Speaker 1: What is up, Fellawsikos.
Speaker 2: I am Dana Valley coming at you with the one,
the only, this certified, fantabulous mister Grant, who is back
after powering through an illness of epic proportions.
Speaker 1: We are so happy you are here, Grant.
Speaker 2: We're gonna dive into some NBA Finals talk because hey,
why not the NBA Finals are going on.
Speaker 1: We haven't heard from Grant since they started. He is here.
Speaker 2: I can't wait to ask him about it. First and foremost, though, sir,
how the heck are you?
Speaker 3: It feels weird to be here, Dan one, because it's
past both our bedtimes, seven pm being mine. We're changing
up the schedule because we just.
Speaker 4: Had to talk.
Speaker 3: I have no idea what you think about the finals.
We haven't talked about it at all. I don't know
if we even like did much of a run up
to them. So this this is gonna be I'm excited
h to get into this with.
Speaker 2: You, my before we hop in with some of your thoughts.
I think my biggest takeaway from the finals so far
is that the Pacers are up two to one.
Speaker 4: That's probably I mean, let's get will debate. I don't
know if that's actually true. We'll see.
Speaker 2: One of the things you had mentioned to me before
we hopped on was kind of the adaptability or the
physicality or the tactics of the Indiana Pacers, and so like,
what are you kind of like, how did they end
up here?
Speaker 4: Well?
Speaker 3: So okay, yeah, right, So that's like kind of one
of my most recurring thoughts, certainly in games one and three,
where like I I don't know, I wouldn't say that
I'm rooting for either team, but but I I'm confess
I find the Pacers kind of more confounding, and because
I have a harder time understanding like how this is happening,
I almost feel like I don't I'm not rooting against
the Pacers. It's just like this is too weird. I
don't understand it. Obviously we'll get into what's actually happening.
But have you had that where it's sort of like disbelief,
like after Game one, for example, like oh my god,
they did it again, this incredible comeback. Did you find
yourself like I did after the fact, thinking like, yeah,
they got that one. That's just kind of what they do.
But like, I'm not adjusting my priors. I would just
bet the house on okay See winning Game two by thirty,
and this is just gonna be a five game series.
Speaker 4: That is that where you sort of were.
Speaker 1: I was basically there.
Speaker 2: I thought Game two was actually going to be closer
because I thought there was low hanging fruit the Pacers
could just clean up to keep the game closer to
begin with. But that okay See was gonna win, and
I framed it. I went on a couple shows and said,
I think the Thunder could go down two to oh
lose Game two, just completely forfeit home court advantage and
they would still be favored to win this YERI.
Speaker 3: Because okay, well, so game three was different though Game
two was kind of like all right, order restored a
little bit, just the Thunder just kind of did more
Thunder things and just were physically overwhelming all the usual stuff.
Game three, it's just kind of like, Okay, now, I
really can't believe this is happening, because and this is
kind of what I wanted to sort of the core
of what I've been thinking most about and trying to
compare these two teams and trying to and it also
does specifically tie to the Haliburton versus. It's not like
they're guarding each other all the time or almost ever,
but it's like they're the two sort of centerpieces of
those of these two teams, and they're so different. And
so what I think I'm kind of landing on is
Indiana to me because of the style they play, which
I really do think is just an outgrowth of having
Halliburton in the middle of it. Because of how he
operates and thinks and sees the game and.
Speaker 4: The things he wants to do.
Speaker 3: They have tactical advantages and I think that partly explains
the comebacks. I don't know if anything explains the comebacks,
but I'm like trying to draw connection here.
Speaker 4: But what seems to happen with them, and specifically with.
Speaker 3: Haliburton, is they look for the right play all the time,
and that really Halliburton's like, that's his like core programming
is like what's the right play right now? And sometimes
and he gets criticized for this, the right play for
him is like go hide off the ball and don't
be involved, because that's just better for the way the
defense is scheming and we're going to get a better
shot out of it now. He was more aggressive in
Game three took some of what you might call like
not great shots, which he doesn't tend to like to do.
But I think when you compare and the pacers are
just looking around for how do we get.
Speaker 4: The best shot possible?
Speaker 3: And defensively, how it's just different than okay, see how
do we what points can we pick at?
Speaker 4: Where are the pressure point?
Speaker 3: Like what's the right thing to do defensively? I know
that's broad, but compared to the Thunder and Sga, where
it's like Sga wants to score and he'll pass the ball.
He's not a selfish player, but it's like he really
is sort of wired to get to his spot and
score and he will pass if the pass is there.
I don't get the sense that he is wired the
same way Haliburton is to where the objective of every
possession is to get the best possible chance, no matter who,
like who creates the chance, who finishes the chance, what
things need to happen leading up to it, And I
think that makes that helps me understand why the Thunder
can look so lacking in like offensive dynamism. Sometimes Game
three was just like if Sga is not creating it,
shit's not getting created. And now that's like partly an
indictment on well, yeah, like lou Dort's not creating anything.
Alex Crusso, that's not his bag. Jaylen Williams, That's been
the knock on him forever, Like you're not gonna find
a bigger supporter. Jed Holmgren a hard time creating credit
in these defense. But I do think while the Thunder
have massive physical advantages, they're bigger, stronger, faster, more athletic, quicker,
more aggressive generally speaking, especially on defense, the Pacers just
kind of like they're the quintessential like let's play the
right way, let's play smarter, and like that's just working
and it seems more consistent because when the Thunder look great,
they look like NOAK team can possibly touch them, And
then it's like, how is it possible they just can't
score in fourth quarters? Like you know, and so it's
like tactics versus physicality or like talent or something. Is
just sort of me trying to get my head around
why the Pacers have been able to do this.
Speaker 4: Does any of that resonate with you?
Speaker 3: Is that like I know it's an oversimplification, but I'm
just trying to like make broad sense of it.
Speaker 2: No, I think the oversimplification is actually how I'm starting
to feel is that the Pacers are just a team
of destiny at this point, because it's just I think
you look at it with Indiana and it I think
it gets into should we be surprised that they're here?
And I would count myself after saying I was out
on the Pacers. I feel like we were a little
bit in front of during the regular She's like, no,
like this team is legit. We said they were the
third best team in the East, no worse than it,
even more so than the Knicks, even though we both
picked the next to beat Human.
Speaker 4: No, you did.
Speaker 3: You have to give yourself credit here. I was much
slower to come around to the Pacer, I mean, the
Pacers in any series this whole time.
Speaker 1: I have we both picked him in the first round.
I bet against the Bucks. We had to.
Speaker 2: But again, and it's just like after the first twenty
five games of the season, they have a top five
net rating and a top ten defense, because what was
the knock on this team defense? And so to your
point about Halle though, because I want to like actually
respond to that, that's really interesting. I don't know that
I've thought about it that way because I think if
you look at it, could it be like, are the
Pacers just like so much greater than the sum of
their parts? And is Tyree's Haliburton the driving force of that?
Because you mentioned some of the offensive limitations that OKAC
can go through, I guess you could say that Indiana's
second option is better than any of Oklahoma City's second
options offense at this point. I mean, why wouldn't you
when you look at what Pascal Siakum has been able
to do. But it's not like they're You look at
the Pacers and say like, oh, they have another top
tier superstar scorer, and it's have you said do they
even have one?
Speaker 1: Because of the way that Haliburton is wired. That's not
an insult.
Speaker 2: This team is deep, it's dynamic, and I think there
might just be something to that. And it's also just
kind of done in service of really using I mean,
even so, they won by nine points in Game three,
Tyre's Haliburton was a team high thirty.
Speaker 1: Six minutes and twenty seconds. That's insane. Yeah, that we're
talking about this team.
Speaker 2: I said coming out of the two things I got
wrong coming out of Game two. I said that you
could probably stand to up some of like the minutes
for certain Pacers guys, and maybe maybe you should play
TJ McConnell less is what I said.
Speaker 1: That's from my exact words, and.
Speaker 3: I think he ended up he I would have co
signed both. I would have Yet you're right, of course.
Speaker 2: He played fifteen minutes and had a trillion steals though,
And I really just I'm starting because I've said this
about the Thunder with their depth, but I think when
you look at indies, do you think there's maybe something
too Okay? Yeah, it's Halliburton in the way that he
is wired, which I think right now it looks borderline infallible.
But then there's like you go through stretches like Game
two and it's like, could the Pacers have done more
to get him shots? Can he be more aggressive? But
then he has hit these insane shots throughout the playoffs,
And so someone who has the ability to toggle between
kind of those existences, even if the one that I
think is the low hanging through, like why can't he
score more or be more aggressive as a shot taker,
feels like it doesn't come to actually to him, like
you said, But like who's the last player, because that's
not You're right, that's not the way that Shay is
why he's the MVP.
Speaker 1: And we both love Shay.
Speaker 2: He's the second best player in the NBA, quite frankly,
but like, there's just something that feels a little bit
more dynamic about the way that you can build your
team or play your team around Tyre's haliburt. And that's
not to say that I think Shay is limiting, but
the way that the Thunder have kind of built their team,
like it's almost like, I mean, what would Indy be
with howt Tyre's haliburn. Yes, we can ask that question,
but the Thunder are so uncomfortably reliant on Shay is
just like the scorer, and it's like with Indy, it's
if Tyri's Haliburton is gonna take thirteen shots in a game,
that's actually okay, right, No.
Speaker 3: I think this touches on something tying two things together.
You mentioned Sakam has been like you can another credit
to you. You've been in on Sacam so much harder
than me for so much longer. I think he's great
as an All Star player, but like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we the Warriors and the King should
be like shamed to hell for like no, like Pascal
Siakam is not the guy we want to go after.
And by the way, very quickly with that, oh no,
actually go ahead, I was gonna have Seakam at the
five in this series has just been like destroying worlds.
Speaker 1: I was just gonna make so no.
Speaker 3: No, we can kind of stay on Seacam because it
gets to something I want to talk about, because I
think the disparity in offensive dynamism is very clear, and
I've attributed a lot of that to Haliburton versus SGA
and how they play and how the supporting cast fit
around those two guys in the In the early stages
of Game three, Siakam got I don't know how many
of they were, probably three or four, it seemed like ten,
just like not open but like very concerted efforts to
enter the ball to him around the free throw line
because that was the soft spot, and he had a
mismatch half the time, and he was hitting tough like
turnaround or like kind of ISO jumpers around the elbows
in the I think it was all in the first quarter,
and so I found myself thinking, because I'm still just
so reluctant to give the Pacers credit. I was like,
you know what, the Thunder are smart because they're gonna
say if if Pascal Siakam's gonna beat us with with
sixteen foot contested jumpers in isolation, will just tip our hat.
Speaker 4: And it's like, but the but the.
Speaker 3: Pacers diagnosed that, like that's where we can eat for
a minute until the thunder adjust. And they did that
and those points all still counted. That wasn't how the
Pacers won, but they banked all those points by doing
the smart thing and having scouted what the Thunder we're doing.
And Haliburton is part of that, exploiting the way that
that the Thunder we're defending. And I like, is Mark
Dagnall just getting badly out coached, because like we agree,
we've just annoyed him. He's been a great coach all year.
We love how do you get guys to defend this hard?
That's all part of it. But like, I don't think
there's any argument to be made that Dagnall has coached
a better like it, has put out better tactics offensively,
has deployed his players more intelligently than Rick Carlisle has,
just like the talent disparity is still I don't care,
it's still on the side of the Thunder. It's like
they just have more talent, just if you're like lining
guys up and you're picking teams. But the Pacers just
put it all in the right place way more often,
and they change what they're doing way more often. Now
I'm sure there's great x's and those people out there
that will tell me I'm wrong. In the Thunder have
made a million adjustments, and like, for whatever reason, it's
not working. I just know when I'm watching it's way
harder to figure out where the Pacers are gonna get
you from because it keeps changing and it's like situationally
based than it is for the Thunder, And that's just
you know, Oh, Sga is just trying to get his
That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying, like that's what
the offense is. It basically like way in down the
stretch of that fourth quarter in Game three, it's it's
not one four flat, but it's like corners and wings
and SGA is trying to beat his guy and maybe
there's a screen and maybe there's not, and it's just
like it's not quite superheliocentric, but it's close enough that
you can't get away with that all the time against
the smart, well coached team that on the other end
is going to hit you from angles you're not expecting.
It's just like, we got to give it up to Carlisle.
I guess right, because it's not just oh, Haliburton plays
this way, SJA plays this way and Haliburton's is working better.
It's coaching, it's it's the lineups, it's everything. The Pacers
just seem like they've had real advantages in all those areas.
Speaker 2: It does seem Mike Carlisle, at least for the series,
has had a better feel of like what types of
lineups or who to roll with when you're looking at
I mean like Ben Shephard in Game three, like yeah,
you like you come out, you go slow down Shage
Gill just Alexander.
Speaker 4: And then tire him out for six minutes at a time.
Speaker 2: And also just like making Shaye work on defense, Like
I think that's been a big thing. And another part too,
is I I very rarely come away like just wondering
like what was Mark Dagnolt like thinking, But after Game
one I wonder why they didn't set screens for Shay
like higher on the floor. They did that in game two.
Then he's struggling to create separation in game three, and
it's like, at that point, set screens in the back
court for him if you have to, just if you're
gonna put the ball in his hands that much or
that's the basis of your offense, why can't you do that?
And the other thing I'm still sort of puzzled by.
And this isn't to say that the dual big lineups
have been killer for them, but like, why isn't this
in Isaiah Hartenstein series? Like are we just gonna every
time he picks up a foul because like you're worried.
I'm sorry, Obi, Top, it's been great.
Speaker 1: Like I've at both ends the floor of this series.
Speaker 2: But if that's like like that's the response, it's just
like I'll be top, and like we don't know if
we I just don't.
Speaker 1: That doesn't sit right with me.
Speaker 2: And I think that we're talking about screening for Shay
like I think it's I say, Hartenstein is pretty clearly
not just their best screener, but if you're looking for
someone to make a decision off the catch, out of
those screens. I just maybe it's ye, maybe it's his frame,
maybe it's just his vision, Like I'm trusting him to
do that more than Chet. Yeah, if I want a
jumper hit, yes, I will trust Shay Gills Up, I
will trust Up. I'll trust Shay more. But I would
trust Chet Holmgrin more than what I say at Hartenstein.
But he just feels too critical to what they're able
to do offensively. And I'm just you look at all
this defensive talent and it's the Pacer is really gonna
find a way to exploit you because you played Hartenstein
more than eighteen minutes in a game I've been I've
been pretty perplexed by that.
Speaker 3: I have too, And I wonder just just thinking of
this now, like, do you think because I feel like
the Pacers some of the lineup choices they've made, it
felt like, oh, that feels like a risk, Like it's
Siakam at center. That feels like, I don't know, man.
Speaker 1: Someone like the bench mob lineups.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you're just like, boy, that's a that's a
flex like or it's just like that's feels desperate. But
I wonder if because coming into this series, the Thunder
were such overwhelming favorites that the Pacers are just like,
fuck it, what do we got to you know, let's
stick with this. If it doesn't work for five possessions,
we'll keep going, Whereas like with the Hartenstein stuff or
or I'm trying to think of other examples, but like
the Thunder, they feel like almost tight sometimes where it's like, ah,
that didn't work, we can't stick with that, like or
or they're just like they're thinking about the limitations of
lineups as opposed to like, well, how can we just
get huge advantages. I don't know something about like just
prohibitive favorite status, which is out the window now because
you're down to one. But like it does feel like
there's less willingness to just try stuff. It's like it's
almost like we're so good that we should just be
able to rely on like what we've done well all year,
which is not like an insane approach, right, Like you
win sixty eight games and you put up these monster
margins in the playoffs, like you don't want you probably
do want to kind of like have the mindset of
like let's stick to what works, but like every series
is different and they only get harder and they only
demand more like creativity, And I wonder if maybe the
Thunder are like a little like a little too hesitant
to to like change things up. I don't know, Like, look,
I'm just flailing.
Speaker 4: I'm searching. Also, we can I say now that, like
if the.
Speaker 3: Thunder just win the next three games by twenty five
points apiece, like that won't be a shocking result.
Speaker 1: I could.
Speaker 3: Would you believe that if if you fast forward it
a couple of weeks and that's the that's how it happened, I.
Speaker 1: Would believe it.
Speaker 2: I think at this point you could tell me on
any outcome though, you could tell me that the Pacers
one in five. At this point, I'd be like, you
know what, I look, and I still think the Thunder
are gonna win this series because I'm still just kind
of dealing with that larger sample size and the pinnacle
we've seen from the Thunder where it's just they can
run rough shot yep over anyone. The Pacers don't have
that level, Like they're more of the scrappy come from
behind and just barely eke out these victories teams, or
they'll take care of business kind of like we saw
and but they've led for what ten percent of the
minutes in this series. I'm not even trying to denigrate them.
It's just ken Oklahoma City ever sustain the peak that
we know that they have. And there's there's we've had
underlying questions here about the offense specifically, but I also
kind of, you know, we're mentioning all these adjustments that
they haven't made or why aren't they trying to do this.
I'm assuming you'll probably get like more even offensive performances
from j dub at some point, but I really just
think Mark dagnelt is gonna start pushing more buttons the rest.
Speaker 1: I don't know how you don't you bet?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: You better? You can't go back?
Speaker 1: Couldn't you look at it.
Speaker 2: And say, like, of the you know what have they played?
So they've played like one hundred and forty six minutes
of the series, and I think the thunder of led
for like what one hundred and thirty minute or whatever
it ends up being, Yeah, cauld you just look at
it and say like, no, like that'll win out Like
you're kind of dealing with small nose samples to where
it doesn't matter. But I I am, and this probably
comes across as disrespectful to the Pacers, but like, I'm
sort of just still amazed that we're here when you've
watched the games, Like, yes, it made like the pay
I mean Game one doesn't. Not none of the Pacers
comebacks make any sense. This is just this is insane,
but like they're so good, but I just wouldn't have
predicted that, Like they're just they're probably they're not favored
to win the series right now, but I wouldn't. I
had the Thunder in five, and I said when I
picked them that I was more tempted to go with
Thunder and four than the Pacers in six. And that's
just for someone who considers like I really do try
and like think critically most of the time about this
and consider myself higher on the Pacers than most. Just
for me to be continuously wrong. Oh, I picked them
to lose against the Calves, I picked them to lose
against the Knicks. I picked them to get trucked by
the Thunder, Like yeah, okay, I'm an idiot, but this
team's also really special.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: No, I think I still think the Thunder will and
should win the series, but I will come whatever happens
it's like you just sort of have to give it
up because I like and really like I do think
the Pacers not to take anything away from the Thunder,
because like the way they're built and like the kind
of the way their cohesiveness and all this stuff, like
that's laudable. We should root for that kind of thing.
The Pacers are just like even more so because they're
they're not supposed to be here.
Speaker 4: They didn't tank everybody.
Speaker 3: You know, Oh they want to be in the middle
for a while. How unambitious and they just they they
they're just here. And the way that they play, and
the way Haliburton plays is like it's it's everything you
should want. Like he's this like preternaturally unselfish superstar that
just wants to make the right decision and create the
best shot for everybody, whoever it is.
Speaker 4: And it's like that sort of it's very Steve.
Speaker 3: Nash and like I'll just I'll just die loving Steve
Nash forever. Like everything about how he plays is just
like my favorite thing. And Haliburton does feel like sort
of an evolutionary version of that.
Speaker 1: Uh the villain the villain arc of Steve Nash, Right.
Speaker 3: I guess I don't know, uh, but I just we
should be rooting for the Pacers, right, Like is it?
Speaker 4: Aren't the Pacers just everything you should want? They're an
underdog like all this other stuff.
Speaker 3: And I guess maybe we got to talk about what's ahead.
I mean, insofar as anything is predictable about this series,
But like, I don't know, I just I I find
myself wanting the Thunder to win because that makes sense
to me and it would align with like how I
understand the league, But like, shouldn't I want the Pacers
to win because that's way cooler and I like so
much of what Halibert represents.
Speaker 2: I root for chaos, which means that I probably should
be rooting for the Pacers. But I'm so just I
really don't have a rooting interest in this other than
like I feel like we were in front of the
Thunder before they were actually really good and where everyone's like,
oh this is despicable.
Speaker 1: It was like, oh no, no, like they're gonna be fine.
Speaker 2: But I find myself fearing the discourse around Oklahoma City
if they've lose this series, and h when you're talking
about saying it helps you understand the game, but also
kind of rooting for the Thunder is evading because you
can't if there's anything that all the Pacers need to
break it up or they need to go trade for
your honest right now because they lost to the thunder
team in a minimum of six games. No STFU if
anyone's saying that. So I like, but that's it. I'm
just I think I'm more so. It's uncomfortable, but in
a really fun way to where I don't feel like
I have a great hold on this series anymore. And
I came in I thought I had a great hold
on what was gonna happen even after Game one. I
can't know like this stuff, but yeah, I like and
loath that feeling at the same time, if it makes
any sense.
Speaker 3: So, looking ahead, do you think that Oklahoma City will
find ways to more consistently generate offense, particularly like down
the stretch of games.
Speaker 4: And if you do, what does that look like?
Speaker 3: Because that's the core issue right now is like just
laid in two of these games, they've gone cold and
they've lost.
Speaker 1: What does that look like?
Speaker 2: I do expect it to hit at some point, and
I think Jay Dubbs showed flashes in Game three that
we hadn't really seen through the first two games of
the series, and I do think that what it's probably
gonna look like is and maybe that's a win for
UH Indiana. I do feel like their late game offense
is gonna be more variable to whereas you're not it's
like what it And by the way, I guess you
could say it was variable in game three because didn't
Shaye take one shot in the fourth quarter. I just
I just feel like they need to find a way
to give him more like offensive in game breaks to
where and I think that's gonna come back to like, well,
what is the secondary cast doing? And I don't know
if that means I know what Aaron Wiggins have like
nine fouls and eight minutes or something in game three.
Speaker 1: Like can you get more out it?
Speaker 2: Because like that's someone you're looking for a scoring punch
that doesn't feel like it's an Isaiah Joe series. He
comes in in game three and the paces are immediately
going after him. I think I think what it's gonna
look like is they're either going to figure out a
way to get more separation for Shay or there's just
gonna be more variability to their attack when you're looking
like a specially especially down the street, in a way
that's by design and not necessarily like forced or coaxed
by the Pacers.
Speaker 1: And look, another thing we haven't mentioned it.
Speaker 2: They had a lot of like kudos to TJ McConnell
on the Pacers defense, but like they just had a
lot of like brain farty turnovers the Thunder did in
game three.
Speaker 1: I think Shay even said something about it, like.
Speaker 2: You can't three pickpockets by TJ McConnell out of the
inbound Like come on.
Speaker 1: You can't. You're the Thunder. You can't do that.
Speaker 4: You know, he won? Like what like how many.
Speaker 1: The first one? Like maybe maybe think about it.
Speaker 3: That and like how many seconds into the TJ McConnell
like scouting film is, does someone come on it and
say like hey and tap on the screen and say
he tries to steal the ball in the back court dummies,
Like we'll pay attention, he's gonna do that, Like that's
so yeah, Unforced errors, I think is the term that
all the Thunder guys kept using, And yeah, like that's
if TJ McConnell gets backward steals, that is an unforced
error because you should know that's what he's trying to
do like all the time. I I think I agree
with you that just almost by default, the Thunders offense
has to start looking more variable and dynamic, Like they
got to know that it can't just be an exhausted
SGA with a screen or not trying to get into
get to a spot and make something happen.
Speaker 4: I don't.
Speaker 3: I just think like you have to have Jalen Williams
be hyper aggressive, like for more than the opening minutes
of I think it was the third quarter in Game
three where he got to the basket like three times
in a row, and it's like that's an element this
team really needs, if only because SGA doesn't have to
do anything when Jalen Williams is playing like that, And
maybe that is all it takes for him to have
another ninety seconds of wind at the end of the game,
like it just somebody else run the show, be aggressive,
bend the defense, create a shot just a few more
times in the first forty two minutes of the game,
and maybe that's just the difference and all that's enough
for the Thunder to hold on and stave off Indy
runs and or comebacks. Defensively, I still think there's gonna
be you could say it was Game two, But I
do think we're gonna get another Thunder game where it's
like they forced how many turnovers, they created, how many
fast break points off those where they just win a
game like that, because I don't.
Speaker 4: I don't.
Speaker 3: I think that's more likely, in fact, than the Thunder
suddenly looking like you know, the seven seconds or less
suns on offense. I think I think they're gonna have
a game where defensively they just do the they are.
Speaker 4: Who we thought they were kind of thing.
Speaker 3: And if they could do that more than once the
rest of the series, then then you feel really good
about the thunders chances. But defensively, I think that's where
it's gotta happen. But I agree, like, if the Thunder
can't and don't just look like something going.
Speaker 2: This is so unscientific, but I don't know that I've
ever watched multiple Thunder games with it. I don't know
if I watch a single Thunder game this year before
this year is coming away thinking, man, they look gassed,
and just in the fourth quarters where it's like they're
averaging a point per possession on offense for the fourth
quarter and give this is the bigger one Indie in
the fourth quarter is aftering one point four to two points,
which is you're.
Speaker 4: Gonna win a lot of quarters if you're doing that right.
Speaker 2: And I just like I'm watching the Thunder defense, it's like, yeah,
like there they can still be exhaustive, but they look
exhausted and I don't know when the last I mean again,
I think it's look if you watch the Pacers, like
away from the ball in the half court when they're
actually in it, or just the idea that have the
Thunder ever faced a team that will look and they
haven't done it all series, like the Pacers will look
to run after these makes, like that's what they were
able to do that in Game one some and then
they I feel like they were really able to do
that in Game three. So maybe that's just putting like
a pressure point on the Thunder defense. They haven't really
had a reconcile.
Speaker 1: With just yet.
Speaker 2: But that's just like that's what just makes it so
uncomfortable is I'm fine with adjusting my priors, but it's
so hard to project forward in this series other than
to say that I am excited and we're getting a
hell of a series that feels like, I mean, it's
going at least six, and at this point I kind
of expect it to go seven, I.
Speaker 3: Know, and I hope it does, just because I want
more of this. Yeah, it's been awesome so far. It's
been surprising, it's been revealing in good and bad ways.
Is about both of these teams? Well, I mean mostly
good for the Pacers, to be honest. But yeah, I
think it's been great and this is not what I expected.
I thought this series was gonna be pretty lame and
over quickly, and it has been neither of those things.
Speaker 2: All right, let's do forty five minutes on the ratings
talk now, don't care.
Speaker 1: Are you ready to take us out of here unless
you have.
Speaker 4: Anything else that Thanks everybody. No, I think we've spoken plenty.
Speaker 3: It'll all be dated by the time this goes up, anyway,
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