573
00:27:56,799 --> 00:27:58,920
what's wrong. He's like, this is just the first time

574
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,319
I've ever been in a feature movie and look at me.

575
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:04,200
And Rick Baker says, well, maybe read the whole script

576
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:04,640
next time.

577
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:07,440
Speaker 1: It's a good lesson.

578
00:28:07,559 --> 00:28:12,279
Speaker 2: Yep. So Patrick macnee's character is named George Wagner.

579
00:28:12,519 --> 00:28:12,759
Speaker 1: Right.

580
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,400
Speaker 2: George Wagner is the name of the director of the

581
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:20,480
original Wolfman from nineteen forty one. Right, The director for

582
00:28:20,799 --> 00:28:25,960
Frankenstein meets the Wolfman William Neil, which is Christopher Stones

583
00:28:26,079 --> 00:28:30,119
that's director. The director for the Curse of the Werewolf

584
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:33,960
from nineteen sixty one is Terence Fisher, which is Belinda

585
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:38,920
Blanski's name, Terry yep. Okay, you've got the Legend of

586
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:42,319
the Werewolf, which was directed by Freddy Francis, and Freddy

587
00:28:42,359 --> 00:28:45,119
Francis is played by Kevin McCarthy, who you will know

588
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:48,880
from the original Invasion of the Body Snatchers or I

589
00:28:49,039 --> 00:28:52,279
Feel like You and Me from Interspace the bad guy,

590
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:55,279
Never Beaged, Never beg He was also in Twilight Zone,

591
00:28:55,279 --> 00:28:58,759
the Jodante part of Twilight Zone I Love. And then

592
00:28:58,839 --> 00:29:02,799
you have Earl h who directed House of Dracula, and

593
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:06,640
Earl Kenton was the name of John Carradine's character. John

594
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:11,039
Carradine was actually in House of Dracula. Is that is cool?

595
00:29:11,359 --> 00:29:14,759
You've got Sam Newfield who directed The Mad Monster. Sam

596
00:29:14,799 --> 00:29:17,799
Newfield's the name of Slim Pickens character. And then you

597
00:29:18,039 --> 00:29:22,440
have Charles Barton who directed ab In Costello Frankenstein and

598
00:29:22,599 --> 00:29:26,519
Charles Barton is the name of Noble Willingham's character.

599
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 1: What in the wide wild world of sports is going

600
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:29,640
on here?

601
00:29:29,759 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 2: Okay, so let's talk about Slim Pickens. Okay, so Slim Pickens.

602
00:29:33,519 --> 00:29:34,759
I had to guy, and I was like, oh, I

603
00:29:34,799 --> 00:29:37,240
finally get to research Slim Pickens. So Slim Pickens is

604
00:29:37,279 --> 00:29:40,240
not his real name. He was born Lewis Lindley junior.

605
00:29:41,119 --> 00:29:44,559
He's a dairy farmer with his daddy and he decided

606
00:29:44,599 --> 00:29:47,680
to start rodeoing. He had gotten pretty good at riding

607
00:29:47,799 --> 00:29:51,359
horses and stuff, and his dad found out about it

608
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:54,000
and said, you cannot do that. You're gonna get hurt,

609
00:29:54,039 --> 00:29:56,920
You're gonna get killed. No sir, no way, no chance.

610
00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:58,799
But he made some pretty good money rodeo and he

611
00:29:58,839 --> 00:30:01,200
was pretty durned good at it, and so he had

612
00:30:01,279 --> 00:30:05,519
sneak away, sneaks away to be in the rodeo and

613
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:08,599
he says, what's the prize money, and he goes, well,

614
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:12,279
for kid like you, Slim Pickens, and he goes, yeah,

615
00:30:12,279 --> 00:30:13,960
that's my name, Slim Pickens.

616
00:30:14,039 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 1: Love it.

617
00:30:14,559 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 2: And that's how he gets his name, as he uses

618
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,559
a pseudonym for the rodeo, so his dad doesn't know

619
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:21,839
that he is rodeoing around.

620
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:23,480
Speaker 1: That is a fantastic story.

621
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:25,559
Speaker 2: Well give me the mind. He gets better.

622
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:26,039
Speaker 1: Okay.

623
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 2: He enlists in the army because World War two, right,

624
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:33,880
and so he goes and he when he's doing his enlistment,

625
00:30:34,039 --> 00:30:36,880
they say, what's your profession and he says, oh, I

626
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:41,400
did rodeo, And somehow that gets misread into radio and

627
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,240
he spends the entire time of his enlistment at a

628
00:30:44,319 --> 00:30:47,559
radio station in the Midwest, which is how he gets

629
00:30:47,599 --> 00:30:48,240
in entertainment.

630
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:49,039
Speaker 1: That's fantastic.

631
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, wow, you blow me away. All right. Let me

632
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,720
just touch on John Carrodine real quick. He's the unmistakable

633
00:30:55,799 --> 00:30:58,799
old man with the deepest voice you've ever heard in

634
00:30:58,839 --> 00:31:01,440
your life. Did you me imediately think of anything whenever

635
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:04,200
you saw when you heard him speak. No, I heard

636
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:06,920
that voice and I was like, that's the owl from

637
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,359
Secret of nim Sure enough it is.

638
00:31:09,559 --> 00:31:10,039
Speaker 1: Wow.

639
00:31:10,119 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 2: John Krodine, who is the father of David Carrodine, Keith

640
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:14,839
Carrodine and John Cardy.

641
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:15,359
Speaker 3: Yeah.

642
00:31:15,559 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 2: David Carrodine, by the way, in Q, which we just

643
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:21,160
talked about. Oh cool, okay, And we can't leave without

644
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,960
talking about a couple of important guys. All right. We've

645
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,559
got Dick Miller, who's in all of Joe Dante's movies

646
00:31:26,599 --> 00:31:28,920
because he was in so many of the Roger Corman movies,

647
00:31:29,039 --> 00:31:32,279
right right. You've got Kenneth Toby who've talked about before.

648
00:31:32,359 --> 00:31:34,359
He was the guy who was in the original the Thing.

649
00:31:34,599 --> 00:31:37,880
He was the gas station attendant in Grimlins. He's the

650
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:40,559
guy in Airplane who says he's a danger to everything

651
00:31:40,559 --> 00:31:45,119
in the air. Yes, birds too. And you've got Jim

652
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:50,240
mccrell as Lou Landers, who also is in Grimlins as

653
00:31:50,519 --> 00:31:54,119
Lou Landers. There you go, and is also in another

654
00:31:54,119 --> 00:31:57,079
Werewolf movie. He's the principal in Team Wolf.

655
00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 1: That's right.

656
00:31:58,240 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, what's himself?

657
00:32:02,119 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 1: That is fantastic. You're blowing my mind. So basically what

658
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:09,039
we're saying is the Howling and Grimlins take place in

659
00:32:09,079 --> 00:32:10,440
the same universe.

660
00:32:10,559 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 2: Absolutely, yes. Who As a matter of fact, if you

661
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:17,799
watch Grimlins closely on the refrigerator is a little smiley

662
00:32:17,839 --> 00:32:20,720
face that's just the calling card of Eddie Quist.

663
00:32:21,119 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 1: Yes, okay, let's go over to the casting of American

664
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:33,440
Werewolf in Lone. Okay, so you've got basically you've got

665
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:37,440
three main characters, right, yeah, I mean, say for the doctor. Okay,

666
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:39,880
So you've got Griffin Dunn who plays Jack Goodman. You've

667
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:43,119
got David Naughton who plays David Yep. You've got Jinny

668
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:48,119
Agutter who plays Nurse Price. All right, and you've got

669
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:52,839
John Woodvine, who plays Doctor Hirsch. Yes, okay, yep.

670
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 2: All right.

671
00:32:53,359 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 1: John Landis we've already said, is super energetic, super hyper.

672
00:32:57,720 --> 00:32:59,839
He's here, he's there, He's here, he's there. So Griffin

673
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,160
had never done a movie before, so he didn't even

674
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:05,440
really audition for this. He just shows up, shakes John

675
00:33:05,519 --> 00:33:07,640
Landers's hand. They talked for ten minutes and he's like,

676
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:10,880
you're Jack. Yeah, nice, Okay, that's all.

677
00:33:11,039 --> 00:33:11,319
Speaker 2: That's it.

678
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 1: That's it, you got it, okay. David Knaughton had done.

679
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:16,400
He was kind of famous for doing the Dr Pepper commercial.

680
00:33:16,559 --> 00:33:19,039
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you remember the Doctor Pepperer. Oh I absolutely do.

681
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:22,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm Pepper Pepper Pepper. Wouldn't you like to be Pepper?

682
00:33:22,519 --> 00:33:23,759
Two sang yeah.

683
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:26,559
Speaker 2: He was also in a TV series called Making It.

684
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:28,559
Speaker 1: He's the one who sings the theme song like.

685
00:33:28,559 --> 00:33:32,599
Speaker 2: Theme song to the TV series that he started in, which.

686
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:35,519
Speaker 1: Ends up being a top five hit. I said that

687
00:33:35,559 --> 00:33:38,319
to you the other day, and it is fantastic.

688
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:40,279
Speaker 2: It is disco at his past.

689
00:33:40,359 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 1: Let's listen to that, Ladies and gentlemen. Is the star

690
00:33:58,319 --> 00:34:00,359
of an American wor up in London singing disco.

691
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 2: It's good stuff.

692
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 1: It is good stuff. So when David Naughton met with

693
00:34:04,359 --> 00:34:08,360
John Landis, they sat down, they had a conversation and said,

694
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:10,760
well he was a pepper, I was a pepper. So

695
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:16,320
we hit it up. Then Ginny Augutor, she had been

696
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,039
an actress for a while, she had started as a dancer,

697
00:34:19,519 --> 00:34:22,440
had been like a child actor. Yeapirteen fourteen.

698
00:34:22,519 --> 00:34:25,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, she's very girl next door and I would

699
00:34:25,159 --> 00:34:26,599
not mind having her as my nurse.

700
00:34:27,519 --> 00:34:31,239
Speaker 1: Nurse price. So anyway, I was telling my son, he

701
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:34,039
was asking about this podcast. Ye, she is actually in

702
00:34:34,079 --> 00:34:36,400
the Winter Soldier. She plays a part. She's one of

703
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:40,239
the councilwomen in Winter Soldiers. So she's still doing stuff.

704
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 2: And if you don't remember her, she's the one that

705
00:34:43,119 --> 00:34:46,039
it turns out she's black widow in a costume. That's right,

706
00:34:46,119 --> 00:34:46,960
tears her face off.

707
00:34:47,039 --> 00:34:50,239
Speaker 1: That's right. Also, David Knatton just throwing this out there. Yeah,

708
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:53,880
David Knaton starred in the greatest ski movie of all time.

709
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:57,199
And as you know, I am a big skier and

710
00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,360
I'm a big fan of Hot Dog the movie.

711
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:04,079
Speaker 2: Oh my god, moving on, yeah, so just say this,

712
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:08,239
Griffin Dunn. Yes, so randomly, yesterday I'm watching The Hacks

713
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:13,159
with Casey right, and one of the characters mentions this author,

714
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:14,880
and I was like, oh, who's that. I'll look that

715
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:16,679
person up and I look her up and I'm like, oh,

716
00:35:16,679 --> 00:35:18,599
this is interesting. And then I see that there's been

717
00:35:19,079 --> 00:35:22,599
a documentary made about her life which has been pretty

718
00:35:22,639 --> 00:35:25,599
well received. And it turns out it's directed by her nephew,

719
00:35:26,039 --> 00:35:28,800
Griffin Dunn. It's like, oh wow, and I said, that's

720
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:30,639
the point I started researching him. Did you know that

721
00:35:30,679 --> 00:35:33,800
Griffin Dunn's sister was in Poltergeist?

722
00:35:34,119 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 1: No?

723
00:35:35,199 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 2: She plays the teenage daughter in Poltergeist, which is interesting enough.

724
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:43,159
I didn't know that. But she's she died like the

725
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:48,599
nex Yeah, boyfriend, abusive boyfriend kills her and then ends

726
00:35:48,679 --> 00:35:52,360
up only getting three years for voluntary manslaughter.

727
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,639
Speaker 1: I'm familiar with some of the Poltergeist story, which we

728
00:35:55,679 --> 00:35:56,800
need to talk about sometimes.

729
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:57,079
Speaker 2: Yeah.

730
00:35:57,159 --> 00:35:59,199
Speaker 1: I did not know that was Griffin Dud's sister.

731
00:35:59,440 --> 00:35:59,840
Speaker 2: Yeah.

732
00:36:00,079 --> 00:36:02,119
Speaker 1: Wow, crazy, Okay, I'm gonna blow your mind for a minute.

733
00:36:02,599 --> 00:36:03,039
Speaker 2: Yes. Yeah.

734
00:36:03,199 --> 00:36:05,159
Speaker 1: John Lannis was very clear that he wanted to hire

735
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:09,320
two young not even men yet, like there's still boyish

736
00:36:09,519 --> 00:36:13,199
right right, college students, but he was very specific he

737
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:17,360
wanted unknown actors right the studio said how about Dan

738
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:19,239
Aykroyd and John Belushi.

739
00:36:19,559 --> 00:36:22,800
Speaker 2: I saw that. I saw that. How weird of a

740
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:24,400
movie would that have been?

741
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:28,079
Speaker 1: That would have been much harder to distinguish between comedy

742
00:36:28,119 --> 00:36:30,760
and horror, Oh for sure. It would also would have

743
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:33,599
been very cool to see John Belushi torn to shreds

744
00:36:33,639 --> 00:36:34,159
at the beginning?

745
00:36:34,199 --> 00:36:36,360
Speaker 2: Which one of them dies, which one of them dies,

746
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:38,119
which one of them is Jack? And which one of

747
00:36:38,119 --> 00:36:38,639
them's data?

748
00:36:38,679 --> 00:36:39,719
Speaker 1: I think it is John Belushi.

749
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:44,280
Speaker 2: It's got to be right, because he's slower, right, I

750
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:47,519
think was he ran track? Right? He was in the

751
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:48,760
that's true? Right?

752
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:51,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, So here's an interesting thing for you. So

753
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:53,800
Frank Oz is actually in American War from.

754
00:36:53,639 --> 00:36:56,159
Speaker 2: London, yeah, right, in all of John Landis's movies except

755
00:36:56,159 --> 00:36:58,719
for Coming to America, where when they get to the airport,

756
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,800
they announced, Frank Oshowitz please pick up.

757
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:04,360
Speaker 1: That's right. Yeah, we talked about that. Yeah. So Frank

758
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:07,599
Oz is the American delegate mister Collins, right, okay, and

759
00:37:07,639 --> 00:37:10,800
he's the one who's like, mister Kessler, calm down, right, okay.

760
00:37:11,039 --> 00:37:13,519
So he and if you listen, then I'm like, that

761
00:37:13,679 --> 00:37:16,920
is miss Piggy talking right now. Yeah, okay, So he

762
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:20,119
actually plays two parts in this movie. You know, one

763
00:37:20,119 --> 00:37:21,039
part is mister.

764
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:22,800
Speaker 2: Collins and the other part's Miss Picky.

765
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:23,880
Speaker 1: The other parts miss Piggy.

766
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:27,079
Speaker 2: Yep, there's a part where they're watching and this is interesting.

767
00:37:27,119 --> 00:37:29,199
I didn't really pick up on this before, but it's

768
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:32,719
all over this movie. You've got the Muppets, and you've

769
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:35,960
got Mickey Mouse, and you've got Donald Duck, and they

770
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:41,719
are all animals who are otherwise anthropomorphic like humans. Okay,

771
00:37:42,079 --> 00:37:46,480
And during the change scene, just to let you know

772
00:37:46,519 --> 00:37:50,119
if this isn't just a coincidence, during the change scene,

773
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:52,840
there's a moment where he's just looking right at Mickey Mouse,

774
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:55,320
who's just smiling back at him. That's Donald Duck is

775
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:56,480
on the banister behind it.

776
00:37:56,920 --> 00:38:00,519
Speaker 1: Interesting. Yeah, you know that that Muppet show, that particular

777
00:38:00,599 --> 00:38:03,320
Muppet show that you see in an American world from London,

778
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:08,519
was never shown in the United States. Violent so Americans

779
00:38:08,599 --> 00:38:11,440
just think, wow, they made a special Muppet show for

780
00:38:11,559 --> 00:38:13,639
the movie. Yeah, it's not the case. They just didn't

781
00:38:13,639 --> 00:38:14,239
show in the US.

782
00:38:14,559 --> 00:38:15,800
Speaker 2: Was punching Judy's going on?

783
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:16,039
Speaker 3: Right?

784
00:38:16,119 --> 00:38:16,320
Speaker 1: Yeah?

785
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:16,840
Speaker 2: What it is?

786
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 1: Punching Judy. Michael Beck, who was in The Warriors, was

787
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:24,840
considered for the part of David Kessler. Okay, okay, but

788
00:38:25,039 --> 00:38:28,639
PolyGram didn't want him because he had been in Xanadu

789
00:38:28,679 --> 00:38:29,679
and Xanadu flopped.

790
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:30,400
Speaker 2: Okay.

791
00:38:30,519 --> 00:38:32,639
Speaker 1: I think it's interesting that David Knaughton had a crush

792
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:33,679
on Jenny Outigator.

793
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:34,119
Speaker 2: He did.

794
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:35,239
Speaker 1: I don't blame him.

795
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 2: Well, the shower scene, dude, we've talked about this.

796
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:40,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, I called you this week and I said, there

797
00:38:40,679 --> 00:38:44,599
are jobs where your your job is to make out

798
00:38:44,599 --> 00:38:47,159
with Jenny Agutor for two days in the shower naked,

799
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:49,320
naked naked and get paid.

800
00:38:49,519 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, which sounds nice, But I don't know that seems

801
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:53,960
like after a while you'd get a little awkward.

802
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, you'd be Yeah. So they were supposed to be

803
00:38:57,519 --> 00:39:00,880
college students, but David Natton was thirty, Griffin was twenty six,

804
00:39:01,039 --> 00:39:03,079
and they didn't know each other at all before filming.

805
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:06,039
Speaker 2: He was thirty, he was thirty. That means he's seventy

806
00:39:06,119 --> 00:39:06,559
right now.

807
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:08,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's nuts.

808
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:08,519
Speaker 3: Yeah.

809
00:39:08,559 --> 00:39:10,679
Speaker 1: The interesting thing. So they didn't know each other at

810
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:13,480
all before they started filming, but because they were from

811
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:16,400
the same part of the United States, Northeast, Connecticut, I think,

812
00:39:17,119 --> 00:39:20,320
and they were also the only Americans in the crew,

813
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:21,800
so they became fast friends.

814
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:24,639
Speaker 2: They're the only Americans in the whole thing.

815
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:27,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I mean John Landis.

816
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, no, I guess so.

817
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:31,840
Speaker 1: So listen to this. When they were casting for Jack,

818
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:35,559
before they had hired Griffin Dunne British Filming Board whoever

819
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:38,880
looks over all this stuff and okays their filming permits

820
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:42,639
and stuff. They said, everything was fine except the part

821
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:44,800
of Jack. We would like that to go to an

822
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:47,760
English boy. There's no reason why an English actor can't

823
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:51,119
play an American. And John Landis is like, look, dude,

824
00:39:51,199 --> 00:39:53,280
that's the guy I want. They're like, no, we really

825
00:39:53,519 --> 00:39:55,760
and they started to squeeze him. He's like, you know what,

826
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:58,199
I'll just change this to be an American world from Paris.

827
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:01,719
Thank you very much, see you later. And they're like okay,

828
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:03,440
and then they caved.

829
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:05,719
Speaker 2: So it's interesting that you say that. So do you

830
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:08,760
know how they decided to make that first scene in Wales.

831
00:40:09,199 --> 00:40:09,400
Speaker 1: No.

832
00:40:09,519 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 2: When he started doing his research, he was like, okay,

833
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:16,960
where have the most you know where wolf sightings occurred

834
00:40:17,639 --> 00:40:21,639
and the answer is France and Wales. And since he

835
00:40:21,639 --> 00:40:23,840
didn't speak French, he went with Wales.

836
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:24,280
Speaker 1: Okay.

837
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:25,800
Speaker 2: So but as it turns out, he was willing to

838
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:26,880
go to France too. I guess.

839
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, speaking of let's just talk, should we talk about

840
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:30,639
sequels for right now?

841
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:32,639
Speaker 2: We can do it because it needs to be done,

842
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:34,639
and he did before we get.

843
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:38,199
Speaker 1: Let's talk about sequels real quick. Yeah, I've seen an

844
00:40:38,199 --> 00:40:39,400
American World from Paris.

845
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:40,880
Speaker 2: I have too. Saw it in the theater.

846
00:40:41,119 --> 00:40:41,760
Speaker 1: I did too.

847
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:43,639
Speaker 2: We probably both saw it in Tulsa.

848
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:46,800
Speaker 1: It was okay. See I had free tickets and I

849
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:47,480
was pissed.

850
00:40:47,199 --> 00:40:49,679
Speaker 2: Ian were they ever? Openny?

851
00:40:50,079 --> 00:40:52,719
Speaker 1: Yes? And I feel like kind of a jerk because

852
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:55,480
I had a friend who won free tickets and thought, hey,

853
00:40:55,599 --> 00:40:57,480
let's all go together. And then I was kind of

854
00:40:57,480 --> 00:40:59,679
an irate jerk after I got out of there because

855
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:00,960
it was so bad.

856
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:01,679
Speaker 3: It was.

857
00:41:02,079 --> 00:41:05,079
Speaker 2: I mean, the story wasn't a particularly well done story,

858
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:09,119
but the werewolves were CGI, and they weren't just CGI,

859
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:14,239
they were nineteen nineties CGI. And it was not Jurassic Park.

860
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:14,559
Speaker 3: Right.

861
00:41:14,639 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 2: It was horrible.

862
00:41:16,519 --> 00:41:19,079
Speaker 1: It was horrible, really horrible. Something should have called Rick Baker.

863
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 2: That's all I have to say about that.

864
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:22,320
Speaker 1: Have you seen the Howling Part two?

865
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:27,480
Speaker 2: I've seen the ending credits that, Oh my gosh.

866
00:41:27,519 --> 00:41:30,079
Speaker 1: So they went to Elizabeth Brooks and asked her back

867
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:32,880
after she was mad at them for showing too much

868
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:35,719
of her boobs, right, and they said, guess what more

869
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:39,119
boobs on display in part two? She said nope, I'm out.

870
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:39,679
Speaker 2: Yeah.

871
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:41,679
Speaker 1: So they got Sybil Danning to be like the.

872
00:41:42,079 --> 00:41:44,159
Speaker 2: Who has no trouble at all showing her boobs, right,

873
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:46,599
But as it turns out, she was kind of tired

874
00:41:46,599 --> 00:41:48,960
of being that girl and she's like, I don't want

875
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:50,039
to do that. I don't want to do that in

876
00:41:50,039 --> 00:41:51,840
this movie. They're like, well, that's kind of why we

877
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:55,519
came to you, and she's like, okay, once, one time,

878
00:41:55,599 --> 00:41:58,039
I will do it. One one boob take and that

879
00:41:58,199 --> 00:42:01,800
is it. That is all one, right, And so they're like, great,

880
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:04,079
sounds great. Now. They had all kinds of other boobies

881
00:42:04,079 --> 00:42:06,880
in the movie, but they took her scene where she's

882
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:09,880
ripping her shirt off, right, and in the ending credits

883
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:15,679
it is shown no less than fourteen times.

884
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, let's capitalize on what we got. Keep

885
00:42:20,039 --> 00:42:22,360
showing that. In the closing credits.

886
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:24,840
Speaker 2: Tho credits it was used like the rhythm section.

887
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:30,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's awesome.

888
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:33,639
Speaker 2: Before we leave casting on American were Wolf in London,

889
00:42:33,679 --> 00:42:35,880
we got to mention some stuff because we got we

890
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:38,360
got a decent fan base over in the UK, and

891
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:41,280
there are some guys that are not as familiar to us,

892
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:43,519
but for the folks in the UK, they are well

893
00:42:43,559 --> 00:42:47,679
known faces. You've got David Schofield, who he's been in

894
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:49,800
like all of the Pirates of the Caribbean movie. He

895
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:52,960
was like the evil a lot of them anyway, he's great.

896
00:42:53,039 --> 00:42:56,239
You've got Brian Glover playing the chess. You've got Leela

897
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:58,800
Kay and you've got Rick Mayol, who you will know

898
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:02,679
from Drop Dead. Yes, so he was Fred. He was

899
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:05,639
the drop Dead Friday. He was a comedy actor out there.

900
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:08,920
And then there's one This is interesting, just a brief

901
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:12,880
scene of the bus driver when everything's chaos, yeah, in

902
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:16,159
the streets, right right, the brief scene of the bus driver.

903
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:20,920
And the actor's name is Vic Armstrong. Okay. He was

904
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:25,559
the stunt man for both Christopher Reeve in Superman and

905
00:43:25,679 --> 00:43:28,440
Harrison Ford in not only Raiders of the Lost Arc

906
00:43:28,519 --> 00:43:32,320
but basically everything. Like he was the go to stuntman

907
00:43:32,519 --> 00:43:33,440
for Harrison Ford.

908
00:43:33,519 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 1: That's amazing. Well you bring that up. John Landis had

909
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:39,360
a background in being a stunt man. Yep, there's an

910
00:43:39,559 --> 00:43:41,599
awesome scene and you are blowing my mind right now.

911
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:41,880
Speaker 2: Yep.

912
00:43:42,039 --> 00:43:45,039
Speaker 1: To continue with that thought, there's a scene where a

913
00:43:45,119 --> 00:43:48,119
bus hits a man knocks him through a window during

914
00:43:48,119 --> 00:43:51,719
the chaotic scene of Piccadilly Service yep, and that's John Landis. Yeah,

915
00:43:52,079 --> 00:43:56,039
so he and he gets tagged man not through the window, right, Yeah,

916
00:43:56,039 --> 00:43:56,559
it's awesome.

917
00:43:56,639 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 2: Yeah. That I think is probably the most unsettling scene

918
00:44:00,199 --> 00:44:03,199
of the whole It's not the weirdwolf victims that are

919
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:05,920
unsettling to me. It's seeing the people go flying through

920
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:08,480
the glass and then run over in the streets and

921
00:44:08,519 --> 00:44:12,239
then laying there and broken glass. It's pretty horrific.

922
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:12,639
Speaker 3: Yeah.

923
00:44:13,159 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 2: And what's interesting about that that was the first time

924
00:44:16,079 --> 00:44:19,840
in fifteen years they had let a film be filmed

925
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:23,760
in Piccadilly Circus. And the way that he got it

926
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:27,039
was he went to the police, the local police, and

927
00:44:27,079 --> 00:44:30,960
he said, I will give you a free showing of

928
00:44:31,039 --> 00:44:34,639
the Blues Brothers and they all came to see the

929
00:44:34,679 --> 00:44:37,239
Blues Brothers together and they were so impressed that they said,

930
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:39,639
all right, we will let you film on the streets

931
00:44:39,679 --> 00:44:43,280
of Piccadilly Circus. And it was like from one am

932
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:46,320
to four am, so that entire scene they had filmed

933
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:48,360
in just that really short time span.

934
00:44:48,559 --> 00:44:51,199
Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, all right, So just a couple of tidbits

935
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:55,320
on production for American warwol from London. Okay. The reason

936
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why John Landis really wanted to do London you mentioned

937
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the fact that they spoke English definitely helps.

938
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

939
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 1: One of the things he said was London was horror central. Right,

940
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:08,199
that's the place of Jack the Ripper and jackal and

941
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:11,880
Hyde and the Werewolf of London, right, And he wanted

942
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:16,880
that Gothic Victorian London feel. Yeah, and as an American,

943
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:19,320
it is unsettling to be away from your home country,

944
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:22,079
so it it kind of added to the to the tension.

945
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:22,559
Speaker 2: Yep.

946
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 1: Also, in order to get an R rating, he had

947
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:29,519
to tone down the sex scene and cut out apart

948
00:45:29,599 --> 00:45:31,320
where Jack ate a piece of toast and it fell

949
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:36,480
out of his throat. He also dropped a scene where

950
00:45:36,519 --> 00:45:39,599
the werewolf kills three homeless men. You actually run into

951
00:45:39,599 --> 00:45:41,840
those guys in the theater and get to meet those.

952
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:44,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, you see them before they're killed and after they killed,

953
00:45:44,639 --> 00:45:45,760
but not while they're killed.

954
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Speaker 1: Right. All right, guys, we're gonna take a quick break.

955
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:50,840
Speaker 2: We want to give you guys access to our new feature,

956
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:53,679
which is the Shirley showcase we have got from the

957
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:55,960
thirty something movie podcast.

958
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:59,400
Speaker 1: Mister Pat Cannagallo, he's given his opinion on Deaf Lewards

959
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:03,360
Pyromania album versus def Leopards Hysteria album. Here's from Pat.

960
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:06,559
Speaker 3: Hey, guys, Pat here with final judgment on def Leopards

961
00:46:06,599 --> 00:46:12,639
Pyromania versus def Leopards Hysteria. Two great albums, one amazing

962
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:15,719
awesome band. Like, how are we gonna decide this? That's

963
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:18,159
that is my dilemma. So I have gone back and forth.

964
00:46:18,199 --> 00:46:21,000
I have waffled. I have one day been ready to

965
00:46:21,039 --> 00:46:23,559
come in and say Pyromania, the next day come in

966
00:46:23,639 --> 00:46:26,079
ready to say Hysteria. I gotta be honest, I don't

967
00:46:26,079 --> 00:46:27,880
think I can say which one is the Obviously, I

968
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:30,119
can't say which one's the better album, Which one do

969
00:46:30,199 --> 00:46:33,159
I like more? Again, I don't know if I can

970
00:46:33,199 --> 00:46:34,960
do that. So I think what I'm gonna do is

971
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just note what I see is the differences. Right, So Pyromania,

972
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:41,079
fantastic album, fantastic album.

973
00:46:41,119 --> 00:46:43,639
Speaker 1: The band sounds awesome, You've.

974
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Speaker 3: Got great tunes. You've got some that have a little

975
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:47,920
bit more metal to them. Some that are a little

976
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:51,880
bit more classic rock. You have the stadium rock anthem tune,

977
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:56,000
great vocals, drum work, incredible guitar solos. The songs are

978
00:46:56,039 --> 00:46:58,679
interesting to listen to, right, You get interesting intros, you

979
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:02,559
get interesting outtro those great solos, the whole thing. I mean,

980
00:47:02,599 --> 00:47:04,800
if you want to rock, that's the album to do

981
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:05,119
it too.

982
00:47:05,679 --> 00:47:06,280
Speaker 1: Hysteria.

983
00:47:06,639 --> 00:47:09,880
Speaker 3: What do I gotta say about Hysteria? Also phenomenal rock

984
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:12,840
and roll album. Love listening to it. When I think

985
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:15,039
of def Leppard, I think of Hysteria. When I think

986
00:47:15,079 --> 00:47:18,599
of def Leppard's characteristic sound, I think of the album Hysteria.

987
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:21,119
It's like the melodies, the guitar riffs that they're playing

988
00:47:21,199 --> 00:47:22,920
kind of go up to another level. It'd be a

989
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:24,639
bad pun to say they take it up to eleven,

990
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:27,480
but the guitar riffs are like a different level. They're

991
00:47:27,639 --> 00:47:29,760
just that much more interesting. The songs are just that

992
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:32,960
much more complex. Again, great rock. You got pour some

993
00:47:33,079 --> 00:47:35,440
sugar on me. I remember when that thing came out.

994
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:37,199
I remember when the video came out and it showed

995
00:47:37,199 --> 00:47:39,480
that they had the laser show on stage on the video.

996
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:43,119
Just incredible, incredible music. So if I had to pick

997
00:47:43,159 --> 00:47:44,920
a favorite. I couldn't. If I had to pick a

998
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:47,199
better album, I certainly couldn't. I guess if I'm going

999
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:49,239
to do final judgment, I'll have to give the nod

1000
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:52,360
to Hysteria, because that, to me is like def Leppard's

1001
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:55,360
characteristic sound. When I think def Leppard, I think of

1002
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:59,079
the album Hysteria. Still, I listened to Pyromania, and I'm

1003
00:47:59,079 --> 00:48:01,079
like just rocking all the way through that one. So

1004
00:48:01,119 --> 00:48:02,239
maybe I'll say Pyromania.

1005
00:48:03,079 --> 00:48:04,519
Speaker 1: No, I'll stick with Hysteria.

1006
00:48:04,599 --> 00:48:06,159
Speaker 3: All right. I don't know how I'm gonna decide. I

1007
00:48:06,159 --> 00:48:08,199
think I'll just listen to them both and then throw

1008
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:11,000
on adrenalize for good measure. All Right, guys, love the show.

1009
00:48:11,079 --> 00:48:12,440
You're doing a fantastic job.

1010
00:48:16,079 --> 00:48:18,440
Speaker 2: Wow, oh man, I love Pat. Pat is one of

1011
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:20,960
my favorite guys in the whole wide world. He is

1012
00:48:21,159 --> 00:48:25,079
always mentioning us on their podcast. I love listening to him,

1013
00:48:25,519 --> 00:48:28,079
and I totally get it. It's a really hard decision

1014
00:48:28,119 --> 00:48:28,360
to make.

1015
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:34,079
Speaker 1: Pat knows how to appreciate awesomeness. What can you say,

1016
00:48:34,079 --> 00:48:35,480
but these two albums are awesome.

1017
00:48:35,599 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 2: They are They're truly incredible, And when we did our podcast,

1018
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:41,480
I was sure I was picking Hysteria and then Pyromania

1019
00:48:41,559 --> 00:48:44,440
snuck up and won me over. Definitely go check that out.

1020
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:46,599
If you haven't heard it yet, definitely go check out

1021
00:48:46,599 --> 00:48:49,599
the thirty something Movie Podcast. If you are not familiar

1022
00:48:49,679 --> 00:48:51,639
with that. Those guys are awesome. Take a look at

1023
00:48:51,639 --> 00:48:56,039
movies from thirty years ago and give some incredible insight

1024
00:48:56,119 --> 00:48:57,519
and discussion. It's great stuff.

1025
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Speaker 1: That's right. Pat's a great guy. He never has a

1026
00:48:59,639 --> 00:49:02,239
bad way to say about anybody. I mean, we could

1027
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:04,119
bring him on and talk Josh for it. He would

1028
00:49:04,159 --> 00:49:09,719
find the great things about that mate. Check them out

1029
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:11,679
on the thirtieth The Movie Podcast, Pat, thank you so

1030
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:14,880
much for weighing in on def leverards, Pyramania, and Hysteria.

1031
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:18,320
Speaker 2: So that does it for this episode. Be sure to

1032
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:21,840
check us out next week. Be sure and whatever podcast

1033
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app you're using to hit that follow button or subscribe

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1035
00:49:27,679 --> 00:49:29,920
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1036
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Can't Be Serious Podcast.

1037
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Speaker 3: To romance need the cover of Thomas Guys.

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Speaker 2: You know the leaser