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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to KFI AM six forty on demand.

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<v Speaker 2>Mark Thompson's sitting in and just taking some time out

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<v Speaker 2>of prepping for my big YouTube show, The Mark Thompson

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<v Speaker 2>Show on YouTube, kind of a politics and news thing.

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<v Speaker 2>You ever in the neighborhood of YouTube, Please subscribe. It's free,

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<v Speaker 2>it's the it's price to move my show. I mentioned

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<v Speaker 2>Mark Zuckerberg and the fact that he's putting together these

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<v Speaker 2>pay packages at Meta formerly Facebook, and you can guess

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<v Speaker 2>where the emphasis is now at Meta. You know, the

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<v Speaker 2>meta world is interesting to me because you remember when

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<v Speaker 2>he put those billions of dollars it was tens of

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<v Speaker 2>billions of dollars into the metaverse. The word meta and

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<v Speaker 2>the rebranding of Facebook as Meta kind of came out

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<v Speaker 2>of that metaverse craze. Everything was going to be in

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<v Speaker 2>the metaverse. We were going to meet in the metaverse.

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<v Speaker 2>There were going to be concert venues in the metaverse.

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<v Speaker 2>The metaverse is going to be a place where they're

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<v Speaker 2>going to be virtual cities. And that's still all maybe percolating,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, but there was a time when it

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<v Speaker 2>just seemed as though it was going to happen, like

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<v Speaker 2>you know, at noon tomorrow. Now whenever it's going to happen,

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<v Speaker 2>or the degree to which it's happening has sort of

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<v Speaker 2>been put off. But what's replaced it is what AI.

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<v Speaker 2>And AI is proving itself to be as transformational as

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<v Speaker 2>everybody had said it would be. And so to Zuckerberg

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<v Speaker 2>and these compensation packages. He's putting together huge compensation packages

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<v Speaker 2>related to AI. Apparently he spent months putting together a

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<v Speaker 2>list of the top AI engineers and researchers across the globe,

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<v Speaker 2>and he wants to offer these people potential recruits, right,

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<v Speaker 2>lucrative compensation packages. And he's trying to poach AI talent

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<v Speaker 2>from a lot of competitors. So how do you put

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<v Speaker 2>together the perfect package? You offer up to one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>million dollars, which is what he's doing. He's personally reaching

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<v Speaker 2>out to a lot of these most desirable AI developers.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know this is a company Meta. Remember Meta

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<v Speaker 2>owns Facebook, Instagram, WhatsApp, and they are competing in this

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<v Speaker 2>attempt to be AI dominant. The dominant AI engines really

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<v Speaker 2>stand to control the future. See of open AI. Google

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<v Speaker 2>has its own AI right, Microsoft, Amazon, and billions of

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<v Speaker 2>dollars are being invested into AI research and product development,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's being talked about Meta as being an also ran,

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<v Speaker 2>like not really keeping up with the competition. They had

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<v Speaker 2>a rollout scheduled and then it was delayed and so

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<v Speaker 2>all of a sudden, that's their flagship AI model, and

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<v Speaker 2>it seems like maybe it's still a little bit on

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<v Speaker 2>the jankie side and that's the reason that you didn't

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<v Speaker 2>roll it out on time. So again they invested fourteen

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<v Speaker 2>billion for a steak in Scale AI. And Scale ai

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<v Speaker 2>is an AI founded by a guy named Alexander Wang.

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<v Speaker 2>Guess how old Alexander Wang is. He is the founder

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<v Speaker 2>of this Scale AI. And again Meta just paid for

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<v Speaker 2>a steak in AI. They don't own it. This is

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<v Speaker 2>just a piece of the party. They paid fourteen billion.

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<v Speaker 2>The founder Alexander Wang is how old? Twenty eight? And

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<v Speaker 2>Meta wants to put Alexander Wang, twenty eight, eight year old,

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<v Speaker 2>in charge of its super intelligence team. That's a lab team,

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<v Speaker 2>an internal lab team that's going to focus on developing

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<v Speaker 2>a hypothetical AI system that is smarter than humans. Google

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<v Speaker 2>bought out the shares in Character ai. That's a chatbot

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<v Speaker 2>service that just happened last year, So back to Zuckerberg

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<v Speaker 2>and these compensation packages. He's trying to go after all

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<v Speaker 2>of these recent graduate from top PhD programs at schools

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<v Speaker 2>like cal in the Bay Area, Carnegie Mellon and more

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<v Speaker 2>and more of these deep mind project like their Google's

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<v Speaker 2>got a deep mind project and Open AI and you

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<v Speaker 2>know you've heard all of these names. Well, Zuckerberg's going

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<v Speaker 2>to poach all of these companies for some of their

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<v Speaker 2>top people. And so somebody who spoke to Zuckerberg, a recruit,

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<v Speaker 2>said that he's trying to essentially this is a quote,

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<v Speaker 2>get a transfusion from the country's top AI labs. And

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<v Speaker 2>so in that process, he's offering one hundred billion dollars

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<v Speaker 2>to what he considers the best people in the field.

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<v Speaker 2>On the other side of it are all of the

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<v Speaker 2>creators who are being counterfeited and undercut by AI. And

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<v Speaker 2>I'm talking about authors. An open letter written on Friday

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<v Speaker 2>about the use of AI on in creating books. It

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<v Speaker 2>showed up on the literary website lit hub. It's asking

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<v Speaker 2>publishing houses to promise that they will never release books

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<v Speaker 2>that were created by machines. I see that as a

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<v Speaker 2>request that may not go honored. It's just so easy

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<v Speaker 2>for these publishers to frankenstein together all kinds of book

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<v Speaker 2>on any number of subjects. They addressed, these seventy authors

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<v Speaker 2>did the big five US publishers Penguin, Random House, HarperCollins,

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<v Speaker 2>Simon and Schuster, and they got more than eleven hundred

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<v Speaker 2>signatures on the accompanying petition and their direct request to

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<v Speaker 2>publishers on a number of different things. And AI may

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<v Speaker 2>already or could soon be in this publishing world, and

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<v Speaker 2>the letter asks them, along with the accompanying petition, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>please don't do this. The writing that AI produces feels cheap,

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<v Speaker 2>they say, because it is cheap, they continue, It feels

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<v Speaker 2>simple because it is simple to produce. That is the

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<v Speaker 2>whole point. AI is an enormously powerful tool here to

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<v Speaker 2>stay with the capacity for real societal benefits, but the

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<v Speaker 2>replacement of art and artists isn't one of them. And

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<v Speaker 2>there have been lawsuits, as you know, from authors, mean

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<v Speaker 2>big authors are going after publishers for having balkanized their work.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, they take a piece of it and they

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<v Speaker 2>are essentially guilty of potentially anyway copyright infringement. So these

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<v Speaker 2>are ongoing cases from a lot of everybody from Sarah

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<v Speaker 2>Silverman to Who's the Comedian? But she's also an author

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<v Speaker 2>to some of the biggest names in writing. And some

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<v Speaker 2>of these cases are already beginning to render rulings. Federal

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<v Speaker 2>judges were handing down judgments in two cases like this

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<v Speaker 2>just on Friday of this past week. They ruled in

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<v Speaker 2>favor of the defendants. They ruled in favor of the

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<v Speaker 2>AI companies Anthropic AI and Meta, So they dealt a

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<v Speaker 2>blow to these authors. And this could give AI companies

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<v Speaker 2>the legal right under the fair use doctrine to train

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<v Speaker 2>their large language models on copyrighted work and do what

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<v Speaker 2>I was just mentioning, essentially Frankenstein together bits of this work.

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<v Speaker 2>AI is transforming everything, and that's why they're paying a

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<v Speaker 2>premium for AI engineers, and it will change the way

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<v Speaker 2>so much is done.

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<v Speaker 3>Around the world.

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<v Speaker 2>When we come back, the beach just got a whole

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<v Speaker 2>lot more dangerous. And you'll never guess why.

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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to KFI AM six forty on demand.

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<v Speaker 4>Hey Mark Luis here, good to hear you on a

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<v Speaker 4>Sunday afternoon. Don't forget to promote the Mark Hanson Show

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<v Speaker 4>on YouTube. Hey, I does have just caused because those

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<v Speaker 4>people were picked up just because they happened to.

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<v Speaker 5>Be at the home people on a Sunday afternoon. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 5>good to hear from you, buddy, I get it, Louise. Yes,

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<v Speaker 5>they picked up just cauts is what you're saying. Okay,

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<v Speaker 5>Uh Yeah. The Mark Thompson Shows on YouTube. It's a

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<v Speaker 5>iHeartRadio app as a podcast. It's called the Mark Thompson Show. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>we didn't spend a lot of time on the title,

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<v Speaker 5>so but thanks for that. Speaking of ICE, I would

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<v Speaker 5>just I think this one is related to ICE. Somebody

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<v Speaker 5>called in and left to talk back on this. I say,

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<v Speaker 5>called in, you know, use the talkback feature I just described.

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<v Speaker 3>And here is that.

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<v Speaker 6>In regards to I thought they were going to start

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<v Speaker 6>with the criminals first.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I was saying that, you know, in the articulated

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<v Speaker 2>immigration strategy, it's we're going to start with the criminals.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to start with the you know, and you

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<v Speaker 2>don't find them as day workers at home depot, at Low's,

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<v Speaker 2>et cetera. And we're just kind of talking about the

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<v Speaker 2>pushback on ICE, and so this gentleman is calling about

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<v Speaker 2>that just to put it in contact.

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<v Speaker 6>So in regards to I thought they were going to

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<v Speaker 6>start with the criminals first, Well, when the governor refuses

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<v Speaker 6>to allow ICE into the prisons to get the criminals,

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<v Speaker 6>it forces them to go in the community. And they

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<v Speaker 6>plainly stated, if we have to go in the community,

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<v Speaker 6>anybody we find with these people are going to.

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<v Speaker 3>That's just the result of non.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh well that actually makes some sense, but it happens

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<v Speaker 2>not to be true. I don't know if you Newsom

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<v Speaker 2>said he's going to continue allowing the state prison system

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<v Speaker 2>to cooperate with ICE. So when you say, well, if

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<v Speaker 2>the governor would just let the ICE agents into the prisons,

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<v Speaker 2>we wouldn't have this problem with people going by a

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<v Speaker 2>home depot. Well, he's been quite vocal about the fact

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<v Speaker 2>that ICE and the prison system in California will cooperate

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<v Speaker 2>with each other. And finally there is this let me

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<v Speaker 2>find this talk back which was just left here.

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<v Speaker 7>So good to hear Mark Thompson, love you, love you,

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<v Speaker 7>love you, love you love you on Tuesdays.

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<v Speaker 2>With Conway and I want to stop this for a second.

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<v Speaker 2>Why can't we have more like this Ritchie. This is

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<v Speaker 2>a very good talk back.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's have him keep him coming. I am very hit

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<v Speaker 3>that talk back. I'd like to hit this talk back.

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<v Speaker 3>Play this every maybe seven or eight minutes on this show.

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<v Speaker 7>You hear Mark Thompson love You, love you, love you,

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<v Speaker 7>love you, love you, love you. You had a huge

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<v Speaker 7>more of a presence on air on love.

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<v Speaker 3>You all from that was big, big fan love your work.

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<v Speaker 2>I got love you, love you, love you, love you,

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<v Speaker 2>and then another thing and then love you.

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<v Speaker 3>That was like huge six love you. That's more love

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<v Speaker 3>yous and I've got on a whole year.

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<v Speaker 2>If I love love you on Sundays, I really thank you, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>thank you anonymous person.

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<v Speaker 3>So we play it back again, No, no, we should not.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I must tell you though, if you're headed

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<v Speaker 2>to the beach and it did feel like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we're getting into clearly some beach days, there is a bizarre,

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<v Speaker 2>I consider it truly bizarre warning about the latest threat

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<v Speaker 2>safety threat associated with going to the beach. Usually you

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<v Speaker 2>associate going to the beach and those kind of safety

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<v Speaker 2>warnings with what riptide is like one of the big

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<v Speaker 2>ones to me anyway, sharks right. You know, there's also

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<v Speaker 2>theft on the beach. I mean this kind of thing,

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<v Speaker 2>but this is a threat to your physical person that

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<v Speaker 2>emerges from beach umbrellas.

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<v Speaker 8>A picturesque day on the Jersey Shore, beach goers taking

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<v Speaker 8>cover from the hot summer sun.

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<v Speaker 9>All shattered in a moment.

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<v Speaker 3>The um in the rough, aren't it?

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<v Speaker 8>After a nineteen year old lifeguard in Asbury Park was

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<v Speaker 8>stabbed by her own beach umbrella.

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<v Speaker 3>I gotten tailed by the umbrella.

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<v Speaker 8>First responders rushing to the scene, power tools in hand.

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<v Speaker 3>They need that band fall for sure.

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<v Speaker 7>Here they cut the umbrella on both ends so they

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<v Speaker 7>couldn't move that part of it.

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<v Speaker 9>It was pretty ugly, but I said, I think she's

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<v Speaker 9>gonna be fine.

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<v Speaker 2>For her.

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<v Speaker 8>It's a story all too familiar Forred Quigley.

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<v Speaker 10>An umbrella is a javelin with a sale attached ed.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, never in a million years that I can see.

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<v Speaker 2>We've all seen. All of us have seen umbrellas blowing

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<v Speaker 2>down the beach, right and and I guess we know

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<v Speaker 2>that the implied threat, But I never thought of it

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<v Speaker 2>as like a jablin that potentially could spear someone. I

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<v Speaker 9>Happened, tory all too familiar for d Quigley.

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<v Speaker 10>An umbrella is a javelin with a sail attached.

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<v Speaker 8>Ed nearly died after being struck in the eye by

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<v Speaker 8>a rope. Beach umbrella twenty fifteen in brain surgery.

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<v Speaker 1>I died on the operating table.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, are you kidding me?

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<v Speaker 2>This guy was speared in the eye by a beach

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<v Speaker 2>umbrella and he went intobate brain surgery involving dying on

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<v Speaker 3>This is an extraordinary story.

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<v Speaker 9>Beach umbrella twenty fifteen.

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<v Speaker 10>In brain surgery. I died on the operating table. Took

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<v Speaker 10>them twenty three minutes and seven cycles with the shock

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<v Speaker 10>paddles bring me back.

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<v Speaker 8>Since that day, he's made it his mission to improve

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<v Speaker 8>beach umbrella safety. Everyone's just shocked that this is a

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<v Speaker 8>thing that happened so regularly.

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<v Speaker 10>I think the first question to ask is did you

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<v Speaker 10>ever see an umbrella blowing down the beach? Everyone has, Well,

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<v Speaker 10>everyone's seen it, then everyone's been in a potential danger situation.

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<v Speaker 8>Now, as installing these warning signs at beaches up and

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<v Speaker 8>coining beachgoers.

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<v Speaker 2>to just say this speaking of my life is a

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<v Speaker 2>kid at Wildwood Beaches. My mom, she grew up in

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<v Speaker 2>would hoard like sugar packets from United Airlines. It was incredible,

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<v Speaker 2>and I mean, I'm just kind of our life was

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<v Speaker 2>informed by you know, my mother really not wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>but she really grew up with nothing, so it was

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<v Speaker 2>kind of anyway, My point is on the beach at Wildwood,

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<v Speaker 2>this very beach, she would not ever dream about renting

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<v Speaker 2>an umbrella. It was two dollars. I mean, she would

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<v Speaker 2>sun and begging her to get an umbrella. Nope, never

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<v Speaker 2>even take a meeting on it. But wow, the idea

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<v Speaker 2>that these umbrellas could blow down the beach and they

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<v Speaker 2>could do the kind of damage that that guy was

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<v Speaker 3>It's really truting.

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<v Speaker 8>Like here in wild Wood New Jersey, pointing beachgoers to

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<v Speaker 8>a new voluntary safety standard for beach umbrellas from the

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<v Speaker 8>Consumer Product Safety Commission.

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<v Speaker 10>So, over two years they tested beach umbrellas on beaches

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<v Speaker 10>and in wind tunnels and develop the scientific data to say,

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<v Speaker 10>this is what you need to keep an umbrella secure.

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<v Speaker 10>And basically what it is is an anchor device that

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<v Speaker 10>provides seventy five pounds of resistance to lift.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I was gonna suggest, Richie. I literally was

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<v Speaker 2>gonna say, why do they just put weights on the

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<v Speaker 2>bottom of it. I don't know, but they're already on it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>all right. Meanwhile, if you go to the beach, do

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<v Speaker 2>be careful. You could end up like that guy in

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<v Speaker 2>the or and in brain surgery. Very well sourced that story.

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<v Speaker 2>That was a surprise to me. Thank you, producer, Richie.

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<v Speaker 3>You're welcome. Yeah, when we come back.

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<v Speaker 2>A crypto investment scheme revealed right here in southern California.

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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to KFI AM six forty on demand.

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<v Speaker 2>The operator and employee of a Bellflower financial services company

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<v Speaker 2>accused of allegedly stealing more than a million dollars, mostly

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<v Speaker 2>low income victims. It was a fraudulent crypto investment scheme.

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<v Speaker 2>Two people again the operator and then the employee of

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<v Speaker 2>this financial services company in Bellflower, Jone Rios of Rancho

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<v Speaker 2>Cucamonga and Erwin Kavas of thirty five of Norwalk. Those

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<v Speaker 2>are the two thirty felon accounts involving grand theft. There's

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<v Speaker 2>also a forgery and another felon account with bouncing checks.

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<v Speaker 2>But between twenty twenty and twenty twenty two, the two

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<v Speaker 2>of them operated this scheme under the guise of a

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<v Speaker 2>cryptocurrency mining business. This is what is alleged. The cryptocurrency

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<v Speaker 2>mining business was known as Zukra Platform Corporation. Now this

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<v Speaker 2>is what they say. This Zukray Platform Corporation was claiming

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<v Speaker 2>they were going to install, maintain, and operate computing equipment

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<v Speaker 2>to mine crypto. You know, crypto is this thing where

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<v Speaker 2>its computations and computers and the more you mine it,

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<v Speaker 2>the more you have. So if you can actually set

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<v Speaker 2>up your computer to mine crypto, you can. Essentially it's

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<v Speaker 2>almost like a printing press for money. But the company

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<v Speaker 2>had no installation, maintenance, or operation of any computing equipment

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<v Speaker 2>to mind cryptocurrency, and they were not a registered business

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<v Speaker 2>in California, according to prosecutors, So the people who were

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<v Speaker 2>operating this allegedly fraudulent business tried to get victims through

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<v Speaker 2>their existing financial services business. And you know, you guys

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<v Speaker 2>are already here, you're going through all these other steps

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<v Speaker 2>to handle your finances investments. We've got something for you.

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<v Speaker 2>We have this company, Zukra, and you should be part

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<v Speaker 2>of that. So they also had them obtain high limit

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<v Speaker 2>credit cards loans, and they were using the loan oftentimes

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<v Speaker 2>to help them apply to pay into this scheme. Again,

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<v Speaker 2>this is all alleged by the District Attorney's office. They've

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<v Speaker 2>just leveled these charges against these two people from Bellflower.

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<v Speaker 2>So they say they told victims that the investments were

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<v Speaker 2>risk free, guaranteed and protected by insurance. They said to

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<v Speaker 2>these clients again, quote, clients, here are written contracts. You're

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<v Speaker 2>going to download this mobile app, this Zoukre mobile app,

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<v Speaker 2>and the mobile app's going to show you all the

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<v Speaker 2>ongoing profits from your investments. You know, again, all this

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<v Speaker 2>crypto that is accumulating while you sleep, You're getting rich.

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<v Speaker 3>They're saying.

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<v Speaker 2>Individual investments range from forty five hundred dollars to two

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and eighty thousand dollars, and despite repeated a hemps,

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<v Speaker 2>none of the victims got any returns whatsoever. The whole

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<v Speaker 2>thing was a fraudulent scheme and there were no ways

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<v Speaker 2>in which they could even recover their principal investments, so

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<v Speaker 2>they lost everything in addition to gaining nothing. Prosecutors are

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<v Speaker 2>asking that bay will be set for each defendant at

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<v Speaker 2>six hundred thousand dollars. If they are convicted, they could

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<v Speaker 2>get what would you guess what should they get?

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<v Speaker 3>In your view, the answer is twenty three years.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that well, you know me, I'm tough on

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<v Speaker 2>law and order.

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<v Speaker 3>Man.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry you defraud people of that kind of money

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<v Speaker 2>with that sort of BS story, you deserve to go away.

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<v Speaker 2>So they're going after these people hard. From the LA

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<v Speaker 2>District Attorney Nathan Hawkman comes this statement. My office will

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<v Speaker 2>not tolerate financial predators who purport to offer legitimate services

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<v Speaker 2>but instead offer lies and devastating financial loss. Let me

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<v Speaker 2>be clear, if you steal from our communities, whether in

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<v Speaker 2>the streets or through sophisticated investment or cryptos schemes, we

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<v Speaker 2>will find you hold you accountable to the fullest extent

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<v Speaker 2>of the law. So again, that's a court case that's

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<v Speaker 2>being adjudicated, but that is the very latest. When we

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<v Speaker 2>come back, there is a notable loss. I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>if you'll know the name, but once I tell you

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<v Speaker 2>the name, actually you'll put together the puzzle pieces and

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<v Speaker 2>you may very well know the name. And then I'll

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<v Speaker 2>kick open the door to everything this guy was all about.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll get to that next.

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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to KFI AM six forty on demand.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks everybody who is contributing today's show. The talkback feature

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<v Speaker 2>is always fun, and Richie just came in here with

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<v Speaker 2>another handful of talk pers. I think this is maybe

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<v Speaker 2>related to the ice raids. Let's see, it's a.

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<v Speaker 11>Hi, justin from West Covina.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think that the raids are fair.

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<v Speaker 11>Basically, the government, federal and state have let them all

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<v Speaker 11>come here for decades, and now they all of a

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<v Speaker 11>sudden want to reverse that. No, they let them in,

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<v Speaker 11>it's their fault, so now they need to make a

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<v Speaker 11>way for them to become legal after working.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you know, he's not wrong, and the reality

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<v Speaker 2>is there are a lot of ways to make this work.

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<v Speaker 2>But the way that they're going about it, I think

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<v Speaker 2>is just it's nonsensical. I mean, when you pick up

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<v Speaker 2>a guy who's in his fifties, who has three kids,

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<v Speaker 2>he's a gardener. Okay, you've seen this, and the guy

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<v Speaker 2>was running with the weed whacker from them. He was

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<v Speaker 2>just he's holding this with Let's just be fair about

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<v Speaker 2>what it was. He's just being chased by these Ice

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<v Speaker 2>agents and anyway, we'll leave let's just call it.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll leave it at that. Just describe it that way.

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<v Speaker 2>He's got three kids, all of them you know, serving

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<v Speaker 2>in the military. Yeah, three veterans. His stay here in

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<v Speaker 2>this country has been over decades. Now, all of a

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<v Speaker 2>sudden he's being deported. He's been then. I mean, he

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<v Speaker 2>had the stuffing beaten out of him. And I'd suggest

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<v Speaker 2>that this guy who just came in on the talkback

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<v Speaker 2>is right. I mean, this is quite sudden. Trump could

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<v Speaker 2>be a hero if you would bring back something like

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<v Speaker 2>the Brossero program, which was designed to accommodate workers that

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<v Speaker 2>come here in all of these different professions. It was

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<v Speaker 2>really Brossero, I think was focused mostly on aggregate culture.

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<v Speaker 2>But the idea was that you're allowing these immigrants to

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<v Speaker 2>come here understanding that they are in work programs, agriculture,

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<v Speaker 2>you could have it anything, agriculture, car wash, landscaping, construction,

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<v Speaker 2>whatever you want. All of a sudden you are able

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<v Speaker 2>to track everybody, and everybody's still able to provide for

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<v Speaker 2>their families in the ways in which they likely arrived

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<v Speaker 2>in this country to begin with. That's just a thought

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<v Speaker 2>as an aside. I mean, that's just you know, that's

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<v Speaker 2>not even working through lunch, that idea. It's already existed.

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<v Speaker 2>The PRASCO program was discontinued in the sixties.

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<v Speaker 3>I think.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, I think something has to be worked out. It's

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<v Speaker 2>not working the way they have it. What else there was? Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>on the beach umbrella this is we had a story

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<v Speaker 2>if you're just joining us. Apparently beach umbrellas, if they're

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<v Speaker 2>blown down the beach can literally kill people. And so

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<v Speaker 2>there are these advisories now on beaches coast to coast

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<v Speaker 2>saying be very careful with the umbrella stand and making

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<v Speaker 2>sure that it's secure in the sand. So this on

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<v Speaker 2>the Attack of the Beach Umbrellas, so coming to.

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<v Speaker 8>A theater near you.

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<v Speaker 9>Attack of the Killer Beach Umbrellas.

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<v Speaker 7>Yes, narrated by Mark Thomas.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh I like it already yes, attack of the beach umbrellas.

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<v Speaker 2>You worried about a riptide, you worried about a tsunami,

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<v Speaker 2>You even worried about sharks. What you really should worry

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<v Speaker 2>about is attack of the beach umbrellas.

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<v Speaker 5>Coming to a theater near you.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, thank you, and finally there were is this.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's a Mark.

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<v Speaker 6>I love you also, and I've always enjoyed your very

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<v Speaker 6>common sense reporting.

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<v Speaker 7>You're a great voice at KFI.

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<v Speaker 3>No, that's right.

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<v Speaker 7>Against the storm of sometimes not great political views are

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<v Speaker 7>ones that I don't necessarily agree with.

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<v Speaker 3>But I have feelings of love for.

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<v Speaker 7>What you do.

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<v Speaker 5>Mark.

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<v Speaker 4>I love, I appreciate you, and I glad to hear.

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<v Speaker 3>You have love and appreciation for you.

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<v Speaker 2>I take that love and appreciation, I reflect it back

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<v Speaker 2>and enhance it.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>I love this self serving segment, Ritchie, It's perfect. I

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<v Speaker 2>love it. A self aggrandizing few minutes. I wish you

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<v Speaker 2>could do a full two hours of just self aggrandizement.

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<v Speaker 2>There was a notable passing. John Robbins has passed away.

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<v Speaker 2>The reason I mentioned to you before you might know

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<v Speaker 2>his name is because you know the name Baskin and

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<v Speaker 2>Robin's and that ice cream Empire is part of John

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<v Speaker 2>Robbin's history. He's an heir to that Baskin Robbin's fortune,

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<v Speaker 2>but he rejected the family business and wrote a seminal book,

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<v Speaker 2>a cornerstone book advocating plant based nutrition. He was a

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<v Speaker 2>big one of environmentalism, animal rights. And he just died

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<v Speaker 2>here in California with seventy seven. His son and collaborator,

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<v Speaker 2>Ocean Robbins I get his newsletter regularly, said that the

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<v Speaker 2>cause of his father's death was complications from a post

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<v Speaker 2>polio syndrome that resulted in muscle weakness and other symptoms,

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<v Speaker 2>nearly seven decades after he originally got polio as a boy.

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<v Speaker 2>His book, and this is the thing. His book is

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<v Speaker 2>very famous. It's called Diet for a New America. It

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<v Speaker 2>was published in nineteen eighty seven, and it sold more

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<v Speaker 2>than a million copies. And it drew a link between

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<v Speaker 2>heavy consumption of animal based products and the increased risk

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<v Speaker 2>of chronic illnesses like heart disease and obesity. It looked

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<v Speaker 2>at environmental damage caused by factory farming. It raised ethical

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<v Speaker 2>questions about the treatment of animals in confined conditions. So

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<v Speaker 2>you can see maybe why I like it because you

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<v Speaker 2>kind of know where the way I lean on the

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<v Speaker 2>environment and on animal welfare. But you can see also

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<v Speaker 2>how it might have a broader audience because he spoke

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<v Speaker 2>a very common sense message. The message was that the healthiest,

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<v Speaker 2>tastiest and most nourishing way to eat is also the

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<v Speaker 2>most economic and most compassionate and least polluting way to eat.

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<v Speaker 2>That was Diet for a New America, John Robbins. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>he was, and he's compared this way. He's compared to

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<v Speaker 2>Rachel Carson. She's the one who wrote that book Silent Spring,

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<v Speaker 2>that warned about how the unlimited use of agricultural pesticides

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<v Speaker 2>like DDT had contaminated the soil, the water, threatened the

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<v Speaker 2>health of wildlife humans, and that created the modern environmental

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<v Speaker 2>movement that was Rachel Carson's book Silent Spring. This book,

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<v Speaker 2>Diet for a New America is sort of the equivalent,

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<v Speaker 2>and through the years, food writers have described this book,

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<v Speaker 2>Diet for a New America as groundbreaking, the bible of

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<v Speaker 2>the anti meat campaign.

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<v Speaker 3>And I get it. I'm not on a jihad. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>you eat anywhere you want.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just telling you why this person was of significance.

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<v Speaker 2>Paul McCartney read his book, totally changed the way that

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<v Speaker 2>he looked at factory farming, and he looked at as

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<v Speaker 2>McCartney said, compassion and respect for life, the earth, and

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<v Speaker 2>how much better off our world will be. But he

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<v Speaker 2>got criticism. I mean, he was not as you might

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<v Speaker 2>imagine whenever you're pitching this to a nation that's really

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<v Speaker 2>not necessarily open to it.

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<v Speaker 3>He got a lot of static, you know. But I'll

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<v Speaker 3>tell you why.

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<v Speaker 2>I also respect him, or at least I think this

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<v Speaker 2>is a notable part of his bio as you look back,

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<v Speaker 2>is now his Obit is that he was offered a

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<v Speaker 2>bunch of money from this Baskin Robin's fortune. Again, he's

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<v Speaker 2>related to this Baskin Robin's empire, and he pushed back

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<v Speaker 2>on it because he didn't want that money, because of

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that it was the industrial dairy process that

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<v Speaker 2>created that fortune. And so at least, you know, you've

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<v Speaker 2>got to give the guy the courage of his convictions.

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<v Speaker 2>He very much lamented the way that cows are treated

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<v Speaker 2>in the dairy business, and how Baskin Robbins is an

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<v Speaker 2>ice cream company really was in a sense he looked

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<v Speaker 2>at it as blood money. So I think this is

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<v Speaker 2>an extraordinary guy, regardless of what you think of him

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<v Speaker 2>ultimately or you know, how you integrate his message or

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<v Speaker 2>don't integrate it into your life. But John Robbins, the grandfather,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry, the son of the originator, the founder of

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<v Speaker 2>Baskin Robbins, and the author of Diet for a New America.

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<v Speaker 2>John Robbins passes away here in California at the age

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<v Speaker 2>of seventy seven. There's nothing I like more than going

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<v Speaker 2>through a sad o bit, saying goodbye to someone who's

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<v Speaker 2>made a great contribution to society, finishing that sad oh bit,

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<v Speaker 2>and then pivoting immediately to the next host. And that's

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<v Speaker 2>exactly what I am going to do. Now do we

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<v Speaker 2>have there's no talkback?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Well then he's off the hook, all right, no

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<v Speaker 2>revn no no talkback. You don't have him raism on

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<v Speaker 2>the line. No, no, okay? Well it was fun. All right,

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks all for a great afternoon. I will see you

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<v Speaker 2>soon and if you have a moment, you can check

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<v Speaker 2>out my show Daily Live Show on YouTube, The Mark

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<v Speaker 2>Thompson Show. Oh and I'll be here through Kofi this

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<v Speaker 2>week too, doing the Cobalt Show. I'm looking forward to

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<v Speaker 2>that as well. Ah, you're not really rid of me.

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<v Speaker 1>Kf I am six forty on demand