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named Grant Hughes. We are coming at you with our

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final preseason podcast package. The Raptors look Ahead is coming

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and we'll drop on Tuesday. But this is mine and

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The regular season is here, Grant, which means it's awards time.

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But first the question is twofold, how the heck are you?

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And two? How are we already here?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Right? This is the last, but also the first,

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because we'll come back to these. However, many times we

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decide as necessary. I think we did it like quarterly

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last year, where we did an awards check in. These

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are tough, man, because it feels I don't know if

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you felt this way, but it's almost like, well, how

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much do you really want to change from how you

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ended last year? Because there haven't been any games since then,

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so what would be different? It doesn't have to fight

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to make sure you don't just replicate your final ballot,

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or at least I did or know how you felt

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Speaker 1: It was for certain awards, yeah, but then other awards.

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It's injuries take care of it. Not just players are

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out now. But okay, Luka Dancich is probably going to

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factor into the MVP discussion more this year than he

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did last year, so there's some natural shifting there. I

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always struggle with how to project improvement to where if

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good or is on the precipice of whatever award, I

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I'm just conditioned to think that until they're in the

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mainstream of that discussion, that I'm too far ahead of

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them and it's stupid to include them.

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Speaker 2: Well, there's a payoff if you do get it right

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and you get to say had this before the season,

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Speaker 1: Is there any team or player or something that stands

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out that you were so or like a really big

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hit to where you were just so early on them

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and in hindsight it makes you look like a borderline genius.

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Speaker 2: If that's nice. No, I will say it's definitely not.

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feel there's certain fan bases that I feel like are

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willing to give me a little bit more leeway when

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they disagree with me than others. And the Sons do

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spring to mind a little bit. The Thunder for sure,

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because I think at the time when everyone was saying

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they're gonna be fine. But the player, the player and team,

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they've always been, by and large really nice to me.

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were no, Nicola jokicch is really good. This is not

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was you're going way back, well it's way way back,

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but to where people even when he was on his own,

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like they made the what was the date, probably December

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twelfth or whatever it ends up being, But there was

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this resistance to thinking that Jokic could be an MVP

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or how is he winning MVPs when you couldn't build

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a title contender around him? And at every step and

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since I've been doing this is just I was early

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on Jokic and refuse to cause I'm I'm pretty impressionable,

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you had something to do that.

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forty four million dollar contract coming off the ankle stuff

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eleven million dollars a year by today's standard, So that

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this is a huge risk and there's a good chance

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this doesn't pay off, because like what because if there's

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look at this history, like you you can't count on

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him to play all these games. He's been great, you know.

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their their second deals. Well yeah that But then with him,

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sort of I was too close to it, and I

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remember like, as it's all happening, you know, those first

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couple of the first championship, it was just like I

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can't believe this is happening. This is like this is

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too impossible. So I can't I can't claim to have

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win that title. So cuts both of them were.

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Speaker 1: To give you the credit so you won't give it

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to yourself. And I don't know how much of this

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has to do with just you know, your alumni ties,

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but you were on j dub before he even suit

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it up for the Thunder.

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Speaker 2: There's definitely some alumni ties. But I will say, like

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like this guy just kind of has it. So I'll

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Speaker 2: Not too late, listen, it's early days, Dan, there's so

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much ahead of him.

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than by talking about Cody Willie. So our MVP ballot's

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just as a reminder. We do this as who we

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think we are going to pick. We're not necessarily trying

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to predict who is going to win. We go five

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deep on MVP and then we go three deep everywhere else.

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name someone who a dark horse, a long shot candidate

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who if we were to build a ballot right now,

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or if the consensus was to build a ballot right now,

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they would not be in the top ten. But we're

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trying to map out up we could see a pathway, however,

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unlikely to them entering the conversation with that. Would you

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like to take us through your MVP ballot ballot sir, yep.

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Speaker 2: So I've got Jokic first, just a you know, maybe

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the game's played is an issue. I want to try

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to stay away from that unless it's like a real

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obvious case, like hypothetically if we had MBT on here

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or something, which we don't, but like if there's a

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massive question mark about injuries, that's worth mentioning. I assume

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he's going to play fifty sixty five games. Maybe he does,

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but like he's the best player in the world. I

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don't think that's changed. SGA's MVP was valid last year,

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like fine deserved it. I think I just am taking

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Jokic as the best player. I don't think that's changed.

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I have Luca second. And this is where the narrative

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think the Lakers are going to win fifty games, and

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triple double. I think Luca could absolutely do that, and

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the Lakers are the sixth seed and that's enough. I

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think he's gonna have a monster year. I've come around

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to the the best shape of his life thing. I

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little less. He'll just he'll still be great. Steph at four,

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Speaker 1: And you're like usual suspects, just usual suspects.

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I don't know, you know, so give me, give me,

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give me yours. And because we have quite a bit

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Speaker 1: There, I have jokicet one and I've shay it too.

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this is how I ended last season. I don't see

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any reason to believe that someone's going to just infringe

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upon the stature in importance that they hold to their teams.

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Nuggets are deeper, but those are still two guys that

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are just responsible for literally everything basically happened or offensively

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three and so this is where the projecting forward to,

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where I know I mentioned him. He might have been

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fifth on my ballot, and we talked about him with

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first team All NBA last year, so it's not like

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I'm rushing to coordinate. He might just continue to get

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better on offense. And no matter how you feel about Oh,

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and even if everyone was healthy, probably would have finished

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no lower than third on that ballot. Anyway, there's he

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might end up being the best offensive and defensive player

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on his team this season. I don't want to predict

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that because Donovan, Mitchell and Cleveland all respect in the

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world for him, but there's a chance that he does that.

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of being that. Wemby probably right. So I have it at

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three because I think that he is just what he does.

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he does at both ends of the floor, is going

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to be such a huge factor of not just winning,

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but for what could be or what should be the

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best team in the Eastern Conference. Wemb at four. I

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shouldn't have to justify this, but in my head, you

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and I just did our over unders and the Spurs

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could very well just be a five hundred team or worse.

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a team that isn't going to be top six in

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the conference? The answer in reality is no. I don't

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have him as the actual MVP, though, but I don't

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know how to penalize him for the minutes he's not

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on the floor. This is just if he plays in

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sixty five games, he's going to win Defensive Player of

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the Year. The Spurs are going to win the minutes

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when he's on the court. That if they start losing

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this conversation. I also think if we're looking at voters

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get past three, it's I don't need to be all

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how much I scre assign value to that stance anyway,

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but that's part of it. And then Steph, Steph, excuse me,

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and that he is still going to be the primary

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there where you could say, oh, they're gonna win the minutes,

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the Wimby case, and because we both have him or

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you're talking and then that's sort of like it's circular logic.

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defensive player of the year and like a superstar on offense,

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and if he's a superstar on offensive defensive player of

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the year, they're probably winning fifty. It kind of just

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like that's a reality that can be, that's on that's possible.

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with Kevin Durant and like a semi close to the

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prime Andre Godala and that version of the team. It's

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hard to say this, but in a lot of ways,

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he's set up to succeed at least as well as

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he's been since then, and maybe as well just because

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of Butler's ability to take games over and attract attention,

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and then the Horford up piece of it, where they've

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never had that kind of spacing and passing from like

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a true center. So there are possibilities for Steph to

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just like it's never gonna be easy for him because

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I don't care who else is out there, He's always

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getting like first option attention. But maybe a little less

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and maybe that means he gets like two more clean

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looks at night. I mean, just that's something to just consider,

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and it went into my thinking for sure.

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Speaker 1: Did anyone in fact? Well, actually, how do you feel

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to stick with the top five we have? How do

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you feel about this prediction? It came from Adamadas of

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the NVR Sports. He thinks that Jokic is gonna have

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he did this once, have a true shooting percentage north

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of seventy. Thinks he could because that his scoring burden

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won't need to be as high and he'll be able

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to be more selective with his shots. And so it's

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Jokis is already the most efficient twenty plus points per

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game score in NBA history because of that true shooting

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percentage of seventy point one. I think it was it

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was the championship season. What do you think of the

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idea that he could just be more efficient than that?

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Speaker 2: It's hard to imagine, because, as you said, nobody ever

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has really at that volume. But I could see it,

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I guess I would before I bought all the way

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into that. This doesn't diminish it. MVP case I have

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him first, just like you, I would need to be

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convinced that the remade bench actually does have more self

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sufficient scoring or something, just because like, what's the case

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for him? Why is it easier for him? Now? I

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think a lot of that rides on the bench and

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maybe on like just better health from the starters, because

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like MPJ attracted a ton of attention and like I

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think Cam Johnson might be similar in that regard. So

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I mean, I'm not putting anything past Jocic. I'm just

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not sure I see that like the a to be like,

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why why is this roster going to allow him to

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do that?

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Speaker 1: When looking at trust my top five, I have Luca

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considered this, especially if there are any good the narrative

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bumpfre Giannis, if he's having a usual type season, that

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could really put him in here. Any other names I

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obviously thought about Jalen Brunson, but it feels like his

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counting stats might take a hit, And so maybe there's

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the trade office. Well if they look better or people

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think that their offense is more play off proof, does

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he get some love? Affy Edwards was another mother name

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I thought about. Was there anyone that you gave real

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consideration to in the top five?

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Speaker 2: Mobiley was a hard was a hard cut for me.

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I just I kind of I had to have Luca

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in there and you don't, And that's was the difference

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for me. Edwards, you mentioned trying to think if we're

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overlooking anybody really obvious, like you can't really do either

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of the other two thunder Stars because it'll just be

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SGA if they're great. I can't get a rocket on there.

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Speaker 1: Who would be the rocket?

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Speaker 2: I mean, well, do you want to get get nuts?

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It just is it Thompson, Is that.

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Speaker 1: It reach Shepherd because I'm round, there's.

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Speaker 2: Levels of nuts that we could get to with the rockets.

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I mean, Shan Goon will probably be I mean, he

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certainly had the best season of anyone last year, and

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he's young enough to get better. But Thompson just this

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is the whole thing with Thompson is just if you know,

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he's probably the best defensive wing in the league, and

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what if he also averages twenty and seven? You know, like,

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what do you do with that?

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Speaker 1: I think the pathway for Shangoon to be the rocket

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on the ballot is actually easier because it's it's he's closer,

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he's closer, and but it also feels it's easier to

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make the case for someone who's driving the entire offense

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and then not hurting the defense or playing good defense,

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rather than with Thompson. It does feel like defense is

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going to have to be the basis of his case

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for the most right.

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Speaker 2: It is a funny thing with awards where if you're

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a defense driven player, they're like, oh, well we got

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an award for that. We don't need to we don't

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need to make it about you know.

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Speaker 1: The MVP is really kind of first, I guess Wemby

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is is he an exception or is it just is

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But we're just saying we just went through like he's

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a lock for Defensive Player of the Year and he's

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no higher than fourth for either of us, So clearly,

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you know, the way for him to win MVP.

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Speaker 2: Is to become one of the ten best offensive players

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in the league.

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Speaker 1: Are you ready to reveal our with a twist? Select

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go through yours first?

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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know how much a twist it is.

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I feel these are really hard to get two into

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the weeds with Palla Bank, Arrow is Mine the Magic.

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I think are probably the third best team in the

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East right now, and maybe if they're maybe if they

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somehow bust into that top two and he is, I

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don't know, up around thirty points per game and it's

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slightly more efficient. The case kind of just makes itself

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like I'm just imagining the pieces that would need to

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come together for him to be there, and you know

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the magic are right there, like you know they they

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could be good enough even if they're the third seed

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if his numbers are crazy. It's so I can just

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kind of if you squint, like I could, I could

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see him having a better shot than you might think.

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And actually he's I don't know what he is in

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the odds is probably not that low.

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Speaker 1: I think that's an excellent selection, and it was also

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my selection, which is why I privoted for this sake

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of variety, I went with Scottie Barnes in Toronto. Again,

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this is the entire part of the exercise. What if

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Toronto's just fifth or six in the East. He's averaging

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twenty points six assists, playing excellent defense, the efficient he's

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shooting thirty seven percent from three unreasonable volume. The true

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shooting percentage is hovering around fifty eight fifteen nineteen, Like

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he's the best player on what might just be the

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most surprising team. It's probably a stretch just because five

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or six in the East, it's sort of all right,

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is that that's basically a lottery team right in most

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other cases? Yeah, Toronto just has a lot of talent.

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And if he has a I think he is going.

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If you gave me point five all NBA appearances for

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his career, I'm gonna take the over. So, like, what

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if they're just four, Like if they're just fourth, and

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because you have the Knicks, the Magic, the Hawks, the Calves,

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if they're just what if they want to be better

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than one of those teams, I don't think they will be,

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But that's the that would be the name I would circle.

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I tried to get to a Western Conference name, but

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none of them unless you were gonna put a rocket

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on it felt like they would be dark horse enough.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's hard because we have, i mean, our

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more serious portion of the ballot. It's like, well, Anthony Edwards,

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like he's I mean, you can't it's not a dark

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corn candidate at all. You really could win it. I see,

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I see the difficulty there.

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Speaker 1: Defensive Player of the Year, you want to take us

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through your ballot?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Wemby one. We've we've talked about it.

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Speaker 1: Just let's move on.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what else what would need to happen

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for him to not win this. It's other than injury,

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like if he's healthy, it's just I don't know, it's

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his He's just the most game changing defender maybe we've

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ever seen. Uh So that that's that's pretty straightforward. I

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I have Evan Mobley second, and I have im and

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Thompson third, which Thompson I think the thing I ran

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into that's tricky is it's pretty hard for a wing

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or like Marcus Smart as the only guard to win it.

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They're the only non big to win it in however,

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many since like Gary Payton or something or Kawhi. Yeah,

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it's rare, but I think Thompson is a rare defender.

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I like the other two guys you have after Wemby though,

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because I feel like that kind of gets us covered

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and the the more big man candidates.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I have Wemby WAE. I just don't what

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is that? What is what talent would you have to

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put around him to where the Spurs wouldn't have the

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equivalent of just the top five or ten defense with

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him on the court.

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Speaker 2: Uh, you would have to take a lot of Sacramento

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Kings off of the Kings and put them on the Spurs.

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Speaker 1: I think so Wemby one, I've bam Adebio two. I

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don't has he become underappreciated. I'm not basing this entirely

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off the GM survey either. It's just Miami reliably has

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a close to elite defense almost no matter who what

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personnel's on the team. And if he does it this year,

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when Tyler Hero and Norman Powell are presumably going to

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play together, and when it seems like he's going to

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play a bunch with Nikola Jovic rather than Kohlie Aware,

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who's not a great defender. But you can put him

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in kind of the basic center positions and then let

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Bam do a lot of the stuff on the perimeter.

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It feels like if this Heat team is like tenth

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or something in defense again, that he would have a

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really strong case non Wemby division. I also have your guy.

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I'm surprised you didn't have this guy, chet Holm Grin

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at three. We're kind of this. I'm not doing this,

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I swear, but I do think that if he's healthy

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he does feel like the player that's most likely to

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just both a thunder have one of the best defenses

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of all time. Somebody has to be in the top

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three of this ballot. But also, if you were to

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ask scientists to concoct the ideal defensive big man who's

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not Wemby that can't be Wemby and like make him

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in a lab, they'd probably spit out some version of

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bam Adebayo or chet Holmgrin.

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, I think I think those two guys for

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very much a consideration for me. I'm surprised to see

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you not have Mobiley up there giving your MVP take

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on him, which you know maybe is not totally defensively based.

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But anybody else that we need to like give you know,

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short list consideration two or that you thought about in

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one of these top three spots, I have a couple.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, give me give me where my list was not

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short of the names I considered.

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Speaker 2: I think if you, if you get games played cleared,

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Draymond probably should be in consideration if the Warriors are

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as good as some people think. And he was third

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last year, so I you know, I haven't seen too

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many signs of drop off for him I had. I

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had Bam as another guy that I definitely considered pretty

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strongly in CHET too. The games played for CHET might

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be who you know? Who knows, but yeah, I couldn't.

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Did you get any other wings in the mix? Or

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maybe the question is about Thompson? Was he someone you

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thought about?

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Speaker 1: I did. Thompson was on my list. He's so wipe.

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My ballot does extend deeper. I have him fifth, I

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had mobile fourth for anyone who care. Jared Jackson Junior

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not a wing. Do we think he'll play in enough games?

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Or has he already been ruled out? That?

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Speaker 2: That was my reservation is where he's starting. You know

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he's not going to be out as long as Edie,

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but I don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't like.

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Speaker 2: If he's fully healthy, he's like a top five guy.

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But but I just we're gonna lose some games at

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the outset.

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Speaker 1: If we were looking at I don't want to spoil

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because we both have them in our dark dark horses.

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They're not bigs, so we won't get to that. But

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if we were to look at like a wing or

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a guard that isn't quite like that, it would have

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00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:57,920
the ability to win it. Jalen Suggs if he plays

476
00:21:58,079 --> 00:22:00,000
enough game feels like, given how good Orlando would be

477
00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:02,240
a defensive end I struggle to get to. I don't

478
00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:04,720
think Jayden McDaniels probably isn't at that level.

479
00:22:04,839 --> 00:22:09,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean Gobert takes some of his yeah splits

480
00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:11,720
the voters or it probably go Bart gets credit and

481
00:22:11,799 --> 00:22:13,960
not that it will be undeserved. If Minnesota is a

482
00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:17,279
really good defense, Asar Thompson, it's just to get the

483
00:22:17,279 --> 00:22:20,759
other Thompson on there. I think that's there's a shot. Yeah,

484
00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:23,200
I mean he's kind of wild CARDI I would say,

485
00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:24,000
not a.

486
00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:26,559
Speaker 1: Big I mean, not a wing. But if the Clippers

487
00:22:26,559 --> 00:22:29,000
are top five defense, again, it's probably because if it's

488
00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:30,839
Azubas is killing it, especially when you look at some

489
00:22:30,839 --> 00:22:33,079
of the lineups that are gonna be rolled out there.

490
00:22:33,279 --> 00:22:34,440
So that would be another good one.

491
00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:37,319
Speaker 2: We haven't said Dyson Daniels. I mean, you know, I

492
00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:39,559
think he's someone that you I don't think Dyson Daniels

493
00:22:39,559 --> 00:22:42,559
can win it, but just if he ever just three

494
00:22:42,559 --> 00:22:44,680
steals a game again, we're gonna have to talk about him.

495
00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:47,599
Speaker 1: Do you think, like what if I told you he

496
00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:50,920
played in sixty five games? Do you think Mitchell Robinson

497
00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:52,799
could work his way into the equation.

498
00:22:53,799 --> 00:22:56,559
Speaker 2: Even well, what is yeah if if the minutes are

499
00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:58,680
I think he would be subject to like.

500
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Speaker 1: I think the answer should be no, I don't I

501
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:02,720
just set.

502
00:23:02,599 --> 00:23:05,720
Speaker 2: Up by you set up in denial. That was like

503
00:23:05,759 --> 00:23:07,200
the Lucy and the Football thing.

504
00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:10,799
Speaker 1: I just it's too tough to get to the appearances

505
00:23:10,799 --> 00:23:12,759
in the minutes, and it feels like he's not gonna play,

506
00:23:12,799 --> 00:23:14,359
not only not play back to backs, but there just

507
00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:16,920
might be he's already missed time for load management, which

508
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,839
I think is smart. But I also don't like. What

509
00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:21,839
would the Knicks have to be defensively for people to

510
00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:24,000
take notice of someone playing twenty three to twenty five

511
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:27,400
minutes a game of that three right, And he's just

512
00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:29,880
not like I would think like Gobert would still have

513
00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:31,480
more of it. But Mitchell, you know what I mean?

514
00:23:31,599 --> 00:23:32,920
Does that make any sense? Like he's just not on

515
00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:35,400
the level of some of these same bigs. To me, Yeah, I.

516
00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:36,960
Speaker 2: Think the lesson is I got it. I can't just

517
00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:40,079
automatically yes, Andy, because I might just get just smacked.

518
00:23:40,799 --> 00:23:43,039
Speaker 1: It's nice. Were you considering my field? Did you really

519
00:23:43,079 --> 00:23:45,559
want to say, well, hell no, but you were trying

520
00:23:45,599 --> 00:23:46,359
to play, Kate, I was.

521
00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:48,480
Speaker 2: Gonna have some questions about the well you said sixty

522
00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:50,359
five games, and so then I'm like, well, I don't know,

523
00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:52,640
but the minutes are aren't going to be there. Let's

524
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:54,160
get to dark horses. This is kind of fun.

525
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:55,759
Speaker 1: Who is I have?

526
00:23:56,480 --> 00:24:00,319
Speaker 2: I have Toomani Kamara? Who I think. I don't know

527
00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:02,240
where he finished. Did he make an All Defensive team

528
00:24:02,319 --> 00:24:02,720
last year?

529
00:24:02,759 --> 00:24:04,240
Speaker 1: I think maybe he did finished second?

530
00:24:05,279 --> 00:24:08,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, So maybe this isn't quite enough of a

531
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:11,920
dark horse, but I think Portland's defense could be nails.

532
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:13,799
I think it could be really good. And I think

533
00:24:13,839 --> 00:24:16,240
he's the best defender on that team. I think he's

534
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,480
among wings. It's like you got the Thompsons, you got

535
00:24:19,559 --> 00:24:21,759
Jade McDaniels, you got herb Jones, you got all the

536
00:24:21,839 --> 00:24:24,759
usual suspects, and Kamara is just like he's as good

537
00:24:24,799 --> 00:24:26,359
as all those guys. Maybe not as good as like

538
00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:28,599
Aman Thompson was last year, but right right there. So

539
00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:31,160
I just wanted his name on there as someone who

540
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:35,680
could win it. If Portland, you know, mildly exceeds my

541
00:24:35,759 --> 00:24:38,119
expectations and instead of a top ten defense is like

542
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:40,759
fourth or third, I think there's a way for him

543
00:24:40,759 --> 00:24:41,200
to get it.

544
00:24:41,759 --> 00:24:43,640
Speaker 1: You know, I love Tamani Kamara. I like that pick.

545
00:24:43,759 --> 00:24:46,160
I think Og just as we're talking about some of

546
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:48,599
the most versatile defenders in the NBA, there is Tamani

547
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:50,759
kamaras on there. I think bam Adebayo's on there. I

548
00:24:50,799 --> 00:24:53,319
don't think og receives enough credit. Probably not. If you

549
00:24:53,319 --> 00:24:54,599
want someone Wo's gonna do a lot of the rim

550
00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:57,119
protection stuff, that's not going to be him scaling up

551
00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:59,960
to that. But if the Knicks are just for some reason,

552
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:03,240
maybe because they're starting with Duel Biggs, maybe they are

553
00:25:03,319 --> 00:25:05,480
using mchal bridges away from the point of attack more.

554
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:07,160
If the defense is good enough and he's doing all

555
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:10,799
the Ogiannoobe things that people can take notice of, maybe

556
00:25:10,839 --> 00:25:12,960
he could creep in there. Again, this is not We

557
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:14,839
don't think he's gonna finish top three to five on

558
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:16,440
the ballot. That's the entire point of this.

559
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:17,759
Speaker 2: Yep, there you go.

560
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:21,839
Speaker 1: We are on too. Rookie of the Year grant who

561
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:22,279
we got?

562
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:26,519
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess the question really is is this

563
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:31,319
the like, what are we talking about leader? Or is

564
00:25:31,319 --> 00:25:33,119
a defensive Player of the Year in Wemby Because it's

565
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:36,559
Cooper Flag, It's just not even like he's just it's

566
00:25:36,599 --> 00:25:40,000
almost unanimous. I don't know who's saying anyone other than him.

567
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:42,640
If you took if it was Cooper Flag versus the field,

568
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:45,440
I think Flag might still be the pick. So no

569
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:48,759
shock I have him first. There maybe not a shock

570
00:25:48,799 --> 00:25:53,400
to Dylan Harper. Second. I just he's got a limited

571
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:56,039
sample in the preseason, just kind of looks like he

572
00:25:56,079 --> 00:25:59,640
can play. And if dearon Fox misses significant time, it's

573
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:02,359
kind of his team to run. So you know you're

574
00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:04,839
gonna be high profile playing with Wemby. There should be

575
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:07,400
easy buckets to be had to be assisted on, I

576
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:10,759
guess I should say. And then Ace Bailey third gonna

577
00:26:10,759 --> 00:26:12,440
get all he can eat, Like the Jazz need this

578
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:15,079
guy to be the guy. So it'll be a volume

579
00:26:15,599 --> 00:26:17,359
Rookie of the Year campaign. I don't think he's going

580
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:19,640
to be that efficient, but if he's a twenty point

581
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:23,160
scorer in this class, I think that that's good enough

582
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:24,720
for a third place spot on my ballot.

583
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 1: That was I had Ace number two in part because

584
00:26:28,039 --> 00:26:29,880
of the volume, and I think there's just again I

585
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:31,599
don't want to talk too much about Will Hardy, but

586
00:26:31,599 --> 00:26:33,839
if he does enough inventive things. On offense. Maybe Bailey

587
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:36,759
is not just scoring twenty points a game, but he's

588
00:26:36,759 --> 00:26:39,079
doing it in the preseason. He's shooting like, what sixty

589
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:41,079
two and forty percent from three. I don't want to

590
00:26:41,079 --> 00:26:43,119
play too much stock in that, but a lot of jumpers,

591
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:46,640
right Cooper flag number one. There's just the no notes there.

592
00:26:46,799 --> 00:26:49,359
I honestly, if he has a bad offensive season, do

593
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:51,200
you think it opens the door it does be able

594
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:52,759
to be so good on defense it won't matter.

595
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:55,720
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know what a bad offensive season

596
00:26:55,759 --> 00:26:58,319
even looks like for him, just because you know he'd

597
00:26:58,319 --> 00:27:00,680
be shoots thirty percent from three or something like that,

598
00:27:00,799 --> 00:27:01,720
like that that kind of.

599
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:03,839
Speaker 1: Thing, or like below fifty percent on twoes.

600
00:27:04,839 --> 00:27:07,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, don't you think maybe the fact that

601
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:10,559
he seems to be getting reps at point guard like

602
00:27:10,759 --> 00:27:12,839
he's gonna so if he even if he does have

603
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:16,079
a bad offensive season, I think you'll be able to say, like, well,

604
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:18,039
the MAVs were clearly playing him out of position. The

605
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:20,319
ask is just so big, you know, like they just

606
00:27:20,599 --> 00:27:23,440
it's it's unreasonable. He should be inefficient or something, and

607
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:25,000
then the defense will just be that good.

608
00:27:25,039 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 1: I think I went with konk Nipple at number three.

609
00:27:28,039 --> 00:27:30,720
He is going to start it looks like right away

610
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:32,160
for Charlotte. If not by the end of the year,

611
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:33,880
I think he will be. And that was that was

612
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,720
what I have Dylan Harper on my like short five list.

613
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:39,240
I just wonder what his role will be for the

614
00:27:39,279 --> 00:27:41,480
full strength Spurs, which is why I couldn't have him

615
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:43,279
too high up there. I do agree with you that

616
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:45,839
I think when we talk about worrying about the Spurs

617
00:27:46,079 --> 00:27:49,319
guard dynamic, I worry the least of the three about

618
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:51,279
Dylan Harper's fit. Is that stupid?

619
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:54,759
Speaker 2: Uh No, because he can.

620
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:56,559
Speaker 1: Well I'll tell you why. It's he can he can

621
00:27:56,599 --> 00:27:56,880
sell you.

622
00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,559
Speaker 2: Oh no, No, I'm gonna beat this one right back

623
00:27:59,599 --> 00:28:02,079
at you. Uh No, Because like the Fox, health and

624
00:28:02,079 --> 00:28:05,119
shooting concerns are real, Castle shooting concerns are real. Also,

625
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,799
he's maybe not actually a point guard. Harper just looks

626
00:28:07,839 --> 00:28:10,000
like he could play one or one or two. I

627
00:28:10,039 --> 00:28:12,240
think he's gonna be able to shoot and just is like,

628
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,160
I don't know, he seems he doesn't seem like a

629
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:16,960
rookie in a lot of key ways. So I think

630
00:28:17,039 --> 00:28:19,680
he's he's like the guy that'll figure it out. You know,

631
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,279
if his fit isn't great to start, so I do

632
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:24,839
think he's gonna be I think he's gonna be really good.

633
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:26,799
I don't know. I don't so big revelation there. The

634
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:28,240
number two pick is gonna be really good.

635
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 1: That's what you've been just dropping hot take after hot

636
00:28:31,519 --> 00:28:33,440
take or not even We're not even thirty five minutes.

637
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,000
In other names, I can say, but just with K Nipple,

638
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:37,799
I think the shooting is gonna translate and that the

639
00:28:37,799 --> 00:28:39,440
totals will be there. I think he has some on

640
00:28:39,599 --> 00:28:42,200
ball jiggle and joggle to him. Maybe some of the

641
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:45,599
playmaking numbers will take up too. I also consider Trey Johnson.

642
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:48,119
That feels like sort of a pure scoring case. We

643
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:50,759
turn around, it's, oh, Trey Johnson's averaging twenty plus points

644
00:28:50,759 --> 00:28:53,720
per game for the Wizards. VJ. Edgecomb, I assume is

645
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:55,519
gonna play a lot for the Sixers, and he is.

646
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,960
He's fun. I think if you're looking from an entertainment perspective,

647
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:01,319
is there a chance he ends up? Maybe Cooper Flag

648
00:29:01,359 --> 00:29:03,480
is just gonna win the entertainment value. But I could

649
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:06,960
see VJ. Edgecombe being like the most entertaining rookie. I

650
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,759
say that Jan Hanson. How much is he gonna play

651
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:12,240
in Portland? He could beat the most entertaining rookie.

652
00:29:12,319 --> 00:29:15,279
Speaker 2: That that's a Donovan Clinging injury away from things getting

653
00:29:15,279 --> 00:29:17,880
real exciting, Just just to just throw him out there,

654
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,240
because if offense is the problem, maybe his passing like

655
00:29:20,319 --> 00:29:24,359
unlocks things for the Blazers they wouldn't get to otherwise. Uh,

656
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,119
that that was gonna be minus. I don't really believe it.

657
00:29:27,279 --> 00:29:30,880
But if I'm rooting for it, like I'm rooting.

658
00:29:30,599 --> 00:29:34,039
Speaker 1: For him for Donovan Clingon injury, that's yeah, that's why

659
00:29:34,039 --> 00:29:34,319
I don't.

660
00:29:36,079 --> 00:29:38,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, get him out of the way. He might be

661
00:29:38,799 --> 00:29:40,759
good too.

662
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 1: It was just one of the nets first round picks, right,

663
00:29:43,519 --> 00:29:45,160
But Yegor Demon if they put the ball in his

664
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:48,000
hands enough, might have the numbers. And one that I

665
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,200
don't think you can even He's probably a longer than

666
00:29:50,279 --> 00:29:53,160
long shot. But the heat, like their injuries, are just

667
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:55,880
piling up so much, including to him, and their lack

668
00:29:55,920 --> 00:30:00,400
of like Casper's shack and shonas he throws some of

669
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:03,359
the most audacious passes I have seen for a rookie,

670
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,079
and so I'm rooting for him to get minutes somehow,

671
00:30:06,119 --> 00:30:09,119
But I don't know if he'll have the like even

672
00:30:09,119 --> 00:30:12,000
if he gets a role. You have Norman Powell there,

673
00:30:12,039 --> 00:30:14,400
you have Tyler Hero. I don't know what his path

674
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:16,720
to playing enough minutes and getting enough volume to be

675
00:30:16,799 --> 00:30:17,640
Rookie of the Year would.

676
00:30:17,799 --> 00:30:19,759
Speaker 2: It's got to be Heroes just out for longer and

677
00:30:19,799 --> 00:30:22,240
like Mitchell can't score at all or something. So you know,

678
00:30:22,279 --> 00:30:24,319
there's there's ways that you said it. It's kind of

679
00:30:24,319 --> 00:30:26,960
like a darker than dark horse, longer than long shot pick.

680
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaking of shall we get to our actual long shots?

681
00:30:30,519 --> 00:30:32,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, let me go with mine first. I have Neet

682
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:36,000
Clifford and Sacramento, and I feel like I shouldn't select

683
00:30:36,039 --> 00:30:39,680
him because the Kings only do bad things and that's

684
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:41,480
not a shot at Neat Clifford. But I think he's

685
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,720
one of the most well rounded players in this draft class.

686
00:30:44,759 --> 00:30:47,160
If he wanted him to, he could run some point.

687
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,279
They will not need him to because all they have

688
00:30:49,359 --> 00:30:52,119
his guards on that team. But the things he can

689
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:55,599
do defensively, I don't know how much further up the

690
00:30:55,599 --> 00:30:58,400
positional spectrum he can guard, but he's absolutely someone A

691
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:00,839
lot of the perimeter players the other team his best option.

692
00:31:01,319 --> 00:31:03,599
You could have him go there. I think He's a

693
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:05,519
pretty good even without the ball, like he will make

694
00:31:05,599 --> 00:31:08,200
quick decisions off it, he will move, he should be

695
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,640
able to space, and I think like he's not going

696
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,480
to be someone that stops the offense, even if he's

697
00:31:13,519 --> 00:31:15,599
part of this like more of just second units or

698
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:17,119
whether he's playing with the Stars, he will get off

699
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:21,000
the ball quickly. And with the Keegan Murray injury, I

700
00:31:21,039 --> 00:31:22,519
think it opens the door for him to play more

701
00:31:22,559 --> 00:31:24,400
minutes out the gate and put himself on the radar

702
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:26,720
to the point where one, then it makes it harder

703
00:31:26,759 --> 00:31:28,440
for the Kings not to play him when they are

704
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:31,000
closer to full strength, and then two it does kind

705
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,559
of ensure that people will still be talking about him

706
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:34,240
moving forward.

707
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:38,039
Speaker 2: I mean, his opportunities are there the Murray injury, just

708
00:31:38,119 --> 00:31:41,880
like they don't the Kings couldn't. Murray was irreplaceable, I mean,

709
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,559
except now knee Clifford has to replace him. I think

710
00:31:44,599 --> 00:31:48,720
as like just the bigger forwardy wingye type player that

711
00:31:48,759 --> 00:31:50,039
they really don't have that might.

712
00:31:50,039 --> 00:31:52,279
Speaker 1: Be able to hold, that will work his way into

713
00:31:52,319 --> 00:31:52,640
the mix.

714
00:31:53,559 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 2: Is it twenty seventeen maybe then maybe then I like

715
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:01,920
that pay. I just think opportunity matters a ton like

716
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,279
he'll be he'll be in the rookie he'll be like

717
00:32:04,319 --> 00:32:06,440
in an all rookie team. I think like unless he

718
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,319
just because he has to play, he has to play.

719
00:32:09,599 --> 00:32:11,319
Speaker 1: He should the Kings they might find a way.

720
00:32:11,519 --> 00:32:14,599
Speaker 2: That's the thing. They wouldn't That's like they wouldn't need

721
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:16,400
him to play if they weren't the Kings and put

722
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:18,720
together a sensible roster. So does that also mean that

723
00:32:18,799 --> 00:32:21,119
because they're the Kings they won't play him like that?

724
00:32:21,319 --> 00:32:23,119
Maybe maybe that's the biggest hurdle.

725
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:26,039
Speaker 1: But in all actuality, you think when Keegan Murray's healthy,

726
00:32:26,039 --> 00:32:28,519
you believe that he has to play still.

727
00:32:28,559 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously more so without Murray, but even with

728
00:32:31,559 --> 00:32:34,119
like I think I forget I've said this before, like

729
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,279
between Keon Ellis and Nie Clifford and Keegan Murray, those

730
00:32:37,319 --> 00:32:39,079
are like the three guys that can sort of give

731
00:32:39,119 --> 00:32:42,279
the Kings semi sensible lineups that have like a little

732
00:32:42,319 --> 00:32:44,200
bit of balance and a little bit of two way play.

733
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,960
And and Ellis is just a smaller player, so he

734
00:32:48,039 --> 00:32:51,480
can't really take those types of minutes away from Clifford

735
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:55,240
and Murray. So if I'm trying to put the best

736
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:57,319
and the Kings are trying to win now, obviously, because

737
00:32:57,359 --> 00:33:00,039
what else is this roster gonna do. I think I

738
00:33:00,039 --> 00:33:04,160
think Clifford is like a just a critical gap filler

739
00:33:04,359 --> 00:33:06,599
because he does stuff that the that like the Levines

740
00:33:06,599 --> 00:33:09,480
and DeRozan's and Sabonises and Shrewd like those guys don't

741
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:10,799
do the things they need him to do.

742
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 1: You know, we're also not considering, since it's the wildcard

743
00:33:13,799 --> 00:33:16,160
portion of it is that what if he just gets

744
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:18,559
traded with the Monta Sabonis to the Bulls for Vouch

745
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:21,000
and Kobe White, that it'll be on Chicago with all

746
00:33:21,039 --> 00:33:22,880
the opportunity in the world perfect and.

747
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:24,960
Speaker 2: Then he's got to get over Patrick Williams, and I

748
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:27,079
think he can do it. Uh So mine my pick

749
00:33:27,119 --> 00:33:31,599
is Liam McNeely. Just it's deep enough down the draft

750
00:33:31,599 --> 00:33:34,759
that it like does it's a very clear like he

751
00:33:34,839 --> 00:33:36,759
might be in the G League, uh in you know,

752
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:40,480
a month end of the season, but between just it's

753
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:42,599
sort of a little bit like the Clifford case where

754
00:33:43,279 --> 00:33:45,640
I kind of like mcneelily as someone that can can

755
00:33:45,759 --> 00:33:48,720
give you real offensive punch, like the defense will be iffy,

756
00:33:48,759 --> 00:33:51,960
but like as a as a shoot pass connector good

757
00:33:52,079 --> 00:33:55,000
size like I don't know, Like they'll probably give to

758
00:33:55,119 --> 00:33:57,960
John Salon plenty of minutes. Again, like Miles Bridges is there,

759
00:33:58,759 --> 00:34:00,720
Brandon Miller could play up as a bigger wing if

760
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:03,000
you wanted him to. Like, there's definitely guys in the way.

761
00:34:04,079 --> 00:34:06,240
I just kind of liked some of the preseason flashes

762
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:09,920
I saw from him, and just as like as someone

763
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:12,679
to bet on, why not someone that was a super

764
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,639
high high school recruit. Did you went to mont Verd

765
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:17,320
Like was one of those guys. It was just like

766
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:19,760
kaream of the crop in his high school class didn't

767
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,679
shoot it as well as maybe everyone would have expected

768
00:34:22,679 --> 00:34:25,159
at Yukon, And I think that hurt him because it's like, oh,

769
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:29,000
not super duper athletic white forward that didn't shoot it, Well,

770
00:34:29,039 --> 00:34:30,679
what are we doing? It's like, well, it was just

771
00:34:30,679 --> 00:34:32,960
one year in Yukon. Maybe that wasn't the best system.

772
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:35,519
So I think I think he's got some real skill.

773
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:39,239
Whether he gets a crack at showing that hard to say.

774
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:40,800
With Charlotte, he should shouldn't.

775
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 1: Should The Nets be concerned that only one of their

776
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,280
five first round picks made it, but both of Charlotte's

777
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:46,840
first round picks made it. For the Rookie of the

778
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:47,880
year the nets.

779
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 2: I think if you did, what if your wild card

780
00:34:50,519 --> 00:34:53,599
or your dark horse was just like a net since

781
00:34:53,599 --> 00:34:56,320
they clearly just drafted all those guys like together, if

782
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:58,800
you just you get you get the the all five.

783
00:35:00,159 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 1: We're putting like including demon in there because it's just

784
00:35:03,079 --> 00:35:06,119
then our top eight pick. We're including as a dark

785
00:35:06,159 --> 00:35:08,480
horse right on the one that I gave some thought to,

786
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:10,760
And if you were coaching the team, I actually might

787
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:13,480
have just put him on my ballot. Walter Clayton Junior.

788
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:15,960
I just don't know how much he's gonna play in

789
00:35:16,119 --> 00:35:17,519
Utah through and to or how long it takes for

790
00:35:17,559 --> 00:35:18,840
them to get to a minute. But he might be

791
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:19,960
a fun dark horse too.

792
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,679
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna be surprised when he wins that job.

793
00:35:24,119 --> 00:35:26,960
I mean it's gonna take like he's all he's gonna

794
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:30,719
have to do is defend halfway decently and make thirty

795
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,440
six percent of his threes, like over the first couple

796
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:35,199
weeks of the season, and then we're we talking about

797
00:35:35,199 --> 00:35:38,599
it because I just think Collier and George have too

798
00:35:38,679 --> 00:35:41,599
many like glaring. Listening to Sarah Todd on the on

799
00:35:41,679 --> 00:35:44,239
the look Ahead, it's like really soured me on George,

800
00:35:44,559 --> 00:35:46,519
so I'm ready to just move on. I think if

801
00:35:46,559 --> 00:35:47,239
I'm the Jazz.

802
00:35:48,159 --> 00:35:50,360
Speaker 1: Speaking of moving on, can you take us through your

803
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:51,559
most improved Player ballot?

804
00:35:52,079 --> 00:35:58,760
Speaker 2: Yes? I can, Dan, So my Thompson is gonna be

805
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:02,039
a different a different thing. You're Thompson just just for funzies,

806
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:06,639
I worry that a Men Thompson has maybe just the

807
00:36:06,679 --> 00:36:10,519
case of everyone catching up late. But a little bit

808
00:36:10,519 --> 00:36:12,360
of a leap happened last year, not to say one

809
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:14,599
can't happen this year. I think it's possible. I don't

810
00:36:14,599 --> 00:36:19,199
think a Sar Thompson has quite the same standing among

811
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:22,400
you know, people predicting these kinds of awards, So I

812
00:36:22,679 --> 00:36:24,519
think like there's every chance that at the end of

813
00:36:24,519 --> 00:36:27,280
this season we view him similarly. Now maybe that maybe

814
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:29,320
that's a little bit of a stretch, Like the playmaking

815
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:31,719
would have to get a lot better, he'd have to

816
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:34,480
make some shots, like but men Thompson didn't make any

817
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:37,400
shots last year, and you know, his star really rose,

818
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,000
So I'm going with the star. I think defensively he's

819
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:42,639
as about as good as it gets and should get

820
00:36:42,679 --> 00:36:45,960
to play. And I just athletically like he's just if

821
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:48,280
he plays. He's gonna be a great defender and maybe

822
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:50,800
we get steps offensively, and that's how how you get here.

823
00:36:51,599 --> 00:36:54,639
The other two guys are kind of two different stripes

824
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,440
of most improved candidates. One is nem Hard and just

825
00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:00,159
the role Andrew Nemhard. The role is gonna be enormous,

826
00:37:00,159 --> 00:37:02,679
probably too big, because he's gonna have to run the

827
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:05,880
offense and guard the other team's best scoring threat in

828
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:09,440
the back court. That's a lot. But I think he's

829
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:11,320
just gonna have the opportunity, and I think he's good

830
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:13,559
enough to like make a lot of it and people

831
00:37:13,599 --> 00:37:16,280
will realize, oh, actually this is a starting point guard

832
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:19,960
in the NBA. The last guy's Danny Avdia. The breakout

833
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,840
already happened, but nobody was paying attention to the Blazers

834
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:25,280
after the All Star break last year. So this is

835
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:29,039
me saying he'll basically be close to that guy for

836
00:37:29,119 --> 00:37:32,199
a full season and everyone will decide that, like year

837
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:36,039
over year, the leap is enough for a third spot here.

838
00:37:36,599 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 1: I love the ASR pick and will celebrate that. The Nemhard,

839
00:37:40,039 --> 00:37:41,960
I just don't know how much better he can be

840
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:45,079
on offense without Tarre's Haliburton, and if he has to

841
00:37:45,119 --> 00:37:49,280
maintain his defensive workload, especially with who do you trust

842
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:54,079
to press on that team now with the McConnell injury, right,

843
00:37:54,119 --> 00:37:57,000
it's gonna Shepherd of course, so that's something to watch.

844
00:37:57,039 --> 00:37:58,400
I do like to pick Danny Avvia. That is a

845
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:00,199
good point. I'm just wondering how much now, if you

846
00:38:00,199 --> 00:38:02,880
were to take the whole oh who was paying attention

847
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:04,679
last year out of the equation, how much better do

848
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:07,320
you think denni Ava can get based off last year?

849
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:09,800
I did this thing which I feel like I never do,

850
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:11,679
but do you remember the year that Tyrese Maxi won.

851
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,599
It did not feel I don't think either of us

852
00:38:14,599 --> 00:38:16,480
picked him, but did not feel that he was sort

853
00:38:16,519 --> 00:38:19,320
of preordained coming into the season as the next most

854
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:22,320
improved player. I feel the same way about Aman Thompson.

855
00:38:22,599 --> 00:38:25,199
My Thompson I should call him from non except I

856
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:29,199
actually believe that that's okay because the defense. I don't

857
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:31,239
know what he could do to get better on defense.

858
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:33,840
Is it just he's going one on five and winning

859
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:37,920
the possessions. Sure. Yeah, offensively though, there's room for him

860
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:39,519
to improve. I'm not talking about the addition of a

861
00:38:39,519 --> 00:38:42,039
three point shot, but like, can he attack from different

862
00:38:42,079 --> 00:38:44,239
angles with the ball. Can he get a little bit

863
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:46,760
of the floater going if he does any of that?

864
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:50,639
And then if he's also just the counting stats or

865
00:38:50,679 --> 00:38:53,280
skyrocketing because of the way that the rockets are set

866
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:55,400
up post Van Fleet injury, is it outside the roman

867
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:59,239
possibility that he's averaging twenty points and seven assists per

868
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:01,320
game and maybe a lot of those are coming in transition,

869
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:04,199
but he could do something like that. And if he

870
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:07,079
just if you if we start viewing him independent of

871
00:39:07,119 --> 00:39:11,199
his defense as oh, a really useful offensive player, that's

872
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:14,159
that becomes hutus case. I have Wemby too. What do

873
00:39:14,159 --> 00:39:14,840
you think about that?

874
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:18,239
Speaker 2: I think there's no award. You can't put Wemby on

875
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:19,960
the top three four Coach of the Year.

876
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 1: Don't you feel year three and year four players are

877
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:27,920
catting it for this award? And I know that Wemby

878
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:30,639
has been just mentioned as a Defensive Player of the

879
00:39:30,679 --> 00:39:33,360
Year candidate. We both had him on our MVP ballots.

880
00:39:33,559 --> 00:39:35,400
But he's not even in his prime yet. And so

881
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:38,599
if he comes out and for some people have oversimplified

882
00:39:38,599 --> 00:39:41,599
his offense always taking too many threes, well, he's getting

883
00:39:41,639 --> 00:39:44,039
to the paint more now and they're doing more things

884
00:39:44,079 --> 00:39:46,159
with him on the ball, and he's stronger. You mentioned

885
00:39:46,199 --> 00:39:48,400
the turnovers will be there, But what if what if

886
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:51,400
he's just better across the board? What if he runs

887
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:53,639
away with defensive Player of the Year and the Spurs

888
00:39:53,639 --> 00:39:55,599
are like a top three or four defense. I don't

889
00:39:55,599 --> 00:39:59,280
know how likely that is, but he's still at the

890
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:01,360
point where he is only going to get better and

891
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:03,519
so offensively is what I zero went on and say,

892
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:06,320
if we see the assist numbers come up, maybe the

893
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:08,159
handle gets a little bit better. I know that it's

894
00:40:08,159 --> 00:40:10,039
always going to be touch and go because of his size.

895
00:40:10,039 --> 00:40:12,400
If he's generating more of his own offense, more of

896
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:14,199
the offense for other guys, and the bigger thing I

897
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:17,199
come back to is just the deep paint touches on

898
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:18,920
the ball, not even I mean maybe even as a

899
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:22,199
screener en roller. But he's developed chemistry already. We mentioned this.

900
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:24,440
I don't know what on the over underpod we've seen

901
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:27,159
some stuff with him and Luke Cornett. I just I

902
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:29,599
know it feels too smack you in the face. But

903
00:40:29,679 --> 00:40:32,960
this isn't circa Steph Curry being unanimous MVP and trying

904
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:35,519
to make that case for most improved player. This is

905
00:40:35,599 --> 00:40:38,880
no someone in here three Shu I did, which again

906
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:41,360
is fine, but don't those campaigns tend to lose weight

907
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:43,239
or just be sort of shrugged off because it's oh,

908
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:46,719
it's Steph Curry was going into year three. The fact

909
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:49,000
that he's a household name, I don't know if it

910
00:40:49,039 --> 00:40:50,480
works against him as much in this.

911
00:40:50,679 --> 00:40:53,280
Speaker 2: Right, No. I think the argument the pushback would be, well,

912
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:56,320
the bar is already so high, like everyone already thinks

913
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:58,719
the world of him. But it's just like, well, you

914
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:00,880
need to expand your imagination a little bit because you're

915
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:03,840
assuming that this bar, that what he's done right now,

916
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:06,639
like that counts as a high bar for him, which

917
00:41:06,679 --> 00:41:08,800
actually may just not be the case. If he is

918
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:13,800
the type of generational you know, just he could win MVP,

919
00:41:14,079 --> 00:41:16,239
right like, he could win MVP, And if he wins MVP,

920
00:41:17,519 --> 00:41:19,760
he has to be most improved because you know that

921
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:22,199
he wasn't close to that last year except you know,

922
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:22,960
when he was healthy.

923
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:26,599
Speaker 1: That's I'm gonna put it on record now, wemb Yama

924
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:32,320
top five in the Triple Crown of MVP, MP DPO.

925
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:34,719
I'm getting so choked up over how excited AND's sure.

926
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:35,679
I am of it.

927
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:37,800
Speaker 2: Totally, totally possible.

928
00:41:38,599 --> 00:41:41,800
Speaker 1: Guy Peyton Prichard. This is interesting because I don't know

929
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:43,519
how many more minutes he's gonna play. He was over

930
00:41:43,559 --> 00:41:46,199
twenty eight last year. I assume he'll be comfortably over

931
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:49,880
thirty this year. With Notatum no Drew Holliday there, and

932
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:53,119
the way he can shoot, the way he can grab rebounds.

933
00:41:53,159 --> 00:41:55,519
He will try on defense, I think, yes, I was

934
00:41:55,559 --> 00:41:58,360
talking about this with Bobby Manning of CLNLS Media. He

935
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:01,039
will have more defensive attention on him, but he's not

936
00:42:01,079 --> 00:42:04,000
going to be the primary defensive focus ever, and he

937
00:42:04,039 --> 00:42:06,119
can make things happen for himself and others when he

938
00:42:06,119 --> 00:42:08,360
gets into the lane, maybe we see the shots and

939
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:10,559
the drives over coming out of drives, and the drives

940
00:42:10,559 --> 00:42:12,920
overall go up. This is another guy where if he

941
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:15,519
hits like twenty points per game because he shoots so

942
00:42:15,559 --> 00:42:18,519
efficiently from the floor and they just don't have a

943
00:42:18,519 --> 00:42:21,440
lot of other facilitators on this team. Oh, look at

944
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:25,960
Peyton Pritchard averaging twenty five and five on otherworldly efficiency.

945
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:28,920
I'm not ruling it out. And if he's there, he's

946
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:30,599
probably entering the MIP discussion.

947
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:33,599
Speaker 2: I think a couple good stats in his favor. Just

948
00:42:33,679 --> 00:42:36,639
per thirty six. Last year, Pritchard was eighteen five and four,

949
00:42:37,079 --> 00:42:39,800
So like, if he's the same guy, he's getting there.

950
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:43,440
I think, like what if? What if he just leads

951
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:45,840
the league in three point makes? Like why not? Like

952
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:48,760
that's totally the way the Celtics play and the way

953
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:50,920
he can shoot it. I think that should be a goal,

954
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:53,920
you know, and it's a it's an achievable one. Yeah,

955
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:57,679
twenty five and five for Pritchard, I mean that will

956
00:42:57,679 --> 00:43:00,280
be viewed as a massive improvement just because what he

957
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:03,800
averaged last year, like fourteen four and four.

958
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:05,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, around that.

959
00:43:06,079 --> 00:43:07,840
Speaker 2: Twenty might be the magic number for him. If he

960
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:09,760
gets to twenty, think he's going to be really in

961
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:10,480
the running for this.

962
00:43:11,559 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 1: Just to throw some other names that aren't quite I

963
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:16,079
think super dark horses. Peyton Watson might be a super

964
00:43:16,119 --> 00:43:18,119
dark horse. Everyone's a super dark horse and that might

965
00:43:18,159 --> 00:43:20,960
pay Trey Murphy in New Orleans that's another one. Did

966
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:23,079
people notice the improvement last year? And how much goods

967
00:43:23,119 --> 00:43:25,800
you get this year? Jabari Smith Jr. Maybe he tightens

968
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:28,239
the handle and the scoring goes up Without Van Fleet.

969
00:43:28,639 --> 00:43:31,760
Benan mcmathrin is just sort of the you pick nemhard

970
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:35,880
Er Mathrin from the Pacers team without tyres Halburton. You

971
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:38,320
already mentioned a star Thompson the other name I considered

972
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:41,199
going to my dark horse room. I really like nikoviy Yovic,

973
00:43:41,519 --> 00:43:44,239
but I wondered if I was falling in love with

974
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:46,920
the idea of his baseline is already so low kind

975
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:48,760
of just because of the volume we've seen over his

976
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:50,840
first three years. But that would be another name. If

977
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:52,920
he's healthy, which right now he's sealing with back stuff

978
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:55,840
that I think he's gonna start so like, the numbers

979
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:56,719
just might be there.

980
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:59,199
Speaker 2: You see, you said Ben Matheren, right, Like, it's just

981
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:00,760
he's got to be there. I think you could go

982
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:03,840
deeper on the Pacers, like just because the opportunities may

983
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:06,719
be there, like Obi Toppin Ben Shephard, Like what if

984
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:09,639
what if either of those guys just gets j four

985
00:44:09,679 --> 00:44:14,960
minutes a night per minute monster Jay huff, Yeah, twenty

986
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,480
ten and three blocks per thirty six. Probably I'm just

987
00:44:17,519 --> 00:44:19,920
making these numbers up, I mean, yeah.

988
00:44:19,639 --> 00:44:22,079
Speaker 1: From per minute monster to per game monster. I guess

989
00:44:22,079 --> 00:44:23,920
you would have a pretty good case.

990
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:26,679
Speaker 2: Right, just because I only choose Blazers shading sharp like

991
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:28,960
if he just becomes like a full on all star

992
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:32,360
shooting guard type of player. I mean, again, we're getting

993
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:34,760
the kind of dark horse territory, but not true dark horse,

994
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:38,480
because that's where're going right now. You're so on brand.

995
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:42,960
Uh just looking at the graphics. I went with Max Christie,

996
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:47,519
this is again dark horse. I think there's a chance

997
00:44:47,559 --> 00:44:50,920
that they that the Mavericks just decide we can't have

998
00:44:51,079 --> 00:44:55,159
Cooper flag in, D'Angelo Russell, and I guess certainly not

999
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:59,199
Klay Thompson and probably not Nausei. Marshall like chasing around

1000
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:02,440
ones and two us on defense, and clearly this is

1001
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:05,880
a defensively oriented team. I think Christy can guard those guys,

1002
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:07,639
or at least I'm intrigued to see him get a

1003
00:45:07,639 --> 00:45:11,559
shot at it. And he was really good on both

1004
00:45:11,679 --> 00:45:14,480
ends initially after the trade last year and then really

1005
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:19,400
fell off. I wonder if there's a forty three point

1006
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:23,000
shooter that can guard ones, twos and threes and maybe

1007
00:45:23,039 --> 00:45:24,800
do even a little bit with the ball once in

1008
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:28,280
a while, And if he's that guy, I could see

1009
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:30,920
I could see him getting some real consideration. A lot

1010
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:33,159
of ifs in there, obviously, but that's that's the portion

1011
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:33,920
of the ballot we're on.

1012
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:36,559
Speaker 1: I don't. I think a lot of the on ball

1013
00:45:36,559 --> 00:45:38,320
stuff would need to come together. And I don't view

1014
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:41,480
for that guy. But are the Mavericks set up to

1015
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:44,440
give him that opportunity just because of a lack of alternatives?

1016
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:46,679
Will Kyrie's out? I don't, well, like, are they going

1017
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:48,119
to be more inclined to try him out on the

1018
00:45:48,159 --> 00:45:50,480
ball after Cooper Flagg than A I mean they have

1019
00:45:50,599 --> 00:45:53,440
d Lo but who else? Like do you want ante

1020
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:55,280
exam on the ball? A bunch jaydon Hardy feels like

1021
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:56,440
an afterthought there now.

1022
00:45:57,119 --> 00:45:59,079
Speaker 2: I think just the defense gets him on the floor,

1023
00:45:59,159 --> 00:46:01,159
and then if he can prove any if he can

1024
00:46:01,199 --> 00:46:04,360
also space and maybe score and transition and I don't know,

1025
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:06,599
run eight. He's not gonna be like a guy that

1026
00:46:06,679 --> 00:46:09,000
runs pick and rolls. I don't think that's in the cards.

1027
00:46:09,039 --> 00:46:11,159
But you see that I can see the vision as

1028
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:11,760
Niko I.

1029
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:16,679
Speaker 1: Say, I have two I have two wild cards and

1030
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:18,960
it's kind of a joke on brand but also serious.

1031
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:22,239
Reed Shepherd, I don't we haven't seen a second year

1032
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:24,199
player win it since Monte Ellis, And I don't know

1033
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:26,280
if the fact that Reed Shepherd's working off such a

1034
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:29,199
low baseline helps or hurts? Would you rather give it

1035
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:32,480
to someone who's a sophomore that showed more last year?

1036
00:46:32,519 --> 00:46:35,800
So the improvement in theory was harder, but the role.

1037
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:41,079
If he's still like headlining the Rockets rotation in March,

1038
00:46:41,519 --> 00:46:43,880
something good has probably happened with him. So just I

1039
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:47,280
circled his name, My more real wildcard is on Yekakungu.

1040
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:49,880
I think that he is. So you have Jalen Johnson

1041
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:52,159
and Christops Porzingis in the front court. Mogay too can't

1042
00:46:52,159 --> 00:46:54,000
forget about him. But I think when you're looking at

1043
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:56,920
those three, Akungu is gonna be the one that plays

1044
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:59,519
more with the other than either of those two because

1045
00:46:59,559 --> 00:47:03,039
he's just functionally malleable. And if we've already seen things

1046
00:47:03,039 --> 00:47:04,280
that he could do when he catches the ball in

1047
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:06,119
the middle of the floor, has some moves with the

1048
00:47:06,119 --> 00:47:08,920
ball in his hands. We know about the defensive excuse

1049
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:12,320
me versatility. If the three point shot continues to come together,

1050
00:47:12,519 --> 00:47:14,159
like he's getting out to the corners and we've seen

1051
00:47:14,199 --> 00:47:16,320
him get there, if the efficiency can tick up, it

1052
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:18,519
wouldn't surprise me. If he's playing more minutes, and this

1053
00:47:18,599 --> 00:47:20,920
is someone who's Oh, he's got like eighteen points a game.

1054
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:23,480
He's got like three or four assists, and so that's

1055
00:47:23,519 --> 00:47:26,199
someone one of those mid career like maybe he's too

1056
00:47:26,199 --> 00:47:28,079
deep in the career for other players, but hey, that's

1057
00:47:28,079 --> 00:47:30,199
why he's in the dark horse slash wild card spot.

1058
00:47:30,599 --> 00:47:33,119
Speaker 2: I think I love the argument for him as as

1059
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:35,880
our part of the argument being that nobody was pay

1060
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:38,400
attention thing because people are gonna look and see he's

1061
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:41,360
got thirty two percent on like pretty low volume from

1062
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:44,199
three over the full course of last season, but he

1063
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:47,320
was thirty eight percent after the break on more volume,

1064
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:50,159
and so like the growth sort of happened, and he'll

1065
00:47:50,199 --> 00:47:51,800
just carry it over to a full season now and

1066
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:53,880
everybody will think, oh my god, Like this guy learned

1067
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:55,960
how to shoot over the summer. That's an you know,

1068
00:47:56,159 --> 00:47:58,559
like the case. The case kind of is pretty easy

1069
00:47:58,599 --> 00:48:00,599
to see coming together for him for that reason.

1070
00:48:01,119 --> 00:48:03,840
Speaker 1: And this is the first time defensively specifically, this is

1071
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:05,639
the first well, we don't even know if we're gonna

1072
00:48:05,639 --> 00:48:08,239
get to see it. We've never seen him in this role,

1073
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:11,880
a higher volume role with a relatively healthy supporting cast

1074
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:13,719
around him. Is he gets more minutes last year, like

1075
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:16,960
Jalen Johnson's not playing by that point, so he's just

1076
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:19,280
a player that I'm gonna be fascinated by this year.

1077
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:21,400
Are you ready to take us through your sixth Man

1078
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:23,039
of the Year ballot? All right?

1079
00:48:23,079 --> 00:48:25,199
Speaker 2: I love how different we are on this one, which

1080
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:27,480
shows that nobody knows what a six man is. So

1081
00:48:27,559 --> 00:48:31,400
I went Brandon Pajemski as my first pick. We talked

1082
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:33,840
a lot on the Warriors Pod about how like they

1083
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:38,239
just need somebody, anybody to be a secondary offensive creator,

1084
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:41,119
particularly for the bench, which is what's relevant for this role.

1085
00:48:41,519 --> 00:48:44,800
He seems best situated to do that, except Moses Moody

1086
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:47,280
is already hurt and is questionable for the opener, and

1087
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:50,480
so maybe Pajemski will be a starter. But that kind

1088
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:51,920
of helps here. And that's kind of what I did

1089
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:54,400
with my whole ballot, is I want the guy that's

1090
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:57,360
gonna start a bunch and then still qualifies for six

1091
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:00,440
man because they'll have crazy numbers. It always seems to

1092
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:02,239
be helpful. I want a guy that I can imagine

1093
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:04,599
starting and closing, and that's kind of true for all

1094
00:49:04,639 --> 00:49:08,079
three of these players. So Pajemski won. Nikkeil Alexander Walker two.

1095
00:49:08,519 --> 00:49:11,360
I think he's gonna close for Atlanta. I think there's

1096
00:49:11,519 --> 00:49:13,480
gonna be a lot of situations where he's out there

1097
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:15,880
next to Trey Young, and maybe it's not Daniels, and

1098
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:18,039
maybe it's not Resa sche because he gives you the

1099
00:49:18,039 --> 00:49:19,920
two way stuff. He can do stuff with the ball,

1100
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:22,519
he can shoot three like he's He's easy to imagine

1101
00:49:22,559 --> 00:49:25,599
there Josh Hart for three, assuming he doesn't start, which

1102
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:30,039
presumably he won't. I don't know. Might have gone with

1103
00:49:30,119 --> 00:49:33,280
Dull bride if duce McBride were guaranteed to be a

1104
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:35,599
bench guy. I just think I think as much as

1105
00:49:35,639 --> 00:49:38,079
we love the Knick's new depth, they do sort of

1106
00:49:38,119 --> 00:49:40,400
have like seven starters, and so I want one of

1107
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:43,119
those guys on my ballot because any one of them

1108
00:49:43,119 --> 00:49:46,880
could close games and see twenty five thirty minutes a night.

1109
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:50,480
Speaker 1: I think Heart is the right pick to where he'll

1110
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:53,039
probably not start as much like if Mitchell Robinson needs

1111
00:49:53,039 --> 00:49:55,159
a rest, maybe they insert duce McBride, or do they

1112
00:49:55,159 --> 00:49:58,159
go with Ariel hawk Porty. I just between the back

1113
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:00,719
issues doing the finger splint. Thats why I couldn't get

1114
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:03,719
there with him the Nwklexander Walker, I have him third.

1115
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:05,480
I think that's just a really good pick. He's I

1116
00:50:05,519 --> 00:50:07,159
try to look at guys, so I think we'll come

1117
00:50:07,199 --> 00:50:09,199
off the bench enough. But I could envision also closing

1118
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:12,440
enough games. So he's he's, he's that and is Some

1119
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:14,800
of his counting numbers might go up because Atlanta's secondary

1120
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:16,519
ball handling is all over the place. Who are they

1121
00:50:16,519 --> 00:50:19,719
going to use a lot in that capacity? Pods? If

1122
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:21,440
he wins six manut of the Year? How good are

1123
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:22,559
the Warriors at that point?

1124
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:25,079
Speaker 2: Though it depends on if the Well, Yeah, if he

1125
00:50:25,119 --> 00:50:27,159
wins six Man of the Year probably means the old

1126
00:50:27,199 --> 00:50:29,719
guys stayed healthy too, So right, the answer is very good.

1127
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:33,400
Speaker 1: I would say I have Cason Wallace number one. I

1128
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:35,679
don't know. The closing game stuff gets a little bit

1129
00:50:35,679 --> 00:50:37,920
iffy with him, but I think that they'll be. He

1130
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:39,559
might have enough starts, or he just might get enough

1131
00:50:39,599 --> 00:50:41,159
minutes to where his numbers are going to be used.

1132
00:50:41,519 --> 00:50:44,360
There's a lot to plumb there offensively to where it's okay.

1133
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:46,000
Like the three pointers, I think we'll go back to

1134
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:47,920
following at a more of a higher clip. I think

1135
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:49,920
he can do some things with the ball in his hands,

1136
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:51,559
especially when the floor is based out and he has

1137
00:50:51,559 --> 00:50:53,840
the driving lanes. This is someone who's gonna get to

1138
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:56,679
like the twenty plus twenty five plus minute threshold the

1139
00:50:56,679 --> 00:50:59,679
game semi consistently. I just I'll take I think we've

1140
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:01,840
moved not that we've moved away, but isn't it more

1141
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:03,599
likely than ever now that it doesn't need to be

1142
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:06,519
this and your ballot reflects that. I think mine reflects

1143
00:51:06,559 --> 00:51:08,880
that it doesn't need to be this high volume microwave

1144
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:11,079
score to win the sixth Man of the Year.

1145
00:51:11,519 --> 00:51:14,400
Speaker 2: It's not Lou Williams Jamal Crawford necessarily anymore.

1146
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:17,559
Speaker 1: My number two pick I don't love because I was

1147
00:51:17,599 --> 00:51:20,000
worried he was gonna start too many games. But it

1148
00:51:20,039 --> 00:51:22,039
doesn't sound like like the plan is to bring John

1149
00:51:22,079 --> 00:51:24,920
Collins off the bench. If I'm wrong there, then that's

1150
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:26,840
a good thing that this isn't middle of the year ballot,

1151
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:28,920
because that would look like a pretty pretty bad pick.

1152
00:51:29,519 --> 00:51:32,400
I just he can play next to Zubots, he could

1153
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:34,199
play next to Lopez. Maybe they'll try him out at

1154
00:51:34,199 --> 00:51:36,119
the five a little bit. He's gonna rebound a bunch,

1155
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:38,079
he will space, He'll probably guess the moost to where

1156
00:51:38,079 --> 00:51:40,360
he could screen and roll. This is just like he

1157
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:43,079
comes in, is he averaging like fourteen points and seven

1158
00:51:43,119 --> 00:51:45,639
boards and some moto fish and shooting that could get him?

1159
00:51:46,199 --> 00:51:48,480
And is he maybe closing games when the if you're

1160
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:51,280
trying to look at your closing dual big as the Clippers,

1161
00:51:51,519 --> 00:51:53,960
you're closing with Zubots and Collins. You're not going Zubots

1162
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:56,360
and Lopez. I would pay to see that, and so

1163
00:51:57,000 --> 00:52:02,039
Nikael Alexander Walker third honorable mentions. Before getting to the

1164
00:52:02,159 --> 00:52:05,639
to the dark horses here, I also had Who's the

1165
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:08,679
havel hero? Naz Reed, Anthony Simons, Josh Hart was on

1166
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:13,440
my list, Tarry Easton, Dante DiVincenzo, Scottie Pippen Junior, r

1167
00:52:13,519 --> 00:52:16,800
J Barrett, Keldon Johnson. This is too dark horse for me,

1168
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:20,000
Jace Richardson Grant Like, if they just decided they need

1169
00:52:20,039 --> 00:52:22,039
Scory coming off the bench around actually.

1170
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:23,400
Speaker 2: A really good I think he's gonna play a lot.

1171
00:52:23,519 --> 00:52:24,800
I think they need him to play a lot. I

1172
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:27,039
don't think that's too dark horse at all. Rookie for

1173
00:52:27,119 --> 00:52:28,039
six man, that's fun.

1174
00:52:28,639 --> 00:52:30,960
Speaker 1: I had toppin. I had pods too on my long list,

1175
00:52:31,039 --> 00:52:36,639
Jonas mount Cunis, Naji Marshall, Sam Merrill, Duce McBride, Colin Sexton,

1176
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:40,440
Ty Jerome, Peyton Watson could be there, brook Lopez. I

1177
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:42,920
wanted to pick, but with John Collins coming off the bench,

1178
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:46,119
there's just there's no pathway to him playing enough. When

1179
00:52:46,119 --> 00:52:48,320
it was John Collinson Zubot starting, it was, oh, the

1180
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:50,119
first big off the bench. That's how you get the minutes.

1181
00:52:50,599 --> 00:52:53,440
Speaker 2: I think, like, there's teams I'm focused on. You've mentioned

1182
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:55,760
some guys from them, but still like Memphis for example,

1183
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:58,039
just because you're gonna have bench guys sopping up a

1184
00:52:58,039 --> 00:53:00,639
lot of minutes. And you said Scott Jerome, I don't

1185
00:53:00,639 --> 00:53:02,760
know if you said him as somebody that like one

1186
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:07,000
of those two backup point cards. Any Clipper, Chris Paul

1187
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:10,119
is someone you might want to think about, Bogdanovich, Sure

1188
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:14,159
Jones or Derek Jones or John Collins, one of the two,

1189
00:53:14,199 --> 00:53:17,480
brook Lopez, Like, you could just pick a clipper, pick

1190
00:53:17,519 --> 00:53:23,360
a sixer, because between the Maxi, McCain, Edgecombe Grimes group, like,

1191
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:25,599
not all of them are going to start. So I

1192
00:53:25,679 --> 00:53:28,079
think I think you just kind of looking at situations

1193
00:53:28,119 --> 00:53:29,800
is where I kind of get into my down ballot.

1194
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:33,239
Looks those three teams in particular, who's your wild card,

1195
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:37,480
the one and only Bruce Brown. He's back, and if

1196
00:53:38,199 --> 00:53:44,079
the Nuggets bench is as off season award worthy as

1197
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:46,400
everybody seems to think it is, I could see Bruce

1198
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:49,039
Brown just being the same guy he was on the

1199
00:53:49,039 --> 00:53:51,960
title team, and I think that's good enough on what

1200
00:53:52,039 --> 00:53:54,000
should be a very good team to get some down

1201
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:58,679
ballot consideration. I'm mostly just picking him because he would

1202
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:02,039
fully validate my theory. Not even a theory, it's just

1203
00:54:02,079 --> 00:54:04,360
like it's a fact at this point that like, if

1204
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:06,599
you leave Nikola Jokic, life gets a lot worse, and

1205
00:54:06,639 --> 00:54:09,599
when you come back to him, everything's better and you're

1206
00:54:09,639 --> 00:54:12,239
your best self and you're happier and you're more efficient

1207
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:14,159
and you win awards. So i'd like to see that.

1208
00:54:14,559 --> 00:54:15,599
I'd like to see that proven.

1209
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:18,960
Speaker 1: My wild card is gonna be khalil Ware. It seems

1210
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:21,119
like he's They're gonna start Yovic and Bam, which I

1211
00:54:21,119 --> 00:54:22,760
think is better for him because he comes off the

1212
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:26,239
bench and then he's basically your primary big on the

1213
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:28,719
offensive end, which will allow him to do things inside

1214
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:31,000
the arc screen more rather than just space in place.

1215
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:34,199
But there'll also be the spacing element from him he

1216
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:35,920
will just have. He should be able to gobble up

1217
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:37,920
rebounds while he's on the court, and that to do

1218
00:54:38,039 --> 00:54:40,000
that either way, and then the minutes he plays with

1219
00:54:40,079 --> 00:54:42,440
bam like, that's probably where you'll see like, oh, is

1220
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:44,320
he a good rim protector? What are the shop blocking

1221
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:47,000
numbers there for him? He's I talked about this with

1222
00:54:47,039 --> 00:54:49,039
Wes Goldberg of Lockdown Heat. I don't have a great

1223
00:54:49,079 --> 00:54:50,679
feel for what he could be, but like some of

1224
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:53,199
the flashes make you think that he could be anything

1225
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:57,039
and everything. Him coming off the bench under risbileelstro who's

1226
00:54:57,039 --> 00:54:59,119
given him a lot of tough love. If the minutes

1227
00:54:59,159 --> 00:55:01,000
are gonna be there, there's a chance that the counting

1228
00:55:01,039 --> 00:55:02,280
stats are there as well.

1229
00:55:02,679 --> 00:55:03,760
Speaker 2: Yep, I like that pick.

1230
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:07,840
Speaker 1: We are on to Coach of the Year. Everybody's favorite.

1231
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:08,599
Who do you have? Grant?

1232
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:12,199
Speaker 2: So I went with Jamal Moseley. He's also like if

1233
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:14,159
I were doing hot seat rankings, he might also be

1234
00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:16,519
number one. So there's a question kind of like Coach

1235
00:55:16,559 --> 00:55:19,239
of the Year or else right under the right, and

1236
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:21,280
so I'm going with the Coach of the Year side

1237
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:24,800
of it. Orlando should be way better if they have

1238
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:27,800
the kind of offensive growth that they need to. I

1239
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:30,440
think that will be. I mean, everyone will point to Desmond,

1240
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:32,760
Maine and that'll be partially right, and maybe Paolo gets

1241
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:36,480
better and Franz makes a three, Antias Jones stabilizes the bench,

1242
00:55:37,159 --> 00:55:39,239
all that stuff. But I think Mosley will get a

1243
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:41,960
lot of credit, especially if they're really good defensively, again,

1244
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:44,400
because that it's always the coach I think they get.

1245
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:46,400
You get more credit as a coach for defense and offense,

1246
00:55:46,559 --> 00:55:50,119
I think sometimes, but if the offense gets I don't know,

1247
00:55:50,599 --> 00:55:53,559
fifteenth break even like that, you know, middle of the pack,

1248
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:56,360
he's gonna reflect well on him and that might mean

1249
00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:59,159
the Magic win fifty four games. And so I could

1250
00:55:59,199 --> 00:56:01,599
see I could just the case coming together. Quinn Snyder's

1251
00:56:01,639 --> 00:56:03,920
kind of similar because Atlanta is kind of right there

1252
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:07,159
with Orlando in the expected improvement department, and then David

1253
00:56:07,199 --> 00:56:09,840
Adelman this just this seems to happen right like a

1254
00:56:10,599 --> 00:56:13,679
you're a kind of a new addition or not even

1255
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:16,559
really because he was an assistant, but like takes over

1256
00:56:16,639 --> 00:56:19,960
a team that's already really good, and it seems like

1257
00:56:20,039 --> 00:56:23,800
early career coaches tend to win this more often, more

1258
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:26,639
often than you'd think. So I just again, it's kind

1259
00:56:26,679 --> 00:56:28,639
of a narrative thing. I know the Nuggets are gonna

1260
00:56:28,679 --> 00:56:32,039
be good, and maybe like, oh, that he uses the

1261
00:56:32,079 --> 00:56:34,880
bench better, and oh, maybe maybe the offense shoots a

1262
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:37,000
bunch of threes and he gets credit for that after

1263
00:56:37,079 --> 00:56:39,280
so many years of not doing that. So I could

1264
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:41,679
I could see him winning it in all these cases

1265
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:43,599
like these are just teams that are gonna be really good.

1266
00:56:44,159 --> 00:56:46,320
I don't have Eric Spolstra on my ballot, even though

1267
00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:48,840
I think everyone agrees he's one of the three best coaches,

1268
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:50,840
maybe the best in the league. He's just never gonna

1269
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:51,079
win it.

1270
00:56:52,199 --> 00:56:54,519
Speaker 1: Uh excuse me, sir. He's number two on my ballot,

1271
00:56:54,519 --> 00:56:56,440
which would be the third time he ever finished, and

1272
00:56:56,440 --> 00:56:58,639
that's he's never won it, and he's finished second twice,

1273
00:56:58,679 --> 00:57:01,119
I believe. Uh So the David Adaman case, I had

1274
00:57:01,159 --> 00:57:04,480
him number three. I think if if there's just better

1275
00:57:04,599 --> 00:57:06,719
vibes coming out of denver A coupled with oh, he

1276
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:09,480
overhauled the defense and it worked, that's gonna be a

1277
00:57:09,559 --> 00:57:11,599
huge case because they'll probably have then won like fifty

1278
00:57:11,639 --> 00:57:14,800
seven plus games or whatever it is. Quinn Snyder, I

1279
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:16,440
have him as well. It's like, I think the second

1280
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:18,840
time in three years I've picked him. The Hawks have

1281
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:21,400
more talent. He's already shown that he can use tray

1282
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:23,960
a little bit differently. I think the Hawks are gonna

1283
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:26,440
be good enough to put him on the radar. For Spoelstra,

1284
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:29,840
he's second. This just feels like the coaches I feel

1285
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:32,960
like like to guide the teams that don't have those

1286
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:35,920
crippling expectations, like you want to be at the highest

1287
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:37,920
level and get to a title. But we saw Greg

1288
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:40,519
Popovich get reinvigorated in San Antonio when they kind of

1289
00:57:40,519 --> 00:57:43,360
finally pivoted out of the mediocre error. The Heat are

1290
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:45,400
sort of caught in between. But you've given him a

1291
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:48,840
bunch of flyers and young guys and experimental pieces if

1292
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:51,559
they can have a good offense and then also like

1293
00:57:51,599 --> 00:57:53,880
a good defense while playing Norman Powell and Tyler Hero

1294
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:56,079
together a bunch, and Yovic is getting a ton of minutes,

1295
00:57:56,519 --> 00:57:58,840
his case will be strong. I don't the problem with

1296
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:00,239
Coach of the Year. We said we were to do

1297
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:01,599
this in an hour, so we got to move on.

1298
00:58:01,679 --> 00:58:04,800
But there's just I could name you so many names

1299
00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:07,920
where it's like Rick Carlisle and Tyres Halliburn's like absence,

1300
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:10,320
Like what about Joe Mizzula with not Tatum, the Celtics

1301
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:13,840
are good. Bickerstaff in Detroit, Mike Brown with the Knicks.

1302
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:15,599
You talk about a new coach coming in and where

1303
00:58:15,599 --> 00:58:17,960
the Knicks get that bump? Tylu with the Clippers. There

1304
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:20,519
are so many coaches who like they're not quite dark horses.

1305
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:23,039
You could envision finishing in the top three off this one.

1306
00:58:23,159 --> 00:58:26,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can almost make a case for twenty five

1307
00:58:26,079 --> 00:58:28,760
different coaches, Like really if you wanted to, and like,

1308
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:30,719
I don't know who I'm excluding. I won't name names

1309
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:33,559
because that's just like feels mean, but you can get there.

1310
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:36,599
What about wildcards? Because this is tricky for that reason.

1311
00:58:37,199 --> 00:58:39,000
Who did you go with as your wildcard for Coach

1312
00:58:39,039 --> 00:58:39,440
of the Year?

1313
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:41,800
Speaker 1: So I'll stick with what I did with MVP. It's

1314
00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:44,119
just what if the Raptors are good, everyone's expecting them

1315
00:58:44,199 --> 00:58:46,840
not to be good. We have dark Oroyakovic there. Maybe

1316
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:49,320
he's get like Brandon Ingram shooting more threes and moving

1317
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:51,199
off the ball a ton. The defense is living up

1318
00:58:51,239 --> 00:58:54,840
to its its reputation. Scottie Barnes is more efficient if

1319
00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:57,440
you just figure out a way to tie the whole

1320
00:58:57,840 --> 00:59:02,880
Yaker pertl Ingram, barn RJ. Barrett dynamic, whether it's staggering,

1321
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:05,760
figuring out ways to play them together, that's gonna be

1322
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:08,239
a huge boost in his favor. If the Raptors are

1323
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:10,880
a top six team in the East, would you almost

1324
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:12,719
predict that he winds up finishing top three on the

1325
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:14,119
ballot at that point, And.

1326
00:59:14,159 --> 00:59:16,480
Speaker 2: Then there's gonna be some other awards too, like at

1327
00:59:16,599 --> 00:59:20,800
least of some high ballot stuff. Yeah, it's interesting. So

1328
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:23,039
I went with Chauncey Billups, and it's kind of a

1329
00:59:23,079 --> 00:59:26,360
similar case where there I think both these teams are

1330
00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:30,119
viewed similarly in their respective conferences. Both of their strengths

1331
00:59:30,119 --> 00:59:32,800
are on defense, all of their questions are on offense.

1332
00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:37,840
And the difference is I think Rayakovic kind of still

1333
00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:40,719
has the sheen of like, oh, he's pretty tactically clever,

1334
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:43,559
and they have some real offensive principles that he's real

1335
00:59:43,639 --> 00:59:47,000
serious about. Chauncey Billups, I don't think anybody regards as

1336
00:59:47,039 --> 00:59:49,360
one of the best coaches in the league. So this

1337
00:59:49,599 --> 00:59:53,199
is so and I personally don't. But just situationally, if

1338
00:59:53,199 --> 00:59:57,440
the Blazers win forty four games and are in the

1339
00:59:57,440 --> 00:59:59,800
top six mix or the play in mix at least

1340
01:00:00,679 --> 01:00:03,599
and that defense is top five. I think he's gonna

1341
01:00:03,599 --> 01:00:06,719
get credit for it. I think I think there's a

1342
01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:10,920
real chance that they have an extreme strength and that

1343
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:14,679
gets them farther than most people expect, and and maybe

1344
01:00:14,719 --> 01:00:16,440
the offense looks good to you know. I think there's

1345
01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:17,920
just a way that the Blazer it's really kind of

1346
01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:19,800
a bet on the Blazers more than anything else. And

1347
01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:21,880
I think he'll be acknowledged if if that, if that

1348
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:23,320
pans out well for them.

1349
01:00:23,719 --> 01:00:26,000
Speaker 1: Is Jordi Fernandez more likely to get Coach of the

1350
01:00:26,079 --> 01:00:28,159
Year if the Nets win thirty something games or fired?

1351
01:00:29,039 --> 01:00:32,360
Speaker 2: I was like, the second half is better be fired both.

1352
01:00:32,519 --> 01:00:35,239
Speaker 1: I don't know who do you have for Executive of

1353
01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:35,599
the Year.

1354
01:00:36,280 --> 01:00:38,320
Speaker 2: I mean, you gotta go with the team that just

1355
01:00:38,360 --> 01:00:41,679
did all the fleecing so Atlanta Hawks on Si Salle

1356
01:00:43,039 --> 01:00:45,440
we've had. I can't get over the trade with New Orleans.

1357
01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:47,880
I was a huge win. I think the Alexander Walker

1358
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:51,679
signing is or sign and trade is spectacular. Getting porzingis

1359
01:00:52,039 --> 01:00:55,119
even Luke Canard. It's just the Hawks kind of won

1360
01:00:55,159 --> 01:00:56,960
the offseason in a lot of ways, so it has

1361
01:00:57,000 --> 01:00:58,840
to be him for now. We'll see how that pans

1362
01:00:58,880 --> 01:01:02,440
out for that is Lawrence frank just be for excellence

1363
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:04,719
and not answering questions. I think we need to honor

1364
01:01:05,039 --> 01:01:07,719
that he was really good at dodging all the aspiration

1365
01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:10,920
and Uncle Dennis stuff. But like that off season was

1366
01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:13,880
also just absurd. The amount of depth that he added

1367
01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:19,519
to the Clippers is ridiculous. And then who do I

1368
01:01:19,559 --> 01:01:20,239
have here next?

1369
01:01:20,519 --> 01:01:23,039
Speaker 1: Oh you Jeff Welman number two? Right?

1370
01:01:23,079 --> 01:01:25,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, sorry, I had Jeff Welman number two. I jumped

1371
01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:27,760
right to Lawrence frank I was looking at your side.

1372
01:01:28,119 --> 01:01:31,320
The Desmond Bin trade was really bold and getting Tias

1373
01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:34,360
Jones like, I think the Magic did what they could

1374
01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:37,400
to address the problems we all knew they had, and

1375
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:39,639
so I think if things work out well for them,

1376
01:01:39,719 --> 01:01:42,119
Jamal Mosley might be Coach of the Year and Weltman

1377
01:01:42,559 --> 01:01:46,079
and Anthony Parker perspectively, that Orlando front office might get

1378
01:01:46,079 --> 01:01:46,800
acknowledged too.

1379
01:01:47,960 --> 01:01:49,719
Speaker 1: I went with Auntie at number one to the nets.

1380
01:01:49,880 --> 01:01:51,960
The Hawks are just one of the biggest offseason winners.

1381
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:54,440
I had Lawrence Frankett two. I'm curious that the stink

1382
01:01:54,880 --> 01:01:56,920
of the whole aspiration thing would impact how the Clippers

1383
01:01:56,960 --> 01:02:00,840
are viewed, but the actual transaction that they did over

1384
01:02:00,840 --> 01:02:03,280
the offseason. You don't love the Norman Powell trade, but

1385
01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:05,360
when you look at it in some because it's John

1386
01:02:05,440 --> 01:02:08,960
Collins and Bradley Bieler coming, getting Brook Lopez just home

1387
01:02:09,039 --> 01:02:11,480
run stuff there, keeping the flexibility in your next James

1388
01:02:11,480 --> 01:02:15,480
Harden deal as well. And then I had Rafael Stone

1389
01:02:15,679 --> 01:02:18,000
in Houston. I think that you could say he over

1390
01:02:18,039 --> 01:02:21,719
indexed on like not guards or ball handlers, like they

1391
01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:24,760
just have all these They're not all forwards and bigs,

1392
01:02:24,760 --> 01:02:27,719
but they play like forwards and biggs. So there's that element.

1393
01:02:27,800 --> 01:02:30,599
But also you got Kevin Durant. It wasn't that big

1394
01:02:30,599 --> 01:02:32,119
of a price if you end up being way better.

1395
01:02:32,199 --> 01:02:34,840
We love the Jabari Smith extension that could be part

1396
01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:36,800
of it. And then also they have amo to do

1397
01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:40,559
stuff at the trade deadline as well, once contract once

1398
01:02:40,639 --> 01:02:42,840
Fred van Fleet specifically becomes eligible to be traded or

1399
01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:44,840
some of the other deals do as well, so the

1400
01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:46,519
team could still improve.

1401
01:02:47,039 --> 01:02:50,119
Speaker 2: Yep, yeah, any other like down ballot guys. Before we

1402
01:02:50,159 --> 01:02:53,880
get to the long shot picks. I mean, I think,

1403
01:02:54,199 --> 01:02:56,800
what about Mike That's the one I was gonna point

1404
01:02:56,840 --> 01:03:01,880
to for the entire he I just mashed the cominga situation,

1405
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:04,840
got everything they possibly could have wanted was comfortable he

1406
01:03:04,920 --> 01:03:08,280
Daryl Morey did, he was comfortable being uncomfortable and you know,

1407
01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:11,239
took a It is still not a great situation, but

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01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:13,039
I think the Warriors come out of it looking about

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01:03:13,039 --> 01:03:15,199
as good as you can. Horford is kind of like

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01:03:15,239 --> 01:03:16,519
he wanted to play there. So I don't know how

1411
01:03:16,599 --> 01:03:19,400
much credit you give the Warriors for that, but that

1412
01:03:19,559 --> 01:03:22,079
that could be one of the most meaningful offseason acquisitions

1413
01:03:22,079 --> 01:03:24,480
in the league if it goes right. So he definitely

1414
01:03:24,559 --> 01:03:24,920
is up there.

1415
01:03:24,920 --> 01:03:27,840
Speaker 1: For me, people will give Brad Stevens credit for the

1416
01:03:27,880 --> 01:03:31,000
way he shed money from the Celtics, especially what if

1417
01:03:31,039 --> 01:03:33,679
he gets them to duck the tax without giving up

1418
01:03:33,719 --> 01:03:37,239
a single like real draft pick. No nobody ever credits

1419
01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:39,760
those like it'll be well like, I don't know, I

1420
01:03:39,760 --> 01:03:41,199
feel like everybody credits those.

1421
01:03:41,239 --> 01:03:43,800
Speaker 2: Well, we do, we do, But it's not like I

1422
01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:46,119
think it's when it's like a it's more it's gotta

1423
01:03:46,119 --> 01:03:47,679
be more of a presty thing where it's like, look

1424
01:03:47,679 --> 01:03:49,480
at all the picks they got from this tear down,

1425
01:03:49,480 --> 01:03:51,320
as opposed to look at all the money they saved.

1426
01:03:51,599 --> 01:03:53,920
I don't think I don't think that gets rewarded.

1427
01:03:53,599 --> 01:03:56,800
Speaker 1: We didn't mention Presty, but no player options on Homegrunner,

1428
01:03:56,880 --> 01:04:00,119
jjar The Aj Mitchell and Jaylen william Cock. Now what

1429
01:04:00,159 --> 01:04:02,559
if Brooks barnheis theer's all of a sudden on all rookie?

1430
01:04:02,599 --> 01:04:04,199
Do we just give the award? Do we rename it

1431
01:04:04,239 --> 01:04:05,199
after Sam Presty?

1432
01:04:05,719 --> 01:04:08,039
Speaker 2: I mean that raises the question of is there like

1433
01:04:08,119 --> 01:04:10,800
Presty and thunder fatigue, Like we can't just give him everything?

1434
01:04:11,039 --> 01:04:15,039
I think everybody else, Yes, watch Presty's a wizard. Yeah,

1435
01:04:15,039 --> 01:04:17,760
what about the I guess it's Austin Age. It's probably

1436
01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:20,559
just Danny Ainge. But like the Bailey pick was ballsy

1437
01:04:20,800 --> 01:04:22,599
like that, that wasn't an easy pick to make in

1438
01:04:22,639 --> 01:04:24,719
the moment, given all the stuff that was floating around

1439
01:04:24,719 --> 01:04:27,679
pre draft. If he if he wins Rookie of the Year,

1440
01:04:28,119 --> 01:04:29,480
I don't know, you might think about it.

1441
01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:32,480
Speaker 1: I won't because that use of trade was still in it.

1442
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:35,519
Speaker 2: Right, it's still a mystery. We don't know. We don't

1443
01:04:35,519 --> 01:04:36,480
know what that was about.

1444
01:04:36,599 --> 01:04:38,920
Speaker 1: No one's ever You were listening to the Sarah Todd

1445
01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:41,039
episode right where she explained the watch to us, like

1446
01:04:42,199 --> 01:04:46,039
still out, I'm still out on it? Ye, who's your

1447
01:04:46,039 --> 01:04:47,599
wild Card.

1448
01:04:47,519 --> 01:04:52,480
Speaker 2: Ben Tenzer slash uh Jonathan Wallace, John Wallace, it's hard

1449
01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:55,880
to say if the Nuggets. This is kind of the

1450
01:04:55,920 --> 01:04:59,079
same logic as the Bruce Brown six man dark horse pick,

1451
01:04:59,159 --> 01:05:02,280
Like if if this bench actually does give Jokic the

1452
01:05:02,280 --> 01:05:04,760
opportunity to rest, then if it does actually not get

1453
01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:08,800
absolutely smoked when Yokich isn't on the floor, that's the

1454
01:05:08,840 --> 01:05:11,199
thing the Nuggets have never had, and so to do

1455
01:05:11,239 --> 01:05:15,360
that with such limited resources now the MPG trade, we're

1456
01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:19,119
gonna litigate that forever. You give up an unprotected first,

1457
01:05:19,119 --> 01:05:21,079
that's always a rough look for a player that's like

1458
01:05:21,159 --> 01:05:24,440
debatably better than the one you gave up. Tough look,

1459
01:05:24,480 --> 01:05:26,719
But if Cam Johnson's really good and this bench is

1460
01:05:26,760 --> 01:05:28,840
really good, I think the Nuggets then will be really

1461
01:05:28,840 --> 01:05:30,920
good and everybody's gonna want to pack these guys on

1462
01:05:30,920 --> 01:05:31,239
the back.

1463
01:05:32,360 --> 01:05:36,960
Speaker 1: I also had Sean Marx because like we romanticize the

1464
01:05:36,960 --> 01:05:39,719
teardowns and it's you got the Nuggets unprotected pick. But

1465
01:05:39,760 --> 01:05:42,320
Michael Porter Junior, what if he's healthy and good and

1466
01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:45,960
not podcasting during the season the Hayward high Smith trade,

1467
01:05:46,039 --> 01:05:48,360
what if they got something for him, and then we'll

1468
01:05:48,360 --> 01:05:50,960
get something for moving him. We could look at they

1469
01:05:50,960 --> 01:05:53,760
didn't give in to cam Thomas and maybe does he

1470
01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:55,880
up his value and they're able to move him and

1471
01:05:55,880 --> 01:05:58,760
he's gonna wave his implicit no trade clause. The other

1472
01:05:58,840 --> 01:06:01,920
thing is every one we went in depth with Lucas

1473
01:06:01,960 --> 01:06:03,679
Kaplan of Nets Daily, so go check out the look

1474
01:06:03,719 --> 01:06:06,280
at There's stuff to like about the picks they made,

1475
01:06:06,320 --> 01:06:10,239
but everyone was so down on their aggregate draft haul.

1476
01:06:10,719 --> 01:06:13,880
What if one or two of those guys just pop

1477
01:06:14,320 --> 01:06:17,199
Jaeger Demon's all rookie Nolan Trey Are looks great, Danny

1478
01:06:17,199 --> 01:06:19,800
Wolf is doing things while playing all five positions for

1479
01:06:19,840 --> 01:06:22,960
some reason, where Benson Raff is playing well. So you

1480
01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:26,079
look at that, I feel like there's potential for him

1481
01:06:26,079 --> 01:06:28,480
to sneak in. Knowing how we feel about teams that

1482
01:06:28,519 --> 01:06:31,239
are just starting their rebuilds, it's ah like, look at

1483
01:06:31,239 --> 01:06:33,280
all they've done. If a couple of these rookies wind

1484
01:06:33,320 --> 01:06:36,159
up panding out right away, his case gets a lot stronger.

1485
01:06:35,880 --> 01:06:39,960
Speaker 2: I think too. If and I'm hoping for this if this,

1486
01:06:40,159 --> 01:06:42,000
like one of the things we talk most about with

1487
01:06:42,000 --> 01:06:45,800
with Lucas was like this this philosophical basketball experiment of

1488
01:06:45,840 --> 01:06:48,400
like the player types that the NETS are targeting and

1489
01:06:48,400 --> 01:06:50,440
how they might want to play like kind of pacerz

1490
01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:54,239
if and everybody's down on those picks, like in the aggregate,

1491
01:06:54,320 --> 01:06:56,320
like you said, if it kind of works and you

1492
01:06:56,360 --> 01:06:59,719
can see the nets, like with this emerging style, that

1493
01:06:59,800 --> 01:07:02,239
might be kind of like a vanguard, cutting edge like

1494
01:07:02,280 --> 01:07:05,039
way to play, and it's because of these rookies, then

1495
01:07:05,119 --> 01:07:07,719
it's like, oh, this guy's kind of like he was

1496
01:07:07,760 --> 01:07:09,599
ahead of the curve, and that that's really going to

1497
01:07:09,639 --> 01:07:11,639
get a lot of attention. I will be paying attention

1498
01:07:11,639 --> 01:07:13,199
to it. I guess I don't know what everybody else

1499
01:07:13,239 --> 01:07:14,039
will do.

1500
01:07:14,039 --> 01:07:15,880
Speaker 1: Do you have anything else or are you ready to

1501
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:16,920
take us out of here? Sir?

1502
01:07:17,719 --> 01:07:20,159
Speaker 2: I'm good to go. I think we've sufficiently put ourselves

1503
01:07:20,159 --> 01:07:20,920
out there, and.

1504
01:07:20,960 --> 01:07:23,760
Speaker 1: I do like doing better after we have sample size

1505
01:07:23,800 --> 01:07:25,400
was to work with rather than prediction.

1506
01:07:25,920 --> 01:07:28,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, then you have to use things like evidence. I

1507
01:07:28,079 --> 01:07:31,400
hate it. Thanks everybody for listening, for watching. Make sure

1508
01:07:31,440 --> 01:07:33,400
your rate reviews subscribe to you all that stuff. Let

1509
01:07:33,480 --> 01:07:35,960
us know how if our wild card picks were too wild,

1510
01:07:36,199 --> 01:07:39,719
we're not wild enough. It's gonna do it. Tell your friends,

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01:07:39,719 --> 01:07:42,199
tell your emmy shops. Franklinili Kein apologies Jared Allen,