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<v Speaker 1>One of the challenges that I have is, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I look at the beauty of this community, how well

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<v Speaker 1>it works. But you know, keep in mind that people

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<v Speaker 1>self select to apply to IE House. We are an

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<v Speaker 1>independent nonprofit. We're associated with the university. Rockefeller gifted the

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<v Speaker 1>building to the university, but he also stipulated that the

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<v Speaker 1>organization needs to be outside of the university. People that

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<v Speaker 1>want to be in this environment apply here. In a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of ways, the university set up these affinity houses

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<v Speaker 1>or try to get these tribes to settle into, you know, communities,

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<v Speaker 1>and then they're surprised that these tribes are finding conflict

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<v Speaker 1>and differences with each other because they are creating echo chambers.

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<v Speaker 1>We're the tribe, and we are different, and one of

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<v Speaker 1>the things we have in common is that we want

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<v Speaker 1>to be here. We want to be surrounded by people

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<v Speaker 1>who are different than us. We want to ask questions

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<v Speaker 1>and listen and try to understand.

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<v Speaker 2>One thing I'm really excited to talk with you today

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<v Speaker 2>this enter life about. You know, higher education is is

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<v Speaker 2>such an important point of so many people's lives, and it,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, shapes future generations and shapes kind of how

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<v Speaker 2>folks are approaching the next part of their lives in

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<v Speaker 2>the world. And like even you know, the kids. I

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<v Speaker 2>have a three month old now, so he's not thinking

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<v Speaker 2>about college yet. But like, as we know, we begin

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<v Speaker 2>even like early on to be planning and thinking about,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, what kind of schooling do we want our

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<v Speaker 2>kids to have? And then you know, you know from

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<v Speaker 2>who knows from high school certainly, but even younger people

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<v Speaker 2>are thinking about what college they want to get into

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<v Speaker 2>and how they want to get there. And then when

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<v Speaker 2>you go to college, right, it's this whole experience of

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you're freshman, moving into a dorm for the

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<v Speaker 2>first time, what that can be like in terms of

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<v Speaker 2>new experiences, new friends. If you're an international student, that

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<v Speaker 2>can also totally change the equation also, right, if you're

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<v Speaker 2>if you're totally leaving home for something else. And I

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<v Speaker 2>think that it's it's such an important and magical and

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<v Speaker 2>challenging and dangerous and all these things placed for folks,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and like, we have such interesting conversations happening

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<v Speaker 2>across the US now in the world around the role

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<v Speaker 2>of higher ed. We're in this crazy space as we know,

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty four of political polarization seems to be reaching

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<v Speaker 2>some kind of fever pitch in the world, right, And

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<v Speaker 2>you know, controversy is no nothing foreign to college campuses,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and oftentimes they can be the epicenter of

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<v Speaker 2>these kind of storms sometimes, and you know, I want

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<v Speaker 2>to put that in bucket one and bucket two. Of course,

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<v Speaker 2>as we're approaching an election cycle right here also, and

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<v Speaker 2>that also raises questions around both polarization but also inclusive

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<v Speaker 2>dialogue and communication with people that have different perspectives, right,

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<v Speaker 2>And so I think there is a really important challenge

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<v Speaker 2>that that higher rate is facing around like fostering inclusive

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<v Speaker 2>and safe environments for different kinds of viewpoints, right, And

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's kind of critical. I'm early excited to talk

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<v Speaker 2>with Sean coopfer CEO of International House that you see Berkeley,

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<v Speaker 2>which is a really interesting blend of both a kind

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<v Speaker 2>of independent nonprofit but also connected with the university. And

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<v Speaker 2>the Eye House has been around for you know, nearly

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<v Speaker 2>a century, which I thought was really cool and kind

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<v Speaker 2>of looking and getting a sense of what the organization

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<v Speaker 2>is itself. And so you've seen a lot of challenges

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<v Speaker 2>through Eye House of issues that the US has faced, right.

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<v Speaker 2>There's been issues around wars and civil rights issues and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, geopolitical upheavals and things like that, and so

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<v Speaker 2>we're excited to get your perspective on how we can

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<v Speaker 2>think about this and how do we build sense of

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<v Speaker 2>hope and how we demonstrate that we can heal different

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<v Speaker 2>cultural divides in these kinds of inclusive spaces as part

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<v Speaker 2>of campuses. And so first was they sean great to

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<v Speaker 2>have you. Welcome to the show.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much. I really appreciate being here. And

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<v Speaker 1>I'll talk to you and your listeners right on.

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<v Speaker 2>So diving into too this idea is like in this

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<v Speaker 2>world where it seems like we can have these kind

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<v Speaker 2>of social media echo chambers and political tribalism seems to

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<v Speaker 2>be an unfortunate norm. You know, I want to hear

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<v Speaker 2>about your work with like International House and how have

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<v Speaker 2>you kind of begun to set and think about the

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<v Speaker 2>tone and the space and like creating an environment where

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<v Speaker 2>we can have multiple different kind viewpoints coming together not

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<v Speaker 2>just to co exist, but to actually be productive in

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<v Speaker 2>dialogue and communication with each other.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, I think to put betting in kind

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<v Speaker 1>of the context of the history of IHOS and this

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<v Speaker 1>is one hundred year old institution, and actually the origin

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<v Speaker 1>story starts at nineteen oh nine. Right to give a

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<v Speaker 1>quick history lesson the lighthouse, A man, twenty six year

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<v Speaker 1>old man Harry Edmonds, was working at the YMCA affiliated

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<v Speaker 1>with Columbia University. So as he's walking down the steps

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<v Speaker 1>one full morning of the Columbia University Library, he passes

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<v Speaker 1>a student and as you do, you say good morning.

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<v Speaker 1>So the student stopped and it kind of sparked a conversation,

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<v Speaker 1>and the student said, from China, I've been here for

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<v Speaker 1>three weeks and you're the first person to talk to me.

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<v Speaker 1>And so Harry was really touched by that interaction and

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<v Speaker 1>went home and told his wife Florence, about you know,

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<v Speaker 1>how isolated, how lonely, you know, the here scholars and

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<v Speaker 1>academics coming literally halfway around the world and being pushed

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<v Speaker 1>off into housing that is in the not most desirable

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<v Speaker 1>places in the city, oftentimes far away from the universities.

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<v Speaker 1>People are not acknowledging them. And this is nineteen oh nine.

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<v Speaker 1>So I always think it's a vision of the Titanic

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<v Speaker 1>movie comes to mind, because that's about the mean this

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<v Speaker 1>was where this was going, whether it's what's happening, and

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<v Speaker 1>so Florence insisted we need to do something. And what

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<v Speaker 1>they did was they started inviting international students into their

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<v Speaker 1>hall for what's called Sunday supper, you know, and I

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<v Speaker 1>sit down, have a meal, have a conversation, go by

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<v Speaker 1>the fire, have a drink, and talk about you know,

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<v Speaker 1>just building relationships, talk about your history, your culture, your country,

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<v Speaker 1>your points of view, you know, what are you studying.

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<v Speaker 1>And from these just simple Sunday suppers of guests in

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<v Speaker 1>their apartment developed this community of folks that wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>one engage with people from around the world. And again,

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen oh nine, people weren't flying on vacation to Europe

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<v Speaker 1>for Asia unless they had the money to do the

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<v Speaker 1>Grand Tour of Europe. The interaction was only their peer

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<v Speaker 1>groups in the cities. And so you know, this, this

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<v Speaker 1>this community of folks that wanted to saw value in

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<v Speaker 1>interacting with people who were different than that, and people

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<v Speaker 1>in New York that wanted to support this initiative and

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<v Speaker 1>saw this what a great way to build lifelong friendships

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<v Speaker 1>and build better inner cultural understanding and more respect. And

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<v Speaker 1>you know, wouldn't the world be a great place if

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<v Speaker 1>we were all connected in this? And so that's how

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<v Speaker 1>we started off John D. Rockefeller as the flaff Abyss

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<v Speaker 1>in New York, and then the Dodge family got involved

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<v Speaker 1>and they built essentially what Harry and Florence's vision was,

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<v Speaker 1>which was this home where they could live together, eat together,

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<v Speaker 1>support each other, and be a center of all of

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<v Speaker 1>this intercultural exchanges. And so the first Eye House opened

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<v Speaker 1>up at nineteen twenty four adjacent Columbia University, is still

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<v Speaker 1>there today. It was such a big hit that Rockefeller

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<v Speaker 1>and Edmunds decided to open one up in Berkeley University, Chicago.

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<v Speaker 1>There's plans for Boston where you're at right, as well

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<v Speaker 1>as Philadelphia. However, you know, nineteen twenty nine depression hits

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<v Speaker 1>and he was only able to complete Boston, and I'm sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>complete Berkeley and Chicago. And so you know, that's that's

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<v Speaker 1>what we do. Since nineteen thirty we've been here at

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<v Speaker 1>the Berkeley campus, the building built by Rockefeller and Edmunds.

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<v Speaker 1>We house currently about six hundred and twenty international and

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<v Speaker 1>domestic residents. This year we just have moving week last week,

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<v Speaker 1>so we have eighty two different nationalities in that cohort

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<v Speaker 1>of six hundred. There's no dominant culture, I think domestic

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<v Speaker 1>students are the biggest population at eighteen percent this year,

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<v Speaker 1>interesting all by China, which I think is about nine

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<v Speaker 1>or ten percent, India, France, and you know, then we

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<v Speaker 1>go to a long list of countries that have a

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<v Speaker 1>few representatives in this entire to meunity. So that's cool. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Our whole purpose is to you know, to bring people

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<v Speaker 1>together that have that that interaction that was happened in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen oh nine in the apartment of Barring, Florence, where

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<v Speaker 1>you meet someone new, you listen, you talk, you exchange ideas,

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<v Speaker 1>you try to understand their perspectives better. Oftentimes that's in

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<v Speaker 1>our dining hall. We do room and board here, so

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<v Speaker 1>they live here and they eat here, and so that's

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<v Speaker 1>how we facilitate these exchanges. And it's it's really is incredible.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, you talked about the you know, the conflict

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<v Speaker 1>on campuses recently, and Berkeley was not immune for that.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, certainly a lot of these you know, we

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<v Speaker 1>haven't incammed here and we have protests here, not to

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<v Speaker 1>the extent of Columbia or UCLA or Washington, but it

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<v Speaker 1>didn't come into the house. People saw each other as

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<v Speaker 1>part of the same community, and it wasn't tribal, right,

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<v Speaker 1>The tribe is us, all of us, yeah, versus you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the campus. The conflict is between tribes, like minded people

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<v Speaker 1>against other like minded people, and then the friction that

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<v Speaker 1>happens when you're in a building with six hundred people

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<v Speaker 1>who all think differently than you. You're vulnerable, right. No

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<v Speaker 1>one wants to stand up on a soapbox and say

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<v Speaker 1>this is the way we all should think, because no,

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<v Speaker 1>you're not going to get much of a group behind

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<v Speaker 1>you supporting you. What what you do get is people who

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<v Speaker 1>are vulnerable. And we'll talk about you know, here's my

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<v Speaker 1>point of view, but I want to understand where you're

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<v Speaker 1>coming from. Why is that? And that's really healthy? You know,

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<v Speaker 1>there's civility in this house. There is discussion, there is debate,

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<v Speaker 1>but there's not violence. There's not you know, treating people meanly.

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<v Speaker 1>It's trying to understand and how do we find common

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<v Speaker 1>ground to move forward. That's the all reason we existed.

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<v Speaker 1>We've been here since nineteen you know, nineteen thirty, and

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<v Speaker 1>this isn't the first, you know time we've been involved

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<v Speaker 1>in conflict. Yeah, you know, you can go back through

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<v Speaker 1>history with eye house here at Berkeley alone. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>we were part of the free speech movement, we were

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<v Speaker 1>part of the civil rights movement. We're here during World

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<v Speaker 1>War two, during Japanese and tournament protecting Jopanese citizen and

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<v Speaker 1>our our law students were writing places to get them out.

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<v Speaker 1>So you know, we've been very active in all of

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<v Speaker 1>these conflicts, but hopefully in a in a in a

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<v Speaker 1>productive way. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>That's fascinating, and I mean as an anthropologist that this

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<v Speaker 2>is you know, I really like this because it's you know,

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<v Speaker 2>on the one hand, the I think incredible value of

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<v Speaker 2>oftentimes going to uh, you know, college or university for

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<v Speaker 2>many people because the first time they leave home, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>in a big sense, and then having kind of an

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<v Speaker 2>intentional place where we know folks of difference are coming

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<v Speaker 2>together and we're not kind of providing that space for

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<v Speaker 2>them to like live in, you know and break bread

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<v Speaker 2>and kind of room and eat and live together. Is

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<v Speaker 2>you know, there's there's like a dorm which you can

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<v Speaker 2>typically think about, right, but then it sounds like this

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<v Speaker 2>is like my house is kind of taking a bit

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<v Speaker 2>of a next step there in like recognizing the intentional

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<v Speaker 2>international character of so many universities, especially you know, if

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<v Speaker 2>we're talking to the top two universities like Berkeley and

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<v Speaker 2>Columbia and Chicago too, we orre geny folks from all

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<v Speaker 2>so it's like, how do we provide that space? But

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<v Speaker 2>there in terms of that, and I want to think

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<v Speaker 2>can see politics in political opinions and things, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>find their way to college campus as we're sitting here too,

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<v Speaker 2>which we know is quite common. But then also there's

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<v Speaker 2>this idea of the human that I'm living with or

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<v Speaker 2>this kind of funny point that whenever we think about polarization,

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<v Speaker 2>But so it sounds like part of the strategy here

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Yeah, I fight out of percent and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>just to you know, one of the challenges that I

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<v Speaker 1>in mind that people self select to apply to Ie House.

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<v Speaker 1>We are an independent nonprofit. We're associated with the university.

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<v Speaker 1>Rockefeller gift the building to the university, but he also

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<v Speaker 1>There's a great story about why that happened and how

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<v Speaker 1>we desegregated Berkeley as a result. You know, people, people

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<v Speaker 1>you go to a university dorm. People just need place

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<v Speaker 1>In a lot of ways, the university set up these

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<v Speaker 1>affinity houses or try to get these tribes to settle into,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, communities, and then they're surprised that these tribes

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<v Speaker 1>are creating echo chambers and these and these tribes were us.

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<v Speaker 1>We're the tribe, and we are different, and one of

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<v Speaker 1>to be here. We want to be surrounded by people

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<v Speaker 1>and us in and try to understand, and not always

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<v Speaker 1>the general dorms on campus. That's the environment. And so

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<v Speaker 1>you know, this is something unique within the campus communities

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<v Speaker 1>they're thinking. I think you're one hundred percent right there.

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<v Speaker 1>When you look, it's easy to call someone a label

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<v Speaker 1>policies or that are that I'm against, and therefore I'm

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<v Speaker 1>against that person. When you make it a person, it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's much more difficult to you know, when you

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<v Speaker 1>of that group. They're actually more reasonable first and once

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<v Speaker 1>you personalize these These issues. Person to person issues are

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<v Speaker 1>then it's just white you know, it's white washing everything

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<v Speaker 1>with the same point of view, when even within those

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<v Speaker 1>and beliefs. And when you get down to it, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of majority of folks are reasonable, want to

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<v Speaker 1>the special sauce here is that these are personal relationships.

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<v Speaker 1>Just really quickly, there's in our whole of history, there's

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<v Speaker 1>testimonial that you know, back home, they would not communicate

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<v Speaker 1>each other. They would just stand across the street and

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<v Speaker 1>you know and not have any interactions. However, in this house,

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<v Speaker 1>they move in, they meet, they have a coffee, they

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<v Speaker 1>start having conversations. They end up becoming friends. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>this is beautiful testimonial that once it became a person

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<v Speaker 1>to person and you start opening up and sharing and

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<v Speaker 1>trying to build understanding, a lot of this conflict goes

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<v Speaker 1>away if there's you know, as you imagine one hundred years,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of stories like that were you know,

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<v Speaker 1>after World War Two there was Japanese, Germans and Americans

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of years before, and now they're here together, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and all of that goes away. So I think, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it all starts with interpersonal connections and communication and listening

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<v Speaker 1>and trying to understand and not labeling, uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and even like the the idea too that when

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<v Speaker 2>in the frame. We we also kind of see what

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<v Speaker 2>we share, right, I mean, it reminds me of the

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<v Speaker 2>still fun idea you know during World War two at

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<v Speaker 2>came out of the trenches to sing Christmas songs and

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<v Speaker 2>play play football together, you know, and it's like this

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<v Speaker 2>really interesting idea that like, okay, yeah, we are literally fighting,

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<v Speaker 2>but then turns out we actually do have shared in

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<v Speaker 2>this case, shared traditions, taryed religious connections, right, and shared holidays,

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<v Speaker 2>and like let's actually come together for that. And in

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<v Speaker 2>why would we not be able to do this in

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<v Speaker 2>a in a home that we're sharing, or in a

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<v Speaker 1>Do it right. Well, we we can do it. We

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<v Speaker 1>have done it over you know, thousands of years of history.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, people that we're against each other for various

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<v Speaker 1>You know, just looking at relative history and world wars,

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<v Speaker 1>any of the other you know, so it can change,

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<v Speaker 1>can find peaceful ways to move forward. And that's what

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<v Speaker 1>we're all about here, is trying to teach that to

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<v Speaker 1>six hundred and twenty four residents every year as we

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<v Speaker 1>launched the mounts, like, hey, you know, we can there's

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<v Speaker 1>other ways besides shouting down, canseling and threatening other people

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And then that's such an important point too, because

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<v Speaker 2>we are you know, on the one hand, seeing at

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<v Speaker 2>and for a few years like this rise you know,

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<v Speaker 2>of careful about how we're deploying, you know, on the

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<v Speaker 2>one hand, weapons of retribution, but then at the same time,

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<v Speaker 2>like what is justice sexually? How do we actually actually

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<v Speaker 2>bring justice forward, you know, and like the interesting challenge

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<v Speaker 2>points that you know, on the one hand, like feel

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<v Speaker 2>new in terms of how we're we're reckoning with and

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<v Speaker 2>and sexual violence, especially in college campuses. Sure, and like

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<v Speaker 2>how it's gone through Hollywood and like you know, how

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<v Speaker 2>how the entire process through me too, and how that

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<v Speaker 2>it's like reverberted through society. But then also things around

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<v Speaker 2>of today? But then kind of as we're talking here too,

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<v Speaker 2>like there's I think this really interesting and important history

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<v Speaker 2>to remember of like how we've seen other kinds of conflict,

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<v Speaker 2>uh work, like working through conflicts in historical moments in

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<v Speaker 2>the US that we're talking about here too, and like

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<v Speaker 2>in a story, right, and the things that Iye House

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<v Speaker 2>has seen in terms of conflicts and then resolutions and

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<v Speaker 2>how folks have kind of worked through them together. I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's really really interesting and obviously one of the

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<v Speaker 2>you know, interesting pieces about this too, is like the

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<v Speaker 2>of like, you know, I don't know strategies or things

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<v Speaker 2>that you found that are effective for like helping create

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<v Speaker 2>those environments where we can we can have multiple kind

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<v Speaker 2>some mistakes and some things that people kind of say, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>this or you know, not in a read way, but

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<v Speaker 2>thing you know about somebody. But like, however, you find

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<v Speaker 2>kind of strategies to help mitigate and help folks kind

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<v Speaker 2>of come together around you know, we're bringing different cultures

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<v Speaker 2>and kind of figure things out.

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<v Speaker 1>And so, you know, we didn't have an understanding of

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you we all have to be civil in

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<v Speaker 1>this environment. You know, things would fall apart rather quickly. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>And I you know, it seems civility is lost in

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<v Speaker 1>just not a civil you know, it's not not civil anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>We're not treating people kindly with respect. It's yeah, it's

419
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<v Speaker 1>it's the whole other issue. And I think it's just

420
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<v Speaker 1>you know, we also have to operate under free speech.

421
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<v Speaker 1>You know, we have to allow every of those eighty

422
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<v Speaker 1>two nationalities and all of those six hundred and twenty

423
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<v Speaker 1>four people. But you know, we talked, we tend to

424
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<v Speaker 1>fall back and talk about diversity because they have different passports.

425
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<v Speaker 1>But the reality is economic diversity, gender diversity, I mean

426
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<v Speaker 1>area of interest, and they're studying on campus diversity. You know,

427
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<v Speaker 1>they're on a law, business, and engineering students. I've got,

428
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<v Speaker 1>you know, some of the most obscure majors on campus

429
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<v Speaker 1>in this house. For a reason. Yeah, because I want

430
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<v Speaker 1>those people here. I want them to you know, what

431
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<v Speaker 1>they bring is so valuable to us, to just make

432
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<v Speaker 1>everything so complicated and diverts wonderful. But you can't have

433
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<v Speaker 1>that if you don't if people don't feel comfortable in

434
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<v Speaker 1>expressing their opinions. So you have to allow free speech

435
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<v Speaker 1>in this house and understand that, you know, there's things

436
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<v Speaker 1>people are going to say that you may not agree with,

437
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<v Speaker 1>well that you're definitely not going to agree with. You know,

438
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<v Speaker 1>welcome to a diverse world, like you know, sit down

439
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<v Speaker 1>and talk to that person try to understand why they

440
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<v Speaker 1>have that opinion coming up. You know, I feel there's

441
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<v Speaker 1>a there's a certain level of uncomfortableness I have when

442
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<v Speaker 1>we start talking about hate speech or safe spaces, because

443
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<v Speaker 1>there seem to be you know, whenever you come up

444
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<v Speaker 1>with policies or roles to create that, it seems like

445
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<v Speaker 1>the only way to create those spaces are by excluding

446
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<v Speaker 1>the certain points. And yeah, I don't I don't think

447
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<v Speaker 1>that's what we're about. Because what you start excluding people,

448
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<v Speaker 1>you're never going to understand that, You're never gonna have

449
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<v Speaker 1>an opportunity to like, well, it's engaged in the conversation.

450
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<v Speaker 1>I am baffled by why you feel this way. I

451
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<v Speaker 1>really want to understand how are you raised? What is

452
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<v Speaker 1>it about your culture that led you to come to this?

453
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<v Speaker 1>I want to understand, you know, and that may not

454
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<v Speaker 1>be a safe space for everybody, so we can find

455
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<v Speaker 1>what a safe space is. Good question. Yeah, yeah, it's

456
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<v Speaker 1>very ethnocentric, right, whatever you create it. So, you know,

457
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<v Speaker 1>I say, blow out the gates and just let everyone

458
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<v Speaker 1>have free speech under these rules of civility and listening

459
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<v Speaker 1>to understand and we're not trying to indoctrinate people We're

460
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<v Speaker 1>not trying to convince people. We're just trying to understand people.

461
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<v Speaker 1>If we understand each other, we have a chance they

462
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<v Speaker 1>move forward and find a way to coexist that doesn't

463
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<v Speaker 1>include me canceling you, eliminating you, or trying to get

464
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<v Speaker 1>that thought erased from history. Yeah, you know. And so

465
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<v Speaker 1>I think those are the the tenants, the principles that

466
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<v Speaker 1>you have to have to keep this, the magic that

467
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<v Speaker 1>happens here happening, all of these things. You feel, I

468
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<v Speaker 1>feel like you just we've just lot in society. I mean,

469
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<v Speaker 1>I don't think social media or or the media at

470
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<v Speaker 1>large has been helping us to develop diverse perspectives or

471
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<v Speaker 1>deeper understanding of people who disagree. Yeah, can't find a

472
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<v Speaker 1>new you know, tell me a news channel that is neutral,

473
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<v Speaker 1>It will give you both sides of the story.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm not sure those are there.

475
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<v Speaker 1>Can tell me the algorithm that is feeding me content

476
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<v Speaker 1>that I normally wouldn't find. It might help me understand

477
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<v Speaker 1>an issue better. Well, now they're all focused on taking

478
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<v Speaker 1>you down a rabbit hole and surrounding you by one

479
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<v Speaker 1>point of view, keeps your eyes on the screen. Yeah,

480
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<v Speaker 1>and I think that's you know, that's part of the

481
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<v Speaker 1>situation we find ourselves is we need to find ways

482
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<v Speaker 1>to allow people to open their mind to different of opinion.

483
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<v Speaker 1>And again, not with the intent to change anybody's mind.

484
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<v Speaker 1>That's with the intent to understand, No, just to personalize

485
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<v Speaker 1>a little bit more, you know, and we come up

486
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<v Speaker 1>with all these late crazy labels now you know, and yeah,

487
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<v Speaker 1>and then just.

488
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<v Speaker 2>I know it is. It's interesting because it's like, on

489
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<v Speaker 2>the one hand, you know, it's it's like, uh, I'm

490
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<v Speaker 2>not there yet. But like when you have a you know,

491
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<v Speaker 2>two year old that's asking why after every single question,

492
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<v Speaker 2>you know, like you get this, you know at some point,

493
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<v Speaker 2>you know, you can see these exasperated parents like, well,

494
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<v Speaker 2>you know, at some point and say either just because

495
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<v Speaker 2>I said so, or because that's the way it is,

496
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<v Speaker 2>or something right there, there's always a to be And

497
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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, I want I don't want to call it

498
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<v Speaker 2>a cop out answer, because I will ask me again

499
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<v Speaker 2>in a year and a half. I'm like, Okay, yeah,

500
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<v Speaker 2>now I see why they say that. But but in general,

501
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<v Speaker 2>like this, the desire to know why is not doesn't

502
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<v Speaker 2>ever come from a place of malice, right, It's like,

503
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<v Speaker 2>this is this true desire to understand, right, And you know,

504
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<v Speaker 2>in the the it seems in general that to the

505
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<v Speaker 2>two times that we like really allow in contemporary US society,

506
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<v Speaker 2>like that we really allow that and push for that

507
00:26:03.720 --> 00:26:05.359
<v Speaker 2>is when their kids arely two or three, and then

508
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<v Speaker 2>in college, which is weird, like we kind of like

509
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<v Speaker 2>dropped the middle of that in terms of like really

510
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<v Speaker 2>kind of talk especially for the liberalist universities, right, but

511
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<v Speaker 2>like pushing this idea of like general genuine inquiry of

512
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<v Speaker 2>like I'm interested in X y Z, not just learning

513
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<v Speaker 2>a bunch of facts, you know, and and you know,

514
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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to paint too broad up a picture

515
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<v Speaker 2>of US education system, but that there's a lot of

516
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<v Speaker 2>challenges about like on the one hand too in terms

517
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<v Speaker 2>of you know, teaching to the test for a lot

518
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<v Speaker 2>of things like this and kind of like making sure

519
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<v Speaker 2>that kids get that content versus like how to either

520
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<v Speaker 2>think critically or like ask questions in a deeper way

521
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<v Speaker 2>and that you know, I'm glad that we see higher

522
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<v Speaker 2>education institutions doing that, but it is interesting that like

523
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<v Speaker 2>we don't see it getting kind of pushed earlier, and

524
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<v Speaker 2>like and if we do see it, it like gets pushed

525
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<v Speaker 2>into a space of privilege in terms of for AP classes, right,

526
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<v Speaker 2>like advanced placement or like honors, like that's where you

527
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<v Speaker 2>take a humanities or artistory class. And it's like that

528
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<v Speaker 2>it's this this funny point. So I agree with you

529
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<v Speaker 2>too in terms of like that we there's the media

530
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<v Speaker 2>side that kind of pushes uh be an angle and

531
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<v Speaker 2>that I think that has a you know, a ton

532
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<v Speaker 2>of challenge based. Anything that's premised on advertising for revenue

533
00:27:06.440 --> 00:27:07.759
<v Speaker 2>is going to do that, right, And that's exactly those

534
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<v Speaker 2>algorithms because they're like funneling your attention into a certain

535
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<v Speaker 2>space because then they're going to either get you to

536
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<v Speaker 2>do something often buy something, you know, or pay for

537
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<v Speaker 2>something in some level. And it's the other side that

538
00:27:17.200 --> 00:27:20.240
<v Speaker 2>we have education kind of not pushing too much in

539
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<v Speaker 2>terms of like actually having more genuine critical thinking skill sets,

540
00:27:24.519 --> 00:27:27.480
<v Speaker 2>you know, sometimes until we get into university. And so

541
00:27:27.880 --> 00:27:31.319
<v Speaker 2>this this interesting piece where it's like I've appreciated seeing

542
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<v Speaker 2>so on the media side, like I've appreciated finding there's

543
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<v Speaker 2>like there's a couple of apps I talked to. Alex

544
00:27:35.839 --> 00:27:38.920
<v Speaker 2>Finger's the CEO of a company, a media company called

545
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<v Speaker 2>other Web, which it is a basically nutrition labels for

546
00:27:43.640 --> 00:27:45.440
<v Speaker 2>news media, and so you can look at it and

547
00:27:45.440 --> 00:27:47.079
<v Speaker 2>see does it what kind of speech does it have?

548
00:27:47.160 --> 00:27:49.720
<v Speaker 2>Like would it be inflammatory, would it be kind of neutral?

549
00:27:49.799 --> 00:27:52.839
<v Speaker 2>Does it like so basically understanding like is it fact checked?

550
00:27:52.880 --> 00:27:54.720
<v Speaker 2>How has it been fact checked? And so this interesting

551
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<v Speaker 2>idea of like letting you understand a bit more in

552
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<v Speaker 2>terms of when you're consuming content, Like he's like the

553
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<v Speaker 2>same with food, like you should want to know what's

554
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<v Speaker 2>in that serial? I want to know. It's like how

555
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<v Speaker 2>my articles are getting made also, and so it doesn't

556
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<v Speaker 2>write its own pieces, at least not right now, but

557
00:28:07.799 --> 00:28:11.240
<v Speaker 2>it's like looks at you know, multiple sides of if

558
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<v Speaker 2>you get like a piece or a story that like

559
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<v Speaker 2>you might be written about in Fox News and CNN

560
00:28:17.160 --> 00:28:19.359
<v Speaker 2>and BBC or whatever, kind of seeing like how is

561
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<v Speaker 2>it talked about in slightly different ways? Which is interesting

562
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<v Speaker 2>and all sides. Is another organization that does this where

563
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<v Speaker 2>they kind of say, how is an issue being covered

564
00:28:26.720 --> 00:28:29.119
<v Speaker 2>on right, left and center? But but even that point,

565
00:28:29.240 --> 00:28:31.720
<v Speaker 2>like we expect there to be a right left and

566
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<v Speaker 2>center split right and like the thing we're talking about

567
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<v Speaker 2>polarization up top two in we're we're expecting to kind

568
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<v Speaker 2>of say, okay, well, I'm gonna I have to be

569
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<v Speaker 2>in one of these buckets, you know, versus like all

570
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<v Speaker 2>of us are actually pretty much a spectrum of a

571
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<v Speaker 2>lot of things, right, and like rarely we say this

572
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<v Speaker 2>is the one thing that I am. And so it's

573
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<v Speaker 2>interesting to kind of think about how we can help

574
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<v Speaker 2>foster that idea, like the genuine curiosity and the humanity

575
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<v Speaker 2>of someone in a place like I house that is

576
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<v Speaker 2>recognizing that, Like we're here at you know, at Berkeley

577
00:29:00.240 --> 00:29:03.079
<v Speaker 2>and at the Institute of Higher Education trying to help

578
00:29:03.160 --> 00:29:06.480
<v Speaker 2>us think more critically oftentimes at least at least if

579
00:29:06.480 --> 00:29:07.759
<v Speaker 2>I have to take that. You know that anthro on

580
00:29:07.839 --> 00:29:11.480
<v Speaker 2>one class is one of my freshman requirements, right, you know?

581
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<v Speaker 1>Uh?

582
00:29:12.279 --> 00:29:14.400
<v Speaker 2>And also then like what does that mean to have

583
00:29:14.400 --> 00:29:17.279
<v Speaker 2>it in a space like a higher education institution that

584
00:29:18.240 --> 00:29:20.599
<v Speaker 2>often is a place where we see different views come together,

585
00:29:20.680 --> 00:29:22.440
<v Speaker 2>like for some for some people, some kids for the

586
00:29:22.440 --> 00:29:24.240
<v Speaker 2>first time, right, you know, they're saying up top as well.

587
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<v Speaker 2>So I think it's really interesting space. And I agree,

588
00:29:27.119 --> 00:29:29.799
<v Speaker 2>it's like civility is something that we see missing an

589
00:29:29.799 --> 00:29:32.000
<v Speaker 2>often place. So I guess how do you think about

590
00:29:32.000 --> 00:29:34.759
<v Speaker 2>that in terms of like we can help instill both civility,

591
00:29:34.799 --> 00:29:36.640
<v Speaker 2>and like, so I guess one question is like how

592
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<v Speaker 2>long do the folks stay? Are they there for one

593
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<v Speaker 2>year or two years?

594
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<v Speaker 1>Like?

595
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<v Speaker 2>And then because I'm kind of think about how we

596
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<v Speaker 2>how do we push them forward and say keep keep

597
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<v Speaker 2>keep keep with that civility, Like, how do you think

598
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<v Speaker 2>about that?

599
00:29:46.279 --> 00:29:49.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, so residents stay here. They can stay from

600
00:29:49.319 --> 00:29:51.519
<v Speaker 1>one semester, they can stay up to four years. And

601
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<v Speaker 1>so we okay, HD studentstead of seemed to they've been

602
00:29:54.519 --> 00:29:57.559
<v Speaker 1>here longer than I've been here. So you know, they

603
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<v Speaker 1>can stay for for quite a while. I think on

604
00:29:59.440 --> 00:30:02.279
<v Speaker 1>average they're slightly more than a year and a half

605
00:30:02.640 --> 00:30:06.559
<v Speaker 1>in total that they stay here. So they have a

606
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<v Speaker 1>good experience, a lengthy experience or exposure to this environment.

607
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<v Speaker 1>And I can tell you just we have over one

608
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<v Speaker 1>hundred thousand alumni that have come out of just I House,

609
00:30:16.440 --> 00:30:22.160
<v Speaker 1>Berkeley over the years, and this experience stays with them

610
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<v Speaker 1>their entire life. We had alumni reunion a few weekends ago,

611
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<v Speaker 1>and I was speaking to one of our alumni. Was

612
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<v Speaker 1>here in the fifties, and you know, here for one

613
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<v Speaker 1>year nineteen fifty and you think about, you know, how

614
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<v Speaker 1>the world has changed in nineteen fifty and how an

615
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<v Speaker 1>individual's life, you know, come graduating from college, the ups

616
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<v Speaker 1>and downs and changes in your career, relationships, children, grandchildren,

617
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<v Speaker 1>births and deaths, and all of these things that you've

618
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<v Speaker 1>been through in your life. And you know, they come

619
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<v Speaker 1>back for that one experience they had for one year

620
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<v Speaker 1>nineteen fifty break went back here, and they're so mostly

621
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<v Speaker 1>connected to do what happens within this house. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>part of our mission is you know, building lifelong friendships,

623
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<v Speaker 1>and they have lifelong friendships. All of these people that

624
00:31:08.519 --> 00:31:12.200
<v Speaker 1>you know come together in this this special community and

625
00:31:12.279 --> 00:31:17.880
<v Speaker 1>disperse are still connected decades later. So there is a

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<v Speaker 1>really special and positive that comes out of this mixing

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<v Speaker 1>of people. And and you know, and talking to people

628
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<v Speaker 1>who you disagree with, it ends up you know, these

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<v Speaker 1>may be your friends for lives. Even though you know that,

630
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<v Speaker 1>I mean end of this place. You may just point

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<v Speaker 1>at your banker and say I hate that person. You

632
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<v Speaker 1>live with them and you you know, have a drink

633
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<v Speaker 1>with them and you you know, do all the social

634
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<v Speaker 1>things that we do, or have dinner upstairs with them,

635
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<v Speaker 1>and you realize, well, this is a great person that

636
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<v Speaker 1>there's only one sliver of things that we disagree on,

637
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<v Speaker 1>but we can get past that. So it's it's the

638
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<v Speaker 1>you know, and there's so much unpack with what you

639
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<v Speaker 1>just said too, as you were talking about, you know,

640
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<v Speaker 1>the whether or not we're trying to you know, teach

641
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<v Speaker 1>to tests in education, whether we're trying to teach you know,

642
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<v Speaker 1>critical thinking and education. You know, I think that's that's

643
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<v Speaker 1>where we start, is we're trying to understand what do

644
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<v Speaker 1>we try to do with education, whether it's hey through

645
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<v Speaker 1>twelve or higher end. What what is the purpose of

646
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<v Speaker 1>all of this? You know, I spent fourteen years of

647
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<v Speaker 1>my life in China in education, higher education. My wife

648
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<v Speaker 1>is Chinese. My kids are ten and twelve, so they're

649
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<v Speaker 1>still very used to asking why, yeah, that question about

650
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<v Speaker 1>university and college. You know, you start thinking about it

651
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<v Speaker 1>when they're three months old, but you're continually thinking about

652
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<v Speaker 1>it build for another eighteen years. But it's quite different.

653
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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's me a year to really understand that

654
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<v Speaker 1>the you know, the objectives of a Chinese education system

655
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<v Speaker 1>are quite different than what I went through in the

656
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<v Speaker 1>United States, and uh, you know, where we were focused

657
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<v Speaker 1>a lot on, at least when I went through school,

658
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<v Speaker 1>really a lot about critical thinking and asking questions and

659
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<v Speaker 1>challenging the status. Oh where in China it was more

660
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<v Speaker 1>rote learning. It was you know, you have this this

661
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<v Speaker 1>this Galcow test. At the end, it's going to determine

662
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<v Speaker 1>whether you go to a top university and middle level

663
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<v Speaker 1>university or you going to go get a job. And

664
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<v Speaker 1>how you do on that test on that one day determines,

665
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<v Speaker 1>you know, the trajectory of your life, not just you

666
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<v Speaker 1>but your family. That's pressure. So there's a lot of

667
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<v Speaker 1>pressure to do well on one test. And so of

668
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<v Speaker 1>course that system is going to be supporting outcomes of

669
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<v Speaker 1>that test at the end. So it is a lot

670
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<v Speaker 1>of rote learning. It is, you know, teaching you to

671
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<v Speaker 1>to be very strong in in process and understanding concepts.

672
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<v Speaker 1>But where where I found they were Where the US

673
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<v Speaker 1>students were week generally weak in math and science is

674
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<v Speaker 1>but good at asking questions and challenging people, you know,

675
00:33:51.759 --> 00:33:54.119
<v Speaker 1>in China was quite opposite. They were very good about,

676
00:33:54.279 --> 00:33:57.200
<v Speaker 1>you know, figuring out how to how to get things

677
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<v Speaker 1>done in science and math and how to answer questions.

678
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<v Speaker 1>They weren't it on was questioning why or you know,

679
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<v Speaker 1>coming up with another opinion on their own. Oh, you know,

680
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<v Speaker 1>you look at the education system they were they were

681
00:34:10.159 --> 00:34:11.920
<v Speaker 1>designed and set up to do different things, and so

682
00:34:12.280 --> 00:34:14.880
<v Speaker 1>you have to start off like what is what are

683
00:34:14.880 --> 00:34:16.760
<v Speaker 1>we trying to do in higher education? What are we

684
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<v Speaker 1>trying to do in universities? Is it? You know, to

685
00:34:20.519 --> 00:34:23.559
<v Speaker 1>liberal arts is probably different than if you come Berkeley,

686
00:34:23.719 --> 00:34:26.719
<v Speaker 1>you know, the business school, the engineering schools. It's teaching

687
00:34:26.719 --> 00:34:28.599
<v Speaker 1>you knowledge that's going to help you, you know, get

688
00:34:28.599 --> 00:34:35.000
<v Speaker 1>into uh great, great positions in jobs in industry and

689
00:34:35.119 --> 00:34:40.440
<v Speaker 1>lead there. So it's it's you know, where do we start.

690
00:34:40.679 --> 00:34:42.599
<v Speaker 1>I come from the opinion of what what works here

691
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<v Speaker 1>at I House is that you know, we're not trying

692
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<v Speaker 1>to teach anyone what to think. You know, we're we're

693
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<v Speaker 1>not indoctrinating anybody. And you know, if if that's your

694
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<v Speaker 1>goal in kindergarten and you know K through twelve is

695
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<v Speaker 1>to indoctrinate them to all believe in what way? Then yeah,

696
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<v Speaker 1>thinking goes out the window and there's going to be

697
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<v Speaker 1>you're teaching people that there's one way to think and

698
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<v Speaker 1>everything else is wrong. And I you know, you're an anthropologist,

699
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<v Speaker 1>so you know this much better than I would go

700
00:35:11.039 --> 00:35:13.119
<v Speaker 1>back in history and the great societies, like you know

701
00:35:13.599 --> 00:35:17.840
<v Speaker 1>which great societies were built on narrow point of view.

702
00:35:18.000 --> 00:35:20.679
<v Speaker 1>Todd to everybody and everything else was wrong. That's usually

703
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<v Speaker 1>when they start to decline. He's like, when you start

704
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<v Speaker 1>eliminating saying, we don't like what these people are saying,

705
00:35:26.679 --> 00:35:30.559
<v Speaker 1>therefore we need to eliminate it. That doesn't kill fought right.

706
00:35:30.599 --> 00:35:33.800
<v Speaker 1>You can kill people, but you can't kill thoughts or ideas.

707
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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure. I'm sure that's been several movies. I certainly

708
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<v Speaker 1>not my quote great line. Yeah, yeah, you know, but

709
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<v Speaker 1>you know, as I look back at my memory of

710
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<v Speaker 1>history is the great societies were built on discussion, debate,

711
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<v Speaker 1>the ability understanding, not out of fear that someone has

712
00:35:56.360 --> 00:35:59.000
<v Speaker 1>an idea that's different than mine and they may be right,

713
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<v Speaker 1>so I eliminate that right. So yeah, I think, you know,

714
00:36:03.920 --> 00:36:05.719
<v Speaker 1>we're kind of in this path now where we're you know,

715
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<v Speaker 1>we're trying to get k through twelve to being doctrinating

716
00:36:08.320 --> 00:36:11.480
<v Speaker 1>people versus giving them this information and teaching them how

717
00:36:11.519 --> 00:36:14.320
<v Speaker 1>to look at things critically and to ask the right

718
00:36:14.400 --> 00:36:19.599
<v Speaker 1>questions and and and not bet actually arrogant where they

719
00:36:20.360 --> 00:36:22.199
<v Speaker 1>I'm right, everyone else is wrong, And you're not going

720
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<v Speaker 1>to move me off my position because I know I'm right,

721
00:36:24.719 --> 00:36:28.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm smart of the right. It's like wait, wait, hold on, Yeah, yeah,

722
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<v Speaker 1>I mean that's you know that. And there's been there's

723
00:36:34.280 --> 00:36:36.920
<v Speaker 1>been research done. There was a report out of Eye House,

724
00:36:37.000 --> 00:36:39.360
<v Speaker 1>New York. They just an impact report they just did

725
00:36:39.360 --> 00:36:43.559
<v Speaker 1>and they surveyed a lot of their alumni and looked at, uh,

726
00:36:44.079 --> 00:36:47.199
<v Speaker 1>looked at some qualities of our Eye House alumni versus

727
00:36:47.199 --> 00:36:51.119
<v Speaker 1>benchmarking them. And yeah, they're as you would imagine. They're

728
00:36:51.159 --> 00:36:53.760
<v Speaker 1>more central in their political views and more centrists. They're

729
00:36:53.800 --> 00:36:56.760
<v Speaker 1>less you'll actually arrogant. They recognize that they know what

730
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<v Speaker 1>they know, but they also know they know a lot.

731
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<v Speaker 1>They don't know everything, and they're willing to listen and

732
00:37:01.840 --> 00:37:05.639
<v Speaker 1>learn and trying to understand things and continually, you know,

733
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<v Speaker 1>grow their ideas and to grow their understanding. But they

734
00:37:10.679 --> 00:37:15.480
<v Speaker 1>give more in charity, they give more time to the community.

735
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<v Speaker 1>I mean, just a lot of benefits that come from

736
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<v Speaker 1>this environment that I think, are you know, things we

737
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<v Speaker 1>want to encourage.

738
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, totally. That sounds great And I agree where

739
00:37:26.920 --> 00:37:30.119
<v Speaker 2>it's like when we are able to foster those spaces

740
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<v Speaker 2>of kind of intentional bringing together of difference and we

741
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<v Speaker 2>have a ground rule or kind of a first principle

742
00:37:36.639 --> 00:37:38.960
<v Speaker 2>of civility, right, It's such an important piece, you know.

743
00:37:39.920 --> 00:37:42.840
<v Speaker 2>And on the one hand, I think like there are

744
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<v Speaker 2>natural questions that we would kind of point towards critical

745
00:37:45.800 --> 00:37:47.400
<v Speaker 2>thinking of it, just like oh, why does the person

746
00:37:47.480 --> 00:37:49.840
<v Speaker 2>have that practice or that the way they're cooking that

747
00:37:49.840 --> 00:37:51.599
<v Speaker 2>food smells weird? And like that may lead to series

748
00:37:51.639 --> 00:37:54.039
<v Speaker 2>of questions of how do we produce food, you know,

749
00:37:54.119 --> 00:37:57.119
<v Speaker 2>and wider ingredients, like why then kind of saying am

750
00:37:57.119 --> 00:37:58.480
<v Speaker 2>I smell weird? But then I'm saying, well, why am

751
00:37:58.519 --> 00:38:00.440
<v Speaker 2>I saying that's weird? Like maybe they think what eating

752
00:38:00.480 --> 00:38:02.960
<v Speaker 2>smells weird? Right, and kind of this kind of reflection.

753
00:38:03.039 --> 00:38:07.280
<v Speaker 1>Well, having living overseas, I can tell you, well, you

754
00:38:07.320 --> 00:38:10.800
<v Speaker 1>think is weird, someone thinks as delicious. Well you think delicious,

755
00:38:10.840 --> 00:38:13.840
<v Speaker 1>someone else thinks is weird? Right, you know, And and

756
00:38:13.880 --> 00:38:17.000
<v Speaker 1>that's you know, you hate to simplify it too much,

757
00:38:17.039 --> 00:38:19.519
<v Speaker 1>but ultimately there's a reason there's thirty one flavors at

758
00:38:19.559 --> 00:38:22.559
<v Speaker 1>Basket Robin, a lot of people with a lot of

759
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<v Speaker 1>different tastes. And when you think about you know, you

760
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<v Speaker 1>expand that, Well, why we just talking about ice cream?

761
00:38:27.639 --> 00:38:30.159
<v Speaker 1>You can talk about food, you can talk about political views,

762
00:38:30.199 --> 00:38:33.719
<v Speaker 1>you can talk about social views and value systems. Is

763
00:38:33.719 --> 00:38:36.440
<v Speaker 1>that there's a whole It isn't polarized. It is a

764
00:38:36.639 --> 00:38:42.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, a whole continuum of differences across the board.

765
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<v Speaker 1>And I don't even think it's women or where it's left,

766
00:38:44.280 --> 00:38:47.519
<v Speaker 1>right or rich and more. Is that it is this this,

767
00:38:47.519 --> 00:38:53.599
<v Speaker 1>this beautiful like bubble of folks that I feel and

768
00:38:53.639 --> 00:38:57.119
<v Speaker 1>think different ways. And when you see them that way,

769
00:38:58.599 --> 00:39:02.559
<v Speaker 1>it's it's easy to understand that. You know that there's

770
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<v Speaker 1>a luck going on in the world that I are

771
00:39:04.239 --> 00:39:07.719
<v Speaker 1>not that are different than me, and I'm comfortable with

772
00:39:07.760 --> 00:39:10.480
<v Speaker 1>It's okay, Yeah, I'm like everybody else. I got the

773
00:39:10.519 --> 00:39:13.639
<v Speaker 1>difference of opinion, you know, just like everyone else has

774
00:39:13.639 --> 00:39:16.039
<v Speaker 1>a different being and doesn't mean someone has to be right.

775
00:39:16.079 --> 00:39:18.760
<v Speaker 1>We can all, you know, we can all have different

776
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<v Speaker 1>views and and still be right. Yeah. True.

777
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<v Speaker 2>It makes me think that. The earlier this year, I

778
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<v Speaker 2>was talking with Byron Reese. He's a futurist thinker writer,

779
00:39:28.920 --> 00:39:31.679
<v Speaker 2>and he wrote, Uh, He's had a lot of work

780
00:39:31.679 --> 00:39:34.559
<v Speaker 2>on AI and kind of the changes in technology, but

781
00:39:34.880 --> 00:39:37.159
<v Speaker 2>his latest book was this. I don't know if it

782
00:39:37.199 --> 00:39:38.679
<v Speaker 2>was a left or right turn or upside down turn,

783
00:39:38.719 --> 00:39:40.639
<v Speaker 2>and it's some weird turn, but it it was on

784
00:39:40.880 --> 00:39:44.079
<v Speaker 2>like the hypothesis that humanity is actually a super organism.

785
00:39:44.360 --> 00:39:45.719
<v Speaker 2>And I'm not going to ask you to say if

786
00:39:45.760 --> 00:39:47.199
<v Speaker 2>you think that is the case or not, but like,

787
00:39:47.400 --> 00:39:49.800
<v Speaker 2>but the idea in terms of like how we operate

788
00:39:50.280 --> 00:39:52.079
<v Speaker 2>at scale now as humans. You know, as a city

789
00:39:52.079 --> 00:39:54.719
<v Speaker 2>itself cannot function like and you can't pull it apart

790
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<v Speaker 2>and have like just the different system work by itself.

791
00:39:57.079 --> 00:39:59.280
<v Speaker 2>But we can actually do things at these crazy scales now.

792
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<v Speaker 2>And it's it's interesting to think about this idea that

793
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<v Speaker 2>why do we see systems? And actually I'll relate this

794
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<v Speaker 2>to like the the I think the good point you're

795
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<v Speaker 2>making too in terms of what we see great civilizations

796
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<v Speaker 2>and societies doing, like by bringing in essentially diversity, right,

797
00:40:14.000 --> 00:40:16.559
<v Speaker 2>by bringing in different perspectives and ways of approaching things

798
00:40:17.159 --> 00:40:19.760
<v Speaker 2>like in the same way of evolution. What makes evolution

799
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<v Speaker 2>work better and what might make something bigger work better,

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<v Speaker 2>is that it has multiple inputs that are different, right,

801
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<v Speaker 2>and so it tries a bunch of things out. Evolution

802
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<v Speaker 2>tries a bunch of stuff out right, and then some

803
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<v Speaker 2>things don't stay and some things do stay, right, And

804
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<v Speaker 2>that's why we have appulsable thumbs, you know, and it

805
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<v Speaker 2>tastes for sugar.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like this these interesting ideas to kind of think

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<v Speaker 2>about something like how we create these intentional microcosms, like

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<v Speaker 2>with with a group of eighty six nations in my

810
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<v Speaker 2>house is a one excellent experiment of diversity. But then

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<v Speaker 2>also this is pointing towards this idea that like we

812
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<v Speaker 2>can do more, and we as a as a species,

813
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<v Speaker 2>we're kind of weird of this, but we're able to

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<v Speaker 2>do more when we scale up by bringing a bunch

815
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<v Speaker 2>of difference together. Right, It's not about having like just

816
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<v Speaker 2>one perspective, and from evolutionary perspective, that's sup dangerous. It's

817
00:41:04.000 --> 00:41:05.599
<v Speaker 2>like if you only grow one kind of crop and

818
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<v Speaker 2>you get a bug or the season goes bad, you

819
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<v Speaker 2>lose everything. But if you have three or four or

820
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<v Speaker 2>five or eighty five different kind of crops and biodiversity,

821
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<v Speaker 2>you're much more likely to survive. Something challenges ey research

822
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<v Speaker 2>and agriculture and produce. So this is why I'm bringing

823
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<v Speaker 2>up that. But like the food stuff, I think is

824
00:41:19.440 --> 00:41:21.360
<v Speaker 2>always very cool too because it is this interesting point

825
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<v Speaker 2>of like recognizing biodiversity works well for like mitigating environmental challenges,

826
00:41:26.320 --> 00:41:30.199
<v Speaker 2>but human mental, and kind of spiritual and cultural diversity

827
00:41:30.199 --> 00:41:33.079
<v Speaker 2>also works really well too for approaching problems, right, And

828
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<v Speaker 2>that we also don't need one solution, right, We actually

829
00:41:35.079 --> 00:41:36.679
<v Speaker 2>need a bunch of different ways of working together to

830
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<v Speaker 2>solve especially some of the bigger problems that we're facing.

831
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<v Speaker 2>You know, we talk about polarization, which which is a problem,

832
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<v Speaker 2>but it's one of those like very much we've made

833
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<v Speaker 2>it by saying here's the splits in the size. But

834
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<v Speaker 2>I think you're also right that the idea of like

835
00:41:48.719 --> 00:41:50.119
<v Speaker 2>the big kind of bubble, that's maybe I think of

836
00:41:50.159 --> 00:41:51.599
<v Speaker 2>the super organism. It just like it's a lot of

837
00:41:51.639 --> 00:41:55.760
<v Speaker 2>coming together that is actually what is actually what allows

838
00:41:55.840 --> 00:41:58.920
<v Speaker 2>us to change and do better at scale, right, and

839
00:41:58.960 --> 00:42:00.559
<v Speaker 2>the kind of and we need that kind of diversity.

840
00:42:00.599 --> 00:42:03.400
<v Speaker 2>So I don't know I'm seeing it. I don't anything

841
00:42:03.519 --> 00:42:05.880
<v Speaker 2>that resonates, but I feel like that that's it gives

842
00:42:05.960 --> 00:42:08.159
<v Speaker 2>something important to think about it, like what we what

843
00:42:08.159 --> 00:42:10.280
<v Speaker 2>we do about intentional community right now? Why we need that? Right,

844
00:42:10.320 --> 00:42:12.639
<v Speaker 2>we're seeing a huge prise. I'm curious if you see

845
00:42:12.639 --> 00:42:14.519
<v Speaker 2>this as well, Like we know that there's been a

846
00:42:14.559 --> 00:42:16.760
<v Speaker 2>huge rise in especially with gen Z. You know, you're

847
00:42:16.800 --> 00:42:18.480
<v Speaker 2>talking about mental health and saying that we need that's

848
00:42:18.480 --> 00:42:21.519
<v Speaker 2>something that matters to to gen Z folks and they

849
00:42:21.559 --> 00:42:24.079
<v Speaker 2>want to make sure that they have either support and

850
00:42:24.159 --> 00:42:25.840
<v Speaker 2>space for that and be able to talk about that,

851
00:42:25.960 --> 00:42:30.079
<v Speaker 2>whether at university, school or at the job, at the

852
00:42:30.119 --> 00:42:33.440
<v Speaker 2>workplace that they're in. And you know, thinking about how

853
00:42:33.480 --> 00:42:36.159
<v Speaker 2>we are changing conversations right to have these these new

854
00:42:36.239 --> 00:42:39.199
<v Speaker 2>kinds of spaces. You know, what do you kind of

855
00:42:39.239 --> 00:42:42.039
<v Speaker 2>see as the role of you know, higher reed in

856
00:42:42.079 --> 00:42:45.880
<v Speaker 2>an eye house, like in helping shape having that space

857
00:42:45.960 --> 00:42:47.599
<v Speaker 2>right that we can we can kind of change the conversation.

858
00:42:47.639 --> 00:42:49.840
<v Speaker 2>We can bring in more, more types of topics, more

859
00:42:49.880 --> 00:42:51.119
<v Speaker 2>types of folks.

860
00:42:51.599 --> 00:42:51.960
<v Speaker 1>To do that.

861
00:42:52.000 --> 00:42:54.760
<v Speaker 2>Like how how does high red in your perspective work

862
00:42:54.760 --> 00:42:55.440
<v Speaker 2>to help us do that?

863
00:42:56.079 --> 00:42:59.199
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you's something you just touched on. I was having

864
00:42:59.199 --> 00:43:04.519
<v Speaker 1>a conversation with week with being my age and being

865
00:43:04.559 --> 00:43:08.159
<v Speaker 1>around and as long as I have, you tend to

866
00:43:08.159 --> 00:43:14.119
<v Speaker 1>see how patterns repeat themselves, or how the pendulum switched

867
00:43:14.199 --> 00:43:16.320
<v Speaker 1>one way and then it comes back together. I was

868
00:43:16.360 --> 00:43:18.639
<v Speaker 1>having a conversation with one of my one of my

869
00:43:18.719 --> 00:43:23.840
<v Speaker 1>staff who's good a few generations behind me, and he

870
00:43:23.920 --> 00:43:27.480
<v Speaker 1>was commenting about his generation, this generation, this university of

871
00:43:27.599 --> 00:43:32.760
<v Speaker 1>generation and talking about mental illness and how you know,

872
00:43:33.119 --> 00:43:35.199
<v Speaker 1>he made the comment that, well, you know, my generation

873
00:43:35.360 --> 00:43:37.280
<v Speaker 1>is really trying to undo all the damage that your

874
00:43:37.320 --> 00:43:41.960
<v Speaker 1>generation did. And I, you know what, I was thinking

875
00:43:42.039 --> 00:43:43.760
<v Speaker 1>the same thing when I was your age about my

876
00:43:43.880 --> 00:43:46.400
<v Speaker 1>parents' generation. And I it's not like it's a hard

877
00:43:46.480 --> 00:43:49.920
<v Speaker 1>shift from generation to generate. It's it's slow. It's a

878
00:43:50.079 --> 00:43:54.800
<v Speaker 1>slow evolution of of change. And you know, I would

879
00:43:54.800 --> 00:43:56.960
<v Speaker 1>have said the same thing at his age about my parents.

880
00:43:56.960 --> 00:44:01.159
<v Speaker 1>And you know how I grew up. And so everyone

881
00:44:01.159 --> 00:44:04.679
<v Speaker 1>looks back and you know, criticizes previous generations, but those

882
00:44:04.679 --> 00:44:06.760
<v Speaker 1>of us in the previous generation like, we're just doing

883
00:44:06.800 --> 00:44:10.519
<v Speaker 1>the best we could with what we have. And yeah,

884
00:44:10.519 --> 00:44:14.360
<v Speaker 1>we didn't focus so much on on mental wellness as

885
00:44:14.400 --> 00:44:18.000
<v Speaker 1>a group. We didn't. We probably internalized too much. We

886
00:44:18.039 --> 00:44:21.679
<v Speaker 1>didn't work, we weren't good at sharing. However, we were

887
00:44:21.679 --> 00:44:23.760
<v Speaker 1>different than the generation before us, and we felt we

888
00:44:23.800 --> 00:44:26.599
<v Speaker 1>moved the needle, moved the ball alone. Yeah, and just

889
00:44:26.760 --> 00:44:28.519
<v Speaker 1>then that's the perspective we need to take, not that

890
00:44:28.519 --> 00:44:32.199
<v Speaker 1>we're just drawing all the damage my generation did, but

891
00:44:32.239 --> 00:44:36.679
<v Speaker 1>they're just continuing that evolution. And yes, you know, evolution

892
00:44:37.280 --> 00:44:41.760
<v Speaker 1>needs variety, You need diversity to find those better ways

893
00:44:41.760 --> 00:44:45.960
<v Speaker 1>of doing things, and that's you know, in the organization here,

894
00:44:45.960 --> 00:44:48.239
<v Speaker 1>I'm all about continual improvement. We try new things, we

895
00:44:48.280 --> 00:44:51.440
<v Speaker 1>measure the impact, and if it was a positive impact,

896
00:44:51.480 --> 00:44:54.079
<v Speaker 1>then we keep doing it. If it's not, we learned something,

897
00:44:54.159 --> 00:44:57.159
<v Speaker 1>we try something else. But if you're afraid to try

898
00:44:57.239 --> 00:45:01.000
<v Speaker 1>new things because of fear of failure, then then you're

899
00:45:01.079 --> 00:45:04.519
<v Speaker 1>kind of stuck and and you're not advancing at all.

900
00:45:05.280 --> 00:45:07.239
<v Speaker 1>So I agree, like you know, you have to have

901
00:45:07.280 --> 00:45:09.519
<v Speaker 1>all of this diversity of thought. Of that. I didn't

902
00:45:09.519 --> 00:45:11.800
<v Speaker 1>come from an anthropologic background. I came from a business

903
00:45:11.800 --> 00:45:15.400
<v Speaker 1>and management background, which was like, if you're a leader

904
00:45:15.400 --> 00:45:16.920
<v Speaker 1>and you're going to make a decision, you don't want

905
00:45:16.920 --> 00:45:18.599
<v Speaker 1>to be surrounded by people who are telling you what

906
00:45:18.639 --> 00:45:21.719
<v Speaker 1>you already know. That's what's challenging you and asking you

907
00:45:21.719 --> 00:45:25.079
<v Speaker 1>the right questions so that you can be sure that

908
00:45:25.679 --> 00:45:28.760
<v Speaker 1>your decision is the right one, or to be pivoted

909
00:45:28.800 --> 00:45:30.800
<v Speaker 1>off of Well, I didn't think about that. Thank you

910
00:45:30.840 --> 00:45:33.800
<v Speaker 1>for creating that. I'm going to make it. I'm going

911
00:45:33.800 --> 00:45:35.920
<v Speaker 1>to maybe pivot my decision a little bit because of

912
00:45:35.960 --> 00:45:38.320
<v Speaker 1>what you were able to bring to And that means

913
00:45:38.320 --> 00:45:42.960
<v Speaker 1>you need diversity and yet they see anyone quote resources

914
00:45:43.039 --> 00:45:45.480
<v Speaker 1>those you know, diverse teams underperform.

915
00:45:46.039 --> 00:45:48.920
<v Speaker 2>Uh, you know, fake that's fake news.

916
00:45:49.320 --> 00:45:52.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, so it seems to be you know,

917
00:45:52.320 --> 00:45:54.960
<v Speaker 1>let's just take that and just you know, and just

918
00:45:55.119 --> 00:45:57.760
<v Speaker 1>and just feel comfortable that. Yeah, surrounding yourself with difference

919
00:45:57.800 --> 00:46:02.840
<v Speaker 1>of opinions and civility and with listening and understanding and

920
00:46:02.840 --> 00:46:05.119
<v Speaker 1>and empathy is going to lead everyone to have a

921
00:46:05.119 --> 00:46:10.719
<v Speaker 1>better result and we'll be doing it together. So it's yeah,

922
00:46:10.760 --> 00:46:14.119
<v Speaker 1>it's it's it doesn't feel like the windsor at our

923
00:46:14.159 --> 00:46:17.320
<v Speaker 1>back right now with all of this society feels you

924
00:46:17.360 --> 00:46:21.480
<v Speaker 1>know that you know, you see all these these photos

925
00:46:21.480 --> 00:46:23.199
<v Speaker 1>of you be like, this is your globalism, you know,

926
00:46:23.239 --> 00:46:25.920
<v Speaker 1>this is your multicultural you know, and and and it's

927
00:46:25.960 --> 00:46:29.159
<v Speaker 1>always bad scenes. It's not Yes, it's not people coming

928
00:46:29.199 --> 00:46:31.199
<v Speaker 1>together who are different with their arms around each other

929
00:46:31.320 --> 00:46:36.440
<v Speaker 1>saying you know, you know, trying to get something accomplished. Positive.

930
00:46:36.480 --> 00:46:39.039
<v Speaker 1>It's always you know, we need to isolate, We need

931
00:46:39.039 --> 00:46:41.320
<v Speaker 1>to put ourselves in tribes, otherwise they're going to attack

932
00:46:41.440 --> 00:46:45.480
<v Speaker 1>us and take us over or ruin our way of lives. Yeah,

933
00:46:46.119 --> 00:46:50.079
<v Speaker 1>and you know that I have a hard time understanding

934
00:46:50.639 --> 00:46:51.920
<v Speaker 1>why why we're going that way.

935
00:46:52.440 --> 00:46:56.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I wish we knew too. It is a tricky

936
00:46:56.199 --> 00:46:59.320
<v Speaker 2>thing because it's like it's funny too because like when

937
00:46:59.360 --> 00:47:02.199
<v Speaker 2>you spend more time either in an international context, right,

938
00:47:02.519 --> 00:47:04.199
<v Speaker 2>or with people that are just different from you for

939
00:47:04.239 --> 00:47:08.039
<v Speaker 2>an extended period of time, you come to kind of

940
00:47:08.119 --> 00:47:11.719
<v Speaker 2>lose that that fear, right, You kind of lose that

941
00:47:11.719 --> 00:47:13.920
<v Speaker 2>that idea that like, oh, someone's going to steal something

942
00:47:13.920 --> 00:47:15.559
<v Speaker 2>from me, you know, like I'm going to lose my

943
00:47:15.639 --> 00:47:17.480
<v Speaker 2>way of life if I if I learned to listen

944
00:47:17.519 --> 00:47:19.639
<v Speaker 2>to to somebody else that that is different from me.

945
00:47:19.679 --> 00:47:22.239
<v Speaker 2>And it's like this this funny point of like never

946
00:47:22.320 --> 00:47:24.159
<v Speaker 2>does that happen actually, right, And actually you realize you're

947
00:47:24.159 --> 00:47:26.360
<v Speaker 2>actually better off because you actually have a whole new perspective, right,

948
00:47:26.360 --> 00:47:28.400
<v Speaker 2>you have you have new tastes, you have new kinds

949
00:47:28.400 --> 00:47:29.880
<v Speaker 2>of friends, you know how to interact in a way

950
00:47:29.880 --> 00:47:31.920
<v Speaker 2>that you didn't know you know before, right. And so

951
00:47:32.360 --> 00:47:34.199
<v Speaker 2>it's this funny point that like it is this very

952
00:47:34.239 --> 00:47:36.960
<v Speaker 2>flat narrative that's like fear based, right that if I

953
00:47:36.960 --> 00:47:39.119
<v Speaker 2>if I bring in difference, I'm going to change or

954
00:47:39.119 --> 00:47:40.840
<v Speaker 2>it's threatening my way of life and they want to

955
00:47:40.840 --> 00:47:43.599
<v Speaker 2>make it different blah, blah blah, you know, but it's

956
00:47:43.639 --> 00:47:46.559
<v Speaker 2>like the more time you spend with with as humans,

957
00:47:46.599 --> 00:47:48.760
<v Speaker 2>with other humans that are that are different from you,

958
00:47:48.840 --> 00:47:52.239
<v Speaker 2>Like that's not ever really the response of like, oh crap,

959
00:47:52.239 --> 00:47:55.079
<v Speaker 2>I'm losing my way of doing X. You know, It's

960
00:47:55.119 --> 00:47:57.119
<v Speaker 2>more like I might be wrestling with an evolution of

961
00:47:57.159 --> 00:47:58.960
<v Speaker 2>how things are changing, how I'm thinking about things, right,

962
00:47:58.960 --> 00:48:01.559
<v Speaker 2>But never is like I got screwed because I was

963
00:48:01.760 --> 00:48:04.880
<v Speaker 2>living with people that are different from me, right, And

964
00:48:05.239 --> 00:48:07.760
<v Speaker 2>so it's funny that we let the narrative like that

965
00:48:07.880 --> 00:48:09.960
<v Speaker 2>such such a you know, and I think in part

966
00:48:10.000 --> 00:48:12.000
<v Speaker 2>media right, that we let that narrative be so loud

967
00:48:12.039 --> 00:48:14.960
<v Speaker 2>and common, right that it's kind of like we're gonna

968
00:48:14.960 --> 00:48:16.519
<v Speaker 2>be like we don't have to be afraid. It's okay,

969
00:48:16.639 --> 00:48:20.039
<v Speaker 2>like we can actually like it's it's nice they don't

970
00:48:20.039 --> 00:48:21.960
<v Speaker 2>have to like go run and do something that's totally different.

971
00:48:21.960 --> 00:48:24.840
<v Speaker 2>But like being near and with folks that have different perspective,

972
00:48:24.880 --> 00:48:28.079
<v Speaker 2>different cultures than you is quite helpful. And and I

973
00:48:28.159 --> 00:48:29.920
<v Speaker 2>think to your point too, like you don't have that

974
00:48:29.920 --> 00:48:31.880
<v Speaker 2>an anthropology background, Like I appreciate your point of like

975
00:48:32.000 --> 00:48:35.000
<v Speaker 2>a business background is super important, right, and and yourself

976
00:48:35.039 --> 00:48:37.199
<v Speaker 2>you've worked in many international contexts also, which I think

977
00:48:37.280 --> 00:48:39.800
<v Speaker 2>is really important. And like from folks I've talked to,

978
00:48:39.920 --> 00:48:42.079
<v Speaker 2>I've been been doing this podcast for ten years, and

979
00:48:42.280 --> 00:48:45.760
<v Speaker 2>like folks that have international experience always do better and

980
00:48:45.800 --> 00:48:47.719
<v Speaker 2>they always like find it more of a human angle

981
00:48:47.719 --> 00:48:49.519
<v Speaker 2>with the work that's doing right, And especially I talked

982
00:48:49.519 --> 00:48:51.400
<v Speaker 2>with a lot of a lot of business leaders too,

983
00:48:51.880 --> 00:48:54.119
<v Speaker 2>and one because I'm really interested with the work in

984
00:48:54.119 --> 00:48:56.599
<v Speaker 2>business also, but like I'm interested in these questions of

985
00:48:56.599 --> 00:48:59.760
<v Speaker 2>like how do we build better businesses for the future, right,

986
00:49:00.079 --> 00:49:02.519
<v Speaker 2>And like in higher education is also a business right,

987
00:49:02.559 --> 00:49:05.559
<v Speaker 2>and like thinking about inside of it, we see faculty

988
00:49:05.599 --> 00:49:07.480
<v Speaker 2>wrestling all the time with like you know, how do

989
00:49:07.559 --> 00:49:09.960
<v Speaker 2>I either, like on the one political side, divest from

990
00:49:09.960 --> 00:49:12.000
<v Speaker 2>certain things, but on the other side, like I have

991
00:49:12.079 --> 00:49:13.679
<v Speaker 2>to you know, do my administrative work and then make

992
00:49:13.679 --> 00:49:15.639
<v Speaker 2>sure that I'm getting the right kind of you know,

993
00:49:16.400 --> 00:49:18.599
<v Speaker 2>coursework and research and all things like. It's it's all

994
00:49:18.639 --> 00:49:20.559
<v Speaker 2>still part of a business machine in its own way,

995
00:49:20.599 --> 00:49:22.679
<v Speaker 2>as much as some people might limit that. But that's

996
00:49:22.719 --> 00:49:24.559
<v Speaker 2>not a bad thing. It's just kind of getting a

997
00:49:24.559 --> 00:49:26.119
<v Speaker 2>sense of, like how do we run businesses in more

998
00:49:26.159 --> 00:49:28.480
<v Speaker 2>human ways? And so I'm kind of curious your perspective

999
00:49:28.679 --> 00:49:30.960
<v Speaker 2>having worked across a number of different contexts in many

1000
00:49:30.960 --> 00:49:34.239
<v Speaker 2>different higher ed spaces, but also internationally, like how have

1001
00:49:34.440 --> 00:49:36.480
<v Speaker 2>how does how's that shifted the way you think about

1002
00:49:36.480 --> 00:49:38.599
<v Speaker 2>business and kind of running and leading an organization, and

1003
00:49:38.639 --> 00:49:40.719
<v Speaker 2>also especially this one that's like in an institute of

1004
00:49:40.920 --> 00:49:42.800
<v Speaker 2>higher education for folks.

1005
00:49:44.199 --> 00:49:48.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean I think it is that. You know,

1006
00:49:48.960 --> 00:49:52.440
<v Speaker 1>I've never been afraid to, you know, jump from rock

1007
00:49:52.480 --> 00:49:55.639
<v Speaker 1>to rock. So you know, I finished my MBA and

1008
00:49:55.920 --> 00:49:58.719
<v Speaker 1>started teaching and had a one year contract to go

1009
00:49:58.719 --> 00:50:00.800
<v Speaker 1>to Beijing to teach in China. And I'd never stepped

1010
00:50:00.840 --> 00:50:05.199
<v Speaker 1>foot in China before that, so you know, I was

1011
00:50:05.199 --> 00:50:07.639
<v Speaker 1>in a position of my life is that sounded great?

1012
00:50:07.719 --> 00:50:09.920
<v Speaker 1>When I did do my NBA, China was in every

1013
00:50:09.920 --> 00:50:12.239
<v Speaker 1>class and none of the faculty had ever visited China,

1014
00:50:13.400 --> 00:50:15.280
<v Speaker 1>and so I had this opportunity to go live there

1015
00:50:15.280 --> 00:50:17.960
<v Speaker 1>and work there and experience the culture for the first time.

1016
00:50:18.000 --> 00:50:20.519
<v Speaker 1>And you know, for me, and I always had a

1017
00:50:20.559 --> 00:50:25.159
<v Speaker 1>bit of a risk taker quality to me, so I

1018
00:50:25.239 --> 00:50:28.039
<v Speaker 1>jumped at it, and that one year turned into thirteen years.

1019
00:50:28.079 --> 00:50:32.039
<v Speaker 1>And then you know, when you immerse yourself, you know

1020
00:50:32.360 --> 00:50:35.760
<v Speaker 1>you are very much on the defensive and uncomfortable a

1021
00:50:35.800 --> 00:50:39.039
<v Speaker 1>lot of the time because, yeah, I was not the

1022
00:50:39.079 --> 00:50:43.000
<v Speaker 1>norm over there, and the language challenges, the culture challenges.

1023
00:50:43.079 --> 00:50:45.960
<v Speaker 1>You realize that they have a way of organizing and

1024
00:50:46.039 --> 00:50:49.400
<v Speaker 1>running their lives that is very different than how I

1025
00:50:49.480 --> 00:50:53.199
<v Speaker 1>do it or how I was raised doing it, and

1026
00:50:53.199 --> 00:50:56.440
<v Speaker 1>in some ways it was better. Yeah. Yeah, And then

1027
00:50:56.519 --> 00:50:58.119
<v Speaker 1>so realized, well, there's a lot of different ways to

1028
00:50:58.159 --> 00:51:01.320
<v Speaker 1>do things. Well, it's not a right way in the

1029
00:51:01.360 --> 00:51:03.559
<v Speaker 1>wrong way. There's probably one hundred different ways to do

1030
00:51:03.599 --> 00:51:05.880
<v Speaker 1>it that are right. Some of them may be better

1031
00:51:05.920 --> 00:51:10.000
<v Speaker 1>than others, but you know, it's it's It just gave

1032
00:51:10.039 --> 00:51:14.639
<v Speaker 1>me the perspective that people around the world think and

1033
00:51:14.760 --> 00:51:18.639
<v Speaker 1>do things differently and it works for them. So who

1034
00:51:18.679 --> 00:51:20.920
<v Speaker 1>am I to go flying around the world drop in

1035
00:51:20.960 --> 00:51:23.079
<v Speaker 1>this country complain that, you know, all they eat here

1036
00:51:23.119 --> 00:51:25.199
<v Speaker 1>at eleven o'clock at night. That's ridiculous. Why would you

1037
00:51:25.239 --> 00:51:28.239
<v Speaker 1>eat eleven pm? It works for that part of their culture.

1038
00:51:28.280 --> 00:51:31.119
<v Speaker 1>It's not right or wrong, it's just different, and if

1039
00:51:31.119 --> 00:51:34.480
<v Speaker 1>you're going to go there, expect it to be different.

1040
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<v Speaker 1>We have there's something just kind of an introl joke here,

1041
00:51:37.599 --> 00:51:39.639
<v Speaker 1>you and we have. You know, we're based in the US,

1042
00:51:39.679 --> 00:51:41.760
<v Speaker 1>and my staff want to be home by ten o'clock

1043
00:51:41.760 --> 00:51:45.000
<v Speaker 1>at night to be with their families. And of course,

1044
00:51:45.320 --> 00:51:48.519
<v Speaker 1>part of our community here are you know, maybe folks

1045
00:51:48.519 --> 00:51:51.320
<v Speaker 1>from countries where they eat very late at night, and

1046
00:51:51.360 --> 00:51:53.679
<v Speaker 1>so of course they want us to extend our eating hours,

1047
00:51:53.760 --> 00:51:56.320
<v Speaker 1>you know, our dining hall hours. And I'm like, look,

1048
00:51:56.400 --> 00:51:58.199
<v Speaker 1>I understand where you're coming from. But when I go

1049
00:51:58.280 --> 00:52:01.159
<v Speaker 1>to Spain, for example, I don't expect the restaurants to

1050
00:52:01.280 --> 00:52:03.880
<v Speaker 1>change for me, and I can't change for you my staff.

1051
00:52:04.840 --> 00:52:09.599
<v Speaker 1>All Americans live here, you know, this is a regular

1052
00:52:09.639 --> 00:52:11.800
<v Speaker 1>eating time for us. We shut down at ten o'clock

1053
00:52:11.840 --> 00:52:13.760
<v Speaker 1>and they want to clean up and go home, and

1054
00:52:14.639 --> 00:52:16.840
<v Speaker 1>you know, you've got to adapt to that too. We

1055
00:52:16.880 --> 00:52:21.559
<v Speaker 1>can't cater to everybody because they're all different. Yeah, yeah,

1056
00:52:21.559 --> 00:52:23.280
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I think I just was exposed at an

1057
00:52:23.320 --> 00:52:28.000
<v Speaker 1>early age that I traveled around a bit. I did

1058
00:52:28.000 --> 00:52:30.480
<v Speaker 1>spend time in Europe growing up at Irish school, and

1059
00:52:30.960 --> 00:52:34.800
<v Speaker 1>people do think differently, people have different views of the world,

1060
00:52:35.599 --> 00:52:39.000
<v Speaker 1>and I was I never had the idea that there

1061
00:52:39.079 --> 00:52:41.960
<v Speaker 1>was one way of doing something, and all these experiences

1062
00:52:42.000 --> 00:52:43.920
<v Speaker 1>just ought me that, Wow, they do it differently, and

1063
00:52:43.920 --> 00:52:45.880
<v Speaker 1>that's kind of better than how I was doing it.

1064
00:52:46.239 --> 00:52:49.880
<v Speaker 1>They or we you know, how they're doing it doesn't

1065
00:52:49.880 --> 00:52:52.159
<v Speaker 1>work for doesn't really seem to be very effective, but

1066
00:52:52.639 --> 00:52:54.199
<v Speaker 1>you know how they're doing it somewhere else is. And

1067
00:52:54.239 --> 00:52:57.079
<v Speaker 1>so yeah, I just had that perspective of the you know,

1068
00:52:57.079 --> 00:52:59.000
<v Speaker 1>there isn't a right and a wrong that there's there's

1069
00:52:59.039 --> 00:53:01.199
<v Speaker 1>a lot of different ways to do things. They can

1070
00:53:01.239 --> 00:53:04.239
<v Speaker 1>all be very effective depending on the context and culture.

1071
00:53:06.679 --> 00:53:11.400
<v Speaker 1>And so yeah, I felt comfortable being in those uncomfortable

1072
00:53:12.039 --> 00:53:16.920
<v Speaker 1>uh situations, and and and learning and growing from them. Yeah.

1073
00:53:18.119 --> 00:53:20.800
<v Speaker 1>Everyone not everyone has an open growth mindset. A lot

1074
00:53:20.840 --> 00:53:23.559
<v Speaker 1>of people have close mindsets and you know, they're very

1075
00:53:23.559 --> 00:53:25.480
<v Speaker 1>you know, those are the faculty that would come to

1076
00:53:25.559 --> 00:53:28.000
<v Speaker 1>China to teach and then within six weeks they took

1077
00:53:28.039 --> 00:53:29.599
<v Speaker 1>a runner and the aid of the Night flew home.

1078
00:53:30.039 --> 00:53:31.679
<v Speaker 1>Man couldn't handle it.

1079
00:53:31.960 --> 00:53:34.159
<v Speaker 2>Uh Yeah, I mean that's a good point too. It's

1080
00:53:34.159 --> 00:53:35.159
<v Speaker 2>like you have to you have to on one and

1081
00:53:35.199 --> 00:53:37.480
<v Speaker 2>also be like be but you have to have a

1082
00:53:37.519 --> 00:53:39.360
<v Speaker 2>growth mindset, but then also be open so that it

1083
00:53:39.440 --> 00:53:42.119
<v Speaker 2>is going to be different, right, And then like that's uh,

1084
00:53:42.280 --> 00:53:44.840
<v Speaker 2>it's that's also the kind of thing I think that

1085
00:53:44.840 --> 00:53:47.119
<v Speaker 2>that Eye House does a really good job at is

1086
00:53:47.159 --> 00:53:50.039
<v Speaker 2>helping all these students recognize that, like, we're going to

1087
00:53:50.079 --> 00:53:52.199
<v Speaker 2>be in a space of difference and diversity because we

1088
00:53:52.280 --> 00:53:55.440
<v Speaker 2>have eighty six different countries represented here and then there

1089
00:53:55.440 --> 00:53:57.400
<v Speaker 2>could be multiple cultures within each of those, right, and

1090
00:53:57.800 --> 00:54:01.159
<v Speaker 2>like so expecting difference, but also this idea too of

1091
00:54:01.159 --> 00:54:03.360
<v Speaker 2>like helping folks recognize that when you're if you're in

1092
00:54:03.400 --> 00:54:04.880
<v Speaker 2>the US to the certain norms that we have in

1093
00:54:04.960 --> 00:54:06.800
<v Speaker 2>terms of like when when we typically would eat in

1094
00:54:06.840 --> 00:54:08.280
<v Speaker 2>this in this country. I know it can obviously be

1095
00:54:08.360 --> 00:54:10.599
<v Speaker 2>very different, but just like, yeah, like if folks want

1096
00:54:10.599 --> 00:54:13.360
<v Speaker 2>to go home at ten pm, that's uh, you know,

1097
00:54:13.440 --> 00:54:14.719
<v Speaker 2>it'd be very tough to be like, you guys need

1098
00:54:14.760 --> 00:54:16.760
<v Speaker 2>to say till midnight, you know, if that's not a

1099
00:54:16.920 --> 00:54:19.679
<v Speaker 2>not a common not a common practice. You know, it's

1100
00:54:19.719 --> 00:54:21.800
<v Speaker 2>like we're not a bar, you're.

1101
00:54:21.719 --> 00:54:27.440
<v Speaker 1>Roight, Yeah, that's Look, it's just appreciating and recognizing the

1102
00:54:27.480 --> 00:54:31.039
<v Speaker 1>cultural differences that we all have and being flexible and

1103
00:54:31.039 --> 00:54:33.519
<v Speaker 1>and and have grace with other people that have do

1104
00:54:33.639 --> 00:54:37.280
<v Speaker 1>things differently, try to understand why they do it that way,

1105
00:54:37.400 --> 00:54:41.320
<v Speaker 1>and not judge people for doing things differently. I mean,

1106
00:54:41.440 --> 00:54:45.880
<v Speaker 1>just giving people space to be who they are and

1107
00:54:45.679 --> 00:54:48.719
<v Speaker 1>and not just about well, you know, I pay a

1108
00:54:48.760 --> 00:54:50.400
<v Speaker 1>lot of money to stay here. You need to do

1109
00:54:50.440 --> 00:54:52.679
<v Speaker 1>it my way. I'm the customer. It's like, oh, you know,

1110
00:54:52.800 --> 00:54:54.920
<v Speaker 1>this is a community of folks that are different, and

1111
00:54:55.079 --> 00:54:58.440
<v Speaker 1>we need to try to I just be ping ponging

1112
00:54:58.480 --> 00:55:00.480
<v Speaker 1>from one group to another group if I listen to

1113
00:55:01.320 --> 00:55:05.639
<v Speaker 1>you know, keep it later, open up earlier, you know. Right, Yeah,

1114
00:55:06.440 --> 00:55:09.159
<v Speaker 1>it's just it's just we have to find a place

1115
00:55:09.199 --> 00:55:13.360
<v Speaker 1>where we can all be comfortable with way things are understanding.

1116
00:55:13.360 --> 00:55:15.599
<v Speaker 1>It may not be my way, that it's what works for

1117
00:55:15.639 --> 00:55:17.760
<v Speaker 1>the community, so we kind of put the community out

1118
00:55:17.760 --> 00:55:18.639
<v Speaker 1>of ourselves.

1119
00:55:20.000 --> 00:55:23.719
<v Speaker 2>I think that that's a brilliant point actually, because because

1120
00:55:23.760 --> 00:55:25.400
<v Speaker 2>I like the contrast you just made there in terms

1121
00:55:25.440 --> 00:55:30.039
<v Speaker 2>of that this is not about the the the customer

1122
00:55:30.039 --> 00:55:31.760
<v Speaker 2>is always right, Like, that's the wrong attitude in this case.

1123
00:55:31.760 --> 00:55:33.159
<v Speaker 2>This is about community, right, And like, how do we

1124
00:55:33.199 --> 00:55:36.800
<v Speaker 2>actually think more intelligently rather than calling everything a transactional

1125
00:55:36.840 --> 00:55:38.960
<v Speaker 2>relationship because they have a customer at paying for a thing.

1126
00:55:39.119 --> 00:55:41.039
<v Speaker 2>It's like there's money exchange to be here. But like

1127
00:55:41.440 --> 00:55:43.440
<v Speaker 2>you know, me and my landlord, if I'm renting or

1128
00:55:43.440 --> 00:55:46.239
<v Speaker 2>if I'm buying the bank, it's like, you don't want

1129
00:55:46.280 --> 00:55:48.159
<v Speaker 2>to just have this one transactional relationship. You want to

1130
00:55:48.199 --> 00:55:50.079
<v Speaker 2>both know them, you know, and like in this case

1131
00:55:50.119 --> 00:55:51.679
<v Speaker 2>even more so, like having a community as part of that,

1132
00:55:51.719 --> 00:55:54.320
<v Speaker 2>Like a really really important piece for us to remember too,

1133
00:55:54.360 --> 00:55:56.039
<v Speaker 2>that like we're not a bunch of just transactions in

1134
00:55:56.079 --> 00:55:58.239
<v Speaker 2>other people's lives, even though we might there be that

1135
00:55:58.239 --> 00:56:00.199
<v Speaker 2>part of it, but like really three D is see

1136
00:56:00.239 --> 00:56:03.280
<v Speaker 2>what we're ultimately looking for, and like help them keep

1137
00:56:03.280 --> 00:56:04.079
<v Speaker 2>that the foregraming.

1138
00:56:04.079 --> 00:56:06.480
<v Speaker 1>I think that's a really good point. And yeah, I

1139
00:56:06.519 --> 00:56:09.320
<v Speaker 1>think that's because where you know, I'm not a new organization,

1140
00:56:09.400 --> 00:56:11.360
<v Speaker 1>like I keep I said, you know, a hundred years old.

1141
00:56:11.719 --> 00:56:14.119
<v Speaker 1>We've been doing this. We know the way we operate,

1142
00:56:14.440 --> 00:56:16.559
<v Speaker 1>you know, well, some things have changed a lot, some

1143
00:56:16.599 --> 00:56:19.159
<v Speaker 1>things have not changed. And the idea that we have

1144
00:56:19.239 --> 00:56:22.119
<v Speaker 1>to you know, try to create a space that all

1145
00:56:22.159 --> 00:56:24.559
<v Speaker 1>six hundred folks can have the same level of experience

1146
00:56:24.639 --> 00:56:28.960
<v Speaker 1>with all the differences, and we rely on core principles

1147
00:56:29.000 --> 00:56:32.599
<v Speaker 1>and values to do that. You know. I think that's

1148
00:56:32.599 --> 00:56:35.920
<v Speaker 1>where universities have kind of struggled at the moment, is

1149
00:56:35.920 --> 00:56:39.599
<v Speaker 1>that they you know that they seem to be flexible

1150
00:56:39.719 --> 00:56:43.480
<v Speaker 1>on their values and their principles, you know, well, and

1151
00:56:43.599 --> 00:56:45.559
<v Speaker 1>now they're you know, they want to talk about free

1152
00:56:45.559 --> 00:56:48.519
<v Speaker 1>speech on campus, and that's you know, certainly messages coming

1153
00:56:48.519 --> 00:56:52.119
<v Speaker 1>out as as a campus is reopening after the summer break,

1154
00:56:53.400 --> 00:56:54.960
<v Speaker 1>and I'm like, well, where was that when you were

1155
00:56:55.079 --> 00:56:57.800
<v Speaker 1>you know, allowing a group of students to threaten protesting

1156
00:56:58.000 --> 00:57:00.559
<v Speaker 1>violence against a speaker coming to campus. Where were you

1157
00:57:00.880 --> 00:57:04.159
<v Speaker 1>standing up and being strong and saying no, freedom of

1158
00:57:04.159 --> 00:57:08.199
<v Speaker 1>free speech is vital for us, and we're not going

1159
00:57:08.239 --> 00:57:12.199
<v Speaker 1>to let one group decide whether or not the speaker's

1160
00:57:12.199 --> 00:57:14.159
<v Speaker 1>got to be invited or whether or not people have

1161
00:57:14.239 --> 00:57:17.320
<v Speaker 1>an opportunity to listen and try to understand where they're

1162
00:57:17.320 --> 00:57:20.159
<v Speaker 1>coming from and why they come well, you know, from

1163
00:57:20.199 --> 00:57:24.119
<v Speaker 1>their point of view, and they were very quickly, you know,

1164
00:57:24.159 --> 00:57:28.400
<v Speaker 1>they very quickly canceled people from speaking on campus because

1165
00:57:28.519 --> 00:57:31.880
<v Speaker 1>a certain group would offended. They may be a very

1166
00:57:31.880 --> 00:57:38.159
<v Speaker 1>offensive speaker did. But I'm interested in hearing what they

1167
00:57:38.159 --> 00:57:41.519
<v Speaker 1>have to say and asking hard questions about why they

1168
00:57:41.559 --> 00:57:43.960
<v Speaker 1>feel that way and how they you know, how do

1169
00:57:44.000 --> 00:57:47.000
<v Speaker 1>they got to this point in their whole play where

1170
00:57:47.000 --> 00:57:52.639
<v Speaker 1>they feel so strongly that it's just I want to understand.

1171
00:57:52.639 --> 00:57:54.559
<v Speaker 1>I want to ask questions, I want to challenge people,

1172
00:57:54.599 --> 00:57:58.599
<v Speaker 1>I want to understand people better and canceling them and saying,

1173
00:57:58.639 --> 00:58:01.079
<v Speaker 1>you know, I'm throwing free speech. Well, it's we do

1174
00:58:01.159 --> 00:58:04.599
<v Speaker 1>believe in free speech, however, not here, not there, not here,

1175
00:58:04.639 --> 00:58:06.280
<v Speaker 1>and our universities are trying to stand up and say

1176
00:58:06.320 --> 00:58:09.679
<v Speaker 1>a free speech we allow. And that's the challenge is

1177
00:58:09.679 --> 00:58:11.760
<v Speaker 1>that you have to be strong with your principals and

1178
00:58:12.000 --> 00:58:15.880
<v Speaker 1>and unwavering. Yeah, otherwise it's you know, I think that's

1179
00:58:15.920 --> 00:58:20.039
<v Speaker 1>the challenge. And we think about how we left the

1180
00:58:20.880 --> 00:58:24.039
<v Speaker 1>spring term after graduation with all this violence and up

1181
00:58:24.079 --> 00:58:27.239
<v Speaker 1>people on the campuses. And you know, one thing about

1182
00:58:27.360 --> 00:58:30.199
<v Speaker 1>universities is you know there's graduation, everyone goes home and

1183
00:58:30.239 --> 00:58:33.840
<v Speaker 1>a lot of this cools down as people disperse, and

1184
00:58:33.880 --> 00:58:35.800
<v Speaker 1>now we have residents coming back to campus or the

1185
00:58:35.880 --> 00:58:38.679
<v Speaker 1>students coming back to campus. You've got this political cycle.

1186
00:58:39.599 --> 00:58:41.719
<v Speaker 1>It's not going to be just about election day. It's

1187
00:58:41.719 --> 00:58:43.840
<v Speaker 1>going to be election day to the to the beginning

1188
00:58:43.880 --> 00:58:46.360
<v Speaker 1>of January. And what's going to happen after January? And

1189
00:58:47.159 --> 00:58:50.519
<v Speaker 1>you know, there's it's and the situation the Middle East

1190
00:58:50.559 --> 00:58:53.800
<v Speaker 1>is not significantly changed, right it was when they left,

1191
00:58:53.840 --> 00:58:57.880
<v Speaker 1>And so you know, the cooling off period of the

1192
00:58:57.880 --> 00:59:00.760
<v Speaker 1>summer for these universities, everyone has had a chance to

1193
00:59:00.840 --> 00:59:02.719
<v Speaker 1>kind of reflect on how they handled things in the

1194
00:59:02.760 --> 00:59:05.519
<v Speaker 1>past and how are they going to handle things differently

1195
00:59:05.599 --> 00:59:09.239
<v Speaker 1>this year. And it'll be interesting to see how these

1196
00:59:09.320 --> 00:59:14.000
<v Speaker 1>universities deal with the protests that are going to happen

1197
00:59:14.039 --> 00:59:19.519
<v Speaker 1>on campuses relatively quickly and what they take the position

1198
00:59:19.679 --> 00:59:22.800
<v Speaker 1>of some of the other universities. We're bringing the police,

1199
00:59:22.800 --> 00:59:26.360
<v Speaker 1>we're clearing the camps, we're you know, we're p or

1200
00:59:27.280 --> 00:59:29.679
<v Speaker 1>we're going to sit down with folks. We're gonna have discussions.

1201
00:59:29.679 --> 00:59:32.920
<v Speaker 1>We're going to try to you know, find solutions and

1202
00:59:32.920 --> 00:59:37.079
<v Speaker 1>and peaceful solutions and move forward, you know, which is

1203
00:59:37.119 --> 00:59:40.480
<v Speaker 1>what we essentially had here at Berkeley. Yeah, yeah, you

1204
00:59:41.320 --> 00:59:44.239
<v Speaker 1>think about you know, I saw what was flaring up

1205
00:59:44.280 --> 00:59:47.639
<v Speaker 1>at Columbia University, you know, being here at Berkeley, and

1206
00:59:47.800 --> 00:59:50.920
<v Speaker 1>you know this is you know, student protests where we were,

1207
00:59:51.079 --> 00:59:52.880
<v Speaker 1>you know, that's that's part of our brand here, is

1208
00:59:52.960 --> 00:59:56.559
<v Speaker 1>student protests. Yeah, you know, and uh, and I was

1209
00:59:56.599 --> 00:59:59.840
<v Speaker 1>expecting it to be as bad as Columbia, and it was.

1210
01:00:00.400 --> 01:00:06.159
<v Speaker 1>MM administration worked with the with the protesters. They said

1211
01:00:06.199 --> 01:00:09.239
<v Speaker 1>some ground rules about civility and you're allowed to protests,

1212
01:00:09.239 --> 01:00:12.159
<v Speaker 1>but don't block that entry, don't you know, don't be

1213
01:00:12.280 --> 01:00:17.679
<v Speaker 1>violent and they negotiated with them and it was a

1214
01:00:17.679 --> 01:00:21.400
<v Speaker 1>peaceful resolution. Berkeley what them on the front of Fox.

1215
01:00:21.199 --> 01:00:25.440
<v Speaker 3>News every night, which you know is helpful, which is

1216
01:00:25.480 --> 01:00:28.639
<v Speaker 3>you know, surprising, right, Yeah, because it was handled well,

1217
01:00:29.840 --> 01:00:31.519
<v Speaker 3>not every verse you took that approach.

1218
01:00:31.760 --> 01:00:32.480
<v Speaker 1>That that is very true.

1219
01:00:32.559 --> 01:00:34.760
<v Speaker 2>I think that that's a super valuable point too, in

1220
01:00:34.840 --> 01:00:38.480
<v Speaker 2>terms of you know, both being upfront about what one's

1221
01:00:38.559 --> 01:00:40.280
<v Speaker 2>values and principles are and then sticking with them, like

1222
01:00:40.360 --> 01:00:42.639
<v Speaker 2>as because these are the moments when that actually matters, right,

1223
01:00:42.679 --> 01:00:44.360
<v Speaker 2>because it's like, these are the moments when your values

1224
01:00:44.360 --> 01:00:46.679
<v Speaker 2>are actually tested, right, where your principles are tested, Because

1225
01:00:47.000 --> 01:00:50.360
<v Speaker 2>it's how do you respond in a scenario where if

1226
01:00:50.360 --> 01:00:52.719
<v Speaker 2>you're for for free speech but them saying only certain

1227
01:00:52.760 --> 01:00:55.559
<v Speaker 2>people get to get to speak, and then talking about

1228
01:00:55.559 --> 01:00:56.840
<v Speaker 2>what that is and why, And I can say, if

1229
01:00:56.880 --> 01:00:58.440
<v Speaker 2>we're sitting those ground rules, what does that look like?

1230
01:00:58.480 --> 01:01:00.719
<v Speaker 2>But then also saying, okay, are we actually sticking to

1231
01:01:00.760 --> 01:01:02.920
<v Speaker 2>different principles? And I think you're right. We see it

1232
01:01:02.920 --> 01:01:04.599
<v Speaker 2>in the higher education, but we also see it again

1233
01:01:04.599 --> 01:01:07.840
<v Speaker 2>like within professional organizations with cultural organizations, so it isn't

1234
01:01:07.840 --> 01:01:10.400
<v Speaker 2>interesting and challenging important in businesses too. They got they

1235
01:01:10.400 --> 01:01:11.960
<v Speaker 2>got kind of under fire for different reasons, you know,

1236
01:01:12.000 --> 01:01:13.800
<v Speaker 2>but like but still you see when there's there's not

1237
01:01:13.880 --> 01:01:17.320
<v Speaker 2>values being lived out, I think kind of one you know,

1238
01:01:17.559 --> 01:01:20.280
<v Speaker 2>there's maybe that a wrap up question, but just like

1239
01:01:20.280 --> 01:01:21.800
<v Speaker 2>this this idea that like I'm kind of thinking about

1240
01:01:21.800 --> 01:01:24.199
<v Speaker 2>obviously as we think you've touched on this is like

1241
01:01:24.320 --> 01:01:26.159
<v Speaker 2>we are, of course heading into the selection season, so

1242
01:01:26.159 --> 01:01:28.400
<v Speaker 2>it's interesting to think about the universities kind of get

1243
01:01:28.400 --> 01:01:30.440
<v Speaker 2>that cool off period in the summertime when folks kind

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<v Speaker 2>of go away. But you know, so thinking about like

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<v Speaker 2>as we're heading into that season for folks, like you know,

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<v Speaker 2>what do you see kind of with some of those

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<v Speaker 2>challenges or opportunities right like that like campuses can do

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<v Speaker 2>to help kind of foster that constructive dialogue, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>to bring those those pieces in. So I'm like, if

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<v Speaker 2>if folks were saying, Okay, all right, I got I

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<v Speaker 2>need to do one or two or three things, and

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<v Speaker 2>I can't sell it to those things, like what are

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<v Speaker 2>some advice you to have for like other higher education

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<v Speaker 2>leaders or folks that are trying to think about, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>we know we're going to have either protests, we know

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to be having a conversation at least around

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<v Speaker 2>elections and around January and be beyond. So like, how

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<v Speaker 2>do we how do we think about the challenges and

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<v Speaker 2>opportunities that are coming up, and like what would you

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<v Speaker 2>what would you say to other higher admins and leaders

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<v Speaker 2>to try to how do we navigate this in the

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<v Speaker 2>you know, smartest way.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean I could only speak from the universities

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<v Speaker 1>I've been a part of. And one of the challenges

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<v Speaker 1>is that, you know, the loss of what what I

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<v Speaker 1>would consider kind of a campus community where the students,

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<v Speaker 1>the fact lead administration, and everyone sees themselves as part

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<v Speaker 1>of the same community. Yeah, and or even departments looking

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<v Speaker 1>at one department to the other department. You know, a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of times these things are just so siloed and

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<v Speaker 1>so tribal, and it's the administration the faculty against the administration,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's the you know, the students against the faculty.

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<v Speaker 1>It's you know, the budget against everybody. Yeah, yep, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think for the first part is these universities

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<v Speaker 1>have to start healing their communities so that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>they are seeing that they put you know, we're part

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<v Speaker 1>of Berkeley before I'm part of the school or part

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01:03:05.559 --> 01:03:08.440
<v Speaker 1>of what my role is within this community as student,

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01:03:08.719 --> 01:03:15.639
<v Speaker 1>faculty or administrator. But I put just like when I

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<v Speaker 1>look at politics, our problem is we're putting our party

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<v Speaker 1>ahead of our country. We should always put our country ahead.

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<v Speaker 1>They look, the most important thing is this is this country,

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<v Speaker 1>and I would never sacrifice, you know, something for my

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01:03:29.960 --> 01:03:31.960
<v Speaker 1>party ahead of my country. Right now, it's kind of

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01:03:32.199 --> 01:03:36.440
<v Speaker 1>feels very flipped, yeas anything. The same thing with university

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<v Speaker 1>instead of you know, I'm faculty ahead of the university

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<v Speaker 1>or I'm a student ahead of the university, like, except

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<v Speaker 1>that we're all part of the same campus community and

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<v Speaker 1>we need to come together within that and and talk

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<v Speaker 1>about these real issues that we're facing in civil ways,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and trying to listen and understand everybody's perspective.

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<v Speaker 1>And depending whether you're a faculty or a student or administrator,

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<v Speaker 1>you're coming at these issues with a different point of

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<v Speaker 1>view because there's there's trade offs and that are that

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01:04:04.000 --> 01:04:05.880
<v Speaker 1>may be affecting you but not the other groups or

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<v Speaker 1>vice versa. And so the more we can sit down

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<v Speaker 1>and talk and understand each other's point of view, is

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<v Speaker 1>more likely we are to come together and find a

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<v Speaker 1>solution that I think what we see is just this

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<v Speaker 1>breakdown of any kind of community campus community. And so

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I would start with mending, mending communities on campuses,

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<v Speaker 1>and then that gives you a place to bring people

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01:04:29.480 --> 01:04:32.639
<v Speaker 1>together and start to have conversations and how do we

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01:04:32.679 --> 01:04:35.440
<v Speaker 1>deal with these things? And and and and you know,

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01:04:35.880 --> 01:04:39.360
<v Speaker 1>reinforce your principle. Look, we're never gonna get anywhere if

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<v Speaker 1>I try to shut some of you down because I

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01:04:41.199 --> 01:04:44.280
<v Speaker 1>don't like what you're saying, you know, because then we're

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<v Speaker 1>all pointing our fingers at each other, right, and we're

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01:04:46.760 --> 01:04:49.440
<v Speaker 1>never gonna get anywhere. So let's just allow us to

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01:04:49.840 --> 01:04:54.719
<v Speaker 1>come together talk freely. Don't agree. That's why this is

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01:04:54.880 --> 01:04:58.360
<v Speaker 1>a big diverse world. Most people don't agree. However, you

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01:04:58.360 --> 01:05:01.920
<v Speaker 1>can all still get along and uh and find a

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<v Speaker 1>way that we're competing for resources, sharing resources that benefit

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01:05:06.599 --> 01:05:10.039
<v Speaker 1>all of us. Yeah, that's the that's the economic side

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<v Speaker 1>of me coming out.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think it's a great point too, And I

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<v Speaker 2>think that is actually super important because it is like

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<v Speaker 2>it comes similar to what you're saying before too in

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<v Speaker 2>terms of the you know, it's not the customers, right,

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01:05:22.679 --> 01:05:24.760
<v Speaker 2>but it's that the community needs to be put first, right,

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<v Speaker 2>And like and thinking about that too. I love this

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<v Speaker 2>idea for the campus community too, and like when we

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<v Speaker 2>can't sit down with folks and like recognize that we're

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<v Speaker 2>if we're in this together, then we are not competing

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<v Speaker 2>for resources, right, we like we are the resource also,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, Yeah, that's it's an important part of the thing.

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<v Speaker 1>I think so well, you know, the a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>the conflict on the campus is and you know, as

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<v Speaker 1>I looked at the campuses that were on the front

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<v Speaker 1>of the front page every day because of the protests

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<v Speaker 1>and powers had a lot of times, it wasn't necessarily

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<v Speaker 1>the campus community that was causing the conflict. It was

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<v Speaker 1>outside agitators. People beloved the community coming to the campuses,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, that's a tough one to handle because

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01:06:06.719 --> 01:06:10.199
<v Speaker 1>they're they're priority is not you know, being part of

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<v Speaker 1>the university community and running you know, it's it's trying

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01:06:14.440 --> 01:06:17.440
<v Speaker 1>to make this an area where I can you know,

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01:06:17.519 --> 01:06:22.239
<v Speaker 1>get my viewpoint out there to the world. And uh,

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<v Speaker 1>and that wasn't helpful. I can say in Berkeley here

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<v Speaker 1>we didn't have the amount of outside agitators as as

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<v Speaker 1>as some of these other campuses saw. I think that's

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<v Speaker 1>one of the reasons we didn't see so much protest

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<v Speaker 1>and violence.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, there's I think that's that's a good point too,

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01:06:38.079 --> 01:06:41.480
<v Speaker 2>in like, uh, that's a sequel conversation we should have,

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01:06:41.679 --> 01:06:42.960
<v Speaker 2>I think we need to have in terms of like

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<v Speaker 2>how do we think about that, because it's like we

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01:06:45.079 --> 01:06:48.239
<v Speaker 2>do want to both build communities that are inclusive, but

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<v Speaker 2>then also recognizing like what is the on the one hand,

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<v Speaker 2>like what are the bounds of the community that we're defining,

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<v Speaker 2>but then also one of the again principles in the

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<v Speaker 2>like the the kind of foundation that we're building off of.

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<v Speaker 2>In like, if you are coming from a different community,

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01:07:02.000 --> 01:07:04.119
<v Speaker 2>you still have to respect the fact that we have

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01:07:04.159 --> 01:07:07.159
<v Speaker 2>a foundational principle of civility, right, and you're not living

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01:07:07.199 --> 01:07:08.800
<v Speaker 2>up to that, you know, and so therefore you can't

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<v Speaker 2>Like we're not saying you can't have free speech, but

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<v Speaker 2>if you are coming here and causing violence or kind

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<v Speaker 2>of if you're in essence messing with the broader community,

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<v Speaker 2>like that's a very different thing and treating people uncivilly,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, then than expressing your perspective, right, and like

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<v Speaker 2>it's like one of they both, right, you can't you

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01:07:26.920 --> 01:07:29.280
<v Speaker 2>can't express yourself and be uncivil you have to do

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<v Speaker 2>you have to also be civil right as part of that.

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<v Speaker 2>That's interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you know, there are there are folks out there,

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<v Speaker 1>there are groups of folks out there that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>seem to be driven around breaking down, breaking things, breaking

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<v Speaker 1>things down, you know, creating chaos and and and up

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<v Speaker 1>people and violence. And you know, we again acting uncivilly right,

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<v Speaker 1>and so we need to somehow figure out. Yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 1>interesting times, you know, I I as I do feel

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<v Speaker 1>like I'm in a bit of a bubble here at

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01:08:00.760 --> 01:08:02.960
<v Speaker 1>IOUs because you know, we we we just don't have

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of what we're talking about. What happens across

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01:08:06.239 --> 01:08:08.320
<v Speaker 1>the street doesn't seem to carry out when they walk

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01:08:08.360 --> 01:08:11.159
<v Speaker 1>into the door of eye outs. And I would hope

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<v Speaker 1>that you know that the lessons that we learn from

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01:08:15.039 --> 01:08:19.520
<v Speaker 1>from this experience in some ways translate into society. That

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<v Speaker 1>there's some things we can learn from here. Diversity does

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01:08:22.159 --> 01:08:26.239
<v Speaker 1>work if you have just basic ground rules and and

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01:08:26.399 --> 01:08:31.279
<v Speaker 1>again you focused on trying to create a diverse community

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01:08:31.359 --> 01:08:34.479
<v Speaker 1>that works, and not trying to convince a diverse community

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01:08:34.560 --> 01:08:39.039
<v Speaker 1>that my way works. Yeah, and so it's a it's

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<v Speaker 1>an incredible place to be. I I'm very very fortunate

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<v Speaker 1>to be where I'm at and doing what I do possible,

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<v Speaker 1>and uh, it's it's it's an incredible organization.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think it sounds super excited, like a very

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01:08:51.760 --> 01:08:54.279
<v Speaker 2>very cool organization. I agree, and I'm excited for us

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<v Speaker 2>to check it out. We'll put we'll put links in

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<v Speaker 2>the show notes to check out Eye House and all

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<v Speaker 2>the work that yall are doing. So I think I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's really important and it's a reflection now too,

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<v Speaker 2>like if we're in a space that can be an

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<v Speaker 2>epicenter of protests, like on a university campus, that like

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<v Speaker 2>when you enter the door of Eye House, like we

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01:09:07.199 --> 01:09:10.159
<v Speaker 2>don't see that, we see the stability kind of kicking or

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<v Speaker 2>like the kind of like animosity doesn't seem to enter

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01:09:13.039 --> 01:09:15.119
<v Speaker 2>into that space. And that's an important and I think

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<v Speaker 2>valuable lesson for folks to recognize and realize too, like

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01:09:17.560 --> 01:09:19.880
<v Speaker 2>we can set these spaces on purpose. And so I

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01:09:19.880 --> 01:09:22.319
<v Speaker 2>think you're doing some some great work. I'm excited to

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01:09:22.359 --> 01:09:24.720
<v Speaker 2>see that. It's it's kind of like they've been going

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01:09:24.720 --> 01:09:26.720
<v Speaker 2>for so long and that it's going to keep keep rocking.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think it's it's an important reminder that like

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<v Speaker 2>we want to we want to do this. We want

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<v Speaker 2>to build together right.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you know, like I said, we've been doing this

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01:09:33.560 --> 01:09:35.560
<v Speaker 1>for one hundred years and where we're at right now

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01:09:35.640 --> 01:09:37.279
<v Speaker 1>and being the role I'm at, it's looking at the

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<v Speaker 1>next time years and seeing you know, we do have

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<v Speaker 1>this power to convene to bring the community together. Because

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<v Speaker 1>we don't we're a political we don't have a point

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<v Speaker 1>of view. You know. Our point of view is bring

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01:09:48.279 --> 01:09:52.600
<v Speaker 1>people together. And so we can bring folks from all

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01:09:52.640 --> 01:09:56.560
<v Speaker 1>sides into Eye House and have conversations. And I think,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, part of my one hundred year vision if

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<v Speaker 1>you were asked me what you know, what I would

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<v Speaker 1>that's my nice question. I want house in every university

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<v Speaker 1>uh in the world, you know, a place for these

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01:10:08.159 --> 01:10:11.000
<v Speaker 1>communities to come together, put their difference to the side

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01:10:11.039 --> 01:10:14.680
<v Speaker 1>and try to listen and understand. You know. I think

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01:10:14.720 --> 01:10:16.840
<v Speaker 1>in some ways, like a zipper, you know, the Ie

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<v Speaker 1>House can be the start of bringing campus communities together.

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01:10:21.479 --> 01:10:23.359
<v Speaker 1>And I hope in some ways that we've been able

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01:10:23.399 --> 01:10:25.680
<v Speaker 1>to do that here with Berkeley and University of Chicago

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<v Speaker 1>and likewise. So you know, I it's a it's a

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<v Speaker 1>it's a benefit to the campus communities. So awesome cool enough.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm excited. I mean it sounds like we need to

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01:10:38.760 --> 01:10:42.039
<v Speaker 2>build build some more eye houses and or like build

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01:10:42.039 --> 01:10:43.720
<v Speaker 2>some training programs based off of that we can we

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01:10:43.720 --> 01:10:45.960
<v Speaker 2>can bring to the universities or something. Programs we have

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<v Speaker 2>there you go see are you are you ready.

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<v Speaker 1>And let's let's chat in a few years.

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<v Speaker 2>Pretty cool. Also, that sounds great. That's a great so

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<v Speaker 2>Sean soon Carver thinks so much joining me on the POTEA.

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<v Speaker 2>That's been great to talk with you. I'm getting super

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01:10:57.039 --> 01:10:58.640
<v Speaker 2>enthused by the work that you're doing in an Ie

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01:10:58.640 --> 01:11:01.039
<v Speaker 2>house as as a kind of begon for folks to

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01:11:01.119 --> 01:11:02.840
<v Speaker 2>be able to see what's the place we can actually

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01:11:02.840 --> 01:11:05.479
<v Speaker 2>come together to have conversation and and uh, you know,

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01:11:05.479 --> 01:11:07.920
<v Speaker 2>bring stability to it. So yeah, keep doing the great work.

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01:11:08.039 --> 01:11:10.000
<v Speaker 2>I appreciate you taking the time to converse and dialogue today.

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01:11:10.000 --> 01:11:12.039
<v Speaker 2>It's been been a lot of fun and yeah, let's

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01:11:12.119 --> 01:11:13.000
<v Speaker 2>let's keep rock and roll.

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<v Speaker 1>Appreciate it. Thank you so much for the opportunity. Christen