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Speaker 1: Welcome back, boys and girls. I've brought Paul Haul back

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for y'all. Welcome Paul. How are you?

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Speaker 2: I'm good, Jamie, how are you doing?

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Speaker 1: I'm excited because today we're going to do our classic

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Disney series that we've been doing for a couple years now.

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You said this was our tenth show together. Is that right?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? And I I was looking up the movies we

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did the other day. We have done Princess Protection Program,

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Escape from Tomorrow, Fantasia, No Mobile, Escape to Witch Mountain,

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Elemental Haunted Mansion, Princess and the Frog, The Devil and

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Max Devlin, Monsters, inc. Black Caldron, Song of the South, Tomorrowland,

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Mary Poppins, Mars Needs Moms Turning Red, And now we're

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doing Pinocchio and Hunchback of Notre Dame.

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Speaker 1: Wow, almost twenty movies. That's crazy. So this is the

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perfect climax who are Disney series? Because then we're gonna

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pivot off into some other topics that I know you

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guys are gonna love. But today we are gonna be

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talking about Pinocchio, the classic nineteen forty Disney movie. Now,

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I was watching this and I was going, why is

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this so deep? Do I have mental problems. Like, there's

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so much going on in Pinocchio, and I'm so glad

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you picked it because it is more than just a

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kids movie, a Disney movie. It is literally a manifesto

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of occult secrets, right, and just the things that I

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picked up just from watching and knowing what I already

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knew about it was the story is Luciferian, it's gnostic,

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it's Masonic, it's cabitalistic. It's like the story of creation

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and the fall of man. And it's also mk ultra.

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So we are going to be going over all of

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the different facet of Pinocchio. So where do you want

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to start on this movie?

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Speaker 2: Maybe just a couple notes on the Pinocchio story. And

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for the record, we were having Mike problems, So forgive

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me everybody if we have weird cut off stuff going on. Apologies.

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So Coppola, Felini, Kubrick, Walt Disney, del Toro, Robert Zemeckis.

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Pinocchio is one of those films or those prop properties,

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you know, stories that everybody wants to like get their

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hands on. The Copola, Fellini, and Kubrick all basically either

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had massive financial setbacks or death that caused them not

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to do this, and then oh, yeah, Spielberg, because he

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finished Ai.

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Speaker 1: Wanted to do Pinocchio too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so he was originally doing AI and then Steven

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Spielber basically picked it up and finished it. But yeah,

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that was like his Pinocchio.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and we're going to talk about that because that's

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where it gets into to the Luciferianism of the story

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of Pinocchio. So, like a lot of these fairy tales,

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Grimm's Fairy Tales and Hans Christian Anderson and the subject

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matter that Disney pulled from in its classic eras, this

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actually comes from a children's story by a author named

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Carlo Clodi who was an Italian and his real name

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was Carlo Larenzini. So he was a theological student who

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turned to politics and journalism during the Italian Wars for Independence.

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So this was around like eighteen fifty eighteen sixty, and

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he had some strong political opinions and cultural visions for Italy.

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Speaker 2: Right would you say was he was he more like

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left leaning or right leaning?

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Speaker 1: You know, well, we're gonna find out in a second.

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He was an Enlightenment era you know, kind of like Freemason,

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revolutionary he pivoted from print media to children's stories, using

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characters as a means of expressing his own convictions through allegory. Right,

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and so what ideas do you think he is bringing

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to light?

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Speaker 2: Well, some enlightenment, fellow, I'm guessing it's gonna have something

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to do with some will to power of some kind,

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some sort of dominating over nature conquests the reclamation. There

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will also be sort of the implication that nature knows

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more than man. Like on one level, there's the sort

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of what subdue nature, but there's the other like back

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to nature, sort of inherent romanticism that comes with enlightenment too.

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So I think there'll be a bit of that. And

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I think just because we know these things go, there'll

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probably be some uh well transformation transformational human into the

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light type of you know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, from from darkness to light. Basically, that is a

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enlightenment Masonic pabilistic idea. And I was going to read

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y'all a little bit about gnosticism, but first I wanted

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to show you this is like a Masonic image right here,

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from Darkness to Light? You have all those This is

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from my second book.

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Speaker 2: Did you do that image or where'd you find that this.

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Speaker 1: Is just like a classic Masonic.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, put it, put it back up again, please,

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It's just a terrible composition, like the eyeball and the

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g and the thing.

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Speaker 2: They're just like, the building is just so ugly. Dude,

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It's like they got at it is weird.

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Speaker 1: It's yeah, Masonic aesthetic is not actually my favorite. No

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oh no, no really, well, I do love the Gothic,

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which we're going to talk about next week when we

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do Hunchbacks. So it's so funny when me and Paul

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pick movies. We're like, let's pick a couple movies, but

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we always end up talking for hours and hours. So

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I'm like, let's just do one movie at a time.

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Speaker 2: No, last time I was looking back on these movies,

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we're done there. Can you imagine there's a point where

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we did four movies in one session?

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Speaker 1: No, was that like three and a half hour?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I know. So we're learning. I'm learning, Okio.

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Speaker 1: So Pinocchio might turn into three hours. You don't know,

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because I have so many notes and I have like

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all of this, you know, esoteric stuff to tell y'all.

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But okay, so now we are at the author of

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the Well. It started as a story like a serial

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in his publication. And so here we have this author

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who went from theological school to revolutionary thinking, Enlightenment thinking

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into journalism, and he started publishing this serial in eighteen

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eighty called The Story of a Marionette, which became the

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Adventures of Pinocchio in eighteen eighty three. So according to

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the Internet or Ai or Grocco, whoever is our you know, oracle, now,

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Carlo Lorenzini was confirmed of freemason, so he was initiated

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into these Enlightenment era ideas. And this is smack dab

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in the middle of like the blossoming of the seventeen

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seventy six era. So you have George Washington in the

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New World and the ideas of Francis Bacon, and then

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these ideas are spreading. Also you have the French Revolution

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going on at the same time, stuff spreading into Italy

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and Pinocchio, I guess it's from like northern Italy, so

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like Italian Alps era. So you have the revolutionary spirit

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coming down into Italy and this is where Pinocchio comes from.

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Did you know that it was going to be so

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deep today?

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Speaker 2: No? And it's funny. I also watched that Girmo del

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Toro one, and that one plays a lot into like

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overtly dealing with more political but kind of like the

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fascism basically comes to town. And so it's kind of

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funny that, you know, kind of they actually have Mussolini

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and stuff, but just like you were saying about it

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creeping through the north end of the South, it's funny

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that the new Pinocchio movie kind of has that too

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in a different ways. So it's even somatic stuff. Spiritually

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and politically they're bedfellows.

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Speaker 1: Did you ever see pans Labyrinth by a Gara MULTIAI?

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah, I like del Toro. He

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I think I saw a show you did on it,

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or maybe you and.

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Speaker 1: Jay did, or me and basically analyzer pants.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, you guys said right, forgive me, forgive me? Yeah, no,

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I was good. I don't like yup, So I gotta

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blogs all up in here. I gotta I don't like

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Gimo del Toro. Man, he's like I mean, it's just

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personal preference, I guess, but he's so eerie and creepy

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and weird.

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Speaker 1: And he is eerie and creepy. Yeah, his I've seen

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pictures of like I think his house is kind of

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creepy too, So that's where you get horror movies from.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like people's obsession with the monster. It's such

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a new things and ever since Frankenstein over the last

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century in our culture, and it's like we've gotten to

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the point now where it's like, whether you go on

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art blogs or watch some TV shows, it's always like

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me and my cute monster, you know. And it's like

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I always kicked out of people when they I'm gonna

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kill these flies. Sorry, go ahead.

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Speaker 1: Well, I was just gonna say Pokemon is like short

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for pocket monster, so.

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Speaker 2: Exactly exactly, Like there's a sense that we've just become

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so close to befriending the monster, and I think it's

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kind of funny. Occult move is like, no, the monster

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is your shadow, that's your friend. You can become friends

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with the monster, and eventually he'll become tame, surely not

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eat you and send you down the bows of Hades alive,

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but he guys will become best friends.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well, and Pinocchio, the monster is very important to Geppetto's

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you know, katabasis or abyss crossing, and we'll get to

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that in a minute. When we talk about how this

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is capitalistic, but so yeah, So Carl Larnzini was a

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political satirist and his publications even got banned in some

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places for being too spicy. He was very revolutionary. One

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of his publications called the Veacon, which illuminated all who

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were teetering in darkness. So that sounds exactly like that

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picture that we were just looking at, right, the Masonic

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from light to darkness or darkness to light. I'm sorry.

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And he also considered himself a passionate disciple of Giuseppe Mazzini.

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I'm not okay. So he is another one of these

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free Masonic Enlightenment era friends with General Albert Pike of

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the Civil War. So they were pentpals. And there is

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a classic like conspiracy letter that goes around every couple

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of years, and this has kind of like been debunked

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and then like undebunked, So it's just one of those

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things that it could be true. There is a letter

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written from Mazzini to Albert Pike that pretty much detailed

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the three World Wars in spooky detail.

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Speaker 2: So have we gotten in his or were still writing

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Well they said in that letter that World War

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III was going to be fought between the Zionists and

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the Islamist and they will destroy each other and then

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the divine light of Lucifer will prevail. So that's a

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classic conspiracy letter from Yeah Mazzini to Albert Pike. And

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like I said, it was disputed, but it's you know,

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outlines three world wars and how they were fomented. And

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so Pinocchio is like in classic you know, mystery school fashion.

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of a paarable if you know what you are looking at,

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if you are an initiate, then you see the signs.

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Speaker 2: Is yeah, of course I did. This is gonna be fun, though,

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and this is where like I'm kinda let's play a

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good cop back coop today, Okay, because I'm out of

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I gotta out myself. I mean, it's no surprise to

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anybody who been doing this for two years, have a

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funny conflicted relationship with this Disney stuff. The last six

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months since our last show, my buddy and I have

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gotten tighter out here at the Icon Studio and he's like,

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never really watched these movies, and so we watch We've

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been watching a lot of them, the classics, and it's

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like it's like watching it with the child, the joy

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he's had watching the art of these films, and so

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I'm like, dude, this sucks because it's like these things

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are beautiful, like these are amazing pieces of art, and

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so like there's a part of me that like esthetically

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just like can chomp on that all day long, you know,

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so much substance it actually has in terms of like

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speeding your soul. You can't like feed your soul on

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Disney stuff forever without going crazy. But so I've been like, one,

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preparation for this, I rewatched all of Jordan Peterson's Pinocchio

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watched it back, and I was just like I kind

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of symbolism he has is like pretty spot on, but uh,

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of wrap it up, I'm trying to find a Christian

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something in this that's not purely esoteric. Like I was

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trying to actually find like where's good and true in

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this movie because I think it's just this side effect

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of living where I am now, Like I'm just so

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there's so much joy and grace everywhere. It's like I

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can't not try to see Christ in it, you know.

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all this, because like I've not really, I'm intentionally withheld

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doing much research on Pinocchio, and I've kind of like

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avoided doing the more occult reading because I was one

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figured you could too. I just like I realized, like

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I don't think, I like my brain can't. I can't

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do it anymore, Like I don't know how to see it.

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and he's like this, but there's so many things in

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there that are not obviously Christian. You gotta like stretch.

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it's like I don't know, so I've been I don't

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really know where I rest with all this stuff now

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truth be told, because it's like I'm trying to see

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things with a more pure eyes of love towards everything.

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be stupid, you know, and like I'm willfully not tough anymore,

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you know. So it's like I'm excited just to kind of,

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I don't know, look at this thing from every angle

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm thinking of that versus says to the peer

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of hoar, all things are peer, you know.

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Speaker 2: And I'm not pure that life to be one day.

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Speaker 1: I mean, obviously a child is not going to watch

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this and like get all of the occult references, but

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they are sort of being manipulated, you know, subliminally and ideologically.

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Talian Christians don't take their kids to Disneylan like you

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can't because they're gonna.

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Speaker 2: Yeah right, And so it's like, in a way, I'm

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full sirt of the word we've always been, like, especially

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when we get to like once Disneyland starts being made

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or whatever twenty years, it's like it's weird for sure. Yeah,

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those early movies. It's like I just don't know what

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to make of it, because, like I truly do believe

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everything I've said before that like the powers are working

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from on high to work through our media, and they

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obviously own Hollywood, Like it's like blatantly clear. But then

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it's like watching all the behind the scenes and studying

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all the art. I'm like, how did these guys have

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time to go to like devil parties? Like these dudes

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were like in this studio, like eighty hours a day working, Like,

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so where does this.

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Speaker 1: Devil parties are for elite? They're not for ankers and

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artists right there for right, right? But speaking of devil parties,

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that's where this movie is going because he's gonna end

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up literally on pleasure Island.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 1: So let's start with the gnostic aspects. So you're how

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is this gnostic?

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Speaker 2: Okay?

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Speaker 1: Uh, We're about to demystify some things for you. So

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Geppetto is what they would call the demi urge, right,

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and here is the what I'm going to be referencing.

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So this book is still for sale if y'all are interested.

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I just go over the bigger mystery cults of the conspiracy,

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the Cabal, we go through Fumason, we go through illuminated America,

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we go through uh Solomon, and gnosticism. So if you've

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ever looked at all of the evil and all of

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the suffering and all of the decay in the world,

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you know, and thought like this is hell, then that

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is a Gnostic idea.

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Speaker 4: Right, yeah, because go ahead, Oh, because creation and the

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nascissism is inherently contrary to man's need to ascend forever

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where versus the Christian one where God makes creation good.

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Speaker 2: So fundamentally this world and that's like that thing with

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the Gnostics, you know, to be charitable, not to the gnostics,

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but those that don't know any better. I too, as

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a Christian, see this world as gone to hell, but

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not creation, not the animals, not mankind, but the system,

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the machine, you know, so to speak. So like kind

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of like we always agree that, like we're in a

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falling condition, but it's like why is hell and the mean?

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Speaker 1: Right, So, on the one hand, you have creationism. In Christianity,

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matter is good, everything created is good because God is good.

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freemasonry that built the world is bad and there's something

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there is good stuff here, but fundamentally matter and creation

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is flawed. So there you have your first principles from creation,

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then the Christian point of view and the Gnostic point

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of view. So gnarscissism just means gnosis right or knowing,

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like the Gospels are kind of disputed, and you know

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the Nakammodish where a lot of this comes from namod.

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Speaker 2: Ways, Yeah, that's that's tough. This is this thing that

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I've learned coming in the church. Like it's like this,

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this is how it is for us with other Christians,

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and this is how it is for us with even

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a lot of occult things. And it's like a lot

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of the terms and words are the exact same thing,

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but they mean entirely different things, like because we have

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this as well, like the fathers use the word all

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the time, and you could even say, like I know,

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nosis and sophia are entirely one to one, but like

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they kind of are in the sense of this wisdom

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of God or this wisdom and so even there too,

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we'll talk about like crisis sofia in the in scripture,

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but it's not what then gets, you.

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Speaker 1: Know, nastisized, gnostisized. Yeah, that's a good way to put it,

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because in Christianity, you can know God right, you can

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know aspects about him, you can learn about him, you

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can have In narcissism, you can never know God. God

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is this thing that is so far above knowing or

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having a relationship or caring about you. It is basically

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like a watchmaker or like a geppetto who just made

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a creation and wound it up and then it's just

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going right. And but you can never know the mind

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of God in narcissism, because it's far more above the

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thing that created us. Does that make sense?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, because there's because you're you're saying, there's the

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you're talking about the God higher than the demiurge.

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Speaker 1: So it's called the play Roma. Okay, So in the

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classic Gnostic view, there's a true, ultimate, transcendent God who

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is beyond all created universe. It emanated or brought forth

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from within itself all of the worlds, and it's simply

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called the Numa or the Light. So it's like a

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pre existent, un caused, perfect being or they call it

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the Father Spirit. Right, let's see.

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Speaker 2: And then also, like what you're saying with the narcissism,

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it's just a quick move from daism to you know,

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setting the watch the clockmakers, setting it to pure just humanism,

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and the trajectory just only a matter of centuries, so

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to speak.

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Speaker 1: Right, So he there's an emphasis on androgyny too, and

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then the mother aspect of the light is the prodnoia

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or the first thought. Now, this is all compiled by

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going through all of these weird NaSTA gospels and getting

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it like there is no actual like cohesid story. This

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is just what we can gather through all of the

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different gospels, right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, uncles lavicks Man, I used to be like not

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a like I was a half Gnostic in the bag

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because I've always loved creation in nature. I'm too much

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of like a hippie to not like nature. But that

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just transcending it things all about it. And it's like, dude,

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this stuff for readson now like a Marvel Wikipedia page.

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You're like, you just got the power stone from him

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and he fell from Galacton four and just like.

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Speaker 1: What and they crossed the bifrosted asgar Okay, so the

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light they worship, the ultimate Light. And then the first thought,

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Let's see, they brought forth the gods called AONs. So

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these beings exist between the Ultimate God and ourselves. The

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Nastic view of the universe has three tiers where the

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light lives, the upperwhelm and the bottom world or the

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created universe. So I don't know if you guys want

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to know all of this stuff. Is this interesting or not? Okay,

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I'm just going through these notes way in.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny with the word aon. I should do

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my homework better. Let's see if I can look it

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up while we're talking.

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Speaker 1: Okay. When when all the AONs are together in harmony

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with the light is called the play roma, which means fullness.

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The fullness stands in contrast to our existential state, which

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is the comparison to emptiness. The Father God and the

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Mother Thought make the initial trinity of the Gnostics. There

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is an extraordinary aon called Sophia or wisdom. So this

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is what is being symbolized by the Blue Fairy when

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we get there.

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Speaker 2: Yep, he's also the nature spirit or this Sophionic spirit

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at the same time. She's like both simultaneously.

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Speaker 1: Yes. So Sophia was close to the physical world to

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transgress the boundary, and she was the first one to sin.

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She wanted to reproduce without the consent of the Light

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or her male counterpart aon. Her offspring is described as

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an abortion, a flawed emanation called the demiurge or the

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maker or the architect. He's also called y'aal the Boes

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and to the Gnostics this is yahweh or right right.

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So this kind of turns the entire creation story inverted,

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where matter is evil and it's it's like a mutant birth. Basically,

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it's a target is a birth?

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Speaker 2: What the new Pinocchio, the Giamo del toro one sorry

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excuse me, I had to go check the screen really quick.

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In the Nice and Creed, I can't read Greek very well.

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I think the word is aon when it says at

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the end of the age to come, it doesn't look

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like cop is it cosmos? I don't think it's cosmos.

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It looks like the word of aon. So again, it's

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one of those weird words that's like we use it

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has a context, but it's not. We're not talking about

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those AONs of transcending, you know, up to the Pleroma

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entirely Christian context. But in the gar del Toro Pinocchio, dude,

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he is a freak. That boy he's like he looks

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demented and he's like carved when Grandpa was all drunk

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and Geppetto is all drunk and angry and like demonically influenced.

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eyeball spirits that like enter into Pinocchio when he's born.

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He's like nature spirits thing. It's crazy, but just to

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the point of like the deformity birth. It's definitely one

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of those things that Disney doesn't do, obviously in comparison

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Speaker 1: So, yeah, what we're talking about is Geppetto is the Demiurge,

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and Pinocchio is man who was created unperfected, imperfected, and

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it is up to him and his will to power

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to become that perfect being or the perfect Ashlar was

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what they call it in Freemasonry, Right, So I guess

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that's enough backstory on narcissism all that to say, Geppetto

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is like the demiurge, and the Fox and the Cat

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are like the Arkhans or the Watchman or the henchmen

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that try to tempt him into going straight, right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I would say from a Christian reading, they

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sort of represent obviously like the passions or the demons,

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because they're basically like telling him, you know this is

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at the end, they're telling him he's sick. You know, Pinocchio,

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you're sick. You can't go to school, like you need

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to come be an actor and stuff, and basically they're

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sort of saying, Ah, what's the what's the worry? Why bother?

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him again to go to Pleasure Island? Is it the

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either way they're basically doing exactly the demons say, or

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they're like, why bother, don't worry about it. You're useless,

466
00:28:53,119 --> 00:28:55,279
you're helpless, might as well just go to Pleasure Island.

467
00:28:55,599 --> 00:28:58,640
And it sort of like activates that let's just call it,

468
00:28:58,799 --> 00:29:01,799
screw it neural pathway inside of us that get stronger

469
00:29:01,799 --> 00:29:03,599
and stronger. And that's how it's sort of given to

470
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:06,880
sin so regularly, is because we sort of have this

471
00:29:07,359 --> 00:29:09,680
I am sick, I am worth this, like life doesn't

472
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,119
care for me? Why bother? Let's just go to Pleasure Island.

473
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 1: Nihilism, Yeah, right, and is it?

474
00:29:15,519 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 2: You know, it's funny because Pleasure Island obviously is like

475
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:21,480
cut off from the mainland of people of the soul

476
00:29:21,599 --> 00:29:24,319
of existence and sort of when we fall into sin,

477
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,799
we become isolated in that same way that you know

478
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:29,519
where you go to the eye it, So they visually

479
00:29:29,559 --> 00:29:34,240
represent the isolation involved with falling into sin. That pleasure

480
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:35,759
island is right.

481
00:29:36,519 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 1: So another clue that would tell you that Jeppetto is

482
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:45,880
the demi urge is all the clocks. So not only

483
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:49,039
is he a craftsman of puppets, but he's also like

484
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:54,640
father Time, right, he is the saturn. He is the

485
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,599
one of the great limitations of times. So we're still

486
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:00,720
talking about gnostic mystery school stuff, but to Petto's how

487
00:30:00,759 --> 00:30:02,880
and this is the one of the scenes that stuck

488
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:04,440
out to me when I was a little kid too,

489
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:07,200
because I always remember when the clocks are going off

490
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:09,400
at the same time and the little drunk comes out,

491
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:13,160
the spanking mama one, yeah, the spanky mom. And then

492
00:30:13,319 --> 00:30:16,880
I remembered in that Fritz Springmeier book about how Disney

493
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:19,759
was like obsessed with butts and stuff. We're gonna reference

494
00:30:19,799 --> 00:30:21,759
that very end when we talk about how it's like

495
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:25,319
MK Ultra. But yeah, like I always remember the little

496
00:30:25,319 --> 00:30:30,240
butt clock and the Wino clock, and that whole.

497
00:30:30,119 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 2: Scene is like I remember this movie, Like this movie,

498
00:30:33,319 --> 00:30:35,400
Star Wars and probably Back in the Future were like

499
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:39,079
the first movies I ever like remember watching, but like,

500
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:42,599
especially Pinocchio, this movie is like ingrained. I mean, like

501
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,920
I even can hear the whole symphony of clocks, like

502
00:30:46,039 --> 00:30:48,279
right now, like hey, sing to me the clock scene,

503
00:30:48,279 --> 00:30:55,839
and like, dude, like, yeah.

504
00:30:53,799 --> 00:31:00,359
Speaker 1: So he is father time. Oh and it's funny that

505
00:31:02,279 --> 00:31:04,440
all the clocks go off and then he's like what

506
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:09,039
time is it? So he there's what copedal?

507
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,319
Speaker 2: What is wrong with you? Bro? Like you literally have

508
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,559
twenty five clocks around You're like, oh, what time it is?

509
00:31:14,599 --> 00:31:14,960
I love that.

510
00:31:15,559 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 1: Well that's the joke, Like he is the maker, but

511
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:19,920
he's still not God.

512
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:24,119
Speaker 2: Ah do brilliant. I love it. I love it. Yeah,

513
00:31:24,119 --> 00:31:26,319
that's great. I didn't even think, like what I was saying.

514
00:31:26,359 --> 00:31:28,119
I can't even see things the way I used to anymore.

515
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,039
Like I didn't even think about Saturn, like I knew

516
00:31:30,119 --> 00:31:32,400
is the demiurge. I was like, look a old man time,

517
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:36,920
Like that's yeah, duh, obviously good call.

518
00:31:37,079 --> 00:31:39,119
Speaker 1: So he is, you know, the less for God who

519
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:44,200
creates the imperfect beings or the puppets, and Pinocchio needs

520
00:31:44,319 --> 00:31:49,400
the divine spark to become a real boy or an

521
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:52,440
illuminated man or a perfect ashlar.

522
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, something I found interesting about this imagery that's like,

523
00:31:56,279 --> 00:31:58,440
you know, not very I couldn't really pull the Christian

524
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,519
apologia on this one, because like the Holy Spirit is

525
00:32:01,519 --> 00:32:05,319
a feminine thing, like that's only in the Greek. It's

526
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,480
it's not really the Holy Spirit's not feminine. I mean,

527
00:32:08,519 --> 00:32:12,759
God is spirit. There's no gender to God. But this

528
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,119
was a funny, like, you know, in Christianity, it's the

529
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:18,799
Father that is the spirit that gives the spirit, and

530
00:32:18,839 --> 00:32:22,000
it's the mother that provides the flesh, where in this

531
00:32:22,039 --> 00:32:25,880
story it's the Father that provides the flesh and the

532
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:28,640
feminine that provides the spirit. So I thought that wasn't

533
00:32:28,759 --> 00:32:33,200
very telling. You know. Way, the Gnostic sort of symbolism

534
00:32:33,279 --> 00:32:36,200
is versus obviously an Orthodox.

535
00:32:35,799 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 1: Reading, so Gnostissism very easily slides into Luciferianism. And I'm

536
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,799
looking up right now when you wish upon a star,

537
00:32:50,119 --> 00:32:54,240
so that's how the movie opens, right about a star.

538
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,079
And what do we talk about all the time in

539
00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:04,480
magic is stars, pentagrams, transmissions from outer space, right, all

540
00:33:04,519 --> 00:33:07,839
of this and I'm trying to see if they actually

541
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:12,599
say which star they're supposed to be referencing. But you know,

542
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:16,240
it could be serious, It could be Polaris, it could

543
00:33:16,279 --> 00:33:16,960
be Venus.

544
00:33:17,799 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he says the Wishing Star. I think

545
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:23,160
you just call it calls that.

546
00:33:23,559 --> 00:33:27,079
Speaker 1: So if I ever come upon like which exactly star

547
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:31,319
they're talking about, because all of these are esoteric stars,

548
00:33:31,359 --> 00:33:34,400
serious is very I mean, we did a whole show

549
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:37,200
on it with plant, right, so everybody should know how

550
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:40,960
important serious is Polaris. The North star is also very

551
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:45,680
important in free rasonry, and so is Venus, which is

552
00:33:45,799 --> 00:33:52,079
very closely associated with Lucifer. And so when the star

553
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,519
is upside down, well let's okay, let's talk about that

554
00:33:54,559 --> 00:33:57,480
in a second, when the donkeys come. So, the Blue

555
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:04,839
Fairy is a star, right, She's also Sophia the Gnostic wisdom.

556
00:34:05,319 --> 00:34:10,360
She descends to earth to give Pinocchio this divine spark,

557
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:17,920
and even the tip of her magic wand is a pentagram, right.

558
00:34:17,039 --> 00:34:17,440
Speaker 4: By.

559
00:34:19,079 --> 00:34:24,599
Speaker 1: No coincidence. And if you are talking about sparks, you

560
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:28,480
are talking about Kabbala now, and the news of the

561
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:33,199
Gnostics is so in Kabala they say that every human

562
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:37,840
is like a shattering of God and it's just like

563
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:42,280
a tiny little spark that when you mix them all together,

564
00:34:42,559 --> 00:34:46,159
or we bring them together, that is God. But otherwise

565
00:34:46,199 --> 00:34:47,800
we are just like little sparks.

566
00:34:48,199 --> 00:34:52,039
Speaker 2: Does it imply in that that when more people bring

567
00:34:52,079 --> 00:34:55,000
their light together that we can have more Godness?

568
00:34:56,159 --> 00:34:59,559
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, the more you link up like a mecca.

569
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:04,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, like a like a power anger mechado droid thing.

570
00:35:05,159 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 1: Well, the over man when all the sparks come together.

571
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:12,000
I think it's called Adam.

572
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:15,559
Speaker 2: Cadmon, right, yeah, I remember him. I remembering to Adam

573
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:19,480
or in Marvel Comics, Adam Warlock is his name. Oh okay,

574
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:23,519
it's funny because the Christian again, like the Christian variant,

575
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:26,719
not the Christian variant. This is a variant on Christianity,

576
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:30,039
fun housewarping of it. And it's that the image of

577
00:35:30,119 --> 00:35:33,800
God in us is complete in every person. It's not

578
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:36,719
just like, oh, Jamie, you have the right side of

579
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:39,360
my image of God. Paul's got the left side. If

580
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:41,559
we come together, we'll have a full image of God.

581
00:35:41,639 --> 00:35:43,079
Like no, it's not how it works, like the image

582
00:35:43,119 --> 00:35:46,440
of God is a fractal so speed it's full at

583
00:35:46,559 --> 00:35:50,519
every single person. And that's why one saint can hold

584
00:35:50,519 --> 00:35:53,880
the whole world up in his single spark, rather than

585
00:35:54,159 --> 00:35:56,400
needing all the sparks to come together.

586
00:35:57,559 --> 00:36:02,199
Speaker 1: That's interesting because some theories are like the universe's holographic,

587
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:07,480
and like in a hologram, it's not fractured, it's miniature holes.

588
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:11,039
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, I don't think on that. Oh yeah, absolutely,

589
00:36:11,079 --> 00:36:15,320
I've never I had an old priest friend who studied

590
00:36:15,519 --> 00:36:18,079
was all in the holographic stuff, and I don't disagree.

591
00:36:18,079 --> 00:36:20,559
It's just not really my wheelhouse. But like, yeah, the

592
00:36:20,559 --> 00:36:23,320
hologram is a pretty good image because from the single

593
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:27,079
part of it, it will replicate the whole image, even

594
00:36:27,079 --> 00:36:28,320
from just a single part of it.

595
00:36:28,679 --> 00:36:29,360
Speaker 4: Yeah.

596
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 1: So now the blue theory has descended down to Earth

597
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:42,079
and given Pinocchio the spark, and he has free will

598
00:36:42,199 --> 00:36:45,840
and agency. But he's not yet a real boy. So

599
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:55,800
he's still this imperfect you know, initiate, not initiate. What's

600
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:59,719
the thing that comes before that? Would he be a

601
00:37:00,079 --> 00:37:03,360
choir or whatever? Yeah, he's he's outside of it.

602
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:07,920
Speaker 2: Still, he's a category man. He's not quite right.

603
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:14,320
Speaker 1: So he has to undergo this alchemical process of illumination

604
00:37:14,599 --> 00:37:19,079
by fighting temptations right with the help of his conscience,

605
00:37:19,199 --> 00:37:26,159
Jimminy Cricket, good old JC, Yes, who was? It was

606
00:37:26,159 --> 00:37:29,519
interesting because he was homeless at the beginning. Remember he

607
00:37:29,599 --> 00:37:31,920
was like looking for a home and then he found

608
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:36,920
Geppetto and when he was promoted to be the conscience

609
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:39,440
and he got like a new outfit with new shoes

610
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:40,960
and what do you think that?

611
00:37:43,199 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess he's been imbued with his divine

612
00:37:48,079 --> 00:37:51,400
like sort of he's been given his little magic totem stuff,

613
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:53,599
his new clothes. You know. It's kind of like make

614
00:37:53,639 --> 00:37:58,199
the deal, get the clothes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, the clothes

615
00:37:58,199 --> 00:38:00,440
make the manner. In this case, the cricket he puts

616
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:02,159
on his clothes, he feels like you'd be a better

617
00:38:02,159 --> 00:38:05,360
conscience when he's dressed. When dude, I've cleaned myself up

618
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:06,920
over the year, I'm like, yeah, it feels much better

619
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:08,760
being cleaned up. You feel like a new person, you know.

620
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:11,320
Speaker 1: Oh, I know the chat's gonna go crazy for your haircut.

621
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,519
Speaker 2: Oh dude, I've been looking back at all things of myself.

622
00:38:14,519 --> 00:38:17,079
I like, dude, get this cave guy out of here.

623
00:38:18,119 --> 00:38:23,960
Orthodox bro like anyways.

624
00:38:23,159 --> 00:38:26,199
Speaker 1: So he is, oh, what what was Jimmy Cricket like

625
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:27,440
in the Garamount del Toro.

626
00:38:28,079 --> 00:38:32,840
Speaker 2: Oh man, he uh, I mean he wasn't very different

627
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:35,639
from like in terms of being a like a conscience

628
00:38:35,679 --> 00:38:38,119
towards Pinocchio. His name I think wasn't Jimmy. I think

629
00:38:38,119 --> 00:38:41,320
it's like Sebastian or something. But it is strange because

630
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:47,320
when he made the deal, he basically said, I will

631
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:51,639
be his conscience in exchange for a book contract.

632
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 1: Hmmm.

633
00:38:54,559 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 2: That deal. He's like, so it's kind of like, I'll

634
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:04,440
play conscience for you know, some man deal. And then yeah,

635
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:09,159
and spoiler, at the end, Pinocchio doesn't actually become a

636
00:39:09,199 --> 00:39:12,119
real boy. And I found out that in the Disney

637
00:39:12,159 --> 00:39:13,800
remake that just came out a couple of years ago.

638
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:16,039
He also doesn't turn into a real boy in that one.

639
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 1: Oh really.

640
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:20,320
Speaker 2: Yeah. They say they have the most ambiguous endings. At

641
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:24,119
the end of Guerremo, he says, the narrator Jimmy Crickett says,

642
00:39:24,559 --> 00:39:28,159
is he real? I don't know what happens. Happens and

643
00:39:28,199 --> 00:39:31,519
then we die. It's literally the end of the movie.

644
00:39:32,599 --> 00:39:34,199
Speaker 1: That's not very Disney like.

645
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:36,360
Speaker 2: No, that wasn't so that was the del Toro, But

646
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:39,519
the Disney one says basically the same thing. He says

647
00:39:39,679 --> 00:39:43,000
Pinocchio is as real as any real boy can be.

648
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:46,360
Doesn't actually become real though, and it just kind of

649
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:48,920
ends on this freeze frame ending you're like, so, what

650
00:39:49,079 --> 00:39:51,519
actually happened here? So it's funny, but I brought that

651
00:39:51,599 --> 00:39:54,480
up because actually, at the end of Pinocchio the del

652
00:39:54,519 --> 00:39:58,559
Toro one, he dies in his active sacrifice for his father,

653
00:39:59,119 --> 00:40:02,199
but he come back to life, where prior to this

654
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:04,599
whole movie, he was entering into these like bardos where

655
00:40:04,639 --> 00:40:07,119
he would constantly die and be born again over and

656
00:40:07,159 --> 00:40:09,480
over again. And it was like, you gotta see, this

657
00:40:09,599 --> 00:40:12,280
movie is crazy, and it was like he was so

658
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:14,440
he was immortal and so he'd always be going down

659
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:17,039
to purgatory everything he did. And then eventually he finally

660
00:40:17,079 --> 00:40:19,960
did this act of self sacrifice that caused him to

661
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:24,000
die once. But everyone's so sad. Jimmy Cricket says, oh,

662
00:40:24,119 --> 00:40:27,840
remember to the fairy, Remember when you cut that deal

663
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:29,519
with me at the beginning that I would be his

664
00:40:29,599 --> 00:40:32,519
conscience for the book deal, Well, I actually want him

665
00:40:32,559 --> 00:40:34,719
to come back to life. That's what I want my

666
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:37,039
deal to be. And so in the end, it's crazy

667
00:40:37,079 --> 00:40:40,320
because like Pinocchio's good deed isn't even what makes him

668
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:44,920
become a boy. It's the deal Jimmy Cricket plays with

669
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:49,440
the gods to like uphold this basically pagan contract of

670
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:50,440
his soul. And it's.

671
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:57,039
Speaker 1: Well, I do not know how close that is to

672
00:40:57,239 --> 00:41:02,840
the original cereal of Pinocchio. Maybe they are going off

673
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:05,559
of that because that was a lot different than Disney.

674
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:13,119
And even Jimmy Crickett gets squashed by hammer in the

675
00:41:13,159 --> 00:41:13,880
original tale.

676
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:18,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I know, it's crazy. He's in the original story.

677
00:41:18,199 --> 00:41:20,880
Pinocchio doesn't even get the desire to become a real

678
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:23,400
boy till like twenty fifth or twenty six out of

679
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:26,480
thirtieth chapter of the book. So it's interesting how much

680
00:41:26,519 --> 00:41:31,320
Disney it's It's funny because like maybe this is not

681
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:34,119
the final thought. We'll share it, and I but one

682
00:41:34,159 --> 00:41:36,320
of my concluding thoughts of this because just so I

683
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:40,000
don't forget it talk about now. But like compare this

684
00:41:40,079 --> 00:41:43,280
Dell del Toro version. It was like super pagan and

685
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:46,760
like super cool, like the Disney one actually does feel

686
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:50,639
more Christian. It's like in comparison between the two because

687
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:53,119
just the way things play out. I think if anybody's

688
00:41:53,159 --> 00:41:55,800
seen the two, they could they could maybe maybe see

689
00:41:55,800 --> 00:42:01,440
where I'm coming from. But uh, shoot, where is I

690
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:06,119
going with all that? Dang I lost my I lost

691
00:42:06,159 --> 00:42:07,199
the other threat I was gonna make.

692
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:11,760
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, go on, that's okay, So, uh going on

693
00:42:12,159 --> 00:42:17,480
to school. So school is his now he's the catechuman, right,

694
00:42:18,039 --> 00:42:20,800
he is the apprentice and an apprentice, that's the word

695
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:23,239
I was looking for. He's on his way to school,

696
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:26,119
which is the nosis, and he is distracted by the

697
00:42:26,159 --> 00:42:31,159
shady characters, and he's promised fame, he's promised money, he's

698
00:42:31,199 --> 00:42:36,039
promised wooden women, all of the typical pitfalls that you

699
00:42:36,199 --> 00:42:40,840
would encounter on your hero's journey, which this is totally

700
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:44,679
a hero's journey. And I know you were listening to

701
00:42:45,199 --> 00:42:48,440
Jordan Peterson talk about Pinocchio a little bit, so tell

702
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:48,880
us what.

703
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:51,400
Speaker 2: That was about. Yeah, okay, this will Actually this helps

704
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:52,960
me remember my thought I was gonna say about Garim

705
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:56,679
Wars too. It was so interesting because I think at

706
00:42:56,719 --> 00:43:00,000
the end of watching Jordan Peterson, like the Six Hours

707
00:43:00,119 --> 00:43:07,639
or whatever, I watched this whole thing like Personal Paul

708
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:14,280
stuff aside, you noticed the evolutionary power thing with the

709
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:18,280
hero's journeys. What meaning like Jordan Peterson talks about the

710
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:21,039
kingdom to heaven and all that stuff, the road, the

711
00:43:21,119 --> 00:43:24,239
Kingdom within you, all this stuff. It's like he kind

712
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:27,159
of like does the Christian adjacent thing, the Gnostic kind

713
00:43:27,159 --> 00:43:29,199
of moor or whatever New World waves looking at it.

714
00:43:29,599 --> 00:43:35,119
But it's always like the underlying messages is that evolution

715
00:43:36,159 --> 00:43:43,480
created this situation wherein the hero journey is like somehow

716
00:43:44,199 --> 00:43:46,440
that's like literally baked in somehow, like they don't know,

717
00:43:46,519 --> 00:43:50,639
it's like somehow built into the evolutionary need to say

718
00:43:50,639 --> 00:43:53,920
that cooperation all these things is better than power and

719
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:55,800
that it's better to be a good boy than to

720
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:59,800
fight against it. But what's implied in that still is

721
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:03,440
that like you're the biggest dog on the playground. Like

722
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:07,079
there's always the implication of rising above something and that

723
00:44:07,599 --> 00:44:10,960
forever progression and a scent. And I just realized, like

724
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:14,599
this is not at all how I see things as

725
00:44:14,599 --> 00:44:15,119
a Christian.

726
00:44:15,159 --> 00:44:15,320
Speaker 4: You know.

727
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:21,079
Speaker 2: It's like it's our humility. Yeah, It's like he is

728
00:44:21,079 --> 00:44:22,880
there a humility that we grow and it's like so

729
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:26,519
all of these yeah, I guess all these I don't know,

730
00:44:26,599 --> 00:44:30,000
these interpretations they like his, and then Gary with del

731
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:34,199
Toro's too, they're sort of baked within this system that

732
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:38,400
let me say any different way, and garymal del Toro's movie,

733
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:40,519
you get the sense, and I think you get the

734
00:44:40,559 --> 00:44:43,000
sense from a lot of art these days that it's

735
00:44:43,039 --> 00:44:46,559
the artist's job to break us out of the system,

736
00:44:47,639 --> 00:44:51,360
and that the system will always be stifling creativity. But

737
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:54,519
the joke is that the system has a spot inside

738
00:44:54,559 --> 00:44:57,719
the system for rebels to rebel against the system.

739
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:01,239
Speaker 1: Yes, that's what Grateful Dead is and things like that.

740
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:03,840
Counterculture is just the same stuff.

741
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:08,639
Speaker 2: I saw this great uh meme. It was like, hey, guys,

742
00:45:08,639 --> 00:45:10,320
I'm going to my first Grateful Dead show. What do

743
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:11,800
you think in the outfit was like a happ it

744
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:14,639
said FBI with like secrets on it. Yeah, said like

745
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:19,760
fish sucks, Jerry's dead, get a job exactly. It was awesome.

746
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:25,239
Speaker 1: So Pinocchio was on his Here's journey? Is that mostly

747
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:28,280
what Jordan Peterson would say about Yeah.

748
00:45:28,079 --> 00:45:29,800
Speaker 2: I mean, let me look at my notes really quick,

749
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:31,639
just to see if I wrote here.

750
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:41,840
Speaker 1: So in his decisions by choosing to go with the

751
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:45,800
Fox and the Cat to chase his fame and fortune

752
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:48,880
and this the song is actually like an actor's life

753
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:55,480
for me. Remember Hi did lead and he is actually

754
00:45:55,559 --> 00:46:01,400
mirroring the fall of Adam. And this is what well,

755
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:03,840
it's just where all his problems start. You know, he's

756
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:08,880
just created. He's just you know, created from the dust

757
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:11,239
or the wood, and then he was given this divine

758
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:15,559
spark and he chooses the first decision he does out

759
00:46:15,599 --> 00:46:18,400
in the world is to fall into temptation.

760
00:46:19,199 --> 00:46:20,760
Speaker 2: I think they give him an apple too, just I

761
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:21,599
mean it's so on the nome.

762
00:46:21,679 --> 00:46:23,239
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, he's like, give this to your

763
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:25,159
teacher and then somebody else ends up eating it.

764
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:27,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's almost not fair to mention that. But yeah.

765
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:31,000
So I have a little, very short quote from Saint

766
00:46:31,079 --> 00:46:34,000
John Cron's step. This is from My Life in Christ,

767
00:46:34,039 --> 00:46:38,360
page three eighty four. If anybody has it, what effect

768
00:46:38,599 --> 00:46:41,719
does the theater have on the heart? The spirit of

769
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:48,159
this world? The spirit of idleness, idle talk, just cunning, wickedness, pride, presumption.

770
00:46:48,679 --> 00:46:51,639
They do not bring any moral good to anyone. The

771
00:46:51,679 --> 00:46:54,599
authors of dramas and the actors only give people what

772
00:46:54,679 --> 00:46:58,679
they have in themselves, their own spirit, neither more nor less.

773
00:46:59,119 --> 00:47:02,079
And do the actors think of public morality? Have they

774
00:47:02,159 --> 00:47:06,760
any intention to correcting people's morals? None whatsoever? Which is

775
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:08,760
funny because this is one hundred and twenty some years ago,

776
00:47:09,039 --> 00:47:11,719
and it's fun because actors are now trying to correct

777
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:14,480
our morals. But I still think what Saint John says

778
00:47:14,559 --> 00:47:16,000
is right on the money.

779
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:22,320
Speaker 1: Well, this is super interesting because actors come from mystery

780
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:26,000
schools and mystery plays. So the even the idea of

781
00:47:26,119 --> 00:47:30,840
Greek theater and the very profession of actor would be

782
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:35,199
somebody who is an idol or standing in the place

783
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:37,920
of a god or a deity. And I know I've

784
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:40,519
been promising y'all, me and Donut are going to do

785
00:47:40,599 --> 00:47:43,360
a show, but I just wanted to make sure I

786
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:44,960
did all my homework before I got them on. And

787
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:47,639
I have all these three books about ancient mystery cults.

788
00:47:47,679 --> 00:47:52,400
So this is where acting comes from. Is lay acting

789
00:47:52,599 --> 00:47:55,199
a god or a deed. So I've got this book,

790
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:57,960
I've got mystery cults in the ancient world. I've got

791
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:02,880
the old secret Teachings of Ages, all that right there.

792
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:06,079
So we're gonna be talking about that.

793
00:48:06,079 --> 00:48:08,719
Speaker 2: Relation to me. By the way, if anyone's.

794
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:12,800
Speaker 1: Wondering what manley p hall Oh.

795
00:48:12,039 --> 00:48:13,519
Speaker 2: Yes, my relation.

796
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:15,719
Speaker 1: Jay likes to call them manly p whole.

797
00:48:16,559 --> 00:48:18,840
Speaker 2: Oh yeah. So it's funny, we said about person. I

798
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:21,960
just had another thought of one of these like hey kids,

799
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:25,119
look out. But the word person, it's one of those

800
00:48:25,159 --> 00:48:30,440
ones that, uh, there's different. If you go Latin, well,

801
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:34,800
I'll bat it back. Person can either mean through sound,

802
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:38,079
persona or a person can derive from this other Greek

803
00:48:38,119 --> 00:48:41,039
word which I can't say, well, prosopolymis basically his face

804
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:44,559
face to face. And so let's just for lack of

805
00:48:44,599 --> 00:48:48,159
a to just kind of make it quick. There's the

806
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:51,360
Christian version of a person, and a person in Christian

807
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:55,880
sense is you plus another person like that you're not

808
00:48:55,960 --> 00:49:00,760
a person until you're in relation to another. Where the

809
00:49:01,119 --> 00:49:03,280
sort of no I bring this up now is because

810
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:05,760
I'm thinking many people will listen to Alan Watts and

811
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:09,360
he'll talk about like, oh, person means it's a Greek

812
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:11,440
word for sound, and the person is a mask that

813
00:49:11,519 --> 00:49:14,800
you wear and really underneath every person is this deeper

814
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:17,199
you know, blah blah blah blah blah. But the idea

815
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:19,559
is that that that's one of these linguistic slight of

816
00:49:19,559 --> 00:49:23,079
hands that diminishes the word person to mean purely a mask,

817
00:49:23,159 --> 00:49:25,760
and that's not what it means. That's like the bull

818
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:30,280
interpretation of it. It's like not so people should be

819
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:33,000
aware that mean that all ties back to the theater, because

820
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:35,000
Alan Watts is in the sense of the Greek theater

821
00:49:35,039 --> 00:49:37,719
would use the persona as a mask through which sound

822
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:40,559
would come out. And it's like that's not wrong, but

823
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:43,239
it's kind of like so elementary way of looking at

824
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:45,679
it that if you have that idea of a person alone,

825
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:48,440
that's all a person is is a mask through which

826
00:49:48,519 --> 00:49:50,880
a theater, you know, an actor through which sound comes out.

827
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:55,079
You're gonna be kind of handicapping yourself in a bit

828
00:49:55,079 --> 00:49:57,400
of what it really means to be a person. So

829
00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:00,119
I think it's just another one of those words that

830
00:50:00,159 --> 00:50:02,320
gets used in the wrong way and kind of has

831
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:04,599
a whole life of its own and new definitions that

832
00:50:05,119 --> 00:50:07,039
Sorry I'm wrangling, I'm right. I think you get my point.

833
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:11,239
Speaker 1: That's okay. So, yeah, we're talking about actors and mystery schools.

834
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:16,320
So Pinocchio is being distracted from his divine mission, which

835
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:22,079
was school by acting or I don't know if he's

836
00:50:22,119 --> 00:50:25,559
alluding to different mystery cults that can throw you off

837
00:50:25,639 --> 00:50:32,800
your path, but this is where he gets kidnapped by Stromboli, right,

838
00:50:33,679 --> 00:50:39,800
and he is a natural actor he goes out, he

839
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:44,920
gets the natural laught just because he is clumsy and

840
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:48,519
he looks like a puppet, but he has no strings, right,

841
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:49,679
and that's.

842
00:50:49,519 --> 00:50:53,199
Speaker 2: Where you get go ahead, you're gonna have to finish

843
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:53,480
it up.

844
00:50:54,039 --> 00:50:56,760
Speaker 1: Well, I was just gonna say, he's still a puppet.

845
00:50:56,800 --> 00:51:03,599
Even though he's not being controlled directly by Strombulie, he's

846
00:51:03,639 --> 00:51:06,280
still a being controlled by him.

847
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:08,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's exactly. I was literally gonna say the same

848
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:11,440
exact thing that. It's like back to saying the machine

849
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:13,039
has a place for you where you think you're not

850
00:51:13,119 --> 00:51:17,079
part of the machine. So here around, I've got no strings.

851
00:51:17,079 --> 00:51:19,599
I've got no strings. I'm a free person. Like, dude,

852
00:51:19,599 --> 00:51:22,559
you are not free. You're so far from free it's

853
00:51:23,079 --> 00:51:24,199
not even funny.

854
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:26,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, so he exactly he thinks he's free, but then

855
00:51:26,559 --> 00:51:28,119
he gets thrown in a cage at night.

856
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:32,119
Speaker 2: Oh that scene. Honestly, Like, I've watched this movie a

857
00:51:32,159 --> 00:51:34,719
few times preparing for this, and like that every time,

858
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:36,360
I'm like, I just want to go grab that little

859
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:38,199
one boy and give him a hug. I feel so

860
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:48,599
bad for him in that little cage. He's terri I'm saying, dude,

861
00:51:48,599 --> 00:51:51,039
these are good artists. Many they get you to like

862
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:55,159
even yeah, like they show everything you need to know.

863
00:51:55,199 --> 00:51:55,800
It's crazy.

864
00:51:56,599 --> 00:52:00,760
Speaker 1: And I mean, if you wanted to put some kind

865
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:04,440
of virtuous Christian spin on this, I mean Pinocchio has

866
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:06,760
to become a good boy to be a real.

867
00:52:06,599 --> 00:52:11,079
Speaker 2: Boy, right, yeah, And I think that's something good good.

868
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:13,400
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say, he does have to find that,

869
00:52:14,119 --> 00:52:19,400
you know, divine virtue to self actualize into reality.

870
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:23,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. What I love about these films and it's just life, right,

871
00:52:24,039 --> 00:52:27,119
It's like things are how we see them, you know.

872
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:30,119
And so it's like I think it's like the Lord says,

873
00:52:30,159 --> 00:52:32,400
be wise as a snake, but innocent as a dog.

874
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:34,119
And so I love looking at this stuff because it's

875
00:52:34,159 --> 00:52:37,719
like the gnastic stuff's true. The Christian stuff is there.

876
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:40,320
It's there in the sense that like dude, God made

877
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:43,039
every God is in charge of everything, like every single

878
00:52:43,039 --> 00:52:44,840
movie coming out of Hollywood, Like he might not have

879
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:47,599
blessed it, but like he will use it. He's like

880
00:52:47,639 --> 00:52:50,800
the cosmic GPS navigator that will like reroute us to

881
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:53,280
where we gotta go to get safe. So it's like

882
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:59,360
you can find truth in everything. But it's like there's

883
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:02,920
a phrase and Romans says truth in unrighteousness, which means

884
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:05,679
there's truth but not the whole thing. And so it's

885
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:08,639
like I can appreciate these movies now that maybe I'm

886
00:53:08,679 --> 00:53:11,599
just like so much deeper in the liturgical life out

887
00:53:11,599 --> 00:53:13,880
here where it's like it doesn't have as much as

888
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:19,280
an effect on me. But I can't deny that the

889
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:23,360
gnostic stuff, the occult thing is like like I'm trying

890
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:26,199
to make lemonade out of this stuff here. Man, They're

891
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:29,079
like some bad, bad fruits coming off this tree that.

892
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:37,360
Speaker 1: You're trying to make the best of the bad. But

893
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:42,159
I think I Sasonry was doing that too, because there's

894
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:45,199
and we're talking about this when we talk about Hunchback

895
00:53:45,199 --> 00:53:50,880
of Notre Dame. Obviously a lot of these Enlightenment ideals

896
00:53:51,079 --> 00:53:54,960
did produce things that were beautiful, like beautiful cathedrals and

897
00:53:55,440 --> 00:54:04,719
architecture and things that are subjectively good. So that's something

898
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:07,559
I still want to like suss out, is like, what

899
00:54:07,679 --> 00:54:12,320
were guild masons the same as? Uh?

900
00:54:12,559 --> 00:54:15,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, like you're saying, were the actual craftsman's people involved

901
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:18,320
in all this stuff? Who were they actually working for?

902
00:54:19,199 --> 00:54:24,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean like building your beautiful Gothic cathedrals and stuff.

903
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:32,039
These were for Christianity. They weren't, you know, for the devil.

904
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:36,360
Speaker 2: Right, It's it's like I think, at best, this will

905
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:38,440
be good because we're gonna did we mention live what

906
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:40,519
we're gonna do next prop.

907
00:54:40,199 --> 00:54:41,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll do hunchback next time.

908
00:54:41,559 --> 00:54:44,679
Speaker 2: Yah yeah yeah, laugh at that. But but the Gothic stuff,

909
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:47,079
like these are beautiful cathedrals, it's true, but like from

910
00:54:47,079 --> 00:54:51,719
an Orthodox perspective, it's very also illuminating, no pun intended,

911
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:56,000
because it's very different from how we even perceive the universe.

912
00:54:56,039 --> 00:54:58,199
The way it's built, the way that the Gothic is

913
00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:00,480
sort of like the idea with all this.

914
00:55:00,599 --> 00:55:03,800
Speaker 5: Stone, like so much weight, it becomes weightless and the

915
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:07,480
light shines through where It's like our churches are mostly

916
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:09,400
a lot of the times, they're like the walls are

917
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:12,320
this thick and there's like no windows till they're very.

918
00:55:12,199 --> 00:55:15,000
Speaker 2: High up and it's all lined with saints. It's like,

919
00:55:15,039 --> 00:55:20,679
so we just have a different world, you know, like

920
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:22,840
mindset of how we even see these things, and so

921
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:24,960
like I can find it beating a Gothic church, but

922
00:55:25,639 --> 00:55:28,440
I also acknowledge this is not like the right way

923
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:29,039
to worship.

924
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:33,800
Speaker 1: Okay, interesting, well, let's put it into luciferium, I guess,

925
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:40,800
talking about illumination and light and the gothic light. Pinocchio

926
00:55:41,079 --> 00:55:52,280
is Luciferian. And this also relates to the Spielberg movie AI,

927
00:55:52,599 --> 00:55:58,440
which is you said Kubrick wanted to do AI, yeah.

928
00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:01,639
Speaker 2: And Spielberg finished it.

929
00:56:00,559 --> 00:56:06,440
Speaker 1: Right, So the little boy in AI is basically Pinocchio, right.

930
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:09,159
He has to become a good little robot boy so

931
00:56:09,199 --> 00:56:12,119
that he can become a real boy. And he's even

932
00:56:12,199 --> 00:56:16,400
obsessed with the blue fairy in the Spielberg movie AI.

933
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:21,159
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, and the spiel one, if I remember correctly,

934
00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:25,480
I don't remember very well, but like he gets kicked

935
00:56:25,519 --> 00:56:27,920
out of his family because like the other boy comes

936
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:30,360
back who is supposed to be dead, and then it's

937
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:33,960
like the whole movie. It's like totally changes the nature

938
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:35,920
of what the story is about, because it's now about

939
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:38,320
like you are the only same thing in the Garama

940
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:41,559
del Toro, everybody dies except the immortal Pinocchio boy, and

941
00:56:41,599 --> 00:56:44,840
so then it becomes this huge meditation on like loss,

942
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:47,360
and you know, I don't know, I really don't know

943
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:50,559
what to make of it because it's like the the

944
00:56:50,639 --> 00:56:53,400
Disney one, I think, at best is kind of like

945
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:56,400
about theosis, or you could say, if not just becoming

946
00:56:56,440 --> 00:57:00,719
a person, like moving from imitation, because everything Piano Pinano

947
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:03,960
Pinocchio does is imitating. He's copying life. He doesn't know

948
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:07,360
what to do to actually participating being a real person.

949
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:10,960
And so it's like that move from imitation to participation

950
00:57:11,119 --> 00:57:14,199
is I think the journey you know, hopefully I'm long

951
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:18,360
and that's kind of like to participate in life rather

952
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:19,480
than just imitating it.

953
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:22,280
Speaker 1: Well, did you notice one of the first things he

954
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:24,679
did when he was brought to life, which set himself

955
00:57:24,679 --> 00:57:25,119
on fire?

956
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:26,840
Speaker 2: Yeah?

957
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:34,360
Speaker 1: Right, So this is, yeah, a Promethean nod, a Luciferian

958
00:57:34,519 --> 00:57:36,599
Like if you look up lucifer in the dictionary and

959
00:57:36,639 --> 00:57:39,320
an old dictionary, one of the definitions would be a

960
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:44,360
friction match. So like just the idea of lighting up

961
00:57:44,679 --> 00:57:48,360
your I think it's his finger or something, wasn't it

962
00:57:48,559 --> 00:57:49,280
he has his finger?

963
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:51,679
Speaker 2: It's crazy. I have a little picture of that when

964
00:57:51,679 --> 00:57:55,079
we go through the slideshow. It's crazy because I can

965
00:57:55,119 --> 00:57:57,440
imagine them sitting in the room. They're just like stalling

966
00:57:57,440 --> 00:57:59,000
for time, like, Okay, what do we do now? That's

967
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:01,039
how I might staying the face and that'd be fun

968
00:58:01,079 --> 00:58:03,400
and da da da, And I'm serious, like, I bet

969
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:06,840
it was that simple. But that's also I think the

970
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:09,599
crazy thing of like how we as human beings are

971
00:58:09,639 --> 00:58:12,199
like plugged into the spiritual world where you could be like,

972
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:15,760
even though you're innocently just thinking about like what would

973
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:18,039
be way to kill you know, forty frames on the

974
00:58:18,119 --> 00:58:20,960
camera and do four seconds of screen time. That'd be fun.

975
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:23,960
It shows he's learning stuff, but it kind of shows

976
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:26,000
like to give young his credit, if I may, Like,

977
00:58:26,039 --> 00:58:29,480
there's that sort of weird archetypal nets in us that

978
00:58:29,599 --> 00:58:32,639
like glob onto these certain images. And I think when

979
00:58:32,679 --> 00:58:36,719
the when the mind the twentieth century, twenty near, let's

980
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:38,920
just say, modern mind of the last five hundred years,

981
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:43,599
like defaults more towards this gnostic orientation than a truly

982
00:58:44,119 --> 00:58:46,079
you know, incarnated Christian.

983
00:58:45,679 --> 00:58:48,480
Speaker 1: One the Akashak Records, Man, we're all tapeded.

984
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:52,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, I gotta, I gotta, I gotta got a

985
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:54,679
library free pass. Dude, got a lifetime pass.

986
00:58:55,960 --> 00:58:58,480
Speaker 1: I got a library card to the Akashak Redcords.

987
00:58:58,639 --> 00:59:01,840
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I'm cutting it up though now that I'm

988
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:02,519
out of state.

989
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:08,320
Speaker 1: So in Ai the movie, I mean, he Ai is

990
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:11,840
Luciferian all by itself. We could take a whole show

991
00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:14,280
and talk about that, and I'll probably do a live

992
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:17,719
stream outlining my new book called The All Seeing AI

993
00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:25,679
pretty soon. But the Blue Fairy, so her, uh, the

994
00:59:25,719 --> 00:59:30,599
model who did the work for Blue Fairy. It was

995
00:59:30,639 --> 00:59:34,679
also the model for Colombia Pictures.

996
00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:38,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, isn't that crazy? Yeah? Both where?

997
00:59:38,119 --> 00:59:38,320
Speaker 1: I know?

998
00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:41,280
Speaker 2: Yeah that she was one of There are a few models

999
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:42,840
they chose, but I was I thought that was interesting.

1000
00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:43,840
I was doing my research.

1001
00:59:45,119 --> 00:59:48,360
Speaker 1: So did you happen to know who Colombia is?

1002
00:59:50,079 --> 00:59:50,119
Speaker 2: No?

1003
00:59:50,719 --> 00:59:55,360
Speaker 1: Tell me, Huh, Colombia is a goddess. That's why we

1004
00:59:55,480 --> 01:00:00,480
have a district of Columbia. That's why we have Columbia Pictures.

1005
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:04,960
So Lady Columbia or Miss Columbia is literally the female

1006
01:00:05,079 --> 01:00:07,480
national personification of the United States.

1007
01:00:08,639 --> 01:00:13,199
Speaker 2: Oh really like the you know the Colombia boat at

1008
01:00:13,199 --> 01:00:16,719
Disneyland too. No, I'm sorry, it's the Columbus. But still

1009
01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:18,400
basically it's the same, the same.

1010
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:22,000
Speaker 1: Root word, same idea. But yeah, so she is basically

1011
01:00:22,079 --> 01:00:25,960
America's goddess. This is one representation of her.

1012
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:31,280
Speaker 2: She's usually got a yes and the company.

1013
01:00:32,639 --> 01:00:37,360
Speaker 1: The statue on the top of the Capitol Building in Washington,

1014
01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:40,480
d C. Is also a woman or amalgam of like

1015
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:45,719
Columbia and a Native American woman and some other like.

1016
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:47,800
Speaker 2: It.

1017
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:50,239
Speaker 1: It's Britannia. I'm not sure, but so she is a

1018
01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:55,159
goddess also right on the Capitol buildings. So Colombia the

1019
01:00:55,199 --> 01:00:58,239
goddess is a pretty, you know, deep esoteric thing that

1020
01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:01,119
not a lot of people talk about. But yeah, she

1021
01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:04,719
is the personification of America. And this would make sense

1022
01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:07,719
too if he was an Enlightenment freemason, he would be

1023
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:10,559
on board with, you know, the independence of America.

1024
01:01:11,199 --> 01:01:14,360
Speaker 2: I'm going to send you while we're chatting, sorry, a

1025
01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:16,199
picture I saw an art museum of like the whole

1026
01:01:16,239 --> 01:01:19,039
spirit of America thing. It was lovely, oh, you know

1027
01:01:19,119 --> 01:01:21,760
in that kind of disgusting kind of way.

1028
01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:27,440
Speaker 1: Picture of a statue that's on top of the Capitol

1029
01:01:27,719 --> 01:01:28,480
is beautiful.

1030
01:01:30,119 --> 01:01:37,119
Speaker 2: It's a good photo. But yeah, let's see here, all right.

1031
01:01:37,159 --> 01:01:39,639
I'm sending you over it now. You can check it

1032
01:01:39,679 --> 01:01:44,800
out later. Sorry, chat we're gonna pull it up. See, Okay,

1033
01:01:45,639 --> 01:01:47,599
we're making good television right now. We're like both looking

1034
01:01:47,639 --> 01:01:48,199
at our phones.

1035
01:01:50,039 --> 01:01:55,960
Speaker 1: Well, so that's Columbia. That's the blue faery. That is uh,

1036
01:01:56,679 --> 01:02:01,119
the personification of you know, America and its values, which

1037
01:02:01,199 --> 01:02:06,840
is freedom. And she also represents the Pistosophia of the Gnostics.

1038
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:07,199
Speaker 3: What is that?

1039
01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:11,119
Speaker 2: Can it? Is it blurry? Can you see it? Oh?

1040
01:02:11,159 --> 01:02:12,840
Speaker 1: I can see it. Can you describe what?

1041
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:16,920
Speaker 2: Yeah? It's the spirit of America. Why can't I? Oh

1042
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:20,079
you got to see that little sin cap therap top

1043
01:02:20,159 --> 01:02:22,960
and yep. I sent it over to you so you

1044
01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:23,559
can check it out.

1045
01:02:23,719 --> 01:02:23,960
Speaker 1: Okay.

1046
01:02:24,599 --> 01:02:27,079
Speaker 2: The description of this painting so people can look it up.

1047
01:02:27,679 --> 01:02:33,400
It's the Genesis of America from eighteen sixty eight. I

1048
01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:35,079
think I can't really read it here. It's called the

1049
01:02:35,079 --> 01:02:41,960
Genesis of America by Adolph V. Something. He's a French

1050
01:02:42,079 --> 01:02:46,320
artist type in nineteenth century genesis Genus Genesis of America painting. Okay,

1051
01:02:46,440 --> 01:02:47,800
see all that in there?

1052
01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:51,519
Speaker 1: Yeah? So I bet you didn't think that Pinocchio was

1053
01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:54,320
connected to all this crazy stuff, did you.

1054
01:02:54,559 --> 01:02:57,599
Speaker 2: I love it, Jane, I love It's crazy. Let's keep going.

1055
01:02:58,360 --> 01:03:01,079
Speaker 1: So, like we were talking about before, she is Sophia

1056
01:03:02,599 --> 01:03:08,960
of the Gnostics and Pinocchio is also on his fool's journey.

1057
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:10,800
So there's Kabbala again.

1058
01:03:11,599 --> 01:03:11,840
Speaker 4: Uh.

1059
01:03:11,880 --> 01:03:14,960
Speaker 1: If you look at the fool in the tarot deck,

1060
01:03:15,599 --> 01:03:21,039
that's very Pinocchio, Like he's about to walk off a cliff, right,

1061
01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:29,519
And Taro or Tarochi comes from that area in Italy,

1062
01:03:29,639 --> 01:03:33,480
so he is also on this fool's journey of the tarot.

1063
01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:38,079
Speaker 2: I didn't know Taro was in Italy. That's interesting.

1064
01:03:40,280 --> 01:03:45,239
Speaker 1: One last thing about the Blue Fairy just so happens

1065
01:03:45,519 --> 01:03:49,559
that Isis. So we were talking about stars before, right,

1066
01:03:50,159 --> 01:03:54,119
And in Egypt, Sirius was known as Isis. Sothis right,

1067
01:03:54,159 --> 01:03:59,280
the goddess, and Venus is also associated with Isis the

1068
01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:04,119
Blue Fairy. In the book, Pinocchio is called the Fairy

1069
01:04:04,159 --> 01:04:11,079
with turquoise hair. Yeah, right, in Isis.

1070
01:04:11,960 --> 01:04:15,599
Speaker 2: I'm sorry what she dies at some point too. Oh,

1071
01:04:15,880 --> 01:04:16,480
she's not even a.

1072
01:04:17,000 --> 01:04:20,480
Speaker 1: Spirit if I remember correctly what I was reading about

1073
01:04:20,519 --> 01:04:24,400
the books. So Pinocchio comes upon the Fairy with turquoise hair,

1074
01:04:25,159 --> 01:04:28,519
and she is in a house full of dead family members,

1075
01:04:28,559 --> 01:04:31,679
and she's awaiting the undertaker to come with all of

1076
01:04:31,719 --> 01:04:35,679
the caskets, and she herself is also dead in some way.

1077
01:04:37,519 --> 01:04:42,920
So there's a lot going on in the book than

1078
01:04:43,159 --> 01:04:44,880
there is in the movie. Like the movie is just

1079
01:04:44,920 --> 01:04:48,199
like Baby's First Mystery School, right, But.

1080
01:04:50,440 --> 01:04:53,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, it totally is it's like and it's also it's

1081
01:04:53,800 --> 01:04:56,079
to say, I give it up. It's impressive, whether this

1082
01:04:56,199 --> 01:04:58,679
is good or batter, it's just impressive the way Walt

1083
01:04:58,719 --> 01:05:01,480
Disney was able to take stuff and like streamline it

1084
01:05:02,119 --> 01:05:05,079
to get to these new cores. Because like I was

1085
01:05:05,159 --> 01:05:08,639
really blown away. Like and again I think I'm just

1086
01:05:08,679 --> 01:05:10,920
doing apologetics, like I'm trying to see things as good

1087
01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:15,840
as possible, but like I feel like Disney still kept

1088
01:05:15,840 --> 01:05:20,639
that core Christian adjacent Protestant Christian stuff in there, at

1089
01:05:20,719 --> 01:05:24,159
least of like moral goodness and the idea of like

1090
01:05:24,559 --> 01:05:27,159
the theosis thing. Because it's like it's interesting because Disney,

1091
01:05:27,559 --> 01:05:30,199
he I mean, there's been I was also there. Since

1092
01:05:31,079 --> 01:05:34,000
the last eighty years, there have been fifteen film adaptations

1093
01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:37,239
of Pinocchio let alone, like all the other things video games,

1094
01:05:37,280 --> 01:05:40,199
TV shows, blah blah blah, but Disney's was pretty early on,

1095
01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:42,400
you know. And so I think, like it's it's interesting

1096
01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:44,400
because I think he was pulling He wasn't pulling from

1097
01:05:44,440 --> 01:05:46,840
other movies or anything like that, you know, so he

1098
01:05:46,920 --> 01:05:48,960
really had to kind of just pick and choose from

1099
01:05:49,039 --> 01:05:54,599
the Colode story what to turn into his Pinocchio. And

1100
01:05:54,679 --> 01:05:56,800
I'm just I'm kind of fascinated with the elements he

1101
01:05:56,920 --> 01:06:00,480
chose and sort of the story while yeah, all the

1102
01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:04,440
Meltson went together, and how what his sort of trajet

1103
01:06:04,599 --> 01:06:07,519
his plan was with making that movie. And I'd like

1104
01:06:07,599 --> 01:06:08,480
to go ahead.

1105
01:06:08,559 --> 01:06:12,800
Speaker 1: I know, because I keep finding these correlations and I'm

1106
01:06:12,800 --> 01:06:15,280
like there's no way, and then like, yes, way, it

1107
01:06:15,280 --> 01:06:18,119
can't be coincidence or whatever, because what I was gonna

1108
01:06:18,119 --> 01:06:20,880
say is Isis is also known as the goddess of

1109
01:06:20,920 --> 01:06:27,280
the Lapis Lazuli head. So isis Is, Yeah, has blue hair,

1110
01:06:28,800 --> 01:06:32,280
just like the fairy with turquoise hair. And if what's

1111
01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:37,599
not Missini what was his author's name, Harlow Lorenzini, if

1112
01:06:37,639 --> 01:06:41,199
he was in any kind of esoterica at all, he

1113
01:06:41,280 --> 01:06:45,239
would be knowing who isis Is and what her actress are.

1114
01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:49,119
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, I think it's like you know, I know,

1115
01:06:49,159 --> 01:06:50,840
I said like twenty minutes ago, but I think it's

1116
01:06:50,840 --> 01:06:54,679
like people of our last century, the modern man or whatever,

1117
01:06:54,719 --> 01:06:57,599
the last few centuries, it's like we have this default

1118
01:06:57,599 --> 01:07:02,239
operating system to mythology and the old gods and all

1119
01:07:02,280 --> 01:07:05,840
this gnostic Luciferian you know, lack of a better word

1120
01:07:05,880 --> 01:07:10,639
of cult grounds for that our houses are all built

1121
01:07:10,679 --> 01:07:12,239
on and so I think it's it takes a real

1122
01:07:12,320 --> 01:07:17,559
concerted effort to try to break out of seeing things

1123
01:07:17,559 --> 01:07:19,920
that way, you know, like basically like for instance, dualism. Oh,

1124
01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:22,039
there's the forces of good vers evil in the world,

1125
01:07:22,079 --> 01:07:24,199
and you know, it's like these things are this eternal battle,

1126
01:07:24,280 --> 01:07:26,159
and so it's just interesting. It's like these guys in

1127
01:07:26,199 --> 01:07:27,840
the Disney studio making these films.

1128
01:07:28,320 --> 01:07:28,679
Speaker 5: Carlo.

1129
01:07:29,119 --> 01:07:30,599
Speaker 2: I don't know about Carlo, because it sounds like he

1130
01:07:30,679 --> 01:07:33,320
was he was deep in it, you know. It's like

1131
01:07:33,440 --> 01:07:36,280
I just feel like default, I just buy this way

1132
01:07:36,280 --> 01:07:39,079
without saying so speaking about other people, I have to

1133
01:07:39,079 --> 01:07:42,719
be super vigilant about is my mind actually orthodox or

1134
01:07:42,760 --> 01:07:45,239
am I worldly? And thinking about things because it's so

1135
01:07:45,320 --> 01:07:51,519
easy to default to this, you know more mythological syncretic

1136
01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:54,360
put everything together like no, I'm a Christian. Everything can

1137
01:07:54,400 --> 01:07:56,320
work now, you know, I can make it all work.

1138
01:07:56,360 --> 01:07:57,920
And it's like careful.

1139
01:07:58,840 --> 01:08:04,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, Disney is very insidious like that, you think.

1140
01:08:04,719 --> 01:08:06,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean like the whole time we've been talking

1141
01:08:06,760 --> 01:08:08,280
in the beginning with the theater stuff, I was thinking

1142
01:08:08,280 --> 01:08:10,840
about when we did a princess protection program and just

1143
01:08:11,239 --> 01:08:14,679
everything you've talked about with Project Princess.

1144
01:08:15,360 --> 01:08:22,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, so Pinocchio one more layer of esoterica. Let's put

1145
01:08:22,239 --> 01:08:26,039
this on. Why not is made of pine pine wood

1146
01:08:27,319 --> 01:08:32,079
and he's got that. Well, if you know anything on

1147
01:08:32,119 --> 01:08:34,960
witchcraft and a cult, all of the different elements are

1148
01:08:35,039 --> 01:08:40,079
very important. So depending on what you what kind of

1149
01:08:40,119 --> 01:08:42,920
person or magician you'd want to be, is like what

1150
01:08:42,960 --> 01:08:44,640
you would make your magic wand out of. So this

1151
01:08:44,720 --> 01:08:49,359
is Harry Potter, yes, but this is also real. Different

1152
01:08:49,520 --> 01:08:54,560
trees have different magic powers. Pine trees are very important

1153
01:08:54,840 --> 01:08:59,119
in esoterica because of the pine cone, and that is

1154
01:08:59,119 --> 01:09:04,600
the symbol of the pineal plan or your third Yeah.

1155
01:09:04,399 --> 01:09:07,640
Speaker 2: And the Girmo one they make more reference to the

1156
01:09:07,680 --> 01:09:11,079
pine cone because like Pinocchio, you know, the boy Carlo

1157
01:09:11,680 --> 01:09:14,680
his son before he dies, he in grpetto are like

1158
01:09:14,800 --> 01:09:17,399
trying to find He want to plant a pine tree,

1159
01:09:17,600 --> 01:09:19,159
so he has to get the perfect pine cone with

1160
01:09:19,319 --> 01:09:23,199
all of the you know, the things on them, otherwise

1161
01:09:23,199 --> 01:09:24,920
it's not perfect. And so of course he finds the

1162
01:09:24,920 --> 01:09:28,000
perfect pine cone. There's too much symbolism this scene. I

1163
01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:30,640
can't break it all down, but he finds the pine cone. Carlo.

1164
01:09:30,920 --> 01:09:34,239
The boy dies, but the pine cone retains its perfect

1165
01:09:35,000 --> 01:09:37,520
shape and then from there the dad decides to plant

1166
01:09:37,520 --> 01:09:38,920
it in the ground, and out of there comes the

1167
01:09:38,960 --> 01:09:43,239
pine tree that Pinocchio is born from. Oh they make, yeah,

1168
01:09:43,439 --> 01:09:44,760
the pine cone and the girmo.

1169
01:09:46,640 --> 01:09:54,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, so there's your mystic third eye pine pine cone connection.

1170
01:09:55,960 --> 01:09:56,520
Speaker 2: Uh.

1171
01:09:57,000 --> 01:09:58,720
Speaker 1: One thing I did want to talk about is jim

1172
01:09:58,800 --> 01:10:01,800
Andy the car Like you were saying, this is this

1173
01:10:01,880 --> 01:10:04,840
is about virtue and like let your conscience be your guide.

1174
01:10:05,720 --> 01:10:10,239
In this context, though, I think Jiminy would be more

1175
01:10:10,319 --> 01:10:13,600
like your holy guardian angel of high magic.

1176
01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:20,960
Speaker 2: So in high magic they do guardian Angels'll tell me

1177
01:10:20,960 --> 01:10:21,399
about this.

1178
01:10:21,439 --> 01:10:24,359
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, So the purpose of like let's say Golden

1179
01:10:24,439 --> 01:10:30,720
Donn or like what your Crollian sex is to get

1180
01:10:30,760 --> 01:10:35,720
in contact with your holy guardian angel. And basically, like

1181
01:10:35,800 --> 01:10:39,800
they say, this is your higher self. Yeah, it's your

1182
01:10:39,880 --> 01:10:43,359
spirit itself. It's also an angel. But if you really

1183
01:10:43,399 --> 01:10:46,079
dig deep and read into what they're actually saying, so

1184
01:10:46,159 --> 01:10:50,680
this is a solar phallic religion, your holy guardian angel

1185
01:10:50,760 --> 01:10:54,199
or your higher self is actually just your penis and

1186
01:10:54,239 --> 01:10:57,960
your libido. And like, basically that is the needle on

1187
01:10:58,079 --> 01:11:02,680
the compass that you fall low down life's path.

1188
01:11:03,960 --> 01:11:07,279
Speaker 2: I'm laughing because it's like I have to knit, like

1189
01:11:07,560 --> 01:11:09,520
I've lived the past life and it's like, man, you

1190
01:11:09,600 --> 01:11:12,199
think you're guided by well, first of all, you're probably

1191
01:11:12,199 --> 01:11:15,279
guided by some higher spirit. It what kind of spirit though,

1192
01:11:15,399 --> 01:11:18,239
Like is that's the whole matter? Different? I know for sure,

1193
01:11:18,239 --> 01:11:20,600
because like I've I used to find my guardian spirit

1194
01:11:20,640 --> 01:11:21,199
all the time.

1195
01:11:21,319 --> 01:11:26,920
Speaker 6: You know, yeah, right there, that's funny because like that's

1196
01:11:26,920 --> 01:11:29,159
so of the nature to demons to mess with you

1197
01:11:29,199 --> 01:11:31,039
like that, because it's like I think you're like so

1198
01:11:31,159 --> 01:11:33,520
a state transcendent, but you're really just following like the

1199
01:11:33,600 --> 01:11:35,760
tiny compass everywhere.

1200
01:11:36,239 --> 01:11:39,239
Speaker 2: And man, it's like it's so true. That's how it

1201
01:11:39,279 --> 01:11:40,439
works out right. Yeah.

1202
01:11:41,199 --> 01:11:42,800
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1203
01:11:43,359 --> 01:11:47,880
Speaker 1: So that all of that was the preamble to the movie,

1204
01:11:48,119 --> 01:11:51,680
which that was the pre movie notes when I had

1205
01:11:51,720 --> 01:11:53,399
to pause it and I'm like, do I have mental

1206
01:11:53,439 --> 01:11:59,239
problems or is Pinocchio like super deep? So then I

1207
01:11:59,319 --> 01:12:02,000
had I went and started the movie. Actually, so now

1208
01:12:02,000 --> 01:12:06,640
we can get into talking about like certain specific scenes

1209
01:12:06,720 --> 01:12:07,600
if you want to do that.

1210
01:12:08,680 --> 01:12:11,640
Speaker 2: Sure, one thing I was just thinking of pail end

1211
01:12:11,640 --> 01:12:19,000
of what we were talking about here is the demons.

1212
01:12:19,039 --> 01:12:22,439
Like it's like yeah, because sexual impurity is like such

1213
01:12:22,439 --> 01:12:26,520
a huge thing obviously like and it's sex is so powerful.

1214
01:12:27,199 --> 01:12:30,800
There is a way to keep couples alive, like a

1215
01:12:30,840 --> 01:12:34,800
gas tank, you know. And so it's like this sexuality

1216
01:12:34,840 --> 01:12:41,399
is like it's really it can really hurt you when

1217
01:12:41,560 --> 01:12:44,039
used in the wrong way. And it's like I think

1218
01:12:44,079 --> 01:12:46,000
the demons know that, you know. It's like, I mean,

1219
01:12:46,039 --> 01:12:50,880
it's like we all know. It's like SEXUALI is designed

1220
01:12:50,880 --> 01:12:53,399
for a purpose, you could say. And so it's like

1221
01:12:53,600 --> 01:12:57,960
that purpose becomes altered and frankly like turned the opposite

1222
01:12:58,000 --> 01:13:02,039
direction and backwards, covered with mud over the vision board.

1223
01:13:02,119 --> 01:13:05,000
It's like, yeah, it's just it's terrible. And so it's like,

1224
01:13:05,000 --> 01:13:06,479
I don't know, it's one of those things. The demons

1225
01:13:06,520 --> 01:13:09,520
really they really get us when it comes to like

1226
01:13:09,600 --> 01:13:12,439
pursuing your pleasure of yourself, and especially in like the

1227
01:13:12,560 --> 01:13:16,119
very carnal level, because once it's like we're supposed to

1228
01:13:16,199 --> 01:13:18,800
bring our mind into our heart and you know, kind

1229
01:13:18,800 --> 01:13:21,960
of let them the heart be this throne of which

1230
01:13:22,000 --> 01:13:25,000
the spirit sits. But when we can't hold it there

1231
01:13:25,000 --> 01:13:27,119
and we fall lower and lower, that heart goes into

1232
01:13:27,119 --> 01:13:29,840
our stomach further down to our loins. And so it's

1233
01:13:29,920 --> 01:13:36,520
like it really is like this psychosomatic reflection of where

1234
01:13:36,600 --> 01:13:38,920
we are in our spiritual life when so much of

1235
01:13:39,000 --> 01:13:42,640
we see things is through this like spirit reproductive combo.

1236
01:13:43,640 --> 01:13:46,640
It's like a very it's like a wire's crossing thing

1237
01:13:46,720 --> 01:13:50,079
to such a high degree that, in all sincerity, encourage

1238
01:13:50,119 --> 01:13:53,279
anybody like falling down that rabbit hole to get help

1239
01:13:53,399 --> 01:13:55,119
or read the Fathers or whatever you got to do,

1240
01:13:55,239 --> 01:13:58,079
because yeah, sex magic is not good.

1241
01:13:58,560 --> 01:14:06,560
Speaker 1: Well, this is the path to the beast, which Pinocchio

1242
01:14:06,600 --> 01:14:09,680
is going to almost turn into on pleasure island, right

1243
01:14:09,760 --> 01:14:18,359
the donkey. So in ac cult, the uprighted pentagram points

1244
01:14:18,399 --> 01:14:25,319
to God, you know, and the averse pentagram the two

1245
01:14:25,359 --> 01:14:30,239
points or it points down to the ground. So in

1246
01:14:30,319 --> 01:14:34,439
their hierarchy there's God, Man and beast, right, and what

1247
01:14:34,479 --> 01:14:36,960
we're trying to do is go from man and get

1248
01:14:36,960 --> 01:14:40,000
closer to God. But what they're trying to do is

1249
01:14:40,039 --> 01:14:43,399
get man more beast Like. Does that make sense by

1250
01:14:44,039 --> 01:14:45,960
inverting the right We.

1251
01:14:45,960 --> 01:14:48,760
Speaker 2: Haven't talked about that in our spirituality class here at

1252
01:14:48,960 --> 01:14:51,079
the Laster. Is that simple as the idea that it's

1253
01:14:51,119 --> 01:14:53,279
like and your trap too, right, because in the episode

1254
01:14:53,319 --> 01:14:56,319
on Pentagram, you're enclosed. There's no freedom.

1255
01:14:56,359 --> 01:14:59,960
Speaker 1: Good point, So yeah, it starts with when you would

1256
01:15:00,039 --> 01:15:02,199
shapon a star, every man and woman is a star,

1257
01:15:02,920 --> 01:15:09,680
that's Crowley dictum. Not every man and Woman is a star,

1258
01:15:09,720 --> 01:15:13,359
that's the Croly dictum. Right, And then you have Jimmy

1259
01:15:13,359 --> 01:15:17,079
Cricket who is singing among the books Alice in Wonderland

1260
01:15:17,159 --> 01:15:21,800
and Peter Pan. Yeah, that's that two other Disney classics,

1261
01:15:21,840 --> 01:15:23,960
but also mind Control classics.

1262
01:15:24,560 --> 01:15:27,119
Speaker 2: Well yeah, and it's yeah, straight up. And it's so

1263
01:15:27,239 --> 01:15:30,920
meta too, because it's like he's telling us about this

1264
01:15:31,000 --> 01:15:33,680
all after the fact, Like, so Jimminy lives in a

1265
01:15:33,720 --> 01:15:37,840
world where Pinocchio has become like a book. Like there's

1266
01:15:37,840 --> 01:15:41,199
some more of weird meta Disney world thing going on here,

1267
01:15:41,439 --> 01:15:44,640
you know, like the whole story is in the past.

1268
01:15:44,840 --> 01:15:47,359
So I don't really don't have much of a diatribe

1269
01:15:47,399 --> 01:15:48,640
on that. I just thought it was kind of cute.

1270
01:15:48,640 --> 01:15:50,720
Speaker 1: It's like Easter Eggs, but I just thought that was

1271
01:15:50,760 --> 01:15:53,159
interesting they chose Alice in Wonderland and Peter Pan the

1272
01:15:53,199 --> 01:15:59,119
two other esoteric cartoons. Yeah, so Jimmy is homeless. He

1273
01:15:59,159 --> 01:16:02,960
finds a toy maker who's the Demiurge. I like the cat,

1274
01:16:03,319 --> 01:16:09,000
I like the fish. He calls him little wooden Head.

1275
01:16:10,039 --> 01:16:13,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's kinda he's kind of uh, it's that fire.

1276
01:16:13,199 --> 01:16:16,920
He's not the super mean evil demiurge, but kind of

1277
01:16:17,039 --> 01:16:18,479
like they show just a little taste of it, because

1278
01:16:18,479 --> 01:16:20,159
remember he has the Pinocchio kicked the cat.

1279
01:16:20,960 --> 01:16:25,359
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, he does have the tiniest little mean streak. So, yeah,

1280
01:16:25,399 --> 01:16:27,560
we talked about Geopetto says, I wonder what time it

1281
01:16:27,640 --> 01:16:32,439
is Sophia gives life. He's a quasi boy, so we're

1282
01:16:32,439 --> 01:16:35,359
gonna talk about that next time with quasi moto.

1283
01:16:36,399 --> 01:16:39,560
Speaker 2: I don't think about that. That's hilarious, sick, that's great.

1284
01:16:39,880 --> 01:16:43,680
Speaker 1: Also, these stories are written in the same century, so

1285
01:16:43,720 --> 01:16:46,800
they have a lot of the same stuff going on.

1286
01:16:48,000 --> 01:16:51,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm excited for hunk Back too, but I get.

1287
01:16:52,479 --> 01:16:56,520
Speaker 1: Real right, so her Wanda isn't pynagram be as serious.

1288
01:16:56,640 --> 01:16:59,239
Let your conscience be your God, Holy God Angel. The

1289
01:16:59,279 --> 01:17:04,600
world is full of temptation, they say. He he lights

1290
01:17:04,640 --> 01:17:06,840
himself on fire as soon as he is awake. I

1291
01:17:06,880 --> 01:17:11,319
said that, like Prometheus, Lucifer, the fox that he meets

1292
01:17:11,399 --> 01:17:17,439
is called honest John. Did you catch that? Oh yeah,

1293
01:17:17,520 --> 01:17:20,159
so yeah, just like the first thing that he does

1294
01:17:20,279 --> 01:17:23,039
is a mistake when he What do you.

1295
01:17:23,600 --> 01:17:26,920
Speaker 2: Make of the give a little whistle song. Did you

1296
01:17:27,000 --> 01:17:28,199
have any comment on that?

1297
01:17:29,560 --> 01:17:31,760
Speaker 1: Oh, when he needs Jimmy, give a little whistle.

1298
01:17:33,560 --> 01:17:33,760
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1299
01:17:34,000 --> 01:17:36,199
Speaker 1: Always let your conscience be your guide.

1300
01:17:37,000 --> 01:17:39,680
Speaker 2: See, I'm just like I'm trying to be boomer about him,

1301
01:17:39,720 --> 01:17:42,079
Like yeah, that's like the Jesus Prairies, Like any time

1302
01:17:42,119 --> 01:17:45,159
you're in trouble, just like, yell out Jesus, save me,

1303
01:17:45,399 --> 01:17:49,119
give a little whistle. Well.

1304
01:17:49,279 --> 01:18:00,279
Speaker 1: Fox is a interesting word numerology. Numerologically it equals six six,

1305
01:18:02,479 --> 01:18:05,359
but there's like, oh yeah, there's like Fox theaters there.

1306
01:18:05,479 --> 01:18:13,520
Fox is a very prolific, esoteric symbol. So he tries

1307
01:18:13,560 --> 01:18:16,760
to get him into the theater the easy road to success, fame, money,

1308
01:18:16,800 --> 01:18:24,119
and wooden girls. He sings an actor's life for me. Uh,

1309
01:18:24,319 --> 01:18:27,800
we talked about actors are mind controlled puppets. He threatens

1310
01:18:27,800 --> 01:18:29,600
to turn into the fire.

1311
01:18:31,079 --> 01:18:34,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, then I found an interesting line.

1312
01:18:35,119 --> 01:18:38,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was just gonna say. So he has all

1313
01:18:38,079 --> 01:18:40,920
this success on the stage with Stromboli and he throws

1314
01:18:40,960 --> 01:18:43,920
the gold coins at him and everything, and then he

1315
01:18:44,000 --> 01:18:47,279
gets locked up and Stromboli tells him, when you're old,

1316
01:18:47,319 --> 01:18:49,880
I'm just gonna turn you into firewood. So this is

1317
01:18:49,920 --> 01:18:58,720
another like foreshadowing of how this industry treats actors and

1318
01:18:58,760 --> 01:19:01,760
actresses right, absolutely.

1319
01:19:01,840 --> 01:19:04,399
Speaker 2: Yeah. I was just watching a video on poor Zach

1320
01:19:05,319 --> 01:19:07,560
Zach Efron man that I've change that guy's gone through

1321
01:19:07,560 --> 01:19:10,479
over the years, like man, like Jamie and I have

1322
01:19:10,520 --> 01:19:13,560
been honest, it is funny, Like sorry Paul soapbox for

1323
01:19:13,640 --> 01:19:17,640
half a second, like out of this world flex right now,

1324
01:19:17,680 --> 01:19:20,920
because like I felt down this rabbit hole last week

1325
01:19:20,960 --> 01:19:23,720
of like YouTubers, Like I don't know who YouTubers are like,

1326
01:19:23,760 --> 01:19:26,680
and I watched people that have like millions of views

1327
01:19:26,680 --> 01:19:28,359
and all this stuff and they're all like top grade

1328
01:19:28,479 --> 01:19:32,039
editing and everything's like a Discovery Channel essay from twenty twelve.

1329
01:19:32,079 --> 01:19:34,560
And it's like, but these people are just like you

1330
01:19:34,560 --> 01:19:36,920
can tell they research stuff for like three days and

1331
01:19:36,960 --> 01:19:39,039
then doing a video on it and we get millions

1332
01:19:39,039 --> 01:19:40,920
of views. I'm like, bro, we've been on this track

1333
01:19:41,000 --> 01:19:44,920
for like over five ten years a piece, like you know,

1334
01:19:45,000 --> 01:19:46,279
and it's like we just come here. We just like

1335
01:19:46,319 --> 01:19:48,199
don't have any We got such a boomer set up,

1336
01:19:48,560 --> 01:19:51,479
like I don't have to like wait the hours of conversation,

1337
01:19:51,640 --> 01:19:53,439
but man, we got the gold in there. Dude. If

1338
01:19:53,439 --> 01:19:55,119
you just coming around.

1339
01:19:54,800 --> 01:19:58,279
Speaker 1: For a while, that's my pet peeve man, Like I've

1340
01:19:58,279 --> 01:20:03,479
been doing this twenty years, and uh, people can just

1341
01:20:03,520 --> 01:20:05,720
make a TikTok account and have like millions of all

1342
01:20:05,880 --> 01:20:06,960
I don't.

1343
01:20:06,720 --> 01:20:08,319
Speaker 2: I don't, yeah, but no, but that's what I'm saying,

1344
01:20:08,359 --> 01:20:09,880
Like I feel it. I feel it, you know, And

1345
01:20:09,920 --> 01:20:12,079
it's like, but these guys have nothing. It's like the

1346
01:20:12,199 --> 01:20:15,159
substance is just not there. And it's like the end

1347
01:20:15,159 --> 01:20:17,439
of the day, you imagine that they're are slaves. You gotta

1348
01:20:17,479 --> 01:20:19,720
like sit there checking your algorithm all day long, checking

1349
01:20:19,760 --> 01:20:22,039
the comments, think of a new relevant things. I realized,

1350
01:20:22,039 --> 01:20:24,720
like I was watching all these videos, it's like everything

1351
01:20:24,760 --> 01:20:27,239
is like mystery of the week. What do you really

1352
01:20:27,239 --> 01:20:30,479
know about deodorant? You know? He really is a laundry.

1353
01:20:30,520 --> 01:20:32,680
It's like I want to I sampled every burger king

1354
01:20:32,720 --> 01:20:34,840
fry in every state. It's like, dude, these people are

1355
01:20:34,840 --> 01:20:37,159
just like pining for a meaning in their life, like

1356
01:20:37,199 --> 01:20:39,159
looking for something. Yeah.

1357
01:20:39,479 --> 01:20:43,920
Speaker 1: People who make like conspiracy content and like esoteric content.

1358
01:20:44,000 --> 01:20:47,000
It's not very good. And it's like, what do you

1359
01:20:47,119 --> 01:20:50,880
want me to be a slick operation or do you

1360
01:20:50,880 --> 01:20:52,640
want me to read all these books? Because I can't

1361
01:20:52,680 --> 01:20:56,880
do both and not to be a producer and a

1362
01:20:57,000 --> 01:21:01,039
technic technician and a lighting and how like I don't know,

1363
01:21:01,479 --> 01:21:05,000
I can't do it all. But Jay thinks that I

1364
01:21:05,119 --> 01:21:10,319
have the best audience. So he's like, all these cool

1365
01:21:10,359 --> 01:21:13,840
people are in your audience. That's the that's it, that's

1366
01:21:13,880 --> 01:21:14,680
the corner of the He.

1367
01:21:16,760 --> 01:21:18,920
Speaker 2: Gets all the neck I'm sorry, he gets all the

1368
01:21:19,159 --> 01:21:24,920
zealous converts and angry people. You get all the chill heads, people.

1369
01:21:24,680 --> 01:21:27,600
Speaker 1: With attention spans. Okay, so this is where the movie

1370
01:21:27,640 --> 01:21:32,560
gets interesting and we haven't even gone there yet. Pleasure Island, dude,

1371
01:21:32,880 --> 01:21:38,319
what the heck? This is like the deepest, darkest, epskiniest thing.

1372
01:21:38,720 --> 01:21:43,520
Because so after Pinocchio tries his hand at acting and

1373
01:21:43,560 --> 01:21:46,039
he fails miserably and the Blue Fairy has to come

1374
01:21:46,079 --> 01:21:50,159
rescue him, she's like, I can't keep doing this. This

1375
01:21:50,199 --> 01:21:53,319
is the classic scene where he is lying and his

1376
01:21:53,439 --> 01:21:55,720
lies grow out of his face and it turns into

1377
01:21:55,720 --> 01:22:00,720
a bird. So he's like another mirror of like a

1378
01:22:00,840 --> 01:22:05,800
creator that has gone awry and making matter out of lies.

1379
01:22:05,560 --> 01:22:10,000
Speaker 2: What And And I loved this scene because it shows

1380
01:22:10,039 --> 01:22:15,199
that lying sin deforms your countenance, like you literally start

1381
01:22:15,239 --> 01:22:17,199
to change, and like we see even more when he

1382
01:22:17,199 --> 01:22:19,359
becomes the donkey, you know, and he goes further further

1383
01:22:19,399 --> 01:22:21,920
into his sin. But like I thought that was beautiful,

1384
01:22:22,119 --> 01:22:24,640
Like and especially he's in this confession moment with the fairy.

1385
01:22:24,640 --> 01:22:27,199
He's in confession, right, He's just lying through his teeth

1386
01:22:27,279 --> 01:22:31,159
and it's like, dude, you're here to get healed. It's like,

1387
01:22:31,199 --> 01:22:37,279
it's so fascinating the way we are afraid of our family,

1388
01:22:37,319 --> 01:22:39,159
you know, of our parents who want to help us.

1389
01:22:39,159 --> 01:22:41,239
And it's like, so we double down the lie and

1390
01:22:41,279 --> 01:22:44,520
what happens is you start devolving. Yeah. So it's just

1391
01:22:44,520 --> 01:22:46,560
like that is a beautiful image of what happens when

1392
01:22:46,560 --> 01:22:49,039
you when you lie, how you become transfigured in a

1393
01:22:49,119 --> 01:22:49,600
dark way.

1394
01:22:50,000 --> 01:22:52,600
Speaker 1: I always wondered. I was thinking, like do some people

1395
01:22:53,319 --> 01:22:56,199
lie during confession? And like what is the thought process

1396
01:22:56,199 --> 01:22:58,000
that goes into that, because like, would you lie to

1397
01:22:58,039 --> 01:23:02,279
your doctor about your symptoms? Exactly get better if you say,

1398
01:23:02,399 --> 01:23:04,960
like my foot hurts, but you actually have pneumonia. So

1399
01:23:05,039 --> 01:23:06,520
it's like don't you know?

1400
01:23:06,520 --> 01:23:08,680
Speaker 2: And it's yeah, and it's so much of how we

1401
01:23:08,720 --> 01:23:10,760
are raised in our culture too. We get the Western

1402
01:23:10,840 --> 01:23:13,079
version of the Fall, and you know, God's angry and

1403
01:23:13,079 --> 01:23:16,119
He's gonna punish you It's like when you think about, man,

1404
01:23:16,199 --> 01:23:17,840
I should I don't have time to go that I

1405
01:23:17,840 --> 01:23:19,319
have this great quote, was reading this thing on the

1406
01:23:19,359 --> 01:23:22,600
Father's But like God is basically saying like it's like

1407
01:23:22,680 --> 01:23:25,479
Adam is like two years old and he just like

1408
01:23:25,920 --> 01:23:29,640
committed a huge no. No. God's like, Adam, where are you?

1409
01:23:30,039 --> 01:23:32,319
He gives him every opportunity to just come and be

1410
01:23:32,399 --> 01:23:34,680
honest about what happened. You know, he never once says

1411
01:23:35,000 --> 01:23:37,239
I reprimand you that He's basically saying, where are you?

1412
01:23:37,520 --> 01:23:41,079
What happened? He's giving Adam every opportunity to be honest

1413
01:23:41,520 --> 01:23:43,880
about what's going on. We don't read it that way.

1414
01:23:43,920 --> 01:23:45,880
And also when he's like Adam, if you eat from

1415
01:23:45,880 --> 01:23:48,479
that tree, you're gonna die. So don't eat from the tree.

1416
01:23:48,920 --> 01:23:50,520
We don't hear that way. We say, you eat from

1417
01:23:50,560 --> 01:23:53,640
that tree, I'm gonna kill you. And it's like God

1418
01:23:53,640 --> 01:23:56,159
doesn't kill people. He's the author of life. Like the

1419
01:23:56,199 --> 01:24:00,359
way we just take this armchair like freaking stoner, I

1420
01:24:00,439 --> 01:24:03,039
mean probably not even stoners, dude. Just like the most

1421
01:24:03,920 --> 01:24:08,560
base not not based, but like base interpretation of Scriptured

1422
01:24:08,680 --> 01:24:11,560
of course, will lead you to thinking you have to

1423
01:24:11,600 --> 01:24:13,680
lie to God to get out of trouble. You know.

1424
01:24:13,720 --> 01:24:18,760
Speaker 1: It's like, right, it's weird that authority always breeds this

1425
01:24:18,880 --> 01:24:21,039
in us too, like we have we feel like we

1426
01:24:21,159 --> 01:24:23,960
have to deceive authority all the time.

1427
01:24:24,800 --> 01:24:27,159
Speaker 2: Right in the Del Toro one, when they get the

1428
01:24:27,199 --> 01:24:30,439
Pleasure Island, it implies a lot of stuff because they

1429
01:24:30,439 --> 01:24:33,079
don't do a pleasure Island in that movie. And I

1430
01:24:33,239 --> 01:24:37,159
heard the new Pinocchio now I think it has it.

1431
01:24:37,159 --> 01:24:40,039
It doesn't turn into a donkey. I don't know. Actually, no, no, no,

1432
01:24:40,079 --> 01:24:44,680
But in the Del Toro one, the Pleasure Island is

1433
01:24:44,680 --> 01:24:48,159
a fascist boot training camp. So it's really interesting that

1434
01:24:48,239 --> 01:24:50,600
they send they basically send them there to play out

1435
01:24:50,680 --> 01:24:54,279
not like this pleasure fantasy, but like this war we're gonna,

1436
01:24:54,319 --> 01:24:56,359
you know, let's fight for our country thing. But it's

1437
01:24:56,359 --> 01:24:59,479
funny because Pinocchio and lamp Wick in that film they

1438
01:24:59,479 --> 01:25:04,640
call him Candor. They both like they're against each other

1439
01:25:04,680 --> 01:25:08,039
in this simulated battle, but they both capture each other's

1440
01:25:08,039 --> 01:25:10,279
flags and they kind of like it's like gen Z

1441
01:25:10,479 --> 01:25:13,520
is like see together, And then in the fash is like,

1442
01:25:13,880 --> 01:25:16,560
oh yeah, yeah, no, not at all, sorry, kids, And

1443
01:25:16,600 --> 01:25:20,159
it's so like, uh so it's interesting because it's basically

1444
01:25:20,159 --> 01:25:24,199
saying pleasure island. When you're naughty, you'll be sent to

1445
01:25:24,239 --> 01:25:29,279
be converted by the state into this super soldier. And

1446
01:25:29,319 --> 01:25:31,720
so Pinocchio basically has to break free of becoming a

1447
01:25:32,119 --> 01:25:35,800
super soldier in this situation, not like Captain America. I'm

1448
01:25:35,800 --> 01:25:37,880
just calling a super soldier, like training to become a

1449
01:25:37,920 --> 01:25:42,119
soldier rather than training to fall into beastiality or whatever

1450
01:25:42,199 --> 01:25:44,920
he becomes in this one. And so it's interesting again,

1451
01:25:45,000 --> 01:25:48,800
like the whole iteration is like fascist state bad, creative

1452
01:25:48,920 --> 01:25:53,640
artist genius, you know, Promethean spark boy good, and I

1453
01:25:53,760 --> 01:25:55,840
just get over at the garb of the tour. Movie

1454
01:25:55,920 --> 01:25:57,720
is like such a joke, as like, dude, you're like

1455
01:25:57,760 --> 01:26:00,359
fighting this like saying that artists will breaks. You've all

1456
01:26:00,399 --> 01:26:03,439
assisted as long as you break the rules. And at

1457
01:26:03,479 --> 01:26:05,239
the very end, sorry, at the very very end of

1458
01:26:05,239 --> 01:26:10,319
the movie, Pinocchio escapes Monstrol by lying and his nose

1459
01:26:10,399 --> 01:26:11,920
is growing the whole time, so they could build a

1460
01:26:11,920 --> 01:26:16,680
bridge to get out. So it's implying like it's such

1461
01:26:16,680 --> 01:26:20,359
a new philosophy of the world thing that's like lying

1462
01:26:20,439 --> 01:26:24,319
in thievery and deceit like Bilbo you know which Bilblo.

1463
01:26:24,359 --> 01:26:25,920
I'm sure you could do a good Exejesus song, But

1464
01:26:25,960 --> 01:26:28,399
the idea that the thief will get you out, it's like,

1465
01:26:28,600 --> 01:26:30,439
I'm not sure what to make of that, because it's

1466
01:26:30,479 --> 01:26:33,479
like Christ kind of does it in the Descent to Hades,

1467
01:26:33,600 --> 01:26:36,279
he tricks the devil, like the devil thinks he's getting him,

1468
01:26:36,640 --> 01:26:39,359
but he really sneaks his way in and out. You

1469
01:26:39,399 --> 01:26:43,680
could say, but yeah, I don't think that really justifies

1470
01:26:43,840 --> 01:26:48,279
lying as a way to help you ascend, which is

1471
01:26:48,359 --> 01:26:50,319
kind of is interesting that in the Giomo one it

1472
01:26:50,359 --> 01:26:53,600
implies a lot of like breaking the rules, disobedience, and

1473
01:26:53,680 --> 01:26:56,319
there's a time for lying that can actually help you

1474
01:26:56,960 --> 01:27:01,079
break out the system. It's just really different than Disney's.

1475
01:27:01,279 --> 01:27:04,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that one didn't have Pleasure Island. Huh.

1476
01:27:05,399 --> 01:27:06,960
Speaker 2: Yep, this.

1477
01:27:09,560 --> 01:27:13,399
Speaker 1: Movie, the third act is really dark. Did you notice

1478
01:27:13,720 --> 01:27:16,159
their meeting at the Red Lobster in.

1479
01:27:17,079 --> 01:27:23,000
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no need to say anything like hilarious.

1480
01:27:23,239 --> 01:27:30,880
Speaker 1: The two Arcons are colluding with the character called the Coachman,

1481
01:27:31,439 --> 01:27:36,039
who was like the devil right, He's a demonic entity.

1482
01:27:37,720 --> 01:27:43,640
He has like black oily things that work for him.

1483
01:27:44,159 --> 01:27:46,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, those things are so weird. I didn't notice those

1484
01:27:46,479 --> 01:27:50,159
like when I was a kid, ever, yeah, what are those?

1485
01:27:50,399 --> 01:27:54,439
Speaker 1: They're like black good demons. So the coachman sitting with

1486
01:27:54,560 --> 01:27:58,000
the cat in the fox, uh, trying to figure out

1487
01:27:58,039 --> 01:28:01,359
how to kidnap young kids, it's right, So he's like

1488
01:28:01,479 --> 01:28:03,600
a child t r a f f.

1489
01:28:05,880 --> 01:28:05,920
Speaker 2: Er.

1490
01:28:07,800 --> 01:28:13,960
Speaker 1: He talks about meeting at the crossroads at midnight. Uh,

1491
01:28:14,479 --> 01:28:16,560
we we've talked about the crossroads, I'm sure, haven't we.

1492
01:28:16,680 --> 01:28:18,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, we did it when we did a Princess in

1493
01:28:18,840 --> 01:28:19,199
the Front.

1494
01:28:19,399 --> 01:28:24,520
Speaker 1: That's right, So voodoo classic crossroads. And then he like

1495
01:28:24,640 --> 01:28:30,399
whispers this whole for thirty seconds or less. He's like

1496
01:28:31,600 --> 01:28:36,920
the whole plan to the box, and there is no

1497
01:28:37,279 --> 01:28:40,600
exit Jesus or explanation of what he is saying. So

1498
01:28:40,640 --> 01:28:46,760
he's probably laying out the entire like dark child dot

1499
01:28:46,840 --> 01:28:48,960
dot dot business.

1500
01:28:49,079 --> 01:28:53,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's implied that he knows exactly what he's doing.

1501
01:28:53,479 --> 01:28:58,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, so the coachman's collecting stupid little boys. He says,

1502
01:28:58,479 --> 01:29:01,199
he takes them to Pleasure Island and they never come

1503
01:29:01,279 --> 01:29:06,199
back as boys. And he even morphs into the devil

1504
01:29:06,319 --> 01:29:08,800
after whispering the whole pe ed oh plot.

1505
01:29:12,479 --> 01:29:18,399
Speaker 2: That's yeah, I mean not for kids, dude. This when

1506
01:29:18,399 --> 01:29:21,640
I was watching this time the body horror scene when

1507
01:29:21,640 --> 01:29:23,640
Pinocchio is when lamp Wick is transforming.

1508
01:29:23,920 --> 01:29:24,279
Speaker 4: Uh huh.

1509
01:29:24,800 --> 01:29:28,479
Speaker 2: That is like it's like right on part with anything

1510
01:29:28,600 --> 01:29:31,720
David Cromberg's Dead Man. This thing is an incredible scene.

1511
01:29:31,880 --> 01:29:38,560
It's like, yeah, fun has its price, and uh, I

1512
01:29:38,680 --> 01:29:42,960
like that part because that's when Pinocchio really realizes it's

1513
01:29:42,960 --> 01:29:47,079
time to change. Yes, okay, the GTFO dude ain't.

1514
01:29:48,159 --> 01:29:54,159
Speaker 1: And so they get to Pleasure Island and they're doing

1515
01:29:54,199 --> 01:29:57,079
all the gluttony, the fighting, the smoking. They're being bad

1516
01:29:57,159 --> 01:29:59,199
and it's kind of implying with lamp Wick and the

1517
01:29:59,239 --> 01:30:02,760
other boys, like the more bad you are, the faster

1518
01:30:02,920 --> 01:30:09,960
you turn into a donkey. Right, And this scene comes

1519
01:30:10,199 --> 01:30:14,399
from a very old book called The Golden Ass. Have

1520
01:30:14,479 --> 01:30:15,039
you heard of that?

1521
01:30:15,880 --> 01:30:18,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, and thanks for reminding me because I failed to

1522
01:30:19,319 --> 01:30:20,800
I was going to do I was going to pull

1523
01:30:20,840 --> 01:30:24,720
that in for some extra supplementary stuff, but well I

1524
01:30:24,760 --> 01:30:26,079
don't need to because I know you got it.

1525
01:30:26,119 --> 01:30:28,920
Speaker 1: So you have some pictures that you want to screen share,

1526
01:30:28,960 --> 01:30:30,159
So let's look at those real quick.

1527
01:30:30,640 --> 01:30:35,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, you want to move over and all that. So

1528
01:30:36,359 --> 01:30:42,520
this is it's obvious way is screen sharing here? All right,

1529
01:30:42,600 --> 01:30:46,159
Jimmy sharing with you?

1530
01:30:48,319 --> 01:30:50,199
Speaker 1: Okay, while you're looking for that, I'm just going to

1531
01:30:50,319 --> 01:30:52,600
read a little bit about the Golden Ass. So it

1532
01:30:52,680 --> 01:30:59,399
was called the Metaphorphosis of Apellius, which Augustine Hippo referred

1533
01:30:59,399 --> 01:31:01,800
to as the gold An Ass. So this is basically

1534
01:31:01,800 --> 01:31:07,279
the same kind of story. What year was this from?

1535
01:31:06,279 --> 01:31:11,119
Second century? A? D oh, look at that Pinocchio?

1536
01:31:11,319 --> 01:31:14,199
Speaker 2: Okay, am I still here on screen?

1537
01:31:14,359 --> 01:31:15,439
Speaker 1: Yeah? You're here, I can see you.

1538
01:31:16,079 --> 01:31:16,439
Speaker 5: All right?

1539
01:31:16,479 --> 01:31:16,720
Speaker 2: Cool?

1540
01:31:16,960 --> 01:31:17,760
Speaker 1: What is this from?

1541
01:31:18,439 --> 01:31:22,600
Speaker 2: Okay? So this is well, do you want to do

1542
01:31:22,640 --> 01:31:24,479
this now or later? Because I just kind of got

1543
01:31:24,479 --> 01:31:26,600
a bunch of beautiful art I wanted to share with

1544
01:31:26,680 --> 01:31:27,119
the chat.

1545
01:31:29,399 --> 01:31:32,479
Speaker 1: Let's see, I have I have three more notes about

1546
01:31:32,520 --> 01:31:35,279
the movie, and then I had the mind control section

1547
01:31:35,479 --> 01:31:36,359
and then.

1548
01:31:36,920 --> 01:31:38,640
Speaker 2: All right, I'm gonna stop sharing right now. Then we'll

1549
01:31:38,640 --> 01:31:39,439
pull this back up.

1550
01:31:39,560 --> 01:31:42,439
Speaker 1: All right, Well, all I wanted to say was, yeah,

1551
01:31:42,439 --> 01:31:46,000
this comes from a second century esoteric tale called the

1552
01:31:46,039 --> 01:31:48,279
Golden Ass. It's the same kind of story, like the

1553
01:31:48,279 --> 01:31:51,680
more bad decisions you make, the more best deal you become.

1554
01:31:52,319 --> 01:31:55,279
And this is the symbol of the upside down pentagram.

1555
01:31:56,479 --> 01:31:59,319
Speaker 2: So in that too. There's a book that Mary Louise

1556
01:31:59,359 --> 01:32:01,640
van Franz. She was a union analyst. She did is

1557
01:32:01,640 --> 01:32:04,960
called there's something about the Golden Ass of Asclepias or something,

1558
01:32:05,039 --> 01:32:07,680
and I don't remember if it's that second century one

1559
01:32:07,760 --> 01:32:10,199
or a later one. But by the end of the story,

1560
01:32:10,279 --> 01:32:14,359
Lucius when he turns into an ass, eventually basically gets

1561
01:32:14,399 --> 01:32:16,279
girded where he like ascends up to heaven and he

1562
01:32:16,279 --> 01:32:18,840
meets the divine goddess and all this stuff, And I

1563
01:32:18,880 --> 01:32:20,720
don't remember if he's still an ass at that point.

1564
01:32:20,760 --> 01:32:24,359
With the point is it's an absolutely like kind of

1565
01:32:24,359 --> 01:32:27,319
the Luciferian track of like the descent and the mammalady

1566
01:32:27,399 --> 01:32:31,600
and then the ascension through that sort of like sexual

1567
01:32:32,880 --> 01:32:36,399
fusing with the animal. You know, it's it's crazy, it's

1568
01:32:36,560 --> 01:32:39,720
it's worth the reading, and it's about two. It ties

1569
01:32:39,760 --> 01:32:42,439
into stuff that I don't have the time or energy

1570
01:32:42,520 --> 01:32:45,680
or care to but sort of the golden Peter pan

1571
01:32:46,239 --> 01:32:50,439
Puei turnus eternal child type of thing is also linked

1572
01:32:50,880 --> 01:32:53,800
to the ascent to be the child forever and to

1573
01:32:53,800 --> 01:32:56,760
fly to everyland is also linked with that descent into

1574
01:32:58,199 --> 01:32:59,920
like animal love.

1575
01:33:00,439 --> 01:33:01,720
Speaker 1: Oh interesting animal.

1576
01:33:01,960 --> 01:33:04,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's because there's two are sort of like extreme

1577
01:33:04,279 --> 01:33:07,720
ends of the same spectrum.

1578
01:33:07,760 --> 01:33:09,520
Speaker 1: Well, the only other things I had about the movie

1579
01:33:09,680 --> 01:33:14,840
was that. Meanwhile, Geppetto is in the belly of Monstro,

1580
01:33:15,039 --> 01:33:18,159
so he is, you know, in his katabasis.

1581
01:33:18,960 --> 01:33:19,199
Speaker 2: Uh.

1582
01:33:19,279 --> 01:33:24,920
Speaker 1: The only thing that saves him as a mystical message

1583
01:33:24,960 --> 01:33:27,439
comes to tell Pinocchio his father has been swallowed by

1584
01:33:27,479 --> 01:33:32,000
a whale. They set far uh huh.

1585
01:33:32,119 --> 01:33:34,800
Speaker 2: I like that part when Jimmy Cricket gets him out

1586
01:33:34,800 --> 01:33:37,079
of Pleasure Island because he's such a true homie dude.

1587
01:33:37,079 --> 01:33:40,359
He's not judging Pinocchio, he's not trying something like a

1588
01:33:40,359 --> 01:33:42,479
true friend, you know, and I just love it. He

1589
01:33:42,520 --> 01:33:45,000
doesn't condemn him. He just says, let's go, Pinocchi, let's

1590
01:33:45,000 --> 01:33:47,000
get out of here. Like he just looks over it all.

1591
01:33:47,039 --> 01:33:48,560
It's like that's what you want, you know, when you

1592
01:33:48,600 --> 01:33:51,319
fall into sin, you don't want to be like reprimanded.

1593
01:33:51,399 --> 01:33:53,680
It's like, dude's not the time to lay into me, please,

1594
01:33:53,720 --> 01:33:54,479
I need some love.

1595
01:33:54,640 --> 01:33:58,159
Speaker 1: So well he did that when he saved him from

1596
01:33:58,199 --> 01:34:00,279
Stromboli too. He was like, maybe I should just go

1597
01:34:00,359 --> 01:34:03,640
say goodbye, and then he realized and he was actually captured.

1598
01:34:03,680 --> 01:34:08,119
But yeah, he's a good little conscience. So yeah, the

1599
01:34:08,159 --> 01:34:14,239
fire escapes them from Monstro, and so Pinocchio sacrificed himself

1600
01:34:14,279 --> 01:34:18,760
and earned his humanity. He actually did die and come

1601
01:34:18,840 --> 01:34:21,439
back to life, so he did a you know, a

1602
01:34:21,520 --> 01:34:22,159
Jesus thing.

1603
01:34:22,960 --> 01:34:24,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he leaves on his Boat's got a cross

1604
01:34:24,920 --> 01:34:26,720
on it too, you notice. So it's like the cross

1605
01:34:26,800 --> 01:34:28,439
is the way for him to get out.

1606
01:34:28,479 --> 01:34:28,880
Speaker 4: It's great.

1607
01:34:28,920 --> 01:34:33,880
Speaker 1: Oh I didn't notice that, but yeah, that's pretty much

1608
01:34:33,880 --> 01:34:37,920
all I had notes on the So let's see something.

1609
01:34:39,479 --> 01:34:46,600
Speaker 2: Yeah. My final take on Pinocchio is, uh, it's interesting

1610
01:34:46,680 --> 01:34:49,880
because it's like we're are all born bound for death,

1611
01:34:50,000 --> 01:34:52,520
but Pinocchio is born to live.

1612
01:34:53,239 --> 01:34:53,439
Speaker 5: You know.

1613
01:34:53,720 --> 01:34:56,199
Speaker 2: It's like he's not you know what I means, Like

1614
01:34:56,319 --> 01:34:58,640
we're all born, we have so much a mount of

1615
01:34:58,680 --> 01:35:00,960
time and then we go down on the whole. Pinocchio

1616
01:35:01,000 --> 01:35:04,079
is born already dead. His only journey is to ascend

1617
01:35:04,079 --> 01:35:07,920
into more life. So it's a beautiful sort of I

1618
01:35:07,960 --> 01:35:10,079
don't know, idea of the baptism in the New Life,

1619
01:35:10,079 --> 01:35:11,560
and I just kind of liked it. It's like Pinocchio

1620
01:35:11,560 --> 01:35:14,800
almost as a trajectory. He's born to become somebody wonderful

1621
01:35:15,359 --> 01:35:18,600
and that, you know, until he's a real person, he's

1622
01:35:18,720 --> 01:35:21,279
trapped in the world of laws and rules and do

1623
01:35:21,399 --> 01:35:23,000
this and be a good boy, and he's very much

1624
01:35:23,000 --> 01:35:24,960
in that tree of knowledge of good or evil. He

1625
01:35:25,000 --> 01:35:28,159
doesn't yet have the Tree of life, so Pinocchio needs

1626
01:35:28,199 --> 01:35:32,000
the Tree of life. Was as we all do. So anyways,

1627
01:35:32,039 --> 01:35:34,479
this is a This is this some art I got

1628
01:35:34,560 --> 01:35:37,239
for us our Pinocchio Little journey because I was just

1629
01:35:37,239 --> 01:35:40,119
like blown away the beauty of this movie. I think

1630
01:35:40,199 --> 01:35:44,279
snow White. So here's a sort of comparison of sketches

1631
01:35:44,279 --> 01:35:46,239
and paintings. He's gonna roll through and if there's something

1632
01:35:46,279 --> 01:35:49,279
you really like, just to stop and huver over it. Okay,

1633
01:35:50,760 --> 01:35:57,159
there he is beautiful drawings emotion. But yeah, snow White

1634
01:35:57,520 --> 01:35:59,640
was a great film. Obviously, it's very much like the

1635
01:35:59,640 --> 01:36:03,279
Oldsney shorts where Pinocchio really takes it to the next level.

1636
01:36:03,319 --> 01:36:04,039
Here's Uncle Wall.

1637
01:36:04,399 --> 01:36:06,840
Speaker 1: So this is the multiple a rotoscope.

1638
01:36:07,479 --> 01:36:09,840
Speaker 2: This is the multiplane camera. Actually, so I have a

1639
01:36:09,880 --> 01:36:12,840
shot here, I'll show you how it works. Brilliant. So

1640
01:36:13,800 --> 01:36:17,560
Disney invented this machine in order to do things like this.

1641
01:36:17,560 --> 01:36:20,000
This video is at sixty frames, so it's faster than

1642
01:36:20,039 --> 01:36:22,119
the regular It should be about ten seconds slower. But

1643
01:36:22,159 --> 01:36:25,439
there's one frame, I'm sorry, one plane of the camera.

1644
01:36:26,159 --> 01:36:28,800
The bridge we're going to push back into another plane

1645
01:36:28,960 --> 01:36:31,079
the camera off to the right, put back through that

1646
01:36:31,159 --> 01:36:34,720
another plane to the building. So that's three planes and

1647
01:36:34,760 --> 01:36:37,800
now we've hit the background. Oh wait, actually we haven't.

1648
01:36:37,840 --> 01:36:42,920
There's another plane. So that's five layers of anime of

1649
01:36:43,079 --> 01:36:45,800
cells that are painted and then with the animation on

1650
01:36:45,880 --> 01:36:47,880
the bottom layer. So you can see how it works

1651
01:36:47,920 --> 01:36:48,239
like this.

1652
01:36:48,920 --> 01:36:49,920
Speaker 1: That's so crazy.

1653
01:36:50,680 --> 01:36:51,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, isn't that awesome?

1654
01:36:51,800 --> 01:36:53,279
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1655
01:36:53,880 --> 01:36:54,640
Speaker 2: You can see.

1656
01:36:55,880 --> 01:36:59,159
Speaker 1: I mean, anybody who watches this opening sequence has got

1657
01:36:59,159 --> 01:37:00,920
to just be like, how did they even?

1658
01:37:01,000 --> 01:37:01,159
Speaker 2: Jay?

1659
01:37:01,199 --> 01:37:02,479
Speaker 1: And you were like, how did they do that?

1660
01:37:05,000 --> 01:37:07,720
Speaker 2: It's unsurpassed to this day. I think in terms of

1661
01:37:07,760 --> 01:37:10,640
the old Disney movies, this is the best. It's so good,

1662
01:37:10,760 --> 01:37:14,880
it's so beautiful. Everyone's operating a top top form. And

1663
01:37:14,920 --> 01:37:17,159
I think after this one hundred one Dalmatians actually is

1664
01:37:17,199 --> 01:37:20,439
like a masterclass in color design. Hearing my favorite shot.

1665
01:37:22,359 --> 01:37:25,600
Speaker 1: Oh poor thing, he's like.

1666
01:37:25,520 --> 01:37:29,239
Speaker 2: An animal man. Look at that? Oh cute? All right,

1667
01:37:29,279 --> 01:37:35,560
So here's just some dope d I mean, all this

1668
01:37:35,640 --> 01:37:37,800
never saw the light of day, you know, I mean,

1669
01:37:37,800 --> 01:37:42,000
it does not, but this is just for design and

1670
01:37:42,039 --> 01:37:44,600
look at this dynamic. That's how he knows. This is

1671
01:37:44,680 --> 01:37:48,680
the other good artists because like this Pinocchio, every single thing,

1672
01:37:48,720 --> 01:37:51,000
I can't get it centered. He's got so many different

1673
01:37:51,039 --> 01:37:53,279
motions going on. His left hand is moving this way,

1674
01:37:53,560 --> 01:37:56,479
his right hand is balanced like this. This one's moving out,

1675
01:37:56,520 --> 01:37:58,600
this one's moving out. His eyes are moving this way,

1676
01:37:58,640 --> 01:38:04,039
and so like even something is static. Is this super dynamic? Brilliant,

1677
01:38:04,560 --> 01:38:08,199
brilliant Thomas John.

1678
01:38:12,239 --> 01:38:21,520
Speaker 1: Key Hall The underwater scene I really enjoyed too, when

1679
01:38:21,560 --> 01:38:25,479
he first submerges and he's walked. Yeah, that one where

1680
01:38:25,520 --> 01:38:27,600
he's walking with the rock tied to his tail. I

1681
01:38:27,640 --> 01:38:33,720
love that. A little sea horses, Yeah, that was memorable.

1682
01:38:34,760 --> 01:38:37,199
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, go ahead, I remember.

1683
01:38:37,039 --> 01:38:39,680
Speaker 1: Jimmy Cricket like riding on a sea horse.

1684
01:38:40,920 --> 01:38:44,199
Speaker 2: Yeah. And those guys spent a year figuring out how

1685
01:38:44,199 --> 01:38:46,560
to do water and just spent a whole year animating.

1686
01:38:46,680 --> 01:38:48,359
I mean, it's crazy the amount of work that went

1687
01:38:48,399 --> 01:38:53,119
into this stuff. This was never used. I thought this

1688
01:38:53,199 --> 01:38:55,319
was an interesting I don't know where this came from.

1689
01:38:55,319 --> 01:38:58,039
I wish I knew more about it, But the tree

1690
01:38:58,199 --> 01:39:01,680
part of the story that I got them midded. Jimminy

1691
01:39:01,760 --> 01:39:03,640
apparently had a long time, you know. I mean, even

1692
01:39:03,640 --> 01:39:07,199
as as antenna, they make them look like hairs very

1693
01:39:07,439 --> 01:39:10,640
very good character design. He's a cricket, you know, he's ugly,

1694
01:39:10,720 --> 01:39:12,119
so the fact they made him look like such a

1695
01:39:12,199 --> 01:39:18,199
human is interesting. That way that Disney uh animates and

1696
01:39:18,239 --> 01:39:21,680
anthropomorphizes everything, kind of like we've talked about relationships about

1697
01:39:21,680 --> 01:39:22,800
the animism stuff.

1698
01:39:26,359 --> 01:39:30,000
Speaker 1: There he is, who is Coachman?

1699
01:39:32,239 --> 01:39:33,119
Speaker 2: Great line work.

1700
01:39:33,880 --> 01:39:37,399
Speaker 1: Do you have the black blobs?

1701
01:39:38,880 --> 01:39:39,079
Speaker 5: No?

1702
01:39:39,199 --> 01:39:42,359
Speaker 2: Actually, I didn't see any black glob drawings and like

1703
01:39:42,399 --> 01:39:43,439
behind the scenes stuff.

1704
01:39:43,640 --> 01:39:46,920
Speaker 1: I think that's one of the most like unspoken and

1705
01:39:46,920 --> 01:39:51,119
creepiest things about the movie that when I watch it,

1706
01:39:51,199 --> 01:39:53,119
nobody ever references those guys.

1707
01:39:53,600 --> 01:39:57,840
Speaker 2: What are they? I mean? There was just so much

1708
01:39:57,840 --> 01:40:01,199
going on in this little sketch here is brilliant, especially

1709
01:40:01,239 --> 01:40:05,119
this one down here is getting ring all right, let's

1710
01:40:05,159 --> 01:40:15,920
keep rolling? Oh come on, man, I mean cat? Oh hey? Oh?

1711
01:40:16,039 --> 01:40:18,479
Speaker 1: Is that from the Toys puppet?

1712
01:40:18,640 --> 01:40:21,119
Speaker 2: Huh? So that's interesting the way they tried to like

1713
01:40:21,199 --> 01:40:23,479
do this sexuality through even the puppet. They kind of

1714
01:40:23,800 --> 01:40:35,560
lean into this this one here sharks, Well, that's really cool.

1715
01:40:35,680 --> 01:40:37,560
Speaker 1: Is this from a book or what is this from?

1716
01:40:38,039 --> 01:40:41,760
Speaker 2: Yeah? These are from the art of Pinocchio and some

1717
01:40:42,000 --> 01:40:43,600
character Even though I don't know the way they figured

1718
01:40:43,640 --> 01:40:47,840
out every character. This is beautiful about any iconic art

1719
01:40:48,079 --> 01:40:49,720
in general. You can tell who somebody is by a

1720
01:40:49,760 --> 01:40:53,039
silhouette alone. You know, you can tell us Batman in

1721
01:40:53,039 --> 01:40:57,640
Pinocchio right away. So these are some drawings that would

1722
01:40:57,640 --> 01:40:59,960
have actually been animated that then the anchors would be

1723
01:41:00,119 --> 01:41:04,039
over later and do better. But this is actually would

1724
01:41:04,079 --> 01:41:09,800
be finished drawings you would see in the movie. Maybe not.

1725
01:41:09,840 --> 01:41:18,079
That one's pretty loose. There's is a real boy. She

1726
01:41:18,239 --> 01:41:19,840
is our Columbia lady.

1727
01:41:23,000 --> 01:41:23,439
Speaker 4: Oh yeah.

1728
01:41:23,479 --> 01:41:27,119
Speaker 2: The smoking scene, oh lampe.

1729
01:41:27,680 --> 01:41:34,399
Speaker 1: That's classic. Can we turn green from smoking?

1730
01:41:34,399 --> 01:41:37,000
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, I know that feeling.

1731
01:41:35,960 --> 01:41:43,239
Speaker 1: Yea. They actually they did a really good job depicting

1732
01:41:43,279 --> 01:41:45,359
what it feels like to be like your head spinning

1733
01:41:45,399 --> 01:41:46,439
because you smoke too much.

1734
01:41:47,960 --> 01:41:50,319
Speaker 2: Oh kay, all right, check out these dudes. Okay, so

1735
01:41:50,359 --> 01:41:53,119
that's just some showing some motion lines. That's okay. But

1736
01:41:53,199 --> 01:41:54,560
look at this strung old right here.

1737
01:41:59,319 --> 01:42:01,319
Speaker 1: There's that Disney butt again.

1738
01:42:02,920 --> 01:42:12,840
Speaker 2: Hmm. I love this man. He's so good that act

1739
01:42:12,920 --> 01:42:16,960
that drawing, I mean, he's acting just a drawing. We

1740
01:42:17,079 --> 01:42:22,119
think it's real. It's crazy. Let's get back to that booty.

1741
01:42:22,279 --> 01:42:26,960
Speaker 1: Really good with the emotion capturing motion.

1742
01:42:28,640 --> 01:42:30,760
Speaker 2: Alright, let's keep rolling through it just a little. So

1743
01:42:30,800 --> 01:42:38,000
these are design sketches, storyboards. This is just a like,

1744
01:42:38,079 --> 01:42:40,359
this is just a sketch. Like this is like out

1745
01:42:40,399 --> 01:42:42,520
of Dutch. There's like a Dutch sketch from like the

1746
01:42:42,600 --> 01:42:49,039
Renaissance period. Dude, like, look at that incredible draftsmanship. She is.

1747
01:42:50,600 --> 01:43:04,520
There's a red lobster, black and white guash painting man,

1748
01:43:09,439 --> 01:43:16,479
very nice. A model, actual models they use to make

1749
01:43:16,520 --> 01:43:19,600
things more realistic. There they are.

1750
01:43:20,079 --> 01:43:26,039
Speaker 1: I wonder where that Pinocchio is. Yeah, right, but in

1751
01:43:26,119 --> 01:43:28,560
a Disney museum or like a Disneyland or something.

1752
01:43:29,880 --> 01:43:36,319
Speaker 2: I have a man himself, uncle Wall guy doing Strombolie.

1753
01:43:37,159 --> 01:43:40,680
So this they didn't quite rotoscope. They rotoscope the Blue Fairy,

1754
01:43:40,760 --> 01:43:42,800
but the other guys they just used for like character

1755
01:43:42,880 --> 01:43:46,600
reference is drawn due. It's like if I could draw

1756
01:43:46,720 --> 01:43:51,840
like this, like paint, get these beautiful watercolors concept art.

1757
01:43:55,640 --> 01:44:08,399
Speaker 1: It's really neat. Well that turned out a little different,

1758
01:44:08,399 --> 01:44:09,000
didn't it.

1759
01:44:09,640 --> 01:44:13,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, huh yeah, it's cool seeing how they they came

1760
01:44:14,000 --> 01:44:15,520
through us. So here we go. It is the like

1761
01:44:15,600 --> 01:44:28,239
pieta type of almost Carrier the Dead Christ. Yeah. I mean, man,

1762
01:44:28,359 --> 01:44:32,039
I can paint like this, Lord of Hubbell.

1763
01:44:33,800 --> 01:44:35,840
Speaker 1: Well that's really cool. Thank you, for showing us all

1764
01:44:35,880 --> 01:44:36,359
those things.

1765
01:44:37,159 --> 01:44:42,840
Speaker 2: Let's see you out here. Oh stop sharing, all right.

1766
01:44:43,199 --> 01:44:51,279
Speaker 1: Beautiful It sucks to use art to hurt people. No

1767
01:44:51,479 --> 01:44:53,880
beautiful things like that. Because the last thing I wanted

1768
01:44:53,880 --> 01:44:55,920
to talk about, I mean, I promised y'all it was

1769
01:44:56,000 --> 01:45:01,319
also MK Ultra And this is what nineteen forty nineteen

1770
01:45:01,359 --> 01:45:04,119
forty one, so right around the time that they are

1771
01:45:04,159 --> 01:45:10,039
doing all of these experiments in Germany and learning how

1772
01:45:10,079 --> 01:45:15,960
to split the mind and actually turn people into a puppet,

1773
01:45:16,239 --> 01:45:19,319
right or a mind control slave. And what do you know,

1774
01:45:19,720 --> 01:45:22,159
the cover of this book actually has what a little

1775
01:45:24,159 --> 01:45:25,359
marionette on it.

1776
01:45:26,079 --> 01:45:27,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny. That's a puppet, but it's also one

1777
01:45:27,840 --> 01:45:30,479
of those artists those drawing figures. Looks more one of

1778
01:45:30,479 --> 01:45:32,159
those ones, you know, and you buy those at Michael's

1779
01:45:32,159 --> 01:45:33,560
to like close Oh.

1780
01:45:33,520 --> 01:45:36,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, a model to look at anatomy. Yeah, so you've

1781
01:45:36,600 --> 01:45:41,399
got your puppet on a string. And I didn't know

1782
01:45:41,399 --> 01:45:45,399
where to look in this book, and this version doesn't

1783
01:45:45,439 --> 01:45:47,880
have a glossary or anything, so it's not the one

1784
01:45:47,880 --> 01:45:52,520
that I read originally, but I accidentally opened it right

1785
01:45:52,560 --> 01:45:57,119
to the perfect page talking about marionette programming, and it

1786
01:45:57,159 --> 01:46:00,079
says one of the names connected with Monarch programming is Mary.

1787
01:46:00,760 --> 01:46:04,119
The child literally becomes a marionette. This concept appears to

1788
01:46:04,239 --> 01:46:07,680
have been cooked up by Germans under Tiny Mustache Man

1789
01:46:08,560 --> 01:46:11,920
an altarsystem. As a child is physically shown that they

1790
01:46:11,960 --> 01:46:15,640
are a marionette puppet, their muscles are elector shocked in

1791
01:46:15,680 --> 01:46:18,800
such a way as to take advantage of the natural reflexes.

1792
01:46:19,319 --> 01:46:23,520
When elector's shocked that way, the victim's body parts jerk

1793
01:46:23,560 --> 01:46:25,880
out of control at the whim of the programmer to

1794
01:46:25,960 --> 01:46:28,359
prove to the victim they are a puppet. At this time,

1795
01:46:28,399 --> 01:46:31,199
the rules are given, and rule number eight is that

1796
01:46:31,279 --> 01:46:35,399
the Altars are their puppet. Illuminati programmer Doctor Mengela use

1797
01:46:35,439 --> 01:46:39,399
puppets in a dollhouse as he programmed, he did skits

1798
01:46:39,439 --> 01:46:44,079
with the puppets. Pinocchio's story was used to name the

1799
01:46:44,119 --> 01:46:47,600
spirit guy Jimmy Cricket. Along with rule number eight, he

1800
01:46:47,640 --> 01:46:51,319
taught the following rules. Listen to your instructions. There is

1801
01:46:51,359 --> 01:46:55,000
no room for error. He just goes on to say

1802
01:46:55,039 --> 01:47:01,199
these like different mind control script stuff or receive orders

1803
01:47:01,880 --> 01:47:05,840
your puppets on a string. All of this about basically

1804
01:47:05,880 --> 01:47:11,800
being a marionette controlled by a puppeteer.

1805
01:47:13,039 --> 01:47:15,039
Speaker 2: When was that document written.

1806
01:47:16,479 --> 01:47:18,000
Speaker 1: This book or what?

1807
01:47:18,119 --> 01:47:20,359
Speaker 2: Or what the excerpt you just read from.

1808
01:47:20,760 --> 01:47:26,640
Speaker 1: Okay, so this is Chrits Springmeyer Cisco Wheeler how to

1809
01:47:26,680 --> 01:47:30,600
create how the Illuminati create an undetectable mind control slave.

1810
01:47:31,520 --> 01:47:35,159
And this is some kind of publication that is not

1811
01:47:36,199 --> 01:47:36,920
original one.

1812
01:47:37,920 --> 01:47:41,640
Speaker 2: What you were reading was Springmire or was it? Uh? Okay,

1813
01:47:41,640 --> 01:47:44,279
those are his words? Gotcha?

1814
01:47:44,800 --> 01:47:47,920
Speaker 1: So this version actually does not have a publication date

1815
01:47:48,079 --> 01:47:48,479
at all.

1816
01:47:49,720 --> 01:47:50,520
Speaker 2: I love it.

1817
01:47:51,439 --> 01:47:57,439
Speaker 1: Who it's very yeah, underground stuff.

1818
01:47:57,600 --> 01:48:01,439
Speaker 2: Because if because I thought he was quoting documents that

1819
01:48:01,479 --> 01:48:05,119
the the Germans were using this so or even if not,

1820
01:48:05,159 --> 01:48:09,319
it's interesting that sort of that Pinocchio mythos was in

1821
01:48:09,399 --> 01:48:12,640
the ether in that time period, because it's not like

1822
01:48:13,039 --> 01:48:15,479
if they were doing this in the forties Pinocchio, I mean,

1823
01:48:15,520 --> 01:48:17,520
I guess they could have been influenced by it, or

1824
01:48:17,560 --> 01:48:19,960
it just would have been interesting if it happened in tandem.

1825
01:48:20,199 --> 01:48:23,840
Speaker 1: Well he yeah, he might have. If you're talking about

1826
01:48:23,920 --> 01:48:28,359
Nazi doctors and stuff, they might have the actual tale.

1827
01:48:29,600 --> 01:48:31,920
But the movie came out in nineteen forty and the

1828
01:48:31,960 --> 01:48:34,920
war didn't enduntil forty five, so they had like, you know,

1829
01:48:36,039 --> 01:48:41,560
about five years to toy with Occhio programming. But yeah,

1830
01:48:41,680 --> 01:48:45,520
now what I'm I see oz all of the stuff

1831
01:48:45,560 --> 01:48:49,359
we talk about. If you want conspiracy one oh one,

1832
01:48:49,520 --> 01:48:56,800
this is the book. But yeah, MK, ultra, gnosticism, Luciferianism,

1833
01:48:57,720 --> 01:49:00,199
what else? Hew, we got in Pinocchio.

1834
01:49:01,159 --> 01:49:05,800
Speaker 2: Seeds hopefully, seeds of God somewhere in there somewhere, some.

1835
01:49:06,760 --> 01:49:13,159
Speaker 1: Tales of virtue hopefully. But that's all my notes. And yeah, yeah,

1836
01:49:13,159 --> 01:49:13,800
I don't know.

1837
01:49:13,840 --> 01:49:21,119
Speaker 2: I think at the end of the day, Uh, I

1838
01:49:21,159 --> 01:49:24,000
guess I was thinking more. I mean, it's just like

1839
01:49:24,399 --> 01:49:26,000
the only thing I ever want to say is just

1840
01:49:26,039 --> 01:49:30,239
like what they all say is like just repent, come

1841
01:49:30,279 --> 01:49:33,560
to God like, do come focus on Christ like? And

1842
01:49:33,680 --> 01:49:36,800
so it's just interesting because I think so much of

1843
01:49:36,840 --> 01:49:41,359
the hero's myth the gnostic stuff, all the mythologies other

1844
01:49:41,439 --> 01:49:45,840
than ours, they're so caked within, like so unconsciously, like

1845
01:49:45,960 --> 01:49:51,600
have these presumptions in there, hidden hidden preconceptions of evolution,

1846
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the way the world's set up, that everything exists in

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this power need for survival, whether it's survival to be

1848
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loving or survival of what you want, Like it's all

1849
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about survive. And it's like, I think it's like that's

1850
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not what's about all about Christ. It says like whatever

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that means to you, it means survive, it means to

1852
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be a martyr, like whatever it is. But it's just

1853
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like I don't know. At the end of the day,

1854
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I get tired of watching this stuff because I always

1855
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have to fight so hard in my mind to try

1856
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to find God in there where there isn't I think,

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And it's like I have to be like like but

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then again, I don't know, because it's like, seriously, at

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the end of the day, I sit in my room

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and pray and it's like, all right, God, like you

1861
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have everything under control. So it's like, how do I, like,

1862
01:50:35,399 --> 01:50:37,760
how can I be so quick to judge things that

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I don't even know?

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 2: It's like job, It's like I don't know any of

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these stuff I want to hear when anything happens. I

1867
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don't know how to pump my blood. I don't know

1868
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how many hairs are on my head, Like I don't

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know anything, you know. So it's like, hopefully I can

1870
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find good in this. But in the meantime it helps

1871
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to kind of know the lay of the land. And

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it's like this symbolism is pretty pretty hard to dismiss.

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Speaker 1: Too, so yeah, yeah, you can't really ignore it when

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it's that blatant. The symbolism is that obvious. So let's

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just take the last couple of minutes and catch us

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up about where you're at, what you're doing, and what

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we're going to do next.

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Speaker 2: Sure cool, Thanks Jamie, Thanks for everyone hanging out tonight. Yeah,

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I'm still at saying Tecon's Monastery. I just finished my

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first year of the Iconography Institute. So first icon. So

1881
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this is my first icon I painted this year. Great

1882
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glaring here, Yeah, amazing, wonderful. I mean it's like, thank you,

1883
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thank you very much. Most of what I got to

1884
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choose was the coloring. Most of what we did is

1885
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we like traced, but I mean, you're still a painting

1886
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everything you're doing in my hand. But we had a

1887
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prototype because this was really just learning how to apply

1888
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egg temper, how to make it work, how to actually

1889
01:51:53,439 --> 01:51:55,560
move the paint around, how to varnish it and all that.

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So you know, I'm looking forward to seeing how my

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style will develop as I paint or icons. But yeah,

1892
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so this year I actually have a blessing to paint

1893
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one more icon with THEO Tokos this semester, so I guess

1894
01:52:07,279 --> 01:52:09,039
somebody wants to they want to contact me, I can

1895
01:52:09,680 --> 01:52:12,039
do one pretty cheap, under five hundred dollars because I'm

1896
01:52:12,039 --> 01:52:15,239
still new. So anyways, reach out if you like an

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icon one only now and then yeah, I'll be here

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till we'll see what happens. But for our show next,

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Tina's all back into we're talking about tonight watch Hunchback.

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We'll be back in a few days. And it is

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not a Christian story, We'll just put it that way,

1902
01:52:32,439 --> 01:52:36,159
despite taking place very much in a Christian worldview. That's

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why I was really curious to do this movie, and

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01:52:38,199 --> 01:52:39,800
I think it'll be a great one just to sort

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01:52:39,840 --> 01:52:43,880
of finish the Disney saga on because it's like the

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most overtly Christian Christian movie Disney's made.

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Speaker 1: Uh huh, well, very good. I'm excited to do Hunchback,

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01:52:53,119 --> 01:52:56,359
like you said, in a couple of days, and we

1909
01:52:56,600 --> 01:52:59,479
are going to be doing mid Street cults also, and

1910
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we donut and you and I are going to be

1911
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doing a new series art in iconsography, yeah and all

1912
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of that stuff.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I thought i'd just kind of It's one

1914
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of those things like being becoming an iconographer. It's like

1915
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I'm not an ordained person when I'm not a priest,

1916
01:53:19,479 --> 01:53:21,560
not a monk or anything like that, but there's such

1917
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this reality of like immersing yourself in it that I

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gotta focus. I'm just I'm choosing to focus more on

1919
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that these days. And I thought, well, I'd hate to

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leave the show forever. We have such a good time

1921
01:53:32,960 --> 01:53:34,800
out here, so what will we do. It's like adjacent,

1922
01:53:34,840 --> 01:53:38,520
So we're gonna do art, iconography, spirituality of modern art,

1923
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and kind of all things around hovering around that.

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Speaker 1: Okay, awesome, Well we'll see you in not too long

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with Hunchback of Notre Dame. Everybody, have a good night night,