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Now Here is your host, Soriah. 24 00:01:40.200 --> 00:01:42.560 Welcome to this edition of Where Did the Road Go? 25 00:01:42.640 --> 00:01:44.799 And tonight for the first time, I have joining me 26 00:01:45.519 --> 00:01:48.319 Ruth roper Wilde. Hello there. 27 00:01:49.040 --> 00:01:50.799 Hi really pleased to be here. 28 00:01:51.439 --> 00:01:53.040 And you are based out of where. 29 00:01:53.840 --> 00:01:57.200 I'm in, Bedfordshire in the UK. I'm just about fifty 30 00:01:57.239 --> 00:01:59.599 miles due north of London, okay. 31 00:02:00.400 --> 00:02:04.719 And you have a series of ten books out now, 32 00:02:05.200 --> 00:02:05.840 is that correct? 33 00:02:06.599 --> 00:02:10.560 That's right. I had the opportunity to take partial early 34 00:02:10.639 --> 00:02:14.159 retirement ten years ago, and I've been collecting all this 35 00:02:14.319 --> 00:02:18.759 data about the paranormal for practically all of my adult life, 36 00:02:20.360 --> 00:02:22.680 and I thought I'm going to give it a go 37 00:02:22.800 --> 00:02:27.039 writing a book. And here I am ten years later, 38 00:02:27.120 --> 00:02:30.319 and I seem to have forgotten to stop writing books. 39 00:02:31.599 --> 00:02:36.000 I just kept going, Well, that's a good thing. I mean, 40 00:02:36.039 --> 00:02:37.199 obviously enjoy it. 41 00:02:38.280 --> 00:02:40.360 I absolutely love it. I love the fact because I 42 00:02:40.360 --> 00:02:43.479 get to speak to so many people, because I find 43 00:02:43.479 --> 00:02:47.919 my own witnesses. I specialize in finding correlations, so I 44 00:02:47.960 --> 00:02:51.520 go out and speak to the public, find people who've 45 00:02:52.319 --> 00:02:56.280 experienced something odd in whichever location I'm interested in. At 46 00:02:56.280 --> 00:02:59.879 that moment in time, speak to my own witnesses, either 47 00:03:00.719 --> 00:03:03.560 correspondence or interview them, or if they're close enough, I'll 48 00:03:03.599 --> 00:03:07.240 meet up with them, and then their accounts go into 49 00:03:07.240 --> 00:03:10.080 the books. So yeah, absolutely love it. 50 00:03:10.680 --> 00:03:13.360 What got you interested in this stuff in the first place. 51 00:03:15.000 --> 00:03:17.520 I grew up in a house which had a very 52 00:03:17.599 --> 00:03:23.840 active poltergeist in it. Oh yeah, So I was born 53 00:03:23.879 --> 00:03:26.599 in the sixties, so I was growing up through the seventies, 54 00:03:28.560 --> 00:03:34.240 and we lived in a fairly modern housing estate for 55 00:03:34.560 --> 00:03:39.360 UK standards, So our house was only about maybe seventy 56 00:03:39.400 --> 00:03:44.560 or eighty years old maybe, so you know, quite a 57 00:03:44.680 --> 00:03:49.960 modern house. No idea of any back history or backstory 58 00:03:50.000 --> 00:03:53.280 to it or anything like that. We just suddenly had 59 00:03:53.319 --> 00:03:56.960 all this weird stuff started happening. And it wouldn't do 60 00:03:57.000 --> 00:04:00.680 it all the time, you know, sometimes had been months 61 00:04:00.759 --> 00:04:04.800 between things happening. But it would do all the classic 62 00:04:05.159 --> 00:04:08.280 poltergeist type things like loud noises in the middle of 63 00:04:08.319 --> 00:04:13.000 the night, sound of glass smashing, sound of furniture smashing. 64 00:04:14.400 --> 00:04:19.480 It would move things. It wasn't suckle like so many 65 00:04:19.560 --> 00:04:23.319 poltergeists that I get told about are where you put 66 00:04:23.319 --> 00:04:25.800 something down, turn away, turn back, and the thing has 67 00:04:25.839 --> 00:04:28.319 moved r hour would just move it right in front 68 00:04:28.360 --> 00:04:32.240 of you so you'd be standing. Just to give you 69 00:04:32.240 --> 00:04:34.399 an example, I was in the I must have been 70 00:04:34.439 --> 00:04:39.319 about fifteen or sixteen at this point, and I was 71 00:04:39.319 --> 00:04:41.720 standing in the kitchen helping my mum clear up after 72 00:04:41.959 --> 00:04:46.560 us kids had had a tea and we were chatting away. 73 00:04:46.560 --> 00:04:48.759 It was summer's evening, so it was, you know, bright sunshine, 74 00:04:48.759 --> 00:04:52.160 about six o'clock in the evening. And you know how 75 00:04:52.199 --> 00:04:54.920 when you're doing the washing up and drying up, you've 76 00:04:54.920 --> 00:04:59.439 got a tea towel to dry the dishes up. Quite 77 00:04:59.480 --> 00:05:01.560 often you kind of screw that up and chuck it 78 00:05:01.560 --> 00:05:03.360 on the side before you get around folding it up 79 00:05:03.399 --> 00:05:06.199 and putting it away. So if you imagine this sort 80 00:05:06.199 --> 00:05:11.199 of chucked on the side, you know, this teetawel, and 81 00:05:11.240 --> 00:05:13.079 we both caught movement out of the corner of our 82 00:05:13.360 --> 00:05:16.040 eye and turned to look at the same time, and 83 00:05:16.079 --> 00:05:20.120 the tea towel was flattening itself out until it was 84 00:05:20.120 --> 00:05:23.639 completely flat on the surface, and then it folded itself 85 00:05:23.680 --> 00:05:28.279 once one way, once the opposite way, and then once 86 00:05:28.319 --> 00:05:30.160 again the first way until it was in a neat 87 00:05:30.199 --> 00:05:33.079 little square. Well, Mum and I just stood there and 88 00:05:33.160 --> 00:05:36.199 watched it do it and then kind of looked at 89 00:05:36.240 --> 00:05:42.639 each other and went, Okay, so that happened, and it 90 00:05:42.800 --> 00:05:44.639 just left me. It would do all sorts of things. 91 00:05:45.199 --> 00:05:47.439 It would terrify my sister when she went to the 92 00:05:47.480 --> 00:05:51.240 bathroom to have a bath. It would bang on the 93 00:05:51.279 --> 00:05:56.720 door like really loudly, like really badly, to the point 94 00:05:56.759 --> 00:05:58.399 where she begged me to go and sit with her 95 00:05:58.439 --> 00:06:01.399 while she had a bath. And I was sitting in 96 00:06:01.399 --> 00:06:03.480 there and it did it, and I flung the door open, 97 00:06:03.680 --> 00:06:06.240 thinking it would be our little brother trying to scare her, 98 00:06:07.480 --> 00:06:10.079 and there was nobody there at all, even though the 99 00:06:10.600 --> 00:06:12.920 door was being pounded on as I flung it open. 100 00:06:15.199 --> 00:06:17.879 So sometimes it was just kind of mischievous. Sometimes it 101 00:06:17.959 --> 00:06:23.680 was a bit nasty, and it just it left me 102 00:06:23.720 --> 00:06:28.839 with this absolute fascination of Okay, so that's happening. This 103 00:06:28.959 --> 00:06:31.240 isn't a question of do I believe it or not 104 00:06:31.319 --> 00:06:34.120 believe it. That's kind of like saying do you believe 105 00:06:34.160 --> 00:06:37.199 that the rain is falling or not falling? Because that 106 00:06:37.399 --> 00:06:41.879 house it was happening, you know, but it was like, well, 107 00:06:42.240 --> 00:06:47.040 but what's causing it? What is making this happen? And 108 00:06:47.079 --> 00:06:49.160 back then in the seventies. Obviously we didn't have computers, 109 00:06:49.160 --> 00:06:52.000 we didn't have the Internet, so if I wanted to 110 00:06:52.000 --> 00:06:56.160 find anything out, it meant going to a library. So 111 00:06:56.199 --> 00:06:59.759 I did that, and I started picking up Whenever I 112 00:06:59.759 --> 00:07:02.040 could find a book about ghosts, I'd buy it, you know, 113 00:07:02.040 --> 00:07:04.319 from a second hand book store or whatever, spent my 114 00:07:04.360 --> 00:07:08.920 pocket money on them. And all of them tended to 115 00:07:08.959 --> 00:07:13.480 talk about, you know, black monks floating around in old abbey's, 116 00:07:13.600 --> 00:07:19.480 or knights on horses, galloping through castles and whaling, ladies 117 00:07:19.519 --> 00:07:24.639 on church parapets and things, all the old ghost stories 118 00:07:24.680 --> 00:07:28.639 you get in the UK, and very little about people 119 00:07:28.759 --> 00:07:34.160 like me living in the modern times with something stupid 120 00:07:34.240 --> 00:07:39.560 happening in their house that was fairly regular, alarming regularity, 121 00:07:40.360 --> 00:07:43.720 and it just it just made me want to know 122 00:07:45.120 --> 00:07:47.759 what is causing this, what is the answer to this. 123 00:07:49.040 --> 00:07:52.759 I come from a family that's firmly atheist in background. 124 00:07:53.480 --> 00:07:58.160 My mother was a radio engineer in the RAF so 125 00:07:58.199 --> 00:08:02.279 she was a very engine neering and practical minded woman, 126 00:08:03.720 --> 00:08:07.879 and she absolutely did not believe in this nonsense. So 127 00:08:08.120 --> 00:08:12.040 whenever something would happen, she would try to find the 128 00:08:12.079 --> 00:08:17.759 logical explanation for it. So one occasion, a knife on 129 00:08:17.879 --> 00:08:23.879 the side of the table started spinning again. Mum and 130 00:08:23.920 --> 00:08:26.000 I were in the room, and it spun off the 131 00:08:26.040 --> 00:08:29.560 table and kept spinning right across the room and eventually 132 00:08:29.639 --> 00:08:31.720 hit the floor. And she just went and got a 133 00:08:31.759 --> 00:08:33.879 tape measure and measured the distance from the edge of 134 00:08:33.879 --> 00:08:36.039 the table to where the knife was on the floor 135 00:08:36.799 --> 00:08:39.960 and said eight feet whatever inches it was, and just 136 00:08:40.039 --> 00:08:42.200 kind of went, well, that wasn't gravity, then, was it. 137 00:08:44.200 --> 00:08:46.200 And that was kind of her attitude. She didn't act 138 00:08:46.279 --> 00:08:51.200 scared of it. She didn't, you know, try and sort 139 00:08:51.240 --> 00:08:55.200 of come up with a dismissal of it or anything. 140 00:08:55.320 --> 00:08:58.399 She just kept when I find a logical explanation for 141 00:08:58.480 --> 00:09:01.840 what was happening, I guess it kind of just made 142 00:09:01.879 --> 00:09:04.519 me the same way, because you do tend to following 143 00:09:04.600 --> 00:09:08.679 parents to a certain extent, can't you. And yeah, so 144 00:09:08.720 --> 00:09:12.679 I started whenever I did find a story that was 145 00:09:12.759 --> 00:09:16.000 modern or sort of within my lifetime. So from the 146 00:09:16.080 --> 00:09:20.720 nineteen sixties onwards, I started collecting clippings and what have you. 147 00:09:21.720 --> 00:09:23.840 And then obviously I grew up and I left school 148 00:09:24.080 --> 00:09:26.720 and I started my first job, and my first job 149 00:09:26.759 --> 00:09:31.360 was in a library. And again, to you know, too 150 00:09:31.399 --> 00:09:33.080 early for computers and that. So we had the old 151 00:09:33.120 --> 00:09:36.799 card files that all the books were listed on, and 152 00:09:36.879 --> 00:09:40.840 I learned the dewy system and the card file system, 153 00:09:40.879 --> 00:09:43.080 so I thought, oh, I could I could record all 154 00:09:43.120 --> 00:09:46.159 this information I've got about ghosts on a card file. 155 00:09:46.279 --> 00:09:48.639 So I bought myself a card file at home and 156 00:09:48.679 --> 00:09:51.679 set up a card file. And time went on, and 157 00:09:52.360 --> 00:09:55.759 you know, I left home and started my life and 158 00:09:55.840 --> 00:09:59.399 career like you do, and computers became a thing. Household 159 00:09:59.399 --> 00:10:03.919 computers became a thing. So I moved the card file 160 00:10:04.000 --> 00:10:08.039 onto the computer on an actual system that looked like 161 00:10:08.080 --> 00:10:13.240 a card file. I thought it was so modern back then. 162 00:10:13.320 --> 00:10:17.879 Look at this, I've got an electronic card bath. Then 163 00:10:17.960 --> 00:10:21.240 it was just fabulous, you know, it was just so amazing. 164 00:10:21.879 --> 00:10:24.720 And then of course time moves on and databases became 165 00:10:24.759 --> 00:10:27.919 a thing or spreadsheets. So I sort of moved everything 166 00:10:27.919 --> 00:10:32.120 over into sort of like a tabular, sort of spreadsheet 167 00:10:32.200 --> 00:10:35.799 based database. And then I realized I was getting so 168 00:10:36.080 --> 00:10:40.720 much data I had to start splitting it into kind 169 00:10:40.759 --> 00:10:43.600 of chunks to make sense. So I had one for 170 00:10:43.799 --> 00:10:47.320 anniversary ghosts, one for ghosts that haunt roads and byways 171 00:10:47.360 --> 00:10:53.000 and paths, and one for ghosts in buildings, and life 172 00:10:53.000 --> 00:10:54.879 went on, and I carried on and I had my career, 173 00:10:55.279 --> 00:10:58.840 and then, like I say, I eventually got the chance 174 00:10:58.919 --> 00:11:03.720 to partially tire ten years ago. So I jumped a tip, 175 00:11:05.600 --> 00:11:07.320 went down to work in just three days a week, 176 00:11:08.240 --> 00:11:10.639 and my husband said, so what you're going to do 177 00:11:10.679 --> 00:11:13.279 with the other four days a week. You know, I'm 178 00:11:13.320 --> 00:11:16.360 going to write a book. So that's what I did, 179 00:11:16.679 --> 00:11:20.679 and it's just taken off from there. So ten books 180 00:11:20.720 --> 00:11:27.159 in they sell worldwide, which is really nice. And every 181 00:11:27.200 --> 00:11:29.960 time I managed to empty your database, one of the 182 00:11:29.960 --> 00:11:32.879 others is filling up. Because as I go out to 183 00:11:33.080 --> 00:11:35.960 you know what I call my ghost posts, looking for, 184 00:11:36.240 --> 00:11:38.879 you know, people who've seen something or experience something in 185 00:11:38.919 --> 00:11:43.480 the area. I'm interested in, people all right back and say, well, 186 00:11:43.480 --> 00:11:46.120 I haven't had anything on that road or in that 187 00:11:46.159 --> 00:11:48.039 pub or you know whatever it is I'm asking about, 188 00:11:48.720 --> 00:11:50.600 but I've got one in my house or where I 189 00:11:50.679 --> 00:11:54.320 work or on a different road or whatever. So of 190 00:11:54.360 --> 00:11:56.840 course I interview them and I add that to the database. 191 00:11:57.799 --> 00:11:59.519 And it's just like painting the fourth bridge, as we 192 00:11:59.559 --> 00:12:02.240 say here in the UK, it's a never ending task 193 00:12:02.320 --> 00:12:04.799 because as fast as you empty one another one is 194 00:12:04.840 --> 00:12:09.759 filling up and so there we are. So that's what 195 00:12:09.879 --> 00:12:13.799 led us to this point ten books in. But I 196 00:12:13.799 --> 00:12:16.799 think it's my need for data because my whole career 197 00:12:17.559 --> 00:12:21.960 was investigative. So I spent fifteen years as a fraud 198 00:12:22.039 --> 00:12:26.080 investigator and then another eighteen years as a bullying, harassment 199 00:12:26.120 --> 00:12:27.559 and discrimination investigator. 200 00:12:29.799 --> 00:12:33.159 So that seems like a good background for researching this stuff. 201 00:12:34.039 --> 00:12:36.840 Yeah, it's you know, it teaches you to gather the 202 00:12:36.919 --> 00:12:42.840 data to not lead your witnesses, you know, quite good 203 00:12:42.879 --> 00:12:46.240 interviewing techniques. We're sort of taught not you know, how 204 00:12:46.240 --> 00:12:48.320 to get the information you want, how to use silence, 205 00:12:48.320 --> 00:12:51.519 all the rest of it. Because partum, when I was 206 00:12:51.559 --> 00:12:54.159 doing the fraud interviews, you know, obviously they would end 207 00:12:54.200 --> 00:12:56.720 up in court, so they would be interviews under the 208 00:12:56.720 --> 00:13:00.600 police and criminal evidence app But it just means that 209 00:13:00.639 --> 00:13:05.759 you get used to collecting data, getting witness evidence, matching 210 00:13:05.759 --> 00:13:08.519 that up against other witness evidence or other types of evidence, 211 00:13:08.559 --> 00:13:13.320 and then presenting it. So yeah, that was kind of 212 00:13:13.320 --> 00:13:19.080 a good basis for how I present my books. And yeah, 213 00:13:19.279 --> 00:13:23.039 it just endlessly fascinates me because ten years in and 214 00:13:23.080 --> 00:13:26.799 I still don't know the answers to what causes apopolized. 215 00:13:28.240 --> 00:13:31.480 I got my suspicions, but I don't know the answer. 216 00:13:31.720 --> 00:13:34.480 I don't think anybody knows the answer yet. But I 217 00:13:34.519 --> 00:13:40.159 see my role as very much gather the data, get 218 00:13:40.200 --> 00:13:43.000 it recorded, get it put down for posterity, all these 219 00:13:43.039 --> 00:13:49.200 people's stories, and at some point someone, probably someone much 220 00:13:49.240 --> 00:13:51.919 brighter than me, will be able to make sense of 221 00:13:51.960 --> 00:13:56.039 all of this. But if we don't know capture those 222 00:13:56.080 --> 00:13:59.639 stories and get them put down, they'll just be lost 223 00:13:59.639 --> 00:14:02.000 in the noise, weren't they Yeah? 224 00:14:02.279 --> 00:14:05.080 Oh totally yeah, And you. 225 00:14:05.039 --> 00:14:09.679 Know, and already one of the things I got to 226 00:14:09.840 --> 00:14:17.080 when I I've fully retired last October. Who I'm still 227 00:14:17.159 --> 00:14:20.799 very excited about that. I remind my husband at least 228 00:14:20.840 --> 00:14:22.480 three times a week that I don't have to go 229 00:14:22.519 --> 00:14:24.919 to work anymore. Poor man. 230 00:14:25.000 --> 00:14:25.120 Who. 231 00:14:27.000 --> 00:14:30.840 So I was about I just published book number ten, 232 00:14:30.879 --> 00:14:33.279 and I was about to sort of set sail on 233 00:14:33.600 --> 00:14:39.279 number eleven. And a throwaway comment which I've heard a 234 00:14:39.360 --> 00:14:42.519 number of times, people so many times have said to me, 235 00:14:43.360 --> 00:14:47.879 why are all the ghosts Victorian? And I kind of 236 00:14:47.960 --> 00:14:52.480 always say, well, they're not. You know, my book's some 237 00:14:52.559 --> 00:14:55.639 ghosts of Victorian, sure, but they're not all Victorian. And 238 00:14:55.720 --> 00:14:57.840 I just like, I wonder how many of the book 239 00:14:58.200 --> 00:15:02.960 the ghosts I've written about are actually Victorian. And that 240 00:15:03.080 --> 00:15:06.639 was in October, and I finally is out of that 241 00:15:06.759 --> 00:15:13.399 rabbit hole in February because I just went a bit 242 00:15:13.519 --> 00:15:18.360 mad creating a new database where I've listed every one 243 00:15:18.399 --> 00:15:21.600 of the accounts in all ten books, and I've split 244 00:15:21.639 --> 00:15:25.120 the data every which way I can think of from 245 00:15:25.639 --> 00:15:29.360 what period the ghost was from, if known whether it 246 00:15:29.440 --> 00:15:32.879 was seen, because another thing people always say is why 247 00:15:32.919 --> 00:15:37.240 do ghost has always come out at night? Spoiler alert people? 248 00:15:37.279 --> 00:15:41.080 They don't they come out the day and night. So 249 00:15:41.159 --> 00:15:46.559 I've got are they dawn, day, dusk or night or unknown? 250 00:15:47.919 --> 00:15:51.279 Was it an apparition? Was it a fully formed apparition? 251 00:15:51.519 --> 00:15:54.639 Was it partially transparent? Was it just a bit of 252 00:15:54.679 --> 00:15:59.000 a person, you know, just lair, legs and an arm 253 00:15:59.080 --> 00:16:02.360 or whatever. Did it disappear right in front of the 254 00:16:02.360 --> 00:16:05.720 person or did it kind of exit stage left or 255 00:16:05.720 --> 00:16:07.679 did they look away and look back and it was gone, 256 00:16:07.679 --> 00:16:10.759 Because I'm quite interested in that whole thing's disappearing right 257 00:16:10.759 --> 00:16:11.759 in front of people thing? 258 00:16:12.159 --> 00:16:17.200 Right, Do you have any cases where things disappeared directly 259 00:16:17.240 --> 00:16:18.919 like someone saw something disappear? 260 00:16:19.879 --> 00:16:23.559 I have got loads of them, really loads of them, 261 00:16:23.720 --> 00:16:27.639 so many my absolute favorite one of those, and it 262 00:16:27.720 --> 00:16:31.360 really is my favorite example of something disappearing right in 263 00:16:31.360 --> 00:16:33.919 front of somebody. I can't for the life of me 264 00:16:34.039 --> 00:16:37.320 remember which part of the UK this was in, but 265 00:16:37.399 --> 00:16:40.559 it was somewhere up north or Midland Z sort of 266 00:16:40.639 --> 00:16:43.960 up that way somewhere. And it's a chap who owns 267 00:16:44.080 --> 00:16:51.039 a scrap yard, a vehicle scrapyard, and he has absolutely 268 00:16:51.679 --> 00:16:55.879 zero interest in the paranormal, doesn't believe in it, has 269 00:16:56.000 --> 00:16:59.840 zero interest in it, never watches anything, reads anything about it. 270 00:17:00.120 --> 00:17:03.039 So very down to worth kind of guy runs a 271 00:17:03.039 --> 00:17:08.359 scrap yard and the scrap yard that they've got they 272 00:17:08.519 --> 00:17:14.519 use a plot of land. This originally was a World 273 00:17:14.559 --> 00:17:19.799 War II temporary air base that was then abandoned at 274 00:17:19.839 --> 00:17:22.319 the end of World War II, left to go to 275 00:17:22.359 --> 00:17:25.240 scrub land, and all the buildings were sort of knocked 276 00:17:25.240 --> 00:17:27.759 down and what have you. But they bought the plot 277 00:17:27.759 --> 00:17:31.319 of land then fenced it in and it makes an 278 00:17:31.319 --> 00:17:34.480 ideal place for scrapping vehicles because all the old concrete 279 00:17:35.039 --> 00:17:39.000 platforms that the buildings stood on are still there. So 280 00:17:39.039 --> 00:17:41.079 they knocked all the scrub tree downs. They've got this 281 00:17:41.200 --> 00:17:43.799 nice sort of concrete lined area to scrap all these 282 00:17:43.880 --> 00:17:50.920 vehicles on and they specialize in scrapping like vintage special vehicles. 283 00:17:52.960 --> 00:17:54.519 And he got a call from one of his regular 284 00:17:54.519 --> 00:17:59.359 customers one night, late at night, saying, oh my god, 285 00:17:59.359 --> 00:18:03.440 I've broken down. I've got a puncture in one of 286 00:18:03.440 --> 00:18:06.079 the wheels. And it's one of these wheels that you 287 00:18:06.079 --> 00:18:07.839 you can't just put a tire on it. It has 288 00:18:07.880 --> 00:18:10.960 to have something, don't ask me, I'm not has to 289 00:18:11.000 --> 00:18:13.440 have something special anyway. He has to have this special wheel. 290 00:18:14.839 --> 00:18:18.000 Have you got this wheel for this nineteen twelve whatever 291 00:18:18.000 --> 00:18:21.200 it was car? You know? And he said, I have. 292 00:18:21.440 --> 00:18:24.279 I've got four of them, but I'm not separating them. 293 00:18:24.279 --> 00:18:27.000 You'll have to buy all four. So it's like, that's fine, 294 00:18:27.079 --> 00:18:29.720 that's fine. Can you bring them to me now, I'm 295 00:18:29.759 --> 00:18:33.240 at the side of the road wherever. So there he 296 00:18:33.359 --> 00:18:37.720 is a gone midnight. He goes to the scrap yard, 297 00:18:38.400 --> 00:18:43.240 lets himself in. He's busy emptying the back of his 298 00:18:43.319 --> 00:18:46.039 land drover and to put these four wheels into the 299 00:18:46.079 --> 00:18:48.680 back of his land rover. He's just done that when 300 00:18:48.680 --> 00:18:53.240 he hears somebody shouting, so he's literally, you know, this 301 00:18:53.279 --> 00:18:55.799 scrap yard is out of town, you know, it's not 302 00:18:55.880 --> 00:18:59.000 in the town, so he's in the middle of the countryside. 303 00:18:59.000 --> 00:19:02.119 In effect, it's getting on fo one o'clock in the morning. 304 00:19:02.200 --> 00:19:05.160 By now he's on his own in this scrapyard and 305 00:19:05.359 --> 00:19:10.039 somebody's shouting at him, so he hurriedly turns round, closing 306 00:19:10.079 --> 00:19:12.240 the land of over doors behind him, so they didn't 307 00:19:12.240 --> 00:19:16.319 see these valuable wheels. And they're striding towards him. Is 308 00:19:16.359 --> 00:19:20.960 this bloke wearing jeans, a white T shirt and braces 309 00:19:21.559 --> 00:19:26.759 over the jeans, yelling at him like what the effing 310 00:19:27.200 --> 00:19:29.440 lives that? And you know, are you doing here on 311 00:19:29.480 --> 00:19:33.279 my land? And of course he starts yelling back at 312 00:19:33.279 --> 00:19:36.279 the bloke, what the hell do you mean? What am 313 00:19:36.279 --> 00:19:39.559 I doing here? This is my land? Who the heck 314 00:19:39.640 --> 00:19:41.960 you know? Who the hell do you think you are? 315 00:19:41.599 --> 00:19:45.599 And so you can imagine these two men. They get 316 00:19:45.720 --> 00:19:48.279 within about six feet of each other, still yelling at 317 00:19:48.279 --> 00:19:51.359 each other, and he's bracing himself. This is going to 318 00:19:51.400 --> 00:19:53.559 be a fight. This must be some guy that's broken 319 00:19:53.559 --> 00:19:55.160 in and has he got mates with him or something. 320 00:19:55.960 --> 00:19:58.920 And as they're yelling at him at each other, the 321 00:19:58.960 --> 00:20:01.799 other bloke, the one in the T shirt and jeans, 322 00:20:02.279 --> 00:20:06.119 just blinks out of existence right in front of the 323 00:20:06.599 --> 00:20:12.599 mid yell, and he's just left standing there in this empty, 324 00:20:13.119 --> 00:20:21.480 silent scrap yard of old vehicles, thinking what the heck 325 00:20:22.240 --> 00:20:29.319 just happened? I don't believe in this rubbish? What do 326 00:20:29.400 --> 00:20:32.279 I do with that? What? And that's that's how we 327 00:20:32.400 --> 00:20:34.200 spoke to me, because you know, I spoke to him 328 00:20:34.200 --> 00:20:36.640 over the phone about it, and he said, and he 329 00:20:36.720 --> 00:20:38.480 just kept saying to me, what do I do with that? 330 00:20:40.240 --> 00:20:42.480 I don't believe in ghosts. I don't believe in life 331 00:20:42.480 --> 00:20:44.440 after death. I don't believe in the paranormal. I don't 332 00:20:44.440 --> 00:20:48.160 believe in UFOs. But how do I explain a bloke 333 00:20:48.559 --> 00:20:51.559 yelling at me and then just blinking out right from 334 00:20:54.079 --> 00:20:55.640 And all I could do was assure him that it 335 00:20:55.680 --> 00:20:59.039 wasn't the only account I'd got of apparitions blinking right 336 00:20:59.039 --> 00:20:59.880 out in front of people. 337 00:21:00.079 --> 00:21:05.359 So I have to wonder if there's someone in another 338 00:21:06.160 --> 00:21:08.680 time who sees this guy on his property and he's 339 00:21:08.720 --> 00:21:11.079 yelling at him and that guy just blinks out on him. 340 00:21:11.759 --> 00:21:15.759 Yeah, Because I mean, from the description what he was wearing, jeans, 341 00:21:15.880 --> 00:21:19.160 the white T shirt with braces over that could easily 342 00:21:19.160 --> 00:21:22.599 be from World War Two, couldn't it. Yeah, you know, 343 00:21:23.759 --> 00:21:27.799 so that could easily have been somebody off duty on 344 00:21:27.880 --> 00:21:30.119 the site in World War Two when it was an 345 00:21:30.119 --> 00:21:34.400 active site, thinking he's suddenly seen this intruder at the 346 00:21:34.400 --> 00:21:37.519 back of a land rover. And bear in mind it 347 00:21:37.559 --> 00:21:40.799 was a land rover he drives, and the land rovers 348 00:21:40.880 --> 00:21:44.680 were around in World War Two. Yeah, you know, so 349 00:21:44.759 --> 00:21:47.519 there's not that much difference in the vehicle that they're 350 00:21:47.519 --> 00:21:51.440 each looking at. If he still to me, so, yeah, 351 00:21:51.480 --> 00:21:54.039 perhaps it was a time slip. And like you say, 352 00:21:55.200 --> 00:21:57.400 if we were only able to find it, perhaps as 353 00:21:57.440 --> 00:21:59.759 an account somewhere from some guy in World War Two. 354 00:22:00.119 --> 00:22:02.440 You never believe what happened when I was fun or 355 00:22:02.519 --> 00:22:07.440 just going off duty tonight or whatever. But yeah, and 356 00:22:07.480 --> 00:22:08.240 there it rests. 357 00:22:08.440 --> 00:22:11.720 You know, that would be amazing if you can find 358 00:22:11.759 --> 00:22:14.839 the other side of that account. 359 00:22:14.440 --> 00:22:19.160 Wouldn't it be brilliant? Wishing for a bit much there, I. 360 00:22:19.079 --> 00:22:22.319 Think, Yeah, yeah, you never know, maybe one day you'll 361 00:22:22.359 --> 00:22:23.400 find something like that. 362 00:22:25.160 --> 00:22:28.000 Well, I mean this is why, like I said, I 363 00:22:28.079 --> 00:22:36.880 specializing correlations, and my best correlations so far. Apologies to 364 00:22:36.920 --> 00:22:39.079 anybody's listened to me taught before, because I talk endlessly 365 00:22:39.079 --> 00:22:41.839 about this one because it fascinates me. There's a small 366 00:22:41.880 --> 00:22:45.480 village about I don't know, maybe fifteen miles north of 367 00:22:45.519 --> 00:22:49.400 me called Riseley in the north of Bedfordshire. It's only 368 00:22:49.400 --> 00:22:55.759 a tiny little village, and I started researching it right 369 00:22:55.799 --> 00:23:00.319 back in about twenty seventeen twenty eighteen time for my 370 00:23:00.440 --> 00:23:05.160 first volume of roadmap of British Ghosts, because I'd come 371 00:23:05.200 --> 00:23:08.200 across a little snippeted to an account that said a 372 00:23:08.279 --> 00:23:11.240 farmer was working on the ditch at the side of 373 00:23:11.279 --> 00:23:14.440 the road next to a hedge when he heard the 374 00:23:14.440 --> 00:23:17.160 sound of a galloping horse come towards him from the 375 00:23:17.200 --> 00:23:20.079 other side of the hedge. The horse suddenly burst through 376 00:23:20.119 --> 00:23:23.640 the hedge and galloped on down the road. Except there 377 00:23:23.680 --> 00:23:27.799 was no horse, it was just sound. And that was 378 00:23:27.799 --> 00:23:29.960 the little snippet of a ghost story that I found. 379 00:23:30.559 --> 00:23:33.519 And what I do then is I start with ones 380 00:23:33.559 --> 00:23:36.680 like that that were within my lifetime. That's my kind 381 00:23:36.720 --> 00:23:40.640 of base criteria, and then I go out on social media, 382 00:23:41.559 --> 00:23:44.519 or if I'm close enough, I'll even put posters up 383 00:23:44.559 --> 00:23:48.000 in shops or whatever in the local area. There is 384 00:23:48.000 --> 00:23:51.119 anybody willing to talk to me, has anybody experienced anything 385 00:23:51.359 --> 00:23:54.559 on this bit of wreck And I never say what 386 00:23:54.759 --> 00:23:57.079 exactly you know, I never say because I've heard of 387 00:23:57.119 --> 00:23:59.119 this story of this, you know, I just say, has 388 00:23:59.119 --> 00:24:01.799 anybody experienced an the can't explain or of a possible 389 00:24:01.839 --> 00:24:07.759 haunting or whatever. And to date, over the intervening years, 390 00:24:07.759 --> 00:24:09.519 as each book has come out and I've updated it 391 00:24:09.559 --> 00:24:11.240 and more people have seen it and got in touch, 392 00:24:11.599 --> 00:24:14.559 I think I'm up to about nine or ten accounts 393 00:24:14.599 --> 00:24:18.920 of it. And it's all around that village. It's not 394 00:24:19.039 --> 00:24:24.519 on that one lane. So I've got one where, just 395 00:24:24.519 --> 00:24:25.720 thinking off the top of my head, I've got one 396 00:24:25.720 --> 00:24:29.079 where a party of girls have been out on the 397 00:24:29.319 --> 00:24:32.519 local town for the night, you know, returning home to 398 00:24:32.519 --> 00:24:35.839 the village in the car late at night, traveling down 399 00:24:35.880 --> 00:24:39.559 the small little lanes that lead to the village. Cars 400 00:24:39.759 --> 00:24:43.319 headlights are on mainbeam, and ahead of them in the road, 401 00:24:43.480 --> 00:24:47.559