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<v Speaker 1>Top lots of productions.

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<v Speaker 2>Still, as the official narrative goes, and and the the

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<v Speaker 2>you know, as far as just the corroborated background of

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<v Speaker 2>the group itself and the members, and and then their

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<v Speaker 2>perspective on Vernon hallll And and David koresh this is

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<v Speaker 2>how the.

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<v Speaker 3>Story goes, and so it's again, according to two other

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<v Speaker 3>members of the group, David would would issue.

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<v Speaker 2>A challenge to people after returning, and he would say,

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<v Speaker 2>this book is sealed with seven seals.

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<v Speaker 1>No man can reveal it.

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<v Speaker 3>I wonder if you might let him show you.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh what.

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<v Speaker 4>Frozen over the coastal burns underneath muskin. The water is

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<v Speaker 4>rising all around and there is.

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<v Speaker 5>Nothing loft I can do.

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<v Speaker 6>I said, I saw you said like that die? They

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<v Speaker 6>say that God die. Now using day waned died died,

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<v Speaker 6>doesn't read.

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<v Speaker 1>That many of the people in the residents were homicide victims.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey guys, it's Jose Galisan. Welcome to another No way, Jose,

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<v Speaker 1>We're doing an episode on the Waco Weirdness with Austin Picard.

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<v Speaker 1>By that, I mean this is a follow up to

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<v Speaker 1>our recent Waco episode we did. And with going into

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<v Speaker 1>the Waco episode, we kind of looked, went back through

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<v Speaker 1>it with new eyes alas Austin did more particularly, so

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<v Speaker 1>there was a lot of a lot of new kind

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<v Speaker 1>of not regularly treaded information or maybe seen under new

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<v Speaker 1>eyes to have a new use. And so but we

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<v Speaker 1>figured as we were covering it in our you know,

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<v Speaker 1>as since that was the original or last time we

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<v Speaker 1>covered it was meant to be like a thirty second

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<v Speaker 1>I believe anniversary, and it just felt not appropriate to

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<v Speaker 1>really be kind of treading over it would have made

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<v Speaker 1>it like a way too long of anp episode. Plus

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<v Speaker 1>it just kind of felt like, you know, just for

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<v Speaker 1>the sake of what we were trying to do, just

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<v Speaker 1>a you know, an anniversary episode, kind of stick to

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<v Speaker 1>the main points, maybe a little bit new stuff ish.

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<v Speaker 1>But then we decided we'd taken another separate episode and

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<v Speaker 1>really really dive into that, and that's what we're doing here.

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<v Speaker 1>But before we get into that, I do need to

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<v Speaker 1>get into the show. Let's get Austin in here, and

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<v Speaker 1>let's get to it. What's up, brother, how you doing?

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<v Speaker 4>D Man?

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<v Speaker 2>I do want to start out by saying, first off,

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<v Speaker 2>is obviously like with the narrative that we're kind of

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<v Speaker 2>going to pursue and at least fall down this strange

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<v Speaker 2>rabbit hole. In terms of Waco itself and this alternative theory.

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<v Speaker 2>What's very interesting to me is that the ultimate conclusion

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<v Speaker 2>remains the same. This still is ultimately one of the

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<v Speaker 2>all time best examples of what your government is capable of,

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<v Speaker 2>right and so like, at the end of the day,

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<v Speaker 2>no matter if the kind of our original starting point

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<v Speaker 2>from just the recent anniversary episode where we covered the

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<v Speaker 2>base and really UH illustrated the foundational principles of what

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<v Speaker 2>mattered most and in terms of Waco, like, this is

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<v Speaker 2>not at all, in my mind casting any any shadow

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<v Speaker 2>over the victims in a negative way. I think, if

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<v Speaker 2>if anything, it would be UH providing us an optimistic

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<v Speaker 2>window into reinforcing the reality of this, this very strange

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<v Speaker 2>clandestine network that as we continue to spotlight and and

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<v Speaker 2>UH and and as far as within the context of

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<v Speaker 2>our research it really does this almost proves positive of

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<v Speaker 2>our our strange gladio everything theory. Yes, brother, like I

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<v Speaker 2>know that this isn't this is not something that I

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<v Speaker 2>I initially intended to ever consider. And and again this

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<v Speaker 2>is a newly found alternative theory, so and not at

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<v Speaker 2>all something that I went out of my way to pursue,

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<v Speaker 2>like it fell into my lap due to my natural

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<v Speaker 2>process of pulling at those tugging at those threads of

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<v Speaker 2>investigative interest, and you know, inevitably I wound up in

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<v Speaker 2>the dystopian land of mind control, right, which unfortunately seems

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<v Speaker 2>to be all too often reoccurring.

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<v Speaker 7>In my life.

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<v Speaker 1>But but I guess that kind of works as a

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<v Speaker 1>good bridge into I think where we want to start,

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<v Speaker 1>which is kind of I think, I think a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of you know, me and you we kind of claw

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<v Speaker 1>at the veil a lot of the time of our research.

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<v Speaker 1>I think, you know, when we talk about demon possession,

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<v Speaker 1>that might be you know, what was MK Ultra was

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<v Speaker 1>in the past, you know, so I think, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>so it's worth analyzing the woo woo at hand here

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<v Speaker 1>with the branch Davidians and some of the stuff with

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<v Speaker 1>Kuesha's past.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>I amily he did, from my recollection take a trip

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<v Speaker 1>to Israel and then come back, and that's when he

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<v Speaker 1>decided to change his name from I think Vernon Howell

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<v Speaker 1>to David Koresh. Obviously we talked last episode, but the

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<v Speaker 1>symbolic significance of all of that, but it is like, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>it just kind of seems like there's some sort of

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<v Speaker 1>root here, which you know, when you do get into

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<v Speaker 1>these weird you know, obviously we already said it, Gladio,

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<v Speaker 1>there does seem to be when you get to the

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<v Speaker 1>tippy top of these things weird. I mean, once you

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<v Speaker 1>start getting a little bit of the monarch blurn in there,

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<v Speaker 1>you get some weird esoteric occult stuff going on here

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<v Speaker 1>that you're like, I don't know what the hell this is.

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<v Speaker 1>So I mean, when you start going further, you start

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<v Speaker 1>learning Cabbala type stuff. And now we're talking about some

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<v Speaker 1>dude in some sort of cult that's going to Israel

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<v Speaker 1>and getting information revealed to him, and uh, call me crazy,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe I'm a little bit conspiratorial here, but uh my

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<v Speaker 1>head starts opinion when I hear these sorts of things. So,

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<v Speaker 1>I just if you've since the last time we and

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<v Speaker 1>we touched on that a tiny bit in our last episode,

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<v Speaker 1>But is there anything in this realm that you feel

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<v Speaker 1>like with their bear significance rehashing before we get into

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<v Speaker 1>some of the other things, because yeah, this is the

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<v Speaker 1>lead up before all of it. So but it's like,

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<v Speaker 1>I think this is important, Like this is some sort

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<v Speaker 1>of theological something, whether this is whether we want to

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<v Speaker 1>be cynical, parapolitical you know, analytics analytic analyzers and be like,

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<v Speaker 1>well this was a but like I don't know whether

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<v Speaker 1>it's wu wu or it's not. Something happens, something will

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<v Speaker 1>happen there, you know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 2>And ovi significance, this isn't as far into like the esoteric,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, sort of theoretical landscape as as you might think. Like, honestly,

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<v Speaker 2>what what I've discovered is is seemingly a very very

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<v Speaker 2>plausible alternative alternative theory that that seems to also play

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<v Speaker 2>perfectly into the framework of what was what was being

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<v Speaker 2>being covertly pursued at the time.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>And considering this ties in even even the Oklahoma City bombing,

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<v Speaker 2>which I found very interesting as far as just like

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<v Speaker 2>how they would potentially have uh you know, yeah, and

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<v Speaker 2>and also how they they seemingly developed this this uh

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<v Speaker 2>this device, this bomb that they also wanted were attempting

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<v Speaker 2>to do. There's an't there's a very interesting aspect to

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<v Speaker 2>that as well, which we'll get into. But but there

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<v Speaker 2>seems to be a tie in which also brings in

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<v Speaker 2>Timothy mcveay very strangely. But but uh, but of course, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>there's there's something I discovered about his potential mentoring and

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<v Speaker 2>candidate connections that I was unaware of until recently as well,

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<v Speaker 2>which I thought you would be so fascinated by it,

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<v Speaker 2>and uh, if you hadn't already been exposed to it.

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<v Speaker 2>But but what I will say is that to begin with,

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<v Speaker 2>by the way, you want to go all the way

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<v Speaker 2>back to like the the history of David David himself

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<v Speaker 2>or Vernon right when when he's he's when he's a

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<v Speaker 2>young man, you know, he's legitimately.

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<v Speaker 1>Just yeah, who's his daddy? That's any I mean with

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<v Speaker 1>all these weird breeding stuff going on with these glowies,

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<v Speaker 1>like who the fuck is this dude's daddy? So obviously

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<v Speaker 1>that's the starting point, you know.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And by the way, his his mother in sixty four

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<v Speaker 2>married a marine by the name of Roy Haldeman, all right,

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<v Speaker 2>And this was interesting to me, and I would like

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<v Speaker 2>to look deeper into his personal connections because it seems

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<v Speaker 2>as if you know, you know, that this would put

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<v Speaker 2>them in a very disruptive, chaotic position. And as far

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<v Speaker 2>as like terms of his childhood and so his real mother,

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<v Speaker 2>by the way, was wasn't even revealed to him, right

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<v Speaker 2>as far as like the truth about his real mother

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<v Speaker 2>and and things of that nature until he's like five

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<v Speaker 2>years old, wasn't he like he thought he was his

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<v Speaker 2>sister or something where yes, man, it's such a it's

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<v Speaker 2>such a crazy And then so this kind of stages

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<v Speaker 2>his his life experience and in a very interesting way.

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<v Speaker 2>And and so then uh to make this situation, uh

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<v Speaker 2>even worse. So it's at this time in his childhood

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<v Speaker 2>when Koresh is said to have began to be sexually

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<v Speaker 2>abused by one of his mother's male relatives. So that yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and so in July nineteen, patterns here exactly trauma based

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<v Speaker 2>mind control in a way, if not just traumatic child abuse,

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<v Speaker 2>obviously paving the way for some some sort of yeah

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<v Speaker 2>psychological definitely, you're going to have a pattern that that

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<v Speaker 2>will uh yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Well I've been ranting on I mean this, I guess

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<v Speaker 1>it will be out by this time. The idea of

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<v Speaker 1>uh monarch and how it might work. It just seems

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<v Speaker 1>like the common theme is it's always like early life,

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<v Speaker 1>something happens, you know, crazy trauma, and then something it's

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<v Speaker 1>like later then they get activated and it's like they're

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<v Speaker 1>they're almost unwitting, like between the two and they almost

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<v Speaker 1>seem like these seem like two unrelated events, but somehow

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<v Speaker 1>it ends up the same result of But it's like,

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<v Speaker 1>I know, we've theorized a little bit about like how

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<v Speaker 1>there would almost need to be some sort of method

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<v Speaker 1>of communication, and some of these weird like Temple of

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<v Speaker 1>Set or the Church of Satan and like the there

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<v Speaker 1>there's the structure of those entities kind of fill that role.

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<v Speaker 1>But maybe also the same could be said of where

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<v Speaker 1>like wherever the hell? Uh, you know, I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>David went in Israel, so like I don't know, that's

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<v Speaker 1>the kind of things, you know, whatever happened to him

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<v Speaker 1>as a young child with his mother's relative and then

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<v Speaker 1>you know, then later in life and he's like, are

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<v Speaker 1>these things connected perhaps? And is that too, skizzo, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know. But once you've dug into digging sort of

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<v Speaker 1>things we've dug into, you know, like the the coded

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<v Speaker 1>messages for you know, elites to procure children and stuff

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<v Speaker 2>Also it seems like he just had significant issues with

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<v Speaker 2>other thing worthwhile and mentioning just before we get further

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<v Speaker 2>as well as that. Starting with that pilgrimage in eighty

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<v Speaker 2>old girl who becomes pregnant, right, and so he never

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<v Speaker 2>he becomes or claim to have become, a born again

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<v Speaker 2>with the daughter of his pastor, and during this courtship

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<v Speaker 2>he's praying, apparently praying for guidance, and he he states

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<v Speaker 2>that none should want for her mate, right, and basically

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<v Speaker 2>he says that it's really interesting because he's convinced this

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<v Speaker 2>was a sign from God. Apparently koresh when he approached

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<v Speaker 2>have his daughter for a wife, and that's when he's

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<v Speaker 2>of because again it like also stages this strange issue

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<v Speaker 2>he's already developed with with. You know, clearly he has

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<v Speaker 2>some sort of proclivity for a younger mate, right, which

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<v Speaker 2>he's he's justifying in biblical scripture, which he claimed. I

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<v Speaker 2>Isaiah thirty four to sixteen stating that none should want

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<v Speaker 2>expelled from the church, so that kind of sets the

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<v Speaker 2>path for David in a very strange way. And then

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<v Speaker 2>David of course claiming visionary experiences right which he reported

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<v Speaker 2>in nineteen eighty five, and he claimed that he had

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<v Speaker 2>visited Heaven, was acknowledged by God as his son and

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<v Speaker 2>given the ability to see the true meaning of the Bible.

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<v Speaker 2>And in nineteen ninety that's when he filed a legal

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<v Speaker 2>I found that interesting as well, because based on his

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<v Speaker 2>the only person who could unlock the seven Seals of Revelation.

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<v Speaker 2>And in Revelation six, the Lamb takes a book sealed

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<v Speaker 2>on the throne, who is Christ in Koresh's interpretation, and

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<v Speaker 2>opens it. In the future kingdom, the Lamb will be married.

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<v Speaker 2>This will create a quartet of father, mother, son, the Spirit,

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<v Speaker 7>So apparently.

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<v Speaker 2>It gets even more interesting because the Branch Davidian sort

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<v Speaker 2>of their ideology, you know, is structured in a way

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<v Speaker 2>where this apparently, this two horned beast or lamb like

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<v Speaker 2>beast of revelation is the United States of America. And

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<v Speaker 2>the Assyrian. And so in the Branch Davidian interpretation of

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<v Speaker 2>the end Times rapture, the Assyrian will enter the Holy

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<v Speaker 2>Land in the land in the last days and interfere

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<v Speaker 2>in God's plans for Jerusalem. God will deal with the Assyrian,

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<v Speaker 2>and everyone not will to acknowledge God will flee the

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<v Speaker 2>Holy Land. The Lord will then establish his kingdom on

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<v Speaker 2>earth with the one hundred and forty four thousand people

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<v Speaker 2>with him at Mount Zion mentioned above. So that's exactly

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<v Speaker 2>how you're dealing with, you know, the modern Babylon Right

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<v Speaker 2>is essentially what's occurring here where you're seeing the ultimate

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<v Speaker 2>right doomsday prophecy take place. As far as what essentially

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<v Speaker 2>begins to happen is that Babylon will persecute God's people

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<v Speaker 2>and what Babylon.

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<v Speaker 1>Coming back from Israel, right, yes, and so the prox

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<v Speaker 1>obviously all three I mean between Islam, Christianity, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Christian Judaism, they all kind of have like a dialectic

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<v Speaker 1>when it comes to apocalypses. So it is kind of interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>He goes to the Holy Land and you know, kind

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<v Speaker 1>of have the same dialectic of kind of the same

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<v Speaker 1>basic thing, same goal points. And he comes back and

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<v Speaker 1>now he he's you know, been you know, has this

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<v Speaker 1>hidden information and it's super set on this apocalyptic you know,

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<v Speaker 1>rebuilding the Temple and the things of the like type stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>So well, yeah, yeah, he said.

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<v Speaker 2>Basically, God will deal with the Assyrian and everyone not

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<v Speaker 2>willing to acknowledge God will flee the Holy Land. But Babylon,

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<v Speaker 2>essentially Babylon the Great becoming as they believe to be,

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<v Speaker 2>this this Coalition of Nations or this one world government, right,

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<v Speaker 2>and and that is put together by the Assyrian and

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<v Speaker 2>Uh and the Two Horned Beast.

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<v Speaker 1>So Babylon will.

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<v Speaker 2>Persecute God's people, but God will provide a refuge for them.

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<v Speaker 2>Eventually Babylon will fall. God will cast the Two Horned

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<v Speaker 2>Beast into the Lake of Fire, and then much later

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<v Speaker 2>after the millennium the devil also apparently, So yeah, the

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<v Speaker 2>Kingdom of God will never be destroyed allegedly after the

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<v Speaker 2>after the millennium. But this is very interesting as far

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<v Speaker 2>as this, this sort of you know, this in times

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<v Speaker 2>prophecy that's playing out in many ways, and it sort

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<v Speaker 2>of as it becomes it justifies really what what occurred

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<v Speaker 2>at the time, you know, in the minds of a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of the Branch Davidians. Unfortunately, they believe they would

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<v Speaker 2>be martyred by and especially even by fire, which was

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<v Speaker 2>very much a part of his prophecy itself, which I

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<v Speaker 2>found interesting as well, and that it would be in

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<v Speaker 2>the form of two separate attacks, which also I thought

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<v Speaker 2>was very strange.

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<v Speaker 1>But Bible they I mean, they said that they never

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<v Speaker 1>destroy us by water again, it will be by fire

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<v Speaker 1>the next time. So it checks out, yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was listening to David Koresh's music earlier. I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, what it was so strange, man, but you

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<v Speaker 2>know it would cover.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, no.

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<v Speaker 2>One of them was was basically the Book of Daniel,

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<v Speaker 2>which I found interesting, and it was you know, obviously

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<v Speaker 2>the lyrics weren't.

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<v Speaker 1>Well good, no, well, no, it was definitely psalms you

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<v Speaker 1>could get away with that. Some so some psalms you

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<v Speaker 1>can make sound good. But I think, you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's some random mother book. It's just it's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>come out. It sounded too good. But I said, we're

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<v Speaker 1>on the the woo woo side of things. What what more,

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<v Speaker 1>particularly in the in this realm.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, so essentially, again, Mount Carmel was considered this man,

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<v Speaker 2>this is very strange. Mount Carmel's considered both a training

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<v Speaker 2>ground and haven, a place that prepared people to be

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<v Speaker 2>able to go to Israel. CRUSH's continued teaching of a

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<v Speaker 2>baptism of fire, his apocalyptic theology of martyrdom, and this

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<v Speaker 2>basically how Mount Carmel was sacred, and uh, this all

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<v Speaker 2>obviously played a role in the final events due to

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<v Speaker 2>of course this this clear you know, reference to a

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<v Speaker 2>baptism by fire, you know, and and uh anyway, so

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<v Speaker 2>you had strange controversies right regarding their unorthodox lifestyle. But

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<v Speaker 2>I felt like this is worth covering for a brief

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<v Speaker 1>So check out this video.

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<v Speaker 7>It is uh.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, this is crazy.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, the question is what am I doing? What

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<v Speaker 5>am I doing with all these children? You know what's

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<v Speaker 5>really going on here?

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<v Speaker 4>Well?

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<v Speaker 5>You know, God is God in this nation is supposed

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<v Speaker 5>to honor and serve God on our currency and these

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<v Speaker 5>two that I have or for a reason.

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<v Speaker 4>And unless we really have the ear and the eyes

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<v Speaker 4>to open ourselves up to be able to read, really

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<v Speaker 4>read the scriptures and understand the process and a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of the Seventh Seal, the explanation would seem almost But anyway,

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<v Speaker 4>hopefully God's granting us time to be able to open

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<v Speaker 4>these things up more thoroughly. And we just thought we'd

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<v Speaker 4>kind of break.

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<v Speaker 5>The eyes and allow people to see just exactly, you

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<v Speaker 5>know what kind of people we have here?

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<v Speaker 1>You see that? What's that?

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<v Speaker 7>Just that brief like.

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<v Speaker 2>I wonder maybe he's tired, maybe he's in pain, he

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<v Speaker 2>had been shot.

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<v Speaker 1>This is during the siege. Was the kind of shifting

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<v Speaker 1>of the body language.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, yeah, I'm just like you know how people

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<v Speaker 2>not out if they're drugged in any sort of way,

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<v Speaker 2>Like it's just some kind of a strange tell if

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<v Speaker 2>you like, if you just trail off.

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<v Speaker 1>But it could be many, many different reasons.

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<v Speaker 2>He's been shot tired. Yeah, yeah, I'm thinking he's just

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<v Speaker 2>in pain at this moment, right like that? Would Did

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<v Speaker 2>I start this from the beginning, by the way, I didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't. I didn't know this, okay, And we just.

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<v Speaker 5>Thought we'd kind of break the eyes and allow people

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<v Speaker 5>to see just exactly you know what kind of people

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<v Speaker 5>we have here. I'd just start off first off, my

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<v Speaker 5>oldest son. His name is Cyrus. How old are you?

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<v Speaker 7>His name is Cyrus?

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<v Speaker 4>Great?

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<v Speaker 5>Wave at him the camera right there, Hey, Starry Sean

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<v Speaker 5>Sean daddy's face. He's my love baby, right.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh. Bobby's our little clown here. Wave at the camera, Bobby,

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<v Speaker 4>way at the camera. Wave there you go, my little

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<v Speaker 4>holleyend Hollywood.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, day. How old are you? Huh?

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<v Speaker 4>Three?

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<v Speaker 5>Oh? She just she just turned one too. Huh. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>this is our little girl.

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<v Speaker 4>Change.

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<v Speaker 5>He's sweetie.

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<v Speaker 4>Huh.

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<v Speaker 5>He's so much He's an Australian baby. This one. We're

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<v Speaker 5>fixing to having a one. Yeah, right, she should be

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<v Speaker 5>about the Monk's.

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<v Speaker 1>Weird to me? Did you see that.

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<v Speaker 7>You're gonna have? Dude? This is weird right here?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, honestly, about a month.

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<v Speaker 4>Huh.

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<v Speaker 5>Another one here pretty soon she should be having an

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<v Speaker 1>Huh, that is a young girl.

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<v Speaker 4>Then hello, Hello, Okay, there's one thing about our children.

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<v Speaker 4>You will find out that there taught faith in God.

426
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<v Speaker 4>They may not know every doctor, they may not know

427
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<v Speaker 4>everything that we know, but they're taught that authority is

428
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<v Speaker 4>based in maturity. They're taught to respect people. Her name

429
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<v Speaker 4>is Serenity. Why she's Serene?

430
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<v Speaker 5>Huh? I mean you look Maddy so that much? Well,

431
00:26:21.720 --> 00:26:28.039
<v Speaker 5>it's a lot because this is Serenity, little sisters, the kids.

432
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<v Speaker 1>This is strange too, weird.

433
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<v Speaker 5>It's good love. Not he a kicker. This is Chamelle,

434
00:26:37.359 --> 00:26:40.279
<v Speaker 5>she's our jumpers. This is a very athletic little girl.

435
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<v Speaker 1>Strange.

436
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<v Speaker 5>Hello, come on, come here. She's always fascinated with me.

437
00:26:53.680 --> 00:26:56.839
<v Speaker 5>But anyway, this is my family, and uh no, one's

438
00:26:56.880 --> 00:26:59.680
<v Speaker 5>gonna come in on top of my family and start

439
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<v Speaker 5>push in my family.

440
00:27:00.759 --> 00:27:00.960
<v Speaker 4>Rush.

441
00:27:01.000 --> 00:27:04.000
<v Speaker 5>It's not gonna happen. Ain't gonna happen. You come point

442
00:27:04.079 --> 00:27:06.440
<v Speaker 5>guns in the direction of my wives and my kids.

443
00:27:06.599 --> 00:27:09.480
<v Speaker 5>Damn it. I'll meet you at the door any time.

444
00:27:10.839 --> 00:27:14.440
<v Speaker 5>And I'm sorry some of you guys got shot, but

445
00:27:14.720 --> 00:27:18.160
<v Speaker 5>uh hey, God would have to sort that out.

446
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<v Speaker 2>Only that's pretty gangster to be honest, right you know

447
00:27:23.559 --> 00:27:28.440
<v Speaker 2>that last Yeah, yeah, that that was a pretty gangster line.

448
00:27:28.480 --> 00:27:32.119
<v Speaker 2>But but I will say that you have to admit,

449
00:27:32.279 --> 00:27:34.440
<v Speaker 2>like that is a strange video like that.

450
00:27:35.119 --> 00:27:35.960
<v Speaker 7>I just sat there.

451
00:27:36.039 --> 00:27:36.559
<v Speaker 4>I like it.

452
00:27:37.200 --> 00:27:40.640
<v Speaker 2>Hey man, you know, I'm just saying.

453
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<v Speaker 1>It's definitely just when you see how young some of

454
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<v Speaker 1>those girls are.

455
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<v Speaker 7>And that's what I mean. Yeah, yeah, And keep this

456
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<v Speaker 7>in mind.

457
00:27:46.720 --> 00:27:49.599
<v Speaker 1>Many fucking kids, you got, dude, exactly.

458
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<v Speaker 2>And well he had seventeen different children by eight different women,

459
00:27:54.559 --> 00:27:57.640
<v Speaker 2>right and uh, and that was by ninety three that

460
00:27:57.759 --> 00:28:00.720
<v Speaker 2>he had fathered seventeen children, and his his goal was

461
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<v Speaker 2>apparently twenty four. His goal was to father twenty four children.

462
00:28:05.400 --> 00:28:07.319
<v Speaker 2>And so keep this in mind as well. This is

463
00:28:07.359 --> 00:28:12.880
<v Speaker 2>something I found interesting. I was unaware of, but apparently

464
00:28:14.599 --> 00:28:19.039
<v Speaker 2>he claimed this divine mandate obviously right to take these

465
00:28:19.079 --> 00:28:23.079
<v Speaker 2>spiritual wives from among the young women and girls. And

466
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<v Speaker 2>so in eighty nine he began to teach that all

467
00:28:25.880 --> 00:28:31.799
<v Speaker 2>women in the community, apparently including those married to others,

468
00:28:32.119 --> 00:28:34.920
<v Speaker 2>were his wives. All the men other than himself were

469
00:28:34.960 --> 00:28:38.240
<v Speaker 2>to be celibate, and then he taught the branch Davidians

470
00:28:38.279 --> 00:28:41.640
<v Speaker 2>that he was to father twenty four children. These children

471
00:28:41.720 --> 00:28:44.720
<v Speaker 2>would be raised within the community and would eventually serve

472
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<v Speaker 2>as the twenty four elders spoken of in the Book

473
00:28:47.519 --> 00:28:55.240
<v Speaker 2>of Revelation who would rule during the millennium, which again,

474
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<v Speaker 2>apparently among his spiritual wives was Michelle Jones's sister of Rachel,

475
00:29:02.039 --> 00:29:05.480
<v Speaker 2>who was twelve at the time and obviously below the

476
00:29:05.599 --> 00:29:06.599
<v Speaker 2>legal age of consent.

477
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<v Speaker 7>So that's what what kind of raised a lot of

478
00:29:09.680 --> 00:29:12.200
<v Speaker 7>people's people were very upset.

479
00:29:12.920 --> 00:29:17.559
<v Speaker 2>Clearly, and then another girl who this you know, this

480
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<v Speaker 2>I couldn't, I could not avoid in my research about

481
00:29:23.000 --> 00:29:26.880
<v Speaker 2>Waco was that there had been legitimate allegations that were

482
00:29:26.960 --> 00:29:31.640
<v Speaker 2>made by victims who had survived, right like surviving victims

483
00:29:31.799 --> 00:29:35.799
<v Speaker 2>or victims who had fled before fled the group before

484
00:29:35.880 --> 00:29:39.720
<v Speaker 2>the the you know siege ever took place, and made

485
00:29:39.759 --> 00:29:43.519
<v Speaker 2>allegations about Koresh and the unorthodox lifestyle. You had family

486
00:29:43.599 --> 00:29:46.880
<v Speaker 2>members who were extremely upset about, you know, their families

487
00:29:46.960 --> 00:29:51.640
<v Speaker 2>being destabilized and destroyed by David. And so it wasn't Yeah,

488
00:29:51.720 --> 00:29:55.960
<v Speaker 2>everyone locally the branch Davidians were fine. They weren't causing

489
00:29:56.000 --> 00:29:59.920
<v Speaker 2>any real problems. But again you have to consider that

490
00:30:00.119 --> 00:30:03.000
<v Speaker 2>fact that there there's obviously collateral damage here in terms

491
00:30:03.039 --> 00:30:06.160
<v Speaker 2>of families involved, and and uh and in any of

492
00:30:06.279 --> 00:30:10.039
<v Speaker 2>these unorthodox groups and organizations that exist like that is

493
00:30:10.119 --> 00:30:10.559
<v Speaker 2>the case.

494
00:30:11.000 --> 00:30:13.799
<v Speaker 1>So it's it's what you're saying here is it's kind

495
00:30:13.839 --> 00:30:17.200
<v Speaker 1>of like Jonstound where they exactly where there it was,

496
00:30:17.559 --> 00:30:20.559
<v Speaker 1>there was lots of family members issues, you're you know,

497
00:30:20.759 --> 00:30:23.480
<v Speaker 1>pulling off, you know, kind of pull doing cult stuff,

498
00:30:23.599 --> 00:30:26.200
<v Speaker 1>essentially doing the whole like you know, if you know

499
00:30:26.519 --> 00:30:30.160
<v Speaker 1>these are you know what subversives or whatever or great

500
00:30:30.279 --> 00:30:33.599
<v Speaker 1>people or you know, whatever the different cult or group is,

501
00:30:33.680 --> 00:30:36.279
<v Speaker 1>there's always like these are the non touchables or whatever

502
00:30:36.440 --> 00:30:39.279
<v Speaker 1>the term is, like don't talk to these people. Yeah,

503
00:30:39.319 --> 00:30:42.960
<v Speaker 1>and they do kind of separate, sequester them from the group.

504
00:30:43.640 --> 00:30:45.920
<v Speaker 1>And so that's okay, it sounds like what you're saying. Okay,

505
00:30:45.960 --> 00:30:48.599
<v Speaker 1>So it does. Obviously there's gonna be lots of parallels

506
00:30:48.640 --> 00:30:52.440
<v Speaker 1>about Jones Sound through this problem. But it's I'm talking

507
00:30:52.440 --> 00:30:53.839
<v Speaker 1>about Jonestown was building.

508
00:30:53.720 --> 00:31:00.559
<v Speaker 2>Covert operatives directly comparing the two, like no, seing the

509
00:31:00.680 --> 00:31:04.119
<v Speaker 2>facts of what we have outlined in our massive Jonestown series,

510
00:31:04.599 --> 00:31:08.000
<v Speaker 2>right and being of that very same mind, then going

511
00:31:08.079 --> 00:31:10.799
<v Speaker 2>ahead and detailing the fact that this is a direct

512
00:31:10.920 --> 00:31:15.599
<v Speaker 2>parallel and here are the reasons and blowing the whistle

513
00:31:15.960 --> 00:31:19.039
<v Speaker 2>effectively when they're being targeted and their lives are in

514
00:31:19.079 --> 00:31:22.319
<v Speaker 2>jeopardy and their families are under protective orders by certain

515
00:31:22.400 --> 00:31:25.599
<v Speaker 2>Navy seals that aren't compromised by the apparent covert network

516
00:31:25.640 --> 00:31:29.000
<v Speaker 2>that's playing out in a very criminal enterprise established way.

517
00:31:29.640 --> 00:31:33.200
<v Speaker 2>It's very difficult to conceptualize for the average person who

518
00:31:33.279 --> 00:31:36.279
<v Speaker 2>hasn't been introduced to many of these right investigative threads

519
00:31:36.319 --> 00:31:39.519
<v Speaker 2>of interest that are far more credible than you would

520
00:31:39.519 --> 00:31:42.039
<v Speaker 2>ever imagine, right, And that's what you good.

521
00:31:41.960 --> 00:31:44.599
<v Speaker 1>People out there. We've already, especially in this channel and

522
00:31:44.720 --> 00:31:48.039
<v Speaker 1>an Austin's channel as well, at least on this channel particularly,

523
00:31:48.519 --> 00:31:51.000
<v Speaker 1>there's pretty much anything we've mentioned, there's probably already a

524
00:31:51.039 --> 00:31:52.839
<v Speaker 1>playlist that you can go find and find like a

525
00:31:52.920 --> 00:31:56.160
<v Speaker 1>series on it or something like we've done a Jonestound series.

526
00:31:56.480 --> 00:31:59.200
<v Speaker 1>But I guess to refocus our digging into this, I

527
00:31:59.240 --> 00:32:02.160
<v Speaker 1>think obviously, if you have something else you want to reattack,

528
00:32:02.200 --> 00:32:04.079
<v Speaker 1>you can you can redirect us there. But I figured

529
00:32:04.119 --> 00:32:07.079
<v Speaker 1>we wanted to talk kind of about I kind of

530
00:32:07.160 --> 00:32:09.039
<v Speaker 1>you know, talked about the MK ultra with the wu

531
00:32:09.079 --> 00:32:12.359
<v Speaker 1>Wu side of things. But now I think we're gonna

532
00:32:12.359 --> 00:32:16.119
<v Speaker 1>get into like kind of direct you know, direct, straight

533
00:32:16.200 --> 00:32:20.359
<v Speaker 1>up mk ultra type of overt implications.

534
00:32:20.599 --> 00:32:23.920
<v Speaker 2>So yes, and and keep keep in mind the reason

535
00:32:24.000 --> 00:32:26.400
<v Speaker 2>that I mentioned the terrible allegations from some of the

536
00:32:26.519 --> 00:32:29.640
<v Speaker 2>surviving victims or members that had had left the group.

537
00:32:31.119 --> 00:32:36.839
<v Speaker 2>One of the girls was Kirie Jewel, and she alleged

538
00:32:36.880 --> 00:32:40.000
<v Speaker 2>that Koresh molested her sexually when she was only ten.

539
00:32:40.960 --> 00:32:45.640
<v Speaker 2>And so you had you had, of course, you had

540
00:32:45.720 --> 00:32:48.680
<v Speaker 2>members of the group who most of the women have

541
00:32:48.839 --> 00:32:52.160
<v Speaker 2>been convinced or conditioned to believe that it was an honor,

542
00:32:52.920 --> 00:32:55.759
<v Speaker 2>but to have a child with David, you know, And

543
00:32:55.920 --> 00:33:00.440
<v Speaker 2>and that's a that is real, that that's on. Never

544
00:33:00.519 --> 00:33:04.319
<v Speaker 2>am I attempting to cast a negative light on the victims.

545
00:33:05.079 --> 00:33:07.839
<v Speaker 2>It right in any way, But it's just the reality

546
00:33:07.920 --> 00:33:13.039
<v Speaker 2>of this situation. It's very unorthodox and uncomfortable and unfortunately,

547
00:33:13.400 --> 00:33:15.839
<v Speaker 2>when you're dealing with these cult of personalities like a

548
00:33:15.960 --> 00:33:19.599
<v Speaker 2>David Koresh, it's a reality that you know, we're facing here.

549
00:33:19.640 --> 00:33:24.880
<v Speaker 2>And I remember when I first approached this story, you know,

550
00:33:25.000 --> 00:33:28.160
<v Speaker 2>I wanted to I wanted to run from that thread,

551
00:33:28.920 --> 00:33:31.920
<v Speaker 2>you know, I just like it scared me, you know

552
00:33:31.960 --> 00:33:34.640
<v Speaker 2>what I mean? Like, honestly, it was something that I

553
00:33:34.720 --> 00:33:37.839
<v Speaker 2>didn't find anything that seemed credible enough to pursue at

554
00:33:37.880 --> 00:33:41.599
<v Speaker 2>the time, but still I had like stumbled upon something

555
00:33:41.640 --> 00:33:44.559
<v Speaker 2>where I was like, WHOA in passing, what was that?

556
00:33:45.359 --> 00:33:47.839
<v Speaker 7>And it always gave me pause.

557
00:33:47.920 --> 00:33:51.839
<v Speaker 2>And so then, of course, in hindsight, knowing what I

558
00:33:51.960 --> 00:33:55.400
<v Speaker 2>do now, obviously, as I've mentioned before, I would have

559
00:33:55.839 --> 00:34:00.440
<v Speaker 2>entirely approached Waco in a different way, still in evitably

560
00:34:00.559 --> 00:34:05.000
<v Speaker 2>resulting in a very similar conclusion obviously in my mind

561
00:34:05.079 --> 00:34:08.360
<v Speaker 2>morally and philosophically. But anyway, so I felt like that

562
00:34:08.599 --> 00:34:11.679
<v Speaker 2>was was something that needed to be said, and uh

563
00:34:11.800 --> 00:34:13.840
<v Speaker 2>and beyond that that, that way we kind of like

564
00:34:15.000 --> 00:34:17.639
<v Speaker 2>at least balance out what we're what we're presenting here

565
00:34:17.800 --> 00:34:21.760
<v Speaker 2>as far as the alternative theory. But here's something that

566
00:34:22.480 --> 00:34:25.039
<v Speaker 2>I think would be a fun way to kind of

567
00:34:25.079 --> 00:34:29.880
<v Speaker 2>begin this, because this was something I discovered recently going

568
00:34:29.960 --> 00:34:33.119
<v Speaker 2>back through the Alex Constantine archives.

569
00:34:33.639 --> 00:34:34.239
<v Speaker 7>He has.

570
00:34:35.639 --> 00:34:39.119
<v Speaker 2>A whole thread on the Oklahoma City bombing and a

571
00:34:39.159 --> 00:34:42.519
<v Speaker 2>lot of different things which are are worthwhile in uh

572
00:34:42.719 --> 00:34:46.639
<v Speaker 2>in going through and one is Gladio psyops and false

573
00:34:46.719 --> 00:34:53.760
<v Speaker 2>Flags and a flashback where it presents what is described

574
00:34:53.760 --> 00:34:59.239
<v Speaker 2>as Gladio opportunity means and motive an alternative version of Waco.

575
00:35:00.280 --> 00:35:04.519
<v Speaker 2>And I discovered this very you know, in the past

576
00:35:04.559 --> 00:35:08.079
<v Speaker 2>couple of weeks, like honestly probably a month ago, and uh,

577
00:35:08.159 --> 00:35:11.320
<v Speaker 2>and I read through it. It was actually right for

578
00:35:11.440 --> 00:35:13.800
<v Speaker 2>our Waco episode, is when I found it, and I

579
00:35:13.880 --> 00:35:18.239
<v Speaker 2>had started freaking out, and uh. And so basically this

580
00:35:18.280 --> 00:35:20.639
<v Speaker 2>would be a great way to at least introduce this,

581
00:35:21.000 --> 00:35:26.920
<v Speaker 2>this alternative theory. So the Waco drama was piloted by

582
00:35:27.000 --> 00:35:31.199
<v Speaker 2>the ninety two standoff at Ruby Bridge obviously, which you

583
00:35:31.280 --> 00:35:35.559
<v Speaker 2>know as has served basically served as a prequel of

584
00:35:35.679 --> 00:35:38.960
<v Speaker 2>sorts to the Oklahoma City bombing in many ways.

585
00:35:39.320 --> 00:35:43.119
<v Speaker 7>And that is how it's described by you know, this this.

586
00:35:44.840 --> 00:35:49.800
<v Speaker 2>Very interesting Constantine archived piece, which again serves as a

587
00:35:49.840 --> 00:35:54.119
<v Speaker 2>perfect introduction to this alternative theory. And so it says,

588
00:35:54.199 --> 00:35:56.840
<v Speaker 2>in fact, we have since been fed a steady stream

589
00:35:56.920 --> 00:36:01.280
<v Speaker 2>of lies about how Timothy McVeigh, another intel legend's asset, Patsy,

590
00:36:01.360 --> 00:36:04.079
<v Speaker 2>who was so disturbed about the attacks on Ruby Ridge

591
00:36:04.119 --> 00:36:06.599
<v Speaker 2>and Waco that he had to go and bomb a

592
00:36:06.679 --> 00:36:14.039
<v Speaker 2>federal building just to well, we simply cannot comprehend the

593
00:36:14.079 --> 00:36:19.280
<v Speaker 2>evil souls of terrorists and their innocuous disguises leave us clueless.

594
00:36:19.440 --> 00:36:22.440
<v Speaker 2>And in Oklahoma it was the boy next door, and

595
00:36:22.559 --> 00:36:26.679
<v Speaker 2>in Waco it was the seductive preacher man. And so

596
00:36:26.920 --> 00:36:30.519
<v Speaker 2>it's very interesting how this is presented. But basically the

597
00:36:30.599 --> 00:36:34.960
<v Speaker 2>way it goes, it's Bill and Hillary Clinton. Right, as

598
00:36:35.360 --> 00:36:39.239
<v Speaker 2>former Clinton advisor Dick Morris put it, Bill Clinton personally

599
00:36:39.440 --> 00:36:44.320
<v Speaker 2>orchestrated the ninety three Waco, Texas tragedy. Nevertheless, Janet Reno

600
00:36:44.480 --> 00:36:47.440
<v Speaker 2>was apparently set up as the bad guy, her role

601
00:36:47.679 --> 00:36:52.559
<v Speaker 2>allegedly posing a threat to her reappointment. And so, according

602
00:36:52.599 --> 00:36:56.639
<v Speaker 2>to Dick Morris, Janet Reno made this cryptic remark right,

603
00:36:56.800 --> 00:37:00.639
<v Speaker 2>And this remark says it was regarding the way coincident

604
00:37:00.760 --> 00:37:03.599
<v Speaker 2>in connection with her reappointment for a second four year term,

605
00:37:04.239 --> 00:37:07.159
<v Speaker 2>as she said, if you don't appoint me, I'm going

606
00:37:07.239 --> 00:37:10.880
<v Speaker 2>to tell the truth about Waco. And so that, of course,

607
00:37:12.119 --> 00:37:16.840
<v Speaker 2>you know, made people definitely pause because what did she

608
00:37:17.039 --> 00:37:22.320
<v Speaker 2>mean by the truth about Waco? Obviously, and I found

609
00:37:22.360 --> 00:37:25.599
<v Speaker 2>it interesting the way he described it. He said, the

610
00:37:25.679 --> 00:37:28.400
<v Speaker 2>general public was already as dazed as deer in the

611
00:37:28.480 --> 00:37:31.360
<v Speaker 2>media headlights. What could she tell us that would have

612
00:37:31.519 --> 00:37:36.119
<v Speaker 2>broken the spell? So interestingly, as we mentioned before that

613
00:37:36.320 --> 00:37:38.760
<v Speaker 2>is where the three of the Bill Clinton's bodyguards during

614
00:37:38.800 --> 00:37:41.239
<v Speaker 2>the ninety two election campaign were engaged in the Waco

615
00:37:41.320 --> 00:37:46.280
<v Speaker 2>operation as BATF officers and were three of the four

616
00:37:46.920 --> 00:37:50.360
<v Speaker 2>who were actually killed in the initial raid, right, And

617
00:37:50.519 --> 00:37:54.719
<v Speaker 2>so the BATF investigative report, made public as an affidavit

618
00:37:54.800 --> 00:37:56.320
<v Speaker 2>for the search warrant, was a.

619
00:37:56.400 --> 00:37:58.840
<v Speaker 7>Key part of the official story about Waco.

620
00:38:00.079 --> 00:38:05.079
<v Speaker 2>And so obviously this is where you know, you kind

621
00:38:05.119 --> 00:38:09.679
<v Speaker 2>of have like this Janet Krino presenting the cult of

622
00:38:09.760 --> 00:38:13.039
<v Speaker 2>personality in terms of Jonestown, where she provided the mass

623
00:38:13.079 --> 00:38:15.800
<v Speaker 2>suicide narrative to the public as well, which is something

624
00:38:16.159 --> 00:38:21.159
<v Speaker 2>I also think is very important to recognize. But by

625
00:38:21.199 --> 00:38:25.800
<v Speaker 2>the way, I discovered that Timothy McVeigh I didn't realize this,

626
00:38:26.119 --> 00:38:29.639
<v Speaker 2>but in order to fulfill his military obligation, McVay signed

627
00:38:29.719 --> 00:38:32.840
<v Speaker 2>on obviously with the Army National Guard in Buffalo, he

628
00:38:33.000 --> 00:38:36.360
<v Speaker 2>lands this job as a security guard with Burns International Security.

629
00:38:36.920 --> 00:38:39.519
<v Speaker 2>McVeigh was assigned to the night shift guarding the grounds

630
00:38:39.559 --> 00:38:43.880
<v Speaker 2>of Cowspin Research, Right. Yeah, man a defense contractor that

631
00:38:43.960 --> 00:38:48.239
<v Speaker 2>conducts classified research in advanced aerospace, rock treat and electronic warfare.

632
00:38:49.239 --> 00:38:54.719
<v Speaker 2>And now that drew my attention instantly obviously and apparently

633
00:38:54.840 --> 00:38:58.440
<v Speaker 2>naval research lab attempts to meld neurons and chips. This

634
00:38:58.679 --> 00:39:04.440
<v Speaker 2>is a study that was presented that says, as studies

635
00:39:04.519 --> 00:39:08.079
<v Speaker 2>may produce army of zombies. And this plays into how

636
00:39:08.159 --> 00:39:10.400
<v Speaker 2>all the green berets potentially went through this sort of

637
00:39:10.639 --> 00:39:15.199
<v Speaker 2>strange psychological uh you know, conditioning program, and so it

638
00:39:15.280 --> 00:39:18.039
<v Speaker 2>says future battles could be waged. This is such a

639
00:39:18.159 --> 00:39:23.000
<v Speaker 2>crazy implication, and this is in a mainstream military you know,

640
00:39:24.360 --> 00:39:29.039
<v Speaker 2>publication and says that naval research lab attempts were were

641
00:39:29.119 --> 00:39:32.679
<v Speaker 2>involved here, and so it's described as future battles could

642
00:39:32.679 --> 00:39:36.519
<v Speaker 2>be waged with genetically engineered organisms such as rodents whose

643
00:39:36.599 --> 00:39:40.639
<v Speaker 2>minds are controlled by computer chips engineered with living brain cells.

644
00:39:41.559 --> 00:39:46.599
<v Speaker 2>The research called hippocampal neuron patterning grows live neurons on

645
00:39:46.679 --> 00:39:51.119
<v Speaker 2>computer chips. This technology that alters neurons could potentially be

646
00:39:51.320 --> 00:39:55.400
<v Speaker 2>used on people to create zombie armies. A senior fellow

647
00:39:55.440 --> 00:39:59.559
<v Speaker 2>at the Brookings Institution said, so, of course, the you know,

648
00:39:59.760 --> 00:40:03.800
<v Speaker 2>the uh, the think tanks, which, by the way, I

649
00:40:03.960 --> 00:40:07.440
<v Speaker 2>believe it was the Council on Foreign Relations seem to

650
00:40:07.519 --> 00:40:10.840
<v Speaker 2>have been blamed in having some sort of role in

651
00:40:11.159 --> 00:40:11.960
<v Speaker 2>regard to a lot.

652
00:40:11.880 --> 00:40:15.440
<v Speaker 1>Of this, But so it's did crush of military service.

653
00:40:16.159 --> 00:40:19.800
<v Speaker 1>I don't recall that coming up or being no, no,

654
00:40:20.119 --> 00:40:22.760
<v Speaker 1>he never had military service. Now okay, because I mean

655
00:40:22.800 --> 00:40:25.559
<v Speaker 1>you have McVeigh. Obviously he went Special Forces, you got,

656
00:40:26.079 --> 00:40:29.199
<v Speaker 1>we got Westbrook, we got I mean, we could go

657
00:40:29.360 --> 00:40:32.000
<v Speaker 1>on for a while with all the different weird Oh absolutely,

658
00:40:32.039 --> 00:40:34.840
<v Speaker 1>hey what uh what the really rich guy was? He

659
00:40:34.960 --> 00:40:36.400
<v Speaker 1>was he Green Beret? Well, I can't think of it.

660
00:40:36.719 --> 00:40:38.599
<v Speaker 2>He was former Green Bray and that was that's that

661
00:40:38.719 --> 00:40:42.599
<v Speaker 2>was why Colonel Bogritz was brought up there for the

662
00:40:42.719 --> 00:40:46.519
<v Speaker 2>negotiations because he was a former Green Break commander and

663
00:40:46.719 --> 00:40:50.360
<v Speaker 2>so uh yeah, that that's very interesting. And again he's

664
00:40:50.400 --> 00:40:53.960
<v Speaker 2>the guy who has the crazy jonestown claims and as

665
00:40:54.159 --> 00:40:57.119
<v Speaker 2>as far as the Green Breys being ordered to shoot

666
00:40:57.159 --> 00:41:00.760
<v Speaker 2>on site all all the remaining victims and survivors and

667
00:41:01.079 --> 00:41:03.000
<v Speaker 2>claiming that it was just a clean up crew for

668
00:41:03.360 --> 00:41:06.960
<v Speaker 2>MK Ultra and that they were operating a covert Clindestine

669
00:41:07.079 --> 00:41:10.199
<v Speaker 2>Mkultra black site, and guy, I.

670
00:41:10.280 --> 00:41:13.360
<v Speaker 1>Wonder if any of Koresh's upper coadre were Green Beret.

671
00:41:13.480 --> 00:41:15.599
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, maybe maybe I was, like because I'm

672
00:41:15.599 --> 00:41:17.440
<v Speaker 1>thinking about that I'm like that would make sense, because

673
00:41:17.440 --> 00:41:20.079
<v Speaker 1>that was what makes sense. That was the deal with

674
00:41:20.239 --> 00:41:22.679
<v Speaker 1>Jonestown is they had the Green Berets that were there,

675
00:41:23.119 --> 00:41:25.639
<v Speaker 1>who were the guys running the security and like kind

676
00:41:25.679 --> 00:41:30.119
<v Speaker 1>of seemingly running their own little child slaves, you know,

677
00:41:30.320 --> 00:41:32.239
<v Speaker 1>type of whatever the heck they had to go in.

678
00:41:32.280 --> 00:41:35.360
<v Speaker 2>There, so right, Yeah, and we know for a fact

679
00:41:35.480 --> 00:41:39.320
<v Speaker 2>obviously that you know, Delta Force commandos were were on

680
00:41:39.559 --> 00:41:42.280
<v Speaker 2>site during the final siege, right. And that was another thing,

681
00:41:42.360 --> 00:41:45.800
<v Speaker 2>by the way, I heard that Wesley Clark potentially played

682
00:41:45.840 --> 00:41:51.719
<v Speaker 2>some sort of role originally kind of like you know,

683
00:41:51.920 --> 00:41:55.840
<v Speaker 2>he he was tied potentially to Waco as far as

684
00:41:55.920 --> 00:41:58.559
<v Speaker 2>being involved because of these tanks coming from Fort Hood

685
00:41:58.639 --> 00:42:04.519
<v Speaker 2>and and all these interesting like Colonel Gerald Boykend's being involved, right,

686
00:42:04.719 --> 00:42:08.360
<v Speaker 2>and Peter Schumacher who was also a general who was

687
00:42:08.400 --> 00:42:11.519
<v Speaker 2>the head of Special Forces I think, uh, that's at

688
00:42:11.599 --> 00:42:14.000
<v Speaker 2>Fort Bragg at the time, and so they were all

689
00:42:14.119 --> 00:42:18.119
<v Speaker 2>directly involved. They were there on site on the final

690
00:42:18.239 --> 00:42:22.039
<v Speaker 2>day of the siege, right, And that that alone is

691
00:42:22.440 --> 00:42:25.480
<v Speaker 2>fascinating stuff, you know, especially including the fact that you

692
00:42:25.639 --> 00:42:31.199
<v Speaker 2>have you you obviously have an international intelligence footprint there

693
00:42:31.239 --> 00:42:35.039
<v Speaker 2>as well, where it seems to be an intelligence sharing operation.

694
00:42:34.840 --> 00:42:37.320
<v Speaker 7>Where they have like, yeah, they're they're.

695
00:42:39.559 --> 00:42:43.239
<v Speaker 2>In Masade operatives, and and you have Russian intelligence who

696
00:42:43.239 --> 00:42:45.079
<v Speaker 2>are there and they're all just taking notes in some

697
00:42:45.239 --> 00:42:48.239
<v Speaker 2>sort of way or providing their expertise and and uh

698
00:42:48.440 --> 00:42:53.559
<v Speaker 2>and and and advice and so this is interesting because

699
00:42:53.679 --> 00:42:56.320
<v Speaker 2>uh that it goes to show obviously the use of

700
00:42:56.360 --> 00:42:59.440
<v Speaker 2>military at Waco. If no one is aware of the

701
00:42:59.519 --> 00:43:04.559
<v Speaker 2>fact of Danforth report in context. Right, there's an abstract

702
00:43:04.599 --> 00:43:08.880
<v Speaker 2>that describes that in nineteen ninety nine, former Senator John

703
00:43:08.960 --> 00:43:12.840
<v Speaker 2>Danforth is appointed by Attorney General Janet Reno a special

704
00:43:12.920 --> 00:43:17.760
<v Speaker 2>counsel to investigate alleged illegal or improper behavior by government

705
00:43:17.800 --> 00:43:22.079
<v Speaker 2>agencies before enduring the Waco critical incident in ninety three.

706
00:43:22.760 --> 00:43:27.719
<v Speaker 2>His final report to the Deputy Attorney General exculpated the

707
00:43:27.840 --> 00:43:31.320
<v Speaker 2>Bureau of Alcoholic Tobacco On Firearms, the FBI, and the

708
00:43:31.440 --> 00:43:35.119
<v Speaker 2>Armed Forces regarding possible violations of Posse commatatis law and

709
00:43:35.199 --> 00:43:41.480
<v Speaker 2>related statutes. Now, after further examination of the Danforth report,

710
00:43:41.599 --> 00:43:48.199
<v Speaker 2>obviously in context, it's basically damp Forth called for government

711
00:43:48.320 --> 00:43:52.239
<v Speaker 2>openness and candor regarding Waco, but delivered an unequivocal defensive

712
00:43:52.320 --> 00:43:56.039
<v Speaker 2>government forces instead. Right, so that's something that's important to understand.

713
00:43:56.719 --> 00:44:02.000
<v Speaker 2>And so I think that the place to start to

714
00:44:02.079 --> 00:44:05.519
<v Speaker 2>iron out a little bit more of these mind control

715
00:44:05.599 --> 00:44:11.039
<v Speaker 2>claims would be honestly Jolly West and his potential connections

716
00:44:11.079 --> 00:44:16.280
<v Speaker 2>here because apparently, yeah, short so I was unaware of

717
00:44:16.320 --> 00:44:20.039
<v Speaker 2>the fact that you have from the archives right the

718
00:44:20.199 --> 00:44:25.159
<v Speaker 2>UCLA archives of Jolly West, there's a potential connection to

719
00:44:25.280 --> 00:44:29.119
<v Speaker 2>Waco because there was a Waco file and shortly after

720
00:44:29.239 --> 00:44:33.000
<v Speaker 2>he had entered University of Wisconsin. Now again, his connection

721
00:44:34.000 --> 00:44:37.880
<v Speaker 2>this is all just alleged for Jolly So it's just

722
00:44:38.000 --> 00:44:41.639
<v Speaker 2>it's difficult to tie him directly other than this file

723
00:44:41.760 --> 00:44:42.320
<v Speaker 2>that no one.

724
00:44:42.280 --> 00:44:43.960
<v Speaker 1>Is allowed to really apparently see.

725
00:44:45.119 --> 00:44:47.719
<v Speaker 2>And we just know he had a file on the

726
00:44:47.760 --> 00:44:51.920
<v Speaker 2>branch Davidians and it's always been alleged that one of

727
00:44:51.960 --> 00:44:55.280
<v Speaker 2>the persons he treated was later David Koresh at some point.

728
00:44:55.760 --> 00:44:58.800
<v Speaker 2>And so shortly after he had entered University of Wisconsin,

729
00:44:58.920 --> 00:45:02.360
<v Speaker 2>he enlisted in the US Army in the Army Specialized

730
00:45:02.360 --> 00:45:05.920
<v Speaker 2>Training Program. He studied the University of Iowa University of

731
00:45:05.960 --> 00:45:09.000
<v Speaker 2>Minnesota School of Medicine, from which he graduated in forty eight.

732
00:45:09.920 --> 00:45:14.199
<v Speaker 2>During his internship at the Payne Whitney Psychiatric Clinic, he

733
00:45:14.320 --> 00:45:18.320
<v Speaker 2>became familiar with scientology, a cult he soon considered dangerous,

734
00:45:18.440 --> 00:45:22.559
<v Speaker 2>right when he has those run ins when yeah, I

735
00:45:22.599 --> 00:45:24.880
<v Speaker 2>don't know. That seems a little strange to me. But

736
00:45:25.039 --> 00:45:28.000
<v Speaker 2>transferred to the US Air Force Medical Corps, and five

737
00:45:28.079 --> 00:45:31.840
<v Speaker 2>years later he's appointed Chief of Psychiatry Service at the

738
00:45:31.960 --> 00:45:36.079
<v Speaker 2>Lachlan Air Force Base in San Antonio, Texas. So in

739
00:45:36.159 --> 00:45:40.639
<v Speaker 2>this position he studies US pilots and veterans after they

740
00:45:40.679 --> 00:45:45.079
<v Speaker 2>had experienced torture and brainwashing, obviously, and then it becomes

741
00:45:45.159 --> 00:45:47.639
<v Speaker 2>chairman of the Department of Psychiatry at the University of

742
00:45:47.760 --> 00:45:53.400
<v Speaker 2>California in La So Ucla, and obviously he becomes director

743
00:45:53.559 --> 00:45:57.440
<v Speaker 2>of its Neuropsychiatric Institute. Now this is where he's alleged

744
00:45:57.519 --> 00:46:02.039
<v Speaker 2>to have treated Charles Manson, Sirhan and later David Koresh.

745
00:46:02.679 --> 00:46:07.440
<v Speaker 2>And so that to me, knowing already his his direct

746
00:46:07.480 --> 00:46:12.159
<v Speaker 2>affiliation with Tim McVay, I'm not at all shocked that

747
00:46:12.320 --> 00:46:14.760
<v Speaker 2>that that would be a possibility. And then you consider

748
00:46:14.920 --> 00:46:20.239
<v Speaker 2>this from the archives Children of God cult, these files

749
00:46:20.360 --> 00:46:25.119
<v Speaker 2>from from doctor Lewis Jolly and West's collection, says MK

750
00:46:25.239 --> 00:46:29.039
<v Speaker 2>ultra researcher doctor Lewis Jolly and West spent years heading

751
00:46:29.159 --> 00:46:33.480
<v Speaker 2>organizations related to cults like the Cult Awareness Network and

752
00:46:33.679 --> 00:46:37.039
<v Speaker 2>Center for the Study of New Religions. After the Waco

753
00:46:37.159 --> 00:46:41.039
<v Speaker 2>incident involving the Branch Davidians and David Koresh, the notorious

754
00:46:41.159 --> 00:46:46.000
<v Speaker 2>child abuse cult that doctor Ruth Wangren Wanderin has suggested

755
00:46:46.199 --> 00:46:49.519
<v Speaker 2>may have ties to the CIA, broke their years of

756
00:46:49.599 --> 00:46:54.199
<v Speaker 2>media silence and reached out to, among others, UCLA, doctor

757
00:46:54.280 --> 00:46:59.159
<v Speaker 2>West Right, so, uh, the professor at the Neuropsychiatric Institute.

758
00:46:59.199 --> 00:47:04.440
<v Speaker 2>So in my mind, you're just witnessing a further connection

759
00:47:04.840 --> 00:47:08.760
<v Speaker 2>that he potentially played here with in regard to UH.

760
00:47:09.039 --> 00:47:13.480
<v Speaker 2>If there was actually Right a connection to Jolly West

761
00:47:13.880 --> 00:47:16.920
<v Speaker 2>and the Branch Davidians, you know, and the allegations that

762
00:47:16.960 --> 00:47:20.440
<v Speaker 2>I've always seen that he treated David Koresh, then we

763
00:47:20.559 --> 00:47:23.840
<v Speaker 2>have a little bit more of a tangible thread that

764
00:47:23.920 --> 00:47:27.039
<v Speaker 2>we can pull on there and hopefully I can discover

765
00:47:27.199 --> 00:47:30.440
<v Speaker 2>something more more credible at a later at a later point.

766
00:47:30.480 --> 00:47:35.320
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, So beyond that, man, I think the best

767
00:47:35.400 --> 00:47:38.880
<v Speaker 2>place for us is is the Wilcher Report, because that's

768
00:47:38.960 --> 00:47:43.000
<v Speaker 2>really the main crux of what I wanted to talk about.

769
00:47:43.480 --> 00:47:46.079
<v Speaker 2>It's basically the core issue because to me, it draws

770
00:47:46.159 --> 00:47:49.840
<v Speaker 2>in all the usual suspects. You have Paul Wilcher, right,

771
00:47:49.920 --> 00:47:52.679
<v Speaker 2>who who will get into his He's this attorney who

772
00:47:53.159 --> 00:47:58.039
<v Speaker 2>represents these two whistleblowers, and who are CIA covert operatives,

773
00:47:58.559 --> 00:48:02.920
<v Speaker 2>and and this all ties in this individual named Gunther

774
00:48:03.239 --> 00:48:09.800
<v Speaker 2>Ross Russbacher, uh the CIA operative which which discusses being

775
00:48:09.920 --> 00:48:13.800
<v Speaker 2>George Bush's pilot in the infamous October Surprise scandal and

776
00:48:14.039 --> 00:48:17.960
<v Speaker 2>and talks about Danny Castlero's octopus and BCCI being involved,

777
00:48:18.000 --> 00:48:21.119
<v Speaker 2>so the Brank Bank of International Bank of Credit and

778
00:48:21.119 --> 00:48:28.000
<v Speaker 2>Commerce obviously, So this all begins with Paul Wilcher writing

779
00:48:28.079 --> 00:48:28.760
<v Speaker 2>these letters.

780
00:48:29.239 --> 00:48:31.960
<v Speaker 7>Well, honestly, it's it's such a profound story.

781
00:48:32.039 --> 00:48:35.360
<v Speaker 2>I'm discovering now that that this is like, brother, this

782
00:48:35.559 --> 00:48:37.920
<v Speaker 2>is deep as hell, honestly when it gets down to it,

783
00:48:38.760 --> 00:48:45.280
<v Speaker 2>and you could you could legitimately read multiple books on

784
00:48:45.440 --> 00:48:50.280
<v Speaker 2>this this specific subject alone. But uh so, as I

785
00:48:50.440 --> 00:48:53.440
<v Speaker 2>mentioned to you, and I honestly I mentioned this too

786
00:48:55.239 --> 00:48:57.079
<v Speaker 2>to the guys on Indies the other day as well.

787
00:48:58.599 --> 00:49:02.320
<v Speaker 2>So Paul Wilch sure right claims that in the Wilt

788
00:49:02.480 --> 00:49:06.119
<v Speaker 2>report that he sends to Janet Reno. First of all,

789
00:49:06.559 --> 00:49:11.000
<v Speaker 2>keep in mind, Paul Wilcher, lawyer to the whistleblowers Rodney

790
00:49:11.079 --> 00:49:17.119
<v Speaker 2>Stitch and gunter Carl Russbacher. He Wilcher dies in these strange,

791
00:49:17.199 --> 00:49:21.880
<v Speaker 2>disputed circumstances a month three weeks after writing this letter

792
00:49:21.960 --> 00:49:25.400
<v Speaker 2>to then new US Attorney General Janet Reno, alleging that

793
00:49:25.559 --> 00:49:28.440
<v Speaker 2>the CIA was killing people to cover up mind control

794
00:49:28.519 --> 00:49:32.199
<v Speaker 2>experiments and that the Waco incident was one of these events,

795
00:49:32.840 --> 00:49:37.039
<v Speaker 2>which he directly parallels to that of Jonestown, which of

796
00:49:37.119 --> 00:49:42.800
<v Speaker 2>course collaborates and and and corroborates and at least provides

797
00:49:43.599 --> 00:49:46.840
<v Speaker 2>some sort of credibility to that of the theory that

798
00:49:47.599 --> 00:49:52.000
<v Speaker 2>bo Gritz was mentioning in regard to Jonestown. Right, they

799
00:49:52.079 --> 00:49:56.960
<v Speaker 2>took all these leftover loose ends from the CIA Montreal

800
00:49:57.079 --> 00:50:01.159
<v Speaker 2>experiments for mk ultra in in Anada and just took

801
00:50:01.199 --> 00:50:05.119
<v Speaker 2>them down to Guyana and added them to the body count, right,

802
00:50:05.159 --> 00:50:06.800
<v Speaker 2>And it was it was a very convenient way to

803
00:50:06.840 --> 00:50:11.079
<v Speaker 2>tie off lou sins. And so it gets very interesting

804
00:50:11.159 --> 00:50:17.519
<v Speaker 2>because he had apparently obviously if you're if you're the

805
00:50:17.960 --> 00:50:21.719
<v Speaker 2>death of Paul Wilcher, Uh, we'll have to get into that, because.

806
00:50:21.480 --> 00:50:22.440
<v Speaker 1>It's very strange.

807
00:50:22.480 --> 00:50:26.239
<v Speaker 2>He obviously was moved, right, He had been dead for

808
00:50:26.519 --> 00:50:30.199
<v Speaker 2>for weeks and was obviously killed elsewhere. Riga mortis had

809
00:50:30.280 --> 00:50:31.119
<v Speaker 2>definitely set in.

810
00:50:31.920 --> 00:50:32.039
<v Speaker 4>Uh.

811
00:50:32.159 --> 00:50:35.360
<v Speaker 2>He was brought back to his apartment after and and

812
00:50:35.800 --> 00:50:39.280
<v Speaker 2>the CIA operative gun through Rusbacher actually put it into

813
00:50:39.280 --> 00:50:43.039
<v Speaker 2>descriptive terms. He says he he knows exactly how uh

814
00:50:44.119 --> 00:50:47.280
<v Speaker 2>Paul Wilcher was murdered, and and he knows the make

815
00:50:47.320 --> 00:50:49.199
<v Speaker 2>and model of the vehicle that he was put in

816
00:50:49.239 --> 00:50:51.719
<v Speaker 2>the in the trunk of after he was drugged, after

817
00:50:51.840 --> 00:50:55.480
<v Speaker 2>being beaten in his interrogation in regard it to to

818
00:50:55.719 --> 00:50:59.920
<v Speaker 2>all these various profits that were being this uh laundered

819
00:51:00.039 --> 00:51:02.559
<v Speaker 2>through the BCCI right at the time, right which can

820
00:51:02.719 --> 00:51:06.800
<v Speaker 2>consider that with Iran Contra and and everything else playing out,

821
00:51:06.880 --> 00:51:10.480
<v Speaker 2>Danny Castillaro has just been murdered, and Paul Wilcher saying

822
00:51:10.599 --> 00:51:14.320
<v Speaker 2>I know more than he did, right, and he legitimately

823
00:51:14.400 --> 00:51:17.079
<v Speaker 2>says this, He said, I know more than Danny Cassi

824
00:51:17.119 --> 00:51:20.639
<v Speaker 2>Larrel knew about this octopus and and he said, my

825
00:51:20.719 --> 00:51:24.480
<v Speaker 2>life is in danger. And the same about Russbaker. This

826
00:51:24.599 --> 00:51:27.719
<v Speaker 2>gun through Russbaker, he's a CIA black you know, clandestine

827
00:51:27.760 --> 00:51:32.239
<v Speaker 2>operative working under cover and U and as he realizes

828
00:51:32.360 --> 00:51:37.079
<v Speaker 2>that members of his covert operational group were being targeted

829
00:51:38.119 --> 00:51:42.239
<v Speaker 2>for assassination, right because things were being leaked about the

830
00:51:42.280 --> 00:51:45.920
<v Speaker 2>October surprise that was happening, which he apparently piloted the

831
00:51:46.039 --> 00:51:49.519
<v Speaker 2>flight and gives the list of individuals. Once a helicopter

832
00:51:49.639 --> 00:51:50.719
<v Speaker 2>crash happens.

833
00:51:50.400 --> 00:51:52.880
<v Speaker 8>And he goes, holy shit, I was supposed to be killed,

834
00:51:53.480 --> 00:51:56.280
<v Speaker 8>and he he and he talks about how okay, well

835
00:51:56.800 --> 00:51:59.920
<v Speaker 8>now I'm gonna blow the whistle, and he inevitably gets

836
00:52:00.039 --> 00:52:03.000
<v Speaker 8>brought up on charges, right and as being a part

837
00:52:03.039 --> 00:52:04.440
<v Speaker 8>of this this FBI sting.

838
00:52:04.559 --> 00:52:08.039
<v Speaker 2>It's so crazy man, and uh and so again, this

839
00:52:08.239 --> 00:52:13.159
<v Speaker 2>is something that like I've I h when you called

840
00:52:13.199 --> 00:52:16.920
<v Speaker 2>me earlier, I was pretty much trying to I was

841
00:52:16.960 --> 00:52:19.239
<v Speaker 2>alluding to the fact that I've discovered something that I

842
00:52:19.320 --> 00:52:23.639
<v Speaker 2>think is far more credible, providing an alternative theory that

843
00:52:23.760 --> 00:52:27.079
<v Speaker 2>I think is plausible as hell and would fill in

844
00:52:27.199 --> 00:52:29.079
<v Speaker 2>a lot of this this that the holes in the

845
00:52:29.159 --> 00:52:33.480
<v Speaker 2>narrative in my mind, But to lay out the bare

846
00:52:33.559 --> 00:52:37.920
<v Speaker 2>bones of it, right, it's it's interesting. And I got

847
00:52:37.960 --> 00:52:42.639
<v Speaker 2>a hold of actually the original expose and the the

848
00:52:43.239 --> 00:52:49.480
<v Speaker 2>apparent apparent three part a Wilter report that was sent

849
00:52:49.599 --> 00:52:52.400
<v Speaker 2>to Attorney General Janet Reno, which is very interesting.

850
00:52:53.239 --> 00:52:57.079
<v Speaker 7>But by the way, I found this so crazy.

851
00:52:57.679 --> 00:53:02.039
<v Speaker 2>Did you know that doctor Lewis Jolly and West was

852
00:53:04.039 --> 00:53:07.880
<v Speaker 2>that he was actually in nineteen eighty nine that very

853
00:53:08.039 --> 00:53:11.800
<v Speaker 2>cult Awareness Network that I think has direct connections tying

854
00:53:11.880 --> 00:53:16.159
<v Speaker 2>into Waco and the LMI right where a allegedly based

855
00:53:16.199 --> 00:53:19.599
<v Speaker 2>on the Wilsha report, the LMIs the institution where they

856
00:53:20.039 --> 00:53:23.840
<v Speaker 2>were potentially prior programmed, as far as the the six

857
00:53:24.000 --> 00:53:27.639
<v Speaker 2>individuals within Koresh's inner circle and things of that nature.

858
00:53:28.840 --> 00:53:32.199
<v Speaker 2>So in eighty nine, the Cult Awareness Network awarded West

859
00:53:32.559 --> 00:53:33.519
<v Speaker 2>its highest.

860
00:53:33.199 --> 00:53:35.079
<v Speaker 7>Honor, the Leo J.

861
00:53:35.400 --> 00:53:36.519
<v Speaker 1>Ryan Award.

862
00:53:37.719 --> 00:53:41.840
<v Speaker 2>For Extraordinary courage, tenacity, and perseverance in the battle against

863
00:53:41.880 --> 00:53:43.519
<v Speaker 2>tyranny over the mind of man.

864
00:53:44.239 --> 00:53:45.159
<v Speaker 1>The Leo Ryan.

865
00:53:45.280 --> 00:53:48.320
<v Speaker 2>Wow, what a fucking slaug about as salt in the wound? Right,

866
00:53:49.599 --> 00:53:54.880
<v Speaker 2>I think a salted They fucking hated him, Like that's

867
00:53:54.960 --> 00:53:57.880
<v Speaker 2>the most obvious thing in my mind, I mean, honestly.

868
00:53:58.440 --> 00:54:04.360
<v Speaker 2>But when you talk about wake weirdness, Walter Bauert from

869
00:54:04.440 --> 00:54:09.320
<v Speaker 2>that very operation Mind Control that Tim Tuttle had sent over, right.

870
00:54:10.559 --> 00:54:13.840
<v Speaker 7>There's a chapter. It's chapter thirty three.

871
00:54:14.000 --> 00:54:17.320
<v Speaker 2>By the way, I find that very interesting, But who knows,

872
00:54:18.199 --> 00:54:23.559
<v Speaker 2>could just be chapter thirty three. So it says the

873
00:54:23.679 --> 00:54:30.000
<v Speaker 2>fire at Waco from Operation Mind Controls Research Edition. So

874
00:54:30.199 --> 00:54:34.039
<v Speaker 2>this is crazy. Perhaps not, since the Reichstag Fire and

875
00:54:34.159 --> 00:54:37.880
<v Speaker 2>Nazi Germany have flames leaped so visibly into the pages

876
00:54:37.880 --> 00:54:41.400
<v Speaker 2>of history. The flames in both Waco and the Reichstag

877
00:54:41.519 --> 00:54:45.679
<v Speaker 2>fires were fueled by mind control. At least that's the

878
00:54:45.840 --> 00:54:49.519
<v Speaker 2>impression you get when you read Attorney Paul D. Wilcher's

879
00:54:49.599 --> 00:54:53.360
<v Speaker 2>letter to Attorney General Janet Reno, dated May twenty one,

880
00:54:53.559 --> 00:54:57.960
<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety three. The letter begins with no salutation the

881
00:54:58.039 --> 00:55:02.719
<v Speaker 2>phone numbers of Miss Reno, Justice Department Communications Director Carl

882
00:55:02.800 --> 00:55:08.920
<v Speaker 2>stem Appointments Secretary Melissa Muller, Assistant Attorney General Richard Scruggs,

883
00:55:09.000 --> 00:55:14.559
<v Speaker 2>and James cremarcik Special Ops CIA. With a typical loyally

884
00:55:14.760 --> 00:55:19.519
<v Speaker 2>lack of style. The letter begins vital new information concerning

885
00:55:19.599 --> 00:55:24.719
<v Speaker 2>the conflagration at David Koresh's Branch Davidian Compound quote Ranch

886
00:55:24.800 --> 00:55:29.280
<v Speaker 2>Apocalypse outside Waco, Texas on Monday, April nineteenth, nineteen ninety three,

887
00:55:29.800 --> 00:55:32.320
<v Speaker 2>which is now being kept from you and covered up.

888
00:55:32.960 --> 00:55:33.280
<v Speaker 1>I e.

889
00:55:34.440 --> 00:55:37.679
<v Speaker 2>That what happened was not a mass suicide, but rather

890
00:55:38.039 --> 00:55:42.239
<v Speaker 2>a mass murder, the meaning and significance of this new information,

891
00:55:42.519 --> 00:55:46.679
<v Speaker 2>particularly with respect to the Justice Department's ongoing Waco investigation

892
00:55:47.199 --> 00:55:51.800
<v Speaker 2>and future indictments and prosecutions, i e. You are headed

893
00:55:51.840 --> 00:55:56.920
<v Speaker 2>totally in the wrong direction because Bush administration holdovers in

894
00:55:56.960 --> 00:56:00.400
<v Speaker 2>the Justice Department, along with others tied to the CIA,

895
00:56:00.599 --> 00:56:03.679
<v Speaker 2>are preventing you from ever learning the truth about what

896
00:56:03.880 --> 00:56:08.239
<v Speaker 2>actually happened in Waco. The extreme sensitivity of this information

897
00:56:08.440 --> 00:56:11.199
<v Speaker 2>and my specific proposal as to how you should handle it,

898
00:56:11.719 --> 00:56:15.440
<v Speaker 2>The lives of key participants, other witnesses, and even myself

899
00:56:15.480 --> 00:56:17.800
<v Speaker 2>are now in grave danger as a result of my

900
00:56:17.960 --> 00:56:21.239
<v Speaker 2>passing this information onto you. If you let this information

901
00:56:21.480 --> 00:56:24.480
<v Speaker 2>fall into the hands of the wrong persons, some or

902
00:56:24.599 --> 00:56:27.840
<v Speaker 2>all of those who know the truth about Waco and

903
00:56:27.960 --> 00:56:31.360
<v Speaker 2>are now prepared to come forward and testify could well

904
00:56:31.440 --> 00:56:37.599
<v Speaker 2>be silenced ie murdered in the very near future. In

905
00:56:37.679 --> 00:56:40.639
<v Speaker 2>the extreme importance of this information to the overall quality

906
00:56:40.679 --> 00:56:43.760
<v Speaker 2>of justice under the Clinton administration, to your own place

907
00:56:44.159 --> 00:56:47.639
<v Speaker 2>in history as Attorney General, and to President Clinton's very

908
00:56:47.719 --> 00:56:51.079
<v Speaker 2>life and personal safety, this information, if handled in the

909
00:56:51.119 --> 00:56:53.960
<v Speaker 2>manner I've spelled out in detail below, presents you and

910
00:56:54.039 --> 00:56:57.920
<v Speaker 2>President Clinton with a once in a lifetime opportunity to expose, confront,

911
00:56:57.960 --> 00:57:00.880
<v Speaker 2>and hopefully root out much of the system wide corruption

912
00:57:01.559 --> 00:57:03.639
<v Speaker 2>which has been at the core of the federal government

913
00:57:03.719 --> 00:57:08.519
<v Speaker 2>for at least the past thirty years. Now, he says,

914
00:57:09.079 --> 00:57:12.239
<v Speaker 2>the purpose of this letter is for me to deliver

915
00:57:12.360 --> 00:57:15.320
<v Speaker 2>to you extremely sensitive information about the deaths of the

916
00:57:15.400 --> 00:57:18.119
<v Speaker 2>eighty six men and women and children who perished the

917
00:57:18.159 --> 00:57:21.599
<v Speaker 2>Branch Davidian compound on Monday, April nineteenth, nineteen ninety three,

918
00:57:22.199 --> 00:57:25.159
<v Speaker 2>and the truth about how it all happened. But even

919
00:57:25.239 --> 00:57:29.719
<v Speaker 2>more important, my purpose here is to demonstrate how the

920
00:57:29.800 --> 00:57:34.000
<v Speaker 2>Waco tragedy fits into a much bigger and far uglier picture,

921
00:57:34.639 --> 00:57:37.679
<v Speaker 2>and to present my specific, detailed plan as to how

922
00:57:37.760 --> 00:57:42.360
<v Speaker 2>you should attack the overall problem at its root causes. Now,

923
00:57:42.440 --> 00:57:46.559
<v Speaker 2>it's interesting because the subject of mind control is introduced

924
00:57:47.039 --> 00:57:50.320
<v Speaker 2>on page four, when Wiltshire writes.

925
00:57:51.800 --> 00:57:52.880
<v Speaker 7>David Koresh had.

926
00:57:52.760 --> 00:57:57.239
<v Speaker 2>An extensive CIA background. He was known in CIA circles

927
00:57:57.320 --> 00:58:00.960
<v Speaker 2>as a sleeper, someone who had been subject to extensive

928
00:58:01.039 --> 00:58:05.840
<v Speaker 2>CIA mind control training and programming. Wilter said that it

929
00:58:05.960 --> 00:58:08.920
<v Speaker 2>was not a coincidence that all these events were occurring

930
00:58:09.039 --> 00:58:12.519
<v Speaker 2>in or near Waco, Texas, since Waco is a major

931
00:58:12.599 --> 00:58:16.599
<v Speaker 2>center for such CIA mind control experimentation and programming, with

932
00:58:16.800 --> 00:58:20.159
<v Speaker 2>much of this activity occurring at the CIA's Leadership Management

933
00:58:20.280 --> 00:58:26.280
<v Speaker 2>Institute in Waco, the LMI. Wilter pointed out that similar

934
00:58:26.360 --> 00:58:31.039
<v Speaker 2>CIA sponsored cults are located across the country, including such

935
00:58:31.119 --> 00:58:38.159
<v Speaker 2>places as Salt Lake City, Utah, Provo, Utah Provo, Utah, Logan, Utah, Boise, Idaho,

936
00:58:38.280 --> 00:58:41.480
<v Speaker 2>and San Francisco, California. And that which, by the way,

937
00:58:41.599 --> 00:58:45.119
<v Speaker 2>is very overwhelmingly represented by modern day process groups right

938
00:58:45.519 --> 00:58:50.239
<v Speaker 2>the best Friends, all the strange weird Mormon connections to

939
00:58:50.400 --> 00:58:55.239
<v Speaker 2>Utah Right, which which obviously at one point played into

940
00:58:55.480 --> 00:58:59.079
<v Speaker 2>even Watergate, which I felt was hilarious.

941
00:58:59.679 --> 00:59:04.840
<v Speaker 7>But yeah, so it becomes.

942
00:59:05.960 --> 00:59:12.360
<v Speaker 2>Very interesting because obviously it begins to describe that one

943
00:59:12.480 --> 00:59:15.440
<v Speaker 2>or all of these other cults can likewise explode onto

944
00:59:15.440 --> 00:59:17.400
<v Speaker 2>the front pages of the press at any time the

945
00:59:17.480 --> 00:59:22.320
<v Speaker 2>ciadeems appropriate in order to accomplish its predetermined hidden right

946
00:59:22.400 --> 00:59:26.840
<v Speaker 2>wing political agenda. Now this is, according to Wilcher, obviously

947
00:59:27.880 --> 00:59:31.679
<v Speaker 2>so Wilcher indicated to Reno that he knew who had

948
00:59:31.719 --> 00:59:34.559
<v Speaker 2>committed the murders, who had ordered them, and who had

949
00:59:34.599 --> 00:59:37.599
<v Speaker 2>been part of the chain of command. He then lapsed

950
00:59:37.679 --> 00:59:42.519
<v Speaker 2>into more of kind of reciting the disciplinary rules and

951
00:59:42.599 --> 00:59:47.119
<v Speaker 2>codes of professional responsibility from the American Bar Foundation. But

952
00:59:48.280 --> 00:59:52.480
<v Speaker 2>this is where it becomes very interesting. Thoroughly covering the

953
00:59:52.559 --> 00:59:55.320
<v Speaker 2>details of the lies told by government employees at Waco,

954
00:59:55.480 --> 00:59:58.360
<v Speaker 2>Wilcher wrapped up the motivational part of his argument and

955
00:59:58.480 --> 01:00:01.199
<v Speaker 2>launched into a background brief on events leading to the

956
01:00:01.280 --> 01:00:03.920
<v Speaker 2>February twenty eighth raid on the Davidian compound.

957
01:00:04.920 --> 01:00:05.320
<v Speaker 7>To begin.

958
01:00:06.000 --> 01:00:09.400
<v Speaker 2>Vernon Wayne Hall, also known as David Koresh, had connections

959
01:00:09.440 --> 01:00:12.599
<v Speaker 2>to the CIA. Indeed, he and six of the men

960
01:00:12.760 --> 01:00:15.760
<v Speaker 2>in his inner circle were known among CIA covert operatives

961
01:00:15.840 --> 01:00:20.079
<v Speaker 2>as sleepers, persons whom the agency had performed mind control

962
01:00:20.119 --> 01:00:22.920
<v Speaker 2>experiments on and who had been pre programmed to carry

963
01:00:22.960 --> 01:00:27.199
<v Speaker 2>out specific pieces of CIA dirty business is the way

964
01:00:27.239 --> 01:00:31.000
<v Speaker 2>he puts it in quotes, at some point in the

965
01:00:31.119 --> 01:00:34.360
<v Speaker 2>future once a specific queue or signal was given to

966
01:00:34.440 --> 01:00:38.599
<v Speaker 2>them by their contact persons or handlers within the agency. Third,

967
01:00:39.320 --> 01:00:42.639
<v Speaker 2>David Koresh was very much like Reverend Jim Jones in

968
01:00:42.760 --> 01:00:46.400
<v Speaker 2>that he too was a quote gangster who used a

969
01:00:46.480 --> 01:00:50.360
<v Speaker 2>Bible instead of a gun. In a note, Wilcha remarked,

970
01:00:50.599 --> 01:00:53.960
<v Speaker 2>Jonestown was not a mass suicide any more than Waco

971
01:00:54.239 --> 01:00:59.480
<v Speaker 2>was instead Jonestown. Like Waco, was a mass murder in

972
01:00:59.639 --> 01:01:02.559
<v Speaker 2>order to guarantee that there would be no survivors to

973
01:01:02.639 --> 01:01:06.440
<v Speaker 2>tell about the CIA's extensive mind control experiments which had

974
01:01:06.480 --> 01:01:11.480
<v Speaker 2>been performed on those mostly black victims in Guyana. Fourth,

975
01:01:12.280 --> 01:01:16.920
<v Speaker 2>David Koresh was also very much like Charles Manson in

976
01:01:17.079 --> 01:01:20.199
<v Speaker 2>that he, Jones and Manson all demanded and received total

977
01:01:20.280 --> 01:01:23.519
<v Speaker 2>domination over and total submission from all of the men, women,

978
01:01:23.599 --> 01:01:26.239
<v Speaker 2>and children in his group, And like the Reverend Jim

979
01:01:26.360 --> 01:01:30.119
<v Speaker 2>Jones and Charles Manson, and David Koresh likewise had received

980
01:01:30.199 --> 01:01:32.239
<v Speaker 2>much of his mind control training at the hands of

981
01:01:32.280 --> 01:01:35.599
<v Speaker 2>the CIA and was a product of their system. In

982
01:01:35.760 --> 01:01:39.000
<v Speaker 2>other words, David Koresh may have been what most people

983
01:01:39.039 --> 01:01:43.880
<v Speaker 2>would consider a thoroughly and mentally disturbed megalomaniac, but he

984
01:01:44.079 --> 01:01:47.880
<v Speaker 2>was the CIA's megalomaniac, or at least someone they were

985
01:01:47.920 --> 01:01:50.320
<v Speaker 2>all too happy to use for their devious right wing

986
01:01:50.440 --> 01:01:55.000
<v Speaker 2>purposes if and when the opportunity ever presented itself. Indeed,

987
01:01:56.199 --> 01:01:58.519
<v Speaker 2>David Koresh and these six other men in his inner

988
01:01:58.599 --> 01:02:02.119
<v Speaker 2>circle had apparently been pre programmed by the CIA to

989
01:02:02.239 --> 01:02:09.000
<v Speaker 2>become on cue Manchurian candidate assassins apparently who would effectively

990
01:02:10.599 --> 01:02:15.599
<v Speaker 2>essentially develop a weapon of some kind that he viewed

991
01:02:16.199 --> 01:02:20.599
<v Speaker 2>would would this. This is what he also explained to

992
01:02:20.840 --> 01:02:23.800
<v Speaker 2>because if you go through a lot of this, it's

993
01:02:23.960 --> 01:02:27.639
<v Speaker 2>very strange the CIA had. Obviously, you know, one of

994
01:02:27.679 --> 01:02:31.320
<v Speaker 2>the most important features of the mind control programming is

995
01:02:31.440 --> 01:02:34.800
<v Speaker 2>the fact that you have critical segments of the subject's memory,

996
01:02:35.320 --> 01:02:39.519
<v Speaker 2>including most or all of the programming experience itself. It

997
01:02:39.639 --> 01:02:43.559
<v Speaker 2>basically self destructs, right, It's a it's a racete from

998
01:02:43.599 --> 01:02:48.440
<v Speaker 2>the subject's mind and at a basically it's a memory

999
01:02:48.480 --> 01:02:52.840
<v Speaker 2>of alteration done at a subconscious, unconscious level, right, And

1000
01:02:52.960 --> 01:02:55.840
<v Speaker 2>that's something that I think is difficult for people to understand.

1001
01:02:55.920 --> 01:02:59.880
<v Speaker 2>But this is you know, implanted false memories things of

1002
01:03:00.079 --> 01:03:03.119
<v Speaker 2>that nature. You know are are obviously playing out as well.

1003
01:03:03.840 --> 01:03:08.679
<v Speaker 2>And you know you have obviously you you you also

1004
01:03:08.800 --> 01:03:12.599
<v Speaker 2>have these these handlers utilizing the subconscious mind in which

1005
01:03:13.000 --> 01:03:18.800
<v Speaker 2>you have let's say, you just have these trigger mechanisms

1006
01:03:18.840 --> 01:03:20.880
<v Speaker 2>that I think it's important to understand, right, is a

1007
01:03:21.079 --> 01:03:24.000
<v Speaker 2>is a huge part of how this this actually fundamentally

1008
01:03:24.119 --> 01:03:28.559
<v Speaker 2>operates in the mind of the victim. But but yeah,

1009
01:03:28.840 --> 01:03:31.639
<v Speaker 2>this this is where we get into kind of.

1010
01:03:33.599 --> 01:03:33.639
<v Speaker 4>You.

1011
01:03:33.840 --> 01:03:39.639
<v Speaker 7>If you listen to the wife of the UH, the

1012
01:03:40.000 --> 01:03:41.400
<v Speaker 7>CIA Office of.

1013
01:03:41.440 --> 01:03:46.360
<v Speaker 2>Naval Intelligence operative gone through Rossbacher right, his wife, Raylan

1014
01:03:46.719 --> 01:03:51.519
<v Speaker 2>Alan Russbacher, right. She she described a lot of this

1015
01:03:51.719 --> 01:03:58.880
<v Speaker 2>personally because she experienced UH basically his targeting essentially after

1016
01:03:59.039 --> 01:04:01.840
<v Speaker 2>he became willing to blow the whistle. And this is

1017
01:04:01.960 --> 01:04:05.519
<v Speaker 2>the individual who, again, as I said, CIA covert Operative

1018
01:04:05.760 --> 01:04:09.480
<v Speaker 2>Office of Naval Intelligence, he was the one who is

1019
01:04:09.599 --> 01:04:16.119
<v Speaker 2>described as being directly involved in the flight to Paris

1020
01:04:16.599 --> 01:04:22.400
<v Speaker 2>with the President Bush Senior, right, George Bush Senior. And

1021
01:04:22.519 --> 01:04:28.599
<v Speaker 2>this is very interesting because obviously he explains specifically who

1022
01:04:28.760 --> 01:04:31.480
<v Speaker 2>was on the flight right and the chain of command

1023
01:04:31.559 --> 01:04:35.519
<v Speaker 2>as well. But the October surprise itself, Wilter cited his client.

1024
01:04:36.199 --> 01:04:39.920
<v Speaker 2>Paul Wilcher cited his client, Gunther Carl Russbacher, the CIA

1025
01:04:40.000 --> 01:04:45.920
<v Speaker 2>covert Operative Office of Naval Intelligence. He so his client

1026
01:04:46.000 --> 01:04:49.239
<v Speaker 2>describes a lifelong covert operative for the CIA in the

1027
01:04:49.320 --> 01:04:52.280
<v Speaker 2>Office of Naval Intelligence. As far as Paul Wilcher described

1028
01:04:52.280 --> 01:04:55.599
<v Speaker 2>his client as the pilot of the flight that flew

1029
01:04:55.679 --> 01:04:58.159
<v Speaker 2>George Bush and others to Paris for a meeting with

1030
01:04:58.280 --> 01:05:01.800
<v Speaker 2>Iran's leaders during the nineteen eight the election campaign so

1031
01:05:02.000 --> 01:05:05.199
<v Speaker 2>Russbacher claimed to have flown Bush to France in a

1032
01:05:05.320 --> 01:05:08.840
<v Speaker 2>BAC one to eleven owned by the Saudi Royal family.

1033
01:05:09.559 --> 01:05:13.639
<v Speaker 2>By Russbacher's recollection, the aircraft left from Andrews Air Force

1034
01:05:13.719 --> 01:05:17.840
<v Speaker 2>Base near seven am Eastern Standard time on October eighteenth.

1035
01:05:18.239 --> 01:05:21.320
<v Speaker 2>Rendezvoued over the Atlantic with a Grumm and Gulf Stream

1036
01:05:21.440 --> 01:05:25.920
<v Speaker 2>flown by Heinrich Rupp and landed at les Borges Airport.

1037
01:05:27.280 --> 01:05:30.400
<v Speaker 2>Russbaker returned Bush to the United States and at SR

1038
01:05:30.519 --> 01:05:33.760
<v Speaker 2>seventy one, which landed at McGuire Air Force Base at

1039
01:05:33.840 --> 01:05:37.519
<v Speaker 2>ten fifty am Eastern Standard time. After dropping Bush off

1040
01:05:37.559 --> 01:05:41.159
<v Speaker 2>at McGuire, Russboker continued a loan to Andrews Air Force Base.

1041
01:05:42.320 --> 01:05:45.880
<v Speaker 2>So this is interesting as well because if you look

1042
01:05:45.960 --> 01:05:47.599
<v Speaker 2>at persons.

1043
01:05:47.199 --> 01:05:50.360
<v Speaker 7>Who Russbacher alleged to be on the flight to Paris.

1044
01:05:50.760 --> 01:05:55.199
<v Speaker 2>It included William Casey future CIA director at the time,

1045
01:05:55.960 --> 01:05:59.480
<v Speaker 2>Donald greg CIA official, Robert Gabac.

1046
01:05:59.239 --> 01:06:02.679
<v Speaker 1>Or Colby got fucking murdered or got like clearly got off.

1047
01:06:03.480 --> 01:06:05.280
<v Speaker 2>I think it was Casey, the one that was in

1048
01:06:05.400 --> 01:06:08.760
<v Speaker 2>the boat that yeah, that was suspiciously killed.

1049
01:06:09.000 --> 01:06:11.519
<v Speaker 1>There's William Casey, and there's William Colby, So it's always

1050
01:06:11.559 --> 01:06:12.199
<v Speaker 1>mixed the too.

1051
01:06:12.079 --> 01:06:15.159
<v Speaker 2>Well, and now I always forget as well because I

1052
01:06:15.480 --> 01:06:17.039
<v Speaker 2>conflate both of them together as well.

1053
01:06:17.119 --> 01:06:21.920
<v Speaker 7>But yeah, I'm pretty sure it was Casey, but he

1054
01:06:22.000 --> 01:06:22.519
<v Speaker 7>and who had that?

1055
01:06:22.719 --> 01:06:26.840
<v Speaker 1>Uh, who had the quote to John de camp I

1056
01:06:27.000 --> 01:06:29.280
<v Speaker 1>think what like a month or less prefered to the

1057
01:06:29.320 --> 01:06:32.920
<v Speaker 1>bombing about like how yeah, then the militia will be

1058
01:06:33.000 --> 01:06:37.079
<v Speaker 1>the next biggest thing. It was murdered. Okay, whatever we're

1059
01:06:37.079 --> 01:06:38.719
<v Speaker 1>wrong on all.

1060
01:06:38.679 --> 01:06:46.360
<v Speaker 2>Right, Well that means difference, yeah, but uh, but yeah,

1061
01:06:46.519 --> 01:06:49.079
<v Speaker 2>I did find it interesting that Robert Gates was among

1062
01:06:50.360 --> 01:06:52.840
<v Speaker 2>the group as well, because he's a future CIA director.

1063
01:06:54.000 --> 01:06:57.559
<v Speaker 2>You have Earl Bryan, CIA agent credited by Wilsher, was

1064
01:06:57.639 --> 01:06:59.519
<v Speaker 2>stealing the inslaw Promise software.

1065
01:06:59.599 --> 01:07:02.360
<v Speaker 1>By the way, he was on the he was on

1066
01:07:02.440 --> 01:07:02.760
<v Speaker 1>the flight.

1067
01:07:05.000 --> 01:07:07.679
<v Speaker 2>You have Yeah, I mean you have you have quite

1068
01:07:07.719 --> 01:07:10.920
<v Speaker 2>a few, around five Navy seals, around five secret service agents,

1069
01:07:11.679 --> 01:07:17.519
<v Speaker 2>an additional congressman who's unnamed. You have John Hines, Republican Senator,

1070
01:07:17.719 --> 01:07:23.800
<v Speaker 2>John Tower, Republican Senator, Robert Byrd, Democratic Senator. There's not

1071
01:07:24.239 --> 01:07:27.400
<v Speaker 2>a huge list, but let's see one, two, three, five. Yeah,

1072
01:07:27.440 --> 01:07:32.440
<v Speaker 2>it's about twelve people, right, but still Andre Yeah, definitely

1073
01:07:32.440 --> 01:07:35.960
<v Speaker 2>an elite cadre of individuals who most of them would

1074
01:07:36.039 --> 01:07:40.440
<v Speaker 2>be future CIA directors, which is, you know, very important.

1075
01:07:40.519 --> 01:07:44.320
<v Speaker 2>I think to understand if this is a legitimate in

1076
01:07:44.440 --> 01:07:48.840
<v Speaker 2>my mind, everything checks out again. This is an individual

1077
01:07:48.920 --> 01:07:51.880
<v Speaker 2>who you have to consider what happened in terms of

1078
01:07:52.320 --> 01:07:55.960
<v Speaker 2>the cover up during I Ran Contra, the death of

1079
01:07:56.039 --> 01:07:59.679
<v Speaker 2>Danny Castilero. This, in my mind, would fall perfectly in

1080
01:07:59.760 --> 01:08:06.360
<v Speaker 2>line with the octopus. So basically Russbacher alleged to be

1081
01:08:06.480 --> 01:08:11.960
<v Speaker 2>involved in the ground level operation.

1082
01:08:12.599 --> 01:08:12.719
<v Speaker 4>Right.

1083
01:08:13.159 --> 01:08:20.720
<v Speaker 2>Wilt alleges that Heines, this individual was murdered in order

1084
01:08:20.800 --> 01:08:23.479
<v Speaker 2>to keep him quiet. Right, so one of the people

1085
01:08:23.520 --> 01:08:26.520
<v Speaker 2>who was actually on the flight was murdered in order

1086
01:08:26.560 --> 01:08:30.039
<v Speaker 2>to keep him quiet, John Hines, the Republican Senator. So

1087
01:08:31.399 --> 01:08:35.000
<v Speaker 2>I haven't yet looked up his death or the suspicious causes,

1088
01:08:35.840 --> 01:08:39.479
<v Speaker 2>but Wilt alleges that the senator was murdered in order

1089
01:08:39.520 --> 01:08:43.680
<v Speaker 2>to keep him quiet about the October surprise. And Heines's widow,

1090
01:08:43.800 --> 01:08:49.520
<v Speaker 2>Teresa Hines, she inevitably married the skull and bonesman John Kerry,

1091
01:08:50.520 --> 01:08:54.640
<v Speaker 2>so I found very strange. But in ninety two, Gunter

1092
01:08:54.800 --> 01:08:58.079
<v Speaker 2>Rossbacher was sentenced to twenty one years in prison for

1093
01:08:58.199 --> 01:09:03.520
<v Speaker 2>financial crimes. Russ Baker's wife, Raillian alleges that he had

1094
01:09:03.560 --> 01:09:05.720
<v Speaker 2>been a key figure in the Arms for drug scandal

1095
01:09:05.840 --> 01:09:10.039
<v Speaker 2>under the name Emery J. Pitten Peddin and that this

1096
01:09:10.199 --> 01:09:13.399
<v Speaker 2>sounds a lot like Barry Seal and similar in a

1097
01:09:13.479 --> 01:09:16.720
<v Speaker 2>similar way, and that at the time of his arrest

1098
01:09:16.800 --> 01:09:19.720
<v Speaker 2>in eighty nine, he was living in a CIA safehouse

1099
01:09:19.800 --> 01:09:22.880
<v Speaker 2>and his office was at the Langley, Virginia, CIA headquarters.

1100
01:09:23.680 --> 01:09:26.359
<v Speaker 2>All of the evidence of Gunther's ties to the intelligence

1101
01:09:26.439 --> 01:09:34.840
<v Speaker 2>community we were effectively procured by the FBI after his apprehension,

1102
01:09:35.319 --> 01:09:38.239
<v Speaker 2>and in February of ninety three, Rallian would claim to

1103
01:09:38.279 --> 01:09:41.720
<v Speaker 2>have provided Congress with the cockpit video from the SR

1104
01:09:41.840 --> 01:09:46.079
<v Speaker 2>seventy one during the return flight. Where as far as

1105
01:09:46.159 --> 01:09:51.479
<v Speaker 2>the hostage crisis is concerned with George Bussior in the

1106
01:09:51.600 --> 01:09:52.880
<v Speaker 2>October Surprise.

1107
01:09:52.600 --> 01:09:56.279
<v Speaker 1>So she also said they took an SR seventy one back.

1108
01:09:56.399 --> 01:09:57.159
<v Speaker 1>Is that what they're saying?

1109
01:09:58.920 --> 01:10:02.399
<v Speaker 2>Apparently from one of the locations on the trip back,

1110
01:10:02.600 --> 01:10:04.880
<v Speaker 2>they'd switched to an SR seventy one.

1111
01:10:05.079 --> 01:10:08.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I maybe I'm wrong, but I don't feel like

1112
01:10:08.840 --> 01:10:11.039
<v Speaker 1>that's the thing that carries a large about it people.

1113
01:10:11.079 --> 01:10:13.800
<v Speaker 2>I feel like, maybe I'm wrong, but there aren't a

1114
01:10:13.920 --> 01:10:16.800
<v Speaker 2>lot of people. It seems like the trip to France

1115
01:10:16.880 --> 01:10:20.880
<v Speaker 2>obviously seven or four thousand miles. I mean later models

1116
01:10:21.079 --> 01:10:25.119
<v Speaker 2>of this, the original BAC one eleven this lacks the

1117
01:10:25.199 --> 01:10:28.399
<v Speaker 2>range to fly across the Atlantic and so at least

1118
01:10:28.600 --> 01:10:31.640
<v Speaker 2>allegedly so that that did. That does bring in some

1119
01:10:31.920 --> 01:10:37.159
<v Speaker 2>interesting ideas about how this could have happened. But also

1120
01:10:37.359 --> 01:10:43.399
<v Speaker 2>considering I'm not sure how the flight actually you know, it.

1121
01:10:43.479 --> 01:10:46.319
<v Speaker 1>Was dual seats. There's two seats in it, so that's weird,

1122
01:10:46.439 --> 01:10:48.079
<v Speaker 1>like you would have to be like specific.

1123
01:10:48.279 --> 01:10:51.279
<v Speaker 2>Oh, but he said he the return flight was just

1124
01:10:51.920 --> 01:10:55.640
<v Speaker 2>he was bringing one passenger essentially what was happening, right,

1125
01:10:55.760 --> 01:11:01.479
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, effectively they had switched planes too. This SR

1126
01:11:01.600 --> 01:11:06.199
<v Speaker 2>seventy one from the original because let's see, General Maxwell

1127
01:11:06.279 --> 01:11:11.199
<v Speaker 2>Taylor provided the SR seventy one and Colonel de Demarentius,

1128
01:11:12.039 --> 01:11:15.439
<v Speaker 2>who photographed Bush entering the SR seventy one, just.

1129
01:11:15.439 --> 01:11:19.920
<v Speaker 1>Seems way too excessive just for personal used.

1130
01:11:20.279 --> 01:11:23.319
<v Speaker 2>Right, But the air traffic controller at Andrews Air Force

1131
01:11:23.439 --> 01:11:28.560
<v Speaker 2>Base apparently corroborated this. The crew of a tanker of

1132
01:11:28.680 --> 01:11:32.279
<v Speaker 2>a CAC one thirty five tanker refueled the SR seventy

1133
01:11:32.319 --> 01:11:36.640
<v Speaker 2>one in the air so this is all apparently legitimate,

1134
01:11:37.359 --> 01:11:41.800
<v Speaker 2>you know, as far as it's somehow, you know, been corroborated.

1135
01:11:41.880 --> 01:11:43.119
<v Speaker 7>It looks as if it has been.

1136
01:11:43.279 --> 01:11:46.359
<v Speaker 1>And then I just haven't never heard them being used

1137
01:11:46.359 --> 01:11:48.279
<v Speaker 1>for passenger purposes all that much.

1138
01:11:48.840 --> 01:11:51.279
<v Speaker 7>Not the SR seventy one, not like like I said.

1139
01:11:52.560 --> 01:11:56.640
<v Speaker 2>Like I said, he claims that russ Baker returned Bush

1140
01:11:56.720 --> 01:11:59.840
<v Speaker 2>to the United States in SR seventy one, which landed

1141
01:11:59.840 --> 01:12:02.880
<v Speaker 2>at McGuire Air Force Base at ten fifty am Easter

1142
01:12:03.039 --> 01:12:10.319
<v Speaker 2>Standard time. So that's the alleged claim. And let's see

1143
01:12:11.359 --> 01:12:15.479
<v Speaker 2>in February ninety three, his wife, Russ Baker's wife, the

1144
01:12:15.640 --> 01:12:17.000
<v Speaker 2>alleged pilot's wife.

1145
01:12:17.319 --> 01:12:24.560
<v Speaker 7>Rayleian ray Lean. Oh shit, it's probably ray Lean. That's hilarious.

1146
01:12:25.880 --> 01:12:29.720
<v Speaker 2>So she claims to have provided Congress with that cockpit

1147
01:12:29.840 --> 01:12:32.800
<v Speaker 2>video right which of the returning flight in the SR

1148
01:12:32.880 --> 01:12:38.159
<v Speaker 2>seventy one. So that is another aspect of the apparent corroboration.

1149
01:12:39.039 --> 01:12:41.359
<v Speaker 2>But she also claimed that the CIA had attempted to

1150
01:12:41.479 --> 01:12:45.039
<v Speaker 2>frame her and Smith for an assassination attempt on Bush.

1151
01:12:46.319 --> 01:12:52.720
<v Speaker 2>In October twenty ninth, apparently and over fifty CIA operatives,

1152
01:12:52.880 --> 01:12:56.720
<v Speaker 2>their wives and families were allegedly killed in an attempt

1153
01:12:56.840 --> 01:12:59.840
<v Speaker 2>by the Robert Gates faction of the CIA to cover

1154
01:13:00.000 --> 01:13:03.359
<v Speaker 2>its tracks before Clinton's team came into power. And this

1155
01:13:03.520 --> 01:13:07.119
<v Speaker 2>could be a window into power struggles and DC and

1156
01:13:07.199 --> 01:13:10.920
<v Speaker 2>the internal kind of criminal syndicate and how they really

1157
01:13:10.960 --> 01:13:14.720
<v Speaker 2>function in some sort of way, because it couldn't possibly

1158
01:13:14.800 --> 01:13:18.520
<v Speaker 2>be that they're all on, you know, on board with

1159
01:13:18.600 --> 01:13:21.079
<v Speaker 2>the same exact agenda. You would have to imagine warring

1160
01:13:21.199 --> 01:13:25.439
<v Speaker 2>factions playing out. It's typically the way organized crime function

1161
01:13:25.560 --> 01:13:29.600
<v Speaker 2>in the first place. And so yeah, and basically.

1162
01:13:31.600 --> 01:13:33.560
<v Speaker 7>It was alleged that.

1163
01:13:35.199 --> 01:13:40.920
<v Speaker 2>She had survived four assassination attempts between October thirtieth and

1164
01:13:40.960 --> 01:13:44.239
<v Speaker 2>December twenty fifth, and that the enemy camp is placed

1165
01:13:44.279 --> 01:13:48.119
<v Speaker 2>squarely within the Council of Foreign Relations. Then that was

1166
01:13:48.359 --> 01:13:50.720
<v Speaker 2>at the very least a claim that his wife had made.

1167
01:13:52.119 --> 01:13:57.039
<v Speaker 2>And if you consider how Paul Wilcher, who is the attorney,

1168
01:13:57.199 --> 01:14:04.960
<v Speaker 2>original attorney for Gunter Russbacher right, he he died in

1169
01:14:05.000 --> 01:14:07.399
<v Speaker 2>a very strange way when he tried to get the

1170
01:14:08.399 --> 01:14:11.560
<v Speaker 2>the right the three part report, the Wilch report to

1171
01:14:11.640 --> 01:14:18.359
<v Speaker 2>Janet Reno, and that death again is something that's worth understanding.

1172
01:14:18.479 --> 01:14:21.159
<v Speaker 7>But first of all, you have to realize what Gunther.

1173
01:14:21.159 --> 01:14:26.760
<v Speaker 2>Russbacher had told Paul Wilcher whenever he contacted him, which

1174
01:14:26.840 --> 01:14:28.800
<v Speaker 2>is exactly what it happened, is that he had been

1175
01:14:28.840 --> 01:14:33.279
<v Speaker 2>tipped off on Russbaker's existence as a covert operative, just

1176
01:14:33.399 --> 01:14:37.920
<v Speaker 2>based on his investigation practices in general and who he

1177
01:14:38.000 --> 01:14:41.119
<v Speaker 2>had come into contact with. He's given this tip, he

1178
01:14:41.239 --> 01:14:46.520
<v Speaker 2>follows up with Gunter Russbacher, and and basically after you know,

1179
01:14:46.920 --> 01:14:51.720
<v Speaker 2>a long time long conversations. Opening the conversations with Russbacher,

1180
01:14:52.319 --> 01:14:55.000
<v Speaker 2>he's told during the the Wacos well, first of all,

1181
01:14:55.039 --> 01:14:57.720
<v Speaker 2>he's told all about the October Surprise. So he had

1182
01:14:57.840 --> 01:15:01.880
<v Speaker 2>every single last aspect of the details playing into the

1183
01:15:01.960 --> 01:15:07.319
<v Speaker 2>October Surprise, the individual names involved, and that he then

1184
01:15:07.479 --> 01:15:11.720
<v Speaker 2>came back and debriefed right the task force, the October

1185
01:15:11.760 --> 01:15:17.199
<v Speaker 2>Surprise task Force, which, unfortunately, apparently, like most Senate and

1186
01:15:17.279 --> 01:15:21.399
<v Speaker 2>House task forces, the October Surprise was a complete whitewash,

1187
01:15:21.640 --> 01:15:22.880
<v Speaker 2>as all the rest were.

1188
01:15:23.600 --> 01:15:27.399
<v Speaker 7>And so this is where you have the wife of.

1189
01:15:29.920 --> 01:15:34.000
<v Speaker 2>This former Office of Naval Intelligence operative gun Through Russbacher,

1190
01:15:34.439 --> 01:15:38.600
<v Speaker 2>claiming that during the Waco Siege, Gunther started telling her

1191
01:15:38.720 --> 01:15:42.640
<v Speaker 2>and Paul Wilcher about the mind control experiments that were

1192
01:15:42.680 --> 01:15:46.680
<v Speaker 2>going on inside the compound at Waco. At first, Gunther

1193
01:15:46.800 --> 01:15:50.039
<v Speaker 2>compared the experiment with Jonestown, but then he said that

1194
01:15:50.119 --> 01:15:53.800
<v Speaker 2>this one was a different kind. I can still remember

1195
01:15:53.880 --> 01:15:56.279
<v Speaker 2>the night before the compound was burned. This is the

1196
01:15:56.359 --> 01:16:00.600
<v Speaker 2>wife of Russ Russbacher, he says.

1197
01:16:00.720 --> 01:16:02.199
<v Speaker 7>She says, ray Lean.

1198
01:16:02.680 --> 01:16:04.640
<v Speaker 2>I was in hiding on top of a mountain in

1199
01:16:04.720 --> 01:16:07.960
<v Speaker 2>a small town in Ohio. Another hit order had been

1200
01:16:08.000 --> 01:16:10.159
<v Speaker 2>put out on me and the FBI was looking for me.

1201
01:16:10.279 --> 01:16:13.039
<v Speaker 2>I had arranged to call Paul at exactly eight pm.

1202
01:16:13.880 --> 01:16:16.920
<v Speaker 2>Gunther was going to call Paul from prison, right because

1203
01:16:17.640 --> 01:16:21.039
<v Speaker 2>Paul er uh gun through Usbacher had already been brought

1204
01:16:21.119 --> 01:16:24.039
<v Speaker 2>up on federal charges because he became willing to blow

1205
01:16:24.079 --> 01:16:24.479
<v Speaker 2>the whistle.

1206
01:16:25.000 --> 01:16:26.079
<v Speaker 7>This is very interesting.

1207
01:16:26.159 --> 01:16:28.239
<v Speaker 2>It's it, by the way, that fits perfectly with what

1208
01:16:28.680 --> 01:16:31.760
<v Speaker 2>Racana Schutto claim happened to him. He was running black

1209
01:16:32.000 --> 01:16:36.560
<v Speaker 2>budget covert operations domestically with with the CIA, and that

1210
01:16:36.840 --> 01:16:41.359
<v Speaker 2>essentially he was hung out to dry because he had

1211
01:16:41.399 --> 01:16:44.920
<v Speaker 2>become willing to name co certain co conspirators and due

1212
01:16:44.960 --> 01:16:48.760
<v Speaker 2>to that fact, right, they essentially damaged his credibility and

1213
01:16:48.920 --> 01:16:53.479
<v Speaker 2>assassinated his character. And he wasn't all that of a

1214
01:16:53.560 --> 01:16:58.000
<v Speaker 2>bright and shining you know, ethical standard in the first place. Right,

1215
01:16:58.439 --> 01:17:01.159
<v Speaker 2>So it really wasn't all that difficult if you're running drugs,

1216
01:17:01.399 --> 01:17:05.960
<v Speaker 2>uh domestically with for the for the US intelligence apparatus.

1217
01:17:06.640 --> 01:17:13.560
<v Speaker 2>But but yeah, anyway, so Gunther and it's interesting because

1218
01:17:13.840 --> 01:17:17.319
<v Speaker 2>he starts gun thro Rust Baker starts explaining what was

1219
01:17:17.399 --> 01:17:20.960
<v Speaker 2>happening with these covert operations at Waco and uh and

1220
01:17:21.119 --> 01:17:26.439
<v Speaker 2>basically he he kind of outlines, you know, exactly what

1221
01:17:26.800 --> 01:17:31.600
<v Speaker 2>what was taking place and and essentially he says that yes,

1222
01:17:31.800 --> 01:17:35.159
<v Speaker 2>the Waco Sleepers had somehow been triggered and and this

1223
01:17:35.319 --> 01:17:38.119
<v Speaker 2>is where you kind of get into a little bit

1224
01:17:38.239 --> 01:17:41.199
<v Speaker 2>more of the details of what could have potentially been

1225
01:17:41.279 --> 01:17:47.039
<v Speaker 2>happening at at the Branch Davidian complex. So it looks

1226
01:17:47.079 --> 01:17:53.640
<v Speaker 2>as if and this is according to again this is

1227
01:17:53.760 --> 01:17:57.520
<v Speaker 2>ray Lean, right and uh, and she's explaining how the

1228
01:17:57.600 --> 01:18:00.680
<v Speaker 2>Davidian group was created to perform a terrorist act similar

1229
01:18:00.760 --> 01:18:03.960
<v Speaker 2>to the sarin gas that was released in the Japanese

1230
01:18:04.000 --> 01:18:07.640
<v Speaker 2>subway by the Amschinrikio Colt right. So again this is

1231
01:18:08.920 --> 01:18:12.640
<v Speaker 2>part of the Wilchi report. Randy Weavers listed in the

1232
01:18:12.640 --> 01:18:16.119
<v Speaker 2>Wilcher Report of the Ruby Ridge incident as being a

1233
01:18:16.199 --> 01:18:20.000
<v Speaker 2>control subject that ended up out of control, and Russbacher

1234
01:18:20.319 --> 01:18:24.880
<v Speaker 2>never never provided any further information on Randy Weaver being

1235
01:18:24.920 --> 01:18:29.920
<v Speaker 2>a potential you know, Manchurian or at the very least

1236
01:18:30.159 --> 01:18:35.840
<v Speaker 2>being involved with this very same operation. So Russbacher introduced

1237
01:18:35.880 --> 01:18:39.119
<v Speaker 2>Wilcher to members of his seal team. These men and

1238
01:18:39.239 --> 01:18:41.800
<v Speaker 2>others are the government employees who gave Paul Wilcher the

1239
01:18:41.880 --> 01:18:44.479
<v Speaker 2>information he put into the one hundred page letter he

1240
01:18:44.520 --> 01:18:48.119
<v Speaker 2>wrote to Attorney General Janet Reno. So in the letter,

1241
01:18:48.680 --> 01:18:53.199
<v Speaker 2>he explains that various government mind control experiments obviously, and

1242
01:18:53.520 --> 01:18:57.479
<v Speaker 2>he attempts to obviously walk us through a lot of

1243
01:18:57.520 --> 01:18:59.640
<v Speaker 2>the details of how this is even possible in the

1244
01:18:59.680 --> 01:19:02.319
<v Speaker 2>first place. And this is what he was trying to

1245
01:19:02.399 --> 01:19:05.800
<v Speaker 2>explain to Janet Reno, although he didn't realize Janet Reno

1246
01:19:05.920 --> 01:19:08.000
<v Speaker 2>wasn't really a good faith actor in the first place.

1247
01:19:09.359 --> 01:19:12.159
<v Speaker 2>She was she very much became compromised if she wasn't

1248
01:19:12.199 --> 01:19:15.840
<v Speaker 2>to begin with, but she tried, He tried to at

1249
01:19:15.840 --> 01:19:17.560
<v Speaker 2>the very least give her some.

1250
01:19:17.720 --> 01:19:19.319
<v Speaker 1>Sort of background on mind control.

1251
01:19:20.439 --> 01:19:26.520
<v Speaker 2>So it gets even crazier because, apparently, according to Raylen Russbacher,

1252
01:19:27.800 --> 01:19:30.520
<v Speaker 2>Wilcher was told that something had gone wrong at WACO

1253
01:19:31.359 --> 01:19:34.920
<v Speaker 2>the Sleepers were waking up from their programming. Not only

1254
01:19:35.039 --> 01:19:37.560
<v Speaker 2>were they waking up, one or more of them had

1255
01:19:37.600 --> 01:19:42.399
<v Speaker 2>been accidentally triggered. The Waco Sleepers were programmed to make

1256
01:19:42.640 --> 01:19:46.239
<v Speaker 2>and deliver a biological or chemical device that could kill

1257
01:19:46.359 --> 01:19:49.199
<v Speaker 2>everyone in a city the size of Oklahoma City or Houston.

1258
01:19:50.199 --> 01:19:54.159
<v Speaker 2>Information received by their handlers stated the program had been

1259
01:19:54.239 --> 01:19:58.359
<v Speaker 2>accidentally triggered and the seven Sleepers had started building the device.

1260
01:19:59.359 --> 01:20:05.319
<v Speaker 2>So this is but Russbacher actually gun Through Russbacher had

1261
01:20:05.399 --> 01:20:11.039
<v Speaker 2>actually told to Paul Wilcher, And so it looks like

1262
01:20:11.439 --> 01:20:15.079
<v Speaker 2>Paul Wilcher was not told about this mission right as

1263
01:20:15.159 --> 01:20:19.279
<v Speaker 2>far as the Waco Sleepers had been as far as

1264
01:20:20.079 --> 01:20:22.399
<v Speaker 2>he was not told about the mission the Waco Sleepers

1265
01:20:22.439 --> 01:20:24.880
<v Speaker 2>had been prepared to carry out. In terms of what

1266
01:20:25.279 --> 01:20:28.680
<v Speaker 2>was this device for, right, that's the main point and

1267
01:20:28.840 --> 01:20:34.960
<v Speaker 2>so meaning of course, the primary source of gun through Russbacher,

1268
01:20:35.239 --> 01:20:40.760
<v Speaker 2>by the way, is obviously he's the primary source in

1269
01:20:40.800 --> 01:20:44.399
<v Speaker 2>the Wilch report. And so this is when the outline

1270
01:20:45.560 --> 01:20:49.479
<v Speaker 2>from this chemical device of the Sleepers that they were

1271
01:20:49.520 --> 01:20:53.159
<v Speaker 2>constructing and alluded to and how it might have been

1272
01:20:53.319 --> 01:20:57.079
<v Speaker 2>used was at the very least it was somewhat alluded to,

1273
01:20:57.279 --> 01:21:00.760
<v Speaker 2>but not in real detail, so Wilcher was not told

1274
01:21:00.800 --> 01:21:04.920
<v Speaker 2>that the Sleepers had accidentally been triggered, but they were

1275
01:21:04.960 --> 01:21:07.720
<v Speaker 2>building a chemical device which they were planning on using

1276
01:21:07.840 --> 01:21:12.239
<v Speaker 2>on Oklahoma City. The Sleepers had been programmed many years before.

1277
01:21:12.680 --> 01:21:15.079
<v Speaker 2>In the ensuing time, it was discovered that the wind

1278
01:21:15.199 --> 01:21:18.119
<v Speaker 2>currents in Oklahoma City would have dispersed the chemicals so

1279
01:21:18.239 --> 01:21:21.800
<v Speaker 2>that it would have been rendered ineffective. In other words,

1280
01:21:22.399 --> 01:21:24.720
<v Speaker 2>it would not have killed the massive number of people

1281
01:21:24.840 --> 01:21:26.800
<v Speaker 2>that needed to be killed to send a message to

1282
01:21:26.800 --> 01:21:31.079
<v Speaker 2>the American people. The chemical device which the Seven Sleepers

1283
01:21:31.119 --> 01:21:34.119
<v Speaker 2>were in the process of constructing could have killed up

1284
01:21:34.159 --> 01:21:36.760
<v Speaker 2>to three hundred and fifty thousand people. That is the

1285
01:21:37.199 --> 01:21:40.880
<v Speaker 2>allegation which every agency or department was in control of

1286
01:21:40.920 --> 01:21:43.880
<v Speaker 2>the Sleepers, or whichever agency or department was in control

1287
01:21:43.920 --> 01:21:47.079
<v Speaker 2>of the Sleepers in this project made the determination that

1288
01:21:47.199 --> 01:21:50.960
<v Speaker 2>Houston would be a better target than Oklahoma City, so,

1289
01:21:51.239 --> 01:21:54.520
<v Speaker 2>in other words, more people would have been killed. And

1290
01:21:54.760 --> 01:22:00.199
<v Speaker 2>the Seven Sleepers had not yet been recalled apparently as

1291
01:22:00.239 --> 01:22:05.239
<v Speaker 2>far as their programming was concerned, and and so they

1292
01:22:05.319 --> 01:22:10.239
<v Speaker 2>apparently hadn't been recalled and reprogrammed with the new instructions

1293
01:22:10.279 --> 01:22:12.920
<v Speaker 2>such as dates and locations. So apparently that is how

1294
01:22:13.000 --> 01:22:16.960
<v Speaker 2>they actually can follow through with with a lot of

1295
01:22:17.079 --> 01:22:22.119
<v Speaker 2>this these potential kind of sleeper cells that that are

1296
01:22:22.279 --> 01:22:27.640
<v Speaker 2>conveniently stationed in controlled environments, because that's again what what

1297
01:22:28.760 --> 01:22:31.159
<v Speaker 2>you know, the theoretical outline here is that this could

1298
01:22:31.159 --> 01:22:34.119
<v Speaker 2>potentially be what is happening, right, is that you have

1299
01:22:34.239 --> 01:22:40.239
<v Speaker 2>sleeper cells that are stationed to condition groups of individual citizens,

1300
01:22:40.319 --> 01:22:44.199
<v Speaker 2>let's say, you know, in a controlled environment right where

1301
01:22:44.359 --> 01:22:47.760
<v Speaker 2>where you can kind of conduct this very sophisticated level

1302
01:22:47.800 --> 01:22:51.720
<v Speaker 2>of research. And you wonder why all of these interesting

1303
01:22:52.560 --> 01:22:56.239
<v Speaker 2>you know, how many right, the international footprint at Waco

1304
01:22:56.399 --> 01:23:00.600
<v Speaker 2>was very strange, to say the least. And so according

1305
01:23:00.640 --> 01:23:04.279
<v Speaker 2>to this Office of Naval Intelligence Cioperative Gun through Russbacher,

1306
01:23:04.960 --> 01:23:08.600
<v Speaker 2>there was another message being sent. Russbacher once stated that

1307
01:23:08.800 --> 01:23:12.960
<v Speaker 2>Randy Weaver was also a programmed sleeper and indicated that

1308
01:23:13.079 --> 01:23:18.119
<v Speaker 2>Vicky Weaver had somehow deactivated Brandy's programming. Russbacher seemed to

1309
01:23:18.159 --> 01:23:20.760
<v Speaker 2>imply that the attack on Ruby Ridge was intended to

1310
01:23:20.840 --> 01:23:24.199
<v Speaker 2>send a message not only to the Patriot community, but

1311
01:23:24.319 --> 01:23:28.079
<v Speaker 2>to all sleepers from the Special forces community. Some of

1312
01:23:28.199 --> 01:23:31.439
<v Speaker 2>these sleepers realized they had been programmed and were trying

1313
01:23:31.479 --> 01:23:36.159
<v Speaker 2>to find the sleeper program and deactivate it themselves. Russbacher

1314
01:23:36.239 --> 01:23:38.439
<v Speaker 2>said this was happening in some of the men who

1315
01:23:38.520 --> 01:23:41.520
<v Speaker 2>had been programmed during the Vietnam War as well. So

1316
01:23:41.680 --> 01:23:46.039
<v Speaker 2>he's claiming that during Phoenix that all of these sleepers

1317
01:23:46.119 --> 01:23:48.760
<v Speaker 2>began to wake up to their prior programming and reject it,

1318
01:23:49.279 --> 01:23:54.439
<v Speaker 2>and then, knowing in hindsight what had occurred, were effectively

1319
01:23:54.479 --> 01:24:02.399
<v Speaker 2>attempting to reprogram themselves in some very strange way. I'm

1320
01:24:02.439 --> 01:24:05.640
<v Speaker 2>telling you, man, this is all something that I've Again,

1321
01:24:06.359 --> 01:24:08.399
<v Speaker 2>I'm presenting this the best that I can because this

1322
01:24:08.560 --> 01:24:10.920
<v Speaker 2>is something that I've just recently discovered, and it's also

1323
01:24:11.119 --> 01:24:14.920
<v Speaker 2>very interesting trying to figure out what's most important to present.

1324
01:24:15.079 --> 01:24:17.960
<v Speaker 2>But it's like, with the amount of time we have left,

1325
01:24:18.000 --> 01:24:19.720
<v Speaker 2>it's it's basically impossible to do.

1326
01:24:19.920 --> 01:24:19.960
<v Speaker 6>So.

1327
01:24:20.760 --> 01:24:23.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but I think, I mean, obviously, if there's a

1328
01:24:23.479 --> 01:24:25.520
<v Speaker 1>I think we're kind of I think we've really kind

1329
01:24:25.560 --> 01:24:27.560
<v Speaker 1>of seems to me, at least obviously you have a

1330
01:24:27.640 --> 01:24:29.560
<v Speaker 1>better grip on this material. But it seems like we

1331
01:24:29.680 --> 01:24:31.760
<v Speaker 1>kind of hit the main beats in like kind of

1332
01:24:31.880 --> 01:24:34.439
<v Speaker 1>what we're getting at real quick before you do move

1333
01:24:34.520 --> 01:24:36.600
<v Speaker 1>on real quick. I do have a question from and

1334
01:24:36.720 --> 01:24:39.000
<v Speaker 1>it ties into kind of where we're at right now

1335
01:24:39.560 --> 01:24:42.439
<v Speaker 1>from one of my one of my listeners. It's actually

1336
01:24:42.439 --> 01:24:45.039
<v Speaker 1>from Tim Tuttle, and I just I guess he was

1337
01:24:45.079 --> 01:24:46.960
<v Speaker 1>obviously it seems like he knew ahead of time that

1338
01:24:47.039 --> 01:24:48.920
<v Speaker 1>you were going to touch on the David and his

1339
01:24:49.039 --> 01:24:52.079
<v Speaker 1>six followers being sleeper agents. But the key question he

1340
01:24:52.159 --> 01:24:54.439
<v Speaker 1>asked is how much weight does he put into it?

1341
01:24:54.880 --> 01:24:55.000
<v Speaker 4>Now?

1342
01:24:55.119 --> 01:24:58.680
<v Speaker 1>Like, if you are to analyze this theory, this theory

1343
01:24:58.760 --> 01:25:01.680
<v Speaker 1>that's being put out by the Wheelchair Report, what what?

1344
01:25:02.000 --> 01:25:05.520
<v Speaker 1>How do you how do you judge this? I'm beginning

1345
01:25:05.560 --> 01:25:07.680
<v Speaker 1>to find Is there any way too, is there any

1346
01:25:07.760 --> 01:25:11.119
<v Speaker 1>reason to look at this with dubious eyes aside from

1347
01:25:11.159 --> 01:25:14.760
<v Speaker 1>the fact that it's crazy claims or not really well?

1348
01:25:17.079 --> 01:25:20.199
<v Speaker 2>I honestly I think that the b C C I,

1349
01:25:20.960 --> 01:25:25.119
<v Speaker 2>you know, connection that's being provided here. The even what

1350
01:25:25.239 --> 01:25:28.399
<v Speaker 2>I have just discovered about Arlest Perry's husband, Bruce Perry,

1351
01:25:28.479 --> 01:25:32.479
<v Speaker 2>being involved as the psychiatrist who who gave the the

1352
01:25:32.640 --> 01:25:38.119
<v Speaker 2>children their psychiatric uh you know, basically there was a

1353
01:25:38.239 --> 01:25:40.000
<v Speaker 2>psych psychiatric profile.

1354
01:25:40.119 --> 01:25:40.399
<v Speaker 1>And and.

1355
01:25:42.119 --> 01:25:44.840
<v Speaker 2>Let me pull up Bruce because this is he was

1356
01:25:44.920 --> 01:25:47.159
<v Speaker 2>in charge of treating the children at Waco. This is

1357
01:25:47.199 --> 01:25:51.479
<v Speaker 2>so crazy man, and Bruce Paddock to me is direct

1358
01:25:51.920 --> 01:25:57.239
<v Speaker 2>not Bruce Paddock, Jesus going to the Vegas shooting my bad, No,

1359
01:25:57.439 --> 01:26:02.039
<v Speaker 2>Bruce Perry. That that's Arles Perry who was ritually murdered

1360
01:26:02.960 --> 01:26:07.239
<v Speaker 2>on the you know, on the UC Berkeley campus. And

1361
01:26:08.079 --> 01:26:12.000
<v Speaker 2>it's a very crazy story. It's October nineteen seventy four,

1362
01:26:13.439 --> 01:26:17.199
<v Speaker 2>and Bruce Perry's involved. He's found by the authorities and

1363
01:26:17.399 --> 01:26:20.000
<v Speaker 2>covered in blood. They claim it's not his blood. I

1364
01:26:20.119 --> 01:26:23.760
<v Speaker 2>think Stephen Crawford's involved, the security guard on the campus

1365
01:26:23.880 --> 01:26:27.159
<v Speaker 2>that night. But inevitably it's tied directly back to the

1366
01:26:27.199 --> 01:26:30.800
<v Speaker 2>processed church of the final judgment and a ritualistic, occult

1367
01:26:30.960 --> 01:26:35.600
<v Speaker 2>murder that very much she had been Apparently she was

1368
01:26:35.840 --> 01:26:41.079
<v Speaker 2>from North Dakota. David Berkwoods, himself from Son of Sam Murders,

1369
01:26:41.199 --> 01:26:45.800
<v Speaker 2>even wrote about how Arles Perry's murder was ritualistically. Obviously

1370
01:26:47.239 --> 01:26:52.239
<v Speaker 2>it was a ritual practice and it was honestly just

1371
01:26:54.359 --> 01:26:56.960
<v Speaker 2>a blood ritual inside of a chapel as well, with

1372
01:26:57.119 --> 01:27:00.960
<v Speaker 2>every single aspect of the crime scene being staged, a

1373
01:27:01.119 --> 01:27:05.760
<v Speaker 2>candle inserted into a vagina like like her legs being

1374
01:27:05.880 --> 01:27:11.760
<v Speaker 2>put at a strange specific angle where her her jeans

1375
01:27:11.800 --> 01:27:15.159
<v Speaker 2>were draped over her by by the by the perpetrator

1376
01:27:15.560 --> 01:27:17.920
<v Speaker 2>in in that very same angle with an ice pick

1377
01:27:18.000 --> 01:27:20.000
<v Speaker 2>shoved into the back of her head. But she didn't

1378
01:27:20.039 --> 01:27:23.079
<v Speaker 2>show signs of sexual abuse. It was very other than

1379
01:27:23.279 --> 01:27:26.520
<v Speaker 2>obviously the candle and those the strange.

1380
01:27:28.159 --> 01:27:28.279
<v Speaker 4>Uh.

1381
01:27:28.840 --> 01:27:32.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it again, the fact of the matter is that

1382
01:27:32.279 --> 01:27:36.039
<v Speaker 2>you have a direct tie in to Arles Perry's husband,

1383
01:27:36.119 --> 01:27:40.000
<v Speaker 2>Bruce Perry, happened to be being the psychiatrist involved in

1384
01:27:40.199 --> 01:27:43.119
<v Speaker 2>in uh in being in charge of treating the children

1385
01:27:43.159 --> 01:27:45.920
<v Speaker 2>at Waco. And so that alone made me think is

1386
01:27:46.199 --> 01:27:50.399
<v Speaker 2>is this is this potentially could we have some sort

1387
01:27:50.439 --> 01:27:53.199
<v Speaker 2>of wider network playing out here and some some gladiol

1388
01:27:53.359 --> 01:27:56.479
<v Speaker 2>style terms right where where this is more realistic than

1389
01:27:56.560 --> 01:27:59.520
<v Speaker 2>you would think and uh And I believe that at

1390
01:27:59.560 --> 01:28:03.680
<v Speaker 2>this point after reading into this, I think the ultimate

1391
01:28:03.720 --> 01:28:06.600
<v Speaker 2>thread is Paul Wilcher and the Wilter Report And I

1392
01:28:06.760 --> 01:28:09.680
<v Speaker 2>believe that Guntha Russ Baker was the pilot that day.

1393
01:28:09.800 --> 01:28:12.560
<v Speaker 2>I think that he can tie in the October surprise

1394
01:28:13.039 --> 01:28:18.159
<v Speaker 2>and Danny Casselarro's octopus to the BCCI scandal. That kind

1395
01:28:18.159 --> 01:28:22.640
<v Speaker 2>of proves out how Iran contra where laundering and money

1396
01:28:22.640 --> 01:28:25.960
<v Speaker 2>at the time and drugs and many other things, clandestine

1397
01:28:26.319 --> 01:28:31.479
<v Speaker 2>operations in general. And but you know it's it's more

1398
01:28:31.520 --> 01:28:34.199
<v Speaker 2>than that as well, right, because you have to consider the.

1399
01:28:34.239 --> 01:28:36.039
<v Speaker 7>Actual Wilt report itself.

1400
01:28:36.479 --> 01:28:42.399
<v Speaker 2>They talk about how essentially there's this crazy part about

1401
01:28:42.479 --> 01:28:47.039
<v Speaker 2>how basically how David Koresh could have, you know, potentially

1402
01:28:47.359 --> 01:28:51.840
<v Speaker 2>actually utilized mind control techniques. It says one reason why

1403
01:28:52.000 --> 01:28:55.920
<v Speaker 2>Koresh was so skilled in controlling his followers, right, and

1404
01:28:56.279 --> 01:29:00.279
<v Speaker 2>it goes into this is number nineteen in the ninety

1405
01:29:00.359 --> 01:29:03.399
<v Speaker 2>three reports sent to Janet Reno, the original version.

1406
01:29:04.279 --> 01:29:05.439
<v Speaker 7>It's a crazy.

1407
01:29:07.720 --> 01:29:09.399
<v Speaker 2>But this is what it looks like, right, and and

1408
01:29:10.079 --> 01:29:14.880
<v Speaker 2>it basically highlights one reason was right that he was

1409
01:29:14.920 --> 01:29:19.600
<v Speaker 2>so skilled in controlling his followers, and basically that was

1410
01:29:19.960 --> 01:29:22.640
<v Speaker 2>in subjugating the minds and wills of his followers. Was

1411
01:29:22.720 --> 01:29:24.880
<v Speaker 2>that he and these six men in his inner circle

1412
01:29:24.960 --> 01:29:29.119
<v Speaker 2>had been through such intensive and total mind control programming themselves.

1413
01:29:29.840 --> 01:29:32.239
<v Speaker 2>But once the CIA had trained these pre programmed row

1414
01:29:32.239 --> 01:29:34.800
<v Speaker 2>about assassins, it felt it could not just wind them

1415
01:29:34.880 --> 01:29:37.199
<v Speaker 2>up and let them go. It had to keep a

1416
01:29:37.279 --> 01:29:40.359
<v Speaker 2>careful watch over them and if push came to shove

1417
01:29:40.560 --> 01:29:42.880
<v Speaker 2>to take them out to kill them. If the CIA

1418
01:29:43.000 --> 01:29:46.199
<v Speaker 2>ever felt that Koresh and his six follow fellow sleepers

1419
01:29:46.279 --> 01:29:49.399
<v Speaker 2>could no longer be counted on to carry out their

1420
01:29:49.479 --> 01:29:52.359
<v Speaker 2>pre assigned mission at some date in the future or

1421
01:29:52.439 --> 01:29:55.600
<v Speaker 2>has ultimately occurred, if there was any danger that they

1422
01:29:55.680 --> 01:29:58.199
<v Speaker 2>might someday testify in a court of law or otherwise

1423
01:29:58.279 --> 01:30:02.439
<v Speaker 2>be able to expose the public as far as to

1424
01:30:02.520 --> 01:30:05.119
<v Speaker 2>the public to the real truth about the CI's mind

1425
01:30:05.119 --> 01:30:09.079
<v Speaker 2>control operations, I think that alone is at the very

1426
01:30:09.199 --> 01:30:14.159
<v Speaker 2>least worth worth identifying as a realistic possibility, right, Yeah,

1427
01:30:14.399 --> 01:30:17.640
<v Speaker 2>But when you have when you legitimately have a part

1428
01:30:17.680 --> 01:30:20.119
<v Speaker 2>of the Welter repport being you know.

1429
01:30:21.640 --> 01:30:23.840
<v Speaker 7>That this was a lot of this had to do

1430
01:30:24.119 --> 01:30:24.880
<v Speaker 7>obviously with.

1431
01:30:26.680 --> 01:30:32.079
<v Speaker 2>You're you're considering DC the winds of power shifting. Obviously

1432
01:30:32.319 --> 01:30:35.600
<v Speaker 2>you have transitioning in the uh UH the as far

1433
01:30:35.640 --> 01:30:39.279
<v Speaker 2>as the executive administration and power at the time, and

1434
01:30:39.359 --> 01:30:41.760
<v Speaker 2>I think that always matters as far as the covert

1435
01:30:41.840 --> 01:30:45.159
<v Speaker 2>operations and and getting the green light, you know.

1436
01:30:45.319 --> 01:30:47.560
<v Speaker 7>So, yeah, you have layered operations to Waco.

1437
01:30:47.720 --> 01:30:50.199
<v Speaker 2>Obviously the ATF wanted to be involved so they could

1438
01:30:50.239 --> 01:30:51.039
<v Speaker 2>get some more funding.

1439
01:30:51.079 --> 01:30:51.800
<v Speaker 1>One hundred percent.

1440
01:30:52.439 --> 01:30:55.159
<v Speaker 7>You had so many different aspects of it playing out.

1441
01:30:55.640 --> 01:30:59.359
<v Speaker 2>But to to rule out the legitimacy and realistic, uh

1442
01:31:00.079 --> 01:31:04.800
<v Speaker 2>potential of a covert operation being conducted domestically for some

1443
01:31:05.000 --> 01:31:09.920
<v Speaker 2>sort of let's say sleep or sell but but uh

1444
01:31:10.520 --> 01:31:15.359
<v Speaker 2>test group, you know, under the perfect circumstances, you know,

1445
01:31:15.680 --> 01:31:19.760
<v Speaker 2>just like a jonestown where where not only you know,

1446
01:31:20.399 --> 01:31:23.520
<v Speaker 2>again you have Sarah McClendon, who's who. She's part of

1447
01:31:23.600 --> 01:31:26.239
<v Speaker 2>the White House Press office right at the time, and

1448
01:31:26.319 --> 01:31:30.760
<v Speaker 2>she's legitimately like she's worried about Paul Wilcher because he

1449
01:31:31.000 --> 01:31:35.239
<v Speaker 2>was actually had press credentials at that time, right, was legitimate,

1450
01:31:35.399 --> 01:31:38.159
<v Speaker 2>like he was a corroborated journalist before he was found

1451
01:31:38.279 --> 01:31:41.920
<v Speaker 2>dead in one of the craziest uh, you know, examples

1452
01:31:41.960 --> 01:31:44.000
<v Speaker 2>you could ever discover. So this is the very beginning

1453
01:31:44.239 --> 01:31:48.680
<v Speaker 2>why Waco, it says, and this is alone. We could

1454
01:31:48.680 --> 01:31:52.960
<v Speaker 2>probably end with this because you know, there's just so

1455
01:31:53.119 --> 01:31:54.760
<v Speaker 2>much it's just too much, you know what I.

1456
01:31:54.800 --> 01:31:56.479
<v Speaker 7>Mean, And yeah, yeah, and so.

1457
01:31:57.960 --> 01:32:02.960
<v Speaker 2>Check this out so hours before you know, you just

1458
01:32:03.079 --> 01:32:05.720
<v Speaker 2>have to consider the fact that this is this is

1459
01:32:07.199 --> 01:32:10.359
<v Speaker 2>basically the best way to kind of.

1460
01:32:11.880 --> 01:32:18.560
<v Speaker 7>In a in a coherent and and let's say just comprehensive.

1461
01:32:20.000 --> 01:32:23.279
<v Speaker 2>Chronological way, like set out a little bit of what

1462
01:32:23.359 --> 01:32:26.680
<v Speaker 2>the Wilcher report is without having to read through it all,

1463
01:32:27.560 --> 01:32:31.920
<v Speaker 2>it obviously says that that Paul Wilcher right and in

1464
01:32:32.039 --> 01:32:36.520
<v Speaker 2>a small group because there's there's a death that's obviously

1465
01:32:36.600 --> 01:32:40.199
<v Speaker 2>affiliated because of Paul Wilcher being found dead, and so

1466
01:32:40.439 --> 01:32:43.800
<v Speaker 2>Mary and kidding as a friend and expressed concern about

1467
01:32:43.800 --> 01:32:47.399
<v Speaker 2>Wilcher's sudden disappearance. Wilcher worked closely with Gun through Russbacher,

1468
01:32:47.479 --> 01:32:51.840
<v Speaker 2>obtaining hours tape conversation about covert CIA operations, including the

1469
01:32:51.920 --> 01:32:57.600
<v Speaker 2>October surprise in slaw BCCI and other covert activities. Russbacher

1470
01:32:57.760 --> 01:33:00.520
<v Speaker 2>sent copies of the fifty five tapes in addition to

1471
01:33:00.560 --> 01:33:05.760
<v Speaker 2>the hundreds of hours so in addition, shortly before his death,

1472
01:33:05.840 --> 01:33:08.640
<v Speaker 2>Wiltro had obtained the names of many US Congressmen who

1473
01:33:08.720 --> 01:33:12.840
<v Speaker 2>had been bribed by BCCI. Wiltro was a threat to

1474
01:33:13.159 --> 01:33:17.439
<v Speaker 2>Justice Department officials, federal judges, members of Congress, and other

1475
01:33:17.560 --> 01:33:21.800
<v Speaker 2>US officials. Marian Kendig, a friend of Wiltchire, went to

1476
01:33:21.880 --> 01:33:24.560
<v Speaker 2>his apartment a couple of days earlier and got no

1477
01:33:24.720 --> 01:33:27.720
<v Speaker 2>answer when she rang the doorbell. She rang an adjacent

1478
01:33:27.760 --> 01:33:30.920
<v Speaker 2>apartment seeking to have the person signal the front door

1479
01:33:31.000 --> 01:33:34.039
<v Speaker 2>to open. She wanted to leave a package on Wilcher's doorknob.

1480
01:33:35.479 --> 01:33:39.840
<v Speaker 2>So this is how his body is discovered basically. But

1481
01:33:40.319 --> 01:33:43.560
<v Speaker 2>Sarah mcclindon asked the Washington Police to go to Wilcher's

1482
01:33:43.600 --> 01:33:46.279
<v Speaker 2>apartments to check on his safety, stating that several friends

1483
01:33:46.319 --> 01:33:48.479
<v Speaker 2>had not seen Wiltchair for the past two weeks and

1484
01:33:48.560 --> 01:33:52.439
<v Speaker 2>that they feared foul play. The police refused to do so,

1485
01:33:53.439 --> 01:33:56.479
<v Speaker 2>and it was also described, as I had read earlier,

1486
01:33:57.119 --> 01:33:59.159
<v Speaker 2>as if they didn't want to get involved in any

1487
01:33:59.199 --> 01:34:02.920
<v Speaker 2>real way, which makes sense based on the military intelligence

1488
01:34:04.279 --> 01:34:09.920
<v Speaker 2>like infiltration of the local Metropolitan DC police department. But

1489
01:34:10.079 --> 01:34:15.840
<v Speaker 2>either way, so he's clearly he's discovered dead. And it's

1490
01:34:16.479 --> 01:34:20.479
<v Speaker 2>very very strange in the better way to expose the

1491
01:34:20.600 --> 01:34:24.520
<v Speaker 2>details of that, because you actually have Russbacher himself, the

1492
01:34:26.079 --> 01:34:30.560
<v Speaker 2>actual cia O NI operative. He explains exactly what happened

1493
01:34:31.239 --> 01:34:36.000
<v Speaker 2>to this individual. He provided all the information to Paul Wilcher,

1494
01:34:37.079 --> 01:34:39.920
<v Speaker 2>and this is what he has to say. Gone through,

1495
01:34:39.960 --> 01:34:43.479
<v Speaker 2>Russbacher releases information detailing the last hours of Paul Wilcher,

1496
01:34:44.000 --> 01:34:48.119
<v Speaker 2>how Paul Wilcher was murdered. Paul was picked up at

1497
01:34:48.159 --> 01:34:51.239
<v Speaker 2>his apartment, taken to Vienna, Virginia where he was questioned

1498
01:34:51.399 --> 01:34:54.960
<v Speaker 2>as to the Bush, Webster and Carter account with London

1499
01:34:55.239 --> 01:34:59.479
<v Speaker 2>s w BCCI. He was questioned for approximately two hours,

1500
01:34:59.600 --> 01:35:03.199
<v Speaker 2>at which time he was fed. At three forty pm

1501
01:35:03.319 --> 01:35:06.560
<v Speaker 2>on the eighteenth of June, he was administered point zero

1502
01:35:06.720 --> 01:35:11.960
<v Speaker 2>two five milligrams of Cure AIRR via DSMO as a stabilizer.

1503
01:35:12.880 --> 01:35:15.359
<v Speaker 2>It was applied to the coding of the pepsi bottle.

1504
01:35:16.960 --> 01:35:19.119
<v Speaker 2>At point of death, he was beaten to the face

1505
01:35:19.239 --> 01:35:21.439
<v Speaker 2>to make it look like a mugging. Now, this is

1506
01:35:21.680 --> 01:35:24.880
<v Speaker 2>coming from gun Tha Usbacher, the alleged OH and I

1507
01:35:25.119 --> 01:35:28.319
<v Speaker 2>CIA operative who was running covert operations drug smuggling for

1508
01:35:28.399 --> 01:35:32.359
<v Speaker 2>the Iran contra network, the pilot that ran the October Surprise,

1509
01:35:32.840 --> 01:35:38.840
<v Speaker 2>who effectively exposed the BCCI you know connection. This is

1510
01:35:38.920 --> 01:35:43.319
<v Speaker 2>all what he has to say, obviously in his attempt

1511
01:35:43.560 --> 01:35:47.359
<v Speaker 2>to expose this this wider network, but also in his

1512
01:35:47.479 --> 01:35:52.760
<v Speaker 2>attempt to corroborate the legitimacy and credibility of Paul Wiltra himself,

1513
01:35:52.840 --> 01:35:55.720
<v Speaker 2>who was the attorney who sought him out and attempted

1514
01:35:55.760 --> 01:36:00.520
<v Speaker 2>to expose, you know, the truth in regard to what

1515
01:36:00.880 --> 01:36:03.319
<v Speaker 2>at least potentially could be the truth in regard to

1516
01:36:03.399 --> 01:36:07.199
<v Speaker 2>a covert Clindestine operation being exposed.

1517
01:36:07.319 --> 01:36:09.880
<v Speaker 7>Right, And so this is.

1518
01:36:11.359 --> 01:36:13.760
<v Speaker 2>By the way, he claims that he was also poisoned

1519
01:36:14.000 --> 01:36:17.880
<v Speaker 2>right when he went to which I found interesting, off Foot.

1520
01:36:17.680 --> 01:36:19.520
<v Speaker 7>Air Force Base. Right.

1521
01:36:20.079 --> 01:36:22.800
<v Speaker 2>So he goes to Offod Air Force Base in Nebraska

1522
01:36:23.159 --> 01:36:27.000
<v Speaker 2>where they're running Project Monarch. Then he claims at least

1523
01:36:27.039 --> 01:36:30.079
<v Speaker 2>gone thro Russbacher. He had told Paul Wilcher that when

1524
01:36:30.119 --> 01:36:34.399
<v Speaker 2>he went there with these key CIA operatives and very

1525
01:36:34.600 --> 01:36:41.199
<v Speaker 2>high level officials within the intelligence apparatus, that he basically

1526
01:36:42.239 --> 01:36:45.159
<v Speaker 2>tells him that he was poisoned.

1527
01:36:45.640 --> 01:36:45.800
<v Speaker 1>Right.

1528
01:36:46.199 --> 01:36:49.560
<v Speaker 2>I believe it was Russbacher that was poisoned, or maybe

1529
01:36:49.600 --> 01:36:52.880
<v Speaker 2>it was Russbaker had brought Paul Wilcher to this event. Again,

1530
01:36:53.000 --> 01:36:57.039
<v Speaker 2>I've just recently been very much exposed to this light

1531
01:36:57.119 --> 01:37:00.600
<v Speaker 2>of interest. But from the story that I'm recalling from

1532
01:37:00.920 --> 01:37:04.439
<v Speaker 2>my recent memory, yeah, it was one of the two.

1533
01:37:04.760 --> 01:37:07.880
<v Speaker 2>But either way, one of the two were poisoned while

1534
01:37:07.880 --> 01:37:08.560
<v Speaker 2>they're a meeting with.

1535
01:37:08.640 --> 01:37:12.439
<v Speaker 7>The director of the CIA at of off Air Force Base.

1536
01:37:12.880 --> 01:37:15.199
<v Speaker 2>And I believe it actually was Paul Wilch now that

1537
01:37:15.279 --> 01:37:19.079
<v Speaker 2>I'm remembering, because I'm pretty sure the entire uh what

1538
01:37:19.239 --> 01:37:22.319
<v Speaker 2>it happened was that the head of the CIA had

1539
01:37:22.479 --> 01:37:28.399
<v Speaker 2>had had directly told the individual who present presented the

1540
01:37:28.520 --> 01:37:31.199
<v Speaker 2>drinks to the table of Gun to Russbacher and Paul

1541
01:37:31.239 --> 01:37:35.640
<v Speaker 2>Wilcher that he needed Paul Wilcher to have a long

1542
01:37:35.760 --> 01:37:39.279
<v Speaker 2>sleep and so effectively that meant you need to drug

1543
01:37:39.439 --> 01:37:42.159
<v Speaker 2>him so I can have a private conversation with Gun

1544
01:37:42.199 --> 01:37:46.720
<v Speaker 2>through Russbacher without this this attorney who's clearly attempting to

1545
01:37:46.880 --> 01:37:49.560
<v Speaker 2>pry into a lot of these these dealings. Now I'm

1546
01:37:49.600 --> 01:37:53.720
<v Speaker 2>trying to again, uh all all, uh all, fundamentally, uh

1547
01:37:54.319 --> 01:37:56.399
<v Speaker 2>you know, kind of affiliate myself with the far more

1548
01:37:56.439 --> 01:38:00.279
<v Speaker 2>of these details over time, but with the I.

1549
01:38:00.319 --> 01:38:02.119
<v Speaker 1>Really you got to get out here and oh yeah

1550
01:38:02.920 --> 01:38:03.439
<v Speaker 1>spot so.

1551
01:38:06.039 --> 01:38:09.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'll summarize this, brother, I'm sorry, but basically the

1552
01:38:10.279 --> 01:38:13.000
<v Speaker 2>at the point of death, the point being gunn through

1553
01:38:13.079 --> 01:38:16.920
<v Speaker 2>uss Baker released the information dealing detailing the last hours

1554
01:38:16.960 --> 01:38:19.159
<v Speaker 2>of Paul Wiltshire. He says at the point of death,

1555
01:38:19.239 --> 01:38:21.159
<v Speaker 2>he was beaten it to the face to make it

1556
01:38:21.279 --> 01:38:23.800
<v Speaker 2>look like a mugging. He was held in the trunk

1557
01:38:23.840 --> 01:38:26.960
<v Speaker 2>of a white and gray Ford Victoria with Maryland plates.

1558
01:38:27.319 --> 01:38:29.680
<v Speaker 2>He was taken to his apartment. He was in a

1559
01:38:29.920 --> 01:38:32.840
<v Speaker 2>briga Mortis at the time already placed on the toilet.

1560
01:38:33.159 --> 01:38:36.319
<v Speaker 2>He had already emptied his bowls at death in another location,

1561
01:38:36.880 --> 01:38:41.359
<v Speaker 2>the ball was removed and disappeared. Autopsy errology will show

1562
01:38:42.199 --> 01:38:47.880
<v Speaker 2>this curere dmso in the cardiovascular sack. Uh paridinum. I

1563
01:38:48.000 --> 01:38:49.399
<v Speaker 2>believe peridinum.

1564
01:38:49.479 --> 01:38:49.840
<v Speaker 7>I don't know.

1565
01:38:49.920 --> 01:38:52.159
<v Speaker 2>I'm not quite sure how to pronounce it, but that

1566
01:38:52.439 --> 01:38:55.439
<v Speaker 2>was what he was claiming would be discovered. And so

1567
01:38:56.239 --> 01:38:59.039
<v Speaker 2>there's a Chicago judge which apparently died in the very

1568
01:38:59.119 --> 01:39:03.159
<v Speaker 2>same way right that Wilcher did, Judge Parsons, which was

1569
01:39:03.600 --> 01:39:07.039
<v Speaker 2>apparently being primed and ready to accept a civil rico

1570
01:39:07.199 --> 01:39:10.560
<v Speaker 2>filing in regard to this very same matter, which was

1571
01:39:10.600 --> 01:39:14.520
<v Speaker 2>scheduled for filing on June I believe it was June thirtieth,

1572
01:39:14.680 --> 01:39:18.279
<v Speaker 2>ninety three, And then all of the documents disappeared after

1573
01:39:18.359 --> 01:39:22.199
<v Speaker 2>the fact. So several others, of course died, and and

1574
01:39:22.279 --> 01:39:24.600
<v Speaker 2>they were claiming up to fifty some odd cut you know,

1575
01:39:24.720 --> 01:39:29.800
<v Speaker 2>covert operatives were effectively targeted and assassinated throughout the course

1576
01:39:29.880 --> 01:39:33.239
<v Speaker 2>of this uh you know, attempted exposure and and so

1577
01:39:33.359 --> 01:39:36.039
<v Speaker 2>the primary cause of death, according to gun through Russbacher

1578
01:39:36.880 --> 01:39:40.840
<v Speaker 2>Bush Russboker video of the return flight from Paris and

1579
01:39:40.880 --> 01:39:41.920
<v Speaker 2>the SR seventy one.

1580
01:39:42.159 --> 01:39:43.600
<v Speaker 1>They say that was a huge factor.

1581
01:39:44.439 --> 01:39:50.520
<v Speaker 2>Documents of BCCI and UH and and these these financial right, obviously,

1582
01:39:50.640 --> 01:39:55.760
<v Speaker 2>these these proof positive that there's clearly a covert money

1583
01:39:55.800 --> 01:40:01.439
<v Speaker 2>laundering operation facilitating these black budget you know, and again

1584
01:40:02.119 --> 01:40:04.479
<v Speaker 2>the overall intelligence apparatus that's being.

1585
01:40:05.880 --> 01:40:08.840
<v Speaker 7>Obviously gladiol in my mind. But anyway, audio tapes.

1586
01:40:08.600 --> 01:40:12.079
<v Speaker 2>Of interviews by CIA covert operatives over sixty five tapes,

1587
01:40:12.159 --> 01:40:15.720
<v Speaker 2>ninety two hours of which we were all effectively destroyed

1588
01:40:15.880 --> 01:40:20.720
<v Speaker 2>or disappeared, and WACO on the CIA Delta Force, all

1589
01:40:21.039 --> 01:40:22.279
<v Speaker 2>all involved obviously.

1590
01:40:22.840 --> 01:40:26.760
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, all right, well with that, Austin, let them

1591
01:40:26.760 --> 01:40:28.760
<v Speaker 1>know where they can find you more, buddy, But yeah,

1592
01:40:28.800 --> 01:40:30.800
<v Speaker 1>I know there's plenty, but i'd really good out of here.

1593
01:40:30.840 --> 01:40:33.079
<v Speaker 1>So I'm sorry to trying to keep you. But we

1594
01:40:33.119 --> 01:40:35.640
<v Speaker 1>could easily make this at least a two part episode.

1595
01:40:35.840 --> 01:40:38.760
<v Speaker 1>So but to keep it, Kurt, and to keep it

1596
01:40:39.039 --> 01:40:41.159
<v Speaker 1>I think we we. I think we covered relevant information,

1597
01:40:41.239 --> 01:40:43.720
<v Speaker 1>We let people interested. I'm sure we'll spurg on this

1598
01:40:43.840 --> 01:40:46.159
<v Speaker 1>and other times in one of our shows with that,

1599
01:40:46.239 --> 01:40:48.359
<v Speaker 1>Austin at some point, yeah, oh for sure. But with

1600
01:40:48.439 --> 01:40:49.720
<v Speaker 1>that Austin. Let them know where they can find you.

1601
01:40:49.800 --> 01:40:51.319
<v Speaker 1>We're gonna get out of here. I gotta get going,

1602
01:40:51.439 --> 01:40:53.640
<v Speaker 1>so it sounds good, buddy, Sorry to keep you mad.

1603
01:40:53.760 --> 01:40:54.279
<v Speaker 1>You already know.

1604
01:40:55.359 --> 01:40:57.960
<v Speaker 2>I tried to do my best as far as again

1605
01:40:58.119 --> 01:41:01.079
<v Speaker 2>this is. I couldn't figure out the best way to

1606
01:41:01.199 --> 01:41:04.159
<v Speaker 2>chronologically organize a lot of this because it's so much

1607
01:41:04.279 --> 01:41:10.119
<v Speaker 2>that I'm kind of spiraling on in a very brief

1608
01:41:10.159 --> 01:41:14.319
<v Speaker 2>amount of time. But still it's something worthwhile in examining

1609
01:41:14.359 --> 01:41:16.880
<v Speaker 2>and re examining and reflecting upon because I do think

1610
01:41:16.960 --> 01:41:20.520
<v Speaker 2>that this alternative theory provides a far more plausibility than

1611
01:41:20.600 --> 01:41:24.279
<v Speaker 2>I originally would have ever considered, you know. And and

1612
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<v Speaker 1>Me and Austin are about to start a Dutrow series,

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