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Speaker 1: Yes. Indeed, we are off of a weekend that has

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seen a dramatic KO win by Brandon Figueroa to capture

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the WBA featherweight title in the final round in Liverpool,

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England over Nick Mall.

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Speaker 2: We're ready to recap.

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Speaker 1: That a very entertaining WBO Bantamweight Championship fight Friday night

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in Mexico saw Christian Medina victorious. We have that we

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have a massive lawsuit from Floyd Mayweather money May is

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he not as much money May Now?

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Speaker 2: Apparently we're gonna.

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Speaker 1: Talk about it here on the Fight Freaking Night recap podcast.

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I am the somewhat competent host TJ.

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Speaker 2: Reeves.

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Speaker 1: Rayfield was actually smiling at my not enough money may

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or somewhat money May. Hello, Dan Rayfield of the Fight

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Freaking Night substack and newsletter. How you feeling us as

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we embark on another week coming.

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Speaker 3: Up here Superball Sunday, Davy.

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Speaker 1: As we tape this, it is and we should mention

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to the audience you and I are doing this before

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the program before the uh we're doing the program here

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before the super Bowl gets underway, so we don't know

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the outcome. We will talk a little fun super Bowl

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stuff in a bit, you were saying to me before

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I press the record button. Though missus Rayfield and young

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Rayfeel are on the way back from Minnesota and you're

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at home. I am headed actually in a little while

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to my sisters. I mentioned this on the preview pod

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to watch the Super Bowl. Eats have not been resolved

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even as we press record to do this, because she's

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Speaker 3: Take this into your own I am going, yes.

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Speaker 1: Not okay, not unlike Brandon Figueroa. We ain't living this

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leaving this to the judges.

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Speaker 3: I am.

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Speaker 1: I am going to take matters into my own hands.

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And by God, we're gonna get some sliders, little hamburgers.

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that because I am not doing Super Bowl Sunday night

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later tonight with rabbit food and crackers.

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Speaker 3: That is why.

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Speaker 1: And you've got to get some wings. But everybody on

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God's Green Earth in North America is trying to get

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wings on Super Bowl Sunday. Anyway, Thank you for finding

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us on the podcast, outlet, applespreakers, Spotify. More on the

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Super Bowl a little later for the Patriots and the

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Seahawks all the way out in California. But we got

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to talk boxing boxing first, and we do that previewing

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going into the weekend recapping coming off that. We can

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find the YouTube page as well, lots of nostalgia there

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as well as some different unique content. We occasionally, not

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that regularly right now, do live preview stuff, live recap

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stuff the night of the fights.

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Speaker 2: Go to the Big Fight Weekend YouTube.

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Speaker 1: Page and make sure you are subscribed up there and

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you get the notifications when we're going to go live

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on YouTube, and you see the pictures.

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Speaker 2: So I have made mention of it.

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Speaker 1: It is not that often that we see this, but

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it was a dramatic twelfth round KO for Brandon Figueroa,

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and I will say as the fight wore on in

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the last couple of rounds, you could kind of see

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Speaker 2: At least I felt that way.

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Speaker 1: Nick Ball wearing down, you pointed out the broadcast pointed out,

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is that nose broken, He's having trouble breathing. Figaroa's corner

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the dynamite in the twelfth round. All right, there are

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my thoughts. What are your thoughts as Figaroa regains a

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world title at Featherway.

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Speaker 3: First of all, really good fight. I mean, I think

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we all expected when this fight was made that this

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would be entertaining. It was a mandatory fight. Brandon Figueroa

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had become the mandatory, although he didn't look good in

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that fight where he got the mandatory. If you go

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at the fight. I was very unimpressed with Brandon's performance

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against Joet Gonzalez. A lot of people thought that were

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in the media section, that Joette had done enough to

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win the fight. I remember after the fight talking to

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down like because Joe had had been in so many opportunities,

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fourth shot because we thought we won that fight and

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hard to argue. So you know, Brandon he got I

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he emerges with the victory and that sets him up

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for this mandatory fight. But he had never fought outside

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the United States before, so he took his game on

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the road. Not only on the road, but two nick

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balls hometown to the arena that is literally like a

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walking distance from his where he lives his house, uh,

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you know, down the street basically. Uh. And so that's

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a tough environment to box in, especially when you have

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such a popular local hometown guy defending a title where

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he's fought you know, uh in previous defenses as well.

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I mean, he just has that kind of personality, you know,

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and get to work, you know, bring bring a lunch pedal,

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because it's gonna be a tough night. And if it

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was a really good fight. Now, as I'm watching it

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doing just enough to win many of those early rounds

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like he took a little break. He might have been

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a little gassed. They were making the conjecture on the broadcast,

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which I sort of agreed with, that the nose, which

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he's had been broken before, that was giving him some

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trouble in terms of breathing. You know, it was bleeding.

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right way, it's going to compound your issues. So that

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could have been the reason for the little bit of

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the slow down. Meanwhile, Brandan Figueroa is just like you know,

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a relentless machine. He was just throwing and throwing and

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throwing and throwing. Now not everything was landing, but it's

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all in your face, and it's obviously forcing your opponent,

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in this case, Nick Ball to have to think a

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lot because there's so much pressure on him to deal with. Now,

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lot of those shots on Brandon figure out, and so

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a minute, which will show you just how tough it was,

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even though as you mentioned, okay, he's slowing down Nick

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ball a little bit. Finally, I want to say, maybe

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like round nine, I feel like he really a figure

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out that kind of kind of took control of the

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fight and he's starting to now either draw even or

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fight's on the table. But he's the guy that's finishing stronger,

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because Nick had done a great job in the first

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half of the fight, but Brandon is is really coming

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up on here. He was not damaged the way that

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his energy about him, and you know, on and on

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and went, and finally they get to the tenth round

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and at that point, I'm thinking to myself as I'm

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watching Nick then he just looks exhausted, like he's fighting

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a good fight, but he's just so tired. Yes, and uh,

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Speaker 2: Especially in the eleventh round.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, get couple of rounds. Those late rounds, he

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was just getting out punched. So at that point, okay,

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it's like figure out as now on my card has

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now jumped into the lead by a round, and you know,

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if everything works out in the twelfth round and he

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wins it, he'll win the fight. Or maybe Nick Baal

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can uh you know, because it was so close, maybe

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he'll be around ahead, maybe he'll be a draw because

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at that point there hadn't been knockdowns. And then, you know,

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all that was rendered irrelevant because like half a minute

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into the final round, Brandon Figureau, as they're in an exchange,

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just lands a spectacular, massive sweeping left hook right on

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fight was frankly over when he hit the mat to

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Nick BOSSKREDI he's a warrior. He got off. He was

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in rough shape, but you knew at that point with

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such a heavy knockdown and so much time left in

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the round, still two and a half minutes to go,

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Speaker 1: Can I tell you this because we talked about it

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coming off of last weekend, I knew who the referee was,

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and that's the same.

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Speaker 2: Guy that was the judge.

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Speaker 1: And I'm onto the back room fight your guy, Steve Gray,

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say they're gonna give him a chance to finish. He

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is the champion, that's the announcer, cheerleading. But clearly that

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was Gray's mentality. He said, walk to me. He did,

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he said, put the hands up, and Graven stood there

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for like an extra second or two, and I'm like,

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he's in my own hand. I'm going he's given him

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extra time here, an extra second or two and Ball

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put the arms up like I can still continue. And

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then came the onslaught that ended it. And I was

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really concerned that, Steve. I'm just telling you, in real

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time watching it, I was concerned that Gray was not

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going to get in there before Nick Ball got seriously hurt.

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Speaker 3: Well, I thought that giving him the chance to continue

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was perfectly fine. I'm not listened. I can bitch and

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moan about Steve Gray shitty scorecards from the backroom fight,

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but generally speaking, I think he does a good job

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as a referee, and so I thought he handled it well.

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I thought, you know the guy, and I would think

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he would have done the same thing if it was

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figured out. If he got knocked down, I want a

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knocked down.

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Speaker 1: Yet I'm not so. I'm not so sure he'd given

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him the extra second or two to clear his head.

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I fell the other fighter in when it's to the

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American fighting in Liverpool.

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Speaker 3: I don't feeling was the way that he handled the

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knockdown was fine. Now the fight resumes, and a lot

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of times when you suffer a heavy knockdown that it's

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gonna the guy's gonna jump on you and it's gonna

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be over. And that's sort of the textbook of what happened.

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Ball was up but not totally solid, like he was

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a little shaky, and Brandon Figuerreau went right to him,

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launched about eight or nine or ten punches, put him

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into the ropes and then Nick fell in between bottom

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rope in the second rope, and you know kind of

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like his hands and his torso were out of the

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ring on the ring apron and his legs are on

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the ring mat. I mean, it was somewhat highlight reeal

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stops the fight, and it was such a big win,

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you know, Brandon and his team. You know, it reminded

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me of like the end of one of the Rocky

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movies when they're celebrating, because listen, that's a huge and

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he's winning at that point, correct.

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Speaker 1: And it's a twelve round top ton Adam Smith was

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right on it with saying, this is Manny Roebliss again,

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who was with Andy Ruiz. And it's the same type

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celebration jumping up and down in the middle of the

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ring with a stunned arena. Because Madison Square Garden, you

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were there that night, was stunned while they're jumping up

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and down in the arena. Same thing in the Liverpool arena,

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they're stunned. They're silent while they're jumping up and down.

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Speaker 3: Right, that's because in Madison Square Garden at the Anthony

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Joshua fight. Even though we were in New York City,

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most of the crowd was British. Listen, many Robis is

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a heck of a trainer. I mean, he's kind of

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been underrated for a long time, but he's got a

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lot of big wins through his through his day, and

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so that was you know, first of all. I had

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to even commented when I was sort of doing round

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by round on my social media that when they got

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to maybe like the tenth or eleventh round where you

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kind of could feel figure Out starting to take over

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and Nick sort of start a fade, that the crowd

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in the arena, which was all for Nick Ball, was

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basically silent, like you could hear pintrop. It was just

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not craziness as they as it normally would have been.

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see a knockout victory in round twelve on the road

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by the underdog, I mean, we were not that far.

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a fighter that is trailing on the scorecards in round

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twelve scoring a knockout to win a world title. It's

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only happened fourteen times in the history of boxing. I

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thought this might be one of them. But that was

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until we saw the scorecards. And shockingly, although fairly in

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my opinion, you had nick Ball was trailing on two

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of the cards and it had on one. So Brandon

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figure out, despite the underdog and being on the road,

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the judges actually had him had one oh six to

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one oh three on the two score cards going into

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the round, and nick Ball was a head one oh

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seven to one oh two on the third card. Now

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a lot of people will think, how could you have

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but also a five point lead. It's one thing

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of nick Ball's winning right, and so then one oh

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seven one oh two in that moment means that it's

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gonna be one seventeen one twelve for the winner. If

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he had won the tenth round, or you know, if

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he wins the tenth round, would have been one seventeen

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twelfth to the twelfth round, excuse me. So that means

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he only had nick Ball losing three rounds of the

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entire fight going into the twelveth round.

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Speaker 3: There are times where you look at cards like that

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and you're like, that's just absurd. I have to be honest,

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I'm not saying I agree with it. So as they

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went to round twelve, I had I had, I had

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Brandon figure out ahead by one round, folks. And if

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you told me you thought that nick Ball was head

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by a round or you had it either, I can't

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really argue whatever. You know, if that had gone the

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fall twelve after ten, if you told me you had

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it even but because there were so many close rounds

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like I can't, I'm not. I'm just telling you how

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I feel. I mean, you know, I rip on judges

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all the time. I didn't like the card before.

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Speaker 1: Into the twelfth round, Brandon Figaroa had won more than

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three rounds for that to be one oh seven to

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one oh three.

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Speaker 3: Your opinion, I'm saying to me, I didn't agree with it,

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but I didn't think it was anything absolutely bizarre and

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crazy because it was that kind of fight.

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Speaker 2: Ultimately, it didn't matter.

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Speaker 3: That's the point.

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Speaker 1: He knocked him out. Now let's get to the little

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brew Haha. You love my terminology. Brew. I'm always coming

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up with your sat. Where we got brew ha has

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and car compartmentalized and other things we've been working on

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with the SAT. So first, there's a member of balls

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team that's in a sport coat, you know, dress slacks,

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the whole bit, that's trying to get over at their corner.

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And the big security guards, the big ball headed Jerry

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Springer s security guys get in the way, the big

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muscular guys. And then who is this clown that first

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tried to come front ways towards Brandon Figueroa and then

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he scooted around to the right of the circle and

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tried to kick Brandon Figueroa. And I've watched it three

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times that's exactly what he was trying.

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Speaker 3: To Remember, this was not a UFC event, so no case.

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Speaker 2: Is correct, no kicking aloud. Who was that clown? Do

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we know who that player was?

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Speaker 3: Apparently this was Andrew Kane Okay, Apparently as part of

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the nick Ball Uh huh. Andrew Kine had boxed on

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the undercart.

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Speaker 1: Uh huh.

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Speaker 3: He had scored a ninth round knockout against Alejandro Gonzalez

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and a WBC bantamweight elimination fight, so setting him up

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to fight for a world title. Uh. I'm not sure

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if there'll be any action taken. He should be, I mean,

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the British Boxing Border Control has to do something about that,

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and that's not Nick Ball's fault, and that's not Brandon

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Figueroa's fault. They were somehow offended that Brandon Figueroa and

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his team were celebrating in the manner in which they did.

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Speaker 1: To this second, do we know did figure Oa go

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taunt or do anything. No media reported it because the

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cameras didn't show it. We don't know if he touted him.

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He's just jumped in the middle of the ring, celebrating, celebrating.

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Speaker 3: I mean this, listen. First of all, I've never known

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Brandon figure Out to be that kind of guy number

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one that's gonna taunt and get in your face like that.

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But by the same token, you've spent two months training

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your ass off, You've traveled across the world. He went

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from Texas to England to be in a world championship

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fight where everything is against him. He's the underdog. It's

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him and his team and no one else thinks he's

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gonna win the fight. He fightes a heck of a fight.

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It's a tough, ruling, grinding, physical, tough fight. He's in

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the last round. He scores a spectacular knockout. He wins

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a world championship, becomes a three time world.

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Speaker 1: Champion, professionally life altering moment, the world champion.

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Speaker 2: You're back to big pay days.

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Speaker 3: Yes, you're gonna be excited. I mean, if you can't

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celebrate a big victory and it's not like it look

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big gall I mean, listen, it wasn't like he was

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laying dead on the canvas. I mean, we all there's

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differences of level of knockout. Yeah, he got knocked out.

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it wasn't like a celebration that went on and on

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and on and on. I mean they calmed down and

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as they're.

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Speaker 1: Jumping, they're jumping up and down the middle of the ring, celebrating,

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and then they kind of moved over to their corner

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and the security guys moved him over. Would they say

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one more time there? It was not on the verge

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of getting out of control right at all. But that's

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how things can get out of control, especially when this

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Andrew Kane, if that's him, came around the security guards

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and he's trying to kick Brandon Figueroa.

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Speaker 2: He is a clown for that and he should be

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disciplined for that.

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Speaker 3: I would hope the British Boxing Board of Control will

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discipline him. Uh. And you know, to Brandon figure Oa's

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credit and Manny Roebliss, when they did their interviews after

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the fight, they he apologize. He said, look, I was

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excited I won the title. We didn't mean any disrespect.

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We have nothing but respect for Nick Ball and his team,

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and you know, we love the fans here and they've

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been tremendous and I mean, you know, I took it

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as genuine and same thing from Manny Roblis. But god

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damn if you can't celebrate a twelve ron knockout to

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winter World, Yeah, what the fuck are we doing?

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Speaker 2: I'm with you, what are we doing here?

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Speaker 1: Kudos to him and it opens up options obviously for

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Figaroa again a.

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Speaker 3: Really good fight. I mean, so now you have a listen,

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the landscape at featherweight has now changed in the span

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of seven days because you have Brandon figure Out becoming

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the WBA champion with this very impressive knockout victory against

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Nick Ball. And by the way, Brandon has now got

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some accomplishment. He's a two time featherweight champion. He had

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previously been a junior featherweight champion. His only two losses

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of his career are both by decision against Stephen Fulton.

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One was extremely questionable and close and disputed, which was

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the unification fight that they had in their first fight

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back in twenty twenty one, that was at one hundred

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and twenty two. He lost a clear and legit clean

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decision to him in the rematch that was a year

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or so ago where he lost the featherweight title. But

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now he's got the two featherweight belts in his collection.

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He's got the junior featherweight belt, and seven days before

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that you had Shoes Shu Carrington winning the vacant WBC title,

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So he got two new title holders in the division.

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And it actually this is not a commonality at all.

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There's always somebody that has titles that is outside of

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North America. But there's now three American featherweight champions and

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won from Mexico. So you have Shu Shu Carrington who

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won the featherweight belt from the WBC, you have Brandon

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doing what he did with the WBA, and you have

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the reigning title holders, Angela Leo with the IBF and

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Raphael Espinoza with the WBO. And if you're looking for

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what Figureo is going to do next now Mania. Robas

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said in an interview after fight that if Nick Boll

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wanted a rematch, they were open to it. Like there, look,

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he gave us a shot, we'll give him the shot.

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You hear that a lot of times. I kind of

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doubt that's gonna happen, Okay, but if it did, so

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be it. Figure Out was making the point in his

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interview that what he would really like to do is

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go back home and have a home area, you know,

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fight in the hometown. Now, he has not fought in

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that area. He comes from West Lico, Texas. He's not

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fought in that region since twenty nineteen. That was back

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when he held an interim title at junior featherweight. So

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it's been a long time six years or so, seven

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years or so since he had a fight there. He

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would like to do that, whether that's realistic or not.

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I mean, PBC, when they doing their shows most of

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the time over the recent past, they've basically all been

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in big venues like Las Vegas. They did one in

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New York and that sort of thing. But you never know,

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I mean, maybe they bring him home. But he said

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that would I don't think that would be for some

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kind of big, big fight, But he wants a unification fight. Obviously,

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if he can get a hometown fight first, that'd be

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good for him. But I have no doubt that he'd

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be willing to step in the ring with any of

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these guys. And the good thing about the featherweights right

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now is you listen to the way that they all speak.

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Rafiel Spinoza has been asking for the big names. Carrington

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was chirping like crazy after he won the time. I'll

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fight anybody. Angelo Leo has shown it. He's gone overseas

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in to Japan and he's and fought over there, and

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the figure out has traveled and is willing to do it.

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So the good thing is all these guys seem like,

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at least the way they're talking is they're willing to

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step up and fight. We have a lot of good

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fights in that division if those guys will will sign

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on the dotted line.

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Speaker 1: Love the drama of what we saw in Liverpool, So

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let's back up. Really good fight Friday night and the

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WBO bantamweight title fight was in Guadalajara, Mexico, and Christian

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Medina defeats Adrian Curiel by decision. This was hard fought

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though in watching I have to confess I did not

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see the fight, lie, but I've watched them.

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Speaker 3: I got a back up highlight, second lead, back up

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for one second, back to figure out for just a

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quick minute after the fight. On social media, Turkey Alshik

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posted congratulating Brandon Figure on his victory and saying how

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much he would love to have him come to Saudi

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Arabia to be part of the Mexican fight card you're

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planning for September twelfth. They got the same card that

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Canelo Albarela the headline, so if that happens, you know,

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if they bring him there. Turkey likes to make significant fights,

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maybe they make one of the big ones.

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Speaker 1: Money money, money, and again life altering twelfth round to

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get that knockout and get the get the title back

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because of the options it opens up. Okay, So back

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to the speaking of Mexico, back to the Friday Night

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Mexican main event and this Medina Curiel fight. I did

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not see the fight in full, but I've seen the

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long form highlights. This was a bad all. Medina I

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believe is the rightful winner, but was tough. Couriol landed

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some shots. There was a great atmosphere in the arena.

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This was another solid I'm saying this solid night for

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a title fight there in Guadalajara, Mexico on Frinnie Eye.

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Speaker 3: Well Medina and his opponent, Kyrio. They're both from Mexico,

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but the fight was in Guadalajara, which is Medina's hometown,

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so he was the big favorite of the crowd. Of course,

474
00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:28,839
defending the title for the first time. He had won

475
00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:31,319
it overseas. He came home. He had signed with Matchrom

476
00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:33,400
Boxing and they brought him to the hometown to do

477
00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:36,920
his first defense and carry all is an interesting character

478
00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:38,640
from the standpoint that he was a champion at one

479
00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:41,680
hundred and eight pounds. He's moved up after he lost

480
00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:46,599
that title. You know, it kind of fluctuated between the divisions.

481
00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:49,000
But this was, like you said, I didn't, I didn't.

482
00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:51,440
You saw the law form highlights, so they showed the

483
00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:54,039
best parts, right, I saw the whole fight. Yeah, it

484
00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:56,039
was a little bit kind of hit or miss. I

485
00:21:56,079 --> 00:21:57,559
didn't love the fight, to be quite honest with you,

486
00:21:57,599 --> 00:21:59,440
it was okay, it was it was good, but that

487
00:21:59,559 --> 00:22:02,519
was not like, uh, something I'm like jumping over, you know,

488
00:22:02,599 --> 00:22:04,440
jumping up and down about it was. It was a

489
00:22:04,559 --> 00:22:07,319
it was a perfectly fine fight. But actually, to me, honestly,

490
00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:08,960
it kind of disappointed me. I thought it'd better to

491
00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:12,440
be quite quite honest. But in the end, Lookkuri all uh,

492
00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:14,440
he came to fight, but I felt like he just

493
00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:16,680
didn't have the same kind of skills, not as big,

494
00:22:17,279 --> 00:22:19,920
not as powerful, and and Medina was able to I

495
00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:21,160
thought he kind of ran him out of the ring.

496
00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:23,880
So when you look at the scorecards, uh, this is

497
00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:26,240
you know, we talked about the juxtaposition of the one

498
00:22:26,319 --> 00:22:28,720
judge having a wide for nick Ball and one judge

499
00:22:28,839 --> 00:22:31,559
two judges having it, uh, you know for three points

500
00:22:31,599 --> 00:22:34,960
favorite for Brandon. Figure out how about this TJ. Two

501
00:22:35,039 --> 00:22:38,400
judges had it for Medina one sixteen one twelve, which

502
00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:39,960
seemed to be about the right score to me, one

503
00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:41,759
fifteen one to thirteen little bit closer, and then the

504
00:22:41,759 --> 00:22:44,640
third judge had Medina winning one twenty to one away head.

505
00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:50,400
Speaker 1: I didn't say that the shutout.

506
00:22:49,079 --> 00:22:53,039
Speaker 3: So that that listen, I think one oh seven one

507
00:22:53,079 --> 00:22:55,359
oh three, one o seven one oh two in favorite

508
00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:57,960
nick ball is more legitimate than having.

509
00:22:57,839 --> 00:22:59,680
Speaker 2: Than winning every round.

510
00:22:59,799 --> 00:23:01,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly if you want me to do the Bob

511
00:23:01,319 --> 00:23:01,839
Aaron line.

512
00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:05,359
Speaker 1: He had that scar cod filled out before he showed

513
00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:07,720
up at the arena one.

514
00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:10,519
Speaker 3: So he wins, he wins the fight. Uh, you know, Medina,

515
00:23:10,839 --> 00:23:13,079
it's one of those I won't say it was a

516
00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:15,799
soft defense, but he went home against a smaller guy

517
00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:18,640
that we was the you know, big time favorite against,

518
00:23:19,079 --> 00:23:21,119
and uh he got the job done. And so now

519
00:23:21,519 --> 00:23:24,480
you figure what does he do next? The division in

520
00:23:24,519 --> 00:23:28,359
bandamweight is not exactly star studded. Okay, you've got you know,

521
00:23:28,519 --> 00:23:32,200
Takuma in Away has ADOBEBC title. Uh say, it's assume

522
00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:35,200
he has the DOBBA title. There both from Japan. There's

523
00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:38,359
a chance that they may fight each other in a

524
00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:41,039
unification fight that they've been talking about, possibly fighting on

525
00:23:41,079 --> 00:23:43,559
the undercard. Win in a way, his brother Anoi in

526
00:23:43,599 --> 00:23:46,079
a way is going to tee it up with Nakatani

527
00:23:46,279 --> 00:23:49,640
probably in May. And then you have Jose Salas, who's

528
00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:52,279
also a newly crowned champion from Mexico has the IBF.

529
00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:54,279
So maybe what they do is they put the two

530
00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:58,839
Japanese champions together and unify. Perhaps Medina and Salas the

531
00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:02,559
two Mexican Champions UNIFI and we get Mexico versus Japan

532
00:24:02,599 --> 00:24:05,319
for the un disputed tunnel. That's me. That's not gonna happen.

533
00:24:05,319 --> 00:24:08,160
That's highly unlikely. But one can dream, can't one?

534
00:24:08,839 --> 00:24:09,240
Speaker 2: We can.

535
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:12,240
Speaker 1: We like to have good things. But again I thought

536
00:24:12,319 --> 00:24:15,599
from what I saw, uh you know, it was not dull.

537
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:17,559
There was a lot of action and again Madina got

538
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:22,400
hit some in the fight too hit of course. Yes,

539
00:24:23,079 --> 00:24:25,680
uh so he gets the victory on that Friday night

540
00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:30,119
to his own card. So we have sufficed with the recappage.

541
00:24:30,559 --> 00:24:32,400
Now let's move on to the news.

542
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:33,920
Speaker 2: Oh, we're back.

543
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:38,440
Speaker 1: We're back in the courts, are we. Floyd Mayweather has

544
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:44,240
now filed suit against Showtime Boxing, against Steven Espinoza and

545
00:24:44,319 --> 00:24:45,920
against Al Hayman.

546
00:24:46,039 --> 00:24:47,440
Speaker 3: Right, no, no, no, no, no, no, you better get

547
00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:51,319
that right, dude, is Haman not named? Haman's all over

548
00:24:51,319 --> 00:24:54,119
the lawsuit, but he is not a defendant. Please get

549
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:55,960
this accurate so we don't get fucking sued.

550
00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:59,440
Speaker 2: Okay, so wait a minute, he's named in the league.

551
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:01,279
Speaker 3: To read your substack.

552
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:03,960
Speaker 1: I did not read the article on the substack, but

553
00:25:04,079 --> 00:25:07,079
I saw that Al Hayman is named in it. Let

554
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:08,960
me set but he's not a defendant.

555
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:12,880
Speaker 3: Let me set this up, please. Floyd Maylor Mayweather filed

556
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:16,599
suit in California Superior Court, State Court of California, Los

557
00:25:16,599 --> 00:25:20,079
Angeles a few days ago. The defendants in this case

558
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:24,039
are Showtime Networks and Steven Espinosa personally, who at the

559
00:25:24,079 --> 00:25:27,279
time were the things that are alleged was the president

560
00:25:27,319 --> 00:25:30,160
of Showtime Sports, which of course we all know was

561
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:32,440
shuttered at the end of twenty twenty three when Showtime

562
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:34,480
you know, killed off its boxing program and the rest

563
00:25:34,519 --> 00:25:37,319
of its sports department. So he is suing them for

564
00:25:38,319 --> 00:25:42,400
three hundred and forty million dollars plus punitive damages, alleging

565
00:25:42,839 --> 00:25:45,440
that it was you know. And it's it's a twenty

566
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:47,480
five page lawsuit. And if you want to go on

567
00:25:47,519 --> 00:25:49,799
my substack, I have the entire lawsuit there. It is

568
00:25:49,799 --> 00:25:51,880
behind the paywall. That's how I make a living. If

569
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:54,359
you want to read it, by all means, please subscribe

570
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:57,440
and you can read every single word. And I would say,

571
00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:59,920
get your popcorn because it makes very interesting and compel.

572
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:04,599
It really does. So the suit claims this is Mayweather. Now,

573
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,880
remember Floyd has been retired his last official boxing He's

574
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,240
had some exhibitions, but his last official fight was in

575
00:26:10,279 --> 00:26:12,880
twenty seventeen, so he's been retired for almost ten years.

576
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,039
And now I guess I don't want to say suddenly.

577
00:26:16,039 --> 00:26:17,359
I'm not trying to make light of it, because three

578
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:21,039
forty is a big number that nine years later, they

579
00:26:21,039 --> 00:26:24,759
are apparently finding there was some impropriety. They claim in

580
00:26:24,799 --> 00:26:27,079
the way that he just paid it out over the fights. Now,

581
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:29,319
he had the last seven fights of his career with Showtime.

582
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:31,519
They were the most lucrative of his career. That was

583
00:26:31,519 --> 00:26:34,319
in the contract where he fought Canelo and McGregor and

584
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:37,839
pacyaw and making big money both Maydonna fights, Robert Guerrero

585
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,480
or Andre Berto. These were the biggest paydays that he's

586
00:26:40,519 --> 00:26:43,400
had his entire career. So what they claim is they

587
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:45,680
are looking to recover what they say in the suit

588
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:49,799
is hundreds of millions of dollars in misappropriated funds and

589
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:53,319
damages resulting from a long running and elaborate scheme of

590
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:58,319
financial fraud perpetrated allegedly by Al Hayman, who was Floyd's

591
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:00,839
former manager. They have not been together for about a year.

592
00:27:00,759 --> 00:27:03,319
Speaker 2: But he's suing him as a defendant.

593
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:04,039
Speaker 3: That is correct.

594
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 1: Now, even though word for word it says in the

595
00:27:07,799 --> 00:27:12,319
lawsuit that Hayman misappropriated quote a significant portion of his

596
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:16,319
career earnings Floyd's with the help of Showtime and Espinoza,

597
00:27:16,559 --> 00:27:19,079
and the money is still missing and unaccounted for.

598
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,119
Speaker 3: Okay, So there's two ways to look at that. And

599
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,359
I've asked a few people that are a lot more

600
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,000
experienced in legalities than I, because the first question in

601
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:29,839
my mind was, Okay, if you're suing Showtime and Espinoza,

602
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:33,400
who was an employee of Showtime, and you know, the

603
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:35,759
whole lawsuit is about the things that you claim were

604
00:27:35,759 --> 00:27:38,559
done by al Hayman, why is al Haman not a defendant?

605
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,519
So the way did you get to that? So I

606
00:27:41,559 --> 00:27:44,480
talked to like literally two different lawyers I've known for

607
00:27:44,519 --> 00:27:47,759
a long time who know their shit around boxing very well.

608
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:51,480
And while they didn't necessarily know specifically, it could be

609
00:27:51,519 --> 00:27:55,200
a couple of things. One, they're gonna sue Hayman later

610
00:27:55,599 --> 00:27:59,160
or separately, which is conceivable. Two and this is a

611
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:02,319
strong rumor that he's already made a nine figure settlement

612
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:05,880
with Hayman, and that part of that settlement perhaps would

613
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:09,960
be that Hayman would have to give the deposition or

614
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:15,519
testimony detailing the fraud that would implicate Showtime in Espinoza. Now,

615
00:28:15,559 --> 00:28:17,680
I found that slightly hard to believe. And the reason

616
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:20,960
I say that is because since Showtime Sports was closed,

617
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:24,519
Steven Espinoza currently works for PBC as a consultant for

618
00:28:24,559 --> 00:28:27,759
Hayman and has been doing so since they started their

619
00:28:27,799 --> 00:28:31,200
prime deal back in twenty twenty three or twenty four

620
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:34,519
whenever it was so. But you never know, So that's

621
00:28:34,559 --> 00:28:37,920
all speculation. Bottom line is Hayman is all over the

622
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,680
twenty five pages worth of the lawsuit claiming all kinds

623
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:42,920
of things, but he is not a defendant.

624
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:47,319
Speaker 1: I will just interject, I believe it is more likely,

625
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:50,480
Dan Rayfield, that you would get struck by lightning and

626
00:28:50,599 --> 00:28:54,319
win the lottery oh later today than al Hayman has

627
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:58,079
secretly given Floyd Mayweather a what did you say?

628
00:29:02,359 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 2: Nine figure settlement? I would find that.

629
00:29:05,839 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 3: I mean, the allegations in the lawsuit are pretty pretty harsh.

630
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:10,480
I mean they and some of it does.

631
00:29:10,519 --> 00:29:12,559
Speaker 1: You can pull it all kinds of things in a

632
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:15,240
lawsuit and it doesn't mean any of it's valid or true.

633
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:15,880
Now let's cut.

634
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:16,759
Speaker 2: Let's cut to the time.

635
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 3: I want to just explain one thing, because one thing

636
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,680
I have learned from reading all kinds of boxing lawsuits

637
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:26,640
for years. The plaintiff, their lawyers draw up the lawsuits,

638
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:30,200
so everything always sounds wonderful for the plaintiff and makes

639
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:33,400
the defendants, you know, like the devil incarnate. And usually

640
00:29:33,759 --> 00:29:36,319
there's somewhere a gray area in between where it's not

641
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,240
as uh you know, uh perfect for the for the

642
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:42,000
plaintiff as they make it seem. You know, somewhere falls

643
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:43,839
in the middle. But even still it's still this is

644
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:45,720
a very harsh lawsuit the way that that's.

645
00:29:45,799 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 1: Let me uh, let me interject a couple of other things,

646
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,680
because common sense has to come into play. Sure, if

647
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:57,440
there was three hundred million dollars missing common sense, you're

648
00:29:57,519 --> 00:30:01,880
screaming about that long before twenty two, twenty six, just concept.

649
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 3: I don't disagree with that. But second they they didn't

650
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:06,480
know about it, you know, that was being misappropriated.

651
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:10,119
Speaker 1: But second thing, and Steven Espinoza commented on this from

652
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,279
the Super Bowl, and I believe this was on Friday.

653
00:30:12,319 --> 00:30:15,079
He was at the radio row wherever they're doing the

654
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:17,400
radio row. The game is in Santa Clara. I don't

655
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:19,079
know if the radio row was in San Francisco, but

656
00:30:19,119 --> 00:30:21,960
he was there and I saw an interview and he said,

657
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,440
I can't really get into the specifics. I haven't seen

658
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:27,279
the lawsuit, but he will. But he did say this

659
00:30:27,799 --> 00:30:31,759
everything he made this comment, everything was done above board

660
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:35,079
with the money. I've always taken care of fighters, and

661
00:30:35,119 --> 00:30:40,200
the money went through Al Hayman, TGB Promotions, everybody else

662
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,599
that had to get it. And at that point we're

663
00:30:42,599 --> 00:30:44,720
out of it. So here's what we come back to

664
00:30:44,839 --> 00:30:47,200
on the whole ALI Act and where does the money go?

665
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:47,839
Speaker 3: Then?

666
00:30:47,839 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 1: When your promoter's also your manager, are they being clear

667
00:30:51,039 --> 00:30:53,559
with you on how much money's coming your way versus

668
00:30:53,599 --> 00:30:56,119
how much they're keeping for themselves. So I just thought

669
00:30:56,119 --> 00:30:58,599
that was interesting that he added. He didn't get into

670
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:03,640
any more rebuttal no counterpoints. He just said, we dealt

671
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:07,160
with this. The money was put out to the different promoters.

672
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:09,279
Speaker 3: And it's always it's always the smartest thing if you're

673
00:31:09,319 --> 00:31:11,279
the person that's that's a defendant in a lawsuit, to

674
00:31:11,359 --> 00:31:13,400
keep your mouth shut. Of course, let your lawyers.

675
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:15,599
Speaker 1: Do let the lawyers, let the lawyers do this. And hell,

676
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:17,359
this one of the things I know, and I'll even

677
00:31:17,359 --> 00:31:19,839
engage it. There's probably a really good chance that this

678
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:24,920
lawsuit gets dismissed, that the procedurally something is wrong with it.

679
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:27,920
No I mean, I'm talking about something is procedurally wrong

680
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:31,000
with it, with where they filed it, how they get it, whatever,

681
00:31:31,079 --> 00:31:32,799
and it just gets kicked out and then it's now

682
00:31:32,839 --> 00:31:35,680
your move. You want to read agatay tuned.

683
00:31:35,839 --> 00:31:39,319
Speaker 3: One thing that was unusual is that the the deal

684
00:31:39,359 --> 00:31:42,920
that Floyd had with Showtime, even though he had those

685
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:47,119
seven fights, technically speaking, as best as I know, it

686
00:31:47,279 --> 00:31:50,400
was not Showtime and Floyd Mayweather that had the deal,

687
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,279
which is what it is written about and claimed and

688
00:31:53,319 --> 00:31:57,039
throughout the lawsuit the actual contract was between Showtime and

689
00:31:57,119 --> 00:32:01,960
Mayweather Promotions. So those are two different these There was

690
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:05,640
a bizarre part in the lawsuit where they talked about

691
00:32:06,279 --> 00:32:08,839
trying to get like that Floyd's people had gone to

692
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:12,200
Showtime seeking some of the records to to you know,

693
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,039
to try to figure out, you know, what was going on,

694
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:18,920
and they said they did not have them available because

695
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:22,000
the records were either not accessible or lost than a flood,

696
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,079
and like, well, Showtime is in New York City, where

697
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:27,240
was there a flood? Made them Manhattan was there a flood,

698
00:32:27,839 --> 00:32:29,640
and they're not like on the ground floor at the river.

699
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,720
They're like, oh, Icecraper, I've been to the Showtime building.

700
00:32:32,759 --> 00:32:33,599
Speaker 2: They're way to understand.

701
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,720
Speaker 1: So and by the way, let me just interject while

702
00:32:36,759 --> 00:32:38,119
we're going over this, and then we'll move on to a.

703
00:32:38,079 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 2: Couple of other things before we're done.

704
00:32:40,319 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 1: If you were dealing Showtime, Steven Espinoza just saying directly,

705
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:47,480
with maybe Weather Promotions, it would have been clear. It

706
00:32:47,599 --> 00:32:51,279
would have been clear, this is the agreement, this is

707
00:32:51,319 --> 00:32:54,880
the money you're getting, and now here is payment. And

708
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,079
if you didn't get payment, then it would be more

709
00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:00,720
understandable that after the McGregor fight, you're screaming. A week later,

710
00:33:00,759 --> 00:33:02,920
a month later, I'm just saying this, ninety days later,

711
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,440
we didn't get paid what the contract says we were

712
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:06,000
supposed to get.

713
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:08,839
Speaker 3: The point they're making is not that okay, and it's

714
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,559
it is there is nuance involved, And I'm not taking signs.

715
00:33:11,599 --> 00:33:15,359
I'm just saying it is conceivable, one hundred percent conceivable

716
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:18,119
that they got every dollar that they were told they

717
00:33:18,119 --> 00:33:20,240
were going to get and supposed to get. But on

718
00:33:20,279 --> 00:33:24,039
the on the side, on the down low, you got them.

719
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:28,400
They're directing portions that were not accounted for to accounts

720
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:30,400
that they didn't have control of. And they've come to

721
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:31,240
realize that there.

722
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,759
Speaker 1: Was Okay, you lost me. Who is they directed the

723
00:33:33,759 --> 00:33:34,680
money you're talking about?

724
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 3: They claim that Espinoza was directing money the Haman controlled

725
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:42,000
accounts that were that were not part of what Showtime

726
00:33:42,079 --> 00:33:43,440
was paying out de Floyd.

727
00:33:44,319 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 1: I mean, mother, My mother thought that I should have

728
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:48,079
been a lawyer. I know a lot about the law.

729
00:33:48,119 --> 00:33:49,720
I'm not a lawyer. I know a lot of lawyers,

730
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:51,279
and we know a lot about lawsuits. You and I

731
00:33:51,279 --> 00:33:54,880
have both been around the block numerous times on this. Fundamentally,

732
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:58,839
What does the contract say that will be important? What

733
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,519
did the contracts say for the Many pacquiot fight. What

734
00:34:01,559 --> 00:34:04,920
did it say for the Floyd mc mayweather McGregor fight,

735
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,720
Connor McGregor fight. What did it say on who gets paid?

736
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,039
What did it say on how much you get paid?

737
00:34:10,599 --> 00:34:15,079
And if the other part is the promoters show Time

738
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:18,119
and whoever made a whole bunch of other money that

739
00:34:18,199 --> 00:34:20,639
they didn't tell us about, Well, if that's not in

740
00:34:20,679 --> 00:34:25,000
your contract on what you get paid, that's what I mean.

741
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,880
That's what I mean. If it turns out that the

742
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:31,000
event made much more money than what was in your

743
00:34:31,079 --> 00:34:34,199
contract for you to be paid. That's the American enterprise

744
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:36,079
system too. Now I'm sounding like a defense lawyer.

745
00:34:36,199 --> 00:34:38,840
Speaker 3: Listen on. So neither of us know for sure. I

746
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:42,320
just know this. I don't believe this was necessarily just

747
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:45,280
filed frivolously out of nowhere when you read the detail

748
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:49,000
that they put into the suit. So to me, where

749
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,639
there's smoke, there's fire. Now, whether it's three hundred.

750
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:53,880
Speaker 1: I am going to sit here and bounce and I'm

751
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:55,880
gonna knock that back over the net, just because I

752
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:56,480
don't give a shit.

753
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 2: Okay, and I don't either.

754
00:34:58,159 --> 00:35:00,840
Speaker 1: Just because they filed this doesn't mean they have credibility.

755
00:35:01,079 --> 00:35:03,440
He doesn't mean they're telling the truth. It doesn't mean

756
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:05,880
that they're right, no, But it doesn't mean that I'm

757
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,239
going to sit here and listen to. Well, they must

758
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:11,400
really have something to go on, which is missing. That's

759
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:12,239
what you just said.

760
00:35:12,559 --> 00:35:16,280
Speaker 3: What I'm saying is where they're smoked, their's fire, but

761
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:19,079
not necessarily three hundred and forty million dollars worth of

762
00:35:19,079 --> 00:35:20,840
smoking fire. That's my point.

763
00:35:21,639 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 2: I could believe this smoke. He's already running out of money.

764
00:35:25,079 --> 00:35:25,559
Speaker 3: That's true.

765
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 1: He has been running out of money. He's continued to fight.

766
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:32,119
He allegedly was going to try to fight Mike Tyson. Right,

767
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:35,480
that's still sign that came up with all of this,

768
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:39,320
So that's not in dispute. So this this is apparently

769
00:35:39,519 --> 00:35:41,960
and one thing. And we've seen this over and over

770
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:44,960
and over again, including with the current president and a

771
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,800
lot of other people. Go sue for three hundred and

772
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:51,199
fifty million dollars when you have no or no, go

773
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:55,760
sue for two billion dollars, Go sue like Austin Powers

774
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:59,960
ten billion dollars. Go sue for whatever, and then say

775
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:05,480
battle for a smaller part, a fraction, a tiny amount

776
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:06,920
that's in that.

777
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:08,760
Speaker 3: Who knows, here's the thing?

778
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:10,800
Speaker 2: All even to the lawyers. The lawyers will get paid.

779
00:36:11,159 --> 00:36:15,360
Speaker 3: When Floyd retired, he spent inordinate amounts of time in

780
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:19,559
every single interview you could possibly imagine. He once basically

781
00:36:19,559 --> 00:36:23,239
took over the Boxing Writer's Association of America awards dinner

782
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:25,559
when he got some kind of award, and he spoke

783
00:36:25,599 --> 00:36:27,320
for like a half an hour, and all he did

784
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:29,239
was talk about what a smart business person he was

785
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:32,159
and how much smart investments he made, and you and

786
00:36:32,199 --> 00:36:36,119
in my mind, I mean, it was ridiculous. I always

787
00:36:36,199 --> 00:36:39,599
felt from way way back that at some point, no

788
00:36:39,599 --> 00:36:43,000
matter how much money Floyd made, that he would encounter

789
00:36:43,079 --> 00:36:46,719
financial difficulties in retirement. It was when you watch the

790
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:49,039
manner in which he lived his life, when you know

791
00:36:49,119 --> 00:36:52,880
anything about the massive, degenerate gambler he's always been, and

792
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:54,599
you combine that with the fact that he had a

793
00:36:54,679 --> 00:36:57,920
thousand people around him and you know, lived the luxurious life.

794
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:02,639
Speaker 1: And and by the way, we go one more level.

795
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:05,199
If the people around you and I don't know this,

796
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:07,559
if the people around you have mismanaged your money and

797
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:09,280
or stolen your money and you don't have as much

798
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:11,519
of your money anymore because of that, that.

799
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 2: Ain't everybody else's problem.

800
00:37:13,199 --> 00:37:14,119
Speaker 3: You're right, it's not.

801
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:15,760
Speaker 1: So stay tuned.

802
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 3: If Mike Tyson can go bankrupt, and Evander Holyfield can

803
00:37:19,039 --> 00:37:21,039
go bankrupt, and plenty of other fighters a week in

804
00:37:21,079 --> 00:37:23,920
detail have had financial problems, Mayweather.

805
00:37:23,639 --> 00:37:27,639
Speaker 1: Is remember one important distinguishing thing about Tyson and I'm

806
00:37:27,679 --> 00:37:29,760
not I mean, we could go for ten more minutes.

807
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:33,960
What Tyson alleged eventually when he figured it out in

808
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,400
the late nineties is don care we go back to

809
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:40,320
the Muhammad ali Ak. Don King has been withholding tens

810
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:42,880
of millions of dollars from me that he did not

811
00:37:43,159 --> 00:37:46,679
tell me were there in the deal. And I should

812
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:50,360
have been getting twenty million, twenty five million, and I.

813
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:51,679
Speaker 2: Was only getting a few million.

814
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:53,800
Speaker 3: But he still blew that. That's the point whatever.

815
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:56,360
Speaker 1: He blew the few million, but his point it was

816
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:59,079
much different than the Mayweather point. And he was arguing

817
00:37:59,079 --> 00:38:02,840
it in real time time before that Lennux Lewis title fight,

818
00:38:03,679 --> 00:38:06,199
that that Don.

819
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,639
Speaker 3: King, well, Don King was not involved with the Lennox Lewis.

820
00:38:08,599 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 2: That's exactly right.

821
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 1: He was alleging in the early two thousands that when

822
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,559
he came out of prison he was making a fraction

823
00:38:14,679 --> 00:38:16,440
of the money that Don King had been getting. And

824
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:18,760
this was this was the impetus for the Ali Act,

825
00:38:19,039 --> 00:38:20,800
which brings us all the way back to whether that

826
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:21,679
should be done away with.

827
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:23,119
Speaker 3: And we're the only The only one I was making

828
00:38:23,159 --> 00:38:25,599
about Tyson was if he made five million, and he

829
00:38:25,639 --> 00:38:27,760
blew it. Yeah, But then he actually got the other

830
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:29,239
money that he was supposed to get. You would have

831
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:29,519
blown that.

832
00:38:29,559 --> 00:38:30,880
Speaker 1: You would have thought he would have blown through all

833
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,559
of that. Now he's got people around him now and

834
00:38:33,599 --> 00:38:34,000
he's made.

835
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:36,039
Speaker 3: I'm not talking about now, talking about twenty five years ago.

836
00:38:36,079 --> 00:38:37,840
Speaker 1: Well maybe he maybe he would have, but you would

837
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:40,599
have had a hard time blowing one hundred and fifty

838
00:38:40,679 --> 00:38:43,079
or two hundred, would don't think so.

839
00:38:43,159 --> 00:38:44,559
Speaker 3: No, he would have put it all up his notes.

840
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:46,760
Speaker 2: You can't put that much up your nose.

841
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:48,920
Speaker 1: I'm talking about you blowing it, as opposed to people

842
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:51,320
stealing it from you, grabbing it from you. Bad investments,

843
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:54,280
bad deals, that kind of stuff. Not paying the government,

844
00:38:54,519 --> 00:38:55,480
that's a whole nother one.

845
00:38:55,559 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 2: Taxes.

846
00:38:56,159 --> 00:38:58,320
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm sure Mayweather's going to find some tax issues.

847
00:38:58,360 --> 00:38:58,760
That's all.

848
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 1: Stay tuned with all of this. And it's also one

849
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:06,480
more interesting aspect of this that Showtime doesn't have a

850
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:10,400
boxing outlet all right, hold on in the chronology. CBS,

851
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:14,199
which owned them, which is Paramount, has now sold to

852
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:18,719
sky Dance. Skydance is now the parent company that oversees

853
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:21,320
all of this. So I don't even know in the

854
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:27,159
lawsuit are they referencing sky Dance, Paramount, CBS who, because

855
00:39:27,159 --> 00:39:28,440
that's who oversees Showtime.

856
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 3: It's really I mean, I don't remember every single word

857
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:32,719
of the lawsuit because it's twenty five pages, but it

858
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:35,679
was all about showtime. The one disclosure in the lawsuit

859
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:38,119
which I feel like was confirmed is the type of

860
00:39:38,119 --> 00:39:40,159
thing that a lot of us in boxing have heard

861
00:39:40,159 --> 00:39:42,039
for a long time I never knew for sure, is

862
00:39:42,039 --> 00:39:45,840
that in twenty twenty three, Al Himan became incapacitated for

863
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:48,239
a period of time due to a severe stroke. Where

864
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:50,800
he is now, I'm not sure how much he is healed,

865
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:55,159
but he certainly was at one point incapacitated at that time,

866
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:59,960
and so that was a sidebar wowill to what was

867
00:40:00,079 --> 00:40:00,400
going on.

868
00:40:00,559 --> 00:40:03,079
Speaker 2: He's a very reclusive figure.

869
00:40:03,199 --> 00:40:05,159
Speaker 1: Nobody really sees him a lot or talks to him

870
00:40:05,199 --> 00:40:06,880
a lot, and so who knows over the course of

871
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:07,440
the last and.

872
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:09,360
Speaker 3: He's become more and more like that over the years.

873
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:11,280
I can say this. When he first came into boxing,

874
00:40:12,039 --> 00:40:14,159
Al would be around at press conferences. I knew Al.

875
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:16,199
I used to talk to Al like literally, like a

876
00:40:16,199 --> 00:40:18,440
couple times a week, had a very good relationship with him.

877
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:20,679
With ce met fights. He would call me about this,

878
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:23,360
I would call him about that and that, you know.

879
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:25,079
And as the years went on, he got a little

880
00:40:25,199 --> 00:40:28,039
more tight with what was around him. You know, he

881
00:40:28,079 --> 00:40:31,039
never really did interviews. I like to say, I think

882
00:40:31,039 --> 00:40:32,679
I'm not. I don't know if I'm the only one,

883
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:35,400
but certainly in a very rare actually had quoted him

884
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:39,960
in USA Today for an article, had quoted him, and

885
00:40:40,159 --> 00:40:42,639
when I was at ESPN also later after Vernon Forrest

886
00:40:42,639 --> 00:40:44,199
passed away, who was his first client, who he was

887
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:47,760
very close to. But yeah, the fact that he had

888
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:50,239
a stroke, you know, was was part of what was

889
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:52,440
described about what was happening at the time in that

890
00:40:52,519 --> 00:40:54,480
particular lawsuit that we're talking about.

891
00:40:55,079 --> 00:40:57,239
Speaker 1: I still come back to this fundamental thing for the peeps,

892
00:40:57,239 --> 00:40:58,920
for the savages that are out there that are listening

893
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:03,000
to us. First fundamental rule of contract law and lawsuits.

894
00:41:03,039 --> 00:41:06,079
What does the contract say? And that's going to be

895
00:41:06,119 --> 00:41:08,880
important in this case and every other case because that's

896
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:11,559
how judges resolve this stuff when there's disputes, is what

897
00:41:11,599 --> 00:41:14,400
does it say? And then who can demonstrate what was

898
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:16,519
done or not done around that contract.

899
00:41:16,519 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 3: There we go.

900
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 2: Let's move on a couple of other news items.

901
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 1: The WBO heavyweight champ Fabio Wardley Ray Phiel.

902
00:41:24,519 --> 00:41:25,840
Speaker 2: What is this on my rundown?

903
00:41:26,119 --> 00:41:31,840
Speaker 1: You saw he as apparently talking with the Daniel Dubois camp. Yeah,

904
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:34,239
this is what we've come to that this is going

905
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:37,039
to be the next fight. The same Daniel Dubois that

906
00:41:37,079 --> 00:41:40,119
Alexander Usick dispatched the last time that we saw him,

907
00:41:40,159 --> 00:41:43,159
the same Daniel Dubois beaten by Usik the first time,

908
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:46,199
the same Daniel du Wa knocked out by Joe Joyce.

909
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:48,800
I know he won to fight against Anthony Joshua in

910
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:49,639
between all of that.

911
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:51,519
Speaker 3: Well that's a pretty big win.

912
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, but he also got knocked out again

913
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:57,079
by us Exist. Then this this is the best. This

914
00:41:57,159 --> 00:41:58,400
is the best we can do. And I'm here to

915
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:00,280
tell you I'm not in the least been interest or

916
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:02,679
entertain by watching Daniel Dublin and Fabio Wardley.

917
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:05,199
Speaker 3: That's tens of thousands of people in England that will

918
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:06,719
go to the fight and be interested, to be a

919
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:09,440
whole bunch of people over there will happily buy the

920
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:12,360
owned subscription or the ultimate plan to watch it, being

921
00:42:12,599 --> 00:42:15,000
as a pay per viewer otherwise, And uh, you know what,

922
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:17,440
they're both with Matt, They're both with Queensberry.

923
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:18,039
Speaker 1: Uh.

924
00:42:18,079 --> 00:42:20,880
Speaker 3: Fabia Wardley is in need of an opponent because Alexander

925
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:23,800
Usik decided to vacate the WBO title rather than fight

926
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:26,039
the mandatory I'm not indicting Husik. He can go do it.

927
00:42:26,639 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 2: And Usik apparently doesn't want to fight him.

928
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:31,639
Speaker 3: Which is no Fabia would have thought Usick that was no.

929
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:35,039
Speaker 2: But Usik doesn't want to fight him. That's what we're hoping.

930
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:36,880
Speaker 3: For, right, So so he's not fighting Usik, So he's

931
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:39,239
got to find an opponent. And you can say what

932
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:41,039
you want. I mean, I don't think it's the greatest

933
00:42:41,039 --> 00:42:43,159
fucking match of all time, but you know what, I know,

934
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:45,280
when that fucking Dell goes, dude, they're gonna come out

935
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:48,119
swinging and someone's probably getting knocked the fucked out because

936
00:42:48,159 --> 00:42:49,760
it's going to be a fun, exciting fight for as

937
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:53,119
long as it lasts. And uh du bois uh. Yeah,

938
00:42:53,159 --> 00:42:55,039
he looked terrible and he got knocked out by usk

939
00:42:55,119 --> 00:42:56,760
in uh in this past summer in the in the

940
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:59,199
uh in the rematch, which was at that point because

941
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:01,039
he had the IBF. So it was for once again

942
00:43:01,199 --> 00:43:05,559
who think became the undisputed champion. Wordley is undefeated, but

943
00:43:05,599 --> 00:43:08,760
certainly we've seen him be vulnerable. Joseph Parker was was

944
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:11,719
doing very well against him before what was in some

945
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:14,280
minds a questionable stoppage against him in the eleventh round.

946
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:16,920
He was way behind in the scorecards in the previous

947
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:18,639
fight that took place in June before he came up

948
00:43:18,679 --> 00:43:20,800
with the Hail Mary and knocked out Justice Hooney was

949
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:23,719
one shot in the tenth round, so he has a

950
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:27,280
pension for drama. Daniel Dwise been in drama type fights

951
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:30,559
with knockout. So you know, I'm not going to piss

952
00:43:30,559 --> 00:43:31,920
on the fight. It's fine. I'm okay with it.

953
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:34,320
Speaker 1: Daniel Dubois down three times in the first round with

954
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:37,519
Kevin Lorena. I will in your vernacular, I will piss

955
00:43:37,559 --> 00:43:40,039
on the fight. No one in the United States cares

956
00:43:40,039 --> 00:43:40,719
about this fight.

957
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:41,760
Speaker 3: This is not being made for you.

958
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 1: I understand that fight a better opponent. Find a better

959
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:45,039
opponent fight.

960
00:43:46,039 --> 00:43:47,840
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm open for Philip.

961
00:43:47,599 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 1: Pergovich, he's ranked two in the WBO. If we can't

962
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:52,280
fight Moses E. Tama because we have the same trainer,

963
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:58,079
which I pay attention, fight Philip Pergovic who's number two.

964
00:43:58,119 --> 00:43:59,840
Speaker 3: But it's not like an option.

965
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 1: If it's an optional thing, fight Richard Torres of the

966
00:44:02,559 --> 00:44:06,840
United States, that'd be entertaining. But Torres is in the

967
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:07,800
top ten of the WBO.

968
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:09,239
Speaker 3: Are you're making a big thing back. I mean, look,

969
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:11,920
Hurgyvinch and Duba. It's not like it's such a dramatic difference.

970
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:14,440
And by the way, Danga Dubois has a knockout victory

971
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:16,559
against her like a year and a half ago, so

972
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:19,039
he stopped him. Yes, John Cutts, I mean it's all

973
00:44:19,039 --> 00:44:20,480
the same. It's they're just guys.

974
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:24,239
Speaker 2: All right, let's move on. But by the way, have

975
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:26,400
a time. We do have a timeline of when this

976
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:27,000
might happen.

977
00:44:27,119 --> 00:44:28,719
Speaker 3: If that fight gets made, it's probably going to be

978
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:31,480
an early part of May, and uh, and they'll do

979
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:33,119
the fight in the UK, of course, and uh it

980
00:44:33,159 --> 00:44:34,519
will over there will be a big deal.

981
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:39,639
Speaker 1: Next item, under the category that fighters never really retire,

982
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:43,599
Michael Conlin, who's been retired apparently at least twice, two

983
00:44:43,639 --> 00:44:46,320
time Irish Olympian, is apparently going to fight again.

984
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:49,639
Speaker 3: Well, he was not retired. He fought recently and he

985
00:44:49,679 --> 00:44:51,559
won and he's going to continue on for a little while,

986
00:44:51,679 --> 00:44:54,360
a little while longer. Uh, he came out of retirement.

987
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:57,199
He's twenty and three. He's coming off a knockout victory

988
00:44:57,719 --> 00:44:59,679
and uh, I don't want to any particular I mean,

989
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:03,000
you know, he's not fighting an elite fighter necessarily in

990
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:04,159
this he hopes to get another.

991
00:45:04,039 --> 00:45:06,679
Speaker 1: Kis the T. Spill the T, give us the deats,

992
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:09,599
what have you? What's going on? What's the fight and win?

993
00:45:10,199 --> 00:45:12,599
Speaker 3: So he's going to fight an American fighter who's basically

994
00:45:12,679 --> 00:45:15,400
named Kevin Walsh, who's made a living on the New

995
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:17,920
England club circuit. But as a good record, they're going

996
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:19,920
to put him in his hometown in Delfas. I'm sure

997
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:22,519
there'll be a good crowd there at the s SE Arena.

998
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:25,639
It'll be on his own. It is on March twentieth.

999
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:28,360
Now he has been in his last fighter, maybe his

1000
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:31,480
last two fights with Wasserman Boxing, which is the outfit

1001
00:45:31,519 --> 00:45:33,960
that is run by the Saroland brothers who for many

1002
00:45:34,039 --> 00:45:37,960
years were involved with Soaroland event in Germany, founded by

1003
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:41,519
their father Wilfrid Soarolnd who did numerous major mega fights

1004
00:45:41,519 --> 00:45:43,639
in Germany for all those years. They're now based in

1005
00:45:43,639 --> 00:45:46,039
the UK and now they have a new company called

1006
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:48,679
MF Pro. It is sort of a part of what's

1007
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:54,280
the misfits, you know, the influencer boxing business. But they

1008
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:56,840
have this car, they have this now new company. I

1009
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:59,000
don't know if it's the Washerman's been renamed or it's

1010
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:02,320
an offshoot of that, but MF prow This will be

1011
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:05,320
their first event, and they also recently announced in the

1012
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:07,840
last few days that they have an output deal now

1013
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:09,360
with the Zone, so their events will be on his

1014
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:12,679
owne including this Michael Colin fight. They're also the promoters

1015
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:15,800
which will come a couple of weeks later. They're promoting

1016
00:46:16,639 --> 00:46:21,800
the fight between Deontay Wilder and Derek Chasauris. So they've

1017
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:24,599
got their deal and they've got Michael Colin coming back.

1018
00:46:24,679 --> 00:46:26,760
If he wins, they hope to line him up for

1019
00:46:27,039 --> 00:46:29,800
another featherweight title fight. He's had two opportunities. He's come

1020
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:32,360
up short, but Michael is a.

1021
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 2: Popular that one knockout.

1022
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:37,639
Speaker 3: He definitely not destroyed in both knockouts. Concerning yes, when

1023
00:46:37,639 --> 00:46:39,079
he fought for the title he got he.

1024
00:46:39,159 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 2: Got knocked out of the ring by Lee Would right.

1025
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 3: That was the fighter that was a knockout of there

1026
00:46:43,519 --> 00:46:45,920
that one year. He was winning the fight eleventh round,

1027
00:46:46,159 --> 00:46:48,360
they get to the twelfth round, he gets you know,

1028
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:49,840
I guess it was a twelve round. I forget it

1029
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:51,760
was the eleventh of the twelfth. But he gets flattened

1030
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:53,840
out of the ring. Knock out of the year, and

1031
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:57,159
in his other title shot against Luis albert A Lopez,

1032
00:46:57,199 --> 00:47:00,840
he got knocked out pretty rough also, but those are

1033
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:04,559
his losses in terms of the knockouts. And he goes again,

1034
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:06,119
you're really fucking cranky today.

1035
00:47:06,639 --> 00:47:10,039
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, Uh, there's concern, there's concern for him,

1036
00:47:10,079 --> 00:47:11,679
but he's back. Uh.

1037
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:13,599
Speaker 2: And this is just another example.

1038
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:15,880
Speaker 3: The main thing is he's not being overmatched at all.

1039
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:17,920
Speaker 1: Yes, you push back on me when I say these

1040
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:20,199
guys never retire like Terrence Crawford, And I said to you,

1041
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:22,559
I will believe in December of this year, one year later,

1042
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:25,880
December of this year, ten more months that he's retired

1043
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:27,599
if he's not fighting anybody else or signed to fight

1044
00:47:27,639 --> 00:47:28,159
anybody else.

1045
00:47:28,159 --> 00:47:31,440
Speaker 2: And you love to get cranky with me, he's retired.

1046
00:47:31,519 --> 00:47:32,400
Speaker 3: Who are you talking about.

1047
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:33,760
Speaker 2: I'm talking about Crawford.

1048
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:34,920
Speaker 3: I'm just kidding.

1049
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:36,559
Speaker 2: The example, these guys don't retire.

1050
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:39,639
Speaker 3: If I wouldn't be shocked if Crawford came back. I

1051
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:42,880
never said anything about that. But Michael Common didn't retire.

1052
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:44,079
You made it sound like he retired.

1053
00:47:44,159 --> 00:47:46,440
Speaker 1: He did retire, but there was a point in time

1054
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:47,639
when he said I'm retired and then.

1055
00:47:47,599 --> 00:47:50,519
Speaker 3: A while ago. But he's fought and after his last fight,

1056
00:47:50,559 --> 00:47:51,920
it's not like he said I'm retired. He won the

1057
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:54,719
fight and every expectation was he would he would be

1058
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:59,000
back in now in March. All right, fights in a row.

1059
00:47:59,199 --> 00:47:59,519
All right.

1060
00:47:59,559 --> 00:48:03,119
Speaker 1: One other item too, and that's most valuable. Promotions continues.

1061
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:08,599
They're rolling out of women's world title fights and cards

1062
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:11,960
and they now have won for the UK. What is

1063
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:14,000
the update here with the announcement they had late in

1064
00:48:14,039 --> 00:48:15,119
the week, So this.

1065
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:17,519
Speaker 3: Is sort of interesting. First of all, this will be

1066
00:48:17,559 --> 00:48:20,559
their first time doing an event in England, which is

1067
00:48:20,679 --> 00:48:23,119
significant for any promotion when they take it on the road.

1068
00:48:23,559 --> 00:48:27,199
There's been a tremendous men of speculation and I think

1069
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:28,639
it's going to be accurate that they're going to have

1070
00:48:28,679 --> 00:48:31,800
at least an output deal with Sky Sports in the UK. Remember,

1071
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:36,320
sky Sports has been a traditional boxing location for boxing

1072
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:39,400
on television in the UK for decades and decades. They've

1073
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:42,760
worked with Mattroom previously, They've worked with Frank Ward in

1074
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:45,039
the past. They've worked with a variety of promoters through

1075
00:48:45,079 --> 00:48:49,800
the years. Top Rank, their ESPN shows were simulcast over there,

1076
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:52,599
or they had their international version that appeared on Sky.

1077
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:55,599
They have a great, great boxing history with fighters like

1078
00:48:55,679 --> 00:48:58,880
Lennox Lewis and Prince Nasima Med and Joel Kalzaki, En

1079
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:02,000
Ricky had and all the big superstars. Uh. Back in

1080
00:49:02,039 --> 00:49:03,840
the day they did tons of fights with guys like

1081
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:06,840
Chris you Bank and Nigel Ben you name it. Anyway,

1082
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:11,440
uh MVP. They are it seems headed towards that kind

1083
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:13,599
of arrangement where their events will be on Sky in

1084
00:49:13,639 --> 00:49:16,039
the UK. This card is going to take place in

1085
00:49:16,079 --> 00:49:19,440
London at the Olympia. It will be on Sky. Whether

1086
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:20,960
they have a long term deal or not, this is

1087
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:23,079
on Sky and they put together if you are a

1088
00:49:23,079 --> 00:49:26,639
women's box again, particularly of in the UK, a very

1089
00:49:26,679 --> 00:49:29,840
interesting main event. They have Caroline Dubois, the younger sister

1090
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:32,880
of Daniel Dubois, who you hate. H she is in

1091
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:33,519
a unifade.

1092
00:49:33,599 --> 00:49:35,440
Speaker 2: Daniel dubats just uninteresting.

1093
00:49:35,559 --> 00:49:38,079
Speaker 1: I know you're trying to needle me. His sister has

1094
00:49:38,199 --> 00:49:41,320
done more in the last two years than Daniel Dubois has.

1095
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 3: That is not true, because he beat Anthony Joshua.

1096
00:49:44,639 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 1: He beats the remnants of Anthony Joshua after twice.

1097
00:49:50,039 --> 00:49:52,440
Speaker 3: You're saying that Caroline has done more than than.

1098
00:49:52,519 --> 00:49:55,039
Speaker 1: Dame's won three title fights fights.

1099
00:49:55,119 --> 00:49:58,199
Speaker 3: That's a joke. She hasn't really fought elite fighters. Come on, dude,

1100
00:49:58,599 --> 00:50:00,519
let's be serious here. I feel like I'm talking to

1101
00:50:00,559 --> 00:50:03,599
one of my dummies on Twitter right now. Anyway, but

1102
00:50:03,679 --> 00:50:05,920
go ahead, all right. So she's in a good fight.

1103
00:50:06,159 --> 00:50:09,960
She's defending her WBC lightweight women's title against the WBO

1104
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:14,000
women's champion. Who's defending your title, Terry Harper. Two well

1105
00:50:14,039 --> 00:50:17,039
known British fighters to women who are among the best

1106
00:50:17,039 --> 00:50:19,840
of the of the certainly of that division, but in

1107
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:22,280
all of women's boxing. That will be the main event.

1108
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:23,960
So this is a good matchup. This is, like I said,

1109
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:26,159
two of the top female boxers in England, two of

1110
00:50:26,159 --> 00:50:29,239
the top female boxers in the world. Caroline is still

1111
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:32,159
on the rise. She was an Olympian. She's only twenty

1112
00:50:32,159 --> 00:50:34,559
five years old. She's already you know, she only got

1113
00:50:34,559 --> 00:50:37,719
twelve thirteen fight she's twelve oh to one with five knockouts.

1114
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:42,239
And Terry Harper has been in some significant fights over

1115
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:44,079
there too. So anyway, this is as a main event.

1116
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:46,440
This is sort of like kind of one of those fights.

1117
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:48,480
This kind of has to happen. You've got two quality

1118
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:52,519
British champions in the same division. They're both recent signees

1119
00:50:52,559 --> 00:50:56,320
of MVP, who's been loading up their roster. They've got

1120
00:50:57,320 --> 00:50:58,079
up on that point.

1121
00:50:58,559 --> 00:51:01,360
Speaker 1: To follow up on that point, no one can dispute

1122
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:04,920
that Jake Paul has said for two years we are

1123
00:51:05,039 --> 00:51:08,679
going to ramp up women's boxing world title fights and

1124
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:12,400
their dollars, their money, their profile, the stage they're on,

1125
00:51:12,519 --> 00:51:15,400
and this is another example. They're not paying us to

1126
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:18,079
say this. We don't work for MVP. We're not there

1127
00:51:18,079 --> 00:51:20,599
are but this is another example that they're putting on

1128
00:51:21,039 --> 00:51:24,199
world title female fight cards with multiple world titles on

1129
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:27,760
these different cards. So they're following through with what they

1130
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:29,039
said they were gonna do on that.

1131
00:51:29,159 --> 00:51:31,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's cool. I mean again, if you like

1132
00:51:31,079 --> 00:51:33,800
women's boxing, you know MVP. I've said this a thousand times.

1133
00:51:34,039 --> 00:51:36,880
There's no question that they are the leader in that

1134
00:51:37,159 --> 00:51:39,440
part of the industry. And so that's the main event

1135
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:42,320
that we were just talking about with a Dubois against

1136
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:44,639
Terry Harper. The co feature that they'll have on the

1137
00:51:44,679 --> 00:51:47,119
card is also you know, a pretty solid fight. You

1138
00:51:47,159 --> 00:51:51,239
have England's Elie Scotti, who was eleven and zero and

1139
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:54,280
she has three of the titles at junior featherweight, the WBC,

1140
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:56,960
the WBO and the IBF. She will take on the

1141
00:51:57,039 --> 00:52:01,679
Mexican fighter who was the WBA older Mayelie Flores, so

1142
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:04,400
they will fight for the undisputed championship. So anytime you

1143
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:06,679
have undisputed in any division, whether your male or female,

1144
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:09,559
is always a good thing. And for then besides that,

1145
00:52:09,599 --> 00:52:13,000
you also have Shantal Cameron, who is also one of

1146
00:52:13,079 --> 00:52:15,079
the top female boxers in the world. She's been the

1147
00:52:15,159 --> 00:52:18,440
undisputed champion at junior welterweight, where she split two fights

1148
00:52:18,639 --> 00:52:21,039
with Katie Taylor in Fight of the Year caliber fights

1149
00:52:21,199 --> 00:52:24,239
handed Katie only lost. This fight will be at junior

1150
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:27,280
middleweight and she will be fighting for the vacant WBO

1151
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:31,920
title against an Austrian fighter named Mikhaela Costakova. And then

1152
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:34,199
for a good measure, you want to throw on one

1153
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:38,039
more title fight if you sure, it's the Irma Garcia

1154
00:52:38,079 --> 00:52:41,840
defending the IBF Junior danamweight women's title against the undefeated

1155
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:45,440
brit Emma Dolan. That will be the fourth of those

1156
00:52:45,519 --> 00:52:47,960
four title bounds, so you know, and it's going to

1157
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:49,719
be on sky, it's not paper or anything like that.

1158
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:52,880
So you know, MVP, they put on plenty of good

1159
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:55,840
cards that involve women's fights and men's fights. Obviously their

1160
00:52:55,840 --> 00:53:00,320
expertise and their forte has become women's boxing, and they

1161
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:02,880
are not in any way concerned about matching these women

1162
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:05,599
up with other top quality opponents. I feel like when

1163
00:53:05,599 --> 00:53:08,679
they put these fights on, they're not trying to like

1164
00:53:09,679 --> 00:53:12,119
trying to get easy soft touches for their fighters. Now,

1165
00:53:12,119 --> 00:53:14,000
it's one thing if you coming, you sign with them

1166
00:53:14,039 --> 00:53:15,480
and you get a fight to sort of shake off

1167
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:17,440
the russ or whatever, but it's it's not like a

1168
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:19,480
long wait. You get a fight and then right away

1169
00:53:19,519 --> 00:53:23,119
they're putting you into like legitimate matchups and looking a

1170
00:53:23,199 --> 00:53:26,480
crown unified champions, undisputed champions, and they do a good

1171
00:53:26,519 --> 00:53:28,960
job with that. So I really like the Caroline Dabwa

1172
00:53:29,119 --> 00:53:31,480
Terry Harper fight. I'm you know, as I've said many times,

1173
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I'm not like the huge women's fight. Man. I respect

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00:53:34,039 --> 00:53:36,599
what they do, but I'm interested in seeing do against

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00:53:36,639 --> 00:53:38,960
Terry Harper. I think that's a very interesting matchup.

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Speaker 1: Very good. There is a lot for this Super Bowl Sunday.

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00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:45,559
I say again at the end of the podcast, we

1178
00:53:45,599 --> 00:53:47,559
did this before the game was played. So whether the

1179
00:53:47,559 --> 00:53:50,400
game is good, whether it's awful, whether it's one of

1180
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:52,559
the craziest finishes ever, you and I don't know that

1181
00:53:52,679 --> 00:53:54,360
as we release this Saturday, and to say, all I

1182
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:57,280
do know is your Giants got the better of Brady

1183
00:53:57,320 --> 00:53:59,199
and Belichick and the Patriots a couple of times in

1184
00:53:59,199 --> 00:54:02,000
the Super Bowl. You have that going for you.

1185
00:54:02,559 --> 00:54:04,119
Speaker 3: Saturday, fifteen years oh TJ.

1186
00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:06,960
Speaker 1: Speaking of sorry, yeah, you've been dry for a while.

1187
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:09,920
Speaking of anniversaries, Tom Brady came to my Buccaneers in

1188
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:13,360
the fifth anniversary of that Super Bowl win was yesterday,

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00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:16,519
as we do the podcast, February the seventh, on Saturday,

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00:54:16,559 --> 00:54:19,119
I was there as part of the Buccaneer broadcast Surreal.

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00:54:19,679 --> 00:54:23,280
Speaker 3: You know, it was the anniversary of the Giants victory

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00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:25,920
against They had two victories against the Patriots. So every

1193
00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:27,760
time I pop up with my social and I follow

1194
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:31,119
a lot of Giants related handles, I see like the

1195
00:54:31,199 --> 00:54:34,400
highlights of you know, the David Tyree catch off the

1196
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:39,840
helmet and burst with the title winning touchdown catch. Living

1197
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:40,760
in the old memories of those.

1198
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:43,199
Speaker 1: Now I'll t one up for you. I'll put it

1199
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:45,480
on a platter, I believe, you.

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00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:45,760
Speaker 3: Know, what.

1201
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:49,719
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna taint it. Eli Manning did not get

1202
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:51,119
in the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

1203
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:52,280
Speaker 3: Ridiculous.

1204
00:54:52,599 --> 00:54:55,800
Speaker 1: Now the knock is five hundred career record through a

1205
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:59,920
lot of interceptions. He did, doesn't have all time stats,

1206
00:55:01,199 --> 00:55:04,159
you know what, But I'm with you. I believe those

1207
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:10,159
postseason wins and beating the uh what eighteen and oh.

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00:55:10,159 --> 00:55:11,920
Speaker 2: Patriots that matters.

1209
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:15,920
Speaker 1: The fact that they won the game at Lambeau in

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00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:19,599
the freezing cold against far just to get to that game.

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He has three or four monster postseason games.

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Speaker 3: It's not just the game.

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00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:31,360
Speaker 1: I think that that outweighs whether his career stacks up

1214
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:32,280
the same level.

1215
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:35,639
Speaker 3: On the career another quarterback, Eli Manning to me and I, okay,

1216
00:55:35,679 --> 00:55:37,119
I'm in the tank because I'm a Giants fan. In

1217
00:55:37,119 --> 00:55:39,599
Eli is probably my top two or three all time

1218
00:55:39,639 --> 00:55:44,280
favorite Giants. He has Of all the players who are eligible,

1219
00:55:45,039 --> 00:55:48,840
he's the only quarterback with fifty thousand yards plus that's

1220
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:51,360
not in Hall of Fame. Interesting, he's the only two

1221
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:54,960
times Super Bowl MVP other than Jim Punkett who's not

1222
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:57,280
in the Hall of Fame. Interesting and Plunkett, I don't

1223
00:55:57,320 --> 00:55:58,119
think you know.

1224
00:55:58,039 --> 00:55:59,599
Speaker 2: He's probably not getting in at this.

1225
00:55:59,519 --> 00:56:01,639
Speaker 3: Point, I mean, he doesn't really belong. I mean, no,

1226
00:56:01,679 --> 00:56:04,079
you can't take away what he didn't in the Super Bowls,

1227
00:56:04,119 --> 00:56:06,760
but just not a Hall of Famer. But but Manning

1228
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:08,960
has the two Super Bowl MVPs. And here's a here's

1229
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:10,679
an amazing stat I didn't even know this until I

1230
00:56:10,679 --> 00:56:14,159
started reading some of the the discussions about, you know,

1231
00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:17,320
him not making it this time. Do you know that

1232
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:20,320
Eli Manning for winning two Super Bowls and being the

1233
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:23,679
MVP in both games, and having incredible stats and tons

1234
00:56:23,679 --> 00:56:26,440
of touchdown passes in the all time rankings of TV

1235
00:56:26,599 --> 00:56:29,119
passes and on a on a yardage and all that

1236
00:56:29,199 --> 00:56:33,159
all the top statistical playoffs in the regular season. Also

1237
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:37,000
fifty thousand plus yards in the regular season. Also, he's

1238
00:56:37,159 --> 00:56:40,159
never in his entire career, he's he never had a

1239
00:56:40,159 --> 00:56:44,119
Hall of Fame teammate on either of those Super Bowl teams. Now,

1240
00:56:45,039 --> 00:56:47,639
look at Tom Brady on the Patriots, and I love

1241
00:56:47,679 --> 00:56:50,000
Tom Brady also even though uh, you know, he played

1242
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:52,079
for the Patriots, who I despise. But if you take

1243
00:56:52,079 --> 00:56:54,320
a look at the great quarterbacks who are in the

1244
00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:56,840
Hall of Fame, look at the and they won super Bowls.

1245
00:56:57,000 --> 00:56:58,599
Look at the players who they played with.

1246
00:56:59,119 --> 00:57:02,000
Speaker 1: Brady's Brady. These offensive teammates aren't in the Hall. It's

1247
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:03,119
his defensive teammates.

1248
00:57:03,119 --> 00:57:06,599
Speaker 3: Okay, but but but but Eli, I got you. But

1249
00:57:06,599 --> 00:57:07,000
he's got you.

1250
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:08,920
Speaker 1: Know you and I are. I'm on your side. You

1251
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:12,760
and iron agreement. Those post seasons in two thousand and eight,

1252
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:15,559
January of two thousand and eight and in January of

1253
00:57:15,599 --> 00:57:18,320
twenty ten. He's amazing in both of those I saw,

1254
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:20,800
and they took the Patriots down for the Super Bowl

1255
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:23,719
in both of them with him playing brilliantly, and both.

1256
00:57:23,559 --> 00:57:25,800
Speaker 3: Of thematically also, by the way, with the tyree and

1257
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:29,920
the man the thing that's also quite amazing to me.

1258
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:32,880
And again I was looking at the comparisons. Go look

1259
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:37,039
at the statistics compiled both playoff and regular season of

1260
00:57:37,039 --> 00:57:40,000
what Eli did, and then take a look at Troy Aikman,

1261
00:57:40,119 --> 00:57:42,840
who was annointed as an all time great Hall of Famer.

1262
00:57:43,159 --> 00:57:46,239
Eli Manning fucking blows him away in almost every single category,

1263
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:47,760
and they have the same number.

1264
00:57:47,679 --> 00:57:51,400
Speaker 1: Run argument, it's a different NFL modern that Eli was

1265
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:51,880
playing in.

1266
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:52,880
Speaker 3: Not that much different.

1267
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:55,639
Speaker 1: Well, a lot of the mentality in the nineties was

1268
00:57:55,679 --> 00:57:58,159
turnaround and hand the ball off, and you don't see

1269
00:57:58,199 --> 00:58:00,639
that nearly as much the last twenty of the NFL,

1270
00:58:00,639 --> 00:58:01,000
and they had.

1271
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:04,000
Speaker 3: Got in the Hall of Fame. He played with Lady

1272
00:58:04,159 --> 00:58:06,039
arguably the greatest running back in history.

1273
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:08,280
Speaker 2: And he had an amazing roster of other Hall of

1274
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:09,199
Fame players.

1275
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:11,679
Speaker 3: Michael Iran and who was the tight end that was

1276
00:58:11,719 --> 00:58:12,239
so good.

1277
00:58:12,039 --> 00:58:15,880
Speaker 1: I forget his name, Jane Novachik had tremendous but but

1278
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:21,639
he had defensive players like Kim Norton, like saying, you

1279
00:58:21,639 --> 00:58:25,400
look at the he's in, how is Eli not in?

1280
00:58:25,639 --> 00:58:28,840
Speaker 3: And and by the way, won two Super Bowls, also

1281
00:58:29,039 --> 00:58:31,760
was the MVP in two Super Bowl games. Eli Manning

1282
00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:33,280
not being in as a joke, but I think it's

1283
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:37,719
really a testament to how fucking ridiculous and horrible the

1284
00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:40,760
entire system of Hall of Fame voting is for the NFL.

1285
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:43,239
Because a guy like Belichick couldn't get in the Hall

1286
00:58:43,239 --> 00:58:45,639
of Fame. Who's I don't even think it's like fucking.

1287
00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:47,360
Speaker 2: They're gonna they're gonna revamp the system.

1288
00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:49,320
Speaker 3: Probably the best coach of all time, he got.

1289
00:58:49,119 --> 00:58:50,920
Speaker 1: Every you know, but there you go.

1290
00:58:51,159 --> 00:58:54,079
Speaker 3: So there's some good against Eli's giants, by the way.

1291
00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:56,079
Speaker 1: Yes, uh, there you go.

1292
00:58:56,199 --> 00:58:58,639
Speaker 3: Some good good the boxing football podcast.

1293
00:58:58,599 --> 00:58:59,199
Speaker 2: But it's both.

1294
00:58:59,679 --> 00:59:01,760
Speaker 1: It's Do you want my quick story that I got

1295
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:04,519
a standing ovation at Super Bowl thirty seven when the

1296
00:59:04,519 --> 00:59:06,039
Bucks won in San Diego. You want to hear about

1297
00:59:06,079 --> 00:59:06,519
my standing O?

1298
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:09,920
Speaker 2: Sure, here's what happened. TJ Local.

1299
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:12,840
Speaker 1: I'm going third person local broadcaster in Tampa Bay as

1300
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:15,760
the five day a week morning show host. I'm also

1301
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:18,679
the play by play guy in basketball for the University

1302
00:59:18,679 --> 00:59:21,519
of South Florida in Tampa the Saturday night before the

1303
00:59:21,559 --> 00:59:26,039
Super Bowl in San Diego, California, Rayfield. This is January

1304
00:59:26,039 --> 00:59:30,760
of two thousand and three USF basketball playing in Greenville,

1305
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:35,440
North Carolina. Are you familiar with the thriving metropolis of Greenville,

1306
00:59:35,519 --> 00:59:40,559
North Carolina, the home of East Carolina University, which is Maybury,

1307
00:59:40,679 --> 00:59:43,559
RFD Andy Griffiths show. It's in the middle of nowhere,

1308
00:59:43,719 --> 00:59:47,039
North Carolina, right by the Atlantic Ocean. Okay, that is

1309
00:59:47,079 --> 00:59:51,239
a long stinking way from San Diego, California. And I'm

1310
00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:55,480
in Greenville for a night game the Saturday night before

1311
00:59:55,559 --> 00:59:58,599
Super Bowl thirty seven in San Diego. So i gotta

1312
00:59:58,599 --> 01:00:00,519
get out of Greenville after the game in the middle

1313
01:00:00,519 --> 01:00:02,559
of the night and get to Raleigh, which is ninety

1314
01:00:02,559 --> 01:00:05,840
minutes away by car. I fly from Raleigh to Atlanta

1315
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:08,840
on the first flight at seven am. I get to

1316
01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:12,079
Atlanta at nine am. I'm now on a ten am

1317
01:00:12,199 --> 01:00:14,920
flight to get to San Diego. My Buccaneer boss, I

1318
01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:18,679
shout him out, is Jeff Ryan of the Buccaneer Radio network.

1319
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:21,119
He's my boss at that time and still is my

1320
01:00:21,199 --> 01:00:26,239
boss back now some twenty three years ago. And he's

1321
01:00:26,360 --> 01:00:30,880
telling the NFL people, my guy is coming to the

1322
01:00:31,239 --> 01:00:34,280
credential area at the Convention Center. He will be there.

1323
01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:37,880
He's on the way. I land in San Diego. I

1324
01:00:38,039 --> 01:00:41,599
contact Jeff, he contacts the people. He's on the way.

1325
01:00:41,679 --> 01:00:43,920
He's at the airport. He's getting into a cab. Uber

1326
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:47,960
didn't exist. I get to the downtown San Diego Convention

1327
01:00:48,039 --> 01:00:49,199
Center flight on time.

1328
01:00:49,679 --> 01:00:51,000
Speaker 2: I get there about.

1329
01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:54,320
Speaker 1: Three Eastern time, about three point fifteen, three hours before kickoff.

1330
01:00:54,719 --> 01:00:59,960
When I walk into the cavernous credential area, big massive area,

1331
01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:01,800
woman stops me at the door and she says, are

1332
01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:03,960
you She points ut at me, Are you TJ with

1333
01:01:04,039 --> 01:01:04,760
the Buccaneers?

1334
01:01:05,079 --> 01:01:05,880
Speaker 2: And I said yes.

1335
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:10,840
Speaker 1: Five people stand up and start slapping. I am the

1336
01:01:11,039 --> 01:01:15,519
last credential for Super Bowl thirty seven. They can leave

1337
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:20,639
Raphael standing oh is because they can leave because I

1338
01:01:20,719 --> 01:01:24,519
have gotten there. I am of the thousands of credentials

1339
01:01:24,519 --> 01:01:25,159
they gave out.

1340
01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:27,719
Speaker 2: I was the last one that night.

1341
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:30,880
Speaker 1: I now have to get on a media bus that

1342
01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:34,119
I barely made. That's the last media bus. Get out

1343
01:01:34,119 --> 01:01:36,840
to Old what is what? Old Jack Murphy Stadium for

1344
01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:39,880
the game. I get there about ninety minutes before kickoff.

1345
01:01:39,880 --> 01:01:42,039
It takes an hour. This is post nine to eleven.

1346
01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:44,800
It takes an hour with security, etc. To get in

1347
01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:46,639
and get in my seat. And I wouldn't have traded

1348
01:01:46,639 --> 01:01:48,920
it for anything. I got a standing oh at the

1349
01:01:48,920 --> 01:01:51,639
super Bowl. The Bucks blew out the then Oakland Raiders

1350
01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:54,079
in the super Bowl, and I got a standing oh

1351
01:01:54,239 --> 01:01:57,639
twenty three that I don't know, but I got a

1352
01:01:57,639 --> 01:01:59,119
standing out at the super Bowl, and I thought i'd

1353
01:01:59,119 --> 01:01:59,880
tell that story.

1354
01:01:59,679 --> 01:01:59,920
Speaker 3: To end it.

1355
01:02:00,159 --> 01:02:02,280
Speaker 2: Just like Rayfield, he gets standing os everywhere he goes.

1356
01:02:02,639 --> 01:02:07,199
Speaker 1: He comes into the room. Listen, good stuff here. Again,

1357
01:02:07,239 --> 01:02:08,960
we have no idea how the game was.

1358
01:02:09,159 --> 01:02:09,800
Speaker 2: You all know that.

1359
01:02:09,880 --> 01:02:12,599
Speaker 1: We don't know that when we put the boxing podcast out.

1360
01:02:12,639 --> 01:02:16,239
Coming off the weekend, read up on Dan Substack, more

1361
01:02:16,239 --> 01:02:18,440
on the Mayweather lawsuit, and many more things are going

1362
01:02:18,519 --> 01:02:20,320
to be coming and Dan will report on that. Read

1363
01:02:20,320 --> 01:02:22,719
the whole lawsuit on the substack, follow and subscribe there,

1364
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:27,280
get signed up following subscribe here on Apples, Creaker, Spotify,

1365
01:02:27,360 --> 01:02:29,079
Big Dan. Have a good week. We'll be in touch,

1366
01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:29,719
all right.

1367
01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:31,760
Speaker 3: DJ appreciate that there is Dan Rayfield.

1368
01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:33,880
Speaker 1: I am merely TJ Reeves. Thank you for being with

1369
01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:35,719
us on the Fight Preach to Night Recap podcast