Speaker 1: Itching closer and closer to Super Bowl fifty nine between
Speaker 1: the Chiefs and the Eagles, the final football game of
Speaker 1: the year.
Speaker 2: Never a bad time to talk football.
Speaker 1: Friend of the Show joining us now one of the
Speaker 1: best to ever do it at the Youth Super Bowl champ.
Speaker 1: Great to have Terrell Burgess back on the program. Terrell,
Speaker 1: Happy Friday, man, how are we doing?
Speaker 3: Happy Friday? Thank you? I'm doing well. How are you?
Speaker 2: I'm well, I'm well.
Speaker 1: I appreciate the time, appreciate the time today. So let's uh, obviously,
Speaker 1: you know, we'll get to some ute stuff and we'll
Speaker 1: do some you know, the latest with you. But I
Speaker 1: wanted to ask you, just from your vantage point to
Speaker 1: somebody who's done this on the highest of levels, what
Speaker 1: stands out most about the way the Kansas City Chiefs
Speaker 1: and Patrick Mahomes specifically has been able to kind of
Speaker 1: change our approach throughout the years to simply figure out
Speaker 1: a way to win, no matter, you know, no matter
Speaker 1: what the style is. Because back in the day, as
Speaker 1: you know, it just was high powered, big plays, Tyreek Kill,
Speaker 1: Travis Travis Kelsey, and now he just he's kind of
Speaker 1: grown into this cerebral thinker.
Speaker 2: From your vantage point. What impresses you the I.
Speaker 3: Think just their ability to find ways to win, just
Speaker 3: like you said, I think, And I'm not no football guru.
Speaker 3: I'm just you know, a young kid that's been playing
Speaker 3: football most of his life. But I would just say,
Speaker 3: like from my point of view, from the teams that
Speaker 3: have not been able to beat them in the playoffs
Speaker 3: or like been able to stop them from getting to
Speaker 3: the big game, I think it's just everyone tries to
Speaker 3: like beat them at like their game, and like trying,
Speaker 3: in my opinion, like trying to beat them at their
Speaker 3: game is not going to work because they've been there.
Speaker 3: They've been in that situation many times before. Whether they
Speaker 3: have new receivers or not, like new skill players or not,
Speaker 3: they're still finding ways to win. And I mean they're
Speaker 3: playing well on defense as well, so that's gonna help.
Speaker 3: And I think when your defense is playing well and
Speaker 3: you know, like you guys could have a one or
Speaker 3: two off drives and your quarterback has the ability to
Speaker 3: go down and score every drive, it's just good all
Speaker 3: around and it just helps the team play better at
Speaker 3: all times.
Speaker 1: So the AFC Championship Game, Buffalo gets the ball with
Speaker 1: about three and a half left in three timeouts?
Speaker 2: Did you think they were going to get it done?
Speaker 1: Did you think it was finally going to be Josh
Speaker 1: a chance to break through or did you feel like
Speaker 1: that was the Chiefs game kind.
Speaker 2: Of all along?
Speaker 3: I thought joshin the boys were going to do it.
Speaker 3: To be honest to you, when I saw the clock
Speaker 3: when the Chiefs had hit their field goal, I said, oh,
Speaker 3: that's too much time. There's no way the Bills don't
Speaker 3: score here. But because I felt like they were driving
Speaker 3: all game, I felt like they had a better command
Speaker 3: on that game than the Chiefs did it from my
Speaker 3: point of view. But I guess you know I was wrong,
Speaker 3: and the Chiefs maybe to the Super Bowl. But yeah, no,
Speaker 3: I definitely thought Josh and them, we're going to score
Speaker 3: and win the game.
Speaker 1: So the easy thing for lazy media people to say
Speaker 1: is because Josh Allen hasn't broken through, and because Patrick
Speaker 1: Mahomes is only twenty nine, it's going to be tough
Speaker 1: for Josh to ever get it done. And luck we've
Speaker 1: seen it trelle in pro football, Peyton Manning, I think
Speaker 1: it was oh to six versus Tom Brady to start
Speaker 1: his career, and he eventually broke through and.
Speaker 2: Got a couple you think.
Speaker 1: See, I just feel like Josh is too good to
Speaker 1: never actually get it done.
Speaker 2: And you never know what's gonna happen with the Chiefs
Speaker 2: or any other team.
Speaker 1: But what are you willing to say about Josh's chances
Speaker 1: to at some point maybe break through and get a
Speaker 1: Super Bowl or maybe multiple.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, No, I definitely think he's got the ability.
Speaker 3: I think if you see the way he's played this
Speaker 3: year and over the last few years, just as a whole,
Speaker 3: he's got the capability of breaking through. I think they
Speaker 3: just I think they have the pieces. They just got
Speaker 3: to get over that hump, whatever that hump is. I'm
Speaker 3: not the person to make that decision, but I think
Speaker 3: I think he'll break through. And it obviously won't be
Speaker 3: this year. It could not be next year, but I'm
Speaker 3: sure by the end of his career. And I'm not
Speaker 3: saying like ten years down the road when he's finishing
Speaker 3: it's gonna be his last year. It could happen the
Speaker 3: next couple but I definitely think he'll break through. I
Speaker 3: don't know what it'll take, but as long as he
Speaker 3: keeps playing well the way he's playing, and they keep
Speaker 3: the right guys around them, I'm sure they'll break through.
Speaker 1: I'm also contractually obligated to ask you about Lamar Jackson
Speaker 1: if we're gonna do lazy media narratives Torell, because of
Speaker 1: course it's the same thing with him, right like, potentially
Speaker 1: could win another MVP, which would be three, and then
Speaker 1: playoff time rolls around it, and look, there's no shame
Speaker 1: in going up the Buffalo and nearly beating an awesome team.
Speaker 1: But got the same question about Lamar as somebody who's
Speaker 1: played against him and is familiar with him, do you
Speaker 1: think he ever breaks through and gets his.
Speaker 3: I do think that he does. I think for some reason,
Speaker 3: I don't know what it is about the Ravens. They've
Speaker 3: they've usually had had a good defense, and now I'm
Speaker 3: not gonna necessarily say it's their offense their defense at
Speaker 3: not making it. But I definitely think, just like Josh,
Speaker 3: I think he's definitely gonna break through. The Ravens will breakthrough.
Speaker 3: It just is I don't know what it's gonna take
Speaker 3: right now. Obviously, Like I'm sure there will be guys
Speaker 3: that retire from the Chiefs in the next couple of years,
Speaker 3: So that maybe that could help. I don't think that
Speaker 3: the Chiefs are like unbeatable. I just think that I
Speaker 3: guess no one has found a way to beat them
Speaker 3: in the playoffs in the last seven years besides Tom Brady,
Speaker 3: So I don't know. It's a tough one.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you about your impressions, because you know,
Speaker 1: Jadeen Daniels was out here in the PAC twelve foot print,
Speaker 1: which is dead unfortunately there's no such thing now, but
Speaker 1: you know I'll use at Arizona State before transferring LSU,
Speaker 1: winning the Heisman and then bursting on the scenes. Were
Speaker 1: you surprised to see how poised and mature he was
Speaker 1: all year? What'd you make if you're one in Washington?
Speaker 1: With Jayden Daniels, I remember.
Speaker 3: When we were recruiting him to come to Utah, and
Speaker 3: I knew that he wanted to play right away, but
Speaker 3: we obviously had Tyler still there and we had a
Speaker 3: couple of quarterbacks in the room, so I knew it
Speaker 3: would be tough for him to play early at Utah.
Speaker 3: But I remember when he was being recruited and I
Speaker 3: was like, oh, this kid's pretty good. But we played
Speaker 3: him with he was at Arizona State. He was young,
Speaker 3: but needless to say, I wouldn't say I was surprised.
Speaker 3: I would say that a lot of people with his
Speaker 3: last two years at LSU, I think a lot of
Speaker 3: people thought that he was going to come into the
Speaker 3: league and probably just run all the time, like just
Speaker 3: be a running quarterback and not throw very well. But
Speaker 3: I think a lot of people were surprised by his
Speaker 3: ability to throw the ball. He just he played really
Speaker 3: well all around, and I'm I'm I'm looking forward to
Speaker 3: see how he does in the future, because I think
Speaker 3: he's had a great start to his career and it's
Speaker 3: only up from here.
Speaker 1: So I thought Philly would beat them, but I thought
Speaker 1: it would be close, and it was not close. Philly
Speaker 1: overwhelmed them and they and look, it was a great
Speaker 1: accomplishment for Washington and Jaden Daniels. The Washington organization has
Speaker 1: not been to a conference championship game in thirty three years,
Speaker 1: so if he was able and they were able to
Speaker 1: get that done, they would have been way ahead of schedule.
Speaker 1: So I'm not surprised to see Philly in this spot.
Speaker 1: But what stands out most to you about an Eagles
Speaker 1: team Terrell did a lot of people believe is the
Speaker 1: most talented team in all of pro football.
Speaker 3: I would have to say, well, we could just go
Speaker 3: based off the NFC Championship game. And this is something
Speaker 3: that you know, a good friend of mine, Scott, used
Speaker 3: to always talk about and one of my high school
Speaker 3: coaches just always say this, But like, the line of
Speaker 3: scrimmage is a very important thing in football, and I
Speaker 3: think the Eagles just found a way to win the
Speaker 3: line of scrimmage. They they ran the ball very well.
Speaker 3: I think they had what six rushing touchdowns in that
Speaker 3: game or something like that. And if you can't stop
Speaker 3: the run in football, I think it's it's going to
Speaker 3: be a long day. So I'll start there. Their their
Speaker 3: running beings has been very good from all their running backs,
Speaker 3: especially obviously Saquan Jalen Hurts is running really well, and
Speaker 3: they can they can throw the balls as well. So
Speaker 3: I think all around there playing well. Their their defense
Speaker 3: is playing well, and I think they've got a good
Speaker 3: shot to beat the Chiefs. It will probably be tough,
Speaker 3: but I mean that's that's what football is for. You
Speaker 3: don't want anything to be a cakewalk, all.
Speaker 2: Right, Terrell Bird just the safety Okay, you're you're.
Speaker 1: Standing there and a running back is broken free from
Speaker 1: the line and you have to tackle either Barkley or
Speaker 1: Derrick Henry.
Speaker 2: Who are you choosing? Who's who's tougher to deal with?
Speaker 3: I don't really. I wouldn't say that I fear either
Speaker 3: of them, but I mean I don't. I mean, they're
Speaker 3: both really good running backs. I'd probably take I would
Speaker 3: take either of them, whichever one.
Speaker 2: There you go.
Speaker 3: I mean, like, if I'm being honest. One thing, this
Speaker 3: is another thing Sky used to always say was limit
Speaker 3: the damage. So I would. They haven't made a man
Speaker 3: to run with that leg, So That's where I'm shooting,
Speaker 3: and I would just do my best to not get
Speaker 3: hurtled at the same time.
Speaker 2: I like that, all right.
Speaker 1: Chiefs Eagles super Bowl fifty nine, Kansas City is a
Speaker 1: one point five point favorite.
Speaker 2: The line hasn't moved. I thought there would be money
Speaker 2: one way or the other.
Speaker 1: But it opened up at one point five, and that
Speaker 1: was five days ago and it stayed at one point five.
Speaker 1: Here's how I'll pose the question. I'll start here. The
Speaker 1: Eagles win super Bowl fifty nine, if what.
Speaker 3: The Eagles win super Bowl fifty nine, if they can.
Speaker 3: If they can run the ball the way they've been running,
Speaker 3: the Eagles win Super Bowl for fifty nine, and not
Speaker 3: saying that they can't pass the ball win. They definitely
Speaker 3: can pass the ball win if they run the ball
Speaker 3: and they find a way to get let's say one
Speaker 3: hundred and fifty to two hundred yards rushing. I don't know, collectively,
Speaker 3: not just by one person. I think I think it'd
Speaker 3: be pretty tough for the Chiefs to win the game
Speaker 3: in my opinion.
Speaker 1: And the Chiefs win Super Bowl fifty nine and we
Speaker 1: see a three pat.
Speaker 4: If what the Chiefs win Super Bowl fifty nine if
Speaker 4: they can, like on contrary to what I just said,
Speaker 4: contain the Eagles in their rushing game and play the
Speaker 4: way they've been playing in.
Speaker 3: The Super Bowl in the fourth quarter of the last
Speaker 3: few years. I think their ability to play well late
Speaker 3: in their games in the last couple of years and
Speaker 3: the last three Super Bowls they won in the last
Speaker 3: five years, their ability to play late in the game
Speaker 3: and play well has really helped them hoist that trophy
Speaker 3: three times. So I think if they can do that
Speaker 3: again towards the end of the game, you know, the
Speaker 3: second half of the game. I think that'll make sure
Speaker 3: that they win the game.
Speaker 1: What are you doing these days, Sorell Let's I'm sure
Speaker 1: you fans would love to hear an update. I know
Speaker 1: you were with the Bills and you were placed on
Speaker 1: injured reserve, So what's what's what's life like for you
Speaker 1: right now?
Speaker 2: And what are you hoping comes next?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm still in California's still training, I'm healthy, had
Speaker 3: a few workouts this season, but there's nothing nothing, nothing
Speaker 3: stuck through, still playing, you know. So I've had a
Speaker 3: little bit of communication with a couple of teams, but
Speaker 3: you know, until until things are set and stone, nothing
Speaker 3: really happened. So just training. I'm in California right now,
Speaker 3: looking to find a place to live outside of California
Speaker 3: because I love this place. It'll always be home, but
Speaker 3: just just looking to to find something new. Probably we'll
Speaker 3: make a trip or two out to Utah this this offseason,
Speaker 3: so that'll be pretty nice to to come back and
Speaker 3: see my see my favorite people, see one of my
Speaker 3: favorite cities in the United States, So that'll be nice.
Speaker 1: Who do you keep in contact out this way? You know,
Speaker 1: without this way, we have a lot of your former
Speaker 1: teammates on Zach was on not too long ago. Who
Speaker 1: are your you team? So you continue to talk to
Speaker 1: and stay in contact.
Speaker 3: With honestly a lot of them. I keep it. I
Speaker 3: still talk to Zach. I talked to Julian for two
Speaker 3: I guess two big names. I talked to Soup here
Speaker 3: and there a lot of T. J. Green, Philipia, There's
Speaker 3: there's a lot Sampson, Nakula. There's a lot of guys
Speaker 3: that I still talked to from from Utah, COLC Mariner,
Speaker 3: I don't know's there's a lot. I'd say that I
Speaker 3: stay in contact with a lot of guys just because
Speaker 3: we we had a close knit bond at Utah and
Speaker 3: it'll probably continue for the rest of our list.
Speaker 2: What are your what are your thoughts on?
Speaker 1: Since you and I last spoke, there was a lot
Speaker 1: of conversation about what would happen with coach with after
Speaker 1: a rough year, and he's announced that he's coming back
Speaker 1: for year twenty one. What's your reaction to your form
Speaker 1: of ball coach on the sidelines for another year for
Speaker 1: these Utah years.
Speaker 3: I'm happy for him. I didn't think, if I'm being honest,
Speaker 3: before last season, I thought that would probably be his
Speaker 3: last season, not that I knew anything under the table
Speaker 3: or anything. I just I just was thinking like that'd
Speaker 3: be his last season. But once we fell short to BYU,
Speaker 3: I think I don't think in my opinion, from my
Speaker 3: point of view, I don't think he would have allowed
Speaker 3: himself to leave with that bad taste in his mouth.
Speaker 3: So I think he's gonna come back with a vengeance
Speaker 3: this year and do pretty well, and in my opinion,
Speaker 3: maybe this will be his last year. But who knows.
Speaker 3: He's a strong man. If you see, he probably is
Speaker 3: still working out like crazy now, so I'm sure he's
Speaker 3: still in good health and still able to keep going.
Speaker 1: Since you and I last spoke as well, it's been
Speaker 1: a minute. A coach you know very very well. In
Speaker 1: morgan Scalley, it was announced that he is the contingency
Speaker 1: plan once Kyle decides that he wants to do something
Speaker 1: else with his time, that job is Morgan's. I would
Speaker 1: imagine you have some thoughts on that, tro What do
Speaker 1: you think about the plan here in Salt Lake.
Speaker 3: I'm happy for him. I have a lot of respects
Speaker 3: for him. He's not only a great coach, but a
Speaker 3: great person as well, and I feel like I learned.
Speaker 3: I learned a lot from college. I think I don't know.
Speaker 3: I couldn't say enough good good things about him, and
Speaker 3: I'm excited for his future and his family and when
Speaker 3: he gets a chance to take take the reins as
Speaker 3: the head coach at Utah, I'm sure I'll be there
Speaker 3: just like I am there now, you know, still supporting
Speaker 3: them and seeing them do well.
Speaker 2: Have you ever thought about media. You're pretty good at this,
Speaker 2: you know, and I and Terrelle I interview.
Speaker 1: I know, I know you're only twenty six and hopefully
Speaker 1: you have a lot of football left to play. But
Speaker 1: I interview a lot of former players, and I'll say
Speaker 1: I've interviewed a lot of your former teammates, and I'll
Speaker 1: just say gently at times it's hard for me to
Speaker 1: drag answers out of them, but you're.
Speaker 2: Really good at this. Have you ever considered that maybe
Speaker 2: down the.
Speaker 3: Road, I've considered it. I think it's I think it's
Speaker 3: very I have a lot of respects for everybody in
Speaker 3: the media from I think my right after my rookie year,
Speaker 3: I did the spring game and I worked with some
Speaker 3: of the guys from the PAC twelve and calling the
Speaker 3: spring spring game, so being able to see it from
Speaker 3: that view and talking to you and just being on
Speaker 3: the radio and things. It's like, I don't know. I
Speaker 3: think I just have a lot of respects for the profession.
Speaker 3: I think it's really cool. It's not something I would
Speaker 3: ever count out. I think it's pretty cool. I just
Speaker 3: haven't thought about it extensively. But I mean, I guess
Speaker 3: if another person tells me that it I sound pretty
Speaker 3: good on the media, I guess I should probably really
Speaker 3: think about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're no, you are. And believe me, I can
Speaker 1: tell when players are good at it. I can tell
Speaker 1: when they want to do it, and I can tell
Speaker 1: when they're on the phone and they're scrolling through their
Speaker 1: mentions or they're swiping.
Speaker 2: Right or whatever.
Speaker 1: So you're present and I appreciate that. I want to
Speaker 1: move over here because, as I reference, we talk to
Speaker 1: a lot of your teammates, and for my money, Trell,
Speaker 1: your twenty nineteen Utah team may have been the most
Speaker 1: talent and I mean this now, I mean seriously, like
Speaker 1: top to bottom, it could have been the most It
Speaker 1: could be the most talented Utah football team in the
Speaker 1: history of the program. And obviously four undefeated a eight
Speaker 1: undefeated and those guys have acclaim the seasons that are
Speaker 1: very very special. But yet, do you guys ever talk
Speaker 1: about twenty nineteen, how many just awesome players you had
Speaker 1: and what could have been.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think the more we talk about it,
Speaker 3: and the more people talk about it, it just makes
Speaker 3: it that much worse that we weren't. We didn't get
Speaker 3: a chance at the to you know, Oh, I guess
Speaker 3: we did get a chance. We just didn't do it,
Speaker 3: so I'll put it that way. But yeah, I think
Speaker 3: we talked about it a lot, and we know, but
Speaker 3: it's hard to have no hardware and say that you
Speaker 3: were a good team. So I mean, if we're being honest,
Speaker 3: everybody plays this game for the love of the game
Speaker 3: and not and to win, and we won a good amount,
Speaker 3: but just not enough. So I think we were a
Speaker 3: great team. I think I always think that we were
Speaker 3: a great team, and I'm just grateful to be a
Speaker 3: part of that that those great four years, and not
Speaker 3: only just twenty nineteen.
Speaker 1: Before I set you loose, and I do have to
Speaker 1: apologize to all the former players who I asked this
Speaker 1: question to, and I've asked your teammates.
Speaker 2: We asked Zach a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 1: You know Terrell Burgess, you know, good looking, charismatic kid,
Speaker 1: Utah football player, senior year, really really good. I don't know, man,
Speaker 1: two hundred and three hundred K or something like that, Like,
Speaker 1: do you.
Speaker 2: Ever look at it?
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like, you ever look at
Speaker 1: what college football is now?
Speaker 2: And go, man, I was just a few years too late.
Speaker 3: I know, it's crazy because I was just talking about
Speaker 3: this as one of my friends about how like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 3: our parents just had us too early. But yeah, I mean,
Speaker 3: it's crazy to even think about it. I'm happy for
Speaker 3: the players now. I think I've always thought that college
Speaker 3: football players deserve to get paid, So I'm excited that
Speaker 3: they're doing it. Is I can only just hope that
Speaker 3: they continue to make the right choices and micro ight
Speaker 3: decisions with the money they're giving at given at a
Speaker 3: young age, and earn not just given, earned at the
Speaker 3: young age, and continue to do right and help the
Speaker 3: younger generation be able to just keep going. But yeah, no,
Speaker 3: I'm excited for them. I think my senior year, maybe
Speaker 3: I would have made a little bit, but you know,
Speaker 3: hindsight's always twenty twenty and will ultimately never know that.
Speaker 3: But I'm not bitter about it. I'm really happy for them,
Speaker 3: and I just I hope it continues to just grow
Speaker 3: the sport.
Speaker 1: Where do you keep that Super Bowl ring?
Speaker 3: I don't know if I should be saying that on
Speaker 3: the all right, fairnore in California. It's here. It's in
Speaker 3: a safe space. It's in a lock box here in California.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't really take out very often, but
Speaker 3: it's something also to whoever asked, So it's a great accomplishment.
Speaker 3: I'm just happy to be a part of that team.
Speaker 1: Good stuff. Hey, Trell, thanks for the time, man, have
Speaker 1: a great weekend. We'll get you back on soon.
Speaker 3: Okay, yes, sir, thank you. I appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Rell Burgess really really good player for Utah twenty nineteen.
Speaker 2: His senior year just completely blew up. Drafted by the.
Speaker 1: Rams one hundred and fourth overall, third round twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately broke his ankle, injured reserve. But he does have
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl ring that Super Bowl the Rams won
Speaker 1: when they beat the Bengals. Spent some time with the Giants,
Speaker 1: spend all the time with the Commanders. Most recently with
Speaker 1: the Buffalo Bills and then he was waved a little
Speaker 1: bit into the season, so now he's back in California training.
Speaker 2: And trying to get in shape. Hopefully gets a chance.
Speaker 1: He's only twenty six years old and obviously a really
Speaker 1: good player and an excellent player for Utah back in
Speaker 1: the day. Appreciate Terrell Burgess the time on the program.