WEBVTT 1 00:00:21.000 --> 00:00:24.160 Good morning sports cards fans, and welcome back to Hobby 2 00:00:24.160 --> 00:00:26.640 Hotline on four Collectors. My name is Dan. I have 3 00:00:26.640 --> 00:00:30.120 a channel right here, but I am joined by Esteemed 4 00:00:30.440 --> 00:00:33.960 panel today. Lauren is nice to see you this morning. 5 00:00:34.159 --> 00:00:36.600 You and I have actually never been on Hobby Hotline before, 6 00:00:36.600 --> 00:00:39.560 but of course we've communicated many times in the Hobby 7 00:00:39.560 --> 00:00:42.719 Hotline chat. So good morning to you. How are you? 8 00:00:43.200 --> 00:00:45.240 I am good. I'm happy to be here with you 9 00:00:45.320 --> 00:00:47.759 and Chris, and I think we got some good topics 10 00:00:47.799 --> 00:00:50.240 to get into, so it's gonna be a good morning. 11 00:00:50.640 --> 00:00:52.799 And Chris, how are you doing all right? 12 00:00:52.880 --> 00:00:57.759 I'm pinch hitting for another Hobby Hotline post or couldn't 13 00:00:57.799 --> 00:00:58.399 make it today. 14 00:00:58.719 --> 00:01:01.719 Well, that's what we nay each other out. 15 00:01:01.960 --> 00:01:04.159 That's I think that's kind of my job. That guy 16 00:01:04.239 --> 00:01:08.760 that comes in in the seventh or eighth inning, you're behind, 17 00:01:09.200 --> 00:01:11.280 you got a man on base. They bring in the 18 00:01:11.359 --> 00:01:15.519 left hander out of the bullpen, and you bring the 19 00:01:15.599 --> 00:01:18.079 left off the off the bench to face him. 20 00:01:18.200 --> 00:01:19.000 Well, there you go. 21 00:01:19.640 --> 00:01:22.000 Yes, let's keep rocking in the free world. 22 00:01:22.000 --> 00:01:26.959 There, Bob So I did not attend the National Laura 23 00:01:26.959 --> 00:01:28.879 and I were just discussing this a short time ago, 24 00:01:28.920 --> 00:01:31.200 but both of you did. Both of you were on 25 00:01:31.280 --> 00:01:34.920 the big stage, and I saw the picture of. 26 00:01:34.879 --> 00:01:37.680 A very nice stage this year, but I think we 27 00:01:37.799 --> 00:01:43.439 had like actual cushion. Yeah, kind of went all out. 28 00:01:43.680 --> 00:01:45.120 So that's pretty good. 29 00:01:45.480 --> 00:01:47.959 There you go. One thing I did notice, Chris is 30 00:01:48.000 --> 00:01:49.319 that you're a very tall man. 31 00:01:49.680 --> 00:01:53.439 Yes I am. I'm a very large man six three. 32 00:01:53.200 --> 00:01:59.640 Six, I have six to one. So if I stood 33 00:01:59.640 --> 00:02:01.439 next to you, you'd make me look small, which is 34 00:02:01.439 --> 00:02:03.879 is a rarity in my life. But anyway, so let 35 00:02:03.920 --> 00:02:05.760 me let's let's go over and say hello to the 36 00:02:05.840 --> 00:02:10.800 chat this morning. Uh uh. Phil Pie was here already 37 00:02:11.280 --> 00:02:14.240 before we even opened. Asked who our guests were talked 38 00:02:14.240 --> 00:02:16.639 about the back and shutdown which we will be talking about, 39 00:02:16.919 --> 00:02:20.439 and I answered him Chris and Lauren. No, Uncle Rich, Yes, sorry. 40 00:02:20.560 --> 00:02:23.639 Uncle Rich and I have done many shows together. He's 41 00:02:23.719 --> 00:02:26.520 usually on with me and it's a it's wonderful, but 42 00:02:27.120 --> 00:02:29.639 not his ton. Uncle Rich is one of my guys, 43 00:02:29.639 --> 00:02:31.639 and he's definitely one of our our guys. 44 00:02:31.759 --> 00:02:33.039 We missed him at the National. 45 00:02:33.240 --> 00:02:37.840 He didn't Good morning to Mad City brew yank me 46 00:02:37.919 --> 00:02:41.560 card Steve, Hello from Tucson. I assume that's Tucson, Arizona. 47 00:02:42.240 --> 00:02:45.199 Red light three four three, Good morning from the crane. 48 00:02:45.240 --> 00:02:47.360 I don't know what that means the crane, you guys know. 49 00:02:49.159 --> 00:02:52.879 Peter b good morning. Oh the great Bob Bob Boosel 50 00:02:53.039 --> 00:02:55.280 is here. That is a that is a good piece 51 00:02:55.319 --> 00:02:59.080 of information. Pastor Craig, how are you, sir this morning? 52 00:03:00.080 --> 00:03:00.199 Dan? 53 00:03:00.240 --> 00:03:05.199 You are everywhere just WATCHINGTY six. I just put it up, Larry. 54 00:03:05.639 --> 00:03:08.120 It just went up at ten thirty. I appreciate looking 55 00:03:08.159 --> 00:03:11.439 at my videos the moment they go up. Sports Guru seventeen, 56 00:03:11.479 --> 00:03:14.280 Good morning everyone. Good morning to you, Sarah apl and Vegas. 57 00:03:14.280 --> 00:03:17.840 Good morning, baseball card curmudgeon. What's up, fella? It's not 58 00:03:17.960 --> 00:03:18.879 fellas we go? 59 00:03:19.039 --> 00:03:22.479 Lauren Ellas is gender neutral. I'll accept the NFL. 60 00:03:24.240 --> 00:03:28.280 There he is, John Keating. I will see you at 61 00:03:28.280 --> 00:03:30.560 the Philly Show. I hope, sir. We're gonna have a 62 00:03:30.599 --> 00:03:33.080 lot of people around, so you better come this time. 63 00:03:33.360 --> 00:03:36.560 I guess I should explain the background. This is what 64 00:03:36.599 --> 00:03:40.800 we call a door, kind of like a mid nineteenth 65 00:03:40.800 --> 00:03:45.080 century French Renaissance door. This is called a bare wall, 66 00:03:45.879 --> 00:03:49.960 and behind me is just a pile of sheets and blankets, 67 00:03:50.000 --> 00:03:52.400 because this is the spare bedroom and we have no 68 00:03:52.479 --> 00:03:56.080 place else to store it. So that explained my background. 69 00:03:56.319 --> 00:03:58.360 We need to get you a framed photo of the 70 00:03:58.400 --> 00:04:00.280 public transit to Atlantic City. 71 00:04:00.719 --> 00:04:04.240 The train, Yes, the Atlantic City train, so you go. 72 00:04:04.800 --> 00:04:06.560 Uh, I didn't even know there was a train to 73 00:04:06.599 --> 00:04:09.479 Atlantic City until this moment. I've only ever driven there 74 00:04:09.840 --> 00:04:10.400 was at the National. 75 00:04:10.599 --> 00:04:13.439 Were you guys at the National It's literally right next 76 00:04:13.520 --> 00:04:16.199 door the train stations at the convention center. 77 00:04:16.480 --> 00:04:18.759 Really well, I came back started. 78 00:04:21.959 --> 00:04:25.720 Yeah, the next time the Nationals in Atlantic City. You 79 00:04:25.759 --> 00:04:29.319 don't have to stay in Atlantic City. You can stay 80 00:04:29.360 --> 00:04:32.240 in Philadelphia. You can stay in Cherry Hill. There's a 81 00:04:32.319 --> 00:04:37.120 very nice hotel within walking distance of the train station there. 82 00:04:37.839 --> 00:04:40.240 So red Light has confirmed that he is, in fact 83 00:04:40.319 --> 00:04:44.040 working in his crane. Be safe, sir, Good morning from 84 00:04:44.040 --> 00:04:46.360 the Greatest Sport. Wait, John, you're in New York. John, 85 00:04:46.360 --> 00:04:48.079 if you're in New York, you should you should visit 86 00:04:48.160 --> 00:04:52.560 with me the Greatest. So we clarified that I don't 87 00:04:52.560 --> 00:04:57.040 even want to start dan chart. Yeah, I collect it 88 00:04:57.439 --> 00:05:00.000 twenty four to thirty nine. Good morning, Good morning to you, 89 00:05:00.160 --> 00:05:04.800 Good morning to Joseph Confluence sports cards. Perfect time and 90 00:05:04.920 --> 00:05:07.360 just got done mowing. Uh well, I live in New 91 00:05:07.439 --> 00:05:11.120 York City, so there's no mowing. Good morning to BK 92 00:05:11.360 --> 00:05:15.560 Sports Card Stories, Phil Pie. We have said hello to 93 00:05:15.639 --> 00:05:19.519 you already. Cooter lev is here, Hey, sir, how are 94 00:05:19.560 --> 00:05:22.720 you there? We go see this is the story. It 95 00:05:23.040 --> 00:05:29.439 would it would detract from us concentrated on from you. Yeah, 96 00:05:29.480 --> 00:05:33.600 all right, well I think she already said that. Let's see. 97 00:05:33.639 --> 00:05:36.199 I think we're done with saying good morning to the chat. 98 00:05:36.240 --> 00:05:39.879 Is everybody here? Yes? Oh, there we go. TJ is here, Tony, 99 00:05:39.879 --> 00:05:45.519 how are you sir? Yes, well you were lucky one 100 00:05:45.560 --> 00:05:48.680 of the best guys around. He helped me do an 101 00:05:48.720 --> 00:05:52.279 interview with Love of the Game auctions on my channel 102 00:05:52.319 --> 00:05:54.920 that went up on Friday morning. And Tony is, of 103 00:05:54.959 --> 00:05:57.040 course one of those guys who not only a good guy, 104 00:05:57.040 --> 00:05:59.560 but also has tons of knowledge, so bringing him in 105 00:05:59.600 --> 00:06:03.240 to that situation was was advantageous for me and for 106 00:06:03.399 --> 00:06:05.519 Love of the Game, which closes, by the way, on 107 00:06:05.560 --> 00:06:09.000 Saturday night, and I am in it officially in it, 108 00:06:09.240 --> 00:06:13.240 so we'll see what happens. So we have three topics 109 00:06:13.279 --> 00:06:16.560 to discuss this morning. The first one, I guess you know, 110 00:06:17.040 --> 00:06:20.120 you can't do a hobby hotline without talking about grating. 111 00:06:20.319 --> 00:06:24.279 So we're gonna, uh, we're gonna go to this, of. 112 00:06:24.160 --> 00:06:26.639 Course you bring in the panelists that doesn't get his 113 00:06:26.800 --> 00:06:28.720 carved well. 114 00:06:29.199 --> 00:06:32.759 To be fair, I have never actually submitted to Beckett. 115 00:06:32.759 --> 00:06:37.199 I've submitted to SGC many many times and to PSA 116 00:06:37.279 --> 00:06:40.680 a few times. But I guess Lauren, you would be 117 00:06:40.720 --> 00:06:43.800 the person to ask, since neither Chris nor I have 118 00:06:43.879 --> 00:06:46.319 ever submitted to Beckett? Have you ever submitted to Beckett? 119 00:06:47.560 --> 00:06:51.319 I don't think we have. I have like a long 120 00:06:51.360 --> 00:06:53.560 story about, you know, a card that I sent a 121 00:06:53.600 --> 00:06:57.560 PSA that was a ten got damaged in their ceiling 122 00:06:57.600 --> 00:07:01.240 process and blah blah blah. So I I prefer Beckett 123 00:07:01.240 --> 00:07:04.800 because I like that they tell you like how you 124 00:07:04.839 --> 00:07:09.920 got to that grade, So I I would I really 125 00:07:09.959 --> 00:07:13.199 my number one is s GC, but I do like Beckett. 126 00:07:13.240 --> 00:07:15.720 And then PSA is way down at the bottom, so. 127 00:07:19.000 --> 00:07:24.160 I'm glad he listened to the other Chris. So yeah, 128 00:07:24.879 --> 00:07:26.920 I mean, I guess the big picture here, and and 129 00:07:26.959 --> 00:07:29.480 you know Phil Pie, who a couple of people came in. 130 00:07:30.120 --> 00:07:32.720 Where was Phil Pie there? It is okay screwing up something. 131 00:07:32.800 --> 00:07:34.759 Let's buy our competitors and totally miss it up. I 132 00:07:34.759 --> 00:07:38.279 don't know. I mean, if anything has come of the 133 00:07:38.319 --> 00:07:41.480 purchase of Beckett by p s A or Collector's Universe. 134 00:07:42.199 --> 00:07:45.279 It's that Beckett seems to have gained in the in 135 00:07:45.360 --> 00:07:48.720 the hobby. Their numbers are up, and I think maybe 136 00:07:48.759 --> 00:07:51.120 their reputation is up because they would they had they 137 00:07:51.120 --> 00:07:56.399 went through a spell there, which John John Keating mentions 138 00:07:56.399 --> 00:08:00.839 here there was a point where Beckett kept screwing Becket grading. 139 00:08:00.959 --> 00:08:03.480 I'm not talking about doctor Beckett, but Beckett Grading was 140 00:08:03.519 --> 00:08:06.959 screwing up all sorts of PR stuff, including this new 141 00:08:07.000 --> 00:08:10.240 logo they released at the Atlantic City, which I you know, 142 00:08:10.600 --> 00:08:12.959 I was there and saw it, and then they just 143 00:08:13.279 --> 00:08:15.360 never did anything with it. But at this point I 144 00:08:15.399 --> 00:08:18.920 kind of feel like they're doing okay, and shutting down 145 00:08:19.279 --> 00:08:22.079 is the new is the new black so to speak. 146 00:08:22.120 --> 00:08:26.920 You know, uh, TAG is shut down and PSA shut 147 00:08:26.959 --> 00:08:28.959 down and who else somebody else did. 148 00:08:28.839 --> 00:08:35.879 To be Beckett and Tag. Yeah. Yeah, as someone who 149 00:08:35.960 --> 00:08:39.600 went to the National the lines at the PSA were 150 00:08:39.600 --> 00:08:44.200 out or ridiculous all week. Same thing with BGS, same 151 00:08:44.240 --> 00:08:48.519 thing with cgcf GC was a ghost town all week. 152 00:08:48.720 --> 00:08:49.000 Yeah. 153 00:08:49.120 --> 00:08:51.840 I kind of felt kind of felt sorry for you 154 00:08:52.039 --> 00:08:55.480 because if you wanted to get your cards graded and 155 00:08:55.600 --> 00:08:59.440 didn't care which card grader did it you can get 156 00:08:59.480 --> 00:09:04.480 your card. I'm pretty sure graded quickly. At SGC, there 157 00:09:04.559 --> 00:09:08.240 were no lines. I have a theory as to why 158 00:09:08.320 --> 00:09:11.159 this is. When I was last on hobby Hotline a 159 00:09:11.240 --> 00:09:15.840 couple of weeks ago, I mentioned that about two thirds 160 00:09:15.840 --> 00:09:20.399 of the cards being graded were TCGs and that was 161 00:09:20.519 --> 00:09:24.039 crowding out a lot of the sports cards being submitted. 162 00:09:24.720 --> 00:09:27.759 So I have a theory that a lot of sports 163 00:09:27.840 --> 00:09:32.080 card collectors were waiting for the national to sub their cards. 164 00:09:32.399 --> 00:09:37.679 Hence the long lines at PSA, the long lines at CGC, 165 00:09:38.519 --> 00:09:42.080 and the long lines at Beckett. So that's my theory 166 00:09:42.120 --> 00:09:45.600 about it. And I'm sticking SCC didn't do on site 167 00:09:45.639 --> 00:09:48.399 grow okay that I did. 168 00:09:48.240 --> 00:09:53.159 Not know that they should have. I'm sorry, Lauren, go ahead, 169 00:09:53.440 --> 00:09:54.320 they should have. 170 00:09:54.320 --> 00:09:56.320 They would have made a killing because p s A 171 00:09:56.480 --> 00:09:59.519 and Beckett shut down they you know, every like I 172 00:09:59.519 --> 00:10:01.799 think what said is right. I think a lot of 173 00:10:01.799 --> 00:10:04.399 people were saving and waiting for the nationals so they 174 00:10:04.440 --> 00:10:08.440 could get it back quickly. And some people who submitted 175 00:10:08.440 --> 00:10:11.000 their card they weren't going to get it back like 176 00:10:11.080 --> 00:10:13.440 they had the expectation they get it back by Sunday, 177 00:10:13.600 --> 00:10:15.879 and PSA had to tell them like, oh, I think 178 00:10:15.919 --> 00:10:17.120 it's going to be longer than. 179 00:10:16.960 --> 00:10:22.960 That, which is a subject in and of itself that 180 00:10:23.000 --> 00:10:26.279 we didn't we didn't talk about, but I mean it 181 00:10:26.320 --> 00:10:29.480 was part of the whole grading landscape at the National. 182 00:10:29.600 --> 00:10:33.519 I have a submissions and it was submitted it mailed 183 00:10:33.519 --> 00:10:36.080 it out on April sixteenth, three or four days after 184 00:10:36.120 --> 00:10:38.559 I got back from Strongsville, and it has a lot 185 00:10:38.559 --> 00:10:40.360 of strong sweel cards in it. And here I am 186 00:10:40.559 --> 00:10:44.320 the Nationals over the Philly Show's coming up, and I 187 00:10:44.360 --> 00:10:47.440 still have it back. It went into what it called postgrading, 188 00:10:48.240 --> 00:10:51.159 which used to be postgrading next day in the mail, 189 00:10:51.320 --> 00:10:53.360 got your cards back. Past grading now is like a 190 00:10:53.360 --> 00:10:56.039 couple of weeks. So now I'm like, I might not 191 00:10:56.120 --> 00:10:59.240 even get this back like before the end of August. 192 00:10:59.279 --> 00:11:02.039 We'll see what happened, but that's that's gonna be like 193 00:11:02.240 --> 00:11:04.759 four to four and a half months door to door 194 00:11:04.799 --> 00:11:08.000 for SGC, which frankly is going to kill their business 195 00:11:08.000 --> 00:11:09.960 because one of the things that they offered as an 196 00:11:10.000 --> 00:11:13.600 alternative to the other ones is that they were fast. 197 00:11:13.840 --> 00:11:16.559 They were fast, their customer service was good, their grading 198 00:11:16.600 --> 00:11:18.960 is good. My last submission with them took three months 199 00:11:18.960 --> 00:11:21.639 door to door, and the grating was good, and I said, 200 00:11:21.960 --> 00:11:24.039 I did a whole video, and I said, I don't 201 00:11:24.039 --> 00:11:25.360 know if I'm still going to grade with them. I'm 202 00:11:25.360 --> 00:11:27.960 probably gonna do one more, but maybe not. And here 203 00:11:27.960 --> 00:11:30.799 we are, and they've they've you know, they're pushing me 204 00:11:30.799 --> 00:11:33.519 in a situation where I don't know, I can't have 205 00:11:33.639 --> 00:11:35.440 cards out for four and a half months. I'm sixty 206 00:11:35.480 --> 00:11:38.440 two years old. I don't have four and a half months, 207 00:11:38.480 --> 00:11:42.720 you know. But anyway, I think your points are well taken, Lauren, 208 00:11:42.799 --> 00:11:47.039 and I think that ultimately something's got to give because 209 00:11:47.159 --> 00:11:51.759 if everybody's closed, and you know, even CGC is now 210 00:11:51.799 --> 00:11:53.200 saying four to six months. 211 00:11:52.919 --> 00:11:56.000 For return, that which is crazy. If CGC and SGC 212 00:11:56.559 --> 00:12:01.480 are pushing out three four months, that's that's absurd, like that, 213 00:12:01.480 --> 00:12:04.360 that's just so wild. They I don't know, I know, 214 00:12:04.399 --> 00:12:07.799 I'm sure it's a complicated, you know, situation, and and 215 00:12:07.960 --> 00:12:10.720 you know, like Chris said, a lot of TCG, which 216 00:12:11.039 --> 00:12:13.639 not a lot of us are familiar with. So, you know, 217 00:12:13.720 --> 00:12:16.039 for the sports cards to be feeling the impact of 218 00:12:16.080 --> 00:12:21.799 TDG is interesting but also not our problem. And the 219 00:12:21.960 --> 00:12:24.519 trading companies have to come together and figure it out. 220 00:12:24.720 --> 00:12:28.120 They have to because we have certain expectations and for 221 00:12:28.200 --> 00:12:31.519 SGC to take you, you know, from April to now 222 00:12:31.600 --> 00:12:34.320 you still don't have your cards. That's wild for them. 223 00:12:34.399 --> 00:12:36.639 That is the thing that they are best known for. 224 00:12:37.240 --> 00:12:41.639 And yeah, I mean they're all kind of in the 225 00:12:41.639 --> 00:12:46.159 same boat, which is, you know, counterintuitive when you have options. 226 00:12:46.159 --> 00:12:48.480 You know, that's kind of not how this is supposed 227 00:12:48.519 --> 00:12:48.919 to work. 228 00:12:49.120 --> 00:12:52.559 So so John says, here, buy your cards already graded. 229 00:12:52.639 --> 00:12:56.080 That's one solution. The other solution is magnacro. 230 00:13:00.039 --> 00:13:01.440 But I think that I really. 231 00:13:01.320 --> 00:13:03.919 Do all stack of them, because that's what I've been 232 00:13:03.919 --> 00:13:06.600 doing lately for four and a half months. I didn't 233 00:13:06.600 --> 00:13:09.720 stop buying cards, but I stopped grading cards, and I 234 00:13:09.720 --> 00:13:13.360 put them in my one touches and they look perfectly fine, 235 00:13:13.559 --> 00:13:15.360 some of them, you know. And the other thing, and 236 00:13:15.440 --> 00:13:17.639 I did a thing, I did a thing on another 237 00:13:17.679 --> 00:13:20.919 show that I do where I said, the freedom not 238 00:13:21.039 --> 00:13:24.360 to grade is something that I'm feeling, you know, particularly 239 00:13:24.480 --> 00:13:26.799 cheerful about that. I don't feel like I have to 240 00:13:26.799 --> 00:13:29.799 grade every card now. And you know, a card comes 241 00:13:29.799 --> 00:13:31.519 in and I know it's you know, it's an old 242 00:13:31.679 --> 00:13:33.440 I do a lot of vintage. I know a lot 243 00:13:33.440 --> 00:13:35.039 of a lot of my cards are ones or ones 244 00:13:35.080 --> 00:13:37.080 and a half, one and a half or whatever. So 245 00:13:37.679 --> 00:13:40.000 I will look at the card, say this is going 246 00:13:40.080 --> 00:13:41.919 to be one. Why do I need sgcated on me? 247 00:13:41.919 --> 00:13:44.360 It's one, britt a magpro. I don't have to wait 248 00:13:44.360 --> 00:13:45.919 four and a half months. I put it up on 249 00:13:45.960 --> 00:13:48.559 the wall or whatever, and there we go. So I 250 00:13:48.600 --> 00:13:51.279 think not grading or buying cards that are already graded 251 00:13:51.279 --> 00:13:54.360 are probably the solutions that they're pushing us into with this. 252 00:13:55.240 --> 00:13:59.840 And another solution is I think collectors need to realize 253 00:13:59.879 --> 00:14:04.200 that not every card needs to be graded exactly. Not 254 00:14:04.360 --> 00:14:08.320 every twenty twenty six tops based rookie needs to go 255 00:14:08.399 --> 00:14:12.720 on a slab, right, And unless you're getting like a 256 00:14:12.879 --> 00:14:16.159 Gemmin ten or even a black Label ten, the amount 257 00:14:16.200 --> 00:14:19.840 you pay to get that card graded, the return on 258 00:14:19.919 --> 00:14:25.159 that is probably at best breaking. So I think a 259 00:14:25.159 --> 00:14:27.519 lot of folks need to learn that the hard are 260 00:14:27.600 --> 00:14:29.279 going to learn that the hard way. 261 00:14:29.720 --> 00:14:33.240 Sorry, I supposed there for a second freedom not to 262 00:14:33.279 --> 00:14:38.200 grade yet. So the problem, of course is that you know, 263 00:14:38.240 --> 00:14:40.960 I'm not in the modern hobby, and I know a 264 00:14:41.000 --> 00:14:44.720 lot of the modern hobby is basically run by you know, 265 00:14:45.039 --> 00:14:48.879 grading cards, increasing value, selling the cards. That whole flipping 266 00:14:49.159 --> 00:14:52.639 mentality is something that I'm sort of foreign too, and 267 00:14:52.919 --> 00:14:56.279 you know, it's it's changing that landscape, and I wonder, 268 00:14:56.399 --> 00:14:59.480 I mean, is that something that is really going to 269 00:14:59.600 --> 00:15:01.679 change the way that the modern hobby acts? 270 00:15:01.879 --> 00:15:09.440 Thoughts it should? I don't know if there's enough? Well, 271 00:15:09.679 --> 00:15:12.279 what was it? The PT Barnum said, there's one. I'm 272 00:15:12.360 --> 00:15:15.919 born every minute. As long as there are people who 273 00:15:16.480 --> 00:15:20.320 think that they're smarter than they already than they actually are, 274 00:15:20.759 --> 00:15:23.360 and think that they can make money in this hobby 275 00:15:23.440 --> 00:15:26.759 by flipping cards, there's always going to be a demand 276 00:15:26.840 --> 00:15:29.600 for services like grading, So. 277 00:15:29.960 --> 00:15:34.159 True, I think. I mean for me, I the only 278 00:15:34.200 --> 00:15:38.720 time I grade is because, like if I'm submitting something 279 00:15:38.759 --> 00:15:41.519 for grading, which is very rare, does not happen very often. 280 00:15:41.879 --> 00:15:44.080 It's because I want my cards to be secure. I'm 281 00:15:44.080 --> 00:15:48.200 a big cocoa golf collector and SGC was fast and 282 00:15:48.279 --> 00:15:50.759 they're in South Florida, I believe, so like they the 283 00:15:50.879 --> 00:15:53.519 cards would come back to me quickly. It's doac nicely. 284 00:15:53.679 --> 00:15:56.879 So like my cocoa collection is mostly from what I've 285 00:15:56.919 --> 00:16:00.519 pulled or what I've acquired raw SGC, and it's because 286 00:16:00.919 --> 00:16:03.039 I am keeping those and I like them to be 287 00:16:03.480 --> 00:16:08.799 protected neat whatever. But yeah, I think I think people 288 00:16:08.840 --> 00:16:13.080 do have to kind of recognize, like like it's it 289 00:16:13.200 --> 00:16:16.360 is an option, it's not a necessity. And if you're flipping, 290 00:16:16.399 --> 00:16:18.480 then yeah, usually you know, in order to make that 291 00:16:18.559 --> 00:16:21.519 extra few dollars, you know, you need the nine over 292 00:16:21.559 --> 00:16:24.919 an eight or ten over a nine. But I think 293 00:16:24.919 --> 00:16:27.679 the only like I think the real two reasons that 294 00:16:27.720 --> 00:16:31.120 people should grade is a either to protect their card 295 00:16:31.279 --> 00:16:34.279 because they want it to be you know, kept safe, 296 00:16:34.759 --> 00:16:38.799 or be they need to verify that their card is 297 00:16:39.240 --> 00:16:43.440 real and legitimate. And I think that, like Chris said, 298 00:16:43.559 --> 00:16:47.240 just you know, throwing in a base rookie of somebody 299 00:16:47.360 --> 00:16:50.279 just because you know people are talking about it or whatever. 300 00:16:50.440 --> 00:16:53.440 I don't think that that's a sustainable way obviously a 301 00:16:53.480 --> 00:16:57.080 sustainable way to grade. So I think people, I mean, 302 00:16:57.120 --> 00:16:59.120 and I'm not trying to put it back on collectors. 303 00:16:59.159 --> 00:17:02.200 I definitely think the companies have to figure stuff out. 304 00:17:02.279 --> 00:17:04.880 This is their service and they're not providing it properly. 305 00:17:05.319 --> 00:17:07.279 But I do think collectors need to be a little 306 00:17:07.319 --> 00:17:10.519 more discerning about what they want graded and how they 307 00:17:10.599 --> 00:17:13.759 want it graded, because also PSA grades they don't I 308 00:17:13.799 --> 00:17:15.319 don't want to go on a PSA rant but like 309 00:17:15.359 --> 00:17:18.000 they don't tell you why it gets that grade, and 310 00:17:18.400 --> 00:17:21.640 they also will charge you based on their perceived value 311 00:17:21.680 --> 00:17:24.559 of that card. And you know, you need to be 312 00:17:24.640 --> 00:17:28.119 more discerning as a collector if that is relevant to 313 00:17:28.160 --> 00:17:30.240 you and your hobby experience. 314 00:17:30.400 --> 00:17:35.160 So all one hundred percent tro and I think you know, 315 00:17:35.240 --> 00:17:38.960 I will accept some you know, some guilt for sending 316 00:17:39.000 --> 00:17:41.039 cards in that probably shouldn't have been graded, but a 317 00:17:41.079 --> 00:17:43.680 lot of it was I wanted them to be authentic. 318 00:17:43.759 --> 00:17:46.039 I wanted them to display and wanted them to be 319 00:17:46.079 --> 00:17:47.880 you know, and like I said, everything I collect, pretty 320 00:17:47.920 --> 00:17:51.200 much everything I collect is victied. Most of what I 321 00:17:51.240 --> 00:17:54.200 collect these days is pre war. And so you know, 322 00:17:54.839 --> 00:17:57.960 authenticity is something that maybe five ten years ago I 323 00:17:58.000 --> 00:18:02.160 didn't really I wasn't comfortable in my own determinations of that, 324 00:18:02.279 --> 00:18:06.000 But now I am, so I feel pretty good that Chris, 325 00:18:06.039 --> 00:18:08.759 what happened to the apartment? You had a beautiful piano there. 326 00:18:09.799 --> 00:18:11.799 I moved just split second. 327 00:18:12.119 --> 00:18:15.039 To your point, Lauren, it makes no sense to grade 328 00:18:15.079 --> 00:18:17.880 something where you're not adding any value. I feel like, 329 00:18:18.119 --> 00:18:20.039 you know, that's part of the reason I'm using these 330 00:18:20.440 --> 00:18:24.480 this this you know PSA one, SGC one or in 331 00:18:24.519 --> 00:18:27.400 a mag the card is worth and so why spend 332 00:18:27.440 --> 00:18:29.799 the extra fifteen or twenty bucks? And we wad four anyway, 333 00:18:30.720 --> 00:18:32.720 So we did have a topic number two, which is 334 00:18:33.119 --> 00:18:37.200 depressing his Heck, I'm gonna play a video and the 335 00:18:37.279 --> 00:18:40.839 video starts about thirty seconds in to set the stage here. 336 00:18:40.960 --> 00:18:44.319 It is a it's a video of a theft, and 337 00:18:44.480 --> 00:18:46.440 it's a theft of something I believe to be about 338 00:18:46.440 --> 00:18:50.400 a ten thousand dollars card. The gentleman who you'll see 339 00:18:50.400 --> 00:18:52.759 in a white hat and a white shirt is apparently 340 00:18:52.799 --> 00:18:55.640 the dealer. He's facing in a certain direction doing something, 341 00:18:56.039 --> 00:18:58.839 and behind him there is an older man and a 342 00:18:58.880 --> 00:19:02.559 younger who's probably the boy's probably ten or twelve years old. 343 00:19:02.839 --> 00:19:06.839 The man might be his father, his grandfather, or nobody. 344 00:19:07.119 --> 00:19:09.640 He could be, you know, just some guy who you know, 345 00:19:09.799 --> 00:19:12.480 needed a kid to distract or whatever. But I'll play 346 00:19:12.480 --> 00:19:16.319 it from about thirty seconds and I think it deserves 347 00:19:16.359 --> 00:19:48.799 some commentary. That's about all we need to see, So 348 00:19:49.000 --> 00:19:52.200 if you missed it, there there's a conversation between the 349 00:19:52.279 --> 00:19:55.519 boy and the man. The man opens up the lid 350 00:19:55.559 --> 00:19:57.880 of the case, reaches in, grabs the card, gives it 351 00:19:57.880 --> 00:20:00.240 to the kid. They have a little conversation for about 352 00:20:00.240 --> 00:20:02.759 three or four seconds, and then they leave. The dealer, 353 00:20:02.799 --> 00:20:05.039 who I believe the dealer is. The gentleman in the white, 354 00:20:05.160 --> 00:20:07.440 white hat and white shirt is facing in the other 355 00:20:07.480 --> 00:20:11.079 direction of the entire time. And so my original thought 356 00:20:11.079 --> 00:20:14.519 of this is how freaking sad this is because there's 357 00:20:14.519 --> 00:20:19.319 a kid there who's this experienced. You know, there are videos, 358 00:20:19.359 --> 00:20:22.480 there are pictures, they're close ups. Eventually law enforcement is 359 00:20:22.519 --> 00:20:25.039 going to find this gentleman and take action against him, 360 00:20:25.240 --> 00:20:26.599 and this kid is going to have to deal with 361 00:20:26.640 --> 00:20:27.920 this for the rest of his life. And to me, 362 00:20:28.000 --> 00:20:31.119 that's extraordinarily sad. But from a hobby perspective, it's a 363 00:20:31.119 --> 00:20:33.839 couple of things. One is, some of us said this 364 00:20:33.880 --> 00:20:36.119 before the national there's a lot of money going around. 365 00:20:36.160 --> 00:20:39.400 There's a lot of people and eyewitnessed thefts, not didn't 366 00:20:39.400 --> 00:20:42.279 witness thefts last year, but had some connection with some 367 00:20:42.680 --> 00:20:45.880 dealers that I knew that had been that had been victimized. 368 00:20:45.920 --> 00:20:48.599 And so theft was bad last year, it was worse 369 00:20:48.680 --> 00:20:51.920 this year. And this is like the poster childs of theft. 370 00:20:52.240 --> 00:20:54.279 And I have some thoughts, but I want to go 371 00:20:54.279 --> 00:20:58.319 to you guys first, Lauren, what's your like, your initial 372 00:20:58.319 --> 00:21:00.480 reaction and some of your thoughts on on what this 373 00:21:00.559 --> 00:21:01.119 is all about. 374 00:21:01.440 --> 00:21:06.160 Yeah, when I when I first saw the video, my 375 00:21:06.160 --> 00:21:11.160 my stomach sank because it's it's sad and it's frustrating, 376 00:21:11.319 --> 00:21:14.799 and we were set up as dealers at the National 377 00:21:14.880 --> 00:21:19.000 and unfortunately that's what's on our mind the whole time. 378 00:21:20.119 --> 00:21:22.680 I the only time I stepped away from our table 379 00:21:22.759 --> 00:21:25.039 was when I was on the Hobby Hotline panel and 380 00:21:25.119 --> 00:21:28.160 I set alarms. I couldn't get caught in a conversation. 381 00:21:28.400 --> 00:21:30.519 I did just have to kind of like wave goodbye 382 00:21:30.519 --> 00:21:33.640 and dip. I couldn't be gone for too long because 383 00:21:34.079 --> 00:21:40.279 this is the concern, and it's it's it's there's just 384 00:21:40.279 --> 00:21:42.279 so many things. I know a lot of people are 385 00:21:42.319 --> 00:21:45.359 feeling a lot of things, but it's it's mostly just 386 00:21:45.720 --> 00:21:50.599 disappointing because you you don't want to look at everybody 387 00:21:50.599 --> 00:21:52.480 who walks up to your table as a threat, and 388 00:21:52.599 --> 00:21:57.119 unfortunately you do because you just don't know what people's 389 00:21:57.160 --> 00:22:02.319 intentions are. And I am constantly just scanning back and forth. 390 00:22:02.400 --> 00:22:04.599 And they were so slick about it. He just lifted 391 00:22:04.640 --> 00:22:07.400 it up, slightly, slid it out, looked at it like 392 00:22:07.440 --> 00:22:10.079 he was pretending to examine it and then handed it 393 00:22:10.079 --> 00:22:11.960 to the kid like the kid was going to examine it, 394 00:22:12.359 --> 00:22:14.680 and then they just slid it in their bag, and 395 00:22:16.119 --> 00:22:20.319 you know, it's it's unfortunate. And I believe it was upstairs. 396 00:22:20.319 --> 00:22:23.079 So like the upstairs space is an expansion of the 397 00:22:23.200 --> 00:22:26.240 National and the growth of the National. And you know, 398 00:22:26.440 --> 00:22:28.119 I don't know who the dealer was. I don't know 399 00:22:28.160 --> 00:22:30.839 those details, but like that might have been somebody who 400 00:22:31.200 --> 00:22:33.839 felt very fortunate to get a table at the National. 401 00:22:33.839 --> 00:22:35.839