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<v Speaker 1>It's Nightside with Dan Ray on WBZY, Boston's news radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Amma Friedman, thank you very much. We welcome our listeners

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<v Speaker 2>to our first edition of Nightside twenty twenty five. Before

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<v Speaker 2>we start, let me just thank my friend Morgan White,

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<v Speaker 2>who was sat in for me for the last week

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<v Speaker 2>and a half, which has allowed me to recover from

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<v Speaker 2>whatever the heck I had bronchiitist, upper respiratory infection, whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>And we had planned a show tonight was intended to

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<v Speaker 2>be fairly light, kind of an easing back into twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty five. But I will tell you that it's changed

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit because of what has happened early this

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<v Speaker 2>morning in New Orleans. We will get to all of

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<v Speaker 2>that in just a moment. Remind you my name is

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<v Speaker 2>Dan Ray. I'm the host of Nightside, heard most every

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<v Speaker 2>Monday through Friday night right here in WA Boston's news Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Dan Cantano is behind the boot tonight. In the Boot

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<v Speaker 2>tonight because Robber's on vacation and Dana do a great

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<v Speaker 2>job and the story of the day, as I say,

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<v Speaker 2>will in intended and we may get to some of

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<v Speaker 2>these topics later. Things. You know, there would be a

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<v Speaker 2>little lighter things like New Year's resolutions. What have I

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<v Speaker 2>been dealing with? And have any of you been dealing with?

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<v Speaker 2>This horrific cough and cold, It doesn't seem to go away.

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<v Speaker 2>And also remembering Jimmy Carter, a president who I spent

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of time with, some time with both before

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<v Speaker 2>he was president, while he was president, and after his president.

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<v Speaker 2>But the big story of the day overwhelms all of that,

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<v Speaker 2>and that is this horrific terrorist attack, clearly terrorist attack

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<v Speaker 2>in New Orleans, which has now taken the lives of

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<v Speaker 2>fifteen people, fifteen Americans who were in the French Quarter

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<v Speaker 2>last night welcoming the new year. All of us were

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<v Speaker 2>welcoming it on our own way. And who better to

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<v Speaker 2>talk about this briefly? But my next guest, my first guest,

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<v Speaker 2>my only guest tonight, form a Boston Police Commissioner Ed Davis,

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<v Speaker 2>who himself was in charge of the Boston Police Department

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<v Speaker 2>at the time of the marathon bombing back in April

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<v Speaker 2>of twenty thirteen. And so, and first of all, happy

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<v Speaker 2>New Year to you and yours. But what a horrific

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<v Speaker 2>way to start the new year here in America with

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<v Speaker 2>a terrorist attack like this I'd love to just open

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<v Speaker 2>up with your thoughts. I mean, you've seen it up

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<v Speaker 2>close and personally before you told me that you recently,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess had lunch with the sheriff in Harris County, Texas,

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<v Speaker 2>where I guess search warrants and investigations of being conducted

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<v Speaker 2>tonight to find out what the real story was behind

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<v Speaker 2>this fellow who took the lives of fifteen people. Welcome

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<v Speaker 2>back to the Night's side of Davis. Sorry about the

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<v Speaker 2>long introduction.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh no worries. Dan, It's great to talk to you

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<v Speaker 3>as always, and you know, it's great to talk to

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<v Speaker 3>you on the first day of the year, but tragic

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<v Speaker 3>that it's about this topic. So we've been dealing with

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<v Speaker 3>it all day today and it was a heck of

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<v Speaker 3>a way to get woke up this morning.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm sure that you must have, you know, flashbacks

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<v Speaker 2>to what we went through here in Boston in a

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<v Speaker 2>little over ten years ago, little over now, almost twelve

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<v Speaker 2>years ago when you come to Sapril as you watched

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<v Speaker 2>television today and I know that you were on some

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<v Speaker 2>of the network newscasts. How could this happen? It looks

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<v Speaker 2>to me like they were preparing for the Super Bowl,

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<v Speaker 2>and they kind of let their guard down. I guess

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<v Speaker 2>there were certain I'm not familiar with the term bullyards,

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<v Speaker 2>which are those steel pipes sticking up out of the

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<v Speaker 2>ground in front of the State House and elsewhere that

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<v Speaker 2>would become very familiar with. Those were in the process

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<v Speaker 2>of being replaced, so they were not on Bourbon Street,

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<v Speaker 2>which gave this guy every opportunity to swing around the

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<v Speaker 2>police cars which were blocking the intersections and and do

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<v Speaker 2>what he came to do.

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<v Speaker 3>Right. Yeah, we we we actually deal with ballards a

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<v Speaker 3>lot in my line of business because we're constantly doing

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<v Speaker 3>inspections of of businesses and corporations to make sure that

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<v Speaker 3>they're secure. And and these devices really do protect you

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<v Speaker 3>from a threat from a motor vehicle. Sometimes it's accidental,

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<v Speaker 3>somebody just losing control of the car, but we use

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<v Speaker 3>them and recommend them to companies all the time. And

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<v Speaker 3>and it, you know, it seems as though there was

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<v Speaker 3>a decision made to change them out, and and and

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<v Speaker 3>and instead of putting temporary ballats in or some other

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<v Speaker 3>device which you can what you can get your hands

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<v Speaker 3>on fairly easily, they decided to just park a police

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<v Speaker 3>cruiser in the intersection and as we saw, this suspect

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<v Speaker 3>was able to sneak his way around onto the sidewalk

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<v Speaker 3>and passed the car quite frankly before the police officer

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<v Speaker 3>even realized what was going on. From the looks of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I saw that that videotape. And by the way,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, for those who are unaware, you now have

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<v Speaker 2>a have a company which consults with corporations with I'm

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<v Speaker 2>sure states and cities about what you have through your

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<v Speaker 2>experience become an expert in and that is that is security.

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<v Speaker 2>What's the name of the is it uh at Davis.

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<v Speaker 3>Wood Davis Company at the end with Davis Company.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So, so this happens. It's it's inconceivable, but it

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<v Speaker 2>happens more frequently. This guy apparently served in the US Army.

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<v Speaker 2>He had a couple of stants, one with the regular

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<v Speaker 2>Army and went to Afghanistan, was deployed to Afghanistan UH

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<v Speaker 2>and then came back and spent a few years in

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<v Speaker 2>the I guess the Texas Army reserve a Texas national card.

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<v Speaker 2>This is this is eerily familiar with the Fort Hoods

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<v Speaker 2>shooter Nadal Hassan of two thousand and nine, a US

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<v Speaker 2>major who who who slaughtered troops inside Fort Hood does?

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<v Speaker 2>How does this happen that you know from your experience

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<v Speaker 2>that someone who obviously serves in our military for a long,

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<v Speaker 2>extended period of time somehow can get radicalized and go

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<v Speaker 2>off and do something like this to fellow Americans, fellow

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<v Speaker 2>human beings.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, it is a terrible thing to consider and something

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<v Speaker 3>that shouldn't follow. I mean, people take an oath to

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<v Speaker 3>the loyalty to the company, to the country. They are,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, literally risking their lives to protect the country,

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<v Speaker 3>and then something happens and and you know, the the

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<v Speaker 3>concept of home grow own island extremists is something that

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<v Speaker 3>the Justice Department and the FBI have been preaching about

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<v Speaker 3>for many years now. And anybody can be corrupted. I

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<v Speaker 3>spoke to a good friend who's in the intelligence community,

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<v Speaker 3>and he said something I thought resonated, which which is,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, we train these guys and our worst nightmare

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<v Speaker 3>is that they take their training and use it against us.

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<v Speaker 3>And that happened in Oklahoma City, and it just apparently

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<v Speaker 3>has happened again.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, yeah, I forgot Oklahoma City. Obviously. Timothy McVeigh full

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<v Speaker 2>remember of the military, he became some sort of a

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<v Speaker 2>right wing extremist. And Nadal Hassan, by the way, who's

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<v Speaker 2>still on death row for the ford Hood shooting, and

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<v Speaker 2>he was not one of the federal death row inmates

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<v Speaker 2>who were who were pardoned by President Ford rather President

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<v Speaker 2>Biden a week or so. Yeah, what are you hearing about.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm hearing a lot of chatter here about this might

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<v Speaker 2>be a broader conspiracy that this might not be the

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<v Speaker 2>traditional lone wolf. He had the IIS flag I guess,

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<v Speaker 2>covered in with some sort of a jacket on the

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<v Speaker 2>back of a car, but he was still flying the

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<v Speaker 2>IIS flag. But there's some suggestion that they were IEDs

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<v Speaker 2>planted around the city, and I believe that there's they're

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<v Speaker 2>looking at, probably I guess his home where he lived,

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<v Speaker 2>somewhere in Houston, in the Houston area. I know it's

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<v Speaker 2>always tough to speculate here, but is your sense that

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<v Speaker 2>there may be more to this than meets the eye.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, the FBI has said definitively that there are more

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<v Speaker 3>people that they are investigating on this. It's a wider

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<v Speaker 3>conspiracy than just one person. So you have to take

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<v Speaker 3>them at their ward. Although I will say that there's

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of misinformation that occurs in the first twenty

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<v Speaker 3>four hours of these incidents, so I think it's important

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<v Speaker 3>to sort of hold you hold your opinions until we're

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<v Speaker 3>certain that that they were in fact other bombs. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>when we responded to the marathon, and I teach this

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<v Speaker 3>to other police departments around the world, a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>people who ran from the scene of the bombing dropped

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<v Speaker 3>backpacks and bags and other things, and when we first

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<v Speaker 3>got there, our bomb squad was already clearing each one

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<v Speaker 3>of those packages because it's a common terrorist tactic to

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<v Speaker 3>leave follow up devices. We must have had dozens of

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<v Speaker 3>reports of bombs that day and they all turned out

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<v Speaker 3>to be false. So it does take a while to

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<v Speaker 3>sort out the the you know, the the chaos from

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<v Speaker 3>from from what the real facts are. But we are

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<v Speaker 3>hearing that there were two other devices, and if he

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<v Speaker 3>had those planted by someone, then clearly there's a conspiracy

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<v Speaker 3>and that's extremely troubling.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it will take some time to figure it out,

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<v Speaker 2>but and I appreciate you coming on and on short

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<v Speaker 2>notice tonight, but I just felt this was something that

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<v Speaker 2>we that we really did need to talk about. So

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<v Speaker 2>we may be back to you later on during the week,

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<v Speaker 2>and let's hope that they can get to the bottom

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<v Speaker 2>of this and figure out I woke up this morning

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<v Speaker 2>and was they flipped on WBZ and heard everything went

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<v Speaker 2>fine in Boston last night, but I realized very quickly

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<v Speaker 2>that it didn't go fine in New Orleans. Thanks so

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<v Speaker 2>much for joining us tonight, Ed Davis, former Boston Police commissioner. Again,

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<v Speaker 2>the name of your company now that you need the business,

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's Davis and Company.

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<v Speaker 4>Is that the name again, Davis Company?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but thank thank you very much.

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<v Speaker 4>Dan.

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<v Speaker 3>It's always great to talk to you, and I can

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<v Speaker 3>I took your listeners again.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks very much, Ed Davis.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, sure, thanks.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks. Happy New Year. It is not a happy New

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<v Speaker 2>Year in large parts of this country as a result

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<v Speaker 2>of this, and so I have kind of reworked our

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<v Speaker 2>schedule tonight, and I would like to talk about this

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<v Speaker 2>because it is the it's the new story of the day.

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<v Speaker 2>So I have some thoughts, but I'm interested in your

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<v Speaker 2>thoughts as well. Six one seven, two, five, four ten thirty,

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<v Speaker 2>triple eight nine to nine ten thirty or six one seven,

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<v Speaker 2>nine three one ten thirty. What was your reaction tonight

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<v Speaker 2>this morning when you woke up and you realized terrorism.

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<v Speaker 2>It looks as if a brand of a international terrorism

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<v Speaker 2>with a with from a homegrown terrorist has once again

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<v Speaker 2>impacted the lives of many families around this country this evening,

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<v Speaker 2>this New Year's Day, a horribled way to start off

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<v Speaker 2>New Year's We'll get to phone calls and we'll talk

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<v Speaker 2>about this for a while, because I think it's something

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<v Speaker 2>that people need to need to vent about. We'll be

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<v Speaker 2>back on night Side right after this.

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<v Speaker 1>Now back to Dan Way live from the Window World

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<v Speaker 1>Place Studios on WBZ News Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>So I do want to hear from all of you,

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<v Speaker 2>but I just want to very quickly try to hit

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<v Speaker 2>upon some of the implications here that I see. One one,

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<v Speaker 2>the suspect who's now dead, shamsud Din Jabbar, forty two.

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<v Speaker 2>He's a US citizen. I guess he was born in Texas.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know anything about his family's background. But again

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<v Speaker 2>according to the Associated Press, h that I'm that I'm

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<v Speaker 2>relying upon, uh he had he drive drove his pickup

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<v Speaker 2>truck into a crowd of New Year's revelers in on

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<v Speaker 2>Bourbon Street. Was around three point fifteen this morning on Wednesday, morning.

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<v Speaker 2>Year's had been wrung in. I don't know it. Certainly

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<v Speaker 2>he thought about it a lot more than initially was suggested.

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<v Speaker 2>So consequence of all of this, the Sugar Bowl Bowl Game,

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<v Speaker 2>tomorrow night. That involves some you know, pretty important professional

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<v Speaker 2>We're beginning to get a little information on some of

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<v Speaker 2>shows how that terrorism he's not targeting a military installation,

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<v Speaker 2>as Nadal Hassan was back in two thousand and nine.

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<v Speaker 2>Amongst the victims that we know of at this point,

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<v Speaker 2>and of course we will become familiar with all of

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<v Speaker 2>Reggie Hunter from Baton Rouge, Louisiana, and one that caught

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<v Speaker 2>former high school and college football player from Louisiana. He

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<v Speaker 2>He attended high school there and then went on to

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<v Speaker 2>who was a school kick returner and receiver from twenty

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<v Speaker 2>seventeen to twenty nineteen. And he said he might be

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<v Speaker 2>course they are the Tigers, and that nickname described him

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<v Speaker 2>as a competitor. The school's nickname is the Tigers. He

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<v Speaker 2>So probably at three point fifteen in the morning, there

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<v Speaker 2>were very few people, you know, over the age of

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<v Speaker 2>forty still out having a good time. And when we

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<v Speaker 2>see the ultimate names, and hopefully it is no more

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<v Speaker 2>than fifteen, although there were dozens of others injured, and

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<v Speaker 2>they just upped the fatality count from ten to fifteen.

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<v Speaker 2>Hopefully there will be no more than fifteen. But my

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<v Speaker 2>fear is that is probably not true. All right, your

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<v Speaker 2>thoughts are welcome. Six one, seven, two, five, four ten thirty,

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<v Speaker 2>six one seven, nine, three one ten thirty, triple eight

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<v Speaker 2>nine to nine, ten thirty. I'll talk about this as

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<v Speaker 2>long as you want. I think that not to ignore

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<v Speaker 2>this tonight would have been an oversight. Uh, it's not

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<v Speaker 2>the way I wanted to start the year. It's not

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<v Speaker 2>the way you want to start the area that but

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<v Speaker 2>please feel free to join me. I hope that they

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<v Speaker 2>can catch every as Louisiana Senator John Kennedy said that

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<v Speaker 2>they if there are co conspirators, there's anyone who supported him,

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<v Speaker 2>embedded this crime, Let's catch him, Let's catch them all,

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<v Speaker 2>and let's find out where this this group, if it

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<v Speaker 2>was it was something more than a lone wolf, where

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<v Speaker 2>this group came from, how they coalesced, and how far

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<v Speaker 2>and how how far the tentacles of the group reached.

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<v Speaker 2>That's not too much you ask. Our large forcement authorities

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<v Speaker 2>are on it. Let's hope they do their best job possible.

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<v Speaker 2>This is horrific. This is on the level in many

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<v Speaker 2>respects of the Boston Marathon. This is New Orleans Boston Marathon.

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<v Speaker 2>Back on Nightside, right after the news break, at the

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<v Speaker 2>bottom of the hour, it's Nightside's news Radio. Well, we

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<v Speaker 2>are talking about the terrorism attack in New Orleans. Not

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<v Speaker 2>the way that I wanted to start the new year,

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<v Speaker 2>not the way I'm sure any of you wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>start the new year. But let's get to the call.

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<v Speaker 2>Six one seven four ten thirty six one seven nine

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<v Speaker 2>ten thirty. We'll start it off with Gene and Everett. Gene,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what we can say about this, but

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<v Speaker 2>i'd love to get your reaction to it.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, So here's the thing. First. First thing I wanted

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<v Speaker 5>to mention is that NBC News and other news outlets

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<v Speaker 5>have reported a little maybe dinner time, that the truck

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<v Speaker 5>in New Orleans in the rental that was outside of

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<v Speaker 5>the Trump Place in Las Vegas were both rented from

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<v Speaker 5>the same company, which makes me suspicious. Anyway, I think.

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<v Speaker 2>I think what I heard on that Gene, was that

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<v Speaker 2>the same app was used to rent the truck. Now

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not exactly sure what that means, but this seems

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<v Speaker 2>to be that connection there is here. But I gotta

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<v Speaker 2>tell you, I'm a little skeptical of that, only because well,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I was I heard the same thing

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<v Speaker 2>you said, uh, And I know that this this truck

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<v Speaker 2>also had been reported crossing the border from Mexico at

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<v Speaker 2>some point. So there'll be a lot of stuff that

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<v Speaker 2>we'll get out there, but I don't know what it

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<v Speaker 2>means until the investigators right, pull it, pull it together,

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<v Speaker 5>I understand, but that is that is a sign possibly,

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<v Speaker 5>So that's one thing. The other thing is that the

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<v Speaker 5>Tesla vehicle in Vegas near the Trump right out front

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<v Speaker 5>actually looked like it was on the sidewalk yes building,

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<v Speaker 5>which was weird. And and that they did find some

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<v Speaker 5>kind of firework explosive like looking things in the vehicle,

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<v Speaker 5>so they'll be able to get information from that, which

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<v Speaker 5>is good. Whereas we also know over in uh, the

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<v Speaker 4>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>The second well, the thing in New Orleans. The thing

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<v Speaker 2>that that that strikes me on that is that the

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<v Speaker 2>thing in New Orleans was obviously intended to maximize the damage,

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<v Speaker 2>the damage the death toll, right. And they were driving

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<v Speaker 2>down Bourbon Street at three o'clock in the morning, and

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<v Speaker 2>anyone's ever been on Bourbon Street and I have people

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<v Speaker 2>are there at all hours of the night. It's open

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<v Speaker 2>entertainment district. And it seems to me that if we

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<v Speaker 2>it may have some sort of link to the Tesla

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<v Speaker 2>and Trump and in the Trump Hotel or whatever. However,

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<v Speaker 2>it would seem to me that if you were planning

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<v Speaker 2>to to conduct a terrorist attack, that was going to

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<v Speaker 2>the gravity of which was going to kill potentially, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>dozens of people. It's already fifteen and injured dozens. Would

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<v Speaker 2>you want to also be at the same time messing

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<v Speaker 2>around blowing up at Tesla in front of Trump's a

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<v Speaker 2>Trump Well property, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, I'll answer that, But the thing is I feel

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<v Speaker 5>that I feel there's there's more of them out there.

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<v Speaker 5>I feel like there might be some more things happening.

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<v Speaker 5>I really do, and don't forget.

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<v Speaker 2>The authorities would agree with you.

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<v Speaker 5>I think planted devices Yep.

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<v Speaker 2>Well they said that. I asked ed Davis about that

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<v Speaker 2>by the way off air, and he's he said that

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<v Speaker 2>oftentimes when something of this magnitude happens, they check security

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<v Speaker 2>cameras and they'll see people acting suspiciously, and oftentimes when

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<v Speaker 2>they go out and they approach these devices, whatever they

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<v Speaker 2>might be, they don't want to take a risk, and

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<v Speaker 2>so they will blow it up. So, if let's say

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<v Speaker 2>someone I don't know, you know, was was drunk and

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<v Speaker 2>they put their bag down on the on the on

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<v Speaker 2>the street corner, uh, the authorities might say, we're not

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<v Speaker 2>going to open that bag, We're just going to blow

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<v Speaker 4>D so well.

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<v Speaker 2>As Ed said, let's let's see where the investigation lies.

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<v Speaker 2>But you made some interesting points.

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<v Speaker 5>And can I can I say one quick thing I feel,

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<v Speaker 5>I feel what can help with this type of thing

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<v Speaker 5>is I think that the Fedral government should have a

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<v Speaker 5>regional training for all states and train them on what

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<v Speaker 5>the city's need to do when they have any kind

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<v Speaker 5>of events, and what they need to do when there's

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<v Speaker 5>ever anything that looks strange like a tesla packed up

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<v Speaker 5>on a sidewalk or whatever. Because these not all cities

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<v Speaker 5>in town and not all states know what to do,

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<v Speaker 5>and we need to all be doing the same thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, certainly it's all all the big cities. I think

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<v Speaker 2>there's three hundred and fifty one cities in towns in Massachusetts.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a lot of communities that are not going to

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<v Speaker 2>be targeted. You know, they target big events, they target

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<v Speaker 2>things like the Boston Marathon.

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<v Speaker 5>But the target things like state New Years.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, thanks, you appreciate yours always.

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<v Speaker 2>Good night. Let me go to Lewis in Quinsey. Lewis,

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<v Speaker 2>you're next to the nightside. Welcome.

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<v Speaker 4>How are you doing.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm doing fine. Didn't didn't expect to start our night

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<v Speaker 2>side year on this topic, but here we are.

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<v Speaker 4>What's your take on I know I feel bad too,

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<v Speaker 4>it's really bad. But in an indirect way, did you

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<v Speaker 4>get me kind of passed away? What if? What if

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<v Speaker 4>he had stood up to the shop all those years ago?

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<v Speaker 4>Look at the problems that have come because of the

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<v Speaker 4>Crenati and the fanatics. Lab you're doing which suicide Barber's

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<v Speaker 4>which is a philosophy. What a mistake he made? What

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<v Speaker 4>do you think about it? Look back forty years and

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<v Speaker 4>it's hard to stop a suicide Barber?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well again with with Without going deep into the

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<v Speaker 2>arrival of the Ayatola. You know, the Ayatola had been

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<v Speaker 2>in exile for a long long time, and when the

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<v Speaker 2>time was right, he flew. I believe it was from

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<v Speaker 2>Paris uh to Tehran and at that point the Shah

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<v Speaker 2>the Shah's government. Basically, it was like a deck of cards,

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<v Speaker 2>it just collapsed. So I don't know that Jimmy Carter

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<v Speaker 2>could have done much. I think that there might have

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<v Speaker 2>been a failure of our intelligence organizations in not realizing

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<v Speaker 2>how fragile the Shah's government really was, and all it

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<v Speaker 2>took was the arrival of the Ayatola to basically complete

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<v Speaker 2>the revolution in Iran. And I think a lot of that.

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<v Speaker 2>I think a lot of that, Lewis. If you recall

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<v Speaker 2>back in the early seventies and into the mid seventies,

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<v Speaker 2>Committee and with Watergate, we had kind of turned inwards

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that it was more than Jimmy Carter.

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<v Speaker 2>of the press. I realized, as Harry Truman said, the

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<v Speaker 4>But I think it was.

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<v Speaker 2>Much more of a failure of our intelligence agencies to

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<v Speaker 2>understand what was going on in Iran. We installed the Shajs,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, back in the nineteen fifties, and because of that,

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<v Speaker 2>it generated a lot of ill will towards us. But interesting,

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<v Speaker 2>interesting to bring us back to that point, because ever

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<v Speaker 2>since the Eyetola, the Eyetola Homini. He brought nothing but

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<v Speaker 2>misery to the people of Iran, into the world, into

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<v Speaker 2>the world.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, maybe I'm just saying maybe I used to

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<v Speaker 4>read books about what if? What if?

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<v Speaker 2>You know what, I'm a big what if guy uh Lewis,

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<v Speaker 2>and that is what if. Let's say any presidential election

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<v Speaker 2>in your lifetime in my lifetime turned out differently. So

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<v Speaker 2>let's just pick up let's let's let's pick uh an election.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's assume that Jimmy Carter hadn't won and Gerald Ford

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<v Speaker 2>was re elected. Uh, you probably never would have had

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<v Speaker 2>Ronald Reagan, you know, I mean if that's funny. Yeah, well,

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<v Speaker 2>it's just if you look at this, I mean, if

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<v Speaker 2>let's say Mike Decaccas had beaten George Bush uh nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>eighty eight, Uh, there would have been no Bill Clinton

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<v Speaker 2>presidency because I think that.

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<v Speaker 4>By Goldwater, Well.

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<v Speaker 2>If Goldwater had been elected, uh, you know, Goldwater was

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<v Speaker 2>a Republican, he was a long shot Republican. He then

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<v Speaker 2>would have been challenged in sixty eight. There would have

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<v Speaker 2>been no Richard Nixon because Goldwater would have been president

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<v Speaker 2>until sixty eight and Richard Nixon would have aged out.

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<v Speaker 2>I think as a potential president. So yeah, I like that.

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<v Speaker 2>What if game too, Lewis? I I we we could,

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<v Speaker 2>we could compare notes.

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<v Speaker 4>Somenight, Okay, happy to do your dad.

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<v Speaker 2>Happy New Year, Lewis, appreciate you call. Thank you much.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me go. Well, you got to take a break.

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<v Speaker 2>I got a couple of open lines six one, seven, two, four,

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<v Speaker 2>ten thirty six one seven, nine three one ten thirty.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd like to talk about this. It's again not my

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<v Speaker 2>choice this morning, but it is becoming a bigger story.

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<v Speaker 2>The death toll has increased from ten to fifteen, and

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<v Speaker 2>now it appears that this is maybe maybe more than

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<v Speaker 2>the action of a lone wolf. How do we deal

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<v Speaker 2>with this? How do we deal with it? I think

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<v Speaker 2>that with the change of administration in January later this month,

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<v Speaker 2>now what twenty days from now? I think that if

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<v Speaker 2>I were Nadal Hussein Nissan Nadal, the major major major Nadal,

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<v Speaker 2>sitting on death row, I would think that this is

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<v Speaker 2>not going to help me survive the arrival of the

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<v Speaker 2>Trumpet presidency. I suspect that some of the people that

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<v Speaker 2>Joe Biden left on death row, once their repeals are out,

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<v Speaker 2>they're going to be dealt with pretty quickly. And I

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<v Speaker 2>think that that cowardly major that killed Nadal Hussein, the

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<v Speaker 2>American soldiers at Fort Hood in two thousand and nine,

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<v Speaker 2>I think his days are number. Back on Night's side

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<v Speaker 2>were phone calls. The only best line right now is

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<v Speaker 2>six one seven nine.

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<v Speaker 1>Right after this, Now back to Dan Ray line from

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<v Speaker 1>the Window World Night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm back to the calls. Go, let's go to John

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<v Speaker 2>and act and John, your reaction to this tragedy, tragic

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<v Speaker 2>terrorist attack in New Orleans.

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<v Speaker 6>Oh, it's a mess. It's a mess. So I'm calling.

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<v Speaker 6>And it was just coincidence that when I got ready

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<v Speaker 6>to call, you already had somebody on. You were talking

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<v Speaker 6>about the rent share company. So I think this is interesting.

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<v Speaker 6>I don't have any reason necessarily to believe that the

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<v Speaker 6>two incidents in Las Vegas and New Orleans are related,

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<v Speaker 6>but the rent share is an interesting aspect. And I've

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<v Speaker 6>used one of the big rent share companies, Turo, three times,

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<v Speaker 6>once in Charleston, once in Minneapolis, and once in Southampton, England. Okay,

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<v Speaker 6>and do you know how they work, because it's kind

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<v Speaker 6>of interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>I do not, and I very much appreciate your calling

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<v Speaker 2>and I hope you'll explain it to me in my

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<v Speaker 2>audience because I am unfamiliar with this.

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<v Speaker 6>Okay, So it's it's it's sort of like Uber, and

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<v Speaker 6>so it's it's rent sharing. Let's assume I have an

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<v Speaker 6>extra car, okay, I Uh, so I sign up with

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<v Speaker 6>with a rent share company and offer my car at

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<v Speaker 6>whatever price I choose. And uh people, you know, the

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<v Speaker 6>users go online and they look for a car that

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<v Speaker 6>of the kind that they want. The reason I've used

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<v Speaker 6>it is I drive a Tesla and I and that's

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<v Speaker 6>a and that's one easy way to be sure you

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<v Speaker 6>get to rent a Tesla only.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to ask you a question. How many rent

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<v Speaker 2>share I mean, there's a zillion in airbnbs, okay, so

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<v Speaker 2>how many you know? Well known rent share company you mentioned?

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<v Speaker 2>The name of this one was Curo qu.

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<v Speaker 6>I r O heiro t U r O. That's the

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<v Speaker 6>only rent share company I know of. And I don't

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<v Speaker 6>know how many companies there are like Airbnb, you know,

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<v Speaker 6>and everybody knows Uber and probably a lot of people

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<v Speaker 6>know Lyft. I don't know how many other companies they

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<v Speaker 6>are are. Beyond that. Turo is the one that I've used.

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<v Speaker 6>I don't know if that's the one that was used

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<v Speaker 6>in this case. I haven't heard the name, and I

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<v Speaker 6>don't know how many there are. But again, like Uber okay,

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<v Speaker 6>there are thousands and thousands of independent people okay who

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<v Speaker 6>offer their cars for rent through Turo, just like Uber

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<v Speaker 6>has thousands and thousands of drivers. So the cars don't

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<v Speaker 6>belong to Tiro. The people don't work for Tiro. They

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<v Speaker 6>just like Airbnb okay, list their cars for as available,

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<v Speaker 6>and you sign up to rent the car, and you know,

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<v Speaker 6>you provide your driver's license, and you rent the car.

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<v Speaker 6>And here's the key thing that makes me realize that

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<v Speaker 6>these are idea that better than that, This is better

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<v Speaker 6>than hurts for a terrorist or anybody going to do

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<v Speaker 6>any any crime, whether it's terror or or any crime

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<v Speaker 6>that invalls a vehicle. You don't go somewhere, you know,

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<v Speaker 6>like you don't go to an agency to get the car.

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<v Speaker 6>They tell you an address that the car will be at,

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<v Speaker 6>which which may be where the person who owns it lives,

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<v Speaker 6>or it just may be a place where he likes

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<v Speaker 6>to keep it parked.

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<v Speaker 2>And you drive, I'm on the I'm on the site

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<v Speaker 2>now to a row to U R O Uh. And

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<v Speaker 2>so the caller, I think it was Gene from Everett,

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<v Speaker 2>was suggesting that there was potentially a connection between the

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<v Speaker 2>fact that what happened in Las Vegas with the Tesla

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<v Speaker 2>blowing up or whatever catching fire, Uh, and the horrific

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<v Speaker 2>events in New Orleans, that that might link them. I

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<v Speaker 2>think what you're telling me is that's not likely going

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<v Speaker 2>to link them. It just is that. That's that's two,

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's it's it probably do you probably see it

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<v Speaker 2>as no no connection at all. Did he lose him?

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<v Speaker 2>Did we lose him? John? If you call back, we'll

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<v Speaker 2>pick you up on the other line on the other

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<v Speaker 2>other side. Okay, of the of the nine o'clock news,

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<v Speaker 2>call us back, John. I wanted to get your answer

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<v Speaker 2>to that question. Patrick is in Washington, d C. Patrick

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<v Speaker 2>next on Nightside. Welcome.

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<v Speaker 7>I'm very sorry for all the news here. I wanted

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<v Speaker 7>to be able to welcome you back under different circumstances

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<v Speaker 7>and thank you. They had a load to do and

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<v Speaker 7>cheer everybody on. This is not our favorite subject. Yes,

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<v Speaker 7>I do want to hear what that gentleman has to say.

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<v Speaker 7>So I knew who he calls back.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was I think what he was saying, was

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<v Speaker 2>that that it's fairly common. John is called back. Hold on,

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<v Speaker 2>stay right there, Patrick, I will come back to you

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<v Speaker 2>in one second. John, We lost you there for a second.

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<v Speaker 2>I was asking you the question. It sounds to me

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<v Speaker 2>like you're saying that this is probably nothing more than

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<v Speaker 2>a coincidence because a lot of people are using this

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<v Speaker 2>particular app. Now, is that what the.

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<v Speaker 6>New incidents are Possibly nothing more than a coincidence. But

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<v Speaker 6>the app is ideal because you don't actually necessarily even

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<v Speaker 6>meet the person. You could come up with fake identification

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<v Speaker 6>and rent the car and show up and get the

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<v Speaker 6>car and nobody sees you and you're not tracked. And

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<v Speaker 6>this is another thing that I think is important. Okay,

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<v Speaker 6>so the government isn't going to have a list of

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<v Speaker 6>all license plates that belong to rental cars. Nothing identifies

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<v Speaker 6>the car as a rental car, either on the car

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<v Speaker 6>or through its license plate, or through some sort of

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<v Speaker 6>sticker on the window. There's it just looks like a

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<v Speaker 6>completely private car.

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<v Speaker 2>So what's conceivable, what you're telling me is that the

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<v Speaker 2>guy that you know basically effectuated all of the carnage

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<v Speaker 2>on Bourbon Street last night could have picked this car

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<v Speaker 2>up from some person in Houston, Texas who's he never met,

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<v Speaker 2>never seen before. And and maybe that's why they're looking

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<v Speaker 2>at an address in Houston. It may have nothing to

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<v Speaker 2>do that must just be some person who rented their truck.

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<v Speaker 6>U know that the address in Houston has nothing to

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<v Speaker 6>do with it, but they're they're probably looking to see

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<v Speaker 6>if they have cameras so they can see if it

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<v Speaker 6>was the same person that they killed who picked up

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<v Speaker 6>the car.

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<v Speaker 2>M interesting. Okay, John, really good call. Thank you very much.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you caller of the night so far. Thanks John.

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<v Speaker 2>I appreciate call more often. Okay, thanks, bye bye. All right,

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<v Speaker 2>let me get back to Patrick. Patrick, we only got

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<v Speaker 2>about a minute left here. I can hold you over

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<v Speaker 2>if you want to be held over, well.

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<v Speaker 7>I would like to do that because I'd like to

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<v Speaker 7>talk with you on this and I'm gonna move quickly

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<v Speaker 7>once we get into the after the hours.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Just I thought that that John's call and the

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<v Speaker 2>fact that he called back is interesting. He's basically making

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<v Speaker 2>the case that what a great way for somebody. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>you you rent your your third car, you rent your

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<v Speaker 2>regular car, and all of a sudden you look at

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<v Speaker 2>television realize it's being driven down Bourbon Street by a terrorist. Interesting,

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<v Speaker 2>interesting theory. I was up until a couple of minutes ago,

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<v Speaker 2>I had never heard of Touro. So we'll talk with

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<v Speaker 2>Patrick on the other side. Patrick, stay right there. Here

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<v Speaker 2>comes to nine o'clock News. If you would like to

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<v Speaker 2>reinforce what John had to say, or if you have

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<v Speaker 2>a comment, feel Fraace. Here's the line six one, seven, two, five,

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<v Speaker 2>four ten thirty six one seven nine three one ten

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<v Speaker 2>thirty one hour down, more than eight hundred to go

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<v Speaker 2>in twenty twenty five. Will be back on nightside right

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<v Speaker 2>after this