Speaker 1: Welcome to episode five sixty four of five Dive It.
Speaker 1: It's Monday, July twentieth. I'm your host, Kray Goldstein, joined
Speaker 1: as usual by Patrick Dubuke and Jeffrey patron Nostro. Good morning,
Speaker 1: Good afternoon for me, Good morning for you guys. How
Speaker 1: is the weekend? What do we have for banter? Uh?
Speaker 2: Do we want World covered? Dog?
Speaker 1: Well, let's just world.
Speaker 2: You know where I'm voting, I know, yeah, Well just couple.
Speaker 1: Let's get out of the way. Awful, awful finals. Spain
Speaker 1: deserved it at our team, the entire game, the entire tournament.
Speaker 2: Argentina diabolical game of football.
Speaker 1: Argentina made that miserable. Ye watch? Uh and and just
Speaker 1: like shitty in gen I mean, like, I know that's
Speaker 1: the reputation right that it's I saw I think it
Speaker 1: was Ben Clements say this is this is a team
Speaker 1: of one Steph Curry and everyone else is Draymond Green.
Speaker 1: And that's that's not super wrong. That was tough.
Speaker 2: It was a tough watch People on like social media
Speaker 2: and stuff be like, well, you know it was. It
Speaker 2: was tense, right, it was tense, And yeah, I guess,
Speaker 2: but I was also just like doing other things in
Speaker 2: the living room while it was if you if.
Speaker 1: You were rooting for Spain, was it ever really tense? Yeah,
Speaker 1: they didn't get a shot in in the first ninety minutes.
Speaker 2: Yeah that's it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, that was like not a game that would
Speaker 1: get a socker someone into soccer right now.
Speaker 2: The third place game, on the other.
Speaker 1: Hand, yeah, very different.
Speaker 2: Just we're talking about, like, you know, how to fix
Speaker 2: the All Star Game, just make it like that, to
Speaker 2: make the baseball of whatever that is. Yeah, it wasn't
Speaker 2: even like the no defense and no effort stuff like.
Speaker 2: It was also like combined with just everybody shooting threes
Speaker 2: basically see at the same time and a lot of
Speaker 2: them going in. So yeah, that was fun as far
Speaker 2: as dog goes. You know, I haven't had a puppy
Speaker 2: in a while. We have an older dog that's not
Speaker 2: a big sure of things like bones or toys or whatever.
Speaker 2: But we have some laying around the house and the
Speaker 2: puppy seems like them, and we got him like more
Speaker 2: various bones and sticks and toys to chew on. All
Speaker 2: that dog wants to do is go outside, dig up rocks,
Speaker 2: carry them into the house and no on them. Rocks, rocks,
Speaker 2: don't get dogs to rocks. Always pitched the rocks, like
Speaker 2: you know, you got to give him a high value
Speaker 2: toy to get the rock. He doesn't seem particularly perturbed.
Speaker 2: And we take just a collection of rocks on the
Speaker 2: table by the door now. But because I throw him
Speaker 2: back out there, he's just gonna go back and get him.
Speaker 3: So I mean, we'll say my cat. You know cats,
Speaker 3: they you know, cardboard boxes are essentially the same thing,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 2: The box, but he choos on boxes too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not sure I've ever heard of a dog.
Speaker 1: I'm not a We've never had him dog, so I
Speaker 1: don't This is ignorance more than him, I'm sure, But
Speaker 1: like I I had not heard of a dog going
Speaker 1: after rocks specifically.
Speaker 2: It's very funny because the other short face, because he's
Speaker 2: a pug Yorky mix, so he can't like he's just
Speaker 2: like try to carry these like fairly large rocks into
Speaker 2: how they're just like taking up his entire face, Like
Speaker 2: you're not able to sneak that in, but sorry, it's
Speaker 2: not gonna not gonna happen.
Speaker 3: It's not good for you to chew on a rock.
Speaker 2: He just put her nose on them. I mean no,
Speaker 2: we can like break his puppy teeth on them. But
Speaker 2: that's why I switch him out for the bones or
Speaker 2: the chew toys or whatever.
Speaker 3: It seems like there would be some enamel damage after
Speaker 3: a while, Like like bones are hard, but their bones are.
Speaker 3: The teeth are the hardest bones, so therefore all other
Speaker 3: bones are weaker. Like the teeth win over the bone box,
Speaker 3: win over teeth? Did you both?
Speaker 1: We got a new game called Bone Bone Teeth Rock.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's no wrap around, there's no paper.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, no, I my deck's not finished, but I'm
Speaker 3: not near it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so.
Speaker 3: Three hours away from my deck. Yeah, I uh playing
Speaker 3: start a new game this weekend that I will recommend.
Speaker 3: I won't say that much about it because it's very
Speaker 3: plot focused, but it's called Slay the Princess. It is
Speaker 3: a choice based visual novel brand. You know travel You're
Speaker 3: down the branching trees. Basically, you are set rather forcefully
Speaker 3: outside of cabin and you were told that you have
Speaker 3: to go inside and kill the princess that is in
Speaker 3: the basement of the cabin. And whether you do that
Speaker 3: or not, or how you decide to go about doing that.
Speaker 3: There are lots of different endings, and so you're just
Speaker 3: basically like.
Speaker 1: This is like the Argentina span of video games. You
Speaker 1: said choice, choice based visuals. Yeah, what is that? My
Speaker 1: brain shut down?
Speaker 2: Yeah, adventure novel Craig.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sure we can't. We're not actually invoking the name
Speaker 1: of that brand.
Speaker 3: Yeah, verys even online audio.
Speaker 1: No, I'm just I'm warning, I'm waving them off. We're
Speaker 1: not actually invoking.
Speaker 3: Anyway. It's a good game. I recommend it. It's fun.
Speaker 1: I went to uh Philadelphia this weekend. I have to
Speaker 1: two friends.
Speaker 2: You know, the All Star Game was last weekend.
Speaker 1: I did know that I have one of my friends
Speaker 1: who has a birthday very it is their birthday today,
Speaker 1: in fact, a birthday very close to mine. Her husband
Speaker 1: through her surprise party and several people from out of
Speaker 1: town came in. We were one of them, but I
Speaker 1: went up. I had a lovely dinner at Tululu's Garden,
Speaker 1: phenomenal place, highly recommend And really the reason I'm bringing
Speaker 1: this up at all is on the way back, well,
Speaker 1: there was some serendipity. We were at the hotel, had diners,
Speaker 1: drive ins, and I've so on because there's nothing on
Speaker 1: a Friday and an episode came on and they were
Speaker 1: in Philly, and they were at a place called Mom
Speaker 1: Mom's which does Polish food and specifically Perogi's and specifically
Speaker 1: a cheese steak parogi because obviously it's yeah question. The
Speaker 1: place had actually it aired in like August twenty two,
Speaker 1: so the place had so had they had obviously filmed
Speaker 1: before the pandemic, but and it had closed in the
Speaker 1: intervening time, but they had reopened like within a bar
Speaker 1: slash brewery. So we ended up we did stop on
Speaker 1: the way back and picked some up. And I have
Speaker 1: to tell you it, maybe it's cliche as well, but
Speaker 1: the the cheese steak Perrogi is unreal. We also got
Speaker 1: like potato and cheese and stuff like that. We picked
Speaker 1: up a bunch really really good. So that's my recommendation
Speaker 1: if you're in around Philly. I really liked it. That's
Speaker 1: what I've got. Let's go to our first segment, I'm
Speaker 1: in Love with Massachusetts. I'm in love with the radio
Speaker 1: on Jeffrey explain it to me.
Speaker 2: It's the modern love. It's like Roadrunner by the Modern Lovers.
Speaker 2: It is one of the seminal songs of the nineteen seventies, Craik.
Speaker 1: I usually know seventies. I'm not. I'm not aware of Okay,
Speaker 1: I'll have to check it out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, is it seminal since that like every team has
Speaker 3: an ace?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Sure, okay, Wow, anyway, I don't want to you
Speaker 2: shipping up to Boston on bored with it.
Speaker 1: No, that's fine, that's fine. No, I appreciate, you know,
Speaker 1: expanding the repertoire. Boston continues to win thirteen in a row.
Speaker 2: It's a lot of games.
Speaker 1: It's a lot of games. It is a lot of games.
Speaker 1: There are now two games above five hundred. They accomplished
Speaker 1: thirteen in a row by sweeping.
Speaker 2: The Rays, mopping the Rays.
Speaker 1: Mopping the Rays. Excuse me, I'm feeling better. I'm feeling
Speaker 1: better about my my previous sleep.
Speaker 2: It's very funny if the only team in the Alas
Speaker 2: you didn't think past the Rays are going to pass
Speaker 2: the Rais.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well I don't. Did I say specifically the Red Sox?
Speaker 2: And yeah, I think you said the Ras we're going
Speaker 2: to finish fourth?
Speaker 1: So okay, all right, fair enough. Yeah, I look, I'm
Speaker 1: not sure I super believe in the Red Sox. Sure,
Speaker 1: but I mostly don't believe in the race.
Speaker 2: Right, and like actually, like we've talked about you talked
Speaker 2: about the red talks a couple weeks ago, I think,
Speaker 2: maybe like a week ago, at the beginning of this wedding.
Speaker 1: Streak or whatever, they had won a bunch in a row.
Speaker 2: And you look at I mean, I know they're still
Speaker 2: they're starting Patrick Standival, which I don't fully understand, but
Speaker 2: they do seem to have put together like a good
Speaker 2: starting rotation at this point.
Speaker 1: Well, at the time, I remember talking about Peyton Totley,
Speaker 1: Jake Bennett, and Connelly Early who was on the IL,
Speaker 1: and plus obviously Sunn and Gray's having a very good season. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and Ranger Suarez had gotten himself back on the walls
Speaker 1: game since then, Connelly Early, I think at the time
Speaker 1: was already already on the went on the IL.
Speaker 2: That sally why Patrick Sandoval is here, which is.
Speaker 1: Why Patrick Sandaval is here. But they have I mean,
Speaker 1: if you get if.
Speaker 2: Patrick Sanderval is like your eighth starter, you're also like
Speaker 2: not in the worst shape and.
Speaker 3: Sure, which is what he was designed to be.
Speaker 2: Absolutely especially at this point.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this team's just got a free Jake Bennett.
Speaker 1: Well, I think it is if at some point they
Speaker 1: can get Gray Suarez early totally and Bennett, that's that's
Speaker 1: a really.
Speaker 2: Strong not even mentioning Garrett Crochet.
Speaker 1: I don't know his health status obviously.
Speaker 2: I don't know if they do, or if they do,
Speaker 2: they're not telling us so, right, well, and.
Speaker 3: I'm sure is very optimistic about if.
Speaker 1: You get Crochet and you get Crochet back and you
Speaker 1: put totally in the bullpen as like a multi inning monster.
Speaker 2: I mean, like you can get a Crochet back for
Speaker 2: the playoffs, right, like you're making them a couple of
Speaker 2: starts before then and slot into that rotation again. That's
Speaker 2: when you use you know, you can do Crochet Gray
Speaker 2: Suarez and used totally or even like you don't really
Speaker 2: even if you just use Crochet as like a prescribed
Speaker 2: multi inning guy, right because he hasn't thrown much or whatever,
Speaker 2: like Andrew Miller, but not like as in saying as
Speaker 2: he used Andrew Miller in the playoffs, right, right, But
Speaker 2: that kind of role you do it with totally two obviously.
Speaker 2: But the thing that's really changed here is they have
Speaker 2: gotten one additional infielder hitting that is Caleb durban.
Speaker 1: Right, Caleb Durbin is almost back to league average. This
Speaker 1: is what we talked about. He was I think even further.
Speaker 1: I think he was at like eighty nine last time.
Speaker 1: He's now up to ninety six for ops plus. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Wilson Contrares also just continues. He's it's not like he's
Speaker 1: living off a first half and doing okay, he's get
Speaker 1: he's doing better. I think he was in the one
Speaker 1: fifties last time. He's now at one sixty two ops plus.
Speaker 1: So down in Rafaela. I saw this, I think on
Speaker 1: on Zach Kreiser's newsletter, The Bandwagon. But like he's just
Speaker 1: doing like a poor man's Pete Crow Armstrong essentially more
Speaker 1: or less, and that's fantastic.
Speaker 2: We'll actually getting on base at a decent clip now too,
Speaker 2: which is helping Rafaela.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's okay.
Speaker 2: I mean he's it's over three hundred, yeah, yes, it's.
Speaker 1: Yeah, in the three twenties.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. William braw is mashing again starting after the All
Speaker 1: Star break.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you said two two home run games. I think
Speaker 2: I think you're literally against the Rays.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah, I don't know. Boston is if you
Speaker 1: go by Pakoda, they have a what am I looking
Speaker 1: at here? Forty one percent chance of making the playoffs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's like, I know, you're catching them
Speaker 2: at their best, right they're at the they've had a third.
Speaker 2: I don't know if they're at the middle of the end.
Speaker 2: It's hard to argue. Yes, And I don't think any
Speaker 2: other team in this AL wild Card race is capable
Speaker 2: of doing that, right So, And look, they had to
Speaker 2: do that just to get would you back in the
Speaker 2: long card spot?
Speaker 1: But would you have thought they were capable of doing
Speaker 1: it before they did it?
Speaker 2: More so than any of the other teams in the
Speaker 2: AL Wildcard race? Okay, like more so than the ass
Speaker 2: the Twins, the Tigers, whoever.
Speaker 3: It is comforting that it's mostly the good players were
Speaker 3: going on benders, like there is there is a lot
Speaker 3: of you know, seven hundred slugging Monasteria.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, but that that happens, right, Like yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: It's guys that you would think would I do think
Speaker 3: it's funny that Jaron Duran is still not He's the
Speaker 3: only guy in the lineup that's still in it.
Speaker 2: They brought into my Jones and he's hit when they've
Speaker 2: used him. But yeah, there's a lot of that.
Speaker 1: Might like he I could see him hidden off the monster.
Speaker 2: Oh sure he can do that. Well, that's the thing
Speaker 2: that's happened with Raphaela too, is he's figured out just
Speaker 2: how to He has like twenty five doubles, Like he's
Speaker 2: just figured out how to pull the ball off the monster,
Speaker 2: which is like all he really needs to do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the other part of it. And I'm not
Speaker 1: saying I think all of this is necessarily super sustainable
Speaker 1: or whatever. But these guys that they've kind of plugged in,
Speaker 1: like none of them are going like you said, they're
Speaker 1: not having like really benders, they're just Connor Wong has
Speaker 1: a one fifteen opim plus. Yeah that's above above his head, right,
Speaker 1: but it's not crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a league average. Anthony Siegler is so much better
Speaker 2: than anything else they've had in the middle endfield this year.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, and then Sigler's at one oh nine, and like, okay,
Speaker 1: that's it again. If you want to say it's over performance,
Speaker 1: I'm with you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, still lapping good this month either, but yeah.
Speaker 1: It's not it's not carrying the team, right, This isn't.
Speaker 1: This isn't when Leoti Taveras had a nine hundred ops. Right,
Speaker 1: there's there's a difference to that.
Speaker 2: Yes, but also how dare you?
Speaker 1: Uh, Masatakiyoshida has been better. I mean he's up to
Speaker 1: over league average.
Speaker 2: Again, I don't want to do the bit like we're
Speaker 2: describing a five hundred team, but we're also like, yeah,
Speaker 2: because the way we kind of are right, like it's
Speaker 2: an unusual way to get there.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean this team now has a better
Speaker 1: run deferential than the race. Yeah, by thirty runs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all of which I think they picked up in
Speaker 2: this series. Fair.
Speaker 1: I I don't know. I don't know what you want
Speaker 1: me to say. I can't. I can't say this looks
Speaker 1: like a great team. But I look at Tampa and
Speaker 1: I don't feel like I should back off my my
Speaker 1: previous proclamation. I know we do this. They have three hitters. Yeah,
Speaker 1: for if you count Ryan Valaide. I don't believe in
Speaker 1: Ryan valaid.
Speaker 2: He gets a lot, but a lot Okay, Well, yeah.
Speaker 1: Someone's gonna say something.
Speaker 2: The you know, the yank usually didn't take advantage of
Speaker 2: this either, because they lost to it at three ters. Okay,
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure they said. Dam I'm gonna blame the
Speaker 2: announcer at the Double A Stadium. Uh. But yeah, I look,
Speaker 2: I think they're going to make the playoffs now, the
Speaker 2: Red Sox. The Red Sox. Yeah, okay, for a couple
Speaker 2: of reasons. One, they're currently in the spot and playing well.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say they're there, They're there, They've gotten there.
Speaker 2: And two, I think there's just like, you have to
Speaker 2: be a certain quality of team to roll off a
Speaker 2: thirteen game win streak period, and you know, you don't
Speaker 2: have to be an amazing team, but you have to
Speaker 2: be I think, better than the Twins, Tigers, Orioles, Mariners, Rangers, Astros,
Speaker 2: and anybody else you want me to name. Maybe the
Speaker 2: Guardians and a White Sox too. Yeah, I said the Tigers,
Speaker 2: the twenty twenty six version of the Tigers at least.
Speaker 2: So yeah. Again, I think they're going to lose at
Speaker 2: some point. Obviously, they're probably going to a losing streak
Speaker 2: at some point, but I think their momentum will just
Speaker 2: kind of take them to eighty five wins and that'll
Speaker 2: probably be enough. They're also likely to buy at the deadline. Yeah. Now,
Speaker 2: they don't have the easiest holes to fix, because I
Speaker 2: don't know where they're getting a shortstop or getting rid
Speaker 2: of Jaron DuRane.
Speaker 3: At some point they just have to Yeah, shoved around
Speaker 3: on the bench.
Speaker 1: She's Roman Anthony coming back this year.
Speaker 2: No one knows, Craig. Okay, we go over there every
Speaker 2: two weeks.
Speaker 3: Some clarity would be appreciated.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he continues rehab from hand. Uh three hours ago
Speaker 2: on Mas Live. Still no timeline on outfielder's return. So no, literally,
Speaker 2: no one knows.
Speaker 3: Greg, We're not going to resume hitting if they're still
Speaker 3: discomfort in.
Speaker 2: Man, Yeah, fair enough.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, I don't mean as you're saying, like the
Speaker 1: problem is, like where do you.
Speaker 2: Get a shortstop Francisco indoor?
Speaker 1: Okay, and you.
Speaker 2: Got that that's the one that's available right now. So
Speaker 2: I discussed this. We obviously we did a long Francisco
Speaker 2: indoor trade segment on for your kids out there. But like, man,
Speaker 2: if you unload the Christian Campbell contract and a bad
Speaker 2: contract swop with for Lindor, do you.
Speaker 1: Those aren't remotely contracts? No?
Speaker 2: But it like I don't know what they value Lindor
Speaker 2: as right now. Right like how underwater it's five and
Speaker 2: one seventy left I think, or five to one sixty
Speaker 2: plus whatever's left this year? Like if you think that
Speaker 2: contracts fifty sixty million dollars underwater, and you can unload
Speaker 2: the Campbell contract like it's one of the few get
Speaker 2: something from the position. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't think so, I don't. I don't think I
Speaker 1: understand that's like how the math works.
Speaker 2: No, I know, I don't think it would just be
Speaker 2: like a straight up like other stuff would have to
Speaker 2: happen for each end of the teams to sell that deal, right, But.
Speaker 1: I mean I think and I don't think New York
Speaker 1: would take it. To be clear, you'd have to, like
Speaker 1: you said, they have they take a product, have to
Speaker 1: figure out Trevor's story.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think. Yeah, if the Red Sox are gonna
Speaker 3: solve Shortstop through this deadline, they're gonna have to take
Speaker 3: on money, right, They're gonna have to. Lindor is the
Speaker 3: good obvious one. There are funnier ones.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Uh. You know, you look at Ezekiel Tovar and think, well,
Speaker 3: maybe he deserves to play somewhere else he's he's.
Speaker 2: It also definitely hit balls off the Green Monster. That
Speaker 2: is a thing he can do.
Speaker 1: But also just do what he's doing in Colorado in Boston,
Speaker 1: and then you've solved nothing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, but also your Trevor story is you know
Speaker 3: there The funniest outcome though, would be Willia Donna's Yeah, okay,
Speaker 3: all right, I'm listening. I mean the Giants have shown
Speaker 3: there absolutely willing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Giants did them a solid by taking a
Speaker 2: bad contract on their hands.
Speaker 1: I actually think that I am listening on that. Yeah, underwater,
Speaker 1: And also he might just be better there. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: also actually being a contributor.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's like it's a better part. It's
Speaker 2: a better park to pull balls in the air exactly,
Speaker 2: like ninety eight miles an hour, right than it is.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, way way wait.
Speaker 2: Wait way better. Yeah, most are, but especially in Boston.
Speaker 2: Look you can try to do you know, the Astros
Speaker 2: have faded a little bit.
Speaker 1: I doesn't say paina is probably is probably.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's more of like a traditional by trade. And look,
Speaker 2: they have a deep farm system that they can I
Speaker 2: think he's got what two years left after this one
Speaker 2: or maybe it's just one is it's just one year
Speaker 2: of control, but either way they can.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think yes, Pini is a free agent.
Speaker 2: Twenty okay, so it's one and a half years. That's
Speaker 2: like a fairly straightforward. We give you to top one
Speaker 2: on one prospects that we have for a year and
Speaker 2: a half of Jeremy Panya if they want to do that,
Speaker 2: if either side wants to do that, Boston probably should
Speaker 2: want to do that. The Astros, I don't know what
Speaker 2: the Astros.
Speaker 3: Also should probably wants to do that.
Speaker 2: But probably yeah, Like they have a crowded infield too, right, Like,
Speaker 2: it's not like he's not going to extend there.
Speaker 1: Stop, I mean do that.
Speaker 2: They could They've been playing Korea there when he's been
Speaker 2: hurt this year and even hurt her, like they might
Speaker 2: just do that. K is also hurt at the moment. Yes,
Speaker 2: Pain is healthy, so he's playing shortstop. But when they
Speaker 2: were both like they were doing some weird stuff when
Speaker 2: they were both healthy. I don't know if they were
Speaker 2: both fully healthy at any point in time. Yeah, at
Speaker 2: the same point in time this season.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, this is this is the thing
Speaker 1: you run into, you know. I keep saying this, but
Speaker 1: up and down this deadline is like, Okay, the Reds
Speaker 1: are out of it and are sellers. You're not getting
Speaker 1: Eli Dela Cruz.
Speaker 2: No, right, like they've made they're basically signaled their only trade.
Speaker 1: Oils are out of it. You're not getting Bobby Wett, sure, right.
Speaker 2: You might get Garcia. No, I don't think you will,
Speaker 2: but you might, like theoretical think, so you're not getting
Speaker 2: zach Netto from the.
Speaker 1: Getting right, this is the problem you're not getting and
Speaker 1: I don't know you're not getting Jacob Wilson. I don't
Speaker 1: know if that's helpful, but like you know, the teams
Speaker 1: that are out of it are almost.
Speaker 2: Specifically signed to long term contracts in a lot of cases.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean, like so, so then you do
Speaker 1: get to Ezekieltovar and Francis and I don't think.
Speaker 2: I think, I don't think he's getting traded at the deadline.
Speaker 2: But like Boston is one of the teams that just
Speaker 2: capable of making this work and wanting Lindor to play
Speaker 2: every day.
Speaker 1: They were so yeah, I mean they really would have
Speaker 1: to solve story, and I don't know how you solve story.
Speaker 2: I mean, you just gotta eat the money at this point, right, he.
Speaker 3: Saw a story by not thinking about him af Again.
Speaker 2: It's only a year and a half, Like you can
Speaker 2: DFA now, like you've given him I think enough time
Speaker 2: to be like, buddy, it's not working out. Here's your
Speaker 2: next year and a half of paychecks.
Speaker 1: Right. Yeah. So aside from shortstop, where where are you?
Speaker 2: They could they could use a better catcher. Again, that's
Speaker 2: the similar problem to shortstop. I think they'll add a
Speaker 2: reliever to right handed bat. Right you can always use
Speaker 2: a right handed outfield bat, you know, like Tyrone Taylor
Speaker 2: or something.
Speaker 1: They haven't. I mean, well, they don't have a lot
Speaker 1: of outfielders because.
Speaker 2: They're right but they are most of are left handed too,
Speaker 2: like just as a.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true, that's true.
Speaker 2: He's a good late game defensive. They really need a
Speaker 2: late game defensive Caddy with Rafaela and brak you but
Speaker 2: he could fomp him for Duran. But he's raised a
Speaker 2: better left fielder than Duran is. But you know, stuff
Speaker 2: like that, and they don't have to do much. It's
Speaker 2: which is a weird thing to say for a game
Speaker 2: that team is two hundred two over five hundred. Like
Speaker 2: they need their pictures. Like the Suarez injury, I don't
Speaker 2: think it's gonna be super long term. They need their
Speaker 2: pitching to get healthy. They and Anthony get healthy, which
Speaker 2: might not happen. And like they just they may just
Speaker 2: have launched now, right, Like I don't remember what I
Speaker 2: said in our Ale East preview, but I've always liked
Speaker 2: this roster and this team I think more relative to
Speaker 2: the Orioles and the Jays and even the Yankees at times,
Speaker 2: Yankees especially without Aaron Judge. So I'm not surprised by this. Well,
Speaker 2: they can do the second basement too, but it's got
Speaker 2: similar problems to short stuff.
Speaker 3: They've got so many guys who could play second base.
Speaker 2: They do, but you don't really want them, any of
Speaker 2: them too. I mean they again, they traded for the
Speaker 2: entire like third base second base room of the Brewers,
Speaker 2: and they're all like Mona, they're all on the roster
Speaker 2: right now.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think this is just like an eighty five,
Speaker 2: eighty seven win team now and that's probably enough. And
Speaker 2: then you just you know, you take your chances in
Speaker 2: the playoffs. It's not possibly only sixty in back of
Speaker 2: the race, like it's not possible you can catch them.
Speaker 1: But that's right, Jeff, Yeah, I'm just saying that's right.
Speaker 1: That is Yeah, Orioles are only eight games. Uh yeah, No,
Speaker 1: I don't yeah, I don't know. I do think of
Speaker 1: the ones that we mentioned, like Mike Calgarcia might be
Speaker 1: the most interesting option if you really if you think
Speaker 1: the Royals are desperate together, I don't think they are.
Speaker 2: I don't think they are. And he has it like
Speaker 2: I think you could still. I think he's a good
Speaker 2: enough third baseman, and he has played shortstop before. You
Speaker 2: could just slide him back over. But it's also not
Speaker 2: a we're playing at second, we're playing a second.
Speaker 1: He can play second too, and you need help there too,
Speaker 1: So I think that would be such a such a
Speaker 1: great fit in terms of even just getting average offense
Speaker 1: and good defense. Or you can move Durban over the
Speaker 1: second to be clear, like, yeah, you hear the either one.
Speaker 2: You're still fixing shortstop, but you're not, No.
Speaker 1: But you're fixing something else in the meantime, right, And
Speaker 1: I do think you, like you said, I think you
Speaker 1: could play Garcia short.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's just gonna he's got such a cheap extension,
Speaker 2: Like they're gonna want a lot.
Speaker 1: Right, that's the thing. Well, but as you said, they
Speaker 1: have the farm, you'd have.
Speaker 2: To have the farm. Yeah, but do you really want
Speaker 2: to empty the farm for a cost? Control of MIKEL.
Speaker 2: Garcia is the other I don't know part of it.
Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, it's it's a little NAT's
Speaker 1: picking up Adam eating yeah right, yeah, where it's like
Speaker 1: the players good and also.
Speaker 2: Trade right too, But that makes it.
Speaker 1: A lot easier to eat story right, Like it's it's
Speaker 1: harder to eat story and trade for WILLI or lindor yeah,
Speaker 1: either one. They're both around once you know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, either one versus paying the price and prospects and
Speaker 5: then you know, eating the story contract while bringing in
Speaker 5: someone on a cheap deal like that, and you might
Speaker 5: need to go cheap because I don't know what.
Speaker 2: Boston's yeah budget is, yeah budget.
Speaker 1: Is At this point, I don't remember where I was
Speaker 1: preseason on Boston. I knew last year. I kept saying
Speaker 1: this could be the most complete team by the end
Speaker 1: of the season, and then I think I was probably
Speaker 1: out heading into the season because I'm out on Breslo.
Speaker 1: I don't understand. And it's not that it only makes
Speaker 1: bad moves. I just don't. I don't know what to
Speaker 1: do with with him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't like that. There's so many even more
Speaker 2: so than I think like the medicine starts, there's more
Speaker 2: intervening factors in his decision making in Boston, right, Like,
Speaker 2: I think for the most part, Sterns has just like
Speaker 2: made the moves he's made and they have it worked
Speaker 2: out as well. But you can like see the process
Speaker 2: involved in all of them, whether you're or not. Like
Speaker 2: with Breslo, it's like, okay, even going back to the beginning,
Speaker 2: you know, before he had to trade Devers or reason
Speaker 2: he had to trade Devers is because they kind of
Speaker 2: mishandled the Bregman stuff, the Bregman endeavors right, kind of
Speaker 2: a little bit yeah, and you know, and like the
Speaker 2: one of the things you hear about Preslo specifically, and
Speaker 2: keep in mind, this is Boston people leaking to the
Speaker 2: Boston media. So it's it's you know this, it's knives
Speaker 2: out there at all times.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: It's like, I'm very Machiavellian front office and media environment
Speaker 2: is that he doesn't he's not a good communicator, right,
Speaker 2: whether it's with Rafaiel Devers or with other people in
Speaker 2: the front office or whatever. Now, some of that could
Speaker 2: be they don't like what he's communicating because that front
Speaker 2: office has had, you know, has survived through like six
Speaker 2: different gms at this point, but you know, you make
Speaker 2: the Devors trade, and like people were upside of the
Speaker 2: Devas trade. It was the most that was one of
Speaker 2: the best trades he could have made. Like he got
Speaker 2: rid of all of that money before it went really bad.
Speaker 2: And I know he's got a one. I haven't looked
Speaker 2: at it. They round a one twenty ops plus.
Speaker 1: We didn't, We didn't. I meant to bring it up
Speaker 1: and we didn't right at the right at the quote
Speaker 1: unquote halfway mark at the All Star break.
Speaker 2: But like you're so you're still playing a lot, but
Speaker 2: it was.
Speaker 1: It was one twenty six, which was.
Speaker 2: But that's a lot of money for a one twenty
Speaker 2: ops plus the age period with a lot still to
Speaker 2: come for a guy that's faded to a one twenty
Speaker 2: ops plus the h and like they got some interesting
Speaker 2: guys back and then obviously flipped Kyle Harrison in a
Speaker 2: deal that looked really bad and now looks less bad
Speaker 2: because Durban's heading. And they flipped James Tibbs for Dustin May,
Speaker 2: which didn't work out at all, and like Tips is fine,
Speaker 2: Like I know, like Tips.
Speaker 1: Is, yeah, but May was bad and May was.
Speaker 2: Bad and yeah, yeah, and it's just like it's there's
Speaker 2: not like a clear through line to any of this.
Speaker 2: It's just he's making moves. It does feel like, look,
Speaker 2: it feels like, Yeah, that's a good way to put it.
Speaker 1: But it's like constant over steel.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't Yeah, I don't know what their deadline
Speaker 2: looks like. I think they're gonna buy because they have
Speaker 2: to buy, and they will buy. They will buy.
Speaker 1: As always, the question is what are you able to buy?
Speaker 1: At this point, the shelves are empty, so it's it's
Speaker 1: which doesn't look like he has the ability to get
Speaker 1: creative like you, like you said, and the creativity might
Speaker 1: be a lot more on the financial side of things.
Speaker 1: But I think we're gonna I I keep saying, I
Speaker 1: think we're gonna get a lot of weird deals. Like
Speaker 1: feels that the players don't always make sense, but it
Speaker 1: makes sense on the back end of things.
Speaker 2: And it's there's gonna be like, there's gonna be like,
Speaker 2: I don't think the Red Sox are gonna do this
Speaker 2: for obvious reason. There's gonna be like another weird Trevor
Speaker 2: Rodgers type trade, right, somebody is gonna trade for a
Speaker 2: picture that doesn't kind of has a little bit of control.
Speaker 2: It's like a project.
Speaker 1: But oh, I mean that will happen somewhere.
Speaker 2: For a team that's like trying to compete, like the Guardians.
Speaker 2: Maybe not the Guardians, but like the the Cubs will
Speaker 2: do it. Maybe. I know they just got Aaron Civilly,
Speaker 2: but we can't do when they did they acquired Aaron Civilly, Right,
Speaker 2: that's not that kind of trade. I don't think you're
Speaker 2: faxing Aaron Civilly at this point.
Speaker 1: But let's let's move on to our second topic because
Speaker 1: it's kind of more it's related. Yeah, oh baby, baby,
Speaker 1: it's a wild card. In other wild card news, in
Speaker 1: the al as I mentioned, Baltimore have won another three games.
Speaker 1: They're up to seven in a row. You said there,
Speaker 1: you know, you don't see Baltimore as being capable of
Speaker 1: doing what what Boston has done, but they're more than half.
Speaker 2: They've been halfway there. I don't think they're.
Speaker 1: Gonna get that. I don't think they're gonna get there either,
Speaker 1: but they have. They've reeled off seven in a row.
Speaker 1: They are now two games under five hundred. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is the game they've generally been playing, is they've
Speaker 1: been playing footsy with four games under five hundred.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: They like to get three to four games under and
Speaker 1: then lose a bunch in a row and then win
Speaker 1: some in a row and whatever. They're now two mm
Speaker 1: hm a run differential of minus thirteen. So if they've
Speaker 1: just just about earned it.
Speaker 2: Sure.
Speaker 3: Jackson Holiday's line in Chare July two thirty one, four
Speaker 3: sixty nine. He has walked in almost thirty percent of
Speaker 3: his play appearances.
Speaker 1: This is Miguel Vargas with a broken hands from the training.
Speaker 2: It does what if Mark Belhorn had no power?
Speaker 3: I like that The Kobe Mayo has a four h
Speaker 3: nine ISO in July and Jackson Holiday is a thirty eight.
Speaker 3: They're right next to each other on the Kobe Mayo.
Speaker 1: Man, I don't know. He hits home runs and they
Speaker 1: are absolute bombs and then he does not do anything.
Speaker 2: I mean they have four I'll give him credit for
Speaker 2: Blaze Alexander too. They have five regulars with an OPS
Speaker 2: plus over one hundred two. I mean, Besida was about
Speaker 2: to go on the IL, so two of them are
Speaker 2: going to be yea.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, finally with his hand.
Speaker 2: Yeah, finally with his hand, so like yeah, like again.
Speaker 2: Ped Alonzo has been their best hitter. Pet Alonzo has
Speaker 2: an eight or nine ops plus, which is both fine
Speaker 2: and also more than you want f ops one which
Speaker 2: is yes, which is both you know, fine, but also
Speaker 2: less than you want from both Pee Alonzo, and you're
Speaker 2: number one hitter.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Kobe Mayo in the last twenty eight days. This
Speaker 1: is only thirteen games to forty four, three, eleven, five,
Speaker 1: eighty five.
Speaker 2: Sure he's going ta Oscar mode.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, yeah, that's basically I mean, honestly more more slugging.
Speaker 3: Even when I was when I was talking about the
Speaker 3: Red Sox and having the guys that are good hitting, well,
Speaker 3: how comforting that is. The Orioles are currently getting the
Speaker 3: ninety sevens looking out of Tyler O'Neill, which you cannot
Speaker 3: count on tomorrow.
Speaker 1: No, no, but he does do that.
Speaker 3: He does do that.
Speaker 1: He has also so he does that and then he's
Speaker 1: bad and hurt.
Speaker 3: We've hit week three, right, and he will stop immediately.
Speaker 1: Yes, Yeah, losing the sios and Alexander's already on the il. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's two of your five hitters and you're entering raised territory, right,
Speaker 1: Like the pitching has been better, Yeah, the.
Speaker 3: Pitching hasn't better.
Speaker 2: Still, the best picture.
Speaker 1: You know, Kyle Bradish has been turning in some like
Speaker 1: legit Kyle Bradish starts yep, yeah.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you want to sign up for
Speaker 2: that for five more years, but they do so.
Speaker 1: They is British Unascension, bos got the the the wow. Okay,
Speaker 1: all right, yep.
Speaker 3: They the Brandon Young of July that's walking to nine
Speaker 3: is a tenable branding though he was like basically two
Speaker 3: and a half. If you give him up to three
Speaker 3: strikeouts per walk, you can that work.
Speaker 2: He's not quite there yet, and nobody, nobody on this
Speaker 2: team is over two and a half, so right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's a weird thing. They they have gotten pretty good
Speaker 2: pitching and it's not like Shane boss is a four
Speaker 2: point one nine. Ra Rodgers is a four point two eighty.
Speaker 2: Ara has been very good recently. But again, none of
Speaker 2: these are like out of the realm. Maybe Brandon Young
Speaker 2: is a little bit, but like not out of the
Speaker 2: realm of what you would expect. Right, these are guys
Speaker 2: that are all around league average twenty percent better than
Speaker 2: league average. It's not crazy, but like they're none of
Speaker 2: they don't strike anybody.
Speaker 3: Out right, Yeah, this team needs to not walk people. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you're never gonna get more than a strikeout in a
Speaker 3: so you have to keep the walks.
Speaker 2: In, right, Like Bradish has their highest strikeout rate, he
Speaker 2: also has their highest walk rate and highest home run
Speaker 2: He's giving a home run per nine, which again, that's
Speaker 2: all Like this is Kyle Bradish we're talking about, right,
Speaker 2: Like none of this is super unusual. But like they
Speaker 2: really badly do need a top of the rotation starter
Speaker 2: of some sort, and I don't think that's going to
Speaker 2: be available for them at the deadline. Like they need
Speaker 2: a game one anyway, I guess British for starting when
Speaker 2: they need like a game, they need a playoffs starter.
Speaker 2: They need a playoff starter and like not the guy
Speaker 2: that you're just kind of sticking in in game three
Speaker 2: or four either, Like I don't know, Like who is
Speaker 2: Freddy Peralta that guy? Are they? Like I think I
Speaker 2: don't know if Freddy Perrault is that guy either, certainly
Speaker 2: not this not this year, but he might be the
Speaker 2: closest you're able to. I mean, they could do like
Speaker 2: a Trevor Rodgers thing again and trade for Red Detmers, right,
Speaker 2: Like John Mazzeliak has said he's going to try to
Speaker 2: trade reds and yeah, we're trading trade.
Speaker 1: To tell you, Jeffrey, I am still very beholden to
Speaker 1: read debts as a cub ever since you mentioned, yeah,
Speaker 1: it is the.
Speaker 2: Perfect we're trading for fancy Kyle Kate Povich, that's what
Speaker 2: we're doing.
Speaker 1: I mean, like, is he going to try and trade
Speaker 1: Jose Soriano? Riano might give them a little more than
Speaker 1: even Yeah, not not to I'm not trying to put pots.
Speaker 1: I think they're sure very comparable pictures kind of, but like.
Speaker 2: Has a little more control and he fits very well
Speaker 2: in the guy a half years Yeah, are they? I
Speaker 2: thought I thought that had last For some reason.
Speaker 3: I think the difference is that Soriano has never had
Speaker 3: the slump that had. Now how much of the Netmark
Speaker 3: slump was, you know, the fault of NETMS is.
Speaker 2: Open or the fault of the angels. But like, he
Speaker 2: does fit. He feels fits in real well on that
Speaker 2: Kyle Bradish range where he strikes out a guy in
Speaker 2: anning walks a little too many and you're on front.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I do. Maybe that is why I feel.
Speaker 2: I think he's like, look, I think he legitimately can
Speaker 2: start game two for this team, and you'd be yeah, yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: right now, I don't like what were they trading for him?
Speaker 2: It gets a little more complicated, like they don't again,
Speaker 2: that's a lot of cheap control. They don't really have
Speaker 2: like that. You know, Nate George has been hurt this year.
Speaker 2: I don't know how to pronounce his name, but uh
Speaker 2: to zero who made our.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he's on our top fifty.
Speaker 2: He was literally number fifty. Like he's neat, but it's
Speaker 2: also kind of a weird profile.
Speaker 1: But no, like he's had one of these starting picture.
Speaker 1: Yeah for people who are looking Joseph jiuah jeruah, I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm guessing. Yeah, open to correction. Yeah, please let me.
Speaker 2: Know, Like I don't if you can only headline of
Speaker 2: Soriano trade for you and like all there, like the
Speaker 2: guys that they would have inventory to trade that are
Speaker 2: reasonably far away from the majors, they all traded for
Speaker 2: Shamee bas in the offseason.
Speaker 1: If it's a straight Polish pronunciation, it might be Jerva essentially. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know, Yeah, I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: If he jack you can trade recently drafted guys right,
Speaker 1: so that maybe there's I don't know, but also I
Speaker 1: don't know what what John Mozela is at this point.
Speaker 2: I mean, they need everything so well.
Speaker 1: Right, but I get I guess I even mean in
Speaker 1: like RO five, like could you sell him on some
Speaker 1: of the guys that like if he's I don't know,
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to be mean, but like if he's
Speaker 1: three years behind.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like that's.
Speaker 1: Why they replaced him.
Speaker 2: Well, it's not even that they need a lot like
Speaker 2: maybe he goes for quantity over quality. Here is because
Speaker 2: their system is so barren and it's such a you know,
Speaker 2: you give the next guy three or four bites at
Speaker 2: the apple right.
Speaker 1: Right, that would not be great for the fans of
Speaker 1: the Angels to be.
Speaker 2: No, but you can get like do you get like
Speaker 2: Trey Gibson, I guess who's like pretty much Julie Ready,
Speaker 2: Like there's right, who's right there? Yeah, there's the other guys.
Speaker 2: Like this is like we've done the mid season fifty.
Speaker 2: They didn't have a lot of guys on the mid
Speaker 2: season fifty. You're now asking me, like, who are the
Speaker 2: other Orioles prospects for a list? I did like, well, no,
Speaker 2: I'm not trying to Oh, I like, I'm pulling it
Speaker 2: up so I can remind myself. You know, you could
Speaker 2: trade you could probably trade Dylan Deavers. Like, I don't
Speaker 2: off the major league roster too. Like again, I don't
Speaker 2: know exactly what they want. M that's like how they're
Speaker 2: going to you know, what they want in terms of
Speaker 2: guys coming back, in terms of timeline, in terms of
Speaker 2: quantity versus quality, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean like Luis de Leon has been pretty bad. Yeah,
Speaker 1: missing a lot of bats, but it's been pretty bad.
Speaker 2: I think Nesta Herman has been fine. I've been checked
Speaker 2: he was and I'm super recently.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is not a particularly good system at this point.
Speaker 1: I still I feel like people I do not with
Speaker 1: everyone hurt. Yeah, okay, but if if Samuel Basaillo is healthy,
Speaker 1: I think I still probably prefer the Orioles to the
Speaker 1: to the race. I really do.
Speaker 2: It's Craig. There are like sixty five games left in
Speaker 2: the season. They are eight behind.
Speaker 1: No, no, I'm not saying an eight game deaf. I'm
Speaker 1: saying roster rosters straight up from this point forward. Okay,
Speaker 1: the Orioles have absolutely been worse. The race have absolutely
Speaker 1: been better.
Speaker 2: Like the other thing is, I think if you combine
Speaker 2: the rosters, the race have the two best pitchers and
Speaker 2: the two best position players.
Speaker 1: Well certainly Kim and Her. I mean like.
Speaker 2: Randa too, I think is better than anybody on them.
Speaker 1: I think I said, I don't know if I said
Speaker 1: this on our pod or or effectively wild last week,
Speaker 1: like I'm not gonna understand Jonathan Roda. I just think
Speaker 1: it's not but it does. I don't something doesn't compute.
Speaker 1: That's okay, but yeah, sure fine. I also like I
Speaker 1: understand Gunner Henderson. I don't understand what's happened Gunner.
Speaker 2: Henderson, but I kind of just I think for the
Speaker 2: balance of the season, you might just have to accept
Speaker 2: this is what he is. Right.
Speaker 1: Well, I guess so, but I'm kind of just if
Speaker 1: he is getting I will also know that before we
Speaker 1: depart the Orioles Rico Garcia has been a revelation in
Speaker 1: the in the Bullpen, and Mario Delgado wins Or wrote
Speaker 1: about him, and so I think you should say it
Speaker 1: was a good article. I advise everyone to give it
Speaker 1: a read. That went up on Friday last week, so
Speaker 1: you might you might have to go back in his archive.
Speaker 2: And before we depart from Rais, I just want to
Speaker 2: update everyone on conversation from many months ago. Nick Martinez
Speaker 2: still under a three R.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't like. This is the this is the thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't like. I just I don't buy it.
Speaker 2: Yep, sixty two strikeouts and one hundred and five innings
Speaker 2: creg Yeah, that's the part that the eighties back.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, you spin me right around. You're not wrong
Speaker 1: about You're not wrong about the I.
Speaker 2: Think the Rais. Look, I get I've said this all along.
Speaker 2: I don't think the Rays are a great team, but
Speaker 2: I think the Rays are might just be the best
Speaker 2: human spasion.
Speaker 1: They might. They might. I guess I will just continue
Speaker 1: to struggle with it all. But you're right. I mean,
Speaker 1: Rasmuson and McClanahan are better than, yep, anything the Orioles
Speaker 1: have on staff.
Speaker 2: Imagine the Orioles having a picture with a five and
Speaker 2: three quarters strikeout to walk ratio.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Elsewhere in the wild Card we'll go to the National League. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the Pittsburgh Pirates, Jeffers. Yeah, four games over five hundred.
Speaker 2: Sometimes frisky comes to you in a.
Speaker 1: Three way tie for the third wild card in the
Speaker 1: National League alongside the Cardinals, and the Marlins have the
Speaker 1: best run differential of the three teams. They are seven
Speaker 1: and three in their last ten. The others are four
Speaker 1: and six. The Marlins have lost six in a row.
Speaker 2: Yes, they were ten over they are now four over.
Speaker 2: That's how that that's how that mass that happens.
Speaker 4: Ye.
Speaker 2: Look, they played well against the Guardians, obviously, I just
Speaker 2: don't believe it.
Speaker 3: They've got fun Jared Jones back now the early early
Speaker 3: twenty twenty five Jared Jones, you know, striking out thirteen
Speaker 3: for nine. How long it's gonna last? It didn't last
Speaker 3: last time. But the pitching has been good. The pitching
Speaker 3: is like all the strikeouts that the Ools don't get. Uh. Well,
Speaker 3: I think I think the thing about the Pirates that
Speaker 3: that is underrated is that the just stop playing. Marcelo's
Speaker 3: in But I think he started like four games this month. Uh,
Speaker 3: and they're better because he's not hitting. Yeah, it's easy
Speaker 3: to make a team better if you want to.
Speaker 2: Two of their three best hitters are also on the
Speaker 2: IL with on Neil Creiz and Sfencer Horwitz.
Speaker 1: Right, Spencer Horwitz just always yeah better.
Speaker 2: I mean, he's having a legitimately good season. Usually it's like, hey,
Speaker 2: Spencer Horace is one of their best hitters. He has
Speaker 2: a one to twelve ops plus, but he's like it's thirty.
Speaker 1: It's very limited. I meant to three hundred appear he's
Speaker 1: played more. Yeah, yeah, this is you know, we'll see
Speaker 1: what Jacob Gonzales does for them. He finally got a
Speaker 1: hit for them down a home run. Yeah. A lot
Speaker 1: of this recent stretch has been as Merlin Valdez. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're thirty one, thirty one games in. Now he's at
Speaker 1: three oh five three seventy seven, seven thirty three.
Speaker 2: Yes, well home runs in thirty one game. Look, he
Speaker 2: can do.
Speaker 1: This is this aristutis acutit.
Speaker 2: I was going to say this is probably aristetis.
Speaker 3: Walking a little more.
Speaker 2: He's walking a little more.
Speaker 1: Like it's a look, it's a fair amount. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: three oh five, batting average, three seventy three. Oh, that's
Speaker 1: just fine.
Speaker 3: It is not just everything.
Speaker 1: That's actually a lot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's also whiffing at a lot of things.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, he's got forty four strikeouts in one hundred
Speaker 1: eighteen Polint appearances.
Speaker 2: Look, he can like it is very difficult for any
Speaker 2: player to do have this kind of damage on contact
Speaker 2: plus swing and miss combination over an extended period of time.
Speaker 2: I belts might be one of the guys that can
Speaker 2: do it. I'm not saying he's going to, but I
Speaker 2: believe this a little more than AIRTDI is a keino.
Speaker 1: Yeah well, and also Aristeta is a kino. Like we're
Speaker 1: even talking thirty one games at this point, like.
Speaker 2: His yeah games, right, Like it's one o eight ninety
Speaker 2: a TV with a fifteen percent pulled fly ball, right, yeah,
Speaker 2: you don't have to make a lot of contact doing that.
Speaker 2: And to be clear, it's sixty six in zone and
Speaker 2: a forty six whiff against secondaries and a forty one
Speaker 2: whiff against anything over ninety five.
Speaker 1: What's his chase?
Speaker 2: His chase is twenty seven, so he doesn't chase it.
Speaker 1: So that's not that bad.
Speaker 2: It's not that bad. But like this might just this
Speaker 2: might be Matt Wallner instead of Aristidi is keino, like
Speaker 2: where he can just he can do it for longer
Speaker 2: periods of time, but also.
Speaker 1: Be the worst hitter in the league for a few weeks,
Speaker 1: right yeah, yeah, I mean again, you can't really knock
Speaker 1: the lineup at this point, it's very deep.
Speaker 3: Yeah, when Nick Nsol is a hitting, Yeah, you know
Speaker 3: they're waiting for Cruise to get back. They're waiting, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean they've been like a if they have
Speaker 2: a one ten ops plus as a team, which I
Speaker 2: think if you saw the Pirates as you know, wild
Speaker 2: wild card contenders, a four game over a five hundred team,
Speaker 2: you would have thought it would be like the pitching,
Speaker 2: the pitching, right, and their pitching has been a it's
Speaker 2: it's you have affected a one Jones. You would expected
Speaker 2: a one ten e er a plus and a one
Speaker 2: oh three ops plus instead of vice versa.
Speaker 1: Right. I think the surprising part to me is that
Speaker 1: like Chandler still hasn't figured it out. I would have
Speaker 1: thought if they were going to be in the wildcard spot,
Speaker 1: Chandler would have figured it out him. Right. The other
Speaker 1: part of this is like, arguably they should be many
Speaker 1: games clear of this because their bullpen has been absolutely disastrous.
Speaker 2: You know the what's this that the Jack chick tracked
Speaker 2: meme where it's like the people didn't listen to him
Speaker 2: or whatever, the people were not ready to accept his word.
Speaker 2: That's like camera like they were not ready to accept that.
Speaker 2: Cameron Machinsky was correct about Cameron Machinsky Carmon.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, but they also probably need him in the bullpen.
Speaker 2: Yeah maybe, yes. I mean they are starting Mitch Keller
Speaker 2: and his five r every five days, and you can
Speaker 2: you can trade for a relief. Now, that is the
Speaker 2: thing they mean they did already.
Speaker 1: And that's that's where I was going with this was
Speaker 1: and I know I've said this before that like this
Speaker 1: has really come to them, like you said, the playoff spot,
Speaker 1: but like the trade deadline has gone, they need they
Speaker 1: kind of just need to do the Tigers moved from last.
Speaker 3: Year, Yeah, and just really got like six skies yea,
Speaker 3: a supermarket sweep. Those relievers just start piling into the cart.
Speaker 2: I mean, like you can even be to get the
Speaker 2: big inflatable a J Minter in the aisle.
Speaker 1: No, but look, you can even be cheap about it, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like just get six guys and hope three of them
Speaker 1: are better than what you have. You don't even have
Speaker 1: to be good better than what you have financially improve
Speaker 1: your playoff odds. They could really use like a legit closer, sure,
Speaker 1: because right now it's either Greg Risoto or Joan Ramirez.
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, that's bad, that's not great. Rames has
Speaker 2: been okay, But also you don't want them closing games
Speaker 2: for you.
Speaker 1: You might just need to start doing like Mozinski as
Speaker 1: like the inning plus closer and writing the other nights,
Speaker 1: but like win the games you can.
Speaker 2: Win, right, Like it's also Valgiska has been fine. Do
Speaker 2: you really want a guy closing with like seven strikeouts
Speaker 2: for nine and like, no, well, I.
Speaker 1: Know you don't have another option. I mean, Evan sisk
Speaker 1: Is hurt, Evan six sisk Is.
Speaker 2: It's time to trade Murph Gray for Luke Weaver and
Speaker 2: let him close, right?
Speaker 1: Is training a top fifty for Well? Did they get
Speaker 1: two years out of the Weaver?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's another year, okay, all right?
Speaker 1: Or not top fifty? He was on the he was
Speaker 1: on the just miss.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, maybe they don't reven like I'm trying to think.
Speaker 2: Guys they have like Weaver is a great fit for them. Yes,
Speaker 2: actually you get it. They're not gonna want to. I
Speaker 2: don't want to trade a ton for a straight rental.
Speaker 2: But he can close. He's closed before you know. He's
Speaker 2: got the extra year. It's fairly cheap it's like eleven million.
Speaker 2: I think like that twelve million, which is a lot
Speaker 2: for the Pirates, but you know, they could probably even
Speaker 2: get the best to retain some money for a better prospect. Here.
Speaker 1: They just spent seven and a half million on Gregory Soto.
Speaker 2: Sure, I think they probably intended to flip Gregory Soto though,
Speaker 2: if he was good and they were out of it.
Speaker 1: So yeah. Also in the National League there's the Diamondbacks
Speaker 1: are a half game out.
Speaker 2: Yeah here they are. They have hardly done anything and
Speaker 2: a half yeah.
Speaker 1: Between them at two.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I put the Potter's. The Potters are more looky
Speaker 2: to buy in the Nationals.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean the Potterys are just gonna buy because like
Speaker 2: aj Peller, it's like he just wakes up one day
Speaker 2: in July and like up, it's time now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well they're poculated.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thing right. I don't know what they're gonna do.
Speaker 2: They good, like they're one of the other teams always think
Speaker 2: of trade for the bad contracts to send back for
Speaker 2: Francisco Indor. But yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: If you go, if you go on Baseball Reference, uh huh,
Speaker 1: goes Eduardo Rodriguez with the two six two e r
Speaker 1: A Yeah, and a and a four oh nine FIP
Speaker 1: which is honestly fine, like obviously severe overperformance, but it is.
Speaker 2: But he's a guy that is more contact suppression then.
Speaker 1: Right, it's he's not missing enough. That's but Merril Kelly
Speaker 1: with a five point two e r A. Yes, Zach Gallon,
Speaker 1: Ryan Nelson, Michael Soroka.
Speaker 2: Yeah, was good.
Speaker 1: The other two were not. Yeah, Brandon Fott is in
Speaker 1: the fat zone.
Speaker 2: He's gotten he has gotten back to the fot zund
Speaker 2: which is four.
Speaker 1: Five eight e r uh with with a bunch of
Speaker 1: relief appearances mixed.
Speaker 2: I mit like, but he has not been good.
Speaker 1: What what is this team's rotation?
Speaker 2: I mean you just named all the pictures, Craig he
Speaker 2: told us. Yeah, j is he's the fourth starter and
Speaker 2: they do not have a fifth, right, I mean, I'm
Speaker 2: sure they're going to call someone up.
Speaker 1: But they've already called up Mitch Bratt.
Speaker 2: Yes, I think Gilbert Diaz is hurt nower.
Speaker 3: Uh. Is he on the team anymore? I thought they
Speaker 3: know he's on the Tigers, now, is he?
Speaker 1: Mitch Bratt has two starts and six innings.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he's the one time to the order guy, and.
Speaker 2: I mean he was the only guy that was pitching
Speaker 2: well in Reno. And granted it's Reno, but like you know,
Speaker 2: you been lenn and Cole Drake who they traded for
Speaker 2: and it was a notable prospect, and you been Land
Speaker 2: who's made up top one on one both have six
Speaker 2: c r as, And yeah it's Reno, it's the p
Speaker 2: c L. But like, I don't know where you're going
Speaker 2: from here. I gotta tell you very very very old
Speaker 2: friend Thomas hatch Craig. Yeah, wow, yeah, wow, Yeah, he's
Speaker 2: thirty one.
Speaker 1: He has a Jeffery do you You don't have their
Speaker 1: their baseball reference page open to you.
Speaker 2: I have the Reno aces based on open I can
Speaker 2: go back if you want.
Speaker 1: Do not look at the Diamondbacks. Okay, okay, I want
Speaker 1: to play a little game.
Speaker 2: Sure, we love games.
Speaker 1: They they have well, they might have more. They have
Speaker 1: six relievers, yeah, with e ras under three, okay in
Speaker 1: any minimum twenty four innings. Sure, okay, I want you
Speaker 1: to hazard some guesses at the strikeouts per nine of
Speaker 1: these of these individuals. I'm going to give you the name,
Speaker 1: and I will give you the e R Yep. Taylor
Speaker 1: Clark two point four or five e R forty four innings.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's got like he's got something like I looked
Speaker 2: at Clark a while back. I assume it is not
Speaker 2: really changed. I'm gonna say, like thirty six walks and
Speaker 2: thirty six strikeouts in twenty eight walks. So I that's
Speaker 2: like a seven point two strikeouts for nine.
Speaker 1: You, I think you have him confused with someone. Okay,
Speaker 1: is he has nine walks on the season. He's not
Speaker 1: walking a lot of guys. He has struck out twenty
Speaker 1: four batters in forty four innings. He has a four
Speaker 1: point nine strikeout per nine.
Speaker 3: That is.
Speaker 1: Untenable.
Speaker 2: Look it's lower than I guessed.
Speaker 1: Five five strikeouts for nine as a reliever.
Speaker 2: He's left handed. He's left handed, Yes, all right, Greg.
Speaker 1: The gink two point seven e R forty innings pitched.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm gonna say eight strikeouts for nine.
Speaker 1: He's at nine. He's at nine. He's been good, good
Speaker 1: believer one Mario two point nine five in just about
Speaker 1: forty innings as well.
Speaker 2: He's like a sinker baller, guys. So I'm gonna say,
Speaker 2: like it's like a turbo sinker. I think let's say
Speaker 2: six point.
Speaker 1: Eight, he's at ten point four. Another legitimate are we
Speaker 1: doing this game? You've got two okay, you've got two
Speaker 1: relievers striking guys out. Okay, okay, Jonathan Lowiaca two.
Speaker 2: Point seven, six and a half, all right, fine.
Speaker 1: Six and a half. Uh, Brandon Garcia one in twenty
Speaker 1: four innings five, No, he's good ten and Ryan Thompson.
Speaker 2: That's Thompson's like obviously Ryan Thompson five point six.
Speaker 1: He's at six and a half.
Speaker 2: But the point is that's all this is fine.
Speaker 1: That's six weeks, no, six and a half from from three,
Speaker 1: like five, six and a half and six and a half.
Speaker 2: You don't throw those guys and leverage. You just throw
Speaker 2: the guys that have good strikeout ratios. Plus Paul Seawalled
Speaker 2: it's fine. Yes, they probably need to add orally too,
Speaker 2: but that's not like.
Speaker 1: I mean, consider is this You look superficially like a
Speaker 1: very good bullpen, and you're talking.
Speaker 2: About I don't think it's as good a bullpen as
Speaker 2: the e Ras are.
Speaker 1: But also like also Brandon Garcia was part of it.
Speaker 1: Sure anyway, I think Brandon Garcia and one Mario are
Speaker 1: actually pretty sure.
Speaker 2: I just think like this in the starting pitching is
Speaker 2: an issue here there.
Speaker 1: Yes, but right exactly, you're gonna have to again, Mitch
Speaker 1: Bratt is going three inns.
Speaker 2: Right, even even more so, you can't.
Speaker 1: You can't even just do the leverage game. You have
Speaker 1: to use all these guys all the time.
Speaker 2: And even more so than the Pirates. This feels like
Speaker 2: the playoff races come to them and they're just going
Speaker 2: to be like between three games under and three games
Speaker 2: over the rest of the season.
Speaker 3: I don't think that. I think the playoff races coming
Speaker 3: up to them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's gonna keep coming the wrong lead.
Speaker 1: No, Well, but I think you're both right about that.
Speaker 1: I don't think this team is getting there, and but
Speaker 1: also like they're gonna be whatever they are.
Speaker 2: And also like they're close enough now that they it's
Speaker 2: not impossible if you actually buy a good starting picture
Speaker 2: that you can.
Speaker 1: They can't buy a good starting picture.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Also, by the way, Corbyn Carroll has I'm reading a
Speaker 1: headline that says the d Backs not overly concerned with
Speaker 1: Carol's elbow injury.
Speaker 3: Okay, neither.
Speaker 1: Garrett Crochet had an extremely precautionary mr.
Speaker 3: Just entered that chamber with trepidation.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: Carol says he has hyper hyper extended the elbow and
Speaker 1: it's lingered on him.
Speaker 2: M hmmmm.
Speaker 1: Love when things linger on you.
Speaker 2: Yes, especially elbows for guys have to swing on that.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Our last segment before our break, am I battling
Speaker 1: ghosts or ai? I'm sorry, I cannot do whatever he's
Speaker 1: he does in that in that partition and correct, I
Speaker 1: should not try.
Speaker 2: You can't be trying that, white baby.
Speaker 1: You can't. You can't be talking like that.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: The the Mets seemingly are the.
Speaker 2: According to Adam and Vino. I don't think they're the
Speaker 2: only team that was doing this, but they were.
Speaker 1: They were leading. No, I do not think they were
Speaker 1: the only team doing this, but they were leaving the
Speaker 1: tr This.
Speaker 3: How seems like a day to put this.
Speaker 1: This is like such an exhausting thing to even then.
Speaker 1: Every team gets a.
Speaker 2: League issued iPad with maintained amount of data they can
Speaker 2: access in games.
Speaker 1: Right, there are three tabs on on it. They are
Speaker 1: able to look at stuff from the prior. It updates
Speaker 1: after a half inning. All the data updates. It's generally
Speaker 1: static data like it's stuff that they can't manipulate or
Speaker 1: do stuff with generally this is this is where the
Speaker 1: issue comes in. There is a custom tab or whatever
Speaker 1: you want to call it, the third tab on this
Speaker 1: and that it seems like.
Speaker 3: The met's tired. Johnny Lee Miller.
Speaker 1: The several teams were somehow using that custom tab to
Speaker 1: the the article which came from the Athletic the reporting
Speaker 1: uh Eno Saris and I think they have four other
Speaker 1: people contributing to the piece. Uh mentioned generative AI, but
Speaker 1: it the way, it didn't actually sound like generative AI
Speaker 1: to me. It sounds like they have a model that
Speaker 1: uses is the information that is available and produces recommendations.
Speaker 1: That's not that's not There could be some it's possible, right,
Speaker 1: I'm not.
Speaker 2: Really learning or some sort of aspect to it. That's
Speaker 2: but machine learning is not generative AI, right, And I
Speaker 2: want to be clear.
Speaker 1: To everyone on this like I'm not I'm not trying
Speaker 1: to defend one. I've never used any I've never used
Speaker 1: any of these AI chatbots or whatever.
Speaker 2: It is not asking chat GBT, what pitch, it's just
Speaker 2: thou right, right.
Speaker 1: It is something that is pulling off of essentially static data.
Speaker 1: Now it's data that updated the prior half inning perhaps,
Speaker 1: but essentially static data. Now, it does sound like they
Speaker 1: might have been at hand entering stuff as the inning
Speaker 1: went on to then produce like what is a recommended
Speaker 1: pitch offering or or relief? I guess a reliever to
Speaker 1: go to based on who's hitting. And you know what
Speaker 1: what your database has about your pictures, right, whether it's armslot,
Speaker 1: whether it's movement types that give a hit or gim
Speaker 1: you know, trouble stuff.
Speaker 3: Like location, the things that a manager would do.
Speaker 2: Yes, the look, I don't know if Mets women better
Speaker 2: off being managed by AI than Carlos Mendoza for the
Speaker 2: first part of the season. Look, it sounds like a
Speaker 2: lot of teams were doing this more than just the Mets.
Speaker 2: It sounds like this was considered okay at one point
Speaker 2: and the league decided, no, you're pushing this too far.
Speaker 2: You need to stop, and everybody stopped. Yeah, but it's
Speaker 2: like the idea that this is some crazy new thing
Speaker 2: and the teams haven't been using machine learning models to
Speaker 2: suggest pitch sequences for like the better part of a
Speaker 2: decade now is you know, they've just been able to
Speaker 2: figure out a way to get it on the iPad basically.
Speaker 3: Get into the dug out. Yeah, yeah, they should have
Speaker 3: they should make a.
Speaker 2: Guy whatever yet, like it is like whatever you think
Speaker 2: analytics are, you're actually ten years behind where teams are.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, they should make a guy have to run
Speaker 3: through the tunnels with a print out.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, it's a handle it. It's got to be
Speaker 2: like the old like printer paper. Yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: But also, like to Patrick's point, like this is what
Speaker 1: these guys who have been in the game for a
Speaker 1: very long time and seeing a ton of reps and
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 2: That's that's it's like Carlos Delgado's notebook.
Speaker 3: Right, we're fancy or or it's a fancy ass defensive
Speaker 3: positioning charts list right.
Speaker 2: Right, Again, it's data, right, you don't have to pick
Speaker 2: the slider next.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's not on a rit. I do somewhat
Speaker 1: subscribe to the idea that like once the game starts,
Speaker 1: like enough with all this ship, sure, right, Like if
Speaker 1: you look, you've got defensive positioning for every person on
Speaker 1: the team, informed by data heading into the game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you've walked into the game with that information and it's
Speaker 1: on your wrist. Fine, it's not outdated, it's not changing
Speaker 1: by the pitch, right.
Speaker 3: I don't even like it on the wrist. I'm somebody.
Speaker 2: The Dodgers that got yelled at for using the laser pointer.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, And I kind of and it's
Speaker 1: kind of to me like enough enough if you can't
Speaker 1: figure out where to stand, Yeah, Like this is your job.
Speaker 2: A lot of this is like you know what it's
Speaker 2: happened in the NFL, right, where like the they had
Speaker 2: to cut down on how late the coaches could be
Speaker 2: in the headset because they were like literally reading defenses
Speaker 2: for the quarterback.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then it to me it is like this
Speaker 1: is your job. And also, by the way, as the coach,
Speaker 1: it's your job to get the player to be able
Speaker 1: to do it. If you can't get Taoscar Hernandez to
Speaker 1: stand in the right spot, like sorry.
Speaker 2: Well, this is even more like specific like if you're
Speaker 2: calling pitches from the dugout right, this is telling you
Speaker 2: or they suggest that you don't have again you don't
Speaker 2: have to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're trying to find the right mix of like entropy.
Speaker 1: They don't want to be predictable, they don't want you know,
Speaker 1: they want.
Speaker 2: I had I talked about this on I think for
Speaker 2: all you kids. At one point of me was on
Speaker 2: the show that Nick Schaeffer asked me, like, are teams
Speaker 2: like trying to create random pitch sequence? It's like super
Speaker 2: like randomized pitch And I'm sure they were doing that
Speaker 2: ten years ago, right, the experiment with everything with the day,
Speaker 2: they have so much data they can manipulate like outside
Speaker 2: of the dugout, right, Like they've tried every they've high
Speaker 2: again the machine learning PhDs, data engineer Like they have
Speaker 2: so many like you know, academic level PhDs in these
Speaker 2: very like hyper specific technical subjects and then they pay
Speaker 2: them fifty five thousand dollars a year to like just
Speaker 2: go the hogwild and like a lot of stuff doesn't
Speaker 2: amount to anything or some very marginal upgrade, but you're
Speaker 2: you're trying to find the next advantage, right, like whatever
Speaker 2: you can for Yeah, and.
Speaker 1: To understand that they're trying to get the fruits of
Speaker 1: that labor into the dugout and make it easy for
Speaker 1: the manager or if you.
Speaker 2: Have a calling model benefit from it that is fifteen
Speaker 2: percent better I mean not even fifteen honestly eight percent
Speaker 2: better than just normal game normal good game calling, like
Speaker 2: over the course of a season.
Speaker 1: That's a huge fucking advantage.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And to be clear, one of the reasons I'm saying
Speaker 1: it's not it's not like AI or specifically generate AI, right,
Speaker 1: Like you could build an app that says, do you
Speaker 1: just give it a bunch of conditions based on these parameters.
Speaker 2: Facing this is the last some bitches at these previous
Speaker 2: locations and these previous.
Speaker 1: And these are the results, by the way, and there's
Speaker 1: swing's whatever, what what is what should the next thing be?
Speaker 1: Basically if this, this, this, this, this.
Speaker 2: If then yeah, right, then then what we're doing like
Speaker 2: very much like like go to slider.
Speaker 1: It is no, but it is. Basically it's a fancier
Speaker 1: version of that with an of conditionals and the ability
Speaker 1: to sort through all of that. But that's essentially what
Speaker 1: we're dealing with. And it's someone hand entering the prior
Speaker 1: pitch and saying, and this was the result, right, whether
Speaker 1: it was a swing and a miss in zone, out
Speaker 1: of zone, whether it's chase whatever, and it spits something.
Speaker 2: Out every few years.
Speaker 1: That's not artificial intelligence.
Speaker 2: Every few years tech bros get together and reinvent pitch starting, right.
Speaker 1: But that's not artificial intelligence. But it is that what
Speaker 1: it's able to consider and how quickly, it's able to
Speaker 1: produce something is different and you have it on the
Speaker 1: iPad and.
Speaker 2: Right is like is like deep blue AI Right?
Speaker 1: And what the league, what the League said here was
Speaker 1: none of this was against the rules. Right now, that's
Speaker 1: when no one's being punished, right, It is not against
Speaker 1: the rules as written. We don't like it. We're changing
Speaker 1: the rules. You have a month to get your shit together,
Speaker 1: no longer like starting in the second half. You can't
Speaker 1: do that anymore. And I think also that's fine. Sure,
Speaker 1: I think the League clearly said it's not against the
Speaker 1: rules as written, it should have been. We're fixing that.
Speaker 2: We can't consider every possibility, right, we have now considered
Speaker 2: this one because.
Speaker 1: It's we don't and we don't like it. It is
Speaker 1: against the spirit of what we were going for, and
Speaker 1: we're you're not getting punished, but you're not allowed to
Speaker 1: do it anymore. That's fine.
Speaker 3: Go find a new loophole, Go find.
Speaker 1: A new and well we'll shut that down. Yeah later too,
Speaker 1: but for now, you can't do this. And I think
Speaker 1: that's fine.
Speaker 2: And also clearly it helped the Matchalon.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, and it does sound like what like I
Speaker 1: don't somewhere between ten and fifteen teams. We're doing something
Speaker 1: of a variation of this, right, some variations. So all right,
Speaker 1: on that note, let's take a break and we'll come
Speaker 1: back with the back half of the show. Welcome back
Speaker 1: to the episode five hundred and sixty four of five
Speaker 1: and five. We're on our fourth segment. We're going around
Speaker 1: the horn heading into the break show. Heo Tani did
Speaker 1: not even play at all in all start game, right,
Speaker 1: it was he skipped the whole thing. Yeah, and they
Speaker 1: said he would not be pitching for a little bit.
Speaker 1: He's he they needed to drain his knee. He's had
Speaker 1: knee irritation for a little bit. It sounds like we've
Speaker 1: got some more specific he will not be pitching for
Speaker 1: a while, more more than they made it sound. Heading.
Speaker 1: The Dodgers love to lie, as they do. I'm sure
Speaker 1: some of this is.
Speaker 2: Is we got to see how he recovers from the
Speaker 2: knee draining, and right.
Speaker 1: Right, what does it feel like after we drain.
Speaker 2: The knee, does if he pitches the rest of the
Speaker 2: season or not? Right, Yeah, as long as he's ready
Speaker 2: for the playoff.
Speaker 3: To get ready for the playoffs, he'd be on a
Speaker 3: second job.
Speaker 1: Sure, he will continue to hit. It sounds like it
Speaker 1: is irritated when he It's based on how he lands
Speaker 1: and some of the torque and that kind of stuff,
Speaker 1: and not he doesn't.
Speaker 2: Have a torquie swing or anything.
Speaker 1: Well, but it's apparently not when he's If if it's
Speaker 1: his it's his left knee, right, so that's his landing leg,
Speaker 1: but also.
Speaker 2: Not it's his back leg. So I don't know who knows.
Speaker 1: It doesn't seem to bother him now when he swings,
Speaker 1: so he will just be dhing for a while. We
Speaker 1: didn't put it in here, but just on the Dodgers,
Speaker 1: it sounds like Will Smith's gonna be out for a bunch.
Speaker 2: It sounds like they might be actually interested in exploring
Speaker 2: the catching market, which.
Speaker 1: Probably a backup catcher just let well I was, but
Speaker 1: who knows.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I said, like why are you doing this when
Speaker 2: you have Dalton rushing? And Jarrett point out to me
Speaker 2: like everyone needs Dalton rushing.
Speaker 1: Like yeah, that's actually true. Well yeah, there, I know
Speaker 1: there are some clips, but they've also been caught in
Speaker 1: certain ways from broader.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's like a lot to be clear, you know, I'm
Speaker 1: not I'm not trying to say like everyone loves him necessarily,
Speaker 1: but like I think it's I don't know, I don't
Speaker 1: think it's it's that that that.
Speaker 2: Badness as I continue to trade off every mat and existence,
Speaker 2: at least Trends is available. Craig, how do you feel
Speaker 2: about that?
Speaker 1: I thought he was the franchise I thought was available anyway, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't. I honestly think something like Ben ortvett is,
Speaker 1: isn't he in the Mets?
Speaker 2: He's in the the Mets right now?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that like he he played with them
Speaker 1: last year, he knows the pitching staff, that kind of
Speaker 1: thing seems more likely. They also might just go with Elizer,
Speaker 1: like who knows.
Speaker 2: The Connecticut Tiger ever watched to make the majors.
Speaker 1: I think he finally got his first career head. Uh.
Speaker 1: Speaking of an All West Catchers, Hunter Goodman also a
Speaker 1: potential trade candidate. I suppose first Rocky take three home
Speaker 1: runs in a game twice in a season, that's a
Speaker 1: season thought a game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's like like you would have thought somebody would
Speaker 2: have like Todd Helton was there. Yeah, yeah, you would
Speaker 2: think some would have done it before. Hunter Goodman.
Speaker 3: But I do love that the Rockies lost that game.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, they wouldn't be the Rockies. Rintaro Sasaki
Speaker 1: signs with the Marlins.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm a little.
Speaker 3: So.
Speaker 2: Obviously, he was a fairly big name when he came
Speaker 2: over to play college ball here. He was not particularly
Speaker 2: good in college. There's why you went, you know, if
Speaker 2: you if you play I guess that's not the Pac twelve.
Speaker 2: Any What conference is Stanford in.
Speaker 1: I don't know what they're in the Okay, so the
Speaker 1: plant A Coast Conference, right, yeah, fine, sure.
Speaker 3: It's either Atlantic or Coast one of them.
Speaker 1: Att Yeah, I guess, yeah, Okay, I guess because I
Speaker 1: was going to say, explain s m U, but I
Speaker 1: guess maybe that's the Gulf Coast anyway.
Speaker 2: Anyway, if you are a three year I don't know,
Speaker 2: there's a draft dollars or sophone. You're a three year
Speaker 2: starter at in a CC school and you're going in
Speaker 2: the eighth round, like you're probably not actually a very
Speaker 2: good hitter. I'm a little surprised he didn't go back
Speaker 2: to MPB. But he also got drafted by a team
Speaker 2: that doesn't post anyone, So maybe he just wants to
Speaker 2: take a shot. Yeah here, and like he's getting an
Speaker 2: okay bonus in the eighth round, I'm sure, but in
Speaker 2: the fact that he came over here to play college
Speaker 2: ball means he probably was playing MLB, right that that's
Speaker 2: the more logical path that I don't like it go
Speaker 2: right out for him, But that's true of any eighth
Speaker 2: round college bath for the most part.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, it's honestly I feel for the guy because
Speaker 3: the way his college career wound up, this this wind
Speaker 3: up being kind of the hardest possible decision.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was very but yeah, it's a very I
Speaker 2: don't know what I would have done. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 2: know either.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Elsewhere, Kyle Bradish extended as as was news to.
Speaker 2: Me earlier, miss kelleration.
Speaker 1: Basically I missed that while I was briefly out of town.
Speaker 2: What was the five.
Speaker 3: Than anything?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean, look, I think Kyle British is
Speaker 1: a good picture the injury history alone.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't know why he's older thirty four right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I don't think it's anything maybe thirty through thirty five,
Speaker 1: it's if.
Speaker 2: It's five, well no, it's it's five years and it
Speaker 2: kicks in next year, So I think it's thirty to
Speaker 2: thirty four.
Speaker 3: I don't have anything against Kyle British, but I feel
Speaker 3: like Kyle Bradish plus the Baltimoreals is the exact point
Speaker 3: where I do not care.
Speaker 2: I just don't know why you've locked in Shane Baz
Speaker 2: and Kyle Bradish and not locked and like signed to
Speaker 2: anybody yell us at any point in time.
Speaker 3: I mean, is Kyle British, I don't know if you're
Speaker 3: a love Is he a playoff starter? I think he's
Speaker 3: a playoff starter. Yeah, you just got to get those
Speaker 3: guys you gotta get.
Speaker 2: But he's as shouldn't be starting game one for you,
Speaker 2: which he's going to.
Speaker 1: But again, like we're talking about like jose Soriano and
Speaker 1: like it's kind of and Jose Soriano are kind of
Speaker 1: the same to me, two guys who should start the
Speaker 1: second game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like Josey Toriano should absolutely get out of Anaheim,
Speaker 2: but I would also understand him signing this exact same
Speaker 2: extension too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, maybe so, uh Brandon Woodruff and.
Speaker 3: Uh Woff, like the guests like the and credit on
Speaker 3: around the Horn. I feel like every week.
Speaker 1: Didn't we just talk about him last week? For the year, Yeah, he's.
Speaker 3: Each week, the certainty of his his injury grows, and
Speaker 3: I don't know how he's going to find a way
Speaker 3: to come back for us to talk about it. Next week,
Speaker 3: we'll find a way for some some new piece of
Speaker 3: depressing Brandon wonderff news his.
Speaker 1: His shoulder is actually made out of Hamburger meat, scientists discover. Uh,
Speaker 1: and our doctor says, Keller out for the year. I'm assume,
Speaker 1: I'm assuming, Brad.
Speaker 2: I did. I did have a bit of a double
Speaker 2: take this morning, but it is mentioned.
Speaker 1: Mitch earlier and it wasn't well that is uh.
Speaker 2: You should always count on us mentioning Mitch Keller.
Speaker 1: That's right. Oh, it was a great episode for the
Speaker 1: keller Fellers with both of them are mentioned. Uh, that's
Speaker 1: a tough blow for the Phillies.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But now Dave Dombrowski gets to do his favorite thing,
Speaker 2: which is trade for lever the deadline.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I guess they do. They don't have a
Speaker 1: ton of Jose Alvarado has been.
Speaker 2: He is nothing good Durant obviously, but he's gonna need
Speaker 2: at least two more leverage rely Verse to feel comfortable.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so we'll see, we'll see come there and
Speaker 1: that brings us to our game.
Speaker 3: That brings us our game. We're doing leader wards. So
Speaker 3: we haven't done this game in a while. I know
Speaker 3: you guys love it so much. Uh, what I'm gonna do?
Speaker 3: Do you guys know booths? For this one. What we're
Speaker 3: gonna do is We're gonna take turns guessing and I
Speaker 3: have the top ten leaders in various statistical categories as
Speaker 3: of today, and you'll take turns voting. You get ten
Speaker 3: points for whoevers in first, you get one point forever
Speaker 3: and tent and after five categories, you've got three guesses each.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna admit something about myself on these games,
Speaker 1: is it's not I I somehow feel that the taking
Speaker 1: turns is worse. Yeah, because I then have to guess,
Speaker 1: Whereas like when it's just a competition, if I just
Speaker 1: lose to Jeff, I can be like, great, great move,
Speaker 1: great one, Jeff beat me to it. Good job.
Speaker 3: All right, Well that's a break. Go first, we're gonna
Speaker 3: start with slugging percentage. Who else the this is for?
Speaker 3: I think it's called for qualified batters for this one.
Speaker 3: It's for the Yeah, I'll let you know. For each
Speaker 3: one but for this one, it's qualified batters, Craig, who
Speaker 3: is who has the highest looking percentage of baseball?
Speaker 1: See, this should be something I should be able to
Speaker 1: like figure out, but I probably can't. I'm gonna I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go with your non albs.
Speaker 3: You'd be correct to do. So, he's ten points.
Speaker 2: Okay, First, I will go with because you want like
Speaker 2: a fairly high batting average too, I I will just
Speaker 2: go with Junior Camenara.
Speaker 3: Junior Camanaro is ninth. Actually he's tied for eighth, so
Speaker 3: you get three points, all right, Craig, Guess two.
Speaker 1: I will go with Kyle Schwarber.
Speaker 3: Aile Schwarber is tied for fourth, seventh.
Speaker 2: I almost sure, but I thought the banning hours would
Speaker 2: be too low.
Speaker 1: No, I thought Carmanara was a good guest, to be honest.
Speaker 3: Now there's not a huge number. I mean, I will
Speaker 3: I will say this is.
Speaker 1: Just slogging percentage.
Speaker 2: Because it's like it's yeah, yeah, no, I'm saying, like,
Speaker 2: but if you hit two forty and the other guy
Speaker 2: hits camin I was hitting eight, the.
Speaker 1: Gap between Camara was a great guest.
Speaker 3: I will say the gap between your done and number
Speaker 3: two is the same as the gap number nine.
Speaker 2: That's what I also figured.
Speaker 3: Yeah one so one. Soto is seventh, so you get.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's had a bad week.
Speaker 3: Four points because we do three guesses each have three guesses,
Speaker 3: you have one more.
Speaker 1: I have like an obvious one and and one lesson
Speaker 1: less obvious that m I'm going to go for the
Speaker 1: stretch and probably probably pay for it. But I am
Speaker 1: going to say Jordan Walker, Jordan Walker is none on
Speaker 1: the list.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he's like he's like under five hundred right now.
Speaker 2: I think I knew, I knew what. Look, I knew
Speaker 2: going in, I was going to pay for it.
Speaker 3: Just a chance to catch up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm trying to you're out which Okay, we'll pick here.
Speaker 2: Let's go with the Colson Montgomery.
Speaker 3: Colston Gummery is not also known in the list. I'll
Speaker 3: take it, all right, So seventeen to seven. Craig is
Speaker 3: the lead. You're the leaders the rest of the way.
Speaker 3: Ben Rice of course forgotten. Yeah, Byron Buckston number three,
Speaker 3: I would.
Speaker 2: Not have got, like I know he's I wouldn't have
Speaker 2: gotten that, but I know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Hunter Goodman tied for fourth, James Wood fifth, Wilson
Speaker 3: shame on but yeah, and Louis Garcia is.
Speaker 2: My problem that Cam and Arrow, Like I thought, I know,
Speaker 2: he's like right around five forty. I didn't think there
Speaker 2: could be that many, Like there's a lot of guys
Speaker 2: between like five thirty and five sixty.
Speaker 3: Isn't it all right, Jeff your first this one. It's
Speaker 3: just straight a R.
Speaker 1: A the r A.
Speaker 3: So this is all starting pitching, all starting pitching.
Speaker 2: Okay, Jacob Iss, youre asking, that's stand points.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, what the category.
Speaker 3: Best e r A yep, starting pictures?
Speaker 1: Well that's hm hm hm hm that's annoying. I huh,
Speaker 1: it's not good for me. It's not good for me that.
Speaker 1: But I don't know. We talk about YI so much too,
Speaker 1: and I boy, uh god, there's gotta be.
Speaker 3: It's it's you're correct, there has to be at least
Speaker 3: nine names.
Speaker 1: Right, No, no, No, it's just it's it's just that
Speaker 1: so many of the guys that I would like have
Speaker 1: auto named, I know, have had some rough outings recently,
Speaker 1: and so like I'm trying to think what I have.
Speaker 1: Eduardo rodrig is stuck in because I know he's at
Speaker 1: two point six to two, okay, and I'm trying to think,
Speaker 1: like what else?
Speaker 2: Can I please not pick Eduardo?
Speaker 1: Can I please not pick? And this is qualified? I
Speaker 1: don't know if he's starting. I guess I'll take the guess.
Speaker 1: If he hasn't, he had some rough outings too, God
Speaker 1: damn it. You know what I'm just gonna say. EDWARDO.
Speaker 3: Rodrigues, all right, tied for six five points? Fine, Chase
Speaker 3: Chase Burns is even fifth? Yeah, so six points?
Speaker 1: Sure mm hmm. Like this, I know there are guys
Speaker 1: with like two obviously obviously above Edward Rodriguez, right, like, oh,
Speaker 1: he's probably qualified. I know he just got hurt.
Speaker 3: Kyle Harrison, Uh, he is no one thelest.
Speaker 1: Oh God damn it.
Speaker 2: Sonny Gray.
Speaker 1: You just looked at it.
Speaker 3: Sonny Gray is in fourth. Seven point. Yes, there's two
Speaker 3: guys with the two guys.
Speaker 1: Oh u, Cam Schlitzler, there you go.
Speaker 3: Craig takes back the lead. He's third.
Speaker 2: He's I thought was lower than two point. He was,
Speaker 2: he's had bad starts. And also it's only two point two.
Speaker 3: So you guys dodge Christopher Sanchez, who was type for fifth.
Speaker 1: Okay, Sanchez, I knew had had bad starts.
Speaker 2: I knew Burns and Gray were better than Sancho, That's why.
Speaker 3: Butto on what was nonetheless, Chris Sale is the one
Speaker 3: you guys both finished.
Speaker 1: I thought, I thought about Chrysale, and he has been incredible,
Speaker 1: and I truly did not know what he was doing to.
Speaker 2: I know he's been I just never remember Chris Sale,
Speaker 2: which I think is.
Speaker 1: I looked at Atlanta and said, Chris Sale, and then
Speaker 1: I thought, I don't like. I don't know if it's
Speaker 1: low twos or if it's three pie twos.
Speaker 3: I just don't know, and then rounded out Nick Martinez,
Speaker 3: God Jesus he is eight, Max Meyer's knight, and Foster
Speaker 3: Griffin is also. Okay, all right, move on to category three.
Speaker 3: It is satisfyingly tied thirty three. Craig, your first, This
Speaker 3: is highest walk rate among qualified hitters. Hitters, yeah, hitters, Yeah,
Speaker 3: best most walks by hitters.
Speaker 1: You know what, I'm just gonna go with old faithful
Speaker 1: or on Alvarez.
Speaker 2: You're on.
Speaker 3: Alvarez is sixth. I'll take my point.
Speaker 1: That's fine, that's fine.
Speaker 3: One so one so is fifth for six month, Okay.
Speaker 2: I guess higher because like, why would you pitch once?
Speaker 1: Ye?
Speaker 3: Why why would.
Speaker 1: Can? I I don't know if he's I don't know
Speaker 1: what qualify. Do you know what is qualified in terms
Speaker 1: of number of later I.
Speaker 3: Think at this point it would be about a little
Speaker 3: under three hundred, three hundred or so.
Speaker 2: There have been a hundred games that Yeah, there's three
Speaker 2: point one plate appearances.
Speaker 1: You know, I will go with just another walk guy.
Speaker 1: I this is not based on strong knowledgy or anything.
Speaker 1: I'll just say Max Moncy having a good season.
Speaker 3: Sorry, cool Jeff for the lead.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm thinking I got a couple in mind, So
Speaker 2: I am going to say I feel like I think
Speaker 2: he's probably on there, but I also like don't feel
Speaker 2: great about it. Let's say Cam and Arrow he.
Speaker 3: Has not on it?
Speaker 2: Really?
Speaker 3: All right, Craig, you got a chance.
Speaker 2: To I can't want this year again? Why would you
Speaker 2: pitch him? Okay?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm caught between a few a few places. I
Speaker 1: this is really killing me because I don't I don't
Speaker 1: know if he's qualified for the guy I really want
Speaker 1: to say, I'm just I'm not gonna say it. I
Speaker 1: guess I'll just say Kyle Schwarber again.
Speaker 3: Kyle Schwarber is tied for ninth two points.
Speaker 2: Walking Like I don't like the walky.
Speaker 3: You think you're gonna you're gonna be upset.
Speaker 2: Sure, I'm gonna. I'm gonna do one for the brand
Speaker 2: and say mcgual Vargus.
Speaker 1: No, I was gonna say, Mark Commy.
Speaker 3: I don't Commy is definitely not qual.
Speaker 2: I don't think bats either.
Speaker 1: He gets hit by pitches, but he's hit by Yeah.
Speaker 1: Uh so.
Speaker 3: Starting at the top, Mike Trout nineteen point one percent.
Speaker 1: Kurts honestly didn't know.
Speaker 2: Okay, Nick Kurts, everyone should just forget the athletic Taylor.
Speaker 3: Ward Taylor words number three, James wood is number four.
Speaker 1: What I thought about too, And then I was like,
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's all, Like I couldn't remember
Speaker 1: if it was all.
Speaker 3: Then rounding out the top ten, Michael Bush for all
Speaker 3: the Perdomo, Bryce Harper, and Brian Reynolds.
Speaker 2: What a list? Yeah, okay, Okay, Balds just walking more
Speaker 2: than Miguel Argus Wild Junior.
Speaker 3: All right, so Jeff, your your turn, and this time
Speaker 3: it is strikeout percentage for pictures again, starting.
Speaker 2: Pictures, starting pictures. Okay, Jacob Aus, you're asking there you
Speaker 2: go ten points?
Speaker 1: Just you know what, let me guess you know what
Speaker 1: the sale. Let's not forget Chris Sale.
Speaker 3: Chris Sale is fourth or sorry, seventh, so four points.
Speaker 3: That's not right, twenty eight point nine percent. Four points?
Speaker 3: All right, Jeff done wide in the lead. Yeah, strike
Speaker 3: out percentage, strikeout percentage.
Speaker 2: Your burns walks a fair of you, guys, so it's
Speaker 2: not it strikes out a lot to uh, Cam Schlittler.
Speaker 3: Slittler is fifth time for fourth.
Speaker 2: Sorry, so here we go.
Speaker 1: Take it away. You get supports at yeah, all right,
Speaker 1: well nonsense.
Speaker 3: You should probably name movers in seconds so you can
Speaker 3: climb back into this thing.
Speaker 1: Cool. Thanks, Patrick, who is in second. I'm gonna he
Speaker 1: walks a lot sound a great here though, Uh I'm
Speaker 1: gonna say I'm gonna say Dylan Cees mm.
Speaker 3: Hmm, uh no, awesome.
Speaker 2: Uh hmmm. I feel like I guy, guys, like I'm
Speaker 2: fairly comfortable on this list, but also I don't.
Speaker 1: Know that's all you need.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know it's true, but like I'm trying to
Speaker 2: open up a little bit.
Speaker 1: Of you're going for it. You're stepping on the throat. Yeah.
Speaker 1: By the way, really cool that Jeff gets both pitching categories.
Speaker 1: You get three.
Speaker 3: You get to go first three times, he gets the
Speaker 3: easier two times.
Speaker 1: Okay, in what world is going first in advantage? He
Speaker 1: gets to go first with the two most obvious answers.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, what are you complaining about again?
Speaker 2: I will just take the points with Chase Burns.
Speaker 1: You're giving me non obvious answers, and I'm a moron.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm complaining about.
Speaker 3: Chase Burns is ninth gets two points? All right, Greg,
Speaker 3: you're still on this if you can get one of
Speaker 3: the high ones.
Speaker 1: I can't.
Speaker 6: Uh, it's just striking percent. I'm gonna say this again.
Speaker 6: I'm gonna be wrong, but I don't think he walked
Speaker 6: a ton of guys before he got hurt. Ah, I'll
Speaker 6: just say Kyle Harrison again.
Speaker 3: Your attachment to Kyle Harrison is killing you. Fine, all right,
Speaker 3: Jacob m Gram's second, Kevin.
Speaker 2: M because he doesn't.
Speaker 3: I thought about fourth, sixth, Nolan McLain eighth.
Speaker 2: Joe almost said McLain too, but I thought a huge,
Speaker 2: huge strikeout guy.
Speaker 3: So Jeff is up fifty five to forty one. Craig,
Speaker 3: you can still do it.
Speaker 2: This is okay. He gave up as mean if he
Speaker 2: didn't get the fourth place points.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess. So last category.
Speaker 1: Patrick, by the way, only this is Patrick only ever
Speaker 1: updates scores like that when he's being a dick to me,
Speaker 1: like it is not Ever, he does not do this
Speaker 1: in reverse. Ever, check the top.
Speaker 2: You don't our next game is just guessing whatever?
Speaker 3: And I almost mentioned him as a trade candidate for
Speaker 3: the Red Sox and the short stuff, and I'm like, no, no,
Speaker 3: not even good enough. All right, Last category d r
Speaker 3: P Overall dr P catchers included. Who are the best
Speaker 3: defenders in baseball? By our own in house defensive metric, Craig.
Speaker 1: You can go first? Sure? Are you you know what Patrick?
Speaker 1: Jacob Mazarowski.
Speaker 3: No, no you're not.
Speaker 1: Yes, Yes, pictures have DRPs.
Speaker 3: You know what their DRPs are. Come on, take the
Speaker 3: is We need the very similitude. You need to take
Speaker 3: this seriously. I don't care if you're suffering.
Speaker 1: You gotta ah, I'm sure, yeah, Dylan Dingler.
Speaker 3: Eighth eight it's like eight, no third, eight points?
Speaker 1: What is happening?
Speaker 3: Even? Eight points? It's in your favorite this time? All right, Jeff,
Speaker 3: you're up by six.
Speaker 2: The guess that I was gonna make Now I'm a
Speaker 2: little annoyed. Uh P Crow Armstrong.
Speaker 3: He is fourth, so seven points all right?
Speaker 1: Mm hm, I hate this.
Speaker 3: You still got a shot man?
Speaker 1: No, I don't because I don't. I honestly thought Dylan
Speaker 1: Dingler was gonna be first.
Speaker 3: I'm a little surprised. But Catcher, you catch your defenses
Speaker 3: down this year.
Speaker 1: I don't know what other I mean. I was assuming
Speaker 1: it would be a Catcher then, but it's not Pekron.
Speaker 3: No, there are two people above what's that? There are
Speaker 3: two people above them both?
Speaker 1: Yeah, apparently, I'll say Don Rafaela.
Speaker 3: He is six, So you get five points? All right?
Speaker 3: Still technically in it, Jeff, you can you can close
Speaker 3: it up by getting by getting at least uh yeah,
Speaker 3: two points or three points?
Speaker 2: On which center fielder I want to pick? H mm hmmmmmm,
Speaker 2: it's only gets played enough. What center fielder do I
Speaker 2: want to pick? Let's go with me and Byron Buxton.
Speaker 3: He's not on there opened the door, right, Craig, you
Speaker 3: got two, two guesses that can put you in the league.
Speaker 4: I The thing is, I don't think I.
Speaker 1: I don't the one I want to guess. I don't
Speaker 1: think DRP actually likes even though I think he's having
Speaker 1: a very I think by most metrics, he's having a
Speaker 1: very good defensive year. Yeah, I'm just I don't really
Speaker 1: have I don't have a good sense. I'm gonna say,
Speaker 1: Dancey Swanson he.
Speaker 3: Is not on the list, all right, Jeff.
Speaker 2: Just for the bit, I will say Louis Trends he.
Speaker 3: Is also not on the list, alright. Alright. So, uh,
Speaker 3: the the going from the bottom up, Evan Carter three
Speaker 3: point seven, Garrett at three point eight from from the
Speaker 3: bot you're starting, Yeah, ten, because we've got to finish
Speaker 3: with the two guys who couldn't need Cal Rawley somehow
Speaker 3: at eight despite missing a lunch of time and also
Speaker 3: hitting like hitting like the trash bag on fire.
Speaker 2: Jake Mangum Mater Jake Mangum.
Speaker 3: Cody Bellinger in fifth, But the two Corbyn Carroll seven
Speaker 3: point nine is second place, and your hero and mine,
Speaker 3: Chandler Simpson still now by far the best defensive player
Speaker 3: in baseball.
Speaker 1: This is this isn't just an entire troll drop.
Speaker 2: And now we're done.
Speaker 3: And now we're done.
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