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<v Speaker 1>Seven six fifty five Carosity Detalk Station, A very happy

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<v Speaker 1>Thursday to you, made even happier and extra special the

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<v Speaker 1>return of the Honorable Kenneth J. Blackwell. Currently he's a

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<v Speaker 1>chair for the Center of Election Integrity over the American

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<v Speaker 1>First Policy Insto. We all know him as former mayor

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<v Speaker 1>of the City of Cincinnati, Treasurer of the State of Ohio,

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<v Speaker 1>and Ohio Secretary of State, author and intellectual genius. He

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<v Speaker 1>is Ken Blackwell. Welcome back to the fifty five Carssee

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<v Speaker 1>morning show, my friend. It's always a pleasure having you.

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<v Speaker 2>On top of the morning Brian. Good to be with you.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's dive in on to tariffs. I think one

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<v Speaker 1>of the most eye opening things which really was flying

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<v Speaker 1>under everybody's radar. Donald Trump talked about reciprocal tariffs and

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<v Speaker 1>talked about, you know, we're being tariffed and never really

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<v Speaker 1>saw the flesh on the bones of the state and well,

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<v Speaker 1>when you get a full list of the one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and fifty or so tariffs along with what those countries

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<v Speaker 1>have been for a long time charging us, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>real eye open Like for example, China Lovey's a sixty

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<v Speaker 1>seven percent tariff on US we're now at fifty four percent.

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<v Speaker 1>But across the board, you know, Cambodia charges ninety seven

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<v Speaker 1>percent on all of our goods. We're now at We

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<v Speaker 1>just flapped a forty nine percent tariff on Cambodia. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know how much trade we have with them, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's looks like that across the board. It has been

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<v Speaker 1>an unfair playing field for a long time. And I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just waking up to this cold water dose reality, Ken

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<v Speaker 1>because I was a little concerned.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh I am too. I look free and fair trade,

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<v Speaker 2>we sort of forget that turn of phrase free and

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<v Speaker 2>fair trade. With Donald Trump has understood for a long

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<v Speaker 2>time is that there has not been fair trade and

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<v Speaker 2>if it's not fair and it's not free. And so

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<v Speaker 2>he's just trying to balance the scale. And I think that,

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<v Speaker 2>like you, initially, I was saying, Okay, this guy's going

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<v Speaker 2>against the orthodoxy of free traders, and in the final analysis,

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<v Speaker 2>he's understood better than most what is at the essence

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<v Speaker 2>of free and fair trade. And like I said, and

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<v Speaker 2>like you just described, he's balancing the scale. And I

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<v Speaker 2>think that he also has an understanding something that you

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<v Speaker 2>and I have talked about before, and that is the

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<v Speaker 2>nature of capital. Capital seeks the path of lease resistance

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<v Speaker 2>and greatest opportunity. And what he is trying to do

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<v Speaker 2>is to create an environment where capital is in sight

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<v Speaker 2>attracted back to the United States. And what he is

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<v Speaker 2>using as a guide post is what he was able

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<v Speaker 2>to do in his first term when he changed the

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<v Speaker 2>direction of about three billion dollars in capital, and that

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<v Speaker 2>translated into economic growth, job creation, putting people back to

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<v Speaker 2>work and giving them a chance to to build a

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<v Speaker 2>better future for for themselves and and and their families. Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>And so I mean this, this is this is uh

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<v Speaker 2>a tough but I think a pretty smart call on

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<v Speaker 2>on his part. Uh. And the one thing that uh

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<v Speaker 2>he knows and that you and I have talked about before,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'll use a Turner phrase of the great Satchure page,

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<v Speaker 2>and that is that it is damn difficult to steal

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<v Speaker 2>second base if you want to keep a foot on

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<v Speaker 2>first base. Uh. Great face, great a great base. Run

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<v Speaker 2>us actually know how to take a risk and and

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<v Speaker 2>and and this is a measured risk of doing the

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<v Speaker 2>right thing, even in the playing field. Uh. So Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>that's that's where we are.

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<v Speaker 3>And Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the things that he also understands that you

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<v Speaker 2>and I have talked about over the years is that

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<v Speaker 2>dogs don't bark at park cars, and so he has

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<v Speaker 2>to go wow dogs because they're not just bucking like uh,

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<v Speaker 2>like crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>A couple of great analogies there. I love it, Ken Blackwell,

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<v Speaker 1>Now I think we have to acknowledge there's going to

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<v Speaker 1>be some at least short term pain. If we get

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<v Speaker 1>some business back in the United States, the long term

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<v Speaker 1>gains could be very significant. That'd be wonderful for the

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<v Speaker 1>US economy and for US job creation. But if you

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<v Speaker 1>are imposing UH tariffs on imported goods, and lord knows

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<v Speaker 1>we import a lot of goods, it is going to

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<v Speaker 1>have somewhat of an inflationary effect, is it not.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure it's going to have a long sustaining

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<v Speaker 2>inflationary effect, but you're right. I mean, there will be

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<v Speaker 2>some ratchet up of prices. But look, one of the

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<v Speaker 2>things that we I think we should come to realize

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<v Speaker 2>is that there has been a mindless destruction of manufacturing

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<v Speaker 2>capacity UH in the United States. It is not that

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<v Speaker 2>we've done totally away with our capacity to manufactured goods

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<v Speaker 2>and to generate service service. A broader service industry. But

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<v Speaker 2>we have done I think, great damage to our manufacturing capacity. Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's one of the things that he's trying to

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<v Speaker 2>to h to re establish, and that is a manufacturing

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<v Speaker 2>base that is that is growing at a rate that

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<v Speaker 2>not only creates jobs, but puts us back in control of.

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<v Speaker 3>Our national national security.

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<v Speaker 2>And so yeah, sometimes you just can't have You can't

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<v Speaker 2>build muscle mass without in tract build enough a little

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<v Speaker 2>muscle fatigue. Yes, sure, as you well.

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<v Speaker 1>Ken Blackwell, isn't a lot of the problem with difficulty

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<v Speaker 1>in manufacturing this country and losing manufacturing capacity in this

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<v Speaker 1>country the product of self inflicted wounds. I mean, regulation

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<v Speaker 1>burden is insane, Environmental burdens are insane, Litigation burdens are crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>And this whole idea of climate change, I mean it's

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<v Speaker 1>a preposterous notion. I think we can get enough energy

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<v Speaker 1>to run these run our business and industry with windmills

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<v Speaker 1>and solar panels. And yet that's what is inflicted on us.

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<v Speaker 1>It's cost, it's driven the price of energy up. It's

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<v Speaker 1>only been recently that we're now trying to at least

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<v Speaker 1>the conceptual idea of embracing nuclear power, which seems to

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<v Speaker 1>have satisfied all the climate change alarmist needs because it

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't produce any emissions. And they have modular reactors now

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<v Speaker 1>which are easily built, very small footprint, and can well,

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<v Speaker 1>let's face it, it can run an entire artificial intelligence

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<v Speaker 1>computer network. And that's why I think we're getting there.

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<v Speaker 1>But the Trump administration is lisa taking in all the

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<v Speaker 1>above approach, which should lower the cost of doing business

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<v Speaker 1>in the United States.

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<v Speaker 2>Couldn't sid couldn't have said it any better myself, Brian. Look,

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<v Speaker 2>he understands that high taxes bundles over red tape. Again

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<v Speaker 2>going back to what we said, that runs capital away,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, creating an atmosphere where capital seeks the path

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<v Speaker 2>for leases distance and greatest opportunity. And one of the

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<v Speaker 2>realities is the way we were able to build an

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<v Speaker 2>accelerated UH growth in our economy and create jobs was

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<v Speaker 2>was that we in fact had created an environment that

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<v Speaker 2>attracted capital and and and look it's it's it's been

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<v Speaker 2>smart even in Cincinnati. UH the times of our most

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<v Speaker 2>productive period of our most productive periods of time had

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<v Speaker 2>had it's been when we in fact have adopted policies

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<v Speaker 2>that expand the UH low tax rates, but expand the

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<v Speaker 2>tax base so that you have actually more people working,

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<v Speaker 2>more people giving. And that's that's a real smart approach.

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<v Speaker 2>But when you start to tax, when you start to

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<v Speaker 2>chase food's dreams, when you start to put bundles of

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<v Speaker 2>of uh regulations on on capital, what we see as

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<v Speaker 3>Uh and and and in.

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<v Speaker 2>The audience, just look at Cincinnati when you've had bundles

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<v Speaker 2>of red tape, when you've had high taxes, We've had

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<v Speaker 2>a very difficult time keeping.

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<v Speaker 3>Our jobs and our.

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<v Speaker 2>Tax producers. Yeah, and and and that that same applies for.

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<v Speaker 3>The United States.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh and and President Trump has has a strategy. It's

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's it's it's worked. Uh And again, Uh, this

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<v Speaker 2>guy is willing to put the chips on on on

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<v Speaker 2>this play, stendorships on this play.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, Ken Black Life can only hope that the mayor

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<v Speaker 1>and the members of the city Council heard your words

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<v Speaker 1>in that regard, because they're going to the polar opposite direction.

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<v Speaker 1>And I don't need to dwell on the City of

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<v Speaker 1>Cincinnati issues, but Lord Almighty micromanaging neighborhoods telling them they

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<v Speaker 1>can and cannot do the regulatory burdens and challenges to

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<v Speaker 1>businesses or living spaces. That's all basically been roadblocked by

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<v Speaker 1>our city council, and it's not doing anything by way

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<v Speaker 1>of bringing people into a welcoming environment that facilitates what

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<v Speaker 1>you're talking about. Well, let's pivot over real quick on

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<v Speaker 1>this whole idea. You know, at one point, I think

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<v Speaker 1>Elon Musk the darling of the global warming climate change people,

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<v Speaker 1>because he created the best electric vehicle on the planet

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<v Speaker 1>and everybody wanted one, either the virtue signal or because

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<v Speaker 1>they love the way the car works and operates it's

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<v Speaker 1>zero emissions. But then this happens. Elon must starts identifying

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<v Speaker 1>how much fraud, waste and abuse there is in government.

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<v Speaker 1>He hasn't stopped Social Security, Medicare, or Medicaid, but he

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<v Speaker 1>sure has identified a whole lot of areas where there

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<v Speaker 1>is fraud, waste, and abuse. That sounds like a good

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<v Speaker 1>thing for everybody. It's going to keep the programs alive

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<v Speaker 1>for longer because he's eliminated the opportunity for people to

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<v Speaker 1>up off the American taxpayer. And yet he's become this

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<v Speaker 1>evil nazi fascist, call it what you will. They're vandalizing automobiles,

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<v Speaker 1>they're calling for his head. This makes absolutely no sense.

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<v Speaker 1>Ken Blackwell, can you make any sense of it or

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<v Speaker 1>can you at least react to what's going on with

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<v Speaker 1>Elon musk.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's just this gangster opportunism on the part of

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<v Speaker 2>the radical radical left and the weaknees in the Democrat Party.

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<v Speaker 2>They know that President Trump had been elected by a

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<v Speaker 2>clear majority of the voting electric that he in fact

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<v Speaker 2>had got three hundred and twelve Electoral College volks, which

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<v Speaker 2>is a hefty margin, well over two seven needed. So

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<v Speaker 2>and he's a fighter. So they what they've done. They

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<v Speaker 2>picked the target that they were angry with because in

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<v Speaker 2>their view, he had abandoned them too. He is a

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<v Speaker 2>white South African uh and and and therefore and he

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<v Speaker 2>was rich and so for the radical left, that made

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<v Speaker 2>him a much easier target than a popularly elect their president.

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<v Speaker 2>And so that's what they're trying to because they they've

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<v Speaker 2>found him at their rich target of opportunity to start

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<v Speaker 2>to weaken what they see as a as an alliance

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<v Speaker 2>that that's pretty hard to beat. So they tried to

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<v Speaker 2>chip away using using the themes of the Hollywood and

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<v Speaker 2>that is create the venom.

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<v Speaker 1>And well, and they're incapable of explaining why exactly it

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<v Speaker 1>is they think it's okay to burn up a tesla.

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<v Speaker 4>You.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you've seen interview after interview or efforts to

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<v Speaker 1>speak with some of these people by members of the

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<v Speaker 1>press and other citizen journalists, and they just don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about it, it seems to me, and I

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<v Speaker 1>want to get your reaction to this conclusion that I've reached.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, social media and when you have well funded

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<v Speaker 1>far left individuals, you know, I throw out George Soros

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<v Speaker 1>is a great illustration, but other well funded organizations you

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<v Speaker 1>can easily get people together. Useful idiots is what I

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<v Speaker 1>call them, to make a great showing. And yet I

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<v Speaker 1>firmly believe they are a small sliver of the population.

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<v Speaker 1>They just show up in what appear to be large

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<v Speaker 1>numbers because they've been given orders to show up. We're

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<v Speaker 1>going to be there from you know, eight am to

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<v Speaker 1>noon on a Friday this particular day, and you get

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<v Speaker 1>two hundred three undred people show up. It gets a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of media press, but that's it. The most of

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<v Speaker 1>us say, no, we shouldn't be spending twenty billion dollars

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<v Speaker 1>on you know, Assesame Street program in Iraq or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean that logic and reason trumps all of these

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<v Speaker 1>useful idiots.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh absolutely. And what we what we actually have to

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<v Speaker 2>keep our focus on is that we are the real target.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, Elon is just an instrument as far as

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<v Speaker 2>they're as far as they're concerned, and as you just describe,

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<v Speaker 2>they have tried to define the target and the enemy.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, Lewis Carroll through his character Humpty Dumpy once

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<v Speaker 2>said he who defines is the masters. And so they

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<v Speaker 2>are trying to define the characters of this play so

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<v Speaker 2>that their war strategy, their tax strategy is easier for

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<v Speaker 2>them to implement and accomplish. I will just tell you

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<v Speaker 2>we need to understand that we the base of support

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<v Speaker 2>for this forward looking economic expansion, national security strengthening strategy

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<v Speaker 2>of Trump is we are the target. Yeah, our will

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<v Speaker 2>you know, that's the that's the that's their target.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, Ken blackwell, we had to push to push back.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, well that I do it every day here

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<v Speaker 1>in the morning show, Ken Black one, I know you

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<v Speaker 1>do it every day in your work. Real quick here

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<v Speaker 1>and before we part company, and I cannot thank you

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<v Speaker 1>enough for spending time with my listeners and me to day.

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<v Speaker 1>I love hearing you. What is the ultimate end game,

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<v Speaker 1>this strategy of demonization and this and that. What do

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<v Speaker 1>they hope to accomplish? In your mind? What's if they

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<v Speaker 1>if they got their wish, their long term dream? What's

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<v Speaker 1>it going to be? The destruction of America? Generally speaking?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, absolutely, they They are being driven by globalists. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>they won't voters without borders. They think we can be

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<v Speaker 2>a nation without borders. Uh. They they are trying to

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<v Speaker 2>define or used a narratives that will eventually be destroy

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<v Speaker 2>our country. Right. Look, we are at a hinge of

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<v Speaker 2>history and and a hint that concept, a hinge of

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<v Speaker 2>history refers to.

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<v Speaker 4>A critical moment in time, often considered to be a

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<v Speaker 4>turning point, where decisions and actions taken have a disproportionate

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<v Speaker 2>You know. And so what what what we're in a

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<v Speaker 2>battle for is who's going to control the trajectory of civilization?

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<v Speaker 2>And we must understand that the radical life you know,

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<v Speaker 2>George Soros and others, they're trying to destroy Western civilization.

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<v Speaker 1>That makes perfect sense, Ken Blackwell, God bless you, sir,

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<v Speaker 1>thanks again for your time today. I look forward to

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<v Speaker 1>talking with you again real soon. Keep up the great work.

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<v Speaker 2>My friend God.

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