WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.680 --> 00:00:02.919 This is doctor Wendy Walsh and you're listening to KFI 2 00:00:03.080 --> 00:00:05.960 AM six forty The Doctor Wendy wallsh Show on demand 3 00:00:06.280 --> 00:00:09.119 on the iHeartRadio app. Welcome back to The Doctor Wendy 4 00:00:09.119 --> 00:00:12.720 Wall Show on KFI AM six forty. My guest doctor 5 00:00:12.759 --> 00:00:16.480 Anthony Reading, psychologist and UCLA professor, an expert on trauma. 6 00:00:16.760 --> 00:00:20.960 We've been talking about what happens when someone deals with 7 00:00:21.000 --> 00:00:23.960 this kind of trauma. Doctor Redding, you know, I'm sorry. 8 00:00:23.960 --> 00:00:26.000 I know I'm asking you to relive it again, but 9 00:00:26.359 --> 00:00:28.719 you know you have lost your own home in this, 10 00:00:28.839 --> 00:00:32.240 so you are literally in the trauma that you have 11 00:00:32.359 --> 00:00:36.240 researched and reported on for most of your lifetime. Now 12 00:00:36.280 --> 00:00:40.240 that you are experiencing it, is it what you imagined? 13 00:00:41.039 --> 00:00:43.359 Well, I didn't imagine it the all. 14 00:00:44.759 --> 00:00:45.119 I can. 15 00:00:47.640 --> 00:00:52.240 It comes in waves and the reliving it comes in ways. 16 00:00:52.359 --> 00:00:58.880 Certain times, and many people will experience waking or having 17 00:00:58.880 --> 00:01:02.920 a dream where they think what happened didn't happen and 18 00:01:03.000 --> 00:01:07.799 everything is intact, and they wake up and regainful consciousness 19 00:01:07.920 --> 00:01:10.480 and realizing was in the dream and that shock and 20 00:01:10.560 --> 00:01:18.599 then return. I myself use writing to process. I wanted 21 00:01:18.640 --> 00:01:23.799 to capture my last few hours in the house because 22 00:01:23.840 --> 00:01:27.040 over time those memories will become in the stinct and 23 00:01:27.120 --> 00:01:31.439 I wanted to lay down a memory of what it 24 00:01:31.480 --> 00:01:32.000 felt like. 25 00:01:33.799 --> 00:01:34.480 To be there. 26 00:01:35.040 --> 00:01:37.319 So would you recommend that to people that they write 27 00:01:37.319 --> 00:01:40.760 the memories of their home, even what it looked like. 28 00:01:41.120 --> 00:01:44.400 And should they be looking at photographs of the phone 29 00:01:44.439 --> 00:01:45.400 could of their home? 30 00:01:45.480 --> 00:01:46.560 Would that be a treatment? 31 00:01:48.560 --> 00:01:50.959 It could be. You know, I lived in that home 32 00:01:51.000 --> 00:01:53.799 for thirty years and designed the home it was built. 33 00:01:53.920 --> 00:01:59.480 I had very special memories my whole life in America 34 00:01:59.640 --> 00:02:05.400 in that home. There's no one set formula. I think 35 00:02:05.640 --> 00:02:12.199 it's important not to spend. It's to resume a lifestyle 36 00:02:12.240 --> 00:02:15.520 even though it change as much as possible, gain social support. 37 00:02:16.639 --> 00:02:24.439 Look at how both with grief that helpful or constructive. 38 00:02:24.520 --> 00:02:28.520 We can both visit negative memories and sense of loss 39 00:02:28.520 --> 00:02:31.639 and also positive memories, and people should be aware of 40 00:02:31.680 --> 00:02:36.520 their memories and associations are uniformly negative and that a 41 00:02:36.680 --> 00:02:41.280 sign that there may be encroaching depression, which we want 42 00:02:41.360 --> 00:02:43.680 to stress as well in treat if that's the case. 43 00:02:43.759 --> 00:02:44.879 Earlier on, can. 44 00:02:44.759 --> 00:02:50.199 We talk about early symptoms of trauma versus longer, more 45 00:02:50.280 --> 00:02:55.000 chronic symptoms or even delayed symptoms that present later. Can 46 00:02:55.159 --> 00:02:57.560 you help people understand the distinction between those. 47 00:02:58.879 --> 00:03:01.719 Well, certainly people can be in denial or they can 48 00:03:02.280 --> 00:03:08.439 have a like in congruous aspects this sort of trauma, 49 00:03:10.000 --> 00:03:13.319 people need to process it in different ways, but not 50 00:03:14.159 --> 00:03:19.800 allow them to indulph in to resume some modicum of lifestyle, 51 00:03:20.039 --> 00:03:25.599 engaging with others, looking at ways of reconstituting, re establishing 52 00:03:25.639 --> 00:03:26.319 their lives. 53 00:03:26.759 --> 00:03:28.520 If they have it, can still go. 54 00:03:28.560 --> 00:03:30.080 To work, that's helpful. 55 00:03:30.159 --> 00:03:34.639 If they can resume their prior lifestyle, childcare, whatever it is, 56 00:03:35.199 --> 00:03:36.280 that's going to be helpful. 57 00:03:38.960 --> 00:03:41.759 Spoke yes, I'm sorry to interrupt. 58 00:03:41.800 --> 00:03:44.639 I spoke with one woman today who got a call 59 00:03:44.719 --> 00:03:47.360 from the owner of the Plate studio that she worked 60 00:03:47.360 --> 00:03:49.560 out with regularly, and they said, will you come back 61 00:03:49.560 --> 00:03:52.120 in and she said, I can't. I don't have any 62 00:03:52.120 --> 00:03:54.840 plates clothes, I don't have any exercise clothes. And they said, 63 00:03:55.439 --> 00:03:59.000 just come stay on your schedule, we'll get you the clothes, 64 00:03:59.000 --> 00:04:01.680 and that when she got there where everyone had donated 65 00:04:02.080 --> 00:04:04.479 new stuff for her so that she can maintain at 66 00:04:04.560 --> 00:04:07.759 least her exercise routine. So this is what you're talking about, 67 00:04:07.759 --> 00:04:11.319 trying to maintain the routines that you can because it 68 00:04:11.360 --> 00:04:14.199 gives some sense of control. 69 00:04:15.280 --> 00:04:19.000 Yes, control and resuming one's life, and of course that 70 00:04:19.600 --> 00:04:24.319 exposes one positive experience. It's particularly exercise, larity, giogo, meditation. 71 00:04:24.800 --> 00:04:27.399 Those are all helpful both in terms of the social 72 00:04:27.399 --> 00:04:31.279 support the fact is positive, but also there's a therapeutic 73 00:04:31.360 --> 00:04:37.079 in terms of downregulating arousal which occurs in stress loss 74 00:04:37.120 --> 00:04:41.680 and trauma. That arousal needs to be dissipated and that's important. 75 00:04:42.360 --> 00:04:47.480 So sleep is important, being able to sleep, exercise, not 76 00:04:47.560 --> 00:04:52.519 outside with the air quality once again, doing what one can, diet, 77 00:04:53.439 --> 00:04:56.439 resuming things that one did before, even though it may 78 00:04:56.519 --> 00:05:03.959 seem different. Of course the quality the mood associated may 79 00:05:04.000 --> 00:05:04.759 be variable. 80 00:05:05.560 --> 00:05:10.519 And you talk about protecting young children from parents anguish. 81 00:05:10.560 --> 00:05:12.000 How can parents do that. 82 00:05:14.000 --> 00:05:18.959 Well, not to ignore it, certainly, to express their own feelings, 83 00:05:19.000 --> 00:05:23.920 but to comfort the child by reassuring them that things 84 00:05:23.959 --> 00:05:29.160 will recover, by getting the children back to what they're 85 00:05:29.240 --> 00:05:35.079 used to doing, however different it may be, showing that 86 00:05:35.160 --> 00:05:39.680 everything's going to be all right. It's very important, and 87 00:05:39.759 --> 00:05:44.040 also enabling the child to talk, not having the child 88 00:05:44.079 --> 00:05:48.879 protect the parents because they feel a certain spects in 89 00:05:49.160 --> 00:05:52.439 discussing anything because they see their parents distressed. 90 00:05:54.000 --> 00:05:56.920 Yes, I loved one of bits of advice that I 91 00:05:56.959 --> 00:06:00.639 saw that you gave online, that parents should be cuddling 92 00:06:00.720 --> 00:06:05.759 their children, validating their feelings, cuddling with pets, whatever we 93 00:06:05.879 --> 00:06:09.319 need to be together in this time. It's brilliant advice, 94 00:06:09.920 --> 00:06:12.959 Doctor Redding. I know you're gonna hear it from thousands 95 00:06:13.000 --> 00:06:16.600 of people. My heart goes out to you, having lost 96 00:06:16.639 --> 00:06:20.399 your home. I do hope that you are surrounded yourself 97 00:06:20.439 --> 00:06:23.439 with people, family and friends and loved ones who can 98 00:06:23.560 --> 00:06:26.319 make you laugh from time to time as your brain 99 00:06:26.879 --> 00:06:31.160 works through this terrible, terrible event. Thanks for being with us, 100 00:06:31.639 --> 00:06:34.399 Thank you very much. Web You're listening to the Doctor 101 00:06:34.399 --> 00:06:37.639 Wendy Walls Show on KFI AM six forty Live everywhere 102 00:06:37.680 --> 00:06:38.920 on the iHeartRadio app. 103 00:06:40.000 --> 00:06:44.240 You're listening to Doctor Wendy Walsh on demand from KFI 104 00:06:44.439 --> 00:06:47.279 AM six forty Welcome back to. 105 00:06:47.279 --> 00:06:50.199 The Doctor Wendy Walls Show on KFI AM six forty 106 00:06:50.240 --> 00:06:54.240 Live everywhere on the iHeartRadio App. I never thought I 107 00:06:54.279 --> 00:06:58.480 would be saying that, Thank goodness, Chef Jose Andres and 108 00:06:58.560 --> 00:07:03.600 his World Central Kitchen is helping people in my own city. 109 00:07:03.720 --> 00:07:07.519 I see them in Ukraine, I see them in Afghanistan. 110 00:07:07.879 --> 00:07:11.759 I see them at Hurricane Katrina. I mean I see 111 00:07:11.800 --> 00:07:15.720 them at big disaster zones, and here is his amazing 112 00:07:15.800 --> 00:07:19.000 work here in Los Angeles. For those of you who 113 00:07:19.120 --> 00:07:23.279 are displaced, especially in the Altadena area, I just want 114 00:07:23.279 --> 00:07:26.519 to let you know that the world famous chef Chef 115 00:07:26.600 --> 00:07:30.759 Jose Andres, whose charity World Central Kitchen shows up in 116 00:07:30.800 --> 00:07:34.839 disaster scenes to feed people, is doing it here. Rose 117 00:07:34.879 --> 00:07:38.439 Bowl lot F from five thirty to nine, serving dinner 118 00:07:38.480 --> 00:07:41.360 every night for free if you are in need. Saint 119 00:07:41.399 --> 00:07:45.160 Francis School in La Kenyata, Flintridge from noon to five. 120 00:07:45.279 --> 00:07:48.920 That's where you can get your lunch. Arco on Fair 121 00:07:49.000 --> 00:07:53.399 Oaks Avenue and East Woodbury Road in Altadena from one 122 00:07:53.480 --> 00:07:56.800 pm to five pm every day, at a Jack in 123 00:07:56.839 --> 00:08:00.319 the Box on North Windsor Avenue in Altadena from five 124 00:08:00.439 --> 00:08:03.959 thirty pm to ten pm. And a Pasadena City College 125 00:08:04.000 --> 00:08:08.920 on Colorado Boulevard from five pm until nine pm. There's 126 00:08:08.959 --> 00:08:13.720 something so important about food, and of course Chef Jose 127 00:08:13.839 --> 00:08:18.560 Andres will say that it is the politician's who actually 128 00:08:18.639 --> 00:08:21.240 have to do the long term work. It's not just 129 00:08:21.319 --> 00:08:23.519 about a meal. Today, let's take a listen. 130 00:08:24.040 --> 00:08:29.160 We need to remember that we cannot leave these communities forgotten. 131 00:08:30.040 --> 00:08:32.879 Obviously everybody has to remember them. We need to find 132 00:08:32.879 --> 00:08:35.480 ways so they can start reconstruction. And obviously when we 133 00:08:35.480 --> 00:08:38.559 talk about the federal government, that's where the Fed government 134 00:08:38.559 --> 00:08:40.360 plays a big role. We need to make sure that 135 00:08:40.399 --> 00:08:43.279 the people that lost their jobs, probably for weeks a month, 136 00:08:43.320 --> 00:08:44.919 they are not going to have an income, that we 137 00:08:45.000 --> 00:08:47.200 take care of those people. This is the type of 138 00:08:47.240 --> 00:08:49.919 things we need to make sure that our politicians on 139 00:08:49.919 --> 00:08:52.240 one side under the other they're going to start arguing 140 00:08:52.240 --> 00:08:55.720 on fingerpointing, but working with a smart policy so in 141 00:08:55.720 --> 00:08:58.519 these events we can make sure that people are taking 142 00:08:58.559 --> 00:09:02.759 care of is what Wis and Drogitchen does be. Next 143 00:09:02.799 --> 00:09:05.879 to the people, we activated one hour after the fires began, 144 00:09:06.000 --> 00:09:09.320 because unfortunately, we have a lot of experience in fires 145 00:09:09.360 --> 00:09:12.320 and a lot of team members in LA and as 146 00:09:12.320 --> 00:09:15.559 we saw that the fires keep growings, we keep adding 147 00:09:15.600 --> 00:09:18.840 more team members, more food trucks, and we're feeding people 148 00:09:18.879 --> 00:09:22.519 in shelters, we're feeding first responders, we are adapting because 149 00:09:22.600 --> 00:09:25.720 the situation keeps evolving there by day, and we are 150 00:09:25.720 --> 00:09:30.120 in every community, in every shelter or in the places 151 00:09:30.159 --> 00:09:33.720 where the fire trucks gather to make sure that everybody 152 00:09:33.799 --> 00:09:34.840 is receiving food and water. 153 00:09:35.960 --> 00:09:40.759 Speaking of food, it is much more than feeding the stomach. 154 00:09:41.240 --> 00:09:46.480 It is nurturing the soul. My next guest, celebrity chef 155 00:09:46.720 --> 00:09:51.720 Katie Chin, joins us. Katie, are you safe? Have you evacuated? 156 00:09:51.799 --> 00:09:54.759 First of all, we are safe. 157 00:09:54.840 --> 00:09:58.600 Luckily, we did a little mini evacuation Friday, even though 158 00:09:58.600 --> 00:10:01.279 we weren't in the evacuation because our kids were scared. 159 00:10:01.480 --> 00:10:04.519 But we made it back to our home and Fino, 160 00:10:04.639 --> 00:10:06.639 so we are safe and healthy. Well, you were. 161 00:10:06.559 --> 00:10:08.840 Close enough, you were like a mile away from the 162 00:10:08.840 --> 00:10:09.799 evacuation zone. 163 00:10:09.799 --> 00:10:13.120 It would make me go to Yeah, I mean, I 164 00:10:13.200 --> 00:10:14.440 just think better to be safe. 165 00:10:14.240 --> 00:10:15.480 And sorry exactly. 166 00:10:16.919 --> 00:10:19.559 Let's talk a little bit about food and the healing 167 00:10:19.639 --> 00:10:23.320 power of food. I know you are so generous with 168 00:10:23.399 --> 00:10:27.960 your craft, having donated your services to so many charities, 169 00:10:28.000 --> 00:10:32.039 including the Saint Joseph Center here in Los Angeles. What 170 00:10:32.399 --> 00:10:36.360 is it about food and feeding that becomes so important 171 00:10:36.440 --> 00:10:37.279 during a disaster. 172 00:10:39.159 --> 00:10:42.159 Well, it's a way for communities to come together. We 173 00:10:42.279 --> 00:10:45.240 still all need to eat, we need to be nourished. 174 00:10:45.559 --> 00:10:49.960 It's a way for people to you know, visit with 175 00:10:50.039 --> 00:10:54.200 their neighbors. This horrible disaster is happening. But we need 176 00:10:54.840 --> 00:10:57.240 the love and support of our friends. But what better 177 00:10:57.279 --> 00:11:00.480 way to do that than to cook together and eat together. 178 00:11:00.559 --> 00:11:03.559 Not only that, where you're feeling stressed and anxiety, it's 179 00:11:03.720 --> 00:11:08.519 very important that you eat foods, healthy foods loaded with antioxidants. 180 00:11:09.240 --> 00:11:11.519 Don't eat a bunch of you know, funch fries and 181 00:11:11.679 --> 00:11:14.039 I mean, it's okay once in a while, but it's 182 00:11:14.120 --> 00:11:17.000 very important that we really fill our bodies with nutritious 183 00:11:17.000 --> 00:11:19.919 foods because that's definitely going to help with serotonin and 184 00:11:20.039 --> 00:11:21.279 help us calm down. 185 00:11:21.559 --> 00:11:21.919 Oops. 186 00:11:21.960 --> 00:11:23.559 You mean all the carbs I've been eating in the 187 00:11:23.639 --> 00:11:25.200 last week not a good thing. 188 00:11:25.279 --> 00:11:28.080 Like I said, so once in a while, I'm. 189 00:11:27.919 --> 00:11:29.279 Calling it comfort food. 190 00:11:30.120 --> 00:11:34.399 You know, Chef Katie Chin, I have had the honor 191 00:11:34.519 --> 00:11:37.360 of attending your one woman show that's played at the 192 00:11:37.399 --> 00:11:40.879 Whitefire Theater and the Santa Monica Playhouse. And what's interesting 193 00:11:41.039 --> 00:11:45.559 about your show is that it talks about intergenerational family trauma, 194 00:11:45.600 --> 00:11:49.039 but in every scene there is this theme of food. 195 00:11:49.879 --> 00:11:54.399 Would you care to share how in your life, cooking 196 00:11:54.480 --> 00:11:58.720 with your mother was the go to place whenever there 197 00:11:58.879 --> 00:11:59.519 was trauma. 198 00:12:01.279 --> 00:12:04.039 Well, you know, it really became a love language for 199 00:12:04.159 --> 00:12:07.320 us and many you know, Chinese families and especially our 200 00:12:07.480 --> 00:12:10.360 love is shown through foods. Like I like to say, 201 00:12:10.360 --> 00:12:12.159 if I got all a's, I got a whole fish 202 00:12:12.159 --> 00:12:14.039 and black bean thoughts, if I got all bees, I 203 00:12:14.039 --> 00:12:18.600 got pork showing it was a way to communicate and 204 00:12:18.639 --> 00:12:22.600 to show love and also heal. Like I said, that 205 00:12:22.759 --> 00:12:26.360 was my mother's way of really showing us that she 206 00:12:26.480 --> 00:12:28.840 loved us, because she didn't necessarily have the tools to 207 00:12:28.919 --> 00:12:33.320 do that verbally. Also, it was very meditative me cooking 208 00:12:33.360 --> 00:12:37.120 together with my mother in the kitchen. So much was unsaid, 209 00:12:37.240 --> 00:12:39.360 so much was subtext. But if we got in the 210 00:12:39.440 --> 00:12:45.840 kitchen together and we were able to make dumplings, you know, mindfully, purposefully, 211 00:12:46.559 --> 00:12:50.519 it really we were really healing ourselves, you know. 212 00:12:50.559 --> 00:12:52.559 And I do want to say to those people out 213 00:12:52.600 --> 00:12:57.320 there who I'm sorry have lost your kitchens, this is 214 00:12:57.399 --> 00:13:00.919 your time to be cared for. This is your time 215 00:13:01.120 --> 00:13:05.679 to be served. So reach out to World Central Kitchen. 216 00:13:05.799 --> 00:13:09.600 Check their locations and their hours. There are volunteers and 217 00:13:09.679 --> 00:13:13.600 also jose Andres says there are volunteer chefs around the 218 00:13:13.720 --> 00:13:17.639 city who are standing on street corners making food for people. 219 00:13:18.279 --> 00:13:20.799 Google around see if you can find out where those 220 00:13:20.799 --> 00:13:25.039 places are because it's your turn. Now, it's your turn 221 00:13:25.080 --> 00:13:27.799 to be served and cared for, cared for by the 222 00:13:27.840 --> 00:13:32.120 city of Los Angeles, meaning it's citizens and people, and 223 00:13:32.279 --> 00:13:33.600 our heart goes out to you. 224 00:13:34.000 --> 00:13:34.360 Katie. 225 00:13:34.399 --> 00:13:37.600 What last words do you have for those who may 226 00:13:37.639 --> 00:13:41.639 not have a kitchen, who are sitting tonight wondering where 227 00:13:41.679 --> 00:13:43.879 their world is because they've lost their home. 228 00:13:45.919 --> 00:13:49.559 I would just say, you know, take advantage of the resources, 229 00:13:49.559 --> 00:13:52.799 the amazing work that jose Andres is doing, but reach 230 00:13:52.840 --> 00:13:56.320 out to a friend, ask for help. Everybody wants to 231 00:13:56.360 --> 00:14:01.360 serve in this time, so it's okay, you know, look 232 00:14:01.399 --> 00:14:04.480 for a friends and I guarantee you someone will bring 233 00:14:04.480 --> 00:14:06.120 you into your home and make you hot meal. 234 00:14:06.519 --> 00:14:08.360 Yeah, there's so many of us who are like, what 235 00:14:08.440 --> 00:14:11.000 can I do? What can I do? Please give us 236 00:14:11.039 --> 00:14:15.399 the opportunity to give. Chef Katie Chin, thank you for 237 00:14:15.480 --> 00:14:18.159 your wise words of wisdom and good luck as your 238 00:14:18.200 --> 00:14:20.039 one woman show continues. 239 00:14:20.600 --> 00:14:24.080 Holy Shataki. It's called I love the title Holy Shataki, 240 00:14:24.440 --> 00:14:26.200 A walk Stark. 241 00:14:25.559 --> 00:14:28.759 Stars born and by the way, I am giving a 242 00:14:28.759 --> 00:14:30.960 portion of proceeds to my show this Thursday at the 243 00:14:30.960 --> 00:14:32.440 White Fire Theater at eight o'clock. 244 00:14:32.799 --> 00:14:36.120 Wonderful to fire fire department. 245 00:14:36.440 --> 00:14:40.679 Oh, to the fighters, to the firefighters. 246 00:14:40.679 --> 00:14:41.519 Yeah, oh my god. 247 00:14:41.600 --> 00:14:42.039 Foundation. 248 00:14:42.240 --> 00:14:45.360 Yes, and jose Andris is also out there feeding firefighters, 249 00:14:45.360 --> 00:14:47.879 which is very exciting. He's sending his food trucks out 250 00:14:47.919 --> 00:14:49.080 to the with the. 251 00:14:49.039 --> 00:14:51.440 Trench Jennifer Garner, which is amazing. 252 00:14:51.600 --> 00:14:53.679 It's so wonderful. Thanks for being You. 253 00:14:53.639 --> 00:14:55.480 Can do it anyway, can do it. 254 00:14:55.559 --> 00:14:58.559 Thank you so much for being with us, Chef Katie Chin. 255 00:14:59.080 --> 00:15:01.159 You are listening to the Doctor Wendy Walsh Show on 256 00:15:01.279 --> 00:15:05.639 KFI AM six forty Live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. 257 00:15:06.120 --> 00:15:10.360 You're listening to Doctor Wendy Walsh on demand from KFI 258 00:15:10.559 --> 00:15:11.519 AM six forty. 259 00:15:11.919 --> 00:15:12.720 Welcome back to the. 260 00:15:12.720 --> 00:15:15.720 Doctor Wendy Walls Show on KFI AM six forty Live 261 00:15:15.759 --> 00:15:22.279 everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. My next guest thankfully did 262 00:15:22.320 --> 00:15:26.080 not lose his home in the fire, but his family 263 00:15:26.600 --> 00:15:30.879 went through jump through some serious hoops to try to 264 00:15:30.919 --> 00:15:36.000 get out, evacuate safely, and even break back in to 265 00:15:36.039 --> 00:15:38.840 be able to check on their home. I'd like to 266 00:15:38.879 --> 00:15:43.519 welcome renowned artist and sculptor Anthony Pearson. I know that 267 00:15:43.600 --> 00:15:46.200 your wife Ramona is also in the background and the 268 00:15:46.240 --> 00:15:49.159 two of you are there I'm so glad that your 269 00:15:49.159 --> 00:15:53.440 home is okay. But there's something interesting you told me, Anthony, 270 00:15:53.840 --> 00:15:57.840 which is there's a reason why your particular small row 271 00:15:57.879 --> 00:16:01.240 of houses in Pacific Palisades survived. Can you explain that. 272 00:16:04.200 --> 00:16:04.480 Luck? 273 00:16:05.559 --> 00:16:05.799 Luck? 274 00:16:05.879 --> 00:16:11.600 Yeah, luck is the first reason. And then there's the 275 00:16:11.639 --> 00:16:14.960 far paints I bought that I put on my home, 276 00:16:15.279 --> 00:16:19.159 and all the brush I cleared back, and my situational 277 00:16:19.200 --> 00:16:23.279 awareness and my neighbors tending to their property. But luck 278 00:16:23.399 --> 00:16:24.000 is the reason. 279 00:16:24.799 --> 00:16:25.159 Were you. 280 00:16:25.639 --> 00:16:32.600 Were you aware in recent months about the possibility for 281 00:16:32.679 --> 00:16:36.919 fire and danger? Is that why you took these events 282 00:16:36.960 --> 00:16:37.279 to try? 283 00:16:38.960 --> 00:16:42.360 I've been aware of the possibility since I was nine 284 00:16:42.480 --> 00:16:46.919 years old when I watched the same exact mountain burn 285 00:16:47.720 --> 00:16:53.799 Mount to Mescal, and since nineteen seventy eight it hasn't. 286 00:16:54.840 --> 00:16:57.879 So it would be like if you had a really 287 00:16:57.919 --> 00:17:00.360 curly hair and you didn't get a haircut for sixty 288 00:17:00.440 --> 00:17:04.599 years or something. It just was time, and this is 289 00:17:04.720 --> 00:17:09.359 nature's way, and this has happened since ancient times, and 290 00:17:09.599 --> 00:17:12.279 we knew this day would come, but the manner in 291 00:17:12.319 --> 00:17:17.119 which it happened left us with nothing but a remembrance 292 00:17:18.039 --> 00:17:23.079 of Pacific Thalisades and a remembrance of the community and 293 00:17:23.119 --> 00:17:27.480 a remembrance of the sense of place. Spacific Dallisades is 294 00:17:27.519 --> 00:17:31.559 a completely misunderstood place. People think it's a place for 295 00:17:31.720 --> 00:17:35.640 movie stars and opulent schools, and it's actually a place 296 00:17:35.839 --> 00:17:40.039 where the barber who cut my hair cuts my friend's 297 00:17:40.200 --> 00:17:45.039 kids hair, my junior high school teacher was my daughter's 298 00:17:45.079 --> 00:17:50.319 junior high school teacher build with. It's a neighborhood, and 299 00:17:50.359 --> 00:17:54.519 it's filled with eccentric and apartment dwellers, and you know, 300 00:17:55.240 --> 00:18:00.720 not all money people and not all famous people. When 301 00:18:00.720 --> 00:18:02.319 I was a boy, they had a T shirt and 302 00:18:02.359 --> 00:18:04.960 it said, if you're rich, you live in Beverly Hills. 303 00:18:05.279 --> 00:18:08.240 If you're famous, you live in Malibu. If you're lucky, 304 00:18:08.240 --> 00:18:09.799 you live in Pacific Palisades. 305 00:18:10.200 --> 00:18:14.680 Oh, it's wonderful now. Earlier you had explained to me 306 00:18:14.759 --> 00:18:18.079 that there was something unique about the topography of your 307 00:18:18.119 --> 00:18:22.319 particular street that may have contributed to the luck you had. 308 00:18:22.400 --> 00:18:28.480 Can you explain that, Well, it's a funny paradox. We 309 00:18:28.559 --> 00:18:34.000 lived up against the slope which last February decided to 310 00:18:34.279 --> 00:18:36.839 move on us and create a mess in our backyard 311 00:18:36.920 --> 00:18:40.359 and mess up my neighbor. And we cursed that slope 312 00:18:41.359 --> 00:18:47.559 because it hovered over us like a dangerous worry it 313 00:18:47.599 --> 00:18:50.599 was a mudslide. Yeah, it was a mud slide, But 314 00:18:50.720 --> 00:18:54.119 that same big slope behind these four or five houses 315 00:18:54.160 --> 00:18:57.640 in a row, it also sheltered us from an ember cast, 316 00:18:58.599 --> 00:19:01.920 So that imber cast went right over us and down below. 317 00:19:02.680 --> 00:19:03.880 Like you lie in. 318 00:19:03.880 --> 00:19:06.000 The back of a pickup truck and you don't feel 319 00:19:06.000 --> 00:19:06.920 the wind if you like. 320 00:19:06.880 --> 00:19:13.400 It, like when you like that's exactly right. Yeah, So 321 00:19:13.440 --> 00:19:18.599 how many houses on your street survived? We have about 322 00:19:18.640 --> 00:19:21.160 thirty or forty houses on our street, and I think 323 00:19:21.200 --> 00:19:23.640 we lost seven or eight something like that. 324 00:19:24.359 --> 00:19:27.160 And what is to go back to with all the 325 00:19:28.480 --> 00:19:31.440 burned out streets in order to get there? 326 00:19:34.000 --> 00:19:38.920 Well, you know, there's certain neighborhoods that looks like Dressden. 327 00:19:39.279 --> 00:19:44.759 It's absolutely leveled. And everybody's seen the pictures, and you know, 328 00:19:44.799 --> 00:19:47.160 we live in this world where we look at our 329 00:19:47.200 --> 00:19:50.200 phones and we have what one of my friends called 330 00:19:50.279 --> 00:19:55.279 fire pornography, and all we see these pictures of destruction, 331 00:19:56.400 --> 00:19:59.920 and when you get back in you quickly realize that's 332 00:20:00.119 --> 00:20:03.640 not entirely true. And there's homes and there's buildings, and 333 00:20:03.680 --> 00:20:06.599 there's things still there, and those few things that are 334 00:20:06.640 --> 00:20:09.599 still there. Maybe it's forty percent in some places, ten 335 00:20:09.640 --> 00:20:14.440 percent in others. That's specific. Calisays, Now that's what we have, 336 00:20:15.119 --> 00:20:16.880 and that's okay. 337 00:20:17.039 --> 00:20:19.599 So you have gone back in to investigate. 338 00:20:20.799 --> 00:20:24.039 I did not go back in to investigate. I came 339 00:20:24.079 --> 00:20:27.000 in to check on my property, but I mostly went 340 00:20:27.039 --> 00:20:30.759 back into put out spotfires, look for my neighbors who 341 00:20:30.839 --> 00:20:34.359 stayed there. I have a neighbor who's ten fifteen years 342 00:20:34.359 --> 00:20:40.119 older than Knees, an incredible hero. He was ripping siding 343 00:20:40.160 --> 00:20:42.640 off of houses and going around feeling for heat in 344 00:20:42.680 --> 00:20:45.920 the walls and extinguishing things. And he and I and 345 00:20:45.960 --> 00:20:49.599 another man with buckets of pool water, we work two 346 00:20:49.640 --> 00:20:53.079 days straight trying to, you know, make sure that nothing 347 00:20:53.079 --> 00:20:57.079 else reignited, and you know. And then I went from 348 00:20:57.119 --> 00:20:59.240 place to place to check on neighbors' homes. 349 00:20:59.279 --> 00:21:04.480 And so some of your neighbors refuse to evacuate. 350 00:21:05.960 --> 00:21:09.839 Several of my neighbors did not leave, yes, And I 351 00:21:11.880 --> 00:21:14.079 felt like I was a fourteen year old kid again, 352 00:21:14.119 --> 00:21:17.079 because I was hopping through vacant lots and jumping over 353 00:21:17.119 --> 00:21:19.799 the walls and lying to the police to make my 354 00:21:19.839 --> 00:21:23.359 way down secret little staircases and up the canyon. And 355 00:21:24.720 --> 00:21:28.279 I went four nights in a row, and I slept 356 00:21:28.279 --> 00:21:30.839 there for the first night, the other night, setting the 357 00:21:30.880 --> 00:21:35.559 alarm every hour and just making sure I was safe. 358 00:21:34.440 --> 00:21:38.519 And that's the way it goes when you live in Paradise, 359 00:21:39.200 --> 00:21:42.279 when you live on the hillside like that. And we 360 00:21:42.680 --> 00:21:45.480 knew that, and everybody knew that. And the day, the 361 00:21:45.559 --> 00:21:49.880 day finally came. One of the things, Wendy that happened. 362 00:21:50.839 --> 00:21:55.079 People think that Pacific Poliitdaves is a really fancy place, 363 00:21:55.319 --> 00:22:00.200 and it is, but we all suffer. Rich poor black 364 00:22:00.240 --> 00:22:03.759 white man woman. We all have joy and we all 365 00:22:03.799 --> 00:22:08.200 have pain. And there's a lot of different kinds of 366 00:22:08.240 --> 00:22:12.240 people in my community. And you'd be surprised, you know 367 00:22:12.400 --> 00:22:13.519 what that place is like. 368 00:22:14.079 --> 00:22:16.240 Well, I hate to use the term, it's not my 369 00:22:16.319 --> 00:22:20.440 favorite term, but because of trickle down economics, when one 370 00:22:20.599 --> 00:22:23.680 wealthy family loses their house, there are a lot of 371 00:22:23.839 --> 00:22:25.960 working class people who lose their jobs. 372 00:22:27.279 --> 00:22:29.880 Whether we're talking about there's a lot of Yeah, there's 373 00:22:29.920 --> 00:22:34.640 a lot of people who who don't have a job. 374 00:22:34.839 --> 00:22:36.759 There's a lot of people who don't have a place 375 00:22:36.759 --> 00:22:39.240 of business, and there's a lot of people who don't 376 00:22:39.240 --> 00:22:42.680 have homes. That's exactly right, Yeah, when. 377 00:22:42.559 --> 00:22:49.400 We're talking about landscape workers, where we're talking about childcare workers, teachers. 378 00:22:49.640 --> 00:22:53.359 The right, the dog walkers of the world, right, I mean, 379 00:22:53.359 --> 00:22:55.759 there are a lot of you. 380 00:22:55.759 --> 00:22:58.759 You would be surprised how many of those people reside 381 00:22:58.799 --> 00:23:02.839 in Pacific Fallisa. You'd be surprised by that they live 382 00:23:03.039 --> 00:23:06.440 in their parents sold home that they inherited. They live 383 00:23:06.680 --> 00:23:10.519 in a little studio apartment on Sunset Boulevard, and they 384 00:23:10.599 --> 00:23:14.799 teach at the school and many palastates high school teachers 385 00:23:15.359 --> 00:23:18.480 lost their little cottages in the alphabet streets. We know 386 00:23:19.240 --> 00:23:20.160 four or five of them. 387 00:23:20.559 --> 00:23:23.720 You know, we have to go to a break. You're 388 00:23:23.759 --> 00:23:26.640 an artist. When we come back, can we talk a 389 00:23:26.720 --> 00:23:30.480 little bit about art as therapy and a way to 390 00:23:30.519 --> 00:23:35.240 hear sure and how you think this tragedy may inform 391 00:23:35.480 --> 00:23:40.759 your own art going forward. My guest is sculptor Anthony Pearson. 392 00:23:41.160 --> 00:23:43.200 You are listening to the Doctor Wendy Wall Show on 393 00:23:43.359 --> 00:23:47.039 KFI AM six forty. We live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. 394 00:23:47.279 --> 00:23:51.440 You're listening to Doctor Wendy Walsh on demand from KFI 395 00:23:51.680 --> 00:23:52.599 AM six forty. 396 00:23:53.039 --> 00:23:56.240 Welcome back to the home stretch of the Doctor Wendy 397 00:23:56.279 --> 00:23:58.720 Wall Show. I do want to say before I return 398 00:23:58.799 --> 00:24:00.960 to my guest, that I hope that some of the 399 00:24:01.000 --> 00:24:04.279 information and the human stories that we've been able to 400 00:24:04.319 --> 00:24:07.640 share with you tonight will help in this healing that 401 00:24:07.680 --> 00:24:12.920