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Speaker 1: The countdown is on to fight time.

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Speaker 2: This is Big Fight Weekend.

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Speaker 3: Now here is your host, DJ leaves Well, it is

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a weekend that has a very intriguing junior wealthyweight showdown.

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Somebody's gonna be very very much championship relevant when it's

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all said and done. We think in Manchester, England, that's provided.

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But it's not a draw here. I say that at

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the beginning of the pod. It is the Big Fight

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Weekend preview pod. It is Jack Catterall, Regis Progray in

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that battle in the match room main event. We've got that.

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We've got the former WBC Junior Lightweight champion on the pod.

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One oh Shaki Foster talking with our Dan Rayfield, speaking

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of our insider, Big Dan Rayfield. Good to be back

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with you, as we had to, Dare I say it

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the final weekend of October, my lord, Halloween about to

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be here, November about to be here. It's crazy. Good

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to be back with you, my friend.

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Speaker 1: Yes, good to be back. Halloween is a big deal

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in my house. Your kids are a little bit older,

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but my son, it's still the big, big deal here.

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Speaker 3: Well, see, here's what you have to look forward to,

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because this was going on on Thursday night as we

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tape this where my wife says, are you girls doing

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anything for Halloween? And suddenly they start talking about costumes

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and their friends, even though they are now juniors in

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high school. So the procrastination has happened. I'm anxious to

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hear about what young Rayfield will be for Halloween. You

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never know. It could range from a superhero to my

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dressing up is Mike Tyson, you know it's I don't know.

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He might come black trunks, black shoes, no socks, with

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a hacked out bath, towel over him and just come

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to the door and look for some candy. But in

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any event, thank you for finding us. Make sure you follow,

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that tell us how wonderful ray feel is, how you

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tolerate me? We can and wet if you're the audience,

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do that through all of the different podcast outlets. Again, Oh,

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Shaki Foster coming up. We got some news. We got

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some Evander Holyfield nostalgia, which just recently a birthday as

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we were talking about on the last pod. But first

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let's get into it. The Mattroom main event, Jack Catterwall,

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Regis Progray. You interviewed Regis Progray. I hope they heard

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it on the podcast feed. If they did not, it's

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the previous pod where you went in depth with him.

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All right, it's intriguing for the reason that I laid

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out the winner. Very championship relevant again here at junior

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welterweight at won forty yr. Thoughts going into this matchup

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for Saturday afternoon US time, Saturday night in Manchester, England.

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Speaker 1: Well, first and foremost, this was a fight that was

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supposed to have happened already. I mean, they had a

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fight date that was scheduled in the summer and it

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was delayed because of an injury to Catterall that happened

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about it, I guess what about a month or so

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before the fight, so was postpone until this time frame.

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Catroll had an injury that I'd deal with. I guess

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nothing urgently seriously, but still unfortunate that both guys were

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in the camps, had a pro opponent, so there's been

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a little bit of a of a lag and a

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weight to get to the match. And when I look

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at the fight TJ, I think to myself. I mean,

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these two guys have been, you know, near the top

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of the one hundred and forty pounds way class for

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the last several years. And even though it's not a

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world title fight, I look at it a sort and

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it's not like an official eliminator fight. It's not a

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you know, it's not a world title fight, but it's

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in essence it's like a de facto eliminator because the

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guy that's the winner, presumably if it's definitive and there's

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not a lot of controversy, and it turns out to

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be like a decent fight that the winner is going

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to put himself in a really good position, not officially

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in terms of a saying thing about it to mandate

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the fight, but the calls from the public to see

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the winner against one of the champions in the division

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will probably grow. So from that standpoint, it makes it important.

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So they are the main event. They're fighting in Manchester

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at the brand new co Op Live, which is the

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new arena that they built a Manchester. Manchester is in

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essence the hometown of Jack Cattrell. He comes from, you know,

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about thirty minutes away from there, so it's going to

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be a big crowd for him. Now, Regis has fought

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in the UK before and is not at all worried

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or scared or you know, shrinking from that moment of

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being there. But of course I don't think he forgets

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the fact that when he did fight there, you know,

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a few years ago in the June it was a

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world title unification fight, back when it was during the

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Super six or whatever they call it, the World Boxing

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Super six years ago. Yes, it was the World Boxing

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Super Series, and he was in a unification bout in

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that tournament and they fought to fight in London. He

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fought against Josh Taylor. Now, grant that Josh is from Scotland,

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not from England, but it was still obviously a big

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time uh Josh Taylor crowd. It's you know, basically his

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home country from that same but anyway, terrific fight lost

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the majority of decision, and a lot of the conversation

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after that fight was, you know, if that fights in

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the United States or somewhere that's more of a neutral territory,

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you know, there's a very good chance that Regis would

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have been the one to get the hand raised that night,

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and he hadn't lost a fight since then, you know,

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that was in twenty nineteen, and then obviously he comes

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off his then he didn't lose another fight, tell the

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last fight. Now, That's that's the thing about this fight

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with regis they're both talented guys okay, and they both

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have shown world championship pedigree. Even though Caterreall's never had

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a world title, A lot of people think he should

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have been the undisputed champion when he had that very

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controversial decision loss against against Josh Taylor in their first fight.

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He obviously got the revenge in the last fight, but

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the twenty twenty two fight that they had, which was

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a split decision lost or undisputed, you know, was considered

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in terms. I didn't really think it was as controversial

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as some people made it out, but in the UK

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it was like you'd thought it was Parnel Whitaker against

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Julius Caesar Chavas in their draw. In any event, you know,

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he's won his three fights since then, been a little

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bit inactive because of all the stuff that went down

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in that fight, the rescheduling elements that never happened, in

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injuries and this and that anyway, they finally fought again

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in May of this year, and Catterall won a decision

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in that fight, so he got that revenge and you know,

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couldn't get a world title fight in the next fight.

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And with with pro Gray look at his best, he's

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one of the more dynamic, one of the better one

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hundred and forty pounders that we've seen over the last

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few years. The problem is, and I think if you

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really are truthfully yourself. As much as I like Regis

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and respect him, he's a really great guy and uh

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and just been a really fun guy to shooter.

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Speaker 3: In the interview. When you ask questions, you get straight answers,

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which we love in our business.

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Speaker 1: But the thing is you have to okay, So let's

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go back to November of twenty twenty two. He gets

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an opportunity to fight for the vacant WBC title, and

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he looks really good against Hosy's a paid a really

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good fight. How it was Thanksgiving weekend. He stopped him

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in the eleventh round of a fight that he was

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clearly winning, even though it was a very good fight

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to watch. He scores the knockout and it's like, all right,

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Regis Prograde regains the title. He's a two time champion

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and now let's see what he can do. So they

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take him home to New Orleans in June of twenty

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twenty three for his first defense of his second title reign.

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He does win a split decision over a Puerto Rican

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fighter named dan Alitos Area, and it was one of

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the most futured offensive output performances maybe in recent boxing history.

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There was, like, sir, I don't know if it was

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records or close to records of you know, futility for

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compy box from both guys. Just an absolutely dog shit

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fight to watch. And Regis admits that he knows it

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was terrible. He said it was a little bit because

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of the distractions of fighting at home. Perhaps part of

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that was true, but it can't be the only reason

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you look like absolute, you know, just terrible in a

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fight against I mean, Dan Alitos Area is not like

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he's a bad fighter, but he was never considered like,

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you know, this super elite contender and a good fighter,

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but not not on the level of Regis program. But

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you know what, Okay, fine, you want to you want

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to take them all again. You know, everybody doesn't have

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their perfect game on every night. So okay, he got

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to win. You know the old saying TJ. You know,

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win and look good the next time. I mean, you

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hear that a lot and about right right, Okay, so

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you can kind of give him a pas and that

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shit happens. He looked great against pay Them, maybe not

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so good against the RIA. And so he comes back

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at the end of twenty twenty three in December and

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a very heavily hyped up, popular fight that a lot

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of people wanted to see. He goes to San Francisco,

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the birth city of one Devin Haney, who was had

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moved up from the lightweight division after vacating the undisputed title,

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and he challenges Regius Progra for that title. Now, that

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was a fight that I think was very interesting. A

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lot of people were like, that's a good class of styles,

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that could be a real interesting fight. They had a

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lot of good back and forth lead up to the fight.

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There was some good hype, and when they got in

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the ring, Devin Haney made Regius Progra look like an amateur,

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like he didn't belong in the ring. Now you want to,

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you know, you say a guy wins the fight, you know,

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it's a solid fight, it's a good fight, it's a postfight.

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But one guy's declared winner. That's fine. This was not

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competitive for one second of the fight. Devin Haney absolutely

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destroyed Regius Progra from the standpoint of winning every single

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round on the score cards. Nothing was even like that

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close for you would say, well, you know what, that's

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as questionable around. You know, we always talk about or

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I always talk about the range of acceptable scores. You

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know what, the range of acceptable scores in that fight

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was twelve to zero.

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Speaker 3: Twelve zero, or maybe eleven to one. No I would

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even given eleven one.

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Speaker 1: Somebody gave him one round, I would be okay. So

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you know, by the way, by the way, in addition

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to winning twelve rounds of zero, Devin Haney, who we

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all know is a tremendous boxer but never been known

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as the biggest puncher, scored a knockdown in the third

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round and put.

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Speaker 3: So you said a bunch there, But I want to

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interject with what you're saying. So this is two straight

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performances where he also looked good at all.

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Speaker 1: It's not just two bad performances. It's two of the

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single worst offensive performances of a championship level fighter for

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as long as I can think of. I mean, he

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probably combined to land as many punches in those two

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fights as some guys might land in five or six rounds.

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Speaker 3: Right, So they were both bad. So I guess that

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leads to the legitimate question and we're going to handicap

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this for their first mention of the bet US Boxing

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Show Friday at one Eastern time. But there's a real

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concern of are these are his better days past him?

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He's offensively, what does he still have in the tank here?

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I think those are legitimate concerns going into this fight

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with Catterall here that we may we may see something

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similar where he doesn't have any offense again until we

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see otherwise, until he gets otherwise.

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Speaker 1: Look, he's thirty five years old. I mean, I don't

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look at Regis's career and I look down the list

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of opponents he's face and based on your average top

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level guy, I don't look at Regis as a guy

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that's you know, been beat up and taking tremendous punishment

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and has lost miles off his career because he's been

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in these knockdown, drag out fights, you know, he had

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some tough fights. To Josh Taylor fight was a tough fight, Okay,

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fair enough, but it's not like he's been in multiple

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big time battle royales that type of thing. So from

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body in terms of the fights themselves, I mean, he's

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thirty five, so it's not like he's a young spring chicken.

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the proof is in the output of what you see.

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He just being honest. He looked horrible in the last

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two fights. And if you lose to a Devin Hainey

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who was a superior boxer, like, okay, I get it

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that happens. But when you put it back to back

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with a Zuria fight and the fact that it's not

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that you lost to Hani, you didn't compete with Haney.

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You look like your feet were in cement. Yeah, you

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got knocked down by a non puncher. You lost every

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single round. And when I say the range of acceptable

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scores on that fight is twelfth to nothing, it ain't twelve.

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It ain't eleven to one, it's twelfth to zero. There

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was not a single round where.

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Speaker 3: He admitted he admitted after that fight. He admitted to you,

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Devin Haney was a lot better than he thought. And

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I really wonder we don't know this. I really wonder

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if tactically, because he admitted after the Zaia fight that

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that tactically he hadn't watched him a lot and whatever,

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figured out a lot to do with with Haney. And

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there's another argument here that Jack Caterall is not as

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talented as Devin Haney. He may be easier to hit

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for that reason. So we got to see, we gotta see.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, he's a he's for a guy that

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hasn't won a world title, he's about as close as

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a guest. I mean, he's twenty nine and one, with

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the one loss being the controversial decision in the first

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fight with Taylor. He's got the thirteen knockouts. It is

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South Paul versus South Paw, so there won't be that

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messy aspect of it. They're both lefties, so there's not

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headbut situations you might see if it's a lefty versus alrighty,

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I just think that Regis's uh, you know, I don't.

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I haven't. You know, you'll tell me after the show

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or in the morning when we have to do the

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odds for the bet Us picks. But I'm not even

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entirely sure what the odds are in this fight at

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the moment. But I do know that if you take

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a look at the at the recent Jack Catterall, since

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the Tailor fight, he came you know, he came back

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a year plus later and won a really future decision

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over Daggrafoli in this toff, absolute waste of time fight.

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He dominated, he won basically every round, but it was

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you know, being asleep after about right then they put

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him in the ring with the corpse of the poor

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Halinaris and he didn't even stop him. Guy that's been

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stopped numerous times. Not exactly a scintillating performance against Lenaris,

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who then retired after that fight. And you know, I

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love Lenari's He's been a you know, he's a top

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fighter in the leleweight division. Firmber of years and one titles,

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three with classes, and you know, was a top guy.

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they were able to get the Taylor rematch, and I

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think that Taylor was not what he was. He's he

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had come off the loss to Tiathimo Lopez and had

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not looked that good. So, you know, I'm not sure

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what version of Josh Taylor Caterroll finally and legitimately beat

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Like is it that both these guys may be on

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the downside. So but at least it's an evenly matched fight.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 1: Jack Cattrell has not taken We talked about how how

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Regis hasn't taken like massive punishment. Catterall's taken even way

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less than Regis has. But he's also four years younger,

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He's thirty one years old. He's fighting in his hometown.

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I just feel like Regis, you know, as much as

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I like him, feel like he's fighting a major, major

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uphill battle in this.

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Speaker 3: Fight all right, and again will handicap it more at

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one Eastern time on Friday, main event Matchroom Show Dezone, Manchester, England,

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Saturday afternoon in the US Saturday night primetime, And that's

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the primary fight card that we have this weekend that

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we'll be talking about. Obviously, you're in the preview mode

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and on that show tomorrow, so that leads us to

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a conversation that you have had this week with Oshaki Foster.

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Foster will attempt to regain his WBC Junior Lightweight title

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coming up against Robeson Consasoo controversial decision back in July.

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Immediate rematch here coming in October. We're intrigued. You don't

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have to wait for fight week though. As I like

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to say, you get that conversation right now about Foster,

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that decision, loss, the motivation, the rematch, all of it

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right now here on the preview pot.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's my pleasure to welcome to our podcast this week.

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It's the former WBC Junior Lightweight champ, Oshaki Foster and O'shaki.

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Welcome to the show. Thank you so much for doing this.

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We'll talk about your very significant rematch coming up.

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Speaker 4: Hey, thank you for having me. Bro.

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Speaker 1: You bet all right. We'll let the folks know you

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have a rematch with Robson Coosasao, who came away with

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a very controversial decision against you a few months ago

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to take your title in the defense, and now you

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got the order for the immediate rematch. You guys are

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both with top rank. They were to put that fight together.

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I think pretty easily. It seemed to me. Anyway, you

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guys will get it on once again November two. It's

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the main event of the Top Rank ESPN Plus card

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at the Turning Stone Resort Casino in Verona, New York,

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not far from where I grew up as a matter

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of fact. So the first question I got to start

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with you O'shaki is this when you fought him the

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first time in July, you were making your third title defense.

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You had looked good in your dramatic victory against Hernandez,

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you had defeated Abraham Nova, seemed to be on a

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very good role. You guys were the co feature that

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night in Newark, New Jersey, when Chakorus Stevenson was in

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the main event against Ardam Hartunian. You lost a split decision,

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and the folks know to refresh your memory. One judge

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had you winning one sixteen to one twelve, uh and

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the two other judges had concerts I winning one sixteen

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to one twelve and one fifteen one thirteen. My question is,

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when they're reading the squarecards, did you feel like I

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got this in the bag and were you surprised when

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that was said it was going to be a split verdict.

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Speaker 2: Uh yeah, I was telling my coaches right after the

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bill round that you know, I made it look easy

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and that, you know, I showed the world that you know,

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I can box and I can make it look easy

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if I want to. So yeah, when the square cards

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came out, it was like I kind of talked. I

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don't know, I kind of felt, I don't know, I

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was I don't know. I couldn't understand it because I

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was literally just telling them like, man, this was you know,

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the good night easy work.

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Speaker 4: Like woo woo, and then we.

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Speaker 2: Lose the fight and it's like, yeah, it was crazy, man,

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it was crazy.

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Speaker 1: I mean I didn't attend the fight in person that time,

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but I watched it like so many other boxing fans

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and wrote about it afterwards. And I when I watch

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fights like that, I scored them on paper or in

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my computer as I'm watching, And I scored the fight

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for you one eighteen to one ten. I thought maybe

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there was maybe one round, maybe two that I could

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have given the other way, So you still would have,

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at least in my mind, one eight rounds to four.

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So just how shocked were you, uh in when it happened?

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I know you said you thought you won easily.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was unbelievable for me. I just it didn't

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feel real. I ain't gonna lie.

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Speaker 4: I didn't feel real.

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Speaker 2: I kind of That's why I was just kind of

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pacing around the ring. I was trying to understand, like

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like you know where it came from, but.

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Speaker 4: I don't know. It just feel crazy, man.

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Speaker 1: Just well, I know you wanted a rematch, obviously, that

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was something that you called for right away. As it

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turned out to WBC, they ordered the immediate rematch, and

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here you go, you've got it. But before that happened,

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I know you wanted it, But were you a little

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surprised or or how how much did you think that

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you would actually get them to order it.

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Speaker 2: I felt pretty good about the de Wie, I felt

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pretty good.

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Speaker 4: About them ordering it. Not gonna lie, I didn't have

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no no.

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Speaker 2: I felt I felt there was too much backlash, too much,

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too much going on around the fight, that it had

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to be a rematch. I was gonna put a stand

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on the sport. But the only thing I didn't know

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if if they was gonna try to run from the rematch,

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if Mauricio didn't you're talking about, yeah, if he didn't

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make it like force the rematch. I'm sure they would

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have probably ran from the rematch.

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Speaker 1: So when you wall put like that, since the fight happened,

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have you gone back and rewatch it? I did once, okay,

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So what do you see when you rewatch it? Do

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you see, like how it's passible that they could give

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him the scores that he could at least two of

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the judges have him winning the fight.

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Speaker 2: Nah, I seen him win in two rounds.

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Speaker 4: I give him two rounds.

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Speaker 2: I know it was around the fourth and probably somewhere

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around the later round, but not not at all. I

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thought it was a clean wash in the ring. And

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when I watched it, Yeah, the most I could give

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him was two rounds.

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Speaker 1: So nothing that he gave you trouble with that you

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could have seen that maybe somebody else was like, Okay,

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he's doing very well in this particular facet of the fight,

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so therefore maybe he can win some more rounds. Anything,

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anything you gave you trouble with.

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Speaker 2: No, not really, I could have counted more, you know,

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stuff like that, but nah, not really no.

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Speaker 1: So the one thing that I see when I look

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at it, so I don't like live and die let's

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say by the CompuBox numbers, I know that they do

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provide a guide to the fight. So when I look

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at it, I see and these numbers are very stark.

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You know, if you've ever taken a look at what

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the numbers from your fight were, is that you threw

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way fewer punches than he did, by by quite a bit,

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like well over one hundred punches almost one hundred, like

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almost two hundred punches less than he did. But you

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land You were credited with landing like forty more punches

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than he was. So you're landing more, but you're not

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nearly as busy. But he's throwing way more but landing

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a lot less. In fact, he landed at a historically

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pour amount only eleven percent of his punches. But the

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reason I'm saying this is because some judges might look

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and be swayed by the activity, and another judge may

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be swayed by the fact that you were landing more punches,

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even if you know neither one of you were throwing

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particularly devastating punches landing them anyway. So that leads me

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to this, do you think that part of going into

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the rematch that you need to at least ratchet up

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your activity level in terms of your punch output to

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make sure that that doesn't happen again.

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Speaker 2: Uh, we ain't given away no game plans, but I

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plan on. I plan on. I know what I need

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to do. I understand what I need to do. Definitely

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was easy, no matter how we judge seeing it, they

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should have seen it as a unanimous decision. So I

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shouldn't have to go in there and change everything up,

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but I would. I would turn it up. It's okay.

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I mean, I understand what I need to do.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, when I said I don't, I'm

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not talking about some kind of like radical change. I

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just mean being sort of a cognizant of the fact

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that I might need to, like maybe be a little

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bit more aggressive, maybe throw a few more punches, because

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we've seen you do that. We saw that in the

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Hernandez fight, for example. It's not like you're not capable

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of doing that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, now, you're right.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's that's that's basically what it is.

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Speaker 4: You know, we gotta turn it up.

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Speaker 1: So and what would it mean to you to regain

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the title? I mean, you know, I've talked to lots

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of fighters in my day, and it's one thing. You know,

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they win the title and you know they always talk

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about it. You know, getting it's one thing, but keeping

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it's tougher.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 1: And then if they lose it and get it back again,

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they talk about how sweet it is.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, uh yeah, it's it's it's gonna be. I don't

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know I'm gonna feel I'm gonna feel great. I'm I'm

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I'm real anxious. I'm excited and uh man, when that

473
00:22:19,599 --> 00:22:23,119
when that time come, I think I'm happy. I'm gonna

474
00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:25,400
have more emotions than I did for the first go round.

475
00:22:25,759 --> 00:22:27,519
Speaker 1: Well, I see you smiling. I can tell you're like

476
00:22:27,559 --> 00:22:29,599
excited about it when you when I yeah, you really

477
00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:32,799
pumped up for it. Yeah, you guys had a pretty

478
00:22:32,799 --> 00:22:34,440
bad head butt there in the ninth round of the fight.

479
00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:37,000
I left you guys both with cuts. It seemed to

480
00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:38,440
me that yours was a bit worse than his.

481
00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:39,240
Speaker 4: Uh.

482
00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:40,599
Speaker 1: You kind of have to in the back of your

483
00:22:40,599 --> 00:22:42,880
mind make sure that you are worry about making sure

484
00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:44,119
the head don't get involved again.

485
00:22:45,279 --> 00:22:45,640
Speaker 4: Yeah.

486
00:22:45,759 --> 00:22:48,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, and kind of when that happened, it was kind

487
00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:51,720
of my fault too, the way I threw the right

488
00:22:51,759 --> 00:22:53,880
hand and the way he like, I counted the right

489
00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:56,240
hand and I pulled, but I kind of leaned over

490
00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:58,559
to the left a little bit, so that's what kind

491
00:22:58,559 --> 00:23:00,920
of made it. So, Yeah, I'm gonna be I'm definitely

492
00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:03,759
gonna be mindful of his head because that was kind

493
00:23:03,799 --> 00:23:05,880
of Yeah.

494
00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:06,799
Speaker 1: Is it. It's all healed up though, No issues there

495
00:23:06,799 --> 00:23:07,960
going into this fight with the cut.

496
00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:10,079
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, no no issues.

497
00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:11,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, because you guess not like you guys are waiting

498
00:23:11,759 --> 00:23:13,119
a year to do the remat It's been like what

499
00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:15,200
four months or so since the last fight, since July,

500
00:23:15,319 --> 00:23:17,279
so it's not a long hasn't been a long wait,

501
00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:17,680
I guess.

502
00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:19,960
Speaker 4: Yeah.

503
00:23:20,039 --> 00:23:22,079
Speaker 1: You know, I've always been interested in your backstory. I've

504
00:23:22,079 --> 00:23:24,599
heard them talk about it on on on the broadcast

505
00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:26,200
in the past. I've written a little bit about it

506
00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:27,960
in the in the past about how you know, you

507
00:23:28,039 --> 00:23:30,519
got in some trouble as a kid, you were in jail. Uh,

508
00:23:30,559 --> 00:23:34,440
you had been a really good amateur boxer and and

509
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:36,079
and I guess the way the story goes that I

510
00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:37,319
heard you tell me if I'm wrong here, that at

511
00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:40,799
some point, you know, while you're doing your time, uh,

512
00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:43,920
you were watching Terrence Crawford fight and we're inspired by

513
00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:46,799
watching a Terrence Crawford fight, And as the story goes,

514
00:23:47,079 --> 00:23:49,519
Oshaki Foster said, you know what, when I'm out of here,

515
00:23:49,559 --> 00:23:51,000
which you know, I guess you didn't have a long

516
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:53,880
period of time left to do, uh that you were

517
00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:56,599
gonna try to turn your life around and dedicate yourself

518
00:23:56,599 --> 00:23:59,680
to boxing, seeing what what what Terrence Crawford had done.

519
00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:02,480
Can you uh go a little bit more into that

520
00:24:02,519 --> 00:24:04,759
story of what happened and what fight were you watching?

521
00:24:04,799 --> 00:24:06,559
And like, I didn't know that you could watch like

522
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:07,759
HBO fights in jail.

523
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:13,160
Speaker 2: Oh actually it was uh it was so I was.

524
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:16,960
It's like the blocks. It's like a twelve man unit

525
00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:22,279
and there no no no no guards in there. They come,

526
00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:24,799
they come visit like every hour or two.

527
00:24:25,079 --> 00:24:28,240
Speaker 1: Yeah. Some people know it's like you're in maximum security prison.

528
00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:29,400
I don't think or anything like that.

529
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:30,680
Speaker 4: Yeah.

530
00:24:30,759 --> 00:24:35,279
Speaker 2: So I went in and I wasn't in the maximum security.

531
00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:36,640
Speaker 4: But they got things.

532
00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:39,079
Speaker 2: Called blocks, so you can go to population or you

533
00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:41,599
can go to the blocks. And so the murders or

534
00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:45,440
like as anything, agg they going to the blocks. You

535
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:47,319
know what I mean, you don't go to population. So

536
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:48,839
it ain't no security going none.

537
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:49,000
Speaker 4: Of that and that.

538
00:24:49,319 --> 00:24:52,400
Speaker 2: But Anyways, we had a small a small like TV

539
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:55,640
where you can get like the basic channels, the basic

540
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:56,480
cable channels.

541
00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:59,440
Speaker 4: He was fighting on ESPN that night. He was fighting

542
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:02,200
and Dono. He was fighting in DONO.

543
00:25:02,599 --> 00:25:04,839
Speaker 1: That was not that was not Oh yeah, that was ESPN.

544
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:05,680
That's right, that's right.

545
00:25:05,839 --> 00:25:08,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, so there was that was that fight.

546
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:11,039
Speaker 1: And so what was it? What was it about that that,

547
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:13,200
like just did you have like an epiphany like Okay,

548
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:15,079
I'm gonna change things when like when you saw him

549
00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:16,839
win the Younger Speed of Championship.

550
00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:21,359
Speaker 2: It was really just a mental thing at the time

551
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:24,359
because I hadn't been sinnised yet. I was still I

552
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:27,119
was in there, you know, I hadn't even bailed out

553
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:27,559
or nothing.

554
00:25:27,599 --> 00:25:27,839
Speaker 4: It was.

555
00:25:28,279 --> 00:25:30,200
Speaker 2: I hadn't went to court and nothing. So I was

556
00:25:30,279 --> 00:25:33,799
just put in my mind towards that and and and

557
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:37,039
kind of manifesting it in that way. I really didn't

558
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:39,720
have no no super plan. I was still locked up,

559
00:25:39,759 --> 00:25:43,079
but I knew and the people around me that was

560
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:45,640
in the in the in the jails, in the jail

561
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:48,000
with me, they they was kind of like, you know,

562
00:25:48,039 --> 00:25:50,839
they was kind of on my side with it too.

563
00:25:51,039 --> 00:25:53,039
Like it was because I was still trying to do

564
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:56,319
a little boxing training in there, but it wasn't nothing major,

565
00:25:56,839 --> 00:26:00,279
So it just gave me confidence being that me and

566
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,240
Terrence got a similar style, you know what I mean,

567
00:26:03,319 --> 00:26:04,039
and stuff like that.

568
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:08,160
Speaker 1: So so yeah, when you look back, is that almost

569
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:09,880
like a I mean, listen, no one wants to be

570
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:13,799
in jail obviously, but looking back that if that puts

571
00:26:13,799 --> 00:26:16,319
you on the straight and narrow path and help lead

572
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:18,000
you to where you are now in your career, A

573
00:26:18,039 --> 00:26:20,759
guy that's uh, you know, stayed out of trouble. I

574
00:26:20,759 --> 00:26:23,839
guess since you've come out, won a world championship, you know,

575
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:27,720
made some money, have opportunities. Uh is in the long run,

576
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,279
was it like a good thing? Yeah?

577
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:31,039
Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure.

578
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:36,519
Speaker 2: The last the last little sit I had in there

579
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:39,680
was definitely the eye opener because, like I said, I

580
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:41,680
hadn't been sinised yet and they didn't want to.

581
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:44,039
Speaker 4: They didn't want to let us bond out. So I

582
00:26:44,079 --> 00:26:45,039
was just sitting.

583
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:47,119
Speaker 2: Sitting and you don't never know, you know what I mean,

584
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:48,559
You never know if you're gonna sit down and to

585
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:51,319
your sentences, so senate sentencing or what else.

586
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 4: Whatever.

587
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:54,599
Speaker 2: So yeah, that opened my eyes. It just made me

588
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:57,119
be like, all right, you need to. You need to

589
00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:59,480
go forward with it with the box and stuff and

590
00:26:59,519 --> 00:27:01,799
try to If not, then you.

591
00:27:01,839 --> 00:27:04,960
Speaker 4: Know what I mean, it's gonna go down here.

592
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:07,039
Speaker 1: And how long were you did you serve then? Because

593
00:27:07,039 --> 00:27:08,240
of that in the first place.

594
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:11,920
Speaker 2: I was, I was only in there for that time,

595
00:27:12,039 --> 00:27:16,759
for like five months, five six months, But soon as

596
00:27:16,799 --> 00:27:20,440
I got out, I stayed on the friend couch and

597
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:23,720
then I moved straight to uh FEMA rooms in Houston,

598
00:27:23,759 --> 00:27:24,200
and then we.

599
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:24,680
Speaker 4: Got it going.

600
00:27:25,519 --> 00:27:27,160
Speaker 1: And that's when you went and turned it all over

601
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:28,519
the boxing and put your life into it.

602
00:27:29,279 --> 00:27:32,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, standing the female rooms because I had a friend

603
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:34,680
she could get FEMA rooms in her name. So I

604
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,160
was just staying in Houston and I just started going

605
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:41,640
to Main Street Boxing gym and it just feeling fail

606
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:42,680
in place everything.

607
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:45,519
Speaker 1: And so now, like we were talking about, you got

608
00:27:45,519 --> 00:27:47,759
this important rematch with Conscious Out coming up. You have

609
00:27:47,799 --> 00:27:50,319
opportunity to regain a portion of one hundred and thirty

610
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:52,000
pound title. And so my question then would be if

611
00:27:52,039 --> 00:27:54,160
that happens and you're the winner of the fight, like

612
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:55,920
so many of us thought you won the first fight,

613
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:58,400
what what sort of fights after that are interested? I mean,

614
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:00,720
you're you're one hundred and thirty pound way class. Uh,

615
00:28:00,799 --> 00:28:02,559
you know you're with top rank. They promote never at

616
00:28:02,599 --> 00:28:04,359
the in Valdez who are fighting in a title fight.

617
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 4: Uh.

618
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,640
Speaker 1: Later this year there's other talented fighters. Is it will

619
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:09,200
move up to one hundred and thirty five pounds where

620
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:11,759
there's also quality fighters. You know you're I don't know

621
00:28:11,799 --> 00:28:13,680
if Loma Chenko is gonna fight again, but he's got

622
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:15,200
a belt, he's with top rank.

623
00:28:15,599 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 4: Uh.

624
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:17,839
Speaker 1: You know what kind of things do you have in

625
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:20,759
your mind for your future if you regain this title?

626
00:28:22,519 --> 00:28:22,759
Speaker 4: Yeah?

627
00:28:22,799 --> 00:28:25,759
Speaker 2: Man, after we regained this title, I'm looking. I'm looking

628
00:28:25,799 --> 00:28:30,000
for the winner of oscarbas never say that that would

629
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:36,960
be my first option. Anything outside of that, Loma any anything,

630
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:39,960
I'm I'm open for any of the big fights.

631
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 4: I'm not I'm not picking and choosing whoever.

632
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 2: Whoever it is. If it's a big fighters, we can

633
00:28:45,799 --> 00:28:48,599
we can unify. I can go up and fight for

634
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:50,960
another title than either one.

635
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:51,720
Speaker 4: I'm cool with it.

636
00:28:53,079 --> 00:28:55,079
Speaker 1: Well, I hope you're cool with it. Come up your

637
00:28:55,079 --> 00:28:58,160
fight with your rematch with Robson Kontaso. Uh, coming up

638
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:00,279
on November two at the Turning Stone, because you know

639
00:29:00,359 --> 00:29:02,559
on ESPN plus. Oh Shaky. I wish you the best

640
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:04,920
luck in the fight, and I really appreciate your time today.

641
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 4: Hey, thank you brother, I appreciate.

642
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 3: You having me so again, as we clarify that as

643
00:29:10,279 --> 00:29:12,920
not this weekend, but next weekend at the Turning Stone

644
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:16,279
Resort in Verona, New York. Say the day, the date,

645
00:29:16,359 --> 00:29:20,279
November second, November second, which is what three days before

646
00:29:20,279 --> 00:29:20,720
the election.

647
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:23,799
Speaker 1: And also just so people know, this is an ESPN

648
00:29:23,839 --> 00:29:26,599
Plus only show, not at ESPN Network show.

649
00:29:26,759 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 3: So that is coming now as we release this pod

650
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:32,759
in eight or nine days. All right, So again intrigue

651
00:29:32,799 --> 00:29:34,960
on the rematch here again, though we were just talking

652
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:38,480
about this with the Catterall program fight. I don't know

653
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:40,920
what we're getting because neither guy was very good in

654
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,440
that first fight. Who's gonna step up and be good

655
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:44,200
in the rematch?

656
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:47,119
Speaker 1: Here? Yeah, I mean, look when they had the first fight,

657
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:51,000
the scorers, I mean I scored the fight pretty wide

658
00:29:51,039 --> 00:29:53,119
in favor of O Shaki Foss. A lot of people did,

659
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:55,160
and so it was a little bit surprising not only

660
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,799
to see that Constile was the winner of the fight,

661
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:01,240
but that he won he won closely on the two

662
00:30:01,279 --> 00:30:03,240
score cards. Foster one judge had him eight to four.

663
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:05,400
The other judge had it eight four for constant out win.

664
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,839
Seven to five are consts out, you know, and I

665
00:30:07,839 --> 00:30:11,160
don't know what they were looking at. Most people thought

666
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:12,839
that that Oshaki won, but you're right, it was not

667
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:14,839
a very good fight. O. Shaki didn't help himself with

668
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,519
his lack of by his lack of let's call it

669
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:20,880
his activity level, let's say. And so that's how I

670
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:22,319
sort of looked at the fight that and I asked

671
00:30:22,359 --> 00:30:24,400
him about this. You heard in the interview about the

672
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:26,440
fact that you again, compy box is a guide. It's

673
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:28,200
not the end all be all, but sometimes it provides

674
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:31,559
a stark illustration of the way a fight is going.

675
00:30:31,799 --> 00:30:34,319
If you have Oshaki Foster in their fight and he's

676
00:30:34,359 --> 00:30:37,000
throwing only four hundred and change for the entire fight,

677
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:39,000
and out of that he's landing a little over one

678
00:30:39,079 --> 00:30:43,200
hundred punches, and you have consts Out, who's throwing you know,

679
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:46,359
more than seven hundred punches in the fight, but landing

680
00:30:46,799 --> 00:30:49,759
you know, twenty five or thirty less than Foster. The

681
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:52,000
judges are faced with the decision, and you know, it's

682
00:30:52,039 --> 00:30:54,920
what they're looking at, what their eyes catched. Either you're

683
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,640
scoring for the guy that's much more active throwing punches

684
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:00,000
but just not landing them, or the guy that's laying

685
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:03,680
actually a substantial amount more but way way fewer punches

686
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:08,039
being thrown. And I think that's where the where the fracture,

687
00:31:08,119 --> 00:31:10,319
let's say, in the scoring was, is that one judge

688
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:12,640
did it in my opinion, the right way, which is

689
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,599
score the punches landed, not the punch is thrown. If

690
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:17,559
you throw a million punches, then nothing lands.

691
00:31:17,599 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 3: Who cares effective aggressiveness right landing those shots anyway. But

692
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:25,839
the bigger the bigger thing is Foster, by his own admission,

693
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,039
has to has to be better at the end of

694
00:31:28,039 --> 00:31:29,960
the fight. He was not good in the final round

695
00:31:30,039 --> 00:31:32,680
of the fight. And if I'm not mistaken, Consasao clinched

696
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:34,759
it by winning the final round of the fight. So

697
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:38,720
that's just still yet another example. You cannot assume that

698
00:31:38,759 --> 00:31:41,079
you've won it by decision fight the twelfth round.

699
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 1: Dan, I don't think he assumed it. But the main

700
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:44,759
thing is you got to win the seven rounds. So

701
00:31:44,759 --> 00:31:47,039
if it's seven rounds, if you win rounds one through

702
00:31:47,079 --> 00:31:49,160
seven on the cards and you lose rounds, you know,

703
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:51,599
after that through the rest of the fight, you're still

704
00:31:51,599 --> 00:31:53,359
going to get not you just don't know the score.

705
00:31:53,599 --> 00:31:55,480
The reality is it was not a great fight. It

706
00:31:55,559 --> 00:31:59,799
was a controversial, controversial decision. The WBC, in my opinion,

707
00:31:59,799 --> 00:32:02,680
did the right thing by ordering the rematch. I don't

708
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:04,920
think that if they ordered if they hadn't ordered the rematch,

709
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,000
I'm pretty doubtful that he would have gotten the rematches.

710
00:32:07,039 --> 00:32:10,640
He pointed out on that podcast interview that folks just

711
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,200
listened to and so Top Ranks got both guys and

712
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:15,880
they did the fight again, and so hopefully it lives.

713
00:32:16,079 --> 00:32:18,960
It's a better uh entertainment value for those of us

714
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:21,799
who are watching, and that whatever happens, whether it's Consassa

715
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:23,960
or it's Foster, the guy that should get the win

716
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:26,000
gets it. And I always say in like a clean

717
00:32:26,039 --> 00:32:28,319
manner where there's not a lot of hooting and hollered

718
00:32:28,359 --> 00:32:30,839
after words about whether it's a controversy or it's this

719
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,079
or it's that. Uh, be the best man win.

720
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,759
Speaker 3: Like all that and again November two, next Saturday for

721
00:32:36,799 --> 00:32:40,519
that matchup between consass Sound now is the champ and Foster.

722
00:32:40,519 --> 00:32:42,480
Who's a great story. Let's even get his title back?

723
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:42,759
Speaker 1: All right?

724
00:32:42,839 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 3: Some news? Wait, wait a minute, wait, a minute, I

725
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:50,359
thought Tank Davis was fighting Lamont Roach December the fourteenth

726
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:53,599
in Houston, Texas. Ray Fields got on the rundown on

727
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:57,599
the lead, hold up, whoa Nelly? Hold up? That's a

728
00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:58,599
Texas phrase.

729
00:32:58,359 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 1: Woa Nelly your best Keith Jackson, Right.

730
00:33:01,319 --> 00:33:04,759
Speaker 3: Well, yes, what's going on here? Maybe not happening.

731
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 1: Well, let's clarify, you know. I put stuff on like

732
00:33:08,039 --> 00:33:10,880
my Twitter feed, and people they don't read the full words.

733
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:12,960
They're like that fights off, the fights No, no, no, no,

734
00:33:13,039 --> 00:33:16,680
the fight's not off. According to my sword, I spoke

735
00:33:16,759 --> 00:33:19,279
to three different people who would be involved in this event,

736
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:23,359
all right, and they all acknowledge that the December fourteenth date,

737
00:33:23,599 --> 00:33:26,880
while not dead, it still very well may happen on

738
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:30,920
December fourteenth. It's just not one hundred percent at this moment.

739
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,279
They one of the people said, it's about fifty to fifty.

740
00:33:33,559 --> 00:33:36,079
But again, it's not because there's some kind of issue

741
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:40,000
holding up Tank with his team or with PBC or

742
00:33:40,039 --> 00:33:42,839
with Roach, or some kind of controversy over the contract

743
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:46,079
or the money or whatever. That stuff apparently is all

744
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:49,279
dealt with and say and handle. There apparently is some

745
00:33:49,319 --> 00:33:52,160
sort of issue related to their venue that and I

746
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,039
don't know what that detail is. I'm pretty good, but

747
00:33:54,079 --> 00:33:56,640
I can't read people's minds and I don't know everything.

748
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:59,039
But there was some type of issue in terms of

749
00:33:59,079 --> 00:34:01,960
the venue, which the Toyota Center where they're supposed to

750
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:03,480
be doing it. And now remember it was what a

751
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:06,240
week or so plus ago that you had Tank and

752
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:10,360
Roach and more significantly PBC in their folks Leonard Llerb

753
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,800
as well, putting out the graphic with the picture and

754
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:16,639
announcing the fight, you know, putting up the matchup, putting

755
00:34:16,679 --> 00:34:19,599
up the location, you know, PBC on Prime all that

756
00:34:19,679 --> 00:34:22,440
you pay per view, and that was the deal. Now

757
00:34:23,119 --> 00:34:25,079
I had reported that the fight was made, which it

758
00:34:25,199 --> 00:34:28,960
was it is, and the date and the location. Now,

759
00:34:29,199 --> 00:34:31,159
one thing that you learn in my business is when

760
00:34:31,199 --> 00:34:33,199
they tweet that stuff and the fighters making because the

761
00:34:33,199 --> 00:34:35,119
fighters they love to make their own announcements. And then

762
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:37,719
usually what happens is they make that announcement and then

763
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,800
PBC puts it up and then either later that day,

764
00:34:41,159 --> 00:34:43,239
maybe sometimes the next day or a couple of days later,

765
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,280
they service like the full press release they announced like

766
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:48,159
when the news conference is going to be. They prepare

767
00:34:48,159 --> 00:34:51,519
all that business. And that hadn't happened. So when it

768
00:34:51,559 --> 00:34:54,440
got and I was under the impression from people involved

769
00:34:54,559 --> 00:34:57,079
that that announcement, in that press release and that scheduling

770
00:34:57,079 --> 00:34:59,159
of the news conference was going to take place this

771
00:34:59,199 --> 00:35:02,280
week when day or Thursday most likely. So it didn't

772
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:03,960
happen yesterday, I didn't think anything of it. And then

773
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,280
when it got to like today and I'm like, there's

774
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:09,360
still like nothing, you hear zero, it's chirp, chirp from

775
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:11,760
the from the crickets. I started to make a few

776
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:14,559
phone calls to my people, as they say, and where

777
00:35:14,599 --> 00:35:17,239
I found out the reason why it hasn't been announced

778
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:18,800
and there has been no press conference and there has

779
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,960
been no a formal press conference done, and not only

780
00:35:22,039 --> 00:35:23,719
a press conference, but because of the pay per view

781
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:25,760
nature of the fight, there was a good possibility they

782
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:27,920
were going to probably do more than one city on

783
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:32,239
this press conference, probably do Houston, where the fight's taking

784
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:34,000
place you want to sell tickets, but there was also

785
00:35:34,039 --> 00:35:36,280
a pretty good chance they might do New York, which

786
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:38,199
you always kick off things. And because both of the

787
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:41,639
fighters are from the Washington, DC area, Lamart Roach is

788
00:35:41,679 --> 00:35:44,000
from DC. Tank is from Baltimore, which is you know,

789
00:35:44,039 --> 00:35:46,280
an hour or less away. Plus he's got a huge

790
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,280
fan base in the district as well, that they might

791
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:51,639
do some type of activity in Washington as well in

792
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:54,039
promotion of the fight. Well, none of that has been announced.

793
00:35:54,079 --> 00:35:56,840
It's still not coming, and I come to find out

794
00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:58,960
the reason why because they're dealing with whatever hiccup is

795
00:35:58,960 --> 00:35:59,239
going on.

796
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:01,880
Speaker 3: So there's something there's such just clear there's something with

797
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:04,800
the arena and that date that is the herd of.

798
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 1: The arena and the date. Maybe again, I don't know

799
00:36:07,039 --> 00:36:09,119
the details. It could be something that they agreed to

800
00:36:09,159 --> 00:36:11,800
in the contract. It could be a million things. But

801
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:14,239
the reality is the fight supposedly is still going to

802
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:17,159
take place in If it doesn't take place on the fourteenth,

803
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:19,360
they may end up pushing it into the January of

804
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:21,159
next year, because you're saying they're not going to move

805
00:36:21,199 --> 00:36:23,800
the fight up earlier in the year because it's too

806
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:24,800
close to the date anyway.

807
00:36:25,079 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 3: But the reason I bring that up is you talked

808
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,960
about them trying to have it potentially in the Washington

809
00:36:30,039 --> 00:36:33,360
DC Capital Ie Arena if I have the sponsor name right,

810
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:37,440
the Downtown DC Arena, but they elected to not try

811
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,239
to make that happen. Around December twenty first the following week,

812
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:42,880
they elected instead to go the previous week, not be

813
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:46,519
on the same date as the USIK Fury rematch.

814
00:36:46,679 --> 00:36:46,840
Speaker 2: Well.

815
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 1: Also one thing, so now I just I.

816
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,800
Speaker 3: Wonder aloud, are they looking for another venue? Maybe on

817
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:54,000
the fourteenth? Also, I don't know that. I just wonder

818
00:36:54,039 --> 00:36:55,920
are they looking for the other venue? And then we'll

819
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:57,480
get the announcement of where that I.

820
00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:59,400
Speaker 1: Have not heard if they are okay, But I'll say

821
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:01,360
this one of the reasons why they didn't do the

822
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:05,199
fight in Washington, other than you know, the fact that

823
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:07,559
there's another pay per view on that date. Perhaps some

824
00:37:07,599 --> 00:37:09,599
people felt it was a little too close to Christmas

825
00:37:09,599 --> 00:37:12,599
to get the money from the consumer. But I think

826
00:37:12,679 --> 00:37:15,599
overriding all of that stuff is Tank Davis. For whatever reason,

827
00:37:15,639 --> 00:37:16,960
I have not talked to him about this, so I

828
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:19,159
don't know if the answer. Hopefully, if the fight happens

829
00:37:19,159 --> 00:37:21,079
and wherever it takes place, I'll ask him the question.

830
00:37:21,599 --> 00:37:23,840
He wanted to fight in Houston. He's got I don't know,

831
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:26,360
family there, he's got friends there. He's wanted to fight there. Okay,

832
00:37:26,599 --> 00:37:28,519
So when you're the star, you get to pick where

833
00:37:28,559 --> 00:37:30,320
you fight. So that was part of it. And if

834
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:32,000
they can't make it work. They didn't. They couldn't make

835
00:37:32,039 --> 00:37:34,239
it work. So you know, everybody needs to just sit tight.

836
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:37,159
I mean, it doesn't happen on the fourteenth, they'll probably

837
00:37:37,199 --> 00:37:39,360
end up happening, you know, in the first part of

838
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:41,760
next year. But that would also mean other things get

839
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:43,960
moved around. Maybe they end up moving back to you know,

840
00:37:44,039 --> 00:37:46,920
right now, it's been sort of penciled in David Benavidez

841
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,800
against David Morrell either January twenty fifth or that first

842
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:52,679
part of February. Now, if they decide the tank doesn't

843
00:37:52,679 --> 00:37:54,960
fight on December fourteenth and they move out of the January,

844
00:37:55,039 --> 00:37:57,559
that's a domino effect. Then it moves back Morell and

845
00:37:58,079 --> 00:37:59,760
Benavide's and you know, we'll have to wait and say so.

846
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,119
But then again, you know, in the next couple of days,

847
00:38:02,119 --> 00:38:03,880
maybe they get everything squared away and they're still a

848
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:05,440
fight on December fourteenth in Houston.

849
00:38:05,639 --> 00:38:09,880
Speaker 3: It's quiet for the moment. Okay, next news item, I

850
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,599
got to say that I was entertained with this Alexander

851
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:16,920
Usik Tyson Fury to kickoff presser Wednesday in London. From

852
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:22,920
the jump, when Usik shows up in the hit Man

853
00:38:23,119 --> 00:38:26,079
forty seven outfit. I even watched I don't know why,

854
00:38:26,199 --> 00:38:29,199
I watched Timothy Olafant in the hit Man movie, the

855
00:38:29,199 --> 00:38:31,880
original movie with the bald head, the black suit, the

856
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:35,039
red tie, the gloves and my man Usick's just a

857
00:38:35,039 --> 00:38:38,519
couple of few a week before Halloween shows up in

858
00:38:38,599 --> 00:38:41,199
the costume, and I love the part when he went

859
00:38:41,199 --> 00:38:44,239
over to Fury. It had him autograph the color photo.

860
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:48,199
You saw this Rayfael of Usik popping him and Fury

861
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:50,519
went along with it, all right, So it was a

862
00:38:50,519 --> 00:38:52,760
little it was interesting there with that. But what else?

863
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:56,079
What else from the kickoff press conference that was in London?

864
00:38:57,519 --> 00:39:00,199
Speaker 1: Well, and one thing, you know, Fury did actually show

865
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:03,320
some humility for a change, where he basically was like, look, Alexander,

866
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:05,039
he beat me on the night, and uh, I know

867
00:39:05,079 --> 00:39:06,280
what I have to do it in terms of make

868
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:08,440
some adjustments to win it back. And you know, he

869
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:09,880
did what a lot of fighters did. He said it

870
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:12,400
was this was you know fate, or this was in

871
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:14,960
God's hands or whatever the case may be, that you

872
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:17,760
know that stuff's gonna happen. It's like, you know, preordained.

873
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:21,000
I don't personally subscribe to that, uh situation, but that's

874
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:22,920
what he believed so be it. But the sad part

875
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:25,639
about it was, besides the entertainment, the actual formal press

876
00:39:25,639 --> 00:39:28,119
comms that I guess when he's when he met with

877
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:30,880
other members of the media, not necessarily for the cameras

878
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:34,440
and everything. He actually said that the night before he

879
00:39:34,559 --> 00:39:38,280
fought against Alexander Usik back in May, that his wife

880
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:41,000
Paris now they have seven children together, but she was

881
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:43,519
pregnant for the eighth time with the child, and that

882
00:39:43,599 --> 00:39:46,199
she was already six months along, not just like in

883
00:39:46,199 --> 00:39:47,840
the first you know, a few weeks or first month

884
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:52,239
or two, that she had miscarried, and he he she

885
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:54,719
wasn't present in Reac, she was back home with the

886
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:57,239
kids while he was taking care of business obviously in

887
00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:59,320
the fight, but that he said that he had some

888
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:01,199
sort of feeling that something was wrong when he talked

889
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:02,639
to her and he comes to find out that she

890
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:04,719
had miscarried, and as he made and you know, his

891
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,880
comments a paraphrase, basically like you know, at six months

892
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:10,159
when you miscarry, you miscarry, you have to give birth

893
00:40:10,199 --> 00:40:13,320
to like basically a deceased. Horrible, It's not just like

894
00:40:13,599 --> 00:40:15,519
when you're a couple of weeks and it's not a

895
00:40:15,639 --> 00:40:17,239
formed baby, you know what I mean.

896
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:19,559
Speaker 3: So let's just be real for a second. It's as

897
00:40:19,679 --> 00:40:23,159
still birth. You go through the birthing process and it's

898
00:40:23,199 --> 00:40:25,039
a horrible, horrible thing. Wow.

899
00:40:25,159 --> 00:40:26,760
Speaker 1: So I felt, I felt, you know, I felt real

900
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:28,840
terrible for for Feury. I mean, he's a human being.

901
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:30,920
He's got he's got several children. I mean he's a

902
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:33,920
doting father and all that. So you know, that's just

903
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:37,440
a terrible, terrible situation. I mean, he uh, you know,

904
00:40:37,519 --> 00:40:39,719
he said that he that he you know, as he said,

905
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:41,960
it wasn't like a small miscarriage like at the very beginning,

906
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:43,480
like you have to this is his quote, you have

907
00:40:43,519 --> 00:40:46,000
to physically give birth to a dead child on your

908
00:40:46,039 --> 00:40:48,239
own while your host is in a foreign country. Yeah,

909
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:51,400
so he's you know, he was you know, uh, I

910
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:53,079
think he was kind of beating himself up a little bit,

911
00:40:53,159 --> 00:40:55,280
maybe reflecting on that. You know, he couldn't be there

912
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:57,840
for his wife because he's there obviously in riad you know,

913
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:01,480
the night before this uh, this boxing event, so you

914
00:41:01,519 --> 00:41:03,920
know that, you know, he didn't make excuses. Frankly, he

915
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:05,639
didn't say like that was why he lost the fight,

916
00:41:05,679 --> 00:41:08,519
because he didn't even know Apparently the particulars until I

917
00:41:08,519 --> 00:41:09,360
guess after the fight.

918
00:41:09,599 --> 00:41:09,880
Speaker 2: Wow.

919
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:12,159
Speaker 1: But still, yeah, you got a feel for the anybody

920
00:41:12,199 --> 00:41:14,679
that's a human being or anybody especially that's a that's

921
00:41:14,679 --> 00:41:16,119
a parent. I mean, that's a rough way to go.

922
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:19,559
So hopefully they've dealt with that, and you know he

923
00:41:19,599 --> 00:41:21,760
can obviously he's got his business to attend to with

924
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:23,840
the boxing match. So but that was not the kind

925
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:25,360
of thing you typically hear. He didn't say it, like

926
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:27,800
I said, at the actual podium when they were doing

927
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:30,000
the formal press cards, but when he met with some

928
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:33,400
of the media and the TV crews backstage where they

929
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:36,360
got some of their material, that's when when that came

930
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:39,480
up in the conversation. So, you know, unfortunately for the

931
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:40,119
Fury family.

932
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:44,880
Speaker 3: Well, and remember in and around the rematch with Deontay

933
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:48,480
Wilder the second fight, they had the infant that was

934
00:41:48,559 --> 00:41:51,320
near death in the ICU that was going on. So

935
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:54,679
this is real life stuff here with the Fury family

936
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:59,400
and wow, wow on you sharing that with us on

937
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:01,880
that and uh, and again we're now within a couple

938
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:04,920
of months of this, you know, really getting ramped up

939
00:42:05,199 --> 00:42:08,719
and happening with the rematch for the Unified no longer

940
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:11,679
the undisputed heavyweight title, three of the belts for the

941
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:12,960
rematch in Saudi Arabia.

942
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:14,800
Speaker 1: But and TJ the lineal time.

943
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:16,880
Speaker 3: And the lineal title, and I just say something real

944
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:18,960
quick and then we're gonna move on. I love. I mean,

945
00:42:19,119 --> 00:42:22,360
Usik is refreshing with the humor, the costumes. Remember he

946
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:25,320
came to the wasn't at the first Fury fight. He

947
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:27,079
came as the Joker he was. He was dressed in

948
00:42:27,119 --> 00:42:30,199
the Joker outfit, uh for that one. So he's always

949
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:33,119
clever with some of this stuff. I like personality for

950
00:42:33,199 --> 00:42:33,639
these guys.

951
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:37,800
Speaker 1: Fury and Usik both have good personalities. Now, I don't

952
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:40,320
feel like everybody has sort of gotten the no Usick

953
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:43,119
in that manner just because there's a language barrier. He

954
00:42:43,159 --> 00:42:45,599
doesn't speak the greatest English. You know, obviously he's from Ukraine,

955
00:42:45,639 --> 00:42:48,239
so you know he's never gonna out talk a Tyson Fury.

956
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:50,960
But I've covered a number of his fights when he

957
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:53,639
far in the United States. I remember one year he

958
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:55,840
when he got the Fighter of the Year award at

959
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:58,480
the Boxing Writers Dinner. Uh, when he when he became

960
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:03,599
the undisputed cruiserweight champion. We were in I think we

961
00:43:03,599 --> 00:43:05,400
were in New York for a Luma Chanko fight. Who's

962
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:07,840
his guy? And that is the same weekend as the dinner.

963
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:09,480
I think I'm thinking of the right one. But in anything,

964
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:12,039
we were staying at the same hotel and I rode

965
00:43:12,039 --> 00:43:15,960
in the car. It was me, Usik's girlfriend or his wife,

966
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:18,280
I forget which it was at the time, his manager,

967
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:22,840
and the manager's girlfriend and the manager Egus Klemis, is translating,

968
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:24,320
and Usik and I are like talking to each other,

969
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:26,280
and he's making jokes the whole You know, we're stuck

970
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:29,679
in like New York City traffic, so what's like there

971
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:31,679
was no traffic, it's probably like a you know, three

972
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:34,119
or four minute car ride in traffic. We're probably stuck

973
00:43:34,119 --> 00:43:35,639
in the car twenty five minutes a half an hour

974
00:43:35,679 --> 00:43:37,519
getting to where we were going for the dinner. And so,

975
00:43:38,079 --> 00:43:40,000
you know, I'm not saying like you're becoming the guy's

976
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:41,920
best buddy, but you're really getting insight to the man's

977
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:44,480
personality when you spend thirty minutes in a New York

978
00:43:44,519 --> 00:43:46,920
City car like that, and the guy's telling jokes and

979
00:43:47,199 --> 00:43:50,360
recounting funny story so he is hilarious. Actually when he

980
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:52,320
wants to do that. Yes, you ever see like training

981
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:55,159
videos he does the crazy dancing, and he's got just

982
00:43:55,199 --> 00:43:58,880
a very wistful kind of personality and fury. Obviously, anybody

983
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:01,119
that's followed him for any measure time knows he's got

984
00:44:01,159 --> 00:44:02,159
a gigantic personality.

985
00:44:02,159 --> 00:44:05,119
Speaker 3: So came to the press conference for the Klitchkill fight

986
00:44:05,159 --> 00:44:08,360
and the Batmobile as Batman. If I recall speak.

987
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:12,400
Speaker 1: So he can be outlandish and and and and should

988
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:14,440
talk and aggravate people also, but when he wants to

989
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:16,599
be in a in a good playful mood, theory can

990
00:44:16,639 --> 00:44:19,280
do that also. And they they didn't quite do that

991
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:21,360
to the level. But yes, the signing of the picture

992
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:23,719
and with the costume, I mean there was you know,

993
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:26,039
you gotta I always look like this if you're if

994
00:44:26,079 --> 00:44:27,719
you're the guy that's in the press cards and it's

995
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:31,400
your thing, you know, that's what you gotta You gotta a,

996
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:33,000
you gotta sell it and you should have fun. Right,

997
00:44:33,039 --> 00:44:35,400
that's the time in the spotlight. You know, the fight

998
00:44:35,519 --> 00:44:37,320
is the hard work. You know, the training camp is

999
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:39,000
the hard work. This is the time to enjoy and

1000
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:42,199
promote it and and show your personality. Talk to the fans,

1001
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:44,519
talk to the press, and get your point across and

1002
00:44:44,559 --> 00:44:45,079
sell your fight.

1003
00:44:46,039 --> 00:44:49,320
Speaker 3: Moving on with the news, we have a retirement announcement

1004
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:53,960
as Sanisa super bad Estrata, the undisputed women's Strawway champion,

1005
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:57,159
announced her retirement earlier this week at the age of

1006
00:44:57,199 --> 00:45:00,440
thirty two. She's also been doing some commentary work as

1007
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:04,599
well for ESPN and Top Rank Boxing. So did that

1008
00:45:04,639 --> 00:45:06,719
catch you a little off guard? Did you been hearing that?

1009
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:08,079
I mean, it's easy to say after the fact I've

1010
00:45:08,119 --> 00:45:10,800
been hearing that, But I think some people were maybe

1011
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:13,679
a bit surprised to see that because she's undisputed and

1012
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:16,039
maybe was gonna fight another time or two. But there

1013
00:45:16,079 --> 00:45:16,320
you go.

1014
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:20,280
Speaker 1: I was a little surprised, not totally shocked, because I

1015
00:45:20,639 --> 00:45:22,159
heard you know, she's been dealing with a lot of

1016
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:28,239
nagging injuries, and you know, she she she couldn't get that.

1017
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:30,480
She was thinking like maybe the big fight for her,

1018
00:45:30,559 --> 00:45:32,679
if she was going to continue, would have been to

1019
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:35,239
have a rematch against marlin A Sparza, which would have

1020
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:37,039
been a big deal. She had gone up to flyweight

1021
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:40,639
and fought her up there, but as Sparsa lost in

1022
00:45:41,199 --> 00:45:44,119
a title fight where she lost the UH the UH

1023
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:47,320
to Atlanta is in a unified title fight, so that

1024
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:49,519
that big fight went down the drain, which would have

1025
00:45:49,519 --> 00:45:51,639
been a big fight for her, and there was really

1026
00:45:51,639 --> 00:45:53,960
nothing else out there that really was motivating there. Plus,

1027
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:56,000
like I said, the injuries, she's given twenty three years

1028
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:57,719
of her life to it. You know, she just got

1029
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:00,000
married over the summer. She married our good palate Chris Manner.

1030
00:46:00,559 --> 00:46:05,679
So they're newly about that, so you know, they they

1031
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:07,960
have other plans perhaps, I mean, I mean, I'm not

1032
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:09,760
I don't want to put words in Chris's mouth, but

1033
00:46:10,159 --> 00:46:12,440
not that we had like deep conversations about this. But

1034
00:46:12,519 --> 00:46:14,119
I don't think he loved the fact that she was

1035
00:46:14,119 --> 00:46:15,800
still fighting, you know what I mean. He knows he's

1036
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:17,840
been around boxing a long time as a reporter. He

1037
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:20,760
knows what kind of toll that it takes. So anyway,

1038
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:22,760
the bottom line is, you added all together, she had

1039
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:25,480
accomplished her goal, which is the first and foremost she'd

1040
00:46:25,519 --> 00:46:27,880
been dreaming and talking about being undisputed for a long time.

1041
00:46:28,079 --> 00:46:29,800
She did win titles in two weight classes. She was

1042
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:31,599
also a champion in the one hundred and eight pound

1043
00:46:31,599 --> 00:46:34,920
weight class before she dropped down to strawweight, and she

1044
00:46:35,039 --> 00:46:37,320
ended up in twenty twenty two, she had signed with

1045
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:39,159
Top Rank and they put her on the path to

1046
00:46:39,159 --> 00:46:41,360
get to the undisputed fight. And she's coming off of

1047
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:44,400
her biggest and best fight where she in March of

1048
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:47,360
this year, she had two of the titles. She outpointed

1049
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:50,199
You'll Costa Vaye one of the top female boxers in

1050
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:52,760
the world, and won the two titles that Vaya had

1051
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:56,280
became undisputed. And now you're looking around, You're like, Okay,

1052
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:59,400
I don't have a big fight. R My one obvious

1053
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:01,840
opponent just lost and that kind of goes down the drain.

1054
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:04,760
I just got married. Maybe I'm thinking about starting a family.

1055
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:06,920
I got all these injuries. I've been doing this twenty

1056
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:09,159
three years. I have other things I may be able

1057
00:47:09,159 --> 00:47:11,480
to do, whether it's commentary or other things, you know,

1058
00:47:11,559 --> 00:47:14,159
just in your life, and I don't. I don't have

1059
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:17,199
that motivation. And if you don't have the motivation in anything,

1060
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:18,840
it's not a good idea to do it, right. But

1061
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:21,719
especially if it's a physical, tolling, taxing event like a

1062
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:24,320
boxing match. Not to mention the fight itself, I don't

1063
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:25,880
even think it's so much the fight. It's really the

1064
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:28,920
training and then of course the preparation both physical and mental.

1065
00:47:29,039 --> 00:47:31,119
So you know, at the end of the day she retires,

1066
00:47:31,119 --> 00:47:33,360
she's only thirty two years old, so she's hopefully got

1067
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:35,840
a long, fruitful and productive life ahead of her. She

1068
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:38,599
finishes up her career if she is indeed retired for good.

1069
00:47:39,039 --> 00:47:41,079
And there's always the caveat no matter who you are,

1070
00:47:41,119 --> 00:47:43,400
if you retire in boxing, there's a chance you may

1071
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:46,000
unretire at some point. But if she stays retired, she

1072
00:47:46,119 --> 00:47:49,400
is twenty six and oho with nine knockouts, a rare

1073
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:53,199
boxer to retire as an undefeated champion. And I would

1074
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:55,880
say if she stays retired, in three years, when the

1075
00:47:56,079 --> 00:47:58,239
Hall of Fame ballots come out, she'll be on that ballot,

1076
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:02,800
and she would deserve it anyway. But given the lightness,

1077
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:05,639
let's say, of the category right now, in terms of

1078
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:08,880
bona fide candidates to be elected, I would have no

1079
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:10,679
doubt in my mind that she would be elected on

1080
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:12,599
the first ballot if you put her on the ballot

1081
00:48:12,599 --> 00:48:14,960
with the women that are on there currently that the

1082
00:48:15,039 --> 00:48:17,880
voting process for the coming election cycle is happening as

1083
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:20,480
we speak. The ballots are due back by October thirty.

1084
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:22,360
First matter of fact, I just mailed my ballot back

1085
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:26,360
yesterday on Wednesday of this week. She'll be in the

1086
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:29,639
Hall of Fame someday. So she beat the top smaller

1087
00:48:29,639 --> 00:48:32,760
weight women of her time and made a fun style,

1088
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:34,719
had a big personality, and you know, I say good

1089
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:36,800
luck to her. She was a credit to the sport.

1090
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:40,199
Speaker 3: And I enjoy again. You know, I'm a broadcaster and

1091
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:42,800
I enjoy good broadcasting. Whatever. She and Christina pont Are

1092
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:45,920
do an excellent job on calling the fights. Shout out

1093
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:46,960
to them on.

1094
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:50,039
Speaker 1: They do the international of the Proact. But something we

1095
00:48:50,119 --> 00:48:51,400
don't hear here in the States.

1096
00:48:51,119 --> 00:48:53,800
Speaker 3: Well, but sometimes we hear them on ESPN Plus on

1097
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:54,760
different things.

1098
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:56,880
Speaker 1: And I heard occasionally on the undercards.

1099
00:48:56,480 --> 00:49:00,159
Speaker 3: Yeah with Christina Poncher and shout out to them. And

1100
00:49:00,199 --> 00:49:03,039
you're right, sometimes there are other priorities once you've done

1101
00:49:03,079 --> 00:49:05,079
the boxing thing. I still remember the feature.

1102
00:49:05,199 --> 00:49:07,280
Speaker 1: Oh so, by the way, she had already beaten Marlin

1103
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:09,440
Asparza in the first fight with a little controversy, but

1104
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:11,280
once she lost, there was never going to be around.

1105
00:49:11,599 --> 00:49:14,039
Speaker 3: I loved on the feature that I saw before her

1106
00:49:14,119 --> 00:49:16,840
last fight here that turns out to maybe be her

1107
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:19,280
last fight ever. That when she came into the gym

1108
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:21,840
as a nine year old. The boxing coach said, get

1109
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:25,159
out of here, go away. You don't need to be

1110
00:49:25,199 --> 00:49:27,559
in here. This is not a little girl's world or whatever.

1111
00:49:27,599 --> 00:49:29,400
And she was mad and she was crying, and then

1112
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:31,719
she came back, and then I think he even kicked

1113
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:34,599
her out again just to see, this is a nine

1114
00:49:34,679 --> 00:49:36,679
year old, you don't need to be in here. And

1115
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:39,559
she just kept coming back and wanted to learn how

1116
00:49:39,599 --> 00:49:42,760
to fight. And like you said, it's been twenty three

1117
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:45,400
years of doing that, you're ready to do something else.

1118
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:47,559
I can't blame that. I understand that you're married, you

1119
00:49:47,599 --> 00:49:48,639
got other goals. I love it.

1120
00:49:48,639 --> 00:49:50,320
Speaker 1: The only thing I say about that is she finally

1121
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:52,239
got to a point where she's undisputed. And again, if

1122
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:54,960
she's not motivated, you know fine, I'm not ask her decision.

1123
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:57,079
The reason why it would become as a surprise to

1124
00:49:57,119 --> 00:49:58,679
a lot of people is because she's at a point

1125
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:02,039
now where while she's not making like millions of dollars

1126
00:50:02,079 --> 00:50:06,119
for her fights for women's boxing, she's making like half

1127
00:50:06,159 --> 00:50:06,800
a million.

1128
00:50:06,559 --> 00:50:07,840
Speaker 3: Dollars significant money.

1129
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:10,280
Speaker 1: She's making really good money. I mean, yeah, she could

1130
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:13,599
fight twice a year and make probably over a million dollars.

1131
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:15,960
Speaker 3: But you answered it yourself. If the heart right here,

1132
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:18,599
I'm pointing at my chest. If this is it anymore

1133
00:50:18,679 --> 00:50:20,440
and you want to do other things, then you don't

1134
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:22,199
need to be in the ring either trying to throw

1135
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:24,199
punches or get hit with punches. I would agree with

1136
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:26,880
you on that. Absolutely, We agree on that a couple

1137
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:30,119
more things. Okay, So Thursday night, US time, while we're

1138
00:50:30,119 --> 00:50:33,840
doing this podcast, they are making it official that Naoia

1139
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:34,199
no they.

1140
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:35,239
Speaker 1: They did it Wednesday night.

1141
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:37,840
Speaker 3: Well they did it Wednesday night, I'm sorry, which was

1142
00:50:39,079 --> 00:50:43,079
earlier on Wednesday US time, that the Monster Naoia in

1143
00:50:43,159 --> 00:50:45,760
a way will now fight Sam Goodman, something you've been

1144
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:49,559
talking about, and it will be Christmas Eve in Tokyo.

1145
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:52,360
So tell me more about all of which this was

1146
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:57,199
expected right against Sam Goodman as the as the next bout,

1147
00:50:57,199 --> 00:50:57,800
so go ahead.

1148
00:50:58,000 --> 00:50:59,840
Speaker 1: So they have the press cards. In a way, Inness

1149
00:51:00,199 --> 00:51:02,480
was there. Goodman was there on a big screen. You know,

1150
00:51:02,559 --> 00:51:05,199
he's from Australia. He had been in the ring with

1151
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:07,079
in a way after one of his I forget which fight.

1152
00:51:07,119 --> 00:51:08,719
It was either the last fight or two fights ago.

1153
00:51:09,159 --> 00:51:11,480
Like knowing this fight was gonna is gonna probably take

1154
00:51:11,519 --> 00:51:16,280
place clearly the protests from Team mj acmadalia of as

1155
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:19,880
the WBA mandatory they believe he is next. Obviously that

1156
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:22,480
nothing's there is gonna happen. Seems to me the WBA

1157
00:51:22,599 --> 00:51:24,000
is not going to do anything about it. They'll maybe

1158
00:51:24,079 --> 00:51:27,400
have to force the acmcdalia of camp to sue them

1159
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:29,159
if they desire to. I'm not sure they want to

1160
00:51:29,199 --> 00:51:31,480
get involved with that. In the podcast that I did,

1161
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:33,159
the interview with Bob Aarin that folks can listen to

1162
00:51:33,199 --> 00:51:36,000
a couple of shows back we spoke about it. Bob's

1163
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:38,119
perspective was instead of trying to sue us, they should

1164
00:51:38,119 --> 00:51:40,239
be trying to talk to us and negotiating a fight

1165
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:41,880
for April when they plan to bring in a way

1166
00:51:42,119 --> 00:51:45,320
to the United States a fight in Las Vegas. But

1167
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:47,280
first he's got to deal with Sam Goodman. Sam Goodman,

1168
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:50,079
while not a superstar fighter, he's got some credentials. He

1169
00:51:50,159 --> 00:51:52,840
is nineteen and zero with eight knockouts. Like I said,

1170
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:54,760
he's from Australia. You know, he's a younger fighter's only

1171
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:57,840
twenty six years old. He has two wins on his

1172
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:00,199
record that stand out a little bit, and that in

1173
00:52:00,199 --> 00:52:02,880
twenty twenty three he has a ten round decision victory

1174
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:05,960
against TJ. Dohaneyho was a former title holder fighter that

1175
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:08,239
Jah in a way knocked out in his most recent fight,

1176
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:11,199
so they have that common opponent his fight after that

1177
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:13,719
later in twenty twenty three. He fought four times in

1178
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:15,760
twenty twenty three, but the second of his two of

1179
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:19,960
his four fights in twenty twenty three was in Australia

1180
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:22,360
on one of the undercards when I believe it was

1181
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:25,719
when Cambosis and Haney had one of their fights. He

1182
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:28,840
scored a very solid victory. It was a split decision,

1183
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:30,320
but I mean I felt like he was clearly the

1184
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:33,480
winner anyway, thought the undefeated ra east Alim who was

1185
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:35,239
you know, as I take it back, it was the

1186
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:39,239
Tim zu Ocampo undercard in Australia. In any event, that

1187
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:42,599
was an IBF title eliminator. And also, not only is

1188
00:52:42,639 --> 00:52:45,360
Goodman the number one and mandatory in the IVF, he's

1189
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:47,679
also the mandatory in the WBO. So this actually will

1190
00:52:47,679 --> 00:52:51,239
satisfy two of the four mandatories in one fight, and

1191
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:53,719
in a way he's already done as WBC mandatory. A

1192
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:55,719
couple of fights to go against Luis Near which was

1193
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:59,239
the huge fight that had in the Tokyo Dome. So

1194
00:53:00,559 --> 00:53:04,400
since Tho's victories against Ohanian and Easalin, he also beat

1195
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:06,719
Miguel Flores and then he's had a couple of maybe

1196
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:09,280
a little bit lesser type fights that have been over

1197
00:53:09,599 --> 00:53:12,400
also in Australia and stayed busy waiting for this title shot.

1198
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:14,519
Now he's got it and he's got to go face

1199
00:53:14,559 --> 00:53:16,199
the monster. And I don't care if you're Sam Goodman

1200
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:18,480
or you know, whoever you are. Anybody in those weight

1201
00:53:18,519 --> 00:53:21,199
classes one hundred eighteen, one hundred and twenty two, even

1202
00:53:21,199 --> 00:53:23,159
one hundred and twenty six is going to have their

1203
00:53:23,159 --> 00:53:25,440
hands fall. Probably with Annoya in Away. He's one of

1204
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:27,960
the best, if not the best fighter in boxing. They

1205
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:30,480
made that official. But the key here is the plan

1206
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:34,559
is fight Goodman fights from Australia, fight that fight on

1207
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:38,480
Christmas Eve in Tokyo. Then if everything goes well, coming

1208
00:53:38,519 --> 00:53:40,960
to the United States for a fight in April, and

1209
00:53:41,039 --> 00:53:43,360
again if everything goes well, then now you go back

1210
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:45,719
to Japan in the back end of the year, maybe

1211
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:48,199
the late summer or the fall, and the plan if

1212
00:53:48,199 --> 00:53:50,000
they can square away the venue and get all that

1213
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:52,039
stuff done because it's hard to get a date at

1214
00:53:52,039 --> 00:53:54,079
the Tokyo Dome. But they want to go there and

1215
00:53:54,119 --> 00:53:56,000
they want to do the Mega Showdown, which will be,

1216
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:58,280
according to Bob Aram and I can't argue with them,

1217
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:00,960
based on my knowledge of Japanese boxing history, maybe the

1218
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:02,920
biggest fight in the history of Japan in terms of

1219
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:05,719
an all Japanese fight, and that would be in a

1220
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:10,239
way against Janto Nakatani, who would move up to challenge

1221
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:12,360
him for the title. And if in Awe were to

1222
00:54:12,599 --> 00:54:14,719
if that plan were to unfold as I just mentioned

1223
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:16,960
and in a way was successful and won that fight,

1224
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:19,679
at that point, I think you'd obviously see in a way,

1225
00:54:20,119 --> 00:54:22,320
Uh move up probably to the featherweight division, which will

1226
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:25,119
open up a whole new yep of possible opponents for

1227
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:28,000
you know, for next year or for you know, twenty

1228
00:54:28,079 --> 00:54:31,039
twenty six, let's say so again, there's a lot to

1229
00:54:31,079 --> 00:54:33,039
go on between now and then. But first steps. First,

1230
00:54:33,039 --> 00:54:34,840
you got to take care of Sam Goodman, who is

1231
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:36,679
going to be highly motivated for this fight. Because if

1232
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:38,239
you can go and win against Ay in a way,

1233
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:41,320
you have made your career for sure. So that's the plan.

1234
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:43,760
And by the way, they didn't announce the opponent yet,

1235
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:45,880
but the co feature when in a Way fights will

1236
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:50,199
be the very interesting and entertaining Yoshiki Takai, who will

1237
00:54:50,199 --> 00:54:53,880
defend the w BO bantamway title. He has been fighting regularly.

1238
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:57,320
He's only ten to zero. I think of his ten fights,

1239
00:54:57,360 --> 00:54:58,800
like five or six of them have been an in

1240
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:02,480
a way undercards, so uh, this is not an unfamiliar

1241
00:55:02,519 --> 00:55:04,880
position for him to be on in a way undercards.

1242
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:06,320
So they don't have an opponent yet, but that's the

1243
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:07,760
other title fight on the card.

1244
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:11,320
Speaker 3: And interesting again with the time difference US and Tokyo.

1245
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:14,559
So that is Christmas Eve morning in the United States,

1246
00:55:14,599 --> 00:55:16,440
which is a Tuesday by the way, Ray Phil, I'm

1247
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:20,039
just letting everybody knows, like Wednesday this year. So that's

1248
00:55:20,079 --> 00:55:21,599
and they do fight a lot on Monday night and

1249
00:55:21,599 --> 00:55:22,719
Tuesday night in Japan.

1250
00:55:23,039 --> 00:55:25,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, on ESPN Plus. If you're living in the United States,

1251
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:26,800
like if you're on the East coast ryam the fights

1252
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:28,800
well and where you are you're talking about the card

1253
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:31,079
will probably be like around four in the morning or

1254
00:55:31,159 --> 00:55:32,960
three in the morning. Main event probably like you're on

1255
00:55:33,079 --> 00:55:33,519
six or.

1256
00:55:33,519 --> 00:55:36,039
Speaker 3: Some mony a time to go battle for the last

1257
00:55:36,079 --> 00:55:40,719
second gifts and the and the brawls and the different stores.

1258
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:41,840
Speaker 1: And if you're on you know, and then obviously it's

1259
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:43,559
it's it's middle of the night if you're in like

1260
00:55:43,599 --> 00:55:44,719
California on the West coast.

1261
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:44,880
Speaker 4: Run.

1262
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:47,079
Speaker 1: But you know, we you know how much we love

1263
00:55:47,079 --> 00:55:48,239
those Japanese cards.

1264
00:55:48,039 --> 00:55:51,599
Speaker 3: And breakfast and Japanese boxing in the US. We love it.

1265
00:55:51,639 --> 00:55:52,559
Speaker 1: What's better than that?

1266
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:55,239
Speaker 3: All right? We like that one more news item than

1267
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:59,119
some Evander Holyfield world title nostalgia. To wrap it up,

1268
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:03,760
and this is WBO saying that they granted an extension

1269
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:12,559
for Janebec and hams As Sharaz for a unified middleweight supremacy. Here,

1270
00:56:12,639 --> 00:56:14,960
I'm intrigued by this. Fine, what's the latest and what's

1271
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:17,679
the new deadline here where they're trying to make this

1272
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:19,559
or it could be a purse bid? What's up?

1273
00:56:19,639 --> 00:56:19,800
Speaker 4: Well?

1274
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:21,880
Speaker 1: I mean, when Janebec went to Australia and he retained

1275
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:24,639
the title against Macalivich, there was that whole big to

1276
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:27,000
do between his team and the WBO about how he

1277
00:56:27,039 --> 00:56:29,360
hadn't followed the rules and he might get stripped and

1278
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:31,719
it weren't you know, it wasn't technically for the WBO

1279
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:33,840
title and all that, and then they gave him like

1280
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:36,599
the show cause why shouldn't we strip you. They decided

1281
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:38,440
that they would allow him to keep the title because

1282
00:56:38,519 --> 00:56:40,800
Top Rank was his promoter. Made the point in the

1283
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:43,480
case of the WBO that all that business was because

1284
00:56:43,519 --> 00:56:46,280
it was being run by the Mcalavich team, which had

1285
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:48,639
won the purse bid. So just because the WBO rules

1286
00:56:48,639 --> 00:56:51,239
were not followed, that was really their thing, not our thing.

1287
00:56:51,599 --> 00:56:55,119
We were not in control of the event whatever. So

1288
00:56:55,159 --> 00:56:57,280
basically the WBO said, okay, fine, you want to keep

1289
00:56:57,280 --> 00:56:59,159
your title, and then they shoved them mandatory down the

1290
00:56:59,159 --> 00:57:01,719
stroad against us. You know who was about the toughest

1291
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:02,760
fighter you could fight in the middle one.

1292
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:05,000
Speaker 3: Well, like, we keep saying, that's a compelling.

1293
00:57:04,599 --> 00:57:07,719
Speaker 1: Fight, absolutely, so we went out on that.

1294
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:08,519
Speaker 3: We get that.

1295
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:11,159
Speaker 1: We like, yeah, for sure. So they gave them, you know,

1296
00:57:11,239 --> 00:57:14,599
the traditional length of time I think it was until like, uh,

1297
00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:17,320
you know, this week at some point to make their

1298
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:20,960
deal or they would schedule a perspit and so Queensberry,

1299
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:23,079
which is the promoter for Sharaz and Top Rank, which

1300
00:57:23,079 --> 00:57:26,199
obviously is a promoter for Jenebec. They they petitioned the

1301
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:29,519
WBO to give them an extension on the negotiating period,

1302
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:32,440
and the WBO said okay, And so they extended the

1303
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:36,599
deadline for the deal before they would order our schedule

1304
00:57:36,599 --> 00:57:38,639
a perspit. So now the new date for them to

1305
00:57:38,639 --> 00:57:40,440
make a deal by is November fourth. Now, a lot

1306
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:43,639
of times when promoters go to a sanction body and say, hey, listen,

1307
00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:45,599
could you give us another week or ten days or

1308
00:57:45,639 --> 00:57:47,199
whatever they ask for, usually it's seen a week or

1309
00:57:47,239 --> 00:57:51,559
two or ten days. It's typically because they'll tell the organization, look,

1310
00:57:51,599 --> 00:57:53,400
we're really close. We just need a few more days

1311
00:57:53,519 --> 00:57:55,360
to get our ducks in a row and to take

1312
00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:57,559
care of the business. That's not the case in this

1313
00:57:57,639 --> 00:58:00,239
time and in this particular case. So my understand is

1314
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:02,320
it's not that they're unwilling or not interested to make

1315
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:03,639
a deal. They're not going to sit and try to

1316
00:58:03,679 --> 00:58:05,280
talk about it and see what they can do. Is

1317
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:08,079
that because everybody from both sides has been so busy

1318
00:58:08,079 --> 00:58:11,000
with other stuff, they literally just hadn't gotten to it yet.

1319
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:14,079
So without you know, having gotten to it, they didn't

1320
00:58:14,119 --> 00:58:16,239
want to go into a person before they've even had

1321
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:19,239
any real dialogue about what kind of deal points they

1322
00:58:19,239 --> 00:58:21,480
want to discuss. So because of that, they've asked for

1323
00:58:21,519 --> 00:58:24,880
this extra time, and so hopefully sometime, you know, between

1324
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:28,159
now and November fourth, they'll find time to get together

1325
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:30,880
the two teams and have a conversation about what their

1326
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:33,719
expectations are, what kind of financial things are we talking about,

1327
00:58:33,719 --> 00:58:36,360
what date, where, blah blah blah. Presumably would be some

1328
00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:40,440
type of read Season card. Given Shiraz's as filiation and

1329
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:42,800
the fact that he is a fighter that turkeyols Chik

1330
00:58:43,119 --> 00:58:46,679
personally appointed to be like quote unquote Read Season ambassador,

1331
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:49,239
it is an excellent matchup. I mean, we talked many, many,

1332
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:53,440
many times to EJ about how pretty poor the middleweight

1333
00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:54,360
division is right now.

1334
00:58:54,599 --> 00:58:59,039
Speaker 3: But if you can make a fast devoid thank you, yes,

1335
00:58:59,159 --> 00:59:02,760
of quality, can we have good things? Can we again fight?

1336
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:03,119
Speaker 1: Happen?

1337
00:59:03,199 --> 00:59:04,039
Speaker 3: We want this fight.

1338
00:59:05,119 --> 00:59:07,800
Speaker 1: If you look at the landscape of the middleweight division currently,

1339
00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:11,000
Jannebec I think, you know, in a weak division, has

1340
00:59:11,039 --> 00:59:13,679
proven himself at this point just based on longevity, if

1341
00:59:13,679 --> 00:59:15,800
you will, in the manner which he's knocking guys out,

1342
00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:18,719
that he's probably the best guy in the middleweight division

1343
00:59:18,719 --> 00:59:20,280
at the moment who at least has a title. He's

1344
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:23,719
got two of them, and the number one rising contender

1345
00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:26,480
most interesting fighter also, undefeed had been exciting been in

1346
00:59:26,559 --> 00:59:29,800
some you know, some solid fights. Just looked great against

1347
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:33,480
Tyler Denny winning the European title on the Joshua Dania

1348
00:59:33,519 --> 00:59:38,360
Duois undercart. Anyway, Shira's challenging jennebec is an excellent matchup,

1349
00:59:38,360 --> 00:59:40,880
and I hope that they can Queensberry and top Rank

1350
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:43,360
and get together and actually make this fight because it's

1351
00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:44,840
not the biggest fight of all time, but in the

1352
00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:46,840
middlewaight division, it's like the one thing you're like, yeah, okay,

1353
00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:49,320
I'm good with that. Let's see that. So hopefully they'll make.

1354
00:59:49,239 --> 00:59:53,119
Speaker 3: It like that. All right, one piece of business remains,

1355
00:59:53,159 --> 00:59:55,800
and that is nostalgia. And it was thirty four years

1356
00:59:55,800 --> 00:59:59,559
ago as we released the podcast. On Friday, October twenty five,

1357
00:59:59,719 --> 01:00:04,239
Night ninety the Real Deal, Evander Holyfield became the undisputed

1358
01:00:04,239 --> 01:00:09,519
heavyweight champion with one booming punch Big Dan over James

1359
01:00:09,519 --> 01:00:15,239
Buster Douglas, thus ending basically the seven or eight month

1360
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:17,800
joy ride that Buster had been on. And he took

1361
01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:21,840
the joy ride way too literally without training nearly enough.

1362
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:26,760
You know, we've talked about this before, but the circumstances

1363
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:30,039
of this fight have always fascinated me because you had

1364
01:00:30,159 --> 01:00:33,320
lawsuits involved for Buster Douglas trying to get away from

1365
01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:37,679
Don King. It was basically compromise, agreed to, Okay, there's

1366
01:00:37,719 --> 01:00:40,800
gonna be this fight. We're gonna allow you to have

1367
01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:43,760
this fight Buster Douglas with holy Field and make mega

1368
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:47,679
money and then supposedly, allegedly, Mike Tyson's gonna get to

1369
01:00:47,679 --> 01:00:50,440
fight Buster Douglas in the rematch or get to fight

1370
01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:54,239
Evander Holyfield, which didn't happen for forever. But a funny

1371
01:00:54,239 --> 01:00:56,320
thing happened on the way to Buster Douglas having a

1372
01:00:56,360 --> 01:00:59,480
long heavyweight title reign. It was over. It was over

1373
01:00:59,559 --> 01:01:02,000
in fact eight months.

1374
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:04,639
Speaker 1: What was supposed to happen is Tyson was going to

1375
01:01:04,639 --> 01:01:07,039
Tokyo to pick up a quick like six million dollar

1376
01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:10,639
paycheck to knock out, you know, another stiff and Buster

1377
01:01:10,679 --> 01:01:12,440
Douglas not a stiff, but a guy that had no

1378
01:01:12,559 --> 01:01:14,800
chance against him in the minds of most people. He

1379
01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:19,039
had also gone to Japan previously and destroyed Tony Tubbs. Uh,

1380
01:01:19,079 --> 01:01:21,000
you know, and like what two rounds or whatever it was,

1381
01:01:21,400 --> 01:01:25,000
and uh, the Busser Douglas fight became like the ultimate pothole,

1382
01:01:25,039 --> 01:01:26,960
if you will like to tune up, you know, became

1383
01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:29,400
an ultimate disaster. And became the biggest upset in boxing.

1384
01:01:29,599 --> 01:01:32,400
So Evander Holyfield and Tyson, they had been fans had

1385
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:34,599
been clamoring for that fight ever since the Vander had

1386
01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:37,400
come from Cruiser way into the heavyweight division. That was

1387
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:39,639
the mega, mega mega fight. Obviously, as you mentioned, it

1388
01:01:39,639 --> 01:01:42,039
didn't happen, you know, until several years later, you know,

1389
01:01:42,119 --> 01:01:46,760
under many different circumstances. Uh. But when Buster knocked out Tyson,

1390
01:01:46,840 --> 01:01:49,920
that wrecked the prospect of the mega fight between Tyson

1391
01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:53,119
and Holyfield. But what it meant was that Buster Douglas

1392
01:01:53,880 --> 01:01:57,400
inherited Evander Holyfield as a mandatory challenger, which as as

1393
01:01:57,480 --> 01:02:01,000
much as the public wanted Tyson and Holyfill, you know,

1394
01:02:01,079 --> 01:02:02,960
it also was a mandatory. It was one of the

1395
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:05,119
times where the mandatory was also the fight everybody wanted

1396
01:02:05,119 --> 01:02:06,880
to see. A lot of times in today's game that

1397
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:08,639
does happen, but we also see a lot of times

1398
01:02:08,639 --> 01:02:12,000
where a mandatory is made and it's absolutely horrible. But

1399
01:02:12,119 --> 01:02:14,239
in this case, that wasn't the case. It was a

1400
01:02:14,280 --> 01:02:16,519
fight everybody wanted and it didn't happen. So now Buster

1401
01:02:16,679 --> 01:02:19,360
is going to defend the title against Vander Holyfield. Then Evander,

1402
01:02:19,559 --> 01:02:21,039
he would have loved the Tyson fight, but he said

1403
01:02:21,039 --> 01:02:22,800
many times, you know, I wanted to fight Mike Tyson,

1404
01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:24,599
but I really wanted to be heavyweight champ. That was

1405
01:02:24,599 --> 01:02:27,559
the bottom line. So in the end it was on

1406
01:02:27,800 --> 01:02:30,079
Set pay per view, which was the former name of

1407
01:02:30,119 --> 01:02:33,400
Showtime pay per view. And people in today's time of

1408
01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:37,239
boxing don't quite grasp this, but the casinos also served

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01:02:37,239 --> 01:02:40,519
as promoters. They were licensed, so sometimes, you know, Caesar's

1410
01:02:40,559 --> 01:02:43,840
Palace was the promoter. In this particular case, this fight

1411
01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:46,559
went to a pursepit, you know, and it's unusual for

1412
01:02:46,599 --> 01:02:49,920
a heavyweight title fight of this caliber with those names,

1413
01:02:49,960 --> 01:02:52,039
and Buster coming off what he did with Tyson, which

1414
01:02:52,079 --> 01:02:54,039
was the biggest thing in the world, and Holy filed

1415
01:02:54,079 --> 01:02:57,400
the number one contender, not just because some organizations said so,

1416
01:02:57,480 --> 01:02:59,440
but based on what he had been doing in terms

1417
01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:02,000
of the guys he'd beating. This fight went to a

1418
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:06,400
purspit and the Mirage won. The purspit at the time

1419
01:03:06,800 --> 01:03:10,079
an all time record for a perspid thirty two point

1420
01:03:10,159 --> 01:03:13,360
one million dollars. Steve Wynn had opened up the Mirage,

1421
01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:16,360
and you know, it was a beautiful, new gleaming hotel

1422
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:19,239
on the strip right next to what later became Mandala Bay.

1423
01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:23,480
Basically anyway, humongous fight. He got killed on it financially

1424
01:03:23,559 --> 01:03:26,440
in the end. But the fight did happen. As you mentioned.

1425
01:03:26,440 --> 01:03:30,159
October twenty fifth, nineteen ninety, I was in college. I

1426
01:03:30,199 --> 01:03:33,639
remember going to like a house party off campus, and

1427
01:03:33,840 --> 01:03:35,039
I was still living in the dorms.

1428
01:03:35,039 --> 01:03:37,119
Speaker 3: I was like, maybe I'm in I'm in college too,

1429
01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:40,639
and I will shout out my friend. My friend in Memphis,

1430
01:03:40,719 --> 01:03:44,400
Ray Glidewell, he had a pay perview box. We talk

1431
01:03:44,440 --> 01:03:46,679
about this all the time. He had a pay per

1432
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:49,639
view box in the primitive days of pay perview in

1433
01:03:49,639 --> 01:03:53,039
October of nineteen ninety. So we went to his house

1434
01:03:53,159 --> 01:03:55,519
and split the money about four of us.

1435
01:03:55,880 --> 01:03:57,360
Speaker 1: And by the way, how much does the pay review

1436
01:03:57,400 --> 01:03:58,800
of like nineteen ninety nine or something.

1437
01:03:58,840 --> 01:04:01,119
Speaker 3: Well, I can't remember if it was more than like

1438
01:04:01,199 --> 01:04:03,599
twenty nine to ninety five. Again, these are nineteen ninety

1439
01:04:03,599 --> 01:04:06,920
prices for everything. And I want to say, was it

1440
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:09,000
not It was not like a Saturday night. I want

1441
01:04:09,039 --> 01:04:10,760
to say it was like a weeknight, because they would

1442
01:04:10,760 --> 01:04:10,960
do that.

1443
01:04:11,159 --> 01:04:13,480
Speaker 1: It was definitely not a weeknight. I don't mean I can't.

1444
01:04:13,519 --> 01:04:15,840
Speaker 3: We'll double check, We'll double check. But I still remember

1445
01:04:15,880 --> 01:04:18,119
being at his place. And here's the thing I remember.

1446
01:04:18,360 --> 01:04:20,599
He had like an entertainment room. He had a pool too.

1447
01:04:20,760 --> 01:04:22,519
Speaker 1: You know what it was. It was a Thursday.

1448
01:04:22,599 --> 01:04:24,360
Speaker 3: It was a Thursday night. And I've mean.

1449
01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:30,880
Speaker 1: Let's just take recently we heard about Tiasimo Lopez bitching

1450
01:04:30,880 --> 01:04:34,000
and moaning like a baby. I don't want to fight

1451
01:04:34,039 --> 01:04:36,000
on that card that Top Ranks offered me that slot

1452
01:04:36,039 --> 01:04:38,920
because it's a Friday night. I'm a Saturday night fighter.

1453
01:04:39,280 --> 01:04:41,840
Right by the way, the undisputed heavyweight Championship of the

1454
01:04:41,840 --> 01:04:44,880
World was contested in this particular fight on a Thursday.

1455
01:04:44,639 --> 01:04:46,280
Speaker 3: On a Thursday night, on a Thursday. But what I

1456
01:04:46,320 --> 01:04:48,360
remember is I'm at Ray's house with my friends from

1457
01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:52,159
Memphis and we're shooting pool and we're watching the pay

1458
01:04:52,159 --> 01:04:55,679
per view undercard and we're having some food or whatever.

1459
01:04:56,159 --> 01:04:58,440
And I kid you not, after the boom goes the

1460
01:04:58,519 --> 01:05:01,440
dynamite moment, we went right back to like shooting pool

1461
01:05:01,440 --> 01:05:04,880
and having competition, having fun. That's what I remember, because

1462
01:05:04,920 --> 01:05:08,119
it was just such a non event that Holyfield. Lady

1463
01:05:08,239 --> 01:05:10,800
ma out And I know you've told the story, especially

1464
01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:12,880
at the way end. I'm teeing you up that at

1465
01:05:12,920 --> 01:05:15,840
the way in everybody suddenly had an indication this ain't

1466
01:05:15,880 --> 01:05:17,440
the Buster Douglas that was in.

1467
01:05:17,480 --> 01:05:20,000
Speaker 1: Sha because the rumors were that that Buster was in

1468
01:05:20,119 --> 01:05:22,880
the sauna ordering a room service. I mean, he was

1469
01:05:22,960 --> 01:05:25,800
in great, great condition for the Tyson fight. He was caught.

1470
01:05:25,880 --> 01:05:28,239
He looked strong and for the fight against holy Field.

1471
01:05:28,280 --> 01:05:31,719
He had partied and lived up his fifteen minutes of

1472
01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:34,320
fame for all those months leading into the holy Field fight,

1473
01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:37,239
and forgot that, besides, you know, taking the bows about

1474
01:05:37,280 --> 01:05:39,599
the big victory over Mike Tyson, that you still had

1475
01:05:39,679 --> 01:05:42,679
a train for a very dangerous, outstanding opponent in Evander Holyfield,

1476
01:05:42,920 --> 01:05:45,480
and he just was massively out of shape mentally, mentally

1477
01:05:45,599 --> 01:05:48,000
and physically. He looked like a you know, was a

1478
01:05:48,519 --> 01:05:50,559
I forget who called him like looked like a beached whale.

1479
01:05:50,880 --> 01:05:54,159
Speaker 3: Yes, and yes, when he got laid out, he.

1480
01:05:54,280 --> 01:05:56,159
Speaker 1: Weighed you know, he was a lot heavier for the Tyson,

1481
01:05:56,320 --> 01:05:58,440
for the for the Evander fight than he was for Tyson.

1482
01:05:58,719 --> 01:06:00,440
But you know, it's one thing to be year, I guess.

1483
01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:02,360
But he didn't look like he'd put it on the right.

1484
01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:02,760
He had.

1485
01:06:03,000 --> 01:06:05,800
Speaker 3: He had the fifteen to twenty pounds spare tire, yeah, exactly,

1486
01:06:05,800 --> 01:06:07,639
and as you've told the story when he got up

1487
01:06:07,679 --> 01:06:09,639
on the scale at the way in go ahead.

1488
01:06:09,599 --> 01:06:12,280
Speaker 1: No, they I've heard. I've When I first started to

1489
01:06:12,320 --> 01:06:14,480
cover boxing, a lot of the guys I worked with

1490
01:06:14,559 --> 01:06:17,480
at ringside were veterans who had covered that fight and

1491
01:06:17,559 --> 01:06:19,840
other you know, fights of that ILK in that time,

1492
01:06:20,159 --> 01:06:21,880
and they talked about like the bee line to the

1493
01:06:21,880 --> 01:06:24,599
sportsbook to go bet on Holyfield when they saw how

1494
01:06:24,679 --> 01:06:27,400
bad that av I mean, how bad that Busser looked

1495
01:06:27,440 --> 01:06:30,079
at the at the weigh and then so in the end,

1496
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:32,920
you know, remember Buster's two hundred and forty six pounds

1497
01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:35,159
for that fight and a sloppy two hundred and forty

1498
01:06:35,159 --> 01:06:38,159
six pounds a vander who you know was best known

1499
01:06:38,239 --> 01:06:41,960
before that as the cruiserweight undefeated champion. He's a svelt

1500
01:06:42,079 --> 01:06:45,199
and chiseled two hundred and eight pounds barely over the

1501
01:06:45,199 --> 01:06:47,880
heavyweight limit. You know, today we'd call him a bridgerweight

1502
01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:50,320
if he was fighting for the wbc A title. In

1503
01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:52,840
any event, he was still an outstanding fighter, and he

1504
01:06:52,920 --> 01:06:54,920
took him apart. I mean, he won the first two

1505
01:06:55,000 --> 01:06:58,599
rounds easily, and then Busterer did the cardinal sin where

1506
01:06:58,639 --> 01:07:00,679
he led with an upper cut. He got counter with

1507
01:07:00,719 --> 01:07:01,960
a massive right hand on the button.

1508
01:07:02,960 --> 01:07:05,400
Speaker 3: He led with an uppercut from like six feet.

1509
01:07:05,199 --> 01:07:07,880
Speaker 1: Away in slow motionless and this it by a mile

1510
01:07:08,119 --> 01:07:10,639
and boom, and Evander just came right over the top

1511
01:07:10,639 --> 01:07:12,159
of it, put him on the canvas and bust her.

1512
01:07:12,280 --> 01:07:14,000
You know, the famous scene of him laying there. I

1513
01:07:14,440 --> 01:07:16,280
think he thought he might be cut or bleeding from

1514
01:07:16,320 --> 01:07:18,440
his nose. He was rubbing his nose with his glove

1515
01:07:18,519 --> 01:07:20,400
and he wasn't alt cold or anything like that, but

1516
01:07:20,440 --> 01:07:22,039
he just never really tried to make the effort to

1517
01:07:22,039 --> 01:07:24,159
get up. And the Vander won the heavy White title.

1518
01:07:24,199 --> 01:07:27,519
And you know for Main Events, which was his promoter, Evander,

1519
01:07:28,039 --> 01:07:29,920
that was a massive moment for them. Now they had

1520
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:34,239
promoted a lot of you know, good fighters and top fighters.

1521
01:07:34,280 --> 01:07:35,880
They were involved with a lot of big time fights.

1522
01:07:36,159 --> 01:07:38,760
They had signed most of the fighters off the Americans,

1523
01:07:38,800 --> 01:07:41,159
off the eighty four Olympic team, including Parnel Whittaker and

1524
01:07:41,239 --> 01:07:44,599
Melder Taylor and obviously Evander Holyfield. But and they had

1525
01:07:44,639 --> 01:07:46,400
success with some of those guys that had won titles

1526
01:07:46,400 --> 01:07:48,199
and were involved with a lot of TV fights. But

1527
01:07:48,320 --> 01:07:51,239
there's something special, on something different about the heavy White titles.

1528
01:07:51,280 --> 01:07:53,159
Have you ever looked back at the celebration in the ring.

1529
01:07:53,719 --> 01:07:56,719
You see obviously Holyfield ceate, but you see the late

1530
01:07:56,840 --> 01:07:59,119
Dan Duva who was the the was the head of

1531
01:07:59,159 --> 01:08:02,039
the company. He's the was the husband of Kathy Duva,

1532
01:08:02,039 --> 01:08:04,199
who now she's his widow. She now runs the company.

1533
01:08:04,519 --> 01:08:07,599
But you see the celebration, the sheer joy that Dan

1534
01:08:07,719 --> 01:08:09,679
Duva had in the ring with the whole team and

1535
01:08:09,800 --> 01:08:11,920
Lou Duva who was his father, who was one of

1536
01:08:11,960 --> 01:08:15,599
Evanders trainers. Uh, just just going absolutely crazy because that's

1537
01:08:15,639 --> 01:08:18,000
a huge moment. Shelley Finkle, the Hall of Fame manager,

1538
01:08:18,119 --> 01:08:21,880
was Evanders manager, also celebrating his first heavyweight champion. I

1539
01:08:21,920 --> 01:08:24,880
mean it was a you know, as they say, it

1540
01:08:24,960 --> 01:08:27,199
was a big fucking deal, and there was a huge deal,

1541
01:08:27,319 --> 01:08:29,800
and that it wasn't against Tyson really didn't matter to

1542
01:08:29,880 --> 01:08:31,720
them at that point because which.

1543
01:08:31,760 --> 01:08:33,960
Speaker 3: Part of that backdrop, and this is where you get

1544
01:08:33,960 --> 01:08:37,319
into the minutia of it. But it's also fascinating was

1545
01:08:37,760 --> 01:08:41,760
they broke the iron rain of Don King over the

1546
01:08:41,880 --> 01:08:46,039
heavyweight division and all the fighters and all the promotional dollars.

1547
01:08:46,279 --> 01:08:49,640
And that's part of what that celebration I'm sure was about.

1548
01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:52,960
Our guys. The champ, and now we're the shot callers.

1549
01:08:53,079 --> 01:08:57,039
We're in charge of what happens next. Because you.

1550
01:08:58,640 --> 01:09:01,359
Speaker 1: Tried to break the contract with him, and by the way.

1551
01:09:01,680 --> 01:09:04,079
Speaker 3: He successfully did break it that summer to be able

1552
01:09:04,119 --> 01:09:05,640
to have the fight, King was suing him and they

1553
01:09:05,680 --> 01:09:09,119
had to come to an agreement. And so King got

1554
01:09:09,159 --> 01:09:12,479
a portion of the money Buster's purse from the fight.

1555
01:09:12,600 --> 01:09:14,600
And you know who else, the former president who's on

1556
01:09:14,680 --> 01:09:16,960
the ballot, Donald Trump, he got a portion of the

1557
01:09:17,039 --> 01:09:20,520
money because he was supposed to promote the Tyson rematch,

1558
01:09:20,560 --> 01:09:23,319
which it turns out never happened with Buster Douglass.

1559
01:09:23,359 --> 01:09:25,000
Speaker 1: How about that I mentioned to you about the fact

1560
01:09:25,039 --> 01:09:27,319
that the Mirage, because you know, had won the purse

1561
01:09:27,399 --> 01:09:30,760
bit for like thirty two million in change. The second

1562
01:09:30,840 --> 01:09:34,079
place bidder was in fact Main Events, which was Buster's promoter,

1563
01:09:34,760 --> 01:09:37,199
and they'd been over twenty nine million dollars on the fight.

1564
01:09:37,199 --> 01:09:40,199
Speaker 3: That these are these are nineteen ninety dollars, So you

1565
01:09:40,319 --> 01:09:42,840
easily Douglas all that money in president.

1566
01:09:42,640 --> 01:09:45,279
Speaker 1: He made over twenty four million dollars in that fight.

1567
01:09:45,359 --> 01:09:48,680
So when he got knocked out, like he was set

1568
01:09:48,720 --> 01:09:51,439
for life basically with the twenty four million dollar winfall.

1569
01:09:51,720 --> 01:09:52,920
You know, as long as he didn't like live like

1570
01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:57,079
a moron. And but the fight did not do very

1571
01:09:57,119 --> 01:09:59,079
well in terms of what you know, for showtime. It

1572
01:09:59,159 --> 01:10:01,520
did like a millionaire on pay per view, but it

1573
01:10:01,640 --> 01:10:03,920
did not you know. And by the way, back then,

1574
01:10:04,039 --> 01:10:05,720
this fight, I want to say it was thirty five

1575
01:10:05,760 --> 01:10:08,199
bucks on pay per view. It was one of those

1576
01:10:08,239 --> 01:10:11,199
deals where it was a huge fight, but I guess

1577
01:10:11,279 --> 01:10:13,680
it wasn't as exciting to the public. Even though Busser

1578
01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:16,359
was like a you know, I had become like a

1579
01:10:16,520 --> 01:10:19,800
cult figure because of the victory. The matchup with holy

1580
01:10:19,840 --> 01:10:22,319
Field wasn't nearly a sexy as buster in the Tyson

1581
01:10:22,399 --> 01:10:25,920
rematch or holy Field against Tyson, And that was the

1582
01:10:26,199 --> 01:10:26,960
least of them was.

1583
01:10:27,520 --> 01:10:30,439
Speaker 3: That was six years later. We never got obviously Douglas

1584
01:10:30,560 --> 01:10:33,079
Tyson the rematch much less for the circumstances.

1585
01:10:33,119 --> 01:10:35,720
Speaker 1: And by the way, Douglas Reduglas retired after that, he didn't,

1586
01:10:35,720 --> 01:10:37,439
I mean, and then he came out of retirement. But

1587
01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:40,319
after they lost to Douglas, you know, Busser was sort

1588
01:10:40,359 --> 01:10:41,880
of like fell off the face of the earth. That

1589
01:10:42,039 --> 01:10:45,279
was in nineteen ninety He comes back now in nineteen

1590
01:10:45,399 --> 01:10:48,039
ninety six and has a handful of fights, you know,

1591
01:10:48,359 --> 01:10:50,399
to end his career. But you know, for six years

1592
01:10:50,439 --> 01:10:52,439
he was like six plus years, he's off the well.

1593
01:10:52,560 --> 01:10:56,800
Speaker 3: Remember the infamous Sports Illustrated article if you remember it

1594
01:10:56,920 --> 01:10:59,239
with him on the front page sitting on a mopad

1595
01:10:59,319 --> 01:11:02,479
and he looked like he was literally almost four hundred pounds. Yeah,

1596
01:11:02,520 --> 01:11:05,439
he was in health problems. It was horrible. Got back

1597
01:11:05,479 --> 01:11:08,000
into shape because of boxing. And let's say this, he

1598
01:11:08,119 --> 01:11:11,800
has continued to work with young fighters Boys and Girls

1599
01:11:11,880 --> 01:11:14,640
Club in Columbus, Ohio. I saw a new story about

1600
01:11:14,680 --> 01:11:17,800
this even like a year ago that he is still there,

1601
01:11:17,880 --> 01:11:20,479
still working with young fighters, giving of his time, giving

1602
01:11:20,800 --> 01:11:24,000
of money to the Boys and Girls Club of Columbus, Ohio.

1603
01:11:24,119 --> 01:11:27,159
So good on Buster Douglass in retirement.

1604
01:11:27,880 --> 01:11:30,600
Speaker 1: I never covered Buster's career when he was an active fighter.

1605
01:11:30,920 --> 01:11:33,359
I have had the occasion to meet Buster Douglas one

1606
01:11:33,439 --> 01:11:38,760
time before the first fight between Tyson Fury and Deontay

1607
01:11:38,760 --> 01:11:42,359
Wilder in Los Angeles showtime, and the promoters brought together

1608
01:11:42,840 --> 01:11:45,720
a whole bunch of past heavyweight greats and they had

1609
01:11:45,800 --> 01:11:48,680
like a like a they did like a roundtable and

1610
01:11:49,000 --> 01:11:51,079
people could ask questions. They helped promote the fight. Jim

1611
01:11:51,159 --> 01:11:53,199
Gray was like I think it was. Jim Gray was

1612
01:11:53,279 --> 01:11:55,560
partly one of the moderators that was and Buster was

1613
01:11:55,600 --> 01:11:57,479
there as one of the heavyweights that they invited. It

1614
01:11:57,600 --> 01:11:59,880
was also around the same time that he was helping

1615
01:12:00,039 --> 01:12:03,039
to mark and promote the documentary that ESPN had done

1616
01:12:03,199 --> 01:12:05,359
forty two to one, which was about his right obviously,

1617
01:12:05,680 --> 01:12:07,840
you know, gigantic ups it against Tyson. So I got

1618
01:12:07,920 --> 01:12:10,520
a chance to talk to Busser and meet him at

1619
01:12:10,600 --> 01:12:12,680
that event, you know, for a few minutes. Couldn't have

1620
01:12:12,720 --> 01:12:16,000
been more pleasant and nice. Understands. I mean, it took

1621
01:12:16,079 --> 01:12:18,720
him a while, I guess, to accept it, but that

1622
01:12:19,000 --> 01:12:21,960
he will be remembered as a one hit wonder, but

1623
01:12:22,119 --> 01:12:24,960
maybe the greatest one hit of all time in boxing history.

1624
01:12:25,279 --> 01:12:28,119
To be the like he some people would look back

1625
01:12:28,159 --> 01:12:30,119
and say, like, you know, I'm only remember for this

1626
01:12:30,279 --> 01:12:32,600
one thing, and it would be kind of disappointed and

1627
01:12:32,640 --> 01:12:35,239
depressed about it because it's just a fleeting moment in time.

1628
01:12:35,600 --> 01:12:37,520
But he understands and accepts that. And you know, he

1629
01:12:37,600 --> 01:12:39,800
was talking about like there's not a day that goes

1630
01:12:39,920 --> 01:12:43,439
by in his entire life since that day when he

1631
01:12:43,520 --> 01:12:46,239
toppled Mike Tyson. That does not come up in conversation,

1632
01:12:46,319 --> 01:12:48,600
and as he joked, as he joked with me, he

1633
01:12:48,720 --> 01:12:51,039
goes it comes up a lot more than my loss

1634
01:12:51,039 --> 01:12:52,000
to a Vander Holyfield.

1635
01:12:52,079 --> 01:12:54,399
Speaker 3: Well true, a lot of people don't even remember that

1636
01:12:54,560 --> 01:12:56,840
thirty four years later, but they obviously for all time

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are remembering the upset of Tyson and the magnitude of

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that great point, great nostalgia. Listen, it has been a

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full show. We will reconvene another mention here for the

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bet Us boxing show Friday at one Eastern time. Adjust

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your time zone according.

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Speaker 1: They forgot the most important thing, which is my son's

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Halloween costume.

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Speaker 3: Well, are you revealing it now or do you the audience?

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It is settled. It's definite because remember he's a youngster,

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he can make the last second switch. What's the update.

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Speaker 1: Here's the reason why I know that it's settled because

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my wife has gone ahead and purchased a couple of

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small things that will assist the costume from from Amazon.

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So once mom buys stuff, ain't no going back. He

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understands that.

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Speaker 3: Young Wayfield's Halloween costume shall.

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Speaker 1: Be Doctor Seuss's the Lorax.

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Speaker 3: Oh the lore as I like the Lorx, so we got.

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Speaker 1: Like the the big fluffy like the yellow mustache, right,

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and we got the orange shirt. And I actually should

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have said to my wife, I'm gonna hit teach you up.

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Maybe he can send us some RN shit from the Buccaneers.

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Speaker 3: But we need to we need to Streamsicle weekend for

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the Buccaneers.

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Speaker 1: I didn't really know the but I've been, I've been.

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It's been explained to me.

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Speaker 3: So now I was always preferential to the cat and

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the hat. In fact, while we totally digress, I have

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frequently gone into my wife's elementary school classroom on Doctor

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Seuss's birthday in March in the Cat and the Hat

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hat and read the Cat and the Hat to the class.

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Bravo to young Rayfield for being the lorax from Doctor

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Seuss and the children's books for Halloween. We've covered it all.

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Bet Us Boxing Show one Eastern Time. Will be back

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to uh make some handicapping predictions on Jack Catterall, Regis

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pro Gray fun full podcast that you heard from Oshaki

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Foster on with us here his fight again next weekend

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November two in the rematch with ponse Soal uh love it.

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Dan Rayfield, We'll see you on the bet Us Show

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full recap podcast Off the Weekend with whatever happens in

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Catterall and pro Gray. Thank you, my friend there is

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Dan Rayfield. I'm merely TJ Reeves follower. Subscribe to this feed, Apple, Spreaker, Spotify.

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For now, we're good on the Big Fight weekend preview