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Speaker 1: When your old career gives you lemons throwing some ice,

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mix in some vodka.

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Speaker 2: Color a podcast from the Mac of All Trade Studio

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in Fairport and driven by Victor Chrysler Dots gem Ram.

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Speaker 3: It's Billified the Bill Moran Podcast.

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Speaker 1: Hello and welcome. Thanks for getting your pot on, Thanks

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for telling a friend, Thanks for writing me that I

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need a razor.

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Speaker 2: I met so many people hit me on so many

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whirl you'll lose your razor, We'll have your razor.

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Speaker 1: Any money for a razor? You a razor sponsor?

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Speaker 4: I don't know, because nobody ever really has seen you

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with a beard.

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Speaker 3: I've never seen you with a beard.

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Speaker 1: I grew on once and then I was just letting

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it go. Yes, I've been letting it go for a while.

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Then people, I can tell you're having a hard time.

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Your dad really kind of got you. Didn't shave it.

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Speaker 3: Don't you love what people make those associations.

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Speaker 1: It's like we all do.

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Speaker 3: We all do it.

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Speaker 1: Of course, we all.

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Speaker 3: Try to sound smarter than we really are. Dude, I'm

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guilty of this more than anyone.

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Speaker 5: Rah. You know what?

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Speaker 3: You know what Sammy, Uh, you know what Kevin's problem is.

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Speaker 2: I think like people would go, uh, it looks like

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you're having a really hard time. I really, you haven't

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shaved in a couple of days. You look like your

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hair's all messy.

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Speaker 1: I go, that's how I wear my hair, and I'm

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lucky I have it. I'm gonna be fifty four years

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old in like two weeks.

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Speaker 3: Come on, They asked Marcia Clark, who's the prosecutor for O. J. Simpson?

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Are you wearing the white dress for Nicole Brown?

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Speaker 4: Are you wearing the right dress for rock Golmos goes,

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I'm wearing it because it was clean.

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Speaker 3: I mean, just to get to the dry.

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Speaker 1: Cleaners right exactly. But no I did.

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Speaker 5: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I just thought, well, let's see something different trying out.

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I don't know, well, let's see, I mean, looks good.

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Beard seemed to be very uh in fashion these days.

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Speaker 3: Just don't become one of those beard guys.

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Speaker 1: What's a beard? You know?

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Speaker 4: They start wearing glasses and drink craft beer and wearing

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special argyle shirts, wearing hard shoes to the beach.

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Speaker 3: They're around. They used to be called hipsters.

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Speaker 4: Now they now they and now they've become dads, so

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now they're sophisticated. I mean, I mean they're they're like

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one generation away from wearing an ascot on a Sunday

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afternoon at the beach.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well you're smoking a pipe that that's coming by

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the way, what the pipe cigars?

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Speaker 3: Now it's going to be a pipe you wait?

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Speaker 1: Oh, people smoking pipes.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like with beards and glasses and mascots.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I remember my uncle Bill used to smoke a pipe.

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Speaker 3: Michael Tony did two for what. I love pipe smoke

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every family.

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Speaker 1: I like the way it's smell. Yeah, the tobacco.

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Speaker 3: Ye, it's the greatest second hand smoke ever. Sure it's

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pipe smoke.

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Speaker 1: I think I did certainly like that when you think

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about it. Now, I were more populated than ever, but

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there was a lot of ship they were breathing in

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back then, and everybody seemed to live.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Well look at Mark Mark's crand parents. Right, they live

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under Kodak. They're like not both in their nineties, both smoke,

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both both drank.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, lived under.

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Speaker 3: The smoke stacks of codec. They're fine. Maybe it's one

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of those like you know, you got to get away

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with the flu.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, get rid of the flu A little bit of

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like a little bit of the germ scares away that

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maybe that's what it was, a little bit of Kodak went.

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Speaker 3: A long way.

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Speaker 1: Might be Maybe I could become a beard influencer if

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I actually let this thing go.

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Speaker 4: Maybe start wearing beard oils, start advertising beard oil.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I like this. I read an article today about it.

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Speaker 3: Bill Moran here for Doctor Squatch beard oil. Yes, it's all.

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Speaker 1: Healthy, you could drink it. I want to reach out

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to Doctor Squatch.

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Speaker 3: They got good stuff. And by the way, it's it's

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healthy soap.

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Speaker 1: But Doctor Squatch they even have like alone.

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Speaker 4: Oh they do they have they have colone, they have

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shampoo conditioner, beard oil.

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Speaker 1: Now they got a razor for your balls.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay they're branching out.

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Speaker 1: That's right.

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Speaker 4: But if you run it on the UK app soap

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there's reas why it's expect because it's incredibly clean.

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Speaker 3: There's no chemicals or very little chemicals.

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Speaker 1: What we need a Doctor Squatch sponsor.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we should Doctor Squatch.

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Speaker 4: If you're listening to Billify the Bill Moran podcast, we

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could use product or cash.

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Speaker 1: There's a uh or both. There's a whole there's a

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whole industry now of people who are considered influencers, and

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I'm not really sure who they are and what they're

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influencing exactly, or how they would determine who's an influencer

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and who who's not. Jamison watched this watches this kid

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who I really like on YouTube and I don't know

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his name, but he goes around to different hotels and

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he went to all the haunted hotels that you could

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stay at, and he went around and talked all about it.

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I guess that would be an influencer, right, because if

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people see that, they're going to go to have a

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similar experience. And the guy did it a beautifully shot

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while the kid's very poison camera was really really well done.

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So I guess that would be an influencer. And then

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we think of like the Kardashians. Certainly they've influenced people.

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There's a whole bunch. It's like they have clones out

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there to search. It's so funny and that's okay, But

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this guy is a de influencer. He actually has started

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something called Dotty Snacks and Dottie I think it's d

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a a d I means grandma in I think it's

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in India, in India, but yeah, Dottima right, okay, So okay,

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so Dottie and that. So this guy is South Asian, uh,

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and he made flavored popcorn using Dotty Ma's recipes and

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he went through and they did a bunch of testing

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and all this stuff. So that and he built this business.

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He puts his face on camera, so somebody knows, but

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it's anonymous, and it's on the Dottie Na. Yeah, but

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it's on their Instagram. So it's like their Instagram where

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they'd be promoting their popcorn, but they're not. It's this

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guy who pops up making fun of influencers and I

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fucking love it like it's him. No, it's it's fantastic. Now,

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listen to this one. It starts out with the influencer, okay,

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and then he duets these things or jumps in and

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it's it's incredible. Here we go, We're about to get

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hit by a hurricane. Okay. So this is when the

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tsunami was coming.

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Speaker 4: Right, and they.

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Speaker 1: Thought the tsunami was gonna hit like California.

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Speaker 3: Careful, there was an earthquake at Japan. Make sure you

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brought up your house in Hawaii.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, excuse me, mister president, can you spell tsunami? I'll

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never forget being at the comedy club and the JJ

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God rest his soul. Fucking JJ God rested. So hey, hey, Billy,

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how about the tossue me? I go, what the tsue me?

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I went home. I watched from six pm to midnight.

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I couldn't turn it off, the whole thing. I go.

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You watched six hours of covers and you still fucking

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pronounce the word. But I had a tea of it. Yeah,

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so all right, So this woman is in Hawaii, okay,

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and she's, uh, I guess, a travel nurse. And maybe

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she blogs her travels as to wherever she goes, and

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maybe people follow. I don't know, but here we go.

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Speaker 4: I am in Hawaii and we're about to get hit

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by a hurricane or now.

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Speaker 3: Calmly, why does it look?

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Speaker 6: So you're a travel nurse staying in Hawaii and you

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decide to content farm a potential natural disaster.

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Speaker 4: Okay, Okay, it's no update on this.

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Speaker 6: Based on this comment, it's clear you couldn't give one

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single funck what happens to the people who live there. Hey,

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at least you have your tsunami snacks for your picnic,

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because if something happens to the natives, you can pick

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your tripod up and hop to the next place.

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Speaker 3: You're doing a little picnic.

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Speaker 6: We have our snacks, and people tell me I'm too

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mean to influencers, and I would argue I should be

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much meaner.

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Speaker 1: Okay, buy some. I want to make this the fucking

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dotty popcorn dead alone, dead alone, Go buy it. It

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sounds fantastic. What's like? Oh wait, I think I've seen

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this maybe in Wagmans. No, I'm thinking of a different

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brand than with made with avocado oil. The popcorn with

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a uh one more one more. And this is a

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kid who comes out and I guess he's an influencer.

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Handsome kid. Hands are all tatted up. I couldn't tell

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because he had, you know, clothes on. I couldn't see

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how far they went up his arm or anything. But

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handsome kid. And he comes out, he's got a complaint.

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Speaker 6: When I order an Uber black of Volvo is coming

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to pick me up, I'm sorry, but that's an Uber black.

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My god, you guys, I just ordered an Uber black

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and I'm literally shaking. They sent me an eighty thousand

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dollars car instead of one hundred and twenty thousand dollars.

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Speaker 1: Battles to his strongest soldiers.

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Speaker 3: When I order an Uber black of Volvo is coming

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm sorry. So I don't know if that's

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Speaker 4: Bull Canadian because he said the idiot dude sounds Canadian too.

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Speaker 1: I don't know where he is. I think he's in

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New York City. Okay, I think he's in New York City.

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry, Yeah he does.

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Speaker 1: I mean you, uh just look up Dottie Daddi snacks

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duets all these people. I think it was Instagram, might

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have been TikTok. Excuse me to love it, and uh yeah,

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I think it's the first known example of a food

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brand doubling as what I would say is a satirical

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think tank.

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Speaker 3: Oh, absolutely right.

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Speaker 1: I love it because it was when my wife.

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Speaker 3: Tells me, like in school, they do these like they

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ask the kids, what do you want to be when

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you grow up? Yeah, and of them like when we were.

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talk show host.

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Speaker 3: Now these kids just influencer. Yeah, okay, what are you

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gonna influence? I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I don't know whatever. Makeup, yeah, eight jeans, Yeah, yeah, exactly.

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I don't know if we'll saturate things to a point.

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I think they'll always be influenced. They're advertisers. Well, there's always.

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Speaker 4: People that are under the influence of something or somebody.

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But I mean now it's like all of a sudden,

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Grandma's an influence an alcohol.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a lot.

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Speaker 1: Ireland.

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Speaker 3: I love this guy. I want to meet him.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, me too. But then he did another one where, uh,

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there's they're shooting somebody's shooting a music video in a

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New York City subway and while the cameras are rolling,

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someone's running to their subway and they shoulder bumped the

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guy by accident, and the guy turns around and does

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this whole thing, and he's like, you're walking barefoot in

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different species, not just humans. No, yeah, everything, Yeah, yeah,

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I live in Chelsea and she lives somewhere else and

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it cost me thirty eight dollars to get up to

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towns or whatever. I may not know the directions right,

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but she's like eighty dollars around trip and the guys

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like take a subway like everybody else, like jay Z

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does for three dollars, you know. And she's like, I'm

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not getting into my cute little sparkly dressed and putting

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it on and going out of the subway. And I thought, well, okay,

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I mean, I hate to say the idea that you're

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in a cute sparkly dress, people are gonna treat you

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poorly or maybe agle you. I don't know. I don't know.

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I don't know what they're.

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Speaker 3: Gonna go somewhere where they're gonna like agle you. I mean,

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that's the point.

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Speaker 1: Why would you put it on?

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Speaker 4: And by the way, I heard somewhere along the line,

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women dress for women, they don't dress for men.

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Speaker 1: Oh, let me tell you something. We need dress for

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other Let me just tell you something right now. And

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I have to say this because it's been bothering me

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a lot lately, and I don't usually get into politics.

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More of the population of our country is women. That

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it is men. We've had two women run for president

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and they've lost. Who's not voting for them? Right? Yeah?

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I mean that that that right there tells you everything?

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Does it? Knocks? It tells you everything. I am so excited.

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I am so excited. We were looking all over hard

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knocks for you. We were looking everywhere. We will take them.

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Ament We look for the Greg Connors Easter Eggs, take

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a moment. I just like the counterculture.

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Speaker 4: There it is Ticketmaster, What give Greig's money's worth?

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Speaker 1: We will take a.

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Speaker 3: Master with a booth.

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Speaker 1: Will take a moment. Greg. That dandy has something for

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you right in front of you that every birthday. Yeah,

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and uh well we'll we will take you and then

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we will come back. And I think we have to

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talk about hard knocktion. And then I gotta tell you

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what I forgot about something. Something has scared me about

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an AFC East rival.

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Speaker 3: Something scared me about hard knocks last night.

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Speaker 3: The fucker love the world.

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Speaker 1: I could be shame. Souper mus would be wasted.

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Speaker 3: They got nothing on you.

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Speaker 1: This is Greg's ring. Tom never know, you.

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Speaker 5: Made nothing known you. I know you feel where we're

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coming from. Regardless other things in my past had known

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MOS stuff.

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Speaker 1: It really was the hell of the pump. Don't care

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what nice plump. I can't get rural. Mars is so talented,

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but I don't think he's put anything out that last

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year he had Oh he did, well, he did, but

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it was a collap correct Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, he

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also had what he.

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Speaker 5: Did Yeah the one was it called juicy fruit or something.

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It was a little risk for me, Yeah, and went off.

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He was like he had like a Miley Cyrus detour

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a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Uh, Greg Connors, I'm so excited that you came in because, uh,

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training camp wraps up tomorrow. Does the Buffalo Bills have

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the MVP and Josh Allen and they have hard knocks

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this year, which was I was impressed with how quickly

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they got that done because they were right up to

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the Red and Blue Game or the Blue and Red

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Game it's called. I was really impressed by that. I thought,

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should we kind of did you watch? I watched, I

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was gonna watch twice, and I didn't.

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Speaker 5: Did you everywround some of it?

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Speaker 1: Okay? Okay?

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Speaker 5: So I did go back and look at.

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Speaker 1: Some of the stuff because overall, my biggest concern, and

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I said this earlier on the podcast, is that it's

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going to be boring. And it was kind of flat

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and boring. I mean, opens up with Dion Dawkins, who's

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a huge personality and the lovely guy it seems like,

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and he's packing up and leaving his family, and then

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it was Dawson Knox, who, by the way, seven people.

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I just think that's a lot because I always go people,

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go people. Please tell me everybody if someone says to me,

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everybody I know is doing it. I go, okay, can

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you name me ten friends that you talk to on

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a regular basis? Right? And that was an old program

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director said that to me to just kind of keep

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things in perspective when people are coming at you. And

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I but I thought seven people? Would you? Walking down

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with Dawson Knox was like, I'm like, holy shit, it's

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another one. Oh, here's another one. I'm getting it on Instagram,

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I'm getting it on on Facebook, I'm getting it on

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my text I'm getting it. Was amazing.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Dawson's a great guy. And uh, it just was coincidental.

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I was walking down from the parking lot and he

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was walking out of the locker room and he was

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a couple of steps ahead to me, turned around and

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saw it was me, and then we just started busing. Yeah,

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and you know, he we were trying to coordinate getting

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something together for the Killers. That was that Saturday, Yes,

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and it was his first practice back, so we were

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talking about that. I told him, man, I'm like, hey, man,

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you know you don't have to say you can just

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take veteran days. I go Bruce Smith used to do

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it all training. Yeah, he would take veteran camps.

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Speaker 4: He would There was one time where I remember he

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was tethered to a tree, just running back because he

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didn't want to practice, and I was.

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Speaker 3: Like, you know what, all right?

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Speaker 5: He would just be on the stare mill StairMaster the

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whole time.

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Speaker 3: Didn't His grandmother died three times in one camp, you know.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Dawson's a great guy. And it was when we

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were walking. I didn't think anything of it because we

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were just bsing' yah and uh. And as you walked

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down and I didn't see anybody because again.

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Speaker 1: You know, you're not you went you weren't. You were

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literally looking at him, talking to him and walking. He

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went one direction, you went the other. And that was it.

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But I'm like, that's pretty fucking cool. And the fact

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that seven people said it to me made it even

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cooler for me.

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Speaker 5: It was funny because Will sent me I didn't know it,

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I wasn't following it during training camp, during the practice,

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and then Will sent me attacks with it as on

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the link and he's like, what the hell?

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Speaker 1: So that's very funny. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Uh.

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Speaker 1: The biggest thrill for me on the hard Knocks piece,

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the most exciting thing for me, and I really did

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enjoy it. And I know that there's somebody in this

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room who did not. And I don't know where you

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stand in this, but I loved seeing Dion Dawkins go

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drifting with his kids.

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Speaker 5: Oh my god. When I saw that, I thought to myself,

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is the Department of Social Services is going to show

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up at his house tomorrow because they had a helmet on.

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Speaker 1: That didn't fit? Oh no, the helmet they had, they

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had a seatbelt.

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Speaker 5: They had him in a in a in a restraint

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of seatbelt. That was not a proof of their size

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and age.

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Speaker 1: No. If they were in a.

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Speaker 5: Car, a street car, right, they he could have been

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he could have been ticketed.

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Speaker 4: Yes, And is it bad that I was more concerned

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about the left tackle of the Buffalo Bills getting injured

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than his kid, because that's.

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Speaker 3: That's what horrified me.

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Speaker 1: It's like, no, no, I'm watching, You're not where he's drifted.

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You're not gonna hit anything, You're No, I didn't I know.

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Speaker 3: Where that is. By the way, it's on the reservation. Yeah, okay,

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it was not. I supposed to say that. There's a

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lot of them.

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Speaker 5: No, you're not supposed to say that.

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's just I really didn't know why I didn't

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say yeah, no, I honestly didn't. I just know that

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they've been drifting. Now. I've done drifting, and they did

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a whole drifting show in Rochester that was on Netflix

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and didn't get renewed for season two. But my buddy

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Kevin van Volkenberg was brought into service to repair all

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the cars.

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Speaker 5: Oh my god, we were talking.

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Speaker 1: This is down on Kodak and those guys were hitting

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light posts and things where he was yeah, no, yeah,

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there was nothing. It was all wide open and these

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guys are like, they'll drift through obstacle courses. I don't

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know enough about drifting. It's not it's cool to do.

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It's not something I've ever really focused on. And when

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i'm I don't I love that with cars.

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Speaker 5: I really didn't have any concerns about him driving it,

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only because some people who drive with me think that

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I drift normally, and so you know, he was in

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control of the car. There wasn't like big spaces where

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he could get a ton of speed, and then there

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were the.

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Speaker 1: Issues with it.

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Speaker 5: I didn't I wasn't more that wasn't for me. If

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he was drag racing on the road or something. I'd

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be like, okay, you can catch him air that that

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can get danger. Yes, it was it was the kids.

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I was thinking, oh my god, why what who did

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he consult with?

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Speaker 1: I don't think who did HBO consult with? Who did

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the bills?

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Speaker 3: Pr?

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Speaker 1: I was like, I can't believe they're showing there with nobody.

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And I thought the same thing with the kid. I

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go the kid like, only because we're in twenty twenty five,

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if you weigh more than ninety pounds right under night,

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excuse me. If you're under ninety pounds, you're in a

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back seat that's rear facing, right, you're that's the car

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seat you're in.

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Speaker 4: Billy used that joke once doing a comedy show. This

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hot shit got up to walk off, and she had

470
00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:53,920
a little bit of a rattle with her shake.

471
00:22:54,039 --> 00:22:55,960
Speaker 3: And he goes, hey, you know, hey, where you go?

472
00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:57,480
You know, if you're under ninety pound, you got to

473
00:22:57,519 --> 00:22:58,519
work use a car seat.

474
00:22:58,599 --> 00:23:00,920
Speaker 1: Car seat face out of the back. When she started laughing,

475
00:23:01,039 --> 00:23:03,519
they're laughing at their boyfriends. There, I go, man, that'd

476
00:23:03,559 --> 00:23:05,400
be great. If she gets drunk and she's yapping, you

477
00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:08,279
just throw it in the car so drilled traffic. Let

478
00:23:08,319 --> 00:23:14,599
her look out the rear window. Fucking but it's true, right,

479
00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:16,880
And then so you see this and the helmets, you're right,

480
00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:20,359
they're not built for a kid's head. And I don't

481
00:23:20,519 --> 00:23:23,680
know drifting cars well enough, but most stuff where you're

482
00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:26,519
doing I'll call it acrobatics in a car, whether it

483
00:23:26,599 --> 00:23:30,119
be racing, whether it be drag racing. Their harness their

484
00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:32,440
harness seats because they go over and they strap you in,

485
00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:36,160
so you may because a lot of those I don't

486
00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:37,720
know about modern day race cars, but a lot of

487
00:23:37,759 --> 00:23:39,880
guys who drag their old cars, they don't have airbags,

488
00:23:40,079 --> 00:23:42,319
so you need that harness in there. And I would

489
00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:46,880
think for drifting that didn't look like although retro. I

490
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:49,599
was gonna say it was definitely a modified BMW, but.

491
00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:52,039
Speaker 5: I couldn't tell what years, and it was modified specifically

492
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:55,160
for that. I mean, he had the aerodynamics and everything

493
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:58,519
specifically for that. But you know, and if you gotta

494
00:23:58,599 --> 00:24:00,960
know Dion, that's Dion and would never know.

495
00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:03,559
Speaker 1: Be hurt.

496
00:24:03,759 --> 00:24:06,759
Speaker 5: But I will say that the laws in certain parts

497
00:24:06,799 --> 00:24:10,559
of New York State apply differently to the people that

498
00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:14,920
are on that premises versus people who are off the premises.

499
00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:16,440
Speaker 3: Okay, that's why.

500
00:24:16,559 --> 00:24:18,079
Speaker 1: All right, So the.

501
00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:21,039
Speaker 5: Laws if you're in a certain part of New York

502
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:26,839
State that has certain freedoms, and but you're you're on there,

503
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:31,480
whether you're part of that that culture, nation, that nation

504
00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:34,200
is what it is, those laws still apply to you

505
00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:37,160
as if you're native. And if once you walk off

506
00:24:37,799 --> 00:24:43,480
and your so this is why, then the laws apply

507
00:24:43,559 --> 00:24:47,359
to you as a Native America. Depending on where you're from,

508
00:24:47,519 --> 00:24:49,559
whether it be Canadian or whatever, the law is still

509
00:24:49,559 --> 00:24:52,680
apply to you. But there's certain certain exemptions that might have.

510
00:24:54,839 --> 00:24:57,920
Speaker 1: That's I like that, and that makes it okay for HBO.

511
00:24:58,319 --> 00:25:00,960
I'm waiting to see what's the push back, because everybody

512
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,000
has an opinion nowadays, and the greatest thing is they

513
00:25:03,039 --> 00:25:05,240
can all express it and tell you exactly how they

514
00:25:05,319 --> 00:25:07,440
feel or what's wrong with you. And this sort of thing,

515
00:25:07,839 --> 00:25:09,680
to me, I go, I get it. You want to

516
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:14,640
blow off steam. I look, I having done drag racing

517
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:17,519
and some racing stuff. It's the only thing that I

518
00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:20,880
have ever not. I had a hard time bringing my

519
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:24,240
adrenaline down from like I did it in the morning

520
00:25:25,599 --> 00:25:29,200
a couple of times, and I was still buzzing at

521
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:34,839
eight o'clock at night. And I remember Marcellus Wiley saying

522
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:38,200
that on game day, for a one o'clock game, your

523
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:41,920
adrenaline is so pumped that even after the game, win

524
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:45,960
or lose, you can't calm down. And they would go

525
00:25:46,279 --> 00:25:49,720
do something like the casinos up in Niagara or something

526
00:25:49,799 --> 00:25:52,160
like that, and you'd be there all night because the adrenale.

527
00:25:53,519 --> 00:25:55,319
Speaker 5: I mean, isn't that the way you feel after a

528
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:55,920
Bills game?

529
00:25:56,039 --> 00:25:59,759
Speaker 1: No, No, I'm usually exhausted, especially if I go watch it.

530
00:26:00,079 --> 00:26:03,640
You come at your house, I'm tired. There's yelling there

531
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:05,319
after you guys leave.

532
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:07,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, I know the away games, and I come back

533
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:10,200
from the home games. I usually watch it replay to

534
00:26:10,319 --> 00:26:11,440
relax in the calm down.

535
00:26:11,519 --> 00:26:13,759
Speaker 4: Why I tried too, I got the whole notebook, Like

536
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:16,359
what happened? I have to go back like like the stenographer,

537
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:18,799
like in the courtroom. Yeah, okay, so third and seven

538
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:21,720
and then fourth and four then they punt.

539
00:26:21,799 --> 00:26:23,480
Speaker 1: No, yeah, but that is true.

540
00:26:23,519 --> 00:26:27,279
Speaker 5: And you know, for Dion, I mean, Dion is such

541
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:29,960
a character, such a fun loving like.

542
00:26:30,319 --> 00:26:33,119
Speaker 1: He seems like such a I hope this doesn't come

543
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:36,240
off almost patronizing, but he seems like such a sweet

544
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:39,640
guy like, what you see is what you got. I honestly, God,

545
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:42,079
you hear the term he'd give you the shirt off

546
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:45,920
his back used ad nauseum. Right. I think he's that

547
00:26:46,079 --> 00:26:48,200
guy if you're in his circle.

548
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:51,359
Speaker 5: Yeah, and he's a brilliant guy. He's a really smart guy. Yeah,

549
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:52,839
there's no doubt about it.

550
00:26:52,839 --> 00:26:54,279
Speaker 1: You can't play in the NFL. I don't care what

551
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:54,920
anybody says.

552
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 3: That is.

553
00:26:55,839 --> 00:26:59,400
Speaker 1: I mean the plays in the stuff in the field

554
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:00,920
or some of them.

555
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:04,160
Speaker 5: I okay, I got you that they know what their

556
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:06,599
role is there and then applying it outside of Hey,

557
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:11,240
look right right, I just.

558
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:15,160
Speaker 1: Saw something today. We're gronk. It's like Brady yelling Gronk, Gronk,

559
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:19,039
stand up a play Like, but I go, there's so

560
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:22,359
many Yeah, I how do you? You got to be

561
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:24,599
a smart person, So I like Dianna I was.

562
00:27:26,799 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 5: I didn't see him today, but my brother, man, if

563
00:27:29,279 --> 00:27:31,839
anybody calls you to make sure you I got somebody

564
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:37,240
you should talk to. You answer any questions. Yeah. Look,

565
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:40,519
everybody has an opinion. Everybody's going to give an opinion

566
00:27:40,559 --> 00:27:42,119
about about it, you know.

567
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:43,240
Speaker 1: And Josh.

568
00:27:43,559 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 5: I mean the funny thing about Josh in that video

569
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:50,759
is I always jokingly say to you guys, how Josh

570
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:55,480
has this socially awkward, like boyish charm he does. It's

571
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:58,799
a lot like my son, and and it's just so endearing.

572
00:27:59,519 --> 00:28:02,359
And his awkwardness in the interview and stuff just to

573
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:05,119
me just shined right through. Is that that's who he is?

574
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:09,559
Speaker 1: He went with Pagoula on the tour of the new stadium.

575
00:28:09,559 --> 00:28:14,680
Oh yeah, kept going on. But that's I mean I get, is.

576
00:28:14,799 --> 00:28:18,119
Speaker 5: That polite, respectful, kind like person, you know.

577
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 3: You know, it's it's it's funny because I wrote for.

578
00:28:20,759 --> 00:28:24,200
Speaker 5: You, finally stopped calling me mister Connor. Come on.

579
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,400
Speaker 4: I wrote an article about the ten observations I had

580
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:30,200
from hard Knock for The Times. One of them was,

581
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,480
you know, somebody said this about hul Cogan recently passed away.

582
00:28:33,559 --> 00:28:34,880
Speaker 3: They said, being HULLL.

583
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,200
Speaker 4: Cogan once he became hul Cogan was a twenty four

584
00:28:37,799 --> 00:28:40,079
seven three sixty five job for the rest of his life.

585
00:28:40,599 --> 00:28:42,960
Being Josh Allen has now become a twenty four seven

586
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:46,160
three sixty five job. But nobody better could handle it

587
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,960
than Josh Allen just being himself.

588
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 5: You know, in in for me, it's what you don't see.

589
00:28:53,599 --> 00:28:56,319
It's him even when you don't see it right, even

590
00:28:56,359 --> 00:28:59,680
when he doesn't know anybody's watching or listening, that's just

591
00:28:59,759 --> 00:29:01,960
too he is. And that's really who his parents are.

592
00:29:02,039 --> 00:29:04,680
I mean, his parents are that way. And I mean,

593
00:29:04,799 --> 00:29:08,079
you couldn't have a better representative of the people of

594
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:12,160
Western New York than Josh Allen. And you know, and

595
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,680
you know, I think there's a video out there of

596
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:20,559
Josh had done some interviews and they blew the horn.

597
00:29:20,599 --> 00:29:22,240
And they blow the horn at camp it means that

598
00:29:22,319 --> 00:29:24,759
the players are supposed to come inside. That's mcdermot's way

599
00:29:24,759 --> 00:29:26,759
of protecting the players, so they don't stay out there forever.

600
00:29:27,039 --> 00:29:28,559
They have an excuse to go inside.

601
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:30,119
Speaker 1: Ready.

602
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, And so Josh was doing some interviews, which he

603
00:29:34,039 --> 00:29:36,039
seems to do like everybody wants to talk to him.

604
00:29:36,279 --> 00:29:39,039
And after the interviews, he came and signed autographs for

605
00:29:39,119 --> 00:29:42,799
the Mini Mafia and the community tent. And he had

606
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,720
come over to our area and had signed some and

607
00:29:46,039 --> 00:29:49,319
the horn had already blown like fifteen minutes earlier, and

608
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:51,799
so he signed for a bunch and then he got

609
00:29:51,839 --> 00:29:54,039
to a point and he was pulled away, and as

610
00:29:54,119 --> 00:29:58,079
he pulled away, he heard this little girl crying like, oh,

611
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:01,319
my gosh. He turned around and it was a young

612
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:04,319
lady with down syndrome, and he went over and gave

613
00:30:04,359 --> 00:30:09,519
her a hug and signed something and and when it happened,

614
00:30:09,559 --> 00:30:11,559
I was just like that is when I saw him

615
00:30:11,599 --> 00:30:14,000
walk back, I'm like, who, that's unlike him to go

616
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:15,920
back because he's usually got to go. But he saw

617
00:30:16,039 --> 00:30:18,079
this little girl, and I mean his heart just poured

618
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:20,119
out first and he goes and then when he was there,

619
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:23,960
he then he did but he saw some service men

620
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:26,319
and women. He took his hat off and he shook

621
00:30:26,359 --> 00:30:29,279
their hand. Now I see servicemen and women all the

622
00:30:29,359 --> 00:30:31,319
time and I don't even think of doing that, But

623
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:35,160
that's just kind of that's his reaction of how he

624
00:30:35,319 --> 00:30:36,799
is as a person. And it was just kind of like,

625
00:30:36,839 --> 00:30:38,279
you know, I sent his parents at text. I'm like,

626
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:40,920
you know, you hear all the great things about your

627
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,839
kids that people talk about, and you see about that

628
00:30:44,039 --> 00:30:49,160
you do I don't hear anything, yeah, but you know

629
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:52,640
it's like but nobody, but people are usually watching, and

630
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:56,680
nobody was watching. This just happened organically, and that's something

631
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:59,000
to be proud of as a parent. He's a reflection

632
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,920
of them and we know you taught him to do this,

633
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:03,960
because there are a lot of people that are in

634
00:31:04,039 --> 00:31:06,640
Josh's position and even below it that don't do that.

635
00:31:06,839 --> 00:31:09,039
Oh yeah, so that b where he is and he's

636
00:31:09,119 --> 00:31:11,440
a rock star bossy, Yes, yeah, he is rock stars.

637
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:13,119
Speaker 1: Well, the guy's the m v P of the league.

638
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it's like we're talking like O. J.

639
00:31:16,599 --> 00:31:19,839
Speaker 5: Simpsons, Mark Jackson, Lamar Jackson is the MVP of the league.

640
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:21,240
And he doesn't get that response.

641
00:31:22,359 --> 00:31:26,079
Speaker 1: No he doesn't, and I yes he does not. Yeah,

642
00:31:26,079 --> 00:31:28,119
he doesn't. I'll say that there. But yes, you're right,

643
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:32,880
and and and if there's somebody to study and watch

644
00:31:33,279 --> 00:31:36,240
and how they handle themselves, Josh Allen's are great.

645
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 3: Yeah.

646
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:39,519
Speaker 4: There are names I don't want to name them who

647
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:42,880
have been to the top of the mountain, sometimes several times.

648
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:45,039
Speaker 3: And you don't get those same stories. They're mixed.

649
00:31:45,519 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 4: Even the pr public polish stories. You don't get the

650
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:50,960
same stories as you get from like Josh Allen. I've

651
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:54,119
never heard a negative or bad story about Josh Allen.

652
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 1: I don't think I have. And this is a wait

653
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,880
wait wait wait, they tried, they tried, they tried, they

654
00:32:00,039 --> 00:32:00,759
which wasn't true.

655
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:03,359
Speaker 5: And I told you it wasn't true. The only the

656
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:05,920
only negative story about Josh, and this is the true

657
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:09,440
of knowing him now for seven eight years. The only

658
00:32:09,599 --> 00:32:12,000
negative story of Josh, and it's really not negative, is

659
00:32:12,079 --> 00:32:14,119
it when he goes to sign autographs, he'll look to

660
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:16,559
see where he's going. So he'll be signing and he'll look.

661
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:20,599
If he sees an adult, heal he goes a different direction.

662
00:32:21,359 --> 00:32:24,119
Because it was like his rookie year and an adult

663
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:25,920
came up to him to sign an autograph, and he

664
00:32:26,079 --> 00:32:29,480
was just like, that's weird. He was if my dad's

665
00:32:29,559 --> 00:32:32,559
friends came to ask me for an autograph, I'd be like,

666
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:36,720
that's weird. Why you're an adult? Why are you coming after?

667
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:40,000
You know? Come on, you're adults now if you're a kid.

668
00:32:40,119 --> 00:32:41,720
Because when he was a kid, he wants to get

669
00:32:41,759 --> 00:32:44,640
an autograph and he got snubbed and it really affected

670
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:47,279
him for a long period of time. He was upset,

671
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:52,480
he felt rejected all those things. And actually it wasn't Montana,

672
00:32:52,599 --> 00:32:54,400
and I can't remember who it was, the.

673
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:57,319
Speaker 3: Guy who replaced Montana. No, was it the guy who

674
00:32:57,359 --> 00:32:58,119
replaced Steve Young.

675
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 4: Steve Young replaced Montana, Gerbach replaced Steve Young.

676
00:33:01,759 --> 00:33:03,559
Speaker 5: It was either Gerbach or Young.

677
00:33:03,759 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 3: It could have been Matacas.

678
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:08,599
Speaker 4: Montana has long retired before and Steve Young was like

679
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:10,359
at the end of like it was at ninety nine

680
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:11,079
was his last season.

681
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:12,839
Speaker 3: So it may have been Gerbach, it may have been

682
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:14,200
Bono or one of those guys.

683
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 5: I don't know, And that he was kind of like

684
00:33:16,279 --> 00:33:18,640
he was he felt so dejected, he was so like

685
00:33:18,799 --> 00:33:21,880
turned off by it. Yeah, and he was like and

686
00:33:22,279 --> 00:33:24,640
I think his mom, I think, told the story that

687
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:27,119
when he got home he said to her, when I

688
00:33:27,279 --> 00:33:30,240
get famous like that, I'll never do that, and he

689
00:33:30,599 --> 00:33:31,279
has held true.

690
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 3: I said the same thing to my dad too, did

691
00:33:33,799 --> 00:33:37,119
you Yes, you are Dad.

692
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 1: I was hoping that we in in some reference, and

693
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:46,559
it's a five part series, The Hard Knocks, uh, something

694
00:33:46,559 --> 00:33:49,039
about James could show me the running back. I mean,

695
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:51,920
when was the last time we have seen in sort

696
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:52,839
of a sit in?

697
00:33:53,759 --> 00:33:55,599
Speaker 4: They said they said there was a cutoff though for

698
00:33:55,759 --> 00:33:57,599
like they had to get all the film in so

699
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:00,359
by the time it got in he sat in after that.

700
00:34:00,559 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 1: No, that okay, But I'm just saying, like, that's a

701
00:34:02,759 --> 00:34:04,599
little bit of drama that I think people would be

702
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:05,240
interested in.

703
00:34:05,359 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 3: Oh, this next episode, all, yeah, it will Okay, have.

704
00:34:08,519 --> 00:34:11,679
Speaker 1: You seen it? No, no, no, But when you see

705
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:15,280
Penfield grads, that's when you see.

706
00:34:15,199 --> 00:34:17,079
Speaker 5: Kind of like where their cameras are at and who

707
00:34:17,119 --> 00:34:19,760
they're focusing on. You know, you'll see some stuff about

708
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:24,719
Joe Andres and Buffalo Joe, they fouled him. You'll see

709
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:28,159
some stuff with Cook. Trade A is hilarious.

710
00:34:28,559 --> 00:34:30,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, he was funny.

711
00:34:30,199 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 3: He's gonna get his own pits for Dary.

712
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:36,199
Speaker 1: It was funny. I could pits for Dary. Did they

713
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:39,440
get the greatest advertisement ever? It's fun You can't buy that.

714
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 5: We were joking about.

715
00:34:41,159 --> 00:34:41,320
Speaker 2: You know.

716
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:44,119
Speaker 5: It's like when I was walking down with Dawson. Yeah,

717
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:46,239
and it was like, you can't buy that.

718
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:46,559
Speaker 1: People.

719
00:34:46,599 --> 00:34:49,599
Speaker 5: If you scripted that, it wouldn't come off genuine, it

720
00:34:49,599 --> 00:34:52,480
wouldn't come off that way. And trade A just randomly

721
00:34:52,519 --> 00:34:55,079
showed up with the Hard Knights crew when he was

722
00:34:55,119 --> 00:34:57,559
with Benford and they showed up. Nobody knew he was coming,

723
00:34:58,199 --> 00:35:00,719
and they treated him like, hey man, I mean they

724
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:02,360
knew who he was because all of a sudden there

725
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:05,159
was a crew of like eight guys with cameras from.

726
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:07,400
Speaker 3: A couple of years ago to all these years.

727
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,280
Speaker 5: He came in and uh, but yeah, that's just him.

728
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:12,679
I mean, you couldn't. You couldn't pay for that kind

729
00:35:12,679 --> 00:35:13,760
of no, you can't.

730
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:16,239
Speaker 1: I thought that was absolutely, absolutely amazing.

731
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:18,880
Speaker 3: Well, Connors and Ferris is a title sponsor. He's, hey,

732
00:35:19,199 --> 00:35:19,719
what's going on?

733
00:35:20,039 --> 00:35:21,400
Speaker 1: We had best when we see you.

734
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:26,159
Speaker 5: Well, I'm I'm trying to fly on any three radaris

735
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:29,719
on the side. I said that couch, that contract negotiats,

736
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:31,639
I'm not sure. I don't want to get under McDermott's

737
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:32,960
I want to stay off his radar.

738
00:35:33,079 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 1: Today was practicing full pads and I heard there was

739
00:35:36,039 --> 00:35:39,440
some good stuff in the red zone offensively, but but

740
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:44,239
from what I was hearing from people, the defense was

741
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:45,119
pretty impressive.

742
00:35:46,079 --> 00:35:49,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I mean Josh Josh, Josh played well.

743
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:53,000
I mean you always expect him to make throws. Dalton Finally,

744
00:35:53,559 --> 00:35:56,280
Dalton made a couple of good plays, which he's been that.

745
00:35:56,679 --> 00:35:59,280
Today was a little more flashy than he's had throughout camp,

746
00:35:59,519 --> 00:36:01,679
which was good to see. Give me a little confidence,

747
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:04,079
get kind of get his mojo back. He's been quiet

748
00:36:04,119 --> 00:36:06,880
in camp, which which is I don't know if he's

749
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:10,360
trying to stay under the radar or kind of because

750
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:12,159
of anything. The way the way the season ended, right,

751
00:36:12,679 --> 00:36:15,000
I know he worked hard in the offseason. H he

752
00:36:15,119 --> 00:36:18,199
really got after it, as did Keon. Keon has had.

753
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:22,039
By the way, my take, my hot take from camp.

754
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:22,800
Speaker 1: I can't wait.

755
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:27,159
Speaker 5: Is Keon Coleman really If you're a fantasy football person

756
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:29,719
and I'm not either, I know Keon's not in the

757
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:32,679
top fifty receivers in terms of like fantasy football. At

758
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:35,239
least I was told that I would take Keon Coleman

759
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:38,000
when you could after whatever the other whatever round you,

760
00:36:38,119 --> 00:36:40,920
You're under here, sleeper. And the reason why I say

761
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:44,000
that is that all camp he did like, didn't drop

762
00:36:44,119 --> 00:36:47,559
one ball until the other day, uh until the Red

763
00:36:47,559 --> 00:36:51,719
and Blue Blue stretch. But every ball Josh threw him

764
00:36:52,079 --> 00:36:55,000
was at his helmet or higher. And he doesn't he

765
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:59,119
he separates in the air. He separates and can catch

766
00:36:59,159 --> 00:37:01,920
the ball high where the defensive backs can They can't

767
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:03,800
elevate like he can. They're not as big as he

768
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:05,559
and he knows where he's going, and Josh puts it

769
00:37:05,599 --> 00:37:07,480
where he needs to, because that's what Josh is with

770
00:37:07,559 --> 00:37:08,159
his accuracy.

771
00:37:08,599 --> 00:37:09,559
Speaker 1: He didn't drop a ball.

772
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,199
Speaker 5: He didn't drop one ball up until the Red and

773
00:37:12,199 --> 00:37:15,480
Blue scrimmage. He was catching everything and you know when

774
00:37:15,639 --> 00:37:17,400
and for me, when you get down on the when

775
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:21,000
you get on third, third down and long third and medium,

776
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:22,920
he's going to be a guy he's going to go to.

777
00:37:23,079 --> 00:37:25,360
But then he's gonna have Dalton and Dawson and you

778
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:28,760
got Khalil, and I think he's going to be an

779
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:32,519
absolute weapon in the red zone getting the ball high

780
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:36,440
in the end zone to him. And I think that combination.

781
00:37:36,639 --> 00:37:39,199
I think my over under for him is is plus

782
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:42,719
ten touchdown catches. Wow forer key on this year. And

783
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:44,679
I don't know if he'll get to a thousand yards

784
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:47,159
receiving only because he doesn't quite have the speed in

785
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:49,559
order to get some of the after catch run r.

786
00:37:49,639 --> 00:37:49,840
Speaker 1: Yeah.

787
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:54,039
Speaker 5: Like Khalil, you know he he's he's shifty, he can

788
00:37:54,119 --> 00:37:58,960
make that happen. Kurt Samuel has that speed, you know,

789
00:37:59,159 --> 00:38:02,559
Josh Palmer some of that too. I don't I don't

790
00:38:02,559 --> 00:38:05,280
know if he has that long ball catch, but he's

791
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:09,199
gonna have that mid range, big time catch on third down,

792
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:12,039
second and long third and long. Key. I think is

793
00:38:12,039 --> 00:38:14,079
gonna have a breakout year this year. And he's committed.

794
00:38:14,119 --> 00:38:17,960
He he wants to prove everybody wrong. And when he's

795
00:38:18,039 --> 00:38:21,159
around and you hear him talk, he's you know, he's hilarious.

796
00:38:21,199 --> 00:38:23,519
He's like, yeah, I remember what people said at the

797
00:38:23,599 --> 00:38:24,199
end of last year.

798
00:38:24,199 --> 00:38:24,800
Speaker 3: I don't remember.

799
00:38:25,119 --> 00:38:25,159
Speaker 5: It.

800
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:27,039
Speaker 1: Sounds like he did a lot of work in the

801
00:38:27,119 --> 00:38:28,519
offseason and he's got it.

802
00:38:28,599 --> 00:38:31,239
Speaker 5: He's walking around with a you know, there's a difference

803
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:34,239
between cocky and confidence, right, He's put the work in,

804
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:37,480
so he's confident. He's prepared. Yeah, and it's it's been

805
00:38:37,559 --> 00:38:41,440
fun watching him this year camp with Josh. You know,

806
00:38:41,599 --> 00:38:44,960
Josh Palmer has not quite performed where you I would

807
00:38:45,039 --> 00:38:47,400
have thought he would with the experience coming in with

808
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:50,440
a guy like Josh after being out and with the Chargers.

809
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:53,519
But you know, again, it might be one of those

810
00:38:53,559 --> 00:38:55,639
things like Curtis Samuel last year didn't really hit his

811
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:57,760
stride into the last five or six games and then

812
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:00,440
he kind of showed up. So that might be something

813
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:02,760
with Palmer again more second half of the year, once

814
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,519
Josh figures out where to put the ball where he fits.

815
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:07,199
But yeah, I'm excited and.

816
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:08,119
Speaker 1: The whole thing.

817
00:39:08,199 --> 00:39:10,840
Speaker 5: Sorry about the defense. The defense today, to me, the

818
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:13,880
biggest question is the defense, and that defensive line is

819
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:18,039
starting to finally figure things out and I think see

820
00:39:18,079 --> 00:39:20,719
what they're talking about in terms of spacing and Bobby Babbage,

821
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:22,960
the defensive coordinator. You saw a little bit on a

822
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:25,400
Hard Knocks a little bit, Yes, yes, they talk about

823
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:28,320
it all the time. He is hilarious.

824
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:31,559
Speaker 1: He seems to have a real personality, like surprised me.

825
00:39:31,679 --> 00:39:35,199
Speaker 5: I didn't expect I would suspect that over the over

826
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:39,559
the next four episodes of Hard Knocks. Bobby Babbage is

827
00:39:39,639 --> 00:39:43,599
a personality. He's a fun, energetic, high energy, in your

828
00:39:43,639 --> 00:39:45,599
face you hear. You can hear him talking to the

829
00:39:45,639 --> 00:39:49,159
background in some of the audio last night. He's got

830
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:52,599
a vocabulary like, you know, like a truck driver. Nothing

831
00:39:52,599 --> 00:39:56,480
against truck drivers. And he is hilarious. I think you'll

832
00:39:56,519 --> 00:39:58,440
hear more of him though, He'll get more of him

833
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:01,719
because he's Sean is very calculated, he's very.

834
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:03,800
Speaker 1: You know, everything was very measured with Sean.

835
00:40:04,039 --> 00:40:06,079
Speaker 5: Very smart guy and as.

836
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:09,320
Speaker 1: He is, he is like the guy's done an unbelievable

837
00:40:10,039 --> 00:40:13,320
job where no matter what we've heard people calling for

838
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:17,400
him not to be here, whatever, they have done something

839
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:20,880
that the Bills haven't done since Marv Levy and the.

840
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:25,079
Speaker 5: Sabers haven't done since what twenty five years ago since.

841
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:29,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna say even done. Since Tom Gollison.

842
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:29,559
Speaker 3: Nineteen years ago.

843
00:40:29,599 --> 00:40:32,119
Speaker 4: They went to the conference finals and went to a

844
00:40:32,159 --> 00:40:33,639
game seven, right, nineteen years ago.

845
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:36,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I I I nothing close, No.

846
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:42,679
Speaker 1: And I think I look at the Buffalo Bills, and

847
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:45,840
the only thing I can think there is the league

848
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:50,360
has gotten tougher because everybody's doing the you know, everybody's

849
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:53,239
looking for the edge to be better, better, better, you know.

850
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:56,519
I mean, Joe Burrows had an unbelievable season last year.

851
00:40:56,599 --> 00:40:59,119
Many people think he would have won the MVP had

852
00:40:59,199 --> 00:41:02,320
his team done better. Defensively, they sucked and they didn't

853
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:02,920
have a great record.

854
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:05,159
Speaker 3: Well, Burrow's also got a problem stay on the field too.

855
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:06,760
Speaker 1: I mean that's not like that's true.

856
00:41:07,079 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 5: That's true.

857
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 1: Mean, dude, he did last year, but I mean I earlier.

858
00:41:09,679 --> 00:41:11,280
Speaker 4: This season, he always like that they got pop by

859
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:12,760
the Patriots. I think of the first week of the

860
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:13,679
season at home.

861
00:41:14,039 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, one thing like one in four. Well, he's got

862
00:41:18,039 --> 00:41:19,280
these starts.

863
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 3: It's like, dude, like, you can't they start your season

864
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:22,519
in October?

865
00:41:22,559 --> 00:41:23,599
Speaker 1: You're absolutely right, they were.

866
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a slow starter.

867
00:41:25,559 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 1: We'll take a moment. I want to talk about two

868
00:41:28,039 --> 00:41:30,960
things the AFC East rival that has me concerned, and

869
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:35,079
somebody who's beloved by the bills. But the rosters come

870
00:41:35,119 --> 00:41:39,519
out and they've been demoted, and I think it's okay.

871
00:41:40,199 --> 00:41:43,559
I think it's a good thing. Okay, good, okay. I

872
00:41:43,639 --> 00:41:45,599
can't wait to hear those. We'll get to all that

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liked the video because Eric Roberts is and then I

899
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really like Eric Roberts. I had a great talker. He

900
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:37,280
used to live by my mom, so yeah, and Rhinebecks.

901
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:39,639
You would see him. He lived down by the Ryan

902
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:42,360
Cliff and the Rhyanecliffe Hotel, which now has become fancy,

903
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:46,719
But when I was a kid, not so much. Like

904
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:48,800
every punk man would play in there and shit, and

905
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:50,800
they had pool tables, and we used to have our

906
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:53,480
friend from high school, Nate, and Nate had like ruddy

907
00:43:53,599 --> 00:43:56,079
skin and he was a bigger guy and off, so

908
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:00,639
this is what's our I think the tod they must

909
00:44:00,679 --> 00:44:02,920
have laughed their asses off. He would go in and

910
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:06,599
he would order a picture of beer like bud why whatever, Right,

911
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:08,480
we didn't give a shit. Could have been old German

912
00:44:09,079 --> 00:44:13,440
and he's like a tough day at IBM and he'd

913
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:17,199
have the tie hanging down and this collar undone thing

914
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:20,159
to tie didn't exactly match the desert and we'd be

915
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:23,119
over playing pool and drinking beer underage at seventeen and

916
00:44:23,599 --> 00:44:29,400
at the Rank Cliff Hotel killer show. Uh no, what's

917
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:29,760
the matter.

918
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 5: Disappointed?

919
00:44:30,599 --> 00:44:33,360
Speaker 1: But I got a picture of you from there. I said,

920
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:37,320
you looked happy. You looked very happy. Yeah? Who sent

921
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:39,599
Did I send you a picture of me? You did not?

922
00:44:40,039 --> 00:44:45,840
Who said did not? Oh? I was with yes, the

923
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:48,760
woman that cuts my hair, Yeah, Randy.

924
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:51,079
Speaker 5: Which reminded you we have to have a conversation.

925
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:54,920
Speaker 3: Oh we do? Oh yeah, interesting, Okay, your attorney wants to.

926
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:57,880
Speaker 1: Talk to you, Well I have yeah, I have to,

927
00:44:58,000 --> 00:44:58,360
that's right.

928
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:02,559
Speaker 5: She was actually standing in front of us, yes, and

929
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:05,039
uh and then we saw each other and she came

930
00:45:05,079 --> 00:45:06,800
over and we took a picture to send to you.

931
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:08,360
She's like where's Bill. I'm like, I thought he was

932
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:08,920
gonna be here.

933
00:45:10,559 --> 00:45:13,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no, no, Bill, I've been laying low. July

934
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:15,639
was a lost month for me. It was just like

935
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:16,559
I lost that month.

936
00:45:16,599 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 5: That was That was crazy, so killers man, there was

937
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:24,920
so many opportunities for that to be like a pivotal

938
00:45:25,159 --> 00:45:30,079
great moment of Finger Lakes Semac Bill's training camp, and

939
00:45:30,199 --> 00:45:34,519
it felt on a dud. It was so anti climactic

940
00:45:34,639 --> 00:45:34,840
for me.

941
00:45:35,519 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 1: It just well, I did see the confetti, yeah coming down.

942
00:45:40,159 --> 00:45:41,559
Speaker 5: Seemac did a great job with that.

943
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:42,039
Speaker 1: Yeah.

944
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:46,199
Speaker 5: And Sarah Axerrod who runs SEMAC, I mean she put

945
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:48,239
her heart and soul and trying to make something happen,

946
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:50,280
to make some you know, for the patrons of seam Act,

947
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:54,000
to make a special in the mafia, and between the

948
00:45:54,119 --> 00:45:57,280
Bills and the Killers and everything. It just was one

949
00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:01,239
of those things where it just didn't work. Yeah, you know,

950
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:04,239
you got twenty year old guys that you're throwing a

951
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:06,880
complication or two or here or there, and you have

952
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:09,800
a curfew and yeah, all of a sudden, she's easier.

953
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:13,239
There was a lot of good plans for that to happen.

954
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:15,599
A lot of cool things to happen, and it just

955
00:46:16,079 --> 00:46:18,320
didn't come to fruition. It was a great show and

956
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:22,280
I really enjoyed it. The anti climactic thing for me,

957
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:26,280
and I'm sure you have listeners that were there, was

958
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:29,039
when they came on to sing the last song and

959
00:46:29,199 --> 00:46:34,159
he says, he says, don't tell anyone, but when we

960
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:37,480
sing the song, we're Bill's fans. And that was the

961
00:46:37,639 --> 00:46:40,920
only acknowledgment to the Bill's mafia and to the Bills

962
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:43,880
fans that were there. It was it hit like a

963
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:48,280
lead balloon. Ah. And when you if you were there

964
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:51,000
and you looked at the crowd two Thursday, seventy five

965
00:46:51,039 --> 00:46:54,679
percent of the people there, Yeah, had something Bills on yep,

966
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:58,039
like the sure right or a hat or something. I

967
00:46:58,119 --> 00:47:00,280
mean women, men, sure that.

968
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:05,679
Speaker 1: Connors and Farrish really, Ferris, that's a nice ship.

969
00:47:06,079 --> 00:47:07,519
Speaker 5: And so it was kind of like, you know, there

970
00:47:07,639 --> 00:47:10,519
was some anticipation or acknowledge that Vineyard and vine was

971
00:47:10,559 --> 00:47:14,280
It's I don't know what it is, yes he does

972
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:18,760
now now. The night before the night before I was

973
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:21,880
at jow Rule and Nelly at Darien Lake, Okay, and

974
00:47:22,079 --> 00:47:23,559
those guys wrought it.

975
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:27,679
Speaker 1: Man, I fucking love this, Oh God, I love this.

976
00:47:28,159 --> 00:47:32,000
You were that. Yeah, yeah, joh Rule and Nelly. I mean, honestly,

977
00:47:32,119 --> 00:47:35,719
nowadays that's little old school, very right ole school.

978
00:47:36,039 --> 00:47:38,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, the old schools Killers. Yeah.

979
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:42,880
Speaker 1: I forget Killers, early two thousands. I always listened to

980
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:46,400
the Killers when I would mow my lawn and I

981
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:48,719
had the house in Pittsford and that had to be

982
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:52,280
like five and I did not have an iPad iPod.

983
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:56,000
I had some other CD. It wasn't even that it was.

984
00:47:56,159 --> 00:47:58,519
It was an m P three player, but it wasn't

985
00:47:58,599 --> 00:47:59,119
your phone.

986
00:48:00,159 --> 00:48:06,880
Speaker 5: Soon so we're at Darren Lake with Johu and Nelly

987
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:08,920
after the Red and Blue. I was on the drive

988
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:09,400
home something.

989
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:10,440
Speaker 1: Why why not stop?

990
00:48:10,559 --> 00:48:10,639
Speaker 4: Right?

991
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:10,880
Speaker 1: Yeah?

992
00:48:11,039 --> 00:48:15,079
Speaker 5: Sure, they talked about they blew up the Bill's Mafia,

993
00:48:15,199 --> 00:48:19,119
the Buffalo Bill. They were all about it, and every

994
00:48:19,199 --> 00:48:21,480
time they had mentioned it, the crowd would go erupt

995
00:48:21,599 --> 00:48:24,079
and just go crazy. And they really played it, which

996
00:48:24,159 --> 00:48:26,480
gave it an additional energy to the crowd and to

997
00:48:26,599 --> 00:48:28,400
them as they were playing, because you know, you feed

998
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:32,039
off each other, and I just didn't. The Killers had

999
00:48:32,079 --> 00:48:35,719
an opportunity, and whoever their business manager is, they did

1000
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:39,320
not capitalize. I mean they could have had hard knocks there,

1001
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:42,280
They could have done that and they just didn't. They didn't.

1002
00:48:42,639 --> 00:48:43,440
It didn't happen.

1003
00:48:43,559 --> 00:48:47,119
Speaker 1: And if you got Hard Knocks involved, there would have

1004
00:48:47,159 --> 00:48:47,800
been players there.

1005
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 5: Well yeah, yeah, but you saw that they did. They

1006
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:55,159
did bring in mister Bright's side, they did bring in

1007
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:57,480
the song, they had all that, but it was it

1008
00:48:57,599 --> 00:49:00,679
was an after a fact creation of all those things things. Yeah,

1009
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:03,360
as opposed to what I what could have been an

1010
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:07,800
organic celebration of you know, having them wearing the Josh

1011
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:12,800
Allen jersey, the Dawson Knox, the Dalton Kincaid. Could have

1012
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:18,840
had Dawson Anlyx there, Dalton there Ja there, yeah, you know,

1013
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:22,320
and and I mean that it would have been a

1014
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:27,039
great theater for both Hard Knocks, the Bills and CMAC

1015
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:29,920
and the finger Lakes. And so it's just, you know,

1016
00:49:30,079 --> 00:49:34,199
sometimes artists are artists, you can't. You know, it's the

1017
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:35,280
creative arts.

1018
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:37,480
Speaker 1: It is the creative arts. And you're right, people can

1019
00:49:37,519 --> 00:49:40,159
get temperamental, and there are egos involved, that's the other thing.

1020
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:42,440
And to be feel like you're going to be upstates

1021
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:45,960
on your stage, which isn't the case. They're incorporating you

1022
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:50,599
into their world and vice versa. And that's what music

1023
00:49:50,639 --> 00:49:54,920
should be. And I always say, like, you know, we'll

1024
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:56,440
talk about this in a little while, but you look

1025
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:59,760
at life a little differently. I think that all life

1026
00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:03,360
is a feelings because we go back with music to

1027
00:50:03,519 --> 00:50:07,880
a feeling we had, the person, the feeling, the things,

1028
00:50:08,119 --> 00:50:10,599
the smell that brings back the memory of the feeling.

1029
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:13,639
That's really all we have in this life to take

1030
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:17,440
with us. And it's too bad because I think, I

1031
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:20,559
think what you said about artist is pretty accurate there.

1032
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:23,280
Speaker 5: You know, and it's like, you know, my dad's passed

1033
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:26,559
away twenty five years ago. I'll hear songs that remind

1034
00:50:26,639 --> 00:50:29,239
me of when we were together twenty five years ago,

1035
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:32,360
tagating at Bill's games, and it takes me right back

1036
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:34,719
to that moment when I was thirty years old. I

1037
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:37,679
was twenty five years old. That's what music does. And

1038
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:41,760
I don't want to say they robed like an opportunity

1039
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:44,280
to have that, but it just kind of it was.

1040
00:50:44,519 --> 00:50:47,280
It was anti climactic. It was there was an opportunity

1041
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:49,960
and it just feels like it was squandered. But we

1042
00:50:50,079 --> 00:50:51,360
all had a great time. I mean, it was a

1043
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:51,840
great show.

1044
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:54,519
Speaker 1: It looked like it was a good crowd too. I

1045
00:50:54,679 --> 00:50:55,440
was a great crowd.

1046
00:50:55,519 --> 00:50:58,159
Speaker 5: It was huge. But again, you know, and everybody that

1047
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:01,280
was there, knowing what was going on and knowing how

1048
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:04,559
hard the people at SEMAC were trying to make it

1049
00:51:04,679 --> 00:51:07,519
extra special for the patrons that were there and for

1050
00:51:07,639 --> 00:51:10,320
the finger Lakes and all of it, it just was

1051
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:11,800
like a damn man.

1052
00:51:12,079 --> 00:51:13,719
Speaker 1: It could have been like next level.

1053
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:17,440
Speaker 5: I mean, it truly could have been a viral, next

1054
00:51:17,599 --> 00:51:19,800
level occurrence.

1055
00:51:19,639 --> 00:51:20,400
Speaker 1: That I mean.

1056
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 5: Look, I mean I like the Killers, but I'm a

1057
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:24,599
Bruno guy.

1058
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:29,119
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, well Bruno speaks to you, Bruno. Yeah, community,

1059
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:31,880
there's a vibe there is, there's a whole vibe with him.

1060
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 5: To me, the Killers have become relevant in the last

1061
00:51:35,039 --> 00:51:38,639
two years because of the Bills. I agree their resurgence

1062
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:40,159
is because of the Bills mafia.

1063
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:43,599
Speaker 3: In my opinion, well, there are a few things. The

1064
00:51:43,679 --> 00:51:44,400
Bills are part of it.

1065
00:51:45,079 --> 00:51:48,760
Speaker 4: Michigan and Alabama would play that song in the third

1066
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:51,519
between the third and fourth quarters, long before they did

1067
00:51:51,559 --> 00:51:53,519
it with the Bills. I think the Bills research is

1068
00:51:53,599 --> 00:51:56,320
because that's there's a video got it from yeah, Josh Allen,

1069
00:51:56,599 --> 00:51:58,559
and there's a wedding where they're attending maybe it was

1070
00:51:58,639 --> 00:52:00,800
Dawson Dawson, and they're also sick of the song.

1071
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:01,840
Speaker 3: So then it went viral.

1072
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:03,920
Speaker 4: So of course they start playing at the stadium, and

1073
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:06,400
then it became a Bill's song, you know, like every

1074
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:09,639
college football team has a certain song they go to.

1075
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:13,239
Several college football programs have adopted mister Bright's side.

1076
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:17,039
Speaker 1: I think. I also think that the Killers. I think

1077
00:52:17,079 --> 00:52:20,760
they live in Vegas and they just go out on

1078
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:22,559
the streets. Sometimes it's set up and play.

1079
00:52:23,199 --> 00:52:25,239
Speaker 3: That's cool, just like they'll go down to Fremont Street.

1080
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:26,000
Speaker 1: It just started.

1081
00:52:26,039 --> 00:52:30,280
Speaker 5: I doubt he wears that black sequence pants black shirt.

1082
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:34,800
Speaker 4: The Mormons really, yes, I didn't know that Brandon Flowers.

1083
00:52:35,559 --> 00:52:37,880
Brandon Flowers is a Mormon. They actually have an interview

1084
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:40,679
with him and Richard Dawkins, I like talking about like

1085
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:43,679
the faith versus eighth years Dawks.

1086
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:48,119
Speaker 3: Maybe it was Christopher Hitchets, one of the two of them, Dawks.

1087
00:52:49,039 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 1: No, if you saw me, not even close.

1088
00:52:53,039 --> 00:52:55,199
Speaker 4: It was either Christopher, but the one who's still alive,

1089
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:57,920
the two of them, like, you know, but the interesting

1090
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:01,639
thing and again I mean I I like the Killers.

1091
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:04,119
Speaker 5: They're not a band that I would like run to,

1092
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:08,679
but the band itself is interesting because you have the

1093
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:12,360
lead that had the sequence full outfit. And then you

1094
00:53:12,519 --> 00:53:15,880
have the band members and they look like they look

1095
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:19,440
like they were from horn Out. They had long beard,

1096
00:53:19,599 --> 00:53:23,199
scruffy T shirt, jeans. You know, they look like they

1097
00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:25,199
look like the guys that went to high school.

1098
00:53:25,199 --> 00:53:26,960
Speaker 1: They just stuffed out of the tasting room of a

1099
00:53:27,039 --> 00:53:27,840
craft brewery.

1100
00:53:28,079 --> 00:53:30,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was. It was interesting and it was like,

1101
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:33,199
what a contrast between the front guy and the other guys.

1102
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:34,519
Speaker 1: Right, So I thought.

1103
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:37,880
Speaker 5: There'd be an interesting like and I was very optimistic

1104
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:39,880
that they would all kind of like jump in at

1105
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:43,199
the end and create this great enthusiastic environment of it

1106
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:45,840
and it but but you know what, Look, it's fun.

1107
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:49,679
We're end of the season. We still embrace mister Bright's side.

1108
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:52,119
Speaker 1: Sure, and we have football now every Sunday and every

1109
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:54,239
Sunday till till Baladi.

1110
00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:56,639
Speaker 4: By the way, if you get a chance, look up

1111
00:53:56,719 --> 00:54:00,239
on the on YouTube the Killers doing Doing Born with

1112
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:00,880
Bruce Springsteen.

1113
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:02,199
Speaker 3: Do yourself a favorite?

1114
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:05,400
Speaker 1: Oh really? Yeah? Is that good? It's all right, I'll

1115
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:07,960
find it. Well, we should do that. Talk to me

1116
00:54:08,039 --> 00:54:11,719
about a guy who became I'm going to say, for

1117
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:14,199
lack of a better term, somewhat of a folk hero

1118
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:18,280
in a way for Buffalo Bills fans and players and

1119
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:22,280
certainly somebody who should have gotten the recognition he did.

1120
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:24,519
And Tomorrow Hamlet, we were at your house in your

1121
00:54:24,599 --> 00:54:27,480
basement when that game, when we watched all that happen,

1122
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:30,920
and he literally died on the field and brought back.

1123
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:35,400
I thought you'd be insane to go back to a

1124
00:54:35,519 --> 00:54:38,800
game that is all about like pounding you into the earth.

1125
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:44,519
It's just he did. He's successful, he came back, and

1126
00:54:44,639 --> 00:54:46,880
now it looks like he's second on the depth chart.

1127
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:50,679
I didn't think the guy was necessarily a starter sometimes.

1128
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:52,320
I think when we you and I were at the

1129
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:55,400
Denver game, Danny on that Monday night when they when

1130
00:54:55,519 --> 00:54:57,559
Denver kicked and they missed the field goal and the

1131
00:54:57,599 --> 00:54:59,599
Bills would have won by a point. He was a

1132
00:54:59,679 --> 00:55:02,320
twelve guy in the field. So those kinds of things

1133
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:06,519
always stuck with me. But I mean, what do we

1134
00:55:06,639 --> 00:55:10,440
think is Demorrow Hamlin he was? I don't think he

1135
00:55:10,559 --> 00:55:13,000
was ever a starter. And I always say this. I

1136
00:55:13,119 --> 00:55:15,440
prefaced it with this, do you know how good you

1137
00:55:15,599 --> 00:55:18,280
have to be to suck at the NFL? And he

1138
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:19,639
doesn't suck at the NFL? No?

1139
00:55:20,519 --> 00:55:22,800
Speaker 5: Well, I mean, I would say in terms of this camp.

1140
00:55:24,119 --> 00:55:27,880
He has played really, really well. This is the best camp,

1141
00:55:28,519 --> 00:55:30,639
better than last year, better than his rookie year before

1142
00:55:30,679 --> 00:55:34,960
any of the injury. He is playing well. You know.

1143
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:39,440
The thing with him is when he when when when

1144
00:55:39,519 --> 00:55:43,960
everything happened, he came in. Nobody knew who he was, right,

1145
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:46,719
but he was a good solid. He would come over

1146
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:49,440
and talk with us, we'd have small talk. I had

1147
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:51,440
to look him up in the program because I didn't

1148
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:53,519
even know who the hell he was. But he always

1149
00:55:53,519 --> 00:55:56,440
would come over. He'd always say hello. And then next thing,

1150
00:55:56,480 --> 00:55:59,679
you know, Michael Hyde gets hurt. Now he's practicing, now

1151
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:03,559
he's on the active roster, and then he's playing, and

1152
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:07,039
you know, and then everything happens and he becomes tomorrow

1153
00:56:07,039 --> 00:56:09,360
Handlin's we know him today. His his life and everybody's

1154
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:11,159
life changed that night. And we were there. We were

1155
00:56:11,199 --> 00:56:14,599
in the man case, Yeah we were. And and you know,

1156
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:16,800
for him to get back to be able to get

1157
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:19,480
at that same level last year, he was a starter

1158
00:56:19,639 --> 00:56:24,840
for us. You know, the Mars. The Mar's knocked before

1159
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:27,800
everything went down was his speed, right, his foot speed,

1160
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:31,559
his responsiveness, that was his knock. He's worked really hard

1161
00:56:31,559 --> 00:56:34,840
in this offseason. His foot speed, has improved, he's got

1162
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:37,480
better instincts, he's got the he's now a veteran in

1163
00:56:37,519 --> 00:56:40,360
that position. The Bills brought him back, they gave him,

1164
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:42,840
you know, he he he worked hard for the contract

1165
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:45,000
that he has. They got him on a one year

1166
00:56:45,119 --> 00:56:47,159
deal and he's going to prove himself because you know,

1167
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:49,920
last year was his year back after after everything that went,

1168
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:53,360
everything that happened. I thought he's had a great camp

1169
00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:53,800
so far.

1170
00:56:54,039 --> 00:56:54,239
Speaker 1: Good.

1171
00:56:55,559 --> 00:56:59,199
Speaker 5: You know, there there's been one or two times where

1172
00:57:00,039 --> 00:57:02,280
I thought, wow, he's actually gotten a step or two.

1173
00:57:02,559 --> 00:57:05,280
He's actually in the mix. He hasn't missed a step.

1174
00:57:05,719 --> 00:57:07,480
And then there's a situation where all of a sudden,

1175
00:57:07,519 --> 00:57:09,639
it's like he's dragging a bit. You know, he's he's off,

1176
00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:12,199
he's behind, he's on the back shoulder once a little bit,

1177
00:57:12,639 --> 00:57:14,719
and then you see cold Bishop and cold Bishop is

1178
00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:17,400
Actually there aren't as many times where he's he's on

1179
00:57:17,519 --> 00:57:19,480
the back shoulder as opposed to you know, being on

1180
00:57:19,559 --> 00:57:22,239
the front side. And those are the things that they

1181
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:26,079
look at. That's the difference between starting YEP and being

1182
00:57:26,159 --> 00:57:26,599
number two.

1183
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:29,599
Speaker 1: It is it's really it's like a half a step.

1184
00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:35,239
Speaker 5: And and so you know, for me, I was a

1185
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:37,440
big Damar fan before anybody knew who he was, just

1186
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:39,280
because he was always good guy who was come by

1187
00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:42,599
and say hello, always sign autographs for the kids. He

1188
00:57:42,719 --> 00:57:44,599
still does, He still comes by when he can.

1189
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:46,920
Speaker 1: But he you know, he like watched him last year

1190
00:57:47,119 --> 00:57:50,719
that was crazy. Oh yeah, he was just flooded last

1191
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:53,119
year at camp and I would assume much the same

1192
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:53,639
this year.

1193
00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:53,920
Speaker 2: You know.

1194
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:55,719
Speaker 5: And so when you look at when you look at

1195
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:57,760
his talent, you look at what he brings to the table.

1196
00:57:57,760 --> 00:57:59,400
And again in the NFL, man you want to talk

1197
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:03,000
about Rachel, I mean, look at look at Spector. Yeah, Spector,

1198
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:06,639
he's been a guy who's got great talent. He just

1199
00:58:06,719 --> 00:58:09,119
can't stay on the field. The Bills just cut him,

1200
00:58:10,159 --> 00:58:12,719
just cut him. They got they got Buffalo Joe now

1201
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:16,159
in his role, who was a ub guy. And you know,

1202
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:17,840
if you would have said, you know, spect.

1203
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:19,400
Speaker 1: For Buffalo Joe, how great is that?

1204
00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:19,960
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1205
00:58:20,119 --> 00:58:21,320
Speaker 1: I mean killing the guy.

1206
00:58:21,559 --> 00:58:24,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, he came around today. You know, with Spector getting released,

1207
00:58:25,079 --> 00:58:28,320
was kind of like he was a little more comfortable

1208
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:31,199
being there. I think, oh, I think he feels just

1209
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:33,280
like Ray Davis. This year, Ray Davis has signed a

1210
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:36,760
lot more autographs he's much more engaging kind of his personality.

1211
00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:38,679
Last year he just wanted to make the team and

1212
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:40,559
he proved himself. He was a little more comfortable, and

1213
00:58:40,559 --> 00:58:42,760
I think Buffalo joined after inspector getting.

1214
00:58:42,719 --> 00:58:43,599
Speaker 3: A little more comfortable.

1215
00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:45,440
Speaker 1: What do we what do you think is going to

1216
00:58:45,519 --> 00:58:48,280
happen with with Cook? I've read many different things. There's

1217
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:51,519
a they could work out a trade with and I

1218
00:58:51,599 --> 00:58:52,760
forget the team off the top of.

1219
00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:55,119
Speaker 3: The Kyron Williams contract yesterday might.

1220
00:58:55,079 --> 00:58:59,239
Speaker 4: Be precedent for where Jimbo, as they call him, Jimbo

1221
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:01,039
Cook will Land. I don't like Greg get into more

1222
00:59:01,039 --> 00:59:03,840
of that. But Kyral Williams plays for the Rams. Yeah,

1223
00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:05,599
he plays twice as many play He.

1224
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:09,960
Speaker 1: Gets signed for eleven essentially because I was thinking, like

1225
00:59:10,119 --> 00:59:12,480
you go at eleven or ten? It seems okay. And

1226
00:59:12,559 --> 00:59:14,960
I read somewhere that the people think this will work

1227
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:17,639
out and he'll sign a three to five year deal

1228
00:59:18,079 --> 00:59:21,320
forty three million dollars deal. Whether how much is guaranteed,

1229
00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:21,639
I don't know.

1230
00:59:21,719 --> 00:59:24,119
Speaker 4: The difference is Williams is a three down back, but

1231
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:27,719
his production in three downs. Jim James Cook doesn't two downs.

1232
00:59:28,159 --> 00:59:30,280
Speaker 3: So the question is okay, Well, then are you gonna

1233
00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:32,400
pay him a little bit more or is that is

1234
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:33,559
that the floor or what?

1235
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:42,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean Cook's already beans made Cook a solid deal, okay?

1236
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:46,000
And Cook put through the line in the sand. Yeah,

1237
00:59:46,079 --> 00:59:49,519
and said he's Saquon money and he's Derek Henry money,

1238
00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:54,840
and and and as from what I've heard, the the

1239
00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:58,800
offer to him was more than what Williams got, okay.

1240
00:59:59,519 --> 01:00:03,320
Speaker 1: And he said, so meant that may maybe there'll be

1241
01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:07,400
a reconsideration now potentially see what somebody else got this

1242
01:00:07,559 --> 01:00:08,519
year in this market.

1243
01:00:08,719 --> 01:00:11,000
Speaker 5: But the difference is is that you have a brother

1244
01:00:11,599 --> 01:00:13,480
who is he has a brother who was in the

1245
01:00:13,599 --> 01:00:16,239
league and knows this is where he makes his money

1246
01:00:16,719 --> 01:00:20,679
because his life expectancy is not beyond three years. And

1247
01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:24,280
you know, the one thing the Bills did not, as

1248
01:00:24,360 --> 01:00:27,360
I understand, is that they they there was a three

1249
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:31,599
year offer. He wants five. Why because running backs don't

1250
01:00:31,639 --> 01:00:34,360
last nine years in the NFL unless you're Derrick Henry.

1251
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:35,159
Speaker 2: Or or.

1252
01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:37,760
Speaker 3: Christian McCaffrey.

1253
01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:41,039
Speaker 1: Henry, that's a freak, freak freak. So is Christian McCaffrey,

1254
01:00:41,039 --> 01:00:41,440
by the way.

1255
01:00:41,320 --> 01:00:45,679
Speaker 3: But CHRISTI McCaffrey hurt a lot, got hurt, He's got hurt.

1256
01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:48,519
Speaker 5: And by the way, his brother after he signed his

1257
01:00:48,559 --> 01:00:53,360
big contract, he didn't play another full year ever. You know,

1258
01:00:53,519 --> 01:00:58,840
so it's kind of like, you know, it's James Cook

1259
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:03,719
is Actually he's a why humble person. You know, you're

1260
01:01:03,719 --> 01:01:06,159
gonna see video of him probably in the next week

1261
01:01:06,280 --> 01:01:09,679
or so where he comes off looking like he's an arrogant,

1262
01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:13,360
standoffish prick, but he's really not. He's I don't think

1263
01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:14,119
he is either.

1264
01:01:14,199 --> 01:01:17,360
Speaker 1: And the other thing is we can all make these

1265
01:01:17,719 --> 01:01:21,760
assessments and judgments of somebody in a position that we've

1266
01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:25,199
never played. Yeah, I've never been on an and I've

1267
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:28,639
never had people that are the biggest you can find

1268
01:01:29,199 --> 01:01:32,199
on the planet running at me and trying to knock

1269
01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:35,079
the ball out of my hand or just plant me

1270
01:01:35,119 --> 01:01:38,960
in the dirt. So I always think with these things, yeah,

1271
01:01:39,199 --> 01:01:41,119
you hold out to see what you can get. I

1272
01:01:41,159 --> 01:01:45,840
don't blame anybody. It's America. We're a capitalist society, I mean,

1273
01:01:46,519 --> 01:01:47,320
and I'm all for it.

1274
01:01:47,599 --> 01:01:52,159
Speaker 5: I think James Cook has played this perfectly, okay. Is

1275
01:01:52,199 --> 01:01:55,159
that he came in the camp he did. He proved

1276
01:01:55,239 --> 01:01:57,320
he was in shape, he proved that he was fit.

1277
01:01:58,119 --> 01:02:01,000
He's probably you know, his foot speed, quickness, the first

1278
01:02:01,039 --> 01:02:06,119
three days were he he shined, he was the best, Yeah, Josh,

1279
01:02:06,360 --> 01:02:08,039
and then you had Cook. Those are the two best

1280
01:02:08,039 --> 01:02:11,840
players on the field when he was there. And then

1281
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:14,920
it's like, I don't need to prove myself. He's proven

1282
01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:17,360
to the team, he's ready to play. He's proven to

1283
01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:19,639
the rest of the NFL. He's ready to play. Why

1284
01:02:19,679 --> 01:02:22,360
would he then jeopardize his legs, which is what his

1285
01:02:22,519 --> 01:02:27,760
lifeline is to play in practice, it's practice, as as

1286
01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:31,119
Ai the original AI would say, Yeah, I love it,

1287
01:02:31,519 --> 01:02:33,239
as the original AI would say.

1288
01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:39,400
Speaker 1: It's practice. I would recommend anybody watch the documentary. It's

1289
01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:43,039
a docuseries kind of of the rebuilding of Reebok with

1290
01:02:43,360 --> 01:02:47,119
Shack at Ai shacks the president. Ai is the vice president.

1291
01:02:47,239 --> 01:02:50,000
It's really interesting. It was well done. Yeah, it was

1292
01:02:50,159 --> 01:02:53,039
very well done. And I thought Ai came off pretty good.

1293
01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:55,760
A little more shy, a little more reserve, and I

1294
01:02:55,840 --> 01:02:56,880
think he's a little more.

1295
01:02:57,719 --> 01:03:00,880
Speaker 5: If you made the connection yet on all and then

1296
01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:04,039
the the Bills thing when they went into UH, when

1297
01:03:04,079 --> 01:03:05,800
they went into the when they went into the draft,

1298
01:03:05,880 --> 01:03:07,079
did you make that connection yet?

1299
01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:08,280
Speaker 1: I did not?

1300
01:03:08,440 --> 01:03:11,519
Speaker 5: Come on, come on, guys, with a I in the schedule,

1301
01:03:12,559 --> 01:03:14,800
Remember how when being there was a release from the

1302
01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:18,559
Bills and Old said and it was and they I

1303
01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:25,440
and then he called Josh Allen and Josh said, hey,

1304
01:03:26,239 --> 01:03:29,079
just use AI. So yeah, now who did Josh sign

1305
01:03:29,199 --> 01:03:30,079
with in the off season?

1306
01:03:31,039 --> 01:03:36,079
Speaker 1: Did he sign with bach? I know he signed with Rebo?

1307
01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:36,519
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1308
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:40,639
Speaker 1: Oh that's amazing. Oh wow, So he pulled some strings

1309
01:03:40,719 --> 01:03:44,360
because that was a really cute hype video for the schedule.

1310
01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:49,199
Speaker 5: Really a man, Josh, Josh, Josh and his team and

1311
01:03:49,360 --> 01:03:53,519
Halley have they really they think of everything. And that's

1312
01:03:53,639 --> 01:03:56,000
just kind of the way that they are. That's that's him.

1313
01:03:56,079 --> 01:04:00,280
And he's that genuine you know, he's he's a he's

1314
01:04:00,280 --> 01:04:03,280
an old he's an older man in the young kid's body.

1315
01:04:03,400 --> 01:04:05,840
He was a young kid. He's a kid, right and

1316
01:04:06,159 --> 01:04:08,039
and but yeah, you look at that, and that whole

1317
01:04:08,119 --> 01:04:09,400
thing is like full circle ship.

1318
01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:11,079
Speaker 1: It's funny because I'm a young kid in an old

1319
01:04:11,119 --> 01:04:11,880
man's body.

1320
01:04:13,039 --> 01:04:15,920
Speaker 3: Not wearing like rebox spikes during Bills games.

1321
01:04:16,239 --> 01:04:17,719
Speaker 5: Well he can't because he can't run.

1322
01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:18,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, he can't.

1323
01:04:18,880 --> 01:04:22,840
Speaker 5: So everything outside of everything outside of the field, Well,

1324
01:04:22,920 --> 01:04:26,719
you remember, you remember what Nike did right with Kelly, Well, no,

1325
01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:30,000
what Nike did with Michael Jordans. Yes, Nike said, we'll

1326
01:04:30,039 --> 01:04:32,880
pay every fine of his that the NBA because he

1327
01:04:33,039 --> 01:04:34,079
wasn't he's supposed to wear.

1328
01:04:34,039 --> 01:04:37,440
Speaker 1: Converts was they did, and then when they won and

1329
01:04:37,559 --> 01:04:41,519
it was the Olympic, the Olympics, he covered with the flat.

1330
01:04:42,239 --> 01:04:44,599
He was super loyal to that, I mean, and why

1331
01:04:44,639 --> 01:04:45,719
wouldn't he be my god?

1332
01:04:46,119 --> 01:04:49,119
Speaker 5: And again, Josh, it's a throwback kid man. He loves movies,

1333
01:04:49,199 --> 01:04:52,880
he loves nostalgia. And it's like, you know, Reebok was

1334
01:04:52,960 --> 01:04:53,679
the thing back.

1335
01:04:53,599 --> 01:04:56,800
Speaker 3: In the day that was Shacks, that was Shack's company.

1336
01:04:56,920 --> 01:04:58,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, well it is now.

1337
01:04:58,760 --> 01:05:01,440
Speaker 3: But he like, like everybody else was doing Nike and

1338
01:05:01,480 --> 01:05:03,719
I'm like, hey, Shack, rebox it right here. Yeah, I

1339
01:05:03,800 --> 01:05:05,320
remember I had a pair of those shoes.

1340
01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:07,280
Speaker 1: Yeah you did the Shack show.

1341
01:05:07,360 --> 01:05:09,559
Speaker 3: Yeah at that? Oh yeah, I loved I loved Shack.

1342
01:05:09,639 --> 01:05:11,519
Speaker 5: And then you look at what Ja's done. I mean,

1343
01:05:11,639 --> 01:05:17,159
Jay has an equity ownership of New Era. It's a

1344
01:05:17,239 --> 01:05:18,239
family owned company.

1345
01:05:18,360 --> 01:05:19,199
Speaker 1: So let me just say this.

1346
01:05:19,559 --> 01:05:22,239
Speaker 5: The Cook family owns it and they gave Josh Allen

1347
01:05:22,679 --> 01:05:26,400
a ownership equity ownership in a family owned company.

1348
01:05:26,519 --> 01:05:30,960
Speaker 1: So there is a young woman, uh, maybe not so

1349
01:05:31,079 --> 01:05:33,840
young anymore. Which she's in her mid forties. Her name,

1350
01:05:34,199 --> 01:05:38,800
her name is Katie Moran. Uh, she is not my sister,

1351
01:05:39,159 --> 01:05:42,920
she is my cousin. Okay, she spells her name kt y.

1352
01:05:43,159 --> 01:05:46,599
My sister was k t I E. She has an

1353
01:05:46,719 --> 01:05:48,920
NBA and has worked for Nike. She's worked for some

1354
01:05:49,119 --> 01:05:52,039
other products and now just a couple of months ago,

1355
01:05:52,079 --> 01:05:54,599
I found out it works for New Era. No kid

1356
01:05:55,039 --> 01:05:57,639
lives in Park City, Utah. Probably handles more of your

1357
01:05:57,679 --> 01:06:00,639
West Coast stuff, sure, but that's uh yeah, so I

1358
01:06:00,719 --> 01:06:03,039
don't know when she'll be in Buffalo, but by I

1359
01:06:03,320 --> 01:06:04,199
planned to find out.

1360
01:06:04,119 --> 01:06:06,639
Speaker 5: Again New Era owned by a it's a privately hut

1361
01:06:06,679 --> 01:06:09,920
comedy owned by a family in Buffalo, New York. It's

1362
01:06:09,960 --> 01:06:13,320
actually Derby, New York. And Derby, yes, Derby, the Cook family.

1363
01:06:13,840 --> 01:06:15,679
Speaker 1: Who even heard it? How big is Derby?

1364
01:06:16,079 --> 01:06:19,719
Speaker 4: Derby's between Angola and Hamburg. And it's a tiny, little,

1365
01:06:19,880 --> 01:06:24,280
tiny little village on the lake. Okay, and uh yeah,

1366
01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:26,920
I mean it's on Route five. The plant used to

1367
01:06:26,920 --> 01:06:28,480
be on Route five. I don't if it's still there,

1368
01:06:29,000 --> 01:06:33,199
but oh yeah, like my cousin John Miller's, my cousin

1369
01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:35,639
John Miller's grandmother like worked for New Era I don't

1370
01:06:35,639 --> 01:06:37,880
know she I think she was, you know, pretty high up.

1371
01:06:38,159 --> 01:06:39,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, well they I mean it used to be new

1372
01:06:39,599 --> 01:06:42,440
era stadium, right, They were paying for all the nights.

1373
01:06:42,360 --> 01:06:44,119
Speaker 4: And when they laid everybody off, they handed like, we

1374
01:06:44,159 --> 01:06:45,679
can't have her name on the stadium anymore.

1375
01:06:46,920 --> 01:06:48,519
Speaker 1: We will take a moment. I still want to get

1376
01:06:48,519 --> 01:06:51,239
to the AFC East rival and uh and then some

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Speaker 3: Ladies and gentleman pra spree Steed.

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Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen. Josh Allen would have been nice. I

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like so don't know. By the way, I love that venue.

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I'm a very venue, A big fan of that venue.

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They've done such a nice job over the years, maintaining

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expanding a little bit.

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Speaker 5: And Sarah's done a great job over there. They got

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a great show this year. That I mean, their lineup

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for this summer has been fantastic.

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Speaker 3: Well, they hid bad Lads, did a few songs. Who's

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01:10:27,560 --> 01:10:30,640
the lead singer of the Killers, Brendan Flowers. Yeah, he

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01:10:30,720 --> 01:10:32,760
looks like he could be here, but he has not

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aged in twenty years.

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Speaker 1: And you know what he looks like is uh? Who's

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01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:38,840
the comic? He was a writer for Esson Alum. Then

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he went on to be very no. I'll figure that later,

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but she told me he was an accountant. I want

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to believe it. I feel like Bruce and Away. And

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I don't know if this is even accurate or not,

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but it's sort of had a I Bob Dylan asked

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in terms of the writing, right was writing about his life?

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Where Dylan was writing. I love the Dylan movie. I

1447
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thought it was fantastic.

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Speaker 5: I haven't seen it yet.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I see it if if you can, because it

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only takes you up to when he goes electric at

1451
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what was the New Orleans or the Rhode Island. I

1452
01:11:24,119 --> 01:11:25,840
think it was up in the Rhode Island the Newport

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Jazz Festival, and he went electric there. People were pissed.

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And it's still like it was very controversial at the time,

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but all everything up to that point was really interesting.

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Speaker 5: So you got to make yourself relevant.

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Speaker 1: Jude, look at you. I'd be so nervous to sing

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with like somebody like you know what I mean, not

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that I have that talent, but you do you do it?

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Speaker 3: I could.

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Speaker 1: I think Danny underestimates it's very talented.

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Speaker 5: Think what's interesting is it. I've watched people now around

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Josh who are you know, seasoned business veterans in Rochester

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and Buffalo, even politicians, and Josh walks up and people

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01:12:09,039 --> 01:12:16,319
go wow, like swallow them like they can't talk, and it's, uh,

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you know, it's just an interesting dynamic that when you

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get somebody that's like great, you know, bigger than life,

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01:12:22,760 --> 01:12:25,880
you think, and then and he's such a goofball and

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he makes you know, he's so you know, I'll say, disarming.

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Is that you just kind of like if you have

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a teenage son, then you can talk to Josh Allen.

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Speaker 1: You can talk Josh because he really is.

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01:12:37,840 --> 01:12:40,960
Speaker 5: Like this happy, go lucky good guy and he just

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loves and any any like stupid trivia when it comes

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to movies or different things. He's that guy. Like when

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01:12:47,199 --> 01:12:49,640
you watch Hard Knocks, he's talk he's talking to Terry Pagoula.

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He's looking for things to like be able to like

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01:12:52,720 --> 01:12:55,920
talk about, to be like funny and quip and and

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and that. You know, that's what when you have a

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superstar like him that has that groundedness, I mean it's transformational.

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I mean it's unique.

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Speaker 3: He was talking about gravity. At one point. I was like,

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what are you talking about?

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Speaker 1: He was. They were having it that. That's right. They

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did get a little deep.

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Speaker 3: A trifical force or something like that about you brought

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you say.

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Speaker 1: The word grounded. I noticed something because I did go

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to training camp and I noticed something that I'm wondering

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if it'll be featured on Hard Knocks or not. And

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I'm gonna call it grounding where they had players with

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some of the trainers walking around barefoot on the field.

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And I'm just telling you from because I have another

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podcast called Bill Lightman where we talk more about the spiritual,

1495
01:13:49,439 --> 01:13:52,600
worldly kind of stuff. That that's a big thing, like

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they're even in Australia.

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Speaker 5: Now it's not a trainer.

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Speaker 1: Oh, it's not a trainer. Well, I watched a couple

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guys and I go, that's an interesting thing because there

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are times while I will grab a cup of coffee

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and walk out my front door and just walk on

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the grass in the morning early on. But I've been

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doing that, Tod and Mat, I've been doing that for years.

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But it was weird to see them do it. Like

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I'm watching Greg after am I and I'm standing there.

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I was a guest of Doctor Rice who threw fishers

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and yes, you were at his house. He is the

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01:14:25,000 --> 01:14:28,159
head of the mental health the farmer over there and

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01:14:28,680 --> 01:14:31,359
we're watching it and I went wow, and he goes, yeah,

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01:14:31,359 --> 01:14:33,960
they're grounding these guys, and I go, that's an interesting thing.

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01:14:34,000 --> 01:14:37,800
It's almost like you can feel your This is gonna

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01:14:37,800 --> 01:14:40,279
sound really weird and kind of queer. You're like one

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with the earth, but you can feel the Earth's vibrations.

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There's a greater connection to the ground. There's a little

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01:14:44,520 --> 01:14:47,920
more grounding for you, it brings you sort of down

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01:14:48,279 --> 01:14:52,119
a dirt. Yes, but I mean yes, but but I

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01:14:52,199 --> 01:14:54,600
thought that was interesting. I hadn't seen that anywhere, and

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01:14:54,680 --> 01:14:56,520
there were a couple a number of players doing it,

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and I thought it was a trainer, not a trainer.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's part of their you know, it's the Mac

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Collins effect.

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Speaker 1: Actually is it really is?

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Speaker 5: And then they've got a you know, I guess I'll

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01:15:07,119 --> 01:15:11,000
say a team psychologist that in part of it with

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01:15:11,279 --> 01:15:14,119
Mac brought to the whole whole team and just the

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01:15:14,199 --> 01:15:17,439
whole concept of like being grounded and getting in touch

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01:15:17,479 --> 01:15:19,319
with yourself is like touching.

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Speaker 3: The earth, you know.

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01:15:22,199 --> 01:15:23,880
Speaker 1: But it's really I think it's so true.

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Speaker 5: And I can tell you after practice there are multiple

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01:15:26,439 --> 01:15:30,479
players that walk the field and having to have someone

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01:15:30,520 --> 01:15:33,159
they talk to as are going up and down, and

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01:15:33,319 --> 01:15:35,640
what they're doing is that they're talking about practice, the

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01:15:35,760 --> 01:15:40,079
things that happen in practice, the things that occurred, how

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01:15:40,159 --> 01:15:42,680
it occurred, what they would do differently, how they prepare

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01:15:42,720 --> 01:15:45,359
for the next day. And and again I mean in

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terms of dealing with life, is that those are the

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things that you should be, you should do in terms

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01:15:51,439 --> 01:15:54,520
of enjoy, enjoy the moment and prepare for the future.

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Speaker 1: That's a really good it was. It was interesting to me.

1541
01:15:57,640 --> 01:15:59,720
It stood out to me. I don't know how many

1542
01:15:59,800 --> 01:16:02,079
other fans picked up on it. I was curious to

1543
01:16:02,079 --> 01:16:04,800
see if HBO Hard Knocks, excuse me, if Hard Knocks

1544
01:16:04,840 --> 01:16:07,039
would pick up on that. But I don't know. I

1545
01:16:07,119 --> 01:16:09,159
don't even know if it's that interesting to other people.

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Speaker 5: I can tell you I haven't because of the players

1547
01:16:12,199 --> 01:16:15,279
that are participating, I have not seen hard Knocks out

1548
01:16:15,319 --> 01:16:17,359
there with them when they do that. Okay, yeah, I

1549
01:16:17,359 --> 01:16:22,479
would think probably, but it's you know, I've had an

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01:16:22,479 --> 01:16:25,760
opportunity to get exposed to some of the players. You know,

1551
01:16:26,680 --> 01:16:29,800
they call them island players in the NFL, guys that

1552
01:16:29,840 --> 01:16:33,680
are out there, and a lot of what those guys

1553
01:16:33,720 --> 01:16:38,560
are doing these days are all mental health, mental preparation,

1554
01:16:39,319 --> 01:16:43,640
positive thinking, positive perspective, getting grounded, being a part of

1555
01:16:44,159 --> 01:16:49,840
like the I'm gonna say centripical force of the world,

1556
01:16:51,000 --> 01:16:54,359
but but being being control of yourself as opposed to

1557
01:16:54,439 --> 01:16:58,000
the external world controlling you your thoughts in your manner.

1558
01:16:59,199 --> 01:17:01,680
And when you talk about these island players in the NFL,

1559
01:17:01,840 --> 01:17:04,960
which are guys like the punter, the kicker, the snapper,

1560
01:17:06,439 --> 01:17:09,960
Josh you know, the defensive backs, the guys that are

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01:17:09,960 --> 01:17:12,199
out there on an island that aren't in that that

1562
01:17:12,399 --> 01:17:15,159
have some individual responsibilities that these are things these guys

1563
01:17:15,199 --> 01:17:17,199
are trying to focus on because there's a lot of

1564
01:17:17,239 --> 01:17:20,359
pressure on you, you know, Trdavious White, he's one on

1565
01:17:20,560 --> 01:17:24,920
one with you know, you know, with Ti Kill. If

1566
01:17:24,960 --> 01:17:28,720
he runs and gets burnt, everybody sees Tredevius White running

1567
01:17:28,760 --> 01:17:30,840
after him. They don't see the other ten guys that

1568
01:17:31,000 --> 01:17:34,239
didn't necessarily do their job necessarily. And it's a different

1569
01:17:34,279 --> 01:17:36,359
mindset to be able to prepare for it and then

1570
01:17:36,520 --> 01:17:38,119
respond to it when it doesn't go the way you

1571
01:17:38,239 --> 01:17:41,800
hope or expect. And Mac Collins, I would attribute Mac

1572
01:17:41,840 --> 01:17:45,600
Collins to bringing that as part of I'd say Sean

1573
01:17:45,680 --> 01:17:48,800
mcnummer's evolution as a coach and helping his team prepare

1574
01:17:48,920 --> 01:17:52,800
and giving them the opportunities prepare for to be as

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01:17:52,800 --> 01:17:54,079
successful as they possibly can.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought, I thought it was just very interesting

1577
01:17:55,920 --> 01:17:59,479
and very open, right open to these ideas. Mac no

1578
01:17:59,600 --> 01:18:02,720
longer with the Buffalo Bills. He's with a goddamn Patriots case,

1579
01:18:02,840 --> 01:18:05,920
and that is where my concern comes in. They've been

1580
01:18:06,000 --> 01:18:09,720
having joint practices with the Commanders. They're going to play

1581
01:18:09,720 --> 01:18:13,359
the Commanders in their first preseason game this weekend. Rabel

1582
01:18:13,520 --> 01:18:16,359
is their new head coach. Yeah, there was a scrum

1583
01:18:16,600 --> 01:18:19,880
on the field between the Commanders and the and he

1584
01:18:20,039 --> 01:18:22,279
jumped in the middle and he got punched in the

1585
01:18:22,359 --> 01:18:24,840
face and had blood dripping down his face and all

1586
01:18:24,920 --> 01:18:29,000
this stuff. And what concerns me is like, he's going

1587
01:18:29,079 --> 01:18:32,079
to rally the fucking troops Greg because they know he

1588
01:18:32,319 --> 01:18:35,000
was a player. He played fourteen years in the league.

1589
01:18:35,039 --> 01:18:36,800
He played with the Chiefs, he played with the Patriots.

1590
01:18:36,840 --> 01:18:38,359
I forget the other team. There was a third team.

1591
01:18:38,359 --> 01:18:40,640
I believe in there and this guy, and I go,

1592
01:18:41,239 --> 01:18:44,199
he is going to turn this team around, and I

1593
01:18:44,359 --> 01:18:45,119
don't want him to.

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01:18:46,159 --> 01:18:49,359
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I think at this point right now

1595
01:18:49,680 --> 01:18:52,800
is that I think the Patriots are a team. The

1596
01:18:52,840 --> 01:18:55,960
Patriots are a team that will win games because they

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01:18:56,039 --> 01:18:59,079
had him as a coach. Yeah, but they don't have

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01:18:59,239 --> 01:19:02,279
the talent and they don't have they don't they don't

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have the people they need in the right spots yet.

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But if that team gets some turnovers, Dan, Yeah, this

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01:19:09,319 --> 01:19:11,920
is when they're they're in a game, they're dangerous. They're

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01:19:11,920 --> 01:19:13,439
a score or two down, and then they get a

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01:19:13,479 --> 01:19:16,159
turnover in the second half and they're they're within one score.

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01:19:16,920 --> 01:19:19,840
They can make things happen that they can upset a

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01:19:19,880 --> 01:19:20,359
team or two.

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Speaker 3: I think the Patriots.

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01:19:22,920 --> 01:19:25,159
Speaker 4: If the Bills may have a few losses this year,

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01:19:25,439 --> 01:19:27,479
the Patriots will definitely be one of them if they do.

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01:19:28,039 --> 01:19:30,039
And the reason is because the Patriots always played the

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01:19:30,039 --> 01:19:32,680
Bills tough. With the Belichick, they played them tough. I

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01:19:32,720 --> 01:19:35,239
mean in New England. You know, well they beat him

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01:19:35,239 --> 01:19:35,960
in Buffalo.

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Speaker 3: In that one game where they do the ball but no, no,

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01:19:39,720 --> 01:19:46,920
I mean, but still they still beat them Mets. No,

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01:19:47,000 --> 01:19:49,600
they had the touchdown that the touchdown run on that one.

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01:19:49,800 --> 01:19:50,159
Speaker 1: But I mean.

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01:19:50,239 --> 01:19:52,279
Speaker 3: The point is, though, is that.

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01:19:53,479 --> 01:19:55,560
Speaker 4: The Patriots are always tough. Vrabel's always be a good

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01:19:55,560 --> 01:19:57,039
coach when he was in Tennessee. The reason he's no

1620
01:19:57,119 --> 01:19:59,720
longer coaching in Tennessee's because the owner like was walking

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01:19:59,760 --> 01:20:02,359
on shells around him, and finally she was like the

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01:20:02,479 --> 01:20:05,279
real the original or died his daughter takes over the team,

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01:20:05,319 --> 01:20:06,640
and she's like, I can't deal with this guy.

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01:20:06,720 --> 01:20:08,680
Speaker 3: He's too neanderthalish. He needs to go.

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01:20:08,920 --> 01:20:11,439
Speaker 4: Because apparently, like everyone was walking out eggshells around Frable

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01:20:11,600 --> 01:20:12,319
he's pretty intense.

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01:20:12,319 --> 01:20:13,399
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know if you saw the press

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01:20:13,439 --> 01:20:14,600
conference last week that.

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Speaker 4: Went viral when the guy he's at the press conference,

1630
01:20:17,520 --> 01:20:20,319
the media guy asked the same question that the previous

1631
01:20:20,399 --> 01:20:23,920
guy asked. So Frabel like kind of get snarky with him.

1632
01:20:23,960 --> 01:20:25,399
It says, well, I don't know if you were in

1633
01:20:25,399 --> 01:20:27,600
a como and I just answered that question recently.

1634
01:20:27,840 --> 01:20:29,359
Speaker 3: So in ESPN they're like, I don't like when they

1635
01:20:29,520 --> 01:20:29,880
do that.

1636
01:20:30,680 --> 01:20:36,760
Speaker 1: It's a great answer. He asked the question, you answered

1637
01:20:36,800 --> 01:20:37,359
the question with it.

1638
01:20:38,000 --> 01:20:45,359
Speaker 5: But he accountable and that's why coaches are successful. Like

1639
01:20:45,439 --> 01:20:48,479
Sean McDermott has some of that. Rabel has that. That's

1640
01:20:48,479 --> 01:20:49,800
why he was successful in Tennessee.

1641
01:20:49,960 --> 01:20:52,399
Speaker 4: Yes, he's smart, like he would have a smart Belichick

1642
01:20:52,399 --> 01:20:54,600
when they would play him. I mean, Loo's gonna give

1643
01:20:54,600 --> 01:20:57,039
the Bills problems. They're gonna be good this year and

1644
01:20:57,239 --> 01:20:57,880
Drake May.

1645
01:20:57,840 --> 01:20:58,640
Speaker 5: They're gonna be better.

1646
01:20:58,880 --> 01:21:00,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm not I'm not saying that they're gonna over

1647
01:21:00,800 --> 01:21:04,079
They're not gonna win the division, but I think they're gonna.

1648
01:21:03,880 --> 01:21:04,439
Speaker 3: Make the playoffs.

1649
01:21:04,880 --> 01:21:05,680
Speaker 1: I think the Patriots do.

1650
01:21:05,800 --> 01:21:08,960
Speaker 3: I think the Patriots gonna make the playoffs over over

1651
01:21:09,039 --> 01:21:09,800
the Dolphin.

1652
01:21:09,479 --> 01:21:12,000
Speaker 4: There's always four to six teams. I think Miami's toast.

1653
01:21:12,039 --> 01:21:14,439
I think McDaniel they don't respect them. They're saying now

1654
01:21:14,479 --> 01:21:16,600
that people are holding each other more accountable into it

1655
01:21:16,680 --> 01:21:19,840
in Miami. Yeah, let's wait until September. Let's wait until

1656
01:21:19,840 --> 01:21:21,920
Tua could play an entire season healthy. I don't I

1657
01:21:22,000 --> 01:21:24,800
think this is uh Mike McDaniel's last year in Miami.

1658
01:21:25,119 --> 01:21:26,640
I don't think he becomes a head coach again. I

1659
01:21:26,680 --> 01:21:28,880
think he goes back to being an offensive coordinator, perhaps

1660
01:21:28,960 --> 01:21:31,119
in San Francisco under Kyle Shanahan.

1661
01:21:31,560 --> 01:21:33,079
Speaker 3: I don't see him last.

1662
01:21:33,520 --> 01:21:38,039
Speaker 4: There's always four to six teams that didn't make the

1663
01:21:38,039 --> 01:21:39,680
playoffs the year before that make it back.

1664
01:21:39,720 --> 01:21:41,079
Speaker 3: I think New England's going to be one of them.

1665
01:21:41,319 --> 01:21:43,880
Speaker 4: And if the Bills, like I've said, they could go undefeated,

1666
01:21:43,920 --> 01:21:45,960
I'm not saying they will. I said they're favored in

1667
01:21:46,000 --> 01:21:48,079
every game, but usually they lose about three or four games.

1668
01:21:48,239 --> 01:21:50,680
New England will be one of them if they're probably

1669
01:21:50,760 --> 01:21:52,079
in Foxborough, not in Buffalo.

1670
01:21:52,640 --> 01:21:54,520
Speaker 3: But I could see that. Yeah, I mean, you got what,

1671
01:21:54,680 --> 01:21:55,319
let's be a jack.

1672
01:21:55,439 --> 01:21:58,239
Speaker 1: It's just talking about, like you know, a leader to

1673
01:21:58,399 --> 01:22:02,039
jump in and get beat up like that's.

1674
01:22:02,239 --> 01:22:05,680
Speaker 3: He's a huge Campbell except experience.

1675
01:22:05,760 --> 01:22:08,560
Speaker 1: Dan Campbell is another one, right, you see this stuff.

1676
01:22:08,960 --> 01:22:11,680
Speaker 3: But Rabel's always been a bright dude, always been a

1677
01:22:11,760 --> 01:22:12,800
bright And I'm not saying that.

1678
01:22:13,039 --> 01:22:15,960
Speaker 1: I'm thinking you go beyond the extras and os. You're

1679
01:22:16,119 --> 01:22:18,600
in there, you're in the fight with them, right that

1680
01:22:18,880 --> 01:22:19,720
that's that's different.

1681
01:22:20,079 --> 01:22:22,920
Speaker 5: The interesting thing for me is how does he manage

1682
01:22:23,800 --> 01:22:29,880
how does he manage the cancer that Stephan Diggs brings

1683
01:22:30,560 --> 01:22:31,199
great question.

1684
01:22:31,560 --> 01:22:33,640
Speaker 3: By the way, as predicted here, he's still on the roster.

1685
01:22:34,600 --> 01:22:36,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, you did say that. I thought he was.

1686
01:22:36,319 --> 01:22:37,920
Speaker 3: He's not like, nothing's gonna happen to stuff on.

1687
01:22:38,720 --> 01:22:42,199
Speaker 5: Lose after He's always good for a year he comes in.

1688
01:22:44,479 --> 01:22:50,239
Speaker 4: Canell be the one thing you have to remember when

1689
01:22:50,680 --> 01:22:53,119
like Billy Bean, who was the general manager of the

1690
01:22:53,159 --> 01:22:57,920
Oakland A's, he's moneyball, moneyball. He was the perpetrator of moneyball, right,

1691
01:22:58,319 --> 01:23:01,039
and nobody in the organization ship would mess with him

1692
01:23:01,039 --> 01:23:03,079
because they knew that he was the alpha male in

1693
01:23:03,159 --> 01:23:07,880
the organization Giombi's. They wouldn't mess with him like Miguel Tahata,

1694
01:23:08,159 --> 01:23:11,000
none of like Moulder and uh and Barry.

1695
01:23:11,039 --> 01:23:12,319
Speaker 3: See, you don't know, nobody.

1696
01:23:12,039 --> 01:23:13,960
Speaker 4: Would f with that guy because they knew he was

1697
01:23:14,000 --> 01:23:17,239
the toughest MOFO in the organization. So whatever he said

1698
01:23:17,319 --> 01:23:19,960
went down. Whoever the alpha male is in the organization,

1699
01:23:20,079 --> 01:23:22,920
they will follow. And Rabel is the alpha male in

1700
01:23:23,000 --> 01:23:26,079
that organization. No one's crossing that dude, No, not even

1701
01:23:26,119 --> 01:23:28,520
Stefan Diggs. And if Stephan Diggs.

1702
01:23:28,279 --> 01:23:31,560
Speaker 3: Wants to there's the door. I think he'll.

1703
01:23:31,640 --> 01:23:33,600
Speaker 4: I think he'll play his way through the season unless

1704
01:23:33,640 --> 01:23:35,199
he gets hurt like he did in Houston. But I

1705
01:23:35,800 --> 01:23:38,119
but in all seriousness, I think he will mind his

1706
01:23:38,239 --> 01:23:40,079
p's and q's for speaking with.

1707
01:23:40,960 --> 01:23:46,199
Speaker 1: Much since camp is open. Yeah, I mean nothing that's

1708
01:23:46,239 --> 01:23:47,640
been grabbing the headlines.

1709
01:23:47,640 --> 01:23:51,359
Speaker 5: I don't know you say that because in Buffalo during

1710
01:23:51,479 --> 01:23:55,079
that time period there was a transition of alpha. Mm hmm, right,

1711
01:23:55,119 --> 01:23:58,399
because alpha was McDermott, Yes, and then Josh came in,

1712
01:23:59,199 --> 01:24:02,560
and Josh had his first year and did well, but

1713
01:24:02,720 --> 01:24:05,039
they needed somebody to that Josh could go to the

1714
01:24:05,119 --> 01:24:08,479
count on and then Stephan Diggs came in, and then

1715
01:24:08,560 --> 01:24:10,720
there was a bit of a question mark is is

1716
01:24:10,760 --> 01:24:13,399
it McDermott, Is it Josh or is it Stefan?

1717
01:24:13,680 --> 01:24:13,800
Speaker 1: Right?

1718
01:24:14,239 --> 01:24:16,279
Speaker 4: And then when Stephan looked back at Josh after he

1719
01:24:16,359 --> 01:24:19,640
dropped a bomb and held his fingers this far apart

1720
01:24:19,760 --> 01:24:22,439
after a year before that, looking at Josh holding him accountable,

1721
01:24:22,439 --> 01:24:25,159
It's like, Okay, bro, you can't you can't back up

1722
01:24:25,199 --> 01:24:25,680
with your talk.

1723
01:24:25,800 --> 01:24:28,439
Speaker 3: You're out. That's true, and they agree with that, and

1724
01:24:28,520 --> 01:24:29,479
they had to send him packing.

1725
01:24:29,600 --> 01:24:31,720
Speaker 4: I agree, but I mean like, but Belichick and Brady

1726
01:24:31,760 --> 01:24:33,560
may have hated each other, but you did not want

1727
01:24:33,560 --> 01:24:35,479
to disappoint either one of those guys in New England

1728
01:24:35,560 --> 01:24:38,359
and in Buffalo. You do not want to disappoint Josh Allen.

1729
01:24:38,439 --> 01:24:40,239
You do not want to disappoint Sean McDermott.

1730
01:24:40,279 --> 01:24:42,159
Speaker 5: I'll throw this question out there, who's the one who

1731
01:24:42,199 --> 01:24:43,760
made the call McDermott or Bean.

1732
01:24:44,079 --> 01:24:47,680
Speaker 1: To get rid of Stephan Diggs. I'm gonna say Dermot

1733
01:24:47,760 --> 01:24:52,199
or Bean. You mean yeah, I'm going to keep Terminta Allen. No, No, Bean,

1734
01:24:52,279 --> 01:24:54,239
I'm gonna say Bean. I'm gonna say Sean McDermott. I'm

1735
01:24:54,239 --> 01:24:56,439
gonna say Bean because he has what I would call

1736
01:24:56,560 --> 01:25:01,079
the ten thousand foot view versus McDermott, who's in the

1737
01:25:01,159 --> 01:25:01,840
fight every day.

1738
01:25:02,000 --> 01:25:04,520
Speaker 5: Because I can tell you Josh was not the guy

1739
01:25:04,600 --> 01:25:07,640
that said he's got to go that's Josh, Josh.

1740
01:25:08,319 --> 01:25:09,439
Speaker 1: Do you know the answer to this.

1741
01:25:09,720 --> 01:25:10,159
Speaker 5: I don't.

1742
01:25:10,279 --> 01:25:13,560
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm saying being only because you're you're you get

1743
01:25:13,600 --> 01:25:16,159
to step back right like a monetue, I would see

1744
01:25:16,199 --> 01:25:18,760
the whole picture. Where as the coach, you're in that

1745
01:25:18,920 --> 01:25:21,560
thing every day and you go, I see what he brings.

1746
01:25:22,279 --> 01:25:24,079
Let's get this play to him. He can get open,

1747
01:25:24,119 --> 01:25:27,479
he can get separation, he can do this. That's the

1748
01:25:27,560 --> 01:25:30,039
other stuff. Do you think it's McDermott, No, I I

1749
01:25:30,239 --> 01:25:32,720
I I think I think you're right. I think with Bean,

1750
01:25:32,920 --> 01:25:35,560
I think Bean sees a big picture. I think McDermott

1751
01:25:35,640 --> 01:25:37,399
is in there and hey, he has a mindset.

1752
01:25:37,439 --> 01:25:40,199
Speaker 5: He wants a certain type of players the coach, and

1753
01:25:40,319 --> 01:25:42,279
I think Bean sees it and knows it and then

1754
01:25:42,319 --> 01:25:44,520
tries to bring him that guy. And I think, I

1755
01:25:44,600 --> 01:25:47,600
think when when when Diggs didn't make the play, Bean

1756
01:25:47,680 --> 01:25:50,000
said he's got to go because he doesn't fit what

1757
01:25:50,159 --> 01:25:52,680
McDermott needs and what we need to have this team

1758
01:25:52,760 --> 01:25:55,520
being which is about each other. And the one thing

1759
01:25:55,560 --> 01:25:58,199
about this team that the more you get around him,

1760
01:25:58,279 --> 01:25:59,880
and as they kind of mature and they get in

1761
01:26:00,079 --> 01:26:02,720
through the years, I think the tighter and the smaller

1762
01:26:02,800 --> 01:26:06,359
they get. I think Josh's circle, you know, you're talking

1763
01:26:06,359 --> 01:26:09,479
about seven people. I think Josh the circle has gotten

1764
01:26:09,600 --> 01:26:12,119
smaller and smaller as it comes in only because he

1765
01:26:12,159 --> 01:26:13,920
sees guys come in and out that we're in and

1766
01:26:14,039 --> 01:26:14,520
then out.

1767
01:26:15,239 --> 01:26:15,359
Speaker 1: Uh.

1768
01:26:15,600 --> 01:26:17,800
Speaker 5: And I think they're trying to do that for him,

1769
01:26:17,840 --> 01:26:20,640
to bring these guys in that fit that they understand it.

1770
01:26:20,720 --> 01:26:21,880
Speaker 1: And it might be for a year.

1771
01:26:22,000 --> 01:26:24,399
Speaker 5: That's what Belichick did, and that's what Belichick did in

1772
01:26:24,680 --> 01:26:27,079
New England. Guys come in, they buy in for a

1773
01:26:27,199 --> 01:26:30,039
year or two because they want they want that ultimate success,

1774
01:26:30,159 --> 01:26:33,399
which is a super Bowl win. And and that's why

1775
01:26:33,479 --> 01:26:35,359
I think what Being and mcdermottd have done is they've

1776
01:26:35,399 --> 01:26:38,399
created the atmosphere and the culture within the Bills organization

1777
01:26:38,560 --> 01:26:41,239
and the NFL that that team is here and as

1778
01:26:41,319 --> 01:26:44,239
long as Josh is there, they always have a chance

1779
01:26:44,279 --> 01:26:44,920
win the super Bowl.

1780
01:26:44,960 --> 01:26:48,239
Speaker 3: Absolutely always. I will I think it's McDermott Here's why.

1781
01:26:48,359 --> 01:26:51,920
Speaker 4: I just I think that Terry Pegoula handed him the

1782
01:26:52,039 --> 01:26:54,520
keys the organization the way Ralph Wilson once handed Tom

1783
01:26:54,560 --> 01:26:57,199
Donaho the keys. Now I'm not saying that that he's

1784
01:26:57,239 --> 01:26:58,960
gonna he made him the club president, but I think

1785
01:26:59,119 --> 01:27:01,359
after Rex Ryan, he needed a stable force in that

1786
01:27:01,600 --> 01:27:04,880
clubhouse and he, let's be honest, we're all men here,

1787
01:27:05,439 --> 01:27:09,079
right and some ladies listening. He's the one who forced

1788
01:27:09,079 --> 01:27:11,439
out that poison in the previous administration. I'm not gonna

1789
01:27:11,520 --> 01:27:13,000
name names, but we know who we're we know who

1790
01:27:13,000 --> 01:27:15,119
we're all talking about. It was mcdermoty who finally put

1791
01:27:15,119 --> 01:27:16,800
his foot down said get the f out of here.

1792
01:27:17,600 --> 01:27:19,319
And I think from that point forward he was the

1793
01:27:19,359 --> 01:27:21,239
one who, Okay, I'm gonna go get my general manager.

1794
01:27:21,560 --> 01:27:23,560
I'm gonna give him directions. I'm gonna let him pick

1795
01:27:23,560 --> 01:27:25,880
the players. But here's kind of way I want it done.

1796
01:27:26,279 --> 01:27:29,640
I think that it's Sean McDermott's team. I think Sean

1797
01:27:29,760 --> 01:27:32,399
McDermot was like after that play with with Stefan Diggs,

1798
01:27:32,439 --> 01:27:34,039
he saw what was going on in practice, like, I

1799
01:27:34,159 --> 01:27:36,199
cannot have a split clubhouse here.

1800
01:27:36,680 --> 01:27:37,279
Speaker 3: I've got it.

1801
01:27:37,479 --> 01:27:39,600
Speaker 4: It's gotta be Josh's team, and I can't have my

1802
01:27:39,680 --> 01:27:42,960
wide receiver FMMF and my quarterback in the biggest game

1803
01:27:43,000 --> 01:27:44,920
of the season when he was given it to him

1804
01:27:44,920 --> 01:27:45,479
the year before.

1805
01:27:45,720 --> 01:27:47,760
Speaker 3: You gotta held accountable too. That's why I think it'll

1806
01:27:47,760 --> 01:27:49,079
be a bit mcdermot's.

1807
01:27:48,600 --> 01:27:52,600
Speaker 1: A very good point. I don't I don't know Shawn's I.

1808
01:27:53,039 --> 01:27:55,760
Speaker 5: Said before year, a couple of years ago, I thought

1809
01:27:56,000 --> 01:27:59,640
Shawn's greatest strength is his loyalty, and his greatest weakness

1810
01:27:59,760 --> 01:28:06,039
was his loyalty. And when when Stefan and Josh had

1811
01:28:06,079 --> 01:28:08,960
the issues that year, and there was you know, they

1812
01:28:09,000 --> 01:28:11,159
didn't talk to each other, and he comes into camp

1813
01:28:11,239 --> 01:28:13,920
and he's all hot in this and that that that's

1814
01:28:14,000 --> 01:28:16,960
not Sean. And and with James Cook right now, I

1815
01:28:17,039 --> 01:28:19,680
think James is handling it a little different than Stefan

1816
01:28:19,800 --> 01:28:22,760
dig with that, and I think Sean is respecting it.

1817
01:28:22,880 --> 01:28:25,359
And I think Sean's evolved in terms of like a

1818
01:28:25,479 --> 01:28:28,479
leadership role of understanding that not not everything has to

1819
01:28:28,560 --> 01:28:30,399
be exactly where he wants it, but there is an

1820
01:28:30,479 --> 01:28:34,319
ultimate goal, so you have to manage that. So I

1821
01:28:34,359 --> 01:28:37,039
think he's tolerant of where James is coming from. But

1822
01:28:37,199 --> 01:28:39,680
in the end, Sean's gonna put the guys on the

1823
01:28:39,760 --> 01:28:42,920
field who are going to win the game and who's

1824
01:28:42,920 --> 01:28:44,720
going to bring a Super Bowl to the Buffalo Bills.

1825
01:28:45,079 --> 01:28:47,760
And you know, I hear all the time about how

1826
01:28:47,920 --> 01:28:50,520
this is Shawn's year. He either puts up or he's gone.

1827
01:28:50,920 --> 01:28:53,640
There's not a chance in hell he's gone unless there's

1828
01:28:53,680 --> 01:28:57,359
a colossal breakup in the locker room, like and they

1829
01:28:57,439 --> 01:28:59,880
all bail on him and he makes a horrible decision

1830
01:29:00,239 --> 01:29:03,439
you just can't return from. I don't see it happen.

1831
01:29:03,520 --> 01:29:04,000
Speaker 3: I don't see it.

1832
01:29:04,279 --> 01:29:07,720
Speaker 4: The only thing other than that was, you know how

1833
01:29:07,800 --> 01:29:10,439
Rex got his ticket out, and that was like deciding

1834
01:29:10,479 --> 01:29:13,039
to punt in an overtime game where a tie would

1835
01:29:13,079 --> 01:29:14,960
have cost him a playoff berth, and he decided to

1836
01:29:15,000 --> 01:29:15,600
play for the tie.

1837
01:29:15,640 --> 01:29:18,840
Speaker 3: And he didn't know that. He didn't know the the

1838
01:29:19,479 --> 01:29:22,319
playoff break breakdown. He didn't know that.

1839
01:29:22,399 --> 01:29:24,479
Speaker 4: It also they canned in the day after Christmas because

1840
01:29:24,479 --> 01:29:25,960
he didn't understand that a tie.

1841
01:29:26,840 --> 01:29:32,000
Speaker 5: Sean McDermott, in my opinion, sorry damn Sean would know that.

1842
01:29:32,319 --> 01:29:34,680
Speaker 4: But but here's the thing I'm going with this, Sean

1843
01:29:34,760 --> 01:29:37,359
didn't know that. The year after Rex, he did it

1844
01:29:37,399 --> 01:29:39,199
against the Colts. The only thing that bailed him out

1845
01:29:39,199 --> 01:29:40,119
in that snowball game.

1846
01:29:40,720 --> 01:29:43,000
Speaker 3: No, it was the Colts game. They were playing for

1847
01:29:43,079 --> 01:29:45,720
a tie. They punted it overtime, and they're like, dude,

1848
01:29:45,720 --> 01:29:49,119
if you tie, you missed the playoffs. The Colts, though, punted.

1849
01:29:49,000 --> 01:29:51,960
Speaker 4: Back to the Bills and they end up winning the game, miraculous,

1850
01:29:52,000 --> 01:29:54,039
and they went on and they eventually got to the playoffs.

1851
01:29:54,359 --> 01:29:57,359
But everybody said after that game, he's just like Rex

1852
01:29:57,399 --> 01:29:59,000
and this was his rookie season.

1853
01:29:58,720 --> 01:30:01,119
Speaker 3: As a head coach. Now they got to the playoffs,

1854
01:30:01,159 --> 01:30:02,800
they got through it. They were working to fire a

1855
01:30:02,800 --> 01:30:04,800
guy in his rookie seasons. No, we're way past that.

1856
01:30:05,479 --> 01:30:07,279
But if something happens like that where it's.

1857
01:30:07,159 --> 01:30:09,880
Speaker 1: Like, wait, Sean, you didn't know that, that might be

1858
01:30:10,039 --> 01:30:11,800
something where he can be like, I don't know, dude,

1859
01:30:11,880 --> 01:30:13,760
I think nowadays, well maybe.

1860
01:30:13,560 --> 01:30:15,399
Speaker 4: He's built up enough equity, but I mean, like now,

1861
01:30:15,479 --> 01:30:17,520
but that would be a huge mistake after all these

1862
01:30:17,600 --> 01:30:18,600
years coming up short.

1863
01:30:18,720 --> 01:30:20,760
Speaker 5: So Dan, I think it's like that. And in your relationship,

1864
01:30:20,880 --> 01:30:23,359
right when you're early in a relationship and you make

1865
01:30:23,439 --> 01:30:27,000
a you make a stupid mistake, right just because you

1866
01:30:27,079 --> 01:30:30,000
don't have the experience in the relationship. If you make

1867
01:30:30,079 --> 01:30:33,520
that same decision five years later and it's the same

1868
01:30:33,600 --> 01:30:36,960
one and you screwed up on it, the tolerance for

1869
01:30:37,039 --> 01:30:39,319
that is is not there. I don't think Sean is

1870
01:30:39,399 --> 01:30:41,720
the type of person who would make the same that

1871
01:30:41,920 --> 01:30:45,079
same decision five years later than he did five years ago.

1872
01:30:45,319 --> 01:30:47,000
Speaker 1: And and I don't think I don't think so.

1873
01:30:47,159 --> 01:30:49,279
Speaker 4: I'm just saying like that'd be the only thing that

1874
01:30:49,359 --> 01:30:51,800
could get him camped, because I'm with you, I don't

1875
01:30:51,800 --> 01:30:52,760
think he's going anywhere.

1876
01:30:52,840 --> 01:30:54,600
Speaker 5: But you got to remember, whenever you think of that

1877
01:30:54,840 --> 01:30:56,800
with the Bills, just think of where the Savers are

1878
01:30:57,119 --> 01:30:59,720
and that's the other team Terry owns. And does you

1879
01:30:59,800 --> 01:31:03,000
think Terry wants to go to that circle with the Bills? Again?

1880
01:31:03,119 --> 01:31:03,520
Speaker 3: Do people?

1881
01:31:03,840 --> 01:31:09,239
Speaker 4: Do people realize that Terry Pegoula eventually replaced Lindy Rouff

1882
01:31:10,640 --> 01:31:11,720
with Lindy Ruff.

1883
01:31:15,720 --> 01:31:17,920
Speaker 1: But I kind of like Lindy, I love you. I

1884
01:31:17,960 --> 01:31:19,840
don't think he's a bad coach. I love it right,

1885
01:31:19,920 --> 01:31:21,119
And I don't even really know hockey.

1886
01:31:21,279 --> 01:31:23,399
Speaker 3: It was not about coaching as much as this about

1887
01:31:23,399 --> 01:31:26,039
the guys on the ice. Yes, who's buying the groceries?

1888
01:31:27,840 --> 01:31:28,600
We know who.

1889
01:31:30,199 --> 01:31:32,640
Speaker 1: Let me? Uh, we'll close it out. I want to.

1890
01:31:32,880 --> 01:31:35,039
I'll change this up a little bit because Greg sent

1891
01:31:35,159 --> 01:31:38,600
me a really nice message when my dad passed and

1892
01:31:38,720 --> 01:31:41,239
it was, uh, we now have that in common to

1893
01:31:41,680 --> 01:31:44,239
and Danny has lost his dad. And I'll just ask

1894
01:31:44,279 --> 01:31:47,199
you this, what did it do for you when when

1895
01:31:47,439 --> 01:31:49,560
you lost your dad? And I asked that because I

1896
01:31:49,960 --> 01:31:54,960
feel like I need I am and I need to

1897
01:31:55,039 --> 01:32:00,279
continue to step up my game. And I don't know

1898
01:32:00,319 --> 01:32:02,680
what it is. It's like I've made some pretty significant

1899
01:32:02,760 --> 01:32:06,279
changes in certain relationships, have drum boundaries in certain areas,

1900
01:32:06,680 --> 01:32:11,279
and I don't know it's all been around that. Would

1901
01:32:11,319 --> 01:32:14,640
it have happened anyway? Maybe, but it certainly seems to

1902
01:32:14,720 --> 01:32:16,960
be one of these things where you're like, oh shit, yeah,

1903
01:32:17,279 --> 01:32:21,880
your your safety, your guardrail is gone, right. I don't

1904
01:32:21,880 --> 01:32:24,359
know if that's how you feel. It's just different. I

1905
01:32:24,399 --> 01:32:26,159
think with guys then, I don't know.

1906
01:32:26,880 --> 01:32:29,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's For me and my dad passed away, I

1907
01:32:29,720 --> 01:32:33,640
was I was thirty, and I mean he was my

1908
01:32:34,039 --> 01:32:36,439
he was my guy, he was my best friend. And

1909
01:32:37,720 --> 01:32:39,840
it was one of those things where when it when

1910
01:32:39,880 --> 01:32:40,680
it went away.

1911
01:32:40,560 --> 01:32:42,159
Speaker 1: It was like where do I go? Right?

1912
01:32:42,479 --> 01:32:44,239
Speaker 5: And I was a bit lost. Yeah, it took me

1913
01:32:44,359 --> 01:32:47,119
a bit to kind of figure it out right and

1914
01:32:47,960 --> 01:32:50,800
and what what kind of as a you know, you

1915
01:32:51,520 --> 01:32:53,720
talk about the alpha, right, you know, for me, it

1916
01:32:53,840 --> 01:32:57,720
was like I'm in control of my life right, and

1917
01:32:57,920 --> 01:33:00,199
I want to make my parents proud, So what do

1918
01:33:00,279 --> 01:33:03,279
I gotta do? And the question was am I gonna

1919
01:33:03,319 --> 01:33:06,279
step up and do it? Or am I gonna have excuses?

1920
01:33:06,319 --> 01:33:08,880
And am I gonna find reasons not to do it?

1921
01:33:09,159 --> 01:33:15,239
And I made a commitment that to myself and and

1922
01:33:15,479 --> 01:33:18,359
to honor my dad and the life that he lived

1923
01:33:18,399 --> 01:33:21,039
and his father. Is that my dad did everything for us.

1924
01:33:21,439 --> 01:33:24,199
My dad sacrificed his life to do what he thought

1925
01:33:24,279 --> 01:33:27,479
was in the best nurse of us kids. And you know,

1926
01:33:28,399 --> 01:33:30,560
up to that point in time, I lived my life

1927
01:33:30,600 --> 01:33:34,760
for me. It was about me because my dad allowed

1928
01:33:34,880 --> 01:33:37,800
me the comfort to do that. And then I all

1929
01:33:37,800 --> 01:33:40,800
of a sudden had to think about beyond myself and

1930
01:33:41,760 --> 01:33:45,479
and and you know, as an it's an inspiration, and

1931
01:33:46,039 --> 01:33:47,520
we talked about it earlier. I think we might have

1932
01:33:47,560 --> 01:33:49,960
been off the air. Is that, you know, there are

1933
01:33:50,079 --> 01:33:53,000
times and it's twenty five years later, I'll hear a

1934
01:33:53,199 --> 01:33:56,880
song that'll bring you back to that time and it

1935
01:33:57,720 --> 01:33:58,520
it just s grips me.

1936
01:33:58,840 --> 01:34:02,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've had a few of those moments, not as many,

1937
01:34:03,039 --> 01:34:06,159
and certainly as you know my dad was I'm fifty

1938
01:34:06,239 --> 01:34:09,239
something years old, right, so I haven't lived under the

1939
01:34:09,279 --> 01:34:12,359
same roof as him. It was my brother who took

1940
01:34:12,439 --> 01:34:15,039
him to be closer to where my brother lived, so

1941
01:34:15,359 --> 01:34:20,319
I didn't have that, but there will be those, you know, holidays. Certainly,

1942
01:34:20,399 --> 01:34:23,800
the phone calls, we had some pretty great discussions over

1943
01:34:23,840 --> 01:34:27,039
the past couple of years on the phone. I would

1944
01:34:27,039 --> 01:34:30,359
always sort of enjoy that. I think one of the

1945
01:34:30,439 --> 01:34:32,840
sweetest things that I heard was my youngest son say

1946
01:34:32,880 --> 01:34:36,359
to me, I really feel guilty because you know, sometimes

1947
01:34:36,359 --> 01:34:37,880
you would get on the phone with him and he

1948
01:34:38,000 --> 01:34:40,319
just keep talking and talking and talking, and that was

1949
01:34:40,399 --> 01:34:42,720
sort of our joke. Even with my dad, he would

1950
01:34:42,720 --> 01:34:44,920
always go, oh wait, wait, wait, one more thing. Yeah,

1951
01:34:45,000 --> 01:34:46,880
like we're getting off the phone and go time. I'm

1952
01:34:46,920 --> 01:34:49,399
all talked out. I got nothing to say, oh wait, wait, wait,

1953
01:34:49,479 --> 01:34:52,319
one more thing. And we felt like when he was dying,

1954
01:34:52,800 --> 01:34:54,720
like it was wait, wait, wait, one more thing, because

1955
01:34:54,760 --> 01:34:57,000
it just hung on and hung on, and it's sort

1956
01:34:57,039 --> 01:34:59,880
of a joke. But I'll miss those sort of things,

1957
01:35:00,079 --> 01:35:02,600
and I'll miss a little bit because he and I

1958
01:35:03,000 --> 01:35:05,840
had certainly become much closer over the past couple of years,

1959
01:35:07,359 --> 01:35:09,159
some of the guidance stuff. I was really open with

1960
01:35:09,239 --> 01:35:11,359
him about a lot of stuff, you know, and that

1961
01:35:11,560 --> 01:35:14,439
and that you're right because there there's not a lot

1962
01:35:14,520 --> 01:35:17,600
of it's your dad. And when you get to a

1963
01:35:17,720 --> 01:35:21,800
point where you can talk as and and forgive me

1964
01:35:21,880 --> 01:35:26,119
if this sounds almost misogynistic, but as men man to man, right,

1965
01:35:26,560 --> 01:35:30,359
that's a big thing. And he's hearing you, but you're

1966
01:35:30,439 --> 01:35:33,000
looking to him as the advisor because he's still your dad.

1967
01:35:33,600 --> 01:35:35,479
And I'm telling him shit that I thought I would

1968
01:35:35,680 --> 01:35:37,520
never tell him, but I'm telling them.

1969
01:35:38,399 --> 01:35:39,960
Speaker 5: I mean, I don't know about you, Dan, but there

1970
01:35:40,079 --> 01:35:42,880
was a there was a time. You know, probably you

1971
01:35:43,000 --> 01:35:46,199
always you never want to disappoint your parents, never, but

1972
01:35:46,479 --> 01:35:47,960
there was a point in time where you realize you

1973
01:35:48,000 --> 01:35:50,800
could trust them and you could say whatever you wanted

1974
01:35:50,840 --> 01:35:52,760
and he wasn't going to judge you, or he wasn't

1975
01:35:52,760 --> 01:35:55,920
going to think anything less of you. And but that's

1976
01:35:56,000 --> 01:35:59,359
a special relationship that a child has with her parents.

1977
01:35:59,439 --> 01:36:02,119
And I'm sure, I'm sure you know girls have it

1978
01:36:02,199 --> 01:36:05,359
with their moms, maybe with their dads too, maybe with

1979
01:36:05,479 --> 01:36:09,640
their dads. I mean my mom, you know me, not

1980
01:36:09,800 --> 01:36:11,279
as much as I do with my dad. But I

1981
01:36:11,399 --> 01:36:13,840
told my dad things that I had I had never

1982
01:36:13,920 --> 01:36:16,560
shared and have to that to this date, never shared

1983
01:36:16,600 --> 01:36:20,560
with another person. And those are probably the things I

1984
01:36:20,640 --> 01:36:24,479
missed most where it wasn't judgmental, right, I think upset

1985
01:36:24,520 --> 01:36:27,000
to you before Bill, and maybe to you Dan, is

1986
01:36:27,039 --> 01:36:30,199
that for me, there's only one love that's truly unconditional,

1987
01:36:30,279 --> 01:36:32,720
in my opinion, and that's the love of a parent

1988
01:36:32,800 --> 01:36:36,880
to a child. Yeah, and once when you're a child

1989
01:36:37,000 --> 01:36:40,840
and you understand that, you then I think you have

1990
01:36:41,000 --> 01:36:43,079
a trust and a confidence that you can say and

1991
01:36:43,239 --> 01:36:48,520
share things that you would never share. And when it's gone, it's.

1992
01:36:48,399 --> 01:36:52,079
Speaker 1: Gone, it's gone. Right, It's just it's just an interesting thing,

1993
01:36:52,079 --> 01:36:54,359
and I really appreciate it. Actually, when you wrote that

1994
01:36:54,439 --> 01:36:56,079
we have that in common, and I'm like, yeah, we do,

1995
01:36:56,279 --> 01:36:59,359
and that's a different thing. And I don't think it's

1996
01:36:59,399 --> 01:37:02,119
ever really the discussed and that's kind of what I

1997
01:37:02,520 --> 01:37:09,079
I do. I pick at the the sore spot. Oh Greg,

1998
01:37:09,159 --> 01:37:11,640
it's good to see it. The Bill's Mafia hat. I

1999
01:37:11,760 --> 01:37:13,920
love it, love the shirt. I still think it's finearing,

2000
01:37:13,960 --> 01:37:20,880
but I have no idea. Danny. I love Danny's take

2001
01:37:20,960 --> 01:37:23,359
on Dion Dawkins being freaked out about it's drifting. I

2002
01:37:23,479 --> 01:37:24,760
thought the drifting was great.

2003
01:37:25,560 --> 01:37:28,800
Speaker 3: With the freaking bullet Oh god, boas dude, like that

2004
01:37:28,960 --> 01:37:29,479
was crazy.

2005
01:37:29,600 --> 01:37:32,920
Speaker 4: But most teams have contracts. You can't do stuff like that. Yeah,

2006
01:37:33,079 --> 01:37:34,720
we had two instances in one show.

2007
01:37:34,960 --> 01:37:36,600
Speaker 5: It's not venomous. It's a contricktor.

2008
01:37:37,199 --> 01:37:38,439
Speaker 3: It's only gonna choke you to death.

2009
01:37:38,880 --> 01:37:43,319
Speaker 1: That it's fine, Well, he's so big around him. Fine

2010
01:37:44,680 --> 01:37:47,119
for Greg Connors, for Dan Brilla on Bill Moran, We'll

2011
01:37:47,119 --> 01:37:48,119
see you tomorrow.

2012
01:37:50,119 --> 01:37:52,880
Speaker 3: Worse, he's a land up opportunity. For me, is just

2013
01:37:52,960 --> 01:37:54,760
a curse that judging make us be