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<v Speaker 5>Welcome to the Othering Podcast with my Candori.

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<v Speaker 6>All Right.

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<v Speaker 1>Today we are talking to Jermaine Greeves, the founder of

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<v Speaker 1>Black Disabled Lives Matter. He has a creative powerhouse with

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<v Speaker 1>skills and event planning, marketing and artist manager. While being

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<v Speaker 1>a promoter, Germaine volunteered for the Afro Punk and Brooklyn

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<v Speaker 1>Music Festival as well as for in store festivals. He

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<v Speaker 1>also partnered with Not Like the Other Kids clothing line

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<v Speaker 1>brand that gives back a portion of proceeds to kids

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<v Speaker 1>with disabilities. Experienced in putting together sponsorship packages, Germaine has

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<v Speaker 1>industry contacts and was featured on Good Morning America, NBC four, Telemundo,

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<v Speaker 1>and BuzzFeed, as well as other social media. Germaine has

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<v Speaker 1>also performed for the Lincoln Center and a fan made

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<v Speaker 1>music video for Beyonce Welcome Jermaine.

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<v Speaker 5>It's welcome you.

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<v Speaker 6>Hi, welcome. That was a great introduction.

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<v Speaker 1>You gave it to us.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I didn't realize I did that my stuff? Wow

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<v Speaker 6>it is. I mean yeah, I'll even tell you I've

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<v Speaker 6>done a bit more even after that. But we're gonna

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<v Speaker 6>get there eventually. So what's going on with me as

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<v Speaker 6>a vlade? So as of late, for about a year now,

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<v Speaker 6>I've developed a documentary called GERMANE Gave Documentary and it's

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<v Speaker 6>one of few awards AESO Berlin Berlin Short Film Festival

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<v Speaker 6>that's an international award, and I've won something in America already.

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<v Speaker 6>We did have a deal that was offered to me.

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<v Speaker 6>They're still shopping the film around. That deal has not

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<v Speaker 6>expired yet. I can't think too much on what was

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<v Speaker 6>in it or not right now because it's not expired.

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<v Speaker 6>But there is something. You know, people have been asking me,

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<v Speaker 6>what's going on with the film, folks. We are shopping

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<v Speaker 6>it around to the high Spindder. That's what's been going on.

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<v Speaker 6>That's why you haven't seen a lot of promo for it,

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<v Speaker 6>because I've been shopping it around.

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<v Speaker 1>The film so love was that like making the film

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<v Speaker 1>being disabled, and I.

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<v Speaker 6>Made it with a filmmaker known as Gil Rios, and

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<v Speaker 6>we worked together in twenty twenty four when I shot

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<v Speaker 6>the film, and my reason for making it was because

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<v Speaker 6>at the time, three years before this, I developed a

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<v Speaker 6>chronic illness. I was already disabled with superb palsy, but

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<v Speaker 6>I developed a chronic illness known as hydrotei supertiva. I

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<v Speaker 6>was in chronic pain. Well, you couldn't touch me. I

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<v Speaker 6>was yelling, I was screaming all the things you could

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<v Speaker 6>think of. I was also in a rehab on top

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<v Speaker 6>of the CPE, which it was I was already born with.

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<v Speaker 6>There was so much going on in my body. I

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<v Speaker 6>became so fatigued because I had another disability I had

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<v Speaker 6>to deal with. That was where I had open wounds

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<v Speaker 6>and I had to like close the wounds, and I

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<v Speaker 6>had to eat differently. I had to change my diet

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<v Speaker 6>a whole lot of stuff. I went to thirty five rehabs. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 6>I called some people hell because I went to so many.

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<v Speaker 6>You know, I did curse out some doctors. I did,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, raise hell where I needed to be raised,

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<v Speaker 6>just because I was tired of their bullshit. And what

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<v Speaker 6>I have learned about Dedicaide and insurance is if you

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<v Speaker 6>don't fight like hell, you don't get shipped exactly. So

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<v Speaker 6>I have had to fight with insurance for something as

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<v Speaker 6>simple as womb here. Right now, I'm getting three days

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<v Speaker 6>of womb here, and I should really be inn seven days,

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<v Speaker 6>but insurance can only give me three, said, winging into

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<v Speaker 6>my next thing. I'm currently doing a fundraiser.

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<v Speaker 1>Before you get Before you get there, I want to

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<v Speaker 1>ask about that real quick. If you don't mind, you

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<v Speaker 1>said you only get three days instead of seven. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>does that mean that your pain is a lot worse

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<v Speaker 1>because you're not getting to help with me throughout the week.

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<v Speaker 6>Oh no, no, my pain's better.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually, Okay, that's good.

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<v Speaker 6>I have to backtrack a little bit. So, so before well,

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<v Speaker 6>in the beginning of my HS journey, I was in

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<v Speaker 6>a lot of pain and chronic illness. Then I discovered

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<v Speaker 6>infusions that saved my life, that control my symptoms, that

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<v Speaker 6>reduce the pain level, that reduced the amount of infections

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<v Speaker 6>I would get monthly or daily. It's almost non existent

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<v Speaker 6>at this point. I barely get infections. The only two.

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<v Speaker 6>I feel like. I got the infection more recently because

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<v Speaker 6>the weather was changing and like it's winter and my

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<v Speaker 6>body in the winter time is not the best, so

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<v Speaker 6>I think. And also, just you know, I been you know,

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<v Speaker 6>I work, I go to school, I do a lot

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<v Speaker 6>of things. Maybe I was very busy also just running

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<v Speaker 6>back and forth as a New Yorker, So that may

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<v Speaker 6>have been the reason I got my latest infection. But

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<v Speaker 6>there's a tip that I'm going to share with everybody

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<v Speaker 6>on this podcast. Before I went to the hospital in

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<v Speaker 6>the emergency room for four days, ten days before, I

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<v Speaker 6>told my doctors I had an infection and they refused

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<v Speaker 6>to give me medication. Guys, Wow, So I went to

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<v Speaker 6>the emergency room for no reason though I told them

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<v Speaker 6>I had an infection, and I told them the medication

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<v Speaker 6>I needed. So I am I'm tempted to almost so Medicaid.

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<v Speaker 6>I really want to do it. Something in me really

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<v Speaker 6>wants to do it, just because it's like, I keep

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<v Speaker 6>hearing stories about people going to their primary care asking

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<v Speaker 6>for meds and insurance not approving it. It's a travesty.

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<v Speaker 6>It is bullshit. There's too many elderly and disabled people

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<v Speaker 6>that are suffering under the system of Medicaid and Medicare

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<v Speaker 6>that's not really serving them. There's no reason I should

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<v Speaker 6>have been in the emergency room in the first place,

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<v Speaker 6>if my doctors would have just given me the meds

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<v Speaker 6>I asked for ten days before I had to go

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<v Speaker 6>to the emergency room.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, because, I mean, you would have been able to

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<v Speaker 7>have the insurance pay less by getting the meds that

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<v Speaker 7>you needed when you needed them instead of going to

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<v Speaker 7>the er, because that just ends up costing more.

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<v Speaker 6>And you know, the funny thing is the doctor acts me, oh,

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<v Speaker 6>do you have the antibiotics at home? I said, no,

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<v Speaker 6>I haven't taken antibiotics in three years, but I know

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<v Speaker 6>I have an infection because my body feels different, and

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<v Speaker 6>why are you not listening to me? I literally was like,

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<v Speaker 6>what the hell is wrong with you, lady. I have

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<v Speaker 6>an infection and it needs to be dealt with. I

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<v Speaker 6>was kind of you know, I always have. I always

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<v Speaker 6>end up being the villain and a lot of my

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<v Speaker 6>doctor's stories because I give them hell every time. It's

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<v Speaker 6>just for me as a disabled person. I've been disabled

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<v Speaker 6>since before my second condition, So like when I see them,

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<v Speaker 6>and I always tell people that adults treat people like

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<v Speaker 6>disabilities like children not and we deserve respect, we deserve

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<v Speaker 6>to be treated like human beings. We're not kids. Even

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<v Speaker 6>even at my workplace, people kind of baby me and

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<v Speaker 6>I said, tell them, no, don't do that. And I

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<v Speaker 6>feel like remind people to it to remember I'm an

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<v Speaker 6>adult still and I'm not a kid. And I think

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<v Speaker 6>for me what I have noticed, the old I've gotten,

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<v Speaker 6>the more people try to do little things to get

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<v Speaker 6>over on me, and it's like, no, you can't, No,

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<v Speaker 6>I'm not gonna let you. And you know, I think

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<v Speaker 6>for me being in business and having to do business

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<v Speaker 6>with other people, I've cussed people out. I've ran down

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<v Speaker 6>on people in my wheelchair for money. I am that crazy.

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<v Speaker 6>And I do not play. It's it's I don't play

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<v Speaker 6>a lot of games, and anybody that knows me knows

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<v Speaker 6>that the games will not be played with. And I'm

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<v Speaker 6>very serious about who and what I am and what

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<v Speaker 6>I'm trying to do. So if you think you're gonna

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<v Speaker 6>play me, you're gonna play yourself. I don't really play

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<v Speaker 6>like that, and I don't you know, And I know

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<v Speaker 6>that a lot of people try to play me because

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<v Speaker 6>I'm in the chair and I think I won't do anything.

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<v Speaker 6>Oh honey, I'm gonna do something you won't like.

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<v Speaker 7>It's because of the infantile ze that we get when

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<v Speaker 7>we become disabled, even though they it could be from

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<v Speaker 7>birth and you know that they're adults or they're an

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<v Speaker 7>adult that becomes disabled, and they still infantilize you, assuming

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<v Speaker 7>that you know, all of a sudden are mental acuity

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<v Speaker 7>lowers and you know, as well as our physical acuity,

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<v Speaker 7>and so they want to take advantage of that. They

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<v Speaker 7>think that's how you do it. And unfortunately, there are

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<v Speaker 7>a lot of people that are disabled that have been

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<v Speaker 7>brutally taken advantage of.

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<v Speaker 6>I don't play that. I gave them Helen the nursing home,

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<v Speaker 6>I gave them her in the hospital. I give them

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<v Speaker 6>Hell at home, like anybody that knows me knows I'm

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<v Speaker 6>going to give them hell, you know. And myself advocacy

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<v Speaker 6>developed because of my mother, Like she's the main reason

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<v Speaker 6>I'm such a strong self advocate because honey, she did

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<v Speaker 6>not play with anybody when it came to me. So

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<v Speaker 6>I learned from early on I should not play with

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<v Speaker 6>myself when it came to me. I am also a

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<v Speaker 6>queer person who dates, and the men try it, but

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<v Speaker 6>they don't get very far because I don't play either,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, I've you know, it's a lot of get

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<v Speaker 6>the fuck away from me if I hit you or

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<v Speaker 6>or or I'm gonna do something before something happens to you,

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<v Speaker 6>Like I'm so the way, I am so protected and

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<v Speaker 6>I do not play, and I set my boundaries and

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<v Speaker 6>I live my life. Is should be studied. I feel

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<v Speaker 6>like more disabled people should be okay with setting boundaries.

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<v Speaker 6>I think there's a fear of like if I say no,

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<v Speaker 6>or if if something's gonna happen to me. No, nothing's

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<v Speaker 6>happened to me because I said no. I'm still here.

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<v Speaker 6>Some people don't like it, but I'm still here though,

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<v Speaker 6>And I think for me, I want more disabled people

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<v Speaker 6>to stand in their bondness, and then they disability and say,

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<v Speaker 6>you know what, I'm not going to be treated this way.

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<v Speaker 6>This is not okay. Whether it's in business, in life,

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<v Speaker 6>or just in existing, You're not going to treat me

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<v Speaker 6>like I'm just there, like that's not okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, yeah, that's great. And that's so hard to do,

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<v Speaker 1>even as able bodied or non disabled however you want

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<v Speaker 1>to word it. It's hard to do that and to

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<v Speaker 1>fight back because there is that fear I've always had.

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<v Speaker 6>I feel like, I feel like, because I'm disabled, I

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<v Speaker 6>don't have a choice but to fight back. And for me,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, when I think about the stuff I've created,

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<v Speaker 6>Black Disabled Lives, Mather the clothing brand, all these different

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<v Speaker 6>things I've done, it's forced me to say, you know what,

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<v Speaker 6>I'm here, even if you don't want me here, I'm

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<v Speaker 6>still here. And also I've been in a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>That's awesome, it's really cool.

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<v Speaker 6>No, So so it's stuff like that that's cool, and

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<v Speaker 6>I've done. I was on PBS in twenty twenty four

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<v Speaker 6>I don't know if I liked it, but it was interesting.

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<v Speaker 7>Was that going to Congress.

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<v Speaker 6>know who I am now, so hey, you know, it's

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<v Speaker 6>some amazing people on that trip and it changed my life.

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<v Speaker 7>Sorry I lost my train of thought, but like show

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<v Speaker 7>our faces, show our disabilities, and show them that we're

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<v Speaker 7>not just lumps on a log. Or something like that.

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<v Speaker 7>Like they like to think of there that they think

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<v Speaker 7>that we're invisible. We're very visible.

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<v Speaker 6>I think a lot of people don't know how amazing

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<v Speaker 6>I think that the lack of awareness of what we

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<v Speaker 6>them feel like we don't exist. But there's you know,

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<v Speaker 6>I was a dancer previously, I performed that place is.

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<v Speaker 6>I still dance a little bit here and there. I'm

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<v Speaker 6>still an actor. I've acted, I've done commercials. You know.

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<v Speaker 6>The visibility. You know, I can say that visibility comes

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<v Speaker 6>at a cost because I've been hyper visible in multiple

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<v Speaker 6>platforms spaces. I've been cyberbully multiple times. It was actually

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<v Speaker 6>worse when I was sick because people were like, if

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<v Speaker 6>you're so sick, why can't you do this? Or why

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<v Speaker 6>can't you do that? And I have to explain people,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, sickness looks different for everybody, even like for

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<v Speaker 6>this month, I took like a month off from my

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<v Speaker 6>back into life and adulting and being responsible just so immediately.

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<v Speaker 6>So I made a you know, I made a post

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<v Speaker 6>online about you know, like nine months of won't care

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<v Speaker 6>support guys. I could you know, there's been only coming

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<v Speaker 6>for three days. I have to cover four other days

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<v Speaker 6>that they're not covering. So everyone's like, why do you

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<v Speaker 6>need all that money for You're using it for trips.

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<v Speaker 6>I was like, no, I'm not. I have to take

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<v Speaker 6>care of myself.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yeah, there's nothing wrong with wanting money. I want money, and.

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<v Speaker 7>There's nothing wrong with earning it.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 6>I tell people I have a job, but it's not

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<v Speaker 6>making enough money for me to do everything I need

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<v Speaker 6>to do. It's just it's just the job I have

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<v Speaker 6>is part time. It's not full. It's like I'm not

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<v Speaker 6>making enough to cover everything, Like genuinely, I'm not so.

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<v Speaker 6>And then people get mad at me because I want

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<v Speaker 6>to raise twenty thousand dollars to invest in my short film.

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<v Speaker 6>It's not cheap to get my film out there. You

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<v Speaker 6>think it's cheap to win these awards. It's expensive as hell.

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<v Speaker 7>I mean being disabled is expensive already, so trying to

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<v Speaker 7>add on, you know, showing up and being a representative

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<v Speaker 7>with the movie and having to market the movie, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 7>that's going to be very expensive, you know.

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<v Speaker 6>And I don't have like an agent or a manager

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<v Speaker 6>or anything like that. I mean, I've been signed to

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<v Speaker 6>stuff and I had to drop from them because they

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<v Speaker 6>weren't really helping me, right, Like I've signed with people before,

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<v Speaker 6>but they helped me for a little bit, but it

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<v Speaker 6>wasn't like they had like a lot of connections. A

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<v Speaker 6>lot of stuff I found I found on my own

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<v Speaker 6>and I had to like really work for it. So

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<v Speaker 6>it's so funny how people like you're this and you're that,

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<v Speaker 6>and you don't you know. Also, you know, me being

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<v Speaker 6>queer and like dating that it was this whole whole

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<v Speaker 6>experience too. But you know, a lot of things I

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<v Speaker 6>have enjoyed as a black, disabled queer person. It's so

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<v Speaker 6>much like ables masogyny, people telling me, trying to other me.

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<v Speaker 6>Then people trying to infantilize me, like you said earlier,

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<v Speaker 6>maybe like this kid in their mind, when I'm a

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<v Speaker 6>grown adult who pays bills, and then people are okay

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<v Speaker 6>with not paying me for my services, and I'm like,

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<v Speaker 6>that's so weird to me. So you're okay with me

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<v Speaker 6>being broke, That's.

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<v Speaker 7>Like, yeah, they would be if nobody paid.

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<v Speaker 1>Them, right.

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<v Speaker 6>So it's just like I've had to run down on

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<v Speaker 6>people for money and they're like, you really ran down

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<v Speaker 6>on me? Yes, I did in my chair? What so

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<v Speaker 6>I you know? People are like, you did not play,

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<v Speaker 6>said I never played, but you play with me. So

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<v Speaker 6>now that you know you can't play with me, it changed.

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<v Speaker 6>And I feel like I wish I didn't have to

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<v Speaker 6>go to crazy to get people to respect me. But

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<v Speaker 6>every time I have to go to crazy for them

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<v Speaker 6>to listen to what I got to say. I feel

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<v Speaker 6>like being disabled is constantly having to prove to people

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<v Speaker 6>you're not a psychopath yep, unfortunately, And it's just like

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<v Speaker 6>every time you do something then they want to other

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<v Speaker 6>you and make you feel like you're crazy. I am

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<v Speaker 6>not crazy because of something you did. I am insane

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<v Speaker 6>because you're putting me in a position that's unsafe. Exactly

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<v Speaker 6>when people ask why, they say people don't have a

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<v Speaker 6>lot of people around them, it's because I can't trust you. What.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, it's kind of hard to trust certain people because again,

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<v Speaker 7>there's so many horror stories of people being taken advantage

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<v Speaker 7>of because they assume, you know, undisabled people assume that

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<v Speaker 7>disabled people are automatically with the lower acuity of understanding

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<v Speaker 7>and things like that, so they insist upon trying to

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<v Speaker 7>take advantage, you know, stealing their money, their homes and everything.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm pursuing my second and third degree right now, so

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<v Speaker 6>like I'm not dumb.

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<v Speaker 7>Oh no, of course not. What degrees are you looking for?

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<v Speaker 6>I'm doing a bachelor's degree in journalism and communications and

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<v Speaker 6>media right now at this online school. But everyone like,

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<v Speaker 6>it's so weird how people think I'm so stupid. And

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<v Speaker 6>then my mother are like, oh, you're really intelligent. Was

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<v Speaker 6>I stupid before or after the thought process? Because I

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<v Speaker 6>want to know? And then my medicaids are service service coordinators,

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<v Speaker 6>Like You're always figuring things out because nobody in the

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<v Speaker 6>system has helped me. So I've had out myself every time.

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<v Speaker 6>I wish for the day that we have a community

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<v Speaker 6>of disabled people or just allies who step in and

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<v Speaker 6>stop questioning us, because I feel like disabled people are

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<v Speaker 6>constantly questioned about what they're doing with their funds, what

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<v Speaker 6>they're doing with their money, Like last like in October

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<v Speaker 6>into November, I had to pay background. I wasn't partying

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<v Speaker 6>with that money. We partyization. I like, I don't think

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<v Speaker 6>people understand disabled people are not going online asking for

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<v Speaker 6>help just to ask for help. We are actually struggling.

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<v Speaker 6>We're not getting opportunities like able body folks. And when

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<v Speaker 6>we shut up into our room, people are already sizing

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<v Speaker 6>us up. We don't have a fair fight from the beginning,

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<v Speaker 6>so we have to prove ourselves constantly and it's so

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<v Speaker 6>dreading it is.

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<v Speaker 7>And then when you have the intersectionality of you know,

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<v Speaker 7>being a person of color or a female or you know, gay,

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<v Speaker 7>things like that, queer, it just compounds that impression that

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<v Speaker 7>you know, we're not worthy or that we're less than.

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<v Speaker 7>And then on top of being disabled, it's like a

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<v Speaker 7>triple whammy.

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<v Speaker 6>True. I feel like, you know, what people don't talk

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<v Speaker 6>about is constantly waking up every day and having to

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<v Speaker 6>show up in the world and hoping that people see

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<v Speaker 6>you for you. Yeah, that is something we don't talk

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<v Speaker 6>about in disability, Like will people see me when I

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<v Speaker 6>get up today? While people look at me and respect

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<v Speaker 6>me without looking for a way to take advantage of me.

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<v Speaker 6>We don't talk about what it's like to be constantly

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<v Speaker 6>disabled and be dismissed, like the dismissal of it all,

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<v Speaker 6>and they're trying to like do things and people will

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<v Speaker 6>completely ignore you. It's not fair that we have to

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<v Speaker 6>pretend like we're okay with all this. We are not okay.

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<v Speaker 6>The disabled community is not okay with them trying to

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<v Speaker 6>make cuts to Medicaid, the recent government shut down, all

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<v Speaker 6>these things. People are using GoFundMe to pay for rent

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<v Speaker 6>and their basic needs. It is very serious, and I

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<v Speaker 6>don't think people understand that, Like nobody that is going

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<v Speaker 6>on go fundme or any of the fundraising platforms is

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<v Speaker 6>doing it because they want to. They necessarily have to. Yeah, right,

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<v Speaker 6>So when people are talking about dissing people online who

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<v Speaker 6>are fundraising or raising money, I don't think you should

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<v Speaker 6>because you could be next your one paycheck away from

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<v Speaker 6>being broke, homeless, losing your house, or not having anything.

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<v Speaker 6>I was not working for two and a half years

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<v Speaker 6>before I got my job. For a year and seven months. Again,

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<v Speaker 6>I was those people who were using go fund me

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<v Speaker 6>to raise money for rent practically every month because I

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<v Speaker 6>didn't have nowhere to go where was I about to

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<v Speaker 6>go in the pandemic, and then I had to look

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<v Speaker 6>for resources when I was sick to make sure I

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<v Speaker 6>stay kept my place. Luckily, I was in New York

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<v Speaker 6>and they had a number of resources that allowed me

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<v Speaker 6>to pay my rent months ahead and I was still

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<v Speaker 6>in rehab and they still paid it down and they

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<v Speaker 6>found a way to help me to stay in my place.

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<v Speaker 6>But it was not easy. I had to do so

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<v Speaker 6>many different applications for different stuff toesday in my place

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<v Speaker 6>I live in now, and you know, it's not easy still,

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<v Speaker 6>But I'm a better alone because I have my job

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<v Speaker 6>that has sustained me. But I also now have to

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<v Speaker 6>look for another job that pays me enough and I

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<v Speaker 6>could still be comfortable. I think I am, I would

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<v Speaker 6>say this era of my life, I'm putting the pieces together,

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<v Speaker 6>but there's days where I am in actual survival mode.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, for sure, especially when you know the wages for

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<v Speaker 7>disabled people has not risen in probably almost a century,

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<v Speaker 7>it seems, because you got to figure, we're still stuck

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<v Speaker 7>at seven five across the board, and then disabled people

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<v Speaker 7>can be paid less than that.

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<v Speaker 6>No, we definitely can. I mean, well, the job I have,

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<v Speaker 6>they do allow you to go over time sometimes, but

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<v Speaker 6>I can't always do that. Yeah, it would, it would,

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<v Speaker 6>it would. It would push some symptoms that I currently

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<v Speaker 6>having to overdrive, So I am not able to always

420
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<v Speaker 6>push myself in that direction, and not do I want to.

421
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<v Speaker 7>You shouldn't have to.

422
00:25:21.319 --> 00:25:25.079
<v Speaker 6>We don't talk about how capitalism pushes you into places

423
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<v Speaker 6>you didn't ask for, Like, yeah.

424
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<v Speaker 7>It is the bane of everyone's existence because capitalism is

425
00:25:32.839 --> 00:25:38.920
<v Speaker 7>literally squeeze and suck every drop of money and blood

426
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<v Speaker 7>out of every person until they're husks of themselves, and

427
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<v Speaker 7>then it discards them and it moves on to the

428
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<v Speaker 7>next person or group.

429
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<v Speaker 6>I agree, but I also think it's just you know,

430
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<v Speaker 6>having to deal with you know, like this year for me,

431
00:25:52.839 --> 00:25:55.799
<v Speaker 6>I had to deal with pain down my background, and

432
00:25:55.960 --> 00:25:58.799
<v Speaker 6>I also now have to deal with raising enough money

433
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<v Speaker 6>now to get someone to come in and do wom

434
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<v Speaker 6>care for me. These are things that should be priority

435
00:26:05.279 --> 00:26:10.000
<v Speaker 6>in our health care system. Healthcare is too expensive to

436
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<v Speaker 6>sustain the damage that we've caused. And then I don't

437
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<v Speaker 6>think we've really recovered from the beginning stages of COVID

438
00:26:17.759 --> 00:26:21.039
<v Speaker 6>because there are more sick people now than there have

439
00:26:21.319 --> 00:26:24.839
<v Speaker 6>ever been, and then everybody doesn't know how to manage

440
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<v Speaker 6>the amount of sick people that have come and gone

441
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<v Speaker 6>and have gotten elderly and also became sick young as well.

442
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<v Speaker 6>So we need to also discuss the effects of COVID,

443
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<v Speaker 6>the effects of chronic illness disability as we age what

444
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<v Speaker 6>does that look like for a number of people, because

445
00:26:45.799 --> 00:26:49.240
<v Speaker 6>those are conversations we are not having, and I think

446
00:26:49.720 --> 00:26:55.039
<v Speaker 6>it harms us more because we're not discussing like the

447
00:26:55.200 --> 00:26:58.799
<v Speaker 6>basic things that we need to move forward and as

448
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<v Speaker 6>a community needs to make sure that we can see

449
00:27:03.480 --> 00:27:07.799
<v Speaker 6>a future where disabled people don't have to suffer, where

450
00:27:07.880 --> 00:27:10.440
<v Speaker 6>we have the resources that we need. We don't even

451
00:27:10.519 --> 00:27:14.240
<v Speaker 6>have enough grants for us, Like the grants that are

452
00:27:14.279 --> 00:27:16.720
<v Speaker 6>out here for disabled people are far and few.

453
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<v Speaker 7>In between, assuming you can even find them.

454
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<v Speaker 6>And it's just like, where are the grants for us?

455
00:27:21.880 --> 00:27:24.839
<v Speaker 6>Where are the things that will allow us? I want

456
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<v Speaker 6>to be in a space in my creative life where

457
00:27:27.920 --> 00:27:30.400
<v Speaker 6>I'm living comfortably in my gift. I don't want to

458
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<v Speaker 6>have to keep running to go fundme or other platforms

459
00:27:34.480 --> 00:27:40.319
<v Speaker 6>the fundraise but my safety that is exhausting. I've done it,

460
00:27:40.799 --> 00:27:42.759
<v Speaker 6>and how to do it. I'm really good at it,

461
00:27:43.519 --> 00:27:45.680
<v Speaker 6>you know. I know what to say, I know how

462
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<v Speaker 6>to make the videos. I know how to make people

463
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<v Speaker 6>know that I have a situation which is currently happening.

464
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<v Speaker 6>But the fact that I have to think about all

465
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<v Speaker 6>of that and still live my life, it's crazy to me. Yeah.

466
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So you mentioned long COVID. We've talked to quite

467
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<v Speaker 1>a few people that that have had long COVID, and

468
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<v Speaker 1>it seems like the symptoms vary widely between people. What

469
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<v Speaker 1>was that experience like for you?

470
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<v Speaker 6>For me, it was hard because I had existing disabilities. Yeah,

471
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<v Speaker 6>I would imagine, so I don't I don't know how

472
00:28:19.160 --> 00:28:23.240
<v Speaker 6>the disabilities I already had showed up fully in my

473
00:28:23.480 --> 00:28:27.200
<v Speaker 6>long COVID moments. I got COVID three times in twenty

474
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<v Speaker 6>twenty one, twice because of a nurse that came to

475
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<v Speaker 6>see me for won't care, and I think a third

476
00:28:37.039 --> 00:28:38.039
<v Speaker 6>time in the hospital.

477
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<v Speaker 1>So god, yeah, right, it's like, you.

478
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<v Speaker 6>Know, it's just just you know, as you can tell,

479
00:28:48.759 --> 00:28:52.079
<v Speaker 6>the medical system has been helped for me based on

480
00:28:52.200 --> 00:28:57.599
<v Speaker 6>these stories. Yeah, you know, I will say this having it.

481
00:28:58.359 --> 00:29:01.119
<v Speaker 6>And then there was one time also too, I was

482
00:29:01.200 --> 00:29:03.920
<v Speaker 6>so sick. I developed bronchitis like I could not speak,

483
00:29:04.680 --> 00:29:08.000
<v Speaker 6>so they had to get me on like because this

484
00:29:08.319 --> 00:29:12.240
<v Speaker 6>was like I think it was before my graduation, but like,

485
00:29:12.519 --> 00:29:16.839
<v Speaker 6>I had to get on and inhaler a breathing machine

486
00:29:17.720 --> 00:29:20.880
<v Speaker 6>to get out whatever mucus was in me. That took weeks.

487
00:29:21.519 --> 00:29:24.160
<v Speaker 6>Oh my goodness, my boyfriend's trying to talk to me

488
00:29:24.160 --> 00:29:25.960
<v Speaker 6>and I could barely utter a sentence.

489
00:29:26.400 --> 00:29:26.599
<v Speaker 1>Yep.

490
00:29:26.799 --> 00:29:29.599
<v Speaker 6>My mother had to hold my hand. It was really

491
00:29:29.640 --> 00:29:31.440
<v Speaker 6>an experience I would never forget because that was the

492
00:29:31.559 --> 00:29:35.279
<v Speaker 6>first time where like my vocals were shut and everybody

493
00:29:35.359 --> 00:29:38.200
<v Speaker 6>that those who those I love to talk, so having

494
00:29:38.240 --> 00:29:39.519
<v Speaker 6>that experience was hard for me.

495
00:29:40.039 --> 00:29:44.200
<v Speaker 7>I've had bronchitis before many times, and it is awful

496
00:29:44.319 --> 00:29:47.839
<v Speaker 7>when you can't really get those sentences out or communicate

497
00:29:47.960 --> 00:29:52.240
<v Speaker 7>very well without wheezing and coughing. And I'm currently kind

498
00:29:52.319 --> 00:29:56.240
<v Speaker 7>of I'm having a like a cold or something that's

499
00:29:56.319 --> 00:30:00.960
<v Speaker 7>making my breathing my asthma act up lately. It might

500
00:30:01.039 --> 00:30:03.440
<v Speaker 7>be bronchitis. I didn't actually go to the doctor fully

501
00:30:03.519 --> 00:30:07.039
<v Speaker 7>to double check on that, but I'm on medication for it.

502
00:30:07.640 --> 00:30:11.279
<v Speaker 7>But it is hard to talk when you have bronchitis,

503
00:30:11.359 --> 00:30:14.160
<v Speaker 7>and it's constantly trying to, you know, come up with

504
00:30:14.279 --> 00:30:17.279
<v Speaker 7>your not come up with your mucus, but push up

505
00:30:17.319 --> 00:30:17.920
<v Speaker 7>your mucus.

506
00:30:18.680 --> 00:30:21.000
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I had it once. I haven't had it since.

507
00:30:21.160 --> 00:30:26.359
<v Speaker 6>But it's just like the whole experience was like, I

508
00:30:26.400 --> 00:30:29.200
<v Speaker 6>don't want to have this again. I hope it was

509
00:30:29.359 --> 00:30:32.759
<v Speaker 6>so bad. I couldn't talk. I was looking at people.

510
00:30:33.359 --> 00:30:37.519
<v Speaker 6>I was like, wait, making hand signals, just coming up

511
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<v Speaker 6>with ways to communicate because that was the first time

512
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<v Speaker 6>I really could not speak.

513
00:30:42.880 --> 00:30:45.799
<v Speaker 7>And that's where sine leg which should come in. We

514
00:30:45.880 --> 00:30:48.960
<v Speaker 7>should be taught that from you know, early ages, so

515
00:30:49.079 --> 00:30:51.960
<v Speaker 7>that we can always have so many different ways to

516
00:30:52.000 --> 00:30:55.759
<v Speaker 7>communicate in the event that we can't talk, especially as

517
00:30:55.799 --> 00:30:59.400
<v Speaker 7>disabled people, because there are times when they just can't

518
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<v Speaker 7>express them. They don't have the means to get the

519
00:31:03.319 --> 00:31:07.960
<v Speaker 7>technology that provides some a voice, and so it was

520
00:31:08.279 --> 00:31:08.599
<v Speaker 7>it was.

521
00:31:08.680 --> 00:31:11.160
<v Speaker 6>My first time where I couldn't and a big thing

522
00:31:11.240 --> 00:31:13.599
<v Speaker 6>for me. I was like, why couldn't you get me

523
00:31:13.839 --> 00:31:17.200
<v Speaker 6>like a machine where I could type out the sentences.

524
00:31:17.960 --> 00:31:21.160
<v Speaker 6>Nobody in the hospital offered me that, and then once

525
00:31:21.240 --> 00:31:23.000
<v Speaker 6>my voice got better, they were like, oh my god,

526
00:31:23.039 --> 00:31:25.400
<v Speaker 6>we're so happy to hear you. I'm like, b I

527
00:31:25.480 --> 00:31:31.319
<v Speaker 6>could talk for like two week, fuck, you know, and

528
00:31:31.400 --> 00:31:34.079
<v Speaker 6>I had to use the inhaler. I never usednn Hanler

529
00:31:34.119 --> 00:31:37.400
<v Speaker 6>a day in my life, but oh that Bronhidas took

530
00:31:37.519 --> 00:31:38.000
<v Speaker 6>me out.

531
00:31:38.160 --> 00:31:42.680
<v Speaker 7>It was yeah, from kindas is awful. I would have

532
00:31:42.799 --> 00:31:45.920
<v Speaker 7>to totally agree with you. That is like the worst,

533
00:31:46.519 --> 00:31:48.720
<v Speaker 7>especially when it's like really really bad.

534
00:31:49.799 --> 00:31:52.839
<v Speaker 6>I got it once and I said never again. Listen.

535
00:31:53.039 --> 00:31:57.200
<v Speaker 6>I just it was such a crazy experience for me,

536
00:31:57.440 --> 00:32:01.400
<v Speaker 6>and I just never you know, since that time, I've

537
00:32:01.480 --> 00:32:05.240
<v Speaker 6>been wearing layers and not trying to get sick.

538
00:32:05.920 --> 00:32:08.839
<v Speaker 7>Yes, you got to protect the chest.

539
00:32:09.680 --> 00:32:12.680
<v Speaker 6>So it's just yeah, you know, unluckily with what I

540
00:32:12.839 --> 00:32:15.240
<v Speaker 6>do because I work at the museum, which is the shed,

541
00:32:15.680 --> 00:32:19.240
<v Speaker 6>So I worked there and I'm always in front of

542
00:32:19.319 --> 00:32:23.240
<v Speaker 6>people talking, so I'm layered up a lot because I'm

543
00:32:23.279 --> 00:32:24.920
<v Speaker 6>just like, I don't want to get anything. I want

544
00:32:24.960 --> 00:32:27.960
<v Speaker 6>my mask. It's just safety for me because like I'm

545
00:32:28.119 --> 00:32:31.759
<v Speaker 6>around a lot of people constantly, so it's just like

546
00:32:31.839 --> 00:32:35.079
<v Speaker 6>a safety thing. And you know where I work where

547
00:32:35.119 --> 00:32:37.319
<v Speaker 6>because I work near the water, so it's like always

548
00:32:37.400 --> 00:32:40.079
<v Speaker 6>cold over there. So I'm like, oh my god, this

549
00:32:40.359 --> 00:32:43.039
<v Speaker 6>is not fun. But what they do have a job,

550
00:32:45.839 --> 00:32:48.799
<v Speaker 6>you know, even there, I've had like so many instances

551
00:32:48.839 --> 00:32:52.400
<v Speaker 6>that were crazy at work. It's just a lot, you know,

552
00:32:52.519 --> 00:32:56.319
<v Speaker 6>I've experienced this year. For me, I've had to learn

553
00:32:56.400 --> 00:32:58.359
<v Speaker 6>this hat like a whole lot of boundaries to help

554
00:32:58.400 --> 00:33:01.319
<v Speaker 6>people know. I was always had in boundaries, but I

555
00:33:01.359 --> 00:33:03.480
<v Speaker 6>think I've gotten worse. I think like I'm in my

556
00:33:03.640 --> 00:33:07.440
<v Speaker 6>super villain era. Like I'm just like no no no

557
00:33:07.759 --> 00:33:09.039
<v Speaker 6>no no no no no no no no no no,

558
00:33:10.240 --> 00:33:13.240
<v Speaker 6>Like that's my favorite word now. I never think thought

559
00:33:13.279 --> 00:33:15.400
<v Speaker 6>that would become my word. But it's just like people

560
00:33:15.480 --> 00:33:17.640
<v Speaker 6>have really tried me this year, and it's just like

561
00:33:17.720 --> 00:33:20.480
<v Speaker 6>I got too much going on and I want to

562
00:33:20.519 --> 00:33:24.480
<v Speaker 6>beat you up now. So at this point, you know,

563
00:33:25.079 --> 00:33:27.240
<v Speaker 6>I never thought that would be me, but it's just,

564
00:33:27.519 --> 00:33:30.079
<v Speaker 6>you know, you start to experience stuff in your life.

565
00:33:30.799 --> 00:33:32.559
<v Speaker 6>It's just like I need to beat you up today.

566
00:33:32.599 --> 00:33:37.240
<v Speaker 6>I'm going to fight you in my head. So tell me.

567
00:33:37.960 --> 00:33:41.000
<v Speaker 7>Tell me about the Beyonce video.

568
00:33:41.920 --> 00:33:46.279
<v Speaker 6>Oh that okay? I you know I was in rehab

569
00:33:46.400 --> 00:33:51.200
<v Speaker 6>when that happened. So like I uploaded a video randomly

570
00:33:51.640 --> 00:33:54.920
<v Speaker 6>that was like a few months old before I got

571
00:33:55.039 --> 00:33:58.720
<v Speaker 6>sick and I was physically better, and it went viral

572
00:33:58.799 --> 00:34:00.880
<v Speaker 6>row and it was like a the time that break

573
00:34:00.960 --> 00:34:04.519
<v Speaker 6>myself came out. Oh look I'm gonna put this dance

574
00:34:04.680 --> 00:34:07.440
<v Speaker 6>over the video. See what happened. Oh, it's gonna happen.

575
00:34:07.480 --> 00:34:10.400
<v Speaker 6>But maybe I woke up and I went viral. It

576
00:34:10.599 --> 00:34:13.280
<v Speaker 6>was very close to me. I was like, oh, I

577
00:34:13.440 --> 00:34:16.679
<v Speaker 6>have half a million views? What is this? That's somebody

578
00:34:17.199 --> 00:34:21.519
<v Speaker 6>commenting celeverything I didn't like. I didn't even know. Big

579
00:34:21.639 --> 00:34:26.239
<v Speaker 6>Freida commented on it. The people commented on it. They

580
00:34:26.360 --> 00:34:29.360
<v Speaker 6>had so many comments. I couldn't keep up with the comments.

581
00:34:31.280 --> 00:34:35.000
<v Speaker 6>Once that happened, then Parkwood reached out to me a

582
00:34:35.119 --> 00:34:38.360
<v Speaker 6>few months later, I gave them the rights that was

583
00:34:38.400 --> 00:34:42.559
<v Speaker 6>at the video. I'm gonna have put out something. Months later,

584
00:34:43.280 --> 00:34:45.000
<v Speaker 6>I waited for it to come out and the camera

585
00:34:47.119 --> 00:34:49.760
<v Speaker 6>and it was on Beyont his YouTube, which is crazy

586
00:34:50.320 --> 00:34:51.760
<v Speaker 6>that has like a million views.

587
00:34:52.960 --> 00:34:56.760
<v Speaker 1>Wow. So what about your when you were featured on

588
00:34:56.880 --> 00:34:58.679
<v Speaker 1>Good Morning America? What was that like?

589
00:34:59.119 --> 00:35:02.000
<v Speaker 6>Ah that I have a story about that one. Actually,

590
00:35:03.480 --> 00:35:06.000
<v Speaker 6>I was actually fired for my job at Macy's. I

591
00:35:06.079 --> 00:35:09.760
<v Speaker 6>went to a Manifestation event and I was like, I'm

592
00:35:09.840 --> 00:35:12.920
<v Speaker 6>tired of not being seen. I'm tired of people ignoring me.

593
00:35:13.440 --> 00:35:15.239
<v Speaker 6>And I wore the same mouth and I wore the

594
00:35:15.320 --> 00:35:20.239
<v Speaker 6>Manifestation event there and I was like, I'm gonna go

595
00:35:20.639 --> 00:35:22.519
<v Speaker 6>I don't have I don't have I know, I don't

596
00:35:22.559 --> 00:35:25.679
<v Speaker 6>have a job right now, but like, I'm going to

597
00:35:26.039 --> 00:35:31.119
<v Speaker 6>enjoy myself. I have these festival tickets. I'm going for

598
00:35:31.280 --> 00:35:34.760
<v Speaker 6>two days. It was like my last few paychecks they

599
00:35:34.840 --> 00:35:38.880
<v Speaker 6>gave me. I'm gonna have fun. And I just decided

600
00:35:39.159 --> 00:35:43.079
<v Speaker 6>I'm gonna enjoy myself and not let anything stop me

601
00:35:43.159 --> 00:35:47.079
<v Speaker 6>from living. I mean, I feel like my life has

602
00:35:47.199 --> 00:35:51.079
<v Speaker 6>shown me when I have tough times trying to have

603
00:35:51.280 --> 00:35:51.920
<v Speaker 6>fun in there.

604
00:35:53.599 --> 00:35:56.599
<v Speaker 7>Well, that's how you survived. It's having those moments of

605
00:35:57.199 --> 00:35:58.320
<v Speaker 7>like happiness and enjoy.

606
00:35:58.920 --> 00:36:01.199
<v Speaker 6>So I was like, I'm gonna dance, I'm gonna have

607
00:36:01.239 --> 00:36:03.559
<v Speaker 6>a good time. I'm gonna dress my best, I'm gonna

608
00:36:03.599 --> 00:36:06.239
<v Speaker 6>look my best because I know I just got fired,

609
00:36:06.239 --> 00:36:10.239
<v Speaker 6>but don't I look like shit. So I was like,

610
00:36:10.320 --> 00:36:13.519
<v Speaker 6>I'm gonna dress my best, I'm gonna feel my best,

611
00:36:13.840 --> 00:36:16.679
<v Speaker 6>put on the best outfit, the best niggers I could find,

612
00:36:17.079 --> 00:36:18.760
<v Speaker 6>and I just went out and had a good time.

613
00:36:19.840 --> 00:36:23.119
<v Speaker 1>Is that is that when Good Morning America saw you?

614
00:36:23.400 --> 00:36:24.639
<v Speaker 1>Or did they see it?

615
00:36:25.320 --> 00:36:27.639
<v Speaker 6>And then a friend of mine told me the video

616
00:36:27.719 --> 00:36:30.119
<v Speaker 6>went viral. I didn't know a viral A couple of

617
00:36:30.199 --> 00:36:32.119
<v Speaker 6>my friends send it to me. I had to reach

618
00:36:32.199 --> 00:36:35.639
<v Speaker 6>out to the personal posted it and I eventually like,

619
00:36:36.199 --> 00:36:40.079
<v Speaker 6>tell her it's me, and then they tagged me in it,

620
00:36:40.199 --> 00:36:41.800
<v Speaker 6>and then I was out of here. I was like,

621
00:36:42.239 --> 00:36:45.039
<v Speaker 6>once they tagged me in the post, everyone that knew

622
00:36:45.119 --> 00:36:48.960
<v Speaker 6>me in the industry and everywhere else also tagged me.

623
00:36:49.159 --> 00:36:52.360
<v Speaker 6>It was the craziest thing. I had so many mentions.

624
00:36:52.400 --> 00:36:57.280
<v Speaker 6>I got so many like likes and follows and interviews,

625
00:36:57.519 --> 00:37:02.880
<v Speaker 6>and I was on Good Morning America NBC four Me

626
00:37:03.079 --> 00:37:06.800
<v Speaker 6>was twelve in my local community. Wow. I was just

627
00:37:06.960 --> 00:37:10.800
<v Speaker 6>so shocked that, like, I went that viral. Then when

628
00:37:10.880 --> 00:37:13.599
<v Speaker 6>I did like Disabled Lives Matter, I went even more

629
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<v Speaker 6>viral because I was like the first person since like

630
00:37:16.880 --> 00:37:19.800
<v Speaker 6>to the Uman, to like do a march, and I

631
00:37:19.920 --> 00:37:21.840
<v Speaker 6>was like historic sou, I was a part of the

632
00:37:22.039 --> 00:37:22.760
<v Speaker 6>history books.

633
00:37:23.360 --> 00:37:25.599
<v Speaker 7>I was like, whoa, that's awesome.

634
00:37:27.039 --> 00:37:29.960
<v Speaker 6>A little tea. Uh you know. So I feel like

635
00:37:30.159 --> 00:37:34.639
<v Speaker 6>for me, you know, my goal right now is I'm

636
00:37:34.719 --> 00:37:37.639
<v Speaker 6>trying to build out my legacy really at this point.

637
00:37:38.079 --> 00:37:40.199
<v Speaker 1>So since you, since you mentioned it, you want to

638
00:37:40.239 --> 00:37:42.800
<v Speaker 1>tell us a little more about your Black Disabled Lives

639
00:37:42.840 --> 00:37:44.519
<v Speaker 1>Matter foundation?

640
00:37:45.360 --> 00:37:49.480
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I can. How did that start? My sister died

641
00:37:49.800 --> 00:37:54.960
<v Speaker 6>of in twenty twenty s during the pandemic. She did

642
00:37:55.039 --> 00:37:57.559
<v Speaker 6>not have COVID though, but she just died. During that time,

643
00:37:58.400 --> 00:38:03.719
<v Speaker 6>my mother had gotten long COVID symptoms. So I was

644
00:38:03.800 --> 00:38:07.039
<v Speaker 6>just like, I want to do something to honor them.

645
00:38:07.519 --> 00:38:11.119
<v Speaker 6>And like, you know, my mom to me is like

646
00:38:11.840 --> 00:38:16.480
<v Speaker 6>someone who works really hard to this day, she is

647
00:38:16.559 --> 00:38:20.679
<v Speaker 6>amazing to me in her own way. That's a longer

648
00:38:20.719 --> 00:38:23.400
<v Speaker 6>story for a different day, but it is. You know,

649
00:38:23.639 --> 00:38:26.679
<v Speaker 6>She's just amazing to me. So those two women were

650
00:38:26.719 --> 00:38:29.360
<v Speaker 6>the reason they started it. But initially I had went

651
00:38:29.440 --> 00:38:33.239
<v Speaker 6>to a protest in June twenty twenty and I talk

652
00:38:33.280 --> 00:38:35.960
<v Speaker 6>about this all the time, you know. I went and

653
00:38:36.079 --> 00:38:39.159
<v Speaker 6>it was not accessible. I didn't finish the march, and

654
00:38:39.239 --> 00:38:42.079
<v Speaker 6>I was kind of pissed about that. I experienced some

655
00:38:42.280 --> 00:38:44.639
<v Speaker 6>of it, but I didn't finish the whole march, and

656
00:38:44.920 --> 00:38:50.800
<v Speaker 6>it disappointed me. And since that, I was like, you

657
00:38:50.880 --> 00:38:54.480
<v Speaker 6>know what, I have this experience in you know, event

658
00:38:54.599 --> 00:38:58.280
<v Speaker 6>planning background. I've been in the industry, I've thrown parties,

659
00:38:58.320 --> 00:39:00.679
<v Speaker 6>I've thrown all kinds of stuff. Why don't I use

660
00:39:00.719 --> 00:39:02.360
<v Speaker 6>that experience for out here?

661
00:39:03.639 --> 00:39:08.039
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, And that's what I did, which is awesome, because yeah,

662
00:39:08.239 --> 00:39:13.480
<v Speaker 7>usually when justice is being you know, talked about, the

663
00:39:13.639 --> 00:39:17.480
<v Speaker 7>last people they ever bring up are disabled people, if

664
00:39:17.519 --> 00:39:21.360
<v Speaker 7>they even bring them up. Usually it's about you know, undisabled,

665
00:39:21.440 --> 00:39:25.679
<v Speaker 7>able bodied people, you know, doing the marches and doing

666
00:39:25.760 --> 00:39:28.599
<v Speaker 7>the boycotts and things like that, and that's great and

667
00:39:28.719 --> 00:39:31.800
<v Speaker 7>that's helpful, but you also have to include the disabled.

668
00:39:32.239 --> 00:39:33.199
<v Speaker 7>You can't leave us out.

669
00:39:33.639 --> 00:39:36.440
<v Speaker 6>And the good thing about me is like my stuff

670
00:39:36.559 --> 00:39:39.280
<v Speaker 6>is so known, it's been in museums, it's been in

671
00:39:39.400 --> 00:39:43.360
<v Speaker 6>all these different places, so I'm not gonna get erased

672
00:39:43.440 --> 00:39:47.239
<v Speaker 6>in history when they talk about me. And because I'm

673
00:39:47.280 --> 00:39:49.440
<v Speaker 6>a modern day person, you could still look me up

674
00:39:49.480 --> 00:39:53.480
<v Speaker 6>and see stuff I'm doing now. So it's it's good

675
00:39:53.880 --> 00:39:56.760
<v Speaker 6>that I've been able to speak about long COVID and

676
00:39:56.880 --> 00:40:00.800
<v Speaker 6>all these other things and disability that effect us, and

677
00:40:00.960 --> 00:40:03.639
<v Speaker 6>even some things that are personally happened to me so

678
00:40:04.000 --> 00:40:07.360
<v Speaker 6>openly online. And everyone's like, why are you so open

679
00:40:07.400 --> 00:40:12.440
<v Speaker 6>about the disabled experience, because like, nobody knows the modern

680
00:40:12.519 --> 00:40:16.360
<v Speaker 6>day disabled experiencing. They have assumptions about it, but they

681
00:40:16.440 --> 00:40:19.440
<v Speaker 6>don't know how hard it really is. Like all these

682
00:40:19.480 --> 00:40:23.199
<v Speaker 6>stories I'm telling on these podcasts is for people to know,

683
00:40:23.519 --> 00:40:26.840
<v Speaker 6>like what's going on and what may still be going

684
00:40:26.920 --> 00:40:29.639
<v Speaker 6>on even after I get old and gray and like

685
00:40:29.760 --> 00:40:33.519
<v Speaker 6>seventy five. I don't know, But like for me, I

686
00:40:33.800 --> 00:40:37.440
<v Speaker 6>just want to like let people know what each time

687
00:40:37.559 --> 00:40:41.360
<v Speaker 6>period was, like, you know, living under our current regime

688
00:40:41.639 --> 00:40:47.239
<v Speaker 6>of Orange Trump here, man, I don't know. You know,

689
00:40:47.360 --> 00:40:49.920
<v Speaker 6>it's not easy for us right now as a country.

690
00:40:50.039 --> 00:40:53.280
<v Speaker 6>It's not easy for us as a world. It's so

691
00:40:53.480 --> 00:40:56.639
<v Speaker 6>much I feel like we're forwards and backwards at the

692
00:40:56.679 --> 00:41:00.079
<v Speaker 6>same time. It's really it's a very weird time for

693
00:41:00.079 --> 00:41:02.960
<v Speaker 6>a lot of us. They have to deal with, you know,

694
00:41:03.199 --> 00:41:06.960
<v Speaker 6>what what America actually is and not what we think

695
00:41:07.039 --> 00:41:10.320
<v Speaker 6>it is. I think that's what we're all facing. I think,

696
00:41:10.880 --> 00:41:14.320
<v Speaker 6>you know, the country has to realize what we've always been,

697
00:41:14.880 --> 00:41:17.119
<v Speaker 6>and I think that's hard for most people to sit with,

698
00:41:17.800 --> 00:41:22.039
<v Speaker 6>very hard. They want to be in the same comforts

699
00:41:22.119 --> 00:41:26.000
<v Speaker 6>they've always been, and it's I think the hardest thing

700
00:41:26.119 --> 00:41:28.800
<v Speaker 6>is for people to realize how much of a bigot

701
00:41:28.840 --> 00:41:31.559
<v Speaker 6>they are, especially now that they're seeing in real time.

702
00:41:32.119 --> 00:41:37.679
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, and it's like you mentioned, it's the reason why

703
00:41:37.920 --> 00:41:39.760
<v Speaker 7>a lot of this is going on too, is that

704
00:41:39.840 --> 00:41:43.840
<v Speaker 7>there's a lot of people realizing sitting in their discomfort

705
00:41:43.960 --> 00:41:48.159
<v Speaker 7>because they thought America was different, and they're realizing that

706
00:41:49.239 --> 00:41:53.599
<v Speaker 7>they're not immune to the same horrific treatment that people,

707
00:41:54.039 --> 00:41:57.639
<v Speaker 7>especially specifically black people and burn people, have been going

708
00:41:57.719 --> 00:41:58.559
<v Speaker 7>through for centuries.

709
00:41:59.440 --> 00:42:02.639
<v Speaker 6>You know. I also think now too, just to add

710
00:42:02.679 --> 00:42:05.440
<v Speaker 6>to that, now that you know, they thought that only

711
00:42:05.519 --> 00:42:07.639
<v Speaker 6>black people were going to go through this, Now everybody's

712
00:42:07.679 --> 00:42:10.800
<v Speaker 6>going through it. So I think like they only thought

713
00:42:10.880 --> 00:42:13.000
<v Speaker 6>that black and brown and indigenous we're going to go

714
00:42:13.119 --> 00:42:16.000
<v Speaker 6>through this. Now that they see that their food stamps

715
00:42:16.039 --> 00:42:20.280
<v Speaker 6>are being cut, their services for farming is being cut,

716
00:42:20.920 --> 00:42:23.519
<v Speaker 6>things that they use for agriculture is being cut in

717
00:42:23.599 --> 00:42:26.800
<v Speaker 6>the rural areas, they're now, oh my god. I didn't

718
00:42:26.800 --> 00:42:28.840
<v Speaker 6>think it was going to be me. It was always

719
00:42:28.920 --> 00:42:33.159
<v Speaker 6>going to be everybody. When you have somebody that's almost

720
00:42:33.239 --> 00:42:37.559
<v Speaker 6>a millionaire who hangs out with billionaires in the White House,

721
00:42:38.280 --> 00:42:40.960
<v Speaker 6>he was never for you. He was for the people

722
00:42:41.079 --> 00:42:45.960
<v Speaker 6>that's in his tax bracket. I will never understand how

723
00:42:46.000 --> 00:42:51.400
<v Speaker 6>America thought, you know, but also misogyny, racism and all

724
00:42:51.440 --> 00:42:55.239
<v Speaker 6>the things. And I also think this whole idea that

725
00:42:55.800 --> 00:43:04.800
<v Speaker 6>a woman can't run for president is so like nineteen twenties. Yeah, ye, slapstick,

726
00:43:05.679 --> 00:43:07.920
<v Speaker 6>you know, trying to tell women to stay in the kitchen.

727
00:43:08.599 --> 00:43:11.360
<v Speaker 6>Women have more degrees than men now, so like we

728
00:43:11.480 --> 00:43:15.119
<v Speaker 6>need to stop you making excuses for why women can't lead.

729
00:43:15.599 --> 00:43:18.039
<v Speaker 6>They certainly can. I just think that men are so

730
00:43:18.159 --> 00:43:21.960
<v Speaker 6>insecure they don't want them to. Yes, that is true,

731
00:43:23.480 --> 00:43:27.280
<v Speaker 6>let's for real. Oh you know, I don't think that

732
00:43:27.800 --> 00:43:30.079
<v Speaker 6>women can lead, and they'll probably do a better job

733
00:43:30.159 --> 00:43:33.599
<v Speaker 6>than any man. But again, I agree, you just don't

734
00:43:33.639 --> 00:43:36.760
<v Speaker 6>give them a chance because you're insecuring, you're jealous, yes

735
00:43:37.599 --> 00:43:38.239
<v Speaker 6>and both.

736
00:43:38.320 --> 00:43:41.039
<v Speaker 7>I mean that's what racism is too, is jealousy and

737
00:43:41.440 --> 00:43:45.199
<v Speaker 7>horrible jealousy of like things that we've been able to

738
00:43:45.320 --> 00:43:49.320
<v Speaker 7>do that without the privilege of you know, the benefit

739
00:43:49.360 --> 00:43:53.119
<v Speaker 7>of the doubt of our skin color and things like that. True,

740
00:43:53.559 --> 00:43:59.760
<v Speaker 7>and you know, the jealousy of we don't become lobsters normally,

741
00:44:00.000 --> 00:44:01.679
<v Speaker 7>you know, some of us do. Some of us do,

742
00:44:01.840 --> 00:44:03.599
<v Speaker 7>but for the most part, a lot of us don't

743
00:44:03.599 --> 00:44:06.559
<v Speaker 7>become lobsters just going out to check the mail. And

744
00:44:07.079 --> 00:44:09.760
<v Speaker 7>we have naturally curly hair, and you know, all of

745
00:44:09.800 --> 00:44:13.480
<v Speaker 7>these different things that we have in features. Like when

746
00:44:13.519 --> 00:44:16.920
<v Speaker 7>you look at the history of how they would present

747
00:44:17.079 --> 00:44:20.599
<v Speaker 7>black women and black men, and it's like you were

748
00:44:20.679 --> 00:44:23.519
<v Speaker 7>jealous because you didn't have an ass in boobs and

749
00:44:24.079 --> 00:44:26.360
<v Speaker 7>you know all that stuff. So you tortured these people

750
00:44:27.000 --> 00:44:29.079
<v Speaker 7>because you couldn't have what they had.

751
00:44:30.000 --> 00:44:33.199
<v Speaker 6>And then now you're seeing people are trying to become

752
00:44:33.360 --> 00:44:36.920
<v Speaker 6>us with cosmetic surgery. So it's just like, yeah, do

753
00:44:37.039 --> 00:44:39.920
<v Speaker 6>you hate us or not? Because then they hate us,

754
00:44:40.280 --> 00:44:43.000
<v Speaker 6>but then they're starting to look like us. I will

755
00:44:43.199 --> 00:44:46.679
<v Speaker 6>never understand how somebody that hates me trying to look

756
00:44:46.800 --> 00:44:47.039
<v Speaker 6>like me.

757
00:44:47.440 --> 00:44:51.440
<v Speaker 7>It's because of jealousy, and the jealousy is so rampant

758
00:44:52.199 --> 00:44:53.840
<v Speaker 7>that it's irrational.

759
00:44:54.599 --> 00:44:57.320
<v Speaker 6>I agree. I think it's just you know, when I

760
00:44:57.440 --> 00:45:00.159
<v Speaker 6>look at history, it's just it's just it's it's so

761
00:45:00.400 --> 00:45:03.119
<v Speaker 6>sad that we are backwards and forwards at the same

762
00:45:03.239 --> 00:45:07.440
<v Speaker 6>time as progress has been made this cycle with all

763
00:45:07.559 --> 00:45:11.039
<v Speaker 6>of the Democrats that have stepped in and done their thing,

764
00:45:11.280 --> 00:45:14.199
<v Speaker 6>but it's just like we're also backwards. And someone in

765
00:45:14.320 --> 00:45:17.440
<v Speaker 6>the Supreme Court and how they're thinking and how they

766
00:45:17.519 --> 00:45:20.679
<v Speaker 6>want to expand the core of more control over stuff,

767
00:45:21.360 --> 00:45:24.840
<v Speaker 6>which I think is very dangerous. So I am I

768
00:45:24.960 --> 00:45:28.079
<v Speaker 6>am very concerned as to what America will look like

769
00:45:28.199 --> 00:45:30.880
<v Speaker 6>in the next three years because we have so many

770
00:45:30.960 --> 00:45:34.000
<v Speaker 6>different things going on that's not really American right now,

771
00:45:34.159 --> 00:45:36.039
<v Speaker 6>we have to like sit through it to see what

772
00:45:36.840 --> 00:45:40.679
<v Speaker 6>who will survive? This feels like the Hunger Games on steroids.

773
00:45:41.519 --> 00:45:46.480
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, it is scary good. You know, this is always

774
00:45:46.760 --> 00:45:50.519
<v Speaker 7>how America has been. It's just now it's visible to

775
00:45:50.639 --> 00:45:55.719
<v Speaker 7>everyone else as opposed to just the minorities, and so

776
00:45:56.159 --> 00:45:59.000
<v Speaker 7>you know, everybody else is kind of panicking. But the

777
00:45:59.119 --> 00:46:03.000
<v Speaker 7>thing is is that you everybody says that you have

778
00:46:03.119 --> 00:46:05.039
<v Speaker 7>to listen to the black women because they're the one

779
00:46:05.159 --> 00:46:08.880
<v Speaker 7>they're the least of all of us, me included because.

780
00:46:08.679 --> 00:46:12.559
<v Speaker 6>I am probably black, but black women have always been

781
00:46:12.599 --> 00:46:13.800
<v Speaker 6>ahead of the curve.

782
00:46:14.000 --> 00:46:14.519
<v Speaker 1>Yep, yep.

783
00:46:15.159 --> 00:46:16.960
<v Speaker 6>I just think that people don't want to listen to

784
00:46:17.000 --> 00:46:20.320
<v Speaker 6>you because you're a woman, and of course so much

785
00:46:20.440 --> 00:46:23.360
<v Speaker 6>misogyny I play here, which is the worst thing in

786
00:46:23.400 --> 00:46:27.400
<v Speaker 6>the world, you know, you know. And I also think

787
00:46:27.519 --> 00:46:30.679
<v Speaker 6>that like we got to give black women their things.

788
00:46:30.760 --> 00:46:33.519
<v Speaker 6>I think it's just it's the way that they disrespect

789
00:46:33.559 --> 00:46:37.440
<v Speaker 6>the elderly, to disabled and black women on a consistent basis,

790
00:46:37.920 --> 00:46:42.400
<v Speaker 6>like we're not people is beyond me. And even in

791
00:46:42.519 --> 00:46:46.519
<v Speaker 6>our queer community, there's such a separation of who gets

792
00:46:46.639 --> 00:46:51.960
<v Speaker 6>visibility and who doesn't, and attractiveness. Lord, we can go

793
00:46:52.079 --> 00:46:56.400
<v Speaker 6>into that for the entire day. Who's hot, who's not,

794
00:46:57.159 --> 00:47:00.480
<v Speaker 6>who's worthy of desire? It is such a I feel

795
00:47:00.519 --> 00:47:02.480
<v Speaker 6>like being gay as like a hierarchy.

796
00:47:03.199 --> 00:47:07.800
<v Speaker 7>It is everything is a hierarchy, you know, and it's

797
00:47:07.800 --> 00:47:11.679
<v Speaker 7>annoying and it's frustrating, and it makes me want to

798
00:47:11.719 --> 00:47:13.800
<v Speaker 7>shake the shit out of a lot of people because

799
00:47:14.480 --> 00:47:18.000
<v Speaker 7>us worrying about you know, the hierarchy within the queer

800
00:47:18.079 --> 00:47:22.280
<v Speaker 7>community or within the disabled community doesn't help us. It

801
00:47:22.360 --> 00:47:26.199
<v Speaker 7>doesn't get us the car spots that we need. It

802
00:47:26.239 --> 00:47:31.840
<v Speaker 7>doesn't get us the right care and resources that we

803
00:47:32.000 --> 00:47:35.159
<v Speaker 7>need from whether it's you know, nurses and doctors or

804
00:47:35.960 --> 00:47:39.480
<v Speaker 7>just the government period. Because we're so busy fighting each

805
00:47:39.519 --> 00:47:42.159
<v Speaker 7>other about well, who's hot or who's not, or who's

806
00:47:42.159 --> 00:47:43.400
<v Speaker 7>allowed to be and who's not.

807
00:47:43.960 --> 00:47:46.519
<v Speaker 6>And then for me as a queer person, I'm always like,

808
00:47:47.320 --> 00:47:49.480
<v Speaker 6>you know, I'm always you know, you know, And I'm

809
00:47:49.519 --> 00:47:51.440
<v Speaker 6>going to be very honest. When I was in the hospital,

810
00:47:51.519 --> 00:47:54.000
<v Speaker 6>had my white gay friends come up there and they

811
00:47:54.639 --> 00:47:57.119
<v Speaker 6>were listening, you know, when they advocated for me. Oh,

812
00:47:57.119 --> 00:48:01.000
<v Speaker 6>they were listened to, they said, or somebody that was

813
00:48:01.039 --> 00:48:03.400
<v Speaker 6>of a lighter you they said, you know, they sat

814
00:48:03.480 --> 00:48:05.960
<v Speaker 6>down and they listen, and I was like my mom,

815
00:48:06.039 --> 00:48:09.280
<v Speaker 6>who's more on the dark complexion, and like myself, it

816
00:48:09.519 --> 00:48:12.400
<v Speaker 6>was like I was screaming into avoid it. But when

817
00:48:12.480 --> 00:48:15.679
<v Speaker 6>my white friends came up there, oh my god, they

818
00:48:15.840 --> 00:48:19.119
<v Speaker 6>pulled the chair out, they listened. Yeah. It was such

819
00:48:19.159 --> 00:48:21.480
<v Speaker 6>a shock to me because I'm like, why do you

820
00:48:21.599 --> 00:48:23.480
<v Speaker 6>listen to me? But you're listening to them as they

821
00:48:23.559 --> 00:48:25.400
<v Speaker 6>have Okay for me, well, I told you the same

822
00:48:25.480 --> 00:48:28.920
<v Speaker 6>thing that they're just telling you over again. Because they're

823
00:48:29.079 --> 00:48:31.920
<v Speaker 6>lighter skinned or they're white, you're listening.

824
00:48:32.000 --> 00:48:36.199
<v Speaker 7>And it was just like yes, And that's why we

825
00:48:36.320 --> 00:48:40.440
<v Speaker 7>need men, all men to speak and raise up women,

826
00:48:41.000 --> 00:48:43.599
<v Speaker 7>because people will listen to men first before they'll ever

827
00:48:43.679 --> 00:48:44.239
<v Speaker 7>listen to women.

828
00:48:44.519 --> 00:48:46.559
<v Speaker 1>There's a big difference. When I go with Dora to

829
00:48:46.639 --> 00:48:49.599
<v Speaker 1>a doctor appointment. I can tell that the doctors listen

830
00:48:49.719 --> 00:48:53.719
<v Speaker 1>more and are more care more or whatever, more attentive

831
00:48:54.159 --> 00:48:56.079
<v Speaker 1>when I'm there than she tells me.

832
00:48:57.480 --> 00:49:00.360
<v Speaker 6>I mean, I mean, it's you know, I what toed

833
00:49:00.360 --> 00:49:03.159
<v Speaker 6>sta with my friend, my two white friends who went

834
00:49:03.239 --> 00:49:06.360
<v Speaker 6>with me to the appointments, or like we're with me

835
00:49:06.639 --> 00:49:10.119
<v Speaker 6>in the emergency room, we're with me. Everything got done

836
00:49:10.199 --> 00:49:12.440
<v Speaker 6>so fast. I was completely shocked.

837
00:49:12.880 --> 00:49:17.280
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, But like I was saying, though, you know, we

838
00:49:17.400 --> 00:49:20.159
<v Speaker 7>need men to speak up for women, and we need

839
00:49:20.320 --> 00:49:22.679
<v Speaker 7>white people to speak up for black people. We need

840
00:49:23.280 --> 00:49:26.199
<v Speaker 7>lighter skin black people speaking up for you know, our

841
00:49:26.480 --> 00:49:32.239
<v Speaker 7>darker complexioned black people used the hierarchy that has been

842
00:49:32.320 --> 00:49:35.599
<v Speaker 7>built to benefit us instead of against us.

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<v Speaker 6>So you know, I agree with you completely for that.

844
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<v Speaker 6>I think it's just when you think of just the overarching.

845
00:49:44.280 --> 00:49:47.320
<v Speaker 8>Even having to think of that strategy when I was

846
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<v Speaker 8>in the hospital, like getting a white person to come

847
00:49:50.119 --> 00:49:52.880
<v Speaker 8>or a lighter skin complex and person to come versus

848
00:49:52.960 --> 00:49:57.760
<v Speaker 8>a dark skinned person, That logic is a psychologically crazy

849
00:49:58.119 --> 00:50:01.079
<v Speaker 8>think about when you're sick. These are the things I

850
00:50:01.199 --> 00:50:03.119
<v Speaker 8>had to jump through when I was sick with a

851
00:50:03.199 --> 00:50:06.000
<v Speaker 8>chronic illness because they were certainly not listening to me

852
00:50:06.119 --> 00:50:09.039
<v Speaker 8>with my with with my mom there all the.

853
00:50:09.079 --> 00:50:11.800
<v Speaker 6>Time, but they were listening to me when my friend

854
00:50:11.920 --> 00:50:17.199
<v Speaker 6>Adam was there, who is white as snow like this,

855
00:50:17.760 --> 00:50:20.280
<v Speaker 6>and my friend Nicholas was there, who's Italian and he's

856
00:50:20.400 --> 00:50:24.159
<v Speaker 6>very loud. But you know, I just you know, I

857
00:50:24.599 --> 00:50:31.079
<v Speaker 6>saw the difference, like like whoa they were what it

858
00:50:31.320 --> 00:50:35.079
<v Speaker 6>was like insane to see in real time.

859
00:50:35.639 --> 00:50:38.719
<v Speaker 7>It is and it's heartbreaking to see in real time,

860
00:50:39.079 --> 00:50:41.920
<v Speaker 7>and it pisses me off all the more because you know,

861
00:50:42.159 --> 00:50:46.199
<v Speaker 7>we could be such a great nation if we actually

862
00:50:46.480 --> 00:50:50.800
<v Speaker 7>listened to people instead of needing a white man to

863
00:50:50.960 --> 00:50:55.519
<v Speaker 7>stand in and talk for everybody. It's just it's ridiculous.

864
00:50:55.719 --> 00:50:58.360
<v Speaker 7>I mean, imagine, sorry, go ahead.

865
00:50:58.360 --> 00:51:02.199
<v Speaker 6>And also too with you know, knowing as a black

866
00:51:02.280 --> 00:51:05.519
<v Speaker 6>person that you need another group or race to stand

867
00:51:05.599 --> 00:51:09.599
<v Speaker 6>in for you when nobody else wants to listen makes

868
00:51:09.679 --> 00:51:14.199
<v Speaker 6>it seem like I don't matter anyway, right.

869
00:51:14.880 --> 00:51:18.519
<v Speaker 7>And that's why I say it's heartbreaking, because we do matter.

870
00:51:18.719 --> 00:51:22.400
<v Speaker 7>We matter just as much as everyone else. But because

871
00:51:22.960 --> 00:51:26.360
<v Speaker 7>we had the nerve to be born brown or black,

872
00:51:27.679 --> 00:51:32.119
<v Speaker 7>then we don't get listened to. And honestly, when you

873
00:51:32.639 --> 00:51:36.119
<v Speaker 7>for instance, the environment, a lot of things could have

874
00:51:36.280 --> 00:51:40.119
<v Speaker 7>been mitigated for the environment, if you know, speaking of

875
00:51:40.679 --> 00:51:43.400
<v Speaker 7>the dust bowl that happened if people had listened to

876
00:51:43.440 --> 00:51:44.360
<v Speaker 7>the indigenous people.

877
00:51:45.280 --> 00:51:48.400
<v Speaker 6>That's very true. I agree with that that whole.

878
00:51:48.320 --> 00:51:51.519
<v Speaker 7>Dust bowl situation in the thirties could have been avoided

879
00:51:51.719 --> 00:51:55.400
<v Speaker 7>if they listened to indigenous people. And you know, it's

880
00:51:55.480 --> 00:51:59.079
<v Speaker 7>just it's frustrating when you see all these patterns happening

881
00:51:59.639 --> 00:52:05.480
<v Speaker 7>and nobody wants to listen because you're not a white cistette.

882
00:52:05.719 --> 00:52:10.920
<v Speaker 6>You know, man true, and even you know not to

883
00:52:11.199 --> 00:52:14.480
<v Speaker 6>be you know, I would even say, like, not every

884
00:52:14.719 --> 00:52:16.559
<v Speaker 6>white you know. And I also think there's this thing

885
00:52:16.639 --> 00:52:19.559
<v Speaker 6>about when white man lead things are better. That's not

886
00:52:19.599 --> 00:52:20.239
<v Speaker 6>always a case.

887
00:52:20.360 --> 00:52:24.519
<v Speaker 7>Oh no, look at what we have right now. There's

888
00:52:24.599 --> 00:52:27.760
<v Speaker 7>a bunch of white men in charge right now. And

889
00:52:28.320 --> 00:52:34.559
<v Speaker 7>you know, Tangerine Tango Group has totally decimated everything that

890
00:52:34.719 --> 00:52:39.000
<v Speaker 7>Biden did. We're up to like over one point five

891
00:52:39.360 --> 00:52:43.760
<v Speaker 7>one point nine million layoffs the biggest sense I think

892
00:52:43.800 --> 00:52:47.199
<v Speaker 7>it was like twenty twenty three or twenty twenty something

893
00:52:47.239 --> 00:52:47.400
<v Speaker 7>like that.

894
00:52:48.599 --> 00:52:51.280
<v Speaker 6>And we have to also think about how many jobs

895
00:52:51.320 --> 00:52:54.400
<v Speaker 6>have been lost because of this man. Yeah, where are

896
00:52:54.480 --> 00:52:56.920
<v Speaker 6>the jobs? What jobs? Yeah?

897
00:52:57.000 --> 00:52:58.840
<v Speaker 7>I mean, like I was saying, you know, one point

898
00:52:58.920 --> 00:53:01.960
<v Speaker 7>nine million people were laid off. That's a lot of

899
00:53:02.039 --> 00:53:02.920
<v Speaker 7>people to lay off.

900
00:53:04.280 --> 00:53:06.679
<v Speaker 6>No, and then there's some people that I know, somebody

901
00:53:06.800 --> 00:53:11.280
<v Speaker 6>right now that's working three jobs to sustain Yeah, we

902
00:53:11.400 --> 00:53:12.320
<v Speaker 6>should not be like that.

903
00:53:12.960 --> 00:53:16.519
<v Speaker 7>Under no circumstances should anybody in any country have to

904
00:53:16.599 --> 00:53:19.960
<v Speaker 7>work three freaking jobs in order to make ends meet.

905
00:53:20.719 --> 00:53:24.719
<v Speaker 7>You know, they, especially here, they talk about how they

906
00:53:24.840 --> 00:53:29.079
<v Speaker 7>need more babies born, but yet they keep removing the care.

907
00:53:29.559 --> 00:53:32.199
<v Speaker 7>They don't want to talk about universal paid leave, they

908
00:53:32.239 --> 00:53:35.159
<v Speaker 7>don't want to talk about universal daycare, they don't want

909
00:53:35.199 --> 00:53:39.039
<v Speaker 7>to talk about universal healthcare at least for women for

910
00:53:39.239 --> 00:53:43.280
<v Speaker 7>you know, through their pregnancy and postpartum. They don't want

911
00:53:43.320 --> 00:53:46.039
<v Speaker 7>to do any of that shit. And so it's just like, well,

912
00:53:46.480 --> 00:53:48.920
<v Speaker 7>you're not going to have your babies. Nobody can afford

913
00:53:48.960 --> 00:53:51.960
<v Speaker 7>a damn house. They can't afford a car, they can't afford,

914
00:53:52.400 --> 00:53:56.119
<v Speaker 7>you know, to have children if they're working for jobs

915
00:53:56.119 --> 00:53:56.400
<v Speaker 7>a day.

916
00:53:56.800 --> 00:54:00.760
<v Speaker 6>People can barely afford rent. Listen. Yeah, Like the fact

917
00:54:00.800 --> 00:54:02.400
<v Speaker 6>that I even have to make it go fund me

918
00:54:02.559 --> 00:54:07.360
<v Speaker 6>to pay my rent is acerni. Yeah. And the fact

919
00:54:07.400 --> 00:54:08.920
<v Speaker 6>that I still have to make it go fund me

920
00:54:09.000 --> 00:54:13.039
<v Speaker 6>to get proper private wom care because they're only covering

921
00:54:13.119 --> 00:54:18.000
<v Speaker 6>me for three days is also. Yes, that's awful and

922
00:54:18.079 --> 00:54:22.400
<v Speaker 6>it is awful, and like like gunshots to the Medicaid

923
00:54:22.440 --> 00:54:25.599
<v Speaker 6>and Medicare system. No one should have to be doing

924
00:54:25.840 --> 00:54:29.519
<v Speaker 6>more than they have to to get care. And you know,

925
00:54:30.159 --> 00:54:34.239
<v Speaker 6>it seems like the older I get the worst insurance

926
00:54:34.360 --> 00:54:37.679
<v Speaker 6>gets and it's insane to think that, and it is.

927
00:54:37.920 --> 00:54:41.519
<v Speaker 7>It is because like in the seventies, all insurance companies

928
00:54:41.599 --> 00:54:47.239
<v Speaker 7>used to be nonprofit. But Reagan, he did so much

929
00:54:47.320 --> 00:54:51.760
<v Speaker 7>good for us as sarcasm, So Reagan came in and

930
00:54:51.920 --> 00:54:56.840
<v Speaker 7>decided and told them, you know, well black people benefit

931
00:54:56.920 --> 00:54:59.320
<v Speaker 7>from this too, and they're like, oh no, we can't

932
00:54:59.400 --> 00:55:03.840
<v Speaker 7>have that, and so they started becoming for profits. And

933
00:55:04.079 --> 00:55:09.039
<v Speaker 7>you know, it's ridiculous that as a country, we could

934
00:55:09.119 --> 00:55:13.239
<v Speaker 7>have had so fucking much. When you look at the

935
00:55:13.440 --> 00:55:16.719
<v Speaker 7>railways in Japan at how clean it is, or you know,

936
00:55:16.800 --> 00:55:21.239
<v Speaker 7>the universal healthcare system that the majority of all industrialized

937
00:55:21.320 --> 00:55:25.800
<v Speaker 7>nations have. We could have had that, but no, because

938
00:55:25.880 --> 00:55:28.320
<v Speaker 7>we have to shove our heads so far up our

939
00:55:28.320 --> 00:55:33.440
<v Speaker 7>own asses, because God forbid brown, black and indigenous people

940
00:55:34.159 --> 00:55:38.920
<v Speaker 7>be able to breathe clean air. You've just it's literally shooting,

941
00:55:39.159 --> 00:55:41.760
<v Speaker 7>taking off your own foot and then complaining you have

942
00:55:41.880 --> 00:55:43.719
<v Speaker 7>no shoe for that foot that's no longer there.

943
00:55:45.000 --> 00:55:49.199
<v Speaker 6>True, but I would even add that, like, you know,

944
00:55:49.440 --> 00:55:53.800
<v Speaker 6>for people that are not marginalized, they got to kick

945
00:55:53.840 --> 00:55:55.760
<v Speaker 6>out of the suffering of others, and I just I

946
00:55:55.800 --> 00:55:56.760
<v Speaker 6>don't think that's fair.

947
00:55:57.519 --> 00:56:00.159
<v Speaker 7>But the thing is is that they're suffering just is

948
00:56:00.239 --> 00:56:05.039
<v Speaker 7>not much, is not more because you know, for centuries,

949
00:56:05.519 --> 00:56:09.840
<v Speaker 7>they've tried to keep minorities down. And what has happened

950
00:56:10.239 --> 00:56:15.000
<v Speaker 7>throughout every damn time, every minority has managed to find

951
00:56:15.000 --> 00:56:18.480
<v Speaker 7>a way around those loopholes, around those you know, you

952
00:56:18.599 --> 00:56:21.599
<v Speaker 7>can't do this and can't do that. They've created their

953
00:56:21.639 --> 00:56:25.519
<v Speaker 7>own wall streets, they created their own money. They were millionaires,

954
00:56:25.559 --> 00:56:27.920
<v Speaker 7>they were billionaires long before a lot of white people were.

955
00:56:28.280 --> 00:56:30.760
<v Speaker 7>They were performing surgeries that white people were like, Oh,

956
00:56:30.800 --> 00:56:34.760
<v Speaker 7>it's so barbaric, and you know, that saved people. And

957
00:56:34.960 --> 00:56:39.559
<v Speaker 7>yet the reason why you know, Tulsa, Oklahoma, not Tulsa,

958
00:56:39.639 --> 00:56:42.960
<v Speaker 7>the Tulsa massacre in Oklahoma happened was because they were

959
00:56:43.159 --> 00:56:46.440
<v Speaker 7>mediocre white men jealous of the fact that they couldn't,

960
00:56:47.159 --> 00:56:50.079
<v Speaker 7>you know, pull up, pull themselves up off their bootstraps

961
00:56:50.119 --> 00:56:53.880
<v Speaker 7>with their bootstraps and do the work. They wanted us

962
00:56:53.960 --> 00:56:55.960
<v Speaker 7>to do it for them, and they were pissed that

963
00:56:56.119 --> 00:56:58.039
<v Speaker 7>not only did we do it for them, but we

964
00:56:58.199 --> 00:57:01.400
<v Speaker 7>did it better for ourselves too. And that's what the

965
00:57:01.480 --> 00:57:05.599
<v Speaker 7>whole damn thing is is they're fucking pissed that black

966
00:57:05.679 --> 00:57:10.000
<v Speaker 7>people and Native American, indigenous people and Asians and all

967
00:57:10.039 --> 00:57:12.599
<v Speaker 7>that shit can do just as much as they can.

968
00:57:13.039 --> 00:57:15.280
<v Speaker 7>And you know what, if they put the fucking effort

969
00:57:15.400 --> 00:57:18.679
<v Speaker 7>in it, they would be so much further ahead. But no,

970
00:57:19.320 --> 00:57:20.199
<v Speaker 7>they have to hate us.

971
00:57:20.760 --> 00:57:24.440
<v Speaker 6>But again, all colonials have ever done with steel, So like,

972
00:57:24.519 --> 00:57:26.559
<v Speaker 6>are we surprised, No, we're not.

973
00:57:27.199 --> 00:57:28.480
<v Speaker 7>No, it's not really surprising.

974
00:57:29.199 --> 00:57:32.719
<v Speaker 6>That's all they've ever done. They've stolen so much and

975
00:57:32.960 --> 00:57:36.119
<v Speaker 6>claim it as their own, so life, I'm not. You know,

976
00:57:36.719 --> 00:57:40.719
<v Speaker 6>what is surprising is the amount of conservatives that they are.

977
00:57:40.800 --> 00:57:43.519
<v Speaker 6>I didn't know. There's a lot of conservatives hiding and

978
00:57:43.559 --> 00:57:48.159
<v Speaker 6>play in sight and it's really ugly to see, like

979
00:57:48.400 --> 00:57:52.400
<v Speaker 6>just how people think, the way that people have bent

980
00:57:52.639 --> 00:57:57.679
<v Speaker 6>over backwards for Donald Trump. I don't know how it happened.

981
00:57:58.079 --> 00:58:01.480
<v Speaker 6>I don't know when it happened. It's almost like they

982
00:58:01.559 --> 00:58:04.719
<v Speaker 6>want to make it seem like, Okay, if they've bend

983
00:58:04.800 --> 00:58:07.400
<v Speaker 6>over for him, they're going to get something out of it.

984
00:58:07.440 --> 00:58:10.039
<v Speaker 7>And it's just like, no, No, the only thing that

985
00:58:10.079 --> 00:58:11.679
<v Speaker 7>they're going to get is a carrot of the a

986
00:58:11.800 --> 00:58:14.280
<v Speaker 7>s because we all know that Trump doesn't have a

987
00:58:14.320 --> 00:58:16.800
<v Speaker 7>big one, so you know, it would be like a

988
00:58:16.880 --> 00:58:19.960
<v Speaker 7>nub smacking you in the butt, and that's all there,

989
00:58:20.000 --> 00:58:22.519
<v Speaker 7>all of them are going to get. And the thing

990
00:58:22.639 --> 00:58:24.840
<v Speaker 7>is is that What they also need to realize is

991
00:58:24.880 --> 00:58:27.199
<v Speaker 7>that at the end of this regime, and it will end,

992
00:58:27.280 --> 00:58:31.519
<v Speaker 7>because all regimes end, is that they're going to be

993
00:58:32.159 --> 00:58:36.840
<v Speaker 7>more than likely in jail for the ship that they're pulling,

994
00:58:37.400 --> 00:58:39.840
<v Speaker 7>and he's probably going to be, you know, sitting sipping

995
00:58:39.920 --> 00:58:43.559
<v Speaker 7>Margarita's somewhere, having thrown all of them under the bus.

996
00:58:45.480 --> 00:58:47.880
<v Speaker 6>Like his last administration, they all went to jail.

997
00:58:49.199 --> 00:58:53.639
<v Speaker 1>We're running out of time, unfortunately. Do you want to

998
00:58:53.719 --> 00:58:56.000
<v Speaker 1>let people know where they can find you find.

999
00:58:56.000 --> 00:59:02.239
<v Speaker 6>What you do? Oh? Yeah, okay, conversation really good time. Yes,

1000
00:59:02.320 --> 00:59:07.280
<v Speaker 6>we did my topics. So you can find me on

1001
00:59:07.559 --> 00:59:11.960
<v Speaker 6>my instagram at GERMANE. Grieves, where you can find my fundraisers.

1002
00:59:12.000 --> 00:59:15.159
<v Speaker 6>I'm currently doing with is a fundraiser to raise eight

1003
00:59:15.280 --> 00:59:18.760
<v Speaker 6>thousand dollars for wom Care. That is on my Instagram.

1004
00:59:19.000 --> 00:59:22.000
<v Speaker 6>You can also find me on Black Disabled Lives Matter.

1005
00:59:22.519 --> 00:59:26.599
<v Speaker 6>I also have a website which is www dot Germanegrieves

1006
00:59:26.920 --> 00:59:31.440
<v Speaker 6>dot com. Also right now, my short film is taking

1007
00:59:31.559 --> 00:59:35.559
<v Speaker 6>bookings to be shown virtually and in person all over

1008
00:59:35.679 --> 00:59:41.199
<v Speaker 6>the country and internationally. Also that is you, That's why

1009
00:59:41.280 --> 00:59:44.159
<v Speaker 6>to find me. I also have an email Germane at

1010
00:59:44.280 --> 00:59:50.159
<v Speaker 6>germanegrieves dot com to send me your inqurees there. Yeah,

1011
00:59:50.440 --> 00:59:54.119
<v Speaker 6>so you know right now. Then the fundraiser for my

1012
00:59:54.480 --> 00:59:57.400
<v Speaker 6>short film which is also on my Instagram, trying to

1013
00:59:57.480 --> 01:00:01.519
<v Speaker 6>raise twenty thousand dollars to fundraise is for my project

1014
01:00:01.639 --> 01:00:03.880
<v Speaker 6>and get it in front of some platforms so we

1015
01:00:03.960 --> 01:00:07.719
<v Speaker 6>can win some awards and maybe get an Oscar or Grammy.

1016
01:00:07.920 --> 01:00:08.480
<v Speaker 6>I don't know.

1017
01:00:08.800 --> 01:00:09.559
<v Speaker 7>That would be awesome.

1018
01:00:11.639 --> 01:00:13.960
<v Speaker 6>So that's all working on right now, and as well

1019
01:00:14.000 --> 01:00:17.679
<v Speaker 6>as my Wolm Care with eight thousand dollars months so

1020
01:00:17.840 --> 01:00:20.079
<v Speaker 6>that my wolves can heal and get better. They are

1021
01:00:20.159 --> 01:00:23.199
<v Speaker 6>getting better, but this little infection set it back a

1022
01:00:23.280 --> 01:00:26.519
<v Speaker 6>little bit, but I want to really hunker down and

1023
01:00:26.719 --> 01:00:28.960
<v Speaker 6>focus and try to get a nurse to come in

1024
01:00:29.079 --> 01:00:32.119
<v Speaker 6>and help me. And everybody that's listening to me on

1025
01:00:32.239 --> 01:00:35.159
<v Speaker 6>this podcast. No, I'm not using the money to go

1026
01:00:35.239 --> 01:00:39.079
<v Speaker 6>on a vacation. I have fun. I'm literally trying to

1027
01:00:39.119 --> 01:00:41.519
<v Speaker 6>take care of myself so I can really take care

1028
01:00:41.559 --> 01:00:42.119
<v Speaker 6>of myself.

1029
01:00:42.199 --> 01:00:48.119
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, awesome, you welcome, and the best of luck

1030
01:00:48.159 --> 01:00:50.400
<v Speaker 1>to you with all of your future endeavors and keep

1031
01:00:50.440 --> 01:00:50.800
<v Speaker 1>in touch.

1032
01:00:50.920 --> 01:00:54.800
<v Speaker 7>Let us know it and everybody definitely check him out.

1033
01:00:54.920 --> 01:00:57.320
<v Speaker 1>He is awesome and when you win an Oscar, come

1034
01:00:57.360 --> 01:00:59.800
<v Speaker 1>on back, Yes, I will come on.

1035
01:01:00.159 --> 01:01:01.800
<v Speaker 6>When I went an award that's major.

1036
01:01:02.000 --> 01:01:04.599
<v Speaker 7>I'll be back here, definitely be back here because I

1037
01:01:04.719 --> 01:01:07.159
<v Speaker 7>want to hear about you know, all of the stars

1038
01:01:07.280 --> 01:01:09.639
<v Speaker 7>and the juicy tidbits and all that stuff too.

1039
01:01:10.320 --> 01:01:14.519
<v Speaker 6>And the film. Yes, you know, I will say the

1040
01:01:14.599 --> 01:01:17.360
<v Speaker 6>film thing. It's not as easy as it looks going

1041
01:01:17.559 --> 01:01:20.320
<v Speaker 6>from in front of people that believe in it and

1042
01:01:20.400 --> 01:01:22.480
<v Speaker 6>want to invest in it. It's very hard.

1043
01:01:22.679 --> 01:01:27.599
<v Speaker 7>Yes, it's definitely possible, and it's you know, it's a

1044
01:01:27.639 --> 01:01:29.920
<v Speaker 7>lot of hard work. And I commend you from that

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<v Speaker 7>because again that's a lot of hard work to not

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<v Speaker 7>only film it, but you know, have to worry about

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<v Speaker 7>editing it, getting it or getting it edited and then

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<v Speaker 7>distributed so that people can see it. How awesome it is.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I mean, I just believe in myself, so I'm

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<v Speaker 6>gonna always push for the best and just know that

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<v Speaker 6>like the best is out there. So that's one thing

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<v Speaker 6>about me. I'm gonna always try and put my best

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<v Speaker 6>look forward and believe in myself and do what I can.

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<v Speaker 6>You know, I'm a firm believer in that.

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<v Speaker 1>That's great, and thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 6>You're welcome Yeah, this is fun. Bye bye.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you for listening to the Other End podcast by

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<v Speaker 2>Mike and Dorry. Please like and follow us in all

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