Speaker 1: Hello, everybody, Welcome back to the fire Escape Cast. It
is episode ninety three. I'm Mike Mahardy here as always
with Dan Rikert.
Speaker 2: Hello, Mary Kish, Hello.
Speaker 1: And my cat Daisy decided to come intro. Oh my god,
I was gonna move her mouth me, Michael Wow.
Speaker 2: For the audience. For those who aren't on the video feed,
that is just a cat speaking into a microphone. You
won't know if I'm lying unless you joined the Patreon
on the video gotch.
Speaker 3: I love Amanda more.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not a lie. She's You're not far off
they all do.
Speaker 3: I mean she said it.
Speaker 1: Diazy has become I don't know if I've told you that.
She just decided like two weeks ago to become a
lapcat at five years old.
Speaker 2: As animals get older, I think you can see there's
like we see it with like Razor, just getting like
a little more chill or a little different.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think that happens. It happens with people. When you
get older, you get different, right, that's what.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I forget what five is in cat years, because
cat years isn't just seven years like dogs. It's it's
like way more at first, but then when they're older.
Each year is oh not human years. So what does
it say for five year old cats? How old is she? Well?
Speaker 2: Google AI says, it's just the thing at the top.
It's the quickest thing, right. The first year. Okay, here's
from Purina. Okay, this is from.
Speaker 3: Purina dot com the source.
Speaker 2: Look the second thing.
Speaker 1: Okay, cat chat real Okay.
Speaker 2: The first year of your cat's life is considered the
equivalent of fifteen human years. Yeah, second year adds nine,
so two cat years are twenty four human years. After this,
each additional human year is four cat years. So age
three would be twenty eight. So thirty six, yeah, thirty six,
so they're thirty six. They're like they're our age now.
And now she's decided to cuddle on my lap. I'm
not thirty six, but might as well be. And she
just like started doing it.
Speaker 1: I think the colder weather also is you know, they
need me for heat sometimes, but it's.
Speaker 3: Really cut a laptop me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you sound like shit. By the way, what's wrong,
I'm sick. I'm just clearing the air before I'm sick.
Speaker 2: Very what do you got? What do you say?
Speaker 1: What?
Speaker 3: I don't know, it's not it's not the big one
tested tested. That's for death, big true, that's true. I
like grossly overestimated the power of COVID. Yeah, it's it's
I'm not dying and I don't have anything like severely
wrong with me. But I did have a fever two
days ago, and I broke it yesterday, and I think
now I'm just like recuperating ye old voice. Also, sometimes
I'm just tired, and sometimes what I think I'm gonna
say in my brain comes out terribly after it's come out,
I think it's happening right now.
Speaker 2: That's why you don't put things in your brain first,
you just haven't come out your head. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Dan's filter is a like reverse osmosis, where he
says stuff and then it goes back into his brain
and then he evaluates it after it's been said a
few seconds ago.
Speaker 2: That happens when I'm listening to like, somebody will say
something to me and I'll go like yeah, and I
won't understand what they said, and then I'll respond, and
then I'll think about what they said and be like, oh,
that's what they said, but I've already said yeah or
laughed or something. It's kind of a problem.
Speaker 1: I hesitate to bring this up. I'm not gonna go
to specifics because I do it like no, no, no, no.
It involves like person like people we know, and I'm
not going to say names. But Dan, you made a
you Bianca and Amanda and I we went out to
dinner like two weeks ago, and you said a joke
that at the time you made it comparison. At the
time that was like, I was like that that was
pretty funny. But then like that night in bed, I
was like, that was really fucking funny. I should have
laughed harder.
Speaker 2: No joke you're talking about it? Yeh, very funny, you
know how like you got a laugh from another friend.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was. It was the end of the day.
I was having I have a lull at like five
pm every day, and you you know, we saw you
right around then. But it's kind of like when you
are laying in bed going over something embarrassing that happened
that day, I like had an epiphans I should have
left so much harder at that joke. Dan told me
it was really I need to know it was impressive.
Speaker 2: Well can I just take the laugh now?
Speaker 1: That?
Speaker 2: Oh good?
Speaker 1: That was good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll take you. Look at all. All's forgiven. We're good. No, no, no, Hey,
I'm the one who told the joke. Mary, I get
to have the final verdict on this.
Speaker 3: I think that's sad for you.
Speaker 2: Then, I liked Mike's joke earlier about how Mary's voice
is hoarse because she was cheering too loud in Madison
Square Garden recently. I thought that was fun. That's my
laugh for that one.
Speaker 1: That's the kind of joke I make before we record, right,
people don't hear it, Dan Oh, I mean Vinny Vinnie
hopped in the zoom and said that, Yeah.
Speaker 3: These are really funny. These are really funny jokes.
Speaker 1: I like how the butt of the joke changes every
episode so far. It's been a lot to marry a
Jake special yep. Although then I became about the joke
and you changed Jake dot Org.
Speaker 3: Going back that because you weren't fast enough.
Speaker 1: That was a really fun joke.
Speaker 2: Jake won that round you.
Speaker 3: So Jake won that around you.
Speaker 2: Hmm.
Speaker 3: I'm not smart enough to defend myself right now because
I have sick. What's the problem here is that you
guys are picking on someone who doesn't have the full
capacity of their brain. And I think that says more
about you than it does about me, who is a
victim in this situation. I am doing my best to
keep up, but it takes me a little longer to
retort and call you what you are. In these situations,
I have to think about it, process it, and by
the time I usually come up with a really nice,
witty comeback, the moment has passed and I just have
to be quiet.
Speaker 2: Well, the question, you know, we're typically drinking during this show,
and that impairs speed and reflexes and things like that.
So do you feel like sober and sick is slower
than not sick? And if you drinks in.
Speaker 3: Oh not me, honey, alcohol only improves the speed in veracity.
Speaker 1: There's mouse there's like a drink count or.
Speaker 3: Like Bomber's peak for sure, what does Bomber's peak like?
Notorious for engineers or like essentially coders who would drink
because it improves your creativity, your flexibility, and your curiosity
to a certain degree. And so people who were like programming.
It's like an old comics you can look it up.
Speaker 2: But like, is this Steve Baumber thing that?
Speaker 3: Yeah, the comic is depicting essentially like a bunch of
programmers who are at Bomber's peak, and so it's making
them really creative and really interesting and they're writing amazing code.
But the problem is is that you can never maintain
Bomber's peak because you drink too much and then you
pass out, and so it's it's a fallacy, like you
can't maintain it.
Speaker 2: Sweet spot. There is a sweet spot with like I
have Bomber's peak during Astrobot speed runs where it's like, Okay,
I'm like four drinks in, I'm like, you know, not
getting in my head about stuff, but I'm not like sloppy,
Like yeah, there's a right amount.
Speaker 3: Of the deck sterity goes up, right, Like have you
ever drank when you're like taking on like a crazy
bloodborne boss or something, You're just like, I'm so fluid,
I'm thinking of his moves before he's making them. I'm
in the motherfuckings Oh my god, I'm drunk. And then
you and then you had to fall asleep at your keyboard,
and you know that happened to the best of us.
Speaker 2: That's so rare with me, the falling asleep. It's happened,
but on a rare occasion, like sleeping in a couch
or a chair or something. I like, that's why I
can't sleep on planes and stuff, is because I can't
be in a seated position sleeping easily reclined. Sure, if
I got like a lazy boy situation going on, that's
happened more often. But like, do you ever play.
Speaker 3: On a couch like where you're like kind of it's
a lounge couch situation. Like I fall asleep like that
all the time, And I just got a new couch
and so now it's, yeah, I'm in trouble if it's
it's the couch that has half of it is a
sitting couch and half of visit a legs extendo couch.
You know I'm talking about, yeah leg rest situation. And
if I do that, and I have usually my Steam
deck and I'm playing something in there, all bets are off.
At any moment, no matter where I am in a
video game, I might just fall asleep and have a
and I just wake up like an hour later and
I'm happy and nothing bad really happened to me. There's
no punishment for it usually, So yeah, I mean it's
just become a natural occurrence.
Speaker 2: Ye are you not like waking up the airport or something.
You're probably fine.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you don't want to wake up in a lawless land.
If you wake up in like, you know, Toledo on
a random Tuesday, you've gone too far. But if you're
in your home, you're you're safe still with your blanking
on you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, have you guys seen we might may have talked.
Is that Mexican Coca Cola?
Speaker 3: It is you, guys. I'm a costco homie now, Yeah,
I can't help it.
Speaker 1: I can't believe it. For good prices they yet they
ran like really good wines that should not be as
cheap as they are.
Speaker 3: It's crazy, it's crazy what they offer. But the Mexican
cokes there are like such a scam. It's such a
good deal. And if I'm gonna drink soda, I'm not
much of a soda person. Dan, I know you're a
big soda head, so like we can maybe talk about this,
but like I usually just do not drink SODA's ever,
it's not in my thing. I'm a I'm a Lacroix person.
I usually drink like soda water if I want something crispy,
But I do not have any kind of soda almost
ever in my life. But a Mexican coke at the
glass bottle, it's just like it's I don't know, it's
a treat. It's like somebody gave me a gift. It's
a decadent dessert. It makes me feel like a million bucks.
I love it. It's such a good treat.
Speaker 2: I believe it. The only thing is I just I've
never bought a full normal soda since like before college
or maybe early college, so it's all zero. And like,
I don't think they do zero Mexican coke.
Speaker 3: I don't think they do have zero.
Speaker 2: I don't think they do no.
Speaker 3: I think there'd be something like just completely impossible about it,
considering the whole point of Mexican coke is that it's
made with sugar instead of corn syrup, which is like
our American systems, And I don't think zero has corn syrup.
I would assume it's all su gross or some kind
of like fake.
Speaker 2: Oh okay.
Speaker 1: I used to know that There was a period when
I was younger and I was getting tested for allergies
and it turned out one of them was corn. So
like we were like, all right, if it's bad, nothing,
I guess corn syrup will have a little bit to
do with that, So I started trying to avoid coins
corn syrup in all of it, in everything.
Speaker 2: I had an allergy test this morning, my first time ever.
It was what did they do?
Speaker 1: Do they do the prick?
Speaker 2: Yeah, a billion little pricks in my back and then
they did I didn't know this was like a medical term,
but they did still have these raised dots in my forearm.
They're like, Okay, we're gonna test for food stuff by putting.
It's not a shot, it's not an injection. It's just
like a little blip under your skin. And they said
blip like a lot to the point where I was like,
is this an actual medical thing that I've never heard
or because I've only heard it like, oh, a dog
was like sticking his tongue out. Weird. Like, we're put
like six blips under your forearm. I don't know what
that means.
Speaker 3: Go it an acronym, I don't know, but.
Speaker 2: It's just like six bumps they inject like wheat and
oil or whatever under your forearm and they see if
it like freaks out and sprouts another arm. And it
didn't do that for me, So yeah, I guess I'm fine.
Speaker 1: Why did you get the Well, first off, I hated
the prot test because several of them went nuts on
my back. Oh really yeah, grass went crazy like grass
grew on your back. It was so bad that it
like it like it got red and a huge bump
and the red overtook some of the other pricks so
radiated out for me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, But did you.
Speaker 1: Just get Was it like a routine thing or have
you been booked? You had?
Speaker 2: It takes forever if you book something here where. I
booked it back before I had my sinus surgery, just
being like when I was having all those infections, I
was like, that's the spring. Maybe I'm allergic to something
or pollen in Minnesota or something. So I booked it
and the earliest date they had was today. And in
between booking it and now I like had surgery and
recovery and stuff. But I was like, I'm so curious,
why not I'll get the test. So but I think
I'm good.
Speaker 3: It seems like it's a nice thing to do. I mean,
I'm not even I don't have a lot of allergies.
I'd be very curious if my body had any reactions
to any items. Like I would do it just for
the knowledge of like what I'm allergic to. So did
you did you have any reactions to any bleps? Nothing?
Speaker 2: There's the one like control poke they do on your
back to like compare the other ones to do. And
this said, Oh, that one's like a histamine thing that's
going to make an itch for a little bit, Like
I slightly itched for a little bit. But it just
it was easy. It was fine. Nothing reacted bad. Uh yeah, simple.
They drew some blood to check some other stuff. But man,
it's all easy.
Speaker 3: So you don't have any allergies.
Speaker 2: I'm not allergic to anything.
Speaker 3: No, why did you do it again?
Speaker 2: I was wondering about earlier because I booked it in
the spring. Maybe I'm getting nine thousand, understand.
Speaker 3: I heard the story. I don't understand why.
Speaker 1: You book this is that's a bit that was me.
Speaker 3: I'm going to bed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you boked it a while ago before he had
all the surgeries, and the surgeries all helped and now
he feels fine, but he hadn't.
Speaker 2: Okay, I see, I'm still curious, man, I'd like to
know about my body and what.
Speaker 3: You find out if it's something like allergies, before you
have major surgery. So you did a little out of order,
but I guess it just worked out in the end,
Thank you American health Care system.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would have booked it sooner, but like it
literally was like, oh, six months from now is the
earliest thing. So that's great.
Speaker 3: That's so crazy. I was thinking about out and got
the big one looking into a deviated septum because my
nose is always stuffy, and I've heard that deviated septums
are like you know, it's I mean, it is a procedure,
but it's totally fixable with modern science, and it's really
worth looking into. And like these things are booked out
six months in advance, so if I wanted to like
get my deviated septum fixed, I have to like call
a doc now and book it and see me in
the next year.
Speaker 2: Might as well, Like you'll book it and then forget
about it, and then it'll come up for you know,
and it's like, oh shit, get that done, like they
did that.
Speaker 1: That's got recovery though, that the allergy thing, you just
came home and you're fine. Deviate septum has quite a recovery.
Speaker 3: It's like getting a little nose job.
Speaker 1: We both got it, Dan and me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they did it with mine while they're in there
doing the sinus stuff like.
Speaker 1: Two weeks, so they got these like stints up it, right.
Speaker 2: I didn't need the stens, but it still was for
a while.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I had the whole mind was bad, so like
my whole left nostril just like didn't work my whole life.
And I never really asked anybody about it, so no
one knew that it wasn't working. I was like, why
do we have two nostrils? I thought it was like
a like a kidney situation. My mom's like, what are
you talking about? I was like, why do we have
two nostrils if we only breathe through one? She's like,
are you congested right now? I was like no, I
feel fine. She's like, are you telling me you can't
breathe through one of your nostrils? I was like yes,
She's like how long? I don't know, seventeen years.
Speaker 2: I didn't realize until like two years ago, and I
was doing a yoga class and they were like, let's
do some bread stuff and she was like, okay, so
cover one nostril and out, cover the other one and
out and like one of them just doesn't do that.
It turns out like, yeah, I just wouldn't breathing through
the right one.
Speaker 1: It helps broke out like turns out being able to
breathe like symmetrically. And I was playing sports up in
like fairly well up until then and then afterwards like,
oh my god, I've been working like over time, like
twice as hard to run the same amount.
Speaker 3: If only they could have unlocked that during your peak
high school years, you could have made State Mike.
Speaker 1: Oh dude, I'd be I'd be fucking you would have
been able to read.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you could have climbed mountains with both of those
nose hooles opened up.
Speaker 1: I'd be the fourth Splash brother. Everything would have been different.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't be fucking like Naku in those weight chambers
like heavy gravity chambers, just struggling to do setups and
all you needed was that second hole.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't fucking be talking to YouTube every two weeks,
that's for sure.
Speaker 2: I do wonder if that was something because I did.
I just did another half marathon on Sunday, and the
last one, like all my training and everything was done
without the surgery, and this one was like a billion
times easier for me than the first half marathon this year.
But I think another big part of it, though, was
it was thirty four degrees this time, and the one
I did in July was eighty degrees by the end,
and so like I was full on, Like when I
crossed the finish line in July, I felt fucked up,
Like I remember thinking like I need to sit down
and just eat a bunch of cookies or something until
I feel like I can, like drive this one. I
crossed the finished line, grab bottle of water and like, yeah,
I'm good to go, Like it's so much better when
it's cold outside.
Speaker 1: How many halfs is that now?
Speaker 2: Three? And I signed up for a full marathon next year.
Speaker 1: You can start telling everybody you've run one and a
half marathons.
Speaker 2: Ad, no, no, I'll be back runding good three halves
and I'll do the full next year. My sister's going
to train with me, so that'll be fun from a distance. Yep, yep.
So she'll train in Kansas and then she'll fly up
for the thing in October.
Speaker 1: How do is it the Minneapolis Marathon.
Speaker 2: Twin Cities Marathon?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: How does that? Like? I know training for that is like, Okay,
one day you do two miles and then you rest,
and then the next day you do six and then
you rest and then you kind of work up to
peaks and then you work back down and then you
work up.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Am I sort of describing it?
Speaker 2: Well, I've got it on my Google calendar. It starts
in May and then so like let's say, let's look
at June. My long run Saturday is eight miles, then
it's nine, then it goes down to six. Then he
goes to eleven, then he goes to twelve. So it
does kind of go up and bring it down every
once in a while, but this is slowly, like the
trend line's going up. So like by late July, I'm
doing fifteen miles. Get into August seventeen, eight nineteen, just
working a ry after that in twenty six.
Speaker 1: Do you run twenty six before the marathon at all?
Speaker 2: No, it looks like the longest I will run before
is twenty on September thirteenth.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's just like not worth the injury risk after
those six that extra six miles or something. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I could see it because it was three four days ago.
I did this half and like my left foot is
like I don't think I like broke anything or whatever,
but just like I can feel like the bones in
my left foot are like hurting, so I'm like icing
it and stuff. So if that happens at thirteen miles,
I can't imagine doing nineteen twenty pleasure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, my uncle, I forget how many he's run, but
he like places well sorry, not like top three. I
don't think top three, but he like he takes it seriously,
does it in under whatever the hour count is that like,
oh you're a serious marathon run or whatever. And he
was saying I was like, have you ever gotten like
this random injury like two hours in or sorry, two
miles in? He's like yeah. I was like what And
he described some of the injuries he got at two
miles and I was like that sucks to just have
to end the racers like, oh, I ran the rest
of the race. I just didn't run quickly. I was like,
but you I forgot I wish I knew remembered what.
But it was like an injury that if I was
playing basketball, I would leave the court immediately. Sure, he
just ran another twenty four miles or something because you're like,
well I did a year for this, Like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if it's on if it's on race day and
you're literally not like it's not like a bone sticking
out of your leg or something like you know, you
train for yeah, the better part of a year. Like
I would probably run through there, Like my foot was hurting.
By the end of this one. I was like, this
is my last run of the year.
Speaker 3: Basically all the bones were inside and so you can't run.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would have accepted an injury if you know
it was my last run.
Speaker 3: Yeah. When the doctors check you out before the run,
they're always like, where are the bones, And if they're
all on the inside, fucking run.
Speaker 2: If there's one poking out, they just kind of poke
it back in and you know you're gonna go put
a band aid over it. You're good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just periodically pussy everybody got this.
Speaker 3: Pussy's way. He's got a bone sticking out, My bone
hurts me.
Speaker 1: Meanwhile, fans orb is hanging out of his body. Loser,
his orb is intact.
Speaker 2: He's fine, my orb was drawn. Yeah, well that's cool.
Speaker 1: That's exciting. Twenty six point two miles.
Speaker 2: Yep yep, that'll be October. I mean, we'll see I
could get injured. Any number of things gonna happen, but that.
Speaker 1: Hit twenty six miles. You only have point two left,
and then one of your friends flew in secretly and
comes out of nowhere on a skateboard and runs into you.
Speaker 2: Tanya hurting me. Yeah, basically, that'd be a really weird
thing to do.
Speaker 3: Kanya Harding did that so that she could win. Mike
wouldn't even be doing it.
Speaker 1: I just can't tolerate.
Speaker 3: He would just want to take you down a peg.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he doesn't skateboard, Yeah, just a cool factor.
Speaker 2: He learns the skateboard so he can do this. It's
for the content. We'll tell a story on the podcast.
Speaker 1: No, that'd be even funnier if I like put a
hood over your head and then two of my henchmen
pulled you backstage, and then I came out dressed like
you with a wig on or a bear up your wig.
I crossed the finish line, like Bank goes to hug me, like, hey, fuck,
I love you.
Speaker 2: It's just that Nathan for you, where he has all
the prosthetics and stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, come here, baby.
Speaker 1: Fucking watch your back that last mile, Dan, shit, Okay,
that's when that's when, that's when I'll be lurking. Oh god,
that really would be funny though, if, like now, if
I did fly in secretly and you look off to
the side and you I'm just standing there randomly at
like mile nineteen, Yeah, doing.
Speaker 2: That, I agree, that'd be very funny. Yes, I'm calling
your bluff. Do it.
Speaker 1: That'd be really fucking funny.
Speaker 3: My girlfriends have also been doing marathons. They've been trying
to convince me to do one. There's a couple half marathons,
but I really do not tend to run more than
five miles ever, and I don't know if I want
to run more than five miles. That's a long time.
I remember the first time I run, I ran like
three miles. I was like, good for you, Like go
get a drink, like you're done for the day. But
I've gotten more proactive with running with them, and I've
found that when I run by myself, after I run
about one or two miles, I'm pretty tired and would
like to like take a break or chill. But if
I run with friends, I can run three miles and
not notice and there's like a social component or at
least a mental component to running that's like just about
distracting yourself with other shit going on so that you
don't think about how tired you are.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would, that would be when I listened to
my podcast typically throughout the week, like during the training runs,
and then on actual race day. There is something about
just like there's adrenaline, there's a million other people doing this.
It's like it's not your normal route, so there's like
novelty to it. So I didn't necessarily know if I
was gonna be able to do it this time, but
like once you get out there race day, it's just
like your brain clicks into place. It's like, all right, yeah,
we're doing this.
Speaker 3: I couldn't imagine a full marathon. To give you a
lot of credit, I've tinkered with the idea of doing
a half, but again, I just think that there's like
a sweet spot for me personally, or like five or
six miles and I'm like, I'm so proud of me,
and then I go home. I don't get a medal,
but I feel like I accomplished a lot running five miles.
Speaker 2: But you know what the thing is, though, is that.
I think the reason it's worked for me more than
most any other workout is because you register so far
in advance, like I've already paid for a thing a
year from now, and if I am not ready for it,
I've just wasted that. You know, I wasted the money.
It's not refundable, you know. It's like, so I have
to hit this schedule. I can't just like because if
you don't have like a dedicated thing or a day
on the calendar you got to prepare for at least me,
I'll just be like, ah, you know, today was busy.
I didn't have time to do this or whatever, like
to do a reason, Yeah, you have to do it,
otherwise you're fucked and you're just not gonna be able
to run the marathon. So it like keeps you on track.
Speaker 3: I do like that. I feel like I could use
more reasons to be committed. The best one I have
is that my girlfriends want to run with me, which
is such a wonderful thing. And I don't want to
embarrass myself and have these girls that do run marathons,
and I noticed this the last time we ran together,
because they're obviously much faster and better runners. Than me
because they run marathons. Was that they were running slower
than they usually do. I know what their average miles are,
and they were running slower miles and they didn't complain
and they never brought it up because they're very nice girls.
But I recognized that I was slowing them down, and
so like, to me, my motivation is is if my
girlfriends are inviting me out to run, I don't want
to be the slow runner. So I have to like
keep my shit together so that I can be invited
to the cool runners club. It's all social for me, baby, Like,
I don't want to be in the loser runner club.
I gotta I gotta show up.
Speaker 2: That sounds fun. I've never done that, Like the like
running with people thing, I don't.
Speaker 1: I It's that's not speaking of like what's for you
enough for me. I can't run with other people really
because I either I'm slowing down for them or I'm
working harder than I want to be to like with them.
I mean, once you've enough with someone, I'm sure you
like get a good sense of each other's pace. But like,
I hate even when I round a corner because I'm
running in like a city, most of the time, so
it's all on a grid for the most part until
I get to the water. If I round a corner,
I kind of peek around at first to make sure
no one else is running on that block, because again,
then I have the conundrum. It's like, do I pass
them and feel like an asshole? Or do I get
stuck behind them? Or yeah, do they fucking show me up?
Speaker 3: So those are strangers, and that's toxic masculinity.
Speaker 1: It's not I can be competitive and not be a
toxic masscular.
Speaker 3: They're just like so excited to run together.
Speaker 1: Join I didn't say.
Speaker 3: To my limit, and I better not let this other men.
Speaker 1: Pass close on a run up behind him and kick
him in the cross from behind him, then keep running,
pick pocket him, sucking as he's bleeding out, take take it,
steal his phone for the rest of my run, and
just text all of his friends I hate you. I'm
in love with your spouse n f BR three nine
two k H Mary. I texted Dan and Bianca this yesterday,
but I'll have you know and you'll appreciate it that, yes,
Amanda and me cannot watch a sex scene in a
show or a movie without her like shouting over it.
I'm anna, I'm gonna fucking fill you up. Like it's
like it could be the most emotional scene now and
like in a drama, like we're like and it's just
I know it's coming, so I'm bracing myself.
Speaker 2: Good, let me talking.
Speaker 3: I have to go because it kind of I mean,
it has the potential to ruin things, but I actually
think it's a beautiful thing that makes you closer, like
uh uh to me and my partner. Sometimes this is
just I don't know how this happened, but probably for
years now, anytime a character and another character kiss, we
elbow each other like schoolgirls and are like, like we
always do it. So if it's steamy, if it's spicy,
if it's just a kiss, it's always an elbow. Just
be like shit's heating up and it's become like lore
now where it doesn't matter what situation it is. If
people are kissing, we have to like elbow each other.
And I think it's funny and like I wonder if
like years from now, you guys will be like watching
the equivalent of like the next generation's Titanic and like
two star cross lovers will finally, that's a different movie
will finally be kissing and you will and you guys
will just be like, I'm gonna shoot secret joke between
you two.
Speaker 2: You know what I want. There was a website once
called the Walk of Life Project, and it took that.
You know, they did the Walk, the Walk that the
dire straight song. Yeah, yeah, it was. They basically said
that every movie could be improved by putting that over
the as he goes into the credits, and so it
would be like two thousand and one Space even like
a Star Child and Watch of Life is playing, and
it was amazing. I want to see a site like
that where it's just taking the mcgoover's sex sounds and
putting them over sex scenes in movies. So just like
famous sex scenes or like the Terminator one where it's
like Kyle Reeves and Sarah Connor and just dub over
mcgoover sex. Just uh, why is that? My I was
trying to think of a famous sex scene in a movie.
Speaker 3: It's like Terminator, what a famous sex scene?
Speaker 2: Hey Tommy, what sex was? So to me, it's the
most famous sex scene.
Speaker 1: What does it say about me that I went straight
to three hundred with Gerard Butler The beginning is very
slow motion scene. Yeah, before he's going off to die.
Speaker 2: I'm got just shoot, that's that's my slow.
Speaker 1: Motion Gerard Butler.
Speaker 2: It's really good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what is what is like an emotional sex scene?
Speaker 2: What can I think of emotional sex scene? How much
emotional sex have I seen in movies? Fuck, there's there's
gotta be some. I don't really see a lot of
romance movies. We talked about that.
Speaker 4: Well.
Speaker 1: I guess mcgruper had the right idea when they took
the top gun scene and fucked with it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what is a non ironic nice emotional sex scene?
Speaker 3: The Titanic one where they're in the back, they're.
Speaker 2: Just paying each other naked, they don't have sex.
Speaker 3: To they do?
Speaker 1: Yeah, on the raft they Yeah, he falls off into
the deep because they were trying to sixty nine on
the wrapt He came.
Speaker 2: And like blew his body pack in the water and
to die.
Speaker 1: And then she was too tired, just too.
Speaker 3: Satisfied, time, too tired, get off.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sorry, I beat.
Speaker 1: That's why Leo's face as he falls into the depths like.
Speaker 3: He's got.
Speaker 2: On the director's cut. He keeps sinking down and you
see his boner come in to frames.
Speaker 1: Now I'm curious. Let me search emotional most emotional sex scene.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't remember the banging and Titanic.
Speaker 1: There's a reddit about this.
Speaker 3: You don't remember the banging in title?
Speaker 2: I remember the painting and I remember the ship crashing.
Those are the two things I remember.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: The subhead for this reddit post is something blue is
the warmest color? Et Mama tambien. Okay, Now I remember
that portray Lady on Fire.
Speaker 2: I'm saying it was Alexandros.
Speaker 1: Which one? Aren't there several?
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 3: The only one the original I.
Speaker 2: Ever saw that. I was thinking of wild Things for
a second.
Speaker 3: I was thinking of the nod that was not emotional though.
Those are just really hot people.
Speaker 1: Fucking yes, aren't there several sex scenes in cruel intentions?
I mean, yes, I want to Selma Blair and Ryan Philippie.
Speaker 3: Right, but there's the same girl kiss which I think
is pretty hot in the pool?
Speaker 1: Oh no, that's a there's scream, isn't it? What is
the who's the I think it's who kisses Naomi.
Speaker 2: Something Nev Campbell and Annis Richards and wild Things?
Speaker 1: Yes? Yes, okay, so yes, we were we already talking
about that. We covered that. I never saw that movie.
I just like when I was eighteen, my version of
fourn was watching movie sex scenes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it's like a super famous one for anyone
remotely close to thirties or forties.
Speaker 3: Ye, you fix that right.
Speaker 1: You've seen this film Wild Things?
Speaker 3: No, oh my god, we have to discuss this. Wild
Things is one of the greatest films of like is
it nineties of like that era? Maybe it's so fucking good.
Nev Campbell kills it in the role. But you have
to be really careful because there's spoiler city because it's
about it's like all full of like twists and like
who done it? And there's like all these neat stuff
to it, so you really shouldn't look it up. But
like it's really well done, especially for how hot everybody is.
Everyone's so smoking hot. You'd be like, was probably not
a good plot, and you're watching it because you get
to see a full pair of like stunning boobies. But
it's also got an incredibly good plot and really good twists,
and everyone's a good actor. It's a kind of movie.
Speaker 2: I think I might have seen the pool scene. Oh
my god, that's all I need. I think that was it.
Speaker 3: I think I read it continuously gets good. Matt Dylan
is really good in it. Denise Richards kills it like
it's it's awesome. It is like, yes, it's super horny,
and you should watch the sex scenes. They're really great.
But the film itself is wonderful. It's just like people
are dying and there's like money floating around and everyone's like,
who's killing these people for? Like what money? And there's
like master minds going on, and there's a police Bill
Murrian situation. It's very good.
Speaker 2: What Bill Marie it am? I thinking of the right thing?
Bill Murray is like in a neck brace? Right?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I he there's there is a neck brace situation?
Is it Bill Murray? I think I'm not think might be,
but it's it's very well done for how hot everybody is.
Like you'd think it was like a second rate movie
because it's just there's too many good looking people, but.
Speaker 2: It's a cinemax like a Cinemax after dark type thing,
like it had that vibe to it, but it had
like it was a real movie.
Speaker 3: Yes, so I think that's absolutely worth watching in its entirety.
And then you get the bonus of these really great scenes.
But I'm telling you the movie itself is solid.
Speaker 2: It's a watch people like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah you okay, you both have homework? Can you watch
Wild Things please?
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 2: See, I'm interested.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is not a huge ask mic, there's.
Speaker 1: No sure Yeah, okay, okay.
Speaker 2: Do we still not know legitimately romantic, non ironic sex
scene in the history of cinema?
Speaker 1: No, I see there's a few Broke Back Mountain, Lose
the warmest color?
Speaker 3: Uh, I would not recommend blues the warmest colors?
Speaker 1: No, isn't that two kids like high schoolers?
Speaker 3: Yeah? And these scenes are like ten minutes long. Like
I When they say these things, I think they mean
things like Romeo and Juliet, where there's like people like
making out in a pool and it's hot like blues.
The warmest color is as close as you absolutely can
get to it just being like porn with like a
slight plot.
Speaker 1: Oh well, yeah, I was saying, like I'm famous ones.
Speaker 2: Wait, Top Gun Maverick was there one with the Tom
Cruise and Jennifer Connelly, didn't they like, Yeah, I remember
that lady.
Speaker 1: The first time the song came on.
Speaker 2: Oh maybe I thought I remember there being a yeah, okay, oh.
Speaker 3: I was, uh, Witches of east Wick. Have you guys
seen that? It's a classic.
Speaker 2: It's older Susan Sarandon, right, it.
Speaker 3: Was, yes, yeah, and share hello, and it's really really good.
But I couldn't remember exactly what it was called. And
I was just like, what's it called, like Witches of
like Breastwick or whatever. And it turns out that there
is a Witches of Breastwick because they made a porno
nice based on Witches of east Wick and they called
it Witches of Breastwick.
Speaker 2: Boy, that sounds like a real first draft, like we'll
call it, which was a Breastwick, or we'll call it
until we come up with real title. It's like that,
which is they just.
Speaker 3: Did it made it all the way into the final.
Jack Nicholson is in Witches of Eastwick. Yes, it's great.
It's three witches who are all like, they don't actually
know they're witches, and they're sick of men, but they
love men and they're drinking and they're all concocting who
they think is the perfect man. And then it's Jack
Nicholson and he comes into town and he starts seducing
them all and he starts like getting with all three
of them?
Speaker 2: Is Jack Nicholson like an is he like a desirable man?
Speaker 3: So I think what's interesting about this film and Jack
Nicholson in general, is like Jack Nicholson can play like
an absolute psychopath and he can also play a very
charming and charismatic person. And this role contained both of them.
When they're describing in the Witches of Eastwick, when they're like,
should he be handsome? And the girls are like, he
should be, but not too handsome. It should be like,
in a funny way, chrisma with them, And I mean
Jack Nicholson has that in droves, like he's so charismatic
you can't take your eyes off of him, and the
way he portrays this character, who I believe like, although
it's probably up for debate, very like essentially like demonic character.
The more Jack Nicholson plays him, the more you're like, oh,
this guy's like a fucking psychopath. But you also still
can't take your eyes off of him, because he's really
charismatic and enjoyable to look at. But he's just a
freak of nature.
Speaker 2: He just never plays the like I'm just a everyman,
good old boy like he is always like some sort
of like shining or Cuhoo's nest, like, you know, he's
still kind of a wild man like because he's so
good at that. I can't picture him just being like
an everyman character.
Speaker 1: He's got He's got the Easy Rider, five easy pieces
Chinatown era, I think Chinatown when I have been before those.
Have you guys seen an easy Rider?
Speaker 2: I have to really good movie, all those movies.
Speaker 1: Just looking through these sex scenes on this time out list.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Mike was so quiet recently, and I think
he's been looking at best sex scenes of all time porn.
Speaker 2: Oh I saw that, but I don't remember.
Speaker 1: Oh wait, ship, that isn't that? This is the bad one?
This is the last tango in Paris? Why is that on?
This isn't that when she came out saying that she
was not comfortable during that.
Speaker 2: Whole Oh I heard about that. Yeah, Brandon fight Club.
Oh the weird like uh Matrix cam Helena Bonham Carter
or sex that's just like a shot, that's just like
a quick like like matrix rotator around her thing.
Speaker 1: Monsters ball with Thornton, I know the sex scene similar thing.
Speaker 3: Well, Dan can describe this matrix shot.
Speaker 2: A lot.
Speaker 3: You have that like embedded in your brain.
Speaker 2: And that's not even a horny thing for me. That's
just I saw Fight Club a lot as a teenager.
I can tell you, like any scene in that.
Speaker 3: Comes the matrix shot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Brown, Yeah, totally. Man, I haven't seen any of
these fucking movies. Oh, Team America that had a good one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that one's a joke. That's not Sincere.
Speaker 2: It's on this list.
Speaker 3: It's on this list, then it's a bad list. It
should be Sincere.
Speaker 2: This is best sex scenes of all time I'm looking at.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's like a joke. Okay, Like good ones
are like Pretty Woman.
Speaker 2: I haven't seen that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you guys are well they bang in it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you guys.
Speaker 3: The only time you guys can each think of sex
scenes is when the matrix camera has like really shot
up their pussy or like some kind of action sequence
has occurred right after it.
Speaker 2: What I thought about but didn't say when I was
trying to think of movie sex scenes. There's the part
where uh Nicholas Cage and his girlfriend on the roof
when he before he gets called to Alcatraz and they're
about to do it on the roof and he gets
a call from the FBI being like we needed to
go to Alcatraz, and he's like, thresting, this is not happening,
Like I remember that, Yeah, I remember romantic sex there
the ones that matter? Yeah, or like three minutes of
screen times is cage thrusting into her.
Speaker 3: Well, here's the thing, Like these are They're probably made
for different people. When you're googling something like best romantic
sex scenes from the nineties or whatever, these are probably
going to be more targeted towards like my demographics. I
understand why you probably haven't watched them. But the great
equalizer is Wild Things because it's genuinely good and it
has really hot sex scenes. It's it's the perfect blend
of both of our worlds. It's got something for everyone.
I swear to God, I cannot not like.
Speaker 2: I believe it. I believe it from the you know,
three minutes I've seen of that movie. I could see it.
Speaker 1: I've seen that same three minutes many times.
Speaker 2: The best part that's always on TV. When I was
a kid trying to turn it on.
Speaker 3: You know, I was rewinding it and playing it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh it's this many minutes in Okay, it's hearing
at one o'clock on HBO. Guess I'm watching that scrambled
late at night. I'll tune in right, I'll cut away
from Conan right now, and there we go, and then
I'll be done and out of breath and back to Conan,
Back to Conan.
Speaker 1: Okay, just reading these lists of like best secon scenes
of all time, do you ever get like overwhelmed by
how many fucking movies have been made? Like what percentage?
In a good way, but like what percentage of movies
do you think you've seen? I'm curious I have ever
been made and published? Like you're like released.
Speaker 3: We'll say it again, how many what.
Speaker 1: Percentage of like the movies ever made do you think
you've personally seen?
Speaker 2: Well, I've seen one three hundred and nineteen movies according
to my letterbox. That's so much. I'm not saying, oh,
there's a lot more than that, for sure, Yeah.
Speaker 1: But I'm saying, what, I wonder how you even find
that step? But just watching just reading through this list
of like best sex scenes, Like god, there are so
many movies I have not seen and probably never will.
Speaker 2: But there's also you have to like, are we saying,
like theatrically released, because like, you know, it's like how
many games came out this year if you count every
Steam in the every you know, two dollars thing on
Steam or whatever, everything.
Speaker 1: I ever made. But like still I think if you
go to like the Criterion Collection or the Criterion Channel,
I was like, oh my god, I've seen like they're
like film buffs are very impressive to me because I've
I have not seen a high percentage movie. I've seen
a lot of movies in my life, but not you know,
not nearly as much as I could have if I
focus more on it.
Speaker 2: Well, according to a Reddit thread, which is I don't
know if that's better or worse than Google AI, as
of twenty sixteen or twenty seventeen, Hollywood is releasing around
seven hundred films a.
Speaker 1: Year for how long though, But yeah, that's.
Speaker 2: But like thirties. I don't know when film started, but.
Speaker 1: A lot of the movies on this list probably I
wonder what, like what they define as Hollywood because yeah,
to your point, there's a lot of I think acute.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like you don't count like direct the DVD like
Aladdin tow stuff.
Speaker 1: I'm counting that there's like a lot of like indie
gems that people like Chris Plant always tells me about.
I'm like, Chris, I'm not going to watch this, but but.
Speaker 2: Nowadays it's like the streaming stuff too, is like oh okay.
Like Palm Springs is definitely a your last movie, even
though I went straight to Hulu during the pandemic. Yeah, yeah,
it's muddy. I guess we'll never know.
Speaker 1: One day we'll know. I guess we'll never know.
Speaker 2: I've seen thirteen hundred and nineteen. I'm so picky with
my fives. I'm very proud of it. I saw cool movie.
Can I uh, probably less than maybe around twenty I
would say. I want to give a suggestion here. Sorcerer.
Have you heard of this movie?
Speaker 1: Yes? Why? Why is that?
Speaker 2: I actually heard about it? Mary? At your get together
in Portland a good friend of yours that was there.
Chris was telling us about his favorite movie and he
said it was Sorcerer and it's a tangerin dream does
the soundtrack that did the GGA five soundtrack that had heat,
They did a thief of James Cohn, so awesome, awesome soundtrack.
But it stars Roy Scheider, the chief from Jaws and
it's basically it's almost like dest stranding. It's like it
definitely seems like something Kajima would have seen.
Speaker 3: It's like nineteen seventy seven.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's like it's such a cool concept bank
and I had never seen anything like this. It's like
four dudes from different spots in the world all and
I'm not going to spoil anything. They all just gonna
get into shit where they need to like skip town.
So like one of the guys was like a terrorist,
one of the guys was in the mob and they'd
gotten some shit. One of the guys got into a
shaded business thing, need to skip Europe and stuff. They
all wind up in the same like South American village
and they're all just kind of like trying to lay
low off the grid and just going to the shitty
bar and stay low. And all of a sudden there's
a problem at like an oil facility or whatever, and
they need these palettes of extremely volatile dynamite delivered two
hundred miles.
Speaker 1: Oh, this is the truck on the bridge.
Speaker 2: Yes, And it's like a suicide mission where it's like, okay,
we need good drivers too, and so like Roy Schider
plays like a former mob driver, and he has to
drive this like dynamite that's been leaking and will blow
the fuck up if there's like you hit a rock
and he has to drive it two hundred miles. So
it's just a lot of like four dudes trying not
to kill each other and kill themselves like very precariously
transporting dynamite across South America. It is. It is so
tense and cool, and the soundtracks awesome. I fucking loved it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've I think I've seen that truck scene come
up on like most tense movie scenes ever, oh many times.
That's why I recognized the name. I want to watch
this sounds cool.
Speaker 2: I like huge recommendation for it.
Speaker 1: Have you seen Jaws? There's like a bit. Yeah, there's
a shark and it's it sneaks onto the beach and
dances some the middle of the day. Yeah, oh wow, Yeah,
I want to Sorcerer.
Speaker 2: Okay, I've given forty two five stars, so out of
my thirteen hundred plus reviews, I've given thirty six five.
Speaker 3: Staries and you gave a five star to Sorcerer poor.
Speaker 2: And a half.
Speaker 1: What's your most recent five How.
Speaker 3: Dare you recommend something you didn't give five stars too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's good.
Speaker 1: Most recently released, most recent that you rated that you saw.
Speaker 2: Oh is there?
Speaker 1: It doesn't show chronologically.
Speaker 2: Sort by win rated, yes, newest first when no, uh oh,
I guess I went back and uh okay. The last
three were once I rewatched recently, The Wrestler, Alien and Annihilation.
Those three I rewatched in the last year, and it's like, yeah,
those are five star movies. I like, yeah, And before
that was Rambo, Last Blood and Grimlins two.
Speaker 1: So.
Speaker 3: A yes, Grimlins two.
Speaker 2: Yeah, look, Grimlins two is a five star movie.
Speaker 1: I've seen it.
Speaker 5: The sex scene, actually, the last scene in the movie
is the lady Grimlin kissing on the dude and then
like looks at the camera with like lips to cons
all fucked up looking, and then like I think it
might heart fade into the credits or something like that.
Speaker 2: So it's implied that the Gremlin lady had sex with
that Henchman guy. Five stars.
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Speaker 2: That was a part Oh okay, put that was not
That was a crash.
Speaker 3: It looks it sounded like a dog had run into
a box.
Speaker 2: No, I see the waveform on that part that was
I trust me, it was a part. I felt it.
Speaker 3: I mean, I almost want to replay it because I
have to just say, it's incredible to me that your
farts can sound like an animal rustling in Christmas packages
under a tree.
Speaker 1: Or calling through a china shop.
Speaker 2: I think the problem is we talked about Costco earlier.
I bought a giant bag of candy as backup candy
bag because I want to be the full sized candy
bar house. So I bought thirty full sized candy bars
and then if there are more, I've got the backup.
But I have eaten almost all of this bag of
the backup candy in the last it's like, ooh, Halloween's
coming up. I'll throw out the bag after Halloween. But
after every fucking meal, three meals a day, I'm taking
so many fucking Skittles and Twizzlers and Nerds and arrowheads
and Life Savers gummies, and I'm just eating like a
thousand calories of candy a day. So that's what's going
on with the part.
Speaker 1: After three each meal, like after breakfast.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like a lot of skittles after.
Speaker 1: Break it's your breakfast, just skittles.
Speaker 2: No, I'll do I'll do the healthy thing. You know,
it's cool. I had some oatmeal or avocado toast and
then skittletown.
Speaker 3: If you think you smelled your fart, do you think
you could taste the rainbow smell?
Speaker 2: No, it just smelled like a fart. It's still lingering
in here, so so you can tell ye it is not. No,
it's Mary farts in here right now.
Speaker 1: Mary, when you got up to when we got up
to take the break, right before damn left, I was like,
wait a minute, William Freakin directed Sorcerer, why not just
lead off with that? That would have had me right away?
Forgot that part some of the best ones ever. But anyway, Mary,
you've played Zelda now, the Legend of Zelda Echoes of Wisdom.
Speaker 3: Yes, I finally uh got my hands on it. I've
been delayed, but we are in Gody season, so I've
really tried to kick it up and make sure that
I am up to date with the latest that everybody
else is playing. And I I don't know how far
I maybe you guys can help me, but I mean
I have to be like eight or nine hours into
it now.
Speaker 2: I mean, I full on dungeons have you done?
Speaker 3: I don't know. I think it's a little confusing to
know what a dungeon is. Is it when you're in
the cloud.
Speaker 2: World if you got to, well, you do the cloud
thing to like get into it. But like if there
was a big key in it in a boss fight.
Speaker 3: I think I've done two big keys, okay.
Speaker 2: Has the map kind of opened up after that? Like
you did the day with the like, oh, this aura
is playing their flutes and then you died the desert stuff.
Speaker 3: I've done the desert stuff and I've done the water stuff.
Speaker 2: Okay. I think it's right after those two that I
started liking it. Like I liked it at the beginning,
I started really liking it after those two because those
two in particular are really talky and stuff. There's just
a lot of like they're so talky. Yeah, I was surprised.
It's a lot for a Zelda game.
Speaker 3: I appreciate you saying that to me because I've like
skimmed a couple of reviews and I've played it and
so far, although I would not say I dislike it,
it's still Zelda. I mean it's very fun and it's interesting.
I would say it's one of the weaker Zeldas that
I've ever played for a couple of reasons. So far
so far, right, and I have more time to go
with it. But here's like a couple of my issues.
One very talky. I just want to play, dude, like,
leave me alone. I don't understand why everybody wants to
tell me their life fucking story. Two, I felt a
couple times that I was punished for investigating areas early.
And I'll give you an example. In this game, I
find it fairly linear, despite the fact that it is
an open map, right, but they've closed a lot of
spaces off because of the purple cloud shards.
Speaker 1: Or something rifts yeah maybe, yeah.
Speaker 3: The yasma whatever, you know, and it makes it pretty
limited where you can investigate. And in the water area,
I started just scoping around in the water because I
thought it would be fun. And I found this cave
and I was like, that's so cool. I found an
underwater cave and I went through this system and I
got a little uh treasure coat, you know box, and
it gave me fifty rupees And it wasn't that exac
I didn't getn item or anything. But I was like, oh, well,
I got some money and I investigated this little cave
and then I started doing the main story. And then
later on in the main story, they were like, my
son's stuck in a cave, and it took me to
the same cave system I had already discovered and investigated
and enjoyed, but now there was a kid in it,
and I had to redo the exact same cave system
it already had. My my treasure was already opened because
I had already discovered this space it, enjoyed it, and
I just had to They literally made me redo the
exact same puzzles so that I could free the child
who was stuck in the cave systems. And I thought
to myself, you know, if you're gonna punish me, I
don't know if it's a punishment, but like, if you're
just gonna make me redo this because I didn't do
it in order that the game wanted me to do it,
why did you let me do it?
Speaker 2: This is really annoying.
Speaker 3: Yeah, don't let me do it and have.
Speaker 2: Something block it off until a story event happens.
Speaker 1: Or something, or if like in Tears the Kingdom I
feel like if it was a open world Zelda, you
would have come across that kid first, and then you
you what, he would have been like, oh, thanks, you
helped me out, and then he would go back to
the village and then it would adapt. So she's like, hey,
I heard you got my son out, Thank you or whatever.
Speaker 3: One hundred percent thank you. That's exactly what I was
hoping for. It's like, if I had discovered it out
of order, an open world game should have accounted for
that and then told the person my son told me,
you got me out, you got him out, so we
can skip this part of the story. Like there was
just something about it that was like, it's open world,
but if you do that cave system before we want
you to do it, we're gonna make you fucking do
it again because we're not ready for you to do
it yet. And it's just like, well, then it's not
open world.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's I totally get what you're saying. Like, if
a game is open world like that, that was part
of my big argument about Red Dead two is like
big open world Rockstar game, but then like, oh, I
veered from the path for two seconds and the like
failed my mission it's like, well, don't fucking sell me
on this big world.
Speaker 1: And so seldom in Red Dead two, I won't have
happen enough to me. I've got another bonu pick with
you tonight, so I'm just getting warmed up. I wonder
I like, uh, echoes wisdom a plot, but there are
I talked about this last episode. It does feel like
one of the messier Zelda's I've played, even considering like
Breath of the Wild and Tiers of Kingdom's frame rate issues.
This like, I actually, so, I think I've done three
three more dungeons since last we spokes a five total,
so you're near the end. I've got another like three,
I think three dungeons. I think there's six after you
do the two initial ones. Six after wow, yeah, maybe
three or four after two? Like look at yeah, it
looks like there's room for three more. Maybe I've only
done two.
Speaker 3: There's like six items and I only have like one
of them. So there's so many thingies I still need
to get from.
Speaker 2: There's some weird things that you get only if you
do this particular thing and you'll occasionally use It's. Yeah,
it's messy in a few different ways. Like you know,
there's there's frame rate, you brought that up. There's things
where it's like, yeah, it's open, but because you can
break stuff, you can also get to step out of order.
Like from what I'm hearing here, I think we're all
roughly on the same page of this game. Where's I
think we appreciate what it's doing. We generally like it,
but like there are things that annoy us about it
to the point where it's like, I do wonder if
this will place on the top ten for us?
Speaker 3: You know, yeah, I think it's it's it's I have
issues with it, you know, and I am enjoying it,
and I do want to say, like what I'm worried
is that we're holding it to this really high caliber.
Because it's Zelda, I just expect it to be so
fucking perfect. I was shocked that in the first boss fight,
I was like, am I just supposed to throw tables
at it? And like, I think a lot of people
probably had this like weird reaction of like what am
I supposed to do in this boss fight? But usually
in Zelda's they're just so clean about guiding you and
coddling you of what you should be focused on. During
every boss fight, even if it is very open and
you can do it however the fuck you want. In
Tears of the Kingdom, they were always like, so we're
teaching you this very specific skill. The entire dungeon and
the boss fight will also use this skill.
Speaker 2: It's all.
Speaker 3: Yeah, But in the first boss in this game, you're
just stuck with this boss and you can only make
like three things, and so I just kept throwing tables
at it until it died.
Speaker 2: Cool.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the first one was very much just you
gotta warp transform into Link and hit his weak spot like.
Speaker 3: That was why I could not do that. I threw
tables at that bitch for like ten minutes.
Speaker 2: Styles.
Speaker 1: That's one thing like this, even if you're probably very right,
Like if it wasn't a Zelda game, I I wonder
if I even would have played it, because I like
this game a lot of its ideas more than I
like the execution. The so many of the echoes, like
the ones that attack things, their pathing is just awful
and they miss. And I realized that there are things
that are going to be better at The sharks are
gonna be One of the better things. Is someone in
water This far in the some of the birds are
just better at taking out other birds. But like, this
game does feel like a collection of really cool ideas
that it's a bit rough around the edges, and I'm
still really enjoying. I think it's in my personal top
ten of the year, but probably it's very low. It's
just I don't know. I also it just like even
I tried doing what you and Grubb said, Dan and
opening the grid to pick an item, even then, I
was like, I still preferred the just use my go
back to the on the dpad for the most recent
ones because more often than I was using a recent one.
Speaker 2: But like water always there. Yeah, and I don't.
Speaker 1: Know what the solve would be for that. Maybe a
series of rings that you get like Dishonored two style,
like a weapon that you go through.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's just so many and there's a lot.
Speaker 2: Oh and it gets worse. I bet it does, because I'm.
Speaker 3: Very early and I'm like, I have so much shit.
I don't understand why they let you duplicate so many items.
I can see the creativity, but it's also like you're
confusing me, like.
Speaker 2: Two kinds of rocks and then yeah, just so.
Speaker 3: Many types of enemies, and now they've added like enemies
with uh with metal and stuff and statues, and it's
like if these are for puzzles and I'm never gonna
need them again, You're just adding these to my very
full repertoire, and I'm like a little overwhelmed with choice.
Speaker 2: It's like the resident Evil thing where it's like you
use a key. I love it when it's like, hey,
you don't need this any more? Do you want to
throw it away? It's like, oh, thanks for telling me
that game.
Speaker 1: There's I also in a bigger sense, and this might
be unfair, and tell me if it is the fact
that you have this ability to become the character that
we were so excited that for once we were like
getting away from and you use it to do damage.
It's like, why wouldn't I warp into link if I'm
getting frustrated because these birds won't be hitten and like
the Eater. By the time you get to like the
fourth dungeon, the meter is pretty generous.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I was like, hop out kind It's like
it Zelda's game, but you can be like if you
want to do real damage.
Speaker 1: Want to actually do damage, and like, yeah, I'm I'm
I'm definitely meeting the game halfway to do the creative stuff,
and I appreciate for what it's doing, but like, this
feels like a not a first draft. That's very unfair,
Like I don't know this, this feels like it needed
a few more edit pass.
Speaker 3: I agree with you. It feels like a hack week concept.
And then someone was like, I'm making a real game and.
Speaker 1: Say that it but it's still I still think this
is a good game. It's just this is It's like
it gets really frustrating sometimes. But yeah, I really like
when I saw that you could transform into link with
like the robe, I was like, or the sword. Sorry,
I was like I didn't want like I was.
Speaker 2: It was go all the way in if you commit
to the bit and if you're gonna do it. Yeah,
It's funny the the weight that a series name will
will carry into a new game, Like you know, we're
all talking about like your expectations of Zelda going in.
It's got the name on it. And I remember Spirit
Tracks came out for the s and we gave it
an eight a Game Informer, and I remember at the
Game of the Year meetings that year when we're trying
to whittle our list down. Spear tracks came up and
like all of us were shitting on it. We're all
we're all just sitting in the meeting and just being like,
oh man, it's like there's no real overworld. You're just
in these fucking train tracks. It sucks. It sucks. And
I think Andy McNamara or someone was like, well, we
gave it an eight. It sounds like everyone hates it,
and Matt Helgeson was like, yeah, but at Zelda, so
I think it was kind of it was a gentleman's eight.
It was Zelda. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And to be clear, like when Breath of the Wild
kind of came out and did something, you know, big
and bold, I was all for it. And like I
remember during the Game of the Year at GameSpot that
got heated because the only argument people could make against
Breath of the Wild aside from the frame rate issues,
was but it's not a Zelda game.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, oh, shut up, yeah, And.
Speaker 1: I was like and then again, like the more we
talked about, the more like we wrote. Oli Welsh wrote
a really good up at on Polygon when I was there,
like this is the closest any Zelda game. This is
basically they took the idea of the very first Zelda
game but made it in twenty twenty seventeen. So like
in the middle of the map, Yeah, I have fun,
so like in essence, it's the most Zelda ass game
ever made. But again I was like the first one
to fire back. I'm like, I want Zelda to evolve,
and I think, you know, like when it plays with
this structure that we understand as Zelda. Like Mary you mentioned,
like my favorite Zelda games are still I mean, Bretha
Woldteers the King am I almost to my maybe counter
to my point, I almost don't count them among my
Like I'm talking when I say my favorite zeld the
game is my favorite traditional ones like Akarina Majora, like
the sixty four era or I don't know, I really
like Link between Worlds. But I'm all for them for
it evolving. But uh, and I'm very glad I was
a wisdom is even a thing and that it's such
a full fledged Zelda game. But yeah, got it. The
more I play it, the more I'm simultaneously impressed and
frustrated because of the rough edges.
Speaker 2: It's flawed for sure. Yeah, No, I don't think.
Speaker 1: I'll forget it anytime soon, which is more than I
can for some like really tight, boring games.
Speaker 2: We were you know, we will need to figure out
what we're talking about, game of the year and stuff. Here.
We're kind of talking a little bit off mic about
the homework assignments we want to give each other because
literally the next episode is our game of your episode
just insane to think about. So we made a little
doc here of like, okay, games that we think everyone
else should play beforehand, because we're going to talk about
it quite a bit. My two U we'll talk about
more in a bed Echo Point Nova and UFO fifty.
Do you guys have any off the top of your heads?
Speaker 3: Oh, off the top of our heads. We also have
to have maxes for games that we should all play
because I think I think while you can obviously put,
I'm just gonna say this while I buy time for
us to think about our games. But it's like, while
we could all say like, well you better uh put,
Oh my god, I can't even think of any right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like two two two seems fair if you.
Speaker 3: Like is it two? Is it five? Like I'm not
going to play ten, like you're definitely gonna ru fifty.
Speaker 1: Fifty UFO fifties already.
Speaker 3: I ain't gonna play all of them. You better tell
me your favorite.
Speaker 1: Nova was not on my list.
Speaker 2: I will talk about that in the bid here. Did
did you both play Prince of Persia the Last Crown? Yepkay?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah we raved about that the beginning.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, we played about Prince of Persia. I think
that's fair cro country on there. To be honest with you,
I think that's yeah. That's going to be for.
Speaker 1: Those too that that I want to play. Just out
of my own excitement.
Speaker 3: I'll put it on there because I didn't think you
guys would play it, which is why it's probably worth That's.
Speaker 2: What this is for. This is for the homework.
Speaker 1: Going to say, Marry, we've been playing survival horror games together.
Literally the series inspired this game.
Speaker 3: But where have you been?
Speaker 2: What are we doing?
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 2: Well, we'll need to play Rise the Golden Idol. Yeah,
it's coming out between now and the end of the year.
I gotta play the last one under the Wire. I
think Dragon.
Speaker 1: Dragon I need to play. Sorry, I'm glad to see
that's the kind of attitude. I got a bone to
pick with you about a certain game that you want
to Wow.
Speaker 2: Okay, I know where we're going here. Okay, Okay.
Speaker 1: I sat down to Metaphor Refensasio and I was like, okay,
so I'll play and then maybe tonight I'll get to
that part that Dan mentioned that pushed him away, because
I'm sure it's really far into the game.
Speaker 2: It wasn't just that part.
Speaker 1: But you said, how long did you play that game?
Speaker 2: Twelve minutes?
Speaker 1: Twelve minutes? Do you sincerely think that that's giving a
game a chance? No?
Speaker 3: Why did you?
Speaker 1: Why did you? Like? You had this preamble about how
noble you were for giving a game of chance and
meeting it halfway? That was not a bit. Maybe in
retrospect you're painting it as a bit. You were being serious.
You thought that was like being all like high and
mighty and being like.
Speaker 2: Okay, I was because I was open to a personal
growth moment. Am I giving this game a shot? I'm growing? No,
I'm not giving myself any credit because I lasted twelve
minutes for the fuck this shit like, So that's not
personal growth. That's me doing everything I've always done so
now all as a person there, Okay, at.
Speaker 1: Least you acknowledge that.
Speaker 2: Now that we're for twelve minutes, I was a big man,
last big man.
Speaker 1: It's longer than I.
Speaker 2: My anime game about Mike Kings and Magic. Yeah, it's
it's I'm sure it's a really good game.
Speaker 1: Oh man, I'm digging that game a lot. And that's
and that's I'm not going to give that to anybody
like I think Jake and I are the only ones.
Jake's put way more time into it. I can't give
you that. It's one hundred and twenty hours. If you
finish it, that's not happening. Like, I'm not asking to
play it, but for it.
Speaker 2: I'll quit the podcast if you put that on this dog.
Speaker 1: For what it's worth, that game.
Speaker 3: You have the ability to do the funniest thing right.
Speaker 2: Now in the call. All right, you're right, it would
be funny.
Speaker 3: I consider it with my bits fire Escape is canceled
and the funniest bit Dan has ever done.
Speaker 2: It would be really good. Mike, tell us about your
your Magic game.
Speaker 1: I'm fifteen hours in, so not that far. I finished
the first Palace you've done.
Speaker 2: What have you?
Speaker 1: I'm using Palace because that was persona no inenclature. But God,
for as much as that game annoys me, it also
impresses the hell out of me. Like similar to Persona
five and four, those are the only two I've played
very slow start I Also, it's not just I'm fine
with the game being talky as long as it's done well,
and much of this game has actually done surprise like
the Overwooking story I really like. But so many times
the game says eight things when it could just say one.
And also just as often it's almost like they're recapping
every single scene right after it happens. That kind of
writing annoys me. When this game gets out of its
own way, similar to Persona five, when it's talkie and
you know, a meaningful way to like ramp up drama
on the way to your next big mission, then it's
super fun. The momentum gets going. Possibly one of my
favorite RPG combat systems ever. Octopath Traveler two was the
most recent one, or Octopath Traveler one and two where
I was like, oh my god, this is incredible. I
thought Persona five's combat was fine. It wasn't, you know,
it wasn't super building on the earlier on four at
least again that's the only other one I've played in
huge ways, but metaphors Combat is one of those things
where the more I play it, the more I enjoy it,
which in a genre I think many people associate with grinding,
which you can do here. I think that's pretty impressive
using weaknesses to basically chain chain a series of attacks,
as opposed to Persona five, where you use an enemy's
weakness and it stuns them. The objective there was to
stun all them once, so then you could use these
group of attacks.
Speaker 2: Here.
Speaker 1: The weakness does a little bit more damage to the enemy,
but it only costs you half a turn. So then
if you have three characters, that means you have three turns.
If you hit an enemy with a weakness every time,
or get a critical, and there's a few other criteria,
you can actually double that turn count. As a few
people have told me, you can actually start to do
more with that throughout the game. But I'm just finished
the first palace. I love the character designed so far.
Some of the characters are more just more compelling than others.
I'm looking forward to building up my party much more
like you do in Persona. You unlock these new people,
but I also really like the flexibility. I think I've
said this before on fire Escape, but I'm not a
respec person in games. It makes me like, do.
Speaker 2: I appreciate your cheating?
Speaker 1: It's it to me. It's like I have spent the
last like twenty five hours getting into the muscle memory
and like building out this character. Like Dieblo Forore, it's
just as easy. You can refund all your skills. I
appreciate the option, but like it's almost overwhelming to think.
It's like, it took me this long to really feel
comfortable with this character. I don't know if I could
just start from scratch and also have to learn like
eight things at once. Metaphor is one of those games
that it's actually doing a great job of encouraging me
to switch out their archetypes. Those are just their They're
like persone that come in and do their elemental attacks
and their magical attacks. They're healing their buffs, that anything
that's not just using their sword to hit the enemy
in the face. You can swap them pretty much at will.
At a certain point, you also start unlocking new slots
to inherit them skills from other archetypes. So then let's
say you could be the healer, but you can also
inherit skills from the brawler. It was like a job system, yeah, basically,
and there's really no penalty for switching at any point,
aside from the fact that you just won't be progressing
through that archtype skills. The boss fights are generally really
well designed. I've only done like two major boss fights,
have done some other like mini bosses that are just
kind of it's more about the spectacle. And then lastly,
the world building is just unlike anything I've seen before.
I mean, yeah, it's a lot of like fantasy, medieval
florid bullshit. But anytime I'm like, okay, I've seen enough
of this in video games. Then all of a sudden,
like the depot, the dead king will then rise up
out of the castle as this floating upside down volcano
with a lava face, and he'll tell everybody that he's
like he's instituting this contest for the next king. And
then all of a sudden you find out that humans
are like the monsters in this world. So you fight humans.
Speaker 2: Yeah it's crazy, we're the walking dead.
Speaker 1: Yeah we're the monsters, but they're actually monsters.
Speaker 3: So like an enemys, we're actually the people the whole time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it'll be it'll be like a giant bird's egg
with a human face sticking out of it, and then
there's a spear through the length of the egg, so
it looks like your dick. But then he's got like
fishnet stocking legs. It just sounds like a really sexy
mister potato head, I know. But yeah, the enemy design
has definitely got that Atlas trademark at weird Atlas vibe.
Speaker 2: To it all.
Speaker 1: Again, I'm not trying to sell you too. It especial
because it's a hundred twenty hours, but I'm liking it
a lot so far. And you know, Jake has told
me that the combat keeps getting better, which I'm excited
about because anytime I feel like I've really wrapped my
head around everything, it does introduced things at a good clip.
So I'm gonna keep playing see if the impressive moments
outweigh the frustrating moments, which again, so many times I'm like,
all right, done with I I appreciate talking, but you
just said the same thing four times in a row,
and I just want to I'm trying to ask through
the thought bubbles or the dialogue bubbles, et cetera. So yeah,
we'll see, we're gona keep playing it. Okay, cool Dan?
What is Echo Point Nova? Did I say that correctly?
Speaker 2: Echo Point Nova? This? Have either of you heard of this?
Speaker 3: No? I'm shocked. I looked it up because I hadn't
heard of it, and it's so odd to me that
this has never come up before. I don't even how
did you find this? This is a first person A couple.
Speaker 2: Of people specifically brought it up to me as sounding
like a Dan ass Dan game. I think Bonk and
Grub both were like, have you heard of this game?
You should check this out, and they were right. It
is super open world, just a bunch of sky islands,
and instantly you were just like dropped in no fucking story.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: And it's just like you're getting weapons, you're getting abilities,
like okay, you're here's your double jump. Now you got
a grappling hook and you can grapple clouds. You can
just like swing around these sky islands by grabbing clouds.
You can grapple enemies and go to them. You have
a hoverboard, so your sprint button basically at any point
whipped out like a hoverboard and you're like just wall sliding,
sliding up these islands, just going crazy. It is. There's
agility orbs like crackdown. So there's all sorts of like, okay,
you got this next ugility thing. You now have a
quadruple jump, and now you've got this butt stump that
makes this explosion happen. And it's just a bunch of
like platforming around these islands. And then there's a combat
arenas on the islands where it's like, okay, press this
button to start the arena and here's twenty four dudes
and you're just hoverboarding around, slowing down time, grappling to people,
fucking running into them with a hoverboard and sending them
flying off an island. It is like weird physics and stuff.
It is the most dewey ass game you could ever imagine.
It all feels so good, almost like JANKI in a
good way where it's like I should not be able
to be vertically hoverboarding up this island while shooting a
bunch of dudes to it. It is. It is. So we
did a co op stream on Giant Bomb and it
was a blast. It was like I was loving it.
Solo and then we got four of us in there,
and it's just four of us hoverboarding around, just doing
crazy flips and killing everyone. It is. It is a
game made for me, and I think I think both
of you could appreciate equip it actively and make for
a pretty good page run video.
Speaker 1: The Steam like, uh, the Steam trailer just video gameplay
is mesmerizing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just super fast paced. It is, but you
feel like you have set.
Speaker 3: A part of it doesn't seem like it. There's no,
it's not like a speed runny game, but it has
a visual style that it's like a speed run game,
but it's not.
Speaker 2: No, it's not like titan Fall meets like a your
foot game. It's kind of got that look to it
where it's like it looks like it should be a
speed run thing, Mary, but it's like you can take
your time, and like there's parts if you don't activate,
like a combat encounter, you could really just spend as
long as you want exploring, like opening up the map
and getting agility orbs, and like it's very generous with
spawn points and stuff. Basically anytime you're on solid ground,
it's just like okay, you can spawn here, you can
fast travel here. It's like there's no barrier to having
fun here. You're just hopping in immediately immediately getting all
these abilities fast travels, easy deaths, are quick respawns. Uh.
You know, all all the weapons level up individually just
by using them, so like, oh, I'm using this grenade
launcher a lot. Oh now the explosion has a bigger radius. Oh,
now I've got these HG rounds for it. You unlock
skins like unlockables for all the different weapons. Grenade's on
a cool down, so it's not a lot of like
collecting stuff. It is a Oh man, it is a
game made for me. It is fantastic. So it went
from me not knowing what it was to very quickly
into my time with it being like, oh, this is
going to be on my top ten for sure. This
is awesome.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I was seeing a quote that it looks like
titan or it plays like Titan Fall meets Doom meets
Tony Hawk.
Speaker 2: I think that's a great way to put it.
Speaker 1: It also kind of looks like Edge Runner, was it.
Speaker 2: It is made by the developers of Severed Steel, which
I don't remember if I played that, but it was
a similar Yeah, platforming speed thing. Yeah, but checking recommendation
it is a great. Oh it's an amazing podcast game.
If you just want to have something on the background
and just go to town, you're not going to miss anything.
It's great.
Speaker 1: Are you playing on with mouse and keyboard or a controller?
Speaker 2: I was playing on controller until we did that multiplayer
stream and everyone peer pressured and mocked me for playing
a first person shooter with a controller, and I switched
the mouse and keyboard. It's like, man, there's a whole
bunch of more buttons and you can ham realm. Turns
out it maybe these kids with their mice and keyboards,
this new fan thing might might.
Speaker 3: Be onto something in PC gamers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe they're onto some that's thing. I play pacy
games all the time, but just always with the controller.
But yeah, it's uh.
Speaker 3: I like a controller. I like the way it fits
in my hand, and I like the way it feels
for everything except for an FPS. When you're playing an FPS,
that's when it changes because you want the mouse for
your retical for everything else. I do really like a controller.
Speaker 1: I still think like with a game like this where
it's like wall running and sliding and whatnot, that never
feels as set. I prefer mouse and keyboard most of
the time, but that never feels as satisfying to me
on a mouse and keyboard.
Speaker 2: Well, I feel like, like with stuff like grapple hooks
and stuff like that, I feel like it is more
natural for me at least to hit LB instead of
like Q. You know, like it feels like you're doing like,
you know, a bunch of stuff with their hand. Here,
it's like, oh fuck, I gotta go over this. Wait,
what was croudch It's almost a little too much where
it's like my brain maps to a controller easier. But
it's probably just because I didn't grow up playing PC games. Yeah,
but that's how I think. I think both of you
would enjoy it quite a bit. It's it's a lot of.
Speaker 1: Fun, all right, Cool, I'll play it.
Speaker 2: Cool Mary.
Speaker 1: What's night Trap? Okay?
Speaker 3: This is a short one. It's the Night Trap. I
was told that Vinnie has played this before and it's
like a thing, but I had never heard of it.
If you look up.
Speaker 2: The yeah, like live.
Speaker 3: Action and you have to sometimes. I've never played it.
I've never played.
Speaker 2: Al Gore's wife, Tipper brought this to Congress and was
very upset about it. Mortal Combat rating system stuff. Yeah,
that's right.
Speaker 3: So I what I'm bringing up?
Speaker 5: Gore?
Speaker 2: Who's Trap? I'm old? Who's Al Gore?
Speaker 3: Who's Tipper Gore? Imagine I imagine naming someone Tipper.
Speaker 2: Hillary Clinton was involved.
Speaker 3: To my mad and friend Silver invited me to play
a Halloween game on their stream and I was allowed
to pick any game I wanted, and I was searching
through all these different Halloween games and I have not
played this, and everybody else knows about it, and it's
obviously very beloved and known in game or lore. And
I was like to say, I guess that's true because
I beat it and it took I think it took
three hours for me to get through this son of
a bitch. It is very complicated, but it's also a
beloved game where it's live action of a party or
maybe yeah, like a teen party, where things go wrong
and you hit the traps that grab people that either
save the day or if you miss too many of them,
and it's insane the percentage of uh you have to get.
I think it's like if you go under seventy five
percent or seventy percent of the times, you're supposed to
trap people. You just lose, You just straight up lose,
and then you have to do it all over again.
And so it's a really annoying mechanic and poorly executed
before it's time. Quite innovative with the fact that, like
you're looking at all these different screens in security cam
footage to know which trap to hit at the right
time to stop these teams from essentially dying. And it's
crazy how interesting and innovative it was probably at its time,
and how it's probably inspired a lot of games that
are modern and beloved now, like Five Nights at Freddy's Right,
where you're like skipping through security cams to find out
which one you should be looking at it any given time.
It's not scary, it's more like funny and a bit
of a joke for eighties style humor. But I had
a really good time playing it. I think, like, I'm
glad it's in my gamer repertoire now, like I'll probably
like bring it up. And then the lore that everyone
talks about is that this game was how it came
to be that now we have ESRB ratings because I
guess there was a scene where a girl is like
in a ninety and she gets like grabbed, she gets killed.
It's not like syringe, like a like a needle in
her neck, but it's it's it's not to injector. It's
like like a rod goes into their body and they die.
And that's the footage that they gave the government, which
was like you have to start monitoring these games because
they're killing scantily clad women in them, and that's how
we got the ESRB.
Speaker 2: Well, and yeah, that's the thing is like that was
so like you know, early nineties, and you know, up
until then, it was like pixels and ape and stuff.
Mario and they really freaked out with Mortal Kombat being
digitized actors and night Trap and it's like these are
people and where these are realistic depictions of violence in
something that is like definitely then seen as this is
a children, these are toys. This is for children. And
so yeah, Tipper Gore and Hillary Clinton like brought them
to Congress being like, look at this shit. We cannot
allow this. This needs to be regulated. And so yeah
that at the time, it was like a thirteen m
a seventeen. Like I remember that being like when I
was reading video game magazines back then that was the
hot topic is like, oh god, have games gone too far?
Is this going to ruin a generation of children? And
Night Trap and specifically alas seeing that fucking screenshot of
the girl with the big cartoon syringe in her neck
and then you'd be like next to a picture of
like sub zero holding ahead with the spine coming out
of it.
Speaker 3: So where'd you It's actually relatively tame, Mike, have you
seen any footage of this game? Are you like looking
at it? It's like, yeah, it's a it's relatively tame, Like, yes,
there are some like sexy people in it, but it's
nothing sinister or like really slutty or gory happens at all.
Speaker 2: No Wild Things.
Speaker 3: It's No Wild Things, which does have a rating I
believe of R and has really earned it for really
big titties all up in your face.
Speaker 2: That's what the arm meats.
Speaker 3: It's incredible they really did earn that. Night Trip is
like when you trap someone, it'll it'll be like they
go in a hole and it's like what happened to them?
And it's like, well you killed them, and it's like
but nothing, you don't see them die like you don't
hear them. It's just a hole.
Speaker 1: It's like the Megan Fox from Teeth, except it's a
bigger one.
Speaker 3: Yes, and I don't think it earned the ESRB rating system,
but it took me three hours to get through it.
I probably won't play it again for fun, but I
could absolutely see myself like putting this game in to
show a niece or like a family member or a
friend and be like, you have to play this absurd
game that I cannot believe existed, and it's got good lore.
Nineteen ninety two is when it came out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like as a historical piece, it's like an important
moment in video games as much as like the game itself.
I feel like if it wasn't for the controversy, it
would just be another one of those like FMB games
of the early nineties where they didn't have that stuff
figured out yet. But because of the controversy, it really
is an infamous Yeah, well, not.
Speaker 3: Too much more to say about it. I'm glad I
played it. I'm glad that silver Streak, who also streams,
he was the one who like came up with the
idea and was like, let's play a horror game. Uh yeah,
that's the secret and it's funny, like a lot of
people probably knew that, but for anyone who didn't know,
that is the lore of night Trap and the ESRB
rating system, which is pretty interesting history.
Speaker 1: With Mary as our first segment, we'll be doing that
every single episode. Mary, now you need to bring in
a little history tidbit to every episode.
Speaker 3: I have a really nice song for it.
Speaker 1: The more you know, yeah, Dan, I saw you're playing
Black Ops six.
Speaker 2: Yeah, holy shit. I feel like I went from really yeah,
I played every Call of Duty a lot, you know,
pull on like prestiging numerous times, from like you know,
Call of Duty two on the three sixty up until
god like there's infinite warfare, advanced warfare ghosts, Like I'm
still doing every entry then and like I think the
one where I started fall off the every year was
like Black Ops four. Was that the one that was
like mainly war zone there was no campaign, there was
no campaign. And then it went back to like I
didn't play w DOWE two. I just like that's been
done to death.
Speaker 1: What you just said w w E two.
Speaker 2: No I didn't, Yes you did, No, I didn't w
W two. I might have said it weird. I played
the business.
Speaker 1: World War two. I'm sorry, I thought you said w
w E two. Okay, No, World War two, Yes, okay,
it was.
Speaker 2: It was a shoot. It really happened. So so I
fell off. Yeah, Black Ops four, w DOW two. I
didn't play a lot of what was after that.
Speaker 1: I didn't play Cold War Vanguard, the other World War
two one.
Speaker 2: Yea, I didn't play Banger So like I feel like
I've been on a break from call of duty for
the first time in a long time, uh, and coming
back to it like Ship this well, I mean I
played the moderwork for one remake. I played the ship
out of Monterwork for one remake didn't play much too,
And that didn't have a real campaign right like.
Speaker 1: Two and two did. But it was very much like
just a series of gimmicky missions back to back.
Speaker 2: I make a three remake.
Speaker 1: There's a matter of work for three that was last year.
Yeah it was, but it was it was universally panned.
Speaker 2: Oh that's right, Okay, so I think there were reasons.
Speaker 1: That Shriyer had reported it was be DLC at first, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so yeah, there are numerous ones I've not played,
but man, this one. You know, I saw were you
saying like, oh, this is like a breath of fresh
air for the campaign. I was like, okay, cool, I've
always been a campaign guy more than I was multiplayer
and it is so good. I'm like, i think I'm
over halfway through now. Incredible pacing. It is just like
a ton of variety. It is really getting away from
that Steve Frosty who uh military stuff and way more
Mission Impossible twenty four. Yeah, It's like there's like but
that's what I'm with. Like the variety. There's like a
lot of like espionage tech missions like remember that one
and uncharted sneak into the like auction, the art auction
and stuff stuff like that. Where it's a Bill Clinton speech.
It's like prior to the ninety two election, and you're
like you see Bill Clinton and he's just up there
and on a stage and you're like, you know, do
I want to go talk to the senator's wife at
the bar? Do I want to go do this? And
I got to get a retinal scan of this guy,
very James Bondy type stuff. And then the next thing
will be like you're in a desert storm and it's
like a small open world, a desert area where it's like, okay,
you can just go destroy these three scud missile sites,
or you can go around and like there's some dudes
down in the helicopter crash over here, there's some supply
drops over here, there's SAM sites here, And if you
do all that stuff, you're getting more cash to build
up your base between missions.
Speaker 1: You're more in that particular mission. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you get the chopper gunner and all that stuff.
So it's like I literally did every single thing on
the every point of interest. I got the trophy for
that because I was just having so much fun, like
driving around in a jeep, just like even little encounters
that like you know, aren't like when I think call
of duty campaigns, I think very scripted, just like here's
the part what this happens, and here's the part where
you repel down to whatever. And so there was something
free about like, Okay, it's open. I'm driving around a jep.
I see two guys on patrol. Hang on, let me
park the jeep. I'm gonna crawl up on this hill
and snipe these two dudes. Get back in the jeep,
and it's it feels different and fresh.
Speaker 1: It's got a really nice quality of life touch. I
don't know if you've noticed. If you're not detected and
you've got your scope on an enemy, one of your
teammates will say, don't do that. That's gonna alert somebody.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't take that shot.
Speaker 1: It shows you they Basically it's an audio way to
tell you, like a diegetic way to tell you they
are in someone's sideline.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, it's really seamless, nice touch.
Speaker 1: I don't remember a game doing that before. I mean
they're a game. There's stell games that like you could
see the site lines. But yeah, it was a nice touch.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. So it's like that open world thing I
absolutely adored. And then it just goes right into another
mission where it's like, okay, I'm at the point out
on the story where it's like getting weird in a
way that Call of Duty typically doesn't. And so it
started like doing something I won't spoil anything, but it's
just like, oh, okay, we're doing that, Okay, cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, as I said, you know what I played, So
I played the whole campaign. I'm curious what mission I.
Speaker 2: Mean, I just went into like a research facid I
had to get door cards. I just finished that one. Okay, yeah,
that's right. And so that was a crazy mission. And
like even the weapons stuff you're getting, it's doing the
thing where it's like, yeah, it's early nineties, but also,
fuck it, here's a homing knife that you can steer
in mid air and remotely detonated like crazy shit like that.
That's like didn't happen really, but it's plausible enough to like, oh,
this super secret Black Ops thing had these experimental weapons,
and it like when you call in the kill streaks
and campaign you're piloting the missiles down in the open
world areas. That all feels great. It is a I
am amazed at how much I'm loving this campaign. It
is really really good, and like to the point where, shit,
I used to like multiplayer Call of Duty a lot.
Maybe I'll play more of that just because I'm loving
this game so And I also wonder, like I feel
like back in the day, it was always just like, Okay,
here's the Infinity Ward one, here's the tray Erk one,
here's Infinity Ward Okay, now we're bringing in a sledgehammer,
and now we got three. Is this I haven't really
followed a lot of the like lead up to this
one or the marketing. Is this just kind of like
Activision and we've got help from Raven and all of
these studios. Are they all kind of working together on
this or is it like predominantly Trey Arc since they're
the Black Ops teams.
Speaker 1: So Trey Arc got four years to work on this,
which has oh okay, yeah, because wait, why is that?
I believe that's because Modern War for three became a
full fledged game when it wasn't originally supposed to. So
they had four years since Cold War which is basically
Black Ops five now based with a new number, so
they had four years. There's been some shakeups. It sounded
like things were sketchy at Sledgehammer for a bit. I
don't know what is gonna I don't know what's going
happening going forward. But to your point, I don't think
it's the same exact like concrete rotation as it used
to be.
Speaker 2: Well, I would love if this is like get everyone
all hands on deck and wait a few years between them.
Like I'm I'm sure that the money situation them to
do every year, but shit, them having four years to
make this one led to this, Like, this is the
best call of dude I've played in a long time.
Speaker 1: Have you you dabbled? Are you you're a zombies guy
at all? Called dody Zombies, I never, like some people
really liked it. I just never liked zombie aesthetic stuff.
Speaker 2: And like even just the like I felt like every
Zombies mode was like, Okay, I got to figure out,
like I grab the doll and turn it up down
and put inside the ferris wheel and then I you know,
would tap into secret code and then I can like
get a special dollar. Yeah, and then I can put
two more boards on this window. I just I never
really like zombies that much.
Speaker 3: Yeah, something to do with friends, though, Like the whole
point of it is it that it's supposed to be
like really brilliant. It's like that you're getting six buttons
that you can finish the hat so that you can
put it on the cat's heads, so that you can
get an extra nail. And that's what's fun about it
is it just gives you shit to do with your friends.
Speaker 2: Look, I got Eco point Nova. Now we gotta have boards.
I'm good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, fair enough, Mary. I'm curious if you get time
to just dabble in zombies and all. There's two maps. Now,
Liberty Falls is very much like a Stranger Thing style
small town and like Appalachia, that is the more like
intro one where yeah, you can once you get the
pack a punch machine and you're upgrading your weapons, you
can unlock these zip lines from tops of buildings. It's
a really pretty clean like incline towards this church. Everybody
will be like, Okay, I gotta go pack a punch
this new level five wepon I just got, Let's go
back to the church, and then you'll fight your way
back up. Every once in a while you'll get a
syringe that turns you into one of the berserker enemies,
so you just start like hammer punching zombies. And then
there's a second one called Terminus. That is what you're
talking about, Dan, That's that Terminus is like made for
the like Easter Egg diehards who want to see like
the secret stuff.
Speaker 2: I appreciate that they're doing that. Yeah, they go big
for the diehards, but I just I don't think I'm
one of them. No.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's definitely like a core group of freaks that
like it, and I identify as one of those people.
I just think like it's core value the zombie mode.
Like I used to always get really into like different
modes of games that do that. For example, when Team
Fortress had like a tower defense mode, I was all
in on stuff like that, where other people were like, no,
I just want to play like regular Team Fortress and
I was like, you fools, this is super fun to
like fight hordes and hordes of machines that come through,
And this is the same for me. It's just it's
just a silly way to play a totally different style
of game, and with all the fun guns that you
enjoy playing, but it's mostly cooperative play is the only
reason you would enjoy it. If I was by myself,
I would not play this mode at all. If I
have three buds, that's all I want to play.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, I guarantee you at some point here we
will do a giant bomb stream where we get four
of us together and do it, and I'll be like,
that was a great time. Like you know, even if
I don't necessarily know every Easter Egg or whatever, it's
four players, you will have.
Speaker 3: Fun with your friends playing like the zombie mode of
these games. One hundred percent. It's why they keep making them.
They're like beloved and they're genuinely like a joy to play.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, uh So overall, I can't say enough. I
normally like a little over halfway through the campaign from
what I've seen, Mike might have played more. Is it
just you don't have to say anything in particular obviously,
but like does it keep getting weird?
Speaker 1: Uh? The research mission? I would say the research facility
is definitely tonally weird getting weird.
Speaker 3: But can I just say, wouldn't the question me does
it get weirder?
Speaker 2: Sure?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, because it does not get like tonally as
it's it calms down tonally. However, you have not seen
every kind of mission yet, like mission structure.
Speaker 2: See that makes me more excited than anything, because I
think that is like I'm trying to recall a duty
campaign is just like it.
Speaker 1: Would if I I don't think you've done there's a
mission coming up very soon that when you said, it's like,
it's like mission impossible. This this game to me feels
like what was I telling a friend? The campaign is
like if Steven Soderberg and wild things like yeah, exactly, no,
but there's there's a mission coming up where it's it's
playing with the structure of what a Call of Duty
mission is. And then there's another one that takes pretty
clear inspiration from a series I know you love. Oh okay,
and that's there's there's those two. I try to remember
how many are yeah, because it's like an eight hour campaign.
Is the series twenty four no sorry, video game franchise?
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, okay, okay, yeah, okay. That that's really exciting
to hear because like, as much as I've liked prior
Call of Duty campaigns, there'd be variants like oh, here's
the sniper mission where you're sneaking around and the you know,
the the ferris wheel or whatever, but like it's still
you're going from A to B and you're shooting dudes
with guns. Oh yeah, no, the rest this is totally different.
Well ick op six.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to even think what the most linear mission
would have been, like the first the intro probably.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the intro, like yeah, but it's cool how it
does that because it starts you and just like, okay,
here you are, You're in kuwait, and uh, this is
a Call of Duty mission. It's just you know, downside, shoot,
talk to a guy, he gets shot, whatever, and then
pretty quickly it's just like all right, here's a totally
and now for something completely different. You know, it's awesome.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm curious what you think about the rest. Uh,
it's definitely it's it's not just like on Rails missions.
The rest of the game for sure awesome.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm all the way in.
Speaker 1: But yeah, Mary, if you get the chance dabble in zombies,
I'm curious what you think.
Speaker 3: I would like to. It's it's something I always really
enjoy doing and like that would get me to play
with friends for sure, Like I would love to play
that mode.
Speaker 2: I know who were constantly just like, oh we should
do that for a player for fire Escape, and then
we find time this should be maybe if this would
be a good well.
Speaker 3: I mean even for Giant Bomb as well. Dan, Like
that's the type of thing like give me a ring
a ding ding Like, yeah, yes.
Speaker 1: You guys play anything else? Mary, you play something?
Speaker 3: I have one more. I played more Nevah. I've really
really liked it and I just want to say I
think that it should be played probably before Godie, I
think it is worth maybe if I'm only allowed to
put two. I have to think about it a little deeper,
but like I do think it's just an incredible growth
from Greed and so now that I've like put more
time into it, I just think that it has become
quite a puzzle platformer that is staying in my memory.
It gets good and so for someone who likes puzzle
platformers and Dan, I know you like those two, it
is really well done. And I was heavily impressed by
especially the secret I don't know flower areas. So like
essentially there's lots of puzzles and sometimes you'll be like, oh,
but there looks like there's a little secret up here,
but it's really hard to get to. And if you
put in the extra energy to figure out the platform
puzzle to get up there, there's like a little flower
that you just get to touch and that's it. But
it's it pushes the player to be able to get
to these like secret spaces and you don't have to
do them, they're all optional, but getting them is like
a total rush because they're hard to get anyway. I've
I've found a lot of joy and never and I
think it is an absolute gem of a game. For
twenty twenty four. So I just wanted to say, after
the completion of Never, I think it's an absolute wonderful
game and I really enjoyed my time with it, and
I think it's beautiful. I think it's smart and a
good platformer, and you there's like a fun little wolf
in there. You can't go wrong. It's probably one of
the prettiest games of the year. Easy. So do you
like visual aesthetics? Neva got tho es. Dude, it's so pretty.
I can't believe how ori it got in this next one,
and like it's not a metroidveny. I just want to
set that tone.
Speaker 1: Not at all.
Speaker 3: It's like a limbo with puzzly platformer styles, but aesthetically
it's so pretty and it has some or stuff like
for example, like yeah, when you have like run from
the waves in or like it has that too, or
it's just like a system where you have to like
run through a series of obstacles quickly. So I think
that's neat sequence. Yeah, I think it's great. So that's
all I wanted to say. It's a short one. I
just I just think it's I think it's fantastic. I
was very impressed with it by the time I was
done with it. But in the homework slot, No, it's
just if I only get two homework slots. I have
to be very careful. I have to be very this
is like a strategic thing.
Speaker 1: I too are Dragon Age, Valguard and metaphor re Fantasio.
Speaker 2: You have to I've been quitting the podcast.
Speaker 1: I haven't played val Guard. I'm eye for what it's worth.
I'm excited to play vol Guard because it's it sounds
like it has a strong mass effect to structure vibes,
which I'm looking forward to. Dan, I'm surprised. So you
played a Batman VR game.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I just heard some early buzz saying like, oh shit,
this is this is a real good one. And you know,
I'd always hoped that like there would VR gaming in
general would get to a point where it's kind of
worth like booting up the thing and loading it, like
filling the battery because just sat in a closet for
a long time. This is an awesome game. This is
a worthy of like the Batman Arkham name. It really
takes all of the feelings. It's not as open world
as like it's certainly not Arkham City where you have
this giant map or anything like that. But I think
most importantly, the combat is there, and I think the
predator sneaking around, you know, jumping on gargoyle stuff is there.
It's not perfect because, like I think your instinct is
you'll get into a fight as Batman and you wanted
to start throwing you know, fists and everything, and it
is a little deliberate. It's almost like a lot of
VR Rhythm games where it's like, okay, a yellow circle
shows up and that means a straight punch, and then
it's like an arrow going this way means okay, left punch,
uppercut this way, So you kind of have to dial
a combo type thing. You can't just like flail around
and it works. But once you get used to that,
it throws in really fun things in the combat where
it's like, let's say you start punching a guy and
just the number five shows up in a circle. That
means you can just throw five punches and do full
on just Batman, just they're just fucking dude up. And
then like oh, it'll tell you to like bring both
arms down and that like takes his head and just
brings it up into your knee and fucks them up
in the combat. You know, normally you see a guy
in the Arkham games and there's like lightning mother head
and you hit why and you know, counters them. This
one it shows you that same type of symbol, but
you just need to move either hand in that direction
to interrupt their thing and compo. So like you'll be
beating the shit out of one dude. You see it
someone coming in from the right. All you do is
like stick your right hand out and then your perspective changes,
fucking that dude up. Like all of that stuff works
really well. You're like sweep in your cape. If you
hold a trigger and move your hand, it'll like sweep
the cape to stun them. All of that shit works
really well. There is a little bit of a learning
curve is maybe too sphere of a turn, but like
it takes them getting used to basically, but it all
kind of makes sense and feels right in the moment.
And the sneaking around, grapple, hooking around batter rang stuff,
like the batterraing is on your chest, so you just
like reach to your chest, you grab it, you throw it.
Like a lot of R games have that look down
and grab something a gun or an AMMO cartridge from
your body, and it doesn't work that well. Here I
was so rarely like fucking up, like, oh I meant
to grab a smoke bomb, but I grabbed the batter
rang Like no, it tracks very well. Like this feels
like an extremely well made VR game and smart stuff,
Like to activate the detective mode, you put your hand
up to your head and you like pull the trigger,
so like, it's so fun to walk into a room
and you're trying to find clues and you're like like
you tap the cow and Batman vision like all that
shit's really cool. It feels exactly like I would want
an Arkham game in VR to to feel like, yeah,
very very impressive. Mean, I might play through this whole game,
and I don't know if I've ever played through an
entire VR game, like you know, Half Live Alex included,
So yeah, loving it.
Speaker 1: What are you playing on specifically a quest?
Speaker 2: It's only on the Quest three?
Speaker 1: Oh okay, gotcha, it's not it's only on the three specifically, Yeah, specifically, I.
Speaker 2: Don't know if it's okay. Yeah, works, works really great.
Speaker 1: I'll try it out in town.
Speaker 3: I saw if I could just be that guy for
a second. I saw a Reddit post on our Gaming
about the Batman VR game, and the post was like,
I thought that I had been able to break the game,
but the game knew what you know, knew how to
outsmart me. And so you're Batman and VR and there
are these bars and all you have to do is
get your batter rang. Is that what it's called, Yeah,
your batthrower device, and you have to hit a lever
on the other side of the Yeah, but there's bars
in the way, so it's obviously trying to get you
to figure out a puzzle. But in VR, the guy
like maneuvered the batter rang in between the bars, you know, physically,
and he threw it and it hit an invisible wall.
Speaker 2: Oh really okay.
Speaker 3: And so the game had like had a feature to
prevent you from cheating. But my reaction to that video
is is like, that's actually a bummer, because if you're
thoughtful enough to maneuver the battom rang to go in
between these bars and hit the lever, that should have worked.
And instead of coming up with a clever in game
design function, like I don't know, maybe there's a box
over the lever or something like that. They just put
an invisible wall, which I think was limiting considering the
amount of creativity that you would expect someone in VR
to be able to display in that game. I would
have liked them to come up with something a little
bit more interesting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for real life, if Batman could get his arm
in there, that would count, you know, I.
Speaker 3: Agree, And like a whole part of the cell of
VR is that they're selling an immersive experience that you
get to feel like Batman. And Batman is smart. He
outsmarts his way out of a lot of situations because
that's the kind of person he is. And I feel
like a real Batman in that situation would shove his
arm through the bars and just dink the batome rag
into the candle. So I thought that was interesting.
Speaker 2: See Batman being smart. That said, my a lot of
my joy out of this comes out of being dumb
ass Batman, where it's just like I'm kicking dudes asses
and then Batman's just crouch chopping him and stuff, and
like you can see the cow, you can see like
you look down, you see you feel like Batman. It's like, uh,
Professor Gordon, what's this fucking commissioner. Gordon will be like
talking to you, like showing you this like super serious film,
and I'm like shoving my finger in Gordon's nose. I'm
like throwing beer bottles at him, like I'm just like
asshole Batman, Like it's very fun for me.
Speaker 3: You're still rich, though, so they can't touch you.
Speaker 2: What are they gonna do? Yeah, yeah, even if.
Speaker 3: But whether or not you're smart or stupid, what they
can't take away from Batman is he's rich as fucking untouchable.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he'll throw a beer bottle at your head. It's fine,
you can.
Speaker 3: Get away with it.
Speaker 1: I want to try that out at some point. Yeah,
all right, I think it's all the games. You guys
want to do some emails, sure, okay. As always, you
can write into Firescape cast at gmail dot com with questions, comments, concerns.
Maybe we'll read your questions on the air like a
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who haven't signed up yet. Okay, we have our friend,
doctor Fernando wrote in Dan figured you should be the
one to read this since you met him.
Speaker 2: Sure, Hello, fire Escape. I was going to wait to
email until after I watched Dan's recommendation Annette, but after
the last episode, I realized I should probably check in
my apologies. I had a busy two weeks went to
a big medical conference in La full of nerds who
love infections. They actually had an interesting booth by a
company called Nerdcore Medical that makes a board game that
they described as a hybrid between D and D and
Magic the Gathering, except it's all antibiotics and bacteria designed
as fantasy characters and creatures. I spent the following week
negotiating and signing a new job contract and being on
call at the hospital. So between those events and the
intermittent poop city Slam of Jamas, I have been busy.
I had a great time with Dan and Jersey and
it was refreshing to learn that Mary actually loves the
soundboard and thinks that Dan is brilliant and private. Dan
is Wow. Anyway, I'll get back to you soon after
I watched the movie. Thanks for existing, love, Fernando. Oh,
thank you so much, doctor Fernande. Oh hell yeah.
Speaker 3: Did you reaffirm that I am not upset in person
to Fernando?
Speaker 2: What? No, I honestly don't remember that. It was like
our second bar. I was pretty toasty by the time
we talked to bullshit.
Speaker 3: First of all, you're a lightweight. You should be able
to at least go four bars before you're blackout.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Wow, I wouldn't blackout. I was just pussy, pussy pussy.
Speaker 3: Somebody take him home. This guy's at the second bar.
Speaker 1: Can I'm the one that's with the toxic masculinity. Yeah.
Speaker 2: When I blackout, I just go to bars and talk
to people about a net.
Speaker 1: We just happened to be a fire escape fan.
Speaker 2: Ooh that out of sex thinge in it? That was like,
not ironic. He was singing into her vagina.
Speaker 1: That sounds ironic.
Speaker 2: No, it's presented very straight. We love each other so much.
He's singing into her vagina as he's down there doing
god knows what.
Speaker 1: Oh, I know what he's doing. H he's driving.
Speaker 2: Well, thank you doctor for doctor Fernando's great. Which, by
the way, Doctor Ryan. So people were trying to nark
and saying to Doctor Ryan on a giant bomb chat recently,
like did you see this is virescap said they got
a new doctor. They got doctor Fernando. Now, no one's
been replaced, no one's Look, people have numerous doctors. All right,
Doctor Ryan, My neck's all fucked up. If I got
questions about that, I know you can fix it up.
Tell me what's going on. I get a terrible infectious disease.
Doctor Fernando's got it. Look, you need a whole suite
of doctors here, and that's what we're building.
Speaker 3: So we got doctor Fernando's. Sounds like you're going to
an Applebee's. We had to go to doctor Fernando's. It's
like so good. Their onion rings are out of this world.
Speaker 2: How dare you, besmirts. The good name of doctor Fernando
is a good man. On the end, doctor Fernando's, you
know doctor Fernando's, ladies, not on Tuesday.
Speaker 1: Doctor Fernando's does sound like a teeky bar.
Speaker 2: That's a cool name.
Speaker 1: Our Fernando's an awesome name.
Speaker 3: Yeah, doctor Fernandez is a buye one, get one on
Thursday nights.
Speaker 2: Oh the wings in Doctor Fernando's just out of this world.
Yeah down there, Dan, Yeah, yeah, thank you.
Speaker 1: Doctor Mary. Do you want to read this one? From
West from Baltimore. This was a response to Dan his
cooking spiel last episode. But it's a question for you, said,
you don't have time to do it?
Speaker 2: Oh right, yeah, hello there.
Speaker 3: I used to hate peanut butter and jelly sandwiches. It
wasn't until college that I revisited them and realized that
they are fantastic. I have eaten them regularly since. I
recently learned that when my mom makes a peepee and jay,
she makes the wrong decision at every step. This could
explain my childlike dislike, my childhood dislike of the sandwich
because her preparation is a travesty. This is how she
makes it, white bread, grape jelly, smooth peanut butter, and
ratio of twice as much jelly as peanut butter. How
do you make your peeb and jay? Thanks Wes from Baltimore.
Speaker 2: Okay, I have thoughts on this? Did I first of all,
did I mention on crustables on here? Before?
Speaker 3: You have mentioned uncrustables. We've discussed this, Okay, those are
very good. Bunk made you aware of it? Can I
just clarify West from Baltimore? You say white bread, grape jelly,
smooth peanut butter, and ratio of twice as much jelly
as peanut butter. Does this mean that it is white bread,
grape jelly, smooth peanut butter, grape jelly? You know what
I mean?
Speaker 1: You? You just like, is the peanut butter flanked by jelly? Oh?
Speaker 2: No, I don't think she uses a lot of I
don't think it's not astata.
Speaker 3: There's another piece of white bread on top.
Speaker 2: Yes, oh yeah, he's just saying.
Speaker 1: I think he's saying, like as opposed to like a
whole week with strawberry jam with.
Speaker 2: You expressive if it was that, I agree with a
lot of this. Yeah, white bread. No, I like wheat
whole grain stuff. But specifically you can get like the
Sarah Lee forty five calorie a slice because like you
don't want bread, it's like one hundred and twenty calories
of slice. That's a lot going on there. So I
got the forty five calorie Sarah Lee stuff wheat jelly.
I'm new to the jelly world, so I don't have
feelings about grape versus strawberry or anything. So that's the
thing I don't really know right now. I think we
have a thing of sugar free strawberry in the fridge
and that's what I use. But yeah, smooth peanut butter
is the wrong one. You do skippy super chunk all
day and the ratio of twice as much jelly as
peanut butter. No, you put like eight knifefuls of super
chunk on one slice. And I know I'm new to jelly,
but I just kind of get just the slightest just
like just you're turning that bread purple, just the slightest,
like the color of jelly is on it, but like,
no no chunks.
Speaker 3: You know, jelly to jam situation.
Speaker 1: I don't know the difference you mean jelly to peanut
butter or jelly to jam. Oh, I see you're saying,
do you use jelly or jam?
Speaker 3: Whether jelly is clear and it's just the essence of fruit.
It's like the jelly like jam is like gooey goopy
and you can get fruit chunks in it.
Speaker 2: It's that seems like a lot like when I get salici.
I don't want chunks. I just want the liquid, you know,
so I think I want the same thing with those
liquid liquid.
Speaker 1: Well, no, that's a whole other conversation. Salsa chunks are
going to be firmer. To Mary's point, I just want
the wet red Yeah. I mean there might be like
some like collection of fruit, but you can smooth them out.
Speaker 3: In my damage. I could do with that sound bite.
Speaker 2: Try me.
Speaker 1: I so what the six freak side of it already is? Yeah,
I I go like a whole wheat with like the
oats around the crust. I like yeah, I like yeah.
I think it's like a I think there's there's like
a lumberjack on the bag.
Speaker 2: There's the one with the guy that was in jail,
Dave's crazy jailbread.
Speaker 1: I don't think so.
Speaker 2: No, the whole gimmick is like it says on the
thing like this dude was in jail and now he
makes bread.
Speaker 1: That's awesome.
Speaker 2: No, do you not know what I'm talking about? Jail bread?
Hang on jail bread brand. I think it's just Dave's
Killer Bread.
Speaker 3: It's not be called jail bread. It's called Dave's Killer Bread.
And I don't think it's actually about him going to jail.
It's just that the bread is so good.
Speaker 5: No, it is called killer Bread on their website after products.
Speaker 2: No, this is Dave's Killerbread dot com. And right next
to products there's Second Chance Employment. And it's this whole
thing about like, hey, you've been to jail, we'll get
out and come make some bread. It's all.
Speaker 1: But that's not him making that's not him making.
Speaker 3: Jail killer because he's a murderer who got out.
Speaker 1: This sounds like they do, and like they run a
program where they and have rehabilitated, rehabilitated prisoners coming. That's
what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I didn't say he was a murderer.
Speaker 1: I didn't say you said he's murdered. I said that.
You said he made the bread in jail and it
got famous.
Speaker 2: Well that's not right. So okay, I'm there's all about
us page and everything.
Speaker 1: He went to.
Speaker 3: Murdering day and he killed a bunch of guys, but
really good bread. So we used to call him Dave
the Killer.
Speaker 1: Of Jail because the bread was so good.
Speaker 2: He went to prison for fifteen years. That's not you know,
stealing a Skittles.
Speaker 3: Bag many women. But his bread is dope.
Speaker 2: I'm certain why did Dave Bread go to jail?
Speaker 1: Kamala Harris, pardon him because his bread was so good?
Speaker 2: Okay? He served over fifteen years in prison for drug distribution, burglary,
armed robbery and assaults in Portland. Oh wow, Mary, what
is this quite the rap sheet? It's a bunch of
bread making criminals your town.
Speaker 3: I'm glad he found something to do with his life.
No good for him. I like rehabilitation system. I'm just
dying at the idea that like you called it Dave's
jail bread, and I do I really will say like like,
when you say Dave's killer bread, my thought is like, oh,
that sounds like delicious bread. But when you're like, this
is a guy who got in a prison and his
name is Dave the Killer's Bread.
Speaker 2: But that's the gimmick, it takes such a dark turn.
Oh he gotta rested. Wait, he got arrested in Portland
for ramming patrol cars. Oh this is years ago.
Speaker 1: This sounds like the coolest guy I've ever heard.
Speaker 2: It's off it's on the Portland to separ addit.
Speaker 1: He was just ramming into police cruisers.
Speaker 3: Yeah bye, And I did not know this lore.
Speaker 2: Oh my god. Although he's no longer using methampetam and
that he'd been smoking pot, snorting coke and drinking heavily,
I do not think the fame and success of Dave's
Killer Bread had a great impact on it. He spend
money on fancy cars and flashy things. Wow, this is
a Reddit thread, so this is all allegedly What is
the what.
Speaker 1: Is when is the Adam McKay biopek about this guy
coming who's playing Dave Kill Michael sinkerl Oh my god,
I forgot to tell you guys. Holy shit, Michael Shannon's
the actor, are you guys fans? Yeah, he's like one
of my favorite actors. And I swear to god. Amanda
and I were sitting at this dive bar. I'm not
going to say exactly where. I don't want to blow
it up, but it was near our wedding venue and
we were killing time because our wedding venue invited us
back for an anniversary dinner. And we're sitting at the
best dive bar in the world, the best bar in
New York and as we sit down, I look over
I was like, that guy looks like Michael Shannon from
the side, and then he turned around, like, oh my god, Amanda,
that's Michael Shannon. We didn't bother him. We never do.
They've got shit to do. But I discovered that Michael Shannon,
one of my favorite actors, goes to one of my
favorite bars, and he used to live in like my
favorite neighborhood in New York.
Speaker 2: It's crazy, but.
Speaker 1: He would be good as I feel like he would
be a good Like google Michael Shannon if you haven't
seen him a while, he would be a good killer.
Dave bread Maker.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm still googling Dave jail here, and it's like,
I hope I'm not being too harsh on it, because like,
it does sound like, Okay, he had a ramming police
cars episode about eleven years ago.
Speaker 1: Yeah, fucking but it.
Speaker 2: Does seem it does seem like. No, he looks like
a man who's trying to better himself and makes him
bread and he can't can't fault a man for that. No.
He sold his bread in twenty fifteen for two hundred
and seventy five million dollars Jesus bread. I gotta learn
how to make bread. You gotta go to jail to jail.
Speaker 3: Yeah, except instead of police and try and run a
couple of them over, I'm gonna.
Speaker 2: Go punch a cop and learn how to make bread.
There you go.
Speaker 1: That's the the first two steps of the three steps
of success. Third one is profit. Yeah, fucking make that money.
Oh anyway, I do the lumberjack bread, and then I
do peanut butterwich crunchy peanut butter, and then I do
like a raspberry preserved jam that has seeds in it.
Still like that's when you get the real taste. My
ratio is two to one peanut butter to jelly. The
jelly jam. The jam, in my opinion, is just there
to add that little bit of sweetness in acidity, because
otherwise the peanut butter is going to become overpowering and
fatty in your mouth and the like. To me, the
peanut butter is there more for texture and like mouthfeel.
The jam is there to cut through that with acidity
and fruity flavor, and like some sweetness, peanut butter is to.
Speaker 3: Hold it all or sorry. The killer bread is so
that you know you can bite it without getting your
fingies all sticky.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm still learning because I feel like I have
had five to ten thousand peanut butter sandwiches that were
just a ton of chunky peanut butter and nothing else.
I've done that. Like maybe I've maybe had fifteen peanut
butter and jelly sandwiches.
Speaker 1: I've had a lot of peanut butter only sandwiches. I
will say, though, like I think as a concept, a
peanut butter and jelly sandwich exists because it works much better.
Speaker 2: It does itself. I get it. Does anyone have just
jelly sandwiches?
Speaker 3: Probably well, Jelly on toast is very popular.
Speaker 2: I think, oh yeah, that is good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I go for that over My stomach does not
love butter that early in the morning, so I go
with like a jam also raspberry if I can get
a hands on it, but strawberry is a close second. Great.
Speaker 3: Some time I go to like an American diner, usually
your meat, hash browns and eggs comes with toast and
they serve it with some jelly and you slap a
little bit of jelly on a piece of toast and
eat it with your breakfast. I do that every time.
I consider it like the sweet dessert of my diner breakfast. Right,
It's like the sweetest that it gets, and it's really good,
So I consider that the equivalent of a peanut but sandwich.
Speaker 1: I also don't to West's point, I'm not a grape
jelly fan, like really didn't.
Speaker 3: BlackBerry is really cool.
Speaker 1: I'm only you have in my grapes one way, and
that's if they're grown in Burgundy, made in the cellars
at Albert Davilan at d r C fucking put three
years in barrel, aged twelve years in glass and Mary, can.
Speaker 2: You can you break his fingers this time?
Speaker 3: You guys? Every time you guys made me laugh. My
laugh is so meaty.
Speaker 2: I haven't heard its cutting the mic out.
Speaker 1: I haven't heard any of your laughter this time. Yeah,
we West get your mom right.
Speaker 3: It's just like.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's on the recording. We can't
hear her laughing. It's like, whoez we can see you? Yeah,
I see coffin fuck.
Speaker 3: Anyway, PB and J's are great.
Speaker 1: Tell your mom to write in Wes with that that
sounded weird.
Speaker 3: I meant like I don't want to hear from Wes's mom.
Speaker 1: Yeah, missus Wes. Uh Miss West? Sorry, okay, all this
last one? Uh maybe Miss West. I don't know, Miss
West write in about your PB and J stories. All right,
this last one. I don't read this whole thing. Actually
I did cut some from this, but I do think
I need to read else. High Fire Escape. Your Gody
episodes inspired me to start a movie club that I
run with about thirty friends and acquaintances called the Buzzies.
We meet at the end of the year discuss the
movies that we watched that year by nominating films for
ridiculous categories. There's way too many of us to come
to a consensus per category, so instead we just share
our personal picks and nominations. By the end of the night,
Trevor film has the most nominations across all categories, wins
Buzziest Film of the Year, and everyone gets to leave
the new list of recommended movies check out. A lot
of our categories are directly inspired by your Goady categories.
Film most up its own ass, for example, but we
also have some of our own categories that we're really
proud of, like film with the best performance that's too
good for the movie it's in that's good film that
you think about the most, or film with the most
toxic relationship, or film you were most surprised to love.
That last one's good. Yeah, well, I mean a bunch
of those were, but I like that last one because
I did not expect to love fucking Prince of Persia Metrivania,
Which brings me to my next question. What are some
ridiculous movie award categories you were submit if you were
a card carrying member of the Buzzies With love from
Austin Bobby aka your actual biggest fan in Texas.
Speaker 2: Wow, fast explosion.
Speaker 3: I want to car a card if we do this,
card carrying member of the Buzzy. Oh yeah, all right,
let's let's write these down.
Speaker 2: Explosion, best explosion?
Speaker 3: Well what makes it? What's the best explosion?
Speaker 1: Click exploded? That's not big but it's awesome.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it depends on how big the dick is. You
know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's like fucking nukes, but like, yeah,
not everybody has this.
Speaker 2: Is it the Oppenheimer nuke or the dick explosion?
Speaker 3: With small explosions over here? You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: What if? What if? What if? What if? What if
the Oppenheimer nuke had blown his dick off during that test?
Would that movie would have been a very different turn
tone in the rest of the movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, whoa, you should have cut to that because there's this,
oh there's a non ironic sex scene an Oppenheimer. He's
reading I Am Become Death while the lady's on top
of him, and then like what if they're both getting
into it? And then cut explosion And it's symbolic and
that's like a metaphor.
Speaker 3: And Einstein comes out at the very end of the
film and goes up to that guy and goes, did
you see that guy blow his dick off?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I said we're all gonna get laid. Yeah what exactly? Yeah,
anyway you want?
Speaker 1: That's got the dire straight song at the end of
Oppenheim would be really disrespectful.
Speaker 3: I think best sex scene should be in there talking
about it all episode. So like it makes sense to
be like, which movie has like a really good, like
horny scene. And it can be because it's funny, or
it can be because it's sincere. That's irrelevant. The most
important thing is that it's just in your opinion, it's
like that sex scene is awesome.
Speaker 2: Yeah, best boobs best boobs.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that can be connected, but maybe not the best
sex scene.
Speaker 1: No, that's separate.
Speaker 2: Best bad guy death, best bad guy, best main bad
guy death, and best henchman death.
Speaker 1: He thought of you, dude, and then I thought of
hospender dead at the age of who the fuck cares?
Speaker 2: That's probably I forgot. I haven't logged into my Activision
accounting forever and I was trying to log in for
Call of Duty. I forgot I was hostbender.
Speaker 3: H I assume I probably do this, but I think
it's nice to do like best one liner or like
some kind of like one off just thing that someone
says that everyone thinks is memorable from that movie, and
you judge it based on the line, not based off
of the film. So like, if you take the film
out of it, is that line like fucking god damn
good line that's worth knowing?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got one worst CG moment that's.
Speaker 1: Good, fucking alien what's it called?
Speaker 2: Oh fuck yeah, Yeah, that's a contender. That's here.
Speaker 3: Everybody talks about it.
Speaker 2: The best late title card or what about latest title card?
Speaker 1: What is an example of that that? Like, is there
a recent one I mean, I know there are a lot,
but I'm trying to think of a.
Speaker 2: I can't think of a notorious one right now.
Speaker 1: Well, oh, you know what movie I have qued up
for like the weekend because we're not doing anything is Dread.
Speaker 2: Oh have you seen it?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: But I've heard a lot of people like say it's
their cult classic favorite.
Speaker 2: It's a good time. You're talking about the Carl Urban one.
Speaker 3: Right your ridge?
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, the remake from twenty fifteen or something like that.
Speaker 2: Not the Stalone one. No. Oh yeah, that one's not great.
Speaker 3: That's the only one I've seen.
Speaker 2: Oh, the Stallone one.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 2: No, The Carl Urban One's fucking awesome. And Lena Hetty
from Game of Thrones is the bad guy in it.
It's so good.
Speaker 1: I just kind of had a buzzy idea like best
video game, or sorry, best best movie that has structured
like a video game. Like I just thought of running Man.
I was like, that might as well be a video game.
Speaker 2: Are there enough though, for like a category for a year?
You know?
Speaker 1: Oh right, it has to be for a year.
Speaker 2: I'm thinking of at it's not like an all time thing. Yeah.
Speaker 1: God, I really did not see many movies this year.
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, I could do like least accurate biopic. I
feel like there was just so many biopics and someone's
like this kind was an asshole? What are we doing here?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 3: Like were they like whitewash him and make it seem
like he was actually not so bad after all?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Or even it could be something like you know, like
Beheaming Rhapsody, which you know was well received, but it
was like, this is not accurate in a lot of ways.
Speaker 3: Did I see what you're saying?
Speaker 1: It's like how Elvis fucking Baz Luhrman's came out, and
then Sophia Coppola's why the hell am I blanking on
his wife's name, Priscilla? Priscilla, thank you the movie's name?
It very clearly I took a lot away from both
of those. Saltburne was last year, right, Yeah, God, I
really did not see many movies this year.
Speaker 3: What about like a genre bender? It's really interesting when
like a movie that's meant to be scary is funny, right,
and so it like kind of messes with you, or
a movie that's meant to be funny takes like a
serious turn.
Speaker 2: I don't know if this movie is meant to be
funny or not. Do you guys know anything about this
Terrifier series a little bit, so you know that it's
like Terrifier three was like the biggest movie, like in
the country.
Speaker 3: The tomato score is off the charts.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 2: I had not seen any of them. I was at
a Halloween party on Saturday and they put Terrifier one
on the thing, and it was like a nice like
background thing, like, Okay, it seems like another Like oh,
maybe it's like it it's like a killer clown thing. Sure,
I swear. There's like a ten minute scene spoilers for
the first Terrifier.
Speaker 3: Wait, I don't know if I want to see a sport.
I don't know if I want to spoil it for.
Speaker 2: The first I don't want to spoil it. But there
is a long scene where everybody started like looking over
for the screen, like, oh my god, this is the
most horrifying thing I have ever seen. It's like practical
effects and it's like it keeps going and it shows
a lot and it is unbelievably gruesome. Yes, Mary, Mary,
take it off. Watched Mike's reaction as I describe this. Okay, Okay, Mike.
He takes these party girls home from a bar and
he yeah, he ties one to a chair, he's a
clown man. He takes the other one and straps her
upside down to like a wooden thing with her legs
up like this in the air, and then he takes
a hack saw and she's completely naked. Does he just
full on just naked lady upside down, legs spread in
the air and making her friend watch as he's got
a hacksaw, starts at the vagina, and it's just like
right right, right, right, right, right right right. It goes
all the way through. He says, like like bloods all
over his face, like her intestines all fall out on
the ground and everything, and he just goes all the
way through, saws through her head, goes from vagina to skull,
saw her in half, and it is long and shows
all of it. It fucking insane, and it's just like
at this party, it's like we're also like.
Speaker 1: A mid conversation, Who's who put this movie on at
a party?
Speaker 2: You used to live at their place?
Speaker 1: Really? They were they You're good? Uh, but they were
they aware that I don't know, I don't know anything
about the story.
Speaker 2: I don't know it went from Halloween to that. I'm like, Halloween,
it's course, and then it was that It's like, what
the fuck I thought you.
Speaker 1: Were gonna say, like Hanson put it on just to
fuck with people.
Speaker 2: No, Hanson was right next to me, and we're like,
what the fuck is this?
Speaker 1: Jesus Christ?
Speaker 2: It was insane. It ever, that was the first one
I've heard. It gets more insane as the series goes on.
So holy, so it's.
Speaker 1: Like it's, you know, exploitation, kind of like Gore. That's
why people are seeing three so much.
Speaker 2: But it seems like, like like Mary mentioned the Rotten Tomatoes, like,
it seems.
Speaker 3: Like people like the high score.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I kind of thought like, oh, this is
gonna be some hostile torture point.
Speaker 3: Thing perspective of this is is every Halloween, I always
watch a horror movie almost every day. So I watch
like thirty one horror movies in the month of October.
I enjoy it. It's like something I always get into.
And towards the end of the month, aka right now,
I struggle to find a horror movie that I haven't
already seen, and so I was looking up best horror movies,
and Terrifier three is one of the highest rated horror movies,
but unfortunately I googled do you have to see Terrifier
one in two in order to see three? And generally
the consensus is you really should see the first two
because apparently they like come into play in the third one,
And then the Rotten Tomato scores of one and two
are really low. Plus a lot of the reviews are
straight up like one is is just a straight up
gore fest, And that's my least favorite type of horror movie. Okay,
it's not that I won't watch it. I'm not like
anti anything really, but to me, just watching someone get
tortured and like just watch like gore is a little exhausting,
whereas like what I really like is like the fear
of what's going to happen.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I I've never been a horror guy. And that's why,
like when people ask my favorite horror movie, I always
go with the Shining and that feels like a cop
out because it's like, well, this is a real ass movie.
This is the Kubrick movie, you know, Jack Nicholson, Like
this is a real in psychological horror type stuff. Like
I I appreciate like Halloween stuff like that, but I've
never seen Friday at Thirteenth, never seen Nightmare on Elm Street.
Like I've just never really been drawn to that stuff.
But I'm with you, Like I remember seeing Saw and
Hostile in the theaters when they came out, and those
were big things, and like I didn't like them. It
was just like I feel like we're just doing like, yeah,
of course, it's it's shooting fish in a barrel, making
people squirm by like showing someone's like achilles heel getting
split open and stuff like that, you know, or like
I got a stringe, I got a bear trap on
my head.
Speaker 3: You know, yeah, one hundred percent. Uh, those are to
me sometimes they feel not always I don't like get
like too AGGRESSI about it, but sometimes they can feel
a little lazy to me. Sure it's a hostile did
this to me the movie Hostile, which is like at
some point they were just torturing people, and I was like,
but the fear of it is out. I'm just watching
someone be tortured. To me, it's the cat and mouse
game or the who done it of it that is
the most exciting part. Or how is this happening, Like
how how do you get out of this situation? Is
very interesting to me, So yeah, I get it. I
don't think it's for me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I cannot speak to the movie at all. I
mean it's like I couldn't even like really hear most
of it. I just like that scene people noticed, so yeah,
it's not like we sat and watched it. I just
saw that and I was like, that's the most fucked
up thing I think I've ever seen in a horror movie.
Speaker 3: Just yeah, I think like going back to like the thing,
I was, well, I don't know if this is connected.
It's like, to me, what makes a good horror movie
is when it has a really intriguing plot, and yes
there are horror elements to it, but maybe even without it,
it's just like it's so interesting, the concept of what
you're going to do next is so consuming that it's
worth it even if it's a little scary or if
there's like some supernatural elements. A good example of that
is like from Dusk until Dawn, oh right, which is
like so fucking good, and it is a horror movie,
like a lot of people die, it's got some gore,
it's like pretty scary, half.
Speaker 2: A Tarantino movie and half like a gory vampire movie.
Speaker 3: It's fucking great, right, Like, it's super engaging, you want
to know what happens next, it's sexy. Whew. I also
think it's genre bending, it's funny, it's got some good
humor elements in it. But yeah, it's got vampires and
like people die and so like that's like peak for me,
So I get it. I don't know if that's for me.
I'm glad you brought that up, Like, I just don't.
I was like kind of after I saw the Rotten
Tomato squirrels, like, I guess I'm supposed to watch this now,
but like, if it's a gore fest, that's really not
my jam. Yeah, yeah, I think get reviewed so high.
Speaker 1: No, I've just been reading plot points from all three
of them for the past few minutes and it's just, yeah,
it doesn't.
Speaker 2: Sounds sounds like a lot. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, Bobby, I'm gonna put best terrifyers that you have
to watch all three? Which one got you? Guys? Tell
us which one is the best one to watch?
Speaker 1: All right? Well, thank you for writing in, Bobby Wes
and doctor Fernando. All Right, uh, well, that's your episode.
As usual. You can ran the fire scapecast at gmail
dot com. Next episode will be Game of the Year.
Speaker 2: That seems impossible. I have Extra Life this weekend coming up,
and that's crazy to think. We also, so I got
all those guys flying in for Extra Life and then
very quickly I have all you flying in, so well
we'll watch the betting and everything. So uh you know,
we'll get all the grub and minati. That's so yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that'll be sad.
Speaker 3: Change the mattresses, well, it'll clip them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll have the episode.
Speaker 2: He's gonna get Disney all over it. Disney Magic is
what he calls it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Disney Adult, that's what he does. November sixteenth. It's
gonna be our live show Saturday, November sixteenth.
Speaker 2: Not live show, live show in place stage.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's gonna be our live stream Game of the Year,
Game of the Air live stream. Happy. Yeah, it's all right,
it's a live we'll post were live streaming.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the whi which okay, wait, so we got to
hammer this down now. So it's going to be on
the YouTube, the fire Escape YouTube after the fact. Yes,
So if you want to watch the bod check out
the fire escape YouTube and are we just doing my
Twitch channel or are we making one between now and then?
Speaker 1: For fires should probably make one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, would we get? Would get as many people
watch sausages made folks, I mean the brand new Twitter
account or Twitch account.
Speaker 1: I think the people are gonna watch. You're gonna watch
it regardless of which channel it's on. But we can
talk more about that and then we'll figure. Keep an
eye on our social If you don't follow us on Instagram, Twitter, go.
Speaker 3: Check Twitch, dot tv slash.
Speaker 4: Dave's killer Bread, David jail Bread. Probably Dave's murderous bread.
He used to be a murderer, but now he makes
bread and fucking he was richer than you.
Speaker 3: He fucking hit police with his car and now he's batman.
Speaker 1: He does he does have batman money now. But yeah,
keep an eye on our socials so you could see
the specifics. But yeah, it'll be Saturday, November sixteenth, and
then the breakout recording for the video will be in
our YouTube channel after that on Monday, but we'll also
just have the audio up on Monday. As episode ninety four.
I gotta look back and see whether we counted Game
of the Year as like a numbered episode last I
know we did. I know we put it up as
as like at the usual time, but I got to
see if we this is just for my edification afterwards,
so we know, so we don't like do episode one
hundred a week early or late.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we count it.
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are not a patron yet and you want to become
a patron because you want to be ready for all
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find time to make a couple of those. We really
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Speaker 2: Were there, we said, Eco Point Nova. What was the
other one that would be good.
Speaker 1: Called Duty Zombies. Oh yeah. You will not have to
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you'll get charged on December fourteenth, if you haven't been
a patron before. That is new for us because it
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which is annoying. If you subscribed on the thirty first
of the previous month, that you get charged twice in
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You appreciate what we do. Every dollar helps. The Game
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I'm gonna be wearing some fire skate merch on the
show for sure. Outside of that, Dan, what do you
have going on apart from Firescape?
Speaker 2: Check out Giant Bomb. We have our Game of the
Year stuff coming up. We've got Giant Bomb at Night
coming up around the Game Awards, so stay tuned and
all that stuff. We'll have the couch set up grub
interviewing a rotating cast of industry personalities. So yeah, and
then we'll have our Game of the Year stuff over
there as well. So yeah, check out giant Bomb, follow
me on Twitch. Hope do more streaming in the near
future here And that's about it, Mary, What about you.
Speaker 3: The usual twitchy things. I'm still streaming on Mondays, except
this week because I was too sick, but I usually
do try and going live on Twitch also just to
talk about you know, twitch stuff on Twitch, very twitch
stuff going on over here. What are you doing, Mike?
Speaker 1: Just Firescape get ready for the Game of the Year.
Got some travel coming up, although I'm done for like
two weeks, which is awesome because this is the first
two weeks we don't have to travel in several months.
Speaker 2: It's a good feeling.
Speaker 1: It's gonna use it to catch up on the eight
video games I need to play before just so I
have ammunition, or I'll just finish metaphor no, I'm kidding.
I'll do my homework for a Game of the Year
as usual. Thank you everybody for joining for episode ninety three.
We will be back in two weeks with our Game
of the Year episode on November sixteenth. That's gonna be
the actual live stream, but again, if you happen to
miss it, for whatever reason, will be up as a
normal episode on November eighteenth. We're excited earlier in the
year that we usually do, just because things are getting
crazy later in December. And yeah, we're looking forward to it.
I can't wait for Aster about to get number nine.
Speaker 2: To each to their own.
Speaker 1: You just got really heated for a second.
Speaker 2: I could tell I'm breaking pencils in both hands right now.
Speaker 1: You're sawing yourself down the middle starting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, don't worry, Mary, were to anything.
Speaker 3: No, I'll tell you this.
Speaker 1: So I asked for about reference.
Speaker 3: I did not. I had my headphones off and I
saw this and I saw yeah, yeah, And I'm not
a fucking idiot.
Speaker 1: No, Yeah, it could be anything. If I didn't realize
as a whole, there's a whole, there's a whole.
Speaker 2: You really, who's just a mime with that man? He
kind of a clown mime?
Speaker 3: Know what this means?
Speaker 2: What does it mean? Mary? You're so smart?
Speaker 3: He saw a person in half. Their legs probably are
their arms.
Speaker 2: That's not all the details. It's a murky. It seems
like it's a murky for you.
Speaker 1: You didn't hear how long it was or what how
he sounds low.
Speaker 3: He was my headphones off ten minutes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he didn't really tell her everything.
Speaker 2: There are some cut details you don't know.
Speaker 3: Oh, like her titties were flapping in the wind when
it was happening.
Speaker 2: Well, that does happen. Although I didn't say it, that
absolutely happens.
Speaker 1: I didn't realize the whole, wicked, very specific thing happens.
There's a whole Wikipedia entry for death by sawing from
like click to.
Speaker 2: When I was looking at the Wikipedia, it's like, Wow,
they people did this for Shoot, that's fucking crazy.
Speaker 1: It's like being drawn and quartered. That's fucked up too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems like people just did shitty things back then.
I'm glad that doesn't happen as much.
Speaker 3: All the time.
Speaker 1: Dan or pulled apart by horses. I think that might
have been apocryphal. I also could be very wrong and
that might have actually happened. I don't know.
Speaker 2: They should stop doing that.
Speaker 1: We just have guns now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that seems better. I don't know.
Speaker 3: All right, Thanks for everybody, Dan, While, while we're on
the way out, what do you think of immigration and
the NRA supporter? Dan Reiker sign, I had no idea
that you were such a cardoon.
Speaker 2: Between drawing and quartering and sawing people in half by
their privates, guns seem like a better way to go
if I had to choose one of the three, That's
all I'm saying, rather not have any of them.
Speaker 3: You've obviously never been shot in the dick.
Speaker 2: That sounds bad, too, well, it all sounds.
Speaker 3: You should have thought about that before you joined the
n RA.
Speaker 2: A Oh, dear.
Speaker 1: By the next episode. See for Game of the Year.