1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:03,879 Speaker 1: What's up everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles. 2 00:00:04,480 --> 00:00:06,839 In this episode, we're gonna dive right back in to 3 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:11,199 the Johanna Schoberg deposition and pick up where we left 4 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:15,240 off with Laura Meninger taking over the questioning. So they 5 00:00:15,279 --> 00:00:18,000 go back on the record at ten fourteen and things 6 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:24,000 kick back off. Menager, Hi answer from Shoburg. Hello, Menager, 7 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:28,559 we've never met before today. Correct answer correct, Menager. Can 8 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:30,519 you tell me a little bit about your current job? 9 00:00:31,079 --> 00:00:34,880 Answer sure, I just purchased a salon. I'm a salon owner. 10 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:41,719 I'm a hairstylist manager. Congratulations, Shoberg, thank you, Menager. How 11 00:00:41,719 --> 00:00:45,159 long have you been a hairstylist Shoburg for ten years, Menager? 12 00:00:45,399 --> 00:00:48,399 And what did you do before that? Answer? I briefly 13 00:00:48,399 --> 00:00:50,880 did massage in a spa for about a year and 14 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:53,359 a half, and before that, I was a nanny and 15 00:00:53,399 --> 00:00:57,200 before that I was in school. Manager And I believe 16 00:00:57,240 --> 00:01:01,520 you said you studied psychology in school and correct manager? 17 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:05,560 Did you graduate? Answer yes, manager with a degree in psychology. 18 00:01:06,239 --> 00:01:09,359 Answer yes, manager. Where did you get training to be 19 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:14,760 a massage therapist? Answer redacted? Manager? And when did you 20 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:21,120 do that? Answer? That would have been I believe in redacted? Manager? 21 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:24,319 And how long did you study there? Answer? I think 22 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:27,439 it was a six month program? Manager? And you worked 23 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:31,599 in a spa thereafter? Answer I did, manager? And what 24 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:35,159 was the name of the spa? Again redacted? Manager? And 25 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:39,359 are you married? Answer no? Manager? Do you have children? 26 00:01:39,519 --> 00:01:43,560 Answer no? Manager? And how old are you now? Answer 27 00:01:43,719 --> 00:01:47,159 redacted manager? Can you tell me about your first meeting 28 00:01:47,159 --> 00:01:50,519 with Glenn Maxwell? Answer sure, I was sitting on a 29 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:53,959 bench redacted or redacted. She approached me. I was getting 30 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:56,879 ready to go to a class. It was my junior year. Yes, 31 00:01:56,920 --> 00:01:59,719 it was my second semester of my junior year. And 32 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:02,719 she and another woman approached me. The other woman didn't 33 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:05,879 speak that I recall, and she asked me about she 34 00:02:05,959 --> 00:02:08,199 had a house in Palm Beach and she was looking 35 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:10,400 for someone that she could hire to work at the 36 00:02:10,439 --> 00:02:13,800 house where she could post that she needed help. She 37 00:02:13,879 --> 00:02:16,439 then asked me if I knew anyone, and I didn't 38 00:02:16,479 --> 00:02:18,479 know who she was. I didn't want to take the 39 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:22,080 responsibility of finding someone to work for, and so I said, sorry, 40 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:25,560 I don't And then she said, well, maybe what about you? 41 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:27,719 And I was at a point in my life I 42 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:31,680 was super spontaneous and willing to skip school. So she said, 43 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:33,879 come to my house, come in my car and check 44 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:38,680 it out, and so I did. Meninger. Okay, So for 45 00:02:38,759 --> 00:02:41,560 those of you of us who don't know, is this 46 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:46,080 like a college campus, like a traditional college campus or 47 00:02:46,199 --> 00:02:49,039 is it in a city setting? Answer? It's in a 48 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:51,759 city setting. I mean, Palm Beach is not a big city. 49 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:54,439 So it's on the intra coastal and there was a 50 00:02:54,439 --> 00:02:57,520 big grassy area that was surrounded by buildings. So she 51 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:01,159 was inside of the campus, Meninger, and she was looking 52 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:03,360 for a bulletin board where she could post a job. 53 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:08,240 Answer something like that, Yes, Menager, Did she have any 54 00:03:08,319 --> 00:03:12,319 kind of flyers? Answer? Not that I recall, Menager, but 55 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:15,080 that's what she asked you for, directions to a bulletin 56 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:21,039 board where she could post a job. Answer yes, McCauley. Objection, Menager. 57 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:24,439 And it sounds like you guys got into a conversation. 58 00:03:24,879 --> 00:03:29,639 Is that fair? Answer? Yes, Menager. Can you describe Glenn 59 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:33,639 Maxwell's personality? Answer? Well, I instantly picked up on the 60 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:37,039 fact that she was British. She had on like workout clothes. 61 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:40,439 I believe she was wearing all black, and she I mean, 62 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:43,120 she was a little snarky, but I felt comfortable enough 63 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:46,159 to get in the car with her. Menager. And it 64 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:48,199 sounds like you had contact with her over the next 65 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:54,080 several years, is that fair? Answer yes, Menager. And did 66 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:56,639 you get to know more about her personality over those 67 00:03:56,639 --> 00:04:00,840 five years? Four or five years? Answer yes? And can 68 00:04:00,919 --> 00:04:03,840 you describe for me how you observed her personality to 69 00:04:03,879 --> 00:04:07,680 be Answer sure. She definitely had a great sense of humor. 70 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:10,599 She loved making jokes, I mean in a very British way. 71 00:04:10,879 --> 00:04:13,560 I don't remember her ever laughing, but she was funny. 72 00:04:13,759 --> 00:04:17,000 And I remember just thinking she the first weekend that 73 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:19,759 we flew to the Virgin Islands, she flew the helicopter 74 00:04:19,879 --> 00:04:23,360 from Saint wherever we were, to Little Saint jeff or 75 00:04:23,399 --> 00:04:26,199 whatever the name of the island was, and I just thought, Wow, 76 00:04:26,319 --> 00:04:29,079 who is this woman? And that was all part of 77 00:04:29,079 --> 00:04:33,079 the facade, folks. Having Maxwell be who she was was 78 00:04:33,199 --> 00:04:35,920 just a gigantic part of what Epstein had going on. 79 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:38,800 And if she wasn't that kind of socialite, that kind 80 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:42,240 of woman that could get people comfortable, this operation would 81 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:45,480 have never worked as well as it did. Manager. Would 82 00:04:45,519 --> 00:04:48,959 you say that you respected her? Answer yes, menager when 83 00:04:48,959 --> 00:04:50,920 you ended up getting in the car with her and 84 00:04:50,959 --> 00:04:53,480 this other woman and going back to the house. Who 85 00:04:53,519 --> 00:04:57,560 was driving the car? Answer she was driving? Manager. And 86 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:00,040 where did she take you? Answer? She took me to 87 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:03,040 the house in Palm Beach. And can you describe the 88 00:05:03,079 --> 00:05:07,319 house in Palm Beach? Answer sure. It's at the end 89 00:05:07,319 --> 00:05:10,000 of L Brio Way on the intra Coastal. The house 90 00:05:10,079 --> 00:05:13,120 was either white or pink. It was pink at one time. 91 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:16,199 It may have ever been painted. It was nothing fancy, 92 00:05:16,319 --> 00:05:19,839 It was large. It was like a beach house. Manager. 93 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:22,800 And when you got there, do you remember meeting other 94 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:26,160 people while you were there that first time? Answer? I 95 00:05:26,199 --> 00:05:28,759 remember other people being in the home. I don't really 96 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:33,279 remember who was there. Manager. Do you remember meeting like 97 00:05:33,319 --> 00:05:38,000 a butler or answer potentially a chef, someone in the kitchen, 98 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:42,120 maybe a house manager. Yeah. Manager. What was your impression 99 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:45,360 of this other woman that was with miss Maxwell at 100 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:51,079 the time? Answer zero. She left zero impression on me, Menager. Age, height, 101 00:05:51,199 --> 00:05:54,920 hair color, nothing, Answer I want to say she was brunette, 102 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:58,759 age twenties. Yeah. Manager. And you were going for the 103 00:05:58,759 --> 00:06:04,759 purpose of checking out potentially working for this job? Answer yes, Menager, 104 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:07,319 and it sounds like you met Jeffrey Epstein that first 105 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:13,240 time that you did go to the house right. McAuley objection. Answer, 106 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:16,199 I believe I either met him that time or the 107 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:19,920 next time. I can't recall, Menager. Okay, and tell me 108 00:06:19,959 --> 00:06:23,120 about your first meeting with him. Answer, sure, I met him. 109 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:25,839 I believe it was in the hallway right beside the kitchen. 110 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:28,480 There was a hallway. It was actually more like a room, 111 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:31,319 a pantry type of room. That's where all the pieces 112 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:34,800 of paper with the phone messages would lay. And there 113 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:37,439 she's talking about the notepads that we've talked about at 114 00:06:37,519 --> 00:06:41,279 length here during the depositions. And I remember sitting on 115 00:06:41,319 --> 00:06:43,480 the counter and speaking with him, and he was in 116 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:46,040 a bathrobe, and he spoke with me about being in 117 00:06:46,079 --> 00:06:50,120 college and studying psychology. Manager And did you form an 118 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:53,879 opinion of him in that first meeting? Answer? I yeah, 119 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:56,639 I believe that he was smart, he was personable and 120 00:06:56,720 --> 00:07:00,160 could speak to anyone. Menager. Did he give off any 121 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:04,360 sexual vibes in that first meeting? Answer no, Menager. And 122 00:07:04,439 --> 00:07:08,800 where was Golaine when you were speaking with mister Epstein? Answer? 123 00:07:08,879 --> 00:07:12,040 I don't recall, Menager. Do you recall going to a 124 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:15,079 second floor of the home during that first meeting. Answer 125 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:18,480 I don't recall. Golaine said at one point, you might 126 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:21,439 get a massage today. That was sorry. That was the 127 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:24,120 second time when I was in the home working, and 128 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:26,160 I just thought it was crazy that I would get 129 00:07:26,199 --> 00:07:28,720 a massage while I was working. But it did not 130 00:07:28,879 --> 00:07:32,839 end up happening because the messuse could not stay. Menager. 131 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:35,920 Do you know who the messus was who could not stay? 132 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:40,759 Answer no, Menager. But that didn't happen on the first meeting. 133 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:43,680 You believe that it was the second meeting? Answer yes, 134 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:46,879 that was when I was there to work, Menager. How 135 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:50,439 long How long did the first trip to the house end? Answer? 136 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:52,680 She gave me her phone number, and she took my 137 00:07:52,759 --> 00:07:56,040 phone number, and she took me back to school Menager? 138 00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:58,000 And you were full time at school at the time, 139 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:02,040 Answer yes, Menager. And how many classes were you taking 140 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:06,480 if you remember? Answer probably four or five? Menager. How 141 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:08,839 did you How long was it before you heard from 142 00:08:08,879 --> 00:08:13,279 miss Maxwell again? Answer within probably three days? Manager? And 143 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:16,360 how did she contact you? Answer she called me on 144 00:08:16,399 --> 00:08:18,920 my At the time, I had a cell phone. It 145 00:08:18,959 --> 00:08:20,639 could have been on my cell phone. It could have 146 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:22,600 been on my house phone. We had a house phone 147 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:26,360 back then. Manager, I remember where were you living at 148 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:29,399 the time? Answer, I was in an apartment in West 149 00:08:29,399 --> 00:08:32,679 Palm Beach. Manager, And did you have a roommate or 150 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:36,679 with family? Answer? I had a roommate. Manager. So when 151 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:39,279 Miss Maxwell called you on whatever phone it was, do 152 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:42,759 you remember what she said? Answer? Yeah? She said, do 153 00:08:42,799 --> 00:08:45,679 you want to come over and work on Sunday? Manager? 154 00:08:45,759 --> 00:08:49,200 And what did you say? Answer? I said sure? Manager? 155 00:08:49,279 --> 00:08:52,799 And did you answer? I did? Manager? How did you 156 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:56,240 get there? Answer that I don't recall because I did 157 00:08:56,240 --> 00:09:01,320 not have a car. Manager, did you to this? Schoberg interrupts, 158 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:03,919 I think my roommate dropped me off. Honestly, I can 159 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:08,039 remember what I was wearing. You do, Menager? Ass I do? 160 00:09:08,159 --> 00:09:12,279 She answers, Menager, what were you wearing? Answer? I had? 161 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:15,840 I still have the shirt. It's an old, weathered blue 162 00:09:15,879 --> 00:09:20,240 North Carolina Tech Tar Hill shirt. Menager. Because you did 163 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:23,039 Miss Maxwell explain to you what you would be doing 164 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:25,480 on that Sunday when you came to work or was 165 00:09:25,519 --> 00:09:30,519 that part of the prior conversation. McAuley objection, show Burg 166 00:09:30,639 --> 00:09:33,639 about what I was wearing? Menager, know about what you 167 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:36,840 were going to do at work. Answer. She explained that 168 00:09:36,879 --> 00:09:39,039 she just wanted someone to help out around the house, 169 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:42,320 answering phones, you know, grabbing drinks if someone wanted a drink, 170 00:09:42,519 --> 00:09:46,279 running errands, Menager. And so you dressed appropriate to what 171 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:50,919 you believed, She interrupts her here, meaning shoburg. I did 172 00:09:50,919 --> 00:09:53,399 not know how to dress properly. Apparently I should not 173 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:56,799 have worn that. But I was in college Menainger. Did 174 00:09:56,840 --> 00:10:01,320 anyone say anything to you? Answer no, Menager. So when 175 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:03,559 you got there, what happened? This is your second time 176 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:07,480 to the house, but your first time working right? Answer yes, 177 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:10,440 I was probably introduced to a few people that were there. 178 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:13,240 I mean I was there for several hours. Do I 179 00:10:13,279 --> 00:10:16,360 recall every minute? No, I just recall when I would 180 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:18,879 actually have to go to work, answer the phone, pour 181 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:22,000 some drinks for people, just water, they didn't drink alcohol, 182 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:26,559 and run errands. There are a few errands that I run. Menager. 183 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:31,480 You described those errands earlier. Answer I did in her car? Menager? 184 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:35,480 You used her car? Answer yes, Menager. What kind of 185 00:10:35,519 --> 00:10:39,879 car was it? Answer? It was a Mercedes convertible. Menager. 186 00:10:39,919 --> 00:10:43,600 Did anyone go with you? Answer no? Menager. You described 187 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:47,720 a shopping trip. Was that in the same car. Answer yes, Menager. 188 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:50,480 Was that a separate trip from when you went to 189 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:54,279 run errands? Answer yes, that's when Golayne went with me 190 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:58,679 and she drove Menager. Okay, so you ran errands, came 191 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:02,120 back more than once, answer twice, and then you went 192 00:11:02,159 --> 00:11:05,799 on a shopping trip. Answer yes, Manager. During the time 193 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:07,919 you were at the home, was there anything that made 194 00:11:07,919 --> 00:11:14,399 you suspicious? Answer no, Manager or Leary? Answer no, Manager. 195 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:16,559 You mentioned that there may have been some discussion of 196 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:20,200 a massage. Do you recall that discussion? Answer I had 197 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:22,639 never had a massage before, so she just said there 198 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:26,279 was a massage therapist coming and I may get one. Manager. 199 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:29,799 Did she say who it was? Answer no, Menager. So 200 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:32,440 when you went shopping on this trip, you said, Glaine 201 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:34,960 drove the car and you went with her. Was anyone 202 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:39,679 else there? Answer no manager. And where did you all go? 203 00:11:40,039 --> 00:11:42,679 Answer we went to Worth Avenue in Palm Beach, but 204 00:11:43,039 --> 00:11:46,799 because it was Sunday, the stores were closed, so from 205 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:49,519 there we went to I believe it was Palm Beach 206 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:52,759 Daily News, which was like a little bookstore, and I 207 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:56,480 remember her purchasing reading glasses for Jeffrey and some magazines. 208 00:11:57,080 --> 00:12:01,240 Manager were those things for the home. Answer yes, Menager. 209 00:12:01,519 --> 00:12:04,879 And earlier on your errands you had been purchasing things 210 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:08,840 for the home or the office. Yes and yes, Menager. 211 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:12,879 Besides the printer cartridge in cartridge, do you remember anything else? 212 00:12:13,759 --> 00:12:17,320 Answer well, yes, like they wanted specific magazines. I don't 213 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:20,159 know if it was like Scientific American or something to 214 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:24,679 that effect. It wasn't like Playboy. Manager. Okay, did you 215 00:12:24,759 --> 00:12:29,519 ever answer phones? Answer yes, Menager. When did you answer phones? 216 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:33,840 Answer that day? Menager. Do you remember anything notable about 217 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:36,919 the phone calls? Answer? I just remember I always had 218 00:12:36,919 --> 00:12:40,759 to say he's unavailable. Can I take a message? Manager? 219 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:44,120 And where did you take a message? Answer on a 220 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:47,039 little notepad next to the phone? Menager. Do you recall 221 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:52,679 any small children calling the house that day? Answer no, Menager. 222 00:12:52,799 --> 00:12:55,720 Were you speaking to anyone about their school experience or 223 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:59,200 anything like that? Answer no, Menager. Did you take any 224 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:03,240 messages for famous people? Answer they could have been famous 225 00:13:03,279 --> 00:13:06,320 and I would have been clueless. Manager. Did you take 226 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:09,000 messages at any other point during the time that you 227 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:13,240 worked for Jeffrey? Answer no, Menager. And you said you 228 00:13:13,279 --> 00:13:16,039 remember at the end of the day being paid by Glaine? 229 00:13:16,519 --> 00:13:20,000 Answer yes, Menager. And you were paid for doing errands 230 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:26,279 and answering phones and whatever else you did. Answer yes, mccauleay. Objection, menager, 231 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:28,879 did you do anything else that day in terms of 232 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:32,960 errands or things around the house that you remember? Answer 233 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:37,039 not that I recall. Menager. Did you come back to 234 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:41,480 answer phones and do errands any other day? Answer no, Menager, 235 00:13:41,759 --> 00:13:44,600 that was the only day you did it. Answer yes. 236 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:46,879 All right, folks, we're going to wrap up right there, 237 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:48,759 and in the next episode, we're going to pick up 238 00:13:48,879 --> 00:13:51,559 where we left off. All of the information that goes 239 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:54,720 with this episode can be found in the description box.