WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:03.520 This is Dan Capless and welcome to today's online podcast 2 00:00:03.640 --> 00:00:05.719 edition of The Dan Caplis Show. Please be sure to 3 00:00:05.759 --> 00:00:08.240 give us a five star rating if you'd be so kind, 4 00:00:08.320 --> 00:00:11.599 and to subscribe, download and listen to the show every 5 00:00:11.679 --> 00:00:15.359 single day on your favorite podcast platform. Glad you're here 6 00:00:15.400 --> 00:00:18.079 to fight some more on this beautiful afternoon five o 7 00:00:18.399 --> 00:00:20.399 six and I hope we're fighting on the same side, 8 00:00:20.399 --> 00:00:22.879 but if not, you'll always be treated with respect here 9 00:00:22.920 --> 00:00:25.239 and love to have the great battle of ideas three 10 00:00:25.320 --> 00:00:27.719 or three seven one three eight two five five The 11 00:00:27.800 --> 00:00:30.960 number text d A N five seven seven three nine 12 00:00:31.239 --> 00:00:34.359 Michael Brown's situation with Michael Brown each morning six to 13 00:00:34.359 --> 00:00:35.439 ten am six thirty. 14 00:00:35.479 --> 00:00:35.920 Kitch W. 15 00:00:36.079 --> 00:00:39.000 Denver joined us for the first two segments of the 16 00:00:39.039 --> 00:00:41.520 four I think you'd enjoy that off the podcast, talking 17 00:00:41.520 --> 00:00:45.840 about Michael's take on June teenth today, and I'd heard 18 00:00:45.880 --> 00:00:47.439 that on his show this morning, thought I gotta get 19 00:00:47.479 --> 00:00:50.280 him on air today. Then Abby Johnson the latest and 20 00:00:50.479 --> 00:00:53.960 why is Planned Parenthood still funded? That needs to end soon, 21 00:00:54.079 --> 00:00:56.719 So we talked about that with Abby. We'll get back 22 00:00:56.759 --> 00:00:58.799 to everything that's going on in a run right now. 23 00:00:58.840 --> 00:01:03.640 The President says up to two weeks you know up 24 00:01:03.719 --> 00:01:05.680 to two weeks they'll make his decision. Of course, that 25 00:01:05.719 --> 00:01:09.519 could mean that he would take military action tonight, but 26 00:01:09.680 --> 00:01:11.760 he's given himself this two week window. At the same 27 00:01:11.799 --> 00:01:15.959 time saying he thinks that Aron is quite possibly just 28 00:01:16.680 --> 00:01:19.200 weeks away from having a nuclear weapon. 29 00:01:19.280 --> 00:01:21.079 So let's go to the VIP line each week. 30 00:01:21.120 --> 00:01:24.079 At this time, we're really fortunate to have doctor Catherine 31 00:01:24.159 --> 00:01:27.000 Wheeler with us, and she's a medical doctor, and we 32 00:01:27.040 --> 00:01:31.920 talk about the medical aspects of abortion and abortion related issues, 33 00:01:31.959 --> 00:01:35.480 because I really do think that, as a guy who 34 00:01:35.519 --> 00:01:37.480 wants to do what I can to help save babies, 35 00:01:38.200 --> 00:01:42.319 that the more people understand just the medicine, the less 36 00:01:42.400 --> 00:01:45.040 likely people are to have abortions, and the more likely 37 00:01:45.079 --> 00:01:47.799 people are to become pro life in terms of policies. 38 00:01:47.840 --> 00:01:49.959 So doctor welcome back to the Dan Kapla show. 39 00:01:51.120 --> 00:01:52.959 Thank you so much for having me, Dan, I've been 40 00:01:52.959 --> 00:01:53.760 looking forward to this. 41 00:01:53.959 --> 00:01:54.519 Well, thank you. 42 00:01:54.560 --> 00:01:58.159 And doctor Wheeler comes to us with special credibility and 43 00:01:58.480 --> 00:02:00.560 she's become a real hero in the pro life movement 44 00:02:00.640 --> 00:02:04.920 because she used to perform abortions as a medical doctor 45 00:02:05.400 --> 00:02:07.359 and then saw that they were wrong for the reasons 46 00:02:07.400 --> 00:02:12.000 she's discussed on air and now goes out and helps 47 00:02:12.039 --> 00:02:14.439 in every way that she can, which is massive. 48 00:02:14.840 --> 00:02:16.520 So, doctor, I know today our. 49 00:02:16.400 --> 00:02:20.680 Focus is going to be on the argument we often 50 00:02:20.759 --> 00:02:24.120 hear from the abortion industry that more women will die 51 00:02:24.240 --> 00:02:28.199 without unrestricted abortion. We hear that from the political left 52 00:02:28.240 --> 00:02:32.439 as well. Could you just analyze that from a medical standpoint. 53 00:02:33.000 --> 00:02:36.039 Yes, thank you, And that probably is the most effective 54 00:02:36.159 --> 00:02:39.400 narrative of the abortion industry and lobby. And you know, 55 00:02:39.560 --> 00:02:42.520 I want to say clearly upfront, it's tragic every abortion, 56 00:02:42.680 --> 00:02:46.039 because we lose one human being, and it's tragic if 57 00:02:46.039 --> 00:02:49.080 we lose too in the middle of it. Nobody wants 58 00:02:49.080 --> 00:02:52.080 women to die, and especially we're talking about almost all 59 00:02:52.159 --> 00:02:56.599 healthy women who had most of them had nothing medically wrong, 60 00:02:56.719 --> 00:03:00.960 and so every bad outcome to the world men is 61 00:03:01.000 --> 00:03:06.000 a consequence of medicine of surgery. So I want to 62 00:03:06.000 --> 00:03:09.599 go back a little bit and through like abortion was dangerous, 63 00:03:09.639 --> 00:03:13.159 illegal and rare for a very long time because women 64 00:03:13.240 --> 00:03:15.560 did really put their life on the line when they 65 00:03:15.639 --> 00:03:19.840 decided or when they were coerced into having abortions, and 66 00:03:19.919 --> 00:03:22.520 then talk about what changed in the late eighteen hundreds 67 00:03:22.560 --> 00:03:24.960 and nineteen hundreds that made it much safer, and then 68 00:03:25.120 --> 00:03:29.199 what happened where this narrative of women will die without 69 00:03:29.240 --> 00:03:32.800 legal abortion came from. So going back through our history 70 00:03:32.840 --> 00:03:36.080 in the United States, again it was dangerous. Women really 71 00:03:36.120 --> 00:03:38.719 did die from it, but it was extremely rare, thank god. 72 00:03:39.479 --> 00:03:42.240 And they often started like now with the abortion pill. 73 00:03:42.759 --> 00:03:45.280 They often started back then with herbs and they weren't 74 00:03:45.360 --> 00:03:48.000 very effective. They would often move up to more herbs, 75 00:03:48.439 --> 00:03:51.199 and when that failed, then they would move into these 76 00:03:51.439 --> 00:03:56.080 procedural abortions. But they were usually untrained people. We didn't 77 00:03:56.080 --> 00:04:00.280 have any sterile techniques. They didn't understand anatomy, so a 78 00:04:00.280 --> 00:04:03.960 lot of women suffered death. But then in there kind 79 00:04:03.960 --> 00:04:08.280 of later eighteen hundreds to early nineteen hundreds, four major 80 00:04:08.319 --> 00:04:11.840 things happened that made it safer. The first is Louis 81 00:04:11.879 --> 00:04:17.959 Pastor under started understanding German theory that basically bacteria were 82 00:04:18.120 --> 00:04:22.199 identified as the source for most infections, and most people 83 00:04:22.279 --> 00:04:24.480 knew nothing about that. So we didn't wash hands, so 84 00:04:24.519 --> 00:04:27.160 we didn't have sterile equipment, We didn't do any of 85 00:04:27.160 --> 00:04:29.639 those things to try to keep our patients from getting infected. 86 00:04:29.680 --> 00:04:33.920 And the surgeon learned about what Pastor was learning applied 87 00:04:33.959 --> 00:04:36.120 it to his practice. It took a while to take 88 00:04:36.160 --> 00:04:40.040 hold unfortunately, but now, of course we used sterile techniques. 89 00:04:40.360 --> 00:04:44.000 The second thing was antibiotics came into existence in World 90 00:04:44.079 --> 00:04:47.399 War Two, starting with penicillin. Of course, that's expanded, so 91 00:04:47.439 --> 00:04:50.680 when people did get infections, there was some treatment to 92 00:04:50.759 --> 00:04:54.439 keep people from dying. But the third thing is anesthesia 93 00:04:54.720 --> 00:05:00.680 and obqyn became techniques got better and training got better, 94 00:05:00.920 --> 00:05:03.759 and so they could surgically intervene with less risk to 95 00:05:03.800 --> 00:05:07.279 the woman if necessary if she had a complication. And 96 00:05:07.319 --> 00:05:10.519 then the fourth really big thing was somewhere around the 97 00:05:10.600 --> 00:05:14.519 nineteen forties somebody came up with a different technique for 98 00:05:14.639 --> 00:05:17.360 the most common abortions, which are in the first trimester, 99 00:05:18.240 --> 00:05:20.920 and it used to be that they had to be 100 00:05:21.000 --> 00:05:25.000 done if they were done properly, with a what's called 101 00:05:25.000 --> 00:05:29.000 a curette, which is essentially a metal loop that is 102 00:05:29.079 --> 00:05:33.120 sharp on the long handle that you introduced through the vagina, 103 00:05:33.199 --> 00:05:36.240 through the cervix into the uterine cavity. And you can 104 00:05:36.279 --> 00:05:39.199 kind of imagine that like a balloon, where you're putting 105 00:05:39.199 --> 00:05:41.600 this loop in there and you're trying to scrape everything 106 00:05:41.639 --> 00:05:43.480 out all the way around. It takes a little bit 107 00:05:43.519 --> 00:05:46.360 of time. They can damage the uterus or go through 108 00:05:46.399 --> 00:05:51.160 the uterus, you can get really serious infections afterwards. Somebody 109 00:05:51.839 --> 00:05:55.519 thought up doing what looks especially like a wide straw 110 00:05:56.160 --> 00:05:59.199 that you attached to section. So instead of having to 111 00:05:59.240 --> 00:06:03.160 scrape around, you put in this little curette with suction 112 00:06:03.680 --> 00:06:06.480 and just rotated as you withdraw it down. The you 113 00:06:06.600 --> 00:06:11.240 knowing cavity is much faster, it's much less dangerous, and 114 00:06:11.319 --> 00:06:14.879 there's less infections and hemorrhage. So by the time ro 115 00:06:15.079 --> 00:06:20.839 versus weight happened, abortion was much less risky. But we 116 00:06:20.920 --> 00:06:23.079 started to have I think there were four states by 117 00:06:23.160 --> 00:06:27.839 nineteen seventy legalized abortion, at least in some circumstances, in 118 00:06:27.920 --> 00:06:30.560 New York being one of them, and there was an 119 00:06:30.560 --> 00:06:35.319 obq an doctor Bernard Nathanson. It was very instrumental in 120 00:06:35.360 --> 00:06:39.199 the passage of ro versus weight, really active in the 121 00:06:39.240 --> 00:06:43.240 policy making, and he stated as an obgen that five 122 00:06:43.279 --> 00:06:45.920 to ten thousand women were dying every year a legal 123 00:06:45.920 --> 00:06:50.600 abortion in the United States, which sounds horrible, and nobody 124 00:06:50.639 --> 00:06:54.240 wants women to die. So the narrative was we need 125 00:06:54.279 --> 00:06:56.800 to make it legal to keep women from dying from 126 00:06:56.920 --> 00:07:00.279 so called back alley abortion. But there were four things 127 00:07:00.319 --> 00:07:03.439 that were true about that what he said was not true. 128 00:07:04.040 --> 00:07:07.439 The CDC in nineteen seventy two reported that there had 129 00:07:07.439 --> 00:07:12.120 been twenty four deaths from legal abortion thirty nine from 130 00:07:12.279 --> 00:07:16.680 illegal abortion, which is really tragic, but not anywhere near 131 00:07:16.759 --> 00:07:22.000 five to ten thousand. Nathanson later admitted that the figures 132 00:07:22.000 --> 00:07:24.480 were totally false. This is his quote. It was a 133 00:07:24.839 --> 00:07:28.879 useful figure, widely accepted. The overriding concern was to get 134 00:07:28.879 --> 00:07:32.360 the laws eliminated, and anything within reason that had to 135 00:07:32.439 --> 00:07:35.360 be done was permissible, and I think we still see 136 00:07:35.360 --> 00:07:38.639 that today. And then the third thing is the back 137 00:07:38.680 --> 00:07:42.959 alley image which he used, which what it really meant 138 00:07:43.279 --> 00:07:46.319 was that this was illegal, So women came in through 139 00:07:46.360 --> 00:07:50.399 the back door to get their procedures. So that's really 140 00:07:50.480 --> 00:07:52.879 what they meant by back alley. Over ninety percent were 141 00:07:52.920 --> 00:07:56.399 done by trained medical professionals. So what we have today 142 00:07:56.720 --> 00:08:00.800 with ordering pills online with no medical professionalved is much 143 00:08:00.839 --> 00:08:03.920 more dangerous than what they did than But you know, 144 00:08:03.959 --> 00:08:06.839 the narrative help. It's been a very useful narrative. It 145 00:08:06.959 --> 00:08:09.720 frightens people. Nobody wants women to die, and so they're 146 00:08:09.759 --> 00:08:12.879 willing to vote for it. So I think in a 147 00:08:12.920 --> 00:08:16.319 future segment we'll talk about you know the myth that 148 00:08:16.399 --> 00:08:19.439 abortion restrictions are killing women, which is how they're applying 149 00:08:19.480 --> 00:08:23.800 it now, But the truth is that it was already 150 00:08:23.920 --> 00:08:27.879 very limited risk by the time that little versus weight happened. 151 00:08:28.519 --> 00:08:31.040 Right, and then all of that, of course against the backdrop, 152 00:08:31.079 --> 00:08:34.440 as you've established so well on prior programs, that each 153 00:08:34.480 --> 00:08:38.320 of these abortions is, as a medical fact, killing an 154 00:08:38.360 --> 00:08:39.120 innocent human. 155 00:08:39.799 --> 00:08:42.799 And so so how. 156 00:08:42.799 --> 00:08:46.120 You know you've got the industry out there arguing falsely 157 00:08:46.200 --> 00:08:48.720 that this very large number of women will die if 158 00:08:49.120 --> 00:08:53.120 if there is not a legal right to kill a 159 00:08:53.200 --> 00:08:54.200 million or more a year. 160 00:08:54.360 --> 00:08:57.639 I mean that that's and dead to me. 161 00:08:57.720 --> 00:08:59.759 It's always been baffling, and I know we're coming up 162 00:09:00.120 --> 00:09:02.279 under the segment baffling is the kind word that all 163 00:09:02.279 --> 00:09:06.879 these people who pretend to be pro women are out 164 00:09:06.879 --> 00:09:12.759 there making this argument to actively push a policy that's 165 00:09:12.879 --> 00:09:16.559 killing at least six or seven hundred thousand females a 166 00:09:16.639 --> 00:09:19.159 year who are on the receiving end of an abortion. 167 00:09:20.480 --> 00:09:23.720 Exactly, you're right, And we only talked about half of 168 00:09:23.759 --> 00:09:27.720 the person and people involved today, yeah, or last because 169 00:09:27.720 --> 00:09:29.720 we haven't talked about the men yet and how it 170 00:09:29.759 --> 00:09:34.200 affects family. But yes, the number one issue is that 171 00:09:35.480 --> 00:09:41.000 a living human being of incredible value, guys always and 172 00:09:41.080 --> 00:09:44.279 when the woman dies too, that's even that just adds 173 00:09:44.320 --> 00:09:45.200 to the tragedy. 174 00:09:45.799 --> 00:09:47.919 Well, and it's so helpful to have you addressing all 175 00:09:47.960 --> 00:09:50.799 of this from a medical standpoint. And next week we're 176 00:09:50.799 --> 00:09:55.039 going to talk about, you know, is abortion really fourteen 177 00:09:55.080 --> 00:09:58.159 times safer than childbirth, because that's one of the arguments 178 00:09:58.240 --> 00:10:00.840 you often here made as well. So we'll deep dive 179 00:10:00.919 --> 00:10:04.039 that next Thursday at five oh six. 180 00:10:05.360 --> 00:10:06.960 Thank you so much for having me on. 181 00:10:07.279 --> 00:10:10.200 Thank you, doctor, it's always great. That's doctor Catherine Wheeler. 182 00:10:10.200 --> 00:10:12.240 Three or three someone three eight two five five the 183 00:10:12.320 --> 00:10:15.159 number text d A and five seven seven thirty nine. Hey, 184 00:10:15.200 --> 00:10:16.679 when we come back, we'll do a lot of stuff, 185 00:10:16.679 --> 00:10:21.480 including the latest with Mike Johnston moving Denver toward insolvency 186 00:10:21.519 --> 00:10:23.440 and listen, I'm not predicting Denver. It's going to become 187 00:10:23.440 --> 00:10:26.679 in solvent soon, but it cannot keep this up. But 188 00:10:26.879 --> 00:10:28.519 I also want to give you the latest down Iran. 189 00:10:28.559 --> 00:10:29.759 You're on the Dan Kapla Show. 190 00:10:31.639 --> 00:10:34.039 And now back to the Dan Kaplas Show podcast. 191 00:10:34.960 --> 00:10:37.559 Perfect bump right there, Ryan, because it is the end 192 00:10:37.600 --> 00:10:41.080 of the world as we know it. Iran is never 193 00:10:41.120 --> 00:10:43.519 going to be the same, and that's a very good thing. No, 194 00:10:43.639 --> 00:10:46.399 we don't have a culmination to this yet, but we 195 00:10:46.519 --> 00:10:49.879 just know with all the success that Israel has already had, 196 00:10:50.360 --> 00:10:52.399 it's never going to be the same there. And that's 197 00:10:52.440 --> 00:10:55.080 great for us as Americans, because Iran was very close 198 00:10:55.120 --> 00:10:59.360 to a nuclear weapon probably excuse me, still working on 199 00:10:59.480 --> 00:11:02.679 it as we right now. I mean, Afford, you're talking 200 00:11:02.720 --> 00:11:06.919 about one hundred yards you know, probably one hundred yards underground, 201 00:11:07.000 --> 00:11:09.559 maybe a little bit sideways behind, you know, a hard 202 00:11:09.639 --> 00:11:12.399 rock in a mountain side. They're probably still in there 203 00:11:12.480 --> 00:11:16.720 right now spinning it and trying to get a nuclear 204 00:11:16.759 --> 00:11:17.559 weapon active. 205 00:11:18.159 --> 00:11:21.679 So but but never going to be the same. 206 00:11:21.480 --> 00:11:23.519 And that's probably gonna end up a very very good 207 00:11:23.600 --> 00:11:25.919 thing for the people of this nation, in our great 208 00:11:25.919 --> 00:11:28.759 alli Israel and the world. Alrighty, we're going to get 209 00:11:28.759 --> 00:11:32.080 to the phone lines text as well. I do want 210 00:11:32.120 --> 00:11:36.320 to say, though, and just what a gut punch I 211 00:11:36.360 --> 00:11:39.519 got this text during the break one of the greatest 212 00:11:39.600 --> 00:11:43.440 judges ever in Colorado suddenly passed away totally out of 213 00:11:43.440 --> 00:11:49.320 the blue, a man named Judge Joseph Bellapani and I 214 00:11:50.240 --> 00:11:52.799 tried my first big case in front of him my 215 00:11:52.840 --> 00:11:53.559 first year out. 216 00:11:53.399 --> 00:11:54.000 Of law school. 217 00:11:54.039 --> 00:11:58.080 It was almost a month long, complicated jury trial, and 218 00:11:58.399 --> 00:12:00.879 he you know, I was nobody, and I was nothing, 219 00:12:00.879 --> 00:12:03.240 and I was this kid out of school. I knew nothing, 220 00:12:03.320 --> 00:12:06.559 but I was working hard and doing my very best 221 00:12:06.600 --> 00:12:10.080 and up against probably three of the top five lawyers 222 00:12:10.120 --> 00:12:13.399 in the state. And he treated me very fairly and 223 00:12:13.919 --> 00:12:18.120 gave me every opportunity and just always respected him. And 224 00:12:18.120 --> 00:12:20.320 then did a bunch of cases in front of him 225 00:12:20.360 --> 00:12:23.039 after that. He was a great mediator at Judicial Arbiter 226 00:12:23.080 --> 00:12:27.399 Group and he's now passed away. So just a great 227 00:12:27.480 --> 00:12:31.320 public servant, Judge Joe Bellaponi. So prayers for his family. Please, 228 00:12:31.840 --> 00:12:34.759 let's go to the phone lines, and for the judge 229 00:12:35.679 --> 00:12:39.000 though I can't picture him anywhere, but heaven very quickly. 230 00:12:39.159 --> 00:12:41.919 Adam in severance here on the dan Kaplis show. 231 00:12:41.960 --> 00:12:48.720 Welcome well to that point, real fast making rest in peace. 232 00:12:48.840 --> 00:12:50.919 That's a sad thank you, thank you. 233 00:12:51.120 --> 00:12:51.399 Wow. 234 00:12:52.039 --> 00:12:54.080 Well it's about to lose good men. 235 00:12:54.639 --> 00:12:56.919 Yeah, And it's just a reminder, right, we're all day 236 00:12:56.919 --> 00:12:58.519 to day. I mean, I was just talking to somebody 237 00:12:58.559 --> 00:13:01.200 last week about we need judge A. Pone to mediate 238 00:13:01.240 --> 00:13:03.519 this big case we have and then all of a 239 00:13:03.559 --> 00:13:04.360 sudden he's gone. 240 00:13:04.440 --> 00:13:14.120 But yeah, we're all just we're all just right for all. Yeah. 241 00:13:14.320 --> 00:13:18.440 On a on a different note, however, I was calling 242 00:13:18.480 --> 00:13:22.440 in regard to the the Iran situation. I'm on the 243 00:13:22.519 --> 00:13:29.519 mind that I think, you know, especially that foordoh uh location, 244 00:13:30.200 --> 00:13:33.720 I think we really need to just go in trump 245 00:13:33.720 --> 00:13:36.720 Neys to send it at be too sorty and just 246 00:13:36.919 --> 00:13:41.240 take it out. For for two reasons, because if we 247 00:13:41.679 --> 00:13:45.279 negotiate some sort of a truth or you know, surrender, 248 00:13:47.159 --> 00:13:50.240 it only gives the opportunity for Iran to go and 249 00:13:50.720 --> 00:13:54.960 subvert the rules and move things around. You know, there'll 250 00:13:55.000 --> 00:13:57.519 be time in there, and that's you know, that's only 251 00:13:57.519 --> 00:14:01.480 going to work in their favor. But then the other 252 00:14:01.559 --> 00:14:04.440 part is it sends a clear message to the rest 253 00:14:04.480 --> 00:14:07.279 of the world that we are not to be messed with. 254 00:14:07.600 --> 00:14:12.159 And when when something, when Trump says something, he means 255 00:14:12.200 --> 00:14:15.399 it and it will happen. Yeah, And then I think 256 00:14:15.679 --> 00:14:18.399 what Trump should do to take it one step further. 257 00:14:19.120 --> 00:14:21.799 I think you'll find this kind of entertaining once we've 258 00:14:21.960 --> 00:14:24.360 once we've leveled the sides and we've encased all that 259 00:14:24.519 --> 00:14:27.600 urine or all that plutonium down there, and nobody can 260 00:14:27.679 --> 00:14:28.919 ever set foot on the ground. 261 00:14:28.960 --> 00:14:29.279 Again. 262 00:14:30.000 --> 00:14:33.519 We build a Statue of Liberty statue here in the 263 00:14:33.639 --> 00:14:38.159 United States, and we fly it over via helicopter. Well, 264 00:14:38.240 --> 00:14:43.879 instead of the statue holding the porch, that's holding the 265 00:14:44.000 --> 00:14:48.720 Jewish Star of David up high, and we set it 266 00:14:48.759 --> 00:14:52.399 down right on top of that site where they can't 267 00:14:52.480 --> 00:14:54.720 touch it for the next millennium. 268 00:14:55.120 --> 00:14:57.600 Yeah, you might need a ship for that trip. But Adam, 269 00:14:57.799 --> 00:15:01.000 you made a brilliant point there, which is that President 270 00:15:01.039 --> 00:15:05.480 Trump's really historic effectiveness has been you know, through peace 271 00:15:05.519 --> 00:15:08.600 through strength, and people take him seriously and his threats seriously, 272 00:15:08.639 --> 00:15:10.919 and they don't want to mess with him. And so 273 00:15:11.480 --> 00:15:14.519 when he stakes out a position like he has around 274 00:15:14.559 --> 00:15:18.600 will not have nuclear weapons total surrender, there's no way 275 00:15:18.679 --> 00:15:21.080 he does that without intending to deliver on it. And 276 00:15:21.519 --> 00:15:24.279 so when he says today there's still room for diplomacy, 277 00:15:24.759 --> 00:15:28.480 I think that's more of a tactical strategic statement, and 278 00:15:29.039 --> 00:15:33.039 I think diplomacy, yes, technically, would include total surrender, total 279 00:15:33.080 --> 00:15:35.080 give up of the nuclear program. But he's not going 280 00:15:35.120 --> 00:15:37.120 to settle for less than that for a lot of 281 00:15:37.120 --> 00:15:40.000 different reasons, starting with our national security. He's proven he's 282 00:15:40.000 --> 00:15:42.639 willing to die for our national security. He proved that 283 00:15:42.679 --> 00:15:44.519 when he took out Sola money, and he knew that 284 00:15:44.559 --> 00:15:46.679 would put a target on his own back. He was 285 00:15:46.720 --> 00:15:49.240 willing to put that risk on his own head to 286 00:15:49.279 --> 00:15:54.000 protect us. And the second is effectiveness. Now with Russia 287 00:15:54.559 --> 00:15:58.279 end up getting peace in Ukraine, effectiveness with g other 288 00:15:58.320 --> 00:16:00.840 bad actors around the world, is going to deliver on 289 00:16:00.879 --> 00:16:03.240 that promise? Got to go to this call next, because 290 00:16:03.240 --> 00:16:06.039 I don't think in decades on air, I've ever had 291 00:16:06.039 --> 00:16:09.080 in Athena called the show Asina Welcome to the Dan 292 00:16:09.159 --> 00:16:09.840 Kapla Show. 293 00:16:10.919 --> 00:16:12.799 Oh hi Dan, thanks for taking my car. 294 00:16:13.559 --> 00:16:13.759 Yeah. 295 00:16:13.799 --> 00:16:15.480 I just just wanted to weigh in a little bit 296 00:16:15.480 --> 00:16:21.360 on this whole Iran versus Israel nuke situation. I think 297 00:16:21.399 --> 00:16:23.360 that because I just heard you're talking about, you know, 298 00:16:23.399 --> 00:16:25.840 it's pretty clear we need to go in. Iran has 299 00:16:25.879 --> 00:16:29.759 a nuclear bomb, blah blah blah. I want to try 300 00:16:29.799 --> 00:16:33.840 to juxtapose or why does why is everybody overlooking Just 301 00:16:33.919 --> 00:16:38.519 a few months ago, when Sealthy Gabbard testified that there's 302 00:16:38.679 --> 00:16:42.440 no evidence that Iran is this far along or is 303 00:16:42.559 --> 00:16:46.440 pursuing their nuclear program. You have Iran that is a 304 00:16:46.480 --> 00:16:50.480 signatory to the what is it the Nuclear Non Proliferation Treaty, 305 00:16:50.879 --> 00:16:55.240 they allow inspectors into their site. You have Israel that 306 00:16:55.360 --> 00:16:58.759 is not a signer to that. You have Israel that 307 00:16:58.799 --> 00:17:02.120 does not allow inspection. And why is it that we 308 00:17:02.159 --> 00:17:05.759 are so sure that Iran has these nuclear weapons when 309 00:17:05.799 --> 00:17:09.279 all the evidence in the intelligence community is saying that 310 00:17:09.319 --> 00:17:12.160 they don't. I feel like this is the rock two 311 00:17:12.200 --> 00:17:15.599 point zero. We're going in under the assumption that there 312 00:17:15.599 --> 00:17:18.920 were wnds, which there weren't. We're going in and we're 313 00:17:18.960 --> 00:17:22.039 going right back to a quagmar that we're fighting again 314 00:17:22.559 --> 00:17:27.079 on behalf of Israel. It's like I just see that 315 00:17:27.160 --> 00:17:29.079 this is a repeat of Iraq. 316 00:17:29.279 --> 00:17:31.359 Well, first of all, thank you for your call, because 317 00:17:31.400 --> 00:17:34.039 though I completely disagree on each and every point, it's 318 00:17:34.079 --> 00:17:36.400 so valuable to have this conversation because I know there 319 00:17:36.400 --> 00:17:39.799 are plenty of people who see things the way you do, 320 00:17:39.880 --> 00:17:41.640 and so if you can alter a break, I want 321 00:17:41.640 --> 00:17:45.119 to come back and just rebut what you had to say, 322 00:17:45.279 --> 00:17:48.519 point by point, starting with that I had said around 323 00:17:48.559 --> 00:17:51.880 has a new quitch I didn't, but grateful for athenis call. 324 00:17:52.039 --> 00:17:54.039 So let's go through all of that, and I think 325 00:17:54.079 --> 00:17:56.960 what you're going to see is the facts are contrary 326 00:17:57.039 --> 00:18:00.680 to all of that, and that the need to take 327 00:18:00.720 --> 00:18:03.680 out the new program right now is real and in 328 00:18:03.720 --> 00:18:04.440 our best interest. 329 00:18:04.480 --> 00:18:05.759 You're on the Dan Kapla. 330 00:18:05.480 --> 00:18:10.960 Show, you're listening to the Dan Kapliss Show podcast. 331 00:18:11.480 --> 00:18:13.039 I'm so glad Athena called that. 332 00:18:13.079 --> 00:18:15.720 I disagree with every point she made, but it's it's 333 00:18:15.960 --> 00:18:19.279 valuable to have the conversation because I know others agree 334 00:18:19.319 --> 00:18:21.160 with her. There isn't time to lay it all out 335 00:18:21.200 --> 00:18:24.680 because she articulately covered about seven points in a hurry. 336 00:18:24.920 --> 00:18:26.039 Thank you for that, Athena. 337 00:18:26.440 --> 00:18:30.359 My summary response to this to that is, first of all, 338 00:18:30.559 --> 00:18:32.359 I never said Aroun has a nuke right now. 339 00:18:32.400 --> 00:18:34.000 I just said I do believe they're close. 340 00:18:34.000 --> 00:18:35.839 And then you raise the question why would you believe 341 00:18:35.880 --> 00:18:39.720 they're close when you say they're subject to full inspections, etc. 342 00:18:40.319 --> 00:18:41.680 For me, it's this simple. 343 00:18:42.079 --> 00:18:46.359 First, I don't trust Iran or anything arounding officials say 344 00:18:46.640 --> 00:18:51.359 at all, and I can't believe any other thinking person would. Second, 345 00:18:51.559 --> 00:18:55.720 I do trust Trump, and third I do trust Netan 346 00:18:55.799 --> 00:18:58.920 Yahoo and I think Israel, a nation that has been 347 00:18:59.240 --> 00:19:03.759 repeatedly threatened with annihilation by Iran, has every right at 348 00:19:03.759 --> 00:19:06.880 this point to assume that Iran intends to follow through 349 00:19:06.880 --> 00:19:07.039 on it. 350 00:19:07.160 --> 00:19:09.640 So it's really that simple for me. 351 00:19:10.519 --> 00:19:14.519 And obviously America's interest I think America is obligated to 352 00:19:14.559 --> 00:19:17.960 defend our great Ali Israel, Athena, but America's interest as 353 00:19:18.000 --> 00:19:21.880 well are clearly served by making sure that Iran does 354 00:19:21.920 --> 00:19:25.799 not have nuclear weapons. I mean, that's a radical Islamist regime. 355 00:19:26.640 --> 00:19:30.920 And who in the right mind would want radical Islamic 356 00:19:31.359 --> 00:19:34.079 terrorist And that's what they are, right that they're behind Thomas, 357 00:19:34.119 --> 00:19:37.519 They're behind Hesbala, They're behind the October seventh straight out 358 00:19:37.519 --> 00:19:40.960 of Hell Horrors. Nobody in the right mind, including you, Athena, 359 00:19:41.400 --> 00:19:45.200 would want the people who run Iran to have nuclear weapons. 360 00:19:44.880 --> 00:19:50.519 Right, Well, I don't. I Actually what concerns me as 361 00:19:50.559 --> 00:19:53.839 well is that is a state like Israel having nuclear 362 00:19:53.839 --> 00:19:57.119 Well you got to be to mar Shadians leazy about 363 00:19:57.119 --> 00:19:58.519 their nuclear weapons program. 364 00:20:00.079 --> 00:20:02.599 One second. I just want to get and you're welcome 365 00:20:02.640 --> 00:20:05.279 to stay the rest of the show. You're welcome to 366 00:20:05.279 --> 00:20:06.680 stay the rest of the show. I want to have 367 00:20:06.720 --> 00:20:09.480 this conversation, but to be useful, we have to have 368 00:20:09.519 --> 00:20:12.519 direct answers to direct questions. I have answered yours, Please 369 00:20:12.559 --> 00:20:17.279 answer mine. Do you agree that the radical Islamist terrorist 370 00:20:17.519 --> 00:20:20.079 who run Iran should not have nuclear weapons. 371 00:20:21.599 --> 00:20:24.119 I would agree that if we're going to take them 372 00:20:24.119 --> 00:20:27.160 away from Iran, you take them away from Israel, neither 373 00:20:27.200 --> 00:20:28.079 country should have them. 374 00:20:28.119 --> 00:20:30.160 Well, well, let's get to that, and maybe you did 375 00:20:30.279 --> 00:20:32.839 answer my question and let me just clarify that. So 376 00:20:32.920 --> 00:20:36.799 your position is you are unwilling to simply say that 377 00:20:37.079 --> 00:20:40.680 the radical Islamic terrorists who run iron should not have 378 00:20:40.759 --> 00:20:41.599 nuclear weapons. 379 00:20:41.599 --> 00:20:43.680 You are unwilling to say that, correct. 380 00:20:44.920 --> 00:20:47.839 No, what I'm willing to say is if there's clear 381 00:20:48.079 --> 00:20:51.200 and convincing evidence that they actually are very far along 382 00:20:51.200 --> 00:20:53.960 in their nuclear program, maybe at that point we need 383 00:20:53.960 --> 00:20:56.960 to have another discussion about going in and doing regime change. 384 00:20:57.200 --> 00:20:59.920 But right now, all the evidence is pointing to the 385 00:21:00.119 --> 00:21:02.680 fact that they are not as far as along as 386 00:21:02.720 --> 00:21:05.480 what Israel is claiming. And that's been their claim for 387 00:21:05.519 --> 00:21:06.200 thirty years now. 388 00:21:06.279 --> 00:21:07.359 Well, and they've been right. 389 00:21:07.680 --> 00:21:10.119 They've been right for thirty years, and what they've done, 390 00:21:10.160 --> 00:21:14.039 repeatedly and brilliantly is undermined the progress of the Iranian 391 00:21:14.119 --> 00:21:18.480 nuclear program. It is well documented, including from defectors from Iran, 392 00:21:19.079 --> 00:21:22.960 that Iran has been pursuing that program for thirty years now. 393 00:21:23.279 --> 00:21:26.720 You do not obviously trust the President Trump, You do 394 00:21:26.799 --> 00:21:30.480 not believe him when he says Iran is very close. 395 00:21:32.319 --> 00:21:35.160 I when it comes to Trump, someone who voted for 396 00:21:35.240 --> 00:21:37.559 him three times, by the way, I'm not someone on 397 00:21:37.599 --> 00:21:40.680 the left at all, very disappointed in how he's been 398 00:21:40.720 --> 00:21:46.079 waffling and weak this last week. So that's what concerns me. 399 00:21:46.160 --> 00:21:49.000 So my concern is who is whispering sweet nothings into 400 00:21:49.039 --> 00:21:53.119 his ear. He's obviously going above and ignoring Tulci Gabbard, 401 00:21:53.240 --> 00:21:55.599