WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.680 --> 00:00:04.080 If a four year old saw a doctor cutting open 2 00:00:04.120 --> 00:00:06.599 his mom with a knife, that four year old might 3 00:00:06.639 --> 00:00:08.119 think that the doctor was evil. 4 00:00:08.519 --> 00:00:10.000 But once that child. 5 00:00:09.800 --> 00:00:13.240 Understands that his mom has cancer and the doctor was 6 00:00:13.279 --> 00:00:17.440 actually performing surgery to save her life, his perception might change. 7 00:00:18.039 --> 00:00:20.839 This is how many believers explain the way that evil 8 00:00:21.120 --> 00:00:24.480 we read about in their sacred text. We don't have 9 00:00:24.600 --> 00:00:28.440 the full picture, okay, but wouldn't that work the other 10 00:00:28.480 --> 00:00:31.760 way around. Imagine the same four year old sees a 11 00:00:31.879 --> 00:00:35.679 nurse walks into his mom's hospital room carrying balloons and 12 00:00:35.759 --> 00:00:36.960 a cup of ice cream. 13 00:00:37.439 --> 00:00:41.399 That child, the nurse is good to that child. 14 00:00:41.719 --> 00:00:44.159 What he doesn't know is that the nurse is a 15 00:00:44.240 --> 00:00:47.719 disgruntled employee who isn't even supposed to be in the room. 16 00:00:48.079 --> 00:00:50.679 And while his mom is distracted by the ice cream, 17 00:00:50.920 --> 00:00:54.560 the nurse injects a deadly poison into her iv and 18 00:00:54.719 --> 00:00:59.159 suddenly the goodness that child perceived was actually a necessary 19 00:00:59.359 --> 00:01:04.280 step or something horrific. So if our limited human perspective 20 00:01:04.680 --> 00:01:08.680 means we can't look at seemingly evil actions and conclude 21 00:01:08.719 --> 00:01:11.840 that God is evil, how can we look at seemingly 22 00:01:11.920 --> 00:01:15.200 good actions and conclude that God is good for all? 23 00:01:15.239 --> 00:01:18.400 We know those seemingly good things could be a cosmic 24 00:01:18.480 --> 00:01:23.760 distraction or a necessary stepping stone towards something grand, incomprehensible 25 00:01:23.840 --> 00:01:27.079 disaster in the distant future. So with that being said, 26 00:01:27.680 --> 00:01:31.159 let's have a real discussion about the morality of your 27 00:01:31.200 --> 00:01:34.959 God and skip the antiques. If you're going to tell 28 00:01:35.000 --> 00:01:38.680 me that your God is perfectly good, loving, just, and 29 00:01:38.760 --> 00:01:41.879 worthy of worship, then I think I'm allowed to look 30 00:01:41.920 --> 00:01:45.519 at that God's behavior and ask by what moral standard. 31 00:01:46.040 --> 00:01:50.680 Power doesn't automatically equal goodness. Authority doesn't automatically equal morality, 32 00:01:50.920 --> 00:01:55.480 and worship doesn't make an action ethical. So tonight I 33 00:01:55.519 --> 00:01:58.040 want to talk about the morality of the God's people 34 00:01:58.079 --> 00:02:01.200 worship and whether we're actually judging their actions by our 35 00:02:01.280 --> 00:02:04.680 moral standard or simply giving them an exemption from one. 36 00:02:05.079 --> 00:02:07.879 If you disagree with the statement and don't believe your 37 00:02:07.879 --> 00:02:10.879 God is a moral monster, call in and tell us why. 38 00:02:11.360 --> 00:02:13.719 Or maybe you agree with us and would like to 39 00:02:13.719 --> 00:02:16.439 share why, call in or request up on TikTok. 40 00:02:16.759 --> 00:02:17.800 I'm your host, thinker. 41 00:02:18.120 --> 00:02:23.879 This is the atheist experience, and the show starts right now. 42 00:02:29.599 --> 00:02:31.800 Welcome, Welcome, everybody. 43 00:02:31.919 --> 00:02:34.240 That is such a beautiful audience out there. 44 00:02:34.639 --> 00:02:36.560 I know there's a lot of people. 45 00:02:37.039 --> 00:02:39.599 Yeah, so excited, beautiful. Thank you. 46 00:02:40.759 --> 00:02:45.360 Today is today is August sixteenth, twenty twenty six, and 47 00:02:45.400 --> 00:02:47.759 we want to welcome all of you to the Atheist Experience. 48 00:02:47.800 --> 00:02:50.240 Thank you so much for joining us. I'm your host. 49 00:02:50.039 --> 00:02:52.960 Thinker and joining me right now is Godless Engineer. 50 00:02:52.960 --> 00:02:53.960 How are you doing today, guys? 51 00:02:54.319 --> 00:02:57.960 You know, I'm hot. It is hot out here. At 52 00:02:58.039 --> 00:03:00.599 least it's not human which is what it usually is 53 00:03:00.639 --> 00:03:04.199 in Alabama and that's where you drown just in you know, 54 00:03:04.280 --> 00:03:07.560 the open air. But yeah, it's hot. I've been outside, 55 00:03:08.080 --> 00:03:11.120 you know, talking with everybody, just enjoying the community and everything, 56 00:03:11.159 --> 00:03:11.960 and it's been great. 57 00:03:12.120 --> 00:03:15.520 Yeah, this is my first time in Austin, and I 58 00:03:15.639 --> 00:03:18.520 must say that it is a it's a beautiful city. 59 00:03:19.479 --> 00:03:21.439 It's not as hot as everybody told me. 60 00:03:21.520 --> 00:03:23.159 Like it's gonna be one hundred and twelve degrees and 61 00:03:23.159 --> 00:03:26.719 as soon as you get there, like you might become dehydrated. 62 00:03:26.960 --> 00:03:29.319 Make sure you have a fan around your neck because 63 00:03:29.599 --> 00:03:31.599 like all the water in your body's gonna like dry up. 64 00:03:31.639 --> 00:03:32.759 I was so terrified. 65 00:03:33.159 --> 00:03:36.240 Yeah, my wife. Luckily, I have my wife here with me, 66 00:03:36.360 --> 00:03:38.680 and she's been keeping water like in front of me 67 00:03:38.759 --> 00:03:40.840 the entire time, like, don't get to drink, don't forget 68 00:03:40.840 --> 00:03:41.240 to drink. 69 00:03:41.560 --> 00:03:42.520 That's good, that's good. 70 00:03:42.800 --> 00:03:47.199 I would say Austin is a very interesting place and 71 00:03:47.400 --> 00:03:49.919 I definitely want to come back more often. I enjoyed 72 00:03:49.919 --> 00:03:53.280 meeting a lot of people in the ACA community. Yesterday 73 00:03:53.479 --> 00:03:56.159 was the famous back cruise and we had a lot 74 00:03:56.240 --> 00:03:56.560 of fun. 75 00:03:56.719 --> 00:03:58.159 I learned a lot about bats. 76 00:04:00.400 --> 00:04:04.360 I learned a lot about bats, and I've been asking everybody, like, 77 00:04:04.400 --> 00:04:06.879 what is the obsession that Austin. 78 00:04:06.560 --> 00:04:09.560 Has with bats? What's the obsession? Do you know? 79 00:04:10.439 --> 00:04:13.159 I actually I have no idea. Sorry, I was waiting 80 00:04:13.199 --> 00:04:16.399 to get up there on TikTok. I don't know what 81 00:04:16.439 --> 00:04:19.160 the obsession with bats is, although I am a batman fan, 82 00:04:19.560 --> 00:04:21.480 so I mean, I don't know if maybe that's it, 83 00:04:21.560 --> 00:04:27.639 But definitely bats are an interesting you know, I guess 84 00:04:27.720 --> 00:04:31.079 a group of organisms. Maybe it stems from the Bible, 85 00:04:31.079 --> 00:04:33.519 where the Bible labels them as birds, do you know? 86 00:04:33.600 --> 00:04:36.079 I thought about that all day yesterday, Like every time 87 00:04:36.120 --> 00:04:38.959 I learned something new about the bats, I was thinking 88 00:04:39.000 --> 00:04:42.040 to myself, like, how could God get this wrong and 89 00:04:42.160 --> 00:04:43.079 label these. 90 00:04:43.040 --> 00:04:44.199 Creatures as birds? 91 00:04:45.360 --> 00:04:48.000 Like there's so many different types of bats, Like I did. 92 00:04:48.399 --> 00:04:49.800 How did Jesus get that wrong? 93 00:04:50.360 --> 00:04:55.600 Yeah, I can only imagine that. You know, I don't 94 00:04:55.639 --> 00:04:58.240 have a good answer to like, if he's omniscient, he 95 00:04:58.279 --> 00:04:59.519 should know, but he doesn't. 96 00:04:59.639 --> 00:05:02.079 Yeah, maybe a Christian will tell us. I don't know, 97 00:05:02.439 --> 00:05:06.360 but yeah. 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Give us a call at five one two 122 00:06:22.240 --> 00:06:26.519 nine nine two four to two, or visit ACA dot 123 00:06:26.560 --> 00:06:29.560 show for a slash call. So, God, lets tell me 124 00:06:30.600 --> 00:06:35.399 when you first started, because you were a Christian before, right, 125 00:06:35.600 --> 00:06:39.519 so when you first started deconstructing or moving towards atheism, 126 00:06:40.120 --> 00:06:43.759 was morality of the God a decision maker for you? 127 00:06:45.439 --> 00:06:45.959 Not at all? 128 00:06:47.000 --> 00:06:47.279 Okay? 129 00:06:47.319 --> 00:06:50.600 Well, yeah, so when I was a Christian, I didn't 130 00:06:50.639 --> 00:06:53.800 really give too many thoughts about, like at least critical 131 00:06:53.839 --> 00:06:56.319 thoughts about what's in the Bible and how the Bible 132 00:06:56.720 --> 00:07:00.480 presents the Christian God as far as morality. It goes 133 00:07:00.519 --> 00:07:05.680 like really critically analyzing, uh, the God of the Bible 134 00:07:05.720 --> 00:07:09.120 and his morals. Because I did that thing. And it's 135 00:07:09.120 --> 00:07:10.639 something that I've come to notice with a lot of 136 00:07:10.639 --> 00:07:13.680 people out there now is that they they create a 137 00:07:13.800 --> 00:07:17.399 romanticized version of both God and Jesus in their heads, 138 00:07:17.600 --> 00:07:21.240 and they attribute their own moral foundations and their their 139 00:07:21.279 --> 00:07:26.120 moral uh conclusions and everything like that to that particularly 140 00:07:26.199 --> 00:07:29.279 romanticized figure, and so they just end up taking on 141 00:07:29.480 --> 00:07:34.120 whatever kind of moral you know, uh, moral conclusions or 142 00:07:34.199 --> 00:07:37.720 moral positions that you have, and that ends up just 143 00:07:37.800 --> 00:07:39.360 being kind of their position. 144 00:07:39.480 --> 00:07:39.639 Right. 145 00:07:39.720 --> 00:07:43.160 So I never, I never, you know, was bigoted towards 146 00:07:43.279 --> 00:07:46.279 LGBTQ people, even though I had, you know, that kind 147 00:07:46.279 --> 00:07:48.399 of thrown in my face all the time, and it 148 00:07:48.519 --> 00:07:52.839 was definitely uh you know, and I guess intrinsically taught 149 00:07:52.839 --> 00:07:54.839 to me, or it was it was ingrained in me, 150 00:07:55.360 --> 00:07:59.839 uh you know, the the misogyny as well as homophobian 151 00:07:59.879 --> 00:08:03.399 and everything like that growing up, as you know, says 152 00:08:03.399 --> 00:08:06.000 hat white man in the South. That was just something 153 00:08:06.040 --> 00:08:09.600 that I was exposed to, and I didn't realize until 154 00:08:09.680 --> 00:08:11.839 later that some of those concepts were that way. But 155 00:08:11.879 --> 00:08:13.759 it was kind of like I was always at odds 156 00:08:13.759 --> 00:08:16.120 with myself because I never had a problem, but at 157 00:08:16.160 --> 00:08:18.360 the same time, like I'd been taught these things, So 158 00:08:18.399 --> 00:08:20.759 it's kind of like a little bit of cognitive dissonance 159 00:08:20.800 --> 00:08:23.560 there that I usually resolved with like just being a 160 00:08:23.600 --> 00:08:27.399 good person and just not really understanding the connection to 161 00:08:27.439 --> 00:08:28.279 religion that it had. 162 00:08:28.399 --> 00:08:32.200 Really, I can understand that I don't even remember the 163 00:08:32.200 --> 00:08:36.840 word morals or morality coming up in any sermon whatsoever. 164 00:08:36.919 --> 00:08:40.519 And it wasn't until I started deconstructing and having these 165 00:08:40.600 --> 00:08:44.679 types of conversations that people started actually identifying. 166 00:08:44.200 --> 00:08:47.480 The be good people as morals. 167 00:08:47.919 --> 00:08:49.879 And I find that when I talk to a lot 168 00:08:49.879 --> 00:08:53.120 of believers that they don't know what the knowledge of 169 00:08:53.159 --> 00:08:55.600 good and evil is in the garden, and they don't 170 00:08:56.039 --> 00:09:01.039 realize that that's talking about a moral conscience. And my 171 00:09:01.279 --> 00:09:04.720 biggest question is like, if your God is so moral 172 00:09:04.919 --> 00:09:06.639 and is so concerned. 173 00:09:06.360 --> 00:09:09.120 With your morality, why would. 174 00:09:08.960 --> 00:09:11.559 He would Why does his story start off with him 175 00:09:11.799 --> 00:09:16.120 commanding humanity not to gain the ability right to assess 176 00:09:16.159 --> 00:09:19.720 their own morality? And I think the reason for that 177 00:09:20.000 --> 00:09:23.039 is because the God isn't moral, and the God like 178 00:09:23.399 --> 00:09:28.519 wants you to anything that the God commands or does, 179 00:09:29.279 --> 00:09:31.320 you have to see it as good or evil if 180 00:09:31.679 --> 00:09:33.960 that doctrine says that it is right. 181 00:09:34.039 --> 00:09:37.159 So like you talk about the LGBTQI. 182 00:09:36.519 --> 00:09:40.440 A community, if the God of a specific religion says 183 00:09:40.519 --> 00:09:44.399 that being gay is immoral, then you have to adopt 184 00:09:44.399 --> 00:09:48.080 that because you are just a believer. 185 00:09:48.279 --> 00:09:50.240 There's a you know, a follower. 186 00:09:49.960 --> 00:09:52.919 Of the God, and you just do whatever they say, 187 00:09:53.080 --> 00:09:55.799 what the doctrine says, right, because you can't decide that 188 00:09:55.879 --> 00:09:57.519 on your own now. 189 00:09:57.759 --> 00:10:00.639 Yeah, And I think that a lot of Christian out there, 190 00:10:00.759 --> 00:10:04.960 they don't exactly think too deeply about what the religion 191 00:10:05.000 --> 00:10:06.840 actually says. I think that a lot of them have 192 00:10:06.919 --> 00:10:12.320 been indoctrinated with a sense of divine command theory just 193 00:10:12.720 --> 00:10:16.159 simply that God says that it's this way. And I've 194 00:10:16.559 --> 00:10:19.120 heard it so many times out there where people are like, well, 195 00:10:19.159 --> 00:10:22.440 I'm not saying this, God is saying that it's wrong 196 00:10:22.559 --> 00:10:26.480 to be you know, homosexual, or God says that it's 197 00:10:26.600 --> 00:10:30.879 wrong to whatever position they want to want to support 198 00:10:30.960 --> 00:10:33.679 right there, And so they use it as a shield 199 00:10:33.720 --> 00:10:36.600 in order to protect themselves from accountability. And I feel like, 200 00:10:36.840 --> 00:10:38.399 you know, that's kind of what a lot of the 201 00:10:38.440 --> 00:10:44.960 moral like, some of the moral considerations of the apologetic 202 00:10:45.000 --> 00:10:49.639 surrounding the argument for morality for God kind of centers 203 00:10:49.679 --> 00:10:54.039 around is just you know, not having to take moral 204 00:10:54.080 --> 00:10:57.320 accountability for the shitty opinions that you hold. 205 00:10:58.639 --> 00:11:01.879 Yeah, And that's the gape goat for the God of 206 00:11:01.919 --> 00:11:05.720 the Bible, God of christanity typically right is that it 207 00:11:05.759 --> 00:11:08.440 doesn't have to be held accountable because it's not a 208 00:11:08.559 --> 00:11:13.320 human and is not it can't be judged by our 209 00:11:13.399 --> 00:11:16.399 human standments. But yet we as humans have to speak 210 00:11:16.440 --> 00:11:22.360 for the God right standard right because you can't do 211 00:11:22.519 --> 00:11:24.919 that with your human brain. And it's like, well, what 212 00:11:24.960 --> 00:11:29.480 brain are you using? Right to like, whose brain are 213 00:11:29.519 --> 00:11:33.519 you using? Well, God told me this, you were able 214 00:11:33.519 --> 00:11:37.240 to access a God's brain. And this is the biggest 215 00:11:37.279 --> 00:11:40.919 issue that I have when if when people say that 216 00:11:41.519 --> 00:11:45.519 God is a creator of life, therefore God is has 217 00:11:45.679 --> 00:11:49.519 all right and soleign power to take life, and they 218 00:11:49.559 --> 00:11:55.759 give that reason for a God commanding humans to go 219 00:11:55.799 --> 00:11:59.919 into another land and slaughter those humans, and they say, well, 220 00:12:00.240 --> 00:12:01.559 God has a right to do that. 221 00:12:02.080 --> 00:12:04.919 Then to me, that proposes a problem for. 222 00:12:06.519 --> 00:12:10.120 Morality as a whole when it comes to humanity, right, 223 00:12:10.240 --> 00:12:14.840 then it makes morality random. Any person could say, well, 224 00:12:14.879 --> 00:12:17.639 God talked to me and told me to execute divine 225 00:12:17.720 --> 00:12:20.360 judgment on these this group of people because they're not 226 00:12:20.399 --> 00:12:24.000 living the way God says live, And then that person 227 00:12:24.120 --> 00:12:24.639 is then. 228 00:12:24.519 --> 00:12:28.480 Held liable by the law in our world, the. 229 00:12:28.519 --> 00:12:32.519 Human world, And a judge says, well, you don't have 230 00:12:32.559 --> 00:12:35.360 a way to prove that God told you to do that, right, 231 00:12:35.799 --> 00:12:39.519 You have no way of showing any evidence that God 232 00:12:39.559 --> 00:12:42.440 told you to execute divine justice. But we're supposed to 233 00:12:42.519 --> 00:12:48.399 accept that same reason when we're discussing Samuel telling Saul 234 00:12:48.519 --> 00:12:52.440 that God told him to execute judgment. It doesn't hold 235 00:12:52.519 --> 00:12:54.080 up in our world, why should it hold up in 236 00:12:55.279 --> 00:12:57.759 the world of the belief right? You see what I'm saying. 237 00:12:59.480 --> 00:13:01.399 It looks like we do have somebody in the guest 238 00:13:01.440 --> 00:13:04.200 request over there on the TikTok that we can pull 239 00:13:04.279 --> 00:13:07.200 up real quick. They may be a friendly though. 240 00:13:09.399 --> 00:13:11.679 Okay, yeah, let's see. 241 00:13:14.480 --> 00:13:20.440 Flowy, Yeah, we got you are. 242 00:13:21.759 --> 00:13:23.279 I didn't mean to come up. 243 00:13:26.759 --> 00:13:29.879 It's okay, friendly, Sorry, no worries. We'll take you to 244 00:13:30.000 --> 00:13:30.559 have a good one. 245 00:13:30.600 --> 00:13:35.639 Okay, thanks, all right, all right, she said, oh no, 246 00:13:36.720 --> 00:13:44.159 but but yeah. 247 00:13:41.960 --> 00:13:45.480 Uh so. You know, one thing that I find with 248 00:13:45.759 --> 00:13:51.240 the whole uh moral argument is that they always want 249 00:13:51.279 --> 00:13:54.039 to portray it as having like some kind of objective 250 00:13:54.559 --> 00:13:58.440 moral standard, right, just because they're appealing to God's standard 251 00:13:58.559 --> 00:14:01.159 or something like that. But what I find is that 252 00:14:02.000 --> 00:14:05.960 by them trying to appeal to God's standard, it really 253 00:14:06.559 --> 00:14:09.440 causes them to deviate away from any kind of like 254 00:14:09.600 --> 00:14:14.759 human centered standard. You fail to, you know, take into 255 00:14:14.799 --> 00:14:18.559 account how your moral actions or your moral conclusions affect 256 00:14:18.600 --> 00:14:21.720 your fellow man, and instead you're just doing things to 257 00:14:21.799 --> 00:14:25.440 appease the wizard in the sky that you know, you 258 00:14:25.600 --> 00:14:27.600 think is going to punish you if you don't follow 259 00:14:27.639 --> 00:14:30.879 his rules, which I mean, honestly, I prefer to go 260 00:14:30.960 --> 00:14:34.360 the harder route of, you know, making the determination about 261 00:14:34.440 --> 00:14:37.279 how my actions affect other people, not whether or not 262 00:14:37.399 --> 00:14:43.200 some magical Merlin and magical Merlin's oxymoron, you know, the 263 00:14:44.159 --> 00:14:46.799 masterful Merlin that exists in the sky. 264 00:14:47.200 --> 00:14:47.399 You know. 265 00:14:48.440 --> 00:14:54.080 I feel like focusing on what appeases that particular figure 266 00:14:54.639 --> 00:14:58.519 just is an easy way to dehumanize people in your 267 00:14:58.519 --> 00:15:00.799 community as well as just in general. 268 00:15:01.080 --> 00:15:03.200 Yeah, but I think that's the only time that a 269 00:15:03.240 --> 00:15:06.399 lot of believers do it right. They don't expect that 270 00:15:06.440 --> 00:15:11.200 same type of standard when it has to do with 271 00:15:11.639 --> 00:15:15.639 their own actions, but when they're wanting to dictate the 272 00:15:15.679 --> 00:15:19.720 way another person lives, right, I don't think believers go 273 00:15:19.799 --> 00:15:23.399 around thinking that is okay for another person to get 274 00:15:23.440 --> 00:15:26.559 a command from a god that says, kick your child 275 00:15:26.600 --> 00:15:30.960 out the house, or you know, go and murder you know, 276 00:15:31.080 --> 00:15:33.039 these group of people because they're different and they're not 277 00:15:33.240 --> 00:15:36.279 living according to which is why I say a lot 278 00:15:36.320 --> 00:15:40.080 of I would love to talk to a believer that 279 00:15:40.120 --> 00:15:43.919 can help me understand why we should see divine command 280 00:15:43.960 --> 00:15:49.360 theory as acceptable when we're talking about these stories in 281 00:15:49.399 --> 00:15:53.840 their sacred text, and why it's not why they know 282 00:15:54.000 --> 00:15:59.120 it's not acceptable and our reality right in our objective reality, right, 283 00:15:59.159 --> 00:16:00.879 you know, Yeah, I do. 284 00:16:00.840 --> 00:16:04.840 Think that we got a question from the audience, so 285 00:16:05.720 --> 00:16:06.679 can we go to that question? 286 00:16:06.840 --> 00:16:09.440 Yeah, all right, all right, all right. 287 00:16:09.519 --> 00:16:11.519 First of all, welcome to Austin. I hope you all 288 00:16:12.120 --> 00:16:16.120 enjoying your say. So, I was wondering, regardless of God's 289 00:16:16.120 --> 00:16:19.679 actual character, do you think religion is a useful tool 290 00:16:19.759 --> 00:16:23.000 in any case for getting people who would otherwise be 291 00:16:23.600 --> 00:16:29.759 unvirtuous or wicked even to sort of be more moral 292 00:16:29.840 --> 00:16:32.879 because the God said so at fear of divine punishment. 293 00:16:35.240 --> 00:16:38.519 I think it has done that, you know, no more 294 00:16:38.559 --> 00:16:43.879 than jail has, you know, stopped people from committing crimes 295 00:16:43.879 --> 00:16:46.440 because they don't want to lose their freedom. Religion has 296 00:16:46.480 --> 00:16:52.000 definitely been able been used to shape different behaviors in 297 00:16:52.080 --> 00:16:58.120 society as humanity grew and learn how to live in communities. 298 00:16:58.519 --> 00:17:01.159 Whether or not it's still a needed tool for the 299 00:17:01.200 --> 00:17:04.680 majority of humanity, I don't think so. But I do 300 00:17:04.720 --> 00:17:10.440 think that unfortunately, some adults are immature and still need 301 00:17:10.519 --> 00:17:15.319 that parent or that that ruler to keep them from 302 00:17:15.359 --> 00:17:19.920 harming another person. But I think if anything, one our 303 00:17:20.160 --> 00:17:24.440 criminal justice system, if we focus more on rehabilitating people 304 00:17:24.519 --> 00:17:32.359 who have those desires, rehabilitating their their thoughts and their ideas, 305 00:17:32.759 --> 00:17:36.200 and then also therapy pushing more so, like getting to 306 00:17:36.240 --> 00:17:38.640 the root of why a person wants to, you know, 307 00:17:38.799 --> 00:17:42.160 cause another person harm and and for some of those 308 00:17:42.160 --> 00:17:44.640 people you may have to keep them separate from uh 309 00:17:45.359 --> 00:17:48.960 other people. But I do think that religion has served 310 00:17:49.319 --> 00:17:51.400 its purpose in that in that area, But I don't 311 00:17:51.400 --> 00:17:54.000 think it's necessary to keep going now. 312 00:17:54.119 --> 00:17:57.480 I I think that anything that can be accomplished by 313 00:17:57.839 --> 00:18:00.799 you know, using religion in order to affect that is 314 00:18:01.680 --> 00:18:03.960 going to be better accomplished by, you know, taking a 315 00:18:03.960 --> 00:18:06.640 more either secular humanist route or just humans route in general. 316 00:18:06.680 --> 00:18:08.720 It doesn't have to be secular necessarily. It can be 317 00:18:09.119 --> 00:18:12.079 sort of a theistic sort of humanism. But I think 318 00:18:12.079 --> 00:18:15.079 that humanism, I would think, would be a better route 319 00:18:15.079 --> 00:18:18.759 to go. I mean, sure, that there are there are 320 00:18:18.799 --> 00:18:24.720 people out there with certain you know, I guess mental 321 00:18:24.720 --> 00:18:28.279 illnesses might be the better or the accurate way to 322 00:18:28.559 --> 00:18:32.720 represent that that, you know, whether psychopaths or sociopaths or 323 00:18:32.759 --> 00:18:36.240 however that's classified now. I think that you could still 324 00:18:36.279 --> 00:18:39.519 appeal to them using humanism as a sort of a 325 00:18:39.640 --> 00:18:43.759 rigid rule set, as opposed to having to threaten them with, 326 00:18:43.920 --> 00:18:47.440 you know, either eternal damnation or use religion in some 327 00:18:47.519 --> 00:18:50.680 kind of subversive way. I think that the more honest 328 00:18:50.720 --> 00:18:53.279 that you can be about something, the better off somebody 329 00:18:53.319 --> 00:18:53.799 is going to be. 330 00:18:54.359 --> 00:18:57.599 I think really like in today's world that is it 331 00:18:57.880 --> 00:19:00.480 really the fear of hell that's stopping people from harming 332 00:19:00.519 --> 00:19:03.599 another person? Or is it just that they're saying right 333 00:19:03.680 --> 00:19:05.680 that it is because at the end of the day, 334 00:19:06.000 --> 00:19:08.559 like I said, a person can say all day God 335 00:19:08.640 --> 00:19:11.599 told me to go over there and kill this person. 336 00:19:12.400 --> 00:19:15.440 They know they're gonna have to face the judges, right 337 00:19:15.480 --> 00:19:20.240 the law of the land, and regardless of what Jesus 338 00:19:20.559 --> 00:19:23.680 Joseph Jarra told you. 339 00:19:22.680 --> 00:19:25.759 The law is going to you know, lock you up. 340 00:19:25.880 --> 00:19:28.720 If you know you go to trial, God isn't going 341 00:19:28.759 --> 00:19:30.440 to be able to get you out of that. And 342 00:19:30.519 --> 00:19:34.480 so I think like people can make the claim that 343 00:19:34.680 --> 00:19:39.039 religion has you know, stopped them from committing a violent crime, 344 00:19:39.119 --> 00:19:42.240 but in reality, like I think, we have justice, criminal 345 00:19:42.279 --> 00:19:46.000 justice systems and laws established that are probably a lot 346 00:19:46.039 --> 00:19:49.680 more powerful and convincing people not to do dumb shit. 347 00:19:50.559 --> 00:19:56.160 So, uh, you know, I guess that kind of that 348 00:19:56.559 --> 00:20:01.640 made me think of the whole idea of atheists just 349 00:20:01.680 --> 00:20:04.079 want to sin, Like they always make it out to 350 00:20:04.119 --> 00:20:06.480 be like atheists or atheists because they want to sin. 351 00:20:06.519 --> 00:20:07.960 They don't want to be held to any kind of 352 00:20:08.000 --> 00:20:11.599 standard by God or anything like that. And I find 353 00:20:11.640 --> 00:20:15.519 that that's such a bullshit thing to say about atheists, 354 00:20:15.640 --> 00:20:19.440 especially when you consider how many Christians out there freely 355 00:20:19.559 --> 00:20:22.799 sin perfectly fine and they just ask for forgiveness. 356 00:20:23.400 --> 00:20:26.759 Have you ever asked them, like, what sin can I 357 00:20:26.839 --> 00:20:29.119 commit as an atheist that you can't commit as a Christian? 358 00:20:29.319 --> 00:20:29.640 Yeah? 359 00:20:29.680 --> 00:20:30.839 And what do they say? 360 00:20:31.119 --> 00:20:31.240 Oh? 361 00:20:31.319 --> 00:20:34.680 Yeah, They're always obviously they're going to be like, well, no, 362 00:20:34.960 --> 00:20:37.720 we've all sinned and fallen short in the glory of God. 363 00:20:37.880 --> 00:20:38.039 Right. 364 00:20:38.279 --> 00:20:41.440 They can never point out any specific sin that is, 365 00:20:42.400 --> 00:20:44.119 you know, something that they want to do, unless they 366 00:20:44.119 --> 00:20:48.440 can be misogynistic or homophobic, either one of those two things. 367 00:20:48.440 --> 00:20:51.160 They'll act like, oh, it's because you know, you want 368 00:20:51.160 --> 00:20:54.240 to be gay or you want to support the LGBTQ 369 00:20:54.359 --> 00:20:57.160 community or something like that. Like they always want to 370 00:20:57.839 --> 00:21:00.920 paint it as one of those you know, sort of 371 00:21:00.960 --> 00:21:03.839 like a signpost sort of you know issue. 372 00:21:03.920 --> 00:21:06.759 That's just them saying, my sin is not like your 373 00:21:06.839 --> 00:21:09.880 sin is bigger than mine. That's all I ever hear 374 00:21:09.960 --> 00:21:11.799 when they say stuff like that. And I always take 375 00:21:11.839 --> 00:21:17.680 them to Proverbs six sixteen through nineteen, where it literally 376 00:21:17.720 --> 00:21:21.640 says that it lists the seven things that are an abomination. 377 00:21:23.640 --> 00:21:27.720 It includes lying, like, it includes committing adultriy. So like, 378 00:21:27.759 --> 00:21:29.920 I always take them to that and I ask like, 379 00:21:29.960 --> 00:21:34.799 why is your abomination less than this abomination? And so 380 00:21:35.319 --> 00:21:38.839 like they there is no sin that an atheist would 381 00:21:38.880 --> 00:21:41.599 need to not worship their God or believe in their 382 00:21:41.599 --> 00:21:44.599 God to commit that they can't commit, so it doesn't 383 00:21:44.640 --> 00:21:45.720 make any logical sense. Y. 384 00:21:46.079 --> 00:21:48.680 I typically will come back and I'll ask them, like, 385 00:21:50.519 --> 00:21:55.759 you know, basically, is there any sin that's too grave 386 00:21:56.000 --> 00:21:59.440 other than of course offending the Holy Spirit? Is there 387 00:21:59.440 --> 00:22:04.000 any sin that is too great for Jesus to forgive? 388 00:22:04.240 --> 00:22:08.039 And you know, obviously they're like, no, there's not there's 389 00:22:08.039 --> 00:22:11.160 not any kind of sin that's that's too great. You know, 390 00:22:11.240 --> 00:22:14.839 all sin can be forgiven. And so it always confuses 391 00:22:14.880 --> 00:22:17.119 me because it's like, Okay, well, if any sin can 392 00:22:17.160 --> 00:22:20.480 be forgiven besides the one that I've already definitely committed, 393 00:22:21.559 --> 00:22:24.319 then it seems like that's not the motivation, Like how 394 00:22:24.359 --> 00:22:26.200 can that be the motivating factor? 395 00:22:26.519 --> 00:22:26.720 Right? 396 00:22:26.920 --> 00:22:32.279 Yeah, it's just not. It doesn't make any sense, And 397 00:22:32.480 --> 00:22:35.400 I don't see a reason for. Like, what I don't 398 00:22:35.480 --> 00:22:41.200 understand is what is making them agree with the moral 399 00:22:41.480 --> 00:22:45.559 issues of the God in the Bible, Like what's making 400 00:22:45.599 --> 00:22:47.680 a person say God has a right to kill if 401 00:22:47.680 --> 00:22:51.680 he wants to, or God has a right to say 402 00:22:51.720 --> 00:22:54.960 he's impartial but actually be partially if he wants to right. 403 00:22:55.559 --> 00:22:58.000 And I think it's because a lot of believers don't 404 00:22:58.039 --> 00:23:02.480 really know what morality is. And I don't think that 405 00:23:02.519 --> 00:23:06.039 they actually it's almost like they have a ready made 406 00:23:06.119 --> 00:23:11.720 package of morality and they don't have to build their 407 00:23:11.759 --> 00:23:15.319 more framework themselves. Their pastors build the moral framework for 408 00:23:15.359 --> 00:23:18.079 them and tell them this is right, this is wrong, 409 00:23:18.200 --> 00:23:20.880 you do this, you do that, and they are. 410 00:23:20.880 --> 00:23:23.000 Comfortable with that. They don't want to do the hard work. 411 00:23:23.039 --> 00:23:25.960 I think no I really don't think that they do 412 00:23:26.000 --> 00:23:28.119 want to do the hard work. And I mean I 413 00:23:28.160 --> 00:23:30.880 think that it's just because it's easier just to you know, 414 00:23:32.599 --> 00:23:35.920 blame God essentially, like just say, oh, well God says this, 415 00:23:36.160 --> 00:23:38.559 therefore that's bad, you know, kind of thing like it. 416 00:23:39.240 --> 00:23:42.680 To me, it always comes across as just generally lazy, 417 00:23:42.880 --> 00:23:46.759 like lazy thinking, not necessarily that they can't do it. 418 00:23:46.880 --> 00:23:52.000 But some people, and I've been you know, I've succumbed 419 00:23:52.000 --> 00:23:55.079 to this too, is just you know, falling into lazy thinking, 420 00:23:55.400 --> 00:23:58.000 just allowing somebody else to do the thinking for me. 421 00:23:58.160 --> 00:24:01.720 And I think that that's really easy to fall into, 422 00:24:01.960 --> 00:24:03.720 just allowing somebody else to tell you what to do, 423 00:24:03.799 --> 00:24:06.079 what to think, what to say. But you know, as 424 00:24:06.720 --> 00:24:09.240 part of my deconstruction, I decided that I was not 425 00:24:09.279 --> 00:24:13.119 going to allow that. Like again, like I fell into 426 00:24:13.279 --> 00:24:16.480 lazy thinking. I just believed what I was told. I 427 00:24:16.519 --> 00:24:19.000 you know, believed everything that I was told to believe. 428 00:24:19.039 --> 00:24:21.400 And so when I came out of that, I was like, well, 429 00:24:21.480 --> 00:24:24.359 I'm not going to just fall into that anymore. I'm 430 00:24:24.400 --> 00:24:27.400 actually going to critically, you know, consider what I believe, 431 00:24:27.480 --> 00:24:30.000 why I believe it, have good reasons for believing in 432 00:24:30.039 --> 00:24:30.759 the things that I do. 433 00:24:31.559 --> 00:24:35.519 I think too, because they believe that they can go 434 00:24:35.680 --> 00:24:37.559 and get forgiveness. 435 00:24:37.960 --> 00:24:38.160 Right. 436 00:24:38.240 --> 00:24:42.599 And so if this thing is allowing you to do 437 00:24:42.720 --> 00:24:46.920 harmful or bad things and still be seen or claim 438 00:24:47.000 --> 00:24:52.200 to be good, right, and this same thing that is 439 00:24:52.240 --> 00:24:55.519 supposed to be good does things that are seemingly not good, 440 00:24:55.839 --> 00:24:58.359 but because of the authority of it, you can say, Nope, 441 00:24:58.400 --> 00:25:01.039 that's good because God did it. This is the same 442 00:25:02.160 --> 00:25:04.640 entity that you can go to when you do harmful 443 00:25:04.680 --> 00:25:08.240 things and ask the God to forgive you, right, and 444 00:25:07.839 --> 00:25:09.200 you get forgiveness. 445 00:25:09.519 --> 00:25:10.880 That why not defend it? 446 00:25:11.640 --> 00:25:11.839 Right? 447 00:25:12.160 --> 00:25:16.839 It's the thing that's making you look good despite the 448 00:25:16.880 --> 00:25:18.960 harm that you do, despite the bad that you do. 449 00:25:19.440 --> 00:25:22.680 And so I think a lot of them defend that 450 00:25:23.119 --> 00:25:25.400 because that's the benefit that they get from it. 451 00:25:25.920 --> 00:25:26.079 Right. 452 00:25:26.160 --> 00:25:30.519 There's a prompt that I run on my show that says, 453 00:25:30.960 --> 00:25:36.079 Jesus's unlimited sin, unlimited forgiveness, abundant grace contract is bad 454 00:25:36.079 --> 00:25:38.680 for humanity. And they always come up and they go, 455 00:25:38.839 --> 00:25:42.920 it's not unlimited sin. And I say, I say, oh, 456 00:25:43.039 --> 00:25:44.319 is it unlimited forgiveness? 457 00:25:44.359 --> 00:25:45.160 And they'll go yep. 458 00:25:48.200 --> 00:25:50.839 I'm like, Oh, if it's unlimited forgiveness, then there's an 459 00:25:50.880 --> 00:25:52.279 opportunity for unlimited sin. 460 00:25:52.720 --> 00:25:55.200 Yeah, I don't understand if there's not unlimited If there 461 00:25:55.240 --> 00:25:59.400 is unlimited forgiveness, then there how can there be not 462 00:25:59.559 --> 00:26:02.799 be limited sin? Like, it doesn't make it an kind 463 00:26:02.799 --> 00:26:06.559 of sense because if there's a limited forgiveness, then automatically 464 00:26:06.599 --> 00:26:09.359 you've got it doesn't matter how many sins you commit, 465 00:26:09.480 --> 00:26:10.960 you know exactly. 466 00:26:11.640 --> 00:26:13.720 And so they typically get mad at me and start 467 00:26:13.759 --> 00:26:15.680 cussing me out because they've never thought about the fact 468 00:26:15.720 --> 00:26:18.839 that they've signed up for this agreement that says, hey, 469 00:26:19.079 --> 00:26:21.759 here's a blank check no matter what sin you commit, 470 00:26:21.839 --> 00:26:25.119 how many unless you talk about me. This is the 471 00:26:25.160 --> 00:26:26.920 thing that makes me say that the God of the 472 00:26:26.920 --> 00:26:31.880 Bible is just immoral, because Jesus says, hey, no matter 473 00:26:31.960 --> 00:26:34.279 what you do to a human I'm going to forgive you, 474 00:26:34.400 --> 00:26:37.240 but you better not talk about my ghost like that. 475 00:26:37.319 --> 00:26:39.039 I ain't gonna forgive you. Right. 476 00:26:39.160 --> 00:26:42.200 So he's like, here's a blank check for whatever you 477 00:26:42.319 --> 00:26:46.119 do to any human being, whatever you do to yourself, 478 00:26:46.839 --> 00:26:50.759 and I'm going to forgive you. And they have not 479 00:26:50.920 --> 00:26:53.119 realized that that's the contract that they're in. 480 00:26:53.279 --> 00:26:55.400 Most of them don't know that they're in a contract, right, 481 00:26:55.680 --> 00:26:56.359 They think. 482 00:26:56.240 --> 00:26:58.640 Covenant is like a spiritual word or something, but like 483 00:26:58.720 --> 00:27:00.839 most of them don't know that they're in an agreement 484 00:27:00.920 --> 00:27:05.200 that says I will I will forgive you for whatever 485 00:27:05.359 --> 00:27:05.920 whatever sin. 486 00:27:05.960 --> 00:27:08.480 You can come to me repent. 487 00:27:08.920 --> 00:27:11.400 And they say, well, you're supposed to turn from your ways. 488 00:27:12.480 --> 00:27:14.960 You're supposed to, But is there a requirement that says 489 00:27:15.000 --> 00:27:17.319 that if you don't, you can't get forgiveness. 490 00:27:16.880 --> 00:27:21.720 Again, No, I mean there's really not. I mean, well, 491 00:27:21.799 --> 00:27:24.640 I do know that that some people have come back 492 00:27:24.680 --> 00:27:28.480 at me and been like, well, repentance requires real repent, 493 00:27:28.599 --> 00:27:30.599 like God knows in your heart, so like if you 494 00:27:31.200 --> 00:27:33.920 keep committing the same sin, then He's going to stop 495 00:27:33.960 --> 00:27:36.920 forgiving you. But I mean again that that just ends 496 00:27:36.960 --> 00:27:41.359 up being very confusing with the supposed like mercifulness of 497 00:27:41.440 --> 00:27:44.359 God and Jesus and everything. And I find that you 498 00:27:44.400 --> 00:27:46.759 get into a lot of different ways that you can pretzel, 499 00:27:47.440 --> 00:27:50.839 you know, in those particular concepts. I do want to 500 00:27:50.880 --> 00:27:54.240 remind people out there that if you're watching on YouTube, 501 00:27:54.640 --> 00:27:56.680 either on the vertical stream or the horizontal stream, you 502 00:27:56.680 --> 00:28:00.000 can call in by dialing five one two nine one one, 503 00:28:00.039 --> 00:28:03.359 I'm too for two or hitting up that link over there. 504 00:28:03.440 --> 00:28:05.839 I think it's a c A dot show forward slash 505 00:28:06.000 --> 00:28:09.920 call AXP or call it's just call sorry, just call. 506 00:28:10.359 --> 00:28:10.480 Uh. 507 00:28:10.640 --> 00:28:12.440 You can hit up those links and you'll be able 508 00:28:12.480 --> 00:28:14.519 to call and talk to us if you disagree with 509 00:28:14.559 --> 00:28:17.880 anything that we're talking about here today, like God being 510 00:28:17.920 --> 00:28:21.200 a moral monster. Now thinker, I'm kind of curious, what 511 00:28:21.240 --> 00:28:23.880 do you think is like one of the biggest things 512 00:28:23.920 --> 00:28:26.440 in God's came in and slash Jesus. I've been I've 513 00:28:26.480 --> 00:28:29.559 been trying to affix Jesus to these rather shitty things here, 514 00:28:29.640 --> 00:28:35.480 like yeah, yeah, same here. But Christians tend to take 515 00:28:35.640 --> 00:28:41.359 high offense to labeling. Are saddling Jesus with the atrocities 516 00:28:41.400 --> 00:28:43.519 of God in the Old Testament, And I'm just kind 517 00:28:43.519 --> 00:28:47.319 of curious, what's the what's the the moral monstery kind 518 00:28:47.400 --> 00:28:51.359 of thing that that Jesus slash God is commanded or done? 519 00:28:51.720 --> 00:28:56.440 Well? One he called a canaanie woman a dog, right. 520 00:28:57.359 --> 00:28:59.359 That's the one I like to bring up the most 521 00:28:59.480 --> 00:29:02.799 because because you could easily frame it to where they 522 00:29:02.920 --> 00:29:06.559 immediately take offense. It's like, oh, yeah, Jesus is so great. 523 00:29:06.799 --> 00:29:08.440 Why did he call a woman a bitch and make 524 00:29:08.480 --> 00:29:11.599 her beg right? It's like, oh, Jesus didn't do that. 525 00:29:11.839 --> 00:29:13.400 It's like, oh, do you want to read the scripture? 526 00:29:13.559 --> 00:29:16.680 Say she was a puppy. It was a puppy. It's 527 00:29:16.720 --> 00:29:19.319 like he called her his pet. 528 00:29:20.200 --> 00:29:25.079 But also the stealing of the donkey, right, they a 529 00:29:25.119 --> 00:29:28.279 lot of believers will say, well, everything belongs to God. 530 00:29:29.279 --> 00:29:30.119 He stole a. 531 00:29:30.039 --> 00:29:35.119 Donkey, and he taught his He taught his disciples how 532 00:29:35.160 --> 00:29:40.079 to appeal to authority to steal somebody else's shit, right, 533 00:29:40.480 --> 00:29:43.640 because he's like, hey, say these words, like if somebody 534 00:29:43.640 --> 00:29:46.359 asks you what you're doing, just say these words, like 535 00:29:46.680 --> 00:29:49.920 the lord needs it. Like he's appealing to the word lord. 536 00:29:50.000 --> 00:29:51.839 Like anybody could have been a lord at that time. 537 00:29:51.880 --> 00:29:54.720 You have the landlords, you had the Roman centurions, you 538 00:29:54.759 --> 00:29:55.039 had the. 539 00:29:56.720 --> 00:30:00.000 Roman Empress. Like he just says, say these words. 540 00:29:59.759 --> 00:30:03.599 He was being slick and manipulative, put it to authorities 541 00:30:03.680 --> 00:30:04.960 to take somebody else's shit. 542 00:30:05.480 --> 00:30:07.240 Yeah, and he taught them how to do that. 543 00:30:08.079 --> 00:30:08.319 Yeah. 544 00:30:08.680 --> 00:30:10.960 I mean, and and you know that's going to be 545 00:30:11.039 --> 00:30:13.640 labeled as something that's good. You got to agree that 546 00:30:13.839 --> 00:30:18.960 that stealing teachings, especially teaching somebody to steal another person shit, Yeah, 547 00:30:19.000 --> 00:30:19.480 that's good. 548 00:30:19.799 --> 00:30:20.000 Yeah. 549 00:30:20.519 --> 00:30:23.440 And I always like to juxtapose that against like it's like, well, 550 00:30:23.599 --> 00:30:27.480 I using secular humanism or you know, just humanism in general. 551 00:30:27.920 --> 00:30:31.319 I can explain to you why that's bad or detrimental, 552 00:30:31.799 --> 00:30:34.400 you know, but can you do the same, Like and 553 00:30:34.559 --> 00:30:38.680 I find that Christians, they they try to justify it, 554 00:30:38.839 --> 00:30:40.799 but then you there's all It's kind of like there's 555 00:30:40.839 --> 00:30:43.599 always a Bible verse. There's always a Bible verse that 556 00:30:43.640 --> 00:30:46.640 you can break out, like with the donkey or with 557 00:30:46.799 --> 00:30:49.160 any other atrocity in the Old Testament. You can always 558 00:30:49.200 --> 00:30:51.160 break it out, and you can always be like, well, 559 00:30:51.519 --> 00:30:54.440 he did it here, so you know, why not why 560 00:30:54.519 --> 00:30:55.880 not there? Or why not now? 561 00:30:56.359 --> 00:31:00.200 Yeah, like a lot of them don't know. Oh, we 562 00:31:00.279 --> 00:31:01.039 haven't had the question. 563 00:31:01.359 --> 00:31:05.279 Yeah, we got a question from the audience. So let's 564 00:31:05.359 --> 00:31:06.960 cube up over there at the audience. What's up? 565 00:31:07.079 --> 00:31:10.200 Yeah, Hey, how's it going. You know, a lot of 566 00:31:10.400 --> 00:31:14.640 what we talk about with with god moral monster and 567 00:31:14.759 --> 00:31:17.279 like a more personal level can lead towards like, maybe 568 00:31:17.319 --> 00:31:19.200 that's not a God. I want to believe in an atheism, 569 00:31:19.640 --> 00:31:22.119 And then you start seeing it in terms of turning 570 00:31:22.160 --> 00:31:24.279 into like more of an anti theist when you see 571 00:31:24.359 --> 00:31:28.400 how that moral monster gets into systems institutions and such. 572 00:31:28.920 --> 00:31:31.240 And I was having some conversations with someone at the 573 00:31:31.279 --> 00:31:36.240 bat Crees yesterday about being anti theist or kind of 574 00:31:36.440 --> 00:31:39.480 the problems of bringing God into all these institutions and systems. 575 00:31:40.039 --> 00:31:42.640 And I could agree with all the problems, all the 576 00:31:42.720 --> 00:31:46.039 moral failings, but I come from a very large family. 577 00:31:46.240 --> 00:31:48.960 I have very good relations in my family. Most of 578 00:31:49.039 --> 00:31:52.319 them are really good except this thing, and they really 579 00:31:52.359 --> 00:31:55.359 are promoting this and pushing it, and I had this 580 00:31:55.480 --> 00:31:58.279 internal wall that comes up, and I'm like, I want 581 00:31:58.319 --> 00:31:59.160 to be anti theist. 582 00:31:59.200 --> 00:32:00.440 I want to have a problem with so I wanted 583 00:32:00.480 --> 00:32:01.799 not support it. Oh crap. 584 00:32:01.880 --> 00:32:04.319 That means I now have a big conflict with my 585 00:32:04.400 --> 00:32:05.720 family and I don't know what to do with that, 586 00:32:05.799 --> 00:32:07.799 and I kind of like get halted by it. So 587 00:32:07.960 --> 00:32:09.960 it's like, I don't know, I'm just kind of like 588 00:32:10.039 --> 00:32:12.480 relating to that. I can agree with everything here, but 589 00:32:12.519 --> 00:32:14.240 I'm like, ah, crap, Like what do I do with 590 00:32:14.319 --> 00:32:16.400 that when I don't necessarily want to cut off my 591 00:32:16.519 --> 00:32:18.559 family because of it. I just wanted to see if 592 00:32:18.559 --> 00:32:20.039 you gotta had any thoughts on that. 593 00:32:21.599 --> 00:32:25.000 Well, I guess how how egregious is it? Because like 594 00:32:25.119 --> 00:32:28.200 it Kim like there's a there's a difference in like 595 00:32:28.519 --> 00:32:33.000 just maybe a more minor moral issue that could come up, 596 00:32:33.279 --> 00:32:36.759 or there's like, hey, trans people should die. Like there's 597 00:32:36.880 --> 00:32:40.480 like a varying degrees there. I guess, So is which 598 00:32:40.599 --> 00:32:44.000 end of the spectrum is that on? More on the 599 00:32:44.079 --> 00:32:47.279 other end? Oh okay, all right, yeah, well I mean 600 00:32:47.640 --> 00:32:51.039 for me at least? Uh, Well, I actually think or 601 00:32:51.119 --> 00:32:52.240 what do you what do you think? 602 00:32:52.599 --> 00:32:53.200 First? Sorry? 603 00:32:53.559 --> 00:32:57.440 Far go ahead as far as what to do, well. 604 00:32:57.359 --> 00:33:00.200 Yeah, I guess what? Uh and correct me if I'm wrong. 605 00:33:00.279 --> 00:33:02.680 But I think it's like, how do you breach a 606 00:33:03.000 --> 00:33:07.799 conversation or approach family members that are holding those very 607 00:33:07.920 --> 00:33:13.799 detrimental moral positions without you know, completely cutting off that family, Like, 608 00:33:13.880 --> 00:33:16.920 how can you find some kind of way to I guess, 609 00:33:18.119 --> 00:33:21.680 you know, I guess draw a peaceful line in the sand, 610 00:33:21.920 --> 00:33:24.279 or approach them in a way that you can hope 611 00:33:24.319 --> 00:33:25.079 to affect change. 612 00:33:26.799 --> 00:33:32.119 So I caution giving advice in that way because everybody's 613 00:33:32.160 --> 00:33:32.920 family is different. 614 00:33:33.480 --> 00:33:33.920 And then. 615 00:33:36.119 --> 00:33:38.920 How you set boundaries in the way you are willing 616 00:33:39.079 --> 00:33:43.240 to enforce those boundaries is different. Because I have had 617 00:33:43.279 --> 00:33:47.279 to cut family off, and we've blocked each other for months, 618 00:33:48.119 --> 00:33:54.960 two years even, and everybody isn't willing to do that, right, 619 00:33:55.480 --> 00:33:59.799 And so it really depends on you, and if you're 620 00:33:59.839 --> 00:34:02.799 a but to set boundaries with your family and explain 621 00:34:02.880 --> 00:34:06.920 to them that you don't agree with a specific belief 622 00:34:07.000 --> 00:34:09.239 that they hold and how they treat a specific group 623 00:34:09.280 --> 00:34:11.199 of people, and if they want to be around you, 624 00:34:11.760 --> 00:34:14.280 then they cannot be saying the things that they say. 625 00:34:14.639 --> 00:34:19.159 They cannot be mistreating people. And if they don't stop 626 00:34:19.280 --> 00:34:21.480 doing it, then you have to be the one to 627 00:34:21.639 --> 00:34:24.920 enforce that boundary and actually remove yourself because you can 628 00:34:25.039 --> 00:34:28.119 state it. And the more you allow them to say 629 00:34:28.159 --> 00:34:31.719 it to be around you and doing it, then they're 630 00:34:31.840 --> 00:34:34.400 not gonna stop it. They're not gonna take that, take 631 00:34:34.480 --> 00:34:35.079 it serious. 632 00:34:35.920 --> 00:34:36.360 And I'm not. 633 00:34:36.480 --> 00:34:40.679 Anti theists, like I don't really give a fuck of 634 00:34:40.719 --> 00:34:41.800 a person believes in a god or not. 635 00:34:42.440 --> 00:34:46.360 I care more what they believe the God is saying 636 00:34:46.920 --> 00:34:47.559 to them, and. 637 00:34:49.800 --> 00:34:52.880 You know, the morality, right, like the belief sysm that 638 00:34:52.920 --> 00:34:55.920 they hold and how they treat humans and how it 639 00:34:55.960 --> 00:34:58.880 affects our objective reality. I think a person, if a 640 00:34:58.920 --> 00:35:00.840 person doesn't believe in a god, that to yourself and 641 00:35:00.880 --> 00:35:02.760 stop trying to force me to. 642 00:35:03.320 --> 00:35:04.639 Accept it as my truth. 643 00:35:06.679 --> 00:35:08.559 I mean it would be good if everybody started believing 644 00:35:08.559 --> 00:35:12.679 in things that are true and you know, focus on that. 645 00:35:13.199 --> 00:35:17.360 But I'm not necessarily anti theist. I don't think I've 646 00:35:17.400 --> 00:35:18.039 gotten there yet. 647 00:35:18.280 --> 00:35:21.239 Yeah, well, I mean I would consider myself to be 648 00:35:21.320 --> 00:35:24.719 an anti theist, but that also doesn't preclude me from 649 00:35:24.840 --> 00:35:29.280 like working with religious people or being nice to religious people. 650 00:35:29.639 --> 00:35:32.079 I think that it really depends on what the issue 651 00:35:32.280 --> 00:35:34.880 is and where your personal line is. I definitely think 652 00:35:34.920 --> 00:35:37.920 that you should, you know, have a boundary and make 653 00:35:38.000 --> 00:35:41.239 that boundary clearly known about, you know, certain issues. If 654 00:35:41.280 --> 00:35:44.960 it's something that is very personal to you or very 655 00:35:45.000 --> 00:35:48.679 important to you, you know, make that decision for yourself 656 00:35:48.719 --> 00:35:51.039 if you want to really broach that. But I would 657 00:35:51.119 --> 00:35:54.800 also ask, like some if they are holding those particular 658 00:35:55.000 --> 00:35:58.199 positions that are so detrimental or you find that they 659 00:35:58.320 --> 00:36:02.719 are very detrimental, do you. I guess, in my opinion, 660 00:36:02.800 --> 00:36:06.000 I personally don't want to interact with those individuals, even 661 00:36:06.039 --> 00:36:07.840 if they are part of my family. But I know 662 00:36:07.920 --> 00:36:10.960 that that's you know, very personal to me. It's you know, 663 00:36:11.039 --> 00:36:12.800 I'm not going to tell you not to interact with 664 00:36:12.880 --> 00:36:16.760 them or whatnot. You could be on the inside track 665 00:36:16.880 --> 00:36:18.800 of those things. And be able to change their mind 666 00:36:18.840 --> 00:36:23.719 about stuff. There have been certain issues that I've encountered 667 00:36:23.760 --> 00:36:25.679 in my life where I've been able to change people's 668 00:36:25.719 --> 00:36:29.519 minds about stuff, and that's through a careful conversation. I 669 00:36:29.519 --> 00:36:32.960 would definitely suggest watching some street epistemology or learning from 670 00:36:33.039 --> 00:36:38.199 some street epistemological methods there for you know, broaching those 671 00:36:38.280 --> 00:36:42.079 kinds of conversations, because they have this uncanny ability to 672 00:36:42.519 --> 00:36:47.920 have those difficult conversations without really you know, causing those 673 00:36:48.000 --> 00:36:50.880 kinds of riffs. So it is possible if you want 674 00:36:50.960 --> 00:36:54.360 to try to change them, but it's also okay if 675 00:36:54.440 --> 00:36:57.559 you want to cut them out. But again, like Thinker said, 676 00:36:57.679 --> 00:37:00.519 I mean, that's you know something You've got to make yourself, 677 00:37:00.639 --> 00:37:02.159 a decision that you got to make for yourself. You 678 00:37:02.199 --> 00:37:04.760 got to decide what your boundaries are. But once you 679 00:37:05.199 --> 00:37:08.199 figure out what those boundaries are, I would highly suggest 680 00:37:08.280 --> 00:37:11.480 you sticking to your boundaries and having enough self respect 681 00:37:11.519 --> 00:37:13.639 for yourself to stick to those boundaries. 682 00:37:14.519 --> 00:37:18.519 Yeah, I think guys, we still have folk lines open. 683 00:37:18.559 --> 00:37:25.239 This is kind of interesting that, Like when I talk 684 00:37:25.320 --> 00:37:28.440 about how when my daughter came out to me and 685 00:37:28.559 --> 00:37:30.760 my family wanted to talk to her, and I had 686 00:37:30.840 --> 00:37:33.480 to say no, like, she's my daughter. I want to 687 00:37:33.480 --> 00:37:36.639 make sure that you know, there's nothing put into her 688 00:37:36.800 --> 00:37:39.400 mind that's going to make her hate herself. 689 00:37:40.079 --> 00:37:41.599 And I had to set that boundary. 690 00:37:41.679 --> 00:37:46.599 But like there's my family is accepting now where they 691 00:37:46.840 --> 00:37:51.239 used to be very you know, believing that homosexuality was 692 00:37:51.280 --> 00:37:55.360 a sin and you know, condemning it every chance they got. 693 00:37:55.480 --> 00:37:59.039 But we have several people in our family who are 694 00:37:59.360 --> 00:38:00.199 the LGBT. 695 00:38:00.320 --> 00:38:04.880 Community and the treatment that they would have gotten years ago, 696 00:38:05.280 --> 00:38:08.679 the family is except accepting of them. 697 00:38:08.719 --> 00:38:09.920 And they're not trying to like. 698 00:38:10.519 --> 00:38:12.440 Call them every day and say, you know, you're going 699 00:38:12.519 --> 00:38:15.239 to hell if you don't. You know, it's hey, how 700 00:38:15.400 --> 00:38:19.280 is your day? And you know, we love their their spouses, 701 00:38:19.519 --> 00:38:25.000 they've had children, and it's like John said, being the 702 00:38:25.599 --> 00:38:30.800 change that they get to see, if that makes sense, 703 00:38:30.840 --> 00:38:33.199 Like your difference is gonna it's gonna be what makes 704 00:38:33.239 --> 00:38:33.760 a difference. 705 00:38:35.280 --> 00:38:37.559 So yeah, allowing yourself to be different so that they 706 00:38:37.599 --> 00:38:38.679 can see it. 707 00:38:39.440 --> 00:38:43.360 Yeah, just to a reminder for everybody, we do have 708 00:38:43.519 --> 00:38:45.920 open lines. Like like like Thinker said, the number is 709 00:38:45.960 --> 00:38:48.880 five one two nine nine to one nine two four two, 710 00:38:49.119 --> 00:38:51.400 or you can hit up the ACA Dot Show for 711 00:38:51.480 --> 00:38:53.320 a slash call if you want to call in and 712 00:38:53.440 --> 00:38:55.960 interact with us on whether or not you think God 713 00:38:56.079 --> 00:38:57.880 is a moral monster. If you're over there on TikTok, 714 00:38:57.920 --> 00:39:00.199 you can request up easily if you would like to 715 00:39:00.320 --> 00:39:02.719 talk with us about why your God is not a 716 00:39:02.880 --> 00:39:05.519 moral monster or why you think that maybe you have 717 00:39:05.599 --> 00:39:09.119 a definition of God that you know, escapes those criticisms 718 00:39:09.159 --> 00:39:11.280 that we've been talking about today. But it looks like 719 00:39:11.320 --> 00:39:15.039 we do have another audience question out there. What's up 720 00:39:15.119 --> 00:39:15.920 out their audience? 721 00:39:16.679 --> 00:39:19.360 Hi, how's it going. I think you guys really hit 722 00:39:19.400 --> 00:39:21.599 the nail on the head earlier when you were talking about, 723 00:39:21.880 --> 00:39:24.440 you know, what happens when God commands you know, these 724 00:39:24.480 --> 00:39:26.599 ancient people to go into Ad and kill all the 725 00:39:26.639 --> 00:39:29.079 people there. And how do Christians today look at that, 726 00:39:29.239 --> 00:39:31.800 Like what type of you know, mental gymnastics do they 727 00:39:31.840 --> 00:39:34.719 have to do to say, Okay, that was cool because 728 00:39:34.800 --> 00:39:37.239 God said so. And they kind of say and you, 729 00:39:37.440 --> 00:39:39.639 like you said, they come up with this idea like, well, 730 00:39:39.679 --> 00:39:41.960 God created us, so he has the right to take 731 00:39:42.039 --> 00:39:45.840 us out of this world. And I feel like there's 732 00:39:45.920 --> 00:39:48.320 so many things in the Bible, like as in you know, 733 00:39:48.920 --> 00:39:51.880 we're born, we can do about it and where requires 734 00:39:51.960 --> 00:39:54.639 how vintion and like that's like, no matter what we're 735 00:39:54.679 --> 00:39:57.199 going to send, we can't not sin. And that's like 736 00:39:57.239 --> 00:39:59.559 a biblical principle. I'm like, well, that's like kind of unfare. 737 00:39:59.639 --> 00:40:01.960 We don't have a chance. And then if you ask 738 00:40:02.039 --> 00:40:04.079 them to think about it, they don't really have a 739 00:40:04.119 --> 00:40:06.880 good answer. And I was always told as a Christian, 740 00:40:07.000 --> 00:40:10.079 like Isaiah fifty five eight and nine, like God's ways 741 00:40:10.079 --> 00:40:12.760 are higher than our ways. We can't understand that, And 742 00:40:12.880 --> 00:40:15.480 that's the principle they really anchor in on. And I'm 743 00:40:15.519 --> 00:40:17.920 just asking. I'm like, I hope at the end of 744 00:40:17.920 --> 00:40:21.480 the day, Christians have to like admit nothing about what 745 00:40:21.719 --> 00:40:25.199 they say makes sense to them. They have to always say, well, 746 00:40:25.360 --> 00:40:29.400 God said it. I can't reasonably understand why, but God does, 747 00:40:29.480 --> 00:40:31.280 so that I'm going to shut my brain off and 748 00:40:31.360 --> 00:40:33.880 then accept that. And I'm just like, you just have 749 00:40:33.960 --> 00:40:36.880 to check your brain to be at that point. You know, 750 00:40:37.280 --> 00:40:38.760 I don't know if you guys what you thought of that. 751 00:40:38.960 --> 00:40:43.079 So yeah, definitely, there's another prompt that I'm running on 752 00:40:43.199 --> 00:40:44.199 my channel. 753 00:40:44.280 --> 00:40:45.960 What do believers have against thinking? 754 00:40:46.719 --> 00:40:49.519 And that's it right there, right Like they're afraid that 755 00:40:49.559 --> 00:40:53.199 they're going to thank themselves out of faith by like 756 00:40:53.400 --> 00:40:58.039 logically thinking about these more dilemmas. Today, I had a 757 00:40:58.119 --> 00:41:05.440 conversation with a believer, loudmouthflow girl, but she like literally 758 00:41:05.559 --> 00:41:07.920 we were talking about whether or not the God of 759 00:41:07.960 --> 00:41:12.760 the Bible is deceptive and like he literally says in 760 00:41:13.039 --> 00:41:16.760 Ezekiel fourteen nine, if a prophet is deceived, and like, 761 00:41:17.239 --> 00:41:18.800 you can just imagine him holding in his hand of 762 00:41:18.920 --> 00:41:21.719 I the Lord have deceived that prophet, like he's making 763 00:41:21.760 --> 00:41:22.400 a declaration. 764 00:41:22.639 --> 00:41:25.480 It was me, if this prophet speaks a deceiving word, 765 00:41:25.639 --> 00:41:26.119 I did it. 766 00:41:26.800 --> 00:41:31.559 And she fought tooth and nail to not accept that 767 00:41:32.400 --> 00:41:36.159 it was you know, her God, admitting that he was 768 00:41:36.719 --> 00:41:39.199 and can be deceptive, that he can give a false 769 00:41:39.280 --> 00:41:40.639 prophecy intentionally. 770 00:41:41.079 --> 00:41:42.840 She wanted to focus on the. 771 00:41:42.920 --> 00:41:46.599 Why, and mind you, before we before she started focus 772 00:41:46.679 --> 00:41:49.079 on the why, I warned her. I said, hey, I 773 00:41:49.199 --> 00:41:52.880 have these conversations for three years now. Believers typically try 774 00:41:52.920 --> 00:41:55.599 to focus on the why and not the what. And 775 00:41:55.920 --> 00:42:00.719 I said, remember what we're investigating right now is the what, 776 00:42:01.239 --> 00:42:03.559 and the what is can God lie? 777 00:42:04.280 --> 00:42:05.960 And she said, I know, I'm not like all those 778 00:42:06.039 --> 00:42:07.280 other Christians. They're ignorant. 779 00:42:07.400 --> 00:42:11.639 I'm not and then when she gets to the logical 780 00:42:11.760 --> 00:42:15.840 and tellment that the God can lie and does, she 781 00:42:16.119 --> 00:42:18.840 crashes out and she just focuses on it's judgment. 782 00:42:19.320 --> 00:42:22.599 She went as far as even changing the meaning of 783 00:42:22.639 --> 00:42:23.320 the word answer. 784 00:42:23.400 --> 00:42:26.440 When he says I will answer them myself, the answer 785 00:42:26.519 --> 00:42:29.880 no longer meant speak and meant judge, Like she changed 786 00:42:29.920 --> 00:42:33.599 the definition of what the word means. And it's because 787 00:42:33.639 --> 00:42:36.679 they are afraid that they're going to thank themselves out 788 00:42:36.719 --> 00:42:37.119 of a God. 789 00:42:38.519 --> 00:42:38.760 Yeah. 790 00:42:39.000 --> 00:42:41.519 And I think the thing that you're really honing in 791 00:42:41.639 --> 00:42:46.000 on there is cognitive dissonance and how cognitive dissonance is 792 00:42:46.159 --> 00:42:50.360 resolved in a person, because I feel like when people 793 00:42:50.519 --> 00:42:54.760 encounter those things that are, you know, counter to what 794 00:42:54.920 --> 00:42:57.519 they understand and know, like God is good, you know 795 00:42:57.679 --> 00:43:00.360 that simple statement. If they encounter some thing in the 796 00:43:00.440 --> 00:43:03.119 Old Testament that seems to be counter to that, like 797 00:43:03.599 --> 00:43:07.360 Exodus twenty one seven, where the father can sell his 798 00:43:07.559 --> 00:43:10.960 daughter into sexual slavery to another man or the man's 799 00:43:11.400 --> 00:43:15.360 son or whatever, you know, that's obviously going to cause 800 00:43:15.440 --> 00:43:18.639 some kind of issue with a believer who thinks that 801 00:43:18.719 --> 00:43:20.159 God is good all the time, and all the time, 802 00:43:20.239 --> 00:43:25.800 God is good, and they're typically what I've noticed is 803 00:43:25.840 --> 00:43:29.639 that they will go to just tossing out the information 804 00:43:29.760 --> 00:43:32.440 that's contradictory to what they know that God is good, 805 00:43:33.000 --> 00:43:36.800 and they rely on what they've been indoctrinated into, and 806 00:43:36.920 --> 00:43:40.800 that's essentially, well, you know, it's God, So you can't 807 00:43:40.840 --> 00:43:44.679 criticize God like I'm just a lowly human and what's 808 00:43:44.760 --> 00:43:46.960 my criticism. I don't have anything to stand. Kind of 809 00:43:47.000 --> 00:43:49.760 goes back to the whole moral argument about well, you 810 00:43:49.800 --> 00:43:53.519 don't really have a standard just to ground your moral 811 00:43:53.679 --> 00:43:57.039 judgments on right, like you don't. You can't really say that, 812 00:43:57.199 --> 00:44:01.239 so like you can't say that sexual sexual trafficking little 813 00:44:01.320 --> 00:44:04.280 girls in number thirty one eighteen is a bad thing. 814 00:44:04.480 --> 00:44:09.079 You can't say that. But obviously we can ground that 815 00:44:09.480 --> 00:44:13.400 in various ways as atheists. But what I think is 816 00:44:13.559 --> 00:44:17.480 a stark contrast is that they actually can't ground that 817 00:44:17.599 --> 00:44:21.400 as being bad like you can't. They can't coherently argue 818 00:44:21.840 --> 00:44:24.719 that that's a bad thing to do as long as 819 00:44:24.880 --> 00:44:27.519 with a caveat, you know, as long as God says 820 00:44:27.719 --> 00:44:28.639 to do it, then. 821 00:44:28.719 --> 00:44:30.960 It's And that's what I was saying in the opening. 822 00:44:31.199 --> 00:44:37.199 If we can't ground in our morals and say that 823 00:44:37.440 --> 00:44:40.239 it's bad for the God to tell them to sex 824 00:44:40.320 --> 00:44:46.480 traffic children. Then likewise they can't ground it in goodness? 825 00:44:46.880 --> 00:44:53.280 Right if because we are humans and our cognitive abilities 826 00:44:53.280 --> 00:45:00.119 are limited, right in, our understanding is limited because not 827 00:45:00.239 --> 00:45:03.400 a god. Neither can we then say that we understand 828 00:45:03.440 --> 00:45:04.880 him enough to say that he's good? 829 00:45:06.039 --> 00:45:06.199 Right? 830 00:45:06.840 --> 00:45:09.760 It doesn't make sense. By what grounds are they able 831 00:45:09.800 --> 00:45:12.000 to say that the that the God is good? 832 00:45:12.639 --> 00:45:15.559 Oh well, I mean God told us himself that he's like, 833 00:45:15.719 --> 00:45:17.880 I am good. Don't worry about it. I am good, 834 00:45:17.960 --> 00:45:18.519 I promise you. 835 00:45:18.719 --> 00:45:20.920 Yeah, And that's what I would love for them to. 836 00:45:21.760 --> 00:45:23.679 I don't know, I think they tend to get scared 837 00:45:23.760 --> 00:45:29.719 of my ass when I whenever I feel like I 838 00:45:29.800 --> 00:45:34.880 feel like there's some religious guy that usually talks loud 839 00:45:35.119 --> 00:45:38.320 in my comments, sitting there watching and going I'm gonna, 840 00:45:38.360 --> 00:45:39.880 I'm gonna, I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go. 841 00:45:40.679 --> 00:45:45.199 Yeah. Well, I mean, I mean, I can't I can't 842 00:45:45.239 --> 00:45:48.840 understand how you be intimidating. No, no, no, I mean 843 00:45:48.920 --> 00:45:52.199 I've seen your lives, and I mean I think that, uh, 844 00:45:52.599 --> 00:45:54.960 you know, if somebody comes up with a whole bunch 845 00:45:54.960 --> 00:45:57.119 of bullshit and they're trying to spend that bullshit in 846 00:45:57.199 --> 00:45:58.960 your direction. I mean, you're sure to put him in 847 00:45:59.039 --> 00:46:00.840 their place, so, I mean, and I'm sure that they're 848 00:46:00.920 --> 00:46:03.800 like I would do it, but I don't feel like 849 00:46:04.320 --> 00:46:06.079 having my ass handed to me today. 850 00:46:08.000 --> 00:46:11.360 No, But seriously, that's the biggest question that I have, Like, 851 00:46:11.440 --> 00:46:15.039 I have a lot of questions surrounding the belief system, 852 00:46:15.639 --> 00:46:19.079 and when it comes to morality, I understand why they're 853 00:46:19.679 --> 00:46:26.039 demoralizing themselves and defending the God because they believe that 854 00:46:26.159 --> 00:46:31.440 they are, you know, just puny humans with no say 855 00:46:31.840 --> 00:46:34.920 on the decisions that the God makes. I don't understand 856 00:46:34.920 --> 00:46:38.400 why they ignore the human being giving the command while 857 00:46:38.440 --> 00:46:39.960 they say divine command theory. 858 00:46:40.280 --> 00:46:41.119 I don't understand that. 859 00:46:41.519 --> 00:46:44.800 And then I don't understand how they feel that they 860 00:46:44.920 --> 00:46:49.800 can then say that that it's good what the God 861 00:46:49.960 --> 00:46:54.360 does if they feel like because they're humans, they can't 862 00:46:54.599 --> 00:46:55.639 say that's bad. 863 00:46:55.960 --> 00:46:58.920 Like why does it only work one way? But I 864 00:46:58.920 --> 00:47:01.800 don't think I'll ever get that, No, I mean. 865 00:47:01.800 --> 00:47:04.039 I feel like a lot of things will never be 866 00:47:04.199 --> 00:47:08.360 answerable other than just the you know, the the claims 867 00:47:08.400 --> 00:47:12.000 of the tautologies that they throw, you know, in that direction, 868 00:47:12.239 --> 00:47:15.880 hoping to you know, be sufficient answers, just like you know, 869 00:47:16.079 --> 00:47:18.960 just the claim that God is good, and then that's 870 00:47:19.079 --> 00:47:21.599 it seems like that's where they start from. Instead of 871 00:47:21.760 --> 00:47:26.280 like actually critically analyzing whatever kind of moral u situation 872 00:47:26.840 --> 00:47:29.079 coming to any kind of moral decision, they don't. They 873 00:47:29.119 --> 00:47:33.679 don't actually analyze the moral conundrum that's at their at 874 00:47:33.719 --> 00:47:36.000 their hand, at their fingertips. That what they do is 875 00:47:36.039 --> 00:47:38.440 they start with, well, God is good. What did God 876 00:47:38.519 --> 00:47:40.639 say to do? Oh he said to stab little kids 877 00:47:40.639 --> 00:47:44.280 in the face and to slice their throats. Okay, well, 878 00:47:44.320 --> 00:47:47.280 then I guess that's good. And then they start with 879 00:47:47.360 --> 00:47:51.280 the apologetics. I mean, you've got people like William Lane 880 00:47:51.320 --> 00:47:55.119 Craig who, for ten plus years, I mean, it seems 881 00:47:55.119 --> 00:47:57.760 to be part of his fundamental, like a fundamental part 882 00:47:57.880 --> 00:48:01.599 of his position that it's good to kill pagan babies 883 00:48:02.039 --> 00:48:04.800 because they'll at least go to heaven because they're not 884 00:48:05.400 --> 00:48:08.840 raised up into a pagan society, just not even considering 885 00:48:08.920 --> 00:48:15.280 the fact that like, like even a slightly better plan 886 00:48:15.599 --> 00:48:18.599 in this situation would be to, oh, well, you can, 887 00:48:19.039 --> 00:48:22.519 you know, go to war with them and capture people, 888 00:48:23.199 --> 00:48:25.519 capture the kids, and then raise the kids in your 889 00:48:25.559 --> 00:48:29.280 own society, right, I mean, kids that young, they're not 890 00:48:29.400 --> 00:48:32.880 gonna remember shit, and so like that is like that's 891 00:48:32.920 --> 00:48:36.079 still a horrible solution, but at least you're not, you know, 892 00:48:36.239 --> 00:48:38.840 having the Israelites like slaughter children. 893 00:48:39.199 --> 00:48:39.519 We see. 894 00:48:39.599 --> 00:48:41.400 I think a lot of them are just like they 895 00:48:41.480 --> 00:48:45.679 accept they watch these YouTube videos, right, accept these apologetics, 896 00:48:45.719 --> 00:48:48.360 and they don't they stop thinking. They don't think any 897 00:48:48.400 --> 00:48:52.280 further than that, right, because when they say, oh, William 898 00:48:52.360 --> 00:48:55.119 Lane Greg said it's okay to kill Pagan babies because 899 00:48:55.119 --> 00:48:57.239 they're going to go to heaven, and then you say, oh, okay, 900 00:48:58.320 --> 00:49:01.320 that's the moral standards you hope, So then likely today 901 00:49:01.360 --> 00:49:03.639 you're saying it's okay to kill Muslim babies because they're 902 00:49:03.679 --> 00:49:06.280 going to go to heaven or and then oh uh, 903 00:49:06.679 --> 00:49:10.440 it was okay for what the early Christians did when 904 00:49:10.480 --> 00:49:14.039 they went onto the continent of America and enslaved people 905 00:49:14.159 --> 00:49:16.960 and killed babies because they were paying, downgraded them to 906 00:49:17.760 --> 00:49:19.119 savages because they were paying. 907 00:49:19.320 --> 00:49:21.360 So then you were saying that you agree with all that. 908 00:49:21.440 --> 00:49:24.039 Then they go, no, that was wrong, that wasn't true Christianity. 909 00:49:24.480 --> 00:49:27.960 Wait wait, you just said that it was right. Like 910 00:49:28.119 --> 00:49:29.199 they don't think any further. 911 00:49:29.599 --> 00:49:31.880 Yeah, we do get a question from the crowd, but 912 00:49:31.960 --> 00:49:33.639 I do want to remind people that we have full 913 00:49:33.719 --> 00:49:35.559 lines open. So if you want to call in the 914 00:49:35.639 --> 00:49:38.519 numbers five one two nine nine two two, or you 915 00:49:38.599 --> 00:49:40.599 can hit up in your your in your in your 916 00:49:40.760 --> 00:49:43.280 in your browser there ACA dot show Ford slash call. 917 00:49:43.519 --> 00:49:44.840 You'll be able to talk to us if you're over 918 00:49:44.840 --> 00:49:48.000 there on TikTok request up. We've been talking a whole 919 00:49:48.039 --> 00:49:50.320 bunch of mad shit about your God. I'm sure that 920 00:49:50.440 --> 00:49:53.920 you're pretty steamy in there in the chat there. Instead 921 00:49:53.960 --> 00:49:56.760 of being a keyboard warrior, request up and actually directly 922 00:49:56.840 --> 00:49:59.320 talked to us. So, uh, we got a question from 923 00:49:59.360 --> 00:50:00.519 the crowd. What's up there? 924 00:50:00.559 --> 00:50:00.800 Crowd? 925 00:50:00.880 --> 00:50:01.480 Hi, y'all doing. 926 00:50:01.880 --> 00:50:06.400 Hey, it's lively out here. So I just wanted to 927 00:50:06.480 --> 00:50:09.960 get your thoughts on something that I heard preached actually 928 00:50:10.000 --> 00:50:12.480 at a church down the street from here recently, and 929 00:50:12.599 --> 00:50:15.760 it's about it's very common that people from a Christian 930 00:50:15.760 --> 00:50:19.800 background will understand Romans one as telling you what the 931 00:50:19.920 --> 00:50:22.920 thoughts of a non believer are, right, what happens inside 932 00:50:22.960 --> 00:50:25.320 the head of a non believer, somebody that rejects God. 933 00:50:25.599 --> 00:50:28.119 You can find all about it in Romans one. The 934 00:50:28.199 --> 00:50:31.440 problem is is if you read this and I'm curious 935 00:50:31.480 --> 00:50:35.119 what you guys think I've never read Romans one and 936 00:50:35.199 --> 00:50:38.280 then found a person in existence that meets the criteria 937 00:50:38.360 --> 00:50:40.920 of how horrible a person this it can actually be. 938 00:50:42.039 --> 00:50:44.679 So just to skim down it a little bit, there 939 00:50:44.760 --> 00:50:48.119 you get a whole section about godlessness and wickedness going together, 940 00:50:48.159 --> 00:50:50.079 and we can debate that what do we call wicked? 941 00:50:50.119 --> 00:50:53.800 What do we call godless? Yeah, sure there's the we 942 00:50:53.960 --> 00:50:56.760 are without excuse. We didn't glorify God or give thanks. 943 00:50:56.800 --> 00:51:00.639 And I'm willing to take that on claim to be wise. 944 00:51:00.679 --> 00:51:03.360 But I became a fool now that probably, But I 945 00:51:03.400 --> 00:51:05.480 don't have to be right about everything anymore. But the 946 00:51:05.920 --> 00:51:08.000 scariest part about all of this is when we get 947 00:51:08.079 --> 00:51:11.639 down to where it talks about the kind of person 948 00:51:12.159 --> 00:51:14.920 that you are without God, and this is uh and 949 00:51:15.000 --> 00:51:17.480 this has to this is they have become filled with 950 00:51:17.599 --> 00:51:22.519 every kind of wickedness, evil, greed, depravity, full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, 951 00:51:22.599 --> 00:51:27.000 and malice. They're gossip slanderers, god haters, insolent, arrogant, boastful, 952 00:51:27.639 --> 00:51:31.400 and they invent ways of doing evil that disobey their parents. 953 00:51:31.440 --> 00:51:34.320 They have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. 954 00:51:34.800 --> 00:51:37.199 And yet I have been accused of being a part 955 00:51:37.239 --> 00:51:40.199 of a group that has toxic empathy this year, Yet 956 00:51:40.280 --> 00:51:44.360 I experience no mercy, I have no love. So I'm 957 00:51:44.400 --> 00:51:46.599 curious to what you guys think about this. I actually 958 00:51:46.679 --> 00:51:49.079 have posed this back to Christians, saying I've never even 959 00:51:49.119 --> 00:51:51.000 a met a Christian that meets all of these criteria 960 00:51:51.079 --> 00:51:53.320 because this isn't what humans are like. 961 00:51:53.880 --> 00:51:58.360 But what do you guys say, I've never heard anyone 962 00:51:58.440 --> 00:52:02.000 say that this is like applied to like all Christians. 963 00:52:02.440 --> 00:52:07.239 They usually read Woman's one uh to me regarding the 964 00:52:07.960 --> 00:52:11.159 LGBTQ I a community, And first. 965 00:52:10.920 --> 00:52:14.400 Off, I have to literally do a. 966 00:52:16.920 --> 00:52:20.280 A reading class with them and teach them how to 967 00:52:20.320 --> 00:52:24.159 follow pronouns so that they can find the subject and understand, 968 00:52:24.280 --> 00:52:27.079 like who is Paul talking about here? And we got 969 00:52:27.199 --> 00:52:30.039 to follow the days and thems throughout the whole thing 970 00:52:30.400 --> 00:52:31.679 to identify. 971 00:52:31.519 --> 00:52:33.079 Who the who Paul is talking about. 972 00:52:33.480 --> 00:52:38.519 And it's he's basically talking about the Jewish followers in 973 00:52:38.639 --> 00:52:43.199 Rome who have left Paul's gospel and gone to Pagodism. 974 00:52:43.719 --> 00:52:46.400 And so he's being specific about a specific group of people. 975 00:52:46.639 --> 00:52:48.519 But the. 976 00:52:50.920 --> 00:52:53.800 Paul is ranting here, like he's not basically saying that 977 00:52:54.000 --> 00:52:57.880 this is every human in the world that doesn't believe 978 00:52:57.960 --> 00:53:03.079 in his God. But also I always ask them, are 979 00:53:03.159 --> 00:53:08.719 you saying that every homosexual person invents evil shit and 980 00:53:08.840 --> 00:53:11.599 it's proud of it? Like, are you saying that every 981 00:53:11.679 --> 00:53:15.880 homosexual person is this disobeys their parents? 982 00:53:15.960 --> 00:53:17.960 Like you got to be saying that they all do. 983 00:53:18.239 --> 00:53:20.840 These things, and they'll go, well, no, just some of them, 984 00:53:21.400 --> 00:53:25.400 Like it doesn't make any sense. But also I think 985 00:53:25.840 --> 00:53:29.679 a lot of hatred comes from that text because people 986 00:53:29.840 --> 00:53:32.199 just don't fucking know how to read. Like we're dealing 987 00:53:32.320 --> 00:53:36.239 with low literacy, and then people believe that they can 988 00:53:36.400 --> 00:53:39.960 interpret the words of an all powerful, all knowing and 989 00:53:40.239 --> 00:53:43.519 intelligent God and you're sitting here with a fifth less 990 00:53:43.599 --> 00:53:45.679 than a fifth grade literacy level. 991 00:53:46.480 --> 00:53:50.880 Like no, well, I'm reading Romans one here and it 992 00:53:51.000 --> 00:53:54.159 says they devise new ways of sinning, And I'm interested 993 00:53:54.199 --> 00:53:56.480 in this new ways of sinning, Like, I mean, I 994 00:53:56.519 --> 00:53:58.920 don't know about y'all, but I'm pretty tired of like 995 00:53:59.039 --> 00:54:01.880 the old ways of sinning that we've been doing all 996 00:54:01.960 --> 00:54:04.559 this heathen re shit. Let's figure out, let's work shop 997 00:54:04.719 --> 00:54:07.519 some new ways to sin. I mean, we can easily 998 00:54:07.719 --> 00:54:10.960 do this, y'all. We're all very smart people here, like 999 00:54:11.119 --> 00:54:14.440 we can determine new ways to sin. But you know, 1000 00:54:14.840 --> 00:54:19.000 even within the context that you know, the Christians typically 1001 00:54:19.079 --> 00:54:24.360 throw this at throw it at us with I think 1002 00:54:24.400 --> 00:54:29.760 that it's particularly hilarious the idea of being labeled as 1003 00:54:30.000 --> 00:54:35.360 as having was it toxic compassion or toxic empathy? Yeah, 1004 00:54:35.440 --> 00:54:39.800 toxic empathy. But then in the same breath reference a 1005 00:54:39.880 --> 00:54:44.119 scripture that says they don't show any kindness or compassion 1006 00:54:44.920 --> 00:54:48.239 like I don't. I cannot, I literally cannot take anybody 1007 00:54:48.320 --> 00:54:51.639 seriously if they're gonna say, if they're gonna claim like 1008 00:54:51.800 --> 00:54:54.599 toxic empathy, but then be like, you're just not kind enough. 1009 00:54:55.599 --> 00:54:59.480 That just doesn't make sense to me. Yeah, we got 1010 00:54:59.480 --> 00:55:04.320 another question from the audience, very inquisitive audience today. 1011 00:55:04.440 --> 00:55:07.320 Hey there, Jamie, how you doing. Hello there, folks. I 1012 00:55:07.719 --> 00:55:10.559 love the idea of the new original sins like forgiving 1013 00:55:10.599 --> 00:55:12.519 me Father, for I have sinned, I have coveted when 1014 00:55:12.519 --> 00:55:16.679 I was wife, forgive me Father, I invert a squirrel. 1015 00:55:16.800 --> 00:55:24.440 Well that's an original sin, but my actual not invert rodents. 1016 00:55:24.679 --> 00:55:28.559 But my actual question is actually comes from the dearth 1017 00:55:28.639 --> 00:55:32.639 of actual Christians coming up to defend their God, because man, 1018 00:55:32.760 --> 00:55:35.800 have I been in some online fights over the past 1019 00:55:35.880 --> 00:55:39.679 few days. One very specifically sticks out in my mind, 1020 00:55:40.960 --> 00:55:42.920 and again I invited them to come onto the shows 1021 00:55:42.960 --> 00:55:44.800 and talk about it. It was that they said that 1022 00:55:44.960 --> 00:55:50.599 we could not deign to call something that God does 1023 00:55:50.960 --> 00:55:55.880 unjust because we, again, we can't comprehend what justice is. 1024 00:55:56.840 --> 00:55:59.679 And the simple answer I always give is, well, justice 1025 00:55:59.760 --> 00:56:03.800 is getting what you deserve. How can you redefine it 1026 00:56:04.039 --> 00:56:06.519 to mean something else? I mean, if some Christians says, well, 1027 00:56:06.559 --> 00:56:11.159 you can't call God unjust because he's God, how would 1028 00:56:11.199 --> 00:56:12.559 you respond to that? 1029 00:56:14.719 --> 00:56:18.360 See, you can't call God unjust because he's God. Yeah, 1030 00:56:18.400 --> 00:56:19.519 that's something of that nature. 1031 00:56:20.199 --> 00:56:24.800 The sovereignty, the sovereignty, and also just the fact that 1032 00:56:24.880 --> 00:56:28.360 we are mere humans and what is our framework for justice? 1033 00:56:28.880 --> 00:56:32.480 Well, I mean it seems like they're just starting off with, well, 1034 00:56:32.679 --> 00:56:36.519 God is just, and so whatever's you know, you know, 1035 00:56:36.719 --> 00:56:40.000 against God or not falling in line with what God wants, 1036 00:56:40.159 --> 00:56:44.119 that's unjust. So it's basically defining just or what is 1037 00:56:44.440 --> 00:56:47.519 just by whatever God likes or whatever God wants. And 1038 00:56:47.840 --> 00:56:50.400 I feel like that's kind of past awkwards from what. 1039 00:56:50.760 --> 00:56:53.519 Justice they do with morality though, right, yeah, it is 1040 00:56:53.760 --> 00:56:59.119 is the sovereign God like mean human him, God, I 1041 00:56:59.280 --> 00:57:03.159 know nothing, you know all, Like that's what it basically is. 1042 00:57:07.039 --> 00:57:10.519 Uh okay. So I'm not trying to shield my own 1043 00:57:10.559 --> 00:57:13.840 stuff here right now. But I do have I've put 1044 00:57:13.880 --> 00:57:16.039 out a Bible app that has a bunch of like 1045 00:57:16.079 --> 00:57:18.920 an analysis section and everything like that. And so I'm 1046 00:57:18.960 --> 00:57:21.559 pulling up here since we don't have any Christians to 1047 00:57:21.639 --> 00:57:24.000 call in because they're too scared to face you know, 1048 00:57:24.239 --> 00:57:27.119 thinker in myself like they don't they don't want to 1049 00:57:27.239 --> 00:57:31.679 challenge us on God. It's way too They're like, nah, 1050 00:57:31.840 --> 00:57:33.679 we're not going to have our asses handed to us 1051 00:57:33.840 --> 00:57:36.079 today by by these two. But if you would like 1052 00:57:36.159 --> 00:57:38.519 to call in, uh, the number is five one two 1053 00:57:38.599 --> 00:57:40.920 nine nine one nine two four two, or you can 1054 00:57:40.960 --> 00:57:43.679 request up over there on the TikTok side, or you 1055 00:57:43.760 --> 00:57:46.239 can hit up ACA dot show Forward, slash call and 1056 00:57:46.480 --> 00:57:48.199 you can be able to talk to us. But like 1057 00:57:48.280 --> 00:57:50.400 I said, I do have my own Bible app that 1058 00:57:50.519 --> 00:57:53.400 I'm setting up, I'm maintaining and everything like that, and 1059 00:57:53.559 --> 00:57:58.400 I've got this contradiction section. Now, thinker, Uh do you 1060 00:57:58.599 --> 00:58:04.559 have like a oh okay, Uh, so do you have 1061 00:58:04.639 --> 00:58:07.360 a favorite like contradiction in the Bible at. 1062 00:58:07.320 --> 00:58:16.440 All favorite contradiction not really hmmm, a favorite one I 1063 00:58:16.519 --> 00:58:19.840 don't even like. I rarely pay attention to the contradictions. 1064 00:58:26.559 --> 00:58:26.800 Huh. 1065 00:58:28.000 --> 00:58:30.119 I don't have a favorite one. I can't think of 1066 00:58:30.159 --> 00:58:30.400 what one like. 1067 00:58:30.480 --> 00:58:34.559 I guess the solemn, I mean the the inciting Satan inciting, 1068 00:58:34.800 --> 00:58:35.639 like I think. 1069 00:58:36.000 --> 00:58:37.239 This is the way my mind works. 1070 00:58:37.360 --> 00:58:39.719 At first, when I first started deconstructing, the contradictions were 1071 00:58:39.719 --> 00:58:41.960 a big deal to me, right, and then the more 1072 00:58:41.960 --> 00:58:45.199 and more I studied, and I'm like, oh, the it's 1073 00:58:45.280 --> 00:58:46.119 not univocal. 1074 00:58:46.239 --> 00:58:48.239 So this is why this one says this and this. 1075 00:58:48.760 --> 00:58:52.000 So I don't nearly pay attention to the contradictions that 1076 00:58:52.280 --> 00:58:55.719 much unless you know a believer like breis it up? 1077 00:58:55.960 --> 00:59:03.159 But the Solomon not Solomon? Uh for Samuel and uh. 1078 00:59:04.840 --> 00:59:08.639 Second chronicles where the god in size David with the 1079 00:59:09.480 --> 00:59:11.559 to take the census, and then the chronicler comes back 1080 00:59:11.599 --> 00:59:14.679 and goes, no, it was I guess that one, okay, 1081 00:59:14.800 --> 00:59:15.079 would be. 1082 00:59:15.239 --> 00:59:17.440 It's not a favorite. I don't have a favorite college. 1083 00:59:17.480 --> 00:59:18.440 You put me on the spot. 1084 00:59:18.679 --> 00:59:22.360 I'm so sorry. You know that everybody's scared to call us. 1085 00:59:22.639 --> 00:59:25.559 I'm trying to think of, you know, stuff to do 1086 00:59:25.719 --> 00:59:30.480 on the spot. Here for me personally, which anybody else, Yes, the. 1087 00:59:30.480 --> 00:59:34.239 Birth of Jesus, thank you, she called me batman. The 1088 00:59:34.920 --> 00:59:38.880 that's the birth of Jesus. And whether quin terry is 1089 00:59:39.320 --> 00:59:43.719 whether the he was born during the census. Okay, yeah, yeah, No, 1090 00:59:43.840 --> 00:59:44.519 that's a good one. 1091 00:59:44.719 --> 00:59:46.920 Yeah, that's a really good one because you know, you 1092 00:59:47.039 --> 00:59:50.079 can't he can't be born in both time periods, and 1093 00:59:50.199 --> 00:59:53.760 both time periods are time box to a certain events 1094 00:59:53.880 --> 00:59:56.840 that you know they have to contend with. So that's 1095 00:59:56.960 --> 00:59:59.800 that's a that's a good one. I know one is 1096 01:00:00.119 --> 01:00:02.480 kind of like one of those prophecies that Jesus like 1097 01:00:02.639 --> 01:00:05.719 never fulfilled kind of thing. So I'm looking here and 1098 01:00:05.880 --> 01:00:09.280 for anybody out there that's curious, party, yes. 1099 01:00:09.320 --> 01:00:16.480 Okay, that man, I'd be named him all kinds of things, Jesus, 1100 01:00:16.559 --> 01:00:20.360 Joseph Christ but quh. 1101 01:00:20.480 --> 01:00:23.400 But for anybody that's curious, it's Gebible dot app and 1102 01:00:23.639 --> 01:00:26.760 it's got like some great analyses sections. But the contradiction 1103 01:00:26.840 --> 01:00:28.920 I'm looking at right now is will the Messiah be 1104 01:00:29.000 --> 01:00:33.239 a descendant of David? And so like there's several old 1105 01:00:33.320 --> 01:00:36.800 Testament stuff that is actually characterizing like what they think 1106 01:00:36.840 --> 01:00:39.960 the Messiah will be, and that's a descendant of David, right, 1107 01:00:40.440 --> 01:00:42.840 and then of course in the New Testament they have 1108 01:00:42.960 --> 01:00:45.159 to finagle things which kind of plays off of what 1109 01:00:45.280 --> 01:00:48.000 you were talking about the different birthdays of Jesus. But 1110 01:00:48.519 --> 01:00:51.679 this is the different lineages, because there's different lineages that 1111 01:00:51.760 --> 01:00:54.280 are given to Jesus and it's all in an effort 1112 01:00:54.360 --> 01:00:58.800 to directly connect him to David. And so that's it's 1113 01:00:59.159 --> 01:01:02.800 it's an interesting contradiction in the Bible because it's it's 1114 01:01:02.920 --> 01:01:06.639 definitely the Bible at odds with itself as far as 1115 01:01:06.840 --> 01:01:10.800 like what even the Messiah is going to be. I 1116 01:01:10.960 --> 01:01:13.840 believe we have another question from the audience. All right, 1117 01:01:14.079 --> 01:01:16.239 so what's up their audience? How you doing? 1118 01:01:16.920 --> 01:01:18.000 I'm good, I'm doing good. 1119 01:01:18.559 --> 01:01:19.679 Let me just try to see if I get right. 1120 01:01:19.719 --> 01:01:20.039 There we go. 1121 01:01:21.000 --> 01:01:26.079 So recently, a famous streamer as been Gold, said online 1122 01:01:26.199 --> 01:01:29.280 as an atheist that he would prefer to live in 1123 01:01:29.360 --> 01:01:32.519 a white Christian nationalist nation because of the values that 1124 01:01:32.639 --> 01:01:35.360 it instills in everyone else and that how that benefits him. 1125 01:01:35.360 --> 01:01:36.800 I was wondering what you guys would think of that, 1126 01:01:37.480 --> 01:01:40.599 and honestly, why an atheist would come to that kind 1127 01:01:40.599 --> 01:01:41.280 of conclusion. 1128 01:01:41.800 --> 01:01:45.079 Well, I think atheism doesn't get rid of racism like 1129 01:01:46.039 --> 01:01:51.320 there are racist atheists, there are homophobic atheists. Like atheism 1130 01:01:51.960 --> 01:01:54.559 is just a lack of belief in a god, atheism isn't. 1131 01:01:54.639 --> 01:01:57.360 I'm a moral person. I'm more moral because I don't believe. 1132 01:01:57.159 --> 01:01:57.519 In a god. 1133 01:01:58.239 --> 01:02:00.800 And I think this is why I say I don't 1134 01:02:00.800 --> 01:02:02.199 give a fuck of a person believes in a god 1135 01:02:02.320 --> 01:02:02.440 or not. 1136 01:02:02.679 --> 01:02:05.400 I care about what you say you believe. 1137 01:02:05.800 --> 01:02:09.239 Right on my live stream, when people come up, if 1138 01:02:09.280 --> 01:02:13.159 they are racist, if they're rude, I don't stop and think, oh, 1139 01:02:13.280 --> 01:02:14.079 this is an atheist. 1140 01:02:14.079 --> 01:02:17.039 I'm gonna treat you different. I'm not. I'm gonna say fuck. 1141 01:02:17.280 --> 01:02:18.719 I'm gonna say fuck you lord. 1142 01:02:18.840 --> 01:02:21.719 No, you're gonna get the same aggression whether you're a 1143 01:02:21.800 --> 01:02:26.239 believing a believer who's racist or homophobic, or an atheist. 1144 01:02:26.639 --> 01:02:31.039 But I think it's just that that person is a 1145 01:02:31.559 --> 01:02:37.079 racist atheist who prefers white supremacy ideologies, whether it's with 1146 01:02:37.199 --> 01:02:37.880 a god or without. 1147 01:02:38.920 --> 01:02:43.639 Yeah, yeah, I don't know why in the fuck anybody 1148 01:02:43.679 --> 01:02:46.480 would say that they would prefer Christian nationalism like that 1149 01:02:46.599 --> 01:02:49.760 seems like a crazy, you know, position to hold. And 1150 01:02:50.159 --> 01:02:53.559 it's exactly what Thinker said that, you know, inherent or 1151 01:02:54.400 --> 01:03:00.440 ingrained racism is always seems to be always present in group. 1152 01:03:01.639 --> 01:03:06.360 You know, the atheist position isn't inoculated against racism, misogyny, 1153 01:03:07.119 --> 01:03:10.320 or any of those things. And I think to want 1154 01:03:10.440 --> 01:03:14.880 to live in a Christian nationalist sort of system, I 1155 01:03:15.000 --> 01:03:18.079 guess it kind of reveals that, like, you know, as 1156 01:03:18.199 --> 01:03:21.280 long as you're okay, you don't care what happens to 1157 01:03:21.320 --> 01:03:23.559 everybody else. And I feel like that reveals more about you. 1158 01:03:23.920 --> 01:03:26.360 Yeah, And I think there's a different Like so when 1159 01:03:26.400 --> 01:03:31.639 they say Christian nationalism, they're not saying, oh, everybody who's 1160 01:03:31.719 --> 01:03:33.159 Christian will be prioritized. 1161 01:03:33.320 --> 01:03:34.880 It's it's hierarchical, right. 1162 01:03:35.639 --> 01:03:42.480 And we've heard different people within office say things about 1163 01:03:42.920 --> 01:03:48.639 Christian nationalism is white Christian nationalism, right, It is the 1164 01:03:49.000 --> 01:03:53.000 white Christian male prioritized at the top, and then everybody 1165 01:03:53.039 --> 01:03:55.119 else at the bottom, who you know, who are Christian. 1166 01:03:55.239 --> 01:03:59.559 That's Christian nationalism. And you know, we can't you know, 1167 01:04:00.880 --> 01:04:03.360 play around with that, like people like there there are 1168 01:04:03.440 --> 01:04:06.639 black people who have said that they they think Christian 1169 01:04:06.719 --> 01:04:12.039 nationalism would be okay because they think that Christian nationalism 1170 01:04:12.199 --> 01:04:16.280 just means it's Christian, you know, that's being prioritized. 1171 01:04:16.559 --> 01:04:20.239 It's it's hierarchical, right, and I know a lot of 1172 01:04:20.280 --> 01:04:22.599 people have like the like I was saying before, with 1173 01:04:22.679 --> 01:04:26.559 the romanticized sort of idea of God or Jesus. They 1174 01:04:26.599 --> 01:04:29.599 do the same thing with Christianity in general. They romanticize 1175 01:04:29.639 --> 01:04:32.679 the religion into thinking that, oh, it's it's just happy, 1176 01:04:32.800 --> 01:04:34.880 go lucky, like it's just being good to people and 1177 01:04:34.920 --> 01:04:38.039 all this other stuff, when in reality, I think that 1178 01:04:38.599 --> 01:04:41.920 you're you're liable to get into the harsher you know, 1179 01:04:42.079 --> 01:04:44.800 fundamentalists sort of sex, because those are the sex that 1180 01:04:44.920 --> 01:04:48.159 are really pushing for Christian nationalism. It's the fundamentalists out there. 1181 01:04:48.239 --> 01:04:52.119 It's the it's the fundamentalist Like sorry, I almost slipped 1182 01:04:52.159 --> 01:04:55.440 up there. It's fundamentalists out there that want to enact 1183 01:04:55.840 --> 01:05:00.360 family voting, and they want to enact different law laws 1184 01:05:00.519 --> 01:05:05.719 to disenfranchise women, especially black women and the black community 1185 01:05:05.840 --> 01:05:08.760 in general. They are out there trying to push for 1186 01:05:09.000 --> 01:05:14.840 laws that are gonna sequester, you know, the vote for 1187 01:05:15.960 --> 01:05:17.920 says head white males. And so if you if you 1188 01:05:18.079 --> 01:05:21.280 hear a says head white male who is very obviously 1189 01:05:21.480 --> 01:05:25.920 gonna be okay in a Christian nationalist state, uh be like, oh, 1190 01:05:26.079 --> 01:05:30.199 Christian nationalism is perfectly fine with me. It's they're just saying, 1191 01:05:30.280 --> 01:05:33.599 I don't care what fucking happens to you. I'm fine. 1192 01:05:33.800 --> 01:05:35.159 Well, some of them don't know. 1193 01:05:35.840 --> 01:05:39.000 Like I talked to one on my on my Life 1194 01:05:39.199 --> 01:05:42.199 like two weeks ago, and he was a, you know, 1195 01:05:42.920 --> 01:05:48.719 a nice guy. He said he he was one that 1196 01:05:48.920 --> 01:05:51.800 believed that Christian nationalism just meant, you know, that. 1197 01:05:51.920 --> 01:05:54.440 The God would govern. And I asked him. 1198 01:05:54.480 --> 01:05:56.800 I was like, well, who's gonna decide? Like, how do 1199 01:05:56.880 --> 01:06:00.119 you know when a god is creating a rule, Like 1200 01:06:01.199 --> 01:06:03.480 how does the God govern? And he's like, I didn't 1201 01:06:03.480 --> 01:06:08.639 think about that. He was like, everybody communicates with God. 1202 01:06:08.760 --> 01:06:11.880 I said, so it's going to be a nation of chaos, 1203 01:06:12.039 --> 01:06:14.599 like everybody's gonna be fighting back and forth saying God 1204 01:06:14.679 --> 01:06:18.079 said this. God said that, and he goes, no, He said, 1205 01:06:18.119 --> 01:06:21.280 you know, there's going to be one person that speaks 1206 01:06:21.360 --> 01:06:24.039 for God. And I said, well, who decides who that 1207 01:06:24.199 --> 01:06:26.519 person is? And he said, well, I guess it would 1208 01:06:26.519 --> 01:06:29.159 have to be you know, like Moses, Like God made 1209 01:06:29.199 --> 01:06:32.519 moses staff into a snake. I said, are y'all waiting 1210 01:06:32.559 --> 01:06:35.440 on some magic trick to be able to choose who's 1211 01:06:35.480 --> 01:06:37.679 going to speak for the God in this theocracy? That 1212 01:06:37.800 --> 01:06:39.960 y'all are hoping. He was like, well, I didn't think 1213 01:06:40.000 --> 01:06:42.280 about that. So, like a lot of them are sitting 1214 01:06:42.320 --> 01:06:44.719 around thinking that it would be great for God to 1215 01:06:45.519 --> 01:06:46.639 you know, govern. 1216 01:06:48.079 --> 01:06:49.000 You know, our world. 1217 01:06:49.760 --> 01:06:52.039 But who's gonna actually talk because the God don't have 1218 01:06:52.159 --> 01:06:53.280 lips and he. 1219 01:06:55.480 --> 01:06:58.280 Can't talk. Oh, yeah, I said it. 1220 01:06:58.519 --> 01:07:01.039 Yeah, we do have one question question I think from 1221 01:07:01.119 --> 01:07:03.000 the audience this, I know who this is on this 1222 01:07:03.360 --> 01:07:03.679 go ahead? 1223 01:07:03.719 --> 01:07:08.880 Yeah, So my question is one of the most common 1224 01:07:09.119 --> 01:07:12.039 and I would say most frustrating responses that I've gotten 1225 01:07:12.079 --> 01:07:16.920 from theists when I bring up biblical contradictions is mysterious ways. 1226 01:07:17.639 --> 01:07:21.000 And so I was wondering, what is your maybe favorite 1227 01:07:21.280 --> 01:07:25.719 or best response to when a theist just gives that 1228 01:07:25.840 --> 01:07:28.280 answer and kind of tries to shut down the conversation. 1229 01:07:30.039 --> 01:07:31.400 His ways are mysterious. 1230 01:07:32.519 --> 01:07:35.920 We usually just make fun of it, like it depends 1231 01:07:35.960 --> 01:07:40.119 on what we're talking about, because it's like it's a mystery. 1232 01:07:40.199 --> 01:07:42.519 Then how they held that you even know about it? 1233 01:07:42.679 --> 01:07:43.840 Like what else is a mystery? 1234 01:07:44.320 --> 01:07:48.239 But those are thought stopping cliches. Yeah, like, it depends 1235 01:07:48.280 --> 01:07:49.280 on what we're talking about. 1236 01:07:50.320 --> 01:07:54.039 Yeah, how I'd respond to it would would just be 1237 01:07:54.119 --> 01:07:57.199 simply to acknowledge the thought stopping nature of it and 1238 01:07:57.519 --> 01:08:00.320 be like, well that that's just the thought stopper and 1239 01:08:01.159 --> 01:08:03.039 you know, and then try to probe a little bit 1240 01:08:03.119 --> 01:08:05.880 more is what I would do, Like, uh, you know, 1241 01:08:05.960 --> 01:08:08.360 I would try to get them to think more critically 1242 01:08:08.559 --> 01:08:12.360 about it, like instead of you know, stopping there mysterious ways, 1243 01:08:12.719 --> 01:08:14.760 go a bit deeper and be like, well, can a 1244 01:08:15.320 --> 01:08:18.520 god that's all good? Really, you know, command the sex 1245 01:08:18.600 --> 01:08:22.319 trafficking little girls, Like I don't think so. You would 1246 01:08:22.319 --> 01:08:24.439 think that that would be an easy question, but like, 1247 01:08:24.600 --> 01:08:26.520 I can't tell you the number of times I brought 1248 01:08:26.560 --> 01:08:29.960 that up to a Christian on a call and they're like, well, 1249 01:08:30.319 --> 01:08:33.439 it depends on the contacts. It's like, I don't think 1250 01:08:33.520 --> 01:08:34.239 it does, buddy. 1251 01:08:36.479 --> 01:08:38.920 Like, and I also like when they say the mysterious 1252 01:08:39.000 --> 01:08:42.000 thing and that I say that that their world is 1253 01:08:42.039 --> 01:08:46.560 spiritual and whatever happens in the spiritual world states in 1254 01:08:46.640 --> 01:08:47.520 the spiritual world. 1255 01:08:48.520 --> 01:08:50.359 You just want to be able to say that up 1256 01:08:50.439 --> 01:08:52.640 and down and down up like that ain't a mister, 1257 01:08:52.800 --> 01:08:53.479 that's you lying? 1258 01:08:54.239 --> 01:08:58.600 Yeah, all right, thank you so much for that question. 1259 01:08:59.560 --> 01:08:59.800 We do. 1260 01:09:00.000 --> 01:09:05.920 We have Maddie calling in yep, Hi there, Maddie, how 1261 01:09:06.039 --> 01:09:06.479 you doing. 1262 01:09:07.800 --> 01:09:07.920 Hi? 1263 01:09:07.920 --> 01:09:09.199 I'm doing good. How are y'all? 1264 01:09:09.520 --> 01:09:11.840 I'm doing pretty good. So what do you want to 1265 01:09:11.880 --> 01:09:12.560 talk about today? 1266 01:09:13.800 --> 01:09:16.840 I want to talk about the topic about God being 1267 01:09:16.880 --> 01:09:20.920 a moral monster, and I could not agree more. Honestly, 1268 01:09:20.960 --> 01:09:24.760 it's kind of annoying when believers say, especially to atheists, 1269 01:09:24.800 --> 01:09:27.119 that we get our morals from a God, or even 1270 01:09:27.199 --> 01:09:29.960 try to elude that we get our morals from the God, 1271 01:09:30.439 --> 01:09:32.800 like they wouldn't even agree with half of the shit 1272 01:09:33.000 --> 01:09:35.960 in this book, like going into other country and getting 1273 01:09:36.079 --> 01:09:39.960 virgin child brides, or slavery or selling your daughter off. 1274 01:09:39.840 --> 01:09:40.600 At the sex slave. 1275 01:09:41.039 --> 01:09:42.800 But I want to ask, how would you guys go 1276 01:09:42.960 --> 01:09:47.039 about showing or talking about our morals existing outside of 1277 01:09:47.119 --> 01:09:49.800 this God or the fact that they don't come from 1278 01:09:49.840 --> 01:09:52.680 this God? And how should we deal with being told 1279 01:09:52.800 --> 01:09:55.359 that our morals do come from this God of this book? 1280 01:09:55.920 --> 01:10:01.279 Yeah, So I personally like to appeal to secular humanism, 1281 01:10:01.600 --> 01:10:05.079 and the way that I bring that up is that 1282 01:10:05.319 --> 01:10:12.600 I essentially juxtapose secular humanism against like God, his will, 1283 01:10:12.880 --> 01:10:16.760 what God wants, because like the moral system that Christianity 1284 01:10:16.840 --> 01:10:20.680 presents is God centered, it's not human centered. It's not 1285 01:10:20.960 --> 01:10:25.159 centered on the health and well being of our fellow 1286 01:10:25.239 --> 01:10:29.600 humans or other sentient creatures on our planet or anywhere 1287 01:10:29.680 --> 01:10:33.000 for that matter, and so I typically will juxtapose it 1288 01:10:33.039 --> 01:10:37.520 against that, like I care about what happens to my 1289 01:10:37.680 --> 01:10:41.920 fellow humans and what effect my actions have on people 1290 01:10:42.000 --> 01:10:44.159 around me. That's what I care about, and that's what 1291 01:10:44.399 --> 01:10:47.680 I ground my sense of morality, and that's how I 1292 01:10:47.840 --> 01:10:50.399 make my moral decisions as to you know, how does 1293 01:10:50.479 --> 01:10:54.079 this how does this action affect the people around me 1294 01:10:54.159 --> 01:10:58.239 and affect my society and all that. Whereas Christians, what 1295 01:10:58.399 --> 01:11:01.960 they end up doing, not all Christians obviously, but like 1296 01:11:02.039 --> 01:11:05.920 the Christians that would pose this particular challenge, they're going 1297 01:11:06.000 --> 01:11:08.600 to be more concerned with what pleases God, and that's 1298 01:11:09.319 --> 01:11:12.800 usually not what's best for humanity, and it's really hard 1299 01:11:12.840 --> 01:11:15.760 for them to actually, at least I find it's hard 1300 01:11:15.800 --> 01:11:18.560 for them to ground that in what's best for humanity 1301 01:11:18.720 --> 01:11:22.000 other than just the simple claim that it is best 1302 01:11:22.039 --> 01:11:25.319 for humanity just because God says so, and that's never convincing. 1303 01:11:27.439 --> 01:11:30.720 Well maney, I would have to say that sometimes you'll 1304 01:11:30.760 --> 01:11:35.239 hear Christians say that you can't ground your morals unless 1305 01:11:35.319 --> 01:11:40.640 it's within the God. And I've had conversations with believers 1306 01:11:40.680 --> 01:11:43.399 in ass well if you believe that it is wrong 1307 01:11:43.479 --> 01:11:46.159 for you to kill, and I believe that it's wrong 1308 01:11:46.640 --> 01:11:50.840 to kill, and neither of us kill, then what's the difference? 1309 01:11:50.880 --> 01:11:54.319 And they say, well, yours isn't grounded in God and 1310 01:11:55.560 --> 01:11:59.760 you're not killing. Doesn't really matter, Like they don't have 1311 01:12:00.119 --> 01:12:04.640 any any basis to say that if we both aren't 1312 01:12:04.680 --> 01:12:08.439 out here killing people, that there is any better than 1313 01:12:08.439 --> 01:12:11.920 the other. But when then I come back and I say, okay, 1314 01:12:12.000 --> 01:12:15.039 but if your God tells you that, if you believe 1315 01:12:15.079 --> 01:12:16.800 that God is speaking to you and he wants you 1316 01:12:16.920 --> 01:12:19.760 to go and kill, then do you kill? And they 1317 01:12:19.840 --> 01:12:22.359 say yes, And I say, the difference with me is 1318 01:12:22.439 --> 01:12:27.279 that my morals are rooted in logic, and my morals 1319 01:12:27.279 --> 01:12:32.319 are rooted in compassion and humanity. So then there there 1320 01:12:32.479 --> 01:12:36.279 isn't anything outside of me that can override that logic 1321 01:12:36.680 --> 01:12:42.560 that says that it is harmful to like, everyone deserves 1322 01:12:42.600 --> 01:12:45.319 a right to life, and therefore I should not take 1323 01:12:45.920 --> 01:12:49.079 someone else's life because I wouldn't want someone to intrude 1324 01:12:49.119 --> 01:12:49.960 on my right to live. 1325 01:12:50.399 --> 01:12:53.359 Right, So that logic overrides. 1326 01:12:52.880 --> 01:12:55.520 In the in the moment of when when I'm in 1327 01:12:55.600 --> 01:12:59.239 a moment of heat, right and I'm upset, that logical 1328 01:12:59.359 --> 01:13:03.720 framework then stops me from harming another person. But if 1329 01:13:03.760 --> 01:13:07.279 you're if you if your moral system is rooted in 1330 01:13:08.199 --> 01:13:11.920 a belief that a God can command you to kill 1331 01:13:12.239 --> 01:13:16.640 in a moment of anger, and you can tell yourself 1332 01:13:16.680 --> 01:13:19.600 a scripture he gives us to the righteous judgment, and 1333 01:13:19.720 --> 01:13:22.600 he said they will try down all the scorpions and 1334 01:13:22.680 --> 01:13:25.600 then bam, you don't kill somebody because you believe God 1335 01:13:25.680 --> 01:13:26.279 has told you to. 1336 01:13:27.399 --> 01:13:31.680 Does that make sense? Yeah, that makes perfect sense. 1337 01:13:31.800 --> 01:13:34.520 I mean I always say that my mother taught me 1338 01:13:34.640 --> 01:13:35.239 my morals. 1339 01:13:35.439 --> 01:13:37.319 I think humanity. 1340 01:13:37.399 --> 01:13:41.359 We've been teaching ourselves my morals through the exact things 1341 01:13:41.439 --> 01:13:45.800 that you guys said, like circular humanism, and also what 1342 01:13:46.039 --> 01:13:49.239 we believe is right, Like we know, am well that 1343 01:13:49.880 --> 01:13:52.960 flapping somebody's for no reason is a bad thing, Like 1344 01:13:53.119 --> 01:13:55.079 we should not do that, and that's because it's harming 1345 01:13:55.119 --> 01:13:55.520 a person. 1346 01:13:55.960 --> 01:13:59.920 So I always say it comes like, yeah, that's bound. 1347 01:14:01.399 --> 01:14:02.199 I'm sorry, y'all. 1348 01:14:02.760 --> 01:14:03.720 Okay, So yeah, I was. 1349 01:14:03.720 --> 01:14:04.159 Agree with you. 1350 01:14:04.239 --> 01:14:06.800 I was saying bullying is bad, and like kicking people 1351 01:14:06.840 --> 01:14:08.880 off of bikes, that's bad. 1352 01:14:10.159 --> 01:14:14.600 Yeah, right, especially especially like there's no reason, but there's 1353 01:14:14.640 --> 01:14:16.640 obviously a reason why somebody. 1354 01:14:16.720 --> 01:14:18.680 And that's when the morals get overwritten. 1355 01:14:18.800 --> 01:14:20.840 That's what I'm saying, right, this should never be a 1356 01:14:20.960 --> 01:14:24.439 reason that you can say, hey, I kicked a child 1357 01:14:24.520 --> 01:14:27.279 off of a bike. But like, if that happens, then 1358 01:14:27.319 --> 01:14:31.520 your morals aren't rooted in and logic or secular humanism, right, It's. 1359 01:14:31.479 --> 01:14:34.079 Rooted in like emotion. And so that's what I'm saying. 1360 01:14:34.119 --> 01:14:37.720 That was an example, but go ahead, I'm sorry, all. 1361 01:14:37.800 --> 01:14:39.439 Right, right, And I mean, you know that could be 1362 01:14:39.560 --> 01:14:42.439 subjective depending on the situation, you know, but it's okay. 1363 01:14:42.840 --> 01:14:46.399 Like our parents, our morals and moral. 1364 01:14:46.159 --> 01:14:48.119 Are really just passed down through our generations. 1365 01:14:48.159 --> 01:14:51.560 And I think as our brains developed, you know, as 1366 01:14:52.000 --> 01:14:55.840 a species of humans, as we developed, as we started 1367 01:14:55.880 --> 01:14:58.279 thinking about things that we like happening in us and 1368 01:14:58.399 --> 01:15:01.279 things that we don't like happening to us, we created 1369 01:15:01.359 --> 01:15:06.039 these morals. And like we see, these morals differentiate depending 1370 01:15:06.079 --> 01:15:08.439 on what region of the world we're looking at. Like 1371 01:15:08.520 --> 01:15:10.920 we can look at greg Miss how they have their 1372 01:15:11.000 --> 01:15:13.279 morals and this book and how they have their morals. 1373 01:15:13.520 --> 01:15:16.920 For for instance, we can look at Buddhism and what 1374 01:15:17.079 --> 01:15:19.920 they believe in Hinduism and how they all just kind 1375 01:15:19.920 --> 01:15:20.439 of different. 1376 01:15:20.520 --> 01:15:20.960 I think. 1377 01:15:22.840 --> 01:15:24.640 Are different minds on the way we think in. 1378 01:15:24.680 --> 01:15:26.359 These different areas and situations. 1379 01:15:27.640 --> 01:15:28.720 Yes, that's. 1380 01:15:32.039 --> 01:15:32.359 That is. 1381 01:15:35.039 --> 01:15:38.279 That is so true, Maddie. I agree. 1382 01:15:39.079 --> 01:15:50.199 I feel like I'm not in on the joke on this. 1383 01:15:51.159 --> 01:15:56.239 I'm trying to act like it's just a mystic's. 1384 01:15:56.399 --> 01:15:57.800 That's all we're giggling about. 1385 01:15:58.000 --> 01:16:03.000 Yes, at me, Okay, that's okay, the correct way it's 1386 01:16:03.800 --> 01:16:05.479 it's Buddhism, that's the creation. 1387 01:16:07.279 --> 01:16:10.840 No, it's Buddhism. It is bootyism, now, that. 1388 01:16:11.000 --> 01:16:11.479 Is what it is. 1389 01:16:12.039 --> 01:16:13.520 Booty No. 1390 01:16:13.920 --> 01:16:15.640 Oh my gosh, I don't know. 1391 01:16:15.920 --> 01:16:19.000 I prefer Buddism to you know, Buddhism. 1392 01:16:21.399 --> 01:16:22.640 Oh my god, it's okay. 1393 01:16:22.960 --> 01:16:24.640 Back, won't stop laughing. 1394 01:16:24.840 --> 01:16:27.119 It's okay, Matt, it is okay. 1395 01:16:27.479 --> 01:16:30.319 Hey, we make mistakes, right, And so that's the good 1396 01:16:30.359 --> 01:16:32.520 thing about secular humanism is that we're not going to 1397 01:16:32.560 --> 01:16:34.920 send you to hell for saying Buddhism, like, we're gonna. 1398 01:16:34.680 --> 01:16:38.039 Laugh with you. We're gonna like offer the correct. 1399 01:16:37.760 --> 01:16:40.560 Information and it's just gonna be a clip that's gonna 1400 01:16:40.560 --> 01:16:40.920 be funny. 1401 01:16:42.359 --> 01:16:43.640 No, let's not clip that. 1402 01:16:43.960 --> 01:16:48.279 But thank you guys, Thank you guys for the information 1403 01:16:48.399 --> 01:16:50.319 in the conversation. It was really good and I hope 1404 01:16:50.359 --> 01:16:51.199 you'll have a great show. 1405 01:16:51.359 --> 01:16:52.119 Can you save me? 1406 01:16:52.239 --> 01:16:58.920 You bye bye. So, just so that everybody knows, technically, 1407 01:16:59.199 --> 01:17:05.840 the religion that worship's booty is at at donndtology apparently. 1408 01:17:06.760 --> 01:17:06.960 Wow. 1409 01:17:07.039 --> 01:17:09.319 Yes, it's the religious worship of curvy bunts. 1410 01:17:09.720 --> 01:17:12.119 Oh wow, oh wow you interesting. 1411 01:17:12.359 --> 01:17:12.560 Yeah. 1412 01:17:14.479 --> 01:17:15.199 Well, since we. 1413 01:17:17.800 --> 01:17:21.920 Have taken one call and we're almost done for today, 1414 01:17:22.960 --> 01:17:26.079 I am gonna go ahead and finish our announcements. We 1415 01:17:26.199 --> 01:17:29.039 have a channel that houses all of the shows on 1416 01:17:29.079 --> 01:17:33.399 the ACA and audio podcast form. Visit ACA dot show 1417 01:17:33.960 --> 01:17:37.119 for slazed podcast. 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Every week, video operators, 1428 01:18:14.159 --> 01:18:19.039 audio operators, note takers, call screeners, and chat moderators, and 1429 01:18:19.119 --> 01:18:21.520 if you would like to be one of those attractive 1430 01:18:21.600 --> 01:18:24.439 crew members, be a guest on one of our shows, 1431 01:18:24.600 --> 01:18:27.920 or eventually even become a host. We're always looking for 1432 01:18:28.039 --> 01:18:31.000 people interested in being part of our production, so email 1433 01:18:31.119 --> 01:18:35.239 volunteer at atheistdashcommunity dot org to get involved. 1434 01:18:36.520 --> 01:18:38.760 All right, so we do have somebody on the TikTok, 1435 01:18:38.840 --> 01:18:41.039 but we do have an audience question real quick that 1436 01:18:41.159 --> 01:18:43.720 we want to get to before getting to the TikTok guest. So, 1437 01:18:43.880 --> 01:18:45.760 TikTok guest, we will get to you here in just 1438 01:18:45.840 --> 01:18:48.680 a second, but let's go back out to the audience. 1439 01:18:50.039 --> 01:18:53.279 Well, much like you said, the nurse who could be 1440 01:18:53.920 --> 01:18:57.079 could have good intentions or poor intentions, but she appears 1441 01:18:57.119 --> 01:19:01.239 to have good intentions. Let's pretend that I want you 1442 01:19:01.319 --> 01:19:05.279 to pick your favorite God dilemma, and let's pretend that 1443 01:19:05.439 --> 01:19:08.159 God tells you you're wrong about me. 1444 01:19:08.319 --> 01:19:09.319 You've got it all wrong. 1445 01:19:10.039 --> 01:19:10.960 I did the right thing. 1446 01:19:11.159 --> 01:19:13.600 You think God was im moral? You did the right thing. 1447 01:19:14.239 --> 01:19:18.079 What evidence would you require from the God in order 1448 01:19:18.199 --> 01:19:22.880 to support him saying that he was actually moral in 1449 01:19:23.000 --> 01:19:25.359 the instance that we he appears to be immral. 1450 01:19:26.159 --> 01:19:28.239 I think it would actually take me like I would 1451 01:19:28.319 --> 01:19:30.800 have to take some time to think about that. But 1452 01:19:30.920 --> 01:19:35.359 I think I've studied a lot of the dilemmas, you 1453 01:19:35.439 --> 01:19:38.359 know pretty much that I don't see any evidence of 1454 01:19:38.479 --> 01:19:40.560 actually being a morals Like if we look at the 1455 01:19:40.920 --> 01:19:47.119 David one, where the God basically plays a Livio pope 1456 01:19:47.159 --> 01:19:51.159 for David and fixes the situation. I can't see in 1457 01:19:51.439 --> 01:19:58.520 any situation, in any instance, why, you know, I don't 1458 01:19:58.560 --> 01:20:00.520 see anything that would make me go, oh, okay, I 1459 01:20:00.600 --> 01:20:03.399 see why he told Nathan not to hold a trial 1460 01:20:03.520 --> 01:20:06.279 and put the king on trial and get the witnesses. 1461 01:20:08.239 --> 01:20:12.199 If had he held a trial, what large, what big 1462 01:20:14.600 --> 01:20:18.279 a worser event could have happened? And why did David 1463 01:20:18.319 --> 01:20:22.119 need to live? Like I don't, I don't know. I've 1464 01:20:22.199 --> 01:20:26.239 studied it enough to Yeah, I don't know. 1465 01:20:27.640 --> 01:20:29.399 Yeah, I think that the ones that I would have 1466 01:20:29.600 --> 01:20:33.119 trouble with on this one would be ones that are 1467 01:20:33.159 --> 01:20:36.359 pretty much beyond the pale, Like I guess it would 1468 01:20:36.439 --> 01:20:39.960 take an incredible amount of evidence to show that it 1469 01:20:41.039 --> 01:20:46.279 is actually benefiting mankind, like number thirty one eighteen. I 1470 01:20:46.680 --> 01:20:50.880 can't imagine the reason why slaughtering an entire group of people, 1471 01:20:51.199 --> 01:20:56.199 but taking the young girls as plunders to be forced 1472 01:20:56.239 --> 01:21:01.600 into sexual slavery. I don't foresee any kind of context 1473 01:21:01.880 --> 01:21:07.279 at all in which a better plan couldn't have been derived, Like, 1474 01:21:07.800 --> 01:21:10.800 you can come up with better solutions for that that 1475 01:21:10.920 --> 01:21:15.760 are more humane, more humanistic, and actually care about people 1476 01:21:15.920 --> 01:21:20.279 in that situation. I mean, mainly, don't kill everybody. I 1477 01:21:20.439 --> 01:21:22.680 feel like that would be the case, but you would 1478 01:21:22.760 --> 01:21:26.279 have to show how, like oh, yeah, they totally you know, 1479 01:21:26.560 --> 01:21:29.600 needed to die for one reason or another. It would 1480 01:21:29.600 --> 01:21:31.680 just have to be a really really good reason that 1481 01:21:32.319 --> 01:21:35.800 I guess. I feel like it is nigh insurmountable. 1482 01:21:36.840 --> 01:21:40.000 I think, like I've actually thought about these things. And 1483 01:21:40.720 --> 01:21:41.079 when I. 1484 01:21:43.079 --> 01:21:47.520 Talk about the fact that if he's all powerful, then 1485 01:21:47.600 --> 01:21:51.720 he shouldn't have to do anything and moral to get 1486 01:21:52.119 --> 01:21:56.119 his what he wants done. Right, if we think about 1487 01:21:56.520 --> 01:21:59.640 the many conversations that we have with believers who say, well, 1488 01:21:59.720 --> 01:22:02.960 God had to lie, he had to send lying spirits 1489 01:22:03.000 --> 01:22:09.399 because he needed to get Ahab up to Mount Yeah, 1490 01:22:09.439 --> 01:22:10.239 so he could kill him. 1491 01:22:10.279 --> 01:22:12.720 So he just he didn't actually lie. 1492 01:22:12.920 --> 01:22:15.680 He gave the spirits permission because that was a part 1493 01:22:15.720 --> 01:22:18.279 of the plan to get a have to do whatever. Well, 1494 01:22:18.319 --> 01:22:21.720 if he has to demoralize himself, because if lying's against 1495 01:22:21.760 --> 01:22:25.399 his nature, and he has to give permission to something 1496 01:22:25.439 --> 01:22:29.039 that's against his nature in order for a thing to happen. 1497 01:22:29.119 --> 01:22:31.479 That he's not all powerful, right, And that's the lie 1498 01:22:31.520 --> 01:22:33.920 that you're telling yourself. And so I've thought about it 1499 01:22:34.399 --> 01:22:38.239 from that way as well. And then this divine command 1500 01:22:38.319 --> 01:22:41.800 theory and God is sovereign and he created us, therefore 1501 01:22:41.880 --> 01:22:46.319 he can take our lives. Well, then if you believe 1502 01:22:46.399 --> 01:22:49.399 that he gave you life and he's the reason that 1503 01:22:49.479 --> 01:22:51.680 you wake up every morning, then you're thanking him for that. 1504 01:22:52.159 --> 01:22:56.159 Then what all powerful, sovereign God needs. 1505 01:22:56.039 --> 01:22:58.840 To wake up a group of humans and then send 1506 01:22:59.159 --> 01:23:02.359 another group of humans and to that land to kill 1507 01:23:02.439 --> 01:23:04.239 him because he doesn't want them on the earth anymore. 1508 01:23:04.359 --> 01:23:07.800 That's illogical to me. And they're like, there's no. 1509 01:23:09.439 --> 01:23:12.319 Amount of evidence that would make me go, oh, that's 1510 01:23:12.399 --> 01:23:14.600 why he that's why he didn't even wake the MP 1511 01:23:14.800 --> 01:23:19.399 like he literally put that story puts the power of 1512 01:23:19.520 --> 01:23:22.000 life and death in the hands of a mortal while 1513 01:23:22.039 --> 01:23:24.239 at the same time there's mortal supposed to see themselves 1514 01:23:24.239 --> 01:23:28.159 as less than the God. Right, So it doesn't it 1515 01:23:28.359 --> 01:23:30.800 just I've studied these things so much, I've asked so 1516 01:23:30.960 --> 01:23:31.680 many questions. 1517 01:23:33.319 --> 01:23:35.119 I just don't see any other. 1518 01:23:38.000 --> 01:23:42.600 Yeah, so we've got somebody from TikTok. But lines are 1519 01:23:42.640 --> 01:23:45.359 still open over there for you to call in. The 1520 01:23:45.479 --> 01:23:47.720 number is five one two nine nine two four to two. 1521 01:23:47.760 --> 01:23:50.680 If you think that you can defend God from his immoral, 1522 01:23:51.479 --> 01:23:54.600 really shitty attitude towards human beings, then please do call in. 1523 01:23:54.760 --> 01:23:56.720 We would love to hear from you and try to 1524 01:23:56.920 --> 01:23:59.640 defend him. But over here on the TikTok side, we 1525 01:23:59.800 --> 01:24:03.880 do have Melmann medic that wants to request up and 1526 01:24:04.079 --> 01:24:05.680 let's see if they can connect. 1527 01:24:06.520 --> 01:24:08.920 She might be a friendly, that's one of. 1528 01:24:08.920 --> 01:24:12.119 The Let's see if they can connect. 1529 01:24:13.000 --> 01:24:15.640 It might be a friendly, that's one of them. 1530 01:24:16.159 --> 01:24:18.279 I'm getting crap. I'm getting feedback. 1531 01:24:20.720 --> 01:24:21.199 I can't. 1532 01:24:23.479 --> 01:24:30.119 Uh there we go. Oh nope, still getting feedback. 1533 01:24:30.399 --> 01:24:32.439 I can't drop our or meter. I don't know why. 1534 01:24:35.720 --> 01:24:37.520 I think they're working it out on the other end. 1535 01:24:38.720 --> 01:24:39.039 Let go. 1536 01:24:41.760 --> 01:24:43.239 Somebody said in the chat. 1537 01:24:43.039 --> 01:24:48.000 There, Uh, I'm not sure if she knew she was 1538 01:24:48.079 --> 01:24:48.560 up there yet. 1539 01:24:49.119 --> 01:24:53.439 Yeah, okay, Well, uh so we actually don't have anybody 1540 01:24:53.479 --> 01:24:54.960 on TikTok but my bad. 1541 01:24:55.239 --> 01:24:58.279 Uh uh. 1542 01:24:58.560 --> 01:25:01.319 But as far as uh, you know, I guess the 1543 01:25:01.439 --> 01:25:03.840 morality of God goes. I mean, we have been talking 1544 01:25:03.880 --> 01:25:06.800 about a lot of different topics today as far as 1545 01:25:06.880 --> 01:25:11.840 the morality of God goes. And uh, I'm wondering, do 1546 01:25:11.880 --> 01:25:16.000 you do you find that whenever you confront Christians on 1547 01:25:16.119 --> 01:25:19.279 your lives with the morality of God, What's what's a 1548 01:25:19.399 --> 01:25:22.439 common answer that they give to like the more horrible 1549 01:25:22.520 --> 01:25:24.680 things that you know, you confront. 1550 01:25:24.319 --> 01:25:31.760 Them with, like sovereign, You can't question God? Like who 1551 01:25:31.840 --> 01:25:34.800 are you too? To say that God is for all? 1552 01:25:35.319 --> 01:25:38.279 It's just it's usually the divine and command theory. God 1553 01:25:38.399 --> 01:25:38.920 is sovereign. 1554 01:25:40.279 --> 01:25:44.319 Especially when we talk about David. This might be white 1555 01:25:44.319 --> 01:25:45.920 people don't like talking to my ass, but. 1556 01:25:46.039 --> 01:25:52.520 Like today that it was in God. 1557 01:25:52.680 --> 01:25:56.279 David had a bigger plan and that's why the God 1558 01:25:56.359 --> 01:26:00.199 did not require David to be held liable for coting 1559 01:26:00.199 --> 01:26:03.039 adultrait and murder according to the law, So David had 1560 01:26:03.079 --> 01:26:06.319 to live so that Solomon could be born. And I said, oh, 1561 01:26:06.520 --> 01:26:08.920 I said, so you're telling me that your God orchestrated 1562 01:26:09.000 --> 01:26:09.760 David sin. 1563 01:26:10.199 --> 01:26:14.199 Like your God influenced David. 1564 01:26:14.000 --> 01:26:17.840 To commit adultery and commit dartists murder so that he 1565 01:26:17.920 --> 01:26:20.600 could marry Bethshiva, so that he could have Solomon and 1566 01:26:20.720 --> 01:26:23.359 she said, I guess that's what that's I guess that's 1567 01:26:23.399 --> 01:26:25.159 what it is. I said, No, that's exactly what you 1568 01:26:25.279 --> 01:26:27.319 just said. It is like it was all in your 1569 01:26:27.399 --> 01:26:29.640 God's plan for David to commit murder and blah blah blah. 1570 01:26:29.960 --> 01:26:33.279 And so yeah, I think that's why they don't like 1571 01:26:33.359 --> 01:26:35.680 talking to my ask but allowed to go talments of it. 1572 01:26:36.279 --> 01:26:39.640 But yeah, I mean it's hard when you put them 1573 01:26:39.680 --> 01:26:43.000 down into a situation where they don't have an answer, 1574 01:26:43.279 --> 01:26:45.319 because what I've noticed is that a lot of Christians 1575 01:26:45.359 --> 01:26:47.560 out there, they don't like not having the answer. That's 1576 01:26:47.600 --> 01:26:50.119 why it's easy to just punt it to you know, 1577 01:26:50.239 --> 01:26:53.039 well God said this, God said that kind of thing, 1578 01:26:53.319 --> 01:26:56.159 and when they don't have an answer, it really makes 1579 01:26:56.159 --> 01:26:56.880 them uncomfortable. 1580 01:26:56.920 --> 01:26:59.279 I think the problem is that they do positive answers 1581 01:26:59.439 --> 01:27:01.600 and then they expect that answer to be it. But 1582 01:27:01.720 --> 01:27:04.439 then when you when you say, okay, so this is 1583 01:27:04.880 --> 01:27:07.760 you're saying, this is what happened. Okay, let's look at 1584 01:27:07.840 --> 01:27:11.279 that and analyze that claim. And that's what they're not expecting, right, 1585 01:27:11.359 --> 01:27:15.319 that's for that answer to be taken and investigated further, 1586 01:27:16.479 --> 01:27:20.439 saying that, oh, the reason God didn't require the law 1587 01:27:20.520 --> 01:27:23.760 to be followed was because Solomon had to be born. 1588 01:27:24.319 --> 01:27:28.119 They're not thinking about the intelment of that claim of 1589 01:27:28.239 --> 01:27:31.079 that being the answer right to say that, you're if 1590 01:27:31.119 --> 01:27:33.319 it had to be Solomon needed to be born, then 1591 01:27:33.359 --> 01:27:34.960 your God orchestrated all the sudden. 1592 01:27:35.640 --> 01:27:37.119 In the beginning, it was a part of its claim. 1593 01:27:38.000 --> 01:27:43.159 Yeah, well, so, uh, we don't have any car or well, 1594 01:27:43.199 --> 01:27:47.079 we got one that's screening in, I believe, so we 1595 01:27:47.279 --> 01:27:49.720 we're gonna have a call here in just a second. 1596 01:27:50.399 --> 01:27:53.359 Uh while that is screening in, we do have some 1597 01:27:53.479 --> 01:27:57.399 super chats to cover. We've got the first super chant here. 1598 01:27:57.600 --> 01:28:00.279 Sorry for springing this on the the crew. On the 1599 01:28:00.319 --> 01:28:04.560 back end there, we've got a slow TDI for nine 1600 01:28:04.680 --> 01:28:08.800 ninety nine that says what you're experiencing, thinker is exactly 1601 01:28:09.039 --> 01:28:12.960 one of the reasons I moved from Clarksville, Tennessee, to 1602 01:28:13.439 --> 01:28:16.640 out to Utah. I was tired of breathing my water 1603 01:28:16.960 --> 01:28:20.640 and would rather be in Iraq literally than in Tennessee. 1604 01:28:21.880 --> 01:28:24.279 What did he talk about, Oh, he's talking about weather, 1605 01:28:24.600 --> 01:28:29.039 so like how hot it is, you know in in Tennessee. 1606 01:28:29.119 --> 01:28:32.319 I guess the you know how the humidity and all 1607 01:28:32.359 --> 01:28:35.640 that kind of stuff with how how hot and difficult. 1608 01:28:35.680 --> 01:28:42.600 It can be out there. See, we do have somebody 1609 01:28:42.680 --> 01:28:45.720 that's get uh there we go. They just popped up 1610 01:28:45.720 --> 01:28:50.119 into the host queue. We've got uh Tariq calling in. 1611 01:28:51.520 --> 01:28:54.199 Trek is a theist? What's up there, Terik? How you doing? 1612 01:28:56.000 --> 01:29:03.800 I'm all right yourself doing good there, buddy. Uh So 1613 01:29:03.880 --> 01:29:05.119 what do you want to talk about today? 1614 01:29:07.560 --> 01:29:09.960 I don't think God is immoral. I think that he 1615 01:29:10.079 --> 01:29:12.319 has to make the tough choices that lead to the 1616 01:29:12.439 --> 01:29:13.199 ultimate good. 1617 01:29:13.720 --> 01:29:19.319 Okay, what tough choices? I think you're you're shaking your 1618 01:29:19.359 --> 01:29:19.720 head there. 1619 01:29:20.760 --> 01:29:25.640 I've talked to I've talked to k a thousand times. 1620 01:29:26.199 --> 01:29:30.159 Okay, so he's he's he's not working with us, he's 1621 01:29:30.239 --> 01:29:30.720 he's legit. 1622 01:29:39.079 --> 01:29:39.359 Again. 1623 01:29:39.520 --> 01:29:47.319 I am not in on the joke, uh Treek? Okay, 1624 01:29:47.520 --> 01:29:50.159 So why do you think that your God is doing 1625 01:29:50.279 --> 01:29:51.359 things because he has to? 1626 01:29:54.079 --> 01:29:56.720 Uh? Well, let me do with because like you never 1627 01:29:56.800 --> 01:29:58.079 heard of the butterfly effect? 1628 01:29:58.680 --> 01:30:00.399 Oh you mean like with asking picture? 1629 01:30:02.119 --> 01:30:02.279 Right? 1630 01:30:03.279 --> 01:30:06.079 Yeah, I've seen that movie. I mean you know it's 1631 01:30:06.119 --> 01:30:08.319 all right, I mean it can be a little confusing 1632 01:30:08.359 --> 01:30:10.520 at times. Have you seen the alternate ending where you 1633 01:30:10.680 --> 01:30:13.039 like basically strangles himself in the womb like that's kind 1634 01:30:13.079 --> 01:30:13.600 of fucked. 1635 01:30:13.439 --> 01:30:16.399 Up, right, I've actually never seen the film. 1636 01:30:17.119 --> 01:30:18.319 Oh shit, why'd you bring it up? 1637 01:30:19.840 --> 01:30:23.079 Well, it's because it's the same premise. Oh, there's a 1638 01:30:23.199 --> 01:30:26.760 premise if you try to if you try to change 1639 01:30:26.840 --> 01:30:31.279 things to avoid certain outcomes, and things might be worse. 1640 01:30:31.960 --> 01:30:33.600 So I think you have to get rid of the 1641 01:30:33.680 --> 01:30:37.159 Amalekites for a better world. Yes, otherwise things might have 1642 01:30:37.239 --> 01:30:37.640 been worse. 1643 01:30:38.159 --> 01:30:44.560 Well, so Treik, God would know everything, right, correct, Okay, So, 1644 01:30:44.840 --> 01:30:49.560 like I get that you're trying to liken slaughtering entire 1645 01:30:49.600 --> 01:30:53.359 groups of people to a butterfly wing causing a hurricane 1646 01:30:53.439 --> 01:30:55.439 or a tornado or a cyclone or something like that. 1647 01:30:55.720 --> 01:30:58.720 I mean, that's a little bit reductive in my opinion. 1648 01:30:58.840 --> 01:31:04.039 But do you with God knowing everything, don't you think 1649 01:31:04.159 --> 01:31:06.560 that maybe God could figure out a way to like 1650 01:31:06.840 --> 01:31:10.560 affect whatever he wanted to without, you know, needlessly slaughtering people. 1651 01:31:14.279 --> 01:31:20.720 Mm hmm. I think that God has set up the 1652 01:31:20.800 --> 01:31:25.479 system and works within it to generate the outcomes that 1653 01:31:25.600 --> 01:31:26.600 are desired. 1654 01:31:26.960 --> 01:31:30.680 Who desired, and who's desired outcome his. 1655 01:31:32.319 --> 01:31:32.800 Exactly. 1656 01:31:33.199 --> 01:31:36.039 Yeah, I mean couldn't he I mean, couldn't he figure 1657 01:31:36.079 --> 01:31:39.239 out a way to get his desired outcome without having 1658 01:31:39.279 --> 01:31:40.840 to like, you know, slaughter an infant. 1659 01:31:43.560 --> 01:31:46.079 You know, that's a question that I wrestled with for 1660 01:31:46.279 --> 01:31:48.239 years and ultimately the answer is. 1661 01:31:48.560 --> 01:31:51.199 Hold Onterri, hold on. What a second thinker, have you 1662 01:31:51.319 --> 01:31:53.279 had to wrestle with the idea of whether or not 1663 01:31:53.359 --> 01:31:54.680 you should slaughter an infant? 1664 01:31:55.000 --> 01:31:55.039 No? 1665 01:31:55.760 --> 01:31:58.800 No, okay, So it seems like you don't really have 1666 01:31:58.960 --> 01:32:01.199 to wrestle with it. Why did you have to wrestle 1667 01:32:01.279 --> 01:32:03.439 with whether or not stabbing a baby's friend? 1668 01:32:03.880 --> 01:32:09.079 So did you do you wrestle? Do you think that 1669 01:32:09.399 --> 01:32:10.840 abortion isn't more? 1670 01:32:12.319 --> 01:32:12.880 Absolutely? 1671 01:32:13.199 --> 01:32:15.479 But you got to wrestle with the idea of whether 1672 01:32:15.640 --> 01:32:19.760 or not as okay to slaughter and if it, well. 1673 01:32:19.880 --> 01:32:23.520 You see it's different because one is ordained by God 1674 01:32:23.680 --> 01:32:25.640 and the other it's just malice. 1675 01:32:26.760 --> 01:32:29.520 Well hold on for human life, well hold on. So 1676 01:32:29.760 --> 01:32:33.600 like when God, God ordained a type of abortion, and 1677 01:32:34.079 --> 01:32:37.000 I believe numbers right, Like, I mean, if if a 1678 01:32:37.039 --> 01:32:39.600 wife cheats, then you can force her to have an abortion, right, 1679 01:32:39.680 --> 01:32:40.479 that's fine. 1680 01:32:42.760 --> 01:32:44.039 Right, as long as it's ordained. 1681 01:32:44.520 --> 01:32:47.279 Okay, So I means as long as the wife cheats, 1682 01:32:47.640 --> 01:32:50.680 there you go. You can abort, right, that's fine. 1683 01:32:50.880 --> 01:32:53.640 But you see the reason for that I'm sorry, you 1684 01:32:53.680 --> 01:32:54.279 can go ahead. 1685 01:32:54.680 --> 01:32:58.640 Well, yeah, I mean it just seems a bit uneven 1686 01:32:58.800 --> 01:33:01.399 to me that it seems like if God were to 1687 01:33:01.479 --> 01:33:03.800 appear to you right now, like Jesus right in the 1688 01:33:03.840 --> 01:33:07.399 middle of your living room or maybe your basement sorry 1689 01:33:07.479 --> 01:33:12.039 parents' basement. Sorry, I had to correct myself. It appeared 1690 01:33:12.039 --> 01:33:13.800 to you right now and was like, hey, I need 1691 01:33:13.880 --> 01:33:15.479 you to go next door and stab a baby in 1692 01:33:15.560 --> 01:33:18.960 the face. You think that that would be morally better 1693 01:33:19.479 --> 01:33:22.560 than allowing a woman to have bodily autonomy? 1694 01:33:22.640 --> 01:33:22.800 Is that? 1695 01:33:23.119 --> 01:33:25.039 Am I imagine? Am tracking that right? 1696 01:33:27.359 --> 01:33:32.720 You're kind of there essentially without the go ahead of 1697 01:33:32.840 --> 01:33:37.000 the preordanization of the act of God, I would not 1698 01:33:37.119 --> 01:33:39.680 take that action. But seeing as how he would be 1699 01:33:39.720 --> 01:33:42.319 coming to me directly and let you know that, I 1700 01:33:42.319 --> 01:33:43.119 would have to move. 1701 01:33:43.720 --> 01:33:46.239 You would have to move What do you mean move, 1702 01:33:46.479 --> 01:33:48.920 like you'd have to move to go and stab the baby, 1703 01:33:49.239 --> 01:33:51.399 or like you would have to move as in like 1704 01:33:51.520 --> 01:33:52.960 I've got to get out of here. It's hauntin. 1705 01:33:55.880 --> 01:33:59.680 I mean, in the interest of you know, serving the Lord. 1706 01:34:00.039 --> 01:34:06.640 Would obviously try to figure out why that would be 1707 01:34:06.880 --> 01:34:07.520 asked of me. 1708 01:34:08.439 --> 01:34:11.720 Maybe it would be a well TOI hold on, you 1709 01:34:11.840 --> 01:34:14.399 got lean not on your own understanding, but trust in 1710 01:34:14.479 --> 01:34:17.840 the Lord, buddy, absolutely. 1711 01:34:17.439 --> 01:34:19.399 And I would trust that he would tell me his reasoning. 1712 01:34:20.960 --> 01:34:22.439 It might turn out to be a. 1713 01:34:24.479 --> 01:34:27.239 Hold on you just said, I would have to figure 1714 01:34:27.279 --> 01:34:29.439 out why he was telling it to me. And then 1715 01:34:29.520 --> 01:34:32.399 I quoted you scripture directly from the Lord saying, hey, 1716 01:34:32.560 --> 01:34:35.760 don't think about it, just do it, Bud, And you're like, 1717 01:34:36.960 --> 01:34:38.840 and then you're just kind of rolling with that, Like 1718 01:34:38.960 --> 01:34:40.800 I feel like you're at odds with yourself here. 1719 01:34:45.600 --> 01:34:52.319 So it's like this. Sometimes God asks people to do 1720 01:34:52.520 --> 01:34:57.079 things much like Abraham, right, you know, go and slaughter 1721 01:34:57.199 --> 01:34:59.600 your child, But it turns out it was just a 1722 01:34:59.680 --> 01:35:03.119 test faith. So, like I was saying, I would try 1723 01:35:03.239 --> 01:35:05.960 to see if maybe it was one of those situations 1724 01:35:06.000 --> 01:35:07.960 where he wanted to see if he could trust me 1725 01:35:08.039 --> 01:35:08.680 with much more. 1726 01:35:09.840 --> 01:35:15.199 So you were expecting to be like Abraham, Well, yes, 1727 01:35:15.920 --> 01:35:17.960 why do y'all always do that? Like why do y'all think? 1728 01:35:18.119 --> 01:35:20.720 Why do y'all always think that the story is going 1729 01:35:20.800 --> 01:35:23.720 to end for you the way it end for the 1730 01:35:23.800 --> 01:35:26.600 characters in this book, Like are y'all watched are y'all 1731 01:35:26.680 --> 01:35:30.600 reading this book as like a comic book, And you're 1732 01:35:30.680 --> 01:35:34.560 like picturing yourself like in the story, and you're like. 1733 01:35:34.680 --> 01:35:36.560 I'm Abraham, that's my character. 1734 01:35:36.479 --> 01:35:38.840 Like why why why do you always that you're gonna 1735 01:35:38.840 --> 01:35:40.399 get the same outcome as a character in the. 1736 01:35:40.399 --> 01:35:41.760 Book main character syndrome. 1737 01:35:41.960 --> 01:35:48.199 Yeah, well, honestly, I think that you could actually sum 1738 01:35:48.319 --> 01:35:51.439 that up with the phrase there's nothing new under the song. 1739 01:35:52.000 --> 01:35:56.960 Obviously there are different archetypes out there that are you know, 1740 01:35:57.760 --> 01:35:59.039 any filial slots And. 1741 01:35:59.159 --> 01:36:01.680 What if he doesn't what if he does not stop 1742 01:36:01.760 --> 01:36:06.000 you the way he stopped Abraham and Deuteronomy thirteen, He 1743 01:36:06.199 --> 01:36:10.800 says that you must be willing to Actually, we're gonna, 1744 01:36:10.920 --> 01:36:14.239 we're gonna, we're gonna tie Jesus in on this, Okay, 1745 01:36:14.640 --> 01:36:15.159 So and. 1746 01:36:16.840 --> 01:36:17.399 I'm sure you do. 1747 01:36:18.159 --> 01:36:24.119 I'm sure you do, Matthew, Sorry, Mark fourteen twenty six. 1748 01:36:24.439 --> 01:36:27.600 Jesus says, in order to be my disciple, you must 1749 01:36:28.159 --> 01:36:31.520 hate your mom, your dad, your husband, your wife, your sister, 1750 01:36:31.600 --> 01:36:34.960 your brother, and even your own life. Right, you're familiar 1751 01:36:35.000 --> 01:36:41.640 with that smug absolutely? Are you familiar with the descripture 1752 01:36:41.640 --> 01:36:44.000 where when Jesus was yahweh Joseph. 1753 01:36:44.399 --> 01:36:46.720 He says that you must. 1754 01:36:47.960 --> 01:36:51.479 If your your brother, your your son, your daughter, your husband, 1755 01:36:51.520 --> 01:36:54.239 your wife, or even your best friend tries to get 1756 01:36:54.319 --> 01:36:55.319 you to worship another. 1757 01:36:55.159 --> 01:36:56.159 God, you have to kill him. 1758 01:36:58.760 --> 01:37:01.760 I've heard you. You turn people speak on nuts, cartrios. 1759 01:37:02.199 --> 01:37:03.199 You've heard it, right. 1760 01:37:03.560 --> 01:37:07.399 So what if he doesn't stop you like he did Abraham? 1761 01:37:07.680 --> 01:37:08.960 What if he follows through with that? 1762 01:37:09.039 --> 01:37:11.880 Would you do it? What if he says, hey, in 1763 01:37:12.039 --> 01:37:14.640 order to be my disciple, you have to hate. 1764 01:37:14.399 --> 01:37:17.079 Your mom, your brother, your sister, your brother, and even 1765 01:37:17.159 --> 01:37:19.880 your own life enough to follow my laws and do 1766 01:37:19.960 --> 01:37:20.800 Toteronomy thirteen. 1767 01:37:21.920 --> 01:37:27.199 I mean it would be tough, but you know he 1768 01:37:27.359 --> 01:37:28.680 works in mysterious ways. 1769 01:37:29.199 --> 01:37:33.039 It could be that she Oh, you're fucking with me, now, you. 1770 01:37:34.680 --> 01:37:34.960 Got it? 1771 01:37:35.159 --> 01:37:38.600 First of all, Okay, here's red flag number one, voice changer, 1772 01:37:38.800 --> 01:37:42.079 red flag number two. You're saying all of the things 1773 01:37:42.119 --> 01:37:45.920 that we've been talking about this entire time, unronically supposedly 1774 01:37:46.520 --> 01:37:49.800 number three, you're having to wrestle with the idea of 1775 01:37:49.960 --> 01:37:53.199 stabbing babies in the face or killing anybody. Really, I 1776 01:37:53.279 --> 01:37:55.520 mean that seems to be like something you shouldn't have 1777 01:37:55.640 --> 01:37:59.159 to like wrestle with right now, So like, what is it? 1778 01:37:59.319 --> 01:37:59.880 Are you using? 1779 01:38:00.000 --> 01:38:00.279 Hold on? 1780 01:38:00.600 --> 01:38:02.840 Ter hold on? Are you using a voice changer? Because 1781 01:38:02.880 --> 01:38:07.119 you're so embarrassed about the horrible argumentation you're giving for 1782 01:38:07.239 --> 01:38:09.600 your God, or like, are you using it because you're 1783 01:38:09.720 --> 01:38:12.439 just scared of being recognized by friends and family? 1784 01:38:14.399 --> 01:38:16.520 Fortunately, this is my authentic voice. 1785 01:38:17.279 --> 01:38:22.560 Bullshit, No, this is this is obviously a voice changer. 1786 01:38:22.760 --> 01:38:24.960 I could have sworn I heard a second ago. Go 1787 01:38:25.079 --> 01:38:28.159 on the fritz for a second. Oh really, I thought, so, 1788 01:38:28.399 --> 01:38:32.239 I don't know, maybe I'm wrong anyways, tery yeah, so God, 1789 01:38:32.439 --> 01:38:36.119 God works in God, God works in mysterious ways, and 1790 01:38:36.199 --> 01:38:38.760 therefore stab babies in the face. Like, I don't know, 1791 01:38:38.920 --> 01:38:41.319 I feel like that's kind of like I mean. 1792 01:38:41.279 --> 01:38:46.479 That, well, if I could elaborate a little bit, maybe 1793 01:38:46.560 --> 01:38:49.720 it's so that God wants me to commit that act 1794 01:38:49.840 --> 01:38:56.000 and show me your world wherein that act produces, you know, 1795 01:38:56.159 --> 01:38:59.279 some kind of negative net overall in the world. And 1796 01:38:59.319 --> 01:39:02.000 then he takes you back to the time before, and it. 1797 01:39:02.199 --> 01:39:04.319 Takes you back to the time before. What what the 1798 01:39:04.399 --> 01:39:04.960 fuck is this? 1799 01:39:05.199 --> 01:39:11.359 Like the time the act was committed. He has mysterious ways. 1800 01:39:11.439 --> 01:39:14.560 I cannot tell what he would do when asking me 1801 01:39:14.640 --> 01:39:16.920 to do such a thing. I mean, obviously he knows 1802 01:39:17.000 --> 01:39:20.600 the way of such a decision, and obviously he provide 1803 01:39:20.600 --> 01:39:22.479 a way out for me, seeing as how it was 1804 01:39:22.560 --> 01:39:23.319 at his best. 1805 01:39:23.680 --> 01:39:27.039 So can you imagine Tarique here standing in front of 1806 01:39:27.079 --> 01:39:28.800 the judge and the judge is like, well, why the 1807 01:39:28.840 --> 01:39:30.640 fuck did you stand up baby in the face, and 1808 01:39:30.720 --> 01:39:33.159 He's like, I thought God was going to stop me. 1809 01:39:37.439 --> 01:39:40.920 You're still going to go to jail. Well, like Jesus Joseph, 1810 01:39:40.960 --> 01:39:42.199 it's not going to be able to get. 1811 01:39:42.079 --> 01:39:42.560 You out of that. 1812 01:39:42.680 --> 01:39:44.399 Like, you are still going to go to jail. 1813 01:39:44.720 --> 01:39:46.199 I thought I was going to go back into the 1814 01:39:46.239 --> 01:39:47.560 past and it was just going to be a big 1815 01:39:47.600 --> 01:39:52.479 old fancy Wait. God was going to do a big 1816 01:39:52.560 --> 01:39:54.520 rewind and do undo it all, and he's going to 1817 01:39:54.560 --> 01:39:56.800 be like, aha, askton. Picture was going to come out 1818 01:39:56.840 --> 01:39:58.319 and be like, you're butterfly punked? 1819 01:40:00.960 --> 01:40:04.399 Can I ask you a question? Sure? I'll take that 1820 01:40:04.520 --> 01:40:10.199 for yes. So do you conceive that I believe that 1821 01:40:10.319 --> 01:40:13.000 God is more intelligent than any of us? 1822 01:40:13.720 --> 01:40:14.840 I think you think that. 1823 01:40:15.039 --> 01:40:19.880 Sure, that's exactly what I asked. Correct, So in that 1824 01:40:20.640 --> 01:40:23.000 when he's asking me to do something and I have 1825 01:40:23.159 --> 01:40:25.600 no idea what's on the other side of that. Am 1826 01:40:25.640 --> 01:40:28.880 I not fair to assume that he's already threed all 1827 01:40:28.920 --> 01:40:31.800 of that and has a solution for me waiting on 1828 01:40:31.840 --> 01:40:32.439 the other side. 1829 01:40:32.560 --> 01:40:37.000 Well, no, so I haven't questioned like that particular aspect 1830 01:40:37.079 --> 01:40:38.560 of it, which I mean, I think that you should 1831 01:40:38.560 --> 01:40:41.119 be questioning that aspect of it. My question to you 1832 01:40:41.560 --> 01:40:44.560 specifically at the very beginning of this was why are 1833 01:40:44.640 --> 01:40:47.560 you having to sit there and mull it over? Because 1834 01:40:47.600 --> 01:40:50.520 you because when you first answered, you were like, well, 1835 01:40:50.640 --> 01:40:52.720 I'd have to really think about it and everything like that. 1836 01:40:53.000 --> 01:40:56.159 And you know, of course I lobbied that very easy 1837 01:40:56.239 --> 01:40:58.199 scripture at you about how you shouldn't lean on your 1838 01:40:58.239 --> 01:41:00.880 own understanding, and then you see to change your tune, 1839 01:41:00.880 --> 01:41:02.640 so you just seem to be a bit all over 1840 01:41:02.680 --> 01:41:06.520 the place. My contention is that you even saying, oh, well, 1841 01:41:06.640 --> 01:41:08.760 I'd have to think about it, I'd have to, like 1842 01:41:09.520 --> 01:41:12.319 you know, I'd have to come to the conclusion or 1843 01:41:12.439 --> 01:41:15.079 think of a good reason as to why God would 1844 01:41:15.079 --> 01:41:18.680 be asking me this. I'm saying that the actual answer 1845 01:41:18.800 --> 01:41:21.479 that God would be expecting is blind obedience, and that 1846 01:41:21.640 --> 01:41:25.039 should make you question, well, I. 1847 01:41:25.159 --> 01:41:28.840 Think that it's testing the spirit with the spirit, and 1848 01:41:28.920 --> 01:41:30.920 they're moving ahead once it's confirmed. 1849 01:41:31.520 --> 01:41:34.279 Testing the spirit with the spirit. Is that like hitting 1850 01:41:34.279 --> 01:41:36.279 a motherfucker with another motherfucker, or. 1851 01:41:37.960 --> 01:41:41.000 I know, I would not say that it's using the 1852 01:41:41.439 --> 01:41:45.680 character and the abilities of God to determine whether something 1853 01:41:45.880 --> 01:41:46.880 is from God or not. 1854 01:41:47.680 --> 01:41:50.600 But who are you testing? If you're the only one? Like, 1855 01:41:50.760 --> 01:41:52.000 are you testing yourself? 1856 01:41:53.319 --> 01:41:54.479 Like you're the only one? 1857 01:41:55.600 --> 01:41:56.960 What the spirit is? 1858 01:41:57.079 --> 01:41:57.119 You? 1859 01:41:57.600 --> 01:41:57.640 Like? 1860 01:41:58.000 --> 01:42:01.319 Ain't nobody else there? Like it's just you saying God 1861 01:42:01.399 --> 01:42:02.680 say it? So who are you testing? 1862 01:42:10.479 --> 01:42:14.279 God's will is laid out in the Bible, and we 1863 01:42:14.399 --> 01:42:18.399 see that will come to fruition through various actions, some 1864 01:42:18.640 --> 01:42:22.439 you would deem as you know, moral, some less, but 1865 01:42:23.720 --> 01:42:26.800 all of it points to the reclamation of his people 1866 01:42:27.079 --> 01:42:32.680 from hell. So testing the spirit would be seeing if 1867 01:42:33.319 --> 01:42:39.079 the actions or words given would align with that ultimate 1868 01:42:39.119 --> 01:42:40.039 goal of reclamation. 1869 01:42:40.680 --> 01:42:41.960 And who decides that? 1870 01:42:42.760 --> 01:42:44.840 When you go to the scripture and you read it, 1871 01:42:45.000 --> 01:42:48.479 who decides whether or not it passes the test? 1872 01:42:50.079 --> 01:42:52.840 Right? Well? The Holy Spirit will stir up that answer 1873 01:42:52.920 --> 01:42:53.119 in me. 1874 01:42:53.359 --> 01:42:55.039 But who decides what the Holy Spirit says? 1875 01:42:57.039 --> 01:42:59.079 Well, that would be God, of course. 1876 01:42:59.359 --> 01:43:00.800 And who decides that what God says? 1877 01:43:03.359 --> 01:43:04.279 None other than himself. 1878 01:43:05.279 --> 01:43:08.319 Do you see the circle that the thinker just belt 1879 01:43:08.439 --> 01:43:11.079 right there? I mean it's she basically dog walked you 1880 01:43:11.279 --> 01:43:11.920 in a circle. 1881 01:43:13.439 --> 01:43:15.840 Well, it's only a circle because she forgot about Jesus, 1882 01:43:16.359 --> 01:43:18.600 who makes the strongest shape a triangle. 1883 01:43:19.319 --> 01:43:26.800 Said yeah, what okay, Well, hold on, I wanted to 1884 01:43:26.840 --> 01:43:29.560 bring up Deuteronomy six sixteen that says do not test 1885 01:43:29.600 --> 01:43:33.359 the Lord your God, and like, well, it says like 1886 01:43:33.439 --> 01:43:34.439 you did at Massa. 1887 01:43:34.920 --> 01:43:38.560 But I mean, oh, well, like I don't have a Massa, 1888 01:43:38.680 --> 01:43:39.279 so I can't do that. 1889 01:43:40.119 --> 01:43:42.159 It's Massa okay. 1890 01:43:44.199 --> 01:43:48.800 But so my question though, is is that you talk 1891 01:43:48.880 --> 01:43:50.640 about testing the spirit. 1892 01:43:53.960 --> 01:43:54.119 Right? 1893 01:43:54.640 --> 01:43:59.640 The spirit is God or part of God, right, okay? 1894 01:43:59.800 --> 01:44:02.880 So so God directly says don't test me, bro, but 1895 01:44:03.239 --> 01:44:06.439 then you're testing him, like it seems like he wouldn't 1896 01:44:06.520 --> 01:44:07.239 like being tested. 1897 01:44:09.319 --> 01:44:14.840 Well, unfortunately, this would not be a situation such Asthma saw. 1898 01:44:15.399 --> 01:44:20.039 This would be taking his word, applying his word to 1899 01:44:20.239 --> 01:44:23.399 his word, and seeing if it is in fact his word. 1900 01:44:24.239 --> 01:44:30.119 I find my mistaken the incident at Massaw something entirely different. 1901 01:44:30.119 --> 01:44:32.840 It's altogether Well, my point is that it says, don't 1902 01:44:32.880 --> 01:44:34.960 test me, and so like, I feel like you should 1903 01:44:35.000 --> 01:44:37.720 probably respect God's boundaries there with testing him. 1904 01:44:38.920 --> 01:44:40.760 I mean, but the Bible also does say test the 1905 01:44:40.800 --> 01:44:41.800 spirit with the spirits? 1906 01:44:42.199 --> 01:44:47.880 Where does it say that? Well, no, I know, you 1907 01:44:47.960 --> 01:44:51.359 mean the Bible. Buddy, what I'm asking for is book 1908 01:44:51.439 --> 01:44:53.760 chapter verse. If he can. I've got a Bible up 1909 01:44:53.840 --> 01:44:54.359 right in front of. 1910 01:44:54.359 --> 01:44:57.880 Me, absolutely, So what you want to do is you 1911 01:44:57.920 --> 01:44:59.600 want to go in your search bar of that Bible 1912 01:45:00.039 --> 01:45:02.680 and type in testing spirit and we should pop up 1913 01:45:02.720 --> 01:45:02.880 for you. 1914 01:45:03.720 --> 01:45:06.760 Yeah, I mean I did. I did do the testing 1915 01:45:06.880 --> 01:45:09.039 thing and it it brought me to the thing that said, hey, 1916 01:45:09.119 --> 01:45:10.319 don't test me, motherfucker. 1917 01:45:10.520 --> 01:45:10.840 And so. 1918 01:45:12.640 --> 01:45:14.399 I'm just wondering what am I supposed to be looking for? 1919 01:45:14.600 --> 01:45:17.000 Like I asked for book chapter verse and you're like, well, 1920 01:45:17.079 --> 01:45:21.279 could you do a Google search for me? What I've got? 1921 01:45:21.399 --> 01:45:24.000 I've got, So I've got Matthew four one, First John 1922 01:45:24.079 --> 01:45:27.560 four one, Mark fourteen thirty eight, Matthew twenty six forty one, 1923 01:45:28.920 --> 01:45:29.920 Like which one is it? 1924 01:45:31.119 --> 01:45:31.159 Like? 1925 01:45:31.319 --> 01:45:34.319 First John for one says trust every spirit, but put 1926 01:45:34.399 --> 01:45:36.560 the spirits to the testify. Oh, okay, here we go. 1927 01:45:36.760 --> 01:45:40.520 Maybe this is it? First Yeah, I found it for you, 1928 01:45:40.680 --> 01:45:42.279 Like did you not know about this? Did you just 1929 01:45:42.319 --> 01:45:44.680 take a pop shot at the Bible as like it'll 1930 01:45:44.720 --> 01:45:48.520 probably be in there. That's a that's a risky roulette. 1931 01:45:48.119 --> 01:45:50.800 Game there, buddy, accurately quoted. That makes sense. 1932 01:45:51.600 --> 01:45:55.600 Let's see Oh, it says, dear friends, don't trust every spirit, 1933 01:45:55.760 --> 01:45:58.239 but put the spirits to the test to find out 1934 01:45:58.319 --> 01:46:01.680 whether they're from God. For there are many false prophets 1935 01:46:01.720 --> 01:46:05.319 out there in the world. So my question now is 1936 01:46:05.600 --> 01:46:09.079 how do you discern between false prophets and true prophets? 1937 01:46:12.159 --> 01:46:13.960 If you have God in your answer, I'm going to 1938 01:46:14.039 --> 01:46:18.560 fucking lose it. If you say God, don't say God, 1939 01:46:19.560 --> 01:46:20.000 are you there? 1940 01:46:20.079 --> 01:46:24.560 It's okay, Yeah, I'm here. Are you ready for this answer? 1941 01:46:25.279 --> 01:46:29.680 Probably not? You're not ready. You have to use the Bible, 1942 01:46:30.399 --> 01:46:31.680 so God, thank you. 1943 01:46:32.479 --> 01:46:35.520 Yes, you have to get to know God in order 1944 01:46:35.600 --> 01:46:38.720 to know God. Wait, no idea, I get it. 1945 01:46:39.079 --> 01:46:41.079 No, you have to get Wait, you got to know 1946 01:46:41.239 --> 01:46:43.640 God before you can know God. Like, what the fuck 1947 01:46:43.760 --> 01:46:45.479 kind of sense does that make? I feel like that 1948 01:46:45.640 --> 01:46:46.920 violates you kind of law? 1949 01:46:48.199 --> 01:46:50.359 No, you have to get to know God before you 1950 01:46:50.479 --> 01:46:54.960 can know God. For instance, if I said I heard 1951 01:46:55.079 --> 01:47:00.479 thinkers say she hates short people. With a few knew her, 1952 01:47:01.239 --> 01:47:04.399 she probably wouldn't say that. Told me if you knew her. 1953 01:47:04.600 --> 01:47:07.560 Why are you casting some doubt on that question? Right there? Like, 1954 01:47:07.840 --> 01:47:10.359 she probably wouldn't hate short people. 1955 01:47:12.159 --> 01:47:13.039 She might. I don't know. 1956 01:47:13.760 --> 01:47:14.680 You must be short. 1957 01:47:16.399 --> 01:47:17.199 He is short, King. 1958 01:47:20.279 --> 01:47:24.079 But the difference, right with what you're saying, right, is 1959 01:47:24.239 --> 01:47:29.159 that John can hear my voice. John has hung out 1960 01:47:29.199 --> 01:47:35.039 with me, so he knows my personality, right. He has 1961 01:47:35.119 --> 01:47:40.000 watched my YouTube videos, my TikTok, and John can just say, hey, 1962 01:47:40.199 --> 01:47:41.079 did you say. 1963 01:47:42.600 --> 01:47:45.640 You hate short people. You can't do that with your God. 1964 01:47:49.359 --> 01:47:50.079 That's the difference. 1965 01:47:51.520 --> 01:47:52.920 I can't ask somebody. 1966 01:47:53.119 --> 01:47:53.560 You cannot. 1967 01:47:54.000 --> 01:47:55.880 You can ask him, but you can ask him. But 1968 01:47:55.920 --> 01:47:57.960 you're going to also answer it yourself. 1969 01:47:57.880 --> 01:48:00.840 Right, You won't actually get an answer or God. I 1970 01:48:00.920 --> 01:48:03.359 mean you'll you know, I'm sure you'll come up with 1971 01:48:03.479 --> 01:48:05.880 an answer that's yourself answering. 1972 01:48:05.560 --> 01:48:13.039 It for God. It sounds as though you've never had 1973 01:48:13.079 --> 01:48:14.960 an actual personal in counsel with God. 1974 01:48:15.039 --> 01:48:16.000 Am I Neither have you? 1975 01:48:18.199 --> 01:48:19.600 So you haven't correct. 1976 01:48:19.680 --> 01:48:22.199 No, I'm saying neither have you. Neither of us have 1977 01:48:22.319 --> 01:48:24.000 had a personal experience with God. 1978 01:48:26.640 --> 01:48:30.880 Interesting, Well, yeah, neither one of you probably has. The wise, 1979 01:48:30.920 --> 01:48:32.880 you probably be on the other side of the whole thing. 1980 01:48:33.640 --> 01:48:36.319 If you've had a personal experience with God. I would 1981 01:48:36.399 --> 01:48:37.920 suggest some kind of therapy. 1982 01:48:41.199 --> 01:48:43.359 Well, the betterments of my life. I don't at this time. 1983 01:48:43.880 --> 01:48:46.079 I mean, the thing is, though, like let's say you did. 1984 01:48:46.319 --> 01:48:47.319 I have an experience. 1985 01:48:47.439 --> 01:48:51.560 Nobody, no one else has access to this experience, Like 1986 01:48:52.520 --> 01:48:55.239 no one else heard or seen the same thing that 1987 01:48:55.319 --> 01:48:55.640 you did. 1988 01:48:56.119 --> 01:49:07.239 Right right, you are the decider of this, like, let me, 1989 01:49:07.359 --> 01:49:08.840 let me let me ask you. Let me ask you 1990 01:49:08.840 --> 01:49:10.159 a question. When you when you. 1991 01:49:10.279 --> 01:49:13.199 Pray and seek forgiveness from your gud, do you get 1992 01:49:13.199 --> 01:49:16.039 a confirmation that says you've been forgiven. 1993 01:49:17.920 --> 01:49:19.880 In a way. Yes, they're not all the same, but 1994 01:49:20.000 --> 01:49:21.680 I do get that same confirmation. 1995 01:49:21.840 --> 01:49:23.680 What's the confirmation that you get from heaven? 1996 01:49:25.560 --> 01:49:31.119 Sometimes it'll be uh, something small, like watching the flower 1997 01:49:31.239 --> 01:49:35.319 bloom and that gilt rushes away from me. Sometimes it 1998 01:49:35.359 --> 01:49:38.640 will be something big, and it'll be the person themselves 1999 01:49:38.720 --> 01:49:43.199 coming to me and forgiving me for the actions that 2000 01:49:43.439 --> 01:49:44.319 have done against them. 2001 01:49:44.520 --> 01:49:47.640 Hold on, are you seriously suggesting that? Like you see 2002 01:49:47.680 --> 01:49:51.119 a flower like bloom and you're like, oh, God has 2003 01:49:51.159 --> 01:49:54.000 forgiven me for that thing that I did. It was 2004 01:49:54.159 --> 01:49:57.000 it was it was a deplorable thing. I murdered a baby. 2005 01:49:57.119 --> 01:50:00.680 But you know God made the flower bloom, so obviously 2006 01:50:00.880 --> 01:50:03.600 God is given as a okay for that big old 2007 01:50:03.720 --> 01:50:06.560 sorry that I gave him, or or it is killing 2008 01:50:06.600 --> 01:50:10.840 a baby in this particular respect. Does that require something bigger, 2009 01:50:11.119 --> 01:50:14.720 like maybe like a fucking plane in the sky that 2010 01:50:14.840 --> 01:50:17.800 where God's like, cool, bro, you're good? 2011 01:50:21.159 --> 01:50:23.359 Uh Not that that would be outside of the realm 2012 01:50:23.760 --> 01:50:29.239 of what my God can do. Oftentimes in those situations, 2013 01:50:29.319 --> 01:50:32.479 I would actually not know, seeing as how I do 2014 01:50:32.640 --> 01:50:36.560 my best to follow his will and his word. I 2015 01:50:36.640 --> 01:50:42.319 don't commit any major you know, full pause with humans. 2016 01:50:42.520 --> 01:50:42.920 How do you know? 2017 01:50:44.359 --> 01:50:47.680 Well, you could, you could commit a faux pas with 2018 01:50:48.079 --> 01:50:51.079 with with God, and he could just be getting madder 2019 01:50:51.159 --> 01:50:51.720 and madder. 2020 01:50:54.960 --> 01:50:57.439 Yet he continues to bless me with every new day. 2021 01:50:57.960 --> 01:51:01.319 He blesses you. I guess you mean he wakes you 2022 01:51:01.479 --> 01:51:02.079 up every day. 2023 01:51:04.319 --> 01:51:08.000 Well, whether or not she does. The Earth is still spinning, 2024 01:51:08.039 --> 01:51:11.359 the sun is still arising, there's still oxygen on the planet. 2025 01:51:11.399 --> 01:51:14.239 There are many many ways that he could take away 2026 01:51:14.880 --> 01:51:15.920 that which sustains us. 2027 01:51:17.159 --> 01:51:20.159 And how do you know that God keeps the air 2028 01:51:20.319 --> 01:51:21.880 on the Earth and the Earth spinning? 2029 01:51:24.840 --> 01:51:26.920 Well, I mean have you tried. 2030 01:51:27.800 --> 01:51:30.199 Have I tried? Have I tried stopping the earth? 2031 01:51:31.319 --> 01:51:33.279 I mean, have you tried spinning it? Have you tried 2032 01:51:33.399 --> 01:51:36.000 keeping the air contained to the planet. 2033 01:51:36.479 --> 01:51:38.319 I don't have to do any of those things because 2034 01:51:38.479 --> 01:51:43.039 physics exists, and I understand how physics works. Do you 2035 01:51:43.159 --> 01:51:44.159 know how physics works? 2036 01:51:47.520 --> 01:51:49.399 I could be a liar and say yes. 2037 01:51:50.039 --> 01:51:53.560 Okay, so it's just an argument from ignorance that you 2038 01:51:53.640 --> 01:51:55.920 don't know how physics works, so therefore God. 2039 01:51:58.640 --> 01:52:01.439 Not necessarily. No, I don't know that my news of 2040 01:52:01.560 --> 01:52:04.520 how airspace chapped to a planet, but. 2041 01:52:04.640 --> 01:52:06.600 I do know that it's gravity. 2042 01:52:07.760 --> 01:52:09.359 To the grace of God, it will for longer. 2043 01:52:09.560 --> 01:52:12.119 No, No, where's where so in in in the in 2044 01:52:12.199 --> 01:52:17.359 the process of of like mass or matter bending space 2045 01:52:17.520 --> 01:52:21.840 time and causing gravity to happen. Where is God in that? 2046 01:52:22.119 --> 01:52:22.159 Like? 2047 01:52:22.399 --> 01:52:25.720 Where does does that process need? Like a wizard? 2048 01:52:29.199 --> 01:52:32.319 I don't know what you mean by a wizard, but 2049 01:52:33.119 --> 01:52:36.760 certainly you know obviously I believe that He set those 2050 01:52:36.960 --> 01:52:41.159 in place to kind of governed uh, that which we 2051 01:52:41.279 --> 01:52:42.000 call reality. 2052 01:52:43.720 --> 01:52:45.680 No, I mean so what what I what I mean? 2053 01:52:46.119 --> 01:52:50.079 In space time? So space time is displaced by mass, 2054 01:52:50.319 --> 01:52:54.960 you know, matter, and that causes gravity what we experience 2055 01:52:55.039 --> 01:52:58.279 as gravity. None of that requires any kind of magical 2056 01:52:58.840 --> 01:53:03.359 like jews or magical aspect to it. Like, That's just 2057 01:53:03.600 --> 01:53:07.199 how reality operates. So in order for you to say 2058 01:53:07.239 --> 01:53:10.680 that God is necessary for that to happen, you would 2059 01:53:10.720 --> 01:53:14.279 need to provide some kind of grounding that that makes 2060 01:53:14.359 --> 01:53:17.479 God necessary for it. All you've stated is just the 2061 01:53:17.600 --> 01:53:20.680 claim that God is necessary, instead of actually building a 2062 01:53:20.760 --> 01:53:25.720 bridge to establish that. Could you somehow establish that God 2063 01:53:25.840 --> 01:53:28.079 is necessary for gravity to exist? 2064 01:53:31.199 --> 01:53:33.640 My favorite question absolutely Genesis. 2065 01:53:34.279 --> 01:53:35.960 You get asked this multiple times. 2066 01:53:36.159 --> 01:53:36.920 No, he doesn't. 2067 01:53:39.239 --> 01:53:44.520 How can this be your favorite question? Like this is 2068 01:53:44.600 --> 01:53:47.880 the first time I've ever asked this question before, Like 2069 01:53:48.039 --> 01:53:58.439 normally it's the water cycle. Grad Thank you. Can you 2070 01:53:58.560 --> 01:54:01.079 explain to me how God creates it's gravity or how 2071 01:54:01.239 --> 01:54:07.359 He's made gravity or something like that, just like fucking no, 2072 01:54:07.520 --> 01:54:09.119 he can't, John stop please? 2073 01:54:11.000 --> 01:54:13.920 No, I mean all you really need to know is 2074 01:54:14.000 --> 01:54:16.079 that gravity is still a theory. 2075 01:54:17.680 --> 01:54:23.840 No, no, no, I think I think I think Trek 2076 01:54:23.880 --> 01:54:27.399 has had enough uh fun today. 2077 01:54:27.600 --> 01:54:31.880 To wait, has Tarik had enough or have you had 2078 01:54:32.000 --> 01:54:38.359 enough drink? Uh Tarke? I really think that you need 2079 01:54:38.439 --> 01:54:41.359 to go back and research some basic science ship because 2080 01:54:41.479 --> 01:54:44.319 like there's no need for a wizard, which I mean 2081 01:54:44.399 --> 01:54:47.199 I was gonna ask you to distinguish between God and 2082 01:54:47.239 --> 01:54:50.199 a wizard, but I mean we we are getting to 2083 01:54:50.279 --> 01:54:51.239 the end of the show here. 2084 01:54:54.600 --> 01:54:59.439 Okay, Well, what did you do Hopefully next time you guys. 2085 01:54:59.319 --> 01:55:02.600 Will have you I've been hearing you. I don't know 2086 01:55:02.640 --> 01:55:06.039 what you mean ears to hear like I've can you 2087 01:55:06.079 --> 01:55:08.880 see me on the TV? I've got ears like right here. 2088 01:55:08.960 --> 01:55:10.479 I don't know what you mean by ears to hear? 2089 01:55:10.840 --> 01:55:11.840 Think or do you have ears? 2090 01:55:12.000 --> 01:55:15.119 It looks like you got somebody's going to get an 2091 01:55:15.119 --> 01:55:22.079 ear full when I, like, I have I have ears? 2092 01:55:22.159 --> 01:55:30.279 But yeah, yeah, yep, Trek, are you still there? 2093 01:55:31.399 --> 01:55:31.600 Yes? 2094 01:55:35.239 --> 01:55:36.560 Calls into my show a line? 2095 01:55:36.760 --> 01:55:37.119 Or does he? 2096 01:55:37.319 --> 01:55:37.520 Yes? 2097 01:55:38.079 --> 01:55:38.119 So? 2098 01:55:39.479 --> 01:55:40.079 Is he a troll? 2099 01:55:40.760 --> 01:55:48.079 Huh No, he's he's something else, something else. 2100 01:55:48.079 --> 01:55:53.000 He's definitely something else. All right, Tarik, we are here 2101 01:55:53.119 --> 01:55:53.640 at the end. 2102 01:55:53.920 --> 01:55:54.039 Uh. 2103 01:55:54.359 --> 01:55:56.520 Next time we will be sure to I guess have 2104 01:55:56.720 --> 01:56:00.439 our hearing ears on instead of whatever then we put 2105 01:56:00.520 --> 01:56:04.800 on today. But yeah, I hope that you'll call in again. 2106 01:56:04.880 --> 01:56:07.000 There will be a new set of hosts next week, 2107 01:56:07.159 --> 01:56:10.880 and hopefully maybe you can convince them of, you know, 2108 01:56:11.000 --> 01:56:18.640 God not being a wizard. Okay, see you later there, Tarik. 2109 01:56:18.760 --> 01:56:31.560 You have a good day. What I didn't even bring 2110 01:56:31.640 --> 01:56:32.079 a tie? 2111 01:56:33.760 --> 01:56:34.439 Just yell at Dan. 2112 01:56:34.600 --> 01:56:40.079 You can hear us outside Dan. We're summoning Dan. We 2113 01:56:40.199 --> 01:56:41.079 know you can hear us. 2114 01:56:41.560 --> 01:56:45.279 We need the board to do that in here, it's 2115 01:56:45.319 --> 01:56:47.159 a spirit. 2116 01:56:50.239 --> 01:56:52.119 He's out there. He's ignoring us. 2117 01:56:52.640 --> 01:56:56.560 Yeah, oh wait, there, you guys. 2118 01:56:56.439 --> 01:56:57.800 Really on for an extra. 2119 01:57:00.720 --> 01:57:04.159 We got We got on the car, so we're having 2120 01:57:04.199 --> 01:57:04.720 fun with him. 2121 01:57:04.760 --> 01:57:12.720 But how he took He took like ten seconds to respond, 2122 01:57:12.840 --> 01:57:15.159 but it sounded like he wasn't using that time to think. 2123 01:57:15.359 --> 01:57:19.239 I know, he just sat there like unfortunately anytime he 2124 01:57:19.359 --> 01:57:22.760 calls in, like he just randomly talks about stuff and 2125 01:57:23.239 --> 01:57:25.800 then he makes like really bad dad jokes in the middle. 2126 01:57:25.880 --> 01:57:27.760 I was like, he doesn't think you can relate to that. 2127 01:57:29.479 --> 01:57:32.479 He's a nice guy. I keep him around, but he's 2128 01:57:32.479 --> 01:57:33.000 a nice guy. 2129 01:57:34.439 --> 01:57:36.199 Does he always use a voice changer? 2130 01:57:36.319 --> 01:57:38.039 Or is it like I never noticed that he was 2131 01:57:38.119 --> 01:57:39.279 using a voice he'sus a voice. 2132 01:57:39.319 --> 01:57:41.640 I think his action started changing halfway through the car. 2133 01:57:41.960 --> 01:57:43.000 His accent changed. 2134 01:57:43.199 --> 01:57:46.000 No, I don't know. It sounded like a voice changer 2135 01:57:46.079 --> 01:57:46.239 to me. 2136 01:57:46.399 --> 01:57:48.119 It sounded like it was like an I. 2137 01:57:48.159 --> 01:57:51.119 Think he might be scared of like his family. 2138 01:57:51.920 --> 01:57:52.159 Maybe. 2139 01:57:52.479 --> 01:57:52.800 I don't know. 2140 01:57:54.800 --> 01:57:59.800 If you're watching, I'm sorry, what are y'all doing in here? 2141 01:58:00.119 --> 01:58:01.560 We don't know you called me what. 2142 01:58:02.159 --> 01:58:04.960 We came in because we wanted to thank everybody we're 2143 01:58:05.039 --> 01:58:13.199 here this weekend, just real. 2144 01:58:13.159 --> 01:58:13.760 Quick, and. 2145 01:58:15.560 --> 01:58:19.760 We often get accused of never getting anything done, never 2146 01:58:19.840 --> 01:58:24.239 making a difference in anybody's life. This was dropped off 2147 01:58:24.600 --> 01:58:27.199 by somebody that you met with and I'm not gonna 2148 01:58:27.439 --> 01:58:33.119 say her name, but the person who was there with Yes, 2149 01:58:34.279 --> 01:58:38.279 she specifically was so moved by your compassion and everything 2150 01:58:38.960 --> 01:58:50.319 that she wanted you to have these. But yeah, and 2151 01:58:50.399 --> 01:58:53.199 once again, hey, uh, these are the people who have 2152 01:58:53.399 --> 01:58:56.560 been kind enough to work with us, not just on 2153 01:58:56.640 --> 01:58:59.279 the show today, but throughout the entire weekend. Please give 2154 01:58:59.279 --> 01:59:05.520 them another round applause. I love you all, probably equally, 2155 01:59:05.680 --> 01:59:09.960 maybe not, but you know a little more, Kelly, you 2156 01:59:10.119 --> 01:59:17.479 among you know who I love? Are all right? But everybody, 2157 01:59:17.560 --> 01:59:20.039 thank you for coming out, and we're gonna go ahead 2158 01:59:20.079 --> 01:59:21.800 and close this thing out. I will turn it over 2159 01:59:21.840 --> 01:59:22.439 to the pros and. 2160 01:59:22.560 --> 01:59:24.720 Can I just say a special things to all the 2161 01:59:24.800 --> 01:59:27.079 other people, all the volunteers that really help. 2162 01:59:27.399 --> 01:59:30.319 Yeah, yeah, there, the crew is awesome. 2163 01:59:30.560 --> 01:59:34.479 Yeah really seriously, thank you to the crew. Amazing, amazing weekend. 2164 01:59:34.560 --> 01:59:35.479 Everybody needs to come. 2165 01:59:35.359 --> 01:59:37.920 Out next year, yeah, definitely. 2166 01:59:38.000 --> 01:59:40.359 I want to say thank you to members of my 2167 01:59:40.600 --> 01:59:43.640 online community who some flew out here, some live out here. 2168 01:59:43.680 --> 01:59:46.000 Thank you all so much for supporting and being out. 2169 01:59:48.800 --> 01:59:51.279 I got do that, got with my broach. We're broach 2170 01:59:51.319 --> 01:59:56.680 buddies now, all right, so we're done. 2171 01:59:56.800 --> 02:00:00.840 I can't keep it up. Yeah, so. 2172 02:00:02.640 --> 02:00:03.039 Uh huh. 2173 02:00:04.479 --> 02:00:05.199 What's the outro? 2174 02:00:06.560 --> 02:00:06.720 Oh? 2175 02:00:06.880 --> 02:00:09.560 Well, thank y'all so much for being here today, everybody. 2176 02:00:09.600 --> 02:00:10.520 We'll see y'all next week. 2177 02:00:10.600 --> 02:00:13.279 By thanks. 2178 02:00:18.680 --> 02:00:50.399 Watch yeah nine, Yeah, I. 2179 02:00:50.520 --> 02:00:52.199 Don't have a different places I go. 2180 02:00:54.319 --> 02:00:56.600 Yeah, so I got my stuff out there. 2181 02:00:58.199 --> 02:01:01.560 Watch Talking In Live son days at one pm Central 2182 02:01:01.800 --> 02:01:03.800 and call into the show at five ve two 2183 02:01:05.920 --> 02:01:09.359 Four two, or connect to the show online at a 2184 02:01:09.560 --> 02:01:11.680 C eight dot show slash call Hall