Speaker 1: What's up everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles.
In this episode, we're gonna dive right back in to
the Johanna Schoberg deposition and pick up where we left
off with Laura Meninger taking over the questioning. So they
go back on the record at ten fourteen and things
kick back off. Menager, Hi answer from Shoburg. Hello, Menager,
we've never met before today. Correct answer correct, Menager. Can
you tell me a little bit about your current job?
Answer sure, I just purchased a salon. I'm a salon owner.
I'm a hairstylist manager. Congratulations, Shoberg, thank you, Menager. How
long have you been a hairstylist Shoburg for ten years, Menager?
And what did you do before that? Answer? I briefly
did massage in a spa for about a year and
a half, and before that, I was a nanny and
before that I was in school. Manager And I believe
you said you studied psychology in school and correct manager?
Did you graduate? Answer yes, manager with a degree in psychology.
Answer yes, manager. Where did you get training to be
a massage therapist? Answer redacted? Manager? And when did you
do that? Answer? That would have been I believe in redacted? Manager?
And how long did you study there? Answer? I think
it was a six month program? Manager? And you worked
in a spa thereafter? Answer I did, manager? And what
was the name of the spa? Again redacted? Manager? And
are you married? Answer no? Manager? Do you have children?
Answer no? Manager? And how old are you now? Answer
redacted manager? Can you tell me about your first meeting
with Glenn Maxwell? Answer sure, I was sitting on a
bench redacted or redacted. She approached me. I was getting
ready to go to a class. It was my junior year. Yes,
it was my second semester of my junior year. And
she and another woman approached me. The other woman didn't
speak that I recall, and she asked me about she
had a house in Palm Beach and she was looking
for someone that she could hire to work at the
house where she could post that she needed help. She
then asked me if I knew anyone, and I didn't
know who she was. I didn't want to take the
responsibility of finding someone to work for, and so I said, sorry,
I don't And then she said, well, maybe what about you?
And I was at a point in my life I
was super spontaneous and willing to skip school. So she said,
come to my house, come in my car and check
it out, and so I did. Meninger. Okay, So for
those of you of us who don't know, is this
like a college campus, like a traditional college campus or
is it in a city setting? Answer? It's in a
city setting. I mean, Palm Beach is not a big city.
So it's on the intra coastal and there was a
big grassy area that was surrounded by buildings. So she
was inside of the campus, Meninger, and she was looking
for a bulletin board where she could post a job.
Answer something like that, Yes, Menager, Did she have any
kind of flyers? Answer? Not that I recall, Menager, but
that's what she asked you for, directions to a bulletin
board where she could post a job. Answer yes, McCauley. Objection, Menager.
And it sounds like you guys got into a conversation.
Is that fair? Answer? Yes, Menager. Can you describe Glenn
Maxwell's personality? Answer? Well, I instantly picked up on the
fact that she was British. She had on like workout clothes.
I believe she was wearing all black, and she I mean,
she was a little snarky, but I felt comfortable enough
to get in the car with her. Menager. And it
sounds like you had contact with her over the next
several years, is that fair? Answer yes, Menager. And did
you get to know more about her personality over those
five years? Four or five years? Answer yes? And can
you describe for me how you observed her personality to
be Answer sure. She definitely had a great sense of humor.
She loved making jokes, I mean in a very British way.
I don't remember her ever laughing, but she was funny.
And I remember just thinking she the first weekend that
we flew to the Virgin Islands, she flew the helicopter
from Saint wherever we were, to Little Saint jeff or
whatever the name of the island was, and I just thought, Wow,
who is this woman? And that was all part of
the facade, folks. Having Maxwell be who she was was
just a gigantic part of what Epstein had going on.
And if she wasn't that kind of socialite, that kind
of woman that could get people comfortable, this operation would
have never worked as well as it did. Manager. Would
you say that you respected her? Answer yes, menager when
you ended up getting in the car with her and
this other woman and going back to the house. Who
was driving the car? Answer she was driving? Manager. And
where did she take you? Answer? She took me to
the house in Palm Beach. And can you describe the
house in Palm Beach? Answer sure. It's at the end
of L Brio Way on the intra Coastal. The house
was either white or pink. It was pink at one time.
It may have ever been painted. It was nothing fancy,
It was large. It was like a beach house. Manager.
And when you got there, do you remember meeting other
people while you were there that first time? Answer? I
remember other people being in the home. I don't really
remember who was there. Manager. Do you remember meeting like
a butler or answer potentially a chef, someone in the kitchen,
maybe a house manager. Yeah. Manager. What was your impression
of this other woman that was with miss Maxwell at
the time? Answer zero. She left zero impression on me, Menager. Age, height,
hair color, nothing, Answer I want to say she was brunette,
age twenties. Yeah. Manager. And you were going for the
purpose of checking out potentially working for this job? Answer yes, Menager,
and it sounds like you met Jeffrey Epstein that first
time that you did go to the house right. McAuley objection. Answer,
I believe I either met him that time or the
next time. I can't recall, Menager. Okay, and tell me
about your first meeting with him. Answer, sure, I met him.
I believe it was in the hallway right beside the kitchen.
There was a hallway. It was actually more like a room,
a pantry type of room. That's where all the pieces
of paper with the phone messages would lay. And there
she's talking about the notepads that we've talked about at
length here during the depositions. And I remember sitting on
the counter and speaking with him, and he was in
a bathrobe, and he spoke with me about being in
college and studying psychology. Manager And did you form an
opinion of him in that first meeting? Answer? I yeah,
I believe that he was smart, he was personable and
could speak to anyone. Menager. Did he give off any
sexual vibes in that first meeting? Answer no, Menager. And
where was Golaine when you were speaking with mister Epstein? Answer?
I don't recall, Menager. Do you recall going to a
second floor of the home during that first meeting. Answer
I don't recall. Golaine said at one point, you might
get a massage today. That was sorry. That was the
second time when I was in the home working, and
I just thought it was crazy that I would get
a massage while I was working. But it did not
end up happening because the messuse could not stay. Menager.
Do you know who the messus was who could not stay?
Answer no, Menager. But that didn't happen on the first meeting.
You believe that it was the second meeting? Answer yes,
that was when I was there to work, Menager. How
long How long did the first trip to the house end? Answer?
She gave me her phone number, and she took my
phone number, and she took me back to school Menager?
And you were full time at school at the time,
Answer yes, Menager. And how many classes were you taking
if you remember? Answer probably four or five? Menager. How
did you How long was it before you heard from
miss Maxwell again? Answer within probably three days? Manager? And
how did she contact you? Answer she called me on
my At the time, I had a cell phone. It
could have been on my cell phone. It could have
been on my house phone. We had a house phone
back then. Manager, I remember where were you living at
the time? Answer, I was in an apartment in West
Palm Beach. Manager, And did you have a roommate or
with family? Answer? I had a roommate. Manager. So when
Miss Maxwell called you on whatever phone it was, do
you remember what she said? Answer? Yeah? She said, do
you want to come over and work on Sunday? Manager?
And what did you say? Answer? I said sure? Manager?
And did you answer? I did? Manager? How did you
get there? Answer that I don't recall because I did
not have a car. Manager, did you to this? Schoberg interrupts,
I think my roommate dropped me off. Honestly, I can
remember what I was wearing. You do, Menager? Ass I do?
She answers, Menager, what were you wearing? Answer? I had?
I still have the shirt. It's an old, weathered blue
North Carolina Tech Tar Hill shirt. Menager. Because you did
Miss Maxwell explain to you what you would be doing
on that Sunday when you came to work or was
that part of the prior conversation. McAuley objection, show Burg
about what I was wearing? Menager, know about what you
were going to do at work. Answer. She explained that
she just wanted someone to help out around the house,
answering phones, you know, grabbing drinks if someone wanted a drink,
running errands, Menager. And so you dressed appropriate to what
you believed, She interrupts her here, meaning shoburg. I did
not know how to dress properly. Apparently I should not
have worn that. But I was in college Menainger. Did
anyone say anything to you? Answer no, Menager. So when
you got there, what happened? This is your second time
to the house, but your first time working right? Answer yes,
I was probably introduced to a few people that were there.
I mean I was there for several hours. Do I
recall every minute? No, I just recall when I would
actually have to go to work, answer the phone, pour
some drinks for people, just water, they didn't drink alcohol,
and run errands. There are a few errands that I run. Menager.
You described those errands earlier. Answer I did in her car? Menager?
You used her car? Answer yes, Menager. What kind of
car was it? Answer? It was a Mercedes convertible. Menager.
Did anyone go with you? Answer no? Menager. You described
a shopping trip. Was that in the same car. Answer yes, Menager.
Was that a separate trip from when you went to
run errands? Answer yes, that's when Golayne went with me
and she drove Menager. Okay, so you ran errands, came
back more than once, answer twice, and then you went
on a shopping trip. Answer yes, Manager. During the time
you were at the home, was there anything that made
you suspicious? Answer no, Manager or Leary? Answer no, Manager.
You mentioned that there may have been some discussion of
a massage. Do you recall that discussion? Answer I had
never had a massage before, so she just said there
was a massage therapist coming and I may get one. Manager.
Did she say who it was? Answer no, Menager. So
when you went shopping on this trip, you said, Glaine
drove the car and you went with her. Was anyone
else there? Answer no manager. And where did you all go?
Answer we went to Worth Avenue in Palm Beach, but
because it was Sunday, the stores were closed, so from
there we went to I believe it was Palm Beach
Daily News, which was like a little bookstore, and I
remember her purchasing reading glasses for Jeffrey and some magazines.
Manager were those things for the home. Answer yes, Menager.
And earlier on your errands you had been purchasing things
for the home or the office. Yes and yes, Menager.
Besides the printer cartridge in cartridge, do you remember anything else?
Answer well, yes, like they wanted specific magazines. I don't
know if it was like Scientific American or something to
that effect. It wasn't like Playboy. Manager. Okay, did you
ever answer phones? Answer yes, Menager. When did you answer phones?
Answer that day? Menager. Do you remember anything notable about
the phone calls? Answer? I just remember I always had
to say he's unavailable. Can I take a message? Manager?
And where did you take a message? Answer on a
little notepad next to the phone? Menager. Do you recall
any small children calling the house that day? Answer no, Menager.
Were you speaking to anyone about their school experience or
anything like that? Answer no, Menager. Did you take any
messages for famous people? Answer they could have been famous
and I would have been clueless. Manager. Did you take
messages at any other point during the time that you
worked for Jeffrey? Answer no, Menager. And you said you
remember at the end of the day being paid by Glaine?
Answer yes, Menager. And you were paid for doing errands
and answering phones and whatever else you did. Answer yes, mccauleay. Objection, menager,
did you do anything else that day in terms of
errands or things around the house that you remember? Answer
not that I recall. Menager. Did you come back to
answer phones and do errands any other day? Answer no, Menager,
that was the only day you did it. Answer yes.
All right, folks, we're going to wrap up right there,
and in the next episode, we're going to pick up
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