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<v Speaker 1>Hello, everyone, the fact what has gone on? Ready?

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<v Speaker 2>So we're back and it's the usual standard.

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<v Speaker 3>Of can you say that your llawds say that I

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<v Speaker 3>just did. It's going to go downhill from here.

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<v Speaker 2>Then well Amy can bleep it out. She can also

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<v Speaker 2>bleep out, but.

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<v Speaker 1>Can she what? You can't say? This will lose our

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<v Speaker 1>status as.

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<v Speaker 3>What will we lose unpaid jobs, voluntary service?

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<v Speaker 1>No, our status as the Guardians of the Galaxy. That

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<v Speaker 1>is the countryside, you know, the only true and authentic voice.

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<v Speaker 3>If the Guardians of the Galaxy are our real group

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<v Speaker 3>is going to have such a problem with you all

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<v Speaker 3>that bill hooking and laying They're probably that's probably cousins

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<v Speaker 3>of his.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, there is danger to ends.

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<v Speaker 1>No, but I'm not. I'm not, though, am I Because

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<v Speaker 1>I'm I'm actually just turning Grouped into something better than

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<v Speaker 1>what he was originally. So I'd have thought Grouped would

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<v Speaker 1>like me. I think possibly the Angry Raccoon wouldn't, because

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<v Speaker 1>I think he'd probably find my slightly sort of environmental

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<v Speaker 1>ways annoying. I think he'd probably want to blow me

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<v Speaker 1>up or something.

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<v Speaker 3>The angry Raccoon is a bit like Nigel Farage, like

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<v Speaker 3>you won't want to hang around of him all the time,

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<v Speaker 3>but you definitely go for a pipe, wouldn't.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's sort of broken many people's spell of

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<v Speaker 2>what and who you are by the fact that you

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<v Speaker 2>know what Marvel films are and you've seen them and

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<v Speaker 2>you know the plotlines and characters and things.

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<v Speaker 1>What me I like now? I like Guardians of the

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<v Speaker 1>Galaxy because it is utterly irrelevant. I also think Chris

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<v Speaker 1>Pratt is one of those rare actors that even when

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<v Speaker 1>he's not trying to be funny, he just makes me chuckle.

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<v Speaker 1>He's got those faces that you look at like Callums

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<v Speaker 1>and you just laugh at. You know, he's Callum's trying

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<v Speaker 1>to pour his heart out about something that matters a

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<v Speaker 1>lot to him, and I go, you know, I think

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<v Speaker 1>Chris Pratt's the same, although I don't know Chris Pratt personally.

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<v Speaker 2>Have you seen The Terminal List or read it?

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<v Speaker 1>No? No?

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<v Speaker 4>What is that?

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<v Speaker 2>So? It's a book a guy called Jack Carr, who

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<v Speaker 2>is a Navy seal and then he wanted basically, he

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<v Speaker 2>had his whole life planned out. He wanted to become

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<v Speaker 2>a Navy seal so he could get experience in special

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<v Speaker 2>forces and then become a writer because he's sort of

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to become effectively the sort of person who would

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<v Speaker 2>write magnum p I and that kind of thing, and

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<v Speaker 2>that was that was his influence, and he managed to

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<v Speaker 2>map out his life and follow it all and he

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<v Speaker 2>wrote this first novel called The Terminal List, which I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not going to spoil in any way other than say

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<v Speaker 2>it is possibly the most satisfying revenge novel that has

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<v Speaker 2>ever been written, and in the dramatization of it, Chris

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<v Speaker 2>Pratt plays the protagonist, and it's equally satisfying but very violent.

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<v Speaker 1>I will write that down The Terminal List, you see.

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<v Speaker 1>My favorite revenge book of all time is The Count

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<v Speaker 1>of Monte Cristo Alexander Dumat because I like that because

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<v Speaker 1>he pulls no punches, because it was obviously written, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>in the Victorian Frenchman, and it's just horrible. He has

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<v Speaker 1>no no problem whatsoever about actually serving out every single

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<v Speaker 1>vengeance against him, and I think probably every single revenge

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<v Speaker 1>novel or drama ever since has just take basically nicked

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<v Speaker 1>the Count monte Cristo, and it's a great book. I

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<v Speaker 1>wholeheartedly recommend everything that Alexander do.

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<v Speaker 2>Matt has written, Yeah, and I know would take the

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<v Speaker 2>piss out of the French quite a lot on here,

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<v Speaker 2>because well, you know, it's a cultural responsibility of ours.

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<v Speaker 2>But the French are incredibly violent and calculating as a

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<v Speaker 2>as a race. They are. I can get scared of

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<v Speaker 2>the French.

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<v Speaker 1>Indeed, you know, indeed, you've only got to sort of

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<v Speaker 1>look at some of their cheeses and realize that seriously offensive.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly seriously offensive.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we should acknowledge the fact that Callum is back.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes we should. Yeah. Yeah, And he's playing with his

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<v Speaker 1>scissors everyone you know, Yeah, he always playing with the scissors.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like a fidget spinner.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, they're already blunt scissors, though, I notice they're not

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<v Speaker 2>allowed pointy scissors.

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<v Speaker 4>No, no, not since the incident.

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<v Speaker 1>The incidents. We don't talk about the incident, Callum. We

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<v Speaker 1>know that.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I'm back.

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<v Speaker 1>I was.

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<v Speaker 3>I nearly wasn't back. Been a busy old day, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm back.

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<v Speaker 1>So you're basically you were swilling port and hanging around

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<v Speaker 1>in bars that Prido and I wouldn't get let in.

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<v Speaker 3>That's basically minor character assassination last week, but I'll allow

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<v Speaker 3>it which bit I didn't mind being referred to as

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<v Speaker 3>an extra from The Gentleman, a sort of character. The

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<v Speaker 3>cyber crime crime acceptable. I just knew myself as more

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<v Speaker 3>of a struggling creative if I was going to be

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<v Speaker 3>portrayed in a film. But I'll take cyber crime. It's

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<v Speaker 3>a bit cooler. And then you know that would also

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<v Speaker 3>normally their Asian because cyber crime is exclusively for Asians

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<v Speaker 3>in all films.

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<v Speaker 1>That's true, true, Actually, that is that is true because

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<v Speaker 1>even in Slow Horses, they've got the guy who who

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<v Speaker 1>does all the cyber stuff and hacks into everyone. He's

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<v Speaker 1>an Asian guy. That is very true.

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<v Speaker 3>It's always it's always the it's always a smart, you

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<v Speaker 3>know guy from from Tokyo or somewhere that's like a

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<v Speaker 3>genius at hacking. It's just that the most cliche they

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<v Speaker 3>could possibly get.

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder do you think in Asian made sort of gangs,

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<v Speaker 1>the slash spy films, that the person who's behind the

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<v Speaker 1>computer going hold on, i'm in, I'm in is actually

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<v Speaker 1>some English bloke you know, called Callum from Essex.

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<v Speaker 3>What they're just saying like enhance repeatedly until they can

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<v Speaker 3>turn like seven twenty CCTV footage into a high res

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<v Speaker 3>image and get a tattoo on that's it on his

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<v Speaker 3>left chin. Yeah, I love those I love those things.

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<v Speaker 3>The two thousands was a golden era for those those

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<v Speaker 3>kind of terrible like you'd open a laptop and it

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<v Speaker 3>would all just be blue and green code and then

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<v Speaker 3>someone would be like, I'm in.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, with a lot of typing, just typing faster.

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<v Speaker 3>Turfing fast, until lots of zeros and ones, when really, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>most hacking is actually like somebody sending a text message

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<v Speaker 3>to your phone telling you that something's happened and you

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<v Speaker 3>click a link roll.

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<v Speaker 4>That's what that is these days.

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<v Speaker 2>Or dropping a USB stick in the parking space of

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<v Speaker 2>the really hot girl from the office with private photos

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<v Speaker 2>written across it and just waiting for somebody picks it

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<v Speaker 2>up and shoves it into the networked office computer.

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<v Speaker 3>There was a guy that put a terribly compromising virus

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<v Speaker 3>thing into a USB device and then cemented it into

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<v Speaker 3>a wall, and he got a lot of people. A

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<v Speaker 3>lot of people were just so curious that what the

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<v Speaker 3>hell was a USB sticking out of the wall that

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<v Speaker 3>they on their laptop or phone or something into this

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<v Speaker 3>device and we took all their details, but they deserve it.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, well, curiosity killed the cas.

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<v Speaker 1>I can tell you a thing back in my pre

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<v Speaker 1>digital obviously, back when I was a young man in

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<v Speaker 1>the Army, I went on the pre Sandturst course. Was

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<v Speaker 1>absolute doss for six months at Becconsfield and basically they

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<v Speaker 1>just wanted to sort of make sure because we all

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<v Speaker 1>past our CB and before we go off to Santurst.

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<v Speaker 1>This wanted to make sure that brush up on our

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<v Speaker 1>education a bit. And we just went to the theater

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<v Speaker 1>and didn't a level in six months and that was

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<v Speaker 1>about it. But we had to do presentations and stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was there with a lovely guy who was

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<v Speaker 1>an Aussie who was going into one of the fraction

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<v Speaker 1>cavalry regiments as we had then, and he had broken

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<v Speaker 1>his headphones off his walkman, which shows you how long

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<v Speaker 1>ago it was, and he had to do a presentation

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<v Speaker 1>for a wall mounted display on Beethoven and he shoved

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<v Speaker 1>his headphones, which has got no jack plug on anymore,

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<v Speaker 1>through the wall and he just put a little thing

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<v Speaker 1>on there saying hear what Beethoven heard. And some very

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<v Speaker 1>crusty old major general sort of came around looking at

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<v Speaker 1>all our things, pretending to be interested, and we watched

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<v Speaker 1>with delight as he sort of put these headphones on

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<v Speaker 1>and then turned around and said the words that he

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<v Speaker 1>was supposed to say. Well, I can't hear anything, and

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<v Speaker 1>the chap said, exactly, that's because Beethoven was death general. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think his career lasted that long in the army,

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<v Speaker 1>but you know it was worth it just for that

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<v Speaker 1>gag alone.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you see that they've drained the lake at Sanders.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, so I hear God, that's going to have a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of lockers in it.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, the Amnesty Lake as it was referred to. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>lots of things that shouldn't exist there in that.

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<v Speaker 1>Lake, absolutely big time. I mean that you used to

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<v Speaker 1>get loads of stuff chucked in there, or your bucksheese

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<v Speaker 1>used to get thrown in yeah, and of course you did.

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<v Speaker 1>There will also been lots of ticket that's not the

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<v Speaker 1>fishing lake. No, No, you didn't fish in there, but

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<v Speaker 1>we used to have to do a river crossing exercise

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<v Speaker 1>there'll be lots of old knives, forks and spoons that

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<v Speaker 1>have fallen out of your webbing as you did a

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<v Speaker 1>sort of river crossing exercise along there, and the it's

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<v Speaker 1>a funny old thing actually that because we we had that,

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<v Speaker 1>there was a thing in the army where basically you

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<v Speaker 1>get issued a very small amount of kit which is

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<v Speaker 1>really insufficient to do your job. So you get something

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<v Speaker 1>called bucksheese, which goes back to our days of the

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<v Speaker 1>Indian Army, and buckshee he means basically free of charge.

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<v Speaker 1>So you get kit and you accumulate it either by theft,

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<v Speaker 1>borrowing and not giving back inadvertently signing something out and

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<v Speaker 1>then someone gets it wrong and you end up with

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<v Speaker 1>a lot more kit than you used to have. But

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<v Speaker 1>we had at Knightsbridge, when I was at the Mounted Regiment,

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<v Speaker 1>we had some massive who har that came down. They

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<v Speaker 1>realized just how expensive the household cavalry was and how

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<v Speaker 1>much it was costing the exchequer, and so they sent

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<v Speaker 1>down a load of people from the SIB, which is

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<v Speaker 1>like the Special Investigations branch of the Royal Military Police,

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<v Speaker 1>claiming that there were clearly massive fraud going on because

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<v Speaker 1>we had far too much kit for how many men

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<v Speaker 1>were there, and they were wanting to know where all

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<v Speaker 1>this missing stuff was because it was worth hundreds of

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<v Speaker 1>thousands of pounds. All this stuff that was sort of

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<v Speaker 1>we'd got wasn't on anyone's kind of stuff. Oh, everything

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<v Speaker 1>from State Kit. So that would be the State helmets,

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<v Speaker 1>your curiasses, jack boots, spurs, even just the bits alone

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<v Speaker 1>that the horses wore in their mouth for on what

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<v Speaker 1>we used to call State head kit, that's the bridle.

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<v Speaker 1>Those things alone were worth like two hundred and fifty

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<v Speaker 1>quid a pop back then in the eighties, and they

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<v Speaker 1>were just everywhere. Well, and it's so unique and special.

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<v Speaker 1>And one or two I think it all came because

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<v Speaker 1>there was a full set of State Kit arrived in

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<v Speaker 1>He knew this was coming, and he th on, look

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<v Speaker 4>Make places and people's names.

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<v Speaker 1>what the army used to be like, not the pastiche is.

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<v Speaker 2>over the last few weeks, and I want to highlight

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<v Speaker 2>the support that we've had as a business from Elite Optical,

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<v Speaker 2>and in particular a man called Glenn, who is probably

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<v Speaker 2>because they are the guys that bring in hick micro

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<v Speaker 2>thermal imaging stuff that we've talked about on the podcast before,

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<v Speaker 2>but I've been using them in a non field sports

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<v Speaker 2>hunting sense over the last few weeks on some courses.

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<v Speaker 2>or something like that and that's a few years old,

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<v Speaker 2>go and play with the new stuff. It is out

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<v Speaker 2>of this world. I mean, there was one bit where

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<v Speaker 2>amongst other things, and he's got some hives in our woods.

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred yards a get away and he goes, what

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<v Speaker 2>are those? And those are your bees? Mate, It's like

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred yards away, I'm spotting bees in fult In,

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<v Speaker 2>even on a hot day. The detection on this stuff

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<v Speaker 2>within it, and I'm not this is not a sales

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<v Speaker 2>pitch because I don't get anything from it. It's just

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<v Speaker 2>bloody hell. This kit has moved on a huge way.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's what I've been doing over the last few

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<v Speaker 2>weeks on and off different courses, is teaching people who

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<v Speaker 2>out of it. And yeah, the new kit is scarily good.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I feel sorry for anyone that spent a huge

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<v Speaker 3>amount of money on stuff only three four years ago

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<v Speaker 3>that yeah, you can now buy a very basic model

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<v Speaker 3>that's the same and a hell of a lot cheaper

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<v Speaker 3>stuff is if you're going to spend that money the

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<v Speaker 3>big money. Actually it's not even the same in terms

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<v Speaker 3>of big money, is it. Really, it's quite a bit less.

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<v Speaker 3>And still they're still really good.

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<v Speaker 2>I was going to say it's been it's been like

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<v Speaker 2>digital cameras have gone, but actually digital cameras, particularly like

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<v Speaker 2>even mirrorless and things like that. The tech is kind

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<v Speaker 2>of stalled. It's not you know, something new this year

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<v Speaker 2>compared to last year, isn't is the rate of development

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<v Speaker 3>You know, in the I really didn't expect to get

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<v Speaker 3>into this in the last sort of two years or so, maybe.

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<v Speaker 2>Your previous career of callum.

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<v Speaker 4>Maybe like three years.

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<v Speaker 3>They've worked out how to make lenses that so optical

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<v Speaker 3>designs were based on DSLR cameras for a long long time.

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<v Speaker 3>So all of your first versions of lenses are all

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<v Speaker 3>DSLR lenses because we're making the glass, we're making the components,

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<v Speaker 3>cameras well. Now they've had enough time and money invested

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<v Speaker 3>to get mark two versions of some of these lenses,

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<v Speaker 3>and they've shrunk them optically, they've tweaked different things, and

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<v Speaker 3>they're working with the limitations of the flanged depth. Never

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<v Speaker 3>gets old of the camera and optics, yeah, I know it.

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<v Speaker 3>Never it never got old grass either, And they've they've

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<v Speaker 3>worked out how to make optically far superior lenses than

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<v Speaker 3>any DSLR lenses that ever existed. So the optics and

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<v Speaker 3>the speed of auto focus has gone on absolutely miles

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<v Speaker 3>where the changes in actual image performance and dynamic range

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<v Speaker 3>have not gone crazy different in the last I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, five years.

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<v Speaker 3>Five years, yeah, five years, it's not mad different, but

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<v Speaker 3>the speed of aater focusing and processing and a little

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<v Speaker 3>bit of a dynamic range improvement has come.

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<v Speaker 4>But they could all change with stacked senses.

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<v Speaker 1>For you, you see that, I have no idea what

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<v Speaker 1>you are talking about. I use a bill hook that

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<v Speaker 1>was made in nineteen twenty three. Yeah, that's what I.

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<v Speaker 2>You're made in nineteen twenty three.

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<v Speaker 1>I've got a seven pound lump hammer, which I have

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<v Speaker 1>to say has got a plastic shaft because it takes

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<v Speaker 1>some of the thing out whacking stuff and I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want that.

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<v Speaker 4>You get a silicon shaft.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I'm not on only fans, so I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think so. And that's basically it, you know, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I take photo. I had to go today editing with

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<v Speaker 1>I had to go with the editing app on my

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<v Speaker 1>phone because when I'm laying a hedge, the chap next

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<v Speaker 1>door said, oh, just make it. I was taking the

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<v Speaker 1>photographs because we have to do that for the bean

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<v Speaker 1>counters at the RPA, and he said, oh, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want my place appearing anywhere. I went, okay, so I

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<v Speaker 1>use the raise function on this thing and I was

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<v Speaker 1>able to remove all the background imagery out of this thing.

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<v Speaker 1>And I thought, well, that's just magic. I don't even

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<v Speaker 1>know how that works, but it does. So anyway, listen,

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<v Speaker 1>I think I don't have no idea what DSLR are.

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<v Speaker 1>We are country Slide, the UK's finest rural podcast, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's got nothing to do with the country side. So

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<v Speaker 1>why don't we talk about trees instead? Trees? I like trees.

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone likes trees. What's your favorite tree?

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<v Speaker 2>So we're just watching the show plan be obliterated entirely.

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<v Speaker 4>There was a great link.

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<v Speaker 2>Richard.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you for your time and your patients. It really

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<v Speaker 3>means a lot to us.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you. I have no idea what DSLRM means, and

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to know. I just I just take

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<v Speaker 1>it that when you press buttons, things that probably did

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<v Speaker 1>happen look better on the image that you have made,

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<v Speaker 1>and that happens.

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<v Speaker 3>Do they believe in suffing that every time I take

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<v Speaker 3>a picture, I capture their soul.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's it. That's what happens in Suffolk of the

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<v Speaker 1>See when you go and take Garnum, because he's from Essix,

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<v Speaker 1>he's they look at it a bit differently. Basically just pouts,

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<v Speaker 1>pats at the camera. He's pacting all the time. He

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<v Speaker 1>just can't see because he's always got his little mask.

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<v Speaker 4>Do you know what I took.

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<v Speaker 3>I took a really nice picture of Garnum yesterday where

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<v Speaker 3>I made him laugh from across a pond. So and

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<v Speaker 3>sometimes they make it into the magazine, but I never

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<v Speaker 3>get mentioned. So there will be probably a picture in

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<v Speaker 3>the Shooting Times in the next couple of weeks of

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<v Speaker 3>Simon Garnum laughing as he puts out some till decoys,

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<v Speaker 3>which basically makes him look like he's a mentalist, like

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<v Speaker 3>there's something actually wrong with him, because nobody you know

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<v Speaker 3>who sits on a marsh and shares a joke with

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<v Speaker 3>their dog, Well, not that many people.

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<v Speaker 4>Well probably, yeah, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Mean that is that's true. Actually, But when you think

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of the time when you used to come

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<v Speaker 1>out and do photographs of Darren Ceiser and I for

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<v Speaker 1>Kit Review, and you always got lots and lots of

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<v Speaker 1>pictures of us laughing as we're sort of sat there

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<v Speaker 3>It's not so bad when it's which you and Darren

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<v Speaker 3>and people know that it's you two together. But when

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<v Speaker 3>it's you you alone on a marsh with your decoys laughing, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>laughing up with the labrador. Yeah that is true. Actually

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<v Speaker 3>that is a bit worrying, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 2>Right now, listener, listen to this bit. This is the

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<v Speaker 2>important bit. This is the bit that once again we

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<v Speaker 2>forgot to put in the main episode, mostly because I

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't get a word in edgeways past the other two talking. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>this show runs well, it's run entirely on the back

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<v Speaker 2>of our supporters over at Patreon dot com or if

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<v Speaker 2>you go to Countryslide dot co dot uk forward slash

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<v Speaker 2>support you'll see the same links and in fact better links.

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<v Speaker 1>There.

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<v Speaker 2>Those people, those people, and they know who they are.

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<v Speaker 2>They keep the show going because they give us a

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<v Speaker 2>small amount of money every month and in return, because

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<v Speaker 2>we do acknowledge that times are tight and giving any

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<v Speaker 2>do it. In return, we give them extra content. So

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<v Speaker 2>every main show has an after show, which is often

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<v Speaker 2>there we just carry on rambling, but we say all

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<v Speaker 2>the things that we don't really want to say out

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<v Speaker 2>in public. There's sort of things that you wouldn't want

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<v Speaker 2>to put your career next to. We put all those

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<v Speaker 2>kind of things behind the paywall. You also, as a supporter,

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<v Speaker 2>get access to our WhatsApp group, so that is quite

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<v Speaker 2>a big community now of people, and we've got sub

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<v Speaker 2>channels in there about gardening and farming and forestry and

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<v Speaker 2>shooting and fishing and food, and there's a motoring section.

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<v Speaker 2>There's all these little bits. It's starting to become well,

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<v Speaker 2>a really active community of like minded rural people. And

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<v Speaker 2>if you want access to all of that, then go

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<v Speaker 2>to countryslide dot co dot UK forward slash support. The

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<v Speaker 2>other benefit is you don't get any more ads on

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<v Speaker 2>the episode and this bit that I'm reading out right

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<v Speaker 2>now goes away. So if you want to get rid

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<v Speaker 2>of me and get rid of this, there you have it.

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<v Speaker 2>Right back. With the episode, Rich's probably talking about the

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<v Speaker 2>army horses, hedges, Norfolk Suffolk, or Calum is talking about

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry, so we aren't going to talk about our favorite trees.

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<v Speaker 1>We're supposed to talk about what we've done this week.

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<v Speaker 1>I think first.

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<v Speaker 2>I tried to lead you into that with a thermal thing.

426
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<v Speaker 2>That's what I was doing. I was saying, well, that's

427
00:24:47.039 --> 00:24:49.119
<v Speaker 2>what I've been doing, and I was about to say,

428
00:24:49.160 --> 00:24:49.759
<v Speaker 2>what have you up to?

429
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<v Speaker 1>You and the like hedges. That's it, And he's been

430
00:24:52.799 --> 00:24:56.240
<v Speaker 1>fiddling around with this dlrs, so you know that's it.

431
00:24:56.279 --> 00:25:03.920
<v Speaker 1>We can go on to trees. Now, go on, then,

432
00:25:03.920 --> 00:25:04.680
<v Speaker 1>what have you been up to?

433
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<v Speaker 3>I've been doing posh things the last few weeks. I've

434
00:25:09.599 --> 00:25:12.079
<v Speaker 3>been to Parliament a couple of times. I had to

435
00:25:12.160 --> 00:25:15.039
<v Speaker 3>walk there because the train strikes. So thanks for that, TfL.

436
00:25:15.599 --> 00:25:18.039
<v Speaker 3>I hope you get your pay rise in line of inflation.

437
00:25:20.119 --> 00:25:22.680
<v Speaker 2>Have you noticed when it affects him? Not a communist?

438
00:25:23.079 --> 00:25:27.240
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, no, I'm all for socialism, but you know, why

439
00:25:27.319 --> 00:25:28.119
<v Speaker 3>do I have to walk?

440
00:25:29.200 --> 00:25:34.240
<v Speaker 1>Exactly? Yeah, that's another reform. Votes over arrived at the station,

441
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<v Speaker 1>Thank you very much? Are empty paint.

442
00:25:38.160 --> 00:25:39.200
<v Speaker 4>A roundabout.

443
00:25:42.319 --> 00:25:42.960
<v Speaker 1>Parliament?

444
00:25:43.920 --> 00:25:47.440
<v Speaker 3>So I went to Parliament, done a little parliamentary reception

445
00:25:47.599 --> 00:25:52.119
<v Speaker 3>to people drinking champagne talking talking about public transport.

446
00:25:52.160 --> 00:25:52.720
<v Speaker 4>That was fun.

447
00:25:52.960 --> 00:25:56.759
<v Speaker 3>Had to also get a double decker bus to catch

448
00:25:56.799 --> 00:26:00.240
<v Speaker 3>the bus month and I had to direct it in

449
00:26:00.279 --> 00:26:03.519
<v Speaker 3>front of the Palace of Westminster and then take pictures

450
00:26:03.519 --> 00:26:07.920
<v Speaker 3>of it. We have lots of MPs and at one point,

451
00:26:08.480 --> 00:26:11.200
<v Speaker 3>although he's not an MP and he wasn't actually invited,

452
00:26:12.920 --> 00:26:17.599
<v Speaker 3>that fella the the what's his name, it's gone, the

453
00:26:17.680 --> 00:26:22.799
<v Speaker 3>Victorian Jacob Riese mod He's just really strange. It's like

454
00:26:22.839 --> 00:26:25.759
<v Speaker 3>he's from a Dickens book. I've spoke to him like

455
00:26:25.799 --> 00:26:28.960
<v Speaker 3>two or three times and he's never not strange.

456
00:26:29.400 --> 00:26:30.440
<v Speaker 4>But I quite like him.

457
00:26:30.440 --> 00:26:32.480
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what you mean, living ghost of a

458
00:26:32.559 --> 00:26:34.440
<v Speaker 2>Victorian child Jacob Riese mog.

459
00:26:35.400 --> 00:26:37.160
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, he looks haunted.

460
00:26:37.240 --> 00:26:40.119
<v Speaker 1>They called him the Minister for the nineteenth Century, which

461
00:26:40.160 --> 00:26:41.799
<v Speaker 1>I thought was quite funny when he was.

462
00:26:42.200 --> 00:26:43.880
<v Speaker 2>I want that job, actually, i'd have that.

463
00:26:45.400 --> 00:26:49.920
<v Speaker 1>What are the policies, yeah, well work houses, yeah, bring

464
00:26:50.000 --> 00:26:54.519
<v Speaker 1>them back and return of the Empire. So sorry, how

465
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<v Speaker 1>did you direct a bus in front of I mean,

466
00:26:57.880 --> 00:27:00.319
<v Speaker 1>did you have to wave your arms about.

467
00:27:00.319 --> 00:27:02.680
<v Speaker 4>Right a bit? Yeah, it's quite hard to direct a bus.

468
00:27:02.759 --> 00:27:07.119
<v Speaker 3>And also, obviously so I've done this before, this isn't

469
00:27:07.160 --> 00:27:10.000
<v Speaker 3>my first time directing a bus outside of the Palace

470
00:27:10.000 --> 00:27:12.559
<v Speaker 3>of Westbodin, which is a sentence I never thought I'd

471
00:27:12.599 --> 00:27:15.440
<v Speaker 3>say in my life, but I had done it before,

472
00:27:15.480 --> 00:27:19.880
<v Speaker 3>but there's an incredible police presence now, so whereas it

473
00:27:20.440 --> 00:27:24.519
<v Speaker 3>was previously quite easy to do because we booked out

474
00:27:25.599 --> 00:27:29.480
<v Speaker 3>opposite the palace, there's a little there's a little square,

475
00:27:30.839 --> 00:27:34.039
<v Speaker 3>not Parliament Square, just down a little bit in.

476
00:27:34.079 --> 00:27:37.119
<v Speaker 1>Front of the Queen Elizabeth the second conference Center.

477
00:27:37.559 --> 00:27:40.559
<v Speaker 3>That's it, that one, so we booked that out. But

478
00:27:40.799 --> 00:27:45.119
<v Speaker 3>there was huge police presence and lots of lots of

479
00:27:45.160 --> 00:27:48.200
<v Speaker 3>things happening, and lots of armed people in the way,

480
00:27:48.359 --> 00:27:51.599
<v Speaker 3>which made it really difficult. But I did manage to

481
00:27:51.640 --> 00:27:54.440
<v Speaker 3>get it, and there isn't any scaffolding this time, which

482
00:27:54.480 --> 00:27:57.720
<v Speaker 3>is always nice. We got some call images and then

483
00:27:57.920 --> 00:28:02.160
<v Speaker 3>I've done fancy stuff in hotels where we released an

484
00:28:02.200 --> 00:28:04.079
<v Speaker 3>eighty year old vintage port.

485
00:28:04.440 --> 00:28:06.720
<v Speaker 4>I say we, I didn't. I didn't make it. I'm

486
00:28:06.720 --> 00:28:07.240
<v Speaker 4>not that old.

487
00:28:07.640 --> 00:28:11.400
<v Speaker 3>But well, I was with all the journalists photographing them

488
00:28:11.680 --> 00:28:15.680
<v Speaker 3>sipping port which is so expensive. We had to dish

489
00:28:15.720 --> 00:28:20.440
<v Speaker 3>out Vira Pippett because like every sip is probably like

490
00:28:20.599 --> 00:28:21.799
<v Speaker 3>six pounds.

491
00:28:22.240 --> 00:28:23.759
<v Speaker 4>So yeah, how was it.

492
00:28:24.880 --> 00:28:27.319
<v Speaker 3>I didn't drink the eighty, but I did drink the

493
00:28:27.359 --> 00:28:34.680
<v Speaker 3>forty and it was phenomenal, so unbelievably good. It loses

494
00:28:34.799 --> 00:28:38.039
<v Speaker 3>like the deity flavor you get of Attorney Port, and

495
00:28:38.119 --> 00:28:42.960
<v Speaker 3>it takes more of a sort of syrupy sweetness, but

496
00:28:42.960 --> 00:28:45.559
<v Speaker 3>you still get the complexity, but you don't get quite

497
00:28:45.720 --> 00:28:49.759
<v Speaker 3>the deity flavor, the fruity sort of number.

498
00:28:49.880 --> 00:28:51.599
<v Speaker 4>And it's so nice, so good.

499
00:28:51.799 --> 00:28:54.599
<v Speaker 2>Because you're not allowed to mention the brand yet, I'm

500
00:28:54.599 --> 00:28:57.319
<v Speaker 2>guessing was it the same company that we were drinking

501
00:28:57.839 --> 00:28:59.720
<v Speaker 2>their port cocktails at the game there?

502
00:29:01.759 --> 00:29:05.559
<v Speaker 3>No, probably not, No, it was it was Graham's. I

503
00:29:05.599 --> 00:29:09.400
<v Speaker 3>know the people there, they're all good Graham's Port. If

504
00:29:09.440 --> 00:29:11.519
<v Speaker 3>anyone's got sixteen hundred quid they want to spend on

505
00:29:11.559 --> 00:29:12.599
<v Speaker 3>a bottle, you just.

506
00:29:13.599 --> 00:29:18.440
<v Speaker 1>No short answer notes, I haven't an old Ford focus. Then, actually,

507
00:29:18.640 --> 00:29:22.839
<v Speaker 1>let's be perfectly honest. The country slide listenership are pretty

508
00:29:23.039 --> 00:29:26.920
<v Speaker 1>unlikely to be spending sixteen one hundred quid on a

509
00:29:26.960 --> 00:29:29.759
<v Speaker 1>bottle of port. Well, they're much more likely to spend

510
00:29:29.839 --> 00:29:34.519
<v Speaker 1>some money on is extra bottles of very cheap gin

511
00:29:34.680 --> 00:29:39.240
<v Speaker 1>from Aldi, so that the cook called someone like Gardens

512
00:29:40.119 --> 00:29:42.920
<v Speaker 1>Gardens or Yes or Goblin.

513
00:29:42.880 --> 00:29:45.240
<v Speaker 3>Cheap what did I buy a cheap test ghost one

514
00:29:45.240 --> 00:29:47.839
<v Speaker 3>the other day to make my first ever batch of

515
00:29:48.000 --> 00:29:51.880
<v Speaker 3>slow Gin. So I have three bottles sitting on the

516
00:29:52.480 --> 00:29:55.079
<v Speaker 3>on the shelf outside. Should I put them outside? Is

517
00:29:55.119 --> 00:29:57.119
<v Speaker 3>that a good idea? Or should I wring them in?

518
00:29:58.559 --> 00:30:02.240
<v Speaker 2>I'd keep them room temperature well, somewhere under the sink.

519
00:30:02.400 --> 00:30:06.960
<v Speaker 2>Isn't bad because you're not fermenting anything. You're just infusing,

520
00:30:07.160 --> 00:30:08.640
<v Speaker 2>so you just want it to be nice and stable.

521
00:30:09.480 --> 00:30:12.039
<v Speaker 2>Don't put me so outside's bad.

522
00:30:13.160 --> 00:30:15.880
<v Speaker 4>I've been turning them every day as well, channeling my

523
00:30:16.559 --> 00:30:20.440
<v Speaker 4>inner champagne creator wine maker.

524
00:30:21.640 --> 00:30:25.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you're just dissolving that. You're just dissolving and slushing. Really,

525
00:30:25.160 --> 00:30:26.599
<v Speaker 2>that's what you're doing with the slow gin.

526
00:30:27.240 --> 00:30:29.799
<v Speaker 3>Oh I thought you just meant in general that does

527
00:30:29.839 --> 00:30:31.319
<v Speaker 3>feel like what I'm doing most days.

528
00:30:31.400 --> 00:30:33.640
<v Speaker 2>Well, you're turning every day anyway in life, aren't you.

529
00:30:33.640 --> 00:30:35.200
<v Speaker 2>You know, it's just every day it's a new job.

530
00:30:36.240 --> 00:30:37.799
<v Speaker 4>I'm dissolving and slashing.

531
00:30:38.400 --> 00:30:40.079
<v Speaker 2>That's just getting through your thirties.

532
00:30:41.039 --> 00:30:46.720
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the physio is going well.

533
00:30:47.240 --> 00:30:47.480
<v Speaker 4>Time.

534
00:30:48.960 --> 00:30:51.759
<v Speaker 3>I really liked your supplement chat the other day as well.

535
00:30:51.799 --> 00:30:54.960
<v Speaker 3>That was in the after show. What was actually quite

536
00:30:55.039 --> 00:31:03.000
<v Speaker 3>good creating. I'm absolutely for taking quick. Now I might start.

537
00:31:03.359 --> 00:31:07.319
<v Speaker 3>I might start doing some extra creatine supplements. See if

538
00:31:07.319 --> 00:31:12.319
<v Speaker 3>it improves cognitive function. It actually makes sense. On the

539
00:31:12.359 --> 00:31:14.119
<v Speaker 3>next podcast, you know what's happened.

540
00:31:14.200 --> 00:31:18.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he's over the overdosed on creating. I'm still not

541
00:31:18.640 --> 00:31:23.680
<v Speaker 1>taking creating, but I am untill continuing with my vitamin

542
00:31:23.759 --> 00:31:28.519
<v Speaker 1>D supplement, so I might need to get that too. Yeah, well,

543
00:31:28.680 --> 00:31:31.200
<v Speaker 1>you know, I think it's I think it's certainly something

544
00:31:31.240 --> 00:31:35.480
<v Speaker 1>that to try and make my poor old skin, which

545
00:31:35.640 --> 00:31:39.039
<v Speaker 1>is now already looking like I've been attacked by well

546
00:31:39.039 --> 00:31:40.960
<v Speaker 1>a hedge. Funny enough, because I haven't been attacked by

547
00:31:41.039 --> 00:31:43.599
<v Speaker 1>hedge is looking a bit and what's it? So? Have

548
00:31:43.640 --> 00:31:50.039
<v Speaker 1>you done anything else other than sworn about with ghastly politicians,

549
00:31:50.200 --> 00:31:54.640
<v Speaker 1>smart girning from buses and drinking port. Have you done

550
00:31:54.680 --> 00:31:59.160
<v Speaker 1>anything that doesn't involve the ghastliest people in society? We've

551
00:31:59.160 --> 00:32:02.759
<v Speaker 1>done some night anything with nice people. Callum.

552
00:32:02.799 --> 00:32:07.079
<v Speaker 3>I went out with with your your biggest fans at

553
00:32:07.079 --> 00:32:12.160
<v Speaker 3>the weekend, so the Watchers, not just Simon Garno. I

554
00:32:12.200 --> 00:32:18.359
<v Speaker 3>went out with the Eastern County mink Howns. Obviously know

555
00:32:18.440 --> 00:32:21.000
<v Speaker 3>well because you covered them see shooting Times.

556
00:32:21.000 --> 00:32:25.000
<v Speaker 1>You covered them for shooting Times and Scribe Hand. Yes,

557
00:32:25.480 --> 00:32:30.680
<v Speaker 1>I revisited. Yes, was it the same article? Though, no,

558
00:32:30.799 --> 00:32:33.200
<v Speaker 1>it wasn't. It was quite different because this time the

559
00:32:33.200 --> 00:32:36.359
<v Speaker 1>ghastly antes came out with us when we for this

560
00:32:36.480 --> 00:32:37.519
<v Speaker 1>for the scribe hand things.

561
00:32:37.519 --> 00:32:39.240
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, how did you arrange that? How did your

562
00:32:39.240 --> 00:32:39.720
<v Speaker 2>book them in?

563
00:32:39.920 --> 00:32:43.000
<v Speaker 1>Well? You know, I not the first at this.

564
00:32:43.480 --> 00:32:44.440
<v Speaker 4>Were you at that one?

565
00:32:44.599 --> 00:32:46.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? I mean I do know.

566
00:32:46.680 --> 00:32:49.480
<v Speaker 3>I went to the one before, which was I do.

567
00:32:49.480 --> 00:32:52.440
<v Speaker 1>Not know how the anties found out where they were? Well,

568
00:32:52.480 --> 00:32:54.720
<v Speaker 1>I do know. Actually I think it's drones. I think

569
00:32:54.720 --> 00:32:56.079
<v Speaker 1>what they do because at the end of the day,

570
00:32:56.079 --> 00:33:00.559
<v Speaker 1>if you think about mink howns, well, yes, we ought

571
00:33:00.559 --> 00:33:04.960
<v Speaker 1>to explain about how it works because these aren'tline mink

572
00:33:05.000 --> 00:33:09.319
<v Speaker 1>hous I have been mink hunting since I was a

573
00:33:09.359 --> 00:33:13.480
<v Speaker 1>small child. I would say that my love of hunting,

574
00:33:14.119 --> 00:33:17.640
<v Speaker 1>but mink hunting was brilliant because the most the galitarian

575
00:33:17.680 --> 00:33:23.480
<v Speaker 1>thing ever, it followed in the footsteps of otter hunting. Right.

576
00:33:23.519 --> 00:33:29.240
<v Speaker 1>You had a pack of hounds which were either foxhounds

577
00:33:29.240 --> 00:33:31.559
<v Speaker 1>that were drafted from foxhound packs and they got a

578
00:33:31.559 --> 00:33:34.960
<v Speaker 1>bit old and slow, or they had otter hounds, which

579
00:33:35.000 --> 00:33:38.440
<v Speaker 1>is these great, big, shaggy things that looked like sort

580
00:33:38.480 --> 00:33:40.839
<v Speaker 1>of a foxhound has decided to put on an astra

581
00:33:40.960 --> 00:33:44.200
<v Speaker 1>can coat or otherwise. They were a cross between the two.

582
00:33:44.839 --> 00:33:49.119
<v Speaker 1>And you would have about fifteen couple of hounds and

583
00:33:49.200 --> 00:33:51.440
<v Speaker 1>you would descend into the water and you would hunt

584
00:33:51.440 --> 00:33:53.960
<v Speaker 1>the drag of a mink and it was all jolly

585
00:33:53.960 --> 00:33:57.279
<v Speaker 1>good fun and you would sometimes kill mink, you sometimes didn't,

586
00:33:57.640 --> 00:34:00.440
<v Speaker 1>but it was sort of done less along the style

587
00:34:00.519 --> 00:34:03.119
<v Speaker 1>of what the old otter hunting used to do. And

588
00:34:03.160 --> 00:34:04.880
<v Speaker 1>if anyone's ever read Tark of the Otter you will

589
00:34:04.920 --> 00:34:08.559
<v Speaker 1>know what sort of went on with otter hunting. Well,

590
00:34:08.639 --> 00:34:13.119
<v Speaker 1>of course that was banned as part of Blair's attack

591
00:34:13.400 --> 00:34:19.119
<v Speaker 1>on right thinking people. And to try and do trail

592
00:34:19.280 --> 00:34:24.320
<v Speaker 1>hunting with mink counts on water is basically a non starter.

593
00:34:24.360 --> 00:34:27.039
<v Speaker 1>It doesn't work. So the Eastern County's mink hunts, the

594
00:34:27.119 --> 00:34:31.199
<v Speaker 1>chaps you went with, have got a far better way

595
00:34:31.280 --> 00:34:34.519
<v Speaker 1>of doing it. And callum you explain how the Eastern

596
00:34:34.519 --> 00:34:39.280
<v Speaker 1>Counties mink hunt, not mink Houns mink hunt do it.

597
00:34:39.719 --> 00:34:47.000
<v Speaker 3>So the rules are you're not allowed multiple hounds, so

598
00:34:47.800 --> 00:34:53.920
<v Speaker 3>you can have a two hound and a dog, so

599
00:34:54.039 --> 00:34:57.239
<v Speaker 3>you can't have well, I don't know could they could

600
00:34:57.280 --> 00:35:00.360
<v Speaker 3>they have to. I don't know, you allow you're allowed

601
00:35:00.360 --> 00:35:00.760
<v Speaker 3>to dogs.

602
00:35:00.760 --> 00:35:06.400
<v Speaker 1>You're allowed to have two dogs to flush to the gun. Yeah,

603
00:35:06.800 --> 00:35:08.360
<v Speaker 1>that's the rule.

604
00:35:10.039 --> 00:35:13.280
<v Speaker 3>So you get So we've got a little beagle called

605
00:35:13.360 --> 00:35:20.239
<v Speaker 3>Miles and a black lab called Bramble and essentially they

606
00:35:21.360 --> 00:35:27.840
<v Speaker 3>have this have a very good lunch. It's a proper spread.

607
00:35:28.440 --> 00:35:31.760
<v Speaker 3>It's there's quite a lot of pageantry to it, which

608
00:35:31.880 --> 00:35:35.960
<v Speaker 3>as a as a sort of towny from Essex, it

609
00:35:36.000 --> 00:35:38.559
<v Speaker 3>does feel a bit strange because it's not an environment

610
00:35:38.599 --> 00:35:42.679
<v Speaker 3>I've ever seen myself in ever before. At one point

611
00:35:42.719 --> 00:35:47.360
<v Speaker 3>a man poured a monocle from his waistcoat to to

612
00:35:47.440 --> 00:35:51.719
<v Speaker 3>look at a sort of taxidermy otter tail that was

613
00:35:51.760 --> 00:35:57.519
<v Speaker 3>recently purchased at auction, So it was it's just strange

614
00:35:57.599 --> 00:36:00.639
<v Speaker 3>for me. There's there's no judge in that.

615
00:36:00.719 --> 00:36:01.760
<v Speaker 4>It's just a very.

616
00:36:03.440 --> 00:36:06.639
<v Speaker 3>It's a culture shock that I'm not really used to.

617
00:36:07.039 --> 00:36:10.159
<v Speaker 3>I don't think I've ever seen a monocle outside of Monopoly.

618
00:36:10.480 --> 00:36:12.559
<v Speaker 2>Take place in a flat roof pup. Would you have

619
00:36:12.599 --> 00:36:14.159
<v Speaker 2>been more comfortable or if it was like in a

620
00:36:14.159 --> 00:36:15.039
<v Speaker 2>lock up or something.

621
00:36:15.440 --> 00:36:18.760
<v Speaker 3>I mean, it feels like something that could have happened

622
00:36:18.760 --> 00:36:23.079
<v Speaker 3>at an after party that where someone's brought out the

623
00:36:23.239 --> 00:36:27.159
<v Speaker 3>sort of the regal dress or something. And then and

624
00:36:27.199 --> 00:36:32.639
<v Speaker 3>then yeah, but anyway, I digress. These guys they have

625
00:36:32.800 --> 00:36:36.920
<v Speaker 3>a fantastic lunch and then they get into a freezing

626
00:36:37.079 --> 00:36:43.360
<v Speaker 3>cold creek or stream or river and they take the

627
00:36:43.440 --> 00:36:48.239
<v Speaker 3>dog and the beagle and the well, I'm not sure,

628
00:36:50.480 --> 00:36:54.840
<v Speaker 3>I take a beagle and bramble. And then two of

629
00:36:54.880 --> 00:36:58.800
<v Speaker 3>them walk up while others are on the bank and

630
00:36:59.159 --> 00:37:05.239
<v Speaker 3>they just looking for signs of mink under trees. And

631
00:37:05.639 --> 00:37:10.280
<v Speaker 3>when we went, you found coot chicks in one of

632
00:37:10.320 --> 00:37:13.119
<v Speaker 3>their holes, didn't you, coot chicks? And you pulled out

633
00:37:13.480 --> 00:37:17.719
<v Speaker 3>a very fresh coot chick. There this mink had just killed,

634
00:37:18.360 --> 00:37:21.360
<v Speaker 3>hid into its hole and just left it there. Mink

635
00:37:21.400 --> 00:37:22.159
<v Speaker 3>couldn't even eat.

636
00:37:22.159 --> 00:37:26.199
<v Speaker 1>The mink stash up food there. They sort of holed

637
00:37:26.239 --> 00:37:30.880
<v Speaker 1>it away. And sometime, I mean I remember once back

638
00:37:30.920 --> 00:37:33.440
<v Speaker 1>in the old days, I was mink hunting up in

639
00:37:33.480 --> 00:37:38.599
<v Speaker 1>a tree is just founding this stack of this mink

640
00:37:38.599 --> 00:37:42.719
<v Speaker 1>had been absolutely devastating a trout farm, and going in

641
00:37:42.800 --> 00:37:45.960
<v Speaker 1>this tree, it was stacked one upon one upon one

642
00:37:46.039 --> 00:37:50.559
<v Speaker 1>upon one of a great big concertina of about a

643
00:37:50.800 --> 00:37:55.480
<v Speaker 1>pound weight trout or just stacked up where it had

644
00:37:55.519 --> 00:37:59.239
<v Speaker 1>taken them back to its its little den and had

645
00:37:59.280 --> 00:38:01.679
<v Speaker 1>stacked them up, which I assume they'd go back at

646
00:38:01.679 --> 00:38:03.679
<v Speaker 1>some point and go and eat them. But I mean,

647
00:38:03.679 --> 00:38:07.400
<v Speaker 1>they're ridiculously voracious things. And the wonderful thing about the

648
00:38:07.400 --> 00:38:10.960
<v Speaker 1>Eastern Counti's mink hunt is because what they do is

649
00:38:11.000 --> 00:38:14.599
<v Speaker 1>you've described, is they hunt within the law one hundred percent.

650
00:38:14.679 --> 00:38:17.559
<v Speaker 1>What the masters decided to do is rather than this

651
00:38:17.840 --> 00:38:21.920
<v Speaker 1>rather sad pastiche of sort of trail hunting, they said, okay,

652
00:38:22.000 --> 00:38:25.199
<v Speaker 1>so what can we do. We can use two dogs

653
00:38:25.280 --> 00:38:28.119
<v Speaker 1>and we've got to flush the quarry to a gun

654
00:38:28.199 --> 00:38:32.400
<v Speaker 1>that stays within the law. And they also looked at

655
00:38:32.400 --> 00:38:35.960
<v Speaker 1>its experienced mink hunters under the old way we used

656
00:38:35.960 --> 00:38:39.079
<v Speaker 1>to do it, they realized actually probably having a lot

657
00:38:39.079 --> 00:38:43.760
<v Speaker 1>of hounds on the water wasn't actually that effective in

658
00:38:43.920 --> 00:38:46.400
<v Speaker 1>killing mink, and they thought, well, what's our job. Well,

659
00:38:46.440 --> 00:38:49.880
<v Speaker 1>primarily is we've got to kill this bliming thing, which

660
00:38:50.320 --> 00:38:54.719
<v Speaker 1>is a voracious non native predator. And one of a

661
00:38:54.800 --> 00:38:57.960
<v Speaker 1>lot of the places where they hunt, they are bits

662
00:38:58.000 --> 00:39:01.880
<v Speaker 1>of water where they have I that there's no one

663
00:39:02.000 --> 00:39:06.679
<v Speaker 1>trapping mink because it's too close to habitation to put

664
00:39:07.000 --> 00:39:10.920
<v Speaker 1>a mink raft out to trap them, or it's a

665
00:39:10.960 --> 00:39:14.320
<v Speaker 1>place where mink are pretty savvy. If you don't catch

666
00:39:14.320 --> 00:39:16.920
<v Speaker 1>them first time they go nap, I ain't going to

667
00:39:16.960 --> 00:39:19.719
<v Speaker 1>go near that cage anymore. So you know, once bitten

668
00:39:19.760 --> 00:39:22.480
<v Speaker 1>twice ship if they get away, they so they're very,

669
00:39:22.559 --> 00:39:28.719
<v Speaker 1>very very effective. And because they're only using one mute

670
00:39:28.719 --> 00:39:32.880
<v Speaker 1>to beagle never never so much as speaks miles and

671
00:39:33.119 --> 00:39:38.559
<v Speaker 1>a labrador, it's pretty low impact. I mean, as it goes.

672
00:39:38.599 --> 00:39:41.559
<v Speaker 1>I mean I remember I wrote a piece about it,

673
00:39:42.280 --> 00:39:46.519
<v Speaker 1>and that when Twitter still had all the mouth breathers

674
00:39:46.559 --> 00:39:48.920
<v Speaker 1>still in there before they went off with Blue Sky,

675
00:39:49.239 --> 00:39:53.400
<v Speaker 1>who were going, oh yeah, but what about the disturbance. Okay, well, okay,

676
00:39:53.679 --> 00:39:56.639
<v Speaker 1>so you're the same lot who were talking about disturbance

677
00:39:56.679 --> 00:40:00.519
<v Speaker 1>who actually want free access for all to walk ways.

678
00:40:00.880 --> 00:40:03.800
<v Speaker 1>And if you're not wild swimming, then you're kayaking everywhere,

679
00:40:03.840 --> 00:40:07.000
<v Speaker 1>so go and get knotted. So they have this system

680
00:40:07.039 --> 00:40:09.440
<v Speaker 1>where they work down if.

681
00:40:09.239 --> 00:40:12.559
<v Speaker 4>There were probably no worse than a swan no.

682
00:40:14.159 --> 00:40:19.159
<v Speaker 1>Sleep. You got two people wading up the river two dogs. Now,

683
00:40:19.199 --> 00:40:24.000
<v Speaker 1>these dogs are obviously wholly just that they only hunt mink,

684
00:40:24.679 --> 00:40:28.400
<v Speaker 1>and if they are on a mink then they will

685
00:40:28.400 --> 00:40:32.199
<v Speaker 1>get it, usually invariably if there were otters on the water,

686
00:40:33.039 --> 00:40:35.760
<v Speaker 1>then you would either pass over that otter or if

687
00:40:35.800 --> 00:40:38.840
<v Speaker 1>it flushed in front of them, they go, okay, there's

688
00:40:38.840 --> 00:40:43.360
<v Speaker 1>an otter there. Pull these two dogs out and jobs

689
00:40:43.360 --> 00:40:46.880
<v Speaker 1>are good. And if they then flush this mink, then

690
00:40:47.159 --> 00:40:51.800
<v Speaker 1>the huntsman blows a little toot on his horn and

691
00:40:51.840 --> 00:40:53.440
<v Speaker 1>he gets his gun out of his slim and he

692
00:40:53.480 --> 00:40:55.920
<v Speaker 1>goes bang and shoots his mink dead. And they are

693
00:40:56.039 --> 00:40:59.719
<v Speaker 1>very very effective at it in places where usually it

694
00:40:59.760 --> 00:41:02.880
<v Speaker 1>would be incredibly difficult to kill mink. So there is

695
00:41:03.159 --> 00:41:05.320
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I would say, and if I was looking

696
00:41:05.320 --> 00:41:09.039
<v Speaker 1>at this completely dispassionately and I'm okay, cards on the table,

697
00:41:09.639 --> 00:41:14.039
<v Speaker 1>they're very kindly gave me the hunt tie. They liked

698
00:41:14.079 --> 00:41:17.039
<v Speaker 1>what I'd written about various things, and so they gave

699
00:41:17.039 --> 00:41:19.039
<v Speaker 1>me the hunt tie. So I would say, obviously they

700
00:41:19.039 --> 00:41:21.199
<v Speaker 1>are pals of mine. But if I looked at this

701
00:41:21.320 --> 00:41:27.840
<v Speaker 1>utterly dispassionately, I would say, it is without shadow of doubt,

702
00:41:28.000 --> 00:41:32.960
<v Speaker 1>the most effective form of mink control in the environments

703
00:41:33.000 --> 00:41:35.079
<v Speaker 1>where they are going that you could possibly have. And

704
00:41:35.199 --> 00:41:38.280
<v Speaker 1>one less mink is a good day at the office

705
00:41:38.280 --> 00:41:43.119
<v Speaker 1>for wildlife because they are a voracious predator and the

706
00:41:43.159 --> 00:41:45.880
<v Speaker 1>way that they do. It is within the law, but

707
00:41:46.039 --> 00:41:50.239
<v Speaker 1>the only downside is the outfits that they wear, and

708
00:41:50.440 --> 00:41:54.559
<v Speaker 1>that enrages people. Now, for me, that makes me laugh

709
00:41:54.639 --> 00:41:57.239
<v Speaker 1>like a drain, because basically, the only thing that you

710
00:41:57.360 --> 00:41:59.800
<v Speaker 1>hate is the fact that these chaps are wearing bowler

711
00:41:59.840 --> 00:42:05.800
<v Speaker 1>hats and bright waistcoats and ties and breeches and funny

712
00:42:05.800 --> 00:42:08.400
<v Speaker 1>colored socks, and that they're swimming around in rivers doing

713
00:42:08.400 --> 00:42:10.760
<v Speaker 1>this daft thing. That's the only thing you've actually hating

714
00:42:11.280 --> 00:42:14.639
<v Speaker 1>is that you're hating them. You're not hating the practice

715
00:42:14.679 --> 00:42:18.239
<v Speaker 1>that they're doing, which can only be good, can't.

716
00:42:18.239 --> 00:42:23.000
<v Speaker 3>It's It's funny, isn't it, because it I think it's

717
00:42:23.000 --> 00:42:29.679
<v Speaker 3>because of the emotional side of what fox hunting was

718
00:42:30.119 --> 00:42:33.360
<v Speaker 3>and what people think it is. And probably I don't know.

719
00:42:33.519 --> 00:42:36.159
<v Speaker 3>I wasn't really I wasn't around to see any of

720
00:42:36.199 --> 00:42:40.840
<v Speaker 3>this stuff. But I can imagine some fox hunting stuff was.

721
00:42:41.159 --> 00:42:44.719
<v Speaker 3>I mean, it got bad, so I can't imagine it

722
00:42:44.800 --> 00:42:49.039
<v Speaker 3>was very humane and all perfect practice a lot like

723
00:42:50.039 --> 00:42:54.280
<v Speaker 3>you know, some shooting isn't great practice. Big bird days

724
00:42:54.360 --> 00:42:57.880
<v Speaker 3>and things that happened, just some of it's terrible, and

725
00:42:59.360 --> 00:43:04.440
<v Speaker 3>there's I'm not pro fox hunting in any way, shape

726
00:43:04.519 --> 00:43:08.800
<v Speaker 3>or form. But when you it would be easy to

727
00:43:08.880 --> 00:43:14.719
<v Speaker 3>take that frame of mind apply it to those guys

728
00:43:14.960 --> 00:43:18.519
<v Speaker 3>and then go, oh, they're just blood thirsty. But actually

729
00:43:19.079 --> 00:43:25.360
<v Speaker 3>they're in that river they covered maybe every time I've been,

730
00:43:25.639 --> 00:43:30.920
<v Speaker 3>they've covered like two hundred yards before they've killed a mink.

731
00:43:31.440 --> 00:43:35.639
<v Speaker 3>Done something good for that for that little area. Yeah,

732
00:43:35.960 --> 00:43:38.960
<v Speaker 3>and this is this is a time where there's more

733
00:43:38.960 --> 00:43:43.119
<v Speaker 3>trapping of mink than ever and apparently we're getting on

734
00:43:43.159 --> 00:43:46.599
<v Speaker 3>top of them. But from the evidence that I see

735
00:43:47.000 --> 00:43:50.119
<v Speaker 3>in these little these little places that they go to,

736
00:43:51.960 --> 00:43:56.800
<v Speaker 3>there's still plenty of them. So taking a mink out

737
00:43:56.920 --> 00:43:59.480
<v Speaker 3>is a really good thing. There'll be more coot chicks,

738
00:43:59.519 --> 00:44:03.239
<v Speaker 3>there'll be more bird life, they'll be more crayfish, there'll

739
00:44:03.280 --> 00:44:08.519
<v Speaker 3>be more frog life. Everything will benefit from not having

740
00:44:08.559 --> 00:44:12.840
<v Speaker 3>an invasive species that is a apex predator and nothing

741
00:44:12.880 --> 00:44:13.800
<v Speaker 3>else gets them.

742
00:44:14.360 --> 00:44:16.880
<v Speaker 4>So it's really hard not.

743
00:44:16.920 --> 00:44:23.039
<v Speaker 3>To use the fox hunting framework to say their blood thirsty,

744
00:44:23.360 --> 00:44:25.840
<v Speaker 3>they dress up in silly outfits, they just want to

745
00:44:25.920 --> 00:44:29.559
<v Speaker 3>kill something, because that's absolutely not the case.

746
00:44:30.320 --> 00:44:30.840
<v Speaker 4>And it's.

747
00:44:32.400 --> 00:44:35.559
<v Speaker 3>It's not conflicting for me because I went to it

748
00:44:35.599 --> 00:44:39.039
<v Speaker 3>with an open mind, and it's I find it fascinating.

749
00:44:39.119 --> 00:44:41.679
<v Speaker 3>It's one of the reasons I still photograph shooting is

750
00:44:41.719 --> 00:44:47.559
<v Speaker 3>because I just find it so fascinating to question the

751
00:44:47.599 --> 00:44:51.639
<v Speaker 3>morality of all of it and to be with these

752
00:44:51.639 --> 00:44:55.440
<v Speaker 3>people and see what makes them tick and stuff. And yeah,

753
00:44:55.599 --> 00:45:02.719
<v Speaker 3>my verdict is I like them.

754
00:45:02.880 --> 00:45:07.320
<v Speaker 2>Prido where you at talk to me, I was listening

755
00:45:07.360 --> 00:45:08.920
<v Speaker 2>along to that. It was quite nice to be a

756
00:45:09.159 --> 00:45:12.320
<v Speaker 2>sort of an audience in my own podcast. So we

757
00:45:12.360 --> 00:45:14.400
<v Speaker 2>don't have anything like that over here. The only thing

758
00:45:14.400 --> 00:45:19.000
<v Speaker 2>we've got is still what is not sort of trail

759
00:45:19.079 --> 00:45:22.239
<v Speaker 2>hunting that's not or fox hunting that's trail you know,

760
00:45:22.280 --> 00:45:23.719
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I'm not sure what we're up to

761
00:45:23.800 --> 00:45:28.480
<v Speaker 2>with a local pack here. But this thing about dressing

762
00:45:28.519 --> 00:45:33.360
<v Speaker 2>up silly and things like that, it's all about I

763
00:45:33.400 --> 00:45:35.679
<v Speaker 2>think it's all about your your point of view and

764
00:45:35.719 --> 00:45:39.360
<v Speaker 2>how you view yourself first and then how you view

765
00:45:39.400 --> 00:45:44.519
<v Speaker 2>the people that you're either ridiculing, your criticizing or whatever.

766
00:45:44.719 --> 00:45:49.400
<v Speaker 2>So the if the the well what they called.

767
00:45:49.719 --> 00:45:51.639
<v Speaker 1>The mink Eastern Counties, mink.

768
00:45:52.119 --> 00:45:58.360
<v Speaker 2>Eastern Counties, mink mink hunts, mink hunt So if they

769
00:45:58.400 --> 00:46:03.320
<v Speaker 2>were wearing waders and fleeces and did everything else the same,

770
00:46:04.159 --> 00:46:07.639
<v Speaker 2>I don't think they would get much. It wouldn't be okay.

771
00:46:07.719 --> 00:46:09.639
<v Speaker 2>Then in terms of the anties and things like that,

772
00:46:09.639 --> 00:46:11.440
<v Speaker 2>people would still hate them. It's just that they'd have

773
00:46:11.440 --> 00:46:13.480
<v Speaker 2>a different they have to find a different attack vector.

774
00:46:13.840 --> 00:46:19.440
<v Speaker 2>There's something about traditional cultural dress which I don't think

775
00:46:19.480 --> 00:46:23.199
<v Speaker 2>we do very well in the UK because anything that

776
00:46:23.400 --> 00:46:26.760
<v Speaker 2>isn't the average of an urban population, it's now seen

777
00:46:26.800 --> 00:46:31.480
<v Speaker 2>as weird. You know, if you dress up in whereas

778
00:46:31.719 --> 00:46:35.199
<v Speaker 2>you can't invert that and say, God, have you seen

779
00:46:35.199 --> 00:46:37.559
<v Speaker 2>how those people in Brixton dress weird?

780
00:46:37.599 --> 00:46:41.760
<v Speaker 4>Isn't that? My friend said? Everybody dresses up for events.

781
00:46:41.400 --> 00:46:43.159
<v Speaker 3>Like you wouldn't go if you were going out on

782
00:46:43.199 --> 00:46:45.719
<v Speaker 3>a Friday night, you wouldn't. You wouldn't be wearing your

783
00:46:45.719 --> 00:46:47.920
<v Speaker 3>crocs in your sweatpants.

784
00:46:47.400 --> 00:46:47.760
<v Speaker 4>Would you.

785
00:46:48.239 --> 00:46:49.639
<v Speaker 2>Clearly you've never been on the town with me.

786
00:46:52.239 --> 00:46:54.079
<v Speaker 3>Genuinely, I knew I was going to be in waders,

787
00:46:54.119 --> 00:46:57.119
<v Speaker 3>so I turned up to the to the mink hunt

788
00:46:57.280 --> 00:47:04.519
<v Speaker 3>with my sports crocs on timeound.

789
00:47:02.639 --> 00:47:04.760
<v Speaker 1>Me with your with your little.

790
00:47:07.079 --> 00:47:12.079
<v Speaker 2>Exactly all right, let's drop in Richard's difficult political statement

791
00:47:12.159 --> 00:47:18.280
<v Speaker 2>of the week politically difficult statement of the week. What

792
00:47:18.360 --> 00:47:22.599
<v Speaker 2>if you were to go to somewhere in Africa, and

793
00:47:23.239 --> 00:47:26.519
<v Speaker 2>look at people there who are doing a hunt. It's

794
00:47:26.559 --> 00:47:29.159
<v Speaker 2>just sort of the indigenous people of somewhere doing a hunt,

795
00:47:29.800 --> 00:47:32.719
<v Speaker 2>managing their population of wildlife in the way they see fit,

796
00:47:33.280 --> 00:47:36.079
<v Speaker 2>and they chose to dress in a certain way. What

797
00:47:36.280 --> 00:47:40.599
<v Speaker 2>would be the standpoint where you could say, well, the

798
00:47:40.639 --> 00:47:43.599
<v Speaker 2>way they dress is terrible, or the way they dress

799
00:47:43.639 --> 00:47:45.599
<v Speaker 2>is weird or fuddy or whatever. Why are they dressing

800
00:47:45.679 --> 00:47:48.119
<v Speaker 2>like that to do this thing? Because you do see

801
00:47:48.119 --> 00:47:51.599
<v Speaker 2>that with indigenous where you've got indigenous cultures within a

802
00:47:51.679 --> 00:47:57.679
<v Speaker 2>country who overlap into the modern, often Western influenced, post

803
00:47:57.679 --> 00:48:00.039
<v Speaker 2>colonial world. So it might work in the city and

804
00:48:00.079 --> 00:48:04.599
<v Speaker 2>then come back to rural areas for traditional hunting at

805
00:48:04.599 --> 00:48:06.440
<v Speaker 2>different times, or come back to the family or whatever.

806
00:48:06.880 --> 00:48:09.360
<v Speaker 2>You see that in Australia and New Zealand as well,

807
00:48:10.039 --> 00:48:12.280
<v Speaker 2>and even in North America where've got First Nations and

808
00:48:12.320 --> 00:48:15.840
<v Speaker 2>Native Americans traditional there's different rules for hunting for Native

809
00:48:15.880 --> 00:48:18.880
<v Speaker 2>Americans in a lot in a lot of the US states,

810
00:48:19.480 --> 00:48:21.920
<v Speaker 2>like they can use lights and thermal optics and stuff

811
00:48:21.920 --> 00:48:25.679
<v Speaker 2>like that because they exist in subsistence hunting versus sort

812
00:48:25.719 --> 00:48:30.840
<v Speaker 2>of hunting for sports. So why do we not do

813
00:48:31.000 --> 00:48:34.280
<v Speaker 2>that in the UK? Why don't we say well, this

814
00:48:34.320 --> 00:48:37.840
<v Speaker 2>is an indigenous activity. Why do we you know? This?

815
00:48:37.920 --> 00:48:40.960
<v Speaker 2>Is this style address and trade can be traced backed

816
00:48:41.400 --> 00:48:44.760
<v Speaker 2>one hundred and fifty years, say you bowler hats and waistcoats,

817
00:48:45.559 --> 00:48:49.920
<v Speaker 2>So that would be an interesting defense to make, particularly

818
00:48:49.920 --> 00:48:52.119
<v Speaker 2>on lots of these things. Is is this and actually

819
00:48:52.199 --> 00:48:58.480
<v Speaker 2>an indigenous practice that is being undertaken by indigenous people.

820
00:48:58.559 --> 00:49:01.840
<v Speaker 2>It's just because we're often the colonizers and the indigenous

821
00:49:01.840 --> 00:49:04.679
<v Speaker 2>people at the same time, it loops back on itself.

822
00:49:04.840 --> 00:49:08.599
<v Speaker 1>Do you know. One of the interesting things when Patrick

823
00:49:08.639 --> 00:49:14.159
<v Speaker 1>Galbraith wrote his latest book, Uncommon Ground, one of the

824
00:49:14.199 --> 00:49:19.000
<v Speaker 1>things that the Right to Rome crew got most irate

825
00:49:19.119 --> 00:49:23.679
<v Speaker 1>about was because he highlighted a point that a master

826
00:49:23.840 --> 00:49:29.519
<v Speaker 1>of a pack of trail hounds in Surrey was winging

827
00:49:29.719 --> 00:49:35.719
<v Speaker 1>about the fact that these rich guys would leave London

828
00:49:36.599 --> 00:49:40.559
<v Speaker 1>and they would go and buy one hundred acre little

829
00:49:41.000 --> 00:49:43.199
<v Speaker 1>patch of heaven for them, you know, a nice house

830
00:49:43.199 --> 00:49:45.480
<v Speaker 1>and one hundred acre block that you had once upon

831
00:49:45.480 --> 00:49:47.639
<v Speaker 1>a time being a farm, and then they would not

832
00:49:47.840 --> 00:49:51.960
<v Speaker 1>let the hunt over their land anymore. And this master

833
00:49:52.199 --> 00:49:54.920
<v Speaker 1>was saying, you know, we are being excluded from the

834
00:49:55.000 --> 00:49:59.400
<v Speaker 1>land by these incomers. And Patrick was drawing the analogy

835
00:49:59.519 --> 00:50:03.559
<v Speaker 1>between how that this is happening to hunting to people

836
00:50:03.559 --> 00:50:07.360
<v Speaker 1>who go fox hunting, a traditional pastime in the UK.

837
00:50:08.800 --> 00:50:11.000
<v Speaker 1>And he was saying, well, what's the difference then, Right

838
00:50:11.039 --> 00:50:14.000
<v Speaker 1>to Rome gang, when you're saying someone goes and buys

839
00:50:14.039 --> 00:50:16.599
<v Speaker 1>an estate and says I'm not going to let you

840
00:50:16.679 --> 00:50:21.400
<v Speaker 1>walk over over my land. And they hated that with

841
00:50:21.480 --> 00:50:23.760
<v Speaker 1>a passion. And one of the things that I see

842
00:50:23.800 --> 00:50:26.760
<v Speaker 1>that I remember when I wrote a piece about the

843
00:50:26.800 --> 00:50:31.920
<v Speaker 1>Eastern Counties income for the Shooting Times and a lot

844
00:50:32.000 --> 00:50:34.719
<v Speaker 1>of the crew who would have been very pro the

845
00:50:34.840 --> 00:50:38.639
<v Speaker 1>Right to Rome movement, they had a real nickers in

846
00:50:38.679 --> 00:50:42.079
<v Speaker 1>a twist about what the guy's were wearing and about

847
00:50:42.119 --> 00:50:44.480
<v Speaker 1>what we were doing, and about how we were on

848
00:50:44.519 --> 00:50:47.800
<v Speaker 1>the river and disturbance and whatnot. And it was so

849
00:50:47.960 --> 00:50:50.880
<v Speaker 1>amusing because a we've already talked about the disturbance thing,

850
00:50:50.920 --> 00:50:53.880
<v Speaker 1>but also this is the same bunch Right to Rome

851
00:50:53.920 --> 00:50:57.519
<v Speaker 1>who when they went on their protest against Alexander Darnell,

852
00:50:57.639 --> 00:51:01.760
<v Speaker 1>that guy who's brought up Great Sway of Dartmoor and

853
00:51:01.840 --> 00:51:05.000
<v Speaker 1>said you can't come while camping on there anymore. Their

854
00:51:05.119 --> 00:51:09.360
<v Speaker 1>means of protest was that they dressed up in a

855
00:51:09.400 --> 00:51:13.239
<v Speaker 1>pastiche of what they said was traditional dressed, and they

856
00:51:15.159 --> 00:51:20.079
<v Speaker 1>had some effigy which they said was called this ancient spirit,

857
00:51:20.519 --> 00:51:24.519
<v Speaker 1>local spirit called Kruak or something like that. And we're

858
00:51:24.639 --> 00:51:28.639
<v Speaker 1>evoking the spirit of Kruak for the people of Dartmore.

859
00:51:29.159 --> 00:51:32.840
<v Speaker 1>And I thought, hold on a second, So you can

860
00:51:33.000 --> 00:51:37.559
<v Speaker 1>dress up like you're extras from Robin of Sherwood and

861
00:51:37.599 --> 00:51:40.440
<v Speaker 1>you think this is fine, But you're getting all your

862
00:51:40.480 --> 00:51:43.119
<v Speaker 1>nickers in a twist when some people want to go

863
00:51:43.199 --> 00:51:47.000
<v Speaker 1>and wear a uniform of a hunt that was formed

864
00:51:47.000 --> 00:51:51.039
<v Speaker 1>in I don't know, nineteen hundred or eighteen something or other. Well,

865
00:51:51.320 --> 00:51:54.159
<v Speaker 1>and that's all they're doing. They're wearing a historic uniform.

866
00:51:54.159 --> 00:51:58.039
<v Speaker 1>They are wearing the same uniform that the old Eastern

867
00:51:58.079 --> 00:52:01.960
<v Speaker 1>County's otter hounds you to wear back in the day.

868
00:52:02.519 --> 00:52:09.239
<v Speaker 1>And so I think it highlights the perfect oxymoronic, two

869
00:52:09.280 --> 00:52:13.320
<v Speaker 1>faced nonsense that so many of these people who like

870
00:52:13.400 --> 00:52:16.400
<v Speaker 1>to kick up their heels about hunting and shooting and

871
00:52:16.519 --> 00:52:18.599
<v Speaker 1>all they've got to wear all work for. Do you

872
00:52:18.599 --> 00:52:21.719
<v Speaker 1>know that doesn't matter? That really doesn't matter to me.

873
00:52:21.960 --> 00:52:25.320
<v Speaker 1>I can honestly say the Eastern Counties mink hunt do

874
00:52:25.440 --> 00:52:28.119
<v Speaker 1>everything for the right reasons. The fact that they want

875
00:52:28.119 --> 00:52:31.519
<v Speaker 1>to dress like peacocks and have a big blowout in

876
00:52:31.599 --> 00:52:36.559
<v Speaker 1>a sort of Edwardian high tea. Well that hardly makes

877
00:52:36.559 --> 00:52:40.079
<v Speaker 1>some bloody pole pots, does it. So I mean, yeah,

878
00:52:40.159 --> 00:52:42.960
<v Speaker 1>well done them, And I'm proud to wear their tie.

879
00:52:43.239 --> 00:52:45.440
<v Speaker 1>And I have to say I do wear the Eastern

880
00:52:45.480 --> 00:52:49.280
<v Speaker 1>Counties Mink Hunt tie on occasions when I have to

881
00:52:49.360 --> 00:52:51.840
<v Speaker 1>dress up a bit smart, and I know that there

882
00:52:51.840 --> 00:52:54.119
<v Speaker 1>are going to be oursholes in the room and are

883
00:52:54.159 --> 00:52:58.000
<v Speaker 1>thinking they don't know what this tie is unwearing, but

884
00:52:58.159 --> 00:53:02.360
<v Speaker 1>I do. And it's tie version of sticking a middle

885
00:53:02.440 --> 00:53:05.360
<v Speaker 1>finger up. If ties could talk, it would be a

886
00:53:05.440 --> 00:53:06.000
<v Speaker 1>rude one.

887
00:53:07.760 --> 00:53:13.159
<v Speaker 2>It's a semi aquatic Masons then, yes, exactly right. Okay, callum,

888
00:53:13.199 --> 00:53:20.760
<v Speaker 2>what's your favorite tree? I'm just moving forward. I'm just

889
00:53:20.760 --> 00:53:23.519
<v Speaker 2>trying to get grind ahead. And you have the episode

890
00:53:23.519 --> 00:53:26.880
<v Speaker 2>plan he enacted somehow in real life.

891
00:53:27.000 --> 00:53:30.159
<v Speaker 1>Five minutes to talk about our favorite tree?

892
00:53:31.320 --> 00:53:32.480
<v Speaker 2>Hazel, go right?

893
00:53:33.760 --> 00:53:34.760
<v Speaker 4>Is it quick fire around?

894
00:53:35.199 --> 00:53:35.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

895
00:53:35.519 --> 00:53:38.119
<v Speaker 4>Go okay, Richard, what's your favorite tree? A?

896
00:53:38.719 --> 00:53:43.360
<v Speaker 1>Is it oak? And oak in particular? I'll tell you

897
00:53:43.360 --> 00:53:46.800
<v Speaker 1>what we haven't got. I have can't tell you about

898
00:53:46.840 --> 00:53:50.840
<v Speaker 1>it because very very briefly, because my favorite trees are

899
00:53:51.000 --> 00:53:52.440
<v Speaker 1>oaks at.

900
00:53:52.360 --> 00:53:53.880
<v Speaker 3>West You can't pick more than one.

901
00:53:54.679 --> 00:53:57.280
<v Speaker 1>It's the same species, but it just happens to be

902
00:53:57.360 --> 00:53:59.679
<v Speaker 1>at Westall and they're the old bang hang on which

903
00:53:59.719 --> 00:54:01.920
<v Speaker 1>which and of oak are we talking about here? Proper

904
00:54:01.920 --> 00:54:10.079
<v Speaker 1>good English oaks? None coming over here? Take now, Canapees No,

905
00:54:10.360 --> 00:54:17.199
<v Speaker 1>the English oaks at Westhorpe Hall originally was Westhorpe is

906
00:54:17.239 --> 00:54:22.039
<v Speaker 1>the next village to me in mid Suffolk. It's now

907
00:54:22.119 --> 00:54:26.920
<v Speaker 1>the home of the Barkers who farm there, and they've

908
00:54:26.920 --> 00:54:30.320
<v Speaker 1>got these fantastic old oaks which were I would have

909
00:54:30.360 --> 00:54:34.719
<v Speaker 1>thought probably pre when actually the hall was built, but

910
00:54:34.800 --> 00:54:39.239
<v Speaker 1>it was the home of Charles Brandon, Duke of Suffolk.

911
00:54:39.719 --> 00:54:43.559
<v Speaker 1>He married Mary Tudor, who was Henry the Yight's sister.

912
00:54:44.280 --> 00:54:48.199
<v Speaker 1>And these boundary marker oaks are all still there and

913
00:54:48.360 --> 00:54:51.800
<v Speaker 1>they mark where the old rides used to be of

914
00:54:51.840 --> 00:54:58.280
<v Speaker 1>when it was a deer park, so that Charles Brandon

915
00:54:58.559 --> 00:55:01.440
<v Speaker 1>and Mary Tudor, the former Queen of France, used to

916
00:55:01.480 --> 00:55:05.199
<v Speaker 1>go hunting deer. And there are oaks still there that

917
00:55:05.519 --> 00:55:09.920
<v Speaker 1>marked where each keeper had their beat, and they're still there.

918
00:55:10.000 --> 00:55:13.480
<v Speaker 1>They're all gnarl they're all wonderful. They're ancient and I

919
00:55:13.519 --> 00:55:17.119
<v Speaker 1>think every time I walk underneath them, I think, my god,

920
00:55:17.440 --> 00:55:20.599
<v Speaker 1>I am laying aheage, or I'm walking underneath my dogs

921
00:55:20.800 --> 00:55:24.840
<v Speaker 1>under a tree where Mary Tudor, former Queen of France

922
00:55:26.039 --> 00:55:30.760
<v Speaker 1>once walks to history. Beneath my feet and over my head,

923
00:55:31.000 --> 00:55:36.480
<v Speaker 1>there might ask my favorite tree.

924
00:55:36.599 --> 00:55:39.440
<v Speaker 3>Now, now you've given me a favorite tree like that,

925
00:55:40.880 --> 00:55:44.159
<v Speaker 3>I've just written something down that I thought was really interesting.

926
00:55:44.639 --> 00:55:47.119
<v Speaker 4>But now do you say it?

927
00:55:47.159 --> 00:55:50.119
<v Speaker 3>There's actually there's a tree that I go past when

928
00:55:50.119 --> 00:55:53.119
<v Speaker 3>I walk the dog every single day, And at first

929
00:55:53.119 --> 00:55:57.000
<v Speaker 3>I just thought it was a tree, and then I

930
00:55:57.079 --> 00:56:03.519
<v Speaker 3>noticed that it's actually two trees that have grown together perfectly,

931
00:56:04.519 --> 00:56:07.760
<v Speaker 3>and it is an oak I've grown together perfectly to

932
00:56:07.880 --> 00:56:13.199
<v Speaker 3>form like a single tree. And every time I look

933
00:56:13.239 --> 00:56:16.599
<v Speaker 3>at it, I just sort of think, isn't that remarkable

934
00:56:16.679 --> 00:56:21.079
<v Speaker 3>that they didn't split off? They just grew into one

935
00:56:22.119 --> 00:56:25.159
<v Speaker 3>one what looks like a tree, but with two trunks,

936
00:56:25.280 --> 00:56:28.800
<v Speaker 3>And it's just really cool thing to look at. And

937
00:56:29.880 --> 00:56:33.119
<v Speaker 3>often the sun rises and sets behind it, depending on

938
00:56:33.679 --> 00:56:35.360
<v Speaker 3>which way you walk, and I look at that and

939
00:56:35.400 --> 00:56:36.639
<v Speaker 3>I think that nice.

940
00:56:37.360 --> 00:56:40.440
<v Speaker 4>Two trees just growing together. One's taken the left side,

941
00:56:40.440 --> 00:56:44.960
<v Speaker 4>one's taken the right side. No arguments there, And yeah,

942
00:56:45.079 --> 00:56:47.920
<v Speaker 4>it's an absolutely beaute. I'm going to take a picture

943
00:56:47.960 --> 00:56:51.639
<v Speaker 4>of it. I'll put it in the in the Patreon chat,

944
00:56:52.440 --> 00:56:55.400
<v Speaker 4>which you can get access to if you go to

945
00:56:55.719 --> 00:56:59.559
<v Speaker 4>ww dot country slide dot cod at uk slash.

946
00:57:00.480 --> 00:57:02.920
<v Speaker 2>He's doing his own and Reid now, wasn't that.

947
00:57:03.000 --> 00:57:08.840
<v Speaker 3>Brilliant But just three pounds a month one day, Richard

948
00:57:08.880 --> 00:57:14.199
<v Speaker 3>Nigas can get proper internet and Richard pretty cant.

949
00:57:14.679 --> 00:57:16.440
<v Speaker 4>What do you want turkey teeth.

950
00:57:17.039 --> 00:57:21.400
<v Speaker 1>Heating the top.

951
00:57:22.280 --> 00:57:34.960
<v Speaker 3>He can get a monoculture on his head.

952
00:57:30.800 --> 00:57:34.280
<v Speaker 4>The non monoculture for your hair transplant.

953
00:57:34.559 --> 00:57:38.760
<v Speaker 2>Just in case, I'm going to ignore Callum and just

954
00:57:38.800 --> 00:57:42.960
<v Speaker 2>listen to Richard. My favorite tree is a black poplar.

955
00:57:43.239 --> 00:57:45.280
<v Speaker 2>It's one particular one. So it's it's on the edge

956
00:57:45.280 --> 00:57:48.960
<v Speaker 2>of a woodland that we manage. And we've been to

957
00:57:49.000 --> 00:57:51.760
<v Speaker 2>look at the woodland before the owners bought it, and

958
00:57:53.000 --> 00:57:54.360
<v Speaker 2>they asked us to go and have a look at

959
00:57:54.400 --> 00:57:57.360
<v Speaker 2>this one place and it was this particularly boggy bit

960
00:57:57.400 --> 00:57:59.920
<v Speaker 2>of wet woodland about nine acres and there's a man

961
00:58:00.039 --> 00:58:02.679
<v Speaker 2>acre of meadow and we it was one of those

962
00:58:02.719 --> 00:58:06.480
<v Speaker 2>ones that goes up on woodlands for sale and the

963
00:58:06.480 --> 00:58:08.760
<v Speaker 2>the you know, and there were lots of people looking

964
00:58:08.800 --> 00:58:10.639
<v Speaker 2>around the wood at the same on the same day,

965
00:58:10.679 --> 00:58:12.079
<v Speaker 2>because I think you had about three days to look

966
00:58:12.079 --> 00:58:15.320
<v Speaker 2>at it before you put your bid in. And well

967
00:58:15.360 --> 00:58:17.159
<v Speaker 2>when we went around, I just spent the whole time

968
00:58:17.440 --> 00:58:19.079
<v Speaker 2>going up to the other people in the wood and

969
00:58:19.199 --> 00:58:21.000
<v Speaker 2>was going court BlimE, Yeah, you can see where the

970
00:58:21.000 --> 00:58:23.000
<v Speaker 2>floodwater has come up to here. Oh yeah, you know,

971
00:58:23.559 --> 00:58:25.199
<v Speaker 2>And they're said, is is it a bit damp or

972
00:58:25.199 --> 00:58:27.880
<v Speaker 2>you're obviously not a local. No, no floodwaters. Basically it's

973
00:58:27.920 --> 00:58:31.760
<v Speaker 2>tidal this woodland. But actually it wasn't. It just needed

974
00:58:31.760 --> 00:58:35.519
<v Speaker 2>a bit of drainage work. So we didn't notice during

975
00:58:35.559 --> 00:58:37.400
<v Speaker 2>any of that until they bought it and they were

976
00:58:37.400 --> 00:58:40.639
<v Speaker 2>actually looking around the boundaries properly. That buried in the

977
00:58:40.679 --> 00:58:45.519
<v Speaker 2>hedge on the roadside is this huge black poplar male

978
00:58:45.639 --> 00:58:50.840
<v Speaker 2>or female. So this is a male that put a

979
00:58:50.840 --> 00:58:53.760
<v Speaker 2>pin in that we're coming back to that. This the

980
00:58:53.800 --> 00:58:57.880
<v Speaker 2>trunk is about seven eight feet in diameter, and not

981
00:58:57.960 --> 00:59:01.119
<v Speaker 2>exaggerating is that there's a long walk around it. It's

982
00:59:01.199 --> 00:59:03.519
<v Speaker 2>not that tall. The top is obviously snapped out in

983
00:59:03.519 --> 00:59:06.440
<v Speaker 2>a storm at some point, but the bottom is huge.

984
00:59:06.960 --> 00:59:09.119
<v Speaker 2>It's a really really chonky tree. So we laid the

985
00:59:09.119 --> 00:59:11.280
<v Speaker 2>hedge in front of it, and now it's getting good

986
00:59:11.400 --> 00:59:13.440
<v Speaker 2>light on it. It's got all this epicormic growth, all

987
00:59:13.440 --> 00:59:15.280
<v Speaker 2>this sort of fresh shoots coming out the side of

988
00:59:15.320 --> 00:59:17.800
<v Speaker 2>it on the sunwood side, but you can see all

989
00:59:17.840 --> 00:59:20.880
<v Speaker 2>the scars of life on it, so it's got all that.

990
00:59:20.920 --> 00:59:23.000
<v Speaker 2>You can see a mark where ivy has been growing

991
00:59:23.079 --> 00:59:25.440
<v Speaker 2>up on it and then pulled off because the bark's

992
00:59:25.480 --> 00:59:28.079
<v Speaker 2>a different shape. You can see where a few branches

993
00:59:28.119 --> 00:59:30.840
<v Speaker 2>overhanging the road have been knocked off, probably by sort

994
00:59:30.880 --> 00:59:33.280
<v Speaker 2>of tractors or big wagons in the middle of the

995
00:59:33.320 --> 00:59:38.039
<v Speaker 2>twentieth century. And this this tree, I mean, when it's

996
00:59:38.119 --> 00:59:40.280
<v Speaker 2>inevitably going to come down at some point, and if

997
00:59:40.320 --> 00:59:42.559
<v Speaker 2>it's within my lifetime, I'm going to love to find

998
00:59:42.559 --> 00:59:46.320
<v Speaker 2>out how old it is. Because the up just up

999
00:59:46.320 --> 00:59:48.239
<v Speaker 2>the road from it is this ancient bridge as well,

1000
00:59:48.239 --> 00:59:50.519
<v Speaker 2>and I'm working out was the bridge built first, and

1001
00:59:50.639 --> 00:59:53.440
<v Speaker 2>was was the was the popular tree there when the

1002
00:59:53.440 --> 00:59:58.159
<v Speaker 2>bridge was built. And this has sort of led to

1003
00:59:58.239 --> 01:00:01.320
<v Speaker 2>this wide discussion now of many other black poplars are

1004
01:00:01.320 --> 01:00:04.400
<v Speaker 2>in the valley because when we had the big storms

1005
01:00:04.400 --> 01:00:06.679
<v Speaker 2>this winter, a couple of the farmers got in touch

1006
01:00:06.719 --> 01:00:08.360
<v Speaker 2>and said, oh, yeah, we've got this black poplar, can

1007
01:00:08.360 --> 01:00:09.920
<v Speaker 2>you come and deal with that? And they find out

1008
01:00:10.000 --> 01:00:12.719
<v Speaker 2>this huge black poplar in the field that no one

1009
01:00:12.920 --> 01:00:14.679
<v Speaker 2>ever goes to because it's in a bit of a

1010
01:00:14.679 --> 01:00:17.199
<v Speaker 2>boggy land, so there's no footpaths, no one goes past it.

1011
01:00:17.559 --> 01:00:19.920
<v Speaker 2>There's another ancient poplar that's fallen down, and there's another

1012
01:00:19.960 --> 01:00:22.039
<v Speaker 2>one three fields away in another one, and it turns

1013
01:00:22.039 --> 01:00:23.920
<v Speaker 2>out we're a bit of a hotbed for black poplars.

1014
01:00:24.000 --> 01:00:28.320
<v Speaker 2>The problem is that they're all male. So we got

1015
01:00:28.360 --> 01:00:33.199
<v Speaker 2>in touch with the county Biodiversity officer earlier this year

1016
01:00:33.280 --> 01:00:37.760
<v Speaker 2>and he has been experimenting on his secret tree nursery,

1017
01:00:37.920 --> 01:00:40.199
<v Speaker 2>or is now a public one, but the secret tree

1018
01:00:40.280 --> 01:00:42.679
<v Speaker 2>nursery had he had as a project. He was hand

1019
01:00:42.840 --> 01:00:47.199
<v Speaker 2>pollinating black poplars using the flowers he'd got from one,

1020
01:00:47.280 --> 01:00:50.360
<v Speaker 2>and then was sending them off for genetic purity testing

1021
01:00:50.400 --> 01:00:52.719
<v Speaker 2>to find out that they were they were pure black poplars,

1022
01:00:52.800 --> 01:00:56.800
<v Speaker 2>not hybrids. And now we will have on the edge

1023
01:00:56.800 --> 01:00:58.920
<v Speaker 2>of that woodland, we'll have a female black poplar that

1024
01:00:58.960 --> 01:01:00.719
<v Speaker 2>we have possession of now and that's going to get

1025
01:01:01.239 --> 01:01:03.400
<v Speaker 2>planted out after the winter. Want to make sure that

1026
01:01:03.480 --> 01:01:05.360
<v Speaker 2>it's not going to flood and there's no more stupid

1027
01:01:05.360 --> 01:01:07.079
<v Speaker 2>frosts or anything. So right at the end of the

1028
01:01:07.119 --> 01:01:11.239
<v Speaker 2>winter that's going in, but we will hopefully have a

1029
01:01:11.280 --> 01:01:14.679
<v Speaker 2>female black poplar slowly coming up alongside the male, so

1030
01:01:15.480 --> 01:01:18.280
<v Speaker 2>we're sort of restoring what was there. But I just

1031
01:01:18.360 --> 01:01:20.519
<v Speaker 2>love a bit like yours. I love of the idea

1032
01:01:20.519 --> 01:01:24.239
<v Speaker 2>of this tree has seen so much in this one place,

1033
01:01:24.440 --> 01:01:26.719
<v Speaker 2>you know, and it's just the I think that's why

1034
01:01:26.719 --> 01:01:30.360
<v Speaker 2>I love trees, because they are sentinel. Like it's like

1035
01:01:30.440 --> 01:01:34.039
<v Speaker 2>looking at an ancient building, but it's living and growing,

1036
01:01:34.039 --> 01:01:37.360
<v Speaker 2>and it's a building that's changing every year and doing

1037
01:01:37.360 --> 01:01:40.199
<v Speaker 2>its own thing. And you can help it just by

1038
01:01:40.880 --> 01:01:44.159
<v Speaker 2>clearing the canopy around it or not trampling on it

1039
01:01:44.199 --> 01:01:46.639
<v Speaker 2>and not nailing fences to it and things like that.

1040
01:01:48.840 --> 01:01:53.039
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you just you just got to love the the

1041
01:01:53.280 --> 01:01:57.440
<v Speaker 3>old the old trees. And when you sit there and think,

1042
01:01:57.800 --> 01:02:01.360
<v Speaker 3>you know something, it's like like five six hundred years

1043
01:02:01.400 --> 01:02:04.360
<v Speaker 3>old and stuff. You look at these things and you think,

1044
01:02:04.400 --> 01:02:11.239
<v Speaker 3>well that what was history like then? Like some of

1045
01:02:11.280 --> 01:02:14.400
<v Speaker 3>this stuff was not even here, Like this whole landscape

1046
01:02:14.440 --> 01:02:17.719
<v Speaker 3>looked completely different, and it's just stood there in the

1047
01:02:17.760 --> 01:02:21.159
<v Speaker 3>same place and everything around it has changed, and it's

1048
01:02:21.239 --> 01:02:22.840
<v Speaker 3>just yeah, it's amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, there's there's one not there's one in the Comedy Valley,

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<v Speaker 2>the Hangurnu You, which is thought to be between like

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<v Speaker 2>four and five thousand years old.

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<v Speaker 3>I cannot recommend it enough. Go to a Burly house

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<v Speaker 3>and do the ancient tree walk. There's trees outside there

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<v Speaker 3>where they tried to bomb Burley House but they missed

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<v Speaker 3>and they hit they hit a couple of top of

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<v Speaker 3>the trees I think, and they're still shrapped from the

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<v Speaker 3>bomb that missed.

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<v Speaker 4>In the trunk of the tree.

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<v Speaker 3>There's also a tree outside that was granted by a

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<v Speaker 3>variety of queens and even a king, and you can

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<v Speaker 3>see those trees.

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<v Speaker 1>I think.

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<v Speaker 2>King Edwards one Calonder's history.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I do in tree history on the fly.

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<v Speaker 3>And they've also got so there's a guy called Peter

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<v Speaker 3>Glassie who is a chair of the Ancient Ancient Woodland

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<v Speaker 3>Society or Ancient Tree Society, Ancient Tree Society, I believe,

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<v Speaker 3>and he he's an absolute legend, and he'll show you

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<v Speaker 3>all these cool trees and you go around and you

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<v Speaker 3>have a look at all these different bits and it

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<v Speaker 3>is fascinating.

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<v Speaker 4>Worth a trip out.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, this has given me an idea for the after show,

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<v Speaker 2>So I think we'll drift off and go and talk

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<v Speaker 2>about that, which you'll be able to access if you're

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<v Speaker 2>not a patron by going to country Slide dot co

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<v Speaker 2>dot UK, forward slash Support, and you're going to hear

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<v Speaker 2>the other sort of politically difficult things I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>say over there, because it's not the sort of thing

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<v Speaker 2>we want out there in public. You know, this is

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<v Speaker 2>sort of drawing room talk. Everyone else has gone to

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<v Speaker 2>bed and there's just three of you sat by the

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<v Speaker 2>fire smoking cigars. That's that's basically what we're getting next.

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<v Speaker 1>Right bye everyone, Thank you, Bye,