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Speaker 1: why is Planned Parenthood still funded? That needs to end soon,
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Speaker 1: to everything that's going on in a run right now.
Speaker 1: The President says up to two weeks you know up
Speaker 1: to two weeks they'll make his decision. Of course, that
Speaker 1: could mean that he would take military action tonight, but
Speaker 1: he's given himself this two week window. At the same
Speaker 1: time saying he thinks that Aron is quite possibly just
Speaker 1: weeks away from having a nuclear weapon.
Speaker 2: So let's go to the VIP line each week.
Speaker 1: At this time, we're really fortunate to have doctor Catherine
Speaker 1: Wheeler with us, and she's a medical doctor, and we
Speaker 1: talk about the medical aspects of abortion and abortion related issues,
Speaker 1: because I really do think that, as a guy who
Speaker 1: wants to do what I can to help save babies,
Speaker 1: that the more people understand just the medicine, the less
Speaker 1: likely people are to have abortions, and the more likely
Speaker 1: people are to become pro life in terms of policies.
Speaker 1: So doctor welcome back to the Dan Kapla show.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having me, Dan, I've been
Speaker 3: looking forward to this.
Speaker 2: Well, thank you.
Speaker 1: And doctor Wheeler comes to us with special credibility and
Speaker 1: she's become a real hero in the pro life movement
Speaker 1: because she used to perform abortions as a medical doctor
Speaker 1: and then saw that they were wrong for the reasons
Speaker 1: she's discussed on air and now goes out and helps
Speaker 1: in every way that she can, which is massive.
Speaker 2: So, doctor, I know today our.
Speaker 1: Focus is going to be on the argument we often
Speaker 1: hear from the abortion industry that more women will die
Speaker 1: without unrestricted abortion. We hear that from the political left
Speaker 1: as well. Could you just analyze that from a medical standpoint.
Speaker 3: Yes, thank you, And that probably is the most effective
Speaker 3: narrative of the abortion industry and lobby. And you know,
Speaker 3: I want to say clearly upfront, it's tragic every abortion,
Speaker 3: because we lose one human being, and it's tragic if
Speaker 3: we lose too in the middle of it. Nobody wants
Speaker 3: women to die, and especially we're talking about almost all
Speaker 3: healthy women who had most of them had nothing medically wrong,
Speaker 3: and so every bad outcome to the world men is
Speaker 3: a consequence of medicine of surgery. So I want to
Speaker 3: go back a little bit and through like abortion was dangerous,
Speaker 3: illegal and rare for a very long time because women
Speaker 3: did really put their life on the line when they
Speaker 3: decided or when they were coerced into having abortions, and
Speaker 3: then talk about what changed in the late eighteen hundreds
Speaker 3: and nineteen hundreds that made it much safer, and then
Speaker 3: what happened where this narrative of women will die without
Speaker 3: legal abortion came from. So going back through our history
Speaker 3: in the United States, again it was dangerous. Women really
Speaker 3: did die from it, but it was extremely rare, thank god.
Speaker 3: And they often started like now with the abortion pill.
Speaker 3: They often started back then with herbs and they weren't
Speaker 3: very effective. They would often move up to more herbs,
Speaker 3: and when that failed, then they would move into these
Speaker 3: procedural abortions. But they were usually untrained people. We didn't
Speaker 3: have any sterile techniques. They didn't understand anatomy, so a
Speaker 3: lot of women suffered death. But then in there kind
Speaker 3: of later eighteen hundreds to early nineteen hundreds, four major
Speaker 3: things happened that made it safer. The first is Louis
Speaker 3: Pastor under started understanding German theory that basically bacteria were
Speaker 3: identified as the source for most infections, and most people
Speaker 3: knew nothing about that. So we didn't wash hands, so
Speaker 3: we didn't have sterile equipment, We didn't do any of
Speaker 3: those things to try to keep our patients from getting infected.
Speaker 3: And the surgeon learned about what Pastor was learning applied
Speaker 3: it to his practice. It took a while to take
Speaker 3: hold unfortunately, but now, of course we used sterile techniques.
Speaker 3: The second thing was antibiotics came into existence in World
Speaker 3: War Two, starting with penicillin. Of course, that's expanded, so
Speaker 3: when people did get infections, there was some treatment to
Speaker 3: keep people from dying. But the third thing is anesthesia
Speaker 3: and obqyn became techniques got better and training got better,
Speaker 3: and so they could surgically intervene with less risk to
Speaker 3: the woman if necessary if she had a complication. And
Speaker 3: then the fourth really big thing was somewhere around the
Speaker 3: nineteen forties somebody came up with a different technique for
Speaker 3: the most common abortions, which are in the first trimester,
Speaker 3: and it used to be that they had to be
Speaker 3: done if they were done properly, with a what's called
Speaker 3: a curette, which is essentially a metal loop that is
Speaker 3: sharp on the long handle that you introduced through the vagina,
Speaker 3: through the cervix into the uterine cavity. And you can
Speaker 3: kind of imagine that like a balloon, where you're putting
Speaker 3: this loop in there and you're trying to scrape everything
Speaker 3: out all the way around. It takes a little bit
Speaker 3: of time. They can damage the uterus or go through
Speaker 3: the uterus, you can get really serious infections afterwards. Somebody
Speaker 3: thought up doing what looks especially like a wide straw
Speaker 3: that you attached to section. So instead of having to
Speaker 3: scrape around, you put in this little curette with suction
Speaker 3: and just rotated as you withdraw it down. The you
Speaker 3: knowing cavity is much faster, it's much less dangerous, and
Speaker 3: there's less infections and hemorrhage. So by the time ro
Speaker 3: versus weight happened, abortion was much less risky. But we
Speaker 3: started to have I think there were four states by
Speaker 3: nineteen seventy legalized abortion, at least in some circumstances, in
Speaker 3: New York being one of them, and there was an
Speaker 3: obq an doctor Bernard Nathanson. It was very instrumental in
Speaker 3: the passage of ro versus weight, really active in the
Speaker 3: policy making, and he stated as an obgen that five
Speaker 3: to ten thousand women were dying every year a legal
Speaker 3: abortion in the United States, which sounds horrible, and nobody
Speaker 3: wants women to die. So the narrative was we need
Speaker 3: to make it legal to keep women from dying from
Speaker 3: so called back alley abortion. But there were four things
Speaker 3: that were true about that what he said was not true.
Speaker 3: The CDC in nineteen seventy two reported that there had
Speaker 3: been twenty four deaths from legal abortion thirty nine from
Speaker 3: illegal abortion, which is really tragic, but not anywhere near
Speaker 3: five to ten thousand. Nathanson later admitted that the figures
Speaker 3: were totally false. This is his quote. It was a
Speaker 3: useful figure, widely accepted. The overriding concern was to get
Speaker 3: the laws eliminated, and anything within reason that had to
Speaker 3: be done was permissible, and I think we still see
Speaker 3: that today. And then the third thing is the back
Speaker 3: alley image which he used, which what it really meant
Speaker 3: was that this was illegal, So women came in through
Speaker 3: the back door to get their procedures. So that's really
Speaker 3: what they meant by back alley. Over ninety percent were
Speaker 3: done by trained medical professionals. So what we have today
Speaker 3: with ordering pills online with no medical professionalved is much
Speaker 3: more dangerous than what they did than But you know,
Speaker 3: the narrative help. It's been a very useful narrative. It
Speaker 3: frightens people. Nobody wants women to die, and so they're
Speaker 3: willing to vote for it. So I think in a
Speaker 3: future segment we'll talk about you know the myth that
Speaker 3: abortion restrictions are killing women, which is how they're applying
Speaker 3: it now, But the truth is that it was already
Speaker 3: very limited risk by the time that little versus weight happened.
Speaker 1: Right, and then all of that, of course against the backdrop,
Speaker 1: as you've established so well on prior programs, that each
Speaker 1: of these abortions is, as a medical fact, killing an
Speaker 1: innocent human.
Speaker 2: And so so how.
Speaker 1: You know you've got the industry out there arguing falsely
Speaker 1: that this very large number of women will die if
Speaker 1: if there is not a legal right to kill a
Speaker 1: million or more a year.
Speaker 2: I mean that that's and dead to me.
Speaker 1: It's always been baffling, and I know we're coming up
Speaker 1: under the segment baffling is the kind word that all
Speaker 1: these people who pretend to be pro women are out
Speaker 1: there making this argument to actively push a policy that's
Speaker 1: killing at least six or seven hundred thousand females a
Speaker 1: year who are on the receiving end of an abortion.
Speaker 3: Exactly, you're right, And we only talked about half of
Speaker 3: the person and people involved today, yeah, or last because
Speaker 3: we haven't talked about the men yet and how it
Speaker 3: affects family. But yes, the number one issue is that
Speaker 3: a living human being of incredible value, guys always and
Speaker 3: when the woman dies too, that's even that just adds
Speaker 3: to the tragedy.
Speaker 1: Well, and it's so helpful to have you addressing all
Speaker 1: of this from a medical standpoint. And next week we're
Speaker 1: going to talk about, you know, is abortion really fourteen
Speaker 1: times safer than childbirth, because that's one of the arguments
Speaker 1: you often here made as well. So we'll deep dive
Speaker 1: that next Thursday at five oh six.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having me on.
Speaker 1: Thank you, doctor, it's always great. That's doctor Catherine Wheeler.
Speaker 1: Three or three someone three eight two five five the
Speaker 1: number text d A and five seven seven thirty nine. Hey,
Speaker 1: when we come back, we'll do a lot of stuff,
Speaker 1: including the latest with Mike Johnston moving Denver toward insolvency
Speaker 1: and listen, I'm not predicting Denver. It's going to become
Speaker 1: in solvent soon, but it cannot keep this up. But
Speaker 1: I also want to give you the latest down Iran.
Speaker 1: You're on the Dan Kapla Show.
Speaker 4: And now back to the Dan Kaplas Show podcast.
Speaker 1: Perfect bump right there, Ryan, because it is the end
Speaker 1: of the world as we know it. Iran is never
Speaker 1: going to be the same, and that's a very good thing. No,
Speaker 1: we don't have a culmination to this yet, but we
Speaker 1: just know with all the success that Israel has already had,
Speaker 1: it's never going to be the same there. And that's
Speaker 1: great for us as Americans, because Iran was very close
Speaker 1: to a nuclear weapon probably excuse me, still working on
Speaker 1: it as we right now. I mean, Afford, you're talking
Speaker 1: about one hundred yards you know, probably one hundred yards underground,
Speaker 1: maybe a little bit sideways behind, you know, a hard
Speaker 1: rock in a mountain side. They're probably still in there
Speaker 1: right now spinning it and trying to get a nuclear
Speaker 1: weapon active.
Speaker 2: So but but never going to be the same.
Speaker 1: And that's probably gonna end up a very very good
Speaker 1: thing for the people of this nation, in our great
Speaker 1: alli Israel and the world. Alrighty, we're going to get
Speaker 1: to the phone lines text as well. I do want
Speaker 1: to say, though, and just what a gut punch I
Speaker 1: got this text during the break one of the greatest
Speaker 1: judges ever in Colorado suddenly passed away totally out of
Speaker 1: the blue, a man named Judge Joseph Bellapani and I
Speaker 1: tried my first big case in front of him my
Speaker 1: first year out.
Speaker 2: Of law school.
Speaker 1: It was almost a month long, complicated jury trial, and
Speaker 1: he you know, I was nobody, and I was nothing,
Speaker 1: and I was this kid out of school. I knew nothing,
Speaker 1: but I was working hard and doing my very best
Speaker 1: and up against probably three of the top five lawyers
Speaker 1: in the state. And he treated me very fairly and
Speaker 1: gave me every opportunity and just always respected him. And
Speaker 1: then did a bunch of cases in front of him
Speaker 1: after that. He was a great mediator at Judicial Arbiter
Speaker 1: Group and he's now passed away. So just a great
Speaker 1: public servant, Judge Joe Bellaponi. So prayers for his family. Please,
Speaker 1: let's go to the phone lines, and for the judge
Speaker 1: though I can't picture him anywhere, but heaven very quickly.
Speaker 2: Adam in severance here on the dan Kaplis show.
Speaker 5: Welcome well to that point, real fast making rest in peace.
Speaker 5: That's a sad thank you, thank you.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 5: Well it's about to lose good men.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's just a reminder, right, we're all day
Speaker 1: to day. I mean, I was just talking to somebody
Speaker 1: last week about we need judge A. Pone to mediate
Speaker 1: this big case we have and then all of a
Speaker 1: sudden he's gone.
Speaker 2: But yeah, we're all just we're all just right for all. Yeah.
Speaker 5: On a on a different note, however, I was calling
Speaker 5: in regard to the the Iran situation. I'm on the
Speaker 5: mind that I think, you know, especially that foordoh uh location,
Speaker 5: I think we really need to just go in trump
Speaker 5: Neys to send it at be too sorty and just
Speaker 5: take it out. For for two reasons, because if we
Speaker 5: negotiate some sort of a truth or you know, surrender,
Speaker 5: it only gives the opportunity for Iran to go and
Speaker 5: subvert the rules and move things around. You know, there'll
Speaker 5: be time in there, and that's you know, that's only
Speaker 5: going to work in their favor. But then the other
Speaker 5: part is it sends a clear message to the rest
Speaker 5: of the world that we are not to be messed with.
Speaker 5: And when when something, when Trump says something, he means
Speaker 5: it and it will happen. Yeah, And then I think
Speaker 5: what Trump should do to take it one step further.
Speaker 5: I think you'll find this kind of entertaining once we've
Speaker 5: once we've leveled the sides and we've encased all that
Speaker 5: urine or all that plutonium down there, and nobody can
Speaker 5: ever set foot on the ground.
Speaker 2: Again.
Speaker 5: We build a Statue of Liberty statue here in the
Speaker 5: United States, and we fly it over via helicopter. Well,
Speaker 5: instead of the statue holding the porch, that's holding the
Speaker 5: Jewish Star of David up high, and we set it
Speaker 5: down right on top of that site where they can't
Speaker 5: touch it for the next millennium.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you might need a ship for that trip. But Adam,
Speaker 1: you made a brilliant point there, which is that President
Speaker 1: Trump's really historic effectiveness has been you know, through peace
Speaker 1: through strength, and people take him seriously and his threats seriously,
Speaker 1: and they don't want to mess with him. And so
Speaker 1: when he stakes out a position like he has around
Speaker 1: will not have nuclear weapons total surrender, there's no way
Speaker 1: he does that without intending to deliver on it. And
Speaker 1: so when he says today there's still room for diplomacy,
Speaker 1: I think that's more of a tactical strategic statement, and
Speaker 1: I think diplomacy, yes, technically, would include total surrender, total
Speaker 1: give up of the nuclear program. But he's not going
Speaker 1: to settle for less than that for a lot of
Speaker 1: different reasons, starting with our national security. He's proven he's
Speaker 1: willing to die for our national security. He proved that
Speaker 1: when he took out Sola money, and he knew that
Speaker 1: would put a target on his own back. He was
Speaker 1: willing to put that risk on his own head to
Speaker 1: protect us. And the second is effectiveness. Now with Russia
Speaker 1: end up getting peace in Ukraine, effectiveness with g other
Speaker 1: bad actors around the world, is going to deliver on
Speaker 1: that promise? Got to go to this call next, because
Speaker 1: I don't think in decades on air, I've ever had
Speaker 1: in Athena called the show Asina Welcome to the Dan
Speaker 1: Kapla Show.
Speaker 4: Oh hi Dan, thanks for taking my car.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I just just wanted to weigh in a little bit
Speaker 6: on this whole Iran versus Israel nuke situation. I think
Speaker 6: that because I just heard you're talking about, you know,
Speaker 6: it's pretty clear we need to go in. Iran has
Speaker 6: a nuclear bomb, blah blah blah. I want to try
Speaker 6: to juxtapose or why does why is everybody overlooking Just
Speaker 6: a few months ago, when Sealthy Gabbard testified that there's
Speaker 6: no evidence that Iran is this far along or is
Speaker 6: pursuing their nuclear program. You have Iran that is a
Speaker 6: signatory to the what is it the Nuclear Non Proliferation Treaty,
Speaker 6: they allow inspectors into their site. You have Israel that
Speaker 6: is not a signer to that. You have Israel that
Speaker 6: does not allow inspection. And why is it that we
Speaker 6: are so sure that Iran has these nuclear weapons when
Speaker 6: all the evidence in the intelligence community is saying that
Speaker 6: they don't. I feel like this is the rock two
Speaker 6: point zero. We're going in under the assumption that there
Speaker 6: were wnds, which there weren't. We're going in and we're
Speaker 6: going right back to a quagmar that we're fighting again
Speaker 6: on behalf of Israel. It's like I just see that
Speaker 6: this is a repeat of Iraq.
Speaker 1: Well, first of all, thank you for your call, because
Speaker 1: though I completely disagree on each and every point, it's
Speaker 1: so valuable to have this conversation because I know there
Speaker 1: are plenty of people who see things the way you do,
Speaker 1: and so if you can alter a break, I want
Speaker 1: to come back and just rebut what you had to say,
Speaker 1: point by point, starting with that I had said around
Speaker 1: has a new quitch I didn't, but grateful for athenis call.
Speaker 1: So let's go through all of that, and I think
Speaker 1: what you're going to see is the facts are contrary
Speaker 1: to all of that, and that the need to take
Speaker 1: out the new program right now is real and in
Speaker 1: our best interest.
Speaker 2: You're on the Dan Kapla.
Speaker 4: Show, you're listening to the Dan Kapliss Show podcast.
Speaker 2: I'm so glad Athena called that.
Speaker 1: I disagree with every point she made, but it's it's
Speaker 1: valuable to have the conversation because I know others agree
Speaker 1: with her. There isn't time to lay it all out
Speaker 1: because she articulately covered about seven points in a hurry.
Speaker 2: Thank you for that, Athena.
Speaker 1: My summary response to this to that is, first of all,
Speaker 1: I never said Aroun has a nuke right now.
Speaker 2: I just said I do believe they're close.
Speaker 1: And then you raise the question why would you believe
Speaker 1: they're close when you say they're subject to full inspections, etc.
Speaker 2: For me, it's this simple.
Speaker 1: First, I don't trust Iran or anything arounding officials say
Speaker 1: at all, and I can't believe any other thinking person would. Second,
Speaker 1: I do trust Trump, and third I do trust Netan
Speaker 1: Yahoo and I think Israel, a nation that has been
Speaker 1: repeatedly threatened with annihilation by Iran, has every right at
Speaker 1: this point to assume that Iran intends to follow through
Speaker 1: on it.
Speaker 2: So it's really that simple for me.
Speaker 1: And obviously America's interest I think America is obligated to
Speaker 1: defend our great Ali Israel, Athena, but America's interest as
Speaker 1: well are clearly served by making sure that Iran does
Speaker 1: not have nuclear weapons. I mean, that's a radical Islamist regime.
Speaker 1: And who in the right mind would want radical Islamic
Speaker 1: terrorist And that's what they are, right that they're behind Thomas,
Speaker 1: They're behind Hesbala, They're behind the October seventh straight out
Speaker 1: of Hell Horrors. Nobody in the right mind, including you, Athena,
Speaker 1: would want the people who run Iran to have nuclear weapons.
Speaker 6: Right, Well, I don't. I Actually what concerns me as
Speaker 6: well is that is a state like Israel having nuclear
Speaker 6: Well you got to be to mar Shadians leazy about
Speaker 6: their nuclear weapons program.
Speaker 1: One second. I just want to get and you're welcome
Speaker 1: to stay the rest of the show. You're welcome to
Speaker 1: stay the rest of the show. I want to have
Speaker 1: this conversation, but to be useful, we have to have
Speaker 1: direct answers to direct questions. I have answered yours, Please
Speaker 1: answer mine. Do you agree that the radical Islamist terrorist
Speaker 1: who run Iran should not have nuclear weapons.
Speaker 6: I would agree that if we're going to take them
Speaker 6: away from Iran, you take them away from Israel, neither
Speaker 6: country should have them.
Speaker 1: Well, well, let's get to that, and maybe you did
Speaker 1: answer my question and let me just clarify that. So
Speaker 1: your position is you are unwilling to simply say that
Speaker 1: the radical Islamic terrorists who run iron should not have
Speaker 1: nuclear weapons.
Speaker 2: You are unwilling to say that, correct.
Speaker 6: No, what I'm willing to say is if there's clear
Speaker 6: and convincing evidence that they actually are very far along
Speaker 6: in their nuclear program, maybe at that point we need
Speaker 6: to have another discussion about going in and doing regime change.
Speaker 6: But right now, all the evidence is pointing to the
Speaker 6: fact that they are not as far as along as
Speaker 6: what Israel is claiming. And that's been their claim for
Speaker 6: thirty years now.
Speaker 2: Well, and they've been right.
Speaker 1: They've been right for thirty years, and what they've done,
Speaker 1: repeatedly and brilliantly is undermined the progress of the Iranian
Speaker 1: nuclear program. It is well documented, including from defectors from Iran,
Speaker 1: that Iran has been pursuing that program for thirty years now.
Speaker 1: You do not obviously trust the President Trump, You do
Speaker 1: not believe him when he says Iran is very close.
Speaker 6: I when it comes to Trump, someone who voted for
Speaker 6: him three times, by the way, I'm not someone on
Speaker 6: the left at all, very disappointed in how he's been
Speaker 6: waffling and weak this last week. So that's what concerns me.
Speaker 6: So my concern is who is whispering sweet nothings into
Speaker 6: his ear. He's obviously going above and ignoring Tulci Gabbard,
Speaker 6: so he's getting information from the intelligence community.
Speaker 1: So you think Trump is allowing himself to be manipulated.
Speaker 6: I would say that that's not far betched. I would
Speaker 6: say with the influence and the power that another foreign
Speaker 6: entity has.
Speaker 1: So now we get to your hostility toward Israel, which
Speaker 1: I just don't understand. But you talk about Israel being sleazy, this,
Speaker 1: et cetera. You agree the Holocaust happened, right, Oh, of.
Speaker 7: Course I'm not.
Speaker 6: Of course it gets and that was disgusting, that was despicable, right,
Speaker 6: And I agree it's unfortunate, and it's unfortunate. And what
Speaker 6: they've been doing in Gauza is a Holocaust as well.
Speaker 6: This is a modern day Holocaust. It's the same thing,
Speaker 6: the same thing right now in the world.
Speaker 1: Okay, Now, now let's break that down at Sena, because
Speaker 1: at this point you're obviously an intelligent, articulate person, but
Speaker 1: you've temporarily lost your mind. Because to equate the systematic
Speaker 1: slaughter of millions of innocent Israelis in the Holocaust to
Speaker 1: Israel responding to October seven by trying to end the
Speaker 1: the end Hamas, no sane person could make that comparison.
Speaker 1: I mean, can you give me one single example in
Speaker 1: the response to October seven of Israel intentionally targeting innocent civilians.
Speaker 2: Ian?
Speaker 6: Are you aware it killed two hundred and twenty five journalists?
Speaker 6: Are you aware of how many people that had been
Speaker 6: killed after October seventy?
Speaker 1: You're dodging my question, Athena, you're dodging my question. All
Speaker 1: of those people killed in Gaza after October seven were
Speaker 1: killed by Hamas because Israel had a right to go
Speaker 1: in in self defense, and Hamas chose to hide behind
Speaker 1: innocent people. But my question to you is simply, can
Speaker 1: you point to a single innocent person that Israel intentionally
Speaker 1: killed after October seven?
Speaker 6: Well, I don't live in Israel, but.
Speaker 5: But you know they don't know.
Speaker 1: Come on, but you don't live anywhere else that you're
Speaker 1: condemning right now. So the point of theena is you
Speaker 1: can't because nobody can. Because unlike the Holocaust, where you know,
Speaker 1: Hitler systematically killed millions of innocent, defenseless people, you can't
Speaker 1: point to Israel doing that to.
Speaker 2: A single person.
Speaker 1: You object to the way Israel has approached it self defense.
Speaker 1: I believe and and and my heart breaks for every
Speaker 1: innocent who died in Gaza, But that blood is on
Speaker 1: the hands of Hamas, and Hamas equals Iran. And you're
Speaker 1: calling this show to say, oh no, don't take out
Speaker 1: Iran's nuclear weapons program.
Speaker 6: Yeah, because I think that the information that we're getting
Speaker 6: that Trump is getting is not consistent with what Pulsey
Speaker 6: Gabbard is getting.
Speaker 2: Why would Congress, why would you have that.
Speaker 6: Trump is having someone in his ear called a foreign
Speaker 6: entity called Israel. And I think we need to stop
Speaker 6: trying to fight their wars because we're not getting anything
Speaker 6: out of it. We're going into debt and we're having
Speaker 6: our own people killed and maimed because we keep going
Speaker 6: into the belief and fighting wars on behalf of a Ya.
Speaker 1: And your hostility toward Israel. I don't understand. But in
Speaker 1: terms of a rock, we didn't go into a rock
Speaker 1: for Prime Minister NETANYAHUO are the state of Israel. So
Speaker 1: don't blame Israel for a rock or Afghanistan. You know,
Speaker 1: here you have a man you voted for three times,
Speaker 1: who has access to classified information, who is looking you
Speaker 1: in the eye and telling you Aron is very close
Speaker 1: to a nuclear weapon. And you're saying you believe Tulca
Speaker 1: Gabbard over Donald Trump.
Speaker 6: Absolutely her job. Isn't she getting this?
Speaker 2: What's Trump's job? What's Trump's job? Trump has a much
Speaker 2: bigger job than she has.
Speaker 1: But you think he's being manipulated by Netanyahu because you
Speaker 1: have this hostility toward Israel.
Speaker 6: That's just I think you have blinding you towards Israel.
Speaker 6: I have hostility towards Israel having influence in our foreign policy.
Speaker 6: That's where I have hostilities. And are all of the
Speaker 6: money that are taxpayers that are gone to fight these wars.
Speaker 6: It's ridiculous this, Well, we haven't.
Speaker 1: Been fighting the wars on behalf of Israel. Let let
Speaker 1: me ask you about this. First of all, I think
Speaker 1: we have an obligation to our great great ally Israel
Speaker 1: to protect it from being annihilated by Iran, which is
Speaker 1: promised to But that aside, Uh, you have to concede.
Speaker 1: It is in America's national interest to make sure that
Speaker 1: Iran does not have a nuclear weapon. Right, you conceded
Speaker 1: that earlier.
Speaker 6: I can see, Yes, I did. They were further along
Speaker 6: and it was pretty clear and convincing evidence.
Speaker 2: So you just don't believe Trump. Think you think Trump.
Speaker 1: Is being manipulated by Netanya who you We've already established that.
Speaker 6: And I don't think it's farfetch.
Speaker 1: Okay, appreciate the call, Thank you, Athena. I think there
Speaker 1: is no chance that President Trump is being manipulated by anybody.
Speaker 1: And to me, it's just completely illogical to trust Tulcy
Speaker 1: Gabbard over Donald Trump.
Speaker 2: So I just don't give them.
Speaker 7: Plus one quick point of clarification. Telsea came out publicly
Speaker 7: and said that's not what she said in her testimony.
Speaker 7: That you've listened to the full context of what she said.
Speaker 7: There is not daylight between herself and Trump.
Speaker 2: That's what she saw.
Speaker 1: I'm glad to hear that. I'm glad to hear that
Speaker 1: because I've got to tell you listen. Trump's not perfect.
Speaker 1: None of us are perfect. Trump's not God, none of
Speaker 1: us are God. Trump makes mistakes just like all of us.
Speaker 1: But on matters like this, I trust Donald Trump, and
Speaker 1: I do so very easily and very confidently. And you
Speaker 1: look at his track record, right, Keep in mind, this
Speaker 1: was a guy who was willing to die for our safety.
Speaker 1: He knew when he ordered that terrorist General Solomoni taken out.
Speaker 1: He knew it would put a target on his back,
Speaker 1: and it did.
Speaker 7: Right.
Speaker 1: I mean, would anybody be surprised if we eventually find
Speaker 1: out both of those assassination attempts, the first one which
Speaker 1: was virtually certain to succeed if not for what I
Speaker 1: believe is divine intervention, but one way or the other,
Speaker 1: it was almost virtually certain to succeed. Would you be
Speaker 1: surprised to find out in the end if that was
Speaker 1: a on. No, So he knew he was putting a
Speaker 1: target on his back to protect us. It seems to
Speaker 1: me he has earned trust in this situation. You're on
Speaker 1: the Dan Kapla Show.
Speaker 4: And now back to the Dan Kaplas Show podcast.
Speaker 2: Get back to the callers in a second. So many
Speaker 2: great texts.
Speaker 1: I've got to get to some of those DAN are
Speaker 1: on target's apartments, hospitals and residential targets Israel targets military.
Speaker 2: So very true.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is a classic battle of good versus evil, right,
Speaker 1: not the people of Iran, but the Mulas and the
Speaker 1: Iatolas who keep them captive as well. So in the
Speaker 1: ballistic missile hit on the Iranian hospital today, I don't
Speaker 1: be surprised if that leads to the taking out of company.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be at all surprised.
Speaker 1: In fact, I think one of the dynamics right now, Ryan,
Speaker 1: that we're looking at is as President Trump surveys the landscape. Certainly,
Speaker 1: if in the meantime there's any kind of hit on
Speaker 1: American troops or interest, I think that would be the
Speaker 1: trip wire that would then trigger the plans that are
Speaker 1: ready apparently have been approved, but I expect those will
Speaker 1: probably be implemented anyway.
Speaker 7: And putting a fine point on your conversation with Athena,
Speaker 7: our previous caller, I want to ask you about this
Speaker 7: horseshoe theory that has been discussed. I think Ben Shapiro's
Speaker 7: brought it up, and Mark Levin, you and I are
Speaker 7: uniformly similar on this position. Of supporting Israel, that they
Speaker 7: are our greatest ally in the region, and we don't
Speaker 7: think to question them or their motives. But you got
Speaker 7: the hard left like ilhan Omar Rashida Talib, I'd say
Speaker 7: AOC the squad that sort of loved us, that.
Speaker 4: Are fervently anti Semits.
Speaker 7: We know that, but we also see on the other
Speaker 7: side this horseshoe coming together of a far right element
Speaker 7: that would include I think now Tucker Carlson, Candice Owens,
Speaker 7: maybe Thomas Massey, our previous caller.
Speaker 4: There's a much of that.
Speaker 7: Has this underpinning of some kind of deeply seated anti Semitism,
Speaker 7: And like you, I'm wondering where is that coming from
Speaker 7: our side of it?
Speaker 1: And let me disagree with the premise here if I may, Ryan,
Speaker 1: because I think when we talk about Candos owns, Tucker Carlson,
Speaker 1: et cetera, I don't believe there is an anti Semitism there,
Speaker 1: and I just don't know what the color Athena.
Speaker 2: I don't know her.
Speaker 7: Well, Oh, have you heard Candice Owans of late No? Wow, Yeah,
Speaker 7: I haven't heard any heard anything very bad.
Speaker 1: All I'm trying to say is I think that somebody
Speaker 1: can oppose America becoming involved in Iran right now, even
Speaker 1: in the way we're talking about, which should be no
Speaker 1: boots on the ground, but be the airstrikes. I think
Speaker 1: a person could oppose that without being an anti semit
Speaker 1: So let me just put it that way, Okay. I
Speaker 1: think you can put together a coherent argument to do that.
Speaker 1: I just think the far better argument, the stronger argument,
Speaker 1: the weight of the evidence, starting with our own national
Speaker 1: security a close second, our obligation Israel is in favor of,
Speaker 1: if necessary, air power, only the US assisting in taking out.
Speaker 2: Around's nuclear capabilities. Lord knows that it'll save our nation.
Speaker 1: So what you agree though, that that someone who is
Speaker 1: not anti Semitic could put together a credible argument against
Speaker 1: US involvement.
Speaker 7: Yes, and I hear that argument, and I actually understand
Speaker 7: it to a large degree because I'm not an interventional
Speaker 7: interventionist in any sense of the word. But I'm finding it,
Speaker 7: especially on the left, you see this. Obviously they're all
Speaker 7: about waving the Ukraine flag and they're one hundred percent
Speaker 7: in on Ukraine against Russia, and then all of a
Speaker 7: sudden they're oh, oh yeah about it.
Speaker 2: Well, now, the anti Semitism on the left.
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about your typical Democrat, but I'm talking
Speaker 1: about the powers that control the Democratic Party. And look
Speaker 1: at what they're doing right that. They're setting themselves on
Speaker 1: fire with that, and they're hurting themselves.
Speaker 2: In so many ways.
Speaker 1: I mean, Josh Shapiro would have been a far better
Speaker 1: candidate for them, but they couldn't do that in their
Speaker 1: twisted worldview because he's Jewish. So no, the left, yeah,
Speaker 1: a ton of anti Semitism. I think the credible argument
Speaker 1: against my position. My position is if necessary, the US
Speaker 1: should assist Israel and taking out the nuclear capability limit
Speaker 1: that to air. Only credible argument against that is what's
Speaker 1: unknown and uncontrollable. You know, best laid plans, right, et cetera.
Speaker 1: But if the US goes in in the air, and
Speaker 1: again I hope the US does if necessary, then you
Speaker 1: never know what that might trigger in other ways, right,
Speaker 1: You never know, for example, China, which has been flying
Speaker 1: in and out of Iran, does that trip something with China?
Speaker 1: And listen, the US has to stand up to China
Speaker 1: in many different ways right now, but we don't want
Speaker 1: a military conflict with China. But again, the far stronger,
Speaker 1: better reasoned argument is if Israel needs the US to
Speaker 1: help finish off the nuclear capability, and it can be
Speaker 1: done from the air.
Speaker 2: Then you do it.
Speaker 7: The one final point I'll make on Athena, where I
Speaker 7: do agree to a large extent, is what changed. We
Speaker 7: know that the intel has been out there that Iran's
Speaker 7: trying to develop a nuclear weapon, but what escalated that,
Speaker 7: what caused Israel to act? What I keep coming back
Speaker 7: to is exactly what you said, though, Dan, I trust
Speaker 7: Donald Trump to make this call and not be manipulated
Speaker 7: by whatever pressure campaign might be put on by Benjamin
Speaker 7: not Yahoo or anybody else.
Speaker 1: And I respect Israel's right to self defense as you do,
Speaker 1: and to prevent the next Holocaust. But in terms of
Speaker 1: the timing, listen, Israel has properly wanted to do this
Speaker 1: for a long time, right, because there's this constant effort
Speaker 1: as we speak right now, Ryan, all of the published
Speaker 1: information I see suggest Iran is still enriching and is
Speaker 1: racing now to get the bombs, and was before, and
Speaker 1: so Israel, I think, was waiting for a couple of things,
Speaker 1: waiting for Biden to leave office, right, because it's only
Speaker 1: doable with trumpet office, and at that point, I think
Speaker 1: the Trump administration was asking Israel to hold off, right, Yeah, So,
Speaker 1: I think Israel has properly wanted to do this for
Speaker 1: quite a while, and it has done everything it could
Speaker 1: to try to set back that nuclear program. But now
Speaker 1: I think there's a window here, a window to do
Speaker 1: a great service to our children and their grandchildren and
Speaker 1: their grandchildren and the higher civilized world, our great ally Israel, and.
Speaker 2: I'm very, very.
Speaker 1: Confident this is going to end well for America, for
Speaker 1: Israel and the world, but still a lot of pain
Speaker 1: to come. Evil doesn't die easily, and this Iranian regime
Speaker 1: is just straight out of hell.
Speaker 2: Evil Ran.
Speaker 1: Thank you for your great work, Kelly, you as well.
Speaker 1: Enjoy everybody this beautiful evening, and please join us tomorrow
Speaker 1: four oh six on the Dan Kapla Show.