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Speaker 5: Welcome to this edition of Where Did the Road Go?
Speaker 5: And tonight for the first time, I have joining me
Speaker 5: Ruth roper Wilde. Hello there.
Speaker 3: Hi really pleased to be here.
Speaker 5: And you are based out of where.
Speaker 3: I'm in, Bedfordshire in the UK. I'm just about fifty
Speaker 3: miles due north of London, okay.
Speaker 5: And you have a series of ten books out now,
Speaker 5: is that correct?
Speaker 3: That's right. I had the opportunity to take partial early
Speaker 3: retirement ten years ago, and I've been collecting all this
Speaker 3: data about the paranormal for practically all of my adult life,
Speaker 3: and I thought I'm going to give it a go
Speaker 3: writing a book. And here I am ten years later,
Speaker 3: and I seem to have forgotten to stop writing books.
Speaker 5: I just kept going, Well, that's a good thing. I mean,
Speaker 5: obviously enjoy it.
Speaker 3: I absolutely love it. I love the fact because I
Speaker 3: get to speak to so many people, because I find
Speaker 3: my own witnesses. I specialize in finding correlations, so I
Speaker 3: go out and speak to the public, find people who've
Speaker 3: experienced something odd in whichever location I'm interested in. At
Speaker 3: that moment in time, speak to my own witnesses, either
Speaker 3: correspondence or interview them, or if they're close enough, I'll
Speaker 3: meet up with them, and then their accounts go into
Speaker 3: the books. So yeah, absolutely love it.
Speaker 5: What got you interested in this stuff in the first place.
Speaker 3: I grew up in a house which had a very
Speaker 3: active poltergeist in it. Oh yeah, So I was born
Speaker 3: in the sixties, so I was growing up through the seventies,
Speaker 3: and we lived in a fairly modern housing estate for
Speaker 3: UK standards, So our house was only about maybe seventy
Speaker 3: or eighty years old maybe, so you know, quite a
Speaker 3: modern house. No idea of any back history or backstory
Speaker 3: to it or anything like that. We just suddenly had
Speaker 3: all this weird stuff started happening. And it wouldn't do
Speaker 3: it all the time, you know, sometimes had been months
Speaker 3: between things happening. But it would do all the classic
Speaker 3: poltergeist type things like loud noises in the middle of
Speaker 3: the night, sound of glass smashing, sound of furniture smashing.
Speaker 3: It would move things. It wasn't suckle like so many
Speaker 3: poltergeists that I get told about are where you put
Speaker 3: something down, turn away, turn back, and the thing has
Speaker 3: moved r hour would just move it right in front
Speaker 3: of you so you'd be standing. Just to give you
Speaker 3: an example, I was in the I must have been
Speaker 3: about fifteen or sixteen at this point, and I was
Speaker 3: standing in the kitchen helping my mum clear up after
Speaker 3: us kids had had a tea and we were chatting away.
Speaker 3: It was summer's evening, so it was, you know, bright sunshine,
Speaker 3: about six o'clock in the evening. And you know how
Speaker 3: when you're doing the washing up and drying up, you've
Speaker 3: got a tea towel to dry the dishes up. Quite
Speaker 3: often you kind of screw that up and chuck it
Speaker 3: on the side before you get around folding it up
Speaker 3: and putting it away. So if you imagine this sort
Speaker 3: of chucked on the side, you know, this teetawel, and
Speaker 3: we both caught movement out of the corner of our
Speaker 3: eye and turned to look at the same time, and
Speaker 3: the tea towel was flattening itself out until it was
Speaker 3: completely flat on the surface, and then it folded itself
Speaker 3: once one way, once the opposite way, and then once
Speaker 3: again the first way until it was in a neat
Speaker 3: little square. Well, Mum and I just stood there and
Speaker 3: watched it do it and then kind of looked at
Speaker 3: each other and went, Okay, so that happened, and it
Speaker 3: just left me. It would do all sorts of things.
Speaker 3: It would terrify my sister when she went to the
Speaker 3: bathroom to have a bath. It would bang on the
Speaker 3: door like really loudly, like really badly, to the point
Speaker 3: where she begged me to go and sit with her
Speaker 3: while she had a bath. And I was sitting in
Speaker 3: there and it did it, and I flung the door open,
Speaker 3: thinking it would be our little brother trying to scare her,
Speaker 3: and there was nobody there at all, even though the
Speaker 3: door was being pounded on as I flung it open.
Speaker 3: So sometimes it was just kind of mischievous. Sometimes it
Speaker 3: was a bit nasty, and it just it left me
Speaker 3: with this absolute fascination of Okay, so that's happening. This
Speaker 3: isn't a question of do I believe it or not
Speaker 3: believe it. That's kind of like saying do you believe
Speaker 3: that the rain is falling or not falling? Because that
Speaker 3: house it was happening, you know, but it was like, well,
Speaker 3: but what's causing it? What is making this happen? And
Speaker 3: back then in the seventies. Obviously we didn't have computers,
Speaker 3: we didn't have the Internet, so if I wanted to
Speaker 3: find anything out, it meant going to a library. So
Speaker 3: I did that, and I started picking up Whenever I
Speaker 3: could find a book about ghosts, I'd buy it, you know,
Speaker 3: from a second hand book store or whatever, spent my
Speaker 3: pocket money on them. And all of them tended to
Speaker 3: talk about, you know, black monks floating around in old abbey's,
Speaker 3: or knights on horses, galloping through castles and whaling, ladies
Speaker 3: on church parapets and things, all the old ghost stories
Speaker 3: you get in the UK, and very little about people
Speaker 3: like me living in the modern times with something stupid
Speaker 3: happening in their house that was fairly regular, alarming regularity,
Speaker 3: and it just it just made me want to know
Speaker 3: what is causing this, what is the answer to this.
Speaker 3: I come from a family that's firmly atheist in background.
Speaker 3: My mother was a radio engineer in the RAF so
Speaker 3: she was a very engine neering and practical minded woman,
Speaker 3: and she absolutely did not believe in this nonsense. So
Speaker 3: whenever something would happen, she would try to find the
Speaker 3: logical explanation for it. So one occasion, a knife on
Speaker 3: the side of the table started spinning again. Mum and
Speaker 3: I were in the room, and it spun off the
Speaker 3: table and kept spinning right across the room and eventually
Speaker 3: hit the floor. And she just went and got a
Speaker 3: tape measure and measured the distance from the edge of
Speaker 3: the table to where the knife was on the floor
Speaker 3: and said eight feet whatever inches it was, and just
Speaker 3: kind of went, well, that wasn't gravity, then, was it.
Speaker 3: And that was kind of her attitude. She didn't act
Speaker 3: scared of it. She didn't, you know, try and sort
Speaker 3: of come up with a dismissal of it or anything.
Speaker 3: She just kept when I find a logical explanation for
Speaker 3: what was happening, I guess it kind of just made
Speaker 3: me the same way, because you do tend to following
Speaker 3: parents to a certain extent, can't you. And yeah, so
Speaker 3: I started whenever I did find a story that was
Speaker 3: modern or sort of within my lifetime. So from the
Speaker 3: nineteen sixties onwards, I started collecting clippings and what have you.
Speaker 3: And then obviously I grew up and I left school
Speaker 3: and I started my first job, and my first job
Speaker 3: was in a library. And again, to you know, too
Speaker 3: early for computers and that. So we had the old
Speaker 3: card files that all the books were listed on, and
Speaker 3: I learned the dewy system and the card file system,
Speaker 3: so I thought, oh, I could I could record all
Speaker 3: this information I've got about ghosts on a card file.
Speaker 3: So I bought myself a card file at home and
Speaker 3: set up a card file. And time went on, and
Speaker 3: you know, I left home and started my life and
Speaker 3: career like you do, and computers became a thing. Household
Speaker 3: computers became a thing. So I moved the card file
Speaker 3: onto the computer on an actual system that looked like
Speaker 3: a card file. I thought it was so modern back then.
Speaker 3: Look at this, I've got an electronic card bath. Then
Speaker 3: it was just fabulous, you know, it was just so amazing.
Speaker 3: And then of course time moves on and databases became
Speaker 3: a thing or spreadsheets. So I sort of moved everything
Speaker 3: over into sort of like a tabular, sort of spreadsheet
Speaker 3: based database. And then I realized I was getting so
Speaker 3: much data I had to start splitting it into kind
Speaker 3: of chunks to make sense. So I had one for
Speaker 3: anniversary ghosts, one for ghosts that haunt roads and byways
Speaker 3: and paths, and one for ghosts in buildings, and life
Speaker 3: went on, and I carried on and I had my career,
Speaker 3: and then, like I say, I eventually got the chance
Speaker 3: to partially tire ten years ago. So I jumped a tip,
Speaker 3: went down to work in just three days a week,
Speaker 3: and my husband said, so what you're going to do
Speaker 3: with the other four days a week. You know, I'm
Speaker 3: going to write a book. So that's what I did,
Speaker 3: and it's just taken off from there. So ten books
Speaker 3: in they sell worldwide, which is really nice. And every
Speaker 3: time I managed to empty your database, one of the
Speaker 3: others is filling up. Because as I go out to
Speaker 3: you know what I call my ghost posts, looking for,
Speaker 3: you know, people who've seen something or experience something in
Speaker 3: the area. I'm interested in, people all right back and say, well,
Speaker 3: I haven't had anything on that road or in that
Speaker 3: pub or you know whatever it is I'm asking about,
Speaker 3: but I've got one in my house or where I
Speaker 3: work or on a different road or whatever. So of
Speaker 3: course I interview them and I add that to the database.
Speaker 3: And it's just like painting the fourth bridge, as we
Speaker 3: say here in the UK, it's a never ending task
Speaker 3: because as fast as you empty one another one is
Speaker 3: filling up and so there we are. So that's what
Speaker 3: led us to this point ten books in. But I
Speaker 3: think it's my need for data because my whole career
Speaker 3: was investigative. So I spent fifteen years as a fraud
Speaker 3: investigator and then another eighteen years as a bullying, harassment
Speaker 3: and discrimination investigator.
Speaker 5: So that seems like a good background for researching this stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's you know, it teaches you to gather the
Speaker 3: data to not lead your witnesses, you know, quite good
Speaker 3: interviewing techniques. We're sort of taught not you know, how
Speaker 3: to get the information you want, how to use silence,
Speaker 3: all the rest of it. Because partum, when I was
Speaker 3: doing the fraud interviews, you know, obviously they would end
Speaker 3: up in court, so they would be interviews under the
Speaker 3: police and criminal evidence app But it just means that
Speaker 3: you get used to collecting data, getting witness evidence, matching
Speaker 3: that up against other witness evidence or other types of evidence,
Speaker 3: and then presenting it. So yeah, that was kind of
Speaker 3: a good basis for how I present my books. And yeah,
Speaker 3: it just endlessly fascinates me because ten years in and
Speaker 3: I still don't know the answers to what causes apopolized.
Speaker 3: I got my suspicions, but I don't know the answer.
Speaker 3: I don't think anybody knows the answer yet. But I
Speaker 3: see my role as very much gather the data, get
Speaker 3: it recorded, get it put down for posterity, all these
Speaker 3: people's stories, and at some point someone, probably someone much
Speaker 3: brighter than me, will be able to make sense of
Speaker 3: all of this. But if we don't know capture those
Speaker 3: stories and get them put down, they'll just be lost
Speaker 3: in the noise, weren't they Yeah?
Speaker 5: Oh totally yeah, And you.
Speaker 3: Know, and already one of the things I got to
Speaker 3: when I I've fully retired last October. Who I'm still
Speaker 3: very excited about that. I remind my husband at least
Speaker 3: three times a week that I don't have to go
Speaker 3: to work anymore. Poor man.
Speaker 1: Who.
Speaker 3: So I was about I just published book number ten,
Speaker 3: and I was about to sort of set sail on
Speaker 3: number eleven. And a throwaway comment which I've heard a
Speaker 3: number of times, people so many times have said to me,
Speaker 3: why are all the ghosts Victorian? And I kind of
Speaker 3: always say, well, they're not. You know, my book's some
Speaker 3: ghosts of Victorian, sure, but they're not all Victorian. And
Speaker 3: I just like, I wonder how many of the book
Speaker 3: the ghosts I've written about are actually Victorian. And that
Speaker 3: was in October, and I finally is out of that
Speaker 3: rabbit hole in February because I just went a bit
Speaker 3: mad creating a new database where I've listed every one
Speaker 3: of the accounts in all ten books, and I've split
Speaker 3: the data every which way I can think of from
Speaker 3: what period the ghost was from, if known whether it
Speaker 3: was seen, because another thing people always say is why
Speaker 3: do ghost has always come out at night? Spoiler alert people?
Speaker 3: They don't they come out the day and night. So
Speaker 3: I've got are they dawn, day, dusk or night or unknown?
Speaker 3: Was it an apparition? Was it a fully formed apparition?
Speaker 3: Was it partially transparent? Was it just a bit of
Speaker 3: a person, you know, just lair, legs and an arm
Speaker 3: or whatever. Did it disappear right in front of the
Speaker 3: person or did it kind of exit stage left or
Speaker 3: did they look away and look back and it was gone,
Speaker 3: Because I'm quite interested in that whole thing's disappearing right
Speaker 3: in front of people thing?
Speaker 5: Right, Do you have any cases where things disappeared directly
Speaker 5: like someone saw something disappear?
Speaker 3: I have got loads of them, really loads of them,
Speaker 3: so many my absolute favorite one of those, and it
Speaker 3: really is my favorite example of something disappearing right in
Speaker 3: front of somebody. I can't for the life of me
Speaker 3: remember which part of the UK this was in, but
Speaker 3: it was somewhere up north or Midland Z sort of
Speaker 3: up that way somewhere. And it's a chap who owns
Speaker 3: a scrap yard, a vehicle scrapyard, and he has absolutely
Speaker 3: zero interest in the paranormal, doesn't believe in it, has
Speaker 3: zero interest in it, never watches anything, reads anything about it.
Speaker 3: So very down to worth kind of guy runs a
Speaker 3: scrap yard and the scrap yard that they've got they
Speaker 3: use a plot of land. This originally was a World
Speaker 3: War II temporary air base that was then abandoned at
Speaker 3: the end of World War II, left to go to
Speaker 3: scrub land, and all the buildings were sort of knocked
Speaker 3: down and what have you. But they bought the plot
Speaker 3: of land then fenced it in and it makes an
Speaker 3: ideal place for scrapping vehicles because all the old concrete
Speaker 3: platforms that the buildings stood on are still there. So
Speaker 3: they knocked all the scrub tree downs. They've got this
Speaker 3: nice sort of concrete lined area to scrap all these
Speaker 3: vehicles on and they specialize in scrapping like vintage special vehicles.
Speaker 3: And he got a call from one of his regular
Speaker 3: customers one night, late at night, saying, oh my god,
Speaker 3: I've broken down. I've got a puncture in one of
Speaker 3: the wheels. And it's one of these wheels that you
Speaker 3: you can't just put a tire on it. It has
Speaker 3: to have something, don't ask me, I'm not has to
Speaker 3: have something special anyway. He has to have this special wheel.
Speaker 3: Have you got this wheel for this nineteen twelve whatever
Speaker 3: it was car? You know? And he said, I have.
Speaker 3: I've got four of them, but I'm not separating them.
Speaker 3: You'll have to buy all four. So it's like, that's fine,
Speaker 3: that's fine. Can you bring them to me now, I'm
Speaker 3: at the side of the road wherever. So there he
Speaker 3: is a gone midnight. He goes to the scrap yard,
Speaker 3: lets himself in. He's busy emptying the back of his
Speaker 3: land drover and to put these four wheels into the
Speaker 3: back of his land rover. He's just done that when
Speaker 3: he hears somebody shouting, so he's literally, you know, this
Speaker 3: scrap yard is out of town, you know, it's not
Speaker 3: in the town, so he's in the middle of the countryside.
Speaker 3: In effect, it's getting on fo one o'clock in the morning.
Speaker 3: By now he's on his own in this scrapyard and
Speaker 3: somebody's shouting at him, so he hurriedly turns round, closing
Speaker 3: the land of over doors behind him, so they didn't
Speaker 3: see these valuable wheels. And they're striding towards him. Is
Speaker 3: this bloke wearing jeans, a white T shirt and braces
Speaker 3: over the jeans, yelling at him like what the effing
Speaker 3: lives that? And you know, are you doing here on
Speaker 3: my land? And of course he starts yelling back at
Speaker 3: the bloke, what the hell do you mean? What am
Speaker 3: I doing here? This is my land? Who the heck
Speaker 3: you know? Who the hell do you think you are?
Speaker 3: And so you can imagine these two men. They get
Speaker 3: within about six feet of each other, still yelling at
Speaker 3: each other, and he's bracing himself. This is going to
Speaker 3: be a fight. This must be some guy that's broken
Speaker 3: in and has he got mates with him or something.
Speaker 3: And as they're yelling at him at each other, the
Speaker 3: other bloke, the one in the T shirt and jeans,
Speaker 3: just blinks out of existence right in front of the
Speaker 3: mid yell, and he's just left standing there in this empty,
Speaker 3: silent scrap yard of old vehicles, thinking what the heck
Speaker 3: just happened? I don't believe in this rubbish? What do
Speaker 3: I do with that? What? And that's that's how we
Speaker 3: spoke to me, because you know, I spoke to him
Speaker 3: over the phone about it, and he said, and he
Speaker 3: just kept saying to me, what do I do with that?
Speaker 3: I don't believe in ghosts. I don't believe in life
Speaker 3: after death. I don't believe in the paranormal. I don't
Speaker 3: believe in UFOs. But how do I explain a bloke
Speaker 3: yelling at me and then just blinking out right from
Speaker 3: And all I could do was assure him that it
Speaker 3: wasn't the only account I'd got of apparitions blinking right
Speaker 3: out in front of people.
Speaker 5: So I have to wonder if there's someone in another
Speaker 5: time who sees this guy on his property and he's
Speaker 5: yelling at him and that guy just blinks out on him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Because I mean, from the description what he was wearing, jeans,
Speaker 3: the white T shirt with braces over that could easily
Speaker 3: be from World War Two, couldn't it. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 3: so that could easily have been somebody off duty on
Speaker 3: the site in World War Two when it was an
Speaker 3: active site, thinking he's suddenly seen this intruder at the
Speaker 3: back of a land rover. And bear in mind it
Speaker 3: was a land rover he drives, and the land rovers
Speaker 3: were around in World War Two. Yeah, you know, so
Speaker 3: there's not that much difference in the vehicle that they're
Speaker 3: each looking at. If he still to me, so, yeah,
Speaker 3: perhaps it was a time slip. And like you say,
Speaker 3: if we were only able to find it, perhaps as
Speaker 3: an account somewhere from some guy in World War Two.
Speaker 3: You never believe what happened when I was fun or
Speaker 3: just going off duty tonight or whatever. But yeah, and
Speaker 3: there it rests.
Speaker 5: You know, that would be amazing if you can find
Speaker 5: the other side of that account.
Speaker 3: Wouldn't it be brilliant? Wishing for a bit much there, I.
Speaker 5: Think, Yeah, yeah, you never know, maybe one day you'll
Speaker 5: find something like that.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean this is why, like I said, I
Speaker 3: specializing correlations, and my best correlations so far. Apologies to
Speaker 3: anybody's listened to me taught before, because I talk endlessly
Speaker 3: about this one because it fascinates me. There's a small
Speaker 3: village about I don't know, maybe fifteen miles north of
Speaker 3: me called Riseley in the north of Bedfordshire. It's only
Speaker 3: a tiny little village, and I started researching it right
Speaker 3: back in about twenty seventeen twenty eighteen time for my
Speaker 3: first volume of roadmap of British Ghosts, because I'd come
Speaker 3: across a little snippeted to an account that said a
Speaker 3: farmer was working on the ditch at the side of
Speaker 3: the road next to a hedge when he heard the
Speaker 3: sound of a galloping horse come towards him from the
Speaker 3: other side of the hedge. The horse suddenly burst through
Speaker 3: the hedge and galloped on down the road. Except there
Speaker 3: was no horse, it was just sound. And that was
Speaker 3: the little snippet of a ghost story that I found.
Speaker 3: And what I do then is I start with ones
Speaker 3: like that that were within my lifetime. That's my kind
Speaker 3: of base criteria, and then I go out on social media,
Speaker 3: or if I'm close enough, I'll even put posters up
Speaker 3: in shops or whatever in the local area. There is
Speaker 3: anybody willing to talk to me, has anybody experienced anything
Speaker 3: on this bit of wreck And I never say what
Speaker 3: exactly you know, I never say because I've heard of
Speaker 3: this story of this, you know, I just say, has
Speaker 3: anybody experienced an the can't explain or of a possible
Speaker 3: haunting or whatever. And to date, over the intervening years,
Speaker 3: as each book has come out and I've updated it
Speaker 3: and more people have seen it and got in touch,
Speaker 3: I think I'm up to about nine or ten accounts
Speaker 3: of it. And it's all around that village. It's not
Speaker 3: on that one lane. So I've got one where, just
Speaker 3: thinking off the top of my head, I've got one
Speaker 3: where a party of girls have been out on the
Speaker 3: local town for the night, you know, returning home to
Speaker 3: the village in the car late at night, traveling down
Speaker 3: the small little lanes that lead to the village. Cars
Speaker 3: headlights are on mainbeam, and ahead of them in the road,
Speaker 3: a horse jumps through the hedge, gallops across the road
Speaker 3: and through the hedge on the opposite side and outside.
Speaker 3: Except it's not a horse. It's just the outline of
Speaker 3: a horse. So it is just the outline that jumps
Speaker 3: through the hedge gallop and you can see through the
Speaker 3: rest of it, but it's just an outline. I've got
Speaker 3: somebody else whose cottage is on the High Street in
Speaker 3: the village, and their front door literally opens onto the
Speaker 3: high street. And they stepped out there at about midnight
Speaker 3: one night, probably for a cigarette or something, and they
Speaker 3: stood out just it was a lucky summer's evening, just
Speaker 3: sort of enjoying the evening. There aren't many street lights
Speaker 3: around there, so the village is very dark, and they
Speaker 3: heard a horse clip clopping down the high street. So
Speaker 3: they thought, well, who on earth is out riding a
Speaker 3: horse at this time of night. Oh my god, I
Speaker 3: wonder if somebody's stealing a horse. So they sort of
Speaker 3: start looking up the road to see this horse coming,
Speaker 3: and the sound clip clock clip clops down the high
Speaker 3: street right past them and down and fades away, never
Speaker 3: anything to see, just the sound of clip clock cliplop
Speaker 3: as it goes past. Another couple went to do a
Speaker 3: Sunday afternoon walk from the village and with their dog,
Speaker 3: and they thought they'd do a nice circular walk. They'd
Speaker 3: walk out the village down the lanes for a bit
Speaker 3: and then cut across some fields where there's a footpath,
Speaker 3: onto another lane, and then back into the village from
Speaker 3: the other end. Sort of thing, nice circular walk, and
Speaker 3: they're walking down the first lane, which has a high
Speaker 3: hedge on one side of it, and the whole time
Speaker 3: they're walking down this lane, the other side of this
Speaker 3: high edge, they can hear a horse snorting and stomping
Speaker 3: and generally getting quite upset, and they imagine it's getting
Speaker 3: upset because of the presence of their dog, which was
Speaker 3: of course on a lead at this point, because he's
Speaker 3: on the road, and they're discussing. The husband and wife
Speaker 3: are discussing, well, we've got to walk across a footpath
Speaker 3: there in a minute. When we turn at the end
Speaker 3: of this hedge, perhaps we ought to go a different way.
Speaker 3: What if the horses in the field. And husband said, well,
Speaker 3: let's just look round the edge of the hedge, because
Speaker 3: it might be that it's on the other side of
Speaker 3: a fence from where our footpath is going, in which
Speaker 3: case we're fine, we can keep on going, but if
Speaker 3: we've got across the field that the horse is in,
Speaker 3: we'd better not because it sounds really angry and upset
Speaker 3: by the dog. So they walked to the end of
Speaker 3: the hedge and the horse is stomping and snorting and
Speaker 3: carrying on the other side of the hedge, and they
Speaker 3: walk around the hedge the end of the hedge, and
Speaker 3: there from them is an open vistra fields as far
Speaker 3: as the eye can see, and not a single large
Speaker 3: beast of any description, let alone a horse. There's no cows,
Speaker 3: there's no sheep, there's no nothing. It's just an empty field.
Speaker 3: And yet the horse has been snorting until seconds earlier,
Speaker 3: right right so, and yes, so the CAP's caring like that.
Speaker 3: They cover three decades. None of them are quite the
Speaker 3: same as the other, but they all involver horse in
Speaker 3: some way. And what do you make of that? Well?
Speaker 3: What do you make? I have wondered whether I've I've
Speaker 3: found out that there used to be a hunting stables
Speaker 3: in the area, you know, a widely used one, back
Speaker 3: in the sort of late eighteen hundreds into the nineteen hundreds.
Speaker 3: Is it perhaps something to do with that? All over
Speaker 3: Britain there are sites where the Civil War was fought,
Speaker 3: or even earlier battles, and you know, we've got such
Speaker 3: a long history. Is it perhaps something to do with
Speaker 3: one of those? But there's no particular battle listed for
Speaker 3: that area, you know, no famous one or well known.
Speaker 3: It wasn't a skirmish or whatever in the area, Or
Speaker 3: have we got something like a trickster type spirit which
Speaker 3: here in the UK we'd call a boggot those of
Speaker 3: you with Harry Potter on the mind, or remember seeing
Speaker 3: boggots being used in fence against the dark arts magic.
Speaker 3: But essentially a boggot is a some kind of elemental
Speaker 3: entity that likes to just muck around and you know,
Speaker 3: play tricks on people. So have we got something like that.
Speaker 3: There is a pond on the far side of the
Speaker 3: village which actually me and my husband went to look
Speaker 3: at only a couple of months back, just because I
Speaker 3: wanted to actually look and see it, which very curiously
Speaker 3: is called Tommy Knocker's pond.
Speaker 5: Hmm.
Speaker 3: And when I say pond, when you actually get there,
Speaker 3: this is little more than a depression in the ground
Speaker 3: that occasionally fills up with water when it rains a lot.
Speaker 3: It's not really a pond. It's just a boggy bit
Speaker 3: and it's really small, you know, you could walk across
Speaker 3: it in ten strides maximum if it was dry. At
Speaker 3: the point we visited it, it was a bit muddy, but
Speaker 3: there wasn't any standing water despite it having rained most
Speaker 3: of the winter. The legend that goes with it is
Speaker 3: that it's called Tommy Knocker's pond because Tommy Knocker fell
Speaker 3: in it and drowned. But what bothers me about it
Speaker 3: is a Tommy knocker. It's an old Cornish term for
Speaker 3: a mischievous entity that lives underground in a mine, right, right,
Speaker 3: So the tin miners of Cornwall would talk about Tommy
Speaker 3: knockers or knockers. So I can't I can't bring myself
Speaker 3: to believe that that's a complete coincidence. There just happened
Speaker 3: to be somebody called Tommy Knocker right the way over
Speaker 3: here in Bedfordshire. I mean, we're a good we're a
Speaker 3: good sort of three hundred miles from Cornwall, you know,
Speaker 3: And that's not a term that's local to Bedfordshire, Tommy Knocker.
Speaker 3: We don't have mines here in Bedfordshire. So I just
Speaker 3: think that might be a much older legend that's kind
Speaker 3: of morphed over the centuries of perhaps a being that
Speaker 3: you know, was believed to be there or whatever, and
Speaker 3: perhaps that was more of a pond centuries ago, you know,
Speaker 3: and perhaps it had some sort of sprite or something
Speaker 3: supposedly attached to it, and maybe that's why the whole
Speaker 3: area still has, you know, some kind of equine entity
Speaker 3: bothering it. Who knows? You can speculate for hours about it,
Speaker 3: couldn't you?
Speaker 5: Oh? Absolutely? Have you ever looked at the proximity default
Speaker 5: lines the areas that have a lot of ghost activity?
Speaker 3: No, I genuinely haven't. I had somebody contact me once
Speaker 3: who was very interested in wanting to do that, and
Speaker 3: I said I was absolutely happy to share data with
Speaker 3: him for him to go and do some mapping, but
Speaker 3: unfortunately never got back to me, which is a real
Speaker 3: shame because I think it would be really interesting. I've
Speaker 3: had some people say, what about fault lines. I've had
Speaker 3: some people say what about lay lines, which we've got
Speaker 3: a lot in the UK allegedly if you accept the
Speaker 3: lay line theory. And I've had a lot of people
Speaker 3: talk about just general energy lines. You know, is there
Speaker 3: such a thing?
Speaker 5: Yeah? Yeah, I mean at least with the fault lines
Speaker 5: we know without doubt they exist.
Speaker 3: Yes, there is an absolutely scientific explanation for what a
Speaker 3: fault line is. Isn't that?
Speaker 5: And I mean Paul Devereux went across the UK and
Speaker 5: showed that the majority of your first settings happened very
Speaker 5: very close proximity to fault lines. Yes, and that always
Speaker 5: fascinated me because you know that that definitely takes it
Speaker 5: out of the extraterrestrial thing right there. You know, like
Speaker 5: that makes no sense if you're looking at spacecraft.
Speaker 3: No, but if you're looking at earthlights or something like that, yeah,
Speaker 3: causing the phenomena, then yeah, you've got something of interest,
Speaker 3: and I have got I don't. I don't write about
Speaker 3: UFOs purely because you have to draw the line somewhere
Speaker 3: when you're writing a book, because otherwise the books get
Speaker 3: I mean, as it is, I struggle to get the
Speaker 3: books to a small enough size to make them sell enough,
Speaker 3: you know, make them syllable. This current one i'm writing,
Speaker 3: I'm relevant. I'm already up to five hundred and ten
Speaker 3: pages and I'm still in the you know, research stage.
Speaker 3: So you can imagine that's going to have to have
Speaker 3: a massive edit down cup before I can publish it,
Speaker 3: because if I published it at five hundred and ten pages,
Speaker 3: nobody to be able to want to buy it. So
Speaker 3: and that's just sticking with you know, kind of hauntings
Speaker 3: and a little bit wider. I touch a little bit
Speaker 3: on cryptids and just because they kind of fit in
Speaker 3: with hauntings sometimes. But I also get a little bit
Speaker 3: of light anomalies because again they fit in around poltergeist
Speaker 3: and haunting sometimes. And if I'm researching an area that
Speaker 3: I don't know supposed to have a woman in white
Speaker 3: ghost or something, but somebody comes to me and said,
Speaker 3: I had a really weird experience along that road with
Speaker 3: an orb of light that followed me, then I'm going
Speaker 3: to include that because you know, I'm not going to
Speaker 3: dismiss it just because well, that could be a UFO story.
Speaker 3: Well it could be, but it could also be an
Speaker 3: earthlight story. It could be a spirit orb story. It
Speaker 3: could be a Will of the Wisps type entity story.
Speaker 3: You know that there's lots of ks when they you
Speaker 3: could find for that. But the fact is it happened
Speaker 3: in the geographical area I'm interested in, so I do
Speaker 3: get light anomalies.
Speaker 5: The thing about light anomalies I've said forever is that
Speaker 5: if someone sees a light in the house, it's a ghost.
Speaker 5: They see it in the sky, well now it's a UFO.
Speaker 5: They see it in the woods, it's like the fay
Speaker 5: or whatever. But in the end, it's all light like. Yes,
Speaker 5: you look around all these different varied phenomena and the
Speaker 5: most common thing you see is both light and poltergeist activity.
Speaker 3: Yes, I absolutely agree. And most of the light phenomena
Speaker 3: that I have that people have taught me about, you know,
Speaker 3: firsthand accounts are balls of light. Yeah, the majority are
Speaker 3: balls of light of varying sizes, and most of them
Speaker 3: are say, between ground height and the top of a
Speaker 3: tree like.
Speaker 5: That.
Speaker 3: There's very few that going higher than that. The accounts
Speaker 3: I have, I didn't say there aren't plenty that do
Speaker 3: want that, but just in the accounts I've been given,
Speaker 3: and they range from sort of marble sized to basketball sized.
Speaker 3: And I've even got one account where two men witnessed it,
Speaker 3: and about ten of these balls of light came out
Speaker 3: of the hedge, and they ranged in size between those
Speaker 3: two extremes, and they floated all around them and sort
Speaker 3: of followed them and hung around them for a good
Speaker 3: three or four minutes. I think it was before just
Speaker 3: sort of floating off from dissipating. And he has no
Speaker 3: explanation for it other than he says it was one
Speaker 3: of the most beautiful things he's ever seen. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 3: and I have another chap who sent me photographs of
Speaker 3: the place where it happened. He was just out walking
Speaker 3: his dog one day, broad daylight, and a ball of
Speaker 3: light suddenly bounced across the little clearing in the woods
Speaker 3: he was in ahead of him and sort of bounced
Speaker 3: around all the weeds and in and out and what
Speaker 3: have you, and then bounced off again. And of course
Speaker 3: he was so gobsmacked as it was doing it, he
Speaker 3: didn't think to pull his camera out. He pulled his
Speaker 3: camera out afterwards and took a picture of where it
Speaker 3: happened so they could sort of say, look, this is
Speaker 3: where it was in and out of these weeds sort
Speaker 3: of thing. But but yeah, who knows, who knows how
Speaker 3: it all links together. But the fact that links, I
Speaker 3: think is becoming more apparent with the more data I gather,
Speaker 3: you know, and I definitely get clusters of happenings, and
Speaker 3: I get the statisticians listening out there will be screaming
Speaker 3: their heads off. At this point, I know, I understand
Speaker 3: that there is a data bias there because there is
Speaker 3: very nature of what I'm doing. I'm going to cause
Speaker 3: a data bias because I am going out on social
Speaker 3: media to a specific location. So let's say, for the
Speaker 3: sake of argument, the village of let's say Amesbury in Wiltshire,
Speaker 3: which is one where I know I have about twenty
Speaker 3: different accounts of things happening. I start with one bit
Speaker 3: I ask on social media media, people come back to
Speaker 3: me with their answers. That's going to cause a data
Speaker 3: bias because it's only people in Amesbury that are answering me.
Speaker 3: It's not the next village over necessarily unless they happen
Speaker 3: to be on that social media page. I am necessarily
Speaker 3: narrowing my data, Paul on I of who I can
Speaker 3: go out to, and then it gets narrow even further
Speaker 3: because the very nature of social media these days, I
Speaker 3: can put a post out today and in any form
Speaker 3: of real analysis, that is likely to only stay as
Speaker 3: a live, interactive post for a maximum of five to
Speaker 3: seven days if I'm lucky and people engage with it.
Speaker 3: If I'm really lucky, it will pop up a year
Speaker 3: or two later when somebody searches something, and then it'll
Speaker 3: get another little flurry of activity when somebody likes it
Speaker 3: or comments on it. But in real terms, it pops
Speaker 3: up on people's feeds social media feeds whilst people are commenting,
Speaker 3: and then it fades into the background as something else
Speaker 3: floats along, you know. And that's the nature of the
Speaker 3: Internet and social media.
Speaker 5: Isn't it That.
Speaker 3: Narrows my feeling? And even further doesn't it, you know,
Speaker 3: as to who actually sees my post, you know, and
Speaker 3: therefore what data I get. But I argue back to that, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I get that that is statistically not valid and so on.
Speaker 3: But by the same token, given that narrowing that necessarily
Speaker 3: happens because trying to speak to the public, imagine how
Speaker 3: many more I would find if there was some blanket way,
Speaker 3: which of course there isn't, but if there was, or saying, right,
Speaker 3: this piece of road from point A to point B,
Speaker 3: I want everybody who's ever driven along it to answer
Speaker 3: me whether or not they've had anything odd happen there,
Speaker 3: Imagine how many more I would be finding because the
Speaker 3: high percentage I'm finding with the little narrow slide of
Speaker 3: humanity I'm managing to get hold of.
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Speaker 5: What do you think the percentage would be between people
Speaker 5: who have never had anything weird on that road and
Speaker 5: versus people who have. I would think it would be
Speaker 5: a pretty low percentage of people who have had experiences,
Speaker 5: but maybe higher than other places.
Speaker 3: Yes, I would suspect so, but counter that with when
Speaker 3: I'm I mean, you can imagine I do a lot
Speaker 3: of I do a lot of in person talks, you know,
Speaker 3: you know where I'm physically in the room with the
Speaker 3: people I'm talking to, right And I do a lot
Speaker 3: of podcasts, radio interviews, that sort of thing. So, and
Speaker 3: then I talked to all the witnesses and so on.
Speaker 3: So I'm talking to a lot of people about the
Speaker 3: paranormal basically, and I can guarantee you that ninety nine.
Speaker 3: People will say to me, Oh, I've never seen anything,
Speaker 3: or I don't believe in This is when I'm not
Speaker 3: talking to people that are specifically interested in the paranormal,
Speaker 3: because that's they're a different category. You know, they're already
Speaker 3: interested in the subject. This is the general public that
Speaker 3: I'm trying to engage with about the paranormal. And people
Speaker 3: will say to me, oh, I don't believe in ghosts.
Speaker 3: That's a load of all, Tosh, that's a load of nonsense.
Speaker 3: I don't believe in the paranormal. I'm not interested in paranormal.
Speaker 3: Mind you, there was this one time when and they'll
Speaker 3: go ahead and they'll tell me this amazing little snippet
Speaker 3: of a story of something that happened to them that
Speaker 3: is clearly something paranormal, right, And you sort of think,
Speaker 3: I don't know how you can still say you don't
Speaker 3: believe in it when it's happened to you. And honestly,
Speaker 3: I get the tiniest little percentage of people that say
Speaker 3: they've had nothing ever in their whole life. Most people
Speaker 3: have had at least something once that I managed to
Speaker 3: talk to. And then when you if you speak to
Speaker 3: people like you and me, that are immersed in the
Speaker 3: paranormal normal and talk to other people who are interested.
Speaker 3: Then of course that you know, increases exponentially. We've all
Speaker 3: had some sort of experience. That's why we're interested in it,
Speaker 3: you know, that's why we talk about it and so on.
Speaker 3: So but yeah, just even in the general public, so
Speaker 3: many of them like, oh, that's absolute rubbish. It's absolutely rubbish. Well, actually,
Speaker 3: at that time, when I was driving along that road
Speaker 3: and such and such happened, So yeah, I think it's
Speaker 3: a lot more prevalent than we give it credit for.
Speaker 3: To be honest, I.
Speaker 5: Also find that people will be like, yeah, I don't
Speaker 5: really have anything parent Well, there was that one thing,
Speaker 5: and then the more they think about it, they're like,
Speaker 5: there was also this other thing. Yes, and then there's
Speaker 5: one day this happened, and the next thing, you know,
Speaker 5: they have a list.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And then you can almost if you're managing to
Speaker 3: speak to them face to the face or by video
Speaker 3: or whatever, you can almost see the penny drop cut.
Speaker 3: It's like, oh, hang on a minute, I've actually experienced
Speaker 3: quite a bit.
Speaker 5: They just each time something happens, they just dismiss it
Speaker 5: because they don't believe in it, Yeah, because because.
Speaker 3: They don't believe in it. But I think the other
Speaker 3: reason is they have no frame of reference to file
Speaker 3: it under because it's not a subject they're interested in.
Speaker 3: It's like if I if you and I were sitting
Speaker 3: here talking now, and you were talking about knitting patterns
Speaker 3: for the sake of argument, we might have a very
Speaker 3: interesting conversation about knitting for this period of time, but
Speaker 3: I would walk away and completely forget about it because
Speaker 3: I'm not interested in knitting, right, you know, So it
Speaker 3: would go in one ear, have a nice chat about
Speaker 3: it out the other. And I think that's what happens
Speaker 3: with people who have zero interest in the paranormal. Something happens,
Speaker 3: it goes in, They've got nowhere to file it, so
Speaker 3: it just goes out again.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, you know, and they.
Speaker 3: Don't think about it. It's it's the ones that, for
Speaker 3: whatever reason, it sparks an interest like it did in me,
Speaker 3: like it obviously did in you. You know that we
Speaker 3: then start holding onto the data and thinking about the
Speaker 3: data and looking to see who else has got data
Speaker 3: about it, you know, information about it, and then we
Speaker 3: get you know, frames of references and things that we
Speaker 3: can start filing information away in in our heads, and
Speaker 3: it starts to you know, have a place in your
Speaker 3: busy mind, doesn't it.
Speaker 5: So what you said you had numerous theories about poultry gist?
Speaker 5: What what what are some of those?
Speaker 3: Well? This gets quite interesting, because well I think it
Speaker 3: gets quite interesting. Nobody else probably say we've shut up,
Speaker 3: you're being really born. But what would you say is
Speaker 3: the definition? You personally would say is the definition of
Speaker 3: a poltergeist? Oh?
Speaker 5: To me, I look at it as poultrygeist energy. So
Speaker 5: I think it's the manifestation of energy, probably coming from
Speaker 5: us and either unconsciously controlled by us or controlled by
Speaker 5: something else outside of us, not necessarily exclusively.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So when you say manifestation of energy, do you
Speaker 3: mean like it can make a sound or move something?
Speaker 5: Right, there's an actual physical, something psychokinetic energy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, cool. That tends to gel with Most people
Speaker 3: I speak to will think of that as we have
Speaker 3: a poltergeist if we're getting things moved, you know, or
Speaker 3: sounds being made.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 3: So, when I started this analysis daya base of mine,
Speaker 3: I I set up a tab for poltergeists, and I
Speaker 3: set up a tab for hauntings, thinking, in my mind,
Speaker 3: these are two different things. A house can be haunted,
Speaker 3: or a house can have a poltergeist, or a building
Speaker 3: or whatever. Yeah, a location, let's say, and I put
Speaker 3: in the poltergeist tab everything where somebody said to me,
Speaker 3: we've got a poltgeist, whatever kind of location that was,
Speaker 3: and I split down what they could be experiencing, which
Speaker 3: we sounds, smells, items moved, miscellaneous other things that didn't
Speaker 3: appear often enough to get a category all of their
Speaker 3: own shadow figures. There's a weird atmosphere of some description.
Speaker 3: Hearing footsteps, doors or windows being opened or shut, or
Speaker 3: cupboards or whatever, you know, things being opened and shut,
Speaker 3: pets reacting to it, some sort of exorcism or cleansing
Speaker 3: has taken place. They think there's some sort of monster
Speaker 3: or portal type thing in the house. They've been physically
Speaker 3: attacked in some way, they have heard voices, they've caught
Speaker 3: something on either camera or video, or there's animal type
Speaker 3: ghosts in there. So that's how I split the data
Speaker 3: that people were telling me about poltergeists. Okay, and of those,
Speaker 3: I have thirty nine accounts across the ten books, So
Speaker 3: thirty nine accounts where people said to me, this is
Speaker 3: a poltigeist hauntings tab I have. If I just scam
Speaker 3: quickly down across the ten books, I have seven hundred
Speaker 3: and four accounts, so as you can see wildly bigger
Speaker 3: number of hauntings. However, I quickly realized that I needed
Speaker 3: to split it into sound, smells, items moved, miscellaneous shadow figures, atmospheres, footsteps,
Speaker 3: doors and windows being open the shut, pets reacting, exorcisms
Speaker 3: or cleansings done, animal ghosts, voices or whispers being heard,
Speaker 3: being touched as opposed to being attacked, some sort of
Speaker 3: photograph videotaken, and or light anomalies. And when you look
Speaker 3: at that, and you scan down my seven hundred and
Speaker 3: however many I just said entries, so many of them.
Speaker 3: I haven't done the maths on it, but I find
Speaker 3: very very few that don't have a large prop of those,
Speaker 3: including all the sounds and things being moved, And you
Speaker 3: suddenly think, oh my, most people will say I've got
Speaker 3: a haunting. From what they actually mean, if we use
Speaker 3: yours mind definition, I've got a poltergeist. They prahctic, just
Speaker 3: don't know the word, they don't think of it in
Speaker 3: those terms. Whatever. But so many, you know, when I
Speaker 3: scan down. I have the odd one which there's just
Speaker 3: shadow figures or whispers heard, or a little bit of
Speaker 3: miscellaneous or the pets reacted or something. Most of them
Speaker 3: have four or five of those categories ticked. And then
Speaker 3: you start to think, oh wow, so poltergeists moving things,
Speaker 3: throwing things, about, opening and closing things, making weird noises
Speaker 3: like footsteps or banging or a sound of voices in
Speaker 3: you know, rooms where there's nobody in there happens way
Speaker 3: more often than you would think. In fact, it happens
Speaker 3: in I venture to say at least half of the cases.
Speaker 3: At least half, you know, I would need to sit down,
Speaker 3: and actually I'm not very good at maths, so I
Speaker 3: honestly it is my weak point. Yeah. So you know,
Speaker 3: when I sit down and sort of try to do
Speaker 3: this stuff, it takes me hours because I have to
Speaker 3: double check it again and again to make sure I've
Speaker 3: got the maths right. I have got a friend of
Speaker 3: mine who's going to start helping me with this, so
Speaker 3: that might speed things up a little bit, but just
Speaker 3: that initial data. But in mind, I only finish this
Speaker 3: in creating this database in February is already showing up
Speaker 3: that that, Oh wow, I think portergeists are way more
Speaker 3: prevalent than we originally assumed they were, more certainly than
Speaker 3: I originally assume they were. The other thing that springs
Speaker 3: straight to mind is oh wow, that's weird. Where I
Speaker 3: started this journey ten years ago, I genuinely thought, genuinely
Speaker 3: that a black shuck was a medieval construct in the UK. So,
Speaker 3: for any of the listeners that don't know, a black
Speaker 3: shuck in the UK is a large, black spectral dog
Speaker 3: about the size of a calf, normally often with red
Speaker 3: glowing eyes, often said to be a harbinger of doom,
Speaker 3: occasionally said to be a protector, but more often a
Speaker 3: harbinger of doom of some sort. Could be likened to
Speaker 3: a hell hound in modern parlance. And you know, they're
Speaker 3: a very old legend that's prevalent in quite a few
Speaker 3: chunks of the UK, mostly in East Anglia. They've spread
Speaker 3: about other bits of east of the UK a bit, however,
Speaker 3: ten years in I now have thirty six accounts across
Speaker 3: the ten books of people in my life seeing a
Speaker 3: black chuck. Okay, so we're clearly not talking a medieval
Speaker 3: construct anymore, are we. It's it's not a you know,
Speaker 3: it's not like hugely seen all the time or anything.
Speaker 3: But these are just the people I've come across, and
Speaker 3: yet I have, you know, thirty six of them, and
Speaker 3: it makes you start to think, oh, right, okay, So
Speaker 3: if a black shuck still exists that we thought was
Speaker 3: just a legend from the Middle Ages, you know, just
Speaker 3: to keep children in an it or else a black
Speaker 3: shuck or get them sort of thing, right, but it's
Speaker 3: actually a thing. People are seeing them. What what does
Speaker 3: that then tell us about the modern alien big cat sightings.
Speaker 3: That's a good question, because you know, we get the
Speaker 3: big We get the flaps, don't we. Yeah, yeah, you know,
Speaker 3: and certainly here in the UK we've had several big
Speaker 3: flaps over the years. There was one where that the
Speaker 3: army was called out, I want to say in the eighties,
Speaker 3: sometimes might have been the nineties because there were several
Speaker 3: sightings and some livestock attacked and they thought they had
Speaker 3: a rogue lion or leopard or something or black panther
Speaker 3: sort of roaming around one of the moorlands in the UK.
Speaker 3: And we have these flaps of you know, there's a
Speaker 3: big cat sighting and people are assuming that it's an
Speaker 3: escaped big cat. Particularly around the point where the dangerous
Speaker 3: wild Animal's license was introduced in the UK, there was
Speaker 3: a whole spad of sightings and people assumed people were
Speaker 3: kind of shoving their pet, lion or whatever out the
Speaker 3: door because they didn't want to try and get a
Speaker 3: license for it, right, you know, so that they were
Speaker 3: sort of shoving them out the door, or you know,
Speaker 3: driving along and turfing about the car or whatever, and
Speaker 3: these things were then left defend for themselves. Bless them.
Speaker 3: But I'm now looking at that, I'm thinking why in
Speaker 3: the UK are the majority of alien big cat sightings
Speaker 3: a black cat, when in nature, not many big cats
Speaker 3: are actually black, are they?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 3: Are we actually looking at way more sightings of black sharks.
Speaker 3: But people are categorizing it in a way that makes
Speaker 3: sense in our modern way of thinking because they don't
Speaker 3: know about black black shucks. They're not into folklore, they're
Speaker 3: not into you know, they haven't read about medieval history
Speaker 3: or whatever. They never heard of a black shark. So
Speaker 3: when they see something big and black, and they know
Speaker 3: people talk about wild cat's being released, they think they're
Speaker 3: seeing a black panther. People always think it's a black panther,
Speaker 3: but they're actually they're so rare in nature, a black
Speaker 3: big cat. If there were big cats roaming around the UK,
Speaker 3: they would be lions or whatever, you know, which are
Speaker 3: golden walad you know, or leopards which are obviously you know, spotty,
Speaker 3: or which are obviously stripey. They wouldn't be black. So
Speaker 3: I'm starting to think, have we actually got, without realizing it,
Speaker 3: way more accounts of whatever this entity is than we
Speaker 3: think we have. And then you start to think, what
Speaker 3: about the sightings of wolf type creatures that we have
Speaker 3: in the UK, which I don't generally touch on much
Speaker 3: because we're straying too far into the cryptid, you know,
Speaker 3: sort of territory. So I've got a couple of them,
Speaker 3: but it's not something I've particularly looked into. But I'm
Speaker 3: aware that we get quite a few supposed wolf sightings.
Speaker 3: Is this all actually the same thing just getting described differently?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Almost, given the crime the person has, you know.
Speaker 5: I think a lot of this stuff is us describing
Speaker 5: similar things differently because we don't have a paradigm for it.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, you know, because I've always said, if you
Speaker 3: get five witnesses in a room and you have a
Speaker 3: person and this is part of what we were, you know,
Speaker 3: taught when we were actually interviewing witnesses for criminal cases
Speaker 3: and what have you. And somebody runs into that room
Speaker 3: and steals a handbag, saying, runs back out again, and
Speaker 3: you immediately separate the five witnesses so they don't get
Speaker 3: a chance to talk about it, and you asked them
Speaker 3: each what did you just see? What was he wearing,
Speaker 3: what did he look like? Blah blah blah. You will
Speaker 3: get an overall similar description. A person ran in, he
Speaker 3: stole the bag, and ran back out again. But then
Speaker 3: you'll get loads of little discrepancies. One will remember he
Speaker 3: had a hat. One will think he doesn't didn't have
Speaker 3: a hat. One will think he was older, one will
Speaker 3: think he was younger. One will think he was wearing
Speaker 3: dark trousers. One will think he was wearing genes. All
Speaker 3: these little discrepancies will because when something happens that people
Speaker 3: aren't expecting, they don't have time two log well what
Speaker 3: they're looking at, yes, so they just get kind of
Speaker 3: a snapshot and it goes into their memory.
Speaker 5: You know, there's also the fact that our perceptions aren't
Speaker 5: very good.
Speaker 3: No, and neither are our memories exactly.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Now you imagine that same room with the five witnesses.
Speaker 3: This time you get something paranormal to happen in front
Speaker 3: of them.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Now you've got five people whose perceptions aren't great, memories
Speaker 3: aren't great, all the same biases, you know, they've got
Speaker 3: different backgrounds and what have you. Are all there, But
Speaker 3: now they have no frame of reference for what they
Speaker 3: just saw.
Speaker 5: Yep.
Speaker 3: So then their minds are going to latch onto whatever
Speaker 3: frame of reference they happen to have from either their
Speaker 3: upbringing or their cultural references or what they've seen on
Speaker 3: TV or read in books, whatever, whatever. So one might say,
Speaker 3: oh I saw an angel. One might say I saw
Speaker 3: an alien. One might say I saw a fae come
Speaker 3: into the room. One might say I saw a weird
Speaker 3: flash of light. One might say I saw a ghost.
Speaker 3: When an actual fact, they all saw the same thing,
Speaker 3: but they just don't know how to describe it, so
Speaker 3: they use a frame of reference that makes sense to
Speaker 3: their memory cells.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's happening more generally.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and that all happens in a split.
Speaker 3: Second, Yes, an absolute split second.
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Speaker 5: All right. Back to the show. I'm here with Ruth
Speaker 5: Roper Wilde and we're talking about well, ghosts and the paranormal,
Speaker 5: and I was just going to say something, uh man,
Speaker 5: I've already forgotten what it was before the break, I
Speaker 5: was gonna, Oh, I know what it was. I've also
Speaker 5: pointed out that you get a lot of weird monster encounters,
Speaker 5: like cryptids, things that are like one offs. And I
Speaker 5: always wonder if you're if people are coming across almost
Speaker 5: like a wandering bit of consciousness right, something that they've
Speaker 5: never encountered before, it's totally novel. Their brain instantly goes,
Speaker 5: I don't know what this is. Well, things I don't
Speaker 5: know are scary. What else is scary? Well, monsters are scary.
Speaker 5: Oh my god, it's a monster.
Speaker 3: I would place, quite happily place a bet that that's true,
Speaker 3: you know. And I think when we have children, particularly
Speaker 3: very little children, who say there's a monster in the
Speaker 3: room or under the bed, or you know, the typical
Speaker 3: little child with a monstering I often wonder should we
Speaker 3: not be dismissing that quite as easily as we do
Speaker 3: these days, and should we actually be having a look
Speaker 3: under that bed and just make sure for you know,
Speaker 3: there's nothing we hare donder there, because you know, I
Speaker 3: have some very very odd accounts of things people saw,
Speaker 3: and just I'm going to give you this account, Ruth.
Speaker 3: I don't know what you're going to do with it,
Speaker 3: but it's what happens. So here you are, I'm handing
Speaker 3: it over to you. It's almost like an unburdening of
Speaker 3: their memory cell, you know, sid to get it out
Speaker 3: of my head because I don't know what to do
Speaker 3: with it, right, you know, I can think of somebody
Speaker 3: who can't for the life and remember what sort of
Speaker 3: building it was. But it was an old building. Might
Speaker 3: have been a church, but it was quite an old
Speaker 3: building anyway, and it was late in the evening from
Speaker 3: what I remember. I can't remember why they were walking past,
Speaker 3: but something caught their eye and they glanced across and
Speaker 3: saw what they thought was a cat, just ordinary household
Speaker 3: cat sitting on the window sill of this building, or
Speaker 3: a bit of a ledge or something, and they were
Speaker 3: just about to sort of glance away again, you know,
Speaker 3: not give it a second thought, when it kind of
Speaker 3: half scrambled off the ledge and half went down the
Speaker 3: wall and half unfolded some wings and sort of kind
Speaker 3: of half flu and half slid out of sight somehow
Speaker 3: as a sort of dark somehow winged almost gargoyley, who
Speaker 3: knows what sort of shape and then they, yeah, they
Speaker 3: were sort of left with that awful Did I see that?
Speaker 3: Did I just actually see that? Was that my imagination?
Speaker 3: And am I overtired?
Speaker 8: You know?
Speaker 3: And what do you do with that? Is you is
Speaker 3: your brain trying to give a shape to something that
Speaker 3: has no shape? Or did it actually have that shape?
Speaker 3: And we're talking about the same thing when we talk
Speaker 3: about monsters. Yeah, who knows, who knows? Even one thing
Speaker 3: I would write to say is I don't get very
Speaker 3: many portals, which I'm very glad to say, because you know,
Speaker 3: I think that is very much just a modern Hollywood type.
Speaker 5: What do you mean by portals?
Speaker 3: People? A lot of the ghost shows at the moment
Speaker 3: they talk about portals to allow demons through whatever, to
Speaker 3: allow ghosts through or what have you. I get very
Speaker 3: few people saying to me, I think I've got a
Speaker 3: portal in my house. I do get it occasionally, and
Speaker 3: I do say to them, what do you mean by
Speaker 3: a portal? And you know, generally then when you actually
Speaker 3: pin them down, explain a portal to me. What your meaning? Well,
Speaker 3: I just meant that, you know, a lot of ghosts
Speaker 3: seem to come through here, right, Okay, so you haven't
Speaker 3: actually got a vortex or a whole aura, you know whatever,
Speaker 3: a tunnel to another dimension or whatever. I think it's
Speaker 3: just one of those words that slipped into modern parlance
Speaker 3: and is now over used dramatically. Yes, I'm very very
Speaker 3: anti portals, so very anti orbs that are only seen
Speaker 3: on the camera, particularly if it was a digital camera.
Speaker 3: And yeah, I frequently post pictures on my social were
Speaker 3: not frequently, but every now and again, just to make
Speaker 3: a point of I like to take pictures of my dog,
Speaker 3: as we all do, and I will deliberately aim the
Speaker 3: camera straight at the sun to take a picture of him,
Speaker 3: to get an ORB next to him, and then you know,
Speaker 3: I'll post it on my social regent saying that is
Speaker 3: not an orb, people, this is a camera artifact. This
Speaker 3: is what happens when there's a light source.
Speaker 5: Right right. And I've had that before and had to
Speaker 5: assure people that in the picture, Nope, that was a
Speaker 5: reflection of a light.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think my funniest one of that was whenever
Speaker 3: I go anywhere in the UK, you know, on holiday,
Speaker 3: or to visit something, or you know, whatever, whatever reason
Speaker 3: I've got for traveling anywhere, I always look up whether
Speaker 3: there's any haunted roads near it that I've written about,
Speaker 3: so as I can drive down that road and take
Speaker 3: a picture and put it on my social media. Yeah,
Speaker 3: partly out of interest sate, but partly you know, we've
Speaker 3: got to do a bit of advertising, haven't you. You've
Speaker 3: got to do a bit of marketing, right, And I
Speaker 3: happened to be in the Isle of Wight one year
Speaker 3: on holiday and there was this particular little country lane
Speaker 3: where the road went on a sharp bend round a
Speaker 3: little church, and this bend was meant to be haunted.
Speaker 3: So apartd the car up right sunny day, took a
Speaker 3: picture of this cute little country lane with the church
Speaker 3: in the background, and I posted it on my social
Speaker 3: media saying something like this is the haunted lane at
Speaker 3: whatever church in whatever road it was in the Isle
Speaker 3: of Wight, and then carried on driving, you know, me
Speaker 3: and my husband on holiday, but I could hear my
Speaker 3: phone in my handbag and ping, and when we got
Speaker 3: a chance to stop next well, it had absolutely gone
Speaker 3: mad on which was Twitter at the time, with people
Speaker 3: answering me said, oh my god, I can see the ghost.
Speaker 3: I strayed with it. Really have I accidentally managed to
Speaker 3: catch a picture of a ghost. So I'm scrutinizing the
Speaker 3: picture that I've taken. I can't see anything. So I
Speaker 3: started answering all these people and saying, can you show
Speaker 3: me where you can see the ghost. By the end
Speaker 3: of the day, I kid you not sayah. People had
Speaker 3: sent me back the photo dozens of times with a
Speaker 3: little red circle drawn where they see the ghost, and
Speaker 3: the entire picture was covered in little red circles if
Speaker 3: you've merged them all together, and it was all just paradelia.
Speaker 3: And what had actually happened when I looked at my
Speaker 3: post again, was I had, in the hurry of being
Speaker 3: part at the side of the road, taken a picture,
Speaker 3: had badly used apostrophe in the sentence, and you could
Speaker 3: read it not this is a haunted lane, but this
Speaker 3: is a picture of the haunting in the lane. You
Speaker 3: could misread the word written it, and I think a
Speaker 3: lot of people had misread it and thought I was saying,
Speaker 3: he has a picture of the ghost. So then they
Speaker 3: started looking for.
Speaker 5: The ghost right right right, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: So then paradelia kicked in and it was all because
Speaker 3: I had badly worded a sentence. And it just shows you,
Speaker 3: doesn't it. How witness testimony, although really useful in our field,
Speaker 3: you do at the same time have to be quite
Speaker 3: careful with it.
Speaker 5: Sure sure.
Speaker 3: To lead, isn't it? Without even meaning to?
Speaker 5: There was I'm sure people are tired of this story,
Speaker 5: but it just blew my mind many many years, like
Speaker 5: over a decade ago. It was this local ghost hunting
Speaker 5: group that was part of their I wasn't part of
Speaker 5: their group. I was in there like like using that
Speaker 5: group or Yahoo group or whoever it was. And the
Speaker 5: main guy there would take people out to different locations
Speaker 5: and they'd constantly get orbs. And the one that really
Speaker 5: got me was they were walking through a cemetery in
Speaker 5: the middle of the night and they took a picture
Speaker 5: of this grave and there was nothing there.
Speaker 9: And then they.
Speaker 5: Walked past the grave and now it's also summer, it
Speaker 5: has high grass all over it. Yeah, and they go, oh,
Speaker 5: I don't know, I feel something, turn around and take
Speaker 5: a picture. And they turn around and took a picture
Speaker 5: and oh my god, it's full of orbs. And I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 5: I'd be shocked if it Wasn't you just stirred up
Speaker 5: all that pollen and insects and peah dust and everything else.
Speaker 3: And probably a little bit new if it's at night.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So it's like, really you think this is proof
Speaker 5: of Like, okay, well whatever, you know. But I've had
Speaker 5: a few that I always put in the maybe column
Speaker 5: because they were so weird. Yes, there was one time
Speaker 5: we were following we had done a bunch of photos
Speaker 5: at this cemetery that we've had weird stuff happened at
Speaker 5: plenty of it, and we were following this cold spot.
Speaker 5: It was in the middle of summer and there was
Speaker 5: this very noticeable cold spot and we were following it
Speaker 5: around and my friend at one point says, she holds
Speaker 5: out her hand. She goes, it's right above my hand.
Speaker 5: Take a picture. So I take a picture, and right
Speaker 5: above her hand is an orb and it looks like
Speaker 5: it looks like dust. But it's not in any other
Speaker 5: picture we took. And I'm like, okay, the fact that
Speaker 5: it's not in any of the other pictures and it's
Speaker 5: exactly where you said it was gives it at least
Speaker 5: a point, you know, like this.
Speaker 3: Is this at least gives it the question mink.
Speaker 5: Yeah. The other one same cemetery actually, but during the
Speaker 5: day I had gone there with my regular co host Saxon,
Speaker 5: and I had taken a bunch of pictures with my DSLR,
Speaker 5: and I just randomly took a picture of this grouping
Speaker 5: of trees and when I looked at it later, in
Speaker 5: front of every single tree is an ORB and it's
Speaker 5: not in any of the other pictures, and I'm like,
Speaker 5: what the hell. Yeah, we also had rocks thrown us
Speaker 5: from on top of a waterfall just a little time
Speaker 5: before this.
Speaker 3: That is weird. So it's like that was yet.
Speaker 5: And the other one I had, which is just it
Speaker 5: falls in that high strangeress category. I have a pretty
Speaker 5: decent sized house and so the studios in the front,
Speaker 5: where I normally do spend most of my time is
Speaker 5: in the very and I'm in the back working on
Speaker 5: some video editing, and I had this time lapse footage
Speaker 5: and when I opened it up, it wasn't time lapse footage,
Speaker 5: it was just regular like it was running at normal
Speaker 5: speed with audio. I'm like, what the hell. And I'm
Speaker 5: looking at this, going no, this is the time lapse.
Speaker 5: What's going on? And then the fire alarm goes off
Speaker 5: in the front of the house. So I'm like, oh crap,
Speaker 5: And I stopped the video and I run up to
Speaker 5: the front of the house. The fire alarm's not going
Speaker 5: off anymore. I'm like, Okay, that was weird. Well, I
Speaker 5: have cameras in all the rooms, so I'm like, let
Speaker 5: me pull it back and see if I can figure
Speaker 5: out what set the fire alarm off, you know, because
Speaker 5: now I'm a little concerned. Yeah, And the camera from
Speaker 5: the room next to the camera from the studio, which
Speaker 5: is right next to the room the fire alarm went off. In.
Speaker 5: Just before the fire alarm goes off, there is this
Speaker 5: swarm of little orbs that just appear in front of
Speaker 5: the camera and swirl, and then the fire alarm goes off.
Speaker 5: I've never seen that before. I was unable to recreate it,
Speaker 5: like I went around to hit all the couches and
Speaker 5: the chairs and stirred up all the dust, and nothing
Speaker 5: like that happened.
Speaker 3: And that's when it gets really interesting, isn't it.
Speaker 5: Yes, those are the rare occasions. Those are the rare
Speaker 5: occasions where I go okay, oh also, And then when
Speaker 5: I went back into the other room the same file.
Speaker 5: I clicked on it and it was the time lapse,
Speaker 5: and I went, the hell is going on right now?
Speaker 3: That is really odd?
Speaker 5: Like I said, one of the more high strangeness things.
Speaker 5: The other thing I noticed, so the studio I'm in
Speaker 5: that I'm recording in. Both of my parents died in
Speaker 5: this room many years apart. My dad died in two
Speaker 5: thousand and six, my mom didn't die till twenty eighteen,
Speaker 5: but literally a few feet away from each other in
Speaker 5: the room. And when I went around and hit all
Speaker 5: the couches and stuff to see if I can re created,
Speaker 5: and I stepped back, I realized I was standing right
Speaker 5: between where the two of them died, and on either
Speaker 5: side of me, a very bright white orb came from
Speaker 5: the floor up. And I looked at that when that's
Speaker 5: literally where they died.
Speaker 3: And you could see the orb with your own eyes.
Speaker 5: Or on camera, not only on the camera.
Speaker 3: On the camera, huh.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I didn't see anything. I didn't see dust or
Speaker 5: anything when I hit everything with my own eyes.
Speaker 3: But just these two that is odd, isn't it?
Speaker 5: Yeah? I mean there was dust from the from the
Speaker 5: couches too, but the first thing you see are those
Speaker 5: two bright orbs right next to me.
Speaker 3: And it's interesting because I took some friends of ours.
Speaker 3: There's there's three couples been friends for a lot of years,
Speaker 3: and the last couple of years we've started trying to
Speaker 3: go and do something a bit more interesting than just
Speaker 3: grabut to dinner, you know. And so last summer we'd
Speaker 3: gone to an air show that did a you know,
Speaker 3: late night flying a vintage era planes to music and
Speaker 3: there were fireworks and you know all that. We had
Speaker 3: a great time. At the end of the night was
Speaker 3: sort of what do we do next? You know, what's
Speaker 3: the next thing? And the two couples said to me
Speaker 3: and my husband, well, why don't we do something with
Speaker 3: your paranormal stuff? Is you know right, let's go to
Speaker 3: a haunted hotel or something that you'd be interested. So
Speaker 3: I was like, yeah, okay, thinking yeah, I'm not sure
Speaker 3: you're going to enjoy that much because you and I
Speaker 3: both know that most of going to watch for the
Speaker 3: paranormal is sitting watching paint dry, Right, nothing happened? I thought, well, yeah, okay,
Speaker 3: you know, so I sort of chose a couple of
Speaker 3: possible hotels and got them to sort of decide what
Speaker 3: budget they wanted to spend for night away. And anyway,
Speaker 3: long story short, we chose this hotel which I won't
Speaker 3: name on air, but it's essentially in a tiny little
Speaker 3: English village and the hotel itself is at least six
Speaker 3: hundred years old and has been a hotel for the
Speaker 3: whole of that time. And we had three bedrooms for
Speaker 3: the three couples that were all next to each other
Speaker 3: along and Elizabethan landing in the oldest part of the hotel,
Speaker 3: and one of the bedrooms they were sleeping in a
Speaker 3: four poster bed where the bed itself was four hundred
Speaker 3: years old.
Speaker 5: Wow.
Speaker 3: So we had a really nice meal and we had
Speaker 3: quite a bit to drink, and then we went out
Speaker 3: to the rooms and I sort of played around with
Speaker 3: some EVP work and semesties method work and had just
Speaker 3: bought myself a in from Red Cameras. We had a
Speaker 3: little go with that, just you know, sos they could
Speaker 3: get a taste for what goes on it. And frankly,
Speaker 3: nothing much happened. A few little bits, but nothing very much.
Speaker 3: But we were having a nice evening, friends having a
Speaker 3: time out. Ye gets to bedtime, we all separate to
Speaker 3: our various bedrooms. One of the couples that's in the
Speaker 3: bedroom with the four poster bed, she goes off to
Speaker 3: the bathroom. He's laying on the bed and he'd been
Speaker 3: really hoping to have something happen, so he decided to
Speaker 3: take some photographs around the room just in case the
Speaker 3: picture picks anything up. So you can imagine he's laying
Speaker 3: on this four poster bed and he's kind of doing
Speaker 3: a click move the camera a bit, click move the
Speaker 3: camera bit to get like a panorama of the room,
Speaker 3: you know. So he's looking through the camera screen when
Speaker 3: he sees a born of light shoot across the room
Speaker 3: through the camera scheme screen he's looking through. So he
Speaker 3: tries to follow it with the camera to get a
Speaker 3: picture of it, and manages to snap a picture of
Speaker 3: it and then take several more pictures because he's remembered
Speaker 3: what I said about it's really important that people try
Speaker 3: and you know, capture it and try and replicate it.
Speaker 3: So the next morning at breakfast, he's come excitedly down
Speaker 3: to take me. He said, allway through, so I think
Speaker 3: I've got an ORB and I've kind of rolled my
Speaker 3: eyes internally, you know, thinking I don't want to disappoint
Speaker 3: my friend, but the chances of this being actual or
Speaker 3: but like zero to not much above zero, you know,
Speaker 3: but I'll try and let him down lightly. So he
Speaker 3: shows me the pictures immediately leading up to it. Absolutely
Speaker 3: nothing in them, no orbs, no dust, no light bounces,
Speaker 3: no lens flares, nothing, just pictures of the room. Then
Speaker 3: we get to the picture where he managed to catch
Speaker 3: this all up and take a picture as he's swinging
Speaker 3: the camera across, and I go to say, no, no,
Speaker 3: it's just and then I looked again, and I thought,
Speaker 3: hang on a minute, and I sort of enlarged the
Speaker 3: picture and looked at it really carefully, and this little
Speaker 3: light and normally that is caught on camera at that moment,
Speaker 3: happened to be passing across the radiator in the room,
Speaker 3: the modern radiator, and you can see where it's stippling
Speaker 3: in and out on the shape of the radiator that
Speaker 3: stibles in and out. So it was an actual light
Speaker 3: hitting the radiator that he managed to capture. So I
Speaker 3: kind of went, huh, that's odd, and he said, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: Now look at the next one, right, okay, so I
Speaker 3: flick on another one, the second one after that. Standing
Speaker 3: between him on this bed and the radiator that's maybe
Speaker 3: I don't know, say ten twelve feet away, is a
Speaker 3: large white figure. Oh, only vaguely a figure, so it
Speaker 3: has a vaguely head and shoulder shape, and then it's
Speaker 3: just straight down from there. I went, huh, that doesn't
Speaker 3: look like a lens flare. They went, no, no, now,
Speaker 3: look at the next one. So I flick on to
Speaker 3: the next one. Not a thing in it, it's all gone.
Speaker 3: So the photos immediately eating up to nothing of any interest.
Speaker 3: These two photos something weird, several photos taken after nothing
Speaker 3: of any interest. I thought, well, that shut me up
Speaker 3: about poop pooing orbs every time, because just every now
Speaker 3: and again, you know, you do capture one that's weird.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, So it's not that they don't exist people out there,
Speaker 3: but just be a bit more discerning about which ones
Speaker 3: are and which ones aren't.
Speaker 8: Well.
Speaker 5: I think also people don't understand, especially if they're using infrared,
Speaker 5: how much stuff can look weird when it's not. Yes,
Speaker 5: I had one in one of my barns, just to
Speaker 5: see what animals were getting in there, and at some
Speaker 5: point it was almost certainly a spider, but it was
Speaker 5: just in the infrared beam in a way where it
Speaker 5: just looked like a blob floating in the air. You
Speaker 5: and it's like it's moving. I'm like, it's a spider.
Speaker 5: It's moving like a spider, even though it looks like
Speaker 5: a glowing blob. And I put it up on Facebook
Speaker 5: just because it was kind of fun, you know, it
Speaker 5: was an interesting video. But I'm like, I'm pretty sure
Speaker 5: this is a spider. I'm like, but it looks pretty neat.
Speaker 5: And people are like, no, way, that's not a spider.
Speaker 5: That's something weird, and I'm like, no, I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 5: It's moving like it's on a web. It's a spider.
Speaker 5: You know, it's getting hit with the infrared. It's not focused.
Speaker 5: I had that happen with a spider web on one
Speaker 5: of my outdoor cams where I'm looking at it and
Speaker 5: I'm seeing what looks like two eyes and they're just
Speaker 5: kind of floating and I'm going, all right, what is that?
Speaker 5: And you know, and it's like coming and going and
Speaker 5: getting higher and lower, and I'm like, i have no
Speaker 5: idea what I'm looking at. And finally I went outside
Speaker 5: behind the barn and as I get out there, I
Speaker 5: realized that's a spider web. Those are just the thick
Speaker 5: portions of it.
Speaker 3: Yeahs where the webs join. Yeah yeah, yeah, I get it. Yeah.
Speaker 3: It enough to catch ye bounce the light back sort
Speaker 3: of thing on those bits. It was.
Speaker 5: It was consistent enough where I'm like, this is something normal.
Speaker 5: I just don't know what it is, can't.
Speaker 3: Figure it out.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but again it looked weird. It looked like two
Speaker 5: floating orbs or eyes just in front of the camera.
Speaker 3: Oh, Jenna, Honestly, I could write I could write another
Speaker 3: book on just times I've made a fool of myself
Speaker 3: whilst hunting there. I think my best ever was walking
Speaker 3: down a dark country lane, very spooky, very old lane
Speaker 3: in the UK, and it was not fully nighttime, so
Speaker 3: it was that awful late dusk where your eyes can't
Speaker 3: adjust to that lower light. They do better in fall dark.
Speaker 3: I can then kind of go to fall dark mode,
Speaker 3: so everything looks like a shadow and everything's You're squinting
Speaker 3: at everything, and ahead of me a shape cross the
Speaker 3: road and I think to myself, all, there's a really
Speaker 3: big dog in the road. Ahead of me. Oh my god,
Speaker 3: I wonder if that's a black shark. Well, it might
Speaker 3: just be a straight dog. Not that we get that
Speaker 3: many straight dogs in England, but we do get them occasionally.
Speaker 3: So I'm stood on this lane going here, boy here, boy,
Speaker 3: like this, and at that point my eyes kind of
Speaker 3: adjust a bit more, and this very pissed off looking
Speaker 3: deer it turns and looks at me as if to say,
Speaker 3: how stupid are you? Human? Look like talk and trots off,
Speaker 3: leaving me feel about an inch tall just being dissed
Speaker 3: by ada.
Speaker 5: Well, you know, I mean, at least it was something harmless.
Speaker 3: Well true small mercies.
Speaker 5: I think we probably have time for one more story here,
Speaker 5: if you have a what's one of your favorite stories
Speaker 5: in your books?
Speaker 3: Do? I think one of my favorites is a really
Speaker 3: simple little story, like properly simple little haunting. Because I
Speaker 3: have a strict rule I never ever embellish what somebody
Speaker 3: tells me, so, however small, what they tell me is
Speaker 3: that's what goes in the book. And this particular account
Speaker 3: came from a village again not that far away from me.
Speaker 3: Actually I do cover the whole UK people, honestly, But
Speaker 3: it was a lady I met one of the talks
Speaker 3: I was giving, and she gave me this account from
Speaker 3: her childhood, and she had grown up in this village
Speaker 3: and from where they lived in their house, they were
Speaker 3: allowed her and our sister as sort of, you know,
Speaker 3: ten eleven years old, that kind of age, they were
Speaker 3: allowed to walk down their street along the high street
Speaker 3: a little bit to where the sweet shop was, buy
Speaker 3: some sweets and walk home again. And they had gone
Speaker 3: to do this one afternoon obviously, broad daylights, there are
Speaker 3: only little kids out, and they'd gone to the shop
Speaker 3: and they were walking back home, and just along the
Speaker 3: little bit of the high street that they walked along,
Speaker 3: in this tiny little village at that time, there was
Speaker 3: a row of derelict cottages that were right on the
Speaker 3: high street. Their front doors opened onto the high street,
Speaker 3: and they were definitely derelict because they had the roofs
Speaker 3: were all fallen in, you know, there was nobody living
Speaker 3: in them. So as they're walking along, chattering the two girls,
Speaker 3: you can imagine, and excited about the sweets they just bought,
Speaker 3: they walked past one of the windows as this one
Speaker 3: of these little derelict terrace cottages, and they're sitting in
Speaker 3: the window is an old lady, but instead of being
Speaker 3: an ordinary colors you know, colored hair, colored face, whatever,
Speaker 3: the whole figure is pale, creamy white, no other colors
Speaker 3: on it. But they could they could clearly see that
Speaker 3: she had, you know, nicely done hair, a kind looking face,
Speaker 3: some kind of topping with like a lace type collar
Speaker 3: of some description. And as they get level with the window,
Speaker 3: which is literally right next to them because the cossues
Speaker 3: open onto the street, the lady turns to them and
Speaker 3: smiles at them as they walk past, terrified the crap
Speaker 3: out of them because they realize it cannot possibly be
Speaker 3: an actual person because these buildings are completely derelict, there's
Speaker 3: no roof on them, nobody could possibly be sitting in there.
Speaker 3: So they race home and sort of frantically tell Mum,
Speaker 3: who assures them that no, no, somebody will just have
Speaker 3: been visiting the house. It's fine, but she said, you know,
Speaker 3: we didn't dare walk that way. For several months afterwards,
Speaker 3: we went the long way round to the sweet shop
Speaker 3: before we ever sort of plucked up courage to go
Speaker 3: back again, And when they did finally pluck up courage
Speaker 3: to go back along there again, they sort of double
Speaker 3: checked the one that they the lady had been in
Speaker 3: and it was absolutely definitely a derelict cottage. There is
Speaker 3: no way there was an old lady sitting in there
Speaker 3: in real life. So yeah, it was just one of
Speaker 3: those little moments in time where two little girls just
Speaker 3: walk past and the old lady ghost just turns and
Speaker 3: smiles at them. And although it terrified them even now
Speaker 3: years lady, she said, natural fact, the lady had a
Speaker 3: really kind face and it was a really nice smile.
Speaker 3: She didn't. It wasn't anything spooky horror story type thing.
Speaker 3: It was just an old lady who smiled at them.
Speaker 3: But because they knew that she looked wrong with being
Speaker 3: all faded out with no color right and shouldn't be
Speaker 3: in this derelict building that you know, they kind of
Speaker 3: knew instinctively that they were seeing a ghost. But yeah,
Speaker 3: sweet little story. But it's that kind of thing that
Speaker 3: just it calls my fancy.
Speaker 5: Right. Well, wellcome continue this conversation a Patreon segment. But
Speaker 5: where can people get your books? What are they called?
Speaker 3: So I have there's two main series, as The road
Speaker 3: Map of British Goes volume one and two. Just in
Speaker 3: the middle of doing volume three, and then there's these
Speaker 3: Haunted Time series which go to volume six. At the moment,
Speaker 3: they're all available on Amazon as paperback or ebook or
Speaker 3: to read for free if you have Kindle unlimited, and
Speaker 3: a couple of them are available as audio book narrated
Speaker 3: by the amazing Brennan's store from the Ghost Story.
Speaker 5: Guys, we might know him.
Speaker 3: You might know him so and he's he's working his
Speaker 3: way through my back catalog. So they will eventually all
Speaker 3: be available on audiobook and this sounds amazing. And you
Speaker 3: can find me mostly on Facebook, Twitter, Blue Sky Threads.
Speaker 3: I am on Instagram, but I tend to forget that
Speaker 3: one's there if I'm honest, but yeah, or you can
Speaker 3: just email me, which is just my full name, Ruth
Speaker 3: Roper Wilde, spelled the way I spell it at gmail
Speaker 3: dot com, so nice.
Speaker 5: And easy, wild It's wy so okay, like whiskey yankee,
Speaker 5: lima delta echo.
Speaker 3: So Ruth Roper wild No spaces at gmail dot.
Speaker 5: Com, all right, in no website, not at the moment.
Speaker 3: I'm not going to hold a hand up to that.
Speaker 5: That's fine. Most people just use social media nowadays anyway. Yeah,
Speaker 5: all right, Well, thank you very much for coming along
Speaker 5: and talking to us about this stuff. This was fascinating.
Speaker 3: It's been my absolute pleasure. I've really enjoyed it.
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Speaker 5: band that we actually had in studio years ago. They
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Speaker 5: It's kind of electronic. And this is life as a
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