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Speaker 3: not a great game this week in college football. Like
Speaker 3: I'm looking here at the top ten matchups courtesy I
Speaker 3: think this is from This is a graphic that I saved.
Speaker 3: I think it came from either twenty four to seven
Speaker 3: Sports or maybe on three, and they're ranking the biggest
Speaker 3: matchups of the week. And I have a you know,
Speaker 3: if Missouri and Texas A and M is the best
Speaker 3: matchup of the week, I mean, isn't that pretty telling?
Speaker 3: No offense to the SEC. But like, you know, A
Speaker 3: and M. They're still ranked, but you know, I don't
Speaker 3: think they've had a game where you can really figure
Speaker 3: out if they're any good or not Missouri, you could
Speaker 3: say the same exact thing. Boston College, by the way,
Speaker 3: should have beat Missouri. It's kind of an under talked
Speaker 3: about game that you know, was really a close one
Speaker 3: that Boston College. I shouldn't say they should have won,
Speaker 3: but they were right there with the ball with a
Speaker 3: chance to score and win it, and they came up short.
Speaker 3: So I have no clue what's gonna happen. But that's
Speaker 3: not a game that I think a lot of people
Speaker 3: are juiced about. Not a ranked matchup this week meeting.
Speaker 3: There's no ranked teams playing each other. So to see
Speaker 3: Louisville and SMU as the fifth best matchup here, I mean,
Speaker 3: I think that's pretty telling one as far as what
Speaker 3: the week looks like for college football. And I don't
Speaker 3: want to overdo it. But I also think, like you know,
Speaker 3: for only the program involved in the game, Louisville and SMU,
Speaker 3: and I guess those watching the ACC race, I mean
Speaker 3: maybe they know it. I'm sure nobody else knows or cares.
Speaker 3: But it's a big game and I don't want to
Speaker 3: overdo it because you know, I don't want to say
Speaker 3: seasons on the line here, but if in fact the
Speaker 3: goal was to get back to Charlotte. A loss here
Speaker 3: doesn't make that impossible, but it makes it, you know,
Speaker 3: pretty unlikely. And it may be unlikely right now because,
Speaker 3: as we discussed yesterday, the way the schedule sets up,
Speaker 3: I mean, you gotta win this. You gotta win the
Speaker 3: games you're supposed to win, and you got to split
Speaker 3: with Miami and Clemson. A lot easier said than done.
Speaker 3: And I'm sure SMU is looking at this as I
Speaker 3: was gonna say, the biggest game since they've been in
Speaker 3: the ACC. I'm pretty sure this is what their second
Speaker 3: ACC game. But think about it, like, right now, there
Speaker 3: are four teams that I think people realistically think could
Speaker 3: find their way to the ACC championship game in Charlotte.
Speaker 3: The obvious two are Miami and Clemson. After that, it's
Speaker 3: Louisville and then SMU. But not because SMU is viewed
Speaker 3: as this team that's gonna run through the league because
Speaker 3: they're elite. Their schedule, this is the last ranked opponent
Speaker 3: that SMU is gonna play. I mean, I was I
Speaker 3: was kind of speechless yesterday on the show. I don't
Speaker 3: know if it was the four o'clock hour or the
Speaker 3: five o'clock hour, I don't remember, but I kind of
Speaker 3: stopped in my tracks when somebody on the text line
Speaker 3: kind of asked, you know, hey, you know, if we
Speaker 3: want to get to the AEC Championship game, you know
Speaker 3: you gotta split those two games.
Speaker 2: And you're right. I mean, you never know.
Speaker 3: I guess crazy things can happen, but like, if you
Speaker 3: don't want to bank on some very unexpected result playing out,
Speaker 3: then take care of business and try to split with
Speaker 3: with those two teams Clemson in Miami. But when I
Speaker 3: looked at SMU schedule just to kind of see who
Speaker 3: may have the best chance of getting there, SMU has
Speaker 3: a very very manageable schedule. They got the gift that
Speaker 3: Louisville got last year, but then again they kind of
Speaker 3: didn't because last year Louisville they didn't have to play
Speaker 3: Miami or they'd have to play North Carolina, Florida State
Speaker 3: or Clemson. And in the end, only one of those
Speaker 3: teams ended up being really good, which is Florida State.
Speaker 3: But SMU got Florida State. They just got them, and
Speaker 3: nobody knew they were going to be as bad as
Speaker 3: they are, so like they got past that one if
Speaker 3: they get past Louisville at that point, they can put
Speaker 3: it on cruise control. Not to say that they won't
Speaker 3: slip up, because I'm not really sure how good they are,
Speaker 3: but they're playing well now, and like this is a
Speaker 3: huge like in early October, they can, they can potentially,
Speaker 3: and I don't think they're going to. I think Louisville
Speaker 3: will win their touchdown favorites for a reason. But like
Speaker 3: if you're SMU, you look at this, it's like, Okay,
Speaker 3: we get this done and then we just stay focused
Speaker 3: and you know, try not to screw up, and we
Speaker 3: should find ourselves in Charlotte, which is crazy, but that's
Speaker 3: that's where we are. So Duke, they're undefeated, but like
Speaker 3: I don't know if anybody really thinks Duke's good. I mean,
Speaker 3: who's Duke's best win? Maybe Northwestern, I guess, I guess
Speaker 3: North Carolina, but like North Carolina is terrible this year.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's a big win for them because of
Speaker 3: the rivalry. But you know, so this game actually has
Speaker 3: uh you know, and here's the thing. Louisville could beat
Speaker 3: SMU and then SMU could win out when it comes
Speaker 3: to conference games. But if Louisville loses to both Clemson
Speaker 3: and Miami, which again they're gonna be underdogs. I mean,
Speaker 3: SMU is gonna have the have the spot ahead of you.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 3: You know, we'll see what happens with Miami and Clemson.
Speaker 3: They don't they don't. They don't play each.
Speaker 2: Other this year.
Speaker 3: So at the end of the day, what you need
Speaker 3: to do is go seven and one. I mean, it'd
Speaker 3: be great if you can go undefeated. I don't think
Speaker 3: that's realistic at all. And I'm not even saying they'll
Speaker 3: go seven and one because I still want to see
Speaker 3: this team put together a clean game, and you know
Speaker 3: it's going to take a while for it to become
Speaker 3: a consistent thing.
Speaker 2: But they've just been sloppy. I mean, make no mistake
Speaker 2: about it.
Speaker 3: They have now when it comes to person I mean,
Speaker 3: I'm pretty pleased with everything. I feel better from a
Speaker 3: personnel standpoint than I did before the Notre Dame game.
Speaker 3: I mean, Colin Lacy, that's a hell of a debut
Speaker 3: for a guy who really hadn't played since he broke
Speaker 3: his collarbone. I mean, j Cory Brooks continues to show
Speaker 3: that he's a very, very good wide receiver, Tyler Shuck
Speaker 3: had himself a day and then Isaac Brown. You know,
Speaker 3: not to say I predicted it, but I kind of
Speaker 3: did predict it when it comes to the running back position,
Speaker 3: that true freshman, don't be surprised if you get to
Speaker 3: I don't know, week three, week four, week five, and
Speaker 3: he's the guy that is the Folt is the ball carrier, right,
Speaker 3: Like he's not going to get every carry, but he's
Speaker 3: going to be the main piece and he should be
Speaker 3: and I think he will be, which makes it even
Speaker 3: more puzzling as to why they tried to go outside
Speaker 3: with Donald Cheney, which that's not really his strength at all.
Speaker 2: So I feel good about Louisville.
Speaker 3: But you know, I want to see him consistently play
Speaker 3: some clean football because you've got SMU, You've got Virginia
Speaker 3: next week on the road, a game you should win
Speaker 3: because as Virginia stinks, and then you play Miami and
Speaker 3: that's where you really get a chance you'll be you know,
Speaker 3: you'll be hopefully at that point, you'll be a five
Speaker 3: to one football team with a chance to take on
Speaker 3: one of the best teams in the country on your
Speaker 3: home field. Now, they got to take care of business.
Speaker 3: Before then. But if that presents itself, I mean that
Speaker 3: that'd be awesome. So here in Rick Bose it should
Speaker 3: WDRB did a write up here and I'll just read
Speaker 3: you the the headline here at WDRB ACC Power Rankings
Speaker 3: why SMU is a must win for Louisville and he
Speaker 3: lays out sort of what what I just discussed when
Speaker 3: it comes to the schedules for both teams. So Clemson
Speaker 3: to Miami will not play each other unless it's in
Speaker 3: the AEC championship game. So if you just go off
Speaker 3: of the rankings right now, Clemson has one remaining game
Speaker 3: against a ranked opponent. Miami has one remaining game against
Speaker 3: a ranked opponent. You know that opponent is it's Louisville.
Speaker 3: So the schedule favors Clemson and Miami me because you know,
Speaker 3: not only I mean that's that's their toughest game left
Speaker 3: on the regular in the regular season. Now, Clemson will
Speaker 3: play South Carolina at the end of the year, but
Speaker 3: that will have no impact on the ACC standings. So
Speaker 3: Louisville's gonna have to get through the best two teams
Speaker 3: in the league. A home lost against SMU is gonna
Speaker 3: make it to where one. You might at that point,
Speaker 3: you're gonna have to get better, right if you know,
Speaker 3: if you lose SMU, I would say, then you're probably
Speaker 3: gonna have to improve substantially, maybe if you're gonna be
Speaker 3: able to get past one of those other teams. Anything
Speaker 3: can happen on any given Saturday, as they say, but
Speaker 3: this is a huge game, kind of low key. It
Speaker 3: feels weird because you know it's SMU. But it's a
Speaker 3: big game, no doubt. So you slip up here, you're
Speaker 3: gonna need to one improve and then just kind of
Speaker 3: bank on an unexpected result happening. And look, those happen
Speaker 3: more often than not. Those happen. Now how many of
Speaker 3: them I don't know. And again an unexpected result like
Speaker 3: there could be some shake up, some prise, some surprises
Speaker 3: in the ACC, but it may not be an upset
Speaker 3: that really helps you when it comes to your your
Speaker 3: your chase to finish in the top two. So you
Speaker 3: can find yourself in Charlotte. So big game, no doubt,
Speaker 3: and we will talk about SMU. Yeah, we just got
Speaker 3: the RSVP. Billy and Body is a which a hell
Speaker 3: of a name. Billy and Body.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: He is a beat writer covering SMU for their on
Speaker 3: three site, and uh, he's gonna join us coming up
Speaker 3: here at four thirty. The Pony Express is there is
Speaker 3: their website and I like that. But he's gonna join
Speaker 3: us coming up at h at four thirty to talk
Speaker 3: about SMU. Looking forward to that conversation, So join us
Speaker 3: for that, and real quick, I don't wanna again, I
Speaker 3: don't want to overdo this because I'm trying my best
Speaker 3: to to really emphasize the importance and the value here
Speaker 3: for Louisville on Saturday. But like, I'm not gonna act
Speaker 3: like college football is going to be just, you know,
Speaker 3: fowming at the mouth waiting for these two teams to
Speaker 3: kick it off, because I know that's not the case.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 3: Again, comparatively speaking, it's not a bad matchup considering this
Speaker 3: week kind of stinks when it comes to big time games.
Speaker 3: But nude is never good for fans. Fans hate noon games.
Speaker 2: I get it.
Speaker 3: I selfishly love noon games, but I get why fans don't.
Speaker 3: Just so you know, and I'm sure you've heard him
Speaker 3: say it before on his coaches show or at a
Speaker 3: press conference, Jeff Brown loves noon games. He play every
Speaker 3: game at noon if he could, he played nine am.
Speaker 3: If he could, I think he wants to wake up,
Speaker 3: get his guys ready and hit the field. But none
Speaker 3: on ESPN, not the Deuce, not the ACC Network, but
Speaker 3: noone on ESPN. I mean there's value there. I wouldn't
Speaker 3: be You're going straight from college game day to this
Speaker 3: game at Cardinal Stadium. I would not be shocked if
Speaker 3: this is one of the higher rated games for Louisville
Speaker 3: this year, probably top three. I mean it kind of
Speaker 3: sounds like a stretch when you play Clemson and you
Speaker 3: play who is the Clemson and Miami. You know, maybe
Speaker 3: that changes, but it'll depend on where where the game
Speaker 3: is slotted and who you're competing against and Notre Dame
Speaker 3: was a big game. But like for rating, I'm talking
Speaker 3: ratings like only Peacock subscribers watch that game, So that
Speaker 3: won't come close to what you get when you're just
Speaker 3: on ESPN.
Speaker 2: Like being just on ESPN, they're they're, you know, the
Speaker 2: big sticks.
Speaker 3: They say, you're just getting a big boost in viewership
Speaker 3: because so many people just have their TV on that
Speaker 3: channel and they also have it on game day. So
Speaker 3: just for the bleed in crowd that you're going to
Speaker 3: get from game day is substantial. So I'm hoping that
Speaker 3: the team comes out ready to play. But I'm kind
Speaker 3: of just thinking, Okay, well, you know we'll see. Don't
Speaker 3: be sloppy, you know, limit penalties, limit avoidable turnovers, get
Speaker 3: off the field on third down consistently, and you know
Speaker 3: you should be able to take care of business. By
Speaker 3: the way, just a random stat that they're at you
Speaker 3: SMU the most penalized team in the ACC, So let's
Speaker 3: make sure we don't have more penalties than they do.
Speaker 3: Have you noticed John, I say we a lot now
Speaker 3: I started. I didn't used to do that. I used
Speaker 3: to clearly, I'm never I've never acted like I'm not
Speaker 3: a big fan, and I think on this show and
Speaker 3: you know, over the years, like people can tell from
Speaker 3: an emotional standpoint that, like, you know, I'm impacted by
Speaker 3: winning and losing because I'm a fan like anybody else.
Speaker 3: But I've always felt like it was unprofessional as a
Speaker 3: broadcaster to say we, And I.
Speaker 1: Catch myself doing it too, and it's easy to kind
Speaker 1: of get in your head after you say it.
Speaker 3: I feel like I now it doesn't even like register
Speaker 3: to me that I did it, because I used to
Speaker 3: do it and be like, oh wow, I can't believe it.
Speaker 3: Just do that, And I'm like, no, who cares, Like
Speaker 3: I'm you know, I know, I'm like, it's a running.
Speaker 3: It's it's a running, you know line that people use
Speaker 3: when somebody says it we or you on the team, no,
Speaker 3: dumb ass, but like it's my team, So I say,
Speaker 3: we can, you can? You quit taking yourself so seriously,
Speaker 3: So I'm saying we. I mean again, I don't play
Speaker 3: for the team. It'd be problematic if they were lied
Speaker 3: on me for anything.
Speaker 2: But this, my.
Speaker 1: Conversation, reminds me of of whenever fans say you can't
Speaker 1: look ahead, as if we are.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yeah, and you know, like it's one thing
Speaker 3: to say you hope the team doesn't look ahead, right,
Speaker 3: but like quite literally, fans aren't gonna look ahead and
Speaker 3: it won't have any factor on the team itself. And
Speaker 3: if so, then you got big problems. But also like
Speaker 3: that's what fans do, like you speculate, like you know,
Speaker 3: like that's part of it. Imagine like living life as
Speaker 3: a fan where you're like, nope, cannot think about anything else.
Speaker 2: We've got a job to do. We've got to focus.
Speaker 3: Sorry, boss, I'm not gonna be able to get those
Speaker 3: reports to you.
Speaker 2: I gotta watch film.
Speaker 3: I've got to make sure I'm ready for something that
Speaker 3: SMU is gonna throw at us. Can I get some
Speaker 3: extra PTO? I have not watched enough film. I want
Speaker 3: to make sure I get some more conditioning in so
Speaker 3: I'm ready to play. Like you know, fans can look ahead,
Speaker 3: and that's really what I mean Hex Sports Talk Radio.
Speaker 3: Big part of that is speculation, and you know we
Speaker 3: just only looked at in the now. I mean, that
Speaker 3: wouldn't be fun.
Speaker 1: Imagine if the entire week was an SMU deep dive.
Speaker 3: That would be Although I don't know a lot about SMU,
Speaker 3: not only their team, but like I know, they got
Speaker 3: in trouble a long time ago and they were now this,
Speaker 3: I think this is interesting about SMU, to be honest
Speaker 3: with you. They were quite literally paying players, buying teams
Speaker 3: essentially many many many years ago, and they got the
Speaker 3: death penalty. But yet you know, here they are in
Speaker 3: the ACC because they just wanted an invite. They got
Speaker 3: Texas Oil money from alumni and boosters to where money's
Speaker 3: never been a problem for SMU. I mean, they were
Speaker 3: paying for players back then and they were the first
Speaker 3: college program. And keep in mind this is not because
Speaker 3: they've got like money from a big time lucrative TV
Speaker 3: deal SMU. I'm pretty sure joined the league knowing, Hey,
Speaker 3: we don't we don't need we don't need any any
Speaker 3: money upfront, like maybe we'll start getting our revenue share.
Speaker 3: We'll do that five years down the line.
Speaker 2: We're good.
Speaker 3: And then they raised enough money to where they won't
Speaker 3: need it, and that speaks to how much money they
Speaker 3: can pull in, which is pretty impressive, which honestly, I
Speaker 3: think it means they're a sleeping giant, to be honest
Speaker 3: with you, but they were the first program in the
Speaker 3: NIL era to have I think it's called like the
Speaker 3: Mustang something. I don't know what they call it. Maybe
Speaker 3: it's the pony something. But they have a collective and
Speaker 3: I only know this because Sam Williamson, former little basketball player,
Speaker 3: transferred there have it.
Speaker 2: They had it set up.
Speaker 3: And I think it might have been before last season,
Speaker 3: Like before last year's sports calendar started, every college football,
Speaker 3: every football player, and every men's and women's basketball player
Speaker 3: from the collective was earning a minimum of thirty five
Speaker 3: thousand dollars just almost just like a salary, Like that's
Speaker 3: a that's an nil stipend that they could offer, And
Speaker 3: that's before you mean, keep in mind, let's say you
Speaker 3: get no nil money anywhere else, that's all you get.
Speaker 3: You've got to pay for a car, you have to
Speaker 3: pay for where you live, you have to pay to eat,
Speaker 3: you have to pay for health care. Like you also
Speaker 3: get your your cost of some kind of a stipend
Speaker 3: that like student athletes have been getting long before nil. Like,
Speaker 3: you're doing great, stack that money up when you leave college.
Speaker 3: I mean a little spending money here and there to
Speaker 3: have some fun. But if you save the rest of it,
Speaker 3: because you don't have to pay to live anywhere, you're
Speaker 3: going to enter the working world as a non professional
Speaker 3: athlete with a big chunk of savings and a college
Speaker 3: degree that you didn't pay for.
Speaker 2: Like, am I wrong? John? That's badass. Oh that's the
Speaker 2: best way to do it if you can. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So, like they in a weird way, of all the
Speaker 3: schools that have been added, SMU CAL and Stanford, SMU
Speaker 3: is the most intriguing to me because they're not coming
Speaker 3: from a previous Power five but like they've got resources
Speaker 3: that and a fan base that I feel like, you know,
Speaker 3: they are sleeping giant. And speaking of the fan base,
Speaker 3: I had a buddy of mine who he works. He
Speaker 3: works at a law firm and one of their attorneys
Speaker 3: is from He's he is an Smulum he's lived here
Speaker 3: for I don't know, like five ten years or something
Speaker 3: like that, and he claims they've got like a lot
Speaker 3: of people coming like fans, which you know, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I mean that may not be interesting to you, but
Speaker 3: like Louisville usually does not. I mean, I'm trying to
Speaker 3: think of games where you see the most fans from
Speaker 3: the other side when they come to Louisville. Like Notre
Speaker 3: Dame is clearly one that outside of Kentucky, of course,
Speaker 3: but Notre Dame stands out. But like I don't a
Speaker 3: lot of those people are Catholics in Louisville. Bet are
Speaker 3: Kentucky fans that just you know, wear something Notre Dame to,
Speaker 3: you know, go and cheer against Louisville. But like in
Speaker 3: the ACC Clemson travels decent, but like it's not overwhelming.
Speaker 3: Maybe we learn SMUs got an army out there. We'll see,
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Speaker 3: very busy show today. We'll talk more realignment, not because
Speaker 3: like you care what's going on in the Mountain West
Speaker 3: or in the new PAC twelve basically the Mountain West plus,
Speaker 3: but just some of the decisions made by the schools
Speaker 3: that have decided to stay where they are, Like I'm
Speaker 3: so curious to see and maybe we never will find out,
Speaker 3: like why would you not take advantage of the opportunity,
Speaker 3: Why would you not leave the Sun Belt? Why would
Speaker 3: you not leave Conference USA. It's a real head scratcher.
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Speaker 3: there's not any details as far as how many they're
Speaker 3: given away, or really if you need to do anything
Speaker 3: to get them. However, the u of L men's basketball
Speaker 3: twitter account did post that I'll read it directly from
Speaker 3: their Twitter account, the giveaway everyone has been waiting for.
Speaker 3: Grab them at Louisville Live on Friday, and then they've
Speaker 3: got a buy tickets link and it shows a video
Speaker 3: of all the players in front of the Young Center
Speaker 3: before their photo op they were doing I guess, like,
Speaker 3: you know, just doing promotional stuff for the event coming
Speaker 3: up on Friday, and I guess they showed all the
Speaker 3: players the Pat Kelsey glasses that he wears, you know,
Speaker 3: those thick black rim glasses, and they all put them
Speaker 3: on and we're pretty hyped. But the picture here shows
Speaker 3: on one side of the glasses, it says Louisville on
Speaker 3: the other side, it's got Pat Kelsey's autographs, So I
Speaker 3: don't know how many they're given away, but I'm going
Speaker 3: with the family, and I know Moose is gonna want
Speaker 3: a pair. He's only four, he just turned four a
Speaker 3: few months ago, and he's I mean, Pat Kelsey hadn't
Speaker 3: coached a game, and he's he thinks he's the coolest
Speaker 3: guy in the world. He got to, you know, meet
Speaker 3: him at the at the Bats game. And then of course,
Speaker 3: you know, I wasn't really talking Louisville hoops with my
Speaker 3: children the early part of their life, for you know,
Speaker 3: obvious reasons. My daughter, she was a baby whenever things
Speaker 3: were going pretty well. But like with Moose, you know,
Speaker 3: works out perfect. He's now at an age where he's
Speaker 3: really into the go cards. That's what he calls him,
Speaker 3: the go cards. We're going to where the go Cards
Speaker 3: play on Friday, That's what he tells me. Uh and uh,
Speaker 3: he you know, he's I'm not gonna put pressure on
Speaker 3: Coach Kelsey, but like he's gonna be devastated if if
Speaker 3: you know, Louisville isn't good.
Speaker 1: With with Pat Kelsey and the Pat Kelsey era and
Speaker 1: Hope being a success.
Speaker 2: Hell yeah, I hope.
Speaker 3: So you know, whenever president, the president of u of
Speaker 3: L was, she was part of the first pitch that
Speaker 3: that we did last month, and she you know, we
Speaker 3: got to get our little guy in here too, talking
Speaker 3: about Mason, not me. Funny joke for those of you
Speaker 3: you know, and and he said, that's my next point guard.
Speaker 3: I mean, he doesn't know who Mason is at the
Speaker 3: time he did and whatever. But like that, like you
Speaker 3: can't say that and not have it, you know, making
Speaker 3: me feel unbelievable and hoping that it works out here,
Speaker 3: and I think it will. But Friday is your first
Speaker 3: chance to see all of these players in action in person.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: If you went to the Bahamas, that's awesome. I know
Speaker 3: a lot of people didn't get to go. And two
Speaker 3: people reached out kind of saying the same thing yesterday
Speaker 3: on the text line after I mentioned that, like there's
Speaker 3: going to be legitimate Louisville fans that like their week
Speaker 3: is impacted by what happens during basketball season with with Louisville,
Speaker 3: and yet there they don't know anybody on the team,
Speaker 3: Like they can give you a few names, but like
Speaker 3: they're not every day into this, like we are, And
Speaker 3: two people were like, I'm so glad you said that,
Speaker 3: because like the starting five could walk into my house
Speaker 3: and I wouldn't know they are. So you know, usually
Speaker 3: this and look, this is this is really just a party.
Speaker 3: This is a tip off of it to let everybody
Speaker 3: know basketball season is around the corner. I mean, for
Speaker 3: the program itself, it's it's a chance to really show
Speaker 3: recruits what you can do. Really, you know, make it
Speaker 3: a big time event to where fans will think, Okay,
Speaker 3: this atmosphere is great. It's not a real game. But man,
Speaker 3: I want to make sure I come back to some games.
Speaker 3: I want to make sure I get season tickets whenever
Speaker 3: I can. But you know, for fans, it's really you know,
Speaker 3: you have to worry about losing to Kentucky, Wesleyan or
Speaker 3: Leanne Rimes. You know, you're just watching the guys dunk
Speaker 3: and shoot three point, shoot three pointers, probably do some dancing.
Speaker 3: But there are some people I'm thinking that are like,
Speaker 3: all right, I'm gonna take notes because they're gonna introduce
Speaker 3: every single player and I'm gonna make.
Speaker 2: Sure I.
Speaker 3: Remember who it is because it's all brand new, and
Speaker 3: that's not something we've ever had around here, all right,
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Speaker 3: So different, two different texts that are kind of in
Speaker 3: the same ballpark that I want to get to. This
Speaker 3: one says Nick, why would any coach recruit players who
Speaker 3: quit on their team three games in the porlo doesn't
Speaker 3: open up until the end of the season. WTF, which
Speaker 3: that means what the f? And then this one says Nick,
Speaker 3: do you think we need to worry about anybody opting
Speaker 3: out who hasn't burned their year yet? Maybe Maurice Turner? Well,
Speaker 3: I wasn't even gonna read that part. Then I just
Speaker 3: got to read in the teleprompter like Ron Burgundy have.
Speaker 3: I don't want anybody to think Maurice Turner may opt out.
Speaker 3: He's only played in two games, he's injured, and maybe
Speaker 3: he ends up being out longer. Than we anticipated, and
Speaker 3: he has to has to use a red shirt, but
Speaker 3: that doesn't mean that he would just look to leave.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know, I have no clue.
Speaker 3: But as far as Louisville right now, there's a lot
Speaker 3: of guys that have played in three games that have
Speaker 3: not decided to opt out. They're gonna be ready to
Speaker 3: go if needed at Georgia Tech. And there are a
Speaker 3: few that have played one or two and maybe, you know,
Speaker 3: maybe they kind of play it out and kind of
Speaker 3: see where they are. But this is this is this
Speaker 3: is the time. Right you're four weeks in. Some have
Speaker 3: played three games meeting teams. Some have played four, but
Speaker 3: maybe certain guys didn't get a lot of playing time.
Speaker 3: So therefore, if there's four games in and you've played one,
Speaker 3: you still got to you can still play two more
Speaker 3: before you have to think about, you know, backing out
Speaker 3: and burning your red shirt. So this, to me is
Speaker 3: another example of how we just got to realize this
Speaker 3: is a new world. This is completely different than what
Speaker 3: it once was. Players have the ability to look out
Speaker 3: for themselves. They have more control than they've ever had,
Speaker 3: and it's it's different. So when you see guys that
Speaker 3: are going ahead and red shirting and essentially quitting. Like
Speaker 3: part of me says, I don't want to call it that,
Speaker 3: but like it is. I mean, you're not packing up
Speaker 3: and leaving, I would assume, because that would make it
Speaker 3: difficult for you to be able to academically maintain your
Speaker 3: status to where you could be eligible to transfer somewhere.
Speaker 3: But I think if I was, if I was in
Speaker 3: the if I was in the shoes of one of
Speaker 3: these players and I knew I didn't like my role,
Speaker 3: didn't like how I was being utilized, just knew I
Speaker 3: was not gonna be there next year, I would choose
Speaker 3: to be upfront with my coach and tell him this
Speaker 3: is what I'm doing. Because if you don't have the
Speaker 3: stones to do that and just be up front and
Speaker 3: be direct with your coach and you know you're leaving
Speaker 3: what you're gonna do. If he put he tries to
Speaker 3: put you in the game, you just say no. That's
Speaker 3: a bigger pr nightmare for you as a player that
Speaker 3: you refuse to go in the game. So it's not
Speaker 3: a good look, and it's so new to everybody that
Speaker 3: it's just weird. But I think all these guys that
Speaker 3: are this week. I think there were maybe a couple
Speaker 3: last week that did it, not locally, but just you know,
Speaker 3: across the country. It's still so new that it just
Speaker 3: seems like, wow, this is unheard of. I got quitting
Speaker 3: on his team in three games. But if they've only
Speaker 3: got I mean, it doesn't even have to be one
Speaker 3: year of eligibility left. If you've got however many years
Speaker 3: left and you don't want to burn one knowing you
Speaker 3: don't want to waste a year, especially.
Speaker 2: When you can.
Speaker 3: You know, a year's a year of eligibility. That's a
Speaker 3: salary for you. I mean, most most of these guys
Speaker 3: are making some level of money, so you know, in
Speaker 3: a way it's kind of you know, it's kind of a.
Speaker 2: Bad deal for the school. But that's the NS double
Speaker 2: as fault.
Speaker 3: So again, these guys who now opt out after three
Speaker 3: games because they know they don't want to play a
Speaker 3: fourth in burn, burn a year of eligibility because they
Speaker 3: know they're transferring, they're still getting every pity that they
Speaker 3: were supposed to get, at least they should be, because
Speaker 3: now maybe some schools have learned that say, hey, you know,
Speaker 3: you've got certain obl gations that you have to but
Speaker 3: like it's such a mess because NIL, from like a
Speaker 3: legal standpoint, is not about playing.
Speaker 2: It's just who you are.
Speaker 3: So if you've got four appearances through the collective that.
Speaker 2: You or what you have to do as.
Speaker 3: A player to get the nil money that you're supposed
Speaker 3: to get if you opt out, but you're still on
Speaker 3: the team, like you're still there on scholarship. You just
Speaker 3: decided to not play the rest of the year, and
Speaker 3: you show up at one of these events, can they
Speaker 3: tell you, no, you're not needed. You're not getting paid
Speaker 3: because from a legal standpoint, they're not paying you to play.
Speaker 2: No, it has nothing to.
Speaker 3: Like we all know that it is pay for play.
Speaker 3: But because the ns DOAA drugged their feet for so
Speaker 3: many years and wanted this nonsensical amateurism model.
Speaker 2: Which is archaic to lift forever.
Speaker 3: That's why, you know, that's that's how that happens, and
Speaker 3: that's really you know, maybe we'll see some change down
Speaker 3: the line, but right now, you like you chalk that up.
Speaker 3: That's the cost of doing business. I mean, that's what
Speaker 3: it is. It's a loss. But that's the cost of
Speaker 3: doing business right now in college sports. So I would
Speaker 3: I think these dudes who are being labeled quitters, I
Speaker 3: can't say that you're a liar because they're not quitting.
Speaker 3: I mean they are, but they're also looking out for themselves,
Speaker 3: and I think you would probably do the same thing.
Speaker 3: Like there was so much noise out there in the
Speaker 3: first couple of days about that UNLV quarterback he quit
Speaker 3: on his team, and I don't know how he can
Speaker 3: go in the locker room and look at the It's
Speaker 3: a job. Now, you don't give a damn about that.
Speaker 3: I mean, hopefully he makes friends and he's a good
Speaker 3: team player, but it's a job. And if you were
Speaker 3: told you were to be paid something and then you're not, like, well,
Speaker 3: I'll suck it up and you know, sacrifice potentially six
Speaker 3: figures because I just love these guys. I mean, that's
Speaker 3: not what this is anymore. And that makes people uncomfortable
Speaker 3: because as long as we've ever known college sports, I mean,
Speaker 3: this wasn't this didn't exist, this whole new world. So
Speaker 3: that's why players are doing that. And if you were look,
Speaker 3: if you're a coach, and we've seen it enough already,
Speaker 3: dudes will have red flags out.
Speaker 2: The rear end.
Speaker 3: But if they're in the portal and they're available, coaches
Speaker 3: are going to go get them if they think they
Speaker 3: can play. So a guy opting out and wanting to
Speaker 3: move on this early, maybe there are some coaches that
Speaker 3: would say, yeah, that's not the kind of guy I
Speaker 3: want to go get. But I would be willing to
Speaker 3: bet if that players talented. There are programs that would
Speaker 3: you know, coaches, I should say that would be fine with,
Speaker 3: you know, making an exception and going and getting those guys.
Speaker 3: All right, So real quick before we get to our
Speaker 3: next break back to Louisville Live. We now know who's
Speaker 3: in the dunk contest. And we had somebody yesterday ask
Speaker 3: you know who I would who I would put in
Speaker 3: the dunk contest? If you know who I would who
Speaker 3: I would think would win? And I wanted to wait
Speaker 3: and see who's in it. I don't know who's going
Speaker 3: to be in the three point shootout. It would not
Speaker 3: shock me if like every player on the team is
Speaker 3: in the in the three point shootout, maybe other than
Speaker 3: Trey Ora, but that's probably about it. I mean, maybe, uh,
Speaker 3: Big Frank. I don't think he's much of a three
Speaker 3: point threat, but we'll see. They haven't announced who's going
Speaker 3: to be in the three point shot up. But the
Speaker 3: dunk contest is gonna be Kahaney, Russ Cater, Trail Ray, Chucky, Hepburn,
Speaker 3: and uh Frank anselom Ivy. That's the one guy, like
Speaker 3: I call him Big Frank, but the double last name
Speaker 3: and him being like the most like kind of not
Speaker 3: discussed edition, Like he was one of the last scholarships,
Speaker 3: and he's been a four year guy that really hasn't
Speaker 3: played a lot of minutes anywhere he's been. So it's
Speaker 3: not that I forget he's around, but like I forget
Speaker 3: his last name anselom Ivy, which let's be real, that's
Speaker 3: not you know, that's it's not a super common last name.
Speaker 3: But of those guys, and look, dunk contest is all about,
Speaker 3: like creativity and how it looks. Big dudes have always
Speaker 3: been at a disadvantage when it comes to dunk contests.
Speaker 3: Like Dwight Howard won what one two dunk contests, maybe
Speaker 3: more than that, and he would like jump over a car,
Speaker 3: he would put on a Superman cape. And this is
Speaker 3: an era when the dunk contests suck, so he didn't
Speaker 3: have a lot of competition. But like big dudes can
Speaker 3: do something that is crazy impressive, but because you're seven
Speaker 3: foot tall or close to it, it doesn't look impressive. Like
Speaker 3: Nate Robinson. I mean, he did some really cool stuff,
Speaker 3: but it looked cooler because he was five foot five.
Speaker 3: So I'm gonna I think I'm gonna go. I'm gonna
Speaker 3: go Trailray because he's long, but he's not that tall.
Speaker 3: He's like six ' five and he's super athletic, so
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go. Tray Ora is my pick for the
Speaker 3: winner of the dunk contest. I don't think you can
Speaker 3: get action on it, and I doubt it's up there
Speaker 3: for you to wager on, but if so, let me know,
Speaker 3: because I'll I'll bet on Trey Ora. All right, quick break,
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Speaker 3: So somebody wrote in on the text line saying, so essentially,
Speaker 3: players can just red shirt every year and take money
Speaker 3: and just become millionaires. No, you only get one red shirt.
Speaker 3: It's not like you can just keep I mean it
Speaker 3: would be wild though, if you just played ten years
Speaker 3: and you never burned a year of eligibility because you've
Speaker 3: moved on out. I mean eventually somebody would you know,
Speaker 3: somebody would pick up on that.
Speaker 2: But but no, I mean, you.
Speaker 3: Only get one year to red shirt when it comes
Speaker 3: to just like not playing enough games as far as
Speaker 3: medical red shirt, and then there's like a hardship waiver
Speaker 3: where you can get a red shirt. So you know,
Speaker 3: there was there was a might have been Lincoln Riley
Speaker 3: maybe who said something recently in a press conference about
Speaker 3: how it should just be that you get five years
Speaker 3: and the only scenario you would get a sixth year
Speaker 3: was if you had two season ending injuries. And I
Speaker 3: kind of don't think that's I mean, you think that's fair, John,
Speaker 3: I don't think that's I think that's probably that wouldn't
Speaker 3: be controversial, right.
Speaker 2: I think that's fine.
Speaker 1: I do think now that this is the final year
Speaker 1: of the COVID season, I do think once you get
Speaker 1: a few years removed from that, they'll be a lot less,
Speaker 1: you know, jumping around and you're seeing rosters overfilled and
Speaker 1: stuff like that, so maybe it won't even be that
Speaker 1: big of an issue down the line.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: If you remember during the during the summer of the
Speaker 3: college basketball Candid Coaches feature that CBS Sports did, they
Speaker 3: asked coaches a question that actually was something Caliperry had
Speaker 3: brought up at one point. I don't know if this
Speaker 3: was something he said in his early days there first
Speaker 3: few months at Arkansas, but that if you stay at
Speaker 3: a school all four years, you can qualify for a
Speaker 3: fifth year. And I kind of like that because that's
Speaker 3: going to be rare, right, Like, that's not a guy, Hey,
Speaker 3: this program, this coach has developed me for four years. Now,
Speaker 3: I'm going to go cash in elsewhere, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean, Like I kind of I mean, I'm not
Speaker 3: saying like they should do it, but if they did,
Speaker 3: I would have no real issue with it, because one,
Speaker 3: it would benefit a coach for keeping a guy around
Speaker 3: when there's temptation at all times to move on elsewhere.
Speaker 3: And it would reward the player giving him one extra
Speaker 3: year to maybe go out with a bang and make
Speaker 3: some more money, because he you know, he was loyal
Speaker 3: to his program. I doubt they do it, because that's
Speaker 3: just that's a very random like way. I mean, that's
Speaker 3: I doubt that ever happens. But if that's another one
Speaker 3: of those things that if they put that in place,
Speaker 3: I wouldn't have an issue with it.
Speaker 1: What do you think you'd have to pretty much force
Speaker 1: them to go to grad school? I feel like that's
Speaker 1: kind of thing that about.
Speaker 3: Or you know, I guess in a way, you can
Speaker 3: be eligible in college and not graduating four years, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean. Like, so maybe that's maybe that's
Speaker 3: the way the way to go about it. But yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean I like in that and this is just
Speaker 3: me kind of thinking for the smaller, lower level schools
Speaker 3: like the mid majors and even lower you know, that's
Speaker 3: where you'd that's where they'd benefit, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: Like if they had good players who didn't become good
Speaker 3: players until their fourth year, well they they got another
Speaker 3: year to come back as a fifth year guy, and
Speaker 3: they can only play there.
Speaker 2: I mean that that'd be tough.
Speaker 1: Though, if they finally break through and they have all
Speaker 1: these offers from big time schools at that point, maybe
Speaker 1: maybe they hadn't experienced temptation to leave before.
Speaker 3: But they wouldn't have it. That's what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 3: you only get a fifth year if you stay at
Speaker 3: your school. You can't leave, Okay, Like that's what I'm like.
Speaker 3: So you're awarding players, so like, yeah, you can, you
Speaker 3: know you can. You can play a fifth year, but
Speaker 3: it's only because you've played all four at your school
Speaker 3: that that would make it to where and it's there. Look,
Speaker 3: there's still a lot of disadvantage the mid majors, the
Speaker 3: smaller schools, and they always have been like Nil has
Speaker 3: yet to really in the grand scheme of things, changed
Speaker 3: the food chain in college sports, right Like, and we've
Speaker 3: talked about it many times, John, The one team that
Speaker 3: that you feel like they paid and they it paid
Speaker 3: off was that Miami Final four, right yeah, because they
Speaker 3: had no Chadowmere. They went and got the kid from
Speaker 3: who's still there by the way, Igel Pack. Yeah, he's
Speaker 3: still there at at Miami. But that like, other than that,
Speaker 3: teams making like TCU making the championship game two years ago,
Speaker 3: that had nothing to do with with Nil Washington last
Speaker 3: year breaking through and playing for a title that that
Speaker 3: wasn't mean I'm sure they utilized in IL, but like
Speaker 3: it wasn't because oh wow, now they can pay for
Speaker 3: players and they got a lot better they they they
Speaker 3: got Kaalin to Borr before anybody else did.
Speaker 2: That's how they ended up there.
Speaker 3: So if you are a smaller school, you're still always
Speaker 3: going to be a disadvantage no matter what in IL, no, nil, whatever.
Speaker 3: But that is where you feel like, Okay, we've got
Speaker 3: something special here to where you know, if I can
Speaker 3: keep these guys here and get them for a fifth,
Speaker 3: you know that's an added bonus for you in this
Speaker 3: new world where for the most part, when you think
Speaker 3: about who's winning and who's losing, I can't think of
Speaker 3: many wins for the small schools. There's the occasional scenario
Speaker 3: where a good player from a higher level will transfer
Speaker 3: down and really have an impact for you, but that
Speaker 3: that's that doesn't happen that often. I mean, maybe it does,
Speaker 3: we just don't pay attention. But it hasn't impacted enough
Speaker 3: to where you look at all these mid major teams
Speaker 3: making deep runs because they had power five guys decide
Speaker 3: to drop down. But there's no doubt the early results
Speaker 3: here because we're still new and it's still new it's
Speaker 3: still a new world, but the Portal and NIL have
Speaker 3: just made it to where college athletes, which are now
Speaker 3: essentially pro athletes, they now see a value in staying
Speaker 3: in college and playing longer. And I think that's good
Speaker 3: for the sport, especially basketball. Basketball is different because there
Speaker 3: are plenty of guys who you know, they know, hey,
Speaker 3: I can go play basketball over seas. You're not playing
Speaker 3: football overseas in the NFL. I mean, you know, just
Speaker 3: a different. Football is just different from a professional standpoint overall.
Speaker 3: But there are guys who would walk away from Like,
Speaker 3: yeah I could, I could maybe stick around for two
Speaker 3: more years, but I'm as good as I'm going to be.
Speaker 3: I'm never going to be an NBA player. I want
Speaker 3: to start my pro clock now and get two years
Speaker 3: where I'm in my prime, making a good salary overseas,
Speaker 3: and I'll come back and go to school later. Like
Speaker 3: this is about using my craft, my tool to make
Speaker 3: a living for myself and staying in two years for college.
Speaker 3: Yead be a great experience, but like, and I ain't
Speaker 3: making money. It's a good it's benefit. You know, you're
Speaker 3: not hurting probably right, you're on scholarship, You're living in
Speaker 3: a nice student you know, team house, team dorm.
Speaker 2: Probably you got meals.
Speaker 3: Like it's not like you're being tortured, but like you
Speaker 3: could also go make six figures or more playing overseas.
Speaker 3: And if you stayed in college two more years, that's
Speaker 3: just two years where yeah, you had a convenient lifestyle,
Speaker 3: but you missed out on a salary. So now they
Speaker 3: you know, these guys are making more money playing college basketball.
Speaker 3: I mean, Hunter Dickinson. I would love to know how
Speaker 3: much money that guy has made and will make when
Speaker 3: it's all said and done. I mean, he'll he'll play
Speaker 3: pro for a while, not in the NBA, but he'll play.
Speaker 2: Pro for a while if he wants to.
Speaker 3: But I wouldn't be shocked if you know, when he
Speaker 3: calls it a career, you look back and he realizes
Speaker 3: that he made more money in college than he did
Speaker 3: in the pros. It's crazy, all right, you'd be crazy
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